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[ Visiting the iniquity of the Fathers upon the children , ( and upon the childrens children ) unto the third and fourth Generation of them that hate me . ] LONDON , Printed for Robert Gibbs , at the Golden-Ball in Chancery-Lane , 1675. To the Impartial Friends of Sacred Truth , who are above the dominion of carnal Interest , Faction and false Prejudice , and are cured of the Malady of PREFIDENCE and HASTY JVDGING before they have heard and weighed evidence , which is the corrupter , confounder , and disquieter of the Church and World. Sect. 1. IT hath seemed good to a Doctor of the Vniversity of Oxford , Dr. I. Tully , whose name is honoured for Learning and Moderation , ( I believe deservedly , though I know him not , ) newly to exercise his zeal , and pen , to save men from the danger of some Doctrines which he taketh to be mine . Of the rest I shall , God willing , give a distinct account elsewhere : That which I am here to consider of , is found , pag. 128. Justif . Paulin. in these words , [ Vnum vero praetereundum non censeo , licet ab argumento magis alienum videtur , estque novum quoddam inter novissima : Praefatorem scilicet ( nescio quo fortunante Mercurio ) aliud invenisse peccatum originale , multo citerius quam quod ab Adamo traductum est : O caecos ante Theologos , quicunque unquam fuistis ! Serio interim monendi sunt juniores , ne temere illius Theologiae talia paradoxa parturienti fidem habeant . Deus novit me nullo in personam Viri Rever . aut aestu , aut praejudicio , nedum odio ( cui ex animo sane fausta & foelicia precor omnia ) hoc monitum injicere ; sed amore veritatis uno , utque satis conscientiae fiat , ita liberasse animam . ] Whereupon he next advertiseth me out of some words of my own , &c. Sect. 2. I have great reason to love his love to truth , and the souls of men whom he would save from the danger of such errors as he supposeth me to be guilty of . And I have no reason to dislike his fidelity to his conscience : but rather to wish that true conscientious tenderness and fidelity were more common among the Teachers of the people , and the Teachers of those Teachers . Sect. 3. And far be it from me to judge him so uncharitable as to doubt whether we his ignorant brethren love not truth also , and the fouls of men , and search not after it with some impartiality and industry ; yea , and would buy it at as dear a rate as others , though through our sin and weakness we may not have had so good success . And it is a praise to our Creator rather than to us , that we love that which by natural inclination we must needs love : Being and Truth are necessarily good ; and all evil is from good , and for good . Our good intentions justify not our errors , nor the reasonings and considence by which we set them off as truth . And by our bold and hasty judging of those things which our reasonings shew we never well digested or understood , and our censures of those that perhaps better understand them , we should but call men to suspect those understandings , as not very like to know much more than others , which no better know themselves . Instead therefore of calling out to the Academical youth to take heed of the Theology of those worthy eximious persons who are my Censurers , I humbly entreat them , with candid impartiality , to search after truth , and to receive all that deserveth that name from the Censurers , and to reject all that I or any other offereth them which is against it ; and proving all things , to hold fast that which is true and good : yea , and to help me to see my errors , that I may repent , and publish my retractation . Which I shall not judge ( any more than Augustine did ) to be in vain , though it should please others , as well as this learned Dr. to cull out for his coufutation the first Book that ever I wrote , about four and twenty years after I had publickly ( for the crudity and unfitness of many expressions in it ) retracted it , and to pass by about sixty others , since written ; and some , yea many , much more largely and distinctly than that which I retracted , on the same subject . Sect. 4. But though I am more obliged than such knowing men as he , to suspect my own understanding , that suspition will not warrant me to resist the light , nor to reject that which seemeth to me to be evidence of truth , nor to forbear the rendering a reason of my judgment , that I may be better informed by a confutation if I erre , or if I do not , may not desert that which deserveth a just vindication . And though I am one of those who never was worthy of his honourable employment , to teach men to be Teachers of the Flocks of Christ , and these fourteen years have been judged unworthy or unmeet to teach the most ignorant Congregation in these Lands ; yet I doubt not but I may have his leave and concurrence in bewailing the lamentable condition of the poor people , by reason of such ignorant and unhappy Teachers , as I and others of my rank have long been ! Alas , how great is their temptation ! and what perplexities must they needs be cast into ! when we that have studied night and day with our most earnest desire to know the truth whatever it cost us , and with our most searching , serious thoughts , and with our daily prayers for divine illumination , do yet remain not only ignorant , but so dangerously erroneous , that if some did not silence us , and others call out to the people to take heed of us , it seems we were like to be their deceivers , and to do them more hurt than good ! And if this were but I , and a few more such , or only the many hundreds that now are silenced , the case were less lamentable : But , alas , it is the case of almost all the Christian World , for the people to be cast by their Teachers weaknesses into such distracting perplexities as these ! The Greeks call to their people to take heed of the Romans ; and the Romans to theirs to take heed of the Greeks : As also to take heed of the Protestants , and all ( as Hereticks or Schismaticks ) that are not the subjects of the King of Rome : And the Protestants requite them . The Lutherans say , take heed of the Calvinists ; and the Calvinists say , take heed of the Lutherans and Arminians . The Conformist saith , take heed of the Non-Conformist ; and some Non-Conformists say , take heed of the Conformists : till the poor people know not when they are safe , but are tempted to live as we did in the great Plague in 1665 , when each one fled from the face of others , lest every man that approached them should infect them . Whom to fear they know , but whom to trust they know not : unless they must be of the side and Religion which is uppermost , and think their Rulers always in the right ; and so that there are as many right Religions in the World , as there are Rulers of different Religions . And what now shall the poor people do ? Can they hope to be wiser than all these Teachers , to discern which of them is in the right ? What is their remedy ? Sect. 5. In this streight I am ready ( yea resolved ) so far to abate my reverence to learned Contenders , as to hope that we are more agreed than they seem willing that the people should believe , ( and therefore than they understand themselves . ) All true Christians are agreed in that which made a Christian when the name of Christians was first known : and in that which was then thought necessary to their mutual love and communion . They are united in those many necessary things , which I long ago mentioned in a popular discourse called Catholick Vnity : And Protestants are agreed in much more than absolutely necessary things . And as it is not the part of a good man to set the Churches together by the ears , and to make people believe that they differ where they do not , or further than they do ; and thereby to tempt them to suspect , censure , reproach , or hate each other : so it is not the part of a wise Teacher to think himself , that agreeing men are not agreed ; and that different terms , or orders of expression , make different or contrary Doctrines or Religions : and to be skilful in making one difference to seem many , and verbal ones to seem real , and small ones to seem great , instead of being skilful , by discussing ambiguity of words , in helping men better to understand one another . And for my part , I have so much experience of the commonness of the mistake , both of the matter , and of each others minds , by reason of the lamentable ambiguity of words , and the common weakness of mankind in the ordering , digesting , and expressing their conceptions , and also in the reception of other mens expressions , that I am resolved to be still suspitious of ambiguities , and not to be easily and negligently deceived by a word unexplained , though men of never so great name or self-esteem should deride me for it , as a troublesome distinguisher : And I am resolved to endeavour , to the utmost of my little skill and opportunity , to undeceive them that think a different name , or method , is a different or contrary Doctrine ; and that all are Hereticks that speak not in their language , and sing not in their tune , or pray not in their form of words , though for so doing the over-orthodox zeal do accuse me of tepidity , noxious Syncretism , Arminianism , yea , or of as much complyance with Popery , or Socinians , as this excellent Doctor doth . Sect. 6. Though I know that Heresy may ( as Arianism once did ) creep in , and hide it self in the addition of one letter ; yet I know also , that the confusion of tongues hath made it hard to express our selves so as easily to be understood , unless by such with whom we have had long leisure to open our meaning , and hard to understand the mind of others : And that they who agree in all that Christ , his Apostles , and the ancient Symbols of Faith and Concord made necessary to the agreement of Believers , should not too hastily be condemned as heretical ; and that Church-tyranny and Schism , while they cry out against each other , are neerer kin in principles and effects than their owners are well aware of : And that over-doing as for orthodox Concord , by introducing things arbitrary , difficult and numerous as the necessary terms , hath been Satan's great engine to tear the Churches : And had I been at Jerome's elbow when he complained so much of them that accused him of Heresy , for rejecting the term [ Hypostasis , ] and when he spake himself so much against it , I might perhaps have ventured to say to that learned angry Father , that it is possible that neither his adversaries nor he were Hereticks , nor erroneous in the matter or sense at all ; but that they meant by [ Hypostasis , ] the same that he did by [ Persona ; ] and that he mistakingly accused an innocent word , and they mistakingly accused his innocent sense ; and that the time might come , when those that then contended were in the dust , that the Churches should indifferently , without mutual condemnation , use either of the terms . Sect. 7. Melancholy is a suspicious humour : Many a one have I known that could not be perswaded , but that their best and neerest friends did plot their death , or to poison them , or cut their throats ; and every thing and person that is neer them , seemeth against them , and a cause of fear : As a good woman ( yet living , ) caetera sana , dare let none come neer her till the spiders be brusht ▪ off them , which she thinks she seeth on them , having once been affrighted by a spider . And , some otherwise worthy men , do so causelesly and frequently cry out , This is Popery , and That is Arminianism , as if they were perswading the World that the contumelious saying is true , Spiritus Calvinianus est spiritus melancholicus , and that orthodox mens hearts must meditate terror , and fear where no fear is , and their charity must suspect all things , and hardly believe or hope of any good in others . And we have not been ( yea , yet are not ) without some Sectaries , carried so swiftly in the the stream of prejudice , that before they can stay to weigh and understand it , they cry out , O Antichristian , Popish , Arminian , of many an unquestionable truth of God ; as if they were perswading men that the prophane reproach is true , that A Puritan is a Protestant frightened out of his wits . Sect. 8. But to come to my present business ; This worthy Dr. and Mr. Danvers , the fervent defender of the Anabaptists , having both newly published their suspicions and accusations of me , for my doctrine of Original sin , and both called aloud to the World to take heed of me , I take my self obliged to give them both some account of the reasons of what I hold , and humbly to leave them to their leisurely judicious censure . And because God calleth me , by the messengers of death , to other kind of thoughts and works , than needless , tedious , ungrateful contending for my own vindication against the suspicions and words of others , I must take it as a sufficient discharge of this duty , to publish an old Country disputation on that subject , used above twenty years ago in one of our ( by some derided ) meetings of those humble , peaceable , laborious , godly Ministers neer Kederminster in Worcestershire , ( who have most of them been silenced these fourteen years . ) And though I am much to be blamed , if my maturer thoughts since then , have not helped me to clearer conceptions than I had so long ago : yet finding by a hasty perusal , that I am still of the same mind as then I was , I must crave the Readers acceptance of it as it is , from one that hath not time to amend it : And I thought it not amiss to add to it another Disputation ( then used ) of original Sin as derived from Adam ; and only to assist the Reader 's understanding of them by these following notes : ( entreating his pardon if he meet with some things repeated in one which were in the other , seeing this twenty years silence may inform him that they were not intended to speak out to the world , though this extortion now will justifie their publication ) . Sect. 9. I. I do hold that the State of an Infant as a meer Child of Adam , is not the worst that an Infant is capable of on earth : And that nature in such is not in the utmost degree of its depravation . Custom in actual Sin may make it worse in the adult ; ( for they are not so bad as those in hell ) : And Parents Sins may make it worse in some Infants , than otherwise it would be . Sect. 10. II. Therefore I hold with Wickliffe ( Trialog . li. 4. c. 11 , 12. ) which I cited to Mr. Danvers , that Original Sin is not equal in all as he inferreth from his assertion , that the penalty is not equal . Sect. 11. III. I do hold , that ( besides all said in the following disputation to prove the thing asserted ) the true Nature and Tenor of the Law of Grace , and the terms of Life and Death determined by it , will fully prove it . Sect. 12. IV. And I may well here suppose that it is a Law of Grace that is now Norma officii & Judicii to all the world : which obligeth them as Subjects , and by which they be judged . For , 1. Were it not a Digression , I would prove that no man is under the meer Covenant or Law of Innocency ( which commandeth Innocency as the condition of life ) ; it being now naturally impossible to the guilty . 2. And that the World is not under the Jewish Law of Moses as such . 3. And that those are not under the Gospel or Law of Grace in the last Edition ( by Christ incarnate ) who never had it , nor could have . 4. And that the World is not outlawed , or out of the relation of subjects to God. 5. Nor yet are they as the damned , under a meer remediless sentence ; but are under an obligation to receive and improve mercies , and use some means which tend to their recovery , ( as such ) . 6. And therefore that all that never had or can have the Law of Grace in the last edition , are under the first edition of it , which was given to fallen mankind in Adam first , and afterward in Noah ; ( saving that since the Messiah is come , none are bound to believe in him as yet to be incarnate , as if he were not come . ) But they are under the remaining part of the Law of Grace ; the tenor of which is plainly enough expressed in God's proclaimed name , Exod. 34. 5 , 6 , 7. and in many other places of the Scripture . 7. For we were ( and therefore are accordingly accounted ) as truly in Adam when the Law of Grace ( or Promise ) was made to him , as when the Law of Innocency was given him . 8. And that Law is never since repealed , or nullified , ( saving by a more perfect edition to them that have the Gospel . ) 9. And Christ that came not to destroy or condemn the World , but to save them , came not to bring most of the World ( without their fault ) into a worse condition than he found them in ; yea , so much worse , as to nullifie the universal Law of Grace which was before in force , and to leave them remediless , as the devils and damned are . Sect. 13. V. All things being delivered now into the hands of Christ , and all power given him in Heaven and Earth ; and all men being his subjects as to obligation , though not as to consent ; and all being under the Law of Grace , ( of the first or second edition ) ( as made as truly with all mankind , as the Law or Covenant of Innocency was , ) as that by which they must live , and be judged ; and so Nature it self now being redeemed Nature , ( and neither innocent , lawless , nor utterly desperate , ) accordingly all the World of sinners hath some sort and degree of Grace ( or mercy contrary to merit ) from and by the Redeemer : which Grace or Mercy in the natural tendency and usefulness of it , is apt to diminish and restrain their natural pravity ; and doth make them better by preparing them for saving regeneration , usually before they are so regenerated , ( if adult : ) And both adult and infants are capable of a commoner sort of Grace , who have not special saving Grace . Besides , that even infants may have true saving Grace it self . Sect. 14. VI. And as thus it is evident , that even infants are not all in one state or degree of pravity , but may some be worse , and some better ; so it is evident that now under a Law of Grace , not to be better than Adam maketh them , much more to become worse , ( which may be , and oft is , ) is not a meer penalty or fruit of the violated Law of Innocency , but a privation of that Grace which they were capable of by Christ , and so may be a penalty of the Law of Grace . Now the World hath a Physitian , not to be healed is a privation of Grace , and not a meer negation only : For an infant now not to be regenerate , justified , saved , is not only a negation of that which he never had any hopes or possibility of , as it is to the damned : but it is a privation of that which he was made capable of by Christ ; yea , which was conditionally given by a sealed Law of Grace to all mankind . And this privation is not causeless on his part : God doth not deprive infants of this mercy only as they are the seed of Adam ; for then all the seed of Adam should be so deprived of it . And to cast all upon meer secret election and reprobation , as if infants were no subjects under Law , as the rule of their right , I have in a Treatise now in the Press , proved to be the inlet of Anabaptistry , and an opinion in which we ought not to symbolize with the Anabaptists . Sect. 15. VII . It followeth therefore , that as God dealt with Adam and his seed under the Law or Covenant of Innocency , and we have our guilt of violating that Law from him , as being in his loins : so God joyneth children with their Parents ( variatis variandis ) under the Covenant of Grace , and we are in infancy de jure the better or worse for what our Parents were , are , or did . And that not to be healed , not to be justified and saved , is not now to infants a penalty of Adam's sin alone , but of those Parents ( or pro-Parents ) in whom the Law of Grace doth judge the infant to have been , or done , or not done what was necessary . Sect. 16. VIII . But no one was the universal Head and Father of all mankind but Adam , ( as none is the universal Head of the regenerate , but Christ the second , Adam . ) He was the first sinful man ; in him all mankind sinned : And so he was the original cause , and our participation of his guilt is our original sin in a double sense , 1. As he was the original of all mens sin ; 2. and as we are guilty of it from the original of our being . But of Parents sin , not all the world is guilty , but their own posterity ; and that not as the first , but as a secondary or neerer cause . Sect. 17. IX . That God hath made many promises to the seed of the faithful above all others , is notorious in Scripture ; in the case of the blessed seed , and sons of God before the flood , and in the case of Sem , Japhet , Abraham , Isaac , Jacob , and so on to the end : But were there no more than the second Commandment , and Exod. 34. 6 , 7 , 8. it would be justly past controversy . And I have largely proved it to Mr. Tombs , in two Books ; my Plain Scripture-proof , and my More proof of infants Church-membership . Sect. 18. X. The Apostle expresly saying , else were your children unclean , but now are they holy ; and this very supposition being the reason of our baptizing the children of some persons , but not of all the World , doth yet more exclude all reasonable do ubt , with those that are for Infants Baptism . Sect. 19. XI . As to be baptized , and taken into the Church , is not the right of any infant meerly as a child of Adam redeemed , ( for then we could make no difference , ) nor meerly as they are elect , ( for that we know not ; ) but as they are children of Believers dedicating them to God , ( which is the condition of their right : ) so not to have right to Baptism and its benefits , is not the meer fruit of Adam's sin , but of the Parents privative not-believing , and not-dedicating them to God ; ( the controversies about pro-Parents is not pertinent to our business , and need not stop us . ) Here therefore is notorious a grand penalty of Parents sin on children ; ( for a penal privation it is . ) Sect. 20. XII . The true natural interest of Parents in their children now , is as certain as Adam's in his off-spring : We have our being as truly from them as from him , and were as truly naturally in them as in him . Sect. 21. XIII . The promises to the children of Believers are more numerous , and plain in Scripture , than the promises to Adam's seed , if he had stood . Sect. 22. XIV . The penal comminations against the seed of the wicked are so numerous and notorious in Scripture , that it is a thousand pities that any Minister should not acknowledge them , and the effects . Even from Cain to Cham , and the children of all the old World , and of Sodom , and so to the end : And if there were no Texts to prove it but the two before-mentioned , the second Commandment , and Exod. 34. with Matth. 23. It 's sad that any Christian should deny it . Sect. 23. XV. It is notorious in Scripture also , as to the execution , that God hath punished the children not only for Adam's , but for the neerer Parents sins : Which is true of all those drowned in the deluge , ( as the assigned cause sheweth ; ) and of the seed of Cham , and the Sodomites , and the infants of the Amalekites , and all the Nations destroyed by the command of God ; of Ishmael , Esau , the Egyptians , Achan , Gebezi , and abundance more named after in this Dispute , and recorded throughout the Scripture ; and the Jews were not ignorant of it , when they said , His blood be on us and our children : nor the Disciples , when they said , Did this man sin , or his Parents , that he was born blind ? Job . 9. The matter of fact is past all doubt , and therefore the right . Sect. 24. XVI . It is daily notorious among us , that the children of some wicked persons , ( Adulterers , Drunkards , Gluttons , idle persons , &c. ) have their bodily temper vitiated by propagation from their Parents , by reason that the Parents had first by sin corrupted their own nature : some have the pox , some ideots , some decrepit , some otherwise diseased , &c. And to say that this is no punishment to the children , or that it is only for Adam's sin , is that which I will not do , whatever any other may . Sect. 24. XVII . And it is certain that the minds of some such persons children are extraordinarily depraved : some have natures extraordinarily lustful , some furious , some sensless and inconsiderate , some slothful , some false , versatile and untrusty , some mutable and unconstant ; some have appetites hardly to be restrained , &c. Yea , and all the foresaid diseases of the body , much tend to the evil of the soul . And is all this no punishment ? or of none but Adam's sin ? Sect. 26. XVIII . It is notorious that outward calamities in their estates , and other accidents , befall children for the Parents sins : The sacrilegious , perjured , murderers , and despisers of Parents seldom have a progeny that is not notably plagued for their sin . And Divines should not teach Atheists to deny such judgments of God. Sect. 27. XIX . He that saith that children have no guilt of the sins of any Parents since Adam , doth by consequence say that God neither ever did , or will do , or justly can punish any child in the least degree , positively or privatively , for any such Parents sin : But he that dare so say , is bolder and blinder than I would have any wise and holy Teachers of Christ's Flocks to be . Sect. 28. XX. Holy men in Scripture were used in their sufferings to confess and lament the sins of their fore-fathers as the cause ; as I have after cited out of the Psalms , Ezra , Nehem. Daniel , &c. Sect. 29. By this , and what followeth , I have rendred to the Reader a true account and reason of my ( supposed dangerous ) opinion . But nothing maketh me more wonder at my learned and worthy accuser , than his , O caecos ante Theologos , quicunque unquam fuistis ! I had almost said , It is more modest for me to say , that my unacquaintedness with Grammar maketh me ( here ) not understand him , than to suspect that so Learned an Academical Doctor , among so many Learned men and Libraries , can possibly mean as his words seem to import . But modesty must not blind us : And yet I am loth here to be tempted to waste so much of my little time to the wearying of my self and the Reader , as the recital of the words of so many Divines , as concurr with me in this opinion , would require : but a taste may serve to cure his admiration , and , vindicate Divines from his reproach . Sect. 30. 1. Tertullian saith , ( advers . Marcion . li. 2. c. 15. p. 467. c. 1. ) 1. Justitiam ergo primo judicis despice , cujus si ratio constiterit , tunc & severitas , & per quae severitas decurrit , rationi & justitiae reputabuntur . Ac ne pluribus immoremur , asserite causas , caeteras quoque ut sententias condemnetis : excusate delicta , ut judicia reprobetis . Nolite reprehendere judicem , sed revincite malum judicem : nam etsi patrum delicta ex filiis exigebat , duritia populi talia remedia compulerat , ut vel posteritatibus suis prospicientes , legi divinae obedirent . Quis enim non magis filiorum salutem , quam suam curet ? Sed & si benedictio patrum semini quoque eorum destinabatur , sine ullo adhuc merito ejus , cur non & reatus patrum in filios quoque redundaret ? Sicut gratia ita & offensa ; ut per totum genus & gratia decurreret , salvo eo quod postea decerni habebat , non dicturos acidam uvam patres manducasse , & filiorum dentes obstupuisse , id est , non sampturum patrem delictum filii , nec filium delictum patris , sed unumquemque delicti sui reum futurum ; ut post duritiam populi , duritia legis edomita , justitia jam non genus , sed persnas judicaret . Quanquam si evangelium veritatis accipias , ad quos pertineat sententia reddentis in filios patrum delicta , cognosces : ad illos scilicet , qui hano ultro sibi sententiam fuerant irrogaturi , Sanguis illius super capita nostra & filiorum nostrorum . Hoc itaque omnis providentia Dei censuit , quod jam audierat . Bona igitur & severitas quia justa , si bonus judex , id est , justus . Item caetera bona , per quae opus bonum currit bonae severitatis , sive ira , sive aemulatio , sive saevita . Debita enim omnia haec sunt severitati , sicut severitas debitum est justitiae . Vindicanda erit procacitas aetatis verecundiam debentis : atque ita non poterunt judici exprobrari quae judici accidunt , carentia & ipsa culpa , sicut & judex . Sect. 31. II. Cyprian de Lapsis , p. 279. Ac nequid deesset ad criminis cumulum , infantes quoque parentum manibus vel impositi vel attracti , amiserunt parvuli quod in primo statim nativitatis exordio fuerant consecuti . Nonne illi cum judicii dies venerit , dicent ; Nos nihil fecimus , nec derelicto cibo & poculo Domini ad profana contagia sponte properavimus ; perdidit nos aliena perfidia ; parentes sensimus patricidas : Illi nobis ecclesiam matrem , illi patrem Deum negaverunt , ut dum parvi & improvidi , & tanti facinoris ignari , per alios ad consortium criminum jungimur , aliena fraude caperemur . Sect. 32. III. Leonis magni Epist . Decret . 86. p. 156. Parentum quoque peccatis parvulos obligari , non solum primorum hominum , sed etiam suorum de quibus ipsi nati sunt , non improbabiliter dicitur . Illa quippe sententia Reddam peccata patrum in filios , tenet eos utique antequam per regenerationem ad testamentum novum incipiant pertinere : quod testamentum prophetabatur , cum diceretur per Ezechielem , non accepturos filios peccata patrum suorum , nec ulterius futuram in Israel parabolam illam , Patres manducaverunt uvam acerbam , & dentes filiorum obstupescunt . Ideo enim quisque renascitur , ut solvatur in eo , quicquid peccati est , cum quo nascitur . Nam peccata quae male agendo postea committuntur , possunt & ponitendo sanari , sicut etiam post baptismum fieri videmus . Ac per hoc non est instituta regeneratio , nisi quia vitiosa est generatio , usque adeo ut etiam de legitimo matrimonio procreatus dicat , In iniquitatibus conceptus sum , & in peccatis mater mea in utero me aluit . Neque hic dixit , in iniquitate , vel in peccato , cum hoc recte dici posset ; sed iniquitates & peccata dicere maluit : quia & in illo uno , quod in omnes homines pertransivit , quodque tam magnum est , ut eo mutaretur & converteretur in necessitatem mortis humana natura ( sicut supra disserui , ) reperiuntur plura peccata , & alia parentum , quae licet non possunt mutare naturam , reatu tamen obligant filios , nisi gratuita gratia & misericordia divina subveniat . A parvulo enim recens nato , usque ad decrepitum senem quamlibet corporis aetatem gerant , sicut nullus prohibendus est a baptismo , ita nullus est , qui non peccato moriatur in baptismo : sed parvuli tantum originali , majores autem etiam his omnibus moriuntur peccatis , quaecunque male vivendo addiderunt ad illud quod nascendo traxerunt . Sect. 33. IV. Gregor . magni Expos . mor. li. 15. p. 90. Peccatum quippe originale a parentibus trahimus , & nisi per gratiam baptismatis solvamur , etiam parentum peccata portamus , quia unum adhuc videlicet cum illis sumus . Reddit ergo peccata parentum in filios , dum pro culpa parentis , ex originali peccato anima polluitur prolis . Et rursum non reddit parentum peccata in filios , quia cum ab originali culpa per baptismum liberamur , jam non parentum culpas , sed quas ipsi committimus , habemus . Sect. 34. V. August . Enchirid. ad Laurent . cap. 46 , 47. pag. ( edit . Paris ) 74. Neque dixit in iniquitate , vel peccato , cum & hoc recte dici posset ; sed iniquitates & peccata dicere maluit : Quia & in illo uno quod in omnes homines pertransiit reperiuntur plura peccata , & alia parentum , quae etsi non ita possunt mutare naturam , reatu tamen obligant filios nisi gratuita gratia , & misericordia divina subveniet . Sed de peccatis aliorum parentum quibus ab ipso Adam usque ad Patrem suum , progeneratoribus suis quisque succedit , non immerito disceptari potest , Vtrum omnium malis actibus & multiplicatis delictis originalibus , qui nascitur implicetur , ut tanto pejus quanto posterius quisque nascatur ? an propterea Deus in tertiam & quartam generationem de peccatis parentum eorum posteris comminetur , quia iram suam quantum ad progeneratorum suorum culpas non extendit ulterius moderatione miserationis suae , ne illi quibus regenerationis gratia non confertur , nimia sarcina in ipsa aeterna damnatione premerentur , si cogerentur ab initio generis humani omnium precedentium parentum suorum originaliter peccata contrabere , & poenas pro eis debitas pendere ? An aliud aliquid de re tanta in Scripturis sanctis diligentius perscrutatis atque tractatis valeat vel non valeat reperiri , temere non audeo affirmare . Bellarmine speaking against this opinion , li. 4. de Amiss . Grat. c. 18. saith thus of some Fathers , as speaking against him ; [ Et quidem S. Augustinus in Enchiridio , ca. 46. sic ait Parentum quoque peccatis parvulos obligari non solum primorum hominum , sed etiam suorum , &c. non improbabiliter dicitur . Idem repetit in li. 6. adversus Julianum , cap. 2. ejusque sententiani iisdem verbis tradit . S. Leo in Epist . 86. ad Nicetam : Sanctus etiam Gregorius , li. 15. moral . cap. 22. ad eandem sententiam ut videtur accessit . ] And Bellarmine ' s shift is a meer violence , [ quod sancti illi patres fortasse non de contagione culpae , sed de communicatione poenae loquuti sunt ; ] nor indeed can it be poena fine culpa . I would trouble my self and the Reader with more of the Ancients words , if I thought it worth the cost . Sect. 35. VI. Among the later Writers that were Papists , I will now give you only the words of Guil. Parisiensis , de Vit , & Peccat . c. 5. ( see more also , c. 6 , 7 , 8. ) who though he say that Peccatum originale non est culpa , nec meritum poenae ; yet calling it malum morale & vitium , I hope meant but that it was not culpa in sensu famosiore : But however , what he thought of its original , judge . Quia peccatum originale contrahitur & a carne , & a parentibus ingeneratur , his solis exceptis , qui privilegio gratiae a Deo protecti sunt , contrahitur inquam originaliter ; si enim a divitiis , quae tam longae sunt ab animabus nostris , pervenit ad eas corruptio avaritiae & superbiae , ut supra tetigimus , quanto fortius ab ipsis corporibus passiones , quales inferre possunt corpora , eisdem adhaerebunt ? Amplius : Si a vino penetrat ad ipsos ebrietas , ut eas in majorem , quam sit brutalis , insaniam transvertat , quanto fortius corpus ipsum , quod eis adeo e vicino & immediate adhaeret , eas obtenebrare poterit a lumine suo , & pervertere a rectitudine sua . Et quia toti animales efficiuntur in opere hujusmodi , sive toti caro ( ut dicit Aug. ) non est mirum , si semen viri vim imprimendi animalitatem recipit ex hujusmodi dispositione ; habet autem & ex parte materiae propriae alias dispositiones , per quas non permittitur , ut ex eo generetur aliud quam homo . Non enim totum habent ex imaginatione , vel sensu parentum generantium . Hoc autem quod praediximus de transfusione corruptionis & similitudinis , Aug. satis expresse dicere videtur , ubi dicit , quod originale peccatum in omnes illos transit , qui vitiosa lege nascendi nascuntur , & alibi dicit , in omnes concupiscentialiter genitos . In quo videtur attribuere vitiosae legi nascendi , sive concupiscentiali generationi contractionem , seu traductionem originalis peccati ; verum nos dicimus , quia si omne vitium nascendi , & tota concupiscentia etiam tolleretur a parentibus , corrupta tamen caro non nisi corruptam sibi similem generaret . Sect. 36. VII . Pet. Martyr Loc. Com. p. 142 , 143. Quod Deus ait , Se velle persequi peccata patrum in filios in tertiam & quartam generationem , quum alio loco dicat , Filium non portaturum iniquitatem patris : si filius , inquit , non portat iniquitatem patris , sed suam , & tamen Deus persequitur in eo peccatum patris , oportet ut filius ipse peccatum illud in se habeat : alioqui haec loca inter se non convenirent . Peccatum itaque sua natura ita factum est , ut non tantum animum hominis vastet , verum etiam corpus , carnem & membra depravet . Itaque Paulus ad Corinthios ait , corporae nostra templa esse Spiritus sancti , & graviter comminatur , si quis templum Dei destruat . Si ergo Deus puniat peccata parentum in siliis , & filius alienam iniquitatem non portat sed tantum suam : sequitur parvulos impiorum hominum , cum affliguntur ut patres in illis puniantur , aliquid in se habere paternae pravitatis . Neque hic cuiquam conquerendum est de justitia Dei ; nam si Deus incorruptissima sua justitia potest eos qui peccant in reprobum sensum tradere , & peccata peccatis punire : cur non etiam juste velit , peccati corruptionem non tantum animum perdere , sed etiam ejus impuritatem in corpus quoque redundare ? Vnde qui generantur ex peccatoribus , talem naturam ex illis contrahunt , qualem in illis reperiunt . Atque hac sententia homines admonentur ut sancte vivant , neve & animos suos & corpora polluant , eademque opera filios quoque suos inficiant . Si hoc ut jam diximus , constituatur , quaeret quispiam , quid discriminis sit inter peccatum originis , & illud quod a proximis parentibus contrabitur ? Respondemus propagationem originalis peccati , esse perpetuam , quemadmodum sacrae literae docent : aliorum vero peccatorum continuationem non esse necessariam . Aliquando enim a proximis parentibus nihil vitii transmittitur ad liberos , excepto peccato originis . Videtur enim Deus modum praefixisse , ne malum grassetur in immensum , & hanc mali propagationem suspendere . — Quare quod ad hanc rem attinet , libenter assentior Augustino , probabile esse & Scripturis consentaneum , ( istamque sententiam Martinus Bucerus vir doctissimus juxtaque sanctissimus probavit , ) vitia privata in filios propagari a parentibus : sed notandum , hoc esse contingens , non necessarium . Nam Deus quandoque parentum peccata suspendit , & pro sua bonitate non patitur naturam hominum prorsus perdi . Quando autem traducem istam peccatorum , aut reprimere velit , aut sinere locum habere , ipse solus novit . Nobis tamen satis est , haec duo considerare : primum peccatum a parentibus diffundi in liberos : alterum id Dei beneficio interdum prohiberi , quod tamen de peccato originis dici nullo modo potest . Omnes enim eo infecti nascimur . Atque bactenus ex Epistol . ad Roman . cap. 5. in haec verbi , Quemadmodum per inobedientiam , &c. Vide similem locum in Gen. 8. ver . 21. Sect. 37. VIII . I forbear citing Bucer's words , seeing here you have Pet. Martyr's testimony of his judgment , who was his intimate acquaintance . Sect. 38. IX . Anton. Wallaeus Respons . ad censuram Corvini de peccati primi poen . p. 257. Deinde quomodocunque tandem peccata parentum posteris imputentur , imputationem peccati parentum in posteros esse proprie ex severitate foederis operum , non ex 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 foederis evangelici . Nam maledictio foederis primi manifesta est , Deut. 28. 15. Maledictus erit fructus ventris tui , &c. Quod discrimen utriusque foederis perspicue proponitur , Jer. 31. 29 , &c. See further . And pag. 262 , 263 , 264. he reprehends Corvinus for making our guilt of original sin to be meerly from God's will ; and the imputation of Adam's sin , to be different from that of our other Parents ; and shews that it is the same thing that God threatned in the second Commandment , Exod. 20. and proclaimed with his name , Exod. 24. and largely cites the sayings of Tertullian and Augustin to the same purpose : all which is too large for me here to recite . Sect. 39. X. Ursin . Catech. edit . Parei de Peccat . Orig. pag. 45. [ Obj. 6. In quos peccata omnium majorum transeunt , miseriores erunt illis , in quos tantum aliquorum peccata propagantur : At si peccatum in posteros transit , in postremos homines , omnia majorum , in priores eorum tantum qui precesserunt , peccata derivantur ; ergo posteriores erunt miseriores : Hoc vero absurdum videtur , & eum justitia Dei pugnans . Respon . Non foret absurdum , etiamsi Deus posteriores magis desereret ac puniret : nam quanto plura peccata a genere humano cumulantur , tanto magis ira Dei accenditur & exasperatur poena , juxta illud , Nondum completae sunt iniquitates Amorrhaeorum , &c. Vt veniat super vos omnis sanguis justus , &c. Sed & minor negatur : etsi enim Deus propter justitiam suam , peccatum originis , hoc est vitium naturae & reatum in omnes posteros transire sinit , tamen simul ex misericordia metas figit peccato , ut non semper majorum peccata actualia imitentur & luant posteri , nec semper malorum parentum mali aut deteriores ac miseriores liberi existant . ] Sect. 40. XI . Mr. Gataker ' s words Mr. Poole thus translateth in his Synops . Crit. in Exod. 20. p. 403. Punit Deus sapenumero liberos propter peccata Parentum ut constat exemplis & sanctionibus S. Scripturae ; Vid. Exod. 4. 22 , 23. & 12. 29. & 34. 7. Num. 14. 18. 2 Sam. 12. 14. 1 Reg. 13. 33. & 14. 1. 17. Rationes , — 1. Quod liberi sint res atque possessiones parentum , — 2. Liberi praeterea sunt partes sive membra parentum & sunt quasi una persona cum Parentibus ; ut recte Althus . Dicaeolog . l. 1. Vid. Gen. 20. 7. 18. Mat. 15. 22. Quod ad loca in contraria prolata , Deut. 24. Jer. 31. Ezek. 18. 1. Debent 〈◊〉 mortem Deo , &c. 2. Non sunt haec apud homines semper injusta , &c. where he instaneth in similitudes . — See his Sermon it self on 1 Kin. 14. 17. Sect. 41. XII . If I thought it would be worth my own , and the Readers trouble , I would undertake to produce abundance more of Protestant Writers ; and let but Expositors on the second Commandment be examined by him that doubteth of it , and he will be satisfied if he have store at hand . I only now say of many in general , that the ordinary saying of such Expositors is , that temporal punishments , and some spiritual , are oft inflicted by God on children for their Fathers sins : I will give you the sense of many in Deodate's words on Exod. 20. 5. [ Visiting : ] that is , I enquire after it , and punish it . [ Of the Fathers ▪ ] As concerning eternal judgment upon the soul , every one dieth for his own iniquity , * Jer. 31. 30. but for the Fathers sins the children are often punished in body , in goods , and other things which they hold and derive from their Parents , Num. 14. 33. 2 Sam. 12. 11. and 21. 5. 15. And besides , God oftentimes curseth the generation of the wicked , withdrawing his grace spirit from it , whereby imitating their Parents wickedness , they are punished in the same manner , 1 Sam. 15. 2. Matth. 23. 32. 25. Sect. 42. Here note , 1. that there can be no punishment ( temporal or eternal ) where there is no imputed guilt . Therefore all those Divines who say that not only Parents in their children , but children for their Parents sins , have the least punishment , do thereby assert a guilt . 2. That there is no guilt of sin which deserveth not great , yea perpetual punishment , if not remitted . 3. That privation of Grace , and the spirit here mentioned , is a most heavy punishment , tending to that which is perpetual . 4. That children are to derive from their Parents ( or from God by them ) greater mercies than goods , health , &c. even Church-membership , right to Baptism , and so to pardon , and the other saving benefits of the Covenant , ( as being holy ) : Therefore by the same reason , as health , goods , &c. may be denied them , because they are derived from Parents , ( as Deodate speaks , ) Baptism and its benefits may be denied them . 5. And hath not the universal Church given us their judgment of the case , who have in all ages judged that Baptism is to be denied to the children of Heathens and Infidels ? ( unless other mens owning them , make them no longer theirs . ) At least I may say , if as many be of my judgment concerning our guilt of Parents sins , as hold that Baptism and its fruits are to be denied to such children of Infidels , the number will be so great and honourable , that I would wish this worthy Dr. no more to make them seem as none . And , as I have before shewed , not to be baptized is to them a penalty : and that not only in the judgment of Papists , who shut such out of Heaven , but of the ancient Doctors , who took Baptism to be our solemn investiture in a state of life , and the seal of pardon and right to salvation ; ( as Gataker against Davenant de Bapt. hath proved by citing a multitude of their testimonies , as an useful Index to save Readers much labour on that point . ) And I have elsewhere proved at large * that the Scripture mentioneth no Baptisme of Christ's Institution , which was not for the remission of sin . If any say that this is no new penalty , but a leaving them under the old , and that it is not for the Parents unbelief , but the Parents only do omit their duty needful to the childs liberation ; I again answer , that had there been no Saviour , Covenant , Means , or Hope , it had indeed been no penalty , because no privation , but a negation . And had not the child 's right and deliverance been laid on the Parents Faith and Consent as a Condition , they had but negatively left them under the penalty of Adam's sin , and their corruption , ( with the guilt next to be mentioned . ) But remember that poena damni , the loss of Heaven is vere poena , and so is the loss of Pardon and Grace , ( not to an uncapable , but to a capable subject ) : And that sins of omission are truly sins : And that as a Father murders his child , if he feed him not , so he doth by omission do much to damn him , if he do not believingly dedicate him to Christ ; ( for I speak not of unavoidable want of Baptism , which Austin himself thought not to be damning , however mistaken herein by many . ) A mans own not-believing is nothing ; but it is such a nothing as is punished with a non-salvation , which is another nothing ; yea , that and other omissions , with positive damnation , and the pain of sense . 6. But further note , that this great instance sheweth that it is not only the sins of Parents before Generation , and in it , but also after the child's birth , while the child is void of the use of reason and will for himself , that the child may be punished by and for , with this penal non-liberation . Much more evident then is it that this , with his additional pravity and bodily distempers , all together , are a penalty for the Parents former unbelief , and other sins , with this omission . 7. And again I say , that if the very guilt and corruption derived from Adam , had not been my next Parents first , it had never been mine , no more than my nature : For I had it not immediately from Adam , but from them . And if I had that as theirs first , I must by the same reason have more of theirs : And who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean ? And David's Mother is said to conceive him in sin , Psal . 51. 8. Let it be noted for answer to the objections , from Ezek. 18. &c. 1. That there is by the Covenant of Grace , a pardon with right to Christ and Life , freely given to all the faithful and their infant-seed , as by them ( having full power thereto ) in Covenant given up to Christ : Now , no one is damned for pardoned sins . The infant is at once guilty of Adam's and his Parents sin ; and at once his nature receiveth pravity from both , ( but immediately only by the immediate Parents ; ) and at once both are pardoned to him , and this pardon solemnly sealed and delivered in Baptism . Therefore well may God say to the pardoned , to the penitent , and to the innocent , that he shall not die for his Parents sins , ( no , not for Adam's . ) 2. For the Text speaketh to the adult , and to men that thought themselves innocent , and that they suffered for their Parents sins , and not their own : And God assureth them , 1. that if they are innocent , they shall not die ; 2. yea , if they be repenting persons , and pardoned , and obedient evangelically , hating all the sins of their wicked Parents , they shall live . 3. yea , this is true of their children also for their sakes . But this is not because the Law never judged them guilty , and worthy of death ; but because the Grace of Christ forgiveth it : else the Text would exempt all infants from the guilty of death , for Adam's sin . But there is not a word in the Text to prove , 1. that children need no pardon for their guilty of Parents sins : 2. or that those that are not pardoned , being themselves unsanctified , ( or if adult , live wickedly as their Parents did ) shall not die for them : 3. or that such sins of Parents are not the cause of such guilt and pravity in the child , as that he is truly said to die for his own sin . Sect. 43. XIII . Yet further methinks , to a conformable Doctor , the judgment of the Church of England in her Liturgy should not be insignificant ; [ Remember not Lord our offences , nor the offences of our fore-Fathers ; neither take thou vengeance on our sins : ] In what sense do men subscribe this , and daily use it ? 1. Do they think that the Church meaneth only Adam's sin , by our [ fore-Fathers ] ? 2. Or that by [ not-remembring , ] they mean [ not-pardoning , and not-punishing ] ? 3. Or do they think that they pray for the dead , in Purgatory , Hell , or Heaven ? Or rather do they not imitate David , and the Jewish Church , and Ezra , Nehemiah , Daniel , &c. who confessed that they were punished for their Fathers sins ? Sect. 44. I conclude this subject with a second request to the Christian Reader , to pity and pray for the poor distressed Church of Christ , which is distracted and distressed thus , even by such as are most devoted to its service , through the great weakness of our judgments , and the unhappy passions and strivings that thence follow . Either I or this worthy person are mistaken , or else we differ not : When I look to the Person only , and not to the Evidence , nor to the Consenters , I have far greatest reason to suspect that I am liker to erre than he : And if it prove so , the evidence yet seemeth to me so full for what I hold , that I am almost hopeless of being otherwise perswaded ; And my judgment is not at my command : How then shall I avoid the injury of souls ? But yet I think , that to hold our selves more guilty of our Parents sins than we are , is no dangerous damning error : it may molest us , but not undo us ; and I never saw many much molested by it . But if either we differ not , when yet he giveth you so loud an Alarm , or if it be he that erreth indeed ; alas ! what must the Church expect from the too great number of ignorant and ungodly Teachers , when it must be thus used by the Learned and the Godly ? My thoughts are , 1. that it deserveth tears from faithful Ministers to observe , that so considerable a part of the common guilt and misery of all mankind , should by godly men be no more confessed and lamented ! 2. And that by those that for any denial or extenuation of our original sin as from Adam , are so heinously ( and justly ) offended with the erroneous : yea , ready to vilifie men as Arminians , if not Socinians , that they think come near it ! 3. That ever the stream of a Party , Reputation , Interest , Example , or whatever else of that kind , should with so many good men , have so great a power , in making truth or error , duty or sin , good or evil , orthodox or heretical , in their conceits ; and so much faction he found in their Religion ! 4. That ever so many millions should be taught impenitency in so plain a case , when repentance and confession have so considerable a place among the requisites to remission ! 5. That ever so many millions should by Preachers be taught that they have no need of a Saviour , nor of Pardon , nor to pray for Pardon , for so much of their guilty and punishment ! 6. That ever so much of the plain stream of Scripture-evidence can be denied and made light of , by good men that cry up the Scripture authority and sufficiency , even when they can lay a great stress , in some unprofitable hurtful controversie , upon some one Text whose sense is not to be certainly understood ! 7. That ever good and learned Teachers should be so conceited of their own conceptions , as in their confidence in such a cause to brand God's truth with the name of error , and their brethren as dangerous men for not erring as they do ! 8. And finally , that the poor people must be under such grievous perplexing temptations as I before mentioned ; and that the Papists should be thus hardened in their opinion that we shall never be at peace and concord , unless we unite in their usurping , tyrannical Peace-maker : And that Poor Scholars and young Ministers must be thus frightned from Truth , Duty , Charity and Peace , and men made believe that the Church is about to be set on fire , if we are told of that which is contrary to our former opinions ! This must be lamented , if it be not I , but others that here erre . Sect. 45. But yet before I end , he calls me so loud to consider of another matter , that I must not deny his invitation . In my Direct . for Cure of Church-Divisions , Dir. 42. I said , [ Your belief of the necessary Articles of Faith must be made your own , and not taken meerly on the authority of any . And in all points of belief and practice , which are of necessity to salvation , you must ever keep company with the universal Church , ( for it were not the Church , if it erred in these . ) And in matters of peace and concord , the greater part must be your guide , ( that is , caeteris paribus . ) In matters of humane obedience , your Governors must be your guides . And in matters of high and difficult speculation , the judgment of one man of extraordinary understanding and clearness , is to be preferred before both the Rulers and the major Vote . ] And I instanced on the by , [ Q. What is the object of Predestination , or the nature of the Wills liberty , of the concurse of God , and determining way of Grace , of the definition of Justification , Faith , &c. ] supposing the saving knowledge of the thing to differ from a logical skill of defining . Upon this , the Learned Dr. here thus accosteth me , [ Vnum duntaxat a me peramice ( Deus novit ) rogandus est , ut serio apud Deum & conscientiam suam se excuteret , quo ista scripserit consilio quae occurrunt Reg. 42. Supponit ( inter alia ) quaestionem nasci de Definitione Justificationis , Fidei , &c. ( nec dubito quin Imputatam quoque Christi Justitiam incluserit ; ) Quos hic adsciscendos vult duces ? Adverte Lector : Hic inquit , Theologorum pauci qui bene docti & pollent judicio , authoritati & plurimum [ fo rs . plurimorum ] suffragiis anteponendi , quemadmodum vel unus aliquis , cui viget oculorum aciet ; melius , longinsque videt , quam mille quibus hebescit magis ; Rogo , inquam , probe se excutiat , ut secum sciamus quem quibus in doctrina justificationis anteponat ; quis unus ille oculatus , & 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ; qui mille myopes ; & quem tandem status five minorennis sive precarii finem habiturae sint magnae veritates Dei , ut ab hominum suffragiis aliquando pendere desinant , Deusque ( ut cum Tertulliano loquar ) Deus sit ? Eum spero a Papismi contagione tutum & immunem ; utinam vero diligentius apud se perponderet , quam belle sua operum justitia cum Papali conveniat : Certe , ut mihi saltem videtur , ( dijudicent alii , ) Si facies non sit utrisque , eadem , Nec diversa tamen quadem decet esse sororum . Answ . Worthy Sir , I accept your admonition : When God is so solemnly appealed to , and I that am passing quickly to his judgment , am summoned so friendly to make my serious preparatory examination before him and my conscience , neglect would be my aggravated sin . But your call for [ Diligence ] tells me that you know me not , who have little spared for labour these 37 years : And I am now unfit for increased diligence . 1. As to the matter of Justification , ( I will not summon you before God or Conscience , but ) What will the World think of your dealing , to bait ( and that by gross misreport ) a small book above twenty years retracted , ( after voluminous Animadversions in MS. from many learned men ) and purposely explained in a larger Book called The Confession of my Faith about Justification , &c. and much fullier in my Disputations about Justification , with Mr. Burges , Mr. Blake , Mr. Tombes , Mr. Warner , &c. and the Doctrine there vindicated , and in many other Books , ( my Apology , Life of Faith , &c. ) and to take no notice of any of these Books , and yet call me before God and Conscience to a diligent search ? If my diligence produced never so much more , are you bound to take any more notice of them than you did of all these ? 2. How come you to know the mind of a man , whom I suppose you never , saw , so well as to add your [ Nec dubito quin Imputatam Christi Justitiam incluserit ? ] Am I not fittest to tell you what I include ? 3. Why turn you a Logical case of Defining , into a Theological de re ? Justitia Christi Imputata is one thing , and the Definition of Justice , or Imputation , is another . 4. Are you in good sadness desirous to know whom I mean ? I must think so : But why did you not as earnestly ask of the rest , What Rulers I mean , and what people I mean , &c. Is it not enough to describe them , unless I name them ? But I will tell you as much of my meaning as I know my self . My meaning is , that if the question be , What is the signification of this or that Hebrew , Arabick , Syriack , Persian , Greek word , in the Text and Versions of the Scripture , or what such a proverbial speech doth signifie ? and so of Topography , Genealogy , Chronology , &c. one excellent Hebrician , &c. well seen in those studies , should be believed before the majority of all the Boys , Students , Preachers , that never understood those things : Must I name them ? is there no remedy ? Why I mean such a one as Pagnine , Montanus , Buxtorf , &c. for the Hebrew : such a one as Erpenius , Dr. Pocock , &c. for the Arabick : such a one as Scaliger , Blondell , Vsher , Broughton , &c. for Chronology , &c. If it be a controversy in Geometry , I would believe Dr. Wallis , &c. if in Anatomy , Dr. Willis , Dr. Lower , Dr. Needham , before a thousand that are therein unstudied : yea , if it were a Magistrate , or Bishop , that were of another mind . In Metaphysicks , I will believe or regard one Suarez , Hurtado , Meurisse , Schiebler , Dr. Barlow , before a thousand that are therein ignorant : in Physicks , I more regard one Aristotle , Scotus , Honoratus Faber , Campanella , Mr. Boyle , &c. before all them that never studied them : And in Logick , I regard one Aristotle , Ramus , Dietericus , Burgersdicius , Hurtado , &c. before all that never studied Logick , of what Coat or Calling soever . Accordingly in Method and Defining , I prefer one such Divine as Sohnius , Cluto , Wendeline , Amesius , Dud Fenner , Dr. Stoughton , Mr. G. Lawson , &c. before all those that are ignorant of Method and Definition : while I prefer the happiness of many a poor woman that hath a strong Faith , and cannot define it , before some Doctors that can define that which they have not . Thus your loud Call hath drawn out an exposition , which I once thought would have been vain . Sect. 46. But it may be you would know what their names are whom I take to be better [ Definers of Justification , Faith and Imputation , ] than all the unskilful Students , or others , that want their Logical and Theological sufficiency ? You that are an Academical Doctor , should be better acquainted with the best Logicians and School-Divines than I. I once thought you had been one of them : If there be no remedy , I will tell you who I think have delivered us far more judicious and digested thoughts of these things , ( both definitions , distinctions , and the matter it self , ) than I find in this your Treatise : namely , Vinc. le Blanc , Mr. Will. Bradshaw , and Mr. Anth. Wotton , ( two old Non-Conformists , ) Placeus , Amyraldus , Dallaeus , Testardus , Conrad , & Johannes Bergii , Lud. Crocius , Mastrickt , Matth. Martinius , Camero , Grotius , Mr. Lawson , Dr. Hammond , Mr. John Ball , Mr. Gibbons , ( late of Black-fryers , ) Mr. Truman , ( in his great Propitiat . &c. ) ( three Non-Conformists , ) Mr. Gataker , &c. I name them but as I remember them . And now Sir , was this a task worthy so solemn an invitation before God , and Conscience , and the World ? If I should name Mr. Hotchkis of Pardon , Mr. Benj. Woodbridge , and many more such Writers , I pray you say not that I send you to School to them : I do but answer your earnest request . Sect. 47. But , 4. I also intreat you to tell me , whether you differ from me in the rule of counsel which I there gave the ignorant people , or not ? If you did not , you would never have given me such a summons . If you do ; deal openly with your Scholars and the World , and tell them , whether your meaning be , that the major vote of those that never read Logick , Physicks , Metaphysicks , Law , Medicine , &c. is to be believed before one Aristotle , Downame , Gassendus , Zabarell , Grotius , Cook , Littleton , Cujacius , Fernelius , &c. Tell your Scholars that you are but one , and they are many , and must believe themselves before you , in defining Justification , Faith , &c. Tell all the University , that thus they must use their Tutors . Should Mr. Ainsworth's Church of Separatists have judged of all his critical expositions by the major vote ? Tell the World that all the Criticks , and Dr. Walton's Labours and all such mens , must stand or fall at the judgment of the majority of people or Ministers that never studied those tongues . ( If you think I take my self for one of these Judges , you are quite mistaken . ) And I may ask you , Are you not herein a man singular even to admiration ? And yet will you plead thus , as if it were against singularity ? Are not all Protestants , Papists , Christians , learned Heathens , agreed of the Rule that I gave ? All your University , save your self , ( I hope in charity ) do think that your Professors , and Readers , and Tutors , are to be believed in their several Professions and Readings , before all their unlearned Pupils , or any others that are ignorant . What sort of men in the World are more faulty in tying up mens Faith too much to men , than the Papists are ? And yet I presume you know that they commonly acknowledge , that in Dogmatical difficulties , especially such as depend on Arts and Sciences , ( such as Defining for the most part is , ) the majority even in a Council that are therein unlearned , learned , are not so much to be heard as one eminently learned in those things . One Gabriel , Ockam , Greg. Arim : One Scotus , Rada , Lychetus : One Pennous , Vasqu●● , Ruiz : Or if you had rather , one Bradwa●dine , Bannes , Alvarez , Twisse , is more to be heard in telling us , what Concurse , Predetermination , Natural Free-will are , than many that never studied the point ; ( though yet perhaps the best of them may deserve little regard about unsearchable things . ) If you please but to read Mr. Femble his Vind. Grat. you will find somewhere almost the very words of the rule or saying of mine , which you exceptingly recite . Sect. 48. 5. But what mean you to bring in the intimation , that thus [ the great truths of God will depend on humane suffrages , even whether God shall be God ? ] I beseech you consider , 1. Whether you do well to number Artificial , Logical Definitions controverted by the greatest Divines , with [ the great truths of God ? ] How various are the Definitions of Justification , ( considered also variously , as Constitutive , Sentential , Executive , in this life , at the last Judgment , in fore Dei , i● foro Conscientiae , in foro Humano , Civili , Ecclesiastico , &c ) which are given by great Divines ? And how various the definitions of Faith ( between that of Camero , and such others as place it in the intellect Amesius , and such others as place it in the will ; Davenant , and such others as place it in both ; Pemble , and such others as make them one faculty ? ) The differences about the act , the formal object , the material object , ( as whether with Chamier we must hold , that the spirits inward testimony that you are justified , be verbum Dei & Fidei objectum , with abundance such ) are too too many , when yet perhaps most mean the same thing , and differ but in Logical notions . And do you well to frighten men into suspicions and contentions , out of their charity and peace , by telling them that these are the great truths of God , and likening them to the Question , whether God shall be God ? As if you knew not that by such melancholies and phantasms , the Church hath been brought into the unhappy , military , distracted state that it is in . It is work fit for a Divine and Healer , to make the World believe that the great truths of God , and the Godhead it self are at the stake , in such Logical quarrels , and that men differ further than they do ? 6. But did you not see that I before expresly excepted all matters necessary to Salvation from humane trust ? ( Some will say , I doubt , too far , that see not other explications . ) 7. And I beseech you , is it all one for truth to depend on humane suffrages ( yea , God himself , ) and for an ignorant man or Scholar to depend on his Teacher , so far as fide humana to believe him before ten unlearned men ? Is this fit doctrine for a Doctor and Master of a Literate Society ? Say then in your Lectures , [ Hearers and Scholars , this and that is the true definition of Faith and Justification , ( even of the various sorts of Faith and Justification ; ) but while I tell you so , regard and believe what I and many such others say to you , no more than you would do many unlearned men , or any dissenters that tell you that I erre , or speak heretically herein ; lest God and his Truth depend on humane suffrages . ] And because I ( fain would , but ) cannot find any other meaning in your words , without taking you to be guilty of what I would not suspect , and consequently , that you expect no more regard or belief of this your Treatise , as such , I cease from any further animadversions on it , as the less necessary . Only adding , that your conclusion that soundeth loud with the name of Popery , needeth no other answer than what I have formerly given Mr. Crandon , Mr. Eyres , Mr. Bagshaw , Mr. Danvers , and such others , who oft cry out [ Antichristian ] ( a frightful word , ) when they needed but awakening to convince them that they were but frightned in a dream . ERRATA . PAg. 1. lin . antep . r. T. Tully . p. 191. l. 12. r. God. p. 215. l. 16. r. integris . We Quest . Whether Infants have Original Sin ? Aff. ( And of Original Righteousness . ) THat I may as briefly and yet as clearly as I can ( considering that necessary brevity ) dispatch this Controversy , I must 1. tell you what original sin is ; and 2. assert & open the Affirmative proposition ; and 3. give you some Arguments for it . I. In order to the first , we must 1. enquire What sin is ; 2. What the word [ Original ] here signifieth ; 3. What Original Righteousnes was . 1. Sin is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , an irregularity , or a dissonancy or disconformity to the Law of God , in a subject . It is any defect , inclination or action contrary to the rule of Righteousness . The form of it is Relative . Disconformity is a true relation , as well as Conformity ; as crooked is as well as straight , and dissimile as well as simile . 2. We now call it [ Original ] sin , because it is in us ab origine , or by propagation , & not only because it is the original of all other sin . 3. Concerning Original Righteousness ( which must first be understood ) we must enquire , 1. Whether it was natural or supernatural ; 2. Wherein it did consist . For the first , 1. It must be understood that the Righteousness which we enquire after , is , 1. Qualitative ; the holy inclinations of the soul , called the Image of God : 2. and Relative ; the Innocency or Justifiableness of man : but not , 3. the Active Righteousness : for that was , 1. after Creation , 2. freely performed by man himself : and yet it may extend to that as it is denominated from the inclining principle . And for the question , 1. As [ Natural ] signifieth , that which was created in us ; or which we had in the beginning , with our being , from God as our gracious Creator , so Original Righteousness was Natural : that is , 1. It was not given him at any time following his Creation , 2. Nor was it given at the same time , as a thing distinct from the soundness , and rectitude , and integrity of his nature : but was that rectitude it self , and as much concreated with man , as health and beauty with the body . 2. As [ natural ] signifieth that which belongeth to the essence of man , and is inseparable from him ; so original righteousness was not natural ; no more than health and beauty are to the body . 3. As [ Natural ] signifieth that which is now propagated and born with us , and comes by generation to man in his lapst estate , so Original Righteousness is supernatural . 4. Though as it signifieth that which would have been propagated to posterity , if the Parents had not sin'd and lost it , so Original Righteousness is natural . 5. As [ Natural ] signifieth that which may be recovered , or maintained by meer natural means ; so Original Righteousness is not Natural : for though to Adam it was as natural to the soul as health and beauty to the body , yet 1. He was commanded by supernatural revelation certain positive duties for the exercise and maintaining of it , and for the attainment of salvation , which was its end . 2. And now we are deprived of it , we cannot expect the restoration but by means supernatural : even by Christ , and the Spirit , and supernatural revelations . And that Original Righteousness is [ Natural ] so far as I have said , that is , concreated , and should have been propagated to posterity , if not lost by Parents , I shall here prove by several Arguments ; because I find Dr. Taylor and others that deny Original sin , do build on this supposition , that Infants are deprived of this Righteousness as some superadded thing ; and yet be in puris naturalibus without sin . But there is no such state , nor ever was , as a state of pure nature in a rational creature , without holiness or sin ; as I prove : Arg. 1. Man was naturally able and disposed to know God to be God , and his God : go . He was naturally able and disposed to love him as God , and his God : which is the sum of his Original Righteousness . By disposed , I mean morally inclined , and not void of that holy inclination to love God , which is the life of morality , and rectitude of the will. The Antecedent is undoubted : if the rational nature had not been disposed to know God , it had been blind , deformed , and not fit for the ends of its creation . The Consequence is proved thus . If the understanding had been disposed to know God , and not the will to love him as God , then the will would have been created lame , and deformed , and unfit for the ends of its creation ; and there would have been a disproportion , if not a conflict , between the faculties of the soul : but the Consequent is not to be admitted : go . nor the Antecedent . Arg. 2. God made not man without all moral good : go . He made him with the inclination to God , ( which we call Charity in habit , or disposition ) , which was his Original Righteousness . We speak not of Active good ; for that was to follow his creation : but of inward Virtue in habit or disposition . The Antecedent is proved : 1. In that else he had been imperfect , as to his end ; 2. And not born the Image of God's goodness : and by the other reasons hereafter following . And if God made man without all moral virtue and goodness , then could he lose and fall from none . The consequence is proved , because there can be no proper moral good , where the true principle and end are wanting : but where the love of God is wanting , the true principle and end is wanting : go . &c. God is the end : Love is the adhesion to God : Heathens and unregenerate men have no moral good , any further than they have some kind of love to God , and respect him as the end : Which as it is in them but analogically called love to God , so have they but an analogical morality . Arg. 3. Man was created in the Image of God : go . he was created in Original Righteousness , which consisted in the inclination of the soul to God , as God. The Antecedent is exprest in Gen. 1. 26 , 27. The consequence is proved from Eph. 4. 24. with Col. 3. 10. which shew that the Image of God ( besides that which was in our Essentials , in power , understanding , and will ) consisted in wisdom righteousness , and true holiness . It 's impossible that the moral Image of God should be without Original Righteousness , and the love of God. Arg. 4. God look'd on man when he had created him , and saw that he was very good , Gen. 1. 31. go . he saw that he had an inclination to his Maker , or habitual love to God : for the rational creature cannot be very good without it . Arg. 5. If man was made for God as his ultimate end , then was he made with Original Righteousness ( or an holy inclination to love God ) : but man was made for God as his ultimate end : go . &c. The minor is certain : Though it be doubtful whether naturally man could know that he might enjoy God by immediate vision of his Glory ; and also whether it should be in Heaven or on Earth , or where ; and also whether he could obtain the beatifical vision without supernatural revelation and assistance ; yet it was plain , that he was made for God as his end , that is , to please him , and to love him , and be beloved by him , and enjoy him according to his capacity : 1. Else it had been no duty of man by nature to intend God as his end , and to love him above all : 2. And it had been no part of his sin or misery to take up short of God : which are false , as shall be shewed . The major is proved thus : All the works of God are disposed for the attainment of their ends : go . so was man , and go . with Original Righteousness : for without Charity , ( in the habit or inclination ) , and so without Original Righteousness , man had not been disposed to his end , but had been left in an unfitness , and indifferency , inclined no more to God than to any creature . Moreover , man was created with an inclination to good , as good , so far as he perceived it ; and go . with the greatest inclination to the greatest good : but to man in his natural integrity God appeared as the greatest good ; otherwise the understanding could not have discerned that truth which the whole creation manifested : which is not to be imagined . Moreover , man by nature was inclined to his own felicity formally , and objectively so far as he knew it : but by nature he knew God to be objectively his felicity ; ( though he might not know the immediate vision , he could not but know that it was his happiness to be accepted and beloved by his Maker , and enjoy him according to his capacity ) ; go . &c. Moreover , no creature can satisfie the mind of man , or fulfil his desire : go . Man in his natural integrity was inclined to God , who only can satisfy . Moreover , it is natural for the creature to desire the perfection of that which it had in imperfection : but it cannot be denied but Adam had some knowledge of God , as God , and so as the chief good , and consequently some inclination to him , ( suppose it never so small ) : go . he naturally desired to know and love him perfectly ; and go . it must needs be that God was his end , and he had Original Righteousness . Arg. 6. Man was naturally obliged to love God above all , and serve and please him with all his powers : go . he was naturally disposed hereunto . The Antecedent is plain ; in that God by meer Resultancy having made man a rational free agent , was related to him as his Creator , Lord , and Ruler , and Benefactor ; and man related to him as his creature , as his own , as his subject , and as his Beneficiary : and go . must needs be bound by virtue of this relation , to love God with all his heart , and be thankful to him , and devoted to his will and service . The consequence is proved ; in that God fitteth all his creatures to their use , not only by a naked power , but by a convenient inclination for the actuating of that power : go . he did so by man : he did not lay all this duty on him , without giving him an aptitude and disposition suitable thereto . Arg. 7. The contrary Doctrine too much favoureth Infidelity , as to mans immortal happiness with God. For , 1. If mans nature , as compleated by the Creator , was not made for , and suited and disposed to the fruition of God in immortality , super-added Grace and Redemption must be conceived to make man as it were another creature , and give him another nature ; and so that God should presently change the nature that he had newly made ; and that Grace were to make man holy , as if it were to make a beast to be a man , and elevate him above the tendency of all his natural perfections : which will seen improbable . 2. It denieth all the arguments for the immortality of the soul , that are fetch'd from nature : which is not to be done . If the nature of the soul can prove its immortality , it must accordingly prove its immortal happiness , or misery ; for a neutral state cannot thence be proved : and go . it must prove that happiness to be in the love of God ; and so that the soul was inclined to it . Arg. 8. There is no word of God , that mentioneth the super-adding of Original Righteousness , by any following gift of God , distinct from our creation : go . it cannot by divine Faith be believed that such a following gift there was . Arg. 9. Regeneration is mans reparation and restoration to God : go . man fell from God ; and so from the love of God : and it is the reparation of that Image of God in which he was created , Col. 3. 10. Eph. 4. 24. Arg. 10. It is expresly said , Eccl. 7. 29. that God made man upright : but his righteousness was his uprightness : go . he also made him righteous . So much of that question . 2. As to the next question , Wherein Original Righteousness doth consist ; 1. It consisteth in the souls inclination to God as God ; that is in the habit or disposition , or propensity of the soul to love God for himself , as the infinite good , and also as our felicity . 2. In the understandings disposition to know God as one to be thus beloved . 3. In a holy vivacity Godward . 4. In the ordination and subjection of all the inferior faculties to the understanding and will thus inclined . 5. And relatively , in the innocency hence resulting . And now we may hence see what original sin is . In Adam himself the first sin was actual , and thence followed the habitual pravity : in us the first in order of nature is Adam's sin imputed justly , because we were in him , and in our immediate Parents , who derived it from him ; and herewith is conjoyned the pravity or corruption of our nature , which containeth these things following : 1. The privation of the true love of God , as our principal end , to be loved for himself , and as our felicity ; and herewith the privation of the love of holiness , his image : and so of the rectitude of the will. 2. The privation of the true and savoury knowledge of God and his image , and estimation of them . Here note that it is the privation of the inclination , disposition or habit that I speak of , and not of the act . 3. In a deadness and inactivity Godwards . 4. In the inordinate adhesion or inclination of the sensitive appetite to its objects . 5. In the inordinate inclination of the will to our selves , especially our carnal interest . The matter of original sin is in these . II. For the explication of the Thesis , I desire that these things may be noted , besides what is said . 1. It is original sin ( increased by our sinful acts ) that hindereth us from knowing original sin . As it is the ophthalmie , or gutta serena , or suffusion , that hindreth the eye , by the glass to see its own disease . Original sin lieth very much in an inordinate self-love , or selfish inclination : and the more any man hath of that , the more unwilling and unapt he is to know it : and much more unapt to be truly humbled for it ; and go . unsanctified men that are strangers to true self-denial , are apt to plead against the being of original sin , and are hardly brought to know it in themselves . 2. Sin is a word that 's usually and properly taken so largely as to contain all moral evil ; or all defects , inclinations and actions contrary to the rule of holiness and righteousness , and deserving any punishment : and thus we take it in the question . But sometimes sin is taken more narrowly , as signifying only the actual transgression of the Law ; but we take it not so narrowly here ( for one kind of sin only ) . 3. Some sins have a greater degree of sinfulness , or malignity in them than some others have : and so when we say that infants have original sin , we do not equal it in degree of malignity with the sins of the adult . Materially there is more malignity or opposition to God , in original , than in ordinary actual sins : but formally there is more culpability in many actual sins , than in original sin , because they are more fully voluntary , and in our power . Yet the confirmed sinful habits of the adult , where original sin is strengthened by actual , are worst of all : so that as Accidens is said to be called Ens but by analogy of attribution , as having a less participation of the kind ; and yet it is truly Ens : so the original sin of infants is called sin by such an analogy , as having a less participation of the common nature of sin , in the form and culpability . 4. In such a degree as infants are subjects of Christ's Kingdom , in such a degree also their original pravity is properly sin . 5. In such a degree as their Parents righteousness would have been imputable to them , if none of their Ancestors from the creation had sinned ; and as their own inherent holiness is imputable to the sanctified infants as a moral good : in such a degree also is their progenitors sin imputed to them , and their original pravity imputed to them as a moral evil . 6. We do not assert that any of the adult are damned for original sin alone ; nor that their original sin is a remediless evil : but that a remedy is provided , and means appointed for men to use , in order to their deliverance from the guilt and pravity ; which if they refuse , they lie under a double guilt . 7. Original sin , and the misery deserved and due to the subject , is a remediable evil in infants themselves : As their Parents have propagated a sinful guilty nature to them , so if their Parents will unfeignedly dedicate them to Christ , and offer and engage them to God in the holy Covenant , which Baptisme is the sign and seal of , they shall be accepted by God , according to the tenor of his promise . 8. Our question extendeth not to the degree of infants punishment , whether they shall have more or less ? whether pain of loss only , or of sense also , or how far ? 9. An ordinary occasion of seducing many into the denial of original sin , is , the equalling God's Laws with the Laws of man ; ( which yet afford much matter for their confutation ) . Man's Laws meddle not so much with the heart , and are not a rule for mens secret thoughts , dispositions and inclinations , as God's Laws are ; for man knoweth not the heart , nor is made the judge of it , further than it is manifested by words or deeds : but the heart is as open to God as the actions , and the distempers of it as loathsome to him : and go . his Laws condemn even vitious dispositions and habits as such . 10. The will is the first defiled faculty and seat of sin : and all the rest of the faculties are capable of sin , but secondarily , and by participation from the will : and there is a threefold voluntariness . 1. There is an actual voluntariness , or volition . 2. An habitual or dispositive voluntariness . 3. A moral , that is , a reputative voluntariness . This last may be in several cases distinct from the two former . 1. In case a man by contract engage himself to stand to what another doth : though that other do somewhat that is against his will in the thing , yet his consent to the general hath made him guilty , as being reputatively willing of it . 2. In case a man will the cause of a necessary effect , or any way promote that effect , when he should not , he is reputatively willing of the effect . 3. In case a man by consent be a member of a society , whose constitution engageth all the members in a participation of their acts , and the consequents ; so that what is done by a major vote , is taken as the act of all , as to the good or evil consequents : here every member is reputatively an offender when the society offendeth , so far as that constitution engaged them . 4. In case of a natural power that another hath to choose or refuse for us : and this is the case of Parents and their infants , and ideot children , that having no capacity themselves to choose or refuse , their Parents wills are reputatively their wills , in all cases wherein their Parents have power to dispose of them ; as it is in cases of inheritance among us . So in Baptism the Parents have power to engage the child to Christ , as all the Jews had power ( and were bound ) to engage their children in covenant to God : where the child reputatively consenteth . So Adam having power to retain or reject that righteousness of nature which then he was possessed of , and might have derived to his posterity , and to choose life or death for himself , and ( in some sort ) for his posterity , we reputatively refused life in his refusal or rejection . III. I come now to the proof of the Thesis , [ that infants have original sin ] . Arg. 1. From Rom. 5. 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 , 16 , 17 , 18. If all have sinned , then infants have sinned ; ( and that can be only by original sin ) . But all have sinned : go . infants have sinned . Whether 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be [ in whom ] or [ in that ] or [ forasmuch as ] I make no great matter of . ( Though I see no reason but with the vulgar Latin , and others , we should turn it [ in quo ] ) . If infants have sin , it is as much as I am proving . The minor is expresly affirmed in ver . 12. [ all have sinned ] ; which is rendred in other words , ver . 19. [ many were made sinners ] . The consequence of the major can have nothing said against it , but that by [ All ] is meant only [ All the adult ] , and infants are excluded . But this is such wilful violence to the Text , as that all Scripture may by such interpretation be eluded , and words shall signify nothing . 1. The express universal affirmation may not be expounded by restraining terms , without some cogent reason : but here is no cogent reason brought , nor can be : all the reason of the adversaries is but the point now in question , which if they may beg , they may thence deny all Texts that be against them , because they are against them . 2. It is all men that die that the Apostle speaketh of : but infants die : go . he speaks of infants . The major is plain , v. 12. [ Death by sin ; and so death passed upon all men , for that all have sinned ] . Here the sinners and dyers are made the same ; and more than so , death is the effect of their [ having sinned ] : it go . passeth upon all men , for that all have sinned ; go . not without their sin . And the next verses fullier prove it purposely . Where death reigneth , there sin is imputed : but death reigneth on infants ; go . sin is imputed to infants : and also the [ All ] before mentioned includeth them ; for it is the same persons that the Apostle speaks of in these verses , 12 , 13 , 14. The major is proved from the 13 and 14 verses , else the Apostle's argument were vain ; for this is his medium to prove that sin was imputed before the Law , viz. because death reigned before the Law , even from Adam to Moses : go . the reign of death will prove the imputation of sin ; which is the same with [ having sinned ] , mentioned , ver . 12. It is the [ all that have sinned ] that are said to have sin imputed to them . 3. The All that have sinned , ver . 12. are the same All that are made righteous , and have the justification of life , and that shall reign in life by Jesus Christ , ver . 16 , 17 , 18 , 19. ( This is plain in the Context , in the opposition ) : But infants are included in the latter All [ that shall reign in life by Jesus Christ , &c. ] go . infants are included in the former All [ that have sinned ] . He that denieth the minor , must deny not only the Baptism , but the justification and salvation of all infants . 4. All old interpretations which the Churches have used , ( that are now most known ) , do shew , that thus they understood the Text. The Syriack turns it by [ so death passed on all the sons of men , for that all have sinned ] . The Arabick [ seeing all have now sinned ] referring to that past sin . The Ethiopick thus , [ And as by the iniquity of one man sin entred into the World , and by that sin death came upon all men , because that sin is imputed to all men , even to them that knew not what that sin is ] . Here is a Paraphrase instead of a Version , more fully to express this sense . The [ in quo ] makes the sense of the Latin Interpreter past doubt . This is the first argument from these verses . Arg. 2. from the same verses , especially 18 : They that are under condemnation by Adam's sin , have original sin ( at least the imputed part ) . But infants are under condemnation for Adam's sin : go . infants have original sin . If I prove no more but that [ they are under condemnation ] for the minor it is enough : for the consequence is thence apparent . The major is plain , in that condemnation is only for sin , ( and infants have no sin but original ) : 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is as essentially related to culpa , as poena is . The minor is proved from ver . 18. [ By the offence of one judgment came on all men to condemnation ] : or as the Syriack rendereth it , [ For the offence of one condemnation is on all ] : or as the Ethiopick , [ All men are condemned ] ; so ver . 15. [ Through the offence of one many are dead . ] That [ All men ] includeth infants here , the former arguments prove . This one 18 th . ver . of Rom. 5. were there no more in all the Scripture , is so plain for an imputation of Adams sin on all to condemnation , that it might end the controversy . Both major and minor I yet further confirm . 1. That it is a condemnation proving the condemned to be sinners by just imputation , is manifest , 1. in that ver . 13 , 14. sin is hence said to be imputed to the sufferers : 2. ver . 12. they are said to have sinned : 3. ver . 19. they are said to be made sinners . If any say that this signifieth but metonymically , [ to be used as sinners ] ; I answer , 1. He that would make what his list of God's plain words by pretended unproved metonymies , is not to be believed . 2. If it were true , yet it must mean such a using men as sinners , as implyeth them to be justly so reputed , and their being sinners must be connoted as the cause , as it is in all punishment . It is surely a penal evil to the adult , by the adversaries confession : and here 's no distinction . 3. To be [ made righteous ] , which is the opposite member , is more than to be [ used as righteous , though we have no sin at all inherent or imputed : go . to be [ made sinners ] is more than to be [ used as sinners , though we have no sin at all inherent , or imputed ] . 4. That evil interpretation doth but accuse God of injustice , of which anon . 2. And for the minor , it is sufficient to prove that infants are included ; 1. Because infants die on this account . 2. Because it is a [ being made sinners by one man's disobedience , ver . 19. ] and a being [ dead , and under condemnation through one man's offence ] , as ver . 15. 18. that is mentioned ; and those that are now adult , had their relation in infancy to Adam's offence as well as after . It is not actual sin that brings them to be thus related to Adam . It is both by one offence , ver . 18. and by the offence of one , ver . 17. and ver . 15. [ 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ] , in or by the sin of one . It is not go . the effect of actual sins of the adult , that the Apostle here principally speaks of , ( much less , only them ) : but it is the participation and imputation of that one mans offence , which he opposeth to the righteousness of one . Arg. 3. from the punishment of infants . If infants are punished , they have original sin . But infants are punished , go . they have original sin ; ( for they have no other ) . The consequence is certain , because it is essential to punishment to be propter malum morale , the effect of sin as the meritorious cause . All that requireth proof is the minor , which I have proved at large in another disputation ( of the guilt of our immediate Parents sins ) . To which I add ; 1. God doth not ( ordinarily at least ) afflict any rational creature with death , but for their sin . But God doth ordinarily afflict infants even with death : go . he doth it for their sin . The minor is too well known . The major I prove thus : 1. In the lamentations of Jeremy , the pains of the sucking children are mentioned often among the rest : and of all it s said , ch . 3. 33. [ For he doth not afflict willingly , nor grieve the children of men ] ; that is , He doth it not till he be provoked by their sins . But if he afflict even unto death , all infants ( that so die ) in the World without their desert by sin , then he doth it willingly ; even because he will do it , without their demerit . But [ wherefore doth a living man complain ? a man for the punishment of his sin ? ver . 39. ] Though it be the adult that principally complain , yet this intimateth that all suffer for their sin . Ezek. 18. 23. [ Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die , saith the Lord God ? ] 32. [ For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth , saith the Lord God ] . Ezek. 33. 11. [ Say unto them , As I live , saith the Lord God , I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked . Much less hath he so much pleasure in the death of innocents , as to kill them ordinarily without their desert . Rom. 6. 23. [ The wages of sin is death : ] Scripture speaks of no other death to man , but what is the fruit of sin . 1 Cor. 15. [ In Adam all die ; ] and Gen. 3. 19. [ Dust thou art , and to dust thou shalt return , ] extends to all the posterity of Adam ( ordinarily ) ; which shews some participation in the sin : or else why should we all participate so much of the suffering for it . 1 Cor. 15. 26. [ The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death ] . By enemy is meant a penal evil , which Christ was to remove as our Redeemer : go . even to infants , death is a penal evil . 1 Cor. 15. 56. [ The sting of death is sin , and the strength of sin is the Law ] ; that is , As a serpent could not wound us without its sting , so neither could death have any power over us to kill us , but for sin : nor sin have any force to oblige us to this punishment , but by the Law. This is spoken of the death of infants as well as others , ( unless you will deny their resurrection ) : go . sin is the sting , that is , the deserving cause , even of their death . Mic. 1. 5. [ For the transgression of Jacob is all this , and for the sins of the house of Israel ] . Hence Satan is said to have the power of death , Heb 2. 14. as the executioner of God's wrath for sin ; from whom Christ delivereth us . 2. If the death of infants be an act of God's justice on them , then it is a punishment : ( for it is no act of remunerative justice , go . it must be of punitive justice , if of any ) . But it is an act of God's justice on them ; as I prove . 1. It is the execution of God's sentence , Gen. 3. 19. go . it is an act of his justice on them that were sentenced : which was mankind . 2. It is their condemnation , Rom. 5. 18. go . it is an act of justice on them . 3. Subjects are ordinarily secured from being by their Soveraigns put to death without any desert of theirs , even by the justice of the Soveraign : but infants are God's subjects : go . ordinarily they are secured by his justice from being put to death by him without any desert of theirs . The major is proved , 1. From the very nature of Government and Justice . Governing Justice consisteth in giving to all the subjects according to their deserts , ut bonis bene sit , & malis male : go . to kill the innocent , and that ordinarily , is contrary to Governing Justice . 2. From the Law of Nature and Scripture ; which constantly threatneth the sinner , and only the sinner , and promiseth good to them that sin not . Now the contrary opinion , 1. either denieth God to be a King to infants , ( of which anon ) ; or , 2. denieth his Justice , 3. and nullifieth the use of his Law , which is to be Norma judicii . 2. That infants are God's subjects , is proved , 1. In that they are of the number of reasonable creatures , ( though yet they have not the use of reason , and go . are not perfect members of his Kingdom ) . 2. In that they are to be entred into the holy Covenant with him , as his subjects , ( Deut. 29. &c. ) 3. In that they have promises and threatnings in his Laws . 4. They are subjects in all particular Common-wealths , which are but parts of his universal Kingdom . But this I have proved at large in my Treatise of Infants Church-membership and Baptism . Obj. But God is an absolute Lord as well as a King or Ruler , and go . may do with his own as he list . Answ . His dominion or propriety is in order of nature antecedent to his Government or Kingdom , and so in that antecedent instant he may do with his own what he will ; and so he may still : but then by becoming a Governor to the rational nature , he thereby signifieth that he will give to all according to their works , or moral aptitude ; for God cannot be an unjust Governor ; nor without justice . And his Laws do signifie this yet more . Moreover , the contrary opinion overthroweth all our consolation , and leaveth us uncertain whether God will not damn all the godly ; at least it denieth them any comfort from the light or law of Nature , and the justice of God , though they had no sin of their own . For if God notwithstanding all his Governing Justice , may and do ordinarily kill the innocent because he is an absolute Lord , then he may damn the innocent hereafter for ought we know notwithstanding his governing justice : For instance , the adversaries must on the same grounds say , that for ought they know all infants that die in infancy are damned . For God may , no question , torment his own , as he is an absolute owner of them , as well as kill them . And if his natural justice give no security from damnation to the innocent , then neither can his righteous Laws , and then they can have no security at all : which is false and injurious to God and man. Obj. Bruits die without their desert . Answ . God is not the Rector of bruits , nor are they his subjects , and go . he is not engaged by any relation to deal with them in justice , nor are they capable of justice , remunerative or vindictive , nor are they under any Law. Arg. 4. Infants are capable of moral good , ( and have such ) : go . infants are capable of moral evil , ( and have it ) . The capacity is the chief thing in controversy : for if we prove that they are capable of having virtue or vice in habit or disposition , without consent , then I find none that will deny the consequence , that de facto they have it . That infants have moral good , is proved thus : 1. Else they could not be inwardly sanctified : 2. Else they did not morally differ one from another : 3. And so one were no more amiable to God than another : 4. Nor one any more fit for Heaven than another : and so none should be saved that die in infancy , as being unqualified for salvation : or if holiness inherent be needless , then all might be saved as well as any . 5. And then Baptism , nor any priviledges of holy birth , or dedication to God , could give no hope of any moral good upon them . 6. And thus they are made meer bruits that are capable of no moral good or evil . All which are most absurd , and disproved in my Treatise of Infant Baptism . The consequence is undeniable . If they are capable of moral good , without actual moral volitions , so are they of moral evil : for there is eadem ratio . If a disposition to holy action be a moral good or virtue , then a disposition to evil actions is vice or moral evil . Arg. 5. Infants have a privation of moral good : but a privation of moral good is a moral evil : go . infants have a moral evil . The major is proved , in that Adam's posterity should have been born in original righteousness , or moral goodness , if he had not sinned : go . it is a privation of a moral good to be born without it , and not a meer negation . The minor is undeniable ; privations belonging by reduction to the kind of that which they are a privation of : else a privation would be but a meer negation ; that is , no privation at all . Arg. 6. All that are the members of Jesus Christ , and saved by him , or for whom he died as a Redeemer , are ( when existent ) sinners : but infants are the members of Christ , and saved by him ; he is their Redeemer , and died for them : go . they are ( when existent ) sinners : go . they have original sin . The major I prove from Matth. 1. 21. [ Thou shalt call his name Jesus , for he shall save his people from their sins ] . If it be the very reason of his denomination , ( why he is called a Saviour ) , because he saveth his people from their sins , then he is a Saviour to none but sinners : but the antecedent is true : go . &c. The antecedent is in the Text most plain . The consequence is undeniable ; because the essence or formal reason denominateth : go . he can be called a Saviour to none other . And to prevent all cavils , note that , 1. it is sin it self , and not meer suffering , much less undeserved suffering that connoteth not sin as the cause , that is here mentioned . 2. That it is [ their sin ] , and not other mens sin , that they are said to be saved from . Nothing go . but violence can evade this evidence . Matth. 9. 12. The whole need not a Physitian , but the sick . To be sick is to be sinful : to be a Physitian is to be the Saviour : go . those that have no sin have no need of a Saviour . Eph. 5. 23 , 25 , 26 , 27. [ Christ is the Head of the Church , and Saviour of the Body ] : and how doth he save them ? [ Christ loved the Church , and gave himself for it , that he might sanctifie and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word ; that he might present it to himself a glorious Church , not having spot or wrinkle , or any such thing ] . So that to be a Saviour to the body , is to sanctifie , cleanse , and wash it , that it may be without spot . Those go . that have no spots or filth to be washed and cleansed from , cannot be of that body , or have Christ for their Saviour . Rev. 1. 5 , 6. The Apostle speaks in the name of the Church , [ Vnto him that hath loved us , and washed us from our sins in his own blood , — be glory , &c. ] If infants come to Heaven , they must give this praise to Christ for washing them from their sins , as well as others . His work on the Cross was to purge , or make purgation of sin , Heb. 1. 3. He died for our sins , 1 Cor. 15. 3. He died for us while we were sinners and enemies , to reconcile us to God , Rom. 5. 6 , 8 , 10. He came to give his life a ransome for many , Matth. 20. 28. He gave himself a ransome for all , 1 Tim. 2. 6. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree , that we being dead to sin , should live to righteousness , by whose stripes we are bealed , 1 Pet. 24 , 25. For Christ also once suffered for sins , the just for the unjust , that he might bring us to God , 1 Pet. 3. 18. Christ our Passover is sasacrificed for us , 1 Cor. 5. 7. He appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself , Heb. 9. 26. He was once offered to bear the sins of many , ver . 28. By his own blood he entred into the holy place , having obtained eternal Redemption . He offered himself without spot to God , to purge our consciences , &c. And for this cause he is the Mediator of the New Testament , that by means of death , for the redemption of the transgressions under the first Testament , they that are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance , Heb. 9. 12 , 14 , 15. He is the propitiation for the sins of the whole World , 1 Joh. 2. 2. If one died for all , then were all dead , 2 Cor. 5. 14. that is , in sin , and for sin . Joh. 1. 29 ; Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the World. A multitude of such passages of Scripture tell us , that Christ's death was for sinners only ; and go . that he died for none but sinners : for what need had the innocent of a satisfaction to Justice , and of a Sacrifice , and Ransome , and Redemption ? No one text of Scripture can be produced , in which Christ is said to die for any that had no sin , or to be the Redeemer or Saviour of any such . And go . to say that he died for infants , to procure them supernatural Grace , and Heaven , and not to save them from their sin , is vain . Scripture knows no such design of Christ's death . And the very privation of that rectitude which they call supernatural grace , is sin ; as is manifested : nor can a rational creature be shut out of Heaven , but penally for his sins ; it being a very grievous punishment . And for the minor , ( that Christ died for infants , and is their Saviour , &c. ) it 's proved : 1. In that he is oft said to die for all the World. 2. In that there is no other name under Heaven given by which we can be saved . 3. In that he hath taken infants into his Church and Covenant , before and since his incarnation : and took them in his arms and blessed them , and said his Kingdom was of such . 4. In that he would have gathered the Jewish infants with their Parents into his Church , Matth. 23. 37. 5. Else they are not Christians , ( no not imperfect ones ) , nor to be baptized . Many more proofs I have given in the foresaid Treatise of Infant Baptism . And few I think deny the minor . Arg. 7. All that ought to be baptized with the Christian Baptism , are sinners . But some infants ought to be baptized with the Christian Baptism : go . they are sinners . The minor I shall suppose to be proved in the foresaid Treatise . The major I have proved at large in my Disput . of Right to Sacraments : especially pag. 79 , 80. where it 's proved that Christ hath commanded or instituted no other Baptism but what is [ for remission of sin : ] ( to p. 88. ) The sign it self ( the washing by water , and burying under it , and rising from under ) sheweth that this is essential in the signification : what else but sin are we to be washed from ? Read over all the texts of Scripture that speak of Baptism , as instituted by Christ ; and when you have found that no one of them intimateth such a thing as baptizing them that are no sinners , washing them that are not unclean , then tell us why we should believe that there is such a thing . Nay it importeth a false dissimulation with God ; when we will assert infants to be washed by the blood of Christ , when we believe that they have no sin , and need no such washing . Arg. 8. If infants have no sin , they must either never come to Judgment , or be justified by the Law , or their meer innocency , without remission by a Redeemer : but the consequent is false : go . so is the antecedent . The consequence is undeniable , in that no justice can condemn the innocent : the Law will justify them that have no sin ; for its commination hath nothing against them : such go . need not pardon by a Redeemer . The falshood of both parts of the consequent , is proved easily . 1. Many Scriptures shew that all men shall be judged , Heb. 9. 27. all that die . Rom. 14. 12. Joh. 5. 28 , 29. all that are in the graves ; with many such places . 2. If infants be not judged , they would neither be justified nor condemned : but that 's not true , go . &c. 2. And that all infants ( nor any ) are not justified by the Law , or their own Innocency , is plain in the Apostle's arguings , Rom. 3. 4 , and 5. throughout : and in the Epist . to Galat. Rom. 3. 20. by the deeds of the Law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight . Rom. 4. proveth that even to Abraham and his seed justification was by remission of sin through faith in Christ , and not by the Law , or their own innocency . And if it was so with Abraham's seed , it is so still with our seed . Arg. 9. Rom. 3. 23. 9 , 10 , &c. All have sinned , and come short of the Glory of God , being justified freely by his Grace , through the redemption that is in Jesus Christ , whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation , &c. go . infants have sinned , and come short of the Glory of God , and must be justified by this propitiation for sin . Ver. 9. We have before proved that Jews and Gentiles are all under sin . Ver. 19. That every mouth may be stopped , and all the World may become guilty before God. If men will groundlesly say that all these universals are to be limited to the adult , they do but say they will believe what they list , and words shall signifie what they will. Obj. The Text speaks of actors in sin . Answ . True , because it speaks of all the World , among whom the adult ( actors ) were the principal part . Obj. The word [ All ] is to be taken limitedly in many other Texts . Answ . 1. What of that ? shall we go . deny its properest signification , without a proved necessity ? and shall words be taken improperly by us at our pleasure , because they are so sometimes where we may prove it ? 2. Will you allow this plea to them , that use it against the texts that speak for [ Christ's dying for all ] : when yet they have as fair pretence ? 3. The scope of the Apostle , and the oft repeated universals , plainly shew that it is the guilt and condemnation on one side , and the justification on the other side , of all simply , that are condemned or justified , even of all the World , that he speaks of . And he lays the strength of his Argument upon the universality : for if any might have pleaded not-guilty before God , and justified by the Law , or their Innocency , it had spoil'd the Apostle's argument . So many plain Scriptures are not to be forced . Arg. 10. If infants ( without a Redeemer ) should have been all shut out of Heaven , and denied everlasting happiness , then are they guilty of original sin . But the Antecedent is true : go . so is the Consequent . The minor is granted by those that do oppose us . If it were not , it 's easily proved , 1. From all those Scriptures that appropriate salvation to the Church , and to the members of Christ , and to such as have it by his purchase and procurement , who hath the keys of the Kingdom . 2. From those Scriptures that tell us that if any have not the Spirit of Christ , the same is none of his , Rom. 8. 9. and that without holiness none shall see God , Heb. 12. 14. and that except a man be regenerate , and new Born , he cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven ; with many the like . 3. From the incapacity of an unholy soul to see and love God , and so to be happy ; it being a contradiction . And God hath given us no ground to believe that he will sanctify all infants after death : and that without any satisfaction for their sin by the death of Christ . The consequence of the major proposition is proved thus : Infants having souls made capable of immortality , either shall live immortally , or not : If not , that privation of everlasting life is an evil so great , that any rational man would choose a perpetual tolerable punishment to escape it : and God would not thus use so many subjects of his Kingdom , to whom he hath undertaken to be a King , and judge them righteously , and all without any measure of sin in them . And I find not yet that the adversaries assert this : If they do , they make infants to be but meer bruits ; ( of which anon ) . If they live an immortal life , ( and rise with others ) , then either in Heaven , or out of Heaven , in happiness , or not : If not in happiness , ( which is before proved , and by them granted ) , then it must be in misery : 1. Because the very privation of that happiness is half hell and more . 2. Because there is no middle state to a living rational creature : they will have feeling and knowledge ; and go . they shall feel good or evil to them : and they cannot but know that they are deprived of Heaven and Happiness ; which knowledge must cause a positive grief . And thus God doth afflict them by the greatest privation , and some positive pain : which Reason , or Scripture , or his relation of a righteous King and Judge , will not suffer us to think that he doth without any sin of theirs . For shall not the Judge of all the World do righteously ? Will he destroy the righteous with the wicked ? far be it from him , Gen. 18. 23 , 24 , 25. Had all the infants of the old World , of Sodom , of Amalek , of Midian , been wholly free from participating in sin , they had not been destroyed by a righteous Judge . Arg. 11. If infants are under God's displeasure , or deprived of his acceptance and complacency , then are they guilty of original sin : but the antecedent is true : go . so is the consequent . If they were in the favour of God , they would be saved ; ( for all the subjects of his Kingdom have the blessings and rewards of loyal subjects , that are in favour with him ) : but without Christ and pardon through his blood , they would not be saved : go &c. If they were not under his displeasure , he would not deny them his sanctifying grace , and heavenly inheritance , which they are capable of , and which is the portion of his faithful ones . But these he doth deny to some , and would deny to more , or all , if it were not for their pardon and reconciliation through Christ . Nor would he torment them with pain , ( as he doth many in this life ) , and after kill them , ( and then shut them out of Heaven ) , if he were well pleased with them . The consequence is proved , in that nothing but sin can make God displeased with a rational creature . Only moral evil can deprive them of his favour . Were original corruption but malum physicum , such a natural evil as blindness , lameness , sickness , madness , &c. God would not withdraw his favour for it . Man hateth a serpent or a toad that have no sin , because their natures are contrary to ours : but no meer physical evil is evil to God , or contrary to his nature , and go . none such is hated by him A toad is no more contrary or odious to God than a lark : go . for such evil , infants could not fall under his displeasure . He loves the sick , the lame , the leprous , as well as the most sound . Arg. 12. Infants have a nature derived from their Parents , who were corrupt and guilty : go . they cannot be uncorrupt and innocent . The antecedent is undeniable . The reason of the consequence is , because the cause can produce no effect that 's better than it self . What the effect receiveth , is from its cause : and the cause cannot give that which it hath not : go . Adam could not convey to Cain or Abel by generation a nature that was innocent and holy , when he had none but a guilty sinful nature himself . As when Adam had sinned , each part of his body did bear its part in the guilt ; and if a leg or an arm had been cut off from him , that cutting off would not make it become innocent ; but at the resurrection it shall bear its share of penalty , so the embrio , and the seed , blood , and spirits that caused it , were as real parts of the Parents once , as a leg or arm ; and when they were parts , they could not be innocent : ( otherwise you may as well say that the hand or foot was innocent ) : and go . they could not meerly by birth become innocent . It is not the separation of the infant from the mother , that can put away the guilt that once it had . If any say that a leg or arm themselves have no sin or guilt , but all is in the will ; they must then make the body to be no part of the man , and must deny its pain , and its resurrection to everlasting pain or joy . It 's granted that the will is the first and chief seat of moral good or evil : but from thence the whole man doth participate thereof : and go . it is the man that is condemned or justified , punished or rewarded , and not the will only . Obj. But the soul was no part of the Parent , though the body were : no nor the body neither , for it is in a continual flux , and we have not the same body at seven years old , which we received from our Parents . Answ . 1. This argument ( as to the body ) is it by which our novel Infidels do think to reason us out of the belief and hopes of a resurrection of these same numerical bodies : and by the same reason you may as effectually prove , that the body that committeth murder or adultery this year , and dies seven years after , shall not be condemned or punished for it ; because it is not the same body that committed the sin : but this ingenious folly will save none from punishment , nor prove them guiltless of original sin . So much is permanent , as doth essentially constitute and identify the body . And for the soul , 1. It is certain that it is essential to the man , and certain that man begets a man ; and go . certain that man begets the soul . And though it be not by partition of the Parents soul , yet is it a true generation : and go . the man begotten can be no better than he that begat . Obj. If you say that the soul is ex traduce you will make it material , and so mortal , and a compound of two communicated souls conjoyned , viz. the Fathers and the Mothers , &c. Answ . If by materia , be meant substantia , quae potentia corpus est , or substantia incompleta in potentia ad omnes formas , which is Aristotle's materia prima ; or if any element , or any body be hereby meant , so we deny that the soul is material , or that it is hence inferred to be such . But if material be extended as far as substantial , or so far as to comprehend spirits ( improperly ) , then it is granted on both sides , that the soul is material . But supposing it taken in the usual sense , I answer , that God can cause spiritual substances to propagate their kind : and go . such propagation proveth neither their materiality or mortality ; no more than the creation of the first animals proved their immortality : nor is it any inconvenience to grant , that two souls do joyn in the communicative generation of a third , as long as it is not by partition , or deperdition of any of their substance ; no more than that two candles conjoyned should light a third . But the large handling of this would require more time and words than we shall now spare . I refer the Reader therefore to those that have handled this subject on purpose ; and particularly to Micraelius in his Ethnophronius . It is not a Traduction e potentia materiae that we maintain . The materiale seminis is but as the oyle to the flame , to which the soul is conjunct . The semen containeth quid immateriale ; the soul is in it , not only in potentia , but in actu , as it is in the leg or arm of a man. If you object that then the soul is divided , and part of it dieth quum semen ejicitur & moritur : I answer ; Not so ; no more than it is divided when a man is beheaded , or dieth when a leg or arm dieth that is cut off . In brief , we must not argue ab ignotiore ; nor deny a plain and certain truth , ( that man begets man ) , because we are uncertain of the manner of the propagation . As men do in the controversy about Grace and Free-will , so do they in this : they divide what are to be conjoyned , for fear of giving too much to the other side . As one denieth special ascertaining Grace , and another denieth Free-will , when that Grace worketh by this Free-will ; so some deny God's part in the causing of the soul , and some deny man's part , because they are unskilful in discerning the concourse . God doth as much in it , as if man did nothing : and is as fully the cause as if it were by a meer creation , and man were no cause : and yet he causeth it by man , even in the way of natural procreation , which by a stablished Law he appointed in the beginning ; and then gave man a living soul that might propagate living souls . And more than so , it is the soul that is the principal in procreating and being procreated : and that spark of immortal life that is in semine , doth by due cherishing of the further causes , fabricate its own body : and the soul ( as Scaliger saith , ex Themistio ) , sui domicilii non inquilina tantum est , sed & architecta ( under God ) . And we are most certain that our knowledge of the way or manner of God's influx into , and concourse with second causes , is so much above our reach , that we are unfit from presumptions about such a mystery , to argue against a revealed truth . Nay , when we have conjectured at the manner , it is our wisest course to confess we know it not . But as the wind bloweth where it listeth , and we hear the sound of it , but know not whence it cometh , or whither it goeth , so is it in the out-goings of the spirit of God for the new birth , and in like manner of his causation of the natural birth . But of these things we are certain ; 1. That the Parents beget the child : man begets man ; by virtue of the nature , first given them , with the law or blessing annexed , Increase and multiply ; and God's continued influence . 2. That man's soul is not debilitated in its vegetative and sensitive operations , by being rational : 3. That go . man begetteth not less than bruits . He that saith the soul , as vegetative and sensitive , is not begotten , makes man to beget less than bruits . 4. Yea he makes him to beget nothing : for the body or meer matter is not begotten , but with the soul , nor would the semen inanimatum come to be an embrio . 5. We are sure that semen in corpore animatur anima illius cujus est corpus . 6. The conceit of two or three souls , ( which is the last refuge ) , and that the rational only is created , is at large confuted by many ; and it feigneth man not to procreate his kind , when bruits do theirs ; nor to beget children indeed , but something else that is irrational . And yet even this way , ( supposing God to have at the creation by a decree , annexed his creating act of the rational soul , to mans procreating of the sensitive ) , the propagation of original sin might be defended . Obj. But by this doctrine still God is made the cause of the sin : for you say he is the total cause of the soul , even as much as if man were no cause . Answ . God causeth it two waies : 1. At the first creation of man , he put a virtue into the souls of our first Parents to propagate their like , on supposition of his requisite universal influx , to bring that cause or virtue into act . 2. As an universal cause he effectually procureth second causes to do their part , and draweth forth their virtue , and communicateth on his part all that belongeth to the universal cause to communicate . Now if God be the Author of Original sin , it must be by one of these two acts , viz. by Creation , or by his universal Causation and influence : but it is by neither of these . Not by creation , giving the generative specifying virtue to man : for he made man upright , and commanded him to continue so , and so it was an upright nature that he should have propagated , if he himself had not depraved it by sin . Not by his universal concourse or causality ; for that causeth only the soul as such , and not as defective or corrupted : as the Sun causeth the life of a toad as well as of a lion , and of a stinking weed as well as of a flower of the greatest beauty and sweetness ; but is no cause of the ugly venemous nature of the toad , or of the stinking nature of the weed , save only by accident ; nor is it any fault in the Sun , that such creatures are generated by it : so though God is the cause of generation by his universal influx , yet is he not the cause of Original sin : for the universal cause supposing the specifying virtue in the seed , doth work on all things according to their natures : and though God was and is the specifying cause by creating the procreating force in man , yea and by his constant creative emanation , yet he created not the vice , and go . is not the cause of that . Obj. But a lame man doth not beget a lame child ; nor a blind man a blind child . Why then should a sinner beget a sinner , and corrupted Parents have a corrupted issue ? Answ . The eye and leg are not the soul , which hath the generative power , nor yet essential parts of the body . But let any of the essentials of the body ( as the brain or heart ) be depraved , and it will appear in the issue , ( especially if it be so with both the Parents ) : much more when the soul is depraved , by whose power the body it self is formed , and which is most essential to the man , the pravity must needs be communicated . Lameness and blindness in the Parents alter not the procreating seed , but consist with its integrity . But none can communicate that which he hath lost , and hath not either actually or virtually himself . Obj. Righteousness and holiness were not communicable by natural generation if Adam had not fallen : go . by generation we have no privation of them . Answ . 1. The antecedent is false : they would have been propagated to posterity as health and beauty to the body , as I proved in the beginning . 2. If generation as such had not conveyed them , yet if God had affixed , by a standing law , his supernatural gifts to natural procreation , it would have proved ( against the consequent ) that we are sinfully defective in being without them . Obj. Learning and wisdom are not now derived to posterity . Answ . Nor any thing that is acquired , and not natural . Obj. Godliness is not now conveyed by nature : go . it should not have been so then . Answ . I deny the consequence : 1. Because that holiness that was natural then , is supernatural now . You may propagate eye-sight to your children because it is natural : but you can neither restore your own , nor theirs , when it is put out , without a supernatural power . 2. Because though Adam was our natural head and root , and so had power to hold or lose the grace which he had received for himself and us , yet when it came to the work of our restoration , he being utterly insufficient to recover himself or us , the work is put into another hand , and Jesus Christ the second Adam is now our Root and Head ; and as he purchased all , so all our mercies are at his disposal , and he giveth them out as he seeth meet : and go . as he gave Adam pardon and holiness for himself , so will he give to all his members for themselves ; himself being still the treasury of his Church , and keeping the keys of life in his own hands . 3. Sanctification is imperfect in this life , and go . leaving some corruption , no wonder if that be propagated by the best . 4. But yet as Adam should have conveyed an innocent holy nature to his children if he had not lost it ; even a legal righteousness , such as he had himself : so now ( though generation do it not , yet ) Christ in his Gospel Covenant hath made over a Gospel Righteousness to the infants of the sanctified , ( who devote themselves and their children unto God in the Baptismal Covenant ) : so that as posterity is unhappy through their first Parents sin , so children may recover happiness from Christ by means of their Parents faith and holiness , and dedicating them to God in Christ . Obj. Foolish Parents beget wise children : go . wicked Parents may beget godly children . Answ . 1. I grant that God may graciously sanctifie the seed of the ungodly : but that is not by their procreation . 2. I deny the consequence ; because that foolishness comes from the distemper of the organs , and the bodies ineptitude to serve the soul , and no alteration may be made by it upon the seed of generation . But when the soul is depraved by sin , there is no virtue left in nature to rectify that by generation , and hinder the propagation of the pravity . 3. And still as to guilt , all these objections say nothing . No man can convey the innocency which he had not . Obj. Adam when he was pardoned had no guilt : go . he could not convey what he had not . Answ . 1. There is a threefold guilt : 1. Reatus facti : 2. Reatus culpae : 3. Reatus ad poenam . To be guilty of the fact , is to be truly one that did commit it , or participated therein . To be guilty of the fault , is to be truly culpable by reason of that fact , it being really a fault . These two God taketh not away by pardon ; for it is impossible that which is done should be undone , or that which was a fault should be no fault . The third , which is the obligation to punishment , is it that is done away by pardon . Now suppose this perfectly done away to Adam , or any godly man , yet this pardon is but for himself , and he propagateth to his children the two former , ( reatum facti & culpae ) , which were never done away ; and then the third ( obligation to punishment ) will follow immediately per nudam resultantiam , as long as they have themselves no pardon . 2. Christ is the Quickening Spirit , though Adam was a Living Soul ; and Christ is now the Fountain of Grace , and gives it out in the measure , and on the terms that he seeth meet : And as God past sentence on mankind , before he granted his pardon to Adam , and promised the Messiah ; so his pardon was no full remitting of that sentence , but such a personal remission to Adam , as should consist with much punishment ( in his imperfection in grace , and his toyl , and labour , and death , &c. ) and with the guilt of his posterity , till each man received from Christ the Mediator his own remission . And so as he gave in the promise a pardon to Adam , he hath on the same condition given it to all . Adam had not power to cure himself when he had poisoned his nature : but Christ being become the common Physitian , hath prepared a remedy for him and us ; and if we take it as Adam did , we shall be healed : And the infants are included in the Covenant with their Parents . So that notwithstanding all these objections , the 12th . Argument standeth good . Arg. 13. If natural corruption be in infants viciously disposing them to evil , and against good , then original sin is in them . But such corruption is in them : go . &c. The minor is proved by the common experience of the World. All infants shew their inclination to sin as soon as they can act it : yea so strong and obstinate doth it prove , that frequently it resisteth all the endeavours of the most prudent , diligent , godly Parents that would root it up ; and of Masters and Teachers that apply both Doctrine and Discipline against it . And never is it conquered but by special grace ; and never is it so restrained in any that live to the use of reason , as not to break out into many actual sins . And if all men in all ages in all the World do sin , and frequently sin , it shews that there is some corrupt inclination in the nature of man to sin ; for the effect revealeth the cause : ( yea it is so great corruption as to lead into some kind of moral necessity of sinning , or moral impossibility of not sinning ; or else some one in the World would have escaped it : which none did but Christ ; and the Papists except but the Virgin Mary . ) Obj. Adam sinned , that yet had no corruption . Answ . The fall of one or two may come from wilful carelesness , or inconsiderateness , where there is no corrupt inclination antecedent : but so cannot the fall of all the World ; especially their so frequent falls , and ordinary obstinacy in sin . If now and then a man only should die , we might impute it to some accident ; but when all mankind dieth , we are convinced that mortality ( even a disposedness to death in some sort necessitating it ) is become natural to him : so here . Obj. Infants have the use of sense as soon as they are born , and are long coming to the use of reason , and reason is long weak when sense is strong , and this by reason of infancy as such , and go . in all this time the prevalency of sense can be no sin : and so long a prevalency must needs breed a habit : and this is it which you take for original corruption . Answ . 1. If sin had not made the appetite inordinate , infants might have lived till they had overgrown their infancy without transgressing : an ordinate appetite would have carried them to no inordinate acts . And they would not have been so liable to many of those evils that now provoke their passion : and to cry when they are hurt , would be no sin . And so as they had grown up , their temptations would have been but proportionable to their reason ; and go . they might well have overcome them . As children have not the reason of grown men , so neither have they their temptations . They have not worldly riches , or honours , or dignities to care for ; they are not tempted to the sins of lust . And as now the love of their Parents keepeth them , even in childhood , from transgressing the commands of their Parents , and maketh them desirous to please them , so would the love of God have made them desirous to please him , and keep his commands . 2. We see sin now break out in children , before custom can engage them to such a habit , and against that custom which Parents engage them in against it , and with greater obstinacy than that meer custom could so soon produce . So much for the minor . The consequence of the major is proved , 1. From the purity of God's nature and of his Law , and from the nature of this corruption . This corruption is a disconformity to the holy nature , will and law of God , and that in his subjects : go . it is sin . The inclinations contrary to his holy nature and image , in a rational creature , must needs be abhorred of God , because they are such . And the fleshly mind , the body of death , is contrary to the Law. 2. These same corruptions which are born with us , remain in the unsanctified ( and partly in others ) till they come to age , and then they are sin , ( even the same degree that was born with us : for it is not only the degree that custom after superaddeth that is sin ) . Certainly that absence of good , and backwardness to it , and proneness to evil , is sin in the adult : go . it was sin before . For it was the same thing , and in a true subject , capable of vice and virtue . 3. The only Argument against it is vain ; viz. from the involuntariness , as shall be shewed . Arg. 14. Adam and Eve had moral good before any actual volition : go . infants are capable of moral good before any actual volition : and consequently actual volition , or willing , is not of necessity to the morality of a habit or inclination ; and go . they are capable of moral evil . The antecedent is proved by the concession of all , that Adam had ( whether naturally or supernaturally ) the image of God , and virtue or holiness ut principium , before he acted it : and so had original righteousness ( by creation or gift ) , which was bonum morale , and made him capable of the divine complacency and acceptance . The parity of reason proveth the consequences . Or if there be any disparity , it makes against the adversary ; infants being virtually pre-existent in their Parents . Arg. 15. The doctrine that numbreth infants with bruits , in point of morality and felicity , is false : but such is that doctrine which denieth original sin : go . &c. The major is proved , 1. In that they have immortal souls , and virtually rational . 2. They are under many promises and threats that are mentioned in the Scripture . 3. They are disciples of Christ , and members of his Church . The minor is plain : 1. In that they make infants uncapable of any moral evil eo nomine because they have no actual volition , or choice . 2. And thereby they conclude them uncapable of moral good . 3. And thereby they conclude them uncapable of judgment . 4. And of any rewards . 5. And of any punishments . 6. And they say they are under no law , or obligation . 7. And go . they can be no subjects of Christ's Kingdom , or members of his Church . Only , God may do with them what he will : and so he may with bruits . Arg. 16. The infants of the unbelieving Gentiles were sinners , and children of wrath : go . infants are capable of sin , and some ( at least ) are sinners , &c. The antecedent is proved from Gal. 2. 15. [ We Jews by nature , ( or birth ) and not sinners of the Gentiles ] , i. e. by nature . 1 Cor. 7. 14. [ Else were your children unclean , but now are they holy ] . The Anabaptists make this to speak but of legitimation . The Papists by [ being unclean ] think nothing is meant but being not baptizable ; and to be holy , they think is but to be baptizable , and and that a posteriore , because it is presumed that such infants will be religiously educated : but Christ hath instituted no Baptism but what is for remission of sin : and he doth not actually remit sin to some more than to others , upon a presumption of the Church that they will hereafter be educated as Christians . There is some holiness mentioned by the Apostle , which is the reason why those infants more than others are to be admitted to Baptism , which supposeth and signifieth it : and that cannot be only a thing future and uncertain . Divines commonly call it ( among Protestants ) a federal holiness ; and that this supposeth infants capable of moral good and evil , I have shewed on this Text in my Treatise of Infants Baptism . Eph. 2. 3. [ And were by nature the children of wrath , even as others ] . Forasmuch as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth nature , birth , or natural disposition , properly , and signifieth custom only by a rare and improper acception ; go . it is not here to be interpreted by [ custom ] , without such cogent evidence , as none hath yet given us . Those that attempt a collecting of testimonies for this improper use sometimes , do give us many that make against them . There is no necessity that will warrant our reception of such a tropical and unusual sense . Job . 11. 12. [ For vain man would be wise ; though man be born as a wild asses colt ] , that is , of a rude , sottish , unruly disposition . Ezek. 16. 2 , 3 , 4. [ Son of man , cause Jerusalem to know her abominations , and say , Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem , Thy Birth and thy Nativity is of the Land of Canaan , thy Father was an Amorite , and thy Mother an Hittite ; and as for thy Nativity , in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut , neither wast thou washed , &c. ] This allegory sheweth that part of Jerusalem ' s abhomination was natural from the birth : and nothing but sin is abhomination before God. Job 25. [ How then can man be justified with God ? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman ? ] 15. 14. [ What is man that he should be clean , and he that is born of a woman that he should be righteous ? ] The illustration that is fetch'd from the natural weakness and impurity of the Heavens , the Moon , the Stars , doth not contradict the exposition of the former words , as of moral impurity ; for the impurity is according to the subject : and natural impurity is not unrighteousness . Arg. 17. From the necessity of regeneration . Joh. 3. 3 , 5 , 6. Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God : — That which is born of the flesh , is flesh ; and that which is born of the spirit , is spirit . If there be a necessity of a new birth to make us spiritual , ( the first birth bringing forth but flesh ) , before we can enter into the Kingdom of God , then by the first birth we are born in sin . But the antecedent is certain : go . so is the consequent . The minor is plain in the Text , 1. That flesh begets not spirit , but flesh : 2. That regeneration is therefore of absolute necessity . At present , I will suppose that by flesh here is not meant sin , ( that the adversary may not think I beg any thing of him ) . The consequence of the major hath this double proof , 1. Because flesh without spirit in a rational creature is sinful , or morally corrupt : for being deprived of the spirit , it is deprived of moral good . 2. Because nothing but sin can keep a rational creature , and subject of God , out of Heaven : for to be kept out of Heaven , is one half ( at least ) of the damned's misery : and to live and know that loss , ( as immortal souls must do ) , will produce also positive punishment . Arg. 18. That doctrine is untrue which maketh God the Author of sin ; but so doth the denial of Original sin : go . it is untrue . The major will be granted . The minor I prove . The doctrine which feigneth that innocent nature is under such a moral impossibility of not sinning , as that no one person in all the World , that hath the use of reason , shall escape it , doth feign God to be the Author of sin . But so doth their doctrine that deny original sin : go . it feigneth God to be the Author of sin . Or , The doctrine which feigneth that innocent nature doth sin for want of necessary grace to escape it , doth make God the Author of sin . But so doth the denial of original sin : go . &c. For the proof of the major of both Arguments , consider , 1. That the adversaries suppose nature in infants to be innocent ; 2. That it is granted by them , that de facto all men that have the use of reason are sinners , except Jesus Christ : ( the Papists except also the Virgin Mary ) . If they denied this , it 's easily proved , 1. By the common experience of the World , ( as to the generality ) . 2. By plain Scripture . 1 Joh. 1. 8. 10. If we say that we have no sin , we deceive our selves , and the truth is not in us . — If we say that we have not sinned , we make him a liar , and his word is not in us . Jam. 3. 2. For in many things we offend all . Eccl. 7. 20. For there is not a just man on earth , that doth good , and sinneth not . And that there is a moral impossibility to escape sin , appeareth , 1. By the universality of the event : that which no man in all the World in any age attaineth to , notwithstanding all the helps vouchsafed , is morally impossible . 2. And the Scripture assertion proveth it , in that it alloweth us to conclude it of all that we know not , and of those that are yet unborn . And that the World sinneth for want of necessary grace ( to innocent nature , as the adversaries think ) is plain : for necessary grace hath some sufficiency to its ends : and go . it it is called sufficient grace by the adversaries commonly : But that which never attaineth its end in any one person in the World , in their own judgment is not sufficient . It is their common ( and last ) argument against our doctrine of special effectual grace given to all the elect , as distinct from that sufficient grace which ( say the Dominicans ) is given to others ; that the grace is not sufficient that never proveth effectual in any . We may much more confidently say so here , when we speak of the whole World , that the grace is not sufficient that never is , was , or will be effectual in any . If it suffice to make the event naturally possible , yet not to remove the moral impossibility . 3. And that God is the Author of the Law that forbiddeth sin , and of innocent nature , is granted , and past doubt . The certainty of this universal event cannot come from a contingent cause as such . The will is naturally free that chooseth , but it is not morally free ; or else the World would not choose evil . So that it is certain that if there be no original sin , the cause of this universal event ( that all men sin ) must be resolved to be somewhat in nature , or something in providence , of which God is the cause . If God have so framed pure nature , and so order the affairs of the World , that no man on earth shall eventually escape the sin , which he so much prohibiteth and abhorreth , it must needs follow that he is the moral reputative cause at least . And yet it is one of the pretences against the doctrine of original sin , that it maketh God the Author of it in infants , when it 's they that make him the Author of it in all . Seeing therefore that sin hath so overspread the World , that all men sin in all Countries , in all Ages , ( except Christ ) , this must proceed either from mans natural principles , and so be chargeable upon God his Maker , or it is the fruit of original sin , and to be charged on our first Parents , and our selves . Arg. 19. If infants have in their corrupted natures a virtual enmity to God and Holiness , then have they original sin : but such an enmity they have , ( I mean in disposition , seed , or habit ) : go . they have original sin . The antecedent or minor I prove , 1. From the common experience of the World , that manifest such an enmity as soon as they come to the use of reason , and that maintain it so obstinately , till renewing grace do overcome it . How early do they shew an aversness to the work and ends for which they were created ? How little do the precepts of Parents , or Teachers , and all the means of grace themselves , to conquer it in the most ? And where it is most conquered , ( even in the godly ) , it is most confessed , because there is a troublesome remnant of it still : so that there is no man in the World that hath not more or less of it in him ; the wicked being under the power of it , and the godly under the trouble of these remainders . 2. From Gen. 3. 15. Joh. 3. 5 , 6. Rom. 8. 3 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9. Rom. 7. 21 , 23 , 24 , 25 , compared . In Joh. 3. 6. we find , that flesh begets but flesh , [ That which is born of the flesh ; is flesh ] , and that go . a new birth by the spirit is necessary to make us spiritual , ( of which before ) . In Rom. 8. we find , that it was through the flesh that the Law was weak , and that God sending his son in the likeness of sinful flesh , ( not as sinful , but as flesh ) , and for sin condemned sin in the flesh : Where it is undeniable that by [ flesh ] is not meant sin it self ; for then it had not been called sinful , nor the subject of sin , nor Christ said to have taken the likeness of it : and go . the word [ flesh ] here is taken in no worse a sense than in Joh. 3. 6. We find here also that all flesh is universally called sinful , which Christ took the likeness of . And Christ took the likeness of infants , and that first , only growing up to the likeness of the adult : infants go . have sinful flesh . And ver . 5 , 6. This flesh as the principle that prevaileth in some , is opposed to the spirit which prevaileth in others , and their fruits opposed : the one sort mind fleshly things , the other spiritual things ; and death belongs to one , and life and peace to the other . And ver . 7. [ The carnal mind is enmity against God ; for it is not subject to the Law of God , neither indeed can be ] . And ver . 8. They that are in the flesh cannot please God ; that is , they that have not the spirit to subdue and mortify the flesh , as it is explained ver . 9. And [ if any man have not the spirit of Christ , he is none of his ] . So that flesh without spirit ( which is now mans natural estate ) is a principle of enmity and rebellion , and proves men none of Christ's , and in a state of death . And many Expositors judge that in Gen. 3. 15. such ( being none of Christ's till they have the spirit ) are annumerated to the serpents seed , that hath the enmity against the spiritual seed : which so sheweth it self when they come to age , that as Cain by Abel , and Ishmael by Isaack , so still , [ He that is born after the flesh , persecuteth him that is born after the spirit ] , ( if not restrained ) , Gal. 4. 29. And Rom. 7. 18. [ I know that in me , that is , in my flesh , dwelleth no good thing ] , that is , in Paul , so far as he was without the spirit . And as this innate universal enmity is thus proved , so it is proved to be sin ; 1. By the Law of nature , which tells us that an habitual enmity of the rational creature against God and Holiness , is sin , if any thing be sin . It is an inclination or disposition contrary to the primitive nature and moral image of God in man , and contrary to what our relation to God importeth ; and as it is commonly said of actual hatred of God , it may as truly , if not much more evidently be said of this dispositive virtual enmity , that it is an evil that cannot become good , and so naturally sin , that it can be no other . 2. It 's proved to be sin by the express assertion of the Text. Rom. 8. 3. 10. it is sinful flesh , and the subject of sin , till the spirit come . Ver. 9. it proves them none of Christ ' s. Rom. 7. 14. 17. 20. 24 , 25. it is called [ in-dwelling sin ] , and [ a Law of sin ] , and [ to be carnal ] , is [ to be sold under sin ] . 3. From the effects , which nothing can produce but sin . They cannot be subject to the Law of God : They please not God : To be carnally minded is death , &c. Rom. 8. So 1 Cor. 2. 14. The natural ( meerly animal man now in his corrupt estate ) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God , for they are foolishness to him : nor can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned . And it can be no better than sin that maketh spiritual things seem foolishness . All the other Texts of Scripture commonly urged for Original sin , I purposely pass over , because in Commentaries and Controversies they are so frequently handled . Arg. 20. My last Argument is from the universal consent of the Church of God , if not of most of the Philosophers also . In so great a point , it is not safe to go against the consent of the universal Church , that hath so much in Scripture to encourage and warrant it : But the deniers of Original sin do go against the consent of the universal Church , as is proved , 1. From the known confessions of all the Churches that own Original sin . 2. In that general Councils have asserted it ; 3. And have condemned those as Hereticks that denied it . And so did divers received Provincial Councils . I shall now recite only the words of the Concil . 2. Melevitan . Arausican . and the Popish Council of Trent . The first , Can. 2. saith , Item placuit ut quicunque parvulos recentes ab uteris matrum baptizandos negat , aut dicit in remissionem quidem peccatorum eos baptizari , sed nihil ex Adam trahere Originalis peccati quod regenerationis lavacro expietur , unde sit consequens ut in eis forma baptismatis in remissionem peceatorum non vera sed falsa intelligatur , Anathema sit : Quoniam non aliter intelligendum est quod ait Apostolus [ Per unum hominem peccatum intravit in mundum , & per peccatum mors , & ita in omnes homines pertransiit , in quo omnes peccaverunt ] nisi quemadmodum Ecclesia Catholica ubique diffusa semper intellexit : Propter hanc enim regulam fidei , etiam parvuli qui nihil peccatorum in semetipsis adhuc committere potuerunt , ideo in peccatorum remissionem veraciter baptizantur , ut in eis regeneratione mundetur , quod generatione traxerunt . Augustine was one in this General Council . So Arausican . 2. Can. 1. and 2. Siquis soli Adae praevaricationem suam , non & ejus propagini asserit nocuisse , aut certe mortem tantum corporis , quae poena peccati est , non autem & peccatum , quod mors est animae , per unùm hominem in omne genus humanum transiisse testatur , injustitiam Deo dabit , contradicens Apostolo dicenti , Per unum hominem peccatum intravit in mundum , & per peccatum mors in omnes homines pertransiit , in quo omnes peccaverunt . ( Ita & Concil . Diospol . & alia . ) I shall add the Council of Trent , because the adversaries should be ashamed to be less Oxthodox than Papists , and that they may see the continuance of the Tradition , ( which the Concil . Melevit . plead against Pelagius ) . They use the words of the former Councils . Sess . 5. Can. 2. and 4. Siquis soli Adae praevaricationem suam , non aliis etiam & ejus propagini asserit nocuisse ; acceptam a Deo sanctitatem & justitiam quam perdidit , non nobis sed sibi soli perdidisse ; inquinatoque illo per inobedientiae peccatum , mortem & poenas corporis tantum , in omne genus humanum , & secundum communem legem transfudisse , non autem & Peccatum , cui pro poena debebatur utraque mors , corporis , viz. & animae , Anathema sit : cum contradicat Apostolo dicenti , Per unum hominem , &c. Can. 4. Siquis parvulos recentes ab uteris matrum baptizandos negat , etiamsi fuerint a baptizatis parentibus orti , aut dicit in remissionem quidem peccatorum eos baptizari , sed nihil ex Adam trahere Originalis peccati , quod regenerationis lavacro necesse sit expiari ad vitam aeternam consequendam , unde sit consequens ut in eis forma baptismatis in remissionem peccatorum non vera sed falsa intelligatur , Anathema sit : Quoniam non aliter intelligendum quod ait Apostolus , Per unum hominem , &c. nisi qu●madmodum Ecclesia Catholica ubique diffusa semper intelle●●it ; ( and so on as above , Conc. Mel. ) Hanc fidei & sanctorum patrum normam imitand● , haec sancta synodus fatetur & declarat , in baptismate per Jesu Christi gratiam quam confert & continet , non modo remitti reatum originalis peccati , sed totum id auferri quod veram & propriam rationem peccati habet . ( These last words Binnius leaves out , but they are in him and others repeated again in Can. 5. so that they are their own . Crabb also leaves them out ; and both of them leave out some other words , which Caranza puts in : but the difference reacheth not to any thing material to our controversy . ) So that it 's apparent , that even the Church of Rome do Anathematize those that hold not infants to have Original sin , truly so called , before Baptism . Their assertion of the abolition of all that is truly sin by baptism , is more than they found in the Concil . Melevit . or any of the ancient ones . If to be Anathematized by the Council of Trent be nothing , yet with those men that take general Councils to be the supreme power in the Church on earth , and separate from others for not obeying them in some Ceremonies , or indifferent things , methinks the Curses of the ancient Councils , and that on the account of differences in points of Faith , should seem considerable . The consent of the Reformed Churches is so well known , that I need not recite their words . And though the English Articles mention only our pravity , and say nothing of Adam's sin imputed , or made ours , ( whether by forgetfulness , or by moderation not imposing that which some deny ) , yet they deny it not ; and elsewhere the Church of England seemeth to own it . Obj. 1. That which is not voluntary is not sin : Original corruption or guilt is not voluntary : go . it is not sin . Answ . I deny the minor : I before answered that there is a threefold voluntariness : 1. Actual ; 2. Reputative or moral , by participation ; 3. Habitual . Original sin is voluntary in both the last senses . It was the act of his will that was virtually and reputa●ively ours : and the corruption is the habit of our wills , and the privation of good habits ; and that which is habitual , is more voluntary than that which is but some single Act. Obj. 2. That which never was in our power to prevent , is not sin : But , &c. go . &c. Answ . It was in our power , as we were in Adam : It was in his power , from whom by the established Law or order of providence , we were to derive our nature . That habits are good or evil as well as acts , I hope few will deny . And whereas it is objected that only such habits as are the effects or consequents of our acts , are sinful : I further answer : 1. If it be so , it is eo nomine , because they are the consequents of our acts , that they are sinful , or else for some other formal reason . Not because such , or as such : for it 's most certain that many effects of sin upon our selves , are but misery , and not properly sin . Sin may make a man sick , or lame , or blind , or mad , and yet these be no sins , but the effects of sins . Sin may kill us , and yet death be no sin . There must be therefore some other formal reason , which can be nothing but the disconformity to the rule . 2. Adam ( as was said before ) had original righteousness , which was imputable to him as a moral good , before his actions : go . it is not necessary to the morality or imputability of a principle , that it be the consequent of our acts . 3. Jesus Christ had moral good before his humane action : go . the same will follow . 4. Infants that are sanctified have moral good that is not the consequent of their acts : go . &c. 5. The dedication by believing Parents , and entring the child into the Covenant of God , is taken to all the ends thereof , as if it were the infants act . 6. Among men , the will of the Parents is in many cases reputatively the will of the child , and children receive good , or are deprived of it ( and oft-times penally ) , for the Parents acts . Obj. 3. No righteous Judges do punish the children for the Parents sin . Answ . 1. It is not for the Parents only imputed , but their own contracted , that God doth punish them . And he takes that cognisance of the heart that man doth not . 2. And he is more holy and just than man. 3. And yet all Common-wealths are directed by the light of nature , to punish infants for their Parents sins , as naturally participant . The Laws do threaten the posterity of many offenders , for the Parents sins ; and Judges sentence them accordingly . As that Traytors , or some other most odious offenders , shall be deprived of their honours and estates , and their children after them for ever . It cannot be said here that this is but an affliction to the posterity , and not a penalty ; or that it is a meer consequent of the Parents sin , and not the effect : for it is expressed in the Law , and Judgment ; and is malum naturale propter malum civile vel morale ; and it 's on a subject : And it 's a privation of the good that he should else have possessed ; and many positive evils of mind and body ( care , sorrow , want , labour , &c. ) follow thereupon . Obj. 4. But God hath told us , that the soul that sinneth shall die ; and the child shall not die for the Parents sins . Answ . 1. go . it followeth that children that do die , have sin of their own . 2. The text plainly speaketh of those children , that see the evil of their Parents sins , and do not after them , but renounce them , and live in righteousness themselves : which is nothing to the present case . Obj. 5. It seems to make God the Author of sin , when he will cause us to be born of sinful Parents , and infuse a soul into sinful flesh , when we cannot help it . Answ . 1. I have proved that it is the denial of original sin , that makes God the Author of sin , resolving it into his workmanship , or denial of sufficient or necessary grace , so that no man in the World avoideth sin . 2. But the true doctrine of original sin , doth manifest that it is not of God , as I have shewed . God as Creator setled the nature of his creatures , and the course of propagating them , before man sinn'd : and he was no ways bound to change the course of nature , when man had corrupted it , to prevent our being born sinners . Though we know not fully the manner of God's concourse in our generation , and how he causeth souls ; yet we are sure it is according to the first established course of nature , appointed in the creation , as much as the generation of any other creature is : and that 's enough . God was not the cause of Adam's transgression ; and his Law of propagation went before it : and his concourse with the Parents maketh him no more the cause , than the Sun is of the poison of a toad . Obj. 6. But it seemeth cruelty to damn infants for that which they could not help . Answ . The deniers of Original sin do much more impute cruelty to God , as I shall prove . For , 1. They confess as much of the misery and sufferings of infants , as we assert . 2. And they maintain that God inflicts all this without the least desert of theirs . For the first , they confess that infants die : and they confess that God is not obliged to revive them ; and that without Christ they should have no part in glory . If God may annihilate them , or deny them an immortal life , they cannot deny but he may cause their souls to live , and their bodies to revive , if he please : and if so , that he may inflict as much positive pain as shall be proportioned to the evil of annihilation . And it is a great deal of suffering that man would choose to prevent annihilation . They confess that God may make them to be toads , ( when such creatures are what they are without sin ) : and so continue them for ever . And who would not endure much misery as a man , rather than be a toad or serpent ? They confess that infants have immortal souls , ( at least capable of immortality ) , and that God is no ways bound to annihilate them , and that he may shut them out of happiness ; which is half damnation , and that in equality with the worst , ( it being the same Heaven that all men lose ) : and if they are rational creatures , they must needs have the torment of positive grief in the despairing apprehension of their loss . And for our parts , we presume not to be so far acquainted with the secret judgments of the Lord , as to determine whether infants shall have a greater degree of misery in their damnation , than all this which the adversaries grant . So that we differ not about the degree of suffering . 2. And then for the cause of it , there 's the difference . We say that God inflicteth not all this but for their own desert by original sin : And our Adversaries say , that he doth it without the least fault or desert of theirs . And then I would know whether there be any reason why God doth all this against infants , but because he will do it ? If man had never sinned , he might have done it according to them . If it be said , that he punisheth the Parents in the children : I answer , 1. What punishment to Parents is the everlasting loss or suffering of the children ? 2. Or what punishment is the present death of children , to harlots and unnatural persons , that desire to be rid of them ? 3. And how can he cause the subjects of his Kingdom to suffer so much without their own desert ? 4. And if their natural interest make them not in some measure partakers of their Parents sin , what reason , why they any more than other creatures , should be chosen to the suffering ? And here I would propound this question : What if God had left it in the beginning to Adam's free will , whether he would beget a man , or a toad , or a serpent ? Would you have thought this a cruelty , or injustice ? Why might not God leave such a thing to his free will , as well as his own salvation or damnation ? And if he might leave it to a serpent necessarily to beget a serpent , why might he not leave it to the will of man to do it freely ? And if man had chosen such a generation , could his off-spring ( if capable ) have charged God with cruelty ? And if not , ( as nothing surer ) why might not God leave it to the will of man to remain righteous , and beget a righteous seed ; or to fall , and beget such as himself ? Obj. 7. But the pains of hell consist in the torments of conscience : and the conscience of an infant will not torment him for that which he could not help . Answ . 1. It is past our reach here to understand fully the nature of hell torments . 2. The loss of Heaven is the greatest part of the misery . 3. The sense of that loss will be no small positive misery . 4. And all this ( which the adversaries grant ) will be confessed due for original pravity , and because they are the seed of sinners . Obj. 8. No Law forbiddeth us to be the seed of Adam , or to draw corruption from our Parents . Answ . The Law forbad Adam , in whom we were , to sin ; and it requireth perfection of acts and habits , and condemneth sinful habits as well as sinful acts : and go . we are violaters of that Law. Obj. 9. If Original sin were derived from Adam to us , it would have been in the humane nature of Christ ; at least Adam's act would have been imputed to him , as being really the son of man. Answ . The relation and corruption go together ; and both of them belong to them that derived their natures only from Adam , according to the way of natural generation . But Christ was conceived by the Holy Ghost , who by sanctifying the substance of the Virgin , of which he had his humane nature , and by the miraculous way of procreation , prevented the derivation of guilt or sin . Obj. 10. Christ saith , except we become as little children we shall not enter into Heaven . Answ . He speaks not of their innocency , but of their beginning the World , and their lowliness : except we be little in our eyes , and begin the World a-new by conversion , we cannot enter into his Kingdom . But this denieth not , but that infants may have corruption that unfits them for his Kingdom , as you confess . Obj. 11. 1 Cor. 7. 14. The children of believers are holy . Answ . 1. But not by nature , but by grace , and the faithful's interest in the covenant and dedication of them to Christ in Baptism . 2. They had no need of this hallowing , if they had not naturally some corruption . And , 3. The children of unbelievers are still unclean . 4. And the children of the faithful are not perfectly holy : for then they should be better than the Parents . Obj. 12. By the same reason you may say that we are guilty of our immediate Parents sins : for we were in them more immediately than in Adam . Answ . We have the same natural interest in our nearest Parents sin , and some participation ; which we must lament , and not excuse . But of that I have spoken by it self . The chief objections here omitted , I answered before , ( from Adam's , or our nearer Parents being themselves forgiven , and so having no guilt to derive to us ; and their being sanctified ; and from the creation of the soul , &c. ) and go . shall not again repeat the answers to them . It better beseems us to confess our sin and misery , and value the remedy , than to tell Christ that we will not so much as pray for the pardon of Original sin , nor be beholden to him to forgive it , nor to his spirit to cure it : which yet is really the thoughts of them that think they have no such thing . Among others , read Philip Mornay Lord du Plessis , in his Verity of Christian Religion , in the Chapters of Original sin . The vanity of Dr. Taylor 's opposition may be easily seen , by what is said ; his begging the question about the supernaturality of holiness to Adam ; his frequent mistakes , and self-contradiction . Whether Posterity be guilty of Death , by reason of the Actual sins of their immediate Parents ? AS little as is said by Divines on this Question , it is no over-curious , or needless unprofitable subject ; but very weighty , and needful to be understood by all Christians , that can reach to the understanding of it . For as it is useful for the opening of the cause and nature of Original guilt , so , if it should prove true that we are guilty by the sins of our immediate Parents , it would be necessary that we know it , for our due humiliation , and that we may in penitent confessions and deprecations prevail with God for the pardon thereof : As it is thought a dangerous thing to deny original sin , because they that so do , will not be humbled under it , and sensible of their misery by it , nor of the necessity of God's mercy , or Christ's blood for the pardon of it , nor will apply themselves to God by Christ in Faith , Confession , and Prayer for pardon , and consequently are in danger of missing of pardon : so in the present case , the same reasons will prove it as well dangerous to deny our guilt of our Parents sins , if indeed we are so guilty . Which that we may enquire into , after a very brief explication of the terms of the Question , I shall lay down a few necessary distinctions , and then assert what I judge to be the truth in certain Propositions , and prove such of them as most require proof . 1. By [ immediate Parents ] , we mean those that personally beget : By [ Posterity ] , we mean their children so begotten . By Reason of [ Actual sin ] , we mean , by the Merit of those sins which our Parents themselves committed ; or by a resultancy from such sin compared with the rule . By guilt , we mean obligation to punishment , or duness of punishment . By death , we mean the destruction , or final misery of the creature ; either death temporal , or eternal . We must here distinguish , 1. Between the seminal , causal , potential , and virtual being which we have in our Parents , and the personal existence that we have in our selves . 2. Between the guilt which immediately resulteth from actual sin , and the guilt which riseth but mediately from it , viz. by the means of some intervening corruption of our own . 3. Between the sins of Parents while we are seminally in them , and their sins after our birth : either , 1. in our infancy , or 2. in our riper age . 4. Between guilt of fault , and guilt of punishment . 5. Between the aggravation of voluntariness actual , and of voluntariness habitual , or dispositive . 6. Between plenary proper guilt , and guilt so called by analogy of attribution , and guilt so called equivocally . 7. Between punishment univocally , analogically , or equivocally so called . 8. Between obligation to the pain of loss , and to the pain of sense . 9. And between the meer sense of that loss , and the sensible accusations of conscience for actual sin . 10. Between the curable obligation of the Law of Nature , or Works , and the peremptory and remediless obligation of the Law of Grace . Though these distinctions reach further than to the terms of the Question , yet are they all such as will be of necessary use in our determination . Prop. 1. God doth not impute to us the sins either of our first or neerest Parents , further than our true interest in such sins doth give sufficient ground for such imputation . As Dr. Twiss , among others , hath oft and well proved . Prop. 2. God doth not esteem us to have personally committed the sins which our first or neerest progenitors did actually commit . For his judgment is true ; and therefore he judgeth of things as they are ; and therefore he judgeth us not to have done that personally , which we did not do . Prop. 3. God doth not by any Law oblige us to punishment , as the personal committers of such sins , which any progenitors of ours did commit , and not we : and therefore we are not guilty of punishment on that account . He never made such a covenant with Adam , or any since , as some imagine , wherein he declareth that he will judge the Posterity guilty of the Parents sin further than their true desert or interest in it , meerly because God will so judge , or because he will impute the sins of one to another , without his desert : that were to make him the causer of such mens sins , or rather to mistake , and call that their sin which indeed is not so . Prop. 4. It seems to me that in the same kind as we are guilty of Adam's actual sin , we are also guilty of the sins of our neerest Parents ; allowing for some accidental differences , and also our guilt having a remedy at hand , which his had not that he knew of , we being under a pardoning covenant . Because this proposition is not agreeable to the commonest opinion , I shall speak to the proof of it , and of some that are near to it , anon towards the end . Prop. 5. If it should prove true , which some of the Reformed Divines maintain , that original sin doth consist only in the real qualitative corruption of our nature , and not directly in any imputation of Adam ' s actual sin to us ; and that there is no such direct imputation of his sin to us , but that it is only the cause of our proper Original sin , and not our sin formally : then must it needs follow that the like must be said for the negative , of the sins of our immediate Parents : for they can be no more our sins , than Adam's was . If this opinion therefore stand good , then our controversy is at an end ; and we are not guilty either of Adam's sin , or of our next Parents , nor of death for them . I will not presume to make my self judge between the Learned Divines that disagree upon this point : Camero and his followers go this way , against the imputation of Adam's sin to us : of which see the sum of their Arguments in Jos . Placaeus his Disputat . de statu hominis lapsi ante Gratiam in lib. 1. Thesium Salmuriens . pag. 206 , 207. And Chamier is not only of the same mind , but confuteth the contrary among the Popish errors , as you may see in Tom. 3. lib. 1. cap. 7. against Pighius sect . 20 , 21. but specially throughout chap. 8. contra Salmeronem . So also Peter Martyr on Rom. 5. But yet the far greater number of our Writers go the other way , and so do the Papists too . Prop. 6. It seems not to be a guilt so plenary and perfect , which we lie under for any Parents sin , ( if such a thing be proved ) , as that is which a man is under for his own personal sin . The difference will appear , if we consider that it is not a punishment in so full and perfect a sense , which we are obliged to : for the suffering is but the matter of the punishment ; its form lieth in the relation of that suffering to the fault : if the malum naturale be not propter malum morale , it is not punishment : and the punishment is his in the fullest sense , who suffereth for his own sin : now the sin of Adam , or any Parent , is not so fully our own as that is which we personally commit ; seeing as we were but seminally , causally , and potentially in our Parents , and not by existence personally ; so it is not so much to be esteemed the son of a sinner , as to be esteemed the actual sinner himself . So that it seems our guilt of , and punishment for the actual sin of any Parent , is so called by analogy of attribution as they speak , ( as Accidens is called Ens ) , being a more imperfect kind of guilt and punishment . Prop. 7. It is past doubt that God may and doth punish Parents in their children : In which case the sufferings of the children are materially ( though not as the next matter ) the punishment of the Parent ; but the next matter is the Parents own suffering ( real or reputative ) in the suffering of his children : but this God doth not without respect to some concurrent guilt in the child , unless as he will repair his hurt with a greater good . Prop. 8. When the sufferings of a child are but the meer consequents of the Parents sin or punishment , then are they no punishment themselves , unless equivocally so called : but when they are intended by the Rector for the demonstration of justice for the Parents fault , then it hath the nature of punishment , though the child were imagined innocent . For example ; If a Traytor be sentenced to death , and his estate forfeited to the Prince , his Heirs will be deprived of all their hopes , though the Judge never thought of them in his sentence , because the Parent cannot convey to his posterity what he hath lost himself . And here the suffering of the Heirs is not formally a punishment , but the meer consequent of a punishment . But if the Rector do ordain that the Heirs of a Traytor shall be desinherited , and intend this as part of the penalty , to deter others from Treason , then it is not a meer consequent , but a real punishment , though the Heir be personally innocent . Prop. 9. It seems to me that we are so far guilty both of Adam's sin , and of our neerer Parents , committed whilst we were seminally in them , as that God may , not only without injustice , but also in positive execution of vindictive justice , punish us with temporal death for such guilt , though it be but a more imperfect kind of guilt and punishment . Prop. 10. If this interest in our Parents sins deserve a temporal death , then also an everlasting death . For when the creature hath lost his life by the stroke of justice , God is not bound to restore it . Prop. 11. It hence followeth that God may in justice deprive us of everlasting glory for such guilt ; which is one part of Hell , viz. the poena damni : for the dead enjoy not glory . Prop. 12. Hence also it followeth that God may justly , for such guilt , leave man under some penalty of sense too , as well as of loss : 1. Because he may , if he please , continue natural life to man , when he depriveth him of glory ; ( for he that may justly take away both , may take away one only ) : and then man being rational , must needs have a sense of the greatness of his loss . 2. And there is no man of reason , but would rather choose a tolerable degree of pain for ever , ( as a less evil ) than to be annihilated . And he that may inflict the greater , may inflict the lesser . Prop. 13. Those positive torments of conscience which follow the review of wilful actual sin , and which men must suffer for such in Hell , cannot be the punishment of our guilt either of Adam's or our neerest Parents actual sin . Because conscience hath no such matter to work upon ; it cannot charge us with choosing that evil by our own wills ; for so far this guilt was involuntary . Prop. 14. God is the Rector of the Universe , of Common-wealths , Churches , and Families , as well as of individual persons ; and therefore he may punish the World as such , and punish a Common-wealth as such for their sins , or a sinful Church , or a sinful Family : And so some individual persons , not as such , but as parts of the society , may justly suffer the loss of those benefits , which as members of that society they did possess , though they committed not the sins for which the punishment is inflicted : In which case the nature of punishment is divided between the society , and that individual sufferer . It is the Societies fundamentaliter , because they are the sinners ; it is the sufferers Terminative , because he beareth it : and true punishment it is ; for it is [ suffering for sin ] , though not for his personal sin . And thus a Child , a Subject , a Church-member may suffer for the sins of the Heads or Body of the Society . Nor can it well be said that this is but on occasion of their sin , and not for it , and so that it is but equivocally punishment , and not truly so : for it is an evil of suffering for the evil of sin , and inflicted for demonstration of justice on the whole , and so on each part . Yea , and it seems that positive punishments , as well as losses , may be inflicted on this account . Prop. 15. Yet as God is Rector of each particular person as well as of societies , so he dealeth justly with every person , and therefore in punishing societies , he still observeth his established Laws concerning individuals : and therefore he punisheth no person beyond his due : For , 1. it is supposed that a man who by consent is a member of any Society , doth consent to bear or venture on the common inconveniencies and infelicity of that Society , so that he may be partaker of the felicity and benefits of it : and where nature makes a man a member of a society , it supplies the place of our personal consent . For in it self it is a necessary good to us to be in society with others , seeing no man can live happily by himself ; and it is supposed in nature , that no man will dissent from his own necessary good . It is therefore by their own consent fundamentally , that such persons , though innocent in themselves , are made liable to punishment ; and therefore in all wars , when the innocent do suffer with the guilty , in the besieging of a City , the punishing of a Country , it is no injustice . Obj. But that is because men are not able to discern between the righteous and the guilty , or to difference in the execution , as God can do . Answ . It 's true that God can do this , and man cannot : but withal God doth not all that he can do . He ruleth the World by means in an established order , and it is he that hath given men authority to rule under him : and therefore whatsoever punishment they righteously execute , it is God that righteously doth it by them . So that as men do us no wrong in such cases , so neither doth God. 3. But yet God hath determined in his Laws , that none shall bear the punishment of eternal damnation , for the sins of a society , but for his own sin : yea , he hath resolved that all shall tend to the everlasting felicity of the innocent . 4. It cannot be accounted any wrong to such , when God will repair their hurt or loss with far greater advantages , which he might have denied them . 5. But yet for all this , it is certain that de facto God doth not punish any man who is not guilty by personal sins ; for there is none such on earth to punish : but though God doth so sweetly , and in perfect order carry on the work of Government , that none shall have cause to complain of injustice , and doth keep an harmonious consent between his more general and his particular punishing justice , so punishing societies , that he will make good all his promises to each individual : yet , 1. It seems to me that in one and the same penalty materially considered , God may punish us both as individual persons for our own sin , and as members of a Society for the sins of the Society , which are no otherwise ours , than by being such members of a sinful body , and so being liable to the justice which that Body is liable to . 2. And it seems to me , that if we were supposed to be personally innocent , yet God might in justice punish us with such a society , so far as may stand with his Covenant to individuals : and that that Covenant doth not restrain him from inflicting the least penalty on us for any besides our own sins which we have personally committed : Though still even the guilt of that common sin , is participative personally ours , as we communicate in it by being members of the society : as the hand is guilty of the sin of the tongue , because it is a member of the body that is guilty . Obj. There is no sin , and so no punishment , where there is no willingness . Answ . Here is a willingness fundamentally , in that in hope of the good of the society , and benefit from it , we consent to share with them , and speed as they , though we consent not to the sin : so that the sin is reputatively ours , so far as that we should be obliged to punishment by it , though not in it self , nor so as that we should be accounted the actual offenders . Even as our sins became Christ's by his voluntary sponsion , so far as to bear the penalty , but not so far as to be accounted the committer of them : so that his sufferings were truly punishments , because for sin , though not for his own ; yet not punishments in so full and strict a sense as ours that suffer for our own sins ; but by analogy of attribution , or ob inaequalem generis attributionem : and such , as it seems to me , are those punishments which innocent persons suffer meerly for the sins of the Societies that they are members of . Prop. 16. It is not a meer reputative interest , ( as the last described ) , but a natural interest which we have in the guilt of Adam's actual sin , and so in the guilt of the actual sins of our neerer Parents , as to meer desert : For our nature was in him : our persons , though not existent , were seminally in him ; we come not from Adam as our Creator , that makes us of nothing , nor as our Fabricator , that makes us of an extrinsick pre-existent matter ; but as our Progenitor , who deriveth a being to us by communication , out of himself ; and therefore can give us no better than he had himself , either qualitatively or relatively ; and therefore being a son of death , he could not beget sons of life : being guilty , he could not beget persons that are innocent ; nor bring a clean thing from himself , who was unclean . Prop. 17. This natural interest in the guilt of Progenitors , is only from those sins which they committed while we were in their loins , or seminally in them , and not from any that they committed after we were born : but the reputative guilt which we have from the sins of societies ( whereof we are naturally or electively members ) may befall us as much ( and rather ) from the sins which they commit when we are at age , and have the fullest use of reason ; therefore all men should be careful what society they voluntarily joyn themselves to , or abide in , and should diligently endeavour the reformation of such societies : and when they are falling into ruine past hope of recovery , should foresee the fall , and save themselves . Prop. 18. It is both these sorts of guilt which adhere to us in our infancy from our Parents sins . 1. The guilt which followeth our natural interest , as we are seminally in them , adhereth to us all , as soon as we have our being . 2. The other is varied according to the several societies that we are members of . 1. As we are members of the great Common-wealth of the World , whereof God is the Soveraign , so we are guilty by reason of the sin which mankind in our first Parents committed in the beginning . For God dealt with Adam in his first Laws , not only as an individual person , but also as whole mankind , he and his wife being then the whole World. And so as we are first guilty of death , because of our natural interest in Adam's sin , as being his Progeny , so next we are also guilty by reason of this civil or reputative interest , as being members of the sinful World , or of sinful mankind : which later yet supposeth the former as its ground , and doth not arise from any Covenant or Will of God to impute that to us which we were never guilty of , by any natural interest of our own . Not that we were personally guilty before we were personally existent ; but that we were then seminally guilty as we had a seminal being in the nature and person of our Progenitors ; and when our persons from that seed do first exist , they are guilty persons , as soon as persons . And therefore when man had first sinned , God , that had given him a Law , as being all mankind , and the root of a Posterity in course of nature to spring from him , did also in the same relation call him to judgment , and sentence him for his sin ; and therefore passed such a sentence which we see by experience is executed on all mankind ; and as the individuals multiply from the first condemned root , so doth the guilt and the sentenced punishment adhere to each individual . ( And in the same relation was the promise of a Redeemer made to him . ) As it was not Adam only , but all mankind that is meant by God's sentence , [ Dust thou art , and to dust thou shalt return , &c. ] yet only Adam as then personally existent and condemned , and all others as seminally in him , and the sentence makes its first seizure on their persons when their persons shall first exist , and not before ; Even so is it by the guilt , as it is by the sentence : It was only Adam's person that was at first guilty ; but not only as a particular private person , but as mankind , and as the root of all that should succeed ; and therefore we were seminally guilty in him , and are personally guilty from him , when we first personally exist . 2. And as we are thus guilty as members of sinful mankind , so also as members of sinful Families ; and in that respect may for the sins of our neerest Parents , lie under Family punishments . 3. So are we also as members of wicked Common-wealths , and particular subordinate Societies in those Common-wealths : And therefore it is so common for God to punish men for common abhominations , and provoking enormities , which yet themselves did not commit . 4. The like may be said of heretical , impure , and scandalous Churches , whose members become liable to Church-punishments , as those aforesaid to Common-wealth-punishments . Prop. 19. It is one thing to be so far guilty , or to deserve punishment , as that God may in the execution of vindictive justice , lay it on us as our due , ( unless remedied ) : and it 's another thing to be so far guilty , as that God must punish us , or else be unjust , or not attain the ends of right Government , by ordinary means . It is the first guilt only which I say ariseth from the sins of our Parents to us : the second I neither affirm nor deny , as not intending now to meddle with that Controversy . Prop. 20. Though according to the strict rigor of the Law of nature or works , considered alone , God might , for the sin of Adam , or our neerer Parents , adjudge us to everlasting death , as our due , because of our forementioned participation therein : yet hath he provided such a remedy in the Gospel , that no man shall everlastingly perish for any such sin , who is made partaker of that remedy . And therefore though the Gospel findeth men under such a guilt by nature , yet doth it not bind it on them , but free them from it , if they be in Christ : therefore when God telleth men that if they repent and believe , it is not their Fathers sins that shall damn them , yet bids them take heed lest they perish by their own , this doth not deny that we deserve death for Adam's , or our other Parents sins ; but only that if we repent , and be our selves evangelically righteous , the deserved evil shall not befall us . The remedy supposeth , and not denieth the malady . Prop. 21. A further difference may yet appear between the guilt of Adam's first sin , and our guilt of his following sins , or the sins of our neerer Parents ; if we distinguish between the Fundamentum and the Terminus of guilt , and then observe , that the Terminus is but one and the same , but the Foundation is divers . The punishment which we are guilty of , or liable to , by Adam's sin , is the privation of our whole felicity . The new guilt of our neerer Parents sin , or Adam's further sins , yea , or our own actual sin , can bring no new punishment on us according to the covenant of Works , ( though according to the covenant of Grace , which giveth new mercies , whose privation we are capable of , we may have new punishments , which the first sin did not bring us under ) . As to the pain of loss it is clear ; because when we have forfeited all , we can forfeit no more : but by the first sin we forfeited all . But this is not because the sin in its own nature hath not the same demerit as the first : but because man is capable of no greater privation than he hath incurred already ; nor of any greater torment , if the first sin deserved as much torment , as mans nature was capable of . So that terminative here is no new super-added punishment , according to the first Law. But yet none may hence conclude that here is no new guilt ; because it is another fundamentaliter & formaliter . For divers relations may have the same Terminus . We do by following sins incur a new and further obligation to the same penalty ; which would be to a greater penalty , were we capable of it naturally . When a Felon is guilty of death on one crime , yet twenty bills may be brought in against him , which may charge him with a manifold guilt , though but of one death . As a man may have a manifold right to one good thing which he possesseth , and a right super-added to his first right , ( as God hath the right of Redemption to us , super-added to the right of Creation ) ; so may a sinner have super-added , and manifold obligations to the same punishment . Yet here we see some difference between our first guilt of Adam's sin , and all super-added guilt ; that the first having deprived us of all our felicity , none that follows can deprive us of any more , ( except of the mercies new given us by the Gospel , which the meer sins of Parents shall deprive no man of , that disowneth them ) . Prop. 22. Though it be but an imperfect analogical guilt , which the act of Adam's , or other Parents sin doth directly and immediately leave upon us ; yet the corruption or pravity of our own nature , inherent in each person , which by Adam's sin was introduced , doth bring on us a further guilt . And so mediately the said actual sin doth bring it . Which occasioneth so many Protestant Divines to place original sin ( as ours ) in this pravity alone . Prop. 23. Though this natural depravedness may seem to infer a lesser guilt , because it is not voluntary , as our actual sins are : Yet , 1. we being seminally in him that voluntarily caused it ; and , 2. it being the habitual pravity of the will it self , and so far voluntary ; and , 3. therefore containing virtually all future actual voluntary sins ; 4. and being more contrary to God's holy nature and will , than one single actual sin would be ; it hath therefore many aggravations instead of that one , which it seemeth to have less of : And so must needs bring a true and proper obligation to punishment , ( till Christ dissolve it ) , as well as actual sins . Prop. 24. It seems to me that the sins of neerer Parents may do much to the corrupting of our natures , as well as the sin of Adam ; and to increase the pravity that from his only sin , would have been upon them . Proved , 1. There is the same reason why the sins of immediate Parents should deprave the nature of Posterity , as there is that Adam's sin should do it . Some Divines say that God took away his image from Adam : some that he took away his spirit , and so the loss of his image followed : some that Adam's sin did it self destroy , or blot out that image . As to the first ; I say , 1. It is not sound ; because it makes God the most proper immediate , ( if not the only true ) efficient cause of sin , and of the sinning sin , which is the worst of sins : Also , because there is no word of God that saith any such thing . 2. If it were true , the sin of Cain deserved the same , as well as the sin of Adam . As to the second opinion , I say , 1. It is yet undetermined ( de nomine ) among Divines , whether it be not the Redeemer only that giveth the spirit , and whether it can properly be said that God gave his spirit to Adam in innocency ? though I am for the affirmative . 2. But suppose that there be some conserving aid which God did withdraw , by what name soever it be called : yet thaat withdrawing was in order of nature consequential to mans sinning , and not before it : and that sin it self did deprave the soul . 3. The sin of Cain deserveth the like desertion as well as the sin of Adam : but man's nature is not now capable of it in the same sort as then it was , because then we were innocent , and had the perfect image of God upon us , and were capable of losing it : but now we have lost it already , our Parents sins can but remove us further from God , and hinder our recovery . The third opinion seemeth most warrantable , that Adam put away , or blotted out God's image , and so depraved his own soul : ( for which see Capel of Tempt , and Thes . Salmuriens . Vol. 1. disp . de statu hominis lapsi ante gratiam ; sect . 19 , 20 , 21. ) But there is the same reason why Cain's sin should deprive his posterity of God's image , save only that they had not the same to lose : for the destructive nature of the sin is the same , and so is the merit . And though they have not that perfect image of God now to lose , yet they have some remnants of moral virtue , assisted by the light and law of nature ; and the nature of man is capable of being made worse than yet it is : And there is the same reason why Cain's sin may make it worse , as there is why Adam's may make it bad . Man's fall was a change of his end : He first took God for his ultimate end , and chief good : He was seduced to take him for one that envied his felicity , and for a liar , and to seek his felicity in the creature , against the command of God. The ultimate end of man's actions being thus changed , all moral good is so far perverted ; for all means and subordinate ends depend on it . And so the stream of mans actions are turned into a wrong channel ; the sensitive appetite is hereupon become the master-principle in the soul , as ruling the rest . For , as Placaeus saith , ubi sup . Cujus facultatis finis proximus est hominis ultimus , ea caeteris omnibus facultatibus , tanquam architectonica , imperat : that faculty whose neerest end is mans ultimate end , doth rule all the other faculties , as the master of the work . And thus man being turned finally to sensibles from God , his nature is depraved , and God's image defaced . Yet is not the soul removed to the utmost distance from God ; for then he should be as bad as the Devils , and all men should be equally evil ; and the sensitive appetite would so uncontrouledly reign , that man would be worse than bruitified , his reason serving only to purvey for the flesh , so that the light and law of nature would not restrain him , nor any thoughts of a God , and a life everlasting , once stop him in his sin . Now it is apparent that there is the same natural ( and meritorious ) force in Cain's sin to turn his nature further from God , as was in Adam's to turn it so far away : Or if man were at the worst , yet his following sins have the same power to fix him in that misery , as his first had to bring him into it . For they also are a wilful turning from God to the creature , as well as the first . Arg. 2. It is past all doubt that the sinners own personal nature is made worse by his own actual sin : experience proves it too fully : Scripture saith , that they that have been accustomed to do evil , can no more learn to do well , than a Blackmoor can change his skin , or a Leopard his spots . And there is no reason that I know of that can be given , why a more corrupt Parent should not beget a child more corrupt , and deliver him the sinful improvement of his pravity , as well as that all sinful depraved Parents should beget depraved children : And though this controversy be mixed with the great difficulties about the propagation of the soul , and the matter of its corruption , yet which way soever those be determined , it makes not against the thing that I assert . If the soul be ex traduce , and so corrupted , then the case is most easy . If man beget the sensitive soul corrupted , and God do then promove that to the excellency of being a rational soul , ( as some think the material species of the phantasy is raised by the active intellect to be the intelligible immaterial species ) ; still there is the same reason why the more corrupt Parent should propagate a soul more corrupt , as that all should propagate a corrupt one . If the soul be depraved either by a taint from the body , or by a willing accommodation of it self to the body , through the force of the natural desire of union , ( de quo vide Placaeum ubi supra , ) as water to the shape of the vessel that it is put into : still the reason holds the same for the degree of corruption , as for the thing it self . That God by way of penalty should create the soul sinful immediately , seems plainly to make him the Author of sin : But if it were so , yet there is the same reason of demerit , to provoke him to create the soul of Cain's son yet more sinful , as there is in Adam's to provoke him to create it sinful at all . Arg. 3. Besides , experience assureth us , that all children bring not an equal degree of pravity into the World , if we may judge by their first exercise of reason , or use of passions . But if there were no difference made since , it should seem that all should be corrupted alike , ( further than God cureth any , and so maketh a difference . ) We see also that many of the children of the most vicious people are more vicious than the ordinary sort of men are . We see also that some mens bodies being distempered by their vices , they propagate those bodily distempers to their posterity ; which we evidently perceive do make a great alteration on the soul : from whence we see some persons very sottish and silly , yea some ideots , and some extreme talkative , some extreme passionate , some lustful , some malicious , some gluttonous , some drunkards , and this above the corrupt inclination which appeareth in the ordinary sort of men ; and plainly sed by the temper of the body . Obj. 1. If our corruption were increased by the sins of immediate Parents , then the World would grow worse and worse , and we should have been Devils long before this age . Answ . 1. Most Divines say that the first sin would have done all this , if God in mercy had not prevented or remedied it . 2. God still resolveth to keep the World in order under his Government ; and therefore restraineth corruption , and will not suffer it to grow , as according to its nature it would . 3. This is one of the common benefits that the World receiveth by the grace of the Redeemer , that they grow not as bad as else they would . 4. For the sake of the Church God will restrain them . Obj. 2. We see many of the worst men have good children . Answ . No mans corruptions do put his children into a remediless condition : and therefore God may sanctifie whom and when he pleaseth . So may he do also by the Parents themselves , for all their sins ; and yet those sins do make them worse . Obj. 3. Then you may say that Grace is propagated by generation from our immediate Parents , as well as sin : and yet experience telleth us the contrary . Answ . 1. This makes as much against the propagation of original corruption from Adam , as from our neerer Parents . If it were of any force , it would be against both . 2. There is so great a difference between grace and sin , that quite alters the case . For , 1. Grace is something extrinsecally adventitious , and now ( as to the cause of it , and manner of working it ) supernatural : but so is not sin . 2. Grace is an adventitious perfecting quality : Sin is a defect , ( as it is in the rational faculties ) . But defects are more easily propagated , than adventitious qualities : for one requireth nothing thereto but a defective nature ; ( for nothing can convey to another that which it hath not it self : ) but the other requireth more than nature to its propagation . No acquired knowledge or skill in Languages , Sciences , Arts , or Manufactures , are propagated to posterity by nature : but the ignorance of these is natural . 3. But above all , it 's considerable that original sin , so far as it containeth a positive inclination , seems to be radically in the inordination of the sensitive appetite , raging against the rule of reason , ( though the rational faculty be corrupted too , and gives up it self to the slavery of the sensitive ; yet the sensitive seems to be the root . ) Now it is evident that nature doth much in propagation of the sensitive , ( or else man should do less in generation than a beast ) . But Grace is radically subjected in the rational faculties , ( though by participation also it reach the sensitive : ) and here nature doth less in propagation . We see by experience that a natural gentleness and calmness of the passions , and such other lower common virtues as are subjected in the sensitive part , are born with some men ; and from the temperament of the body , one man is more mild , patient , temperate than another : but it is not so with the intellectual Perfections , nor Christian Graces , Faith , Hope , or Charity . I shall now proceed to prove so much of the affirmative , as I have here owned more than is now held , viz. That there ariseth to children from the sins of their neerest Parents , such an imperfect guilt , so called by analogie of attribution , as that God may in vindictive justice inflict on them for the same , the penalty ( so called by the same analogy ) both of temporal death , and of eternal , at least as to the penalty of loss ; supposing that it be not pardoned through Christ . And this I prove by these following Arguments . Arg. 1. If we are guilty of Adam's first sin , on that account , because we were seminally in him , and are propagated from him , then are we guilty of our neerer Parents sins on the same account . But the antecedent is true : go . so is the consequent . Here I suppose it granted that Adam's first sin is imputed to us , and we guilty of it : for I now deal not with those Divines that deny it , but with those that maintain it : For as I said before , if we are not guilty of Adam's sin , then I must give up my cause , and confess that we are not guilty of the sins of our neerer Parents . Supposing then the imputation of Adam's sin to us , I must First prove that the reason of that imputation is , because we are propagated from him , and were seminally in him . 2. That on the same reason , we have the like guilt of neerer Parents sins . 1. For the first , I may safely premise this , that as in all relations there must be a relate , correlate and foundation ; and as to the disconformity of a crooked line from the rule , there must be the crookedness of the line , and the straightness of the rule ; and is the rule will not give you ground to denominate the line disconform or crooked , unless it be truly so : even so there must be merit on mans part , consisting in performance , or some participation in the evil , before the Law ( which is the rule ) will judge him guilty . The Law is first the rule of duty , and then the rule of judgment . And it first shews them to be guilty of the sin ( reos culpae ) before it shew their obligation to punishment , ( reatum poenae . ) This being so , it seems clear that the doctrine ( of too many ) that lay the chief or only cause of man's guilt and punishment upon God's covenant , is not sound . They say God made a covenant with Adam that he should stand or fall for all his posterity : that is , as some expound it , that his desert of life or death should be imputed theirs : and as others ; that if he sinned , he and his posterity should be guilty of death ; and if he did not sin that first sin of eating the forbidden fruit , both he and his posterity should be confirmed in their happiness , as the good Angels , and never fall afterward : And this covenant , say they , makes us guilty of Adam's sin , though we have not a natural interest to make us guilty ; and so God imputeth it to us , not because it was ours before the imputation , but because he is pleased to make it ours by that imputation , or by his covenant . That it is not the imputation or covenant that primarily makes us guilty , but determineth us guilty of the fault who are so in our selves , and consequently determineth us guilty of punishment ; I prove thus : 1. Else it should be God only or primarily that should make us sinners , and not we our selves , nor our Parents : But that 's most false : go . The consequence is most apparent . If a man be therefore a sinner , because God by his covenant or imputation saith he is one , and not because he is first made one by himself , or Parents , then God is the principal , if not only cause of sin . 2. Yea , then God should make a man a sinner by that Law whose essential nature is to prohibit and hinder sin . 3. Or else thus ; God's judgment ( by Law or Sentence ) is ever according to the truth of the thing : ( He judgeth or pronounceth things to be as they are , and not as they are not . ) But if he should determine or pronounce a man a sinner that is not , his judgment were not according to truth : but he should make that which is false become true by judging it true ; which is no tolerable conceit . 4. If it were without any antecedent ground in us , that God's covenant doth judge or make us guilty of Adam's sin , ( or God impute it to us , ) but meerly because he will do it ; then on the same reason might God have made or judged the innocent Angels , or the Lord Jesus Christ guilty of Adam's sin : yea , he might have imputed it to the Sun , or Moon , or any creature . For if real innocency secure not us from being made sinners by God , or reputed such , then it would not secure them : Or if God's will to impute it be enough , without an antecedent interest to ground that imputation upon , then there is no difference , as to interest in that sin , between them and us : But that 's too gross a conceit to be defended . 5. There is no such covenant of God with Adam mentioned in Scripture , as lays the final standing of his posterity upon that first obedience , or disobedience of his , much less that determineth that they shall be judged guilty for his sake , of more than they are guilty of indeed , by natural interest . The foundation of the relation is in our selves . I conclude therefore that it is most certain that there is in man some sufficient ground or cause why God's Law should denominate or judge him guilty before it do so . And this cause can be no other than one of these two : either because we were seminally in Adam , and are his children ; or because God making his covenant as the Rector of all mankind , did make it upon supposition of a virtual consent contained in the very nature of man , and so supposing that what we ought to do , we would do , and that if all men had then existed , we ought to have consented to venture our felicity upon Adam's act , and to run the hazard● of perishing with him , on condition we might be saved with him if he stand ; and so such a supposed consent is the ground of our guilt . But , though I will not exclude this last ground , yet certainly it is upon a supposition of the former , or else it is none at all . For man was not to exist till the fall was past , and therefore could not be supposed to exist . And if God had decreed to create every individual person to the end of the World , of nothing , as he did Adam , without any derivation from him ; what virtual consent can be supposed ? or on what ground should it be presupposed that we would all consent to live and die with him , any more than with the Angels that fell ? or any more than the good Angels might be supposed to consent to such a thing ? I conclude therefore that the first ground of our interest in Adam's sin , or our guilt of it , is our being his off-spring , and then seminally in him ; and next , that God might make one Law for him and all that should come of him , as supposing the equity of their consent : yet by that Law , he hath not ( that I know of ) involved them in his first sin any more than in his second or third ; nor offered them happiness meerly on condition of his avoiding that first sin , whatsoever they should afterwards do themselves ; nor yet promised to make them impeccable , or prevent all after sin . 2. It being then our natural interest that is the first ground of our guilt of Adam's actual sin , ( so far as we are guilty ) : and we being as truly the children of our neere Parents , as of him , and seminally in them as well as in him , it follows that we have the same natural interest in their sins as in his ; and therefore the same guilt , and reason why God should impute them to us : Unless the change of Laws do make a difference , which if it do , it can be no more , than by adding the Law of Grace to that of Nature to remedy its obligation : For the nature of things being still the same , the same Law of nature still remains : and therefore children must now be naturally guilty of all Parents sins , as well as then , before that guilt be dissolved by remission . Though now God will not punish the adult meerly for Parents sins imputed to us , yet he might do it if he would , supposing he had not by the Law of Grace determined the contrary , if it be proved that he might do it then . Moreover , as then God might suppose a civil interest in Adam's sin , ( as we were parts-future of the same World of mankind , ) on presupposition of our natural interest , ( as his off-spring ; ) so now ( though our Parents be not the root of mankind as Adam was ; and that 's the main difference , yet ) seeing our neerest Parents may be the root of Families , or other Societies , whereof God is also the Rector , he may suppose another sort of civil interest or guilt of their sins upon us . As he imputed Adam's sin to us as he was Rector of all mankind , so may he our neerer Parents as he is Ruler of a Family , or of some more remote , as Ruler of a Common-wealth . Obj. But that Law which made us guilty of Adam's sin , is abrogated , and instead of it is made the Law of Grace . God doth not now say to any , In the day thou sinnest thou shalt die . Answ . I know that commination stands not alone , and unremedied ; and I yield that the promissory part is ceased : but still every sin doth leave upon us a guilt of death , till Christ take it off ; or else what need could we have of the pardon of it ? Obj. But that Law was particular and positive , [ in the day thou eatest thou shalt die ] : go . it is ceased . Answ . The particular prohibition of that act of eating is ceased , cessante objecto : But that particular was grounded on , and presupposed a general , and that which you call positive ( how fitly , I now enquire not ) was first natural , as to the duness of penalty for each particular sin . The Law of nature first saith [ death is the due wages of sin ] . or [ every sin deserveth death ] : and this Law doth still remain . So that though , as to the event , we have not that reason to expect eternal death now , for Parents sins , ( nor for every sinful act of our own , ) as before the promise of Christ we might have had ; yet that is not because the Law is abrogated , which is the very standing Law of nature , nor because now each sin deserveth not such death : but because we have now a remedy at hand to put away the guilt . I am sure , this is the commonest judgment of those Divines that are most against Arminianism ; for they maintain that all the unbelievers are still under the Law of works it self , as to the cursing and punishing power . Arg. 2. If we receive the guilt of one sin from our immediate Parents , then may we as well receive the guilt of more : But we do receive the guilt of one from them : go . The antecedent is plain : For we receive from them the guilt of Adam's sin . It is theirs before it can be ours . Adam delivered it not immediately to us . As we received our nature and persons from our neerest Parents , so did we therewith our guilt of that sin . The consequence is proved , in that there is the same reason of both . Why did not our Parents propagate us free from the guilt of Adam's sin ? Because they were not free from it themselves naturally ; and therefore cannot give us a better nature than they have themselves . And so on the same reason it must follow , that being themselves guilty of other sins , they cannot convey to us a nature not guilty of them . If one be therefore ours because it was first theirs , and our nature from them , the other must be so too . Obj. The Law makes the difference : for God hath not made us liable to Justice for our neerer Parents sins , as he did for the first . Answ . This is already answered . The Law indeed makes a difference as to the event and execution , and actual remaining obligation : but not as to the desert . The Law declares and shews men to be as they are , and doth not judge unequally of men that are equal , or of equal actions . The same Law , though remedied , is still so far in force . Obj. Our Parents , if faithful , are pardoned and justified , and therefore cannot convey to us the guilt of any sin , because they have it not themselves . Answ . It must be carefully understood , that pardon takes not away , 1. either the reatum culpae , so as that person should hereafter be judged not to have done what he did , or not to have sinned in so doing : 2. nor yet the natural merit of punishment , as if that sin , and the person for it , did cease to deserve death ; but only it remitteth the punishment deserved , and takes away the legal effectual obligation to punishment , or that duness of punishment which must bring it upon us . So that Parents may nevertheless convey to their children that natural desert which was not removed from themselves . 2. And then remission being a free act of God , extendeth no further than he pleaseth : and therefore ( unless the covenant to the faithful and their seed , do pardon all their guilt to their seed as well as themselves ) the very effectual obligation to punishment will follow the natural desert of it , to those children that have not such a remission . And if this would prove any thing , it would prove us not guilty of Adam's sin . Arg. 3. If we are guilty of more of Adam's sins than the first , or than the eating of the forbidden fruit , then on the same grounds we may be guilty of the sins of our neerer Parents : But the antecedent is true ; go . so is the consequent . The antecedent is proved thus . If there were the same causes to make us guilty of Adam's following sins , as of the first , then th●●e is the same guilt . But there were the same causes : go . 1. We were seminally in Adam as well when he committed his second sin as his first . 2. The same Law as to the precept and threatning was in force ( as de futuro ) when he committed his second sin , as when he committed the first . 1. It cannot be doubted but Adam sinned oft between the time of his eating the fruit , and God's making the promise of a Redeemer . For his soul being depraved , and turned into a wrong course of action , must needs act sinfully . 2. Yea we could not be guilty of his eating the forbidden fruit , if we are guilty only of his first sin . For that was not the first . His unbelief of God , and believing the Serpent , and others more , did go before it . 3. Yea , the sins that Adam committed after the Promise , do in their nature deserve our sufferings as much as the first , though that desert had a remedy provided . If any still reduce all to God's meer will , and say that it was his will in his first actions to deal with Adam as the root of mankind , but not in his later sins ; I must expect , till they bring some proof of such a will of God , or such a Law ; and still say , that the will and law of God doth not make sinners of innocent men , nor make sinners no sinners any otherwise than by pardoning and sanctifying them ▪ So that 〈◊〉 were as much in Adam after the promise as before , and his sin was of the same demerit naturally ; and therefore we are as well guilty of that as of the first . And then for the consequent , it is acknowledged by most of those whom we now oppose , that we are equally related to Adam's later sins , and to those of our neerer Parents , ( I mean , to all that Adam committed before the propagation of his Progeny . ) And there are the same causes , as is before manifested . Though our neerer Parents were not the root of all mankind as Adam was , yet are they as much a cause of us and our nature , and of so much of mankind as spring from their loins , as Adam was . And all the progeny of Cain did spring as truly from him as from Adam : And all the World since the Flood were as truly in the loins of Noah as of Adam : and so naturally equally interessed in their sins . Arg. 4. If our natures may be corrupted more by the sins of our neerer Parents , then may they be guilty by them as well as by Adam's . But the antecedent I have before proved : go . The consequence depends on the fameness of the reasons , that guilt and depravation should concur from our neerer Parents as well as from our first : And it seems that participation in guilt is pre-requisite to the depravation of nature ; else it might seem some kind of injury to us , that another should have power to make us so miserable . Sin is commonly called the punishment of sin . Arg. 5. If God may without any injustice bring death both temporal and eternal on the son of a sinner , without intending it as a punishment to the Son for the Father's sin ; then may he also without injustice ( nay in justice ) inflict the same death as a penalty for the Father's sin : But the antecedent is true ; as I prove thus . 1. That which all Rulers may do without injustice , that God may do without injustice . But all Rulers may without injustice deprive the children of a Traytor , or other offender , of those enjoyments which the Father hath forfeited himself , and which were to have been conveyed from the Father to the child , if the Father had not forfeited them . If a Traytor forfeit his Lands , and Honours , his Son is justly deprived of them , though the Prince intend it not as a punishment to the Son. Because the Father cannot convey to his Son that which he hath not himself ; as having lost it on his forfeiture : and the Son hath no right to it when the Fathers right is gone . So if a wicked man do forfeit his right to all blessings in this life , or that to come , he cannot convey a right to his Son which he had not himself . And what other way should that Son have such a right , unless God should give it him ; which he is or was free to do or not . It 's true that God by a new covenant hath given this everlasting life to believers : but that 's not to all ; nor doth that deny them to be guilty of their Parents sin before , nor yet that it deserveth death still as to its nature , and might bring it , were it not pardoned . 2. God hath no obligation on him according to the Law of works , to give health , peace , or any blessing in this life , much less eternal glory to the son of a sinner . 2. And for the consequence , 1. It is evident from what is said , that God cannot be charged with hard or cruel dealing , in regard of any wrong that we should suffer , if he punish us ( thus by deprivation ) for our Parents sins : for if it be no cruelty to do the same thing upon the meer occasion of their sins , ( which is unquestionable , ) then it is no cruelty to do it in respect to their sin , as the deserving cause . 2. And for the point of justice , as it is already proved to be non injustum , so it may be proved to be justum , thus . Where there is a real participation in the sin , there it is just that there should be a participation in the punishment , because of that sin . But we did really participate in the sin , as of Adam , so of our neerer Parents : go . For the minor : they that were seminally in them , ( though not by personal existence ) did really participate with them in their sin . But we were seminally in them : go . This will be further confirmed in that which followeth . Arg. 6. If we should have been guilty of the sin of our neerest Parents , though Adam had never sinned , then are we guilty of them now : But the antecedent is true : go . Here I suppose that Adam had not sinned , and our neerest Parents had . If any say this is not to be supposed . I answer ; Though it may not be affirmed to have so been , yet we may in dispute suppose it had been . Nor have I yet seen it proved that God made any such promise to Adam , as to confirm all his posterity , on condition that he did not commit that , or any sin . If Adam had begot a posterity no better than himself was in his first created perfection , and under the same Law , then they would have been peceable and mutable as he was , and liable to the same penalty upon their sin as he was . But Adam would have begot a posterity no better than himself , for ought we can find by Scripture , which no where promiseth him a better , that is , an immutable or indesectible posterity : and they would have been under the same Law ; for it was suited to their perfect nature : go . From what is said , the antecedent is evident . For if we should have been as much in our neerest Parents as we were in Adam , and they have been under the same : Law ▪ then their sin would have brought on us the same guilt and punishment . For example , if Cain had been the first sinner , and Seth had been innocent ; the posterity of Cain would have been all guilty and corrupted , as Adam's posterity now is . For the same causes would have produced the same effects . The consequence is clear , in that Adam's sinning first can be no cause why we should not be guilty of the following sins of our neerer Parents , which otherwise we should have been guilty of . Arg. 7. None can be naturally the propagators of a nature better than their own , ( or a person better than themselves . ) But if Parents who are manifoldly guilty of death did propagate a nature not guilty , then should they propagate a nature ( or person ) better than their own : go . Here I must explain my meaning , by distinguishing of evil positive ( if such be ) and privative : Between evils adhering to our nature or essence , and those that adhere but to some integral part : Between a total privation and a partial : Between a privation real or physical , and relative . And so I conclude that , 1. I speak not here of positive evil , as such , ( if such there be , ) but of privative . 2. I speak not of every evil that adhereth only to some part , and not to nature it self . For I know a lame man may beget a Son not lame , and a sick man may beget a sound child . 3. Nor do I speak of such a partial privation which may consist with the prevalency of the contrary ; and which nature may supply , or overcome . 4. Nor yet of a privation of some physical good , ( though that be another part of our unhappiness , ) but of a relation or right . 5. Nor of a privation accidentally accrewing to the person , and limited to himself alone by the will 〈◊〉 another ; but of one that is without any such limitation , naturally , or by necessary resultancy fallen upon him . Furthermore it must be observed ; 1. that the guilt that we now speak of is no natural being , but a relative , and that not proper and compleat , but , as we may call it , a privative relation , participating of the nature of a proper relation but little more than a natural privation doth of natural being . A right to life is a true relation , which by sin we are deprived of : yet because there is not only the non debitum habendi , but the debitum non habendi , I will not deny but even in this privation there is a kind of relatio rationis . 2. Observe that we are not now speaking of the duness of positive torments ; for I say nothing of that in this point of guilt of progenitors sins . 3. Note that many learned Philosophers and Divines affirm that all evil is a privation of good formally ; ( see Barlow's Exercit. de Natura Mali. ) And if that hold , then it seems that our Parents sins do bring upon us a guilt of all evil of punishment : for when they have forfeited all good , they can convey no right of any to us . 4. Note also , that right to blessedness more or less , doth not adhere to the nature of man as man ; ( for then those in Hell should have it : ) but it is a separable thing , depending on the will of God : And therefore our Parents may convey our nature , without any right to such blessings . 5. When I say that it is naturally , and by necessary resultancy , that a sinner is thus guilty , I do not exclude God's free will as the antecedent cause in making Nature it self , and the Law : but the indifferency , or non-necessity of the effect when the causes are once in nature thus laid . Gnd might have chosen to have made man such as he is , that is , man : and having so made him , whether he might have chosen to make him that Law which we call the Law of nature , I will not now dispute ; ( though I think not : because that Law of nature is nothing but the very nature of man himself , considered as related to God , and withal the nature of the whole creation ; which all per modum signi do shew man the will of God concerning what shall be due from man , and to man. ) But this is clear , that God having freely made man in that relation , and under that Law as he did , his breach of that Law doth then by a natural necessity bring him under guilt : for if the subjectum , fundamentum & terminus be put in being , the relation cannot be avoided ; for that were a contradiction . Having given this explication , I suppose little more need to be said for the proof of the premises . For the major , it seems now clear , that a person who hath lost his right totally to life , or any blessing , cannot convey to another person , of whom he is the root , a nature that hath right to that life or blessing . For nemo dat quod non habet . 2. And this seems plainly to be no meer negation of right , ( in the derived nature , ) but a privation . Because if our progenitors had none of them sinned , we should have been born with that right which now we want ; and so we had seminally and virtually a right our selves : which being lost , it is a privation to us , and not a meer negation ; and so a punishment , and not a meer affliction : Yet as the right of our Parents themselves , ( as Adam ) who were personally existent , was a more full and proper right than ours who were but seminally in them ; so our privation is not in so plenary and proper a sense called a privation , nor a punishment , as theirs is , or as our own is for our actual sins : And so our guilt is not so full and proper a guilt ; but analogically so called , as Accidens is called Ens. And this seems to me to be the true difference between our guilt of our Parents sins , and of our own : and our punishment for theirs , ( original from Adam , or others , ) and of our own actual sin . And perhaps Zuinglius meant thus , when he denied Original sin to be properly called sin . So far as such a seminal right or possibility which the seed hath through the Parent , doth differ from the Parents own right ; so far there is a difference in the formal nature of penalty and guilt , upon the loss of that right . It is doubtless some more loss that the Son of a Traytor hath , by his Fathers forfeiture of his Lands , than a stranger may be said to have by that forfeiture , who never was in a possibility of enjoying them . It is therefore no meer negation , but a privation , and consequently participateth of the nature of penalty , and the obligation thereto of the nature of guilt . And thus in the major proposition of this Argument I place the very reason of original guilt , from Adam , or any Parents . The minor is plain : If Adam should convey to Abel a nature that hath right to life , or that is not deprived of the right it was in possibility of , or seminally had , then he should propagate a better nature than his own , and give that which he had not to give . And so if our neerest Parents , who are by a manifold obligation deprived of that right , should convey to us a nature that is deprived of it but by a single obligation , they also should propagate a better nature than their own . But that cannot be . God by his Grace may make us better than our Parents : but they by natural procreation cannot . Arg. 8. Where punishment may justly follow , there guilt did go before : But punishment of children for their Parents sin committed while they were in their loins , may justly follow : go . there guilt did go before . The major is proved , in that all punishment is for some fault , whereof the person punished was some way guilty . Obj. It sufficeth that another were guilty of it : Answ . One mans sin deserveth not another mans punishment , further than that other doth some way participate in the guilt . Only we must distinguish between guilt by personal commission or omission , and guilt by moral and reputative , or by natural participation : Only Adam or other Parents were guilty by personal commission or omission , as to those particular sins : but we are guilty by natural participation , in that we derive all our nature and personal being from persons so guilty : And we are guilty by reputative participation , of the sins of mankind , ( in Adam , ) and of the Societies that we are members of , ( quoad nudum meritum , still , ) in that we are justly reputed to consent to partake of the benefits or penalties of such Societies , when we voluntarily become and continue members of them . Obj. Christ himself was justly punished , and yet was not guilty of our sin . Answ . He was not guilty by commission , or by natural participation : but he had an analogical guilt by reputative participation ; that is , by his own voluntary sponsion , putting himself quoad poenam in the room of finners : but mark the limitation ; it was but quoad poenam , that he undertook this task , viz. that though he were not properly guilty , yet he consented to suffer as if he were guilty , for the sakes of them that were . So that his own consent was a just cause of the derivation of the penalty to his own person which did not commit the sin ; and so that analogical guilt was instead of proper guilt . It may well he said that Christ was guilty ad poenam , as obliged to punishment , in that his own consent was sufficient to induce an obligation to punishment . Obj. May not God's pleasure bring on us a reputative guilt of Adam's sin , and not of our neerer Parents ? seeing he hath absolute power over us , and therefore his will may serve instead of our consent , as the will of a Parent may be instead of the infants will. Answ . God bringeth not guilt on any by efficiency , or making them such as deserve punishment : but by imputation and adjudication . Otherwise God should be the cause of sin , as sin : for so to make guilty , is to make a man really a sinner . Our Parents may will sin , and so may do it for us , because we are seminally in them : but God cannot will sin . Our Parents by willing it , do first become sinners themselves , and then convey the guilt to us : but so cannot God. It being therefore but by reputation and adjudication that he judgeth men so guilty of sin , it is apparent that his judgment must have some ground in the nature of the thing ; and the man must be guilty before God judge him so : for his judgment is according to truth . And therefore it must needs be that there must be some reason in our selves why Adam's sin should be judged ours , or why we should be judged liable to punishment for it : and that must be , because we derive our natures from him : And then there is the same reason for our guilt of neerer Parents sin , save only that God hath since more freed us from the danger of that suffering , which by such sins we might have undergone , ( as he pardoneth to us Adam's imputed sin also . ) The minor of the Argument will be anon cleared in the following Arguments . Obj. It is indeed a punishment that is due to children for their Parents sins : but it is only to the Parents that it is formally punishment ; and to themselves it is but materially so , and so but affliction , because the sin , and so the guilt , was only the Parents , though the child be the subject of the suffering . Answ . 1. If this were granted , it would still hold good , that God may justly lay that suffering which is materially punishment , upon children , for the sins of immediate Parents . 2. If this were so , then it will equally follow that we may not be formally but materially punished for Adam's sin , seeing the reason is manifested to be the same . 3. I have shewed that there must be some reason on the part of the sufferer , why he should suffer for another mans sin : Now with us in the present case , it is evident that the reason is , because we are their seed , and have our natures from them : go . this is a less-perfect , or analogical guilt . Obj. God doth inflict sufferings on the beasts for mans sin , without any cause on their part : go . he may do so by infants . Answ . 1. God is not the Rector of Beasts in a moral proper sense ; but only in a natural improper sense , as a Pilot ruleth a Ship , or an Herdsman Cattel : And therefore he hath made no Law for them , nor hath engaged his fidelity to them concerning the conditions of their happiness or misery , as he hath done to man : And therefore bruits are not capable of sin or punishment , though they be of suffering . So that childrens case and theirs do differ . 2. Yet when the bruits suffer for mans sin , it is because of their relation to man : And therefore children must suffer because of their relation , which is natural , and so neer that it makes them truly capable of guilt . So that according to the subject , the same suffering receives a various form and denomination , and so doth the obligation . In the personal committers of the sin , there is guilt and punishment due to them , in the primary , fullest , and most proper sense : on the children that were then in their loins , it is guilt and punishment , more imperfectly , as by analogy of attribution : in the bruits , when sacrificed , or destroyed for their Masters sin , it is but equivocally guilt and punishment . I shall proceed to some Texts of Scripture . Arg. 9. Deut. 28. 18. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body . Children are cursed for the sins of immediate Parents : go . punished . Obj. It is only to the Parents that it is a punishment . Answ . True in the primary sense : but as the children participate of their nature , so also of the nature of guilt and punishment . It is a threatning of natural evil to a rational creature , because of a moral evil , which he hath some participation of : go , it is by participation a true punishment . Obj. You may as well say that the bruits and inanimates are punished , for they are here cursed too . Answ . This was answered even now . The same evil threatned against a bruit , is no punishment , which threatned against a reasonable creature , is a punishment , because of , their different capacities . Obj. The meaning of the Text is but this : Thou shalt be denied the desired fruit of tby body ; i. e. your women shall be barren . Answ . That may be part of the meaning : but as that is not the full proper sense of the words , so is there no reason from the Text for limiting it to that only ; and many other Texts of Scripture tell us that it is , to be extended further . Obj. This was the voice of the Law of Works , which God doth not now govern the World by . Answ . 1. This is a Law which was in force since Adam , and the Promise : and therefore not then abrogated . 2. It is as much as I plead for , that according to the law of nature , punishment is our due for our neerer Parents sins or else it had not been put in this curse by Moses : But that Christ hath provided a remedy in the Gospel , for that and original sin as from Adam , and our actual sin it self , I thankfully acknowledge . I say not therefore that eventually any shall perish for the imputed act of his Parents sin , to whom it is pardoned by the Grace of Christ . Arg. 10. Exod. 20. 5. It is expressed in the moral Law it self , [ For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God , visiting the iniquity of the Fathers upon the children to the third and fourth Generation of them that hate me ; ] so Deut. 5. 9. and so God proclaims his name to Moses , Exod. 34. 7. Here then is a threatning determining punishment to be due to the children for their neerer Parents sin : for God will visit ; that is , in justice punish it on them . The objections before answered , I pass by . Obj. This is only against those children that do themselves tread in their Fathers steps . Answ . True , as to the adult . But it is the Parents sins that are visited on them . Those children are especially threatned , because it is they that lie under such guilt ununremedied : But it 's thence plain that it was the case of all , till they receive the remedy : for the childs actual sin doth not then begin to make him guilty of his Parents sin , but only shews him to lie under that guilt . Obj. Yes ; it is by consenting to our Parents sin when we come to age , that we become guilty of them . Answ . That 's not the first guilt : and that consenting brings not on us the same formal numerical sin or guilt that was on our Parents ; ( for one accident cannot pass from one subject to another , nor remain in two subjects : ) but it brings only a guilt of the like sort ; so that ours is but the guilt of consenting to their sin : But the Text here saith expresly , that it is the sins of the Fathers that are visited on the children . Obj. It is meant of children in an ethical sense , that is , not natural , but the heirs of their vices . Answ . It is plain in the Text that it is to natural children , and therefore the third and fourth Generation are mentioned : ( though it 's true , that it is not all those children that lie under that guilt , but only those that inherit their vices . ) Otherwise the threatning should be equally to any other mans natural children , that imitate your sin : But that 's against the plain Text : Though it be true , that any other mans children that imitate your sin , are liable to punishment for such imitation : yet not for your sin . Arg. 11. Eph. 2. 3. 11 , 12. [ Were by nature the children of wrath , even as others . — Remember that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh , — that at that time ye were without Christ , being aliens from the Common-wealth of Israel , and strangers from the Covenants of Promise , having no hope , and without God in the World. ] The first words are commonly understood of a state of wrath derived from Parents by natural Generation . If that be not the meaning , then I confess it makes nothing to prove either the imputation of Adam's sin , or other Parents ; nor native corruption neither : But if that be the sense , as is commonly judged , then is there no intimation for a restriction of it to Adam's sin , as the only cause of our desert of that wrath ; nay , the later verses , and the whole scope of the place gives it as a special reason ; that [ they were Gentiles in the flesh ] . So that it seems to me some state of wrath which Israel was not under , that is here meant ; or at least , some what more to them as the seed of the Gentiles , than was common to Israel . It appears also from the following verses , that when Christ took away the enmity , so that the Gentiles were no more strangers and foreigners , but fellow-Citizens of the Saints , and of the houshold of God , and no more without God , Covenant , Hope , &c. that Christ did deliver the Gentiles from a special punishment ( and consequently guilt ) which lay on them and their seed , more than on the Jews . So Gal. 2. 15. [ We who are Jews by nature , and not sinners of the Gentiles ] which intimates plainly that the Gentiles were by nature in a worse state than the Jews : and therefore had by nature some more guilt than they . Obj. That is not because the Gentiles were by nature guilty of any more than Adam's sin , but because the Jews were by nature freed from that guilt ; which made the difference . Answ . I confess that may be much , taking the word [ nature ] but as the cause of the persons to whom the benefit is given , and not as the cause of the gift , or thing given . But yet that seems not all which is meant , when we are called [ sinners of the Gentiles , and strangers and foreigners , &c. ] For these shew some further transgression of our Parents that bound the sin of Adam falier on us , and increased our guilt beyond that of the Jews , I mean , increased it fundamentaliter quoad ●iusam meritoriam , though not terminative quoad poenam demeritam . And indeed , it was not all the Jews that were freed from the guilt of Adam's sin ; but only those of them that were within the special Covenant of Grace . Arg. 12. Matth. 23. 31 , 35 , 36. [ Wherefore ye be witnesses to your selves that ye are the children of them which killed the Prophets : Fill ye up then the measure of your Fathers . Ye serpents ! ye generation of vipers ! how shall ye escape the damnation of hell ? — That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed on the earth , from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zaccharias son of Barachias , whom ye slew between the Temple and the Altar : Verily I say unto you ; all these things shall come upon this Generation . ] Here , 1. that which they are brought in to witness against themselves , is something that may justly subject them to punishment : But that which they must so witness is , [ that they are the children of them that killed the Prophets , ] ( and not of Adam only : ) go . &c. 2. From hence Christ concludeth , 1. [ Fill up the measure of your Fathers , &c. ] q. d. 1. Having the same corrupt natures with your Parents , no wonder if ye do the same deeds . 2. It is just with God to forsake you for their sakes , and permit you to follow the nature that you have from them . 2. He calls them a generation of vipers and serpents , not only because of their first Father , but because of the murderers of the Prophets . 3. He saith , that the righteous blood shed by their Fathers shall come on them : so that it appeareth that it is not only their own imitation of their Parents blood shed that comes on them , but even that very blood that was shed by their Parents before they were born . 4. He gives the reason from their natural participation , [ whom ye slew : ] and [ ye are the children of them that killed , &c. ] q. d. In as much as your Parents did it , and you have your nature from them , it 's just that all this be imputed to you , and that you suffer as the doers of it your selves ; which yet you might have remedied by leaving their sinful ways : but being your selves imitaters of them , you shall bear both the sins which they and which your selves have committed . Arg. 13. Psal . 109. 9 , 10 , 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 , 16. [ Let his children be continually vagabonds , and beg : and let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places . — Neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children : let his posterity be cut off , and in the generation following let their name be blotted out . Let the iniquity of bis Fathers be remembred with the Lord , and let not the sin of his Mother be blotted out . Let them be before the Lord continually , that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth . ] Here seems to be as plain evidence , that we may be justly punished for the sins of our neerer Parents , as any is in Scripture to prove the imputation of Adam's sin . 1. David desireth a curse upon this sinners posterity , even before they are born , or before he knows what they will prove . 2. And this is not because of Adam's sin , though that also lay upon them ; but , as he expresseth it , ver . 16. [ because he remembred not to shew mercy , but persecuted the po● and needy man , &c. ] 3. Yea , he desireth that God would remember the iniquity of his Father , and not blot out the sin of his Mother : which cannot be meant of any punishment that David would have God inflict on that Father or Mother . He is not of a spirit so cruel and contrary to the Gospel , as to desire that God would not forgive them that are dead long ago , and either in joy or misery ; when he knew not whether they died penitently , or impenitently . If any say that he did know by the spirit of prophesie , or special vision , that they did die impenitently , and are in hell : 1. I desire them that affirm it , to prove it . 2. If so , what need he desire that God would not forgive them , or blot out their sin , which he knew was now beyond possibility . 3. But the next words in the Text shew that he speaks only of the sin of the dead Ancestors , as it lieth on the posterity , and not on themselves : For as it was not the dead , but the living , that David prayeth against , so he next saith , Let them be before the Lord continually , that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth . ] So that it is a penalty on him that then was living , and upon his posterity , that David prays for , even that his Parents sin may be remembred against him , and his sin remembred against his children ; and not that any of them may be remembred against the dead , who , for ought he knew , might some of them be pardoned in Heaven . Obj. This might be an unlawful Prayer . Answ . Then would it not be recorded among the sacred forms which were dictated by the Holy Ghost , without one word of check or reprehension . Obj. It is but temporal judgments that David desires for the Parents sin . Answ . 1. It 's known that the judgments and blessings of God are mostly expressed in the old Testament , as consisting in things temporal ; because it was not yet the fulness of time for Grace , and the great fruits and concomitants of it to be revealed to the full . Life and immortality are brought to light ( in a greater measure ) in the Gospel . 2. I have proved in the beginning , that If God may inflict temporal death on children for Parents sin , then also may he inflict eternal , as to the penalty of loss , and so much of the pain of sense as the apprehension of that loss must needs infer . He that depriveth man of life , depriveth him of all the comforts of it : and he that may do so , may leave him his life without those comforts , if he please . Arg. 14. [ Psal . 137. 9. Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones . ] Here Babylon's children are to be dashed against the stones , not only for Adam's , but their neerer Parents sins : As is plain , in that those are given as the reason , in the Psalm . Arg. 15. Job . 21. 19. [ God layeth up his iniquity for his children , ] that is , a punishment for his very iniquity . So Job 27. 14. If his children be multiplied , it is for the sword ; and his off-spring shall not be satisfied with bread : Those that remain of him shall be buried in death . So Job . 17. 5. Even the eyes of his children shall fail . So Job 5. 4. Arg. 16. The infants were to be part of the fasting , mourning , repenting , sanctified Assembly , Joel . 2. 15 , 16. which was not to lament Adam's sin only , but their later sins : go . the infants had some sort of participation in the guilt and danger of punishment . Arg. 17. Nahum . 3. 10. [ Her young children also were dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets . ] This mentioned as God's punishment for Parents sins . The like is oft in the Lament . So Hos . 13. 16. Samaria shall become desolate , for she hath rebelled against her God ; they shall fall by the sword , their infants shall be dashed in pieces , and their women with child shall be rip'd up . Arg. 18. Jer. 29. 32. [ Thus saith the Lord ; I will punish Shemaiah the Nehelamite and his seed , because he hath taught rebellion against the Lord. ] Mark here , it is called [ punishing his seed . ] So of Jehoiakim , Jer. 36. 31. I will punish him and his seed , &c. So Jer. 22. 28 , 30. Arg. 19. Isa . 14. 20. [ The seed of evil doers shall never be renowned . ] Isa . 1. 4. [ A people laden with iniquity ; a seed of evil doers . ] Psal . 21. 10. [ Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth , and their seed from among the children of men . ] Psal . 37. 28. [ The seed of the wicked shall be cut off . ] So Psal . 106. 27. And it 's oft made a reproach , and a note of men liable to contempt ; as Isa . 57. 3. [ Ye sons of the Sorceress , the seed of the Adulterer and the Whore : so oft . Mal. 2. 15. may have somewhat to this sense ; [ And wherefore one ? that he might seek a godly seed : ] whereof one reason may be , when they contract no guilt of Parents Adultery . I might here also draw an argument not contemptible from the interest of the seed of the faithful in the benefits of free Grace : But because I have been so long , I will add but one more , and in that sum up many more Scriptures . Arg. 20. From all the examples of God's actual execution of Justice on children for the sins of neerer Parents . 1. For that of Cain's I mentioned it before , out of Matth. 23. And the Text shews that his seed suffered for his sake , and not only for Adam's , when there was such a difference made between Seth's and his , that his seed are called , the children of men ; and so far excommunicated , that the sons of God were not to joyn with them in Marriage . 2. The infants of the whole World were drowned in the floud , not only because of Adam's sin , but because their Fathers were grown so wicked . And it seems by Peter ; 1 Pet. 3. 19 , 20. that they are part of the spirits in Prison . When in the mean time , Noah's whole Family ( even wicked Cham ) are saved for his sake . 3. When Sodom is burnt , all the infants perish . And it seems by Jude 7. that they suffer the vengeance of eternal fire ; and the reason is , because they gave themselves over to fornication , and strange flesh . Ibid. 4. God destroyed all the first born of Egypt for the Princes and Parents sin . 5. Moses commandeth to kill every male of the Midianites among the little ones , even after they had given them quarter , and brought them home , Numb . 31. 17. 6. So did they , and more , to the subjects of Sihon , Deut. 2. 34. They utterly destroyed the men and the women , and the little ones of every City and left none to remain . 7. So did they by Og the King of Bashan , and his subjects , Deut. 3. 6. besides the rest of the inhabitants , whom they drove out . 8. The like God denounceth against themselves for their rebellion , Deut , 32. 25. 9. The like is executed on Achan's Family , Judg. 7. 24 , 25. which indeed goes beyond the case in hand . 10. God commandeth Saul to slay both man , woman , infants , and suckling of 〈◊〉 Amalekites , 1 Sam. 15. 3. 11. God killeth the child begotten by David in Adultery , for his sin . 12. He threatens out of his own loins to raise up evil against David for that sin , and other evils . 13. He bringeth a curse on Eli's house after him , for his and his sons sins . 14. He saith , for Solomon's sin , he will afflict the seed of David , 1 Kin. 11. 39. and so rendeth from him the ten tribes . 15. He cutteth off , and bringeth evil on Ahab's posterity for his sake , 1 Kin. 21. 21. 15. He rejected all the seed of Israel , and afflicted them , and delivered them into the hand of the enemy for their Parents sin , 2 Kings 17. 20. 16. Manasseh's sin God would not pardon to his posterity , when he was dead , and pardoned himself , 2 Kin. 24. 3 , 4. 17. Ezek. 9. 6. He gives the like command , [ Slay utterly old and young , both maids and little children . ] 18. The children of Babylon , Shemaiah and others are mentioned before . 19. I will mention but two more , which shall be very remarkable . The first is , 2 Sam. 21. where the plague of famine is inflicted for Saul's sin , and healed by the sacrificing of seven of his posterity . 20. The last is the sad example of the Jews , for killing Christ ; who , being acquainted , it seems , with this doctrine that I maintain , did say to Pilate , His blood be on us , and on our children : and so it hath been , and is to this day , to the terror of all the Churches , who therein may behold the severity of the Lord. So much cursorily for the proof of the Assertion . In the next place we must answer some more of the chief objections , besides what are already answered on the by . And first I will answer those that make equally against the imputation of Adam's or our neerer Parents sin : And because learned and judicious Placaeus hath said more to the matter ( in Thes . Salmuriens . Vol. 1. de statu hom . lapsi ante Grat. pag. 206 , 207. Thes . 12 , 13 , 14 , &c. ) than any that I know of , I shall consider of his reasons ; as they are brought against the imputation of Adam's actual sin , to his posterity ; and consequently make against our participation in the guilt of our neerer Parents actual sins . 1. He saith it is not agreeable to that of Ezek. The Son shall not bear the iniquity of the Father : for we should bear the iniquity of Adam . Answ . 1. This speaks of a Son that disowneth his Fathers iniquity , and hateth it , and goeth not in the same way ; as is plain , Ezek. 18. 5 , 6. 14 , to 17. and of no other : such shall not die for Parents sins . 2. But this is no proof that he never deserved death for them ; but only that through gracious indulgence , it shall not be inflicted . So that this is a passage of Grace , and not of pure Justice according to the meer law of works . Obj. God speaks it to prove his Righteousness , and not his Grace : ver . 29. Answ . It is his ordinate Righteousness according to the promise of Grace , which he must fulfil , and not according to the meer law of works or nature , which he vindicateth : It is his just and equal dealings with men compared one to another , supposing that they stand all upon terms of Grace . 3. And this is yet more plain , in that the very same promise , on the same ground , is made to them that repent , and turn from their evil ways : ver . 21 , 22. Certainly the promise of pardon of sin is a promise of Grace , and not an effect of the pure law of nature or works . So that the reason here why that Son , who himself doth that which is lawful and right , shall not die for the Fathers sin , is the same as why a repenting sinner shall not die for his sin , ver . 21 , 22. which can be no other than pardoning Grace ; which is so far from proving that there was no precedent guilt , that it undoubtedly proves that there was : for where there is no guilt , there can be no pardon . This answer shall serve also to those that confess the imputation of Adam's sin , and yet from hence argue against the imputation of other Parents sins . To which I shall add , as to them , that this Text is no more against one than the other : go . if it be not against the former , it is not against the later . Let them shew any intimated difference . 2. Saith Placaeus , It agreeth not with right reason . For , 1. If Adam's sin be imputed , then his obedience ought to be imputed , if he had continued innocent . Answ . The word imputation , as ambiguous , I purposely avoid , unless where I may explain it : but not the sense before explained . I grant that to be true , which he supposeth absurd : But I say withal , that yet Adam's imputed righteousness alone would have saved none that had had the least personal unrighteousness of his own . Because bonum est ex causis integris , we should have been innocent as we came into the World ; but yet the next sin of our own would have spoiled that innocency . 2. Further , I shewed before that there is not the same reason for conveying accidental benefits to nature , as for conveying a nature deprived of them . In case of privation , the Parents cannot convey what they have not : But though they had it , yet it followeth not that they should convey it , if it were a supervenient accident separable from nature : as for example , any right to a reward that Adam might be supposed to attain by his obedience : this might be proper to himself . 3. He addeth , [ at least , all the sins which Adam committed while we were in his loins , must be imputed to us . ] Answ . I grant it , and say that so they are : yet with the fore-mentioned difference , that the first sin depriving us of all title to all God's benefits , the second could deprive us of no more ; and so could add no more guilt terminative , but only fundamentaliter . 4. He adds , [ so should all the sins of our intermediate Parents , seeing when they committed them , we were as much in them as in Adam . ] Answ . I grant all , with the last mentioned difference : Let those that go on other grounds answer the Objector as well as they can . 5. He adds , [ yea the death of Adam should be so imputed to us : for if he sinned as the Head of mankind , why should he not also be punished in the same respect ? If we were not bound to obey that prohibition , but in his person , surely neither to be punished : for the commination belongs no otherwise to us than the prohibition . ] Answ . But withal consider , that though God might have satisfied his justice with destroying Adam , and so putting an end to humane race ; yet , 1. He was no way bound to do this : He that a little before bid man encrease and multiply , might let him enjoy his forfeited life : that was no injustice . 2. Yea , when God had so lately made so glorious a structure for the demonstration and communication of his goodness , &c. it may seem in wisdom much fitter for him to let the sinning creature live , while he provideth , propoundeth , and applyeth a remedy , than presently to destroy the works that he had made , though man deserved it . 3. I pray you mark then the grounds that I go on : I say not that we personally were then guilty in Adam ; but that we draw a guilt with our natures from Adam . God having in just and merciful wisdom resolved that we shall survive , and so humane nature be propagated , it can be no other but a guilty nature that is so propagated , which God is not bound to hinder ; but rather in wisdom not to hinder it , if that might be called an obligation . 6. It is further objected , [ Moreover , how did we sin in Adam actually , who were never actually in him ? ] Answ . 1. I say not that we then sinned in Adam properly ; no more than that we did exist in Adam . For , as I know that existere est esse extra causas , so I know that the act of sin , and the relation of guilt , are accidents that must have an existent subject , if they exist : and therefore we cannot be sinners , and guilty before we are . But I say , that when we first are , we have a nature received from a guilty progenitor , and therefore a guilty nature , because he cannot convey to us the right to felicity which he lost . 2. We were seminally in Adam , and so sinned in him : though I know , as to personal actual existence , this is but terminus diminuens , yet is it more than meerly potential . 7. It 's objected , [ How could that act be voluntary as to us , which was long past before that we had any will ? ] Answ . As we did not personally exist in Adam , so did we not will that act in Adam : But yet when we received a will from Adam , it was quaedam natura , and guilty of what his will was guilty , though not by the guilt of actual commission , yet of derivation and participation : And thus it is reputatively voluntary . 8. It 's next replied to some of the common reasons on our part ; [ There was indeed humane nature in Adam ; but singular , and divided from this of ours . And if the first act of sin were an act of nature , why not also the first act of generation ? yet no man will say that in Adam we did beget Cain or Seth. ] Answ . 1. This makes nothing against me , who say not that we then sinned in Adam properly : but that we received a guilty nature from Adam ; which then began to be a sinful or guilty nature or person , when it began to be a nature or person ; and before that was but a guilty seed . 2. Faults and punishments being quid moral vel civile , a political thing , may be moraliter & reputative transferred : and therefore as a man may suffer as a membe● 〈◊〉 a sinful Society , though personally innocent , so might we as branches of mankind . But generation being quid naturale , there is no such ground for such an imputation , or reputative translation of it . So that the case is not alike . 9. It follows ; [ And if Adam did deserve to himself a punishment equal to that his sin ▪ that is , as great as God had threatned , shall we think that Justice will require other punishments from innumerable other men for that same sin ? ] Answ . Adam did deserve a punishment as great as his personal nature was capable of , and also the same to all that should come from his loins . If God had destroyed him before he had any posterity , it would indeed have prevented the propagation of guilt , by preventing the being of a capable subject ; but yet there would have been in Adam's sin a desert of such a propagated guilt , or a reason for it , on supposition that there were a nature from him propagated . I deny therefore the Antecedent , on supposition that God would let the course of humane generation go on , according to the newly established Law of nature : It was not only to his own person that Adam deserved this punishment . Or thus I may deny the Consequence : Though Adam deserved punishment only to his person , yet it being to his whole person , and our persons being then seminally in his , and so after existing from his , it follows , that what he deserved to his person , is propagated to those to whom that person propagates a being ; seeing it is of himself , and out of himself , that we proceed , and not by a meer efficient causality , as in creation , or fabrication , but he affordeth us our matter . 10. It 's further objected , [ Either that sin had but one adequate guilt , which was to be divided among all Adam's posterity ; or as many guilts as men : If the first , then it is but a little of that sin that is imputed , or of the punishment that is due to each of us singularly . If the later ; then one sin should not have one guilt , nor one adequate punishment , but innumerable . ] Answ . The fundamentum is sin ; and that is one : so the guilt is one fundamentaliter & subjective primario ; but more than one fundamentaliter & subjective per derivationem : on supposition , that according to the course of nature the one first guilty subject procreate more ; for thereby sin is propagated with , and in nature . If the Law of this Land do ordain , that a Traytor and his posterity be all disinherited and banished ; you may here put your dilematical question , and as you answer it , so would we . If the Law of God deprive rebellious man of all his felicity , and leave him his natural being , he will beget a posterity therefore deprived of it , because they are his posterity ; Call this one guilt or two , as you please : I call it one fundamentally , and one subjectively while there was but one subject ; and many consequently by propagation , when that one subject is as it were multiplied into many . So that this is but about words , and not things . 11. It 's further argued ; [ Lastly , if we are therefore guilty of Adam's disobedience , because we are his Sons ; so that neither the miraculous generation in respect of both Parents , ( such as was Isaack's and John Baptist's , ) nor yet a divine creation of the soul without the operation of man , can exempt any man from it : what then shall we say of our Lord ? For his miraculous Conception by the Holy Ghost did not hinder him from being truly the Son of Adam , arising from the fruit of David's loins . ] Answ . I confess this objection hath oft seemed more difficult to me than all the rest : but I see no reason that it should overthrow all our grounds . For it stands on the supposition of many uncertainties ; especially about the way of humane generation , and the natural interest of male and female comparatively therein , &c. But passing by all these , ( because the very naming of difficulties I find offendeth many , ) I stand on the common answer , though the part or interest of Mary in Christ's Conception was so much as might prove him man of man , and give him the name of the Son of Man , of David , of Adam ; yet that was but secundum quid , or in the smaller part : for the interest of the Holy Ghost in that Conception was the predominant interest : and therefore he is said in our Creed simply , [ to be conceived by the Holy Ghost , and born of the Virgin Mary ; ] and he is principally and more fully to be called the Son of God , than of Man , even according to his humanity , how much soever of his material substance might be of the Virgin. This being so , he could not stand guilty of Adam's , or any Parents sin , because in the predominant sense , he was not one of their off-spring , but the Son of God , conceived by the Holy Ghost . 2. And if the Holy Ghost's Conception do free Christ from the actual corruption of his nature , as your self confess ; why not as well from the foresaid guilt or imputation , supposing that such there is ? For why else should not natural pravity adhere to the substance which he received from the Virgin ? To imagine that Mary was born without original sin , is but to make the difficulty greater ; ( how she was free that was not conceived as Christ , by the Holy Ghost ? ) or to run it I know not how far . It were more plausible to say , that she was perfectly sanctified by the Holy Ghost before Christ's Conception ; and therefore could convey no guilt to him : but what proof this would have , let them tell that know . 12. After these reasons , the judicious Author concluds thus ; [ These things I thought good briefly to dispute , following the authority of most grave Divines , ( who have disallowed this imputation either tacitly by their silence , as Calvin . Instit . Tilen . Thes . &c. or else openly , and in express words , as Pet. Martyr in Rom. 5. Chamier Panstrat . ) First , that we may not take that for God's word which is not his word . 2. That we ascribe not that to God which becometh him not . And that we may free the Christian Religion from such unnecessary difficulties . And lastly , that we may the stronglier prove original sin as it is described , Art 10. and 11. of the confession of our Churches . ] Answ . 1. We stick not on mens names ; though we have more Divines against you . 2. Whether it be God's word , let our foregoing proof manifest . 3. Which if we have proved , then should not humane reason say , it becomes him not : especially when the same reason confesseth the like to become all Princes and Common-wealths . 4. I think I have done more to free the Christian Religion from difficulties , by asserting such an imputation of all Parents sins , as aforesaid , than you have done by denying all . 5. And I think that we may far more rationally maintain original corruption , and the justness of punishment for original sin , if we maintain the said guilt , than if we deny it , as you do . So much to this excellent Writer . Having answered their Objections , let me add this in the conclusion . Arg. If we cannot be guilty of inherent original sin , without the derived guilt of Adam's actual sin ; then we do derive a guilt of Adam's actual sin . But the Antecedent is true : therefore so is the Consequent . That we are guilty of inherent original sin , is by them confessed . But this cannot be without a cause , or foundation . And the foundation or cause must be ours , or else the guilt cannot be ours . Now this foundation is either meerly the inherent pravity it self , or somewhat Antecedent . Not meerly the inherent pravity it self : For , 1. It would prove against no Law : for no Law forbad us to be born as we 〈◊〉 Laws are not made to prohibit that which 〈◊〉 not , to be what it cannot choose but be . The Law against Adultery prohibiteth the Parents to commit it , but not the child●●● be born in it . There might 〈…〉 be a Law to prohibit a child in the womb to come forth , as to prohibit the ●eed to become a man , and such a man. Laws 〈◊〉 made to the intelligent 〈…〉 . Yet I deny not , but original 〈…〉 is contrary to the Law of God 〈…〉 : but that is only consequentially , 〈…〉 which it could not be , if we had not the guilt of the voluntary act , which is primarily against the Law. 2. The esse of our inherent 〈◊〉 on p●●●●ations , is in order of nature before the 〈◊〉 or culpability . But we could not have had so much as the esse without an antecedent guilt . Which I prove thus : Either the being of our original dispositions is only a sin , or also a punishment . If it be only a sin , without any antecedent sin or guilt of ours , then either God or Man is the Author of it . Not God ; for he is not the author of sin : and if he were , it would excuse of the guilt If man , either our selves , or our Parents . Not our selves ; for we made not our selves . If our Parents ; then either their acts are imputable to us , or else that would make it never the more ours . So that our corruption would be miserie , at non peccatum ; no more sin than the venom of a toad is sin . But it 's certain that the very being of our natural qualities and privations , is a punishment . For God would not inflict so great an evil on us as that is , which shall subject us to eternal death , for nothing . And this is commonly confessed . Well then , the esse corruptionis is in order before the culpability of it . That esse is truly poena , a punishment ; though not as caused by God , ( for God causeth it not , ) yet as permitted by God , and as the consequent of his just desertion . And omnis poena est peccati poena : punishment is essentially related to a fault deserving it . This fault was meerly our Parents , or by participation and derivation ours . If meerly theirs , then our corruption is meerly their punishment . For God will not punish one for anothers fault , when there is no ground of imputation of it to themselves . But it 's certainly our punishment ; or else it could not make us inherently sinful , and so damnable therefore as the penalty is ours , some antecedent fault must be ours : which can be nothing but a derived guilt of Parents sins . Chamiers Reasons also I shall briefly dissolve ; I mean those passages against Salmeron and Pigbius , Paustrat . Vol. 3. l. 1. c. 7 , 8. in which his strength lieth . C. 8. sect . 9. Dico nullum peccatum unum numero posse esse commune omnibus hominibus , — Actiones sunt suppositorum , — Itaque nego peccatum illud Adami esse peccatum originale . Resp . 1. In the instant of committing it we were not persons distinct from Adam , and so had not a distinct sin ; but we were seminally in him , having our essence after from his essence : and so far as we were in him , we were guilty of that act in him . And when we become persons from him , we becom guilty persons of that act : that is , not reputed to have done it as distinct persons , but justly reputed odious and punishable , as being then seminally in him , and as having our essence from him ; and therefore such as his essence was , as to the guilt : so that now we have numerically as many original sins as we are . persons , that is , individual guilty natures and persons , from that one sin , ( besides qualitative pravity . ) The same he hath oft , sect . 11 , 12 , &c. Sect. 17. He saith , Resp . Constitui nos peccatores formaliter vel causaliter — And he saith that formally it is that which in nobis ipsis inest tanquam qualitas peccatrix , — ut albus paries per albedinem , — But by Adam's act only causaliter . Answ . 1. Why is causaliter distinguished from formaliter ? as if forma non esset causa . 2. If by causaliter he mean efficienter only , he should tell us what sort of efficient it is . 3. If there be such a thing as actual sin , how doth that act make us sinners ? Is it formaliter ? Then we are sinners but in the instant of act : for our own acts are presently gone , and nothing , as well as Adam's . If it be causaliter , then Adam's act is confessed to make us sinners , as our own acts do when they are past . 4. The plain truth is , ( whether learned Chamier saw it or not ) both acts and habits make us sinners in the same kind of cause , ( and so may Adam's , ) viz. as the fundamentum relationis ; and the reatus culpae is that relation , or the formalis ratio peccati , ( though the reatus poenae be but a consequent . ) And therefore Pet. Martyr on Rom. 5. doth ill to deny that reatus is sin it self , ( cont . Pighium . ) Now men call the fundamentum relationis in these morals , by the name both of causa meritoria efficiens , & materialis . Meritorious acts or qualities are called causa efficiens quoad ipsam relationem inde resultantem : & causa materialis constitutiva , as the whole essence of sin is made up of them , ( as meritorious matter , ) and of the relation together . If we will be Logical , we must be accurate , or we cheat men by words . Reader , in conclusion , lament with me the common partiality of the best Disputers . How little did this opinion dishonour great Chamier , Pet. Martyr , &c. And why ? Because it was against Pighius and Salmeron that they wrote it : opposition to whom I think verily drew them also to it . But when Placaeus said the like , or less , with what a heap of authority doth Rivet ( well ) overwhelm him ? For then it was not the Papists that were concerned in the dispute . I shall next speak to those objections which are made only against the participation of guilt of the sins of neerer Parents , by those that confess our guilt of Adam's sin . Supposing that of Ezek. 18. and consequently , Deut. 24. 16. answered before . And they are these following : Obj. 1. If we are thus guilty of our neerest Parents sins , then have we two sorts of original sin : when as we have hitherto acknowledged but one . Answ . It is but one subjective in each person , and but one terminative ; that is , it is but one and the same punishment that one and the same person is obliged to : but it is manifold fundamentaliter , as arising from the desert of many sins . But , 2. if you take the word [ Original , ] not as signifying all that adhereth to us ab origine , but as signifying only that sin which was the original or first in-let of all our misery ; then as there can be but one first , so is there but one original sin , even Adam's . 3. As our natures are further polluted by some neerer Parents sin , so may they be further guilty by them . I think I proved before , that the children of some ungodly Parents have an additional pravity in their natures , at least as to the inclination to she creature the terminus ad quem of their apostacy , more than the generality of mankind have as meerly from Adam's first sin . Obj. 2. If we are guilty of the sins of our neerer Parents , then this Generation should be many hundred fold more guilty than the first was ; and so the last man or age should be the most sinful . Answ . So they are fundamentaliter , but not terminative : They have forfeited but the same felicity which one sin may forfeit ; for there is no more to lose : But it is on a manifold desert or ground that they have forfeited that one felicity : and so incurred that one penalty . 2. But this I say but on supposition that the Parents are none of them pardoned . For if the Parents be pardoned themselves , it is the judgment of very learned and judicious Divines , that by the same Covenant all their infants are pardoned with them , as soon as they have their being : And also that pardoned Parents cannot convey that guilt to their children which they have not on themselves . And consequently , that by the remedy , an interruption is made in the process of guilt . 3. But then it is still confessed , that the reatus simplex , as some call it , that is , the meer natural merit antecedent to the persons obligation ( which some call reatus redundens in personam ) is not taken off by pardon from the Parent , and therefore not from posterity . But a great difficulty here ariseth in the way : How then can the guilt of Adam's sin be conveyed to any of us , seeing it was pardoned to Noah , from whom all the World proceedeth ; and how could Noah convey the guilt which he had not ? Answ . This objection was before answered in part . Remember still that the meer merit of punishment , simply considered , is not taken away by pardon : nor the meer reatus facti vel culpe . It remaineth true to all eternity , that such a man did commit such a sin , and that that sin deserved death : ( but not that he is obliged to death for it . ) Remember also that this is communicated to posterity with their nature : And that it is a voluntary act of God that remitteth the deserved punishment , and pardoneth the sin ; and therefore it can extend no further than he please . As also that this meer merit doth produce a proper guilt on every soul that hath it , which makes it capable of pardon ; though to infants that are pardoned , the guilt and the pardon are in the same moment of time , yet in order of nature the guilt goes first . These things premised , I further answer , that there are two opinions of Divines about pardon of infants . Some think-that only the elect are pardoned ; and some ( as Davenant , Ward , Amyraldus , &c. ) think that all the infants of Believers ( or that are baptized rightly ) are pardoned . According to the principles of the former it must be said , that when God pardoned Noah ( or any godly Parent ) and his elect seed , that pardon remaineth firm for ever : but a pardon it is to the seed as well as to the Parent , and therefore supposeth guilt , which is by a necessary resultancy from the natural desert , till Grace destroy it . But as for that seed ( as Cham. e. g. ) which was not elect , God pardoned Noah's original sin but limitedly , intending that it should not extend to the non-elect seed , but that they should have a guilt on their souls from that natural merit , as if God had never pardoned the progenitors . For the desert and imputability adhereth to nature , but the remission will go no further than free Grace extendeth it . According to the principles of the later it must be said , that God pardoned to Noah ( and every godly Parent ) the sin of Adam , and all other , and to his infants while infants ; but with this limitation , that if they themselves at years of discretion believed not , they should not continue pardoned , but perish , either by the return of the sin before so pardoned , as some think ; or only for the super-added sin , as others think . In a word , every Parent begetteth a Son of Adam , and of himself a sinner , and thereby begets a nature that hath in it self compared with God's Law , the fundamentum reatus , and this he doth never the less for being pardoned himself . Unless his posterity be pardoned with himself , they will remain guilty : for the relaxation of the commination being but to his own person , makes only a change on himself . The disease is natural , and the cure is accidental ; and therefore though he be cured , yet will he convey the disease to posterity . To explain this by the like . Suppose that by a standing Law of the Land , all the posterity of any Traytor are to be disinherited , dishonoured and banished . It pleaseth the Soveraign not to destroy this Law , but to dispense with it as he shall see special reasons . Whereupon he pardoneth some one of a traytorous line , with this limitation ; either that this pardon shall be but to his own person only , or at most but to his seed ( immediate ) till they forfeit the benefit by ungrateful rejection . In this case , all his posterity would be nevertheless born guilty of the foresaid punishment : only that guilt would be taken off according to the terms in the Law , and no further . For the Law is still in force , and universal ; and the children are naturally the posterity of a Traytor , ( whether in one degree or many ; ) and the pardon is but a singular and supra-legal act , and limited as is expressed ; and is purposed for the removal of a guilt from the particular persons , and not for the preventing it in any one of them ; or if the pardon be universal-conditional , all is one . What I have said about Adam's sin , will ( more easily ) answer the like objection , as to neerer Parents sins . Obj. 3. If we are so guilty of our Parents sins , then Christ's satisfaction , and God's pardon of sin is imperfect : for he pardoneth them upon Christ's satisfaction to every believing Parent : and if after this they must be punished again on their posterity , then were they not perfectly pardoned at the first . Answ . The perfection of pardon , and Christ's satisfaction , must be discerned by considering them in their own kind , and in their perfect sufficiency to those ends whereto God intendeth them , and not according to mistaking conceits of men . Pardon is not simply and absolutely perfect in this life : Manosseh's sins must be punished when he is dead , on his posterity . But it hath no Imimperfection dishonourable to God , or to Christ's satisfaction . 2. It is not the same numerical guilt that is pardoned to the Father , and not pardoned to the Son , or remaineth on him . From one sin there ariseth one single guilt to the first sinner , and that multiplyeth upon the multiplication of persons from his loins : and every person hath a several guilt , though from the same root . 3. Note also that this objection makes as much against our guilt of Adam's sin , as of our neerer Parents , and more : for they may say , that sin hath been pardoned to many of our progenitors , between Adam and us . But it holds not against either . Obj. 4. God would not drown Noah with the World ; nor destroy Lot with Sodom : and Abraham saith , Let it be far from the Judge of all the earth to destroy the righteous with the wicked . Answ . 1. God was not then dealing with the World , or with Sodom , for such sins as Noah or Lot were guilty of . So that , though he might have found sin in them deserving his wrath , yet when he comes to execute an extraordinary judgment for an extraordinary sin , he will not deal with those , as with such extraordinary , or great , or impenitent sinners , who were not such . 2. It is justice Evangelical therefore , or on terms of Grace , and not pure legal Justice , which Abraham appeals to for the rescue of Lot. It 's true , it is a personal righteousness of Lot , which he pleadeth with God for his deliverance from judgment , even with the Judge of all the earth ; as a necessary work of his justice : ( which those may note that will have no righteousness inherent in our selves pleaded with God , much less with Justice , for freedom from his wrath : ) But it is but a righteousness consisting in a freedom from that impenitency and wickedness which God came to revenge ; and not in perfect obedience . This therefore shews not ▪ what God might do in strict justice ; but what he will do in that justice which is tempered with ( and prevailed over as it were ) by mercy . 3. The infants of the old World and Sodom perish'd with them . Obj. 5. Parents sins are not voluntary as to us : go . not ours . Answ . This is answered before . They are the sin of our wills , and so voluntary : and we come out of them that voluntarily committed them . We must not look on Parents and children as on two distinct persons that have no derivation from , or dependance on each other : but consider that our very being is from them . And that God doth actually punish and destroy children for their Parents sins , is proved already by a multitude of Texts . And who dare say that he doth it unjustly , because we are not consenters ? To prove that God doth it , is enough to prove it just , because he can do nothing unjustly . As for the great question , whether any be damned for Original , or Parents sin , I answer ; Whatever the degree of penalty is , none can be freed from it but by pardoning Grace through Christ : and therefore none but those that are the children of the pardoning promise . I shall conclude all with these following Corollaries , containing some Use of what hath been said and proved by us in this dispute . Cor. 1. This Doctrine of our liableness to punishment for our neerer Parents sins , doth much clear up the reason of our original sin , ( as from Adam , ) and consequently much confirm us in the belief of it , and enable us to answer most of the cavils against it . And I must confess for my part , that I am not able to maintain our guilt of Adam's sin , without this . Cor. 2. It hence appeareth that it is a duty of all Christians to bewail , and beg pardon of their Parents and Ancestors sins , as to the punishment which themselves are liable to for them . They are not only to confess that they are the children of Adam , but also the seed of Idolaters , superstitious , ignorant , prophant , unbelieving Ancestors ; that their Father was an Amorite , and their Mother an Hittite , Ezek. 16. 3 , 4. and that he whose eyes are on all the sons of men , to give every one according to his waies and doings , doth recompence the iniquity of the Fathers into the bosome of their children after them . Jer. 32. 18 , 19. 2 Kin. 22. 13. Great is the wrath of the Lord which is kind●●d against us , because our Fathers have not hearkned to the words of this Book , to do according to all that is written . So. 2 Chron. 29. 6. 9. 2 Chron. 34. 21. See a full example , Nehem. 9. from 16 to the end : especially ver . 32 , 33 , 34 , 35 , 36 , 37. Psal . 106. 6 , 7. We have sinned with our Fathers : our Fathers understood not thy wonders in Egypt ; they remembred not the multitude of thy mercies , but provoked , &c. see to the end . Jer. 14. 20 , 21. We acknowledge , O Lord , our wickednest , and the iniquity of our Fathers ; for we have sinned against thee ▪ Do not abhor us for thy name sake , &c. Jer. 3. 25. We lie down in our shame , and our confusion covereth us : for we have sinned against the Lord our God , we and our Father , from our youth even to this day . Lament . 5. 7. Our Fathers have sinned , and are not ; and we have born their iniquities . Dan. 9. 16. I beseech thee let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy City Jerusalem , thy holy Mountain ; because for our sins , and for the iniquities of our Fathers , Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us . See the whole prayer . Nehem. 9. 2. They stood and confessed their sins , and the iniquities of their Fathers . Isa . 14. 20 , 21. The seed of evil doers shall never be renowned : Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their Fathers . Isa . 65. 6 , 7. Behold it is written before me , I will not keep silence , but will recompence , even recompence into their bosoms ; your iniquities , and the iniquities of your Fathers together , ( saith the Lord , ) &c. Jer. 16. 10 , 11. They shall say to thee , Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us ? or what is our iniquity ? or what is our sin ? Then shalt thou say unto them , Because your Fathers have forsaken me , saith the Lord , and have walked after other Gods , and have served them , and have worshipped them , &c. So , Jer. 44. 10 , 11 , 21 , 22. The Lord could no longer bear , but the Land was made a curse , because he remembred the sins of their Fathers . I fear lest many of us , yea most , have been guilty of not bewailing and praying for the pardon of our forefathers sins , and desire godly men to consider more of it for the time to come . Cor. 3. From hence it appears , that it is a sad thing to be born of evil Parents ; and a blessing to be born of those that fear God : and accordingly to be acknowledged . Cor. 4. Also it follows , that if God shew mercy to the children of wicked Parents , it is a double blessing , and the freeness of such Grace is accordingly to be magnified . Cor. 5. Though blessings be not merited , as curses be , yet seeing the natural interest of children in their Parents , and Parents in children is so great , you may hence discern , that even to reason it is very probable that God should deal better with the children of true Believers than with others : and that they should have special benefit by their Parents Faith considering that God is as prone to mercy as to severity . Cor. 6. May we not hence see some ground to justify God's severity against those infidel parts of the World , whose Ancestors have refused the Gospel , and the Lord Jesus ? And are not those infidels guilty of their fore-fathers sin , in the sense before-mentioned ? If Christ died for them , and offered them himself , his grace and benefits , and they reject him , it is a just punishment to posterity , if for this sin of thier Fathers , he leave their Country in darkness , and seek out a people that shall give him better welcome . And if he do not so by us , who have so abused him , it is not because in justness be may not , but because in mercy he will not : and the greater and freer is that mercy . If he promulgate his Laws to the Fathers , and they reject them , he may take that as a sufficient promulgation for the obligation of posterity , and may judge them for rejecting that Law or Gospel : and if they say We never heard it ; it sufficeth to tell them , It was sent among you ; and your Fathers would have none of it , but expelled it out of their Countrey ; and refused to have him that redeemed them reign over them . Aquinas handling this Question , 1. 2. Q. 81. art . 2. Vtrum etiam alis pecata primi parentis , vel proximorum parentum traducantur in posteros ? denieth it ; but then he seems not to speak at all of the matter of meer guilt or imputation , but only of the traduction of inherent pravity : And therefore it is nothing to the matter that we have specially here to deal with ; and , 2. even in that his reasons seem not of weight . The summ is , that only Adam's first sin did corrupt nature in specie , and others are but personal : The ground of this his assertion is that opinion wherein the Papists differ from our Divines ; viz. that Grace was supernatural to Adam ; and original sin being nothing but the privation of that Grace or Rectitude , and the first sin making a total privation of that to humane nature , there is nothing left for after sins to do of that kind : This seems his full sense , though he speak it not out in so many words . But to this I say , 1. This ( as is said ) doth not at all deny that we deserve punishment for our Fathers sins , but only that we are not capable of this punishment in specie : and so the main thing is granted which we seek . 2. His sentence about the supernaturality of Grace to Adam ( which yet he affirmeth to be concreated with him ) is not proved ▪ The Scotists do resist him in it , as well as the Protestants . Read an excellent Dispute of it in Rada's first Controversy , shewing how far it is or is not supernatural . 3. His ground , viz. that [ naturals could not be lost ] is unproved : There be certain natural perfections of the mind which are so far under the power of exercised reason and free-will , that they may be depraved or much destroyed by the abuse of these . 4. The word of God , and the experience of the World doth fully prove that wicked men grow worse and worse , and are prone to apostatize and depart yet further from God ; and that the very light of nature may be extinguished in part , and some men by custome in sinning make themselves much worse than they were by nature : go . it is certain that men are not so bad by Adam's first sin , but their nature is capable of being made worse : And they are not at the very worst till they come to Hell : And in this life we see great variety in degrees of wickedness among wicked men . Particularly as to his answers to the three Arguments . To the first , ( drawn from Scripture examples of punishing children for the Fathers sin ) he saith it is only corporally , because the child is as it were a part of the Father quoad corpus . Answ . 1. Corporal punishment proves that we deserve punishment , else God would not inflict it : for he will be no more unjust in the lesser than in the greater . 2. He that deserves corporal punishment for sin , deserves more . 3. The whole man , soul and body is as much from our neerer Parents as from Adam . To the second reason , ( which is drawn from Parents traducing Adam's sin to us , and therefore much more their own , ) he confesseth it would hold were their own sin traducible , which he saith , it is not ; but the reason is before disproved . The third reason is , that if we therefore contract sin from Adam because we were in him , then may we do it from our other Parents because we are in them , seeing the Scripture shews we are capable of growing worse . To this he only saith , that the first sin corrupteth nature , the second only the person . But this is a bare denial , and no answer to the force of the reason . And unless he distinguish of common nature , and the persons nature , what sense hath it ? For to corrupt the person qualitatively , is so to corrupt his nature . What Bellarmine saith , Lib. 4. Cap. 18. de Amiss . Grat. & statu pecc . being of less weight than this of Aquinas , needeth no other reply . That we should have been corrupted by Original sin , if Cain and Seth had sinned , and not Adam , see Aquin. de Malo q. 5. a. 4. ad ult . ( of which saith Bellarmine groundlesly , fortasse locus corrumpitur . ) FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A27059-e190 * Original sin is their own . * Disputat . of Right to Sacram .