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             Two conferences between some of those that are called Separatists & Independents, concerning their different tenents one whereof, was appointed with Mr. Burton and a number of his church, and the other with Mr. John Goodwin and some of his church ... / now published by D.B. ...
             Brown, David, fl. 1650-1652.
             Chidley, Samuel.
             Burton, Mr.
             Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.
          
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             1650.
          
           
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             "Mr. Chidley's letter to Mr. Goodwin": p. 9.
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             TWO
          
           CONFERENCES
           BETWEEN
           
             Some
             of
             those
             that
             are
             called
          
           Separatists
           &
           Independents
           ,
           Concerning
           their
           different
           TENENTS
           :
           ONE
           Whereof
           ,
           was
           appointed
           with
           Mr.
           
           
           
           BURTON
           ,
           and
           a
           number
           of
           his
           Church
           ,
           and
           the
           other
           ,
           with
           Mr.
           
             John
             Goodwin
             ,
          
           and
           some
           of
           his
           Church
           ;
           which
           was
           occasioned
           by
           a
           Gentlewoman
           being
           a
           Member
           thereof
           ,
           whose
           Husband
           is
           one
           of
           the
           
             Separation
             :
          
           with
           a
           Letter
           written
           to
           that
           purpose
           .
        
         
           NOW
           Published
           by
           D.
           B.
           for
           resolution
           of
           those
           who
           are
           doubtfull
           ,
           in
           all
           or
           any
           of
           the
           matters
           here
           controverted
           ;
           chiefly
           concerning
           the
           
             High
             places
             ,
          
           which
           are
           usually
           called
           
             Churches
             ,
          
           and
           now
           of
           late
           by
           the
           Souldiers
           ,
           
             Steeple-houses
             .
          
        
         
           LONDON
           ,
           
             Printed
             by
          
           John
           Clowes
           ,
           
             and
             are
             to
             be
             sold
             at
             the
          
           Blew-Anchor
           
             in
          
           Cornehill
           ,
           1650.
           
        
      
       
       
       
         
           To
           the
           impartial
           Reader
           .
        
         
           THere
           being
           a
           meeting
           appointed
           between
           Mr.
           
             Burton
             ,
          
           with
           some
           of
           his
           Congregation
           ,
           and
           some
           of
           my
           judgement
           in
           matters
           of
           Religion
           ,
           that
           both
           they
           and
           we
           might
           conferre
           together
           ,
           and
           the
           better
           know
           the
           difference
           of
           our
           professions
           and
           practises
           ,
           and
           so
           indeavour
           (
           if
           possible
           )
           to
           be
           of
           our
           mind
           ,
           concerning
           the
           truth
           ;
           at
           which
           meeting
           ,
           we
           expected
           accordingly
           to
           have
           had
           all
           matters
           in
           controversie
           between
           us
           ,
           fully
           and
           lovingly
           ,
           debated
           ;
           but
           the
           issue
           did
           not
           prove
           ,
           as
           we
           could
           have
           wished
           .
        
         
           Again
           ,
           upon
           an
           other
           occasion
           of
           some
           difference
           also
           ,
           in
           certain
           points
           of
           Religion
           ,
           between
           a
           Sea
           Captain
           and
           his
           wife
           ,
           he
           being
           one
           of
           our
           Members
           ,
           and
           she
           of
           Mr.
           
             John
             Goodwins
             :
          
           a
           meeting
           likewise
           was
           appointed
           between
           him
           ,
           with
           some
           of
           his
           Church
           ,
           and
           some
           of
           ours
           ,
           at
           which
           meeting
           those
           matters
           were
           discussed
           at
           large
           ,
           though
           many
           lets
           (
           as
           in
           the
           former
           )
           were
           cast
           in
           the
           way
           ,
           to
           hinder
           both
           the
           progress
           and
           conclusion
           thereof
           .
        
         
           Now
           ,
           seeing
           the
           first
           of
           these
           conferences
           was
           above
           six
           yeares
           agoe
           ,
           and
           the
           last
           about
           one
           year
           agoe
           ,
           and
           both
           of
           them
           written
           when
           they
           were
           recent
           in
           the
           memory
           ,
           it
           may
           thereby
           appear
           ,
           how
           unwilling
           all
           or
           any
           of
           us
           (
           though
           having
           the
           better
           part
           ,
           as
           we
           hope
           )
           have
           been
           ,
           to
           divulge
           them
           or
           any
           of
           them
           to
           publick
           view
           .
        
         
           But
           now
           upon
           further
           consideration
           ,
           and
           weighing
           the
           matter
           more
           seriously
           ,
           (
           as
           in
           aballance
           )
           I
           find
           that
           in
           the
           one
           scale
           ,
           all
           the
           prejudice
           and
           discontent
           ,
           which
           the
           other
           party
           may
           possibly
           take
           without
           any
           just
           cause
           ,
           in
           that
           we
           thus
           shew
           here
           to
           the
           world
           ,
           both
           their
           parts
           and
           ours
           ,
           to
           be
           all
           very
           light
           ;
           in
           comparison
           of
           the
           generality
           of
           the
           peoples
           great
           ignorance
           ,
           and
           manifold
           doubts
           in
           the
           other
           scale
           ;
           who
           are
           still
           captivated
           in
           
             Babel
             ,
          
           and
           both
           misled
           and
           blindfolded
           ,
           not
           onely
           by
           the
           Clergy
           in
           general
           ,
           who
           succeed
           their
           Lords
           and
           Masters
           ,
           the
           
             Bishops
             ,
          
           (
           howbeit
           the
           Servant
           be
           not
           a-above
           his
           Lord
           )
           but
           even
           still
           for
           sinister
           ends
           ,
           by
           the
           most
           smooth
           and
           subtle
           sort
           of
           them
           ,
           who
           make
           a
           greater
           shew
           of
           godliness
           ,
           and
           reformation
           then
           the
           rest
           ,
           such
           us
           this
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
          
           is
           ,
           and
           Mr.
           
             Burton
          
           was
           .
        
         
         
           This
           ignorance
           and
           doubting
           doth
           consist
           in
           divers
           particulars
           concerning
           the
           sacred
           worship
           of
           God
           ,
           chiefly
           the
           
             high
             places
             ,
          
           otherwise
           called
           Churches
           and
           Steeple-houses
           ,
           here
           in
           both
           conferences
           controverted
           :
           although
           their
           
             national
             Church-worship
             ,
             worshippers
             ,
             Ministry
             ,
             Government
             ,
             and
             maintenance
             ,
          
           are
           there
           by
           the
           scope
           of
           all
           to
           be
           observed
           :
           in
           which
           and
           many
           other
           ,
           most
           of
           the
           people
           are
           also
           very
           ignorant
           and
           doubtful
           .
        
         
           And
           considering
           ,
           as
           on
           the
           one
           side
           ,
           that
           no
           man
           ought
           to
           hide
           his
           Talent
           ,
           nor
           be
           a
           self-lover
           ;
           but
           every
           Christian
           especially
           ,
           is
           to
           dispense
           whatsoever
           measure
           of
           gift
           he
           hath
           received
           ,
           to
           the
           good
           of
           others
           ;
           so
           on
           the
           other
           side
           ,
           what
           great
           need
           there
           is
           still
           (
           as
           was
           said
           )
           both
           of
           information
           and
           resolution
           in
           the
           aforesaid
           matters
           ,
           (
           notwithstanding
           all
           the
           floods
           of
           books
           now
           a
           dayes
           ,
           concerning
           other
           subjects
           .
        
         
           And
           although
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           (
           my
           yoak-fellow
           in
           the
           first
           ,
           and
           both
           for
           himself
           and
           me
           in
           the
           last
           ,
           )
           was
           somewhat
           averse
           to
           the
           publishing
           of
           the
           business
           ,
           yet
           since
           we
           are
           of
           one
           mind
           in
           the
           particulars
           thereof
           ,
           the
           rest
           of
           us
           have
           thus
           brought
           both
           Conferences
           to
           publick
           observation
           ,
           chiefly
           concerning
           the
           
             high-places
             ,
          
           for
           though
           we
           have
           often
           heard
           ,
           that
           howbeit
           
             Rome
             was
             not
             built
             in
             one
             day
             ,
             (
             as
             the
             proverb
             is
             )
          
           yet
           a
           greater
           number
           of
           
             Romish
          
           houses
           ,
           such
           as
           the
           Monasteries
           ,
           Abbies
           and
           Nunries
           both
           in
           
             Scotland
          
           and
           
             England
             ,
          
           were
           demolished
           in
           one
           day
           formerly
           ,
           then
           there
           have
           been
           Crosses
           pulled
           down
           ,
           either
           on
           Steeples
           or
           Streetes
           ,
           in
           a
           hundred
           of
           these
           dayes
           ,
           now
           wherein
           we
           live
           ,
           notwithstanding
           there
           were
           both
           far
           more
           letts
           ,
           and
           fewer
           pretences
           of
           reformation
           ,
           in
           those
           dayes
           then
           in
           these
           .
        
         
           Thus
           ,
           having
           no
           further
           occasion
           here
           ,
           to
           hinder
           thee
           from
           this
           good
           occasion
           it self
           ,
           I
           refer
           thee
           to
           take
           hold
           thereof
           ,
           and
           of
           all
           things
           else
           ,
           which
           may
           adde
           to
           thy
           knowledge
           and
           sanctification
           ,
           as
           I
           wish
           to
           do
           my-self
           ,
           whiles
           there
           is
           any
           time
           or
           opportunity
           yet
           remaining
           :
           onely
           at
           present
           ,
           I
           intreat
           thee
           ,
           that
           what
           degree
           of
           profit
           soever
           thou
           reapest
           hereby
           ,
           thou
           wilt
           give
           unto
           God
           (
           as
           the
           onely
           true
           owner
           )
           the
           whole
           praise
           :
           and
           as
           for
           me
           his
           weak
           instrument
           in
           this
           behalf
           ,
           if
           I
           incur
           no
           just
           dispraise
           ,
           I
           shall
           rest
           fully
           and
           gladly
           contented
           ,
        
         
           
             Thine
             ,
             as
             thou
             both
             desirest
             and
             endeavourest
             ,
             not
             to
             follow
             any
             man
             whosoever
             ,
             further
             then
             that
             Man
             followeth
             
               Christ
               .
            
             DAVID
             BROWN
             .
          
        
      
    
     
       
       
         
           Two
           Conferences
           ,
           between
           some
           of
           those
           that
           are
           called
           Separatists
           and
           Independents
           ,
           concerning
           their
           different
           Tenents
           .
        
         
           THere
           being
           a
           
             Conference
          
           in
           
             London
             ,
          
           appointed
           between
           some
           of
           those
           Christians
           ,
           usually
           called
           the
           
             Separation
             ,
          
           and
           Mr.
           
             Burton
             ,
          
           a
           Pastor
           of
           an
           
             Independant
          
           Church
           ,
           concerning
           some
           differences
           between
           them
           ,
           and
           divers
           
             Separatists
          
           coming
           to
           his
           house
           in
           
             Fryday-street
             ,
          
           for
           that
           purpose
           ,
           upon
           the
           17.
           day
           of
           the
           4.
           moneth
           ,
           1645.
           being
           the
           5.
           day
           of
           the
           week
           ,
           after
           Church-exercise
           ,
           and
           onely
           three
           of
           them
           having
           occasion
           to
           speak
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           Mr.
           
             Brown
             ,
          
           Mr.
           
             Duppa
             ,
          
           and
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
             ;
          
           and
           the
           said
           Mr.
           
             Brown
             ,
          
           immediatly
           after
           the
           
             Conference
             ,
          
           writing
           the
           sum
           of
           what
           he
           and
           the
           said
           Mr.
           
             Burton
          
           spake
           ,
           which
           to
           this
           time
           he
           hath
           kept
           secret
           ,
           and
           it
           might
           be
           he
           would
           have
           done
           still
           ,
           were
           it
           not
           that
           by
           the
           intreaty
           of
           certain
           friends
           ,
           and
           to
           give
           them
           and
           others
           some
           satisfaction
           ,
           concerning
           the
           high
           places
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           lately
           debated
           again
           between
           the
           said
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           and
           Mr.
           
             John
             Goodwin
             ,
          
           he
           hath
           now
           divulged
           the
           same
           to
           publick
           view
           :
           together
           with
           that
           other
           
             Conference
          
           of
           late
           ,
           which
           was
           occasioned
           by
           a
           Member
           of
           our
           
             Congregation
             ,
          
           whose
           wife
           was
           a
           Member
           of
           Mr.
           
           
             Goodwins
          
           Church
           ,
           and
           desired
           to
           be
           satisfyed
           ,
           whether
           her
           Husband
           or
           she
           was
           in
           the
           truest
           Church-state
           .
        
         
           The
           first
           Question
           was
           ,
           whether
           Mr.
           
             Burton
          
           and
           his
           Church
           were
           in
           the
           order
           of
           the
           Gospel
           ,
           that
           the
           
             Separation
          
           might
           
           know
           certainly
           how
           to
           esteem
           them
           ,
           intitle
           them
           ,
           and
           have
           fellowship
           with
           them
           ;
           and
           whether
           they
           were
           so
           indeed
           ,
           as
           they
           professed
           to
           be
           in
           word
           ,
           and
           Mr.
           
             Burton
          
           answering
           affirmatively
           :
           it
           was
           in
           the
           next
           place
           demanded
           ,
           how
           then
           did
           his
           practise
           and
           theirs
           so
           much
           differ
           ,
           both
           their
           professions
           and
           Covenants
           seeming
           to
           be
           alike
           ,
           and
           therefore
           desiring
           to
           have
           his
           practice
           compared
           with
           his
           Covenant
           or
           profession
           ,
           or
           any
           of
           them
           ,
           with
           theirs
           of
           the
           
             Separation
             ,
          
           which
           he
           absolutely
           refused
           ,
           saying
           ,
           he
           and
           his
           Church
           were
           a
           free
           and
           
             Independant
          
           body
           or
           Corporation
           ,
           and
           therefore
           not
           bound
           to
           make
           account
           to
           any
           other
           Church
           or
           people
           in
           the
           world
           ,
           although
           never
           so
           famous
           ,
           and
           one
           of
           his
           elders
           added
           ,
           that
           the
           very
           (
           avaliers
           or
           Malignants
           themselves
           ,
           gave
           them
           the
           Title
           of
           
             Separatists
             .
          
        
         
           But
           it
           being
           objected
           to
           Mr.
           
             Burton
             ,
          
           that
           he
           was
           bound
           both
           by
           precept
           and
           example
           of
           the
           immediat
           Apostles
           ,
           to
           give
           a
           reason
           of
           his
           faith
           ,
           stop
           the
           mouthes
           of
           gain-sayers
           ,
           yea
           and
           approve
           himself
           to
           those
           that
           are
           without
           ,
           far
           more
           to
           those
           that
           are
           within
           ,
           even
           to
           be
           indeed
           as
           he
           professeth
           himself
           and
           the
           rather
           ,
           in
           that
           he
           is
           a
           teacher
           and
           guide
           to
           others
           ;
           as
           the
           first
           Church
           of
           the
           Gentiles
           at
           
             Antiochia
             ,
          
           thought
           it
           rather
           an
           honour
           then
           any
           disparagement
           ,
           to
           aske
           resolution
           of
           some
           doubts
           at
           the
           Church
           of
           the
           
             Jewes
             ,
          
           who
           were
           before
           them
           in
           the
           faith
           and
           order
           of
           the
           Gospel
           at
           
             Jerusalem
             ,
          
           though
           some
           of
           the
           Apostles
           were
           present
           at
           both
           ;
           and
           the
           rather
           ,
           we
           hope
           you
           wil
           do
           ,
           said
           Mr.
           
             Brown
             ,
          
           because
           we
           come
           to
           you
           in
           love
           ,
           esteeming
           more
           of
           you
           then
           hundreds
           of
           your
           breeding
           ,
           (
           I
           mean
           at
           the
           Universities
           )
           in
           regard
           both
           of
           your
           sufferings
           and
           writings
           ,
           far
           beyond
           what
           they
           have
           either
           acted
           or
           suffered
           ,
           especially
           for
           that
           publick
           Sermon
           ,
           you
           made
           in
           the
           Pillary-Pulpit
           at
           
             Westminster
             ,
          
           three
           houres
           long
           ,
           even
           resisting
           unto
           blood
           against
           the
           evill
           of
           the
           times
           ,
           unto
           which
           I
           was
           a
           witnesse
           ,
           and
           is
           a
           motive
           of
           my
           coming
           to
           you
           at
           this
           time
           .
           He
           answered
           that
           his
           profession
           and
           practise
           were
           agreeable
           ,
           and
           that
           he
           and
           his
           people
           entered
           ,
           according
           to
           the
           rules
           prescribed
           in
           the
           Gospel
           ,
           and
           so
           walked
           for
           ought
           he
           knew
           ,
           as
           many
           can
           bear
           witness
           ,
           and
           we
           also
           may
           ,
           if
           we
           wil
           come
           and
           hear
           him
           .
        
         
         
           To
           the
           which
           or
           the
           like
           words
           ,
           one
           of
           his
           Elders
           added
           that
           
             John
             Baptist
          
           sent
           two
           of
           his
           Disciples
           to
           ask
           our
           Saviour
           ,
           whether
           he
           was
           the
           
             Messias
             ,
          
           or
           if
           they
           should
           look
           for
           another
           ,
           and
           our
           Saviour
           not
           answering
           them
           directly
           ,
           bids
           them
           tell
           their
           Master
           what
           they
           heard
           and
           saw
           ,
           yea
           ,
           and
           reckoneth
           up
           divers
           excellent
           particulars
           ,
           which
           he
           onely
           expressed
           without
           either
           inference
           or
           application
           ;
           so
           his
           meaning
           (
           to
           our
           apprehension
           )
           was
           ,
           that
           if
           we
           were
           not
           pleased
           with
           what
           they
           professed
           or
           practised
           ,
           concerning
           the
           worship
           of
           God
           ,
           we
           might
           rather
           come
           and
           see
           ,
           and
           heare
           and
           observe
           ,
           their
           works
           of
           conversion
           ,
           and
           manner
           of
           conversation
           ,
           then
           to
           reason
           the
           matter
           ;
           but
           we
           desiring
           first
           to
           conferre
           some
           few
           times
           ,
           to
           see
           if
           we
           could
           possibly
           agree
           in
           the
           truth
           ,
           perceiving
           their
           unwillingness
           ,
           by
           some
           harsh
           speeches
           and
           carriages
           ,
           did
           apprehend
           it
           would
           be
           to
           small
           purpose
           .
        
         
           Upon
           the
           hearing
           of
           these
           or
           words
           to
           that
           purpose
           ,
           Mr.
           
             Burton
          
           said
           ,
           that
           he
           had
           renounced
           his
           Ministry
           and
           Orders
           which
           he
           had
           of
           the
           Church
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           and
           that
           he
           witnessed
           by
           his
           suffering
           ,
           against
           the
           Ministry
           ,
           constitution
           ,
           worship
           ,
           Government
           ,
           and
           high-places
           of
           that
           national
           Church
           ,
           and
           that
           there
           was
           no
           holiness
           in
           those
           places
           .
        
         
           And
           upon
           his
           justifying
           himself
           and
           his
           people
           in
           all
           things
           ,
           by
           our
           Saviours
           practise
           and
           his
           Apostles
           ,
           it
           was
           demanded
           by
           Mr.
           
           
             Brown
             ;
          
           what
           meaneth
           then
           the
           blearing
           of
           those
           sheep
           ,
           and
           the
           lowing
           of
           them
           Oxen
           daily
           in
           our
           eares
           if
           you
           do
           ,
           and
           obey
           all
           things
           so
           well
           (
           as
           both
           
             Saul
          
           &
           the
           Angell
           of
           
             Laodicea
             ,
          
           &
           many
           others
           spake
           of
           themselves
           )
           what
           meaneth
           then
           (
           I
           say
           )
           both
           your
           preaching
           ,
           and
           all
           your
           Members
           hearing
           in
           those
           Parish-Assemblies
           ;
           is
           it
           not
           a
           halting
           between
           two
           opinions
           ,
           and
           that
           ye
           shew
           your selves
           ,
           neither
           to
           be
           hot
           nor
           could
           in
           so
           doing
           ?
        
         
           He
           answered
           that
           our
           Saviour
           and
           his
           Apostles
           ,
           resorted
           to
           the
           Synagogues
           of
           the
           Jewes
           ,
           and
           why
           might
           not
           they
           go
           as
           wel
           to
           the
           Parish-Assemblies
           ?
        
         
           But
           saith
           Mr.
           
             Brown
             ,
          
           you
           must
           neither
           compare
           the
           
             Jewish
          
           Church
           with
           the
           
             English
             ;
          
           nor
           yet
           the
           Synagogues
           of
           the
           one
           ,
           with
           the
           high
           places
           of
           the
           other
           ;
           but
           rather
           the
           high
           places
           
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           with
           those
           in
           
             Judah
             ,
          
           in
           that
           they
           have
           both
           an
           unlawful
           dedication
           and
           foundation
           ;
           so
           it
           appeareth
           by
           your
           practise
           ,
           whatsoever
           by
           your
           words
           you
           profess
           ,
           that
           you
           are
           still
           in
           
             Babel
             ,
          
           absolving
           the
           wicked
           (
           sparing
           as
           it
           were
           the
           fatt
           )
           by
           your
           presence
           ,
           and
           condemning
           the
           just
           in
           
             Sion
             ,
          
           (
           whom
           ye
           esteem
           to
           be
           lean
           )
           by
           your
           absence
           ,
           though
           ye
           know
           obedience
           to
           be
           better
           then
           sacrifice
           .
        
         
           He
           and
           another
           of
           his
           Elders
           answered
           ,
           that
           neither
           did
           he
           preach
           ,
           nor
           they
           hear
           in
           every
           common
           Parish-Church
           ,
           but
           such
           as
           they
           chused
           above
           others
           ,
           neither
           did
           they
           hear
           in
           those
           high-places
           ,
           as
           men
           were
           in
           discharge
           of
           their
           Ministerial
           function
           ,
           but
           onely
           in
           the
           exercise
           of
           their
           gifts
           ,
           and
           not
           so
           much
           for
           edification
           ,
           as
           that
           they
           might
           get
           some
           matter
           of
           accusation
           against
           them
           by
           hearing
           them
           ,
           and
           thereof
           make
           some
           profitable
           use
           ,
           when
           they
           saw
           a
           convenient
           occasion
           .
        
         
           Then
           it
           was
           demanded
           ,
           how
           he
           and
           other
           
             Independents
          
           could
           justifie
           their
           unequal
           yoking
           ,
           with
           those
           in
           the
           Parish-Assemblies
           ,
           whom
           they
           judge
           to
           be
           onely
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           and
           not
           of
           the
           Church
           ,
           as
           themselves
           profess
           to
           be
           ;
           and
           though
           they
           partake
           in
           the
           word
           &
           prayer
           with
           them
           ,
           in
           the
           publick
           high
           places
           ,
           yet
           they
           are
           not
           so
           thankful
           ,
           as
           to
           admit
           those
           of
           the
           Assemblies
           to
           partake
           with
           them
           at
           their
           privat
           administring
           the
           seales
           ,
           as
           if
           that
           privat
           separation
           at
           that
           time
           ,
           or
           in
           that
           place
           ,
           would
           alter
           the
           national
           Church
           constitution
           of
           them
           and
           all
           the
           root
           together
           in
           one
           .
        
         
           Whereas
           ,
           they
           should
           have
           no
           spiritual
           fellowship
           at
           all
           ,
           with
           the
           unfruitful
           works
           of
           darkness
           ,
           but
           rather
           reprove
           them
           ,
           and
           witness
           against
           them
           ,
           as
           both
           
             Iddo
          
           the
           Prophet
           did
           at
           
             Bethel
             ,
          
           and
           as
           the
           
             Jewes
          
           were
           commanded
           of
           God
           ,
           not
           to
           go
           to
           
             Bethaven
             ,
             Beersheba
             ,
             Bethel
             ,
          
           nor
           
             Gilgal
             ,
          
           yea
           and
           we
           find
           it
           recorded
           ,
           as
           a
           But
           or
           Exception
           ,
           even
           against
           some
           of
           the
           Kings
           of
           
             Judah
             ,
          
           for
           not
           abolishing
           those
           high
           places
           ;
           whereby
           not
           onely
           evil
           it self
           ,
           but
           all
           the
           appearances
           and
           occasions
           of
           evil
           might
           be
           removed
           ;
           so
           that
           whatsoever
           place
           hath
           an
           Idolatrous
           institution
           or
           dedication
           ,
           cannot
           by
           any
           meanes
           be
           purged
           ,
           but
           in
           altering
           the
           form
           thereof
           ,
           by
           utter
           demolition
           ,
           and
           scarce
           applying
           the
           same
           to
           a
           civil
           use
           ,
           or
           to
           be
           a
           common
           habitation
           .
        
         
         
           To
           which
           was
           answered
           ,
           that
           those
           places
           might
           still
           be
           well
           used
           by
           Gods
           people
           ,
           though
           they
           have
           been
           abused
           by
           Heathens
           and
           Papists
           .
        
         
           Whereupon
           occasion
           was
           taken
           by
           Mr.
           
             Brown
             ,
          
           (
           seeing
           them
           so
           unwilling
           to
           confess
           the
           truth
           )
           to
           clear
           those
           two
           points
           ,
           both
           of
           a
           Church-state
           ;
           and
           place
           of
           meeting
           ,
           expecting
           a
           satisfactory
           answer
           of
           them
           ,
           at
           least
           for
           the
           hearers
           sake
           .
        
         
           He
           affirmed
           ,
           that
           in
           regard
           the
           Temple
           of
           
             Jerusalem
             ,
          
           was
           built
           according
           to
           Gods
           own
           direction
           ,
           and
           therefore
           a
           holy
           work
           ,
           alwayes
           capable
           to
           be
           purged
           ,
           and
           reduced
           to
           the
           first
           principle
           of
           integrity
           ,
           if
           ever
           it
           should
           be
           abused
           by
           Idolatry
           ;
           as
           it
           was
           polluted
           ,
           purged
           ,
           and
           reduced
           divers
           times
           ,
           according
           as
           the
           Magistrates
           and
           people
           following
           their
           example
           ,
           were
           disposed
           to
           good
           or
           evil
           ,
           as
           upon
           divine
           record
           ,
           in
           the
           books
           of
           the
           
             Kings
          
           and
           
             Chronicles
          
           doth
           appear
           .
        
         
           So
           the
           Churches
           constituted
           by
           the
           immediat
           Apostles
           ,
           according
           to
           
             Christs
          
           institution
           ,
           consisting
           all
           of
           faithful
           people
           ,
           according
           to
           visibility
           ,
           (
           referring
           secret
           things
           to
           God
           )
           and
           therefore
           ,
           all
           proceeding
           from
           a
           true
           and
           holy
           original
           ,
           whensoever
           they
           should
           be
           corrupted
           either
           by
           sinful
           matter
           ,
           or
           corrupt
           practises
           ,
           as
           in
           
             Corinth
          
           by
           that
           incestuous
           person
           ,
           or
           in
           
             Galatia
          
           by
           that
           false
           Doctrine
           ,
           they
           were
           still
           purgeable
           ,
           and
           were
           indeed
           purged
           .
           for
           otherwise
           a
           little
           leaven
           ,
           would
           have
           sowred
           the
           whole
           lump
           .
        
         
           And
           according
           both
           to
           the
           Temple
           and
           Churches
           purifying
           ,
           
             Adam
          
           the
           first
           man
           ,
           being
           created
           holy
           and
           unblameable
           ,
           if
           he
           should
           fall
           ,
           (
           as
           he
           did
           indeed
           )
           to
           sin
           and
           Apostacie
           ,
           he
           was
           (
           by
           meanes
           of
           his
           original
           holiness
           by
           creation
           )
           restored
           by
           the
           second
           
             Adam
          
           Christ
           ,
           to
           his
           former
           integrity
           .
        
         
           But
           neither
           material
           Temples
           ,
           built
           by
           the
           man
           of
           sin
           and
           child
           of
           pardition
           ,
           nor
           by
           the
           Heathens
           ,
           and
           dedicated
           to
           Idolatry
           ,
           and
           intitled
           by
           the
           name
           of
           Saints
           departed
           ,
           although
           otherwise
           used
           to
           the
           worship
           of
           God
           ,
           as
           the
           
             Jewes
          
           did
           sacrifice
           still
           in
           the
           high-places
           of
           
             Judah
             ,
          
           after
           King
           
             Manasses
          
           conversion
           and
           reformation
           ,
           2
           
             Chron.
          
           33.
           17.
           nor
           yet
           assemblies
           gathered
           or
           constituted
           by
           humane
           invention
           ,
           contrary
           to
           the
           patern
           of
           the
           Churches
           mentioned
           in
           the
           Gospel
           ,
           can
           be
           reduced
           
           to
           any
           purity
           or
           integrity
           ,
           because
           they
           never
           had
           any
           ,
           but
           must
           needes
           still
           continue
           in
           Apostasie
           and
           Idolatry
           ,
           (
           as
           they
           were
           made
           thereof
           at
           the
           first
           ,
           until
           there
           be
           a
           visitation
           or
           dissolution
           )
           as
           we
           have
           woful
           experience
           ,
           even
           yet
           in
           these
           dayes
           :
           which
           were
           pretended
           to
           be
           dayes
           of
           reformation
           ,
           and
           might
           be
           yet
           so
           indeed
           ,
           if
           it
           should
           please
           God
           to
           honour
           those
           whom
           he
           hath
           set
           in
           Authority
           ,
           with
           so
           excellent
           ,
           worthy
           ,
           and
           glorious
           a
           work
           ,
           beyond
           all
           other
           works
           ;
           as
           he
           did
           that
           worthy
           young
           King
           
             Josiah
             .
          
        
         
           To
           those
           grounds
           thus
           ,
           or
           to
           this
           effect
           layed
           ,
           Mr.
           
             Burton
          
           and
           his
           congregation
           ,
           in
           stead
           of
           answering
           ,
           opposing
           ,
           applying
           ,
           or
           any
           wise
           clearing
           themselves
           ,
           (
           in
           a
           harsh
           and
           angry
           manner
           )
           propounded
           three
           questions
           to
           the
           
             Separatists
             .
          
        
         
           First
           ,
           who
           built
           the
           Synagogues
           of
           the
           
             Jewes
             ?
          
           To
           which
           he
           answered
           ,
           In
           that
           the
           Scripture
           is
           silent
           ,
           who
           built
           the
           Synagogues
           (
           except
           only
           a
           Centurion
           ,
           who
           loved
           the
           
             Iewish
          
           Nation
           built
           one
           )
           it
           doth
           not
           become
           any
           man
           to
           demand
           the
           question
           ;
           neither
           is
           it
           necessary
           to
           edification
           or
           salvatiō
           ;
           but
           we
           neither
           read
           nor
           hear
           of
           any
           dedication
           of
           them
           to
           Idolatry
           ,
           which
           the
           
             Scottish
          
           Covenant
           abjureth
           ,
           as
           wel
           as
           they
           do
           the
           
             Romish
          
           Hierarchy
           ,
           worldly
           monarchy
           ,
           blasphemous
           liturgy
           ,
           canonizing
           of
           Saints
           ,
           and
           baptizing
           of
           bells
           ;
           And
           it
           sufficeth
           us
           ,
           that
           the
           Synagogues
           were
           lawful
           meeting
           places
           ,
           for
           the
           more
           frequent
           and
           convenient
           practice
           of
           the
           
             Jewish
          
           Religion
           ,
           except
           what
           was
           appropriated
           to
           the
           Temple
           ,
           at
           certain
           times
           of
           the
           year
           ,
           or
           else
           neither
           our
           Saviour
           nor
           his
           Apostles
           would
           have
           countenanced
           those
           places
           with
           their
           presence
           ;
           nor
           
             King
             David
          
           in
           the
           
             Psalmes
          
           complained
           of
           the
           desolation
           thereof
           .
        
         
           His
           second
           Question
           was
           ,
           Might
           no
           meeting-houses
           be
           built
           ,
           to
           the
           Churches
           of
           the
           Saints
           now
           under
           the
           Gospel
           ?
           To
           which
           the
           
             Separatists
          
           answered
           ,
           that
           there
           both
           have
           been
           ,
           and
           still
           are
           many
           lawful
           meeting-places
           ,
           built
           by
           lawful
           Authority
           for
           the
           Churches
           of
           the
           Saints
           under
           the
           Gospel
           ,
           for
           keeping
           them
           both
           from
           the
           injury
           of
           weather
           ,
           and
           for
           their
           more
           quiet
           and
           peaceable
           practicing
           of
           the
           Ordinances
           ,
           being
           sheltered
           and
           hidden
           ,
           both
           from
           the
           open
           and
           secret
           enemies
           of
           
           God
           and
           his
           truth
           ,
           besides
           the
           dwelling
           ,
           houses
           of
           Members
           and
           wel-willers
           ,
           and
           wherein
           also
           are
           Churches
           ,
           both
           habiting
           and
           conversing
           ,
           and
           all
           without
           either
           dedication
           ,
           consecration
           ,
           or
           any
           kind
           of
           superstition
           .
        
         
           And
           his
           third
           question
           was
           ,
           Whether
           were
           those
           which
           we
           call
           high-places
           ,
           and
           he
           still
           comparing
           to
           the
           
             Synagogues
             ,
          
           consecrated
           before
           ,
           in
           ,
           or
           after
           they
           were
           built
           ?
           The
           Separatists
           answered
           ,
           that
           Mr.
           
             Burton
          
           himself
           knew
           better
           ,
           who
           built
           and
           dedicated
           those
           shops
           of
           
             Antichrist
          
           (
           wherein
           he
           hath
           lived
           all
           his
           dayes
           )
           then
           the
           
             Separatists
             ,
          
           who
           were
           meer
           strangers
           to
           such
           things
           ,
           and
           unto
           which
           ,
           both
           he
           and
           his
           Congregation
           do
           still
           bring
           all
           their
           Tithes
           ,
           Sacrifices
           ,
           Gifts
           ,
           and
           Oblations
           ;
           but
           for
           the
           hearers
           sake
           ,
           the
           
             Separatists
          
           said
           ,
           (
           according
           as
           they
           understood
           )
           that
           the
           full
           dedication
           of
           the
           house
           ,
           (
           whatsoever
           be
           of
           the
           ground
           )
           must
           be
           at
           the
           accomplishing
           :
           but
           in
           regard
           both
           of
           intention
           ,
           earnest
           ,
           and
           beginning
           of
           action
           ,
           are
           compleated
           at
           the
           first
           stone
           laying
           ,
           as
           the
           
             Bishops
          
           usually
           laid
           the
           first
           stone
           ,
           and
           made
           the
           blessed
           (
           or
           rather
           cursed
           )
           beginning
           ,
           and
           so
           they
           and
           the
           workmen
           proceeding
           and
           ending
           equally
           ,
           the
           one
           with
           the
           other
           ,
           by
           Masses
           ,
           mattens
           ,
           letanies
           ,
           or
           such
           like
           abominations
           ,
           whereby
           the
           
             Popish
          
           Clergy
           (
           stil
           strengthned
           with
           civil
           Authority
           )
           do
           practice
           their
           devotions
           in
           all
           their
           consecrations
           .
        
         
           And
           in
           end
           ,
           after
           Mr.
           
             Burton
          
           did
           withdraw
           to
           refresh
           himself
           ,
           he
           being
           in
           exercise
           with
           his
           congregation
           before
           this
           appointed
           disputation
           ,
           amongst
           some
           other
           speeches
           had
           with
           the
           Elders
           and
           other
           Members
           of
           his
           Church
           in
           his
           absence
           ,
           they
           alleadged
           ,
           that
           if
           we
           should
           look
           so
           narrowly
           and
           precisely
           ,
           to
           
             Antichristian
          
           or
           Heathenish
           dedication
           of
           places
           ,
           why
           do
           we
           offer
           any
           service
           or
           sacrifice
           to
           God
           at
           all
           ,
           either
           in
           
             England
             ,
             Scotland
             ,
             France
          
           or
           
             Ireland
             ;
          
           for
           they
           were
           all
           four
           dedicated
           to
           Saints
           departed
           ,
           such
           as
           
             St.
             George
             ,
             St.
             Andrew
             ,
             St.
             Denis
             ,
          
           and
           
             St.
             Patrick
             ?
          
        
         
           It
           was
           answered
           ,
           that
           those
           Nations
           and
           all
           others
           ,
           were
           created
           and
           built
           by
           the
           great
           
             CREATOR
             ,
          
           builder
           ,
           and
           maker
           of
           all
           things
           ,
           and
           ordained
           for
           his
           people
           to
           live
           in
           ,
           yea
           even
           the
           wicked
           as
           well
           as
           the
           godly
           ,
           all
           having
           equal
           right
           by
           the
           benefit
           
           of
           Creation
           ,
           even
           the
           tares
           as
           wel
           as
           the
           wheat
           in
           the
           field
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           until
           the
           Harvest
           of
           the
           great
           day
           ;
           but
           he
           never
           ordained
           any
           Idolatrous
           places
           which
           are
           built
           and
           dedicated
           by
           man
           ,
           (
           or
           by
           that
           man
           of
           sin
           ,
           and
           child
           of
           perdition
           )
           to
           be
           worshipped
           in
           ,
           but
           hath
           destinated
           such
           works
           ,
           yea
           and
           (
           workers
           also
           (
           except
           repentance
           intervene
           ,
           )
           to
           destruction
           ,
           and
           accounteth
           all
           kind
           of
           Sacrifices
           ,
           upon
           whatsoever
           pretence
           there
           offered
           ,
           to
           be
           like
           King
           
             Jeroboams
          
           practise
           at
           
             Dan
          
           and
           
             Bethel
             ,
          
           (
           who
           made
           
             Israel
          
           to
           sin
           )
           even
           abominations
           of
           desolation
           .
        
         
           
             Some
             of
             those
             Scriptures
             which
             concern
             these
             matters
             .
          
           
             
               Hos.
            
             4.
             15.
             
             Though
             thou
             
               Israel
            
             play
             the
             harlot
             ,
             yet
             let
             not
             
               ●udah
            
             offend
             ,
             and
             come
             not
             ye
             unto
             
               Gilgal
               ,
            
             neither
             go
             ye
             up
             to
             
               Bethaven
               ,
            
             nor
             swear
             ,
             The
             Lord
             liveth
             .
          
           
             
               Amos
            
             4.
             4.
             5.
             
             Come
             to
             
               Bethel
            
             and
             transgress
             ,
             at
             
               Gilgal
            
             multiply
             transgressions
             ;
             and
             bring
             your
             sacrifices
             every
             morning
             ,
             and
             your
             Tithes
             after
             three
             yeares
             .
             And
             offer
             a
             Sacrifice
             of
             thanks
             giving
             with
             leaven
             ,
             and
             proclaim
             and
             publish
             the
             free
             offerings
             ;
             for
             this
             liketh
             you
             ,
             O
             ye
             Children
             of
             Israel
             ,
             
               saith
               the
               Lord
               God
               .
            
          
           
             2
             
               Chron.
            
             14.
             2.
             3
             ,
             4
             ,
             5.
             
             And
             
               Asa
            
             did
             that
             which
             was
             good
             and
             right
             in
             the
             eyes
             of
             the
             Lord
             his
             God
             .
             For
             he
             took
             away
             the
             Altars
             of
             the
             strange
             gods
             ,
             and
             the
             
               high-places
               ,
            
             he
             brake
             down
             the
             Images
             ,
             and
             cut
             down
             the
             Groves
             .
             And
             he
             took
             away
             out
             of
             all
             the
             Cities
             of
             
               Judah
               ,
            
             the
             high
             places
             and
             the
             Images
             :
             and
             the
             Kingdom
             was
             quiet
             before
             him
             .
          
           
             
               Levit.
            
             26.
             29
             ,
             30.
             
             And
             ye
             shall
             eat
             the
             flesh
             of
             your
             Sons
             ,
             and
             the
             flesh
             of
             your
             Daughters
             shall
             ye
             eat
             .
             And
             I
             will
             destroy
             your
             high
             places
             ,
             and
             cut
             down
             your
             Images
             ,
             and
             cast
             your
             Carcases
             ,
             upon
             the
             Carcases
             of
             your
             Idoles
             ,
             and
             my
             soule
             shall
             abhorre
             you
             .
          
           
             2
             Chron.
             34.
             1.
             2
             ,
             3
             ,
             4
             ,
             5
             ,
             6
             ,
             7.
             1
             
             Kings
             ,
             13.
             2.
             2
             
             Kings
             23.
             13.
             14
             ,
             15
             ,
             16
             ,
             17
             ,
             18
             ,
             19
             ,
             20.
             
          
        
      
       
       
         
           Mr.
           Chidleys
           Letter
           to
           Mr.
           Goodwin
           ,
           And
           the
           summe
           of
           the
           Conference
           which
           followed
           thereupon
           .
        
         
           
             
               
                 Mr.
                 GOODVVIN
                 .
              
            
             
               THese
               are
               to
               certify
               you
               ,
               that
               Mrs.
               
               
                 Goodsone
              
               who
               is
               one
               of
               your
               Congregation
               is
               wife
               to
               one
               whoe
               is
               a
               Member
               with
               us
               of
               the
               Separation
               ,
               and
               she
               findeth
               her selfe
               agrieved
               that
               her
               Husband
               is
               not
               free
               to
               communicate
               with
               her
               in
               spirituall
               worship
               ,
               now
               she
               would
               willingly
               know
               wherein
               the
               difference
               lyes
               that
               we
               cannot
               communicate
               with
               you
               .
            
             
               Therefore
               we
               have
               occasion
               to
               inquire
               into
               the
               
                 matter
                 ,
                 forme
                 ,
                 ministery
                 ,
                 worship
                 and
                 government
              
               of
               your
               
                 Church
                 ,
              
               and
               shall
               desire
               satisfaction
               therein
               ,
               that
               it
               is
               according
               to
               the
               rule
               ,
               before
               we
               can
               joyne
               in
               
                 Communion
              
               therewith
               ,
               or
               with
               any
               of
               the
               Members
               thereof
               ,
               knowing
               that
               our
               
                 Lord
                 Christ
              
               requireth
               
                 separation
              
               in
               
                 Worship
                 ,
              
               not
               in
               part
               ,
               but
               wholly
               ,
               both
               from
               
                 persons
                 and
                 things
                 polluted
              
               with
               
                 diabolicall
                 uncleannesse
                 ,
              
               and
               to
               
                 cleanse
                 our selves
                 from
                 all
                 filthiness
                 ,
                 both
                 of
                 flesh
                 and
                 spirit
                 ,
                 and
                 to
                 perfect
                 holiness
                 in
                 his
                 feare
                 ,
              
               which
               is
               the
               desire
               of
               the
               soule
               of
               him
               who
               is
            
             
               
                 Your
                 true
                 friend
                 ,
                 ready
                 to
                 receive
                 your
                 manifestation
                 when
                 you
                 shall
                 appoint
                 that
                 I
                 may
                 come
                 to
                 you
                 ,
                 or
                 you
                 to
                 me
                 ,
                 SAMUEL
                 CHIDLEY
                 .
              
               
                 
                   13th
                   day
                   of
                   the
                   6th
                   month
                   ,
                   1648.
                   
                
              
            
          
        
         
         
           Upon
           the
           22.
           of
           
             August
             ,
          
           1648.
           the
           meeting
           was
           appointed
           to
           be
           ,
           unto
           which
           divers
           persons
           came
           ,
           at
           which
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           would
           have
           insisted
           upon
           the
           matter
           and
           forme
           ,
           &c.
           
        
         
           And
           first
           upon
           the
           
             matter
             ,
          
           but
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
          
           would
           not
           debate
           that
           ,
           nor
           other
           things
           there
           desired
           to
           be
           handled
           ,
           but
           said
           ,
           he
           would
           go
           a
           readier
           way
           to
           work
           ,
           and
           make
           an
           end
           of
           the
           businesse
           without
           that
           ;
           for
           saith
           he
           ,
           suppose
           it
           be
           granted
           ,
           that
           all
           our
           matter
           be
           so
           corrupt
           ,
           as
           you
           presuppose
           it
           is
           ,
           yet
           it
           is
           lawfull
           for
           your
           Members
           to
           communicate
           with
           ours
           ;
           for
           saith
           he
           ,
           it
           is
           lawfull
           for
           a
           man
           to
           communicate
           with
           one
           whom
           he
           doubts
           whether
           he
           be
           a
           
             Believer
          
           or
           not
           ,
           but
           this
           was
           denied
           by
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
             ,
          
           from
           two
           considerations
           .
        
         
           First
           ,
           That
           whatsoever
           is
           doubtfull
           is
           not
           to
           be
           practised
           ,
           though
           it
           be
           a
           thing
           indifferent
           ,
           
             because
             it
             is
             not
             of
             faith
             ,
          
           and
           therefore
           a
           
             sin
             ,
          
           because
           
             whatsoever
             is
             not
             of
             faith
             is
             sin
             .
          
        
         
           Secondly
           ,
           much
           more
           is
           he
           to
           forbeare
           that
           which
           is
           contrary
           to
           the
           
             word
          
           of
           God
           ,
           as
           to
           
             communicate
          
           with
           one
           of
           whom
           we
           have
           not
           good
           testimony
           of
           his
           life
           and
           conversation
           ,
           and
           that
           the
           work
           of
           grace
           is
           wrought
           upon
           him
           ,
           that
           he
           is
           effectually
           called
           ,
           and
           separated
           from
           Idolatry
           ,
           and
           cleaveth
           unto
           the
           
             Way
             of
             Christ
          
           in
           purity
           .
           Now
           said
           he
           ,
           we
           know
           you
           not
           ,
           yee
           are
           strangers
           to
           us
           .
        
         
           We
           are
           not
           come
           to
           accuse
           ,
           but
           to
           hear
           your
           manifestation
           for
           our
           satisfaction
           ,
           that
           yee
           are
           fit
           matter
           for
           the
           
             Church
             of
             Christ
             ,
          
           and
           we
           hope
           we
           shall
           not
           break
           
             Communion
          
           for
           every
           circumstance
           of
           difference
           amongst
           us
           ,
           if
           it
           do
           not
           make
           against
           the
           abosolute
           being
           of
           a
           
             Saint
             .
          
        
         
           Then
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
          
           said
           ,
           I
           grant
           that
           a
           man
           is
           not
           to
           practise
           a
           thing
           if
           he
           be
           doubtfull
           of
           it
           ,
           but
           howsoever
           ,
           he
           that
           is
           doubtfull
           is
           to
           give
           good
           reason
           of
           his
           doubt
           .
        
         
           Then
           the
           Gentleman
           that
           doubted
           ,
           was
           called
           upon
           to
           give
           his
           Reasons
           ,
           why
           he
           could
           not
           communicate
           with
           his
           wife
           ,
           who
           told
           them
           that
           the
           Lord
           had
           shewed
           him
           the
           evill
           of
           the
           Church
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           and
           that
           he
           was
           joyned
           to
           a
           separated
           Congregation
           ,
           and
           thought
           that
           he
           should
           not
           be
           fit
           matter
           for
           the
           
             Church
          
           to
           communicate
           with
           ,
           if
           he
           should
           hold
           Communion
           with
           the
           Members
           of
           Mr.
           
           
             Goodwins
             Church
             ,
             because
          
           Mr.
           
           
             Goodwins
          
           Peoples
           practice
           was
           to
           preach
           and
           heare
           in
           the
           
           
             Parrish-Churches
          
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           and
           to
           
             Worship
          
           in
           the
           
             Idolls
             Temples
             ,
          
           and
           to
           
             Baptize
             the
             Children
          
           of
           
             unbelievers
             ,
          
           and
           such
           like
           .
        
         
           Then
           after
           some
           further
           discourse
           ,
           they
           shewed
           themselves
           to
           be
           willing
           to
           debate
           the
           businesse
           concerning
           the
           
             high
             places
             ;
          
           whereupon
           the
           question
           was
           stated
           .
        
         
           
             Whether
             it
             were
             lawfull
             to
             worship
             in
             the
             Idolls
             Temples
             ?
          
           The
           sum
           of
           the
           Conference
           briefly
           followeth
           .
           
           The
           
             Apostle
          
           to
           
             Timothy
             ,
             (
             Tim.
             2.
             8.
             
             )
          
           saith
           ,
           
             I
             will
             therefore
             that
             men
             pray
             every where
             ,
             lifting
             up
             holy
             hands
             ,
             without
             wrath
             and
             doubting
             .
          
           And
           thereupon
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
          
           argued
           ,
           that
           Gods
           word
           had
           made
           no
           restriction
           ,
           and
           therefore
           that
           we
           are
           not
           to
           restraine
           it
           ,
           and
           that
           therefore
           this
           word
           :
           
             (
             every where
             )
          
           in
           this
           place
           is
           to
           be
           taken
           for
           all
           manner
           of
           places
           without
           exception
           .
        
         
           To
           which
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           answered
           ,
           that
           God
           himself
           had
           made
           restrictions
           ,
           shewing
           that
           we
           are
           not
           to
           worship
           him
           in
           Idolls
           Temples
           ,
           for
           he
           hath
           commanded
           them
           to
           be
           quite
           
             pull'd
             down
             ,
             Numb.
          
           33.
           52.
           and
           that
           command
           is
           not
           taken
           away
           ,
           but
           remaineth
           in
           full
           force
           to
           this
           day
           ;
           This
           word
           
             every
          
           in
           this
           place
           is
           to
           be
           restrained
           ,
           as
           in
           other
           places
           ,
           where
           it
           s
           said
           ,
           
             Children
             obey
             your
             Parents
             in
             all
             things
             ,
             Col.
             3.
             20.
             
             Servants
             obey
             your
             Masters
             in
             all
             things
             ;
             and
             every
             Creature
             of
             God
             is
             good
             ,
             and
             all
             things
             are
             lawfull
             :
          
           In
           all
           which
           we
           are
           to
           know
           ,
           how
           farre
           such
           words
           are
           restrained
           ,
           and
           how
           farre
           not
           ;
           it
           extendeth
           ,
           and
           is
           to
           be
           restrained
           to
           
             lawfull
             things
             ,
          
           and
           so
           this
           place
           where
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             pray
             every where
             ,
          
           that
           is
           ,
           
             in
             every
             place
             which
             is
             not
             prohibited
             by
             Gods
             Law
             ,
          
           but
           it
           s
           prohibited
           by
           
             Gods
             Law
          
           for
           the
           Saints
           to
           worship
           in
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           for
           he
           hath
           commanded
           ,
           they
           should
           be
           quite
           pluckt
           down
           ,
           saying
           
             ye
             shall
             quite
             pluck
             down
             all
             their
             high
             places
             ,
             Numb.
          
           33.
           52.
           because
           they
           are
           polluted
           with
           diabolicall
           uncleannesse
           ,
           now
           this
           Command
           was
           never
           abrogated
           ,
           as
           I
           said
           before
           :
           But
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
          
           said
           there
           is
           no
           
             Guilt
             of
             sin
          
           upon
           the
           
             high
             places
             ,
          
           neither
           is
           there
           any
           
             sin
             imputed
          
           to
           them
           ,
           but
           its
           a
           sin
           to
           hold
           restriction
           of
           places
           for
           
             Gods
             worship
          
        
         
           To
           which
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           answered
           ,
           That
           God
           accounts
           them
           
             diabolically
             uncleane
             ,
          
           and
           calleth
           them
           by
           the
           name
           of
           
             sin
             it selfe
             .
          
           as
           he
           calleth
           
             the
             high
             places
             of
             Aven
             ,
             the
             sin
             of
             Israel
             ,
             Hosea
          
           10.
           8.
           
           And
           if
           it
           be
           a
           sin
           to
           hold
           restriction
           of
           places
           for
           the
           worship
           of
           
           God
           ,
           then
           it
           is
           a
           sin
           to
           uphold
           that
           restriction
           ,
           by
           worshipping
           God
           in
           those
           places
           that
           are
           so
           restrained
           .
        
         
           It
           s
           you
           that
           uphold
           distinction
           of
           places
           said
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
             ,
          
           not
           we
           who
           meet
           in
           them
           ;
           we
           hold
           all
           places
           alike
           .
        
         
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           answered
           again
           ,
           we
           uphold
           not
           the
           distinction
           of
           places
           ,
           but
           it
           s
           you
           by
           your
           
             worshipping
             ,
          
           and
           pleading
           for
           those
           places
           that
           are
           restrained
           by
           men
           .
        
         
           Saith
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
             ,
          
           even
           now
           you
           would
           maintain
           distinction
           of
           
             places
             ,
          
           and
           now
           you
           say
           ,
           you
           uphold
           no
           distinction
           of
           places
           .
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           said
           ,
           its
           true
           in
           a
           sense
           ,
           we
           uphold
           them
           not
           at
           all
           ;
           but
           when
           they
           have
           set
           up
           Idolls
           Temples
           ,
           we
           do
           hold
           that
           those
           places
           are
           made
           diabolicall
           by
           them
           ,
           because
           wicked
           men
           have
           dedicated
           them
           to
           their
           
             Idols
             :
          
           no
           more
           doth
           God
           himself
           in
           the
           first
           place
           make
           such
           distinctions
           of
           places
           as
           they
           make
           ,
           but
           when
           once
           they
           have
           put
           
             a
             diabolicall
             uncleannesse
          
           upon
           the
           same
           ,
           
             God
          
           declares
           then
           that
           they
           are
           
             uncleane
             ,
          
           and
           calleth
           them
           
             sin
             ,
          
           and
           commandeth
           them
           to
           be
           
             pulled
             down
             ,
          
           and
           so
           we
           distinguish
           not
           in
           the
           first
           place
           ,
           but
           they
           make
           the
           places
           to
           be
           distinct
           
             diabolically
          
           by
           their
           
             dedication
          
           of
           those
           places
           to
           
             Idols
             ,
          
           and
           so
           the
           distinction
           is
           
             theirs
             ,
          
           not
           
             ours
             .
             God
          
           himself
           
             made
             all
             things
             good
             at
             the
             first
             ,
          
           and
           made
           no
           
             Devill
             ,
          
           but
           made
           
             Angels
             ,
          
           and
           they
           made
           themselves
           
             Devills
             ,
             so
             he
             made
             all
             things
             good
             ,
             and
             made
             no
             Temple
             of
             Idolls
             ,
             or
             Temple
             of
             Devills
             ,
          
           so
           concerning
           men
           he
           professeth
           ,
           
             that
             he
             desireth
             not
             the
             death
             of
             a
             sixner
             ,
             and
             why
             will
             ye
             die
             O
             House
             of
             Israel
             ?
          
           to
           shew
           them
           that
           
             their
             damnation
             is
             of
             themselves
             ,
          
           and
           yet
           elsewhere
           he
           sheweth
           in
           respect
           of
           the
           
             evill
             of
             punishment
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             evill
             in
             the
             City
             but
             he
             doth
             it
             ;
          
           but
           they
           bring
           it
           upon
           themselves
           in
           the
           first
           place
           .
           Therefore
           when
           they
           have
           made
           
             Idols
             ,
          
           or
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           God
           owneth
           them
           not
           ,
           but
           in
           his
           just
           judgement
           
             punisheth
          
           them
           ,
           and
           commands
           them
           to
           be
           demolished
           ;
           and
           we
           would
           have
           them
           to
           be
           destroyed
           ,
           according
           to
           
             Gods
             Commands
             ,
          
           and
           the
           
             example
             of
             King
             Josiah
             ,
             2.
             Chron.
          
           34.
           and
           other
           
             holymen
             of
             God
             ,
          
           and
           therefore
           we
           are
           farre
           from
           upholding
           them
           :
           yet
           hold
           them
           the
           
             Temples
             of
             Devills
             ,
          
           till
           they
           are
           pulled
           down
           .
           It
           s
           impossible
           said
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
             ,
          
           to
           prove
           that
           all
           the
           
             Temples
          
           in
           the
           Land
           are
           dedicated
           to
           
             Idolls
             ;
          
           but
           what
           if
           they
           were
           ,
           is
           it
           unlawfull
           to
           worship
           in
           them
           therefore
           ?
        
         
           2.
           
           
             These
             Steeple-houses
          
           here
           ,
           were
           not
           
             dedicated
             to
             Devills
             ,
          
           
           but
           some
           to
           
             Christ
             ,
          
           others
           of
           them
           are
           
             dedicated
             to
             God
             ,
          
           himself
           ,
           even
           to
           the
           
             Trinity
             ,
          
           and
           most
           of
           them
           are
           
             dedicated
             to
             Saints
             ,
          
           &c.
           
        
         
           3.
           
           Christ
           came
           into
           the
           World
           to
           take
           away
           the
           distinction
           between
           
             places
          
           and
           
             places
             ,
          
           and
           to
           make
           
             all
             places
             alike
             ;
          
           and
           to
           deny
           this
           ,
           tendeth
           to
           deny
           that
           
             Christ
             Jesus
          
           is
           come
           into
           the
           world
           ,
           and
           to
           establish
           
             Jewishme
             .
          
        
         
           4.
           
           When
           he
           came
           into
           the
           
             world
             ,
          
           he
           dissolved
           the
           
             uncleannes
          
           which
           God
           had
           made
           and
           put
           upon
           the
           
             Creatures
             ,
          
           how
           much
           more
           then
           the
           
             uncleannesse
          
           which
           men
           had
           put
           on
           those
           places
           of
           theirs
           built
           of
           
             stone
             .
          
        
         
           5.
           
           By
           the
           same
           grounds
           we
           may
           refuse
           to
           worship
           
             God
          
           in
           any
           part
           of
           the
           land
           :
           suppose
           this
           whole
           
             Kingdom
          
           be
           dedicated
           to
           St.
           
             George
             ,
          
           as
           
             France
          
           to
           St.
           
             Dennis
             ,
          
           &
           all
           the
           
             houses
          
           dedicated
           all
           over
           the
           
             Kingdom
             ,
          
           as
           once
           its
           said
           to
           be
           
             wholly
             dedicated
             to
             St.
             George
             ;
          
           must
           we
           not
           worship
           
             God
          
           in
           the
           
             Kingdom
             ,
          
           because
           of
           that
           .
        
         
           6.
           
           In
           
             John
          
           the
           4.
           its
           clear
           that
           
             Jesus
             Christ
          
           speaking
           to
           the
           woman
           of
           
             Samaria
             ,
          
           sheweth
           that
           
             all
             places
             are
             now
             alike
             ,
          
           and
           as
           there
           is
           no
           place
           unto
           which
           the
           
             worship
          
           of
           God
           is
           bound
           ,
           so
           there
           is
           no
           place
           ,
           though
           an
           
             Idolls
             Temple
             ,
          
           but
           that
           men
           may
           lawfully
           worship
           and
           serve
           God
           in
           ;
           for
           when
           the
           woman
           questioned
           ,
           
             saying
             v.
             20.
             
             Our
             Fathers
             worshipped
             in
             this
             Mountain
             ,
             and
             ye
             say
             that
             in
             Jerusalem
             is
             the
             place
             where
             men
             ought
             to
             worship
             .
             21.
             
             Jesus
             said
             unto
             the
             woman
             ,
             believe
             me
             the
             houre
             cometh
             ,
             when
             ye
             shall
             neither
             in
             this
             Mountain
             ,
             nor
             yet
             at
          
           Jerusalem
           
             Worship
             the
             Father
             .
          
           As
           if
           he
           should
           say
           ,
           the
           houre
           is
           coming
           ,
           that
           all
           places
           shall
           be
           left
           free
           for
           to
           worship
           in
           ,
           both
           
             this
             mountain
             ,
          
           and
           
             all
             others
             ,
          
           not
           one
           place
           above
           another
           ,
           but
           all
           alike
           ,
           no
           place
           more
           
             holy
             ,
          
           no
           place
           more
           
             unholy
             ,
          
           though
           in
           the
           
             Mountain
          
           of
           
             Samaria
             ,
             where
             was
             an
             Idolls
             Temple
             ,
          
           and
           so
           takes
           away
           the
           distinction
           of
           
             places
             ,
          
           which
           was
           under
           the
           
             Law
             .
             And
             the
             reason
             why
             the
             Idolls
             Temples
             were
             prohibited
             under
             the
             Law
             ,
             was
             because
             God
             had
             branded
             them
             then
             .
          
        
         
           7.
           
           Upon
           the
           same
           ground
           that
           we
           must
           not
           worship
           in
           
             these
             places
             ,
          
           because
           dedicated
           by
           
             Idolaters
             ,
          
           it
           is
           not
           lawful
           for
           men
           to
           worship
           in
           their
           
             houses
             ,
          
           because
           
             Idolatry
          
           hath
           been
           committed
           theer
           .
        
         
           Unto
           all
           which
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           made
           answer
           as
           followeth
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           It
           is
           not
           impossible
           to
           prove
           these
           
             Temples
          
           in
           the
           
             Land
          
           which
           the
           
             Idolators
          
           frequent
           to
           be
           
             dedicated
          
           to
           
             Idolls
             .
          
           And
           the
           
           way
           to
           try
           them
           is
           as
           a
           
             Thief
          
           or
           
             Murderer
          
           is
           
             tryed
          
           when
           he
           is
           
             arraigned
          
           before
           the
           
             Judge
             ,
          
           if
           he
           
             confesse
          
           it
           with
           his
           own
           mouth
           ,
           
             he
             is
             out
             of
             his
             own
             mouth
             condemned
             ;
          
           even
           so
           ,
           if
           the
           founders
           of
           these
           places
           ,
           have
           confessed
           out
           of
           their
           own
           mouthes
           ,
           that
           they
           have
           dedicated
           them
           to
           such
           uses
           ,
           as
           the
           Records
           of
           the
           Realm
           testifie
           ,
           the
           said
           places
           are
           condemned
           ,
           and
           ought
           to
           be
           executed
           ,
           but
           for
           these
           things
           ,
           I
           referre
           unto
           the
           records
           of
           the
           
             Realme
             ,
          
           and
           unto
           those
           plain
           and
           manifest
           proofes
           openly
           known
           formerly
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           Whereas
           it
           s
           alledged
           that
           they
           were
           not
           
             dedicated
          
           unto
           
             Devills
             ,
          
           I
           say
           
             Temples
             dedicated
          
           to
           
             Idolls
             ,
          
           are
           
             dedicated
          
           to
           
             Devils
             ,
          
           and
           so
           the
           
             Apostle
             Paul
          
           speaketh
           of
           the
           
             Idolls
             Sacrifices
             ,
          
           when
           he
           saith
           to
           the
           
             Corinthians
             ,
             1
             Cor.
          
           10.
           20.
           
           That
           the
           things
           which
           the
           
             Gentiles
             sacrifice
             ,
             they
             sacrifice
             to
             Devills
             ,
          
           and
           not
           to
           
             God
             ,
          
           and
           
             I
             would
             not
             that
             they
             should
             have
             fellowship
             with
             Devills
             ;
          
           The
           Scripture
           calleth
           
             Idolls
          
           by
           the
           name
           of
           
             Devills
             ,
          
           so
           the
           two
           calves
           which
           
             Jeroboam
          
           set
           up
           at
           
             Dan
          
           and
           
             Bethel
          
           were
           called
           
             Devills
             ,
          
           for
           in
           setting
           up
           and
           worshipping
           
             Idolls
             ,
          
           men
           set
           up
           and
           worship
           
             Devills
             :
          
           therefore
           the
           
             Temples
          
           of
           
             Idolls
          
           are
           the
           
             Temples
          
           of
           
             Devills
             ,
          
           (
           and
           not
           the
           
             Temples
          
           of
           
             God
             )
          
           no
           more
           are
           these
           .
        
         
           
             And
             whereas
             it
             is
             said
             some
             are
          
           dedicated
           
             to
          
           Christ
           ,
           
             what
             is
          
           their
           Christ
           ?
           their
           Christ
           
             is
             not
             he
             that
          
           standeth
           at
           the
           right
           hand
           of
           God
           ,
           
             but
             it
             is
          
           a
           peece
           of
           bread
           ,
           
             which
             they
             fall
             down
             and
          
           worship
           ,
           
             calling
             it
          
           their
           God
           ,
           
             and
             eat
             it
             when
             they
             have
             done
             ,
          
           O
           ridiculous
           horrible
           impiety
           ,
           worse
           then
           Jeroboams
           !
           
             and
             they
             do
             not
             say
             ,
          
           it
           s
           a
           figure
           of
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           
             and
          
           the
           wine
           a
           figure
           of
           the
           blood
           of
           Christ
           ,
           
             but
             (
             say
             they
             )
             it
             is
          
           really
           
             the
          
           Body
           
             and
          
           Blood
           
             of
          
           Christ
           ,
           
             and
             to
          
           this
           Christ
           
             do
             they
          
           dedicate
           
             their
          
           Temples
           
             which
             they
             call
          
           Christs
           Chruch
           .
        
         
           And
           so
           their
           
             Trinity
          
           is
           not
           the
           
             eternall
             God
             ,
          
           the
           
             Father
             ,
             Son
             ,
          
           and
           
             Holy
             Spirit
             ,
          
           but
           their
           
             Trinity
          
           which
           they
           
             worship
          
           is
           the
           picture
           
             (
             painted
             upon
             a
             wall
             )
          
           of
           an
           
             old
             man
             (
             sitting
             )
          
           in
           (
           that
           which
           they
           
             picture
             )
          
           for
           
             heaven
             ,
          
           and
           there
           is
           the
           
             Picture
          
           of
           what
           they
           call
           the
           
             Son
             :
          
           and
           the
           
             Holy
             Ghost
             ,
          
           they
           have
           also
           
             (
             painted
          
           out
           )
           in
           the
           
             likenesse
          
           of
           a
           
             Dove
             ;
             this
             is
             their
             Trinity
          
           which
           they
           
             fall
          
           down
           and
           
             worship
             ,
          
           and
           
             dedicate
             their
             Temples
             unto
          
           And
           admit
           that
           most
           of
           them
           were
           dedicated
           to
           
             Saints
          
           and
           
             Angels
             ,
          
           it
           is
           to
           be
           considered
           ,
           whether
           it
           be
           not
           
             Idolatry
          
           to
           
             dedicate
          
           any
           
             Places
          
           
           to
           
             Saints
          
           or
           
             Angels
             ;
          
           but
           what
           are
           your
           
             Saints
          
           or
           
             Angels
          
           which
           they
           
             dedicate
          
           their
           
             Temples
          
           unto
           new
           
             Images
          
           which
           they
           make
           of
           them
           ,
           that
           are
           no
           more
           like
           unto
           them
           ,
           then
           my
           
             Pictur
          
           is
           like
           Mr.
           
           
             Goodwins
             ,
          
           and
           they
           fall
           down
           before
           these
           
             Images
             ,
          
           saying
           ,
           
             St.
             Peter
             save
             me
             ,
             St.
             Paul
             save
             me
             ,
          
           &c.
           
           These
           their
           impieties
           far
           exceed
           the
           
             Abominations
          
           of
           the
           
             Heathens
             ,
          
           and
           so
           are
           their
           
             Idols
             Temples
             abominable
             places
             ,
          
           and
           ought
           not
           to
           be
           
             worshipped
             in
             ,
          
           of
           the
           
             Saints
             .
          
           Besides
           
             divers
             Temples
          
           in
           
             England
          
           are
           
             builded
          
           and
           
             dedicated
          
           to
           the
           
             Heathen
             Gods
             ,
          
           as
           well
           as
           these
           are
           to
           the
           
             Christian
          
           or
           rather
           
             Antichristian
             Gods
             .
          
        
         
           Then
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
          
           began
           to
           commend
           what
           he
           had
           read
           of
           the
           
             Papists
          
           works
           ,
           concerning
           the
           
             nature
          
           and
           
             essence
          
           of
           
             God
             ,
          
           saying
           ,
           We
           should
           not
           belie
           the
           
             Devill
             .
          
        
         
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           answered
           ,
           do
           you
           think
           that
           
             Jeroboam
          
           and
           
             Jesus
          
           was
           not
           acquainted
           with
           such
           things
           ?
           but
           the
           
             Papists
          
           impiety
           far
           exceedeth
           his
           ,
           
             he
             made
             Calves
          
           in
           imitation
           of
           those
           at
           
             Jerusalem
             .
          
           These
           make
           a
           
             breaden
             God
             ,
          
           and
           eat
           it
           when
           they
           have
           done
           ,
           besides
           their
           other
           
             Abominations
             ,
          
           by
           which
           
             they
             provoke
             the
             Lord
             to
             anger
             .
          
        
         
           Therefore
           friends
           ,
           
           I
           desire
           as
           you
           tender
           the
           
             salvation
          
           of
           your
           
             soules
             ,
          
           to
           
             labour
          
           to
           
             know
             that
             iniquity
             is
             in
             a
             mystery
             ,
          
           and
           to
           discover
           the
           same
           ;
           and
           also
           learn
           to
           
             know
             the
             mystery
             of
             godliness
             ,
          
           and
           how
           
             it
             differs
             from
             the
             mystery
             of
             iniquity
             ,
          
           though
           in
           some
           sort
           the
           
             mystery
          
           of
           
             iniquity
          
           resembleth
           it
           ,
           which
           maketh
           it
           the
           harder
           to
           be
           discerned
           ,
           which
           causeth
           so
           many
           
             soules
          
           to
           be
           blinded
           to
           their
           condemnation
           ;
           for
           God
           is
           not
           their
           God
           ,
           but
           these
           are
           ,
           
             these
             are
             their
             Gods
             ,
          
           let
           them
           pretend
           what
           ever
           they
           will
           ,
           they
           
             worship
             these
             Images
             .
          
        
         
           3.
           
           Where
           it
           s
           said
           that
           Christ
           came
           into
           the
           world
           to
           take
           away
           the
           
             distinction
          
           of
           
             places
          
           and
           
             places
             ,
          
           and
           to
           make
           
             all
             places
             alike
             ,
          
           and
           that
           to
           deny
           this
           ,
           tendeth
           to
           deny
           that
           
             Jesus
             Christ
          
           is
           come
           into
           the
           
             World
             ,
          
           and
           to
           
             establish
             Jewishme
             .
          
        
         
           I
           answer
           ,
           That
           
             Christ
             came
             not
             into
             the
             world
             to
             take
             away
             the
             diabolicall
             uncleanness
             of
             Idols
             Temples
             :
          
           no
           more
           then
           of
           
             Idols
          
           themselves
           :
           to
           affirm
           that
           he
           did
           ,
           tendeth
           not
           onely
           to
           deny
           
             Christ
             ,
          
           but
           also
           to
           acknowledge
           
             Antichrist
             ,
          
           and
           to
           
             establish
             Idolatry
             .
          
           But
           he
           hath
           said
           ,
           
             Little
             Children
             ,
             keep
             your selves
             from
             Idolls
             .
          
        
         
         
           4.
           
           Whereas
           it
           is
           said
           ,
           that
           when
           he
           came
           he
           
             dissolved
          
           the
           
             uncleanness
          
           which
           
             God
          
           had
           made
           ,
           and
           put
           upon
           the
           
             Creatures
             ;
          
           how
           much
           more
           then
           the
           
             uncleanness
          
           which
           men
           had
           put
           upon
           those
           
             places
             ,
          
           but
           of
           
             lime
          
           and
           
             stone
             ?
          
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           answered
           ,
           that
           it
           followeth
           not
           :
           That
           because
           
             Christ
             did
             take
             away
             the
             ceremonial
             uncleanness
             which
             was
             put
             upon
             the
             Creatures
             by
             God
             ,
          
           that
           therefore
           he
           took
           away
           the
           
             diabolicall
             uncleanness
          
           which
           was
           put
           upon
           the
           
             Creatures
          
           by
           
             men
             ,
          
           unless
           to
           
             demolish
             ,
          
           and
           
             abolish
          
           them
           .
           As
           at
           his
           coming
           its
           said
           ,
           
             the
             Idols
             he
             will
             utterly
             abolish
             ;
          
           It
           s
           a
           
             maxim
          
           in
           
             divinity
             ,
          
           amongst
           the
           
             Separation
             ,
          
           that
           
             Christ
             dyed
             not
             for
             Temples
             made
             of
             lime
             and
             stone
             ,
          
           but
           for
           
             his
             Church
             ,
          
           which
           consisteth
           of
           
             living
             stones
             ,
          
           he
           died
           not
           then
           for
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           no
           more
           then
           for
           
             Idols
             :
          
           and
           though
           I
           am
           
             verily
             perswaded
             ,
             that
             nothing
             is
             unclean
             of
             it self
             ,
          
           so
           it
           was
           in
           the
           time
           of
           the
           
             Law
             ,
          
           but
           
             institution
          
           caused
           the
           
             difference
             ,
          
           and
           it
           is
           considerable
           ,
           that
           in
           the
           time
           of
           the
           
             Law
          
           the
           
             Badgers
          
           
             †
          
           
             Skinnes
          
           were
           made
           use
           of
           to
           cover
           the
           
             Lord
             Sanctuary
             ,
          
           but
           when
           did
           the
           Lord
           ever
           take
           that
           which
           belonged
           to
           any
           
             Idol
             ,
          
           or
           
             Idols
             Temple
             ,
          
           to
           
             cover
             his
             Sanctuary
             ?
          
           never
           ;
           it
           argueth
           therefore
           ,
           that
           there
           is
           a
           great
           deal
           of
           difference
           between
           those
           Creatures
           ,
           that
           were
           ceremonially
           unclean
           ,
           and
           those
           diabolically
           unclean
           ,
           and
           
             Christ
          
           might
           well
           take
           away
           the
           
             uncleannes
          
           of
           the
           one
           ,
           but
           not
           of
           the
           other
           ;
           we
           are
           bidden
           in
           the
           Gospel
           ,
           to
           
             keep
             our selves
             from
             Idols
             ,
          
           and
           
             from
             the
             pollutions
             of
             Idols
             :
          
           Therefore
           
             Jesus
             Christ
             hath
             not
             cleansed
             them
             ,
             though
             he
             hath
             made
             the
             ceremonial
             things
             common
             .
          
        
         
           5.
           
           Whereas
           it
           was
           said
           ,
           by
           the
           same
           ground
           ,
           as
           we
           refuse
           to
           worship
           
             God
          
           in
           these
           
             dedicated
             places
             ;
          
           we
           may
           refuse
           to
           
             Worship
             God
          
           in
           any
           place
           of
           the
           Land
           .
        
         
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           answered
           ,
           that
           it
           followeth
           not
           ;
           for
           though
           some
           be
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           yet
           all
           the
           house
           are
           not
           .
        
         
           I
           know
           said
           he
           ,
           that
           as
           the
           
             Heathen
             Nations
          
           had
           their
           
             great
             Gods
          
           besides
           their
           
             petty
             Gods
             ,
          
           so
           
             these
             Nations
          
           besides
           there
           
             petty
             abominable
             Idols
             ,
          
           they
           have
           
             for
             every
             Nation
             a
             God
             ;
          
           as
           St.
           
             George
             for
             England
             ,
          
           St.
           
             Patricke
             for
             Ireland
             ,
          
           St.
           
             Denis
             for
             France
             ,
          
           St.
           
             David
             for
             wales
             ;
          
           and
           to
           that
           
             God
          
           St.
           
             George
          
           are
           
             Temples
             dedicated
             ,
          
           which
           are
           called
           
             Saint
             Georges
             Churches
             :
          
           these
           are
           therefore
           
             Idoles
             Temples
             ,
          
           and
           ought
           not
           to
           be
           worshipped
           in
           ,
           it
           cannot
           be
           proved
           so
           of
           
             all
             the
             houses
          
           in
           the
           
             Land
             ;
          
           but
           if
           any
           man
           wil
           
           prove
           his
           house
           to
           be
           an
           
             Idols
             Temple
          
           when
           the
           
             Parl.
          
           sets
           forth
           an
           edict
           that
           all
           the
           
             Idols
             Temples
          
           in
           the
           
             Land
          
           shall
           be
           thrown
           down
           ,
           those
           shall
           be
           demolished
           as
           well
           as
           the
           other
           .
           As
           
             King
             Hen
             :
          
           the
           
             8th
             .
          
           did
           demolish
           divers
           of
           the
           Monasteries
           .
        
         
           
             King
             Henry
          
           8th
           .
           did
           somwhat
           like
           to
           
             Jehu
             .
             Jehu
          
           though
           he
           destroyed
           the
           
             House
          
           of
           
             Baal
             ,
          
           yet
           the
           
             Idols
             Temples
          
           of
           
             Jereboam
          
           he
           destroyed
           not
           :
           so
           
             King
             Henry
          
           the
           8th
           .
           destroyed
           divers
           of
           the
           
             great
             high
             places
             ,
          
           but
           the
           
             lesser
             high
             places
          
           he
           did
           not
           demolish
           ;
           though
           they
           were
           all
           one
           in
           respect
           of
           
             pollution
             ;
          
           save
           that
           which
           hath
           most
           deceit
           in
           it
           ,
           is
           most
           to
           be
           hated
           .
        
         
           And
           as
           for
           the
           Land
           it selfe
           ,
           if
           it
           be
           possible
           to
           
             Dedicate
          
           the
           whole
           earth
           to
           St.
           
             George
             ,
          
           then
           its
           possible
           to
           dedicate
           the
           
             whole
             world
          
           to
           an
           
             Idoll
             :
          
           but
           it
           is
           not
           in
           their
           power
           to
           
             dedicate
          
           it
           no
           more
           then
           to
           dedicate
           the
           
             Sun
             and
             Moon
             and
             Starrs
          
           &c.
           
           Now
           the
           
             Sun
          
           and
           
             Moone
          
           and
           
             Starrs
          
           have
           been
           worshipped
           as
           Gods
           ,
           yet
           were
           not
           to
           be
           demolished
           ;
           because
           they
           were
           not
           their
           
             only
             propriety
             ,
          
           all
           men
           have
           their
           
             propriety
             in
             them
             ;
          
           and
           therefore
           though
           
             God
          
           commanded
           the
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           built
           upon
           
             Mountaines
          
           and
           
             Hills
          
           to
           be
           demolished
           ,
           yet
           he
           did
           not
           require
           the
           
             Mountaines
          
           and
           
             Hills
          
           to
           be
           pulled
           down
           ,
           they
           were
           of
           
             Gods
          
           making
           ,
           as
           the
           earth
           :
           the
           
             Idols
             Temples
          
           were
           of
           mens
           
             framing
          
           and
           
             erecting
             ,
          
           And
           in
           this
           
             distinction
          
           about
           
             propriety
          
           the
           
             Parliament
          
           bears
           more
           out
           in
           their
           declaration
           ,
           where
           they
           reason
           concerning
           the
           
             Propriety
          
           of
           the
           
             King
          
           &
           of
           the
           people
           .
           Moreover
           
             Lands
          
           are
           the
           
             Propriety
          
           of
           
             Posterity
          
           even
           of
           the
           
             after-Generations
          
           which
           cannot
           
             properly
             be
             given
             to
             Idols
          
           as
           
             Temples
          
           that
           are
           of
           their
           making
           ,
           no
           more
           then
           the
           
             Sun
          
           and
           
             Moone
             ,
          
           which
           were
           worshipped
           ,
           and
           
             are
             common
             to
             all
             ;
          
           for
           
             God
             causeth
             the
             Sun
             to
             shine
             upon
             the
             evill
             and
             upon
             the
             good
             ,
             and
             upon
             the
             just
             and
             unjust
             .
          
           And
           concerning
           
             houses
             ,
             The
             Lord
          
           did
           command
           in
           
             Israel
             ,
          
           that
           the
           
             high
             places
             should
             be
             pull'd
             down
             ,
          
           when
           he
           allowed
           the
           
             dwelling
             houses
             to
             stand
             ,
          
           except
           some
           house
           ,
           
             upon
             whose
             roofes
             they
             burned
             incense
             to
             other
             Gods
             .
          
        
         
           6.
           
           Concerning
           
             Christs
          
           speeches
           to
           the
           
             woman
          
           of
           
             Samaria
             ,
          
           nothing
           can
           be
           gathered
           thence
           for
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           true
           it
           is
           that
           it
           sheweth
           that
           a
           time
           should
           come
           ,
           when
           the
           people
           should
           not
           be
           limitted
           to
           this
           place
           or
           to
           that
           ,
           and
           this
           makes
           against
           those
           who
           limit
           men
           to
           places
           ,
           and
           also
           against
           those
           that
           uphold
           such
           
             limitted
             places
             ,
          
           by
           worshipping
           in
           them
           .
           But
           that
           
             Christ
          
           alloweth
           
           men
           to
           worship
           in
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           and
           declareth
           them
           to
           be
           no
           more
           polluted
           ,
           then
           any
           other
           place
           (
           which
           you
           affirm
           )
           cannot
           be
           gathered
           ,
           neither
           by
           the
           express
           words
           of
           
             Christ
             ,
          
           nor
           necessary
           consequence
           ;
           for
           the
           matter
           in
           question
           between
           
             Christ
          
           and
           the
           
             woman
          
           was
           ,
           which
           was
           the
           place
           of
           
             worship
             ,
          
           not
           about
           the
           
             places
          
           of
           
             worship
             ,
          
           but
           the
           place
           of
           worship
           ,
           whether
           it
           was
           at
           that
           
             Mountain
             ,
          
           or
           at
           
             Jerusalem
             .
             Our
             Fathers
          
           (
           saith
           he
           )
           
             worshipped
             in
             this
             Mountain
             ,
             and
             ye
             say
             that
             in
             Jerusalem
             is
             the
             place
             of
             worship
             .
          
           He
           doth
           not
           say
           [
           a
           ]
           place
           ,
           but
           [
           the
           ]
           place
           ,
           whereby
           it
           appeareth
           that
           her
           question
           was
           about
           [
           the
           ]
           place
           ,
           where
           men
           ought
           to
           worship
           ;
           whether
           it
           was
           at
           that
           Mountain
           ,
           or
           at
           
             Jerusalem
             ,
          
           for
           then
           God
           bound
           his
           publick
           worship
           to
           one
           place
           .
        
         
           
             Now
             Jesus
             said
             unto
             her
             ,
          
           Woman
           ,
           believe
           me
           the
           houre
           cometh
           when
           ye
           shall
           neither
           in
           this
           Mountain
           ,
           nor
           yet
           at
           Jerusalem
           worship
           the
           Father
           .
           
             Now
          
           Christ
           
             by
             this
             speech
             doth
             not
             allow
             them
             to
             worship
             in
          
           Idols
           Temples
           
             though
             in
             a
             sence
             ,
             all
             places
             are
             free
             to
             do
             it
             ,
             all
             places
             of
          
           Gods
           Creation
           ;
           
             but
             places
             of
             mens
          
           limitation
           ,
           erection
           ,
           
             and
          
           dedication
           
             to
          
           Idols
           ,
           
             ought
             to
             be
             pulled
             down
             ;
             and
             this
             by
             way
             of
             application
             ,
             may
             appeare
             in
             the
             22.
             and
             23.
             verses
             of
             the
             same
             Chapter
             ,
             where
             Christ
             dealeth
             plainly
             with
             her
             saying
             ,
          
           Ye
           worship
           ye
           know
           not
           what
           ,
           we
           know
           what
           we
           worship
           ,
           for
           salvation
           is
           of
           
             Jewes
             :
          
           but
           the
           houre
           cometh
           and
           now
           is
           ,
           when
           the
           true
           worshippers
           shall
           worship
           the
           Father
           in
           spirit
           and
           in
           truth
           ;
           for
           the
           Father
           seeketh
           such
           to
           worship
           him
           :
           
             As
             if
             he
             should
             say
             ,
             think
             not
             that
             though
             the
          
           time
           
             be
             ,
             that
          
           the
           true
           worshippers
           shall
           not
           be
           limitted
           to
           worship
           in
           a
           place
           ,
           
             that
             therefore
             this
             is
             any
             justification
             of
             you
          
           Samaritans
           
             who
             worship
             in
          
           Idols
           Temples
           ,
           
             and
          
           worship
           Idols
           .
           Ye
           worship
           you
           know
           not
           what
           :
           we
           know
           
             (
             saith
             he
             )
          
           what
           we
           worship
           ,
           
             and
             alleageth
             this
             reason
             ,
          
           for
           salvation
           is
           of
           the
           
             Jewes
             ;
             intimating
             ,
             that
          
           salvation
           
             was
             not
             of
             the
          
           Samaritans
           ,
           who
           worshipped
           Idols
           ,
           
             and
             in
          
           Idols
           Temples
           ;
           
             so
             that
             if
             they
             would
             have
          
           salvation
           ,
           
             they
             must
             turn
             from
             such
          
           vanities
           :
           
             Therefore
             he
             would
             have
             them
             to
          
           worship
           the
           Father
           in
           spirit
           and
           truth
           .
           
             Now
             the
          
           spirit
           
             and
          
           truth
           
             are
             distinct
             ,
             though
             all
             one
             in
          
           purity
           .
           
             The
          
           spirit
           
             is
             the
          
           spirit
           
             of
          
           God
           ,
           
             and
             the
          
           truth
           
             is
             the
          
           word
           
             of
          
           God
           ,
           
             as
             it
             is
             written
             ,
          
           Thy
           word
           is
           truth
           ,
           
             now
             the
          
           word
           of
           truth
           
             doth
             speak
             against
          
           Idols
           Temples
           ,
           
             and
             therefore
             ,
             we
             are
             not
             to
             worship
          
           God
           
             in
          
           Idols
           Temples
           ,
           but
           in
           spirit
           and
           truth
           :
           
             The
          
           spirit
           of
           God
           is
           a
           pure
           
           spirit
           ,
           
             but
          
           Idols
           
             and
          
           Idols
           Temples
           ,
           
             are
          
           unclean
           
             and
          
           diabolicall
           ,
           
             and
             contrary
             to
             the
             nature
             of
             the
          
           spirit
           ,
           the
           Father
           seeketh
           such
           to
           worship
           him
           ,
           that
           worship
           him
           in
           spirit
           and
           truth
           :
           
             and
             therefore
             if
             you
             would
             be
             found
             of
             him
             ,
             worship
             not
             in
          
           Idols
           Temples
           ,
           
             but
             in
          
           spirit
           and
           truth
           .
           
             And
             by
             all
             this
          
           Scripture
           ,
           
             here
             is
             not
             the
             least
             colour
             for
             ;
             but
             rather
             against
          
           Idols
           Temples
           .
           Christ
           never
           shed
           his
           blood
           to
           uphold
           and
           purge
           Idols
           Temples
           ,
           from
           their
           diabolicall
           uncleannesse
           ,
           
             which
          
           uncleanness
           proceeded
           not
           from
           any
           institution
           of
           God
           ,
           
             but
             from
             the
          
           Devill
           .
        
         
           And
           whereas
           it
           is
           said
           ,
           that
           the
           reason
           why
           
             Idols
             Temples
          
           were
           prohibited
           under
           the
           
             Law
             ,
          
           was
           
             because
             God
             had
             branded
             them
             then
             .
          
        
         
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           answered
           ,
           That
           they
           made
           them
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           God
           
             branded
             them
             ,
          
           and
           to
           this
           day
           ,
           that
           
             brand
          
           is
           not
           taken
           off
           them
           ,
           but
           remaineth
           still
           upon
           them
           :
           The
           blood
           of
           
             Christ
          
           hath
           not
           cleansed
           them
           ,
           the
           brand
           is
           still
           upon
           them
           ,
           as
           well
           as
           upon
           the
           
             Idols
             themselves
          
           to
           this
           day
           :
           Therefore
           as
           the
           
             Saints
          
           are
           to
           keep
           themselves
           from
           Idols
           ,
           so
           are
           they
           to
           keep
           themselves
           from
           worshipping
           in
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           because
           the
           
             brand
          
           is
           upon
           them
           .
        
         
           Neither
           do
           we
           say
           that
           a
           
             place
          
           is
           an
           
             Idols
             Temple
             ,
          
           because
           
             Idolatry
          
           is
           committed
           there
           ,
           as
           if
           a
           
             Papist
          
           should
           
             crosse
             himself
             ,
          
           and
           fall
           down
           and
           worship
           in
           his
           
             Idolatrous
             manner
             ,
          
           in
           this
           or
           in
           another
           mans
           
             house
             ,
          
           this
           doth
           not
           make
           it
           an
           
             Idols
             Temple
             ;
          
           but
           if
           he
           
             build
          
           and
           
             dedicate
             ,
          
           and
           
             consecrate
          
           a
           place
           
             of
             his
             own
             proper
             goods
             ,
          
           to
           an
           
             Idole
             :
          
           this
           is
           now
           an
           
             Idolatrous
             place
             ,
          
           and
           
             God
          
           in
           the
           time
           of
           the
           
             Law
          
           commanded
           
             Israel
          
           to
           pluck
           down
           all
           the
           
             Idolatrous
             high
             places
             ,
          
           but
           not
           all
           the
           houses
           ,
           therefore
           the
           houses
           may
           stand
           ,
           when
           
             the
             high
             places
             are
             quite
             pluckt
             down
             .
          
        
         
           Then
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
          
           returned
           to
           his
           former
           sence
           ,
           of
           that
           place
           in
           the
           4.
           of
           
             John
             ,
          
           but
           it
           was
           denied
           that
           
             Jesus
             Christ
             ,
          
           doth
           in
           the
           least
           allow
           or
           countenance
           the
           woman
           of
           
             Samaria
             ,
          
           or
           any
           
             Samaritan
          
           or
           any
           
             Idolater
          
           else
           ,
           or
           any
           man
           whatever
           ,
           to
           worship
           in
           
             Idols
             Temples
             .
          
           Then
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
          
           to
           back
           it
           ,
           returned
           to
           the
           first
           Scripture
           in
           1
           
             Tim.
          
           2.
           10.
           concerning
           the
           word
           
             (
             every where
             )
          
           but
           it
           was
           told
           him
           ,
           that
           that
           was
           restrained
           by
           God
           himself
           ,
           and
           that
           by
           every where
           is
           meant
           ,
           all
           places
           of
           
             Gods
             Creation
             ,
          
           but
           not
           of
           
             Mans
             limitation
             and
             dedication
          
           to
           an
           
             Idol
             ,
          
           and
           therefore
           not
           the
           
             Temple
          
           of
           
             Samaria
             ,
          
           as
           he
           alleaged
           ,
           from
           
             John
          
           4.
           which
           
           saith
           ,
           
             The
             houre
             cometh
             ;
             when
             ye
             shall
             neither
             at
             this
             Mountain
             ,
             nor
             yet
             at
             Jerusalem
             worship
             the
             Father
             .
          
        
         
           Then
           said
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
             ,
          
           it
           is
           very
           clear
           from
           
             Iohn
          
           4.
           
           Christs
           speech
           to
           the
           woman
           of
           
             Samaria
             ,
          
           that
           he
           came
           to
           loose
           the
           bands
           wherewith
           men
           were
           bound
           ,
           to
           come
           to
           worship
           at
           the
           
             Temple
          
           of
           
             Jerusalem
             ,
          
           and
           in
           saying
           ,
           neither
           at
           this
           
             Mountain
             ,
          
           nor
           yet
           at
           
             Jerusalem
             ,
          
           he
           doth
           not
           justifie
           the
           worship
           in
           the
           one
           place
           more
           then
           the
           other
           .
        
         
           And
           if
           by
           
             spirit
          
           you
           meane
           the
           
             directions
             of
             the
             spirit
             ,
          
           its
           true
           ;
           and
           by
           
             the
             spirit
          
           may
           be
           meant
           
             the
             spirit
             of
             a
             man
             ,
          
           as
           
             Paul
          
           saith
           ,
           whom
           I
           serve
           in
           my
           
             spirit
             .
          
        
         
           To
           which
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           answered
           .
           That
           
             Christ
          
           came
           to
           loose
           the
           
             bands
          
           which
           tyed
           men
           to
           the
           
             Temple
          
           of
           
             Jerusalem
             ,
          
           is
           true
           ;
           but
           it
           followeth
           not
           therefore
           ,
           that
           he
           hath
           left
           us
           free
           to
           worship
           in
           
             Idols
             Temples
             :
          
           he
           justified
           the
           worship
           in
           his
           own
           
             Temple
             ;
          
           but
           not
           in
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ;
          
           neither
           doth
           the
           saying
           of
           
             Christ
          
           import
           any
           such
           thing
           ;
           
             Christ
          
           saith
           afterwards
           to
           the
           
             woman
             ,
             ye
             worship
             ye
             know
             not
             what
             ,
          
           as
           if
           he
           should
           say
           ,
           do
           not
           think
           that
           I
           do
           in
           the
           least
           justifie
           your
           practises
           ,
           
             or
             your
             abominable
             Idols
             ,
          
           or
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           because
           I
           have
           said
           ,
           
             neither
             at
             this
             Mountain
             ,
             nor
             at
             Jerusalem
             shall
             ye
             worship
             the
             Father
             ;
          
           but
           I
           would
           have
           you
           know
           ,
           
             that
             ye
             Samaritans
             worship
             ye
             know
             not
             what
             ,
             we
          
           [
           Jewes
           ]
           
             know
             what
             we
             worship
             ,
             for
             salvation
             is
             not
             of
             you
          
           Samaritans
           ,
           
             but
             of
             the
          
           Jewes
           ,
           
             and
             Christ
          
           sheweth
           that
           
             the
             Father
             must
             be
             worshipped
             in
             spirit
             and
             truth
             :
          
           now
           there
           is
           not
           the
           least
           word
           of
           
             truth
          
           to
           justifie
           worshipping
           in
           the
           
             Idols
             Temples
             .
          
        
         
           And
           concerning
           the
           Allegations
           ,
           that
           by
           the
           
             spirit
          
           is
           to
           be
           understood
           the
           
             directions
             thereof
             ,
          
           and
           is
           meant
           of
           
             a
             Mans
             spirit
             ,
          
           and
           the
           
             truth
             therein
             ,
          
           as
           
             Paul
          
           said
           ,
           
             God
             whom
          
           I
           
             serve
             in
             my
             spirit
             .
          
        
         
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
          
           answered
           ,
           I
           grant
           that
           we
           are
           to
           serve
           
             God
          
           by
           the
           directions
           of
           his
           
             spirit
             ,
          
           and
           that
           is
           by
           his
           
             holy
             word
             ,
          
           which
           directeth
           us
           not
           to
           worship
           in
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           but
           sheweth
           that
           they
           are
           sin
           ,
           and
           to
           be
           quite
           pulled
           down
           :
           And
           though
           
             Paul
          
           saith
           ,
           he
           served
           
             God
          
           in
           his
           
             spirit
             ,
          
           it
           may
           be
           taken
           ,
           that
           he
           served
           
             God
             who
             was
             in
             his
             spirit
             ,
          
           for
           
             God
          
           is
           said
           to
           
             dwell
             in
             the
             Saints
             by
             his
             spirit
             ,
          
           and
           the
           Saints
           are
           exhorted
           
             to
             pray
             in
             the
             Holy
             Ghost
             which
             is
             the
             spirit
             of
             God
             ,
          
           who
           directeth
           us
           by
           his
           word
           of
           truth
           ,
           to
           which
           we
           are
           left
           for
           direction
           ,
           which
           doth
           not
           allow
           any
           to
           worship
           him
           in
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           and
           therefore
           this
           place
           in
           
             John
          
           
           4.
           22.
           23.
           by
           application
           maketh
           against
           them
           .
           That
           Scripture
           saith
           Mr.
           
             Goodwin
             ,
          
           doth
           not
           include
           by
           
             truth
          
           the
           
             circumstance
          
           of
           
             place
             .
          
        
         
           But
           it
           doth
           (
           said
           Mr.
           
             Chidley
             )
          
           for
           
             the
             word
             is
             truth
             ,
          
           which
           witnesseth
           against
           the
           
             Idols
             Temples
             ,
          
           and
           layeth
           that
           
             brand
          
           upon
           them
           ,
           which
           the
           
             blood
          
           of
           
             Christ
          
           taketh
           not
           off
           .
        
         
           
             And
             whereas
             it
             is
             called
             a
          
           Circumstance
           ,
           
             it
             is
             more
             ,
             it
             s
             a
          
           material
           substance
           ;
           
             seeing
          
           Gods
           Commands
           
             are
             so
             directly
             against
          
           Idols
           Temples
           ,
           
             I
             cannot
             believe
             (
             said
             Mr.
          
           Goodwin
           )
           
             that
          
           stones
           
             are
             capable
             of
          
           pollution
           ,
           there
           's
           no
           place
           holy
           now
           ;
           
             and
             therefore
             there
             is
             no
          
           place
           unholy
           
             or
          
           polluted
           ,
           
             but
          
           as
           all
           Creatures
           are
           cleane
           ,
           so
           are
           all
           places
           .
        
         
           
             Mr.
          
           Chidley
           
             replyed
             ,
          
           why
           may
           not
           stones
           be
           capable
           of
           pollution
           ,
           as
           well
           as
           a
           peece
           of
           bread
           ?
           which
           bread
           and
           wine
           consecrated
           by
           an
           Idolatrous
           Priest
           ,
           is
           the
           Table
           of
           Devils
           ;
           and
           the
           Cup
           ,
           the
           Cup
           of
           Devils
           :
           as
           contrariwise
           the
           bread
           and
           wine
           given
           in
           the
           Lords
           Supper
           ,
           is
           the
           Table
           and
           Cup
           of
           the
           Lord
           .
           
             And
             I
             desire
             you
             Sir
             ,
             to
             take
             what
             hath
             been
             spoken
             into
             consideration
             ,
             &
             before
             you
             depart
             ,
          
           
             *
          
           
             take
             along
             with
             you
             this
             distinction
             which
             I
             once
             proposed
             to
             divers
             honest
             men
             ,
             Mr.
          
           Burroughs
           ;
           
             Mr.
          
           Burton
           ,
           
             M.
          
           Sal●marsh
           ,
           
             M.
          
           Knowles
           ,
           
             and
             Dr.
          
           Holmes
           ,
           
             and
             divers
             others
             ;
             for
             in
             pleading
             about
             the
          
           high
           places
           ,
           
             they
             all
             unanimously
             concurr'd
             ,
             that
          
           now
           in
           the
           time
           of
           the
           Gospel
           ,
           there
           is
           nothing
           holy
           nor
           unholy
           ;
           and
           this
           they
           said
           was
           Gospel-liberty
           ,
           &
           that
           to
           affirm
           contrary
           to
           this
           ,
           was
           a
           taking
           away
           of
           the
           liberty
           of
           the
           Gospel
           .
           
             And
             they
             were
             so
             enamoured
             with
             this
             point
             ,
             that
             they
             repeated
             it
             divers
             times
             ,
             which
             when
             I
             heard
             ,
             I
             stood
             up
             and
             said
             ,
             whereas
             it
             hath
             bin
             concluded
             ,
             that
             there
             is
             nothing
             holy
             nor
             unholy
             ,
             and
             that
             to
             affirm
             there
             is
             ,
             is
             to
             takeaway
             the
             liberty
             of
             the
             Gospel
             ;
             I
             say
             ,
             that
          
           now
           in
           the
           time
           of
           the
           Gospel
           ,
           some
           things
           are
           holy
           ,
           even
           the
           bread
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           and
           the
           Cup
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           other
           things
           are
           unholy
           ,
           even
           the
           table
           &
           cup
           of
           Devils
           ;
           &
           other
           things
           are
           meerly
           common
           ;
           
             &
             this
          
           Divinity
           
             I
             learned
             of
             the
          
           Apostle
           Paul
           ,
           
             who
          
           was
           not
           inferiour
           to
           the
           chiefest
           Apostles
           ,
           
             who
             when
             he
             speaketh
             to
             the
          
           Corinthians
           ,
           
             calleth
             the
          
           bread
           
             and
          
           wine
           
             in
             the
          
           Lords
           Supper
           ,
           the
           Table
           and
           Cup
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           which
           none
           were
           to
           eat
           and
           drink
           but
           holy
           persons
           .
           
             That
          
           meat
           
             and
          
           drink
           
             which
             was
             in
             the
          
           Idols
           Temples
           ,
           
             he
             calleth
             it
             the
          
           Table
           
             and
          
           Cup
           of
           Devills
           ,
           
             and
             there
             is
             that
             which
             is
             meerely
          
           naturall
           
             and
          
           common
           ,
           
             which
             words
             of
             
             mine
             they
             took
             into
             consideration
             ,
             and
             I
             think
             Mr.
          
           Burroughs
           
             had
             more
             sight
             in
             it
             ,
             then
             any
             of
             them
             all
             ;
             and
             so
             likewise
             ,
             I
             desire
             you
             ,
             to
             take
             these
             things
             into
             consideration
             .
             And
             whereas
             it
             is
             objected
             ,
             that
          
           because
           there
           is
           no
           place
           holy
           now
           ,
           
             that
             therefore
             there
             is
          
           no
           place
           unholy
           .
           
             Sir
             ,
             it
             will
             not
             follow
             ,
             that
             because
             there
             is
             no
          
           material
           place
           ,
           
             which
             is
             the
          
           Temple
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           
             as
             the
          
           Temple
           
             of
          
           Jerusalem
           
             in
             former
             time
             ,
             that
             therefore
             there
             is
             no
          
           Idols
           Temple
           ,
           
             or
          
           Temple
           
             of
          
           Devills
           ;
           
             for
             then
             by
             that
             account
             ,
             because
             there
             is
             no
          
           flesh
           
             of
          
           Beasts
           
             now
             to
             be
             offered
             ,
             according
             to
             the
             saying
             ,
             Sacrifice
             and
             offering
             thou
             wouldest
             not
             ,
             therefore
             the
             flesh
             in
             the
          
           Idols
           Temple
           
             is
             not
             uncleane
             ;
             but
             the
          
           Apostle
           
             calleth
             it
          
           The
           Table
           of
           Devills
           ,
           
             as
             really
             as
             he
             calleth
             the
          
           holy
           bread
           and
           wine
           ,
           the
           Table
           and
           Cup
           of
           the
           Lord
           :
           
             Therefore
             as
          
           Sacrifices
           of
           Beasts
           ,
           are
           not
           now
           holy
           ,
           
             yet
             the
          
           meat
           sacrificed
           to
           Idols
           ,
           is
           the
           Table
           of
           Devills
           ;
           
             so
             though
          
           there
           is
           no
           Temple
           holy
           now
           ,
           
             yet
          
           the
           Temples
           dedicated
           to
           Idols
           ,
           are
           the
           Temples
           of
           Idols
           ,
           the
           Temples
           of
           Devills
           .
        
         
           I
           do
           believe
           Sir
           ,
           that
           
             there
             is
             nothing
             unclean
             of
             itself
             ,
          
           nor
           holy
           of
           it self
           ,
           but
           
             institution
          
           whether
           
             divine
          
           or
           
             diabolicall
             ,
          
           maketh
           the
           same
           otherwise
           then
           it
           was
           before
           ,
           
             though
             it
             is
             in
             a
             manner
             common
             ,
             as
             David
             said
             of
             the
             shew-bread
             ,
          
           and
           so
           it
           hath
           been
           under
           the
           
             Law
             ,
          
           and
           so
           it
           is
           under
           the
           
             Gospel
             .
          
        
         
           FINIS
           .
        
         
      
    
     
       
         Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
         
           Notes for div A29739e-1870
           
             Mr.
             John
             Goodwin
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Chidley
             applying
             his
             Speech
             to
             the
             People
             present
             .
          
           
             †
             The
             Originall
             hath
             it
             
               Tachas
            
             Skins
             ,
             whether
             there
             be
             a
             defect
             in
             the
             common
             
               Translation
               ,
            
             its
             questionable
             ,
             and
             it
             seemeth
             somwhat
             doubtfull
             .
             But
             that
             
               Idols
               Temples
            
             are
             hated
             by
             
               God
            
             is
             out
             of
             doubt
             .
          
           
             *
             Mr.
             Goodwin
             was
             about
             to
             depart
             now
             .