A grave and learned speech or an apology delivered by Denzill Hollis Esq; in a full answer to the charge against him, from His Excellency Sir Thomas Fairfax and the army: for the clearing of himselfe in every particular crime charged against him in the papers. Holles, Denzil Holles, Baron, 1599-1680. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A86468 of text R201716 in the English Short Title Catalog (Thomason E399_14). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. The annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). Textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. 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A86468) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 114366) Images scanned from microfilm: (Thomason Tracts ; 63:E399[14]) A grave and learned speech or an apology delivered by Denzill Hollis Esq; in a full answer to the charge against him, from His Excellency Sir Thomas Fairfax and the army: for the clearing of himselfe in every particular crime charged against him in the papers. Holles, Denzil Holles, Baron, 1599-1680. [2], 6 p. s.n.], [London : Printed in the yeare. 1647. Place of publication from Wing. Annotation on Thomason copy: "July 20th". Reproduction of the original in the British Library. eng Holles, Denzil Holles, -- Baron, 1599-1680. England and Wales. -- Parliament -- Expulsions -- Early works to 1800. Impeachments -- England -- Early works to 1800. Great Britain -- History -- Civil War, 1642-1649 -- Early works to 1800. A86468 R201716 (Thomason E399_14). civilwar no A grave and learned speech or an apology delivered by Denzill Hollis Esq;: in a full answer to the charge against him, from His Excellency Holles, Denzil Holles, Baron 1647 2099 2 0 0 0 0 0 10 C The rate of 10 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-03 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2007-03 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-04 Mona Logarbo Sampled and proofread 2007-04 Mona Logarbo Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A grave and learned SPEECH Or an APOLOGY delivered by Denzill Hollis Esq In a full Answer to the Charge against him , from His Excellency Sir THOMAS FAIRFAX and the Army : For the clearing of himselfe in every particular Crime charged against him in the Papers . Printed in the yeare . 1647. A grave and learned Speech , or an Apology delivered by Denzill Holles Esq &c. Mr. Speaker : IT is my unhappinesse to stand accused by a Charge against me , in which I doubt not ( and so the rest of the Gentlemen under this mis-fortune with me ) to give a satisfactory accompt of innocency therein : And for that which concerns my self , I shall give this Answer to it : I cannot undertake to charge my memory ( at this time ) to give particular and positive answers to those passages at Oxford , which received a full debate in the House of Commons two yeares since ; I doe not finde any new matter in this Charge , save what I have ( together with Mr. _____ who was a Commissioner with me there ) then gave accompt of , when we were accused by the Lord Savill ; And this House was so fully satisfied ( after a full debate held severall daies thereon , that it was Resolved upon the Question , July 21. 1645. ( by this House ) That the matter of the report should be totally and finally laid aside . And for the truth hereof , to manifest my innocency , and discover the malice of the Lord Savill , who was then my Accuser , I shall refer my selfe to the Papers which concerne my then Examinations , and the resolutions of the House thereon . And thus much I am informed since concerning his Lordship , that he hath been much troubled at what he then did ; and ( to testifie his remorse for the injury he then did unto Master _____ and my selfe ) his Lordship sent a person of Honour , not long since , to me , to give me assurance thereof , further declaring from him , That when his Composition was made with the Parliament , and was passed by both Houses , he would then discover unto me how that whole businesse was laid against me , and who they were that laid it ; which when I knew , I should see I had no cause to be so angry with him , and therefore I was desired by a Peere of the Re●lme , ( who came from him not to be against him in setting the fine for his composition ; telling me that his Lordship durst not discover it before , but when his Composition was passed , he would let me know the particulars , the le●st inckling whereof ( to come from him to their knowledge , in whom he was in danger ) might prove his ruine . Yet I can assure you ( to speak it without vanity ) I ( knowing my own innocency ) passed by it , never so much as sending to the Lord Savill about it , nor doing his Lordship any dis-service for his former malice against me . And as for the Letter sent from the Earl of Lindsey to me , containing ( as I am charged ) some secret designe . It is true , I received a Paper from him , after which it was my unhappinesse to fall sick , which made me to forget it for some time ; yet so soone as it came to my minde , I did acquaint the House with it ; the contents of it was ( in a line or two , very short ) a recommendation of the bearer , the Lord Savill : I had then the words fresh in my minde , and did then repeate them in the House , at which time the House was so far satisfied therein , that this House Resolved upon the Question , July 19. 1645. That the receiving of that note , in the manner as I did , was no holding of intelligence with the Enemy . And for the Paper it self , I do not know what became of it , or whether I burnt it , as perhaps I might . Now for that part of the Charge which chargeth me that the Earle of Lindsey moved for a passe to go to Oxford , and that the King should say , That I did him better service in the Parliament , then I could do there ; That was reported to this House from the Examinations of what the Lord Savill informed against me ; and , as I said then , so now , I know nothing of it , I am confident it is false ; the Earl of Lindsey , nor any body else , had never motion to any such desire from me , nor had I ever any such thoughts . As for what I am charged in the second Article , with sending severall Messages to the Earl of Dorset and the Lord Digby , or to joyne with any in drawing up Propositions , and sending them privately to His Majesty ; It is all false and untrue , in all and in every part of it . To that in the third Article : I must acknowledge that ( by the Lady Carlisles favour ) I have often waited upon her , both at her lodgings in Whitehall , and elsewhere , but never with any disaffested persons , to hold correspondency with the Queene , to put Conditions upon the Parliament , to bring in the King upon any termes , by our plotting against the Parliament , or to do any other thing in prosecution of such evill designes ; but only to shew that respect which is due to a Lady of such Honour . And I conceive it is well knowne to this House , that I have been alwayes so farre from having a great power upon the Treasure of this Kingdome , to maintaine the Queenes Party , assure her Pention , or undertake to doe more for the King then the Army would doe , That I have had as little to doe with money businesses as any ; I have not growne great by the ruines of others by these sad times , nor preferred my selfe nor friends to higher fortunes then otherwise we could have aspired unto . And that I should send unto the Queene , to advise her to send the Prince into Scotland , to come into this Kingdome in the head of an Army , or invite the Scots , or joyne with any other for inviting the Scots , or any other forreigne forces to enter this Kingdome , it is utterly false , and a meere invention of malice against me ; nor doe I know of any meanes used to cause or encourage any Officers or Souldiers to gather together tumultuously at Westminster , to affright and assault the Members of Parliament ; for my part I am clear of any such thing . And for obstructing of Petitions ( as I am charged in the first Article ) when Petitioners came to the Parliament for redresse of publike grievances ; I have onely delivered my opinion in this House , when seditious Petitions have been read ; and for Major Tuleday , and Nicholas Tew , they affronted the Committee , and Tew endeavoured to raise a Tumult in the Court of Requests , to the danger and disturbance of the Committee , who committed them both untill the next morning , which was approved by this House , yet ( upon my motion in his behalfe ) this House was pleased to bayle Major Tuleday , and shortly after Mr. Tew was discharged . As for that which is laid upon me in the eight Article , concerning the drawing up of the Declaration , it was done in this House , the House allowing it , and it passed both Houses , and therefore it seemes strange to me that any should question that which was made an Act of both Houses of Parliament ; I drew it up indeed ( though very unwilling to take that tax upon me ) as neare as I could according to the sence of the House , in obedience to a generall Call upon me for it , being exceedingly prest and urged to doe it , as you well know . And for the reliefe of Ireland , it was alwaies my indeavour to promote it , desiring that an intire Body might have gone out of the Army . It is true , some forces for Ireland were commanded back from Bromsgrove in Worcestershire to Reading , which was ordered by the Committee that they might receive their pay safe . The Officers then representing to the Committee the great necessities of the Souldiers , and that they did not know how to convey it into VVorcestershire in safety , in regard that it must passe through the quarters of the Army , who had expressed great displeasure to those forces which were drawne off for Ireland ; and the Committee was the rather induced to doe it , because they knew the monies which was sent to Oxford for disbanding a Regiment there quartered , was seized on , which feare caused the calling back of those to Reading , and not upon any designe whatsoever . And whereas by the 14. Article I am charged with those Gentlemen , to obstruct Articles against the Lord Inchiquen , and for calling back the Lord Lisle , that his command might be committed to the Lord Inchiquen , I was ( alwayes so farre from keeping off proceedings upon those Articles , that I furthered it all I could , and severall times moved it in the House , being very desirous to have all cleared concerning the Lord Inchiquen , whom I beleeve to be a man of honour and fidelity . And for that the Lord Lisles time of government in Ireland was expired ( which was but to continue one yeare in that Command ; ) the Parliament being pleased to dispose of the Affaires of Ireland in an other way ; I went in the severall debates thereon ( in the House ) according to my judgement and conscience , not respecting any particular Person , but the common good ; and for the writing of a Letter to put out all those who favoured Independants , I never knew of any such thing done . And whereas I am charged by my power and countenance to obstruct Justice in the cause between Alderman Langham and Captaine Limery , it is very untrue . I confesse , that my selfe , and Sir Philip Stapleton ( who is accused with me ) being one afternoone in the Court of Requests , we heard that the House of Lords were then to sit , we went to aske the occasion thereof , and meeting with the Earle of Rutland in the Lobby , his Lordship told us , That it was about a great Cause depending between Langham and Limery , and we had some discourse about it , but I did not understand that the merit of the Cause was at all in question , onely the entertaining of it upon an Appeale , concerning which I said , That it was my Opinion , that it was the common Justice of the Kingdome , and not to be denyed to any : This was all that passed between us , as some of Master Limeries Counsell then present ( who heard it spoken ) can testifie . And for the whole Charge delivered into this House against me from the Army , I have had a strict scruteny over my conscience , and have made enquiry upon every branch thereof into my past actions and intentions , and cannot finde that I have deserved such a returne from any who pretend to be friends to the Parliament , and peace of the Church and Kingdome . FINIS .