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A54129) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 34322) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 1921:11) A defence of a paper, entituled, Gospel-truths against the exceptions of the Bishop of Cork's testimony by W. Penn Penn, William, 1644-1718. Penn, William, 1644-1718. Gospel-truths. aut Wettenhall, Edward, 1636-1713. Testimony of the Bishop of Cork. aut The second edition. [8], 131, [5] p. printed by Tace Sowle], [London : Printed in the year, 1698. Includes "The testimony of the Bishop of Cork" with a caption title on p. 21; pagination and register are continuous. Place of publication and printer's name from Wing. With a final leaf of advertisement. "Gospel-truths held and briefly declared by the people called Quakers," was originally published in 1698. With a caption title, and signed on p. 5 by William Penn and 3 others. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. 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Quakers -- Early works to 1800. 2005-07 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-08 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-10 Elspeth Healey Sampled and proofread 2005-10 Elspeth Healey Text and markup reviewed and edited 2006-01 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A DEFENCE Of a PAPER , Entituled , GOSPEL-TRVTHS Against the EXCEPTIONS OF THE BISHOP of CORK'S Testimony . By W. Penn. The Second Edition . Printed in the Year , 1698. THE PREFACE . Reader , IT was the Wise Counsel of an Ancient and Great Prelate , of the Kingdom of Ireland , at a late Visit I made him there , to discourage Controversie , and endeavour to abate Strife among Christians : For , said he , Heaven is a Quiet Place ; there are no Quarrels there , and Religion is a Holy and Peaceable Thing , and Excites to Piety and Charity , and not to Genealogies , Strife and Debates . But the Bishop of Cork seems to be of another Mind , that could not pass by so Inoffensive a Paper as that Stiled Gospel-Truths ( given him by me in a Private Way , at a Friendly Visit upon his own Desire ) without his Publick Animadversions ; and those Exprest not with so much Justice and Charity as might have been expected from him to his Dissenting Neighbours . I am , I confess , very sorry my Christian Visits to the Bishop have met with no Better Returns than Controversie : But because that 's his , and not my fault , it shall be my Satisfaction . I did indeed , Perceiving him Conversant in our Writings , and his Character to be Moderation , casually Present him with one of those Papers ; but as the Nature of it is Far from Provocation , so my design in it was purely to Improve his Temper , and not to Excite his Contradiction . Nor was it Writ for an Exact and Compleat Account of our Belief , but Occasionally , to prevent the Prejudices that the Attempts of a Course and Scurrilous Pen at Dublin , just before , might provoke in some against us , as to the Points touched upon in the Gospel-Truths . And though we have been so Unhappy as to be therein Mistaken by the Bishop , yet it 's some Comfort to Us that our Christian Declaration hath had quite another Reception with the Generality of those to whose Hands it has come : And I heartily wish That hath not been the most prevailing Motive to his Undertaking . However , since he has been pleased to fault it both with Shortness and Error , which we thought Healing , at least Inoffensive , I esteem my self Answerable for it , and shall , with God's Assistance , Defend it against the Force of his Exceptions , and I hope with Clearness and Temper : For , though I may be plain , as he may expect , I desire to be neither Rude nor Bitter . I ask , Reader , but the Common Justice due to all Authors , especially in Controverted Points of Religion , to wit , Attention and Impartiality ; and then judge whether our Pacifick Paper deserved so Sharp a Censure , and the Manner of its being given him , so Publick a Return : Though I hope the Consequence will be Good. To Almighty God I leave the Success , and am in all Christian Obligation , Thy Assured Friend , W. Penn. Bristol , the 23d of the 7th Month , 1698. GOSPEL-TRUTHS Held and briefly Declared by the People called QUAKERS , for Satisfaction of Moderate Enquirers . SOBER READER , IF thou hadst rather we should be in the Right than in the Wrong , and if thou thinkest it but a Reasonable Thing that we should be Heard before we are Condemned , and that our Belief ought to be taken from our own Mouths , and not at theirs that have prejudged our Cause ; then we intreat thee to Read and Weigh the following Brief Account of those Things that are chiefly Received and Professed among us , the People called Quakers , according to the Testimony of the Scriptures of Truth , and the Illumination of the Holy Ghost , which are the Double and Agreeing Record of True Religion . Published to Inform the Moderate Enquirer , and Reclaim the Prejudic'd to a better Temper , which GOD grant , to his Glory , and their Peace . I. It is our Belief ; that GOD Is , and that He is a Rewarder of all them that fear Him , with Eternal Rewards of Happiness ; and that those that fear him not , shall be turned into Hell. Heb. 11. 6. Rev. 22. 12. Rom. 2. 5 , 6 , 7 , 8. Psal . 9. 17. II. That there are Three that bear Record in Heaven , the Father , the Word , and the Spirit , and these Three are really One. 1. John 5. 7. III. That the Word was made Flesh , and dwelt among Men , and was and is the only Begotten of the Father , full of Grace and Truth : His Beloved Son in whom he is well pleased , and whom we are to hear in all things ; who tasted Death for every Man , and Dyed for Sin , that we might Die to Sin , and by his Power and Spirit be raised up to Newness of Life here , and to Glory hereafter . John 1. 14. Matth. 3. 17. Heb. 2. 9. IV. That as we are only Justified from the Guilt of Sin by Christ the Propitiation , and not by Works of Righteousness that we have done , so there is an absolute Necessity that we receive and obey , to unfeigned Repentance and Amendment of Life , the holy Light and Spirit of Jesus Christ , in order to obtain that Remission and Justification from Sin : Since no Man can be Justified by Christ , who walks not after the Spirit but after the Flesh ; for whom he Sanctifies , them ●e also Justifies : And if we walk in the Light as he is Light , his precious Blood ●leanseth us from all Sin ; as well from the Pollution as Guilt of Sin , Rom. 3. 22. to 26. Chap. 8. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4. 1 John 5. 7. V. That Christ is die Great Light of the World , that lighteth every Man that cometh into the World , and is full of Grace and Truth , and giveth to all Light for Light , and Grace for Grace ; and by his Light and Grace he Inwardly Appears to Man , and teaches such as will be taught by him , That Denying Ungodliness and Worldly Lusts , they should live Soberly Righteously , and Godly , in this present World. John 8. 12. Chap. 1. 9 , ●14 . Tit. 2. 11 , 12. VI. That this Principle of Light and Grace , which is GOD's Gift , through Christ , to Man , is that which shews us our Sins , Reproves us for them , and would Lead all all out of them that obey it , to serve GOD , in Fear and Love , all their Days . And they that turn not at the Reproofs thereof , and will not Repent , and Live , and Walk according to it , shall die in their Sins , and where Christ is gone , they shall never come , who is Undefiled , and separated from Sinners . Ephes . 5. 13. John 16. 7. Prov. 1. 20. to 24. John 8. 24. VII . This is that Principle by which GOD prepares the Heart to worship him aright ; and all the Duties of Religion , as Praying , Praising and Preaching , ought to be performed through the sanctifying Power and Assistance of It ; other Worship being but Formal , and Will-Worship , with which we cannot , in Conscience , joyn , nor can we maintain or uphold It. Rom. 8. 26. 1 Pet. 4. 10 , 11. VIII . Worship in this Gospel-Day is Inward and Spiritual ; For GOD is a Spirit , as Christ teacheth and he will Now be worshiped in Spirit and Truth , being most suitable to his Divine Nature : wherefore we wait in our Assemblies to feel GOD's Spirit to open and move upon our Hearts , before we dare offer Sacrifice to the LORD , or Preach to others the way of his Kingdom , That we may Preach in Power as well as Words , and as GOD Promised , and Christ Ordained , Without Money , and without Price . John 4. 23 , 24. 1 Thess . 1. 5. Isa . 55. 1. Rev. 22. 17. Matt. 10. 8. IX . This also leads us to deny all the vain Customs and Fashions of the World , to avoid Excess in all things , that our Moderation may be seen of all Men , because the LORD is at hand , to see and judge us , according to our Deeds . Tit. 2. 12. Rom. 12. ● . Philip. 4. 5. Eccl. 12. 14. Mat. 16. 27. Rom. 2. 6. Rev. 20. 12. X. We believe the Necessity of the One Baptism of Christ , as well as of his One ●upper , which he promiseth to Eat with those that open the Door of their Hearts to him , being the Baptism and Supper signified by the Outward Signs ; which tho' we disuse , we judge not those that conscientiously practise them . Mat. 3. 11. Ephes . 4. 1. 1. Pet. 3. 21 , 22. John 6. Rev. 3. 20. XI . We Honour Government : For we believe it is an Ordinance of GOD , and that we ought in all things to submit , by Doing or Suffering : But esteem it a great Blessing where the Administration is a Terror to Evil Doers , and a Praise to them that Do Well . Rom. 13. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5. This hath all a long been the General Stream and Tendency both of our Ministry and Writings , as our Books will make appear , notwithstanding what Ill-minded and Prejudic'd Persons may have strained to Mis-represent Us and our Christian Profession . Dublin , the 14th of the 3d Month , 1698. William Penn. Thomas Story . Anthony Sharp . George Rooke . THE TESTIMONY OF THE BISHOP OF CORK As to a Paper Intituled , GOSPEL●TRUTHS , held , &c. by the PEOPLE called QUAKERS : And Delivered to Him by an eminent Member of them . Friends , I Am such a Reader as in your Paper you desire . I have read and soberly weighed the account you give of those things , which you say are chiefly Received and Professed amongst you . And I will exercise so much Moderation and Charity as to lay a great weight on that word [ chiefly ] hoping these are not the Only Things , or All that you Believe : I should have been heartily glad to have found that you had been in the Truth , as I am well assured I my self am ; But as I professed , when the Paper was given Me , That if I took it , you must expect I should bear my Testimony touching It or against It ; So I now must tell you , I think my self bound in Conscience to perform what I then professed ; and that upon more Reasons than I will now trouble the World with . You must not be offended if I say , You have such a way of Writing and Speaking , that it is very hard in many matters of Religion to know what you mean. But , as far as I understand you , I will candidly acknowledge what Truths you have sufficiently or tolerably exprest ; I will shew you , with meekness , how far your Faith , if this be your Faith , comes short of being sufficient or Christian ; and I will sincerely tell you , what I apprehend to be the cause of your Delusion , and how dangerous a condition I really fear , nay believe , you to be in . And first ; The only Articles , in which you have exprest a sufficient Christian Belief , are your IV. which is touching Justification ; and your last touching Government and your Submission thereto . I wish you may always stick to this Belief and Practice : And I heartily rejoyce to find you acknowledging the Necessity of Christ as a Propitiation , in order to Remission of Sins , and Justifying You , as Sinners , from Guilt . 'T is the first time I have heard of it amongst you . As to all the rest of your Articles , I mean those which I understand , I must tell you , the declaration of your Faith comes so short , of what is required from People to denominate them Christians , that except , under each Article you believe more than you have declar'd , you cannot be accounted Christians . For first ; in those Articles of Faith , which you have thought fit to mention , you have set down only some little Ends , I had almost called them Snaps , of the Article : And Secondly ; many more whole Articles , of the true Christian Faith , and which are of no less import , you have intirely omitted , waved or suppressed . You acknowledge in your I. Article , there is a God , and you own his Providence as to the other Life . But that He made Heaven and Earth , that He is the Almighty , and at present by his Sovereign Power , most wisely and holily , Governs , Orders , and Sustains all ( by his Mercies as well as Judgments , even in this World , not ●●aving Himself without witness ) you say not 〈◊〉 word . Creation in the beginning and Providence as to this World at present , are not here acknowledged by You. We hope you believe both . Your II. Article is wholly true ; for it is express Scripture , 1 John V. 7. But it is onely what the Apostle there had occasion to say , and what was to his purpose touching the Father , Son , and Holy Spirit ; far from being the sum of what the Holy Scripture , teaches of them ; and therefore i● not a sufficient Confession of Faith on that head . In your III. Article you acknowledge indeed the Son of God to have been made Flesh , but neither Conceived by the Holy Ghost , nor Born of the Virgin Mary : So that it does not appear , by this your Confession , but that He was at first an ordinary corrupt sinful Person : Nay you own Him not so much as Jesus or the Christ ; ( the great Saviour , who delivereth from the wrath which is to come ; or the Great Prophet , Priest , Lord and King of his Church : ) You acknowledged him indeed to have dyed for Sin , but ( not to mention the Articles inferible from , and relating to , the Circumstances of his death ) You have not one word of His Resurrection from the Dead or of His Ascension into Heaven : which i● may be proved some of you have expresly denyed , saying , He is not ascended into Heaven , He is in us . Nor again , of H●… sitting now at the right hand of the Majesty o● high . And so you seem not to own any thing of His Mediation , Intercession , or Appearing now in Heaven for us . Nor further have you said a word of his coming again to Judgment , or the End of the World. Thus indeed You have here neither own'd the Creation nor Dissolution of the World ; so that it does not appear , by this Account of your Faith , whether you do not judge it Eternal , and so otherwise Infinite . Yet again ; Not a word of One Church , which it may be feared you strike out of your Belief , because you are resolved never more to return into the Unity of the Church , but to make and maintain a Schism or Party for ever . Nor further have you a word of the Resurrection of the Body , which divers of you have been known to deny , and others of you only say . It may be so . And Lastly , Tho' you acknowledge Everlasting Rewards for them that fear GOD , yet nothing of the Everlasting Punishment of Wicked Men : You mention Hell indeed ( in a very unnatural place , viz. in your first Article of ●he Being of GOD ) but whether you mean thereby the Grave , as most commonly in ●cripture is meant ; or a place of Temporal Punishment after this Life , as some have ●one ; or a State of total Destruction and Annihilation , as many now a days do , no one knows . Upon the whole ; As to the Sum of the Christian Faith , which you have been pleased to set down , there is not any one Article of our common Twelve , that you have own'd intirely ; and Eight at least , if not more of them , that you have here totally suppressed or waved . And how influential to a holy Life , those which you have waved are , and therefore how necessary to Salvation , I must require and conjure you , on your own Eternal Account , to consider . I will only mind you of two passages out of the Scriptures of Truth : 1 Cor XV. 16 , 17. If the Dead rise not ( that is , if there be no Resurrection of the Flesh ) then is not Christ Raised . And if Christ is not raised , your Faith is vain , you are yet in your Sins , Hence it appears All other points of Faith are in vain , if this be not true . The other is Rom. X. 9. If thou shalt confess with thy Mouth the Lord Jesus , and shalt believe in thy Heart that GOD hath raised Him from the Dead , thou shalt be saved . This Article alone is of such force and influence on Mens●Hearts , that if believed as it should be , such belief will save Men. But both Christ's Resurrection and Our own , are by You in this Paper , left out of your Faith. I judge You not , but judge Your selves , lest you be condemned of the LORD . Your V , VI , and VII . Articles treat of what you call The Light of Christ within Man : This You have never been able yet , that I could find , to make out what You mean by . For You will not allow it to be either the Natural Rational Faculty , or common innate Notions , or Natural Conscience , or Conscience Illuminated , by the Preaching of the Gospel and the Operation of the Holy Ghost thereby : Till You can make us understand your meaning , or indeed till You understand it Your Selves , ( that is , till you are less confused in this , the very Fundamental Principle or Rule of what you profess ) You must not think of Declaring ( or Publishing ) an Account of your Faith : See you understand it first . There are some Men who have a Faculty to speak things seemingly profound , but in the End neither themselves nor others can make any distinct sense of what they have said . This we usually call Banter ; And I must acknowledge , as far as I can see , your Discourse of his Light within , is perfectly such . Take notice We in our Preaching require People to look within , as much as You do : We strictly charge all to walk according to the Convictions , and Light they have received . We daily appeal unto Conscience ; but then we teach , that Conscience ( opened by the Holy Spirit , under the Ministry of the Word , Acts XVI . 14. ) does and must take in its Light from Holy Scripture . The Commandment of the Lord is pure inlightning the Eyes , Ps . XIX . 8. [ viz. of the Mind , Ephes . I. 18. ] Thy Word is a Lamp to my Feet , and a Light to my Path. Ps . CXIX , 105. To the Law and to the Testimony ; If they [ even Men in their Consciences ] speak not according to this Word , it is because there is NO LIGHT in them . Isai . VIII . 20. Now these things are intelligible . This Rule is fixt and certain , nothing of which can be said of Your Light within . In Your VIII Article You tell us , Worship under the Gospel is Inward and Spiritual . If You mean hereby , that all Outward and Bodily Worship ought to be accompanied with an Inward and Spiritual Worship , it is what we daily Preach and Practice , and even in private press . But if , as it would seem , You mean all the Worship GOD now requires , is from the Inward Man , or from the Spirit , this is abominably false : For Our Bodies are GOD's handy-work ▪ and Christ's Purchase , as well as Our Souls ; on which reason , GOD by His Apostle commands , Glorifie ●OD in Your Body and in Your Spirit , [ 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ] which ( in the Plural Number that is , both which ) are GOD's . Not to tell You , that You your selve now a days perform somewhat of Bodily Worship . And indeed , if there be not a worship of the Body , as well as of the Spirit , there can be no Publick Worship . This Article therefore must also be mended , to make it Christian . In your IX Article , You tell us of you● Denying all the vain Customs and Fashions of the World , as also Excess in all things . I know no sort of Christians who teach otherwise ; I wish I could say I knew none ( even of your selves ) that practice otherwise . It is one part of the Catechism We teach our Children , to renounce all these . But there are many Innocent and laudable Customs which You call vain . Would it not almost make a Mans Stomach turn to hear one forbear , in point of Conscience , ●●ying [ You ] to a single Person , because it 〈◊〉 improper ; and at the same time , while ●e is speaking to his Superiour , because Thou doest ; sounds a little rudely , to soften the Thou , and say Thee doest , which is commonly Your Peoples Practice , and much more improper . Will You ever be able to prove , the Primitive Christians ●sed a Dialect or Dress different from others of their Nation and Qualities , and placed Religion in it ? Does not Christ require Saluting even those who salute not us ? And no doubt his , and his Apostles Salutations , were in the common form . In a word , There is more Vanity in Singularity and Affectation , than in moderate following a common innocent Phrase , Garb , or Custome . In your X Article you believe ( you say ) a Spiritual Baptism , and a Spiritual Supper and Communion ; but acknowledge you Disuse the Outwards Signs , by us commonly called Sacraments : Now did not Christ command Water-Baptism ? Go ye and Baptise all Nations , Matth. XXVIII . 19 , 20. The Baptism here commanded was Water-Baptism : For Baptising with the Spirit was GOD's work , not the Apostles ; and tho the Baptism of the Spirit commonly accompanied Baptism with Water , yet not always , as in the Case of Simon Magus , and many others . Yet , did not Christ promise to be with them ( Preaching to all Nations and Baptising ) to the End of the World Further , Did not the Apostles in Obedienc● to Christs Command , both constantly practice , and also require , Water-Baptism to all Initiated Christians ? Can any Man forbi● Water , that these should not be Baptised which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we ▪ And he [ Peter ] commanded they should b● Baptised : Acts X. 47 , 48. Then as to the Outward use of Bread and Wine for the Lord's Supper , can any Command be more Express than This do in Remembrance of Me ▪ Four times repeated in the New ( which you call the better ) Testament . To which St. Paul adds , It is a shewing forth the Lord● Death until He come , 1 Cor. XI . 26. Now if Christ and his Apostles have commanded this , who hath Authorised you to disuse it ? Remember what St. Paul tells the Corinthians , he received from the Lord that which on this Subject he delivered to them , 1 Cor. XI . 23. And 't is a severe Passage in another Epistle of his , Gal. I. 8. If we , or an Angel from Heaven , preach any other Gospel unto you , than that which we have preached unto you , let him be accursed . That which lays aside so much of the Old Gospel , and sets up a New and Variable Rule o● Faith , ( we know not what Light within ) is Another and New Gospel . To draw towards a Conclusion : I have written this short Paper in much and true Compassion to you ; It had been far easier to me to have said more , than thus to have confined my self : I look upon many of you as an harmless well-meaning People , but under strong Delusions . This your Deluded State proceeds from your making what you call The Light within you ( which is in many Cases nothing but your own Presumptive Perswasion or Fancy ) a Rule of Faith and Practice , Co-ordinate , if not Superiour and Antecedent to the Holy Scriptures : These words in your Paper [ Which are the Double and Agreeing Record of True Religion ] intimate at least thus much , That you will not believe what Scripture saith , except the Light within you dictate the same , and so make a Double Record . Now my Friends , do not flatter your selves , GOD is not mocked ; you must Answer at the Dreadful Day of Judgment , amongst other Points , to such as these ; and therefore Examine your Consciences before-hand . 1. Is it not your main End and Study , by pretended Mortifications , and Renouncing the World , ( while there are no sort of Men ▪ alive that more eagerly pursue it , nor have more effectual , wily , and secret ways o● getting Wealth than your selves ) Is it no ; I say , your main Aim and End to make your selves a Party considerable , and such , t● which , for Reasons of State , peculiar Priviledges must be Indulged ? 2. Are not , to this purpose , many of your Distinctive Characters , such as you Different Garb ( for it is plain not a few o● your Peoples ●loaths , as to materials , are more costly than many of ours ) your way of speaking , yea , even your Looks and Gestures , assumed rather to make your selves remarkable , and at first sight known from other People , than out of any Perswasion , Sense of Duty , or Conscience of Obligation . 3. What reasonable or tolerable Warrant can you plead for waving , suppressing , at least , not confessing , much the greater part of the Christian Faith , and Rejecting all Outward Positive Parts of Worship ( especially Baptism and the Lords Supper ) which have such plain and Repeated Evidences in Holy Scripture . Your Light within , ( or Sense and Perswasion which you say you have , and are sure is from Christ ) forasmuch as , in the present Cases , it dictateth against Holy Scripture can never be proved even to your selves , much less to others , to be from Christ : But must rather in all reason , be resolved to be one of the Heights or Depths of Satan , transforming himself into an Angel of Light. And for any Persons to yeild to such Conduct ( besides or against Holy Scripture ) is plainly to abandon themselves to the Delusions of the Devil . In a word therefore , I again require you , as you will answer all your Secret Arts and high Pretensions at Christ's Tribunal , that you either Embrace and Profess the intire Christian Faith , in the Points wherein I have shewn you to be defective ; and that you receive the Christian Seals or Badges , Baptism and the Lord's-Supper ; or else that you desist to lay claim to the Name of Christians . It is not for me to Judge you , but again I say unto you , ( truly from GOD , as His Minister ) Judge your selves . This is the Case . If Men who take away even from the Faith once deliver'd to the Saints , at least Two Thirds , besides many main Points of the other Third ; who Equal their own Presumptuous Conceits to the Divine Oracles , and Revelations ; who use and disuse at pleasure , what parts of GOD's Instituted Worship they think fit , even the very Badges of Christianity , ( I will not here Interpose your Making Gain your Godliness ) but if the aforesaid Men are in a Way of Perdition , what can you conclude of your selves ? In the Name of GOD Repent and Return : And from my Soul I pray , That GOD will please to give you Repentance . EDW. CORK and ROSS . Cork , July the 2d . 1698. A DEFENCE OF a PAPER , Entituled , GOSPEL-TRUTHS , &c. I Have given the Bishop's Exceptions together at Large , as he did our Paper , and shall now Consider their Validity . He is pleased to say at the beginning of his first Paragraph , he is such a Reader as in our Paper ●we desire : Words that gave me great hopes , of not only fair , but friendly dealing ; and I heartily wish it had been so : But since it seems to me the Reverse of his Promise , he must not take it ill from me , if I stop a while , and shew him a little to himself , and how much he is mistaken in his own Temper , as well as in our Principles . For tho' he begins with the Names of Moderation , Charity and Meekness , that 's all : He quickly Loses sight of them , and forgets them , with himself , almost all the way . And unless my Taste be Extreamly Depraved , there is little Relish of those Vertues in his Management , or a tolerable Temper shewn towards us , respecting either our Belief , or Practice . We desire such a Reader indeed as had rather we were in the Right , than in the Wrong ; One that did not Prejudge our Case , and would give us ( and not our Enemies ) the wording of our own Belief ; While the Bishop but too plainly shews , he would not have us in the Right , Even where he dares not say ( however freely he suggests it ) that we are in the Wrong . Which appears , First , by his Unnecessary Exceptions to such Truths , as we have Declared in our Paper ( and he cannot deny ) as imperfectly Exprest , because we have not said all that might be said , to Branch them out , or Illustrate them ; tho' enough to be understood by such as are not Captious . Secondly , by Suppositions Incongruous , and that can have no other Service than to Expose us , and that in a very ill Manner . Thirdly , by rendring us to Deny , what we don't Express in our Paper : Tho' indeed we Believe it . Fourthly , in not taking due notice of what is Implied , as well as Exprest . Which had been but Just . Fifthly , in making the worst of what is not concurrent with his Belief , and not the best where we believe the same thing . Sixthly , by Grosly Misrendering our Pretences to Strict Living . Lastly , by Condemning us upon Rumour . All which , is more than leaning to that side , that had rather we were in the Wrong , than in the Right ; and Consequently not such a Reader as we desired . That this is so , let it but be observed , how he Unchristians us in his third Paragraph ; tho' Immediately in a Contradiction , what he just before Acknowledges in his second . Nor will he allow us to be so much as Deists in his fourth , or at most but very Imperfect ones , because , we have not said all of God , that may be ascribed to him . In his sixth , he supposes us Capable of believing that Christ Came of Corrupt and Sinful Flesh , because we say no more in that Place , of the Manner of his Incarnation than the Evangelist doth , John 1. 14. Also , that we are Defective , at best , Ambiguous , about Eternal Rewards and Punishments . He makes us , in his seventh Paragraph , to Deny the Resurrection of the Dead , at large , and without Distinction , tho' we there Acknowledge a Future State , which implies it ; and have not said one word against it ; but upon all Occasions , in Print , or otherwise , have Exprest our Belief of that Branch of Christian Doctrine , according to Scripture . In his Tenth , he derides our Plain ( though Proper ) Language , of Thou to a single Person , though it is what he himself gives to God in his Prayers . In his Fourteenth , and Fifteenth , he is pleased to slight and render our Stricter Living , a Trick to promote a Party , and that our Garb , Looks and Gestures , are more to make ourselves Remarkable , than out of any Perswasion of Duty , or Conscience : As bad a Construction , as he could make . In his Sixteenth , he tells us , the Light within us , that we say , we have from Christ , is rather one of the Highths or Depths of Satan Transformed , and that we are Abandoned to his Delusions . So that We and most of our Principles too , are stark Naught with the Bishop . In his Eighteenth , and last Paragraph , he suggests , We take away two Thirds of the Christian Faith , besides many Points of the other Third ; and equal our Presumptuous Conceits , to the Divine Oracles , and Revelations , and use , and dis-use at pleasure , what part of God's Instituted Worship , we think fit ; Even the very Badges of Christianity . I will not , says the Bishop , interpose ( yet suggests it ) your making Gain your Godliness ; but if the Aforesaid Men , are in a way to Perdition , what can you Conclude of your selves ? In the Name of God Repent and Return : Thus the Bishop , upon a whole People , without any other Provocation , than has been Exprest . I hope , after this , He will not Expect , ( I am sure he ought not ) that any Body should think him such a Reader , as we desired for our Gospel-Truths , and which he promised us to be ; or that he has treated us with the Moderation , Charity , and Meekness , he made us hope for ; since none of our Adversaries have used us much worse , in so little a Compass . I heartily wish him a better sight of himself , as well as of us , that he may be less mistaken in both another time ; for I have a Respect for him , and desire not to be upon these Terms with him , any Longer , than he thinks fit to make it necessary . The rest of his first Paragraph is only a Strain of Fair and Pastoral Promises , forgotten by him , and not to be remembred any more , at this time , by me ; and therefore shall proceed to his Second . Only observe this one thing to my Reader , and the Bishop too , that he is pleased to place Moderation and Charity to our Account , because he does not take us by out wor● Chiefly to mean Only , or All in reference to the things , by us believed : Which , unde● favour , he could not do in Justice ; . an●● therefore he needs not bring us in Debt●● for that , which is our Due , since no Bod● ever took Chiefly , for Only , any more tha● an Eldest , for an Only Son , or an Arch , fo● an Only Bishop . Nor does Chiefly imply Al●● any more than Only ; for whether It regards things Humane , or Divine , It imports the Best Part of any thing , but n●● All : The most valuable , that which deserve● and commands our Regard and Estee●● in the first place . And I leave it with m●● Reader , whether Believing in God , an●● Christ , and the Holy Spirit ; and Believing the Scriptures , and the Necessity of Holiness , and Divine Worship , and finally of Eternal Rewards and Punishments , are no●● Points of Faith , Chiefly to be Received , and Professed by Christians ? And if they are such , the Bishop must have been , Super-finely Critical , upon our word Chiefly , as well as that he might have been a better Husband of his Moderation , and Charity , and have kept them for an Occasion where they might have been more needed , and Consequently better bestowed . His Second Paragraph allows us to have ●…iciently Exprest our Christian Belief in ●…o Articles , but with this Censure , that 〈…〉 leven , we are only Clear in these Two , 〈◊〉 Justification by Christ , And Submission to 〈◊〉 Civil Government , wishing we may always 〈◊〉 to this Belief , and Practice ; and adds , I ●●…tily Rejoyce to find you acknowledge the ●●…essity of Christ , as a Propitiation , in order to the Remission of Sins , and Justifying you , as Sinners , from Guilt . 'T is the first time I have heard of it among you . If so : It is the Bishops Fault , and seems to me , next to Impossible ; since before that Paper was given him , he was pleased to Acknowledge he had read several of our Books ; particularly , my Rise and Progress of the People called Quakers , taking it out of his Pocket at that time ; also Robert Barclay's Apology , which States , and Vindicates our Principles at large , in which the two Doctrines afore-mentioned , are very Clearly Declared , and Maintained ; notwithstanding he seems to make this look like a New Discovery . But however , I am pleased , that the Bishop is so , at two of the Gospel-Truths : I am of Opinion if he had well considered the Force and Comprehensiveness of our Belief concerning Christ , that pleases him so well , he might hav● saved himself the Trouble of what he h●● published to the World upon the rest 〈◊〉 them : For , whoever believes in Christ , 〈◊〉 a Propitiation , in order to Remission of Si●● and Justification of Sinners from the Guilt 〈◊〉 Sin , can hardly disbelieve any Fundament●● Article of the Christian Religion ; since , 〈◊〉 very such Person , must Necessarily belie●● in God , because it is with Him alone M●● is to be Justified . To be sure he must b●lieve in Christ , for that is the very Pro●●sition . He must also believe in the H●● Ghost , because , He is the Author , of 〈◊〉 Conviction , Repentance , and Belief . He mu●● believe Heaven , and Hell , Rewards , a●● Punishment , and Consequently the Resurr●●tion of the Just , and Unjust : For , wh●● should he be Concerned about being free●● from the Guilt of his Sin , if he were una●countable in another World ? So that Acknowledging the Necessity of Christ , as Propitiation , in order to the Remission ( 〈◊〉 Sin , comprehends the main Doctrine ( 〈◊〉 Christian Religion ; and as so many Line● drawn from the Circumference to the Center , they all meet and center in Christ : An● indeed it is as the Navel of Christianity , an● Characteristick of that Religion . 〈◊〉 would intreat Him again , to reflect well 〈◊〉 his own Acknowledgment , and Com●endation of our Belief , concerning the End 〈◊〉 Benefit of Christ , to Mankind ; and he 〈◊〉 not think us so deficient ; much less , un●● such strong and dangerous Delusions , as he 〈◊〉 been pleased to represent us . His Third Paragraph will not suffer us 〈◊〉 be Christians , notwithstanding what 〈◊〉 have said of our Belief in Christ , in our Paper called Gospel-Truths . In one sence I shall easily agree with him , for I think nothing makes any Man a True Christian , but Regeneration , the Power of the Son of God Revealed in the Soul , Converting 〈◊〉 to God : For the Devils Believe , and Tremble , too , and yet are Devils still ; they Believe what is True , but they do not Truly Believe in him that is True : They know and assent to the Propositions of Truth , or Articles of Faith , and knew Him to be Christ too , when He came of old , and called him by His Name , but this did not make True Christians Then of them : Nor yet does an Assent Now to all the Truths of the Gospel , Truly Qualifie Men Christians , unless they feel the Power of them , upon their Hearts . And I would have my Reader reflect well upon rhis Great ●nd Essential Truth , tho' he were as Big as a Bishop : For a new Creature is the B●siness ; an Orthodox Life , the Cross of Chri●● which is the Narrow way of Self-denial 〈◊〉 I must say , That whoever declares , he believes in Christ as his Sacrifice and Sanctif●●● which is to save both from the Guilt 〈◊〉 Pollution of Sin , is a Professor of Christian●●● and may reasonably be allowed to be●● Christian at large . And that what we ha●● declared , in our Third , Fourth , Fifth , a●● Sixth Gospel-Truth , comprehends the Be●● before-mentioned , my Just and Sober R●●der may satisfie himself in the peru●● thereof His Fourth Paragraph faults our first Article , as he is pleased to call it , with gre●● Shortness and Imperfection concerning our Belief of God ; for tho' he says we own his Pr●vidence as to the other Life , yet we say n●thing , as to the Creation of this present Work ▪ and Providence over it : But with the Bishop leave , He that believes in God , believes 〈◊〉 all that 's necessary to the Supreme Being 'T is what he , and all Christians , take fo● granted , and allow , as often as they hea● any one say , He believes in God. For no● to believe Him Omnipotent , Omnissie●t , and Omnipresent , is not to believe him to be●● God , being inseparable from the Divine● Nature . I must appeal to the Bishop , whe●●er a small Grain of Charity would not have excused us from his Reflection upon this Head. We have said more then Moses ●●d to Pharaoh : For besides that , I am , is ●o more then , He is ; We have added that He is , the Rewarder of all Men , according to ●heir Works . We gave the Text , as it is , ●nd the very Text seems exprest for a Decla●●tion of Faith in God , viz. He , that will come to God , must believe that He is , and that He is a Rewarder , of them that seek Him. ●he Text does not Enumerate and require ●he belief of all the Divine Attributes , and Properties that are in God , but the bare ●elief of his Being , and what He is to Mankind that fear him . And whatever the Bishop says , this is enough for a Man to come to God , tho' not enough , it seems , to come ●●o the Bishop in the Quality of a Believer : He must help the Holy Ghost to speak Properly , or we , that speak after him , must be deficient in our Expressions , if not our Belief . But when any one affirms , that Man was created by God , is he Short , Fallacious , or Equivocal because he does not say how God made Man , or what he made him ? ●●is not his Body , Soul , and Spirit , his Will , Understanding , Memory , and Affections comprized , and meant , under that word Man ? Besides , could the Bishop think that while we owned God's greater Providence , his lesser could be disbelieved by us ? He that has the alone Power of Rewarding Men , in the other World , according to their Works in this , must certainly be the Sovereign of Both ; and his Providence , in Justice , is to be so understood . And as it is most certain that we believe of God , all that the Holy Scriptures declare of him , and whatsoever is proper to that Great and Glorious Being so , had we not thought it unnecessary to be more particular , from the Common Notion all Men have of the Deity , the Bishop could have had no room left for the Exercise of his Charity . In his fifth Paragraph he Blames us of being Defective in our Confession of the Holy Trinity : Tho' we give it in the very Terms of the Holy Ghost , 1 John 15. 7. If this is not a sufficient Text to prove the Trinity , that Antiquity Urges , and also Modern Writers of the Church of England to prove it , I know not where to find one , in the Scripture . It is Generally believed the Apostle John gave this Declaration to the first Christians , to prevent their being deluded by Cerinthius . How come the Bishop then to render it but 〈◊〉 by passage , and otherwise intended by the Apostle , than for an Article of Faith about the Trinity ? Is there a plainer , or a fuller any where in the Writings of the New Testament ? Three and yet One , is the Doctrine of the Trinity : And no other Apostle has gone so far , or been so Express : Insomuch that the Text has been doubted , and render'd Apocryphal by such as do not believe the Common Doctrine of the Trinity ; and Foisted in to serve the turn of Trinitarians : So plain it has been thought to their purpose , even by the Anti-Trinitarians . How then is the Text defective with the Bishop ? But he says the Apostle writ it upon occasion : Doubtless he did so . But what other Occasion , I pray , than that of the Holy Trinity ? He adds , and it was to the Apostles purpose , touching the Father , Son , and Holy Ghost : But what purpose could the Apostle have , but that of Declaring the Trinity , and yet Unity ? What other Use does be make of it ? The Bishop must be very hard put to it , certainly , to shift off , and lessen our Confession in this Point , and Rather then fail , render the Text it self short ; which , with submission , I think is a bold Attempt in one of his Station , if he Believes the Thirty Nine Articles . The next and sixth Paragraph , relating to our third Gospel-Truth , is large , and consists of divers Branches , and therefore I shall Consider them distinctly and apart . In the third Article , You acknowledge indeed the Son of God to have been made Flesh , but neither Conceived by the Holy Ghost , nor Born of the Virgin Mary : So that it does not appear , by this your Confession , but that he was at first an● Ordinary , Corrupt and Sinful Person . I think it is hardly to be supposed that we could intend so Gross a thing , or that it is inferrible from the Manner of Expressing of ourselves , in Reference to Christ's Manifestation in the Flesh . Where Enough is said , to Comprehend the Rest , all is Meant , though all be not Exprest : We call him the Beloved Son of God , the only Begotten of the Father : Pray what is that short of being Conceived by the Holy Ghost ? To be sure , it is very far from a Corrupt and Sinful Person , a Supposition as remote from what we said , as from what the Bishop promised , viz. Charity . He that Confesses the Word was made Flesh , Confesses Him made Flesh by God , and therefore made Holy Flesh : For God never made any Corrupt or Sinful Flesh . If the place is read , as some do , viz. the Word took Flesh , the Flesh must be Holy , for he would not take , or dwell in Sinful Flesh . And had the Bishop well remembred what he Acknowledged , upon our Believing Christ to be a Propitiation for Sin , not many lines before , he could never have Suggested so unreasonable , as well as uncharitable a conceit , since Sinful Flesh , or a Corrupt Person could never be any part of a Sacrifice for Sin : So that in Commending that part of our Belief , he has sufficiently secured us against this part of his Insinuation . But the Bishop proceeds to Aggravate our Shortness in Expression to a Severe Imputation , viz. that we own him not so much as Jesus or the Christ . This must be a great oversight of the Bishop , not to say worse , when the very Fourth Head about Justification by Christ , of which he declares himself so well satisfied , Thrice confesses him to be Christ , viz. in the First , Third and Fourth Lines . Again , we call him Christ in the First Line of the Fifth Gospel Truth ; likewise in the First and Fourth Lines of the Sixth we call him Christ : We do the same in the First and Fifth Lines of the Eighth , and in the First Line of our Tenth Gospel-Truth : How the Bishop came to miss in so Palpable a Point of Fact , in the Compass of one half side of a Sheet of Paper , I cannot Imagine , and am unwilling to Censure . Nor would I willingly think the Bishop so Trifling , as Well as Disingenious , as to Excuse himself herein , because we do not call the Word that took Flesh by the Name of Christ in that place , since the Bishop Repeats it from us , out of our aforesaid Fourth Head , about Justification by Christ , where we call him by the Name of Christ , as may be seen in the Second and foregoing Paragraph of his Reflexions . Besides , we have not Confessed his Name less than Nine times in that Paper . But if the Bishop could yet insist upon the word Christ not being in our Third Head , I say the Thing is there , though the Word be not . For what is Christ but the Word made Flesh , and who is the Word made Flesh but Jesus Christ ? Again , who is the Beloved Son of God but Christ , and who else but Christ is the Beloved Son of God , and Only Begotten of the Father , full of Grace and full of Truth : For these High and Distinguishing Characters are to be found in That very Head of Doctrine , where the Bishop will not have us to acknowledge him to be Christ . So that unless a Corrupt and Sinful Person can be full of Grace and Truth , I wonder how the Bishop came to suppose a thing in our Name , so very Gross . But he proceeds in the same Paragraph . You acknowledge indeed he died for Sin , but you have not one Word of his Resurrection from the Dead , or of his Ascention into Heaven , which it may he proved some of you have expresly denied , saying , he is not ascended into Heaven , he is in us : With more to this Effect . I should be sorry to tax the Bishop here of Absurdity and Uncharitableness ; but who can help it ? For if Christ be not Risen , He is still in his Grave ; He is no more . How then do we assert him to be a Propitiation , and the Light and Life of his People ? See Gospel Truth 3 , 4 , 5 , and 6. Can that which is Dead Sanctifie and Justifie Believers ? Can the Dead give us Grace and the Holy Spirit ? Or have we not said so of Christ , that he is the Giver thereof ? And if we have said so , must not the Bishop be Extreamly beside the business ? His Uncharitabliness is as obvious , I will not say his Untruth ; but I must pray him to Reflect a little better upon what he has writ ; for unless he would make us to mean the Grave , when we say that Wicked Men shall never come where Christ is gone , Gospel Truth 6 , he must allow that we acknowledge Christ to be in Heaven , and Consequently Ascended . What shall I say to his Story of some of our Friends , whom he makes to affirm that Christ is not ascended into Heaven , he is in us ? Can it touch us , or should he have said it , and not have proved it ? Is that fair and candid ? Is it Charitable , Supposing it were true , which does not appear ? Or is it Just to Insinuate it upon the People as Dubious ? But let it be never so true , it cannot Conclude the People , if not the Act of the People , The Church of England has Doctors of very different Sentements ; would the Bishop think it fair the Common Belief of the Church should thereby be concluded ? It is true , and a great and Comfortable Truth , that Christ is in us , according to 2 Cor. 13. 5. Gal. 2. 16. Col. 1. 26. 27. but not Confined to Man : He is not so there , as that he is no where else , and least of all that he is not in Heaven . For the Apostle tells us , Eph. 4. 10. that He Ascended far above all Heavens , that he might fill all things ; then he is in Man certainly . So that our asserting that Doctrine of the Indwelling of Christ in Man , does not make void his being elsewhere because he is every where : Tho' in Heaven most Gloriously , without doubt , being there Glorified with the Glory that he had with the Father before ●he World began . And they that Thus believe in Christ cannot deny his being at God's Right Hand , which signifies , according to Scripture , Philip. 2 , 9 , 10 , 11. the Highest Exaltation : Nor yet to be their Mediator , for that is inseparable from his being their Propitiation . So that tho we did not dwell upon Points , but were Concise in our Expressions , yet whatever is Implied or is Implicable from any Assertion , Justice , as well as Charity always grants ; and so wound the Bishop have done , had they been Uppermost in his Mind when his Pen ran so fast against us . I must own it was not writ for Criticks , but for such Readers as the Bishop says he was , or should have been , to wit , who Exercise Moderation , and Charity ; more of which , I hope he thinks as well as I , will do him no harm . But it disturbs the Bishops that we have said nothing of Christ's coming to Judgment , nor of the end of the World , whether it be Dissolvable or Eternal . For the first , it is implied in our making all Men Accountable to God , for their Deeds done in the World. For the Other , it was not under our Consideration , being not objected to us . But they that say as much of Christian Doctrine as we have done in those Eleven Heads of our Paper , did never yet , that I have heard , believe the Eternity of this World , Heb. 1. 10 , 11 , 12. Yet again says the Bishop , Not a word of one Church , which it may be feard you strike out of your Belief , because you are resolved never more to return into the Unity of the Church , but to make and maintain a Schism or Party for ever . These are very harsh Constructions , besides that they beg the Question , and in my Opinion would have past better from a Person whose Office was less concerned in Charity than That of a Bishop : But why , pray , must Interest and Obstinacy Rule our Dissent ? What 's to be got by it ? Profit and Preferment go the Bishops way , I will not say he goes Theirs . But why not Conscience , tho' it were mistaken , since we have been all along of the Loosing side ? which is not usually espoused by the Men of Interest ; nor are Men ordinarily Obstinate against their Interest . Let us at least be Honest Men and allowed to mean well though we were mistaken . But what Church , of the many Churches in Europe is the Bishops One Church , to which he would have us return ? He has not told us . Methinks 〈◊〉 that censures our Shortness so much , ●●ould not have been deficient himself in so material a Point . So that if we are out of the way , we must be so still for all the Bishop ; since we are yet to seek what Church ●e Err from , or should repair to . But I ●ill suppose he means his Own , by which he excludes the Lutheran and Calvinist ; the Presbyterian , Independant and Baptist , as well as the People called Quakers , from being of his One Church ; to say nothing of the Roman Catholick or Greek Churches . But unle●ss the One Church , as he phrases it ; by which I understand him to Intend the true One , may be of two minds , it will be difficult for him to recommend his own above the rest , because that is not only broken in Sentiments , but Practice too , and which the Bishop knows is no longer a Secret. I might mention the Differences warmly managed between the Doctors of it , about Grace and Free-will ; one taking the Calvinist , the other the Arminian way ; as they also do about the Doctrine of Satisfaction and Justification . Likewise the late Controversie between two Famous Men of the Church , about the Trinity , who are followed in their differing Sentiments by great Numbers of the Learned of the Bishops One Church : And for that Reason ( if no other ) I cannot be so well satisfied of his exact Correspondence with all the Articles of that Church himself . And I hope I am not beside the business , when I say it would very well have become the Bishop to have told us what it is he would have us believe , when he found so much fault with what that Paper says we do believe . It would be too long , and perhaps he might think 〈◊〉 besides the business , at least the brevity th● Case requires , to give him the reasons o● our Separation and Dissent or Disagreemen● . with the Church . I put these Words together , because some were never Members of it , and so they could not properly be said to separate from it , but true it is , we may all b● said to Dissent or Disagree ; and I would think the Bishop should not be much to seek for the Reasons of it . And yet where we are vulgarly apprehended to differ most , we dissent least , I mean in Doctrine , which is the reason so many have upon occasion said , as indeed did the Bishop at the Visit I made him : viz. Why we believe the same , 't is what we Preach as well as you . For except it be the wording of some of the Articles of Faith in School Terms , there are very few of them ●●ofest by the Church of England , to which ●●e do not heartily Assent . And this I have ●●prest for my self , and in behalf of my ●●iends in my Key , and Primitive Christianity revived . But of this and the more material Reasons of our distance from the ●hurch , I may have occasion to express my 〈◊〉 at the Closure of this Vindication . But the Bishop proceeds in his Sixth Paragraph : Nor have yon a word of the Resurrection of the Body , which divers of you have ●●en known to deny , and others of you only say 〈◊〉 may be so . I shall consider this Immediat●ly upon the next Paragraph , where he ●eats upon the same Subject , and apply my 〈◊〉 to his conclusion of this : Lastly , Tho' 〈◊〉 acknowledge everlasting Rewards for them that fear God , yet nothing of the everlasting ●unishment of wicked Men. I think we do , ●nd that the Bishop aggravates his disinge●uity to us upon this Head : For the Words of the Paper are these , It is our Belief that ●od is , and that he is a Rewarder of all them that fear him , with Eternal Rewards of Happiness ; and that those that fear him not , shall be turned into Hell. The Scriptures are , Heb. ●1 . 6. Rev. 22. 12. Rom. 2. 5 , 6 , 7 , 8. Psalm ●● . 17. Now tho' Eternal is not joyned to Hell , yet Justice as well as Candor would have understood it so , and to mean the Hel● of the damned , the Punishment of Evil Doer● after this Life , according to , the Ancient Common Belief . But the Bishop that seldom fails to make the Worst of every thin●… for us , Thus comments upon our Word● ▪ You mention Hell indeed , but whether y●… mean thereby the Grave , as most commonly in Scripture is meant , or a Place of Temporal Punishment after this Life , as some have don● or a State of total Destruction and Annihilation as many now adays do , no One knows . B●●… with the Bishops leave , what if we mea● None of These , may we not be in the righ● for all that ? For what if none of these an●● the Ancient , Common and Scripture Belie●… what will the Bishop do then ? Since On● would think that one of them is the Bishop● Hell , because he gives Us and his Reade● no more Room for our meaning , or any other Belief of a Hell. And either one of these is an Article of his Belief , or else he keeps the true Hell to himself , and was not so just as to include that in the Question with the rest , lest he should be thereby guilty of supposing us capable of meaning the True One is our Gospel-Truths , viz. The Worm that never dies , the Fire that never goes out , where is weeping and gnashing of Teeth for ever : ●●e 2 Thessalonians 1. 9. Jude 6 , 7. And ●hich , I think , is none of the Three the Bishop mentions . However , he abundantly ●●●ws his Inclination to represent us rather ●●rong than Right , in our Belief : For if the ●●riptures by us cited are consulted , they ●ainly shew we never meant the Grave , and ●●at they Equally Referr to the Future , State 〈◊〉 the Souls of Men ; viz. That all shall re●●ive the Recompence of their Works , and the ●ewards of their Deeds , according to the ●ature and Quality of them . And if the Re●ards of the Righteous are Eternal , then so ●●ust those of the Wicked be , or both must 〈◊〉 Temporary : For the Holy Ghost makes 〈◊〉 Difference as to the Duration of the one ●●ore than of the other . One Grain of a Truly Christian Temper , had saved the Bishop , and he me , the Trouble of this as ●ell as of other Reflections . I am now come to his Seventh Paragraph , ●he first part of which is a heavy Complaint of our Shortness and Deficiency in Expressing of our Belief . We , it seems , are too General in some Points , and Wave Others ; he is pleased to say Eight of Twelve , but Instances only in that of the Resurrection ; tho' he conjures us at the same time , upon our Eternal Account , to consider what he say ▪ Now if being General and keeping to th● terms of Scripture be a Fault , we are lik● to be more vile with the Bishop : For thank be to God , That , only is our Creed , and wi●● good reason too , since it is fit That shou●● only conclude and be the Creed of Christians , which the Holy Ghost could only Propose and Require us to believe . For 〈◊〉 the Comment is made the Creed instead the Text , From that time we believe not God but in Man. I heartily wish none 〈◊〉 been wise above what is written , and th● Generals had Concluded Christians : Th● Charity had been better Maintained , an● Piety Promoted : Whereas Strains or R●fines upon the Text , have thrown us int● those Labarinths of Controversie , that th● Zeal which should have been Imployed t● suppress Sin in all its Branches , has too G●nerally been used to Fire one Party upo● Another , till Practice , which is Religion indeed , was blown up by the Generallity . S● much for our Shortness or Wavering , as the Bishop calls it . I shall now attend his only necessary Poin● of Eight , that he thought fit to mention which , he says we either suppress or wave viz. The Resurrection of the Dead : I confess I did not think that any Body would have been so uncharitable to us , after our Acknowledging the Future State of the Just and Unjust , since that implies it , and every Medium to it . However I will attend what ●he Bishop urges for Proof of what we don't ●eny , but always must the Slander of doing so . I will ( says he ) only mind you of two Passages out of the Scriptures of Truth , 1 Cor. 15. 16 , 17. If the Deadrise not , your Faith is vain , you are yet in your Sins . Hence it appears ( says the Bishop ) all other Points of Faith are in vain , if this be not true . And so say I , as well as the Bishop , and shall always say as he says , while he says no more than the Text says : For who can think that allows himself to think , that we should not believe an Immortality , who have exposed our selves , and suffered so much that we may obtain an happy One. But the Question is not whether Dead Rise , but with What Bodies : For if the Dead rise not , then may we say with the Apostle , Verse 19. in the same Chapter , We are of all Men most miserable . So that the Resurrection of the Dead is out of all Dispute with us : But with What Body , will I believe , be One , till the Dead Rise . Here it is we are Cautious , and tread Softly ; Remembring what the Apostle says to the Curious and Inquisitive upon this Head , Ver. 35 , 36 , 37 , 38. But some Man will say , How are the Dead Raised up , And with what Bodies do they come ? Thou Fool , thou sowest not that Body which shall be but bare Grain . — But God giveth it a Body as it had Pleased him , and to every Seed his own Body . Here is the Ground of our Caution , which the Bishop is pleased to call Suppressing , and others denying of the Resurrection . We have indeed been Negative to the Gros● Conceits of People concerning the Rising of this Carnal Body , we carry about us which better agrees with the Alcoran of Mahomet , than the Gospel of Christ . But that there is a Resurrection of the Just and Unjust to Rewards and Punishments , we have ever believed . And indeed we cannot but wonder that any should be displeased with us for being Pleased with that which God i● pleased to give us . Bodies we shall have , but not the same says the Apostle , and so Believes the Quaker ; but God giveth every one a Body as pleaseth him , and that Pleaseth us , whoever it displeaseth : For we had rather be called Fools Ten times by the Bishop , than Once by the Apostle , which we think we think we should deserve , if we should ●are to stretch the Text , or presume to de●ine the Secret. The other Scripture urged by the Bishop , ●n defence of what we never opposed , is Rom. 10. 9. If thou shalt confess with thy Mouth the Lord Jesus , and believe in thine Heart , that God hath raised him from the Dead , thou shalt be saved . He adds , Those who believe this as they should do , shall be saved . But that we have left out both Christ's Resurrection , and our Own in our Faith. In the ●irst part of his Note , I agree with him , that ●●ll who Rightly believe the Text , will be saved : For that must be by the Illumination and Working of the Saving Power of Christ in the Heart , that he can so believe . But that we have left out Christ's Resurrection and our Own , is a mistake already observed , because they are both plainly Implied ; one in our Belief of Christ's being a Propitiation for Sin , and the Light , Life and Strength of his People , and in giving us his Grace and Holy Spirit , which that which is Dead cannot do : And our own Resurrection is sufficiently secured in our declared Belief of Rewards and Punishments ; tho' the Mode of it be not Exprest : Nor was there any reason for saying more upon that Head with respect to the Occasion of our Papers being Published . I am now come to the Bishop's Eighth Paragraph , which Comprehends his Exceptions to Three of our Gospel-Truths , viz. the 5th , 6th , and 7th , which wholly relate to the Doctrine of the Light of Christ within Man. And I am truly sorry to find the Bishop at so great a loss , as that Paragrap● shews him , about so Excellent and Evident Principle , and which so very much concern him , and indeed All Men to know . And that my Reader may lnform himself throughly in this Matter , I must desire him to look back and read those Three Gospel-Truths and compare them with the Bishop's Eighth Paragraph , and he will make himself much a better Judge of the Vallidity of the Bishop's Answer and my Reply , and which 〈◊〉 us two keeps closest to the Doctrine and Language of the holy Scriptures , that h●● in the same Paragraph seems so much to Respect . His first Exception in this Paragraph i● at our Incapacity : For he says we have never been able yet , that he could find , to make out what we mean by the Light of Christ within . Perhaps the Bishop has never sought , or has sought amiss ; which as great and learned Men as himself have done before ●ow , and so mist what they have sought ●or : And then it cannot be a wonder , that he has not found out what we mean by the Light of Christ in Man. But that a Bishop ●hould represent this an unintelligible doctrine , after reading so distinct and plain an account of it in R. B's Apology , not to mention divers other Books ; and which is of ●reater Authority , the Scriptures of Truth , ●s no ordinary Surprise to me . Has the Bishop forgot the first of John , and the 4th , ●th , and 16th , Verses , where speaking of ●he Word-God , he says in him was Life , and the Life was the Light of Men. This is that Light of Christ the Quakers Assert , and desire to turn the Minds of all People too . For all must have it , if it be the Light of all , as the Text plainly tells us it is . The Ninth Verse is yet more express , viz. That was the True Light which lighteth Every Man that cometh into the World ; then which , nothing can be more Express to our purpose . And that the Bishop should feel no share in this Glorious Light of Men , renders him very unfit , methinks , for an Over●seer of them . I know some read this Text otherwise , a● indeed he did to me in Cork , viz. That wa● the true Light , That Coming into the World lighteth all Men ; referring the word Coming to Christ , and not to Man. But all th● Versions I ever met with , and I have see● more than twenty , render the verse as it● in our English Translations : And all C●●ticks and Commentators , except the followers of Socinus , Read and Render it as ●word do . And while we have so much Company and so great Authority , I think we nee● not be solliscitous about the success of thi● point . But besides that the foregoing veri●● tells us , that the Divine Life of the Word God , is the Light of Men , which shews all Mankind have it in them ( for it is the Light of their Minds , and not of their Bodies ) it is impossible that Interpretation should be true in a strict Sense : For the Coming of Christ in that Blessed manifestation was to the Jews only : He says it himself , he was not sent but to the lost Sheep of the House of Israel , Matth. 13. 24. Again , he came unto his own , and his own received him not John 1. 11. And within that narrow ●ompass he could not be said to be the Light of all Mankind that had , did and ●hould come into the World , for so both the ●th and 9th Verse plainly import , viz. The Light of Mankind , without restriction to This or That Manifestation of God to Men. But the Bishop is still at a loss what to ●ake of this Light , and what we would be ●t ; for , says he , You will not allow it to be ●ither the natural Rational Faculty , or common ●nnate Notions , or natural Conscience , or Conscience Illuminated , by the preaching of the Gospel , and the Operation of the Holy Ghost ●hereby . We say , we would have it to be what the Scriptures say it to be , viz. The Light of Christ , the Son of God , who called himself , John 8. 12. the Light of the World ; and if so , then Every Mans Light ; the Light of every Mind and Understanding , and consequently the Light of Christ within , too hard it seems for the Bishop to comprehend , and yet so very easie , to the meanest Capacity that observes the Discoveries and Convictions of it in their own Hearts . But since it is , as he rightly terms it , a Fundamental with us , we will follow the Bishop , in his Inquiries a little further . We say first then , It is not the Natural Rational Faculty of Man ; for then It would be Man , or a part of his Composition , meerly as Man : But that It is not , but a Manifestation in the Soul of Man , of Christ , the Word-God , the Light of the World , the Second Adam , the Lord from Heaven , the Quickning Spirit ; who was full of Grace and Truth , and of whom Man hath received , Grace for Grace : To wit , a Tallent , a Proportion suited to his Want and Capacity , to Convince and Convert him , to Renew and Restore him fro● his great Lapse unto God , his blessed Maker , again . In short , our Natural Rationa● Faculty is our Sight , but not our Light● That , by which we descern and judge wha● the Divine Light shews us , viz. Good from Evil , and Error from Truth . But as the Ey● of the Body is the Sensible Faculty of seeing External Objects , through the Discovery that an External Light ( as the Sun in the Firmament ) makes to the Eye , but is not That Light it self ; so does the Rational Faculty of the Soul see Spiritual or Immaterial Objects , through the Illumination of the Light of Christ within , but is by no means That Light it self , any more than the Eye is the Sun , or John the Baptist was our blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ , that was but Servant and Fore-runner of his blessed Manifestation in the Flesh . As for the Bishop's Innate Notions , and Natural Conscience , if by them he means Impressions , or Principles wich are born And come with us into the World , viz. the Law of God in the Heart of Man ; I must tell him , first , that this is not the Language of the Law and Testimony he referrs us to in the same Paragraph : And next , that as the Work is not the Workman , so They are not properly the Light of Christ , but the blessed Fruit and Effect of the Light of Christ , the Word-God in Man , which shines in the Heart , and gives him the Knowledge of God , and of his Duty to Him. So that the Innate Notions , or Inward Knowledge we have of God , is from This true Light that lighteth every Man , coming into the World , but is not that Light it self . Just so the Bishop's Natural Conscience , must only mean a Capacity that Man has by Nature ; that is , in his Creation , of making Judgment of himself , his Duty , and Actions , according to the Judgment of God manifested to him by the Light of Christ within . Not that such a Capacity is That Light ; but that It sees or understands by the Inshining of the Divine Light , the things that belong to Man's Duty and Peace . Nor is it Conscience , Illuminated , by the preaching of the Gospel , and the Operation of the Holy Ghost thereon , which is the last of the Bishop's Constructions ; but That very Principle of Life & Light , which Illuminates the Conscience , and was the very Spring and Force of the Apostolical Ministry , and of the Conviction and Conversion of their Hearers , and which Opened their Hearts to receive the Gospel when preach'd unto them . In short , this Excellent Principle is in Man , but not of Man , but of God. The Nature of it is to Discover Sin , Reprove for It , and Lead out of It , all such as Love and Obey the Convictions thereof . It is a Principle of Divine Life that Quickens the Obedient Heart to Newness of Life : It Raises , the Mind above the World to God , and searches out and reveals the Deep things of God to the humble and waiting Soul. And be it known to the Bishop , and all that with him profess Ignorance about what we mean by the Light of Christ within Man , This is It , I have been treating of ; and I have writ , I bless Almighty God , My own Experience , the Taste and Relish I have had of Its Excellency and Sufficiency in the Course of far the greater and best part of my Life . But the Bishop must excuse me if I say , I ●annot but take it very Ill at his hands , to ●orbid us in his following Words , to pretend ●o give an Account of what we Believe , unless ●e can make him understand our meaning : And , ●ecause he does not penetrate our Sense , to ●all our way of Wording that blessed Prin●iple of the Light of Christ in Man , a Per●ect Banter . This to me is one of the seve●est Persecutions , because Spiritual things , ●re only to be Spiritually discerned and un●erstood . I would fain know how a Rege●erate Man can possibly make a Carnal Man understand the New Birth ? It is cer●ainly the Gift of God to understand Divine Truths , as well as Rightly to Believe . So that supposing our Assertion of the Nature , Power , and Excellency of the Light of Christ in Man to be true , not to have leave to say so , unless we could make every Man rightly take our Sence and Meaning , whether he be Spiritually Discerning , or not , looks Antichristian as well as Unreasonable . We speak Wisdom , says the Apostle , among them that are perfect , 1 Cor. 7. 6. It seems others understand him not , must He therefore not have wrote of the things of God ? The very Preaching of the Gospel was Foolishness to the Wiselings of Jews and Greeks ; they could make neither Head nor Tail of It , by Their way of Judging of Truth : Must not the Gospel therefore be preach'd ? When the Apostle Paul preach'd to the Athenians , some of the Men of the Gown , the Philosophers of that Time , Opposed and Despised him , saying , What will this Babbler say ? But had they known what he meant , we cannot think they would have said so to Him. Wa● the Aposlte then , or the Athenians in faul● that they did not understand Him ? Or was it Bantering as well as Babbling , because he did not make them understand his meaning ; which is only the Work of the Holy Ghost to do ? Who was it , I pray , tha● said The World by Wisdom knew not God ? And can we suppose any thing else blinded the Scribes and Pharisees and the High-Priest of the Jews , from discerning the Messiah when He came ? For they wanted not Academical Learning , if that could have enlightned them ; nor yet the Scriptures , but they Resisted the Holy Ghost their only True Interpreter , and so stumbled and fell . Let the Bishop also have a Care. In the Second Chapter of the first Epistle to the Corinthians , he will find that the A●ostle spake the Wisdom of God in a , My●tery , which the Prinees of this World knew ●ot , with all their Wisdom : For the things ●f God , fays the Apostle , knoweth no Man , but the Spirit of God ; by which those Christians , knew those things that were freely given to them of God. Which thing also we speak , says He , not in the Words which Mans Wisdom teacheth , but which the Holy Ghost teachetb , comparing Spiritual things with Spiritual . But the Natural Man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God , for they are foolishness unto him : Neither can he know them , because they are Spiritually discerned . Now , according to the Bishops treatment of us , the Apostle ought not to have writ of Faith and Salvation , unless he could have made all that read his Writings understand his Meaning . And it must be a perfect Banter , to talk of speaking Wisdom in a Mystery , and not in the Terms that Man's Wisdom teacheth . But the Lord Jesus Christ was of another Mind , when he said , I thank thee , O Father , Lord of Heaven and Earth , because thou hast hid these things ( the Truths of the Kingdom ) from the Wise and Prudent , and Reveal'd them unto Babes ; Even so Father , for so it seem'd Good in thy sight . It is hence beyond all Dispute that God hideth the Mysteries of His Kingdom from the Wisdom of Man , when Simplicity and Sincerity fail not to Reach and Understand them . Here it was that poor Nicodemus was absolutely at a loss for Christ's meaning , when Christ said , Unless a Man be born again , he can in no wise enter the Kingdom of God , John 3. Insomuch as he asked Christ , upon his Discourse of the New Birth , How can these things be ? At which Christ seems to admire , in a sort of Reproof upon Nicodemus , Art thou a Master of Israel , and knowest not these things ? As much as to say , Art thou , a Man of thy Station in the Church of God , Ignorant of the Way to Heaven ? Whoever reads that notable Interview between Christ and Nicodemus , will find that Christ resolves the Matter into Two Births , That which is Born of the Flesh , and That which is Born of the Spirit , and these are Contrary : And therefore no wonder if they differ in their Understanding of the Holy Scriptures , being a Declaration of the Faith and Experience , as well as Doctrine and Practice of the Servants of God that were Enlightned and Born of the Holy Ghost . Nor is this all ; for they that are Born of the Flesh , Persecute them that are Born after the Spirit : So that when they can no longer commit Violence upon their Persons and Estates , they will Persecute them with their Tongues and Pens : They are Hereticks , Blasphemers , Illiterate and Ignorant , yet Presumptuous ; Enemies to Caesar , and Disobedient to Government , if they will not give God's due unto Man , viz. Conscience . And if they choose to deliver themselves in Scripture Stile , and speak earnestly of the Necessity of the Work of the Spirit of God , in order to an Experimental and Saving Knowledge of the Truth , declared in Holy Scripture ; and that Christ's Ministers are made by the Holy Ghost , and not by Humane Learning ; and that the Worship which is acceptable to God , must be in the Spirit and in the Truth ; that is , with Clean Hearts and Right Spirits , Kindl'd and Inflam'd with the Holy Spirit of God ; They must be called Enthusiasts , Unintelligible , Men of Cant and Banter . And here I leave the Bishop , upon this Paragraph , desiring him to Consider , whether his Knowledge of God the Father , and Jesus Christ , whom rightly to know is Life Eternal , John 17 , be by the Revelation of the Son of God in his own Soul , since Christ himself Teacheth and Affirmeth , that no Man knows the Father but the Son , and He to whom , the Son Reveals Him : I should be glad to see the Bishop's Evidence for this Knowledge . For in the Conclusion of this Paragraph ; he turns us to the Scriptures , who in the beginning of it , makes us Unintelligible and Banterers in Religion , for Expressing Ours in the Terms of It ; which may well merit the Bishop's Serious Reflexion . His Ninth Paragraph refers to our Eighth Article , as he calls it of which he cites these Eight Words only . Worship under the Gospel is Inward and Spiritual ; upon which , he says , If you mean , that Outward Worship ought to be accompanied with Inward and Spiritual Worship , 't is what we Preach , Press and Practice ; but if ( as it would seem ) you mean that all the Worship , God now requires , is from the Inward Man , or from the Spirit , this is abominably false ; for our Bodies are God's Handy-work , and God by the Apostle commands , Glorifie God in your Body , and in your Spirit , which are God's . Not to tell you , that you your selves , now a-days , perform somewhat of Bodily Worship , Indeed we do , and Ever did , and Ever shall , I hope , while we have Bodies to Worship God in . We are so ●ar from denying the Body what share is ●ue to it , that with the Apostle , 1 Cor. 6. ●9 . we say , What , know ye not that your Bo●ies is the Temple of the Holy Ghost , which is ●n you , which ye have of God , and you are not ●our own ? Of which I would have the Bi●hop well Consider : For , if our very Bodies are under the Influence of the Holy Ghost , how much more reasonable is it to believe , that It dwells in our Souls , and that our Hearts must be Prepared , and Animated by the Holy Spirit , in all our Devo●ion towards God. But two things I must Remark to the Bishop , First , That we did not give him the least Occasion to suspect we deny'd Bodily Worship , as appears by the Gospel-Truth now in question : For 't is plain there , by these words , Worship in this Day is Inward and Spiritual , That we only distinguish'd between Gospel Worship , and the Ceremonial , and Pompous Worship of the Law ; and that by Spiritual Woship , we understand Praying , Praising , and Preaching by the Preparation and Sanctification of the Spirit of God ; which the Bishop does not , and , I hope , dares not . Deny : Yet Unkindly , and I think Unjustly brings in His , as it would seem , to make us by an Uncharitable Innuendo look to his Reader , as if we denied Bodily Worship . And yet , to avoid so hard a Chapter , as Maintaining this Aspersion would prove to the Bishop , he is forced to confess that now a-days we perform some-what of Bodily Worship ; as if we did not perform any formerly , and but a little now : Which shews not that Candor , that his Character ows us , and but too plainly tells every Impartial Reader , how muck more mind he has that we should be in the Wrong than in the Right . I must Confess we have le● Pomp and Gaudiness in our Worship , as wel● as in our Cloaths , than is the Custom o● some other Churches , and think it our Happiness that we are freed from such an Unprofitable as well as Unsuitable Incumberance . Whatever It be , 't is such as we believe God by his Holy Spirit hath led us into : And tho' it be not so Entertaining to those who are Govern'd more by their outward Senses than their Souls , yet , I hope it will be allowed us to be Grave , Solemn and Fervent . The other Remark I make upon the Bishop's Exceptions is this , That the Spiritual Worship he there allows of , seems to be but the Worship of Man's Spirit , and not of the Spirit of God , working upon the Spirit of Man. I would not Imitate him , lest I ●●ould be Uncharitable too : For if my ●eader can make more of it , he has my ●onsent ; but that seems to me to be the ●ishop's Interpretation upon Christ's words ●ted by us on this Occasion , viz. God will 〈◊〉 worshipped in Spirit and in Truth : Tho' ●ere is a Truth in that also , yet this nor ●eing so peculiar to the Gospel Dispensa●on , could not be the Extent of Christ's ●ords , whose Drift certainly was , to draw Mens Minds to a more Inward and Spiri●ual Worship : Not only to have less Cere●ony than was Practis'd among the Jews , ●ut to feel more of the Power and Spirit of God in our Adoration and Praises , than be●ong'd to the Former Dispensation ; and , with which , I heartily wish the Bishop a ●etter Acquaintance . Upon the whole Mat●er , I am apt to think my Reader believes with me , he might as well have spared his Pains upon us , about the first Part of this Gospel-Truth , as he is Silent of the latter , viz. That we may Preach in Power , as well as Words , and as God Promised , and Christ Ordained , without Money / and without Price . The Bishop , in his Tenth Paragraph , is pleased to Endeavour to lessen the Authority and Credit of our Ninth Gospel-Truth relating to the vain Fashions and Customs o● the World. His words are these . You te● us of denying all the vain Customs and Fashion of the World , as also Excess in all things ; 〈◊〉 know no sort of Christians who teach otherwise● I wish I knew none ( even of your selves ) tha● practis'd otherwise ; it is one part of our C●techism we teach our Children . He first Concurs with our Doctrine , for he says , 〈◊〉 knows none that Preaches otherwise ; and th● they do the like in their Catechism . S● far then he allows us to be sound . But h● wishes he knew none ( even of Us ) that Practice otherwise . This is a sort of Charge , and being not Prov'd , looks like a Calumny● Some perhaps do not walk quite so strictly as becomes them to their Profession ; but are they own'd by us therein ? Or Indulged it self ? If not , what are we to Conclude● but that the Bishop's Insinuation is to Ballance Accounts with us for the failures of his own People ? But , pray , are our Excesses equal , or the Numbers , that in Proportion do transgress ? I would not have him Comfort himself with his Uncharitableness to his honest and friendly Neighbours : As it will not Excuse his less exact Friends , that any of ours live larger , than they profess . so it cannot justly affect our Body , ●here so few are faulty , when 't is so well ●nown that such are sure to meet with due ●eproof . But he adds , that There are many Innocent ●nd Laudable Customs , We call vain : This 〈◊〉 all in a Heap , and a Reflection by Whole●ale , I can truly tell him , I know of none : ●nd if he had been more particular , so would too : Perhaps he thought Generals bes● 〈◊〉 make his Reflection Safe : But if it were ●y place to be Plaintiff , I could treat the ●ishop with a large Catalogue of very Of●ensive Customs , that would concern him ●o think upon . However , he is pleased to ●e particular upon us in one of them , which ●lmost turns his Stomach , he says , to think of , viz. Would it not make a Man's Stomach ●urn , to hear one forbear , in point of Conscience , saying [ you ] to a single Person , because ●t is Improper ; and at the same time , while ●e is speaking to his Superiour , because Thou ●ost sounds a little rudely , to soften the Thou , ●nd say Thee doest , which is commonly your Peoples practice . It is pity the Bishop could find nothing else to observe from us , that might have better edified us and his Readers : Yet if this be that , among the Laudable Customs which we call Vain , which is most Offensive to his Stomach , it shews him to have a very weak one . However , a weak Stomach is better then a weak Head and such an one I should take mine to be if my Instances were no more to the Purpose and my Readers Instruction . But I have somewhat to say to the Bishop , before I leave him , upon the Old Topick of Sincerity , and Charity , in this Reflection , as I have had in most of the other viz. That he makes the Ground of our Conscientiousness , about the saying of You to 〈◊〉 single Person , to be only Propriety of Speech which he ( I was going to say ) in his Conscience must know is not so : But that the true Reason of it is , first , That It is the Language of the Scriptures of Truth ; and next , that the Original of You to a single Person , was Pride and Flattery , being a Plural Honour to a Single Person ; given first to Potentates , and then gradually to all Subordinate Ranks of People . In Ancient and Unmixt Tongues , Thou to a Single Person is kept still , as also among the Common People of the present Languages and particularly in that Kingdom where he is a Bishop . I refer him to a Book entituled , No Cross , No Crown , where he will find other Reasons ●or our Tenderness in that Matter then he ●lledges , or we have Room for here ; tho' ●he Bishop confines us to Propriety as the ●nly Reason of our Practice , that he might ●e better Lash us with the Impropriety of Thee for Thou ; which yet he might have ●pared , since nothing is more common with ●ll People , than to take the like freedom in ●peech , in Cases as well as Tenses ; not ●xcepting the Learned themselves . But be ●t so , we keep Numbers , and intend not ●lipping of Cases , and that 's Our Point , tho' ●ot the Bishop's , it seems ; which it should ●ave been , would he have been just to us upon the Question . As for the Levity and Scorn , with which he is pleased to treat us upon this Head , I shall only say , it unbecame him , and Confirms us more than it Exposes us , whatever it does Him. But I Confess , I am surprized , to find a Man of his Character , and Pretensions , propose so loose a Question as that with which he closes this Paragraph : viz. Will you ever be able to prove , the Primitive Christians used a Dialect or Dress , different from other of their Nation or Quality , and placed Religion in it ? Does not Christ require Saluting , those that Salute not us ? And no doubt , Ho● and His Apostles Salutations were in the Common Form. Doubtless , we are able , most easily and fully : And 't is admirable to conceive how he could be Ignorant of these Proofs , who ought to be so well read in Scripture and Antiquity . I beseech you therefore Brethern , says the Apostle , by the Mercies of God , that you present your Bodies a Living Sacrifice , Holy , Acceptable unto God which is your Reasonable Service : And 〈◊〉 not Conformed to this World / but be 〈◊〉 Transformed by the Renewing of your Minds , Rom. 12. 1 , 2. Again , the Apostle Peter , Chap. 1. 13 , 14. Exhorts the Believers , to Gird up the loyns of their Minds , and be Sober , as Obedient Children , not Fashioning themselves , according to the former Lusts in their Ignorance ; which was the Custom of their Countrey . And Chap. 3. 3 , 4. Whose Adorning let it not be that of Plaiting the Hair and of Wearing of Gold / or of Putting on of Apparel : But let it be the Hidden Man of the Heart / in that which is not Corruptible , even the Ornament of a Meek and Quiet Spirit , which is in the sight of God , of great Price . Thus the Apostolical Counsel to the Churches . But for all this , the Bishop of Cork cannot tell how to think We are ●ble to prove , that the Primitive Christians ●iffered in their Dress , from other People of ●heir Country and Quality . Nor was this ●nly the Strictness of that Time ; for the ●ame Apostle adds , Verse 4. as an Argument 〈◊〉 Enforce his Advice ; for After this man●er , says he , in the Old time , the Holy Wo●en also , who trusted in God , Adorned them●lves . But can a Man of his Letters , realy ●e at a Loss for a Proof of the Singularity of Primitive Christians , in Dress , Speech and Behaviour ? Or is it to try if we have any ●o resolve his Question ? or taking our Il●iterature for Granted , that he puts upon ●●s ? I beseech him to Converse with Ouze●ius upon Minutius Faelix , and he will tell him that the first Christians were tax'd , and despised for Ill-bred , in Manners , Unpolish'd in Speech , Unfashionable in Behaviour ; in ●fine , Rustichs and Clowns : As the Christians Irronically return'd their Scorners the ●stile of Well-bred and Eloquent . This , and much more he cites out of Arnobius , Lactantius , Theodoret , &c. And Jerom writing to Celantia and Dometias , Noble Women of that time , sets them a Singular Form of Life from that of the People of their Quality : And Paulinus Bishop of Nola , was so far from pleading for Christians Temporizing with the People of their own Nation , or Quality , according to the Bishop of Cork , that he sharply reproves Sulpitius Severus for It , in a letter to him ; as the learned Casaubon in his Discourse of Use and Customs , observes . If the Bishop would look into the Constitutions , that go under the Name of Clemens Romanus , with Tertullian , Gregory Naz. Clemens Alexandrinus , Austin , Gregory the Great , and other Ancients , he would perceive the Care and Zeal of those Eminent Men to suppress the Education and Custom● of the Gentiles , and to encourage and recommend the Simplicity and Moderation of the Manners and Behaviour of the first Christians , Which Machiavel in his 2d Book of Disputations takes notice of , and is none of the least proofs to our Point . And to finish my Authorities , passing by Petrus Belonius , Gratian , Cardan , Luther , &c. I must recommend to the Bishop the History of the Waldenses ( an Early People , if not Successive from the Primitive Times ) written by one Perrin , more especially containing their Faith , Worship and Discipline ; and there he may , if he please , observe the Simplicity , Plainess and Distinction of that People from the Customs of the Countries ●hey lived in , and those that have the name ●f Reformed ones now . But he tells us , Christ and his Apostles had ●alutations ; and I tell him , so have We ●ut he will have it that Christ and his A●ostles Saluted after the Fashion of the Coun●ry they were in ; which is sooner said then ●rov'd . For Christ asked the Jews , How ●an you believe that receive Honour one of ano●her , and seek not the Honour that cometh from God Only ? Now this certainly must be Unlawful to Give or Receive , which hinders true Faith. And what was this Ho●our , but Salutations after the fashion of the Times ? As the Text shews , Mat. 23. and for Calling , and being Called of Men Rabbi Christ was so far from Commanding , or Imitating them in such things , that He expresly forbids it . But the meaning of Christ's ●aying , Mat. 5. And if ye Salute Your Brethren only , what do ye more then Others ? do not even the Publicans so ? is this , That in all Acts of Love , Mercy , and Goodness they were to Exceed the Practice of that time : They were to take more notice of , and to look more kindly and friendly upon All Men. But in another sense , He that bid them Salute Enemies as well as Friends , also forbids his Disciples to Salute any Man , or call any Man Rabbi or Master ; for that One was their Lord and Master , and they were all Brethren , Mat. 23. 6 , 7 , 8. and Luke 10. 4. And between such Relations Worldly Honours were of no use , as well as of no value . And did a Primitive Spirit Prevail in those that so much pretend to be the Successors of the Apostles , we should see them more Exemplary in Self-denial and Holiness ; Encouraging and not Undervaluing and Brow-beating the Serious and Conscientious . But Trees are known by their Fruit ; for Grapes are not gathered of Thorns , nor Figs of Thistles . In the mean time , if my Reader please to peruse the Ninth and Tenth Chapters of that Book Entituled , No Cross , No Crown , he will , I hope be satisfied , that we are for Honour , Respect and Civility according to Scripture ; tho' Non-conformists to the Empty and Troublesome Ceremonies of the Times , left by us , not of Rudeness , but Conviction ; and forbore of Duty and no otherwise of Choice . For , Humanely Speaking , that Contradiction to Custom cannot be Pleasant to us . I have detained my Reader longer upon this Head than I expected , or perhaps he desired : I shall therefore proceed to the Bishops next Paragraph , which contains his Exceptions to our Tenth Gospel-Truth about Baptism and the Supper , and the ●ast he has to take notice of , the Eleventh , about Government , , being by him already granted in the beginning of his Paper . He begins thus , In your Xth Article you believe a Spiritual Baptism and a Spiritual Supper and Communion , but acknowledge , you disuse the outward Signs , by us commonly called Sacraments : Now did not Christ command Water-Baptism ? Go ye and Baptize all Nations , Matth. 28. 19 , 20. He goes on , The Baptism here commanded was Water-Baptism : His reasons are first , that Baptizing with the Spirit was God's work , not the Apostles . 2dly , Primitive Practice , Acts 10. 47 , 48. in Cornelius's Case ; Who can forbid Water ? But this is also gratis dictum : For the first Reason is no Reason , since it is not true : And the second seems to me Defective and Short. I am very sensible of the Disadvantage I am under , and that I touch a tender Place , and what I say upon this Head , as also anon upon the Supper , will be against Wind and Tide with the Generality . But as I hope I shall express my self Reverently as well as Plainly upon this Occasion , so I beseech my Reader , for his Own sake as well as Ours , not to Prejudge us ; as I am sure he will not if he be a Searcher after Truth , and that I charitably suppose of him . I say then The Bishop's first Reason is not true ; for God by the Apostles did Baptize Believers with the Holy Ghost . It fell-upon them , through the Powerful Preaching of the Word : Thus , Acts 10. 44. While Peter yet spoke these words , the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the Word . By which it is evident that Peter , in that Sermon , was the Minister of the Spiritual Baptism to Cornelius and his Company . And Peter gives this account to those of the Circumcision at Jerusalem , Acts 11. 15. And as I began to speak , the Holy Spirit fell on them as on us at the beginning : Then remembred I the Word of the Lord , how that he said John indeed Baptized with Water , but ye shall be Baptized with the Holy Spirit . So that Peter evidently declares the Gift of the Spirit by the Ministry of the Gospel , to be the Baptism of Christ , or the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Fire , which Christ promised at his Ascension into Heaven . But the Apostle Paul puts this Matter beyond all Doubt , in his Excellent Account ●e gives of his Conversion and Commission to King Agrippa , Acts 26. where my Reader will find these words dropping from the Mouth of the Lord Jesus to Saul ; Delivering thee from the people , and from the Gen●iles , to whom now I send thee , to open their Eyes / and to turn them from Darkness to Light / and from the Power of Satan unto GOD / that they may receive Forgiveness of Sins , and an Inheritance among them which are Sanctified through Faith that is in Me , Verse 17 , 18. Now if this could be done without the Holy Ghost , let my Reader judge . 'T was with the Holy Ghost that Peter's Hearers were Prick'd to the Heart , and fitted to receive more of It : And it was by the same Holy Ghost that Paul's Hearers had the Eyes of their Minds opened , to see the Mysteries of God's Kingdom , and by which they were Converted from Darkness to Light , that they might receive the Forgiveness of their Sins , and Inheritance among them which are Sanctified . So that the very End and Benefit of the Apostolical Ministry was Converting , that is , Baptizing them into Christianity ; in the Nature , Power and Life of It , by the Holy Ghost . Now for the Bishop's Second Reason , viz. Practice : I say it is granted that Water-Baptism having got place among them by John's Ministry , the Fore-runner , it held after Christ's Coming ; but that was Ex Gratia , and of Condescention , not of Commission ? for that properly ceases when his Ministration begins , of which John's was but the Fore-runner . For Moses and the Prophets were till John , and John till Christ . And this , John the Water-Baptist tells us , Mat. 3. 11. I indeed Baptize you with Water unto Repentance , but he that cometh after me is mightier than I , He shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with Fire , see Mark 1. 8. Luke 3. 16. Here 's a different Baptism and Baptizer , the Servant and the Master , the Water and the Holy Ghost . One Transcient , the Other Permanent : One the End of the Jewish , and the Other the Beginning of the Gospel Dispensation . Wherefore says our Lord Jesus Christ , the least in the Kingdom of Heaven is Greater than John , Matth. 11. 11. Why is not John in Heaven ? No doubt of it at all , and a Glorious Saint too : But the Least in Christ's Dispensation , viz. The Kingdom of God in the Soul , the Work of Christ , the Baptizer with the Holy Ghost and Fire , is Greater than John , as to the Nature of his Administration . See John 3. 30 , 31. He must Increase , but I must Decrease . What! John decrease , or his Ministration ? His Ministration certainly , which he calls Earthly in Comparison of Christ's . So that the Baptist in his Watery Dispensation did but Fore-run Christ , in reference to the Kingdom that he was to set up in Men. He pointed to Christ , and shewed what Christ was to do , viz. to Wash , Fan , and Throughly Purge his Floor ; that is , His People , and Sanctifie them throughout , by his Spiritual Baptism , according to the Apostle , in Body , Soul and Spirit , 1. Thess 5. 23. So that in short , Practice Properly can be no Institution , where the thing Practic'd has no Commission , which I suppose the Bishop will not think fit to deny : But , says he , It has a Commission , Mat. 28. 19. which is , under favour , bur his say so ; and that I think it is no more , I do with all Humility and Submission say , First , I cannot tell how to reconcile it to Good Sense , or Common Usage in Sacred or Civil Matters , that any thing should be in force by a Commission that is not so much as once named in the Commission . I say , to me it does not appear Congruous any more than Cogent , or obliging . And this is the Cause in hand : For there is not a word of Water in the Text alledged for Water ; nor yet in the Context . And unless there were no other Baptism than that of Water , as there are several , it must at least be allowed to be a Question , what Baptism Christ meant in that Commission , when he sayd . Go ye therefore and Teach all Nations , Baptizing them in the Name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost . But it may be returned upon me ; nor does the Text say it is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost , and so the Bishop is upon equal Terms with me . Grant it , that the word Holy Ghost is not litterally joined to Baptizing , any more than the word Water in that part : But if I am able to shew that the thing is there , and that the Baptism of the Holy Ghost was the Subject of Christ's Discourse , when he gave that Commission at his Farewell , I presume it will be granted me , that Christ intended a Spiritual , and not a Water Baptism ; and that is what I shall do , I hope with much Clearness . First , the Fact , and then my Arguments . Matthew , the Evangelist , large in his History upon other Points , seems short and abrupt in the Context of this Commission , as the Reader may observe . And as it is usual for one Evangelist to explain another , which was the great Wisdom , as well as Goodness of God , that those Christian Memorials might come with less Suspition to the World of any Humane Contrivance ; So Luke supplies the shortness of the other Evangelist in his Context to this Commission . Luke 24. 45 to 50. particularly the 47 , 48 , 49. verses . And ●hat Repentance and Remission of Sins should be Preached in his Name , among all Nations , beginning at Jerusalem . And ye are Witnesses of these things . And behold I send the Promise of my Father upon you : But tarry ye in the Ci●y of Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on High. Where , as it is plain that this Evangelist in his Account of Christ's Commission , to wit , the Work Christ gave his Disciples to do , Names no Baptizing at all , tho' that which it Implies , in my Sense of the Word , is there , viz. the Promise of the Father , which is the Power from on High They were to tarry at Jerusalem for . So is there not one Word of Water here mentioned , to induce us to think that Christ intended to give it any Place in his Commission . In short , it appears that the Disciples were to be Qualified before they were to go forth as His Witnesses , and that this Qualification is the Promise of the Father , that he would quickly send them . Now I must desire my Reader to turn to the Acts of this Evangelist , Chap. 1. 4 , 5. where he further opens the Manner and matter of Christ's Discourse , and Farewell to his Disciples : And ( Christ ) being Assembled with them , commanded them , that they should not depart from Jerusalem , but Wait for the Promise of the Father , which , saith He , ye have learnt of me : For John truly Baptized with Water , but ye shall be Baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence . It can be , me-thinks , no longer a doubt what Baptism it is that Christ's words , Mat. 28. 19. refers to , since we see not only that Christ distinguishes betwen John's Baptism and His own , and between Water and Holy Ghost ; but also He assigns Water Baptism to John , as his Baptism , and not Christ's , and thereby declares the Holy Ghost to be his own Baptism , and none of John's , and which yet is no more than what John had said before . So that Comparing both Texts together , Mat. 28. 19. with Acts 1. 4 , 5. we may see , if we please , that the Commission in the one , is to be explained by the Qualifications in the other , which was omitted by the first Evangelist . There They are bid to Go , here They are bid to Stay : That is to say , Stay , before you Go , and receive your Qualification before you go to Qualify , viz. the Promise of the Father ; that is , the Baptism of the Holy Ghost , which is followed by the Power from On High , verse 8. And indeed , had we not this express force on our side from the Text it self , the Word Therefore in the Commission , ( referring plainly to the foregoing Verse , as the Reason of what follows ) justifies our sense . For whereas the Bishop has objected against our Assertion , that it must not be a Spiritual Baptism , because that was the work of God , and not of the Apostles : It is plain that our Lord takes off the force of his exception , since the Reason why he bid them Go , &c. is because , says he , all Power in Heaven and in Earth is given unto me . Verse 18. As much as if he had said , Go , do all that I have said unto you , and be not Doubting or Fearful / about the performance of It , for All Power in Heaven and Earth is given unto me that bids you Go , and Lo I am with you alway , even unto the end of the World , Which need not have been said , as an Encouragement to them , in reference to Water Baptism , since that was practised by them , as well as by John's Disciples long before . Nor is this all ; for the very Text , duely considered , will not have It to be Water , since that could Baptize none Into the Name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost , and so the Bishop knows the Greek Text runs , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for they that are Baptized Into the Name of the Father , and of the Son , and of the Holy Ghost , must be baptized with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost . Since it is to become their Likeness , and bear their Image , which is Holiness . And had not the Apostles understood their Commission as I render it , when they had Baptized with Water , they would certainly have used the Terms that bore the Force of their Commission , viz. In the Name of the Father , and of the Son , and of the Holy Ghost ; of which there is not one Instance in all the Scripture . But that which further shews that Water cannot be understood , to be meant in the Apostolical Commission , is , that one of the Greatest of the Apostles , He that came behind ( and was added to , by ) none of them , denys It , 1 Cor. 1. 17. to be any Part of his Commission ; for , says he , Christ sent me not to Baptize but to preach the Gospel : And thanks God for that reason , in the foregoing Verses , that he had Baptized so few : Which to be sure he ought not to have done ; but on the Contrary to have been sorry he had Baptized no more , had Water-Baptism been Part of the Apostolical Commission , Mat. 28. 19. Again this Eminent Apostle , the Great Grand Father [ not to say God-Father ] of Gentile Christians , delivered to them for Doctrine , Eph. 4. 5. that there was but One Lord , One Faith , and One Baptism . And if so , That must be the Baptism of Fire and the Holy Ghost , which is Christ's Baptism , and Proper to the Gospel Dispensation . Now could any other make a Man a True Christian , or a Child of God then ; nor can any be so now without It. That Baptism therefore , without which a Man cannot be a True Jew , or Christian , or of the Circumcision made without hands , that Worship God in the Spirit , and hath no Confidence in the Flesh , must needs be the One Baptism ; but such is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost : Therefore the Spiritual Baptism is the Apostles One Baptism , Rom. 2. 28 , 29. Phil. 3. 3. Again ; the One Baptism must be Christ's Baptism , but Christ is the Baptism of the Spirit , therefore That , and not Water Baptism , must be the One Baptism that 's in force , according to the Apostle . As John was the Fore-runner of Christ , so was Water , of the Holy Ghost : But that which Fore-runs , in Nature Ceases , and that which succeeds , of course Remains : Therefore the Baptism of the Spirit , is the One Needful , and Permanent Baptism . Yet further ; If it be Gospel , That he is not a Jew that is one Outward , nor that Circumcision that is Outward in the Flesh ; but that he is a Jew that is one Inward , and that is Circumcision that is of the Heart , in the Spirit , and not in the Letter ; whose Praise is not of Men but of God , as Rom. 2. 28 , 29. Then unanswerably , He is not a Christian that is one Outward , nor is that Baptism that is of the Flesh : But he is a Christian that is one Inwardly , and that is Baptism that is of the Heart / in the Spirit ; whose Praise is not of Men but of God. For indeed in all Ages Men cry him down , as a Slighter of God's Ordinances ; but his Praise however is of God , let Men say what they will ; and this is the Inward Christians Comfort , in all Undervaluings and Reflexions he meets with from Outside Christians . For it 's not to be thought that the Apostle meant or designed to undervalue one Observation , as that of Circumcision , because it is Outward , and set up another Outward Observation instead of it , viz. Water-Baptism . Again , If in Christ Jesus , neither Circumcision availeth any thing , nor Uncircumcision , but a New Creature / as saith the same Apostle , Gal. 6. 15. Then by the same Reason , neither being baptized with Water availeth any thing , not being unbaptized with Water , but a New Creature . I will repeat the Apostles Discourse at large upon this Subject , in the same Chapter , because it is very Instructing , and seems Discissive in this Case ; As many , says he , as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh / they constrain you to be Circumcised ; only least they should suffer Persecution for the Cross of Christ . It seems they were Outside People , that laid stress upon Outside things ; or something else instead of the Cross of Christ ; for they Temporized in this matter , to shun the Shame and Persecution that then attended the Christians Cross : Which stood partly in laying down of outward Observations ; and which they that desire to make a fair shew in the Flesh stand most for . But the Apostle goes on ; For ( says he ) neither they themselves who are Circumcised keep the Law , but desire to have you Circumcised , that they may Glory in your Flesh . They were not exact in the other parts of the Law , it seems , as strict as they seemed to be for this Sacramental Practice , which is the Case of too many now : Yet they prest it , that they might glory and value themselves upon gaining others to be conformable to them , whether to excuse their Compliance with Custom , that they might avoid Persecution , or out of love to Ceremonial Religion . But says that clear-sighted and plain-dealing Apostle , God forbid that I should glory , save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ , whereby the World is Crucified unto me , and I unto the World. If he rejoyced in nothing but in the Cross of Christ , then in no other Elementary Rite , Service or Ordinance , any more than in Circumcision . But he proceeds : For in Christ Jesus , neither Circumcision availeth any thing , nor Uncircumcision , but a New Creature . That is to say , for according to Christ Jesus , or in the Religion of Christ Jesus , neither Circumcision nor Uncircumcision availeth , but a New Creature , a regenerate Soul ; One born again by the Spirit of God : For the Apostle in these excellent Words , not only strikes at Circumcision , but all Outward and Elementary Observations : Neither This , nor That Outward thing availeth in the Christian Religion , or according to Christ Jesus , but a New Creature : He does not say , but Water Baptism , as some would have it , who tell us that It succeeds Circumcision by Divine Institution , by no means : But that which availeth with Christ , and in the Rel●gion of Christ Jesus , is a New Creature , a ●ew Man , one Changed , Regenerated , or Born gain by the Word and Baptism of the Holy Ghost . And says the Apostle ( to confirm ●hem in this Doctrine of Inward Circumci●ion , that is of the Heart , in the Spirit ; which ●s the same thing with the Baptism of the Spirit ) As many as walk according to this Rule , Peace shall be upon them . So that We the ●oor despised Quakers , take Comfort in this Apostolical Benediction , and can say to God's Glory , his Peace has been upon Us in our Belief and Confession of this blessed Doc●rine of the New Creature . It is what we have Aimed at , and has been the great Drift of our Testimony since we were a People ; and in order to it have directed all to the Gift of God's Grace in themselves , that by believing in it , and resigning up their Wills and Affections , and whole Man to the Teaching and Conduct of it , they may be leavened and sanctified by it , throughout ; by which the State of the New Creature , which is Christianity indeed , will be Experienced , though It was and is a Mystery to the World. As for the Apostle Peter's Question , Acts 10. 47 , 48. Can any Man forbid Water , that These should not be Baptized , which have received the Holy Ghost as well as We ? It Imports , with submission , no more than this ; That Peter well knowing the Narrowness of his Country Mens Spirits , was Cautious lest his Latitude should Distaste them : For the Gentiles being Unholiness to the Jews , and even Peter himself , without a Vision from God , too narrow Spirited for the Convictions and Devotion of that excellent Centurion , Cornelius ; It behoved him to ask if any body had any thing to say , Why they might not be baptised as well as the Jews , being Proselites to the Christian Profession . In all which he seems more concerned to save his Own Credit , than to recommend or establish that of Water Baptism : As if he had said , Why should this Custom be forbid to the Gentiles more than to the Jews ? But this will not warrant the Practice in General , because Practice is no Institution , and that their appears no Command to make It one . So that asking who can forbid what was not commanded , strengthens his Question instead of weakening it ; since what was done of Condescention , could not have been forbid upon Authority . There needed not so much Care or Strickness in the Matter . And indeed , the Apostles themselves seem not to have been so clear about the abolishing of the Jewish Observations , as appears by the want Peter had of a Vision , his own apprehension of the straightness of his Brethren , and their calling him to Account for what he had done , as may be seen in the same Chapter . But I confess I cannot see why the Bishop should assume the Power of Unchristianing Us , for not practising of that which he himself practices so unscripturally , and that according to the Sentiments of a considerable part of Christendom ; having not one Text of Scripture to prove that Sprinkling of Water in the Face , was the Water Baptism , or that Children were the Subjects of Water-Baptism , in the first times . And yet this is all the Baptism the Bishop practices , who seems so severe upon us . I think our forbearing of Water Baptism from a Belief and Sense of the coming of the Invisible Grace , signified by that Visible Sign , cannot be reputed such a slight to Water Baptism , as presuming to alter the Manner and Substance of its first Institution : For then it was in the River of Jordan , now in a Bason ; it was then unto Repentance , now to Children Uncapable of Repentance . But that which perhaps misled the Doctors of the Declining Church first into this Practice , being at the distance of some Hundreds of Years from the Apostolical Times , might be the supposition that Water Baptism came in the place of Circumcision , and that being to Children , so might Water Baptism too . But they forgot ( among other things , which even before that time were crept into the Church , without Precept or Evangelical Example ) that Repentance was not made a Condition to Circumcision , at it was to Water-Baptism . I would beseech the Bishop to tread softly in this Matter ; for if Water Baptism should indeed prove a Badge of Christianity , he would be at a loss for one that would pass currant in Scripture . Thus much for this Point . What I have said upon this Head of Water Baptism may serve also for what is commonly called the Lord's Supper , which the Bishop Reproves us for Omitting to Practice : Urging Luke 22. 19. This do in Remembrance of me . And the Apostles words , 1. Cor. 11. 24. 25. It is true indeed Christ said , when he eat it with his Disciples . That they should do it in remembrance of him till he came . And this seems much more of the Nature of a Commission than that cited by the Bishop for Water Baptism : But the Limitation Christ ●ives to the Practice of it , and a Right and ●roper Consideration of the Import of his ●ords , and the Nature of the thing will best ●ad us to undestand his Mind therein . 1st , This was also a Jewish Practice , as ●ell as Water Baptism , and so in Nature of ●o Gospel Institution , but Temporary in its ●se . 2dly , Christ seems by this to break or ●pen to them what was so hard for them to ●ear , to wit , his Departure and Death , by a ●oken of Memorial till he should come to ●hem again . 3dly , Christ takes occasion from thence ●o shew forth to his Disciples the Mystical Supper they should eat , and the Fellowship ●hey should have with him when he came again . Now we believe this Coming was Spiritual , suitable to that saying of his , I will drink no more of This Fruit of the Vine till I drink it New with you in the Kingdom of my Father : And some here shall not taste of Death till they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom , Matth. 16. 28. Again , He that dwelleth with you shall be in you , John 14. I in them and they in me , Chap. 17. All which plainly Imports a Spiritual Coming . Also Rev. 3. 20. Behold I stand at the Door and knock , if any Man hear my Voice , and open the Door , I will come into him , and will sup with him and he with me , which was said near Fourty Years after his Ascention . Now since this is acknowledged to be an Outward Sign of an Inward and Invisible Grace , what can Outward Bread and Wine more properly Signifie and Resemble , than Inward Bread and Wine ? And an Outward than an Inward Supper ? And if so , the words may reasonably be read thus , Eat this Supper of Outward Bread and Wine , till I come into and sup with you , and be your Supper , that am the Bread and Wine from Heaven which Nourishes the Soul unto Eternal Life . 4thly . The Kingdom of God being Spiritual and in the Soul , such should be the Ordinances of that Kingdom . Now Christ tells the Pharisees , Luke 17. 20. The Kingdom of God is within . And the Apostle Paul , Rom. 14. 17. saith , The Kingdom of God is not Meat and Drink / but Righteousness / and Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost : But the outward Supper is Meat and Drink , and therefore not of the Kingdom of God which is not Meat and Drink / but Righteousness / Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost . And this was made Use of by Christ in the State of Humiliation , before his Death , and the pouring forth of the Holy Ghost , to fasten upon his Disciples that were weak , and of little Faith , the Remembrance of him till they should know him with them and in them by his Spiritual Appearance ( as he was the Lord from Heaven , the Quickning Spirit ) according to his Promise . For if the Scripture be consulted , we shall not only find that Christ Reproves the Apostles for their Infide●ity in him , but after all the Example , Precepts and Miracles they saw by him , and that he had so very lately left them with such Assurances of his Coming to them again ; yet when Mary , &c. brought them the Tidings of his Resurrection , it is said , Luke 24. 10 , 11. Their words seemed to the Disciples as Idle Tales , and they believed them not . Which sufficiently shews the low State they were in , or that at least they needed a Sign or Token , as that of the Supper to Commemorate Him. But this Reason , which is yet true , does not Credit its Continuation ; for when the Spirit was come , or Christ in his Spiritual Appearance , their Eyes were opened and they saw then it was the Spirit that Quickens , the Flesh profiteth nothing . John 6. 63. 5thly , Most certainly Christ meant no less , when he Preach'd himself the Bread that came down from Heaven , John 6. 31 to 52 , and that they that would have Life Eternal , must eat his Flesh and drink his Blood : That is , they must feed upon Spiritual Food : Not the Outward but Inward Supper ; the thing signified and Substance it self . For Christ opposes Himself , who is the Bread of God , to the Bread their Fathers eat in the Wilderness who were Dead , which was of an Elementary Nature ; therefore it can never be that such Bread as perisheth should be the Bread of the Evangelical Supper , when Christ by Companion undervalues it to the Bread he had to give them . 6thly , Our blessed Lord , Mark 7. 18. taught , That it was not that which went into the Man that defileth the Man , because it went but into his Body , and not into his Heart ; and if so , the Argument is undeniable , that it is not that wich goeth into the Man , that is , into his Body , and not into his Heart , that Sanctifieth the Man : But Material Bread and Wine goeth only into the Body , and not into the Heart ; therefore they cannot Sanctifie . The Import of Christ's words is plainly this , Meats and Drinks neither Defile nor Sanctifie ; they neither Benefit nor Harm any one upon a Spiritual Account : Consequently Elementary Bread and Wine cannot be the Evangelical Supper , but a Figure of It , which is ended in Christ the Bread of God , that cometh down from Heaven , John 6. 31 , 32 , 48 , 49 , 50. That a Man may eat of and not dye : The Substance of all Shadows ; for saith the Apostle , the Body is of Christ ; and where that is , our Lord tells us , Luke 13. 37. the Engles are gathered together : Where the Apostles ; Wise Men , 1 Cor. 10. 15. seek for the true Supper , which nourishes their Souls unto Eternal Life . 7thly , But the Bishop will have this Supper four times repeated in the Scripture of the New Testament , besides that of the Apostle Paul , which must be his mistake — since there is no Command to practice it beyond that very Time , but in Luke 22. 19. If there it self . For tho' his Eating of the Passover is there related , as also in Mark and Luke , It was but once done ; and the Command , this do in Remembrance of me , is only Once Related among the Evangelists , as well as it is but Once Commanded . And would we be strict with the Bishop , we need not allow him that Command to reach further than the present Time in which it was Given ; for This Do , or Take Eat , are Equally in the present Tence , for thereby you shew forth my Death . And the following words , viz. I will Drink no more of This Fruit of the Vine , until that Day when I Drink it New with you in my Father's Kingdom , Mat. 26. 29. further explains it . Thus Mark has it , 14. 25. Verily I say unto you , I will Drink no more of the Fruit of the Vine until that Day that I Drink it New in the Kingdom of God. Luke 22. 18. gives it thus , I say unto you , I will not Drink of the Fruit of the Vine till the Kingdom of God shall come . Now it is plain that Christ refers them to the Spiritual Supper , which we Prefer and Practice , and which is the Supper Signified by That of outward Bread and Wine , that was to serve till the Kingdom of God came , and then he would Communicate with them in a way Suitable to the Kingdome : which Kingdom , as before said , is not Meat and Drink , but Righteousness , Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost . And as the same Apostle has it , 1 Cor. 4. 20. The Kingdom of God is not in Word but in Power ; of which Power , and its coming from on High upon the Apostles , Read Acts 1. 6 , 7 , 8. For when they asked Christ , Lord wilt thou at this time Restore the Kingdom again to Israel , and that he told them , 't was not for them to know the Times or the Seasons which the Father had put in his own Power . He also adds , But ye shall receive Power after the Holy Ghost is come upon you , and ye shall be Witnesses unto me , both in Jerusalem and Judea , and in Samaria , and in the uttermost Parts of the Earth . This Power was the Kingdom of God , for it stands in Power , says the Apostle ; but it seems he thought fit to wave their Question , as to a direct Answer , and left it a Secret to be revealed unto them , when the Holy ghost should Come , and the Power from on High should fall upon them : And thus he takes his leave of them , and is Immediately received by a Cloud out of their Sight . Before I conclude with this Paragraph , I would observe , First , that it was the Passover and Custom of the Jews , which properly speaking , we conceive hath no just plea to continue as a Gospel Ordinance or Institution ; since it was a Type of Him to come , & therefore ended , as to Institution by his coming . Secondly , That the Evangelist John , the Beloved Disciple , that lay in the Bosom of Christ , does not so much as mention It , or Water Baptism , as left by Christ to be continued by his Followers , Concerning the Spirit 's Baptism , tho' he uses not the word Baptism , yet he is very full , John 14 , 16 , 17. Chapters , where he tells them , that he would send them the Comforter the Spirit of Truth , to lead them into all Truth , and that he would dwell with them for ever . I say It seems very Improbable if not Incredible , that what the Bishop stiles the Badges of Christianity in his 17th Paragraph , should be wholly forgotten by so great an Apostle of Christianity . 3dly . And as the Beloved Disciple says nothing of these visible Signs , which the Bishop calls the Badges of Christianity , so neither are they made an Article of any of the Ancient Creeds Extant , which certainly does not make for their Credit or Authority : Since had they then been of that Importance they are now by some esteemed , we cannot think they would have been forgot by the Compilers of those Creeds . 4ly . The Apostle Paul , though he repeats the Tradition he received of the Lord's Supper , that night he was betrayed , does not Injoyn it ; but as often as the Corinthians did it , he tells them they should do it in remembrance of Christ : Which is far from commanding it , as it would be for the Bishop , if he should say to his Friend , as often as he comes to Cork he should come and Eat with him , obliges that Person to come often to Cork . So that tho' the Apostle bids them , that as often as they did it , they should do it in Remembrance of Christ , yet he does not thereby bid them do it often , if at ail . 5ly . And whereas the Bishop would make it a fresh Revelation to the Apostle , when he says for I have received of the Lord , that which also I delivered unto you , I must dissent from him . I cannot apprehend that means any more than this , that what account he had received of Christ's Eating the Supper with his Disciples , the Night he was Betrayed , the same also he had Delivered unto them : For what need could there be of an Immediate Revelation for so late a Fact , so well Witnessed by the Disciples ? But if my Reader will peruse that Part of the Chapter which relates to the Supper , he will find the Stress lies upon Remembring of the Lord , which is indeed our Daily , Indispensible Duty , and he that lives without it , may be said to live without God in the World ; of which those Corinthians at that time seemed to Insensible , and as such are severely reproved by the Apostle , being Irreverent , Greedy and Drunken , hardly fit for the Sign , and less able to discern the Thing Signified . 6ly . Nor does the Apostle seem to recommend this practice , but rather reprehend their Abuse of it ; and if my Reader will look back to the foregoing Chapter , from the beginning to die 18 Verse , he may find a more Spiritual Supper , and Mystical Bread and Cup hinted at by the Apostle , as well as Mat. 26. 29. Rev. 3. 20. by our Lord Jesus Christ himself : Which is indeed very copiously exprest by Luke in the Parable of the Supper , chap. 14. from the 16. to die . 24. Verse , where One that was at Meat with Christ , speaking of the Blessedness of eating of Bread in the Kingdom of God , Christ takes occasion to shew forth the Gospel Supper by a Parable , viz. A Certain Man made a Great Supper , and bid many , but they refused , upon divers pretences , and came not ; He sent out a second and third time to invite an inferiour sort of Guests , and they came to the Supper ; that is , they received the Gospel , which is the Power of God to Salvation , and the evidence , as Well as means of It : Which Christ in the 27th verse further expresses , thus ( viz. ) and whosoever doth not bear my Cross and follow me cannot be my Disciple . Now the Cross of Christ , the same Apostle also says , is the Power of God , 1 Cor. 1. 18. all which referrs to an Inward and Spiritual Work , and Supper , and that they who receive Christ in Spirit , Sup with him in Spirit , being the partakers of his Spiritual Supper , which Christ promises and prepares for all those that open at his knocks the Door of their Hearts unto him , Rev. 3. 7ly . But besides what I have said , both from Scripture and the Nature of the thing , in Proof of Christ's Spiritual Supper and Defense of our disuse of the visible Sign , the Bishop himself does the same thing in relation to another Ordinance : For our Lord Jesus Christ did as solemnly Command his Disciples to wash one anothers Feet , as to eat the Supper . The Passage is large and edifying , and I must recommend it to my Reader to peruse in his Bible , John 13. But that part of it which more strictly concerns this point , between the Bishop and me , I shall repeat here , verse 12 , 13 , 14 , 15. So after he had washed their Feet , and taken his Garments and was set down again ; He said unto them , Know ye what I have done to you ? Ye call me Master and Lord ; and ye say well ; for so I am , If I then , your Lord and Master , have washed your Feet , ye also ought to wash one anothers Feet : For I have given you an Example that ye should do as I have done to you . Thus Christ Commanded his Disciples , not only by his Authority but Example . Now does the Bishop and his Friends follow Christ's example and obey this Precept ? He and they know they do not . What must I Infer from thence , that the Bishop is no Christian ? I suppose he would take it very ill from me . Tho' he has treated me and my Friends after that sort . But I will shew him a better example , and suppose he thinks , that if Christian Ministers and People , walk Humbly towards God and one with another , they fulfil this Commandment , tho' they disuse the Sign , by which the Lord Jesus exprest and recommended Humility to his Followers : Now that which excuses the Bishop in reference to this Ordinance of Washing of Feet , will also excuse our disuse of the Supper , viz. Our eating of the Spiritual Bread and Wine of the Kingdom ; the Thing Signified by the Outward Supper . But it is an Error incident to srail Man , to prefer the Practice of those things that have a Shew of Religion , and have least of Uneasiness , and of the Nature of the Cross of Christ in their Performance . Just thus it is easier to receive the Supper than to be Humble , if not easier than to wash Feet : For one is but a Memorial of Christ , but the other perhaps is a Reproach of present Practice , and to be sure a Command to Mortification and Self-denial , the hardest Lesson in Religion . And who knows but for the Reason it has been dropt so long ; since it must be very uneasie for People to continue a Custom , to which their Daily Practice is so visible a Contradiction : Though I hear the Roman Bishop ●●mocks the Text Once a Year . 8ly . But in Relation to the Supper , we farther say , the Practice is varied : Then they Sat , ●ow one sort Stands , another Walks , a third Kneels , a fourth Lies down upon the Ground , as in the East Countries . The Romans have one Opinion , the Greeks another , and the Lutherans and Calvinists Divide , to great Bitterness , in their Sentiments about It. 9ly . Again , in those Days they were Disciples , such as followed Christ , now all are admitted that profess Christianity , tho' they do not follow him or forsake any thing for his Name sake , or keep any of his Holy Precepts , Matth. 5 , 6 , 7 Chapters . 10ly . Nor is this all we have to say to Justifie our Disuse of this Practice ; It is too much Look'd at , and Relied upon by the People : And indeed is become a kind of Protestant Extream Unction ; for if the Generality of them can but have it administred just before they Die , they are too apt to presume upon it for an acceptance in the other World. And indeed it is very frequent , if not natural , for many Men to excuse their Disobedience by Sacrifice ; and where Ceremonies or Shadowy Services are continued , People rest upon their observance of them , and Indulge themselves in the Neglect of the Doctrine of the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ . I need not look far , nor yet the Bishop for a proof of what I say ; we can hardly miss , which way soever we throw out Eyes , the more is the pity : And as this is no small Abuse of Primitive Practice , so no small Argument for our disuse of it . For when the Brazen Serpent was over-valued by the Jews , God , that had commanded It , for their benefit , stirred up Hezekiah to Destroy it . 11ly . Besides , these things are become matter of Gain , and made a Sacerdotal Revenue , not to say Merchandize ; which has also helpt to Scandalize People to Tender Consciences , who think it a Prophanation of Religion to suffer any part of it to be Excised to the People that ought to be Free. 12ly . But passing that by at present , and supposing Water Baptism and the Supper were not Antiquated , but still in Force , Who is there Qualified to Administer them ? Who has received a Commission , or the Mind of the Holy Ghost , and Power from on High to perform these things ? For if those that hold they are in Force , have no Divine Force or Authority to qualifie them to Administer them , there will be but a Lifeless Imitation , instead of an Edifying Reality . Which ●eads me to what I promised long since , That I would at the Close of this Discourse ●ay something of the True Ground of our Difference and Dissent . I say then , that where we are supposed to ●iffer most , we differ least ; and where we ●re believed to differ least , we most of all differ : Which I explain thus . It 's generally thought , that we do not hold the Common Doctrines of Christianity , but have Introduced New and Erroneous Ones in lieu thereof : Whereas we plainly and entirely Believe the Truths contained in the Creed that is commonly called the Apostles ; which is very Comprehensive as well as Ancient . But that which hath affected our Minds most , and engaged us in this Separation , was the great Carnality and Emptiness both of Ministers and People , under their Profession of Religion : They having hardly the Form of Godliness , but generally speaking , denying the Power thereof ; from whom , the Scripture warns Believers to turn away . Next Ministers being made such , and preaching , and the People worshipping without the Spirit , confining the Operations of it , to the First or Apostolical Times , as if these did not want them , as much , or that Christ would be less Propitious , where his Gifts were not less needful . I say , an Humane and Lifeless Ministry and Worship , together with the great Wordliness of Professors , have occasioned our Separation ; and the Persecution that has commonly followed it , hath abundantly confirmed our Judgment In that Matter . Hence it was we Retired our selves to wait upon God together , according to the Gift of his Holy Spirit , and as the Apostle Paul exhorted the Athenians Acts 17. We felt after him ( with our Souls ) if by any means we might find him , and hear what God the Lord would say unto us ; who speaks Peace unto his People and his Saints , but let them never turn to folly any more . We could not , I say , tell how to think that such as God had never sent , but run of themselves , and were made Ministers by Humane Learning and Authority , not knowing the Work of the Spirit to their own Regeneration , could possibly Profit or Edifie the People unto their Regeneration : And yet that is the very Work and End of the true Gospel Ministry , for no Man can guide another in the way he never trod . Besides , we apprehended the Ministry was ●ery much a Temporal Preferment , and there●ore few were to be found among them , that ●●d not court the Better Places , I mean those ●●at gave the Greatest Pay ; and by those ●ethods mounted to Worldly Wealth and ●onour , as the rest of the World did : Turn●●g Alms into Dues and by Law , making ●ifts Rents ; and vexing those extreamly , ●●at for Conscience sake could not uphold ●●em : Which we thought very Foreign to Primitive and an Apostolical Spirit ; and ●ort of a True and Through Reformation . This is not said with any disrespect to their ●ersons , or yet Calling , simply Considered ; for ●e that desires the Office of a Bishop , certainly ●esires a good thing ; but the Holy Ghost in ●hose days , had the Making of them ; and the ●ood thing then was their Service , and not ●evenue or Worldly Dignity . They were then ●ot only no Lords ( one being their Lord ) ●ut they lorded it not over God's Clergy or He●itage , which was the People in those days , ●or ●o the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies , tho' it is now ●●scribed only to the Ministry . Then the Ground of Prophesie , or Ministry , was the Revelation of the Spirit , in those ancient Assemblies , as may be read 1 Cor. 14. 29 , 30 , 31 , 32. For all might Prophecy , that is , Preach as the Spirit of God moved upon their Spirit , and gave them utterance , be it to Reproof , Instruction , or Consolation : Now Study , Collection and Memory . In those Days they Preach'd their Own Experience of die Work of God upon their Hearts , but most now Preach of the Experiences of Others , recorded in Scriptures , but according to their own and others . Humane Apprehensions . To be brief , we Ground our Conviction , Conversion , Ministry , Prayer , and Praise upon the Light and Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ , as the Powerful and Effectual Spring of our Religious Performances , and that alone which prepares the Soul , and Enables it to Perform those respective Services and Duties in a Manner Acceptable to God. And that Ministry and Worship which stands not in the Spirit , and is not performed in the Preparation and Inspiration thereof , but according to the Compilings , Traditions and Precepts of Men , we cannot allow to be Primitive and Evangelical , and consequently cannot join in them . And we are satisfied that it is the good Pleasure of God , that all who profess the Name of his Dear , and Only Begotten , and Well-beloved Son , should Acquaint themselves with the Spirit of His Son in their own Hearts , in its Reproof Instruction , Conviction , and Consolation , that they may become Spiritually Minded , such as mind Spiritual Things more than Earthly Ones ; and that Daily sow to the Spirit ; that is , bring forth the Fruits of the Spirit , and become the Children of God , who are led by the Spirit of God. Now the Fruit of the Spirit is Love , Joy , Peace , Long-suffering , Gentleness , Goodness , Faith , Meekness , Temperance : Against such there is no Law. And they that are Christ's have Crucified the Flesh , with the Affections and Lusts thereof . But the Works of the Flesh are manifest which are these , Adultery , Fornication , Uncleanness , Lasciviousness , Idolatry , Witchcraft , Hatred , Variance , Emulations , Wrath , Strife , Seditions , Heresies , Envyings , Murder , Drunkenness , Revilings and such like : Of which I told you before , as also in time past , that they which do such things shall not Inherit the Kingdom of God , Rom. 8. 6. 14. Gal. 5. 16. to 24. Chap. 6. 7. 8. And under these Marks , and Directions all People may examine themselves , and know their Birth , Family and Inheritance , whether they are the off-spring of God , and true Christians , or Children of the Evil One : Those that are born of the Spirit , for whom is reserved an Inheritance With the Saints in Light , or the Seed of Evil Doers , for whom is reserved the Blackness of Darkness for ever . And truly it seems just with God , that those who love Darkness better than Light in this World , should have their Fill of It in the next ; from which , God Almighty redeem Thee , Reader , that thou mayst walk in his blessed Light , as he is in the Light , then thou wilt have fellowship with the Children of Light , and the Blood of Jesus Christ ( the Great Atonement ) shall Cleanse the from All Sin , 1 John 1. 5 , 6 , 7. yea , from the filthiness both of Flesh and Spirit ; and being sanctified throughout in Body and Spirit ; thou mayst live to serve God in the Newness of his holy Spirit , Rom. 7. 6. and come to be made a New Man ; that is an other Man. From a Proud , an Humble Man ; from a Passionate , a Patient Man ; from a Rough , a Meek Man ; and of a Cruel , Covetous , Unjust , Lascivious , Intemperate , Vain and Ungodly Man ; thou becomest a Merciful , Liberal , Just , Chast , Sober and Godly Man : And where this Change , this New Birth , or New Creature is not known , Sacrifices avail nothing , Religion is but Formality and the Peace of God will never be their Recompence of Reward . But they that walk after this blessed unerring Rule of the New Creature , Peace be on them , and Mercy , and upon the Israel of God , Gal. 6. 15 , 16. who are the Circumcision made Without Hands , in putting off the Body of the Sins of the Flesh , by the Circumcision of Christ , Col. 3. 11. even that of the Heart , in the Spirit , whole Praise is not of Men but of God , Rom. 2. 29. And who therefore Worship God in the Spirit , and have no Confidence in the Flesh , Phil. 3. 3. that is , in fleshly Ordinances , or the observation of Figures and Signs compounded of Outward Elements , which represent Heavenly Things : Wherefore the Apostle Exhorted and Commanded , Col. 2. 16 , 17. Let no Man Judge you in Meat or in Drink or in respect of an Holy Day &c. which are Shadows of things to Come , but the Body is of Christ ; that is , Christ is the Substance of all outward representations , and they that have Christ have the End of all those things : Whom Reader we Labour and Pray , may be better known , received and obeyed by the Professors of his holy Name and Religion . That as he is Given of God to be our Priest , Prophet and King , we may all Know Feel and Enjoy him such in our selves , and then the Kingdom of God will be come in us , and his will done in our Earth as it is in Heaven : Which God Grant , I most Humbly beseech him . For the Conclusion of the Bishop's Paper , it is either Repitition , or Reflection ; the one needs no Answer , and the other wants a Defence . However , I will not have it said that I either wave or suppress It , and therefore without any Reflection I will consider his : Which should have no weight with my Reader but against him . He says in his 12 Paragraph , He pities us , thinking many of us Harmless and Well-meaning , but under the Power of strong Delusions . And in his 13 Paragraph he gives us his sence of the cause thereof , viz. that we make the Light within , a Rule of Faith and Practice , Co-ordinate , if not Superiour and Antecedent to the Holy Scripture . To prove which to be our Sentiment , he cites these words out of our Gospel-Truths , where speaking of the Holy Spirit , and the Scriptures , we say , they are the Double and Agreeing Record of true Religion . Now if the Light and Spirit agree with the Scripture , there is no fear of contradicting the Scripture , and so we can have nothing to answer for on account of that Expression , for what agrees with the Scripture , establishes it , instead of Slighting or Superceeding the Authority of it . And though we used no such words as Co-ordinate , much less Superiour and Antecedent , which is the Bishop's Gloss to render our most True and In-offensive Expression suspected , and make way to fasten his supposed Strong Delusions upon us ; I will be very frank with him in this matter , that we Believe the Scripture to be the Declaration of the Mind of the Holy Ghost , and therefore not Superiour to the Holy Ghost , but Credited , Confirmed , and Expounded by the Holy Ghost ; so that without the Illumination of It , the Scripture cannot be understood by them that read It. The Grammatical and Critical Sense of the Words and Allusions therein may be understood , but the Inside and Spiritual Signification of them , is a Riddle to those that are not Spiritually instructed therein , tho' they were never such Grammarians or Linguists . Again Christ says , He that loves the Light brings his Deeds to the Light , to see if they are wrought in God , John 3. 21. which was before the New Testament Scripture was in being ; and this makes It both Rule and Judge of the Life and Deeds of Men. What says the Bishop to this ? Also John 14 , 15 , 16 Chapters , Christ promises the Spirit to lead them , his People , into all Truth , and this was not the Scripture , but something at least Co-ordinate , if not Superiour and Antecedent to the Scripture , which is more than we said before . Also the Apostle Paul tells the Romans , Ch. 8. that as many as are led by the Spirit of God , they are the Sons of God ; Then the Spirit is to Lead Believers , or they cannot be the Children of God. And that which Leads , Rules , and that which Rules is a Rule to them that follow it . And the same Apostle referr'd the Galathians , Chap. 6. 15 , 16. to the Rule of the New Creature to walk by , and that must be the Spirit which begets the New Creature , viz. Christ formed in them , of whom he tells them , Chap. 14. 19. He travelled in Birth again . And the Beloved Disciple expresly says to the Christians in his First Epistle , Chap. 2. 20. that they had an Unction from the Holy One , and they knew all things / that is , all things they had to Believe , Know and Practice . And Verse 27. he adds , But the Anointing which ye have received abideth in you , and ye need not that any Man teach you , but as the same Anointing teacheth you of All things , and is Truth . If the Bishop will break through all these Scriptures to undervalue the Light and Spirit of Christ ( for no other Light or Spirit do we Assert , Recommend People to , or Contend for ) that he might render us Guilty of Strong Delusions , I cannot help it , but must be truly sorry for him . But I beseech him to have a care that he does not , like the Jews of old , Undervalue , and indeed Blaspheme against the Holy Light and Spirit of God , and by miscalling the Fruits and Effects of its Power , Strong Delusions and Transformations of Satan : For God will not hold such Guiltless in his Great and Terrible Day of Judgment . And after all , the Best and First Reformers and Martyrs , as well as Fathers , Concur in our Assertion and Testimony . As Zuinglius , Luther , Melanchton , Calvin , Beza , Bucer , Peter Martyr , and Erasmus too . Also our own Excellent Martyrs , viz. Lambert , Rogers , Philpot , Bradford , Hooper , Woodman , &c. that the Double and Agreeing Testimony of the Spirit of God within , and the Scripture of Truth without , is the Rule and Judge of Faith , Doctrine and Practice ; yea that the Spirit is given to Believers to be the Rule and Judge by which they are to understand the true Sense and Meaning of the Scriptures . Now let the Reader judge who gives the Truest Honour to the Scripture , the Bishop , or the People called Quakers ? They say the Scriptures have a Double Record , that is , the Evidence of the Spirit of Truth in the Hearts of Believers , as well as their Own : Or the Bishop , who by his way of Treating us and our Principle , will allow us no other Evidence of their Truth , but Themselves . For to say the Evidence of the Spirit of God , with that of the Scripture , make a Double and agreeing Testimony is with him to undervalue the Scripture , and the Ground , in his Apprehension , of our Strong Delusions . It must be my turn now to pity the Bishop , and truly I do it with all my Heart , to see him strain so Sound , as well as Inoffensive an Expression , as that which he makes the Reason of our Delusion , that he might have an occasion to lessen our Credit with the Professors of Christianity , and especially Protestants . Can it Dishonour the Scripture to deny the Evidence of the Principal and Author of the Scripture , to back the Authority of the Scripture ? Or doth not he rather lessen the Authority of Scripture , that will not allow us another Evidence of the Truth of Scripture than its own , for fear of Co-ordinacy , which was not so much as once intended to be insinuated by us , nor do the words import any such thing ; yet it had been no strong , nor any Delusion at all to give the Holy Ghost the Preference . But I shall keep to the Terms of the Paper , whatever the Bishop is pleased to do ; knowing that whoever Concludes an Argument in terms not in the Question , nor plainly deduceable from the Premises , is not a fair Dealer in Controversie : In which the Bishop , if he pleases , may reasonably enough think himself more than once concerned . Blessed be God we have known the Power and Efficiency of this Holy Light and Spirit of Christ in our selves , and being in good measures Witnesses thereof , we do not only speak by Report , but by Experience . We had the Scriptures in the Days of our Ignorance and Worldly-mindedness , but disregarding the Reproofs and Instruction of the Light of Jesus in our Hearts , we never could come to know the Power of those Truths the Scripture declares of . But when it pleased God , in the Riches of his Love , to cause his blessed Light , that had shined in Darkness , and the Darkness comprehended it not , to shine out of Darkness , and gives us the Knowledge of himself in the Face ( or through the Manifestation ) of his Son Jesus Christ , we saw and bewailed our selves , and by an unfeigned Sorrow and Repentance , returned as Penitent Prodigals towards our Fathers House ; and in this Turn , we were brought to die daily to that Love and Satisfaction we once had in the Glory , Pleasures , Honours , Friendships and Diversions of the World , which now became Burdensome , more than ever they were pleasing to us . Hence it was , and from no Sinister Ends , or Self-righteous Conceits , that we became an altered and a distinguished People , in our Behaviour , Garb and Conversation : More Retired , Watchful , Silent and Plain , than formerly , equally avoiding Luxury and Avarice . I say , it was the Work of God's Spirit upon our Hearts , who by his Light gave us to see the just difference of things , and to distinguish between that which pleased Him , and that which pleased Him not . And this Holy Pattern he gave us in the Light of his beloved Son , which we design to follow , as did the Holy Ancients ; and is a full Answer to the Bishop's Unfriendly Queries upon our distinguishing Behaviour , in his 14th and 15th Paragraph , as if it were not out of Fear towards God , or upon a Conscientious Bottom , but to serve a worldly Turn ? For he asks us Is it not your main Aim , End and Study , by pretended Mortifications , to make your selves a Party Considerable ? Again , Are not to this Purpose your different Garb , Speech , Looks and Gestures , and to make your selves remarkable , rather than out of a Sense of Duty , or Conscience of Obligation ? Which , as it is the worst Construction that the most Irreligious and Prophane could make upon our Behaviour , so I beseech God to forgive the Bishop , and make him sensible how little such Treatment of strict & sober Living advances the Common Cause of Religion , and how much it indulges those that know no Reins or Check to their Excesses in his own Church . But to go no farther than the Bishop and his Clergy , pray who distinguish themselves more by their Garb from other People then they ? Tho' I cannot say as much of their Behaviour . So indeed did the Chemerims or black Coats of old , and Those that wore long Robes in our Saviours time , but as I take it , they went not without his Censure , while I think the Bishop will find none in Scripture against our Plainness . But the Bishops Pontifical Robes , do in my Opinion look much more like Singularity and a Sight than ours ; for our Garb is like other Mens , only freed of their Superfluity . In short I wish him a better Understanding of the true Grounds of our stricter Conduct , and Where and Who they are that make a Trade of Religion ; that if he has any Shot left against Mercinary Religionists , he may not miss the Mark next time , but may make it his main Aim , End and Study , to Expose Hirelings and Hypocrites in their Proper Colours : And some are of Opinion he need not go far to find too many of them . It is strange the Bishop should be so unsensible of the Advantage he gives me by his Queries , and what a wide Door he opens to a severe Retaliation ; but my desire to be Modest , and to be Silent upon such Advantages , is , I think , to be abundantly so . Howbeit , I must take Notice of one Expression , for it may too seriously affect us not to be observed to him . When he asks , If it be not our main End and Study , by pretended Mortifications , to make our selves a Party Considerable ? He adds , and such to which , for Reasons of State / Peculiar Priviledges must be indulged . If this were not more than Mockery , I should wave my Notice ; but calling the meaning of the Government in Question about the Liberty of Conscience we enjoy , He must forgive me if I bestow a few Remarks upon that Expression . It seems then our Liberty flows not from the Inclination of the Government to Liberty , less from Compassion , and least of all from Justice and a Christian Principle . Which Motives carry with them a Prospect of the Continuance of Liberty , if not for Liberties sake . But the Bishop believes no such thing , and if he would not have us of his mind , he did weakly to tell us so . Well then , we are all of us to take his Advertisement , that our Liberty hangs but by slender Threads , and a Reason of State , and not of Nature , Right or Christianity ; which certainly is not to bespeak this Considerable Party to the advantage of the Government : And for which I think the Bishop a very moderate States-man , and the Government as little beholding to his Politicks as we are to his Charity . However , we will have a better Opinion of our Superiors Regards to Liberty , and conclude that their Inclination equals their Discretion , and that their Judgment as well as Prudence is of that side . Let the Bishop say what he pleases . And tho' he deserves it not at my Hands , I could almost perswade my self to think that he does not begrudge us , and means not so loosly as he writes . But be it as it will , That God that has upheld us by hit free Spirit to this Day , through many and great Afflictions , we firmly believe will suffer nothing to attend us , that shall not in the Conclusion work for his Glory and our Good , if we continue stedfast to the End , in the blessed way of Righteousness , wherein he has so often and signally Owned and Preserved us ; notwithstanding the Violence of Open Enemies , and the Treacherous and Restless Endeavours of False Friends . His 16th Paragraph multiplies Reflection , as before observed , and Repeats what I have already largely answered ; particularly that we own the Christian Faith , which he makes us to Wave , Suppress , or at least not to Confess ; and have express'd it even in the Paper , he has faulted so much of Shortness , and that more fully , in all Points , than in the Creed commonly called the Athenasian ; except that about the Trinity , which seems to me less plain by that Copious way taken to explain It. He also says , We Reject all Outward , Positive Parts of Worship , which we deny : For we own and use Prayer , Preaching and Praising in the Spirit , without which they cannot be Owned or Joined with ; for they cannot be so performed to Edification by a true Christian Worshipper ; since God , who is a Spirit , will be Worshipped in Spirit , and in Truth , which Christ's Spirit must enable us to perform . And such Worshippers Only God the Father seeks to Worship him : Implying he regards not other Worshippers . But Especially , the Bishop says , we reject Baptism and the Supper . We say we do not Reject but Disuse the Signs , because we felt the Invisible Graces in our Souls they were Signs and Shadows of ; and therefore not in Disrespect to the Signs , but in Reverence to the Divine Substance they shew forth , we discontinue their use among us . They obtain'd place in the Infancy and Twi-light of the Church ; in her more weak and Ceremonious time , directing , as I may say , that Inter-regnum between the Law and Gospel , before the Dispensation of the Holy Ghost had Fully obtained Place and Preheminence in the Church . But of this I have been already very particular . He grows warm in his 17th Paragraph and Episcopal ; for he says , In a word , I again Require you , as you will answer all your Secret Arts and Pretensions at Christ's Tribunal , that you either Embrace and Profess the Entire Christian Truth , in the Points wherein I have shewn you to be Defective ; and that you receive the Christian Seals or Badges , Baptism and the Lord's Supper ; or else that you Desist to lay claim to the Name of Christians . But first I must return the Bishop his Secret Arts and Pretensions , In all which he is Greviously Mistaken . For either I do not understand his meaning , or I abhor it . Next , be it known to him , we Wave not , we Suppress not , but heartily Embrace and Profess before the whole World , all Points of Christian Doctrine , according to the mind of the Holy Ghost , as I have amply signified before upon this subject . And where the Bishop takes leave of the Text , he must excuse me if I leave him to keep company with it . We did not Entitle our Paper All Gospel-Truths ; but Gospel-Truths , which extended so far as we were Tax'd with Error about those Truths : And yet he must have but a little Charity that will not allow a Believer and Follower of those Truths to be a Christian . Nor indeed has the Bishop given us the Articles of Faith he says we Wave or Suppress , or told us his own , or that One Churches Faith he would have us receive , as I have Complained already . But that the Bishop should forbid us so much as to lay claim to the Name of Christians , unless we will Practice what he calls the Seals or Badges of Christianity ( which divers Churches in Christendom think he misuses ) is very Uncharitable and Dogmatical . But besides what I have said at large in our Excuse and Defence in that Matter , he produces not one Scripture that calls them either Seals or Badges . But yet there are other things that are so represented by our blessed Saviour and his Apostles , which he takes no notice of . As Mat. 16. 24. where , they that will he reputed Christ's Disciples must take up his Cross and follow him . Christ's Cross is a Christians Badge and Seal of Discipleship . Again , John 13. 35. He said to his Disciples , By this shall all Men know that ye are my Disciples if ye love one another . Likewise Mat. 25. 34 , 35 , 36. The Distinguishing Character of the last Day is not Water Baptism and the Outward Supper , but Love , Mercy and Compassion ; Bowels and Charity ; not being Ashamed or Afraid of Owning and Helping the Lord's Servants in their Afflictions , viz. I was an Hungry and ye gave Me Meat : I was Thirsty and ye gave Me Drink : I was a Stranger and ye took Me in : Naked and ye Cloathed Me : I was Sick and ye visited Me : I was in Prison and ye came unto Me. This is the Christian Badge that will be Recognized by our Lord Jesus Christ at the last day : We have his own Word for It. In all which , He is so far from mentioning either of the other Badges that Luke 13. He brings in the Unhappy , that are on his left hand , using this Argument to engage him to receive them into blessedness , viz. We have Eaten and Drank in thy Presence , and thou hast taught in our Streets . A plain Instance they had the use of such Ordinances as the Bishop reputes Badges of Christianity ; but it is as plain that such Pleas would not do : For behold the Lord Jesus says unto them in the Parable , I know you not , depart from me ye workers of Iniquity ! I recommend the perusal of the following Verses to my Reader , which confirm my sense of the Text : For He spoke to an outside People that counted themselves the People of God , and were observers of Meats and Drinks , and Divers Washings : And that which was Doctrine and Caution then , is Doctrine and Caution now ; for Truth holds the same to the End. I might add , Holiness for a Characteristick , without which no Man shall ever see the Lord : And that neither Circumcision availeth any thing nor Uncircumcision , but a New Creature , Gal. 6. Also the Fruits of the Spirit , Chap. 5. among which there is not one word about Water - Baptism or the Outward Supper , with many more Passages that are Close and Cogent . His 18th and last Paragraph tells us , He will not judge us , and yet his whole Paper is but one Continued Judgment of us . But , from God , as he says , and as his Minister he bids us Judge our selves . First , We thank God we are before-hand with the Bishop , having Judged our selves , and that by the Judgment of God upon us , and so have right to Judge others according to that Judgment . Secondly , We have no proof that the Bishop speaks from God to us : Nor can I tell how he should , that does not acknowledge the Inspeaking Word of God in the Soul. Thirdly , For his being God's Minister , he has not shewn us his Commission yet , and I fear it will not be from Heaven when ever he does . But if my Reader will take the pains of perusing this very Paragraph , he will not only see a Judging Spirit , but that the Bishop holds out abusing of us to the last , rendring us as bad as bad can be , viz. That we Subvert the Faith once delivered to the Saints , and equal our Conceits to the Divine Oracles , Using and Disusing what Parts of God's Instituted Worship we please ; adding , I will not Interpose your making Gain your Godliness . But as I have already taken ample notice of this Charge , so I shall say no more of his Irreligious Slant at our Sincerity than this , That I cannot pretend to tell the Bishop what Tribe of Men in Christendom it is that have long made Gain their Godliness , and the Pretence of it their Worldly Inheritance ; since he has been so much more Sensibly instructed in this Affair than my self : But one thing I am sure of , that if Gain and not Godliness was our Motive to be the People we are , we mightily Mistook our way when we left the Bishops : For Afflictions , Spoiles , Prisons , Banishments , yea , and Death it self have attended us since God was pleased to manifest his Truth to us : And if under all those Calamitys that have followed us since we were a People , for the sake of our Unfashionable Profession , the Bishop or any else is so Unnatural , as to envy us the Blessing of God upon our honest Industry , and to render that which is an Effect of God's Goodness , the Reason and End of our Religion , God forgive them . 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