A defence of the Duke of Buckingham, against the answer to his book, and the reply to his letter by the author of the late Considerations. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1685 Approx. 7 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 5 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2005-12 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A69913 Wing D816A ESTC R856 12952581 ocm 12952581 95998 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A69913) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 95998) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 735:10 or 1255:16) A defence of the Duke of Buckingham, against the answer to his book, and the reply to his letter by the author of the late Considerations. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 8 p. Printed for W.C., London : 1685. Caption title. Imprint from colophon. Attributed to William Penn. cf. NUC pre-1956 v. 448, p. 405. This item appears at reels 735:10 and 1255:16. Reproduction of original in Huntington Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. 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Copies of the texts have been issued variously as SGML (TCP schema; ASCII text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable XML (TCP schema; characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless XML (TEI P5, characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or TEI g elements). Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Buckingham, George Villiers, -- Duke of, 1628-1687. -- Short discourse upon the reasonableness of men's having a religion. Short answer to His Grace the D. of Buckingham's paper. Toleration. 2005-07 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-08 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-09 Jonathan Blaney Sampled and proofread 2005-09 Jonathan Blaney Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A DEFENCE OF THE Duke of Buckingham , Against the Answer to his Book , And the Reply to his Letter . By the Author of the late Considerations . I Remember at the time when Chancellor Hyde was at his heigth at Court , a Poor Woman who got her Living by a piece of Ground which her Old Husband used to Digg , carrying her Garden-stuff one day to Market , and not Selling it , comes Home exclaiming , that she could not Sell her Beans and Cabbages ; and should never have any good Market any more , so long as that filthy Hyde was Chancellor . I know not the AUTHOR ( whosoever he be ) of the Discourse which came out for an ANSWER to His Grace the DUKE of 〈…〉 ; but the Argumentation of the Gentleman has really , as to the main point of his answer to the design of that Generous DUKE ( when the rest is Impertinence ) the force only ( and prejudice ) of what was said by this Woman . There are some in the Nation that have been , and that are for Liberty of Conscience ; some that have been , and that are of the Wisest of the Nation ( such as my Lord Bacon , and my Lord Chief Justice Hales ) who have shewn their Minds still against the Stiffness of these Church-Men , who never would be got , when time was , to condescend in lesser things for the sake of greater . And there comes this Gentleman now , and he Argues , That therefore all the Plots , all the Rebellions , all the Evils that have befallen the Kingdom , must be Imputed to such Men , and such Principles . The Argument really is the Reasoning of this Woman : Socrate ambulante fulguravit . Socrates going abroad , it Lightened ; This Lightning did a great deal of hurt ; Therefore Socrates must be sent to Newgate : Therefore Liberty of Conscience must be put to Death . I deny the Argument . These Fanaticks ( say these Disputers ) are unquiet ; Therefore they must be Prosecuted . I say , No ; but therefore give them Liberty of Conscience , and they will be unquiet no more . A Carrier had two Horses , one of them being Galled through the negligence of his Man , the Man unknown to his Master gets the Saddle fitted to his back , and all is well : One day a New Hostler , perceiving nothing , puts on the false Saddle ; The Horse going out , Winches , and casts off his Pack . The Master being enraged , falls a beating the Horse ; but the Man that understood the matter , does but change only the Saddles , and both the Horses go quietly along . I will appeal to any Man of Sense , though of never so little Reason , whether Ease , Happiness , and Plenty are likeliest to make People Turbulent , or Oppression ? Take off the thing that pinches , take off Prosecution , do but change the Saddles , and set them both aright , and see then whether the Church-men or the Fanaticks , and Catholicks will be most Governable . Let this King give that Liberty which his Predecessors refused , and you shall see whether this King will not be beloved above all that went before Him. I pray go over to Holland , go any where else , where Liberty is granted , and see , if People Rebel in such Places . I am ashamed , that Men should have need of Spectacles to see the Sun ! There are some , I know , upon the Duke of Buckingham's sending out these Papers , have aspersed him for another Shaftsbury , as if he would make himself Head of the Fanaticks : There are others apt to cry out , He is undermining the Protestant Religion , and designs Popery : But as I know that my own self do design nothing but the Publick Benefit , so do I judge of his Graces undertaking : That is , as the undertaking of a Person over whom a great Reason , and the Love of his Countrey does predominate , with Indifferency to the Church-men , the Fanaticks , and also those of the Romish Perswasion . The Truth is , The attempt of the Duke at this time for Liberty of Conscience , looks to me to proceed from such a Spirit as the Enterprizes of Dion , Epaminondas , Timoleon , and such like , who were Liberators of their Countrey : In comparison of whom , the Conquests of Caesar , Alexander , and Pyrrbus , who sought themselves and their own Greatness , were but Spoil and Latrociny . The Papers Writ against him , the Duke himself hath thought fit to take Notice of in a Letter , which Letter having one thing in it that is enough to make him Print it , [ to wit , The Explanation of the Kings Promise ] the rest of it I count comes to this Signification , That the Author is by no means to be made his Grace's Match , but to be left to others : Unto whom also , one of them being come out already , I 'le leave him . Neither , indeed , is the Field here proper for his Grace to Descend into ; it being the Parliament House only , which is the fit place ; where this cause is to be Fought , where he will meet with his Equals , and where we shall know who shall carry it . As for the Replyer to the Dukes Letter , who Insists only upon the same thing , which the Answerer does , the Distractions , Miseries , Regicide , in the late Times , and therefore the Government must Fence against them by denial of Toleration , I must add ( this being nothing still but the Fallacy non causae pro causa before ) that , As the Answer is not worthy the pains of the Duke , so the Reply does require no Body's . Although indeed , in the Paper of Considerations moving to a Toleration , come out since both , there is one little Parenthesis , viz. [ Stated Rightly , that is , of All , so far as they are Tolerable , whereof the Wisdom of a Parliament is the fittest Judge ] does Preoccupate all Objections , and stops the Throat of this Flap-Mouth Argument . Entred according to Order . LONDON , Printed for W. C. 1685.