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Council of Florence (1438-1445) Letter in answer to the late dispensers of Pope Benedict XII his Bull. A59251 R12974 (Wing S2599). civilwar no A vindication of the doctrine contained in Pope Benedict xii. his bull and in the General Councill of Florence, under Eugenius the iiii. con Sergeant, John 1659 49058 132 10 0 0 0 0 29 C The rate of 29 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-04 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-04 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-06 Emma (Leeson) Huber Sampled and proofread 2004-06 Emma (Leeson) Huber Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A VINDICATION OF The Doctrine contained in Pope Benedict xii . his Bull , and in the General Councill of Florence , under Eugenius the iiii . concerning the state of departed SOVLS . In answer to a certain Letter , Printed and published against it , by an unknown Author , under this Title A Letter in Answer to the late Dispensers of Pope Benedict xii . his Bull , &c , Wherein , the Progress of Master Whites lately minted Purgatory is laid open , and its Grounds examined ; And ( in order to a further discovery ) a Prospect given to the Reader , of this new School , it's Method , it's Design , to evacuate Christian Faith , and to establish a new Philosophical , or a pretended demonstrative Religion . Psal. 118. 85. The unjust have told me fables , &c. Coloss. 2. 8. Beware lest any man seduce you by vain Phylosophy , &c. By S. W. A Roman Catholick . Printed at Paris . 1659. TO THE UNKNOWN AUTHOR OF THIS LETTER , In Answer to the late Dispensers of Pope BENEDICT his Bull , &c. SIR , Sect. 1. I Gratefully Acknowledge my Obligations , for the good will , you shew to Instruct me . The perusal of this Bull and Council had long since setled a full belief in my soul : That the Purgation of separated Souls might be Compleated before Re-union with their Bodies and the General day of Iudgment . So that , in truth , I was not a little surprised by your book . It was my misfortune it fell into my hands , just then , when our expectations were at the height of those troubles , which afterwards succeeded in our Nation , and which have ever since much diverted me from things of this nature , whilst in such nicities , as you now have brought the question too , our understandings ought to be perfectly calm . And this I hope will plead for the delay that I have not presented you sooner with these Reflections on your book ( which I designed long agoe ) if my other occasions had not interposed themselves . I found not that satisfaction I earnestly wished for in your Letter ; your Objections seemed not manly , your Answers not home ; you will pardon me then if I mind you of my Exceptions against both : which I shall endeavour to do with that just moderation that befits Brethren . I cannot altogether approove of harshness in writing , even against the professed adversaries of our holy Faith . It was not unhappily said by one of them , as I remember , That writing of Controversies ought to carry as much sweetness as Love-Letters , and that the other rudeness served but to chase away the game . And since you have administred to me a just occasion to reprehend this in your Letter , I shall be wary not to be justly taxable my self , both to yours and your Masters person , Master White ( whom you have now introduced into the scene ) I bear as much respect , as any one whosoever , upon so sleight an acquaintance : It is not the Doctor , but the Doctrine , combat . I cannot digest their boldness , who usurp the Authority of the supream tribunal , to brand any opinion with the title of Heresie , whilst the Church hath not done it to their hands : much less can I endure , that the Author himself should be stigmatized with the infamous character of an Heretick . And though in this present controversie , I am fully convinced , that this modern systeme of Purgatory stands condemned , both by this Bull of Benedict the 12● . and the Florentin Council , and that of Trent , and by consequence is Heretical : yet I am very willing to believe , those who sustain it , do not see its condemnation . And yet I think it will appear that the Author of it , and those Schollars who are now able pro●icients in his school are armed , even against the Authority it self . This misfortune I regret , that I know not how to address my self to you , but in print : and since things which pass the press , are not confined to one or few mens view , but exposed to many eyes and censures , I am necessitated to satisfie even vulgar readers ; who certainly , though perhaps now acquainted with the controversie it self , never yet d●scovered the source and fountain of this new molded Purgatory . And to the end I may do so , I shall in the very introduction to my discourse lay open to my readers eye , the first grounds and rise , and the afterwards continued progress , of this your new doctrin : Nor could I otherwise acquit my self of it , with just satisfaction to other readers , whilst if I had spoken only in manuscript to you , ( who are now raised ( as you say ) above your pitch and inabled to give any one satisfaction that is not before hand resolved to receive none , by conferring with those solid men , who are acquainted with every resort of Master Whites doctrine ) my business had received a much quicker dispatch . For my Method , I hope , you will pardon me , if leaving whatsoever you have urged either against the Publishers ( whom you are pleased to style Dispensers ) of this Bull and Council , or any thing else , not directly pertinent to our question , to the latter end of my Discourse . After your Doctrine laid open , and its grounds , and the Question stated between us , I betake my self at first to our business in hand about the Bull and Council . And for my Style , since we are now in a Controversie much more proper for a Divinity Lecture then a Rhetorical Declamation , the strength of the Sense , rather then the quaintness of the Expression , will best befit the subject . This Preface will claim your pardon , if you consider it gives some light to what I hereafter say . But I will neither detain you , nor my Reader any longer , but fall to our work in hand . Sect. 2. I have 〈◊〉 from a very Learned and Worthy Friend of mine , that he himself being present at a Conference between Master White and another eminent Scholar of our Nation , divers years before Master White appeared in Print : among other things then discoursed of , Master White advanced a Phylosophical Position which the other denied , as inconsistent with our holy faith of the Blessed Sacrament : to which Master White replied , Let us find out the Truths in Phylosophy , and the Mysteries of our Faith will square well enough with them : to which the other , Nay , Sir , by your favour , let us in the first place presuppose the establisht verities of faith , and then square our Phylosophy to them . I have many times reflected , often conferred with others , of the different consequences , of those different methods , which these two great persons held in leading our understandings to truth . I have often entertained my self with these thoughts , what a dangerous method Master White prescribed , and as now appears followed ? what a natural and new divinity it would prove , which should be squared to those Phlyosophical truths , which our weak understandings should be able to establish , independent of divine revelation ? And at last Master White hath brought forth this his issue , and made it publick to the world . Sect. 3. It is not my design , in this our present discourse , to run through those many little books , which this Author hath given us on several occasions : And the rather because the authority of our supream Pastor , hath already taken notice of , and interposed his sharp , but justly deserved censures , against divers of them ; and doubtless will proceed against the rest , according to their demerits I shall then as to the present , concern my self only with this one controversie , of the state of those souls which leave this life in the state of Grace ; but so that they are not as yet fully purged : and with those positions and grounds , on which this new molded Fabrick of Purgatory stands , unless some one Doctrine or other , of the Author of it , having a neer alliance with the business in hand , so offer it self , that our discourse , and the Subject would be illustrated by it . Sect. 4. And first as to the opinion it self , he thus delivers it of the middle State , ( acc. 1. ) I acknowledg ( sayes he ) in humane failings , a difference betwixt mortal , and venial ; nor do I deny an imperfect remission of mortal impurities , but I place not this imperfection , in that the sin is totally cancelled , the pain only remaining ; but in the change of an absolute , into a conditional affection , as it were instead of , I will , substituting , I will not ; but Oh , that I lawfully might , &c. the affection or inclination he had to temporal good , is restrained , not extinguished , of mortal become venial , changed , not destroyed . Being therefore by the operation of death ( as it were ) new molded , and minted into a purely spiritual substance ; he carries inseparably with him the matter of his torment ; in like manner as he also doth , who takes leave of his body , with his affections only venially disordered ; we do not then anywhere imagine a place filled with hellish dishes , by which the soul , as from an external tormentor , suffers a butchery ; but we are in horrour of the strife and fury of innate affections , which is therefore proportioned to the s●ns , because springing from them , nor ever otherwise possible to be defaced , unless the soul by a new conjunction to the body , become passive or susceptible of contrary affections , &c. These are his new apprehensions of the State of Souls in their separation , perfectly squared to those Phylosophical grounds , he had long before layed , in his Peripatetick Institutions . Sect. 5. Now as to the order in which this new fabrick of Purgatory , and indeed a whole new system of Philosophy and Divinity was made publick ; it was ( as I take it ) this ; after the Book of the immortality of of the soul , fathered on Sir Kenelm Digby : Master White appeared himself on the Stage , under the name of Thomas the Englishman of the Albi● of the East Saxons , where , in a moderate volume intituled Peripatetick Institutions ; to the mind of that most eminent man , and most excellent Philosopher , Sir Kenelm Digby , &c. He discovers the great mine of this Phylosophy ; here the suttleties of Logick , the secrets of nature , the hidden properties of bodies , both heaven and earth , are layed open ; and not only that , but we are further led on by an undisolvable chain of unavoidable consequences ( as is pretended ) to the abstract notions of metaphysicks , to the clear understanding of separated souls , intelligences , even the existence and attributes of God himself . And All this ( if the Reader hath faith enough to believe , for otherwise , I am confident , he will find but slender satisfaction , ) by most clear and evident demonstrations , by a long chain of consequences , or a series of Patets , Fits , sequiturs , clarum ests , consequens ests , confectum ests , and the like . The Foundations thus laid , conformable to this incomparable ( and I think incomprehensible ) Peece , for never Daughter was liker her Mother , issued out some time after his Divinity , under this Title , Institutiones Sacrae , built ( as he professes ) in , or on ( Inaedificatae ) his former Peripatetick Institutions . This now containing a perfect Sum or Model of his Divinity , as that had formerly done of his Phylosophy . And certainly , happy it was , the Author divided them to our hands , and gave us them in several Volumes , and under several titles ; for else it hd been impossible to know , where the first ended , or the second began : this being so perfectly squared to that , that in the very entry to his Divinity , he banisheth the a Notion of Supernaturality ( though not the word ) out of his School ; the whole design of his new Theology being ( now in the third age of the Church ) to evacuate Christian Faith , and out of his Phylosophical grounds , to mould us up a new demonstrative Religion , for nothing is upon any other grounds admitted into this new Theological School , of which I give my Reader a full Account , Sect. 23 , 24. &c. Sect. 6. In his Peripatetick Institutions then or Philosophy , 5 book , lesson 1. he lays the foundations of his future Purgatory , or the state of Souls in separation , and having in the first place laboured to evince , That Rational Souls , such as those of men are , may exist or be without their Bodies . He delivers that notion ( which he desires to imprint in us ) of a separated Soul , in these words , nu . 9 , 10 , 11. Now he who desires to frame to himself , in some sort , a notion of a separated Soul , let him ponder with himself that Object which corresponds to the word , Man or Animal , as such : which when he shall see Abstracts from Place and Time , and is a substance by the only necessity of the terms : let him conceive the like of a separated soul . Then let him attentively consider some self evident and most Natural Proposition , in which , when he shall have Contemplated , That the Object is in the Soul , with its proper existence , and , as it were , by it : let him think a separated Soul is a Substance , that is , all other things by the very Connexion of Existencies . Lastly , When in bodies he shall observe , that motion proceeds from the quality of the mover , and a certain impulse , and that this impulse is derived again from another impulse , and so even up to that which is first moved and beyond . Let him imagine the soul is a kind of Principle , of such impulse , whatsoever thing that must be . And so he holds on , nu . 12. What is said of the substance of the soul , undoubtedly must be understood too , of its proper accidents : for since they depend onely on the soul , ( being something of it , nay even the very soul it self , ) and it would be more imperfect without them ; they must run the same fortune with it , unless some special reason interpose . Out of which he deduces immediately num . 13. Whatsoever things then were in the man according to his soul , at the instant of his death , remain inseparably in the state of separation . Wherefore all his resolutions or judgments , whether speculative or practical , shall remain in it . Out of which he deduces in the same Book , less . 4. num . 1. And because the affections in the soul , are nothing else but judgements , upon which operation does , or is apt to follow , &c. it comes to pass , that our affections to acquaintance and friends , and the rest we cultivated in this life , shall remain in the future . And more fully in the same place , num . 2. The affections shall remain , and that in the same proportion they were during life . Out of which he concludes there , num . 3. Those who have given themselves up wholly to corporal pleasures , will be affected with a vast grief , through the impossibility of those pleasures there ; that is , because corporal pleasures cannot now be injoyed by the soul , in her state of separation . This is the essence , the substance of his Purgatory ; this is his whole chain , or deduction of it , this is the grief he admits in separated souls , for accusing them of ignorance , who conceive fire , or any other material or external agent hath power to afflict them in that state ; he conceives them sufferers from these remaining affections to corporal pleasures , which therefore torment the souls , because they now are in a state , where these pleasures are impossible to be injoyed . Sect. 7. Now as to the measure or duraration of separated souls , and the continuation of that state , till the day of judgment ; the foundations are laid in the same Book : less . 3. num . 5. Again ( sayes he ) it is plain , that a separated soul in an other manner excels place and time , then in the body ; since in that it only abstracts from them , but out of that , it comprehends them . For this universal and actual knowledg , places all place , and all time within the soul , so that it can act in every place at once , and together ( as far as concerns this respect , ) and provide for all time , wherefore it is in a manner a maker and governour of time and place ; out of which he deduces fully of the middle state , acc. 12. in spiritual acts whether they bring happiness or misery ; there is no proportion to time , so as to make pain , which lasts longer , to be greater ; or that which ends sooner , to be less : for those are the properties of corporal things , &c. Every act of a pure spirit reflected on it self , being of its own nature , out of the reach of time , is not subject thereto , but greater then the whole extension of time , &c. And in the next Sect. more fully . If to a thing ( that is a separated soul ) which coexists to a longer part of time , nothing be thereby added ; or to a thing which coexists to a shorter part of time , nothing be thereby diminished , there can be no reason why duration should represent , either more or less grievous in these respective cases , &c. So that whatsoever grief of a separated soul is by the quality and force of its essence greater , the same , let its Co-existence to time , be what it will , must be more vehement , and that which is less , less intense , nothing being gained o● lost by the perpetuating , or shortning of the motions of the Sun , or other caelestial bodies , &c. And from this ground in the same book , account . 22. he concludes , Whatsoever time intervenes betwixt it ( that is the prayer now powred out for a departed soul , or death ) and the restauration of the world , ( that is the day of general judgment ) is to departed souls , but as one moment . Sect. 8. And further , as to the Immutability of that state of separation , and the unchangeableness of the acts of Souls now severed from their Bodies , his grounds are laid down in the afore-cited Perepatetick Institutions , book 5. less . 4. num . 6 , 7 , 8. Moreover ( says he ) out of what hath been said 't is deduced , That in the state of separation , no variety can happen to Souls from any body , or the change of Bodies : for since 〈◊〉 change passes not from any body into the soul , but through the Identification of the soul with its own body ; and this Identification ceaseth by the state of separation : it follows , that no action nor mutation can be derived from any Body to the Soul . Nor has the Soul , of it self , a principle of change in it self : not from hence only , because an indivisible cannot act on it self , but also , because since a mutation of the Soul cannot be any other , then either according to the Vnderstanding , or according to the Will . But the Vnderstanding is supposed to know all things together and for ever ; whence by the course of Nature , there is no room left either for Ignorance , or new Science : And the Will is either not distinct from the Vnderstanding , or at least is adequately governed in the state of separation ; it follows , that naturally no mutation can happen to a separated soul from within , or caused by it self . Nor yet from any other Spirit without the Interposition of the Body : for since all Spirits are indivisible , their operations too will be such ; but an indivisible effect , supposing all the causes of necessity exists in the same instant : wherefore if any thing be to be done between Spirits ; t is all in one instant so done and perfected , that afterwards an other action cannot be begun : for if it begin , either the causes were before adequately , put ; or not ; if they were , the effect was put , if they were not , some of the causes is changed , that it may now begin to act , and not this , b●● the former is the first mutation ; whereof it is to be urged , Whether the causes were put before ? These are the eternal truths ( as they would perswade us ) the unshakable foundations of Phylosophy , on which this whole new Fabrick of Purgatory stands : and I have been the more careful to deliver them fully to my reader , ( even in this beginning of my discourse ) that he may with one cast of his eye see , on what firm foundations , this new school hath abandoned the hitherto received faith of our holy mother the Church ; and now dares pronounce , That what she hath hitherto taught us , proceeded but out of ignorance of the nature of separated substances . Of the Mid. State . ( Acc. 17. ) Sect. 9. But because Master White , the Author of this new Purgatory and our faithless demonstrative Religion , was sufficiently conscious to himself , that these novelties would call upon the vigilancy and care of the Shepheards of Christs flock , he stood ready prepared to receive their incounter : And no sooner had the late Bishop of Calcedon , his then superior , admonished him of this , and other his new Doctrines , in this new pretended Demonstrative Theology ; but in defence of his new molded Purgatory , issued out his premeditated ( as it seems ) book , Of the Middle State of Souls , directed to the same Bishop ; which book , if it had remained in the Authors obscure and mysterious Dialect ( which he , above all modern Writers , seems to affect ; and reason enough he hath to come Mascaradoed into the world , and to involve himself ) had layed deservedly neglected : But it having been , by the indiscreet care of some one of his Proselytes , put into an English dress , and exposed to the weak capacities even of Vulgar Readers , lest this new erroneous Doctrine contained in it , might spread among those , whose infirmity betrayed them to be the easiliest misled ; for them was pub●ished this our Bull of Pope Benedict the xii . and as much of the Florentin Council as seemed necessary and sufficient , to arm their souls against the attempts of this novelty ; by some Pious and Vigilant Shepheards , to whom the care of their souls was committed . Which Bull and part of the Council , because it may not have fallen into my Readers hands , I give it him again at the ●atter end of my Discourse , [ Letter A. ] This , Sir , was the true ground of putting forth that little Volume , nor had the Publishers any regard a● all ( as you tell us pag. 7. and 8. ) to The Letter of Vindication ; or as you now style it , Challenge , of which certainly not Master White himself , but some Scholar of his ( and he but a slender Proficient in his Masters Doctrine ) was Author . And truly the likeness of its style , with that of this your Letter , and the Authors still fancying himself inspired with the genius of Montalt , the fained Writer of the late Provincial Letters ( as children by reading Romances , fancy themselves to be Knight Errants , Don Hercioes ) would perswade me they both came out of the same Shop . And besides that , the Protestation contained in the beginning of that Challenge ( as I heard well observed ) would be subscribed by all the Protestant Divines of the Church of England : It is not consequent ( if Master White remaine still himself ) that now he should proclaim , That if any thing expresly repugnant to any Doctrine of his , be found in any Decree of Councils or Popes , he is contented to be esteemed to have lost the Cause : who had so lowdly , before the publication of this book , in his other writings , disclaimed and disowned the authority of both Popes and Councils , as we shall presently see , Sect. 17. The Publishers supposed , the sole evidencing , that this new minted Purgatory stood condemned by that authority , to which he who resists , cannot remain a Catholick , would proove a sufficient defence to well meaning souls , against the assaults of this new Doctrine ; nor had they any design to enter the lists of Disputation , against any persons whomsoever , as appears evidently in this , that they make no application of the Doctrine , of this Bull or Council to any particular Doctrine , of any particular Writer ; but fairly and candioly deliver the words of both the Pope and sacred Council , in their Original , and our vulgar Language . And this indeed was abundantly sufficient for their design : There needed no Application of the Churches affirmative , to their negative , now sustained both in private discourses , and in Print ; they needed not tell the Reader , that where one part of the contradiction stands defined , the other undoubtedly stands condemned by the same sentence ; Children know that already . Sect. 10. Who could justly suspect , that this innocent , this piously zealous proceeding , should beget an adversary in print ? who could imagine that the care of the flock of Christ should now be accused of unreasonableness , of injustice , the Publishers accused of weakness , of ignorance , even of School-boyes Latine , of animosity , of an empty vanity to appear in print , in a little volume without any name , without any designed adversary , where there was nothing their own , but the pains to translate , and the charges to print ? But so it was , those , whose consciences were their self-accusers , who saw with what satisfaction , that little Volume was received by pious persons , and how their new Doctrine of Purgatory stood pointed out to every mans eye , as condemned by that sacred authority , took fire , An O or an A shall be a sufficient subject to him , who watches an occasion to write . A Puny Scholar then of that School ( for such an one he was , as will be rendered evident hereafter , and none of the ablest proficients ) appears in the Field , armed with a strong zeal to his Masters Doctrine , and with contempt enough against the innocent Publishers ; whom in the entry to his discourse , he proceeds to vilifie and undervalue ; Persons surely who never wronged him , probably never saw him , till now never heard of him , and at this howr do not know him . But it is not to vindicate their persons , however injured and undervalued , or to make use of that right which nature furnishes all men with , to repell an offered violence , by an equally violent resistance . For we have learnt a far other lesson in the School of Grace , then my Adversary hath in his new Masters , Master Whites : To render good for evil , to pardon and pray for those that injure us . But in the defence of our holy and deer Mother , the Catholick Church , and her never erring Faith , in the defence of these decrees of the Pope , and sacred Council , that I undertake this quarrel ; and I desire my Reader but to be unbyassed in this our present dispute , whether this Position , That no Souls are delivered out of Purgatory , before the re-assumption of their bodies , and the general day of judgment , stands not condemned by this present Bull of Pope Benedict 12. and the Florentine Council ? Sect. 11 , And first , that the contradictory of this Position is the universally received Doctrine of the Catholick Church , appears most evidently in this , That all Orthodox Writers who have treated this subject , of the state of separated souls , since the Promulgation of the Bull aforesaid and Council , suppose it as a certain truth ; and therefore no one of them anywhere sustain the contrary : Nor can the force of this evidence be weakned , by saying , That it is indeed the universally received opinion of Divines only ; but not their Faith ; for besides what I shall hereafter say , in refutation of this answer ; those who are acquainted with the prying curiosity of the Schools , and with the strange variety of their apprehensions , know very well , that where any thing may lawfully be denyed , their restless curiosity ceases not to call it to the Test , nor is it universally imbraced as Truth ; and therefore it is authority only , and that irrefragable , which puts limits and bounds to their curious scrutiny , and the variety of their opinions . But because my Adversary , having now ( as he tells us ) conferred with those solid Persons , acquainted with every Ressort of Master Whites Doctrine ; and as cleer sighted in those ages which afford us these Authorities , as in that they live in : With a strong youthful Confidence proclaims : That it is incomparably false , That the Question of Purgatory was in the dayes of Benedict , agitated and settled by this Bull of his . Or that the Council of Florence , ever intended or defined any such matter . And with a clutter of four or five pages settles us a quite : other Question and Controversie , as then disputed and determined , to wit : Whether perfect Charity be a sufficient disposition to beatifie a soul ? And appeals to Cherubinus his Compendium of this Bull ; and tells us , That all Learned Writers agree . It will justly fall under our consideration : First , Whether this our present Question of Purgatory were not then intended and defined ? And secondly , Whether this his new Question of Charity , was there disputed and setled by this our Bull and Council ? Sect. 12. And as to the first , If such an oversight could have hapned to a Person whose business it was to answer this very Bull , and of all those solid and cleer-sighted Persons , by conferring with whom he was now raised above his own pitch : I should justly suspect , that neither he nor any one of them , had ever read this very Bull , about which we now dispute . For was it possible that a few great Letters , should so possess their eyes , and their great good affection to their new Masters Doctrine , so fill their hearts , that there was no room for any thing else of the whole Context ? For the Pope himself in this Bull having in most plain and express words stated our very Question to their hands : how was it possible they should All over-look it ? There arose ( saith he ) a matter of question , not long since , in the time of John the xxii . our Predecessor of happy memory , between some Doctors of Divinity , concerning the vision of the souls of Iust men after their death , in which nothing was to be purged , when they departed out of this world ; or if there were , it was now totally purged : whether they see the Divine Essence , before the re-assumption of their bodies , and the general Iudgment ? and also concerning other matters , &c. And yet in truth . to do him right , he did see this , and cites it , page 24. and yet hath the confidence to impose his quite different Question upon us . Now , Sir , if it were possible this should escape your consideration , yet since you appeal to Cherubinus his Compendium of this Bull , you ought at least to have read and considered him : and yet in truth I cannot believe it . For was it possible , that after Cherubinus too , agreeing perfectly with the Pope had stated our Question , you should have the boldness to deny it , and obtrude your new fancied controversie of Charity upon us , and appeal to this very Author , whose words do most clearly and evidently condemn you ? But having heard ▪ the Pope , I will satisfie my Reader , and let him hear Flavius Cherubinus in his own words . Because ( sayes he ) there arose a question among the Divines and others , Whether the souls of Iust men departed , in which there was nothing to be purged , or if there were , it was now purged , did see the Divine Essence before the resumption of their bodies , and the general Iudgment . § . 1. For the deciding of which question , John xxii . enjoyned the Cardinals , Pr●lates and Divines , in a Publick Consistorie , That they should deliberately speak what they thought of it , when he should demand it ; but being prevented by death could not perfect it : Now Benedict the xii . after a diligent examination and deliberation with the Cardinals of the Sacred Roman Church , and by their counsel cleerly defines this question . § . 2. & seq. And another , concerning souls deparned in mortal sin . § . 4. And commands , that it be proceeded against such as pertinaciously hold , or assert the contrary , as against Hereticks . § . 5. And hereunto he adds a penal Sanction . This is the whole Compendium of Cherubinus , who directly with the Pope states our present Question , and delivers us , that it stands defined . And yet against this evidence to which you your self appeal , you have the confidence to tell us , The sole and only Question was : Whether perfect Charity brings an immediate heaven ? Sect. 13. Now , Sir , it is not possible for you to perswade an intelligen Reader , as you endeavor page 24 ) that there was one onely Question disputed and defined in that time . The Pope himself , and Cherubinus to whom you appeal , have in terms made two . First , Concerning the souls of Iust men , in which nothing remains to be purged , when they pass out of this life ? And secondly , Of those souls in which something is to be purged . And that there were more Questions then one determined by this self-same Bull , that very Title which you say , page 10. belongs to it , and stands printed at Rome , 1617. A definition of certain Articles concerning the blessed vision of God , and the Beatitude and damnation of souls ; will clearly evince . Let my Reader consider the word Articles , the several states of souls , of which our holy Faith is here delivered ; and I think he will rest satisfied , it was not one only question , much less your only question of Charity , which stands here defined to us . Nor will that Criticism , that the Pope styles it Quaestio , a Question , and after him Cherubinus , at all avail you ; for every one knows that where a question is stated of any Subject , which suffers divisions , and subdivisions , it comprehends in it all those several questions , which of every one of those divisions , and subdivisions may justly be made ; and so it is in our very business , where the present question concerning the state of departed souls , extends to all the several conditions of souls , which departed this life . And that it was the Popes design , and full purpose , to deliver us what of all these we stand bound to believe , will appear evidently by his exact division and enumeration of the several conditions , in which souls depart from this their earthly habitation : Both of Infants , who after Baptism received , dye before the use of freewill : Of those who coming to the use of Reason , after Baptism incur no blemish of sin : Of those who in the same supposition , have incurred the blemish of sin , and yet depart this life , having fully satisfied , by worthy fruits of penance : Of those who in the same supposition have incurred the blemish of sin , and have not made full satisfaction , but pass out of this life with a guilt of temporal punishment due in the next : And lastly , of those who depart this life in mortal sin , and enmity to God , of all which he here delivers our holy Faith ; so unquestionable a truth it is , it was not one only , or your only single question of Charity , which stands here defined : And truly Sir , if your patience had held out , to read but to the end of the second ▪ Scholion of this said Cherubinus , to whom you appeal , you would have found not only this one question of the souls of just men , who depart this life without any need of being purged in the next , or this other , of those souls which so leave their bodies with a guilt of punishment in the next life ; but eight more questions answered and decided , even according to this Cherubinus his judgment , by this self same Bull of Pope Benedict the xii . For thus he concludes . I give you to understand . that by this determination of Benedict the xii . t●n Heresies are condemned , which Eymericus in his Directory examines and relates . In which Cherubinus was not at all mistaken ; for so indeed it is : and since this Eymericus is an Author of that high esteem and deservedly , and his Book hath received so signal an approbation by Gregory the xiii . and is in deed , as well as in title , the Directory of the Inquisitors ; let us hear what Pegna writes of him . Eymericus ( sayes he ) [ A famous learned and holy man , who was appointed the general Inquisitor of the Kingdome of Aragon , in the year 1358. ( which is only 22. years after the Promulgation of this Bull ) from whence he was called to Avignon by Pope Gregory 11. and there being his Chaplain composed his excellent Directory ] gathers ten Heresies condemned by this Extravagant ; and most truly admonishes , that so many Catholick verities , contrary to those Heresies , are thereby prooved and established : The place at length , out of this so Authentick a Writer ; I give my Reader at the end of my discourse . [ Letter B. ] not to interrupt the continued threed of it ; for by it my Reader will easily observe , with what strong confidence the youthful Scholars of this modern School appear in print . And if you had been pleased to peruse the continuation of Baronius his Ecclesiastical Annals by Spondanus , you would have rested satisfied in this our point ; for at the year 1333. he thus delivers the opinion of Pope Iohn the 22. then disputed , which occasioned this Bull of Benedict his successour : For ( sayes he ) in that year 1333. ( as Villanius , Rebdorfius , the continuator of Nangius , and others witness ; ) Iohn the 22. then Pope , began publickly to treat of what before he had conceived , concerning the beatifical vision of Souls : what not a few of the ancient , both Greek and Latine Fathers , Iustinus , Ireneus , &c. did seem to hold ; That souls now severed from their bodies , and duely purged from all stain of sin , either in this present mortal life , or in the next ( in Purgatory ) do not enjoy perfectly the beatifical vision of the divine essence , before the last day of Iudgment : but do expect the Resurrection of their bodies , that together with them they may attain perfect beatitude : and to this opinion not as yet altogether reproved ( or condemned ) by the holy Church , this Pope John himself seemed to incline , &c. For which reason he gained himself very many Adversaries , both among the Cardinals , and Prelates , and also of other Doctors of Divinity every where , and Religious men of all orders . And at the year 1334 the same Sp●ndanus delivers , that this Pope John the day before he died published a constitution , in which he condemned that opinion of which he stood suspected . Now Sir , when you have perused and weighed these things , which I am confident you never dreamt of before , for in truth you rested satisfied , with what your Solid and cleer-sighted friends had told you , of their new devised question of Charity as then disputed ▪ you will perhaps observe your error , you will see it is not a little heat of youth which presses men of your years to appear in print , or a little tickling vein which eggs young men forward to catch their Adversary with an O or an A , and pass a witty jest upon him , till age and experience hath ripened their discretion , which can warrant a Book in the publick view of discreet persons . You will be convinced that you were mistaken by your great good affection and esteem of your solid cleer-sighted friends , and that in truth you have ingaged your credit a little too farr upon their authority . Sect. 14. But this is not all I have to say to you : The first fault of negligence and boldness , even in this kind , is perhaps pardonable in young men . But I beseech you Sir , how could those solid , cleer-sighted persons , give you the confidence to impose so grosly upon us ? to state us here a question , of which the Bull delivers not one word : of which Cherubinus , to whom you appeal , makes not the least mention , and yet you confidently add , All Learned Writers agree . pag. 14. Where if you had not named Writers , I should have judged , you appeal'd to your solid clear-sighted Friends : for in truth I cannot find any one Learned Writer who states , this your new question as then disputed or defined . And I cannot pardon this your so confident imposing on your Reader ; You tell us , our present controversie , concerning the delivery of souls out of Purgatory , stands not here defined , because the Word Purgatory , is not in the Bull , ( however , it is sufficiently in the Council , ) and the Pope decrees of soul● now purged : And you require , pag. 26. the Popes or Councils positive is , or , is not : and unless I can shew this Position in terms ▪ Souls are purged before the day of judgment : I run a hazard to contradict both the Pope and Council . Which how to excuse from nonsence , if compared with what you are pleased ou● of your kindness to allow , p. 27. that the Pope was of the opinion that Purgatory might be finished before the last day ( which could not be contradictory to his faith ) is past my skill . You know what it is to bring rods to whip himself . And can you have the confidence Sir , to tell us , pag. 29. and elsewhere : the onely and sole controversie was : Whether perfect Charity brings an immediate heaven , and all that the Pope intended to secure● by this present Bull . Whilst the Word Charity is not in the Bull , whilst there is not the least mention of it , in the question even now related in Spondanus , which occasioned this definition : whilst neither in the Preface to the Decree , nor in the Decree it self , nor any thing that follows it , the Pope pronounces of Charity I , or no ; much less doth he declare either the affirmative or negative of this your new Question , to secure it ; nor is there the least hint in Cherurbinus of it , I gave my Reader his whole Compendium , that he might see , how far you were transported with the high esteem of your solid clear-sighted Friends , when you appeal to him , who thus agreeing with the Pope pronounces against you All . Nor do your Arguments drawn from holy desires , pag. 15. 16. or the future rewards and punishments which the Pope so earnestly inculcates in his Preface to this definition at all avail you . Alas Sir , the whole systeme of Christian Religion , every part and parcell of it , is directed , to plant , to kindle holy desires in our Souls ; and yet I think you will not easily avow , there is nothing else defined , or recommended to us , in this whole fabrick , but purely and precisely , that perfect Charity brings an immediate heaven ; nor will it be any plea for you , that this was then the question , because the Pope ushers his Definition with this Exhortation to holy desires , ( which might very well and properly introduce any Position of Christian Religion whatsoever , and peculiarly this , because by progress in vertue and holy desires , our endeavours are rendred more effectual for souls in that distressed condition ) as very neer allyed to his Decrees , concerning the state of departed souls : For how neer a tye soever , the one hath to the other , though it were by an immediate , necessary , evident consequence , yet it is highly unlawful to change the state of the present question , and impose upon us , that not it , but some other , thus allyed to it , stands defined by the Decree . When the Church combated the Eutychian Heresie , which denyed two natures in Christ , no Christian dare affirm , it onely then defined the plurality of Wills against the Monothelites : because these two questions , have so necessary and immediate a connexion . And can you hope to perswade an ignorant Reader , that when the Pope defines : That after purgation , even before the re-assumption of their bodies , departed souls are received into heaven : he defines nothing at all about Purgatory , but onely this , that perfect Charity brings an immediate heaven ; though he hath not any thing like this Position in his Bull : and that this should be fixed on the Pope , and Cherubinus , and all Learned Authors to boote . I hope then Sir , you will pardon my boldness , if I challenge you fairly with this : If you do not make it appear , by those unknown Learned Authors in terms , that yours was the question , and not that of Purgatory , we shall judg you have wrong'd them as much , as now to our eyes , you have imposed on the Pope , and Cherubinus : And I justly challenge it of you , that you bring us it , in terms , and not by a consequence of a second or third remove , or else your sincerity in citing Authors , will be highly questionable by your Reader , or indeed now past Question . And truly I wondred at the first perusal of this part of your Book , why you should use this sleight to prepossess the unwary Reader ; but afterwards by the rest of your discourse , I easily observed it was but made use of , to render , by this art of changing the question , a plawsible answer to this Bull and Council , otherwise unavoidable : and yet I discovered at last a further design , which no man but a Prophet could have foreseen , to wit ; that you might fix upon your Adversary , that he , not you , stands guilty of disowning these sacred authorities , and that forsooth , because he opposes the efficacy of holy charity , the Queen of vertues , which you , and your Master indeavour to sustain , of which your slye accusation I shall have occasion to speak hereafter , but I hope to render this your craft wholly unsuccessful . Sect. 15. But how unfortunate a Writer you are , will be rendred evident , and how unfit you are to catechise and instruct others , this Grave and Learned Eymericus shall tell you , because you do not explicitely believe this Doctrine of Purgatory now in question . For having distinguished all the Credibilia , or matters of faith , into three Classes ( according to St. Thomas ) and shewed what the vulgar and simple sort of Christians , as also what Superiours , Prelates and Doctours , are bound to believe both explicitely and implicit●ly he there concludes , concerning the middle sort of Christians , under which name he comprehends , Priests , Cūrates , and all Religious Persons , who have undertaken to instruct the ignorant in faith , and good manners . The middle sorts ( sayes he ) who are to teach the simple people , are obliged to believe some of these points ( that is such as are determined , by the holy Church in her Councils and Consistories ) Explicitely : though not all these Points singly , nor all these Persons equally , but according to their several state and learning , whereby they are to instruct the ignorant : As for example , they are all bound to believe explicitely that the souls of just men departed without sin , as of little Infants ; or if they have sinned , have here or in Purgatory fully satisfied , are pass'd into Heaven before the day of Iudgment : according to the Church's determination , making it a matter of faith , in the extravagant of Pope Benedict xii . beginning . Blessed be God . Sect. 16. And having said this as to the intention of the Pope in our present Bull , before I proceed further in your Answer , let us take a short survey of the Florentin Council , of which I can not but blame you of neglect , in that you give your Reader so slender an account : And if I must not flatter your sloth , I know not how otherwise to excuse it , then that you were not conversant at all in it ; and so you rested satisfied , with what your cleer-sighted friends told you , or Cherubinus his , Vbi hoc idem firmatum fuit : since ( if it were possible ) the Council seems more full and home to our Question . And first , In the Third Article which the Publishers gave you it defines ; If truely penitent Souls shall depart this life , before they have satisfied for their Commissions and Omissions , by worthy fruits of Penance : that their Souls are purged by the punishments of Purgatory after their bodies death , &c. Which Doctrine can finde no admittance in your new modell ; for all the sufferings of souls , which you fancy by their irregular , and now unchangeable affections , avail nothing as to the Purging or cleansing of Souls in their state of Separation : since that is wholly reserved , by you , to the change of those affections at the re-union . And secondly , when Art . 4. upon this Doctrine of the Council so said down , it pursues to declare unto us : That Souls which are purged either in their bodies , ar being uncloathed of their bodies ( as is above said ) are presently received into heaven . I would have you to observe , how this further Doctrine of the delivery of them , and the compleating of this purging being uncloathed of their bodies , is by this Parenthesis , as is above said , wholly built on the former Doctrine , of the purging itself : And it will be unavoidable , since there is a Purgation of souls by the punishments of Purgatory against you ; that there also is as effectually concluded , a compleat Purgation of them whilst uncloathed of their bodies , and an immediate delivery , perfectly condemning , and destructive of your Doctrine in the very point in Question . But that my Reader may have a cleerer view of this unavoidable Truth , let us set together , and compare this Doctrine of the Council with yours . The Council defines , That truly penitent souls which depart this life before they have satisfied for their sins , are purged by the punishments of Purgatory after death ; and being thus purged uncloathed of their bodies , are presently received into Heaven . Or as the Pope more expresly pronounces : before the reassumption of their bodies , and the general Iudgment . Now how happily do you , and your new Master agree with this Doctrine , when you tell us , Souls which depart this life with affections to corporal pleasures , suffer a vast grief , by reason those pleasures are now impossible to be enjoyed , but they are now in an unchangeable condition both as to the affections their torment , and the state it self . So that there is no hope they should ever be released before reunion with their bodies ; for though they suffer by their inordinate unchangeable affections , yet not possibly as to any purging or change of their state or sufferings , whilest uncloathed of their bodies ; and therefore can not Presently , be received into Heaven , or before the Re-assumption of their said bodies , and the general Day of Iudgment . And I would have you further to observe and weigh the words ; Sunt purgatae , are now purged , in the preterpersect Tense , either in their bodies , ( which you do not deny compleatly perfected in some souls , in this life , ) or uncloathed of their bodies , which still irrationally , gratis , and wilfully you deny , though the Council defines of both in the same form and style of words , Sunt purgatae , they are now purged . Which cleerly imports a Purgation now past , and perfectly compleated . But we Will take our rise a little Higher , from the very process of both the Greek and Latin Fathers in this business of Purgatory , now assembled at Ferrara , where this Council ( though afterwards translated to Florence and so is called the Florentin Council , ) began . For there in the very beginning of the Council in order to this Decree , this Question of Purgatory was handled . See tom . 4. Concil. Gen. oct. Synod . Quaestio de Purgatorio . And both the Latin and Greek Fathers lay down their several Positions of Purgatory . And First the Latins thus begin . We do believe in this world , a Purgatory fire : by which the souls guilty of lighter faults ( that is ) venial sins , are purged . For those who have confessed their sins , and have received the most sacred Body of Christ , and presently die before previous satisfaction : without doubt in the above-named fire , which is commonly called Purgatory , are purged ; and together with the help of the Church , the prayers of Priests , Masses , and Alms , are expiated . After this the Greeks lay down their perswasion of Purgatory in this manner . We judge ( say they ) Purgatory not to be a fire , but a darksome placee full of afflictions , in which souls now being , are deprived of Divine Light ; but that they are expiated and freed , from this darksome place and torments , by the help of the Church , the Prayers of Priests , Masses , Alms , &c. Now Sir , it were beyond all the degrees of modesty to assert that the question of Purgatory was not here disputed or defined : Or that they talked onely of Charity , as being an immediate disposition to bliss . And it is most cleer , that out of these several professions , in which both sides agreed against you , directly and home to our Point in question , of an expiation and delivery from this Purgatory ( either a fire , or a darksome place , ) issued out this definition ( Being purged , uncloathed of this body , presently ) opposite to your Errour . And I would have my Reader to observe how positively , it was intended by the Council , to deliver us the Faith of the Church conformable to the unanimous Doctrine of both parties , both of the expiation or perfect Purging of Souls , when uncloathed of their bodies , and of their present delivery , whilest uncloated , for in all this , both the Greek and Latin Fathers cleerly agreed , against this new School : which when he shall have considered , I doubt not but he will rest satisfied , it can not be an act of the Vnderstanding , but of the Will , which forces the word Presently to signifie ( if it signifie any thing at all by these moderns ) at the day of Iudgement , which was not the time , either the Latin or Greek Fathers ever thought of , but of the intermediate time of separation , which is our business now in hand . But because this Point is excellently well handled , by an eminently Learned Person of out Nation , who with unavoidable strength pursues it more at large , in a Paper which came lately to my hands , I will presume to give it my Reader in his own words at the end of my discourse [ Letter C. ] And further Sir , for your more compleat and full satisfaction , since with confidence enough you strongly assert , That it is Incomparably false , that either the Pope or Council ever intended to settle this Point of the delivery of Souls out of Purgatory before reunion . I will add to the Paper of this great Divine , the answer of a School-fellow of yours , ( yet if I mistake not , a much better proficient , in your Masters Doctrine , certainly much more ingenuous ) who vanquished with the evidence of this Truth , acknowledges , what indeed he could not with any modesty deny , That this your new Doctrine of Purgatory stands condemned by both the Bull and Council : and yet he was so captivated , that he endeavours to sustain it by other grounds , he had now learnt in your School . My Reader shall find his Letter at large , [ Letter D. ] Sect. 17. But before I pass any further , since I have already told you , that both Master White , the Author of this Purgatory , and his abler Scholars are armed against the Authority both of Popes and Councils , it will not be out of my Readers way , but very much conducing to my design of giving him a prospect of this School , if now by some short reflections on the Doctrine delivered both by this ingenious Gentleman , and Master White himself , I make good that charge . For by them it will appear to what unavoidable exigencies , the defence of new Fabricks in Religion , drive those , who wedded to their preconceived Phylosophical fancies , are resolved ro square their belief to them . This ingenuous Scholar confesses , That truly according to the opinion that the Holy Ghosts assistance in Councils and Consistories it without restriction or limitation : the Paper delivered [ Letter C. ] seems to him to evidence a deliverance of Souls out of Purgatory , before the Day of Iudgment . But according to the opinion , that the assistance of the Holy Ghost , in Councils and Consistories , is no longer then there is a diligent search to find out what Christ taught , and the Apostles delivered as so taught ▪ there appears onely , that the Council of Florence and Pope Benedict , did think it to be so , which may raise opposition to a disobedience , but not to an Heresie . &c. So that unless We shew that the Council of Florence and Pope Benedict determined conformably to Tradition ; Mr. Blacklowes ( that is Master Whites ) calling the doctrine and practice new , will not savour the least of Heresie , &c. But foreseeing the strange consequences of this Doctrine , he therefore Adds , This puts all to a loss ; for how shall it be known , that Councils and Consistories apply themselves aright ? Easily ( says he ) by examining Tradition of what you have seen and heard . This is the common light , and plain way promised , to keep even fools from straying from Christs Doctrine . Thus he . Now Sir this Exterminating Doctrine was learnt in Master Whites School , where it is but too too frequent . And first , as to the infallibility of the Pope , without which no submission , as to Faith , can take place . Master White * ( now being constituted by God a speculatour ) proclaims against it with sound of trumpet , and tells us , That to maintain the Pope to be infallible , is Heretical . Son . Bu● . and Tabulae Suffragiales , tab. 19. nay Archiheretical , tab. 20. nay the most Horrid of all sins , the sin of sins ; and for fear we should want Examples , worse then violating sacred virgins on Altars ; then treading the ever B. Sacrament of Christs body , under foot ; Or bringing the Turk or Antichrist , into the Christian Dominions . Son . Buc. tract. 2. § . 22. Tab. Suff. tab. 21. And having thus rid his hands of the Pope , he proceeds against the infallibility of the Councils , in his Tab. Suff. tab. 22. This being his signal Doctrine . Non est impossibile , &c. It is not impossible that the Pope or Council should attempt to establish that , ( as now of Faith , which was some time before not of Faith ) and by that very attempt fall into an error , and even promulgate that error , &c. And further he tells us , As to a certain prophetick inspiration immediately and miraculously , enlightning the Council or Pope , if constantly and by the ordinary Law of God it be asserted to be required ; it is altogether fabulous , and asserted without any solid ground . Thus he . Upon these grounds ( I say ) did this good proficient in this his Masters School , endeavour to sustain your otherwaies ruinous Fabrick of Purgatory ; for in truth there is no other means left to support it , but by the destruction of all the Authority of both Popes and Councils to deliver us our holy Faith . And now I desire my Reader to consider , ( for his just and full satisfaction of the design of this School ) that if these grounds be once admitted , Christian Faith , ( which they now combat , ) is a meer mockery . For if after all the Canons of Councils , all the Anathmaes pronounced against any Opinion , ( the very Anathema it self carrying with it , and being an exercise of that power , invested in the Church to oblige us to submission and beleef , ) it still remains to be showen , that the Pope or Council determined conformably to Tradition , or else Master Whites styling the doctrine and profession new , will not savour the least of Heresie ; or that it is not impossible , a Council may err , and promulgate an errour , we are at an irrecoverable loss : For no Catholick claims any other assurance of his Faith , then upon this firm foundation , that our holy Mother the Church , is his infallible Directress . That the Councils her mouth are the unerring Deliveres of Truth . Which if it stand no firm absolutely , but upon a supposition of a due application ( it being impossible we should have any higher or more authentique proof , of this supposition , then the Council it self ) there is no security , no assurance left of any thing delivered by them . Not so ( says he ) We may easily know , when Councils and Consistories apply themselves aright , by examining tradition , of what we have seen and heard . And shall I a private an illiterate Christian ( not yet acquainted with these solid and cleer-sighted Persons ) recall all the decrees of Councils to a new examine ? is there still a higher Court , to which I may and ought to appeal , from their sentence , as to a superiour Iudg and Umpire over them ? shall I take this liberty upon me , to censure their Proceeds , to admit , to reject their definitions , as my weakness shall find them consonant to , or dissonant from , what I have seen and heard ? and if they were to receive their approbation from this Court : How can I ( unless a senseless pride blind me ) hope , that my industry in the search , my ability to find , shall not only equallize , but even exceed that of five hundred , perhaps a thousand Bishops and Prelates , and the scrutiny of numberless Divines , assisting them in this Inquest ? And even to ease us of this sollicitude , you see what exact care is taken , in these proceeds . Pope Benedict here tells you of the holy Church , that she teaches nothing rashly , brings in nothing unwarily , introduces nothing in faith unadvisedly . And hence it is that all such sacred decisions are still ushered in , with some such expressions as these . After an humble invocation of the holy Ghost . After a careful examination of the matter . After a dilige●● deliberation with our brethren , &c. But if all this sollicitude in truth , signifie nothing , if we must not acquiesce here , but re-examine all in a higher tribunal ; i● not this the utter Extermination of all that authority we hitherto have believed the Church is furnished with , to deliver us our holy Faith ? Is not this to resolve finally ( en dernier resort , ) our Creed into our own brests , to make every idle head competent Judge of Popes , Councils , Consistories , All ; And them Judges of just nothing ? wherein do those loose bands of disagreeing Protestants , all disagree from us , and all agree against us , but in this that we acquiesce and submit to the holy Church , as the faithful keeper and dispenser of our Faith , and Tradition ; and so submit , that from her sentence we admit no Appeal , against her decrees , we admit no Contradiction , whilst they by a supereminent pride , assume to themselves a power to judg this Pillar of Truth , and resolve All into their own capriccioes , private reason , spirit , fancies , pride , and nothing . And yet I pray you consider whether by this appealing from the Church to Tradition ; what we have seen and heard : we are not sunk into a deeper sink of Errour , of Independancy , then they ? for they appeal to Scripture , which ( though irrationally ) they accept as Canonical ; they admit their Translations as authentick , and contest the sense onely with the Church , whilst this Doctrine affoords us a far more full and ample reserve to evacuate all Faith at our pleasures : since it is still in our power , and we competent Judges , what is Tradition ; what not : where the Council proceeded with due Application upon the depositum of Faith , where upon the uncertain wavering opinions of Schoolmen , or pretended assistance of the Holy Ghost : which extends to Creeds , Catechismes , Definitions , yea , the very Canon of Scriptures , and indeed All that any way belongs to Christian Religion . Nor will it avail , if this Gentleman , should tell me , that I do him wrong to rank his Doctrine with that of the Protestants , or indeed hold it worse then theirs , for the Protestants down right tell us the Church hath erred de fact● in these & these Points in particular . He and Master White more modestly and shily mince the matter , and teach us that possibly onely , or not impossibly , the Council may err , and promulgate an errour . And perhaps he will say that these inconveniencies are saved , by this his succeeding Doctrine in the same place . Tab. 22. For there having delivered this his Doctrine against the infallibility of Councils , he presently adds : But it is impossible that such an errour ( thus promulg'd by the Council ) should pass into an establisht Doctrine of the Church , and be accepted as a Doctrine delivered by the Fathers , and preached by Christ . For as to the first , it will presently appear even in this our question , that if their new model of Purgatory be subsistent , not only possibly , or not impossibly , but de facto , the Florentin Council and Church hath erred in this particular . And since to say , even not impossibly the Council may err , the foundation of all assurance is now pulled up ; I know not but this Doctrine is as high , and higher Independancy then theirs : And as to those words of Master Whites . I answer , that they notwithstanding , it is still in his power by his former Doctrine ( that it is not impossible the Council may err , and promulgate an error ) to evacuate all the Canons of all the Councils at his pleasures ; for however the Authority of the Council now stands ingaged in the definition of any Doctrine : however the Decree is now published to the whole world , however the Church accept of the Decree , however all Catholiques submit to the Decree , yet it remains still in his power to say , It never passed into an established Doctrine of the Church , whilest he , or his cleer-sighted Scholars intend to shake it . And how far this his reserve of an establisht Doctrine , delivered by Fathers , and preached by Christ , extends , will sufficiently appear in his very attempt of the Faith of the Church in our Question of Purgatory . ( For I have reason to beleeve , he had a special regard to his beloved Purgatory , when he renounced thus the Authority of Councils . ) The consciences of all the illiterate Catholiques bear witness , that the delivery of Souls from Purgatory , is now their received Faith , from their present Pastors and Teachers ; no Divine but knows , that for Three hundred years and upwards , ever since the promulgation of Pope Benedict his Bull , no Orthodox Writer but submits to his Decree as unquestionable : Master White himself tells us , That St. Gregory the great was the first Founder of that Faith ( we now fight for ) a thousand years ago , pursued and sustained by the numberless number of incomparably eminent Doctors and Saints . In sum , if there be any Article of our Faith witnessed , any establisht , it is this : not any one carrying after it a more ample continued practise , not any one testified by so many Foundations , Prayers , Masses , Almes , &c. as this . And yet this is no establisht Doctrine of the Church : It is not a Truth delivered by Fathers , as preacht by Christ . And therefore he being overwhelmed with the consent of the whole Church for a thousand years , appeals with the Protestants to the Primitive Ages immediate to Christ ; their plea and his being just the same , differing onely in this , that they say , the substance of Purgatory is not the establisht Doctrine of the Church as delivered by Fathers , preacht by Christ : He , that the delivery of Souls from thence , is not even yet established . Sect. 18. This Doctrine then is not the way ( as our ingenious Scholar says ) to keep fools from straying , but the way to make fools stray , and supposes a high folly in him who accepts it ; who leaves the received Doctrine of the holy Church , to gadd after new models of a modern Divine . But the way to keep both fools and wise men from straying , is that which all the wise men in the world have hitherto followed , to acquiesce , to submit , to the Church , the Pillar of Truth , without further dispute or reserve , without further examination of her Decrees , by what we have seen and heard . We know assuredly , that he shall never have God his Father in Heaven , who hath not the Church his Mother on Earth . And how injurious would he shew himself ( sayes the pious Emperour Marcianus ) to the most Reverend Synod , who should attempt to question anew , and publickly dispute and controvert such points as are once judged and rightly determined . For who will grant ( says Pegna ) more authority to the Opinions of single persons disputing of Faith , according to their own Fancy , then to the definitions of Councils lawfully called and congregated , where the Fathers hearts are governed by the Holy Ghosts dictamen . T is already excellently well decreed , for many Reasons , That things once defined should be no more called in question . For if such Doctrines as are thus constituted and decreed , should be again brought under doubt and disputation ; surely no Iudgment or Sanction would remain firm and strong against any Errours what soever : every establisht Truth and Definition of the Church being troubled afresh with the same Furies . Thus Gelasius the First related by Gratian . By which my Reader will observe , how far a different road , that ancient piety of Christians , walkt in , to Heaven , then what is now chalked out to us , by this School armed against the Authority of Popes and Councils . Sect. 19. But before I leave this Point , I will mind my Reader , That if it were ( as he supposes it ) lawfull , for every man to call the Decrees of Popes and Councils to a new trial by this Touchstone of Tradition , by asking his very Question , What we have seen and heard ? my Adversary hath lost his cause . For to this Question , being proposed in our present controversie of Purgatory , what can we with truth answer ; but that we have seen innumerable Masses , Dirges , Alms , & c ? and that we have constantly heard , that souls are delivered out of Purgatory by these powerfull helps , before the Day of Iudgment ? And what can we with truth answer ; but that we have hitherto beleeved this ; and if we are still our selves , and are not so inconstant as to be carried away wi●h the wind of a new Doctrine , we do beleeve it , and shall continue to believe it . And for the proof of this Assertion , I appeal safely even to the Consciences of those few Proselytes this new Master , Master White , hath gained : Whether till of late this new Systeme of Purgatory came to light , they ever entertained the least doubt of it ? Whether it were not their full perswasion ? A Doctrine which they beleeved to have been delivered with as firm and constant an Authority , as any other whatsoever ? Whether ever they divided this , from the rest of their Faith , and allowed it a less degree of assurance onely , as of Opinion ? Nor will it avail my Adversary to say , That it was indeed his full perswasion , bu● not his beleef ; he never understood it , ( though delivered to him from his present Pastors ) as the Faith of the Church , but onely as the generally received Opinion of Divines : and that in truth he never ranked it among the Articles of his Creed , but in a lower form , of I know not what consent of Schoolmen . For the Experience of all Mankind will refute this falshood . And confident I am , if a long perswasion of his now received Doctrine hath not effaced the memory of his past disposition of soul , his own conscience bears witness against him . For as to the whole Universality of Catholiques , they still assert and sustain this Faith ; they hear not of this novelty without horrour . And for that handfull of persons who are ( thanks be to God ) not one in a million , who have of late embraced the contrary : let them ( for it highly concerns them ) duely examine their consciences , Whether the private esteem of their Master , Master White , the Authour of this Doctrine ; the comfortable new apprehensions he introduces , in lieu of that great terrour and fear they before were in , of the sufferings of that state : the easing their Consciences from the incumbent care of assisting their departed friend● , ( for all this is immediately wrought by an acceptance of this Position ) hath not wrought upon their inconstancy to abandon the Tents of the Church , and to list themselves in this new Squadron , to impugn their pious Mother : to forsake a formerly received Beleef , now to adhere to a new Doctrine , which certainly at the first proposal checkt their former perswasion , the holy Faith planted in their Souls . Nor ▪ hath the contrary Assertion any thing but a bold confidence to warrant it ; for we know , we feel , we experience in our selves this Beleef . We do beleeve the Councils can not misguide us . We do beleeve the delivery of Souls , before the Day of Iudgment . This is our Faith as firm as a Rock , not to be shaken by all the Sophistry of the world . If it were possible ( as certainly it is not possible ) that it could be evidenced that our faith of both these is erroneous : yet certainly it could never carry any f●ce of probability , that we have not hitherto , or even yet do not beleeve them ; every man being furnisht within his own brest , with an irrefragable witness , stronger then all the wit and Logick of the world . The Protestants face us down that we make Idols of ●●ictures , against our own souls and knowledge : What impudence is this ? And shall this new School have the confidence , against all mens experience , thus to give the Lye to the Consciences of the whole Christian world ? So that I hope my Reader rests satisfied , that even this Cour● ( to which he appeals ) hath given sentence against him , even by this Question , what we have seen and heard . And how happily hath this our great Master , Master White Arraigned himself ( as the first Author of our new Purgatory , or any other the first Bro●cher of a new Doctrine ) under the person of Luther . Sonus Buccinae Tract. 1. § . viii . before the Tribunal of his Bishop , or a Nuntius of the Apostolick See . That his own condemnation might be the more solemn , and the sentence pronounced against himself conceived in his own words : Thus then he makes Luthers , and his own Process ; And let him be asked ( sayes he ) of the Doctrine of which he stands suspected ( and much more if now he hath sustained in Print ) whether he believes ( this his new Doctrine of Purgatory ) to be that Doctrin which this present Age he now lives in , received from their Fathers , of the immediate foregoing Age ? Whether he received it in his childhood , when he was first instructed in Christian belief , and which , till he now became a Doctor , he followed ? And let him answer for himself ( for what other answer can he make ) then that ( this his new broached Purgatory ) is not that Doctrin he thus was taught , whilst he was yet a Child : But that it is better Doctrine then the former , which he himself hath now evinced out of sacred Monuments : Heathen Poets , out of the Bowels and Principles of Nature , by Demonstration , And that the contrary Doctrine to which he had been bred , took its rise onely from ignorance of the nature of separated substances . And let the faithfull people ( says he ) encompass the Tribunal , now educated in this faith , that the Authority of things which 〈◊〉 stand bound to beleeve , descends , handel down from Christ our B. Saviour , and is otherwise , even till this Age : Will they n● cry out upon him as an Innovatour , a Prophane Person , an Heretick : will they not proclaim and invoque to Prisons , Fire , with him ; to rid such a plague out of the world ? And he pursues . But let the people be silent , and let the Iudge ●erge him . And do you not know , Sir , this new Doctrine fights against the known Laws of your Country ? that such an Author as you are first thrust out of the sacred Communion of the faithful , should expiate or pay for this his presumption with death ? Do you not know that you now fight against the Fathers and Monuments of Antiquity ? that you combate an immemorable custome ? that you now impugne that reverence due to our most dear Parents ; by whom above all things else , the contrary Doctrine ( of Purgatory ) is recommended to us as most profitable both for soul and body ? And since it can not with any face be denyed , but that he knows he contends against all these : Let the Iudg further urge him . From whence Sir can you hope to draw any Argument of that evidence , which may inforce us and other prudent men to follow this noveltie with an obdurate soul ? And let him answer that out of the Scriptures . And the Iudg reply ; and do not you know , that wilfully you inhere to holy Scriptures ? Do you not know that words , do not signifie naturally , but by institution ? And therefore the construction of words is sub●ect to such variety , that it is impossible to pick out any sence demonstratively , at least any one expresly repugnant to the Doctrine of so many wise men , who all of them indeavour the understanding of those sacred Texts as well as you . Or can you pretend Christian Faith is directed by the ●ables of Heathen Poets , or that you now can demonstratively shew out of the Principles of reason , that to be false , which we all have with unavoidable Authority , hitherto believed to be true ; or that you now have attained to such a cleer understanding of the nature of separated souls , that all the learning of mankind before you , could not reach that , which now you pretend to have demonstratively and scientifically proved ? Is it not evident ( sayes he ) that this large-wide mouth'd gaping promiser will produce nothing worthy the hearing , but must needs b● esteemed as a meer frantick and mad person ? as he who Vaunts , he will do that , which all learned men know is impossible , and the very unlearned see is improbable . And further he pursues ; let the same , or another Writer , ( sayes he ) being now unmindful of his own weakness , imagin to himself , that either by his own reason , or explication of Scriptures , he hath now found out that which all former ages were ignorant of ( to wit ; that now in the third age or mans estate of the Church , we shall be directed by faith no longer 〈…〉 for the future by his demonstrations , which is the Position of this our Master , as we shall presently see . ) And that this truth was left by God to him , to be revealed and manifested to the Church : Of which Position the vulgar Christians , as a sluggish Cattel not at all given to speculation know nothing , and so he contemns them ; he laughs at the Doctours , he styles the Saints lyars , because men : but that he himself is the first to whom God hath made known so great a mystery . But though he be a most arrogant person , let him weigh with him , and consider : Though I have hitherto contemplated this sublime and happy truth : But when I come to propose this Doctrine to others , they will presently object , and ask whether Christian Faith hath any other ground of its security then a continued succession through all ages to our present time ? Do you Sir promise this new light , of science , of Demonstration ? If I deny it , will they not presently hiss me out ? Will they not cry out to the faggot with me ? And shall we believe that in such a disposition of the faithful people , that ( such an Innovatour ) will dare to print or publish his novelty ▪ or that he shall hope to find either buyers of his Book , or followers of his Doctrine , Thus he . And thus Sir , your great Master pleads the cause , and arraigns himself , and all the Proselytes of his new Purgatory , thus he thunders and lightens , and I think home to our purpose , for the consciences of all the faithful bear witness against it , the unlearned know it is improbable , and the learned see it is impossible . Having said this to the ingenuous Gentleman , the Author of that Letter , who is a very able proficient in this new School . I hope he will pardon me , if I make his Letter publick without his name : I hope these short reflections on his and his Masters grounds , without which he acknowledges this Purgatory can not be sustained , will prove an effectual admonition to him , both to see and repent , that he hath entred himself a Scholar into this dangerous School , and therefore out of hand to withdraw his name . Sect. 20. And now Sir I hope this better proficients judgment will be of some weight , since he is your School-fellow . I think an unprejudiced understanding will be convinced , by that evidence I have already brought : the undoubted intention of the Pope was , to deliver us our holy Faith , in all the several conditions of souls , which depart this mortal life , either in the state of grace , or out of it ; either which need , or need not any Purgation in the next life , and for the Council , besides the strength of words of the Decree , the very Process of it , the several Doctrines of the Latine and Greek Churches in order to this Decree , will evince that their intentions reach as home , to our purpose , as their words . But because the Reverend Esteem of ●●ur new Master , and of those solid , and cleer-sighted persons stop your eares against the voice of the Church : Let us try that Musick which certainly would cure you of this Tarantula . What if we could obtain your new Master to plead on the behalf of that Faith we now maintain ? this certainly would prevail : Let us attempt it then ; if you are not as yet so good a proficient in your new School , that you are ready to believe , the Council erred in this particular question of Purgatory : I doubt not to conclude you out of your Masters own grounds . Master White then layes you down this fundamental Doctrine . The Church ( sayes he ) in her definitions of Faith proceeds onely on tradition : and declares to us , that Depositum of Faith , which was handed down from Christ , and his Apostles , by an innumerable number of Fathers and Pastors , to their numberless children and flock , through age to age , even to any one detèrminate moment . When then any controversie is to be decided , and a Council is summoned to declare our Faith ; what course is then taken ? surely no other then this . The Fathers there gathered , lay down that Faith thus handed down to them , which they received from their precedent teachers , and was commended to them to deliver to posteri●y , as a sacred treasure not to be violated , since it is their light , their guide in their way to Heaven . This Doctrine presupposed ; let it not be denyed , but the Florentin Council proceeded in that very way he hath chalked out for them , in our present question , and my work is done . Let us take a view of the Council . Both the Greek and Latine Fathers meet first at Ferrara , afterwards at Florence ; their business there is to declare the Faith of the Church , concerning the state of souls which depart this life ; and in particular , concerning the Souls which are detained in Purgatory : both sides lay down their hitherto received Faith , in order to a decision . Let us see how happily they agree with this new molded Purgatory . And first as to the Latins . They ●elieve a Purgatory Fire directly against Master White , who pretends to demonstate , that no material agent can work upon the soul in its state of separation ; they believe that souls guilty of venial impurities , are purged by this fire , directly against Master White who holds ; there is no purging of the soul in the state of separation , neither by fire , nor not by fire ; for this is reserved to the reunion , when her now torment , her irregular affections shall be changed . They believe that souls there detained , by this fire together with the help of the Church , the Prayers of the Priests , Masses , Almes , &c. are Expiated . directly against Master White , in the point in Question , both as to the indivisible duration of the state , he pretends to demonstrate , and the unchangeableness of it , and the continuation of it till the day of Iudgment . Being thus unfortunate with the Latins , who must needs have thrust this new School out of their Communion ; let us see what favour it would find with the Greeks . These then profess this belief : That souls there , are detained in a darksome place . Directly against Master White , who holds that souls in the state of separation doe not only abstract from place , but comprehend , and are in some manner governours , of all place : they believe souls are expiated and freed , directly against Master White , who holds there is no expiating and freeing of souls , but at re-union with their bodies ; they believe souls are freed by the Prayers and Sacrifices of Priests , Almes , &c. directly against Master White , in all the wayes before mentioned , both as to his indivisible measure , or duration of souls , the unchangeableness of their state , and the continuation of it , till the day of Iudgment . And most especially both sides unanimously agree against him , in asserting the efficacy of Prayers , and Sacrifices of the Priests , for the dead ; for in his new systeme ( as shall be evidenced hereafter ) these endeavours advantage not the souls any thing at all . What wonder then , if out of both the Greek and Latin Professions , thus directly opposite to him , should issue out a Decree directly destructive of this his Machin : or whilst neither part would admit him into their Communion ; they should conspire to destroy his errour . The sacred Council approving : We define ( say they ) that the souls of them , who after Baptisme received , have contracted no blemish of sin , as also those souls , who after they have contracted the blemish of sin , are purged either in their bodies , or being uncloathed of their said bodies , are presently received into heaven . What wonders is it , we should have a purging of souls uncloathed of their bodies , and a p●esent Translation into Heaven , in which both sides agreed against him , destructive of all this new Doctrine ? And truly what to answer to this evidence but by those other grounds , that the Council did not proceed with due Application , and so erred ; I cannot imagine . And now I think I have fulfilled my promise to my Reader , that either this new model of Purgatory cannot subsist , or else the Council , in our very point in question , hath not only possibly , or not impossibly , but de facto proceeded to an erroneous definition ; de facto by this attempt hath fallen into an errour , and de facto publisht it to the World . And the Church which hath constantly imbraced this Faith , hath de facto erred as well as it . And now I hope your peremptory When , hath received its answer , your so many times reiterated question . When is this purgation perfected , comp●eated , ended ? Take the Popes answer ( since I hope you are not so good a proficient as to detest and abhominate his authority , to teach you faith , ) before the resumption of their bodies , and the general day of Iudgment : Let the Council satisfie you , ( if you are not poysoned with that detestable Doctrine that it may err too , as well as the Pope ) being purged , even uncloathed of their bodies , presently . Agree and reunite your self to the Catholick Church , and be refractory no longer upon the itch of novelties , of seeming wiser then all the Christian World ever was before you . Sect. 21. But still you bite the Bridle ; these words so directly opposite to your errour , are in these sacred decisions : there they are , and there they must remain , maugre the Gates of Hell which shall never prevail against this Faith ; and when you have turned your self into all your postures , you appear with this pitiful evasion ; these words are ●here indeed , but ( say you , pag. 19 20. &c. ) they reach not home to our point : The Popes ante reassumptionem , &c. before the reunion , depends on the precedent words ; when after death they shall be purged , and after the aforesaid purgation , which words also should have stalked in great Letters ; This purgation is indeed supposed , but no way defined : and for the Councils , Presently , it also depends on the foregoing words ; being purged , uncloathed , &c. which presupposes a purgation held by some divines , in the state of separation , but no way Decrees it ; and since the question was not then of the truth of this supposition , ( as now it is , ) but that then it was admittted without more adoe ; you grant us , that in that supposition those words passed into the Pope and Councils Decrees : The Pope indeed was of the opinion , that the purgation ●f souls might be compleated in the state of separation ; but what does that concern you : You lawfully dissent from his Opinion if you find reason , but not from his Faith : where he opin●s , you follow him as far as his reason leads ; but where he defines you submit . Now Sir as to this , I wondered at your last word submit , for I understand not you , if you understand your Master . We are here in a business of Faith , and certainly you pass a very handsome complement upon the Pope , when you tell him you submit to his definitions : If this be real , ( since your submission in faith can not be grounded but upon the supposition that he is infallible ; ) your Master will instantly discard you out of the School : For an Heretick an Arch-Heretick ; for an introducer of Antichrist into Christendome : This censure he hath fixt on this Doctrine , as I have told you before . But as to your plea , though ( to use your own Phrase ) it is incomparably false , as is before evinced ; nor can it according to your Masters own grounds take place in the Council , where they proceed upon the depositum of Faith : Yet to give you that satisfaction , we will joyn issue in this your subtility , as if your plea were allowable . And in truth , when you say that they proceeded on this as a supposition onely , Yonr moderate Reader will much blame the boldness of this attempt , because it will leave very ill consequences behind it ; and besides he will tell you , that you had a very great disesteem both for the Pope● and Council : and that you fancied them to be admirably ridiculous Persons ▪ who should proceed to definitions of Faith , to declar● us Articles of our belief , which regulate so much practis● , on suppositions , not only false but impossible . The whole Christian World was in labour about the state of souls in Purgatory , the East and Western Churches meet , the diligent scru●iny of Divines make a search into all Libraries , Papers , Scrowls : and after all these Throwes , the issue is , n●nsensical definitions upon not onely ridiculous and false , but impossible suppositions . If they had troubled their heads , to tell us that when the Sky falls , we shall catch Larks : it had been tollerable ; the supposition had been foolish , not impossible : But to tell us , and make ●uch a putther to tell us , when you remaining yet what you are , shall become an Angel ? what then shall happen : when indeed nothing shall happen , or any thing may happen , is to render the supream Pastor of the Church , the sacred Assemblies of ●h● shepheards of our souls a laughing stock to children . And yet this is our very case according to you ; for upon this bare and impossible supposition ; that the purgation of separated souls might be compleated before reu●ion , issued this impossible Doctrine , that they were presently , and before the day of Iudgment received into heaven . And if you had but weighed those very Examples you use ( pag. 20. 21. ) you would have observed this . What sense will this bear ? A Prisoner when acquitted by Proclamation , becomes a free-man : or Fire applyed to combustible matter presently burns ; if it be absolutely impossible the Prisoner should ever be acquitted by Proclamation , or that fire should ever be applyed to combustible matter ? what practise can we regulate by such Positions ? and yet your self had a ●winkling light of it p. 21. for having asked your friend , when you should see him in the Coantry ? You complain of his canting answer , when he tells you , as soon as he comes down , he will visit you , since ( as you say ) it was the confidence of this , which made you inquire the other We must be confident then of the supposition , or else what is drawn out of it , is nothing . If it were impossible , your time should ever be out , under this your new Master , your setting up a new School for your self , would signifie nothing , If it be impossible That you should ever hav● performed your previous exercises , your presently proceeding Doctour would be out of doors . So ●hat without being an Oedipus , if the supposition ( as you will needs have it ) that Souls may be purged uncloathed of their Bodies , be impossible , the definitions both of the ●ope and Councill are more silily ridiculous , then any Fable in Aesop or Ovid , for in these there is still some Morall or Physicall Mystery coucht for our Instruction , in them nothing at all . But how do you parrallel pag 22 , 23. your Adversaries proceed , in obscuring some words in an obscure Letter , or render it worse , then if he should set in Cpaital Letters , Christ is not risen from the dead , and our preaching is vain , in lieu of these words of St. Paul : If Christ is not risen from the dead : Then our preaching is vain , the cases being so far different : for here St. Paul out of one absurdity which his adversary admitted , deduces an other absurdity , and presses it against him . And I pray you , when you write again , tell us , Whether the Councill and Pope Dispute here only , and Define nothing , or whether they argue only as St. Paul did : If Souls be purged , uncloathed of their Bodies , they presently are received into Heaven before Iudgment : both which according to you , are impossible . And yet , Sir , I applaud your conceit as pretty , to possess your Reader , that the Pope and Councill does not only not Define against you , but indeed Define nothing at all , and only dispute against your Adversary , pressing out of one impossibility , which he admits , an other which follows it . But you tell us , p. 28. and that very truly , that among the Divines in the Schools , many times such impossible suppositions are sta●ed , to clear a point in question . And yet you are somewhat unfortunate in your examples ; for in this example you bring , If Iudas had repented heartily , God had been merciful to him : This is so far from being a Question , that no Christian can hold the negative . And for your other , If there had been no Trinity , there had been no Incarnation . The supposition indeed is impossible : but I would willingly know , what Divine Disputes it : Since it is impossible , we can have any light ; that in case there should be but one Person in God , he would not have taken Humane Nature upon him . But though your questions be indisputable , others upon impossible suppo●itions are : where the question cleers a formality which depends not on the impossibility of the supposition , ( fo● so it would be nothing ) but might be proposed in possible terms , though not so justly home to our understandings . As for example , the Divines dispute , Whether if the holy Ghost did not proceed from the Son , he would be distinguisht from the Son ? which question is no way impertinent : it bearing this sense in other words , Whether the procession of the holy Ghost from the Son , be the precise reasen of the distinction between those two Persons ? And so for our better comprehension of this nicity , is stated in that impossible supposition . But though this and the like nice subtilities may be●it Metaphysicall Schoolmen , yet with reasou you were shye , and therefore tell us , p. 28. However it may suit with the gravity of the Supreme Pastors Decrees , to proceed on such Metaphysicall nicityes : whilst in truth , without these mealy mouth'd excuses you should have plainly told us , That both the Pope and Councill proceeded on such quiddities , however it beseemed , or misbeseemed their Gravities , or else you tell us nothing as to your purpose of building these Definitions upon impossible suppositions : much less will it be to our purpose to tell us , That perfect Charity brings an immediate Heaven ; which is not ours ; nor the Popes Question , ●in which he was , as you would perswade us , to ennmerate all possible and imaginary Cases : And yet you would possess your Reader , as if those sacred Assemblies , who are to deliver the World that Faith which is to regulate the practice of all and every Christian , should proceed onely on these niceties and formalities of School-men : For you insinuate , p. 29. that the Pope spake onely to them : as if we were bound to beleeve in our Metaphysical Disputes in the Schools , whatsoever our practise be out of them . And yet all our practise of Devotions for the Dead , stands on the firmness of this Doctrine : which if built on an impossible supposition , these formalities can regulate just nothing . So that the Objection you made to your self , still remains in full force : That this is but an evasion , which gratis , and without any ground you make use of , to evade an otherwise unavoidable Authority . I can not then but lament the misfortune of that Age , that this School was not then opened , or hearkened unto ; that you your self were not called to counsel in this business : it would have saved both the Pope , and Councils credit ; you had quickly taught them what Suppositions to make ; what decisions to build on them , and much more effectually ; one Thomas the Englishman , appearing from the East of the Trinobants , had put a stop to this Torrent . My Reader himself will easily observe , what a wide gate is laid open by this Sphistry , to evacuate the rest of that Bull , nay , the most of our holy Faith , and Doctrine of manners . Wha● if another Trinobant should rise and assert , That it is not possible any souls of just men can pass out of this life , without need to be purged in the next : What could this Bull avail against him , though he should accept it ? What can this definition , That such souls passe immediately to Heaven , be of force against him , whom my Adversary hath furnisht with this ready Answer : It depends on a false supposition● the Opinion , not the Faith , of the Pope . What if an other should sustain , That it is not possible any soul should leave this life in mortal sin : what could he be concerned in this Decree : That such descend immediately to Hell : whilest to him this Doctrine is built , on a false supposition , the Opinion , not the Faith of the Pope . And in our other Beleef , what if a new Imp of Hell should arise , and admit onely a metaphorical , and not a real Son in divinis : How could this Blasphemy be repressed by Consubstantialem Patri , in the sacred Nicene Creed , whilest he is ready furnisht with his Answer ; This depends on this false supposition , That ●here is a real Son , which I deny . And in our Doctrine of Manners , what if the same miscreant should say , That a moderate affection to a Concubine , is a less crime then ●n immoderate love to a Wife , as less intangling our souls and hindring their pursuit of the Divine Love : what could the contrary Faith of all the Christian world , or the Doctrine of Christ , saying , If thou wilt enter into life , keep the Commandments , avail against him , who hath his Answer ready , That this Faith and Doctrine depends on this supposition , That God hath forbidden the one , and not the other ; whilst in truth , God hath neither commanded , nor forbidden any thing at all . Sect. 22. And now having answered this , I know not any thing else , thar carries any appearance of strength in your Book : So that I might fairly take leave of this Subject : But I will not be a Niggard to my Reader , I design to give him a cleerer view of your School , this will serve as an Introduction to those further discoveries I design for the future . And as to our present business of Purgatory ; My Reader may perhaps have met this new Model , sustained in English : he hath perhaps heard , that the Faith we here fight for , is but a late device brought into the Church by St. Gregory the Great , the glorious Apostle of our now unhappy Nation , pursued by Venerable Bede , Odilo , and a long Catalogue of eminent . Saints and Doctors , since that time , and so took its rise and continued support , by pi●us , but sillily credulous Monks : for all those Lights of the Church are most severely whipt for their foolish credulity of Dreams , Fansies , Melancholy apprehensions , and nothings . And besides , because it is provoked ( after the mode of our late cast-aways in Faith ) to the primitive Ages immediate to Christ : I will ( for my Readers just satisfaction ) give him two or three of the most eminently learned Fathers of those Ages , to which they appeal , and the rather because it will appear how far different their sentiments were , both as to the Substance of those sufferings , as well as to the Co●tinuation of them , from those of this modern School . Let Great St. Augustine stand in the Front . We may not doubt ( says he ) but that the dead are helped by the Prayers of the holy Church , and by the wholsome Sacrifice , and by the Almes , which are distributed for their souls , &c. For this is a Doctrine delivered by the Fathers , and observed by the whole Church . And afterwards ; Now when works of Mercy are performed for their assistance ; who doubts but that they help them , for whom prayers are not in vain offered up , to the Divine Majesty ? &c. This place I choose to stand in the Front , because it strongly asserts the Essence of Purgatory derived by Tradition from the Fore-fathers , and observed by the whole Church , and because it is so home to the relief , those souls receive by our Prayers and Alms. And now this great Father having told us , what he hath thus received as to the Substance , let him also tell us what he hath received as to their Sufferings there , and Continuation of them . Let no man say , I care not how long I must tarry in the way , if at last I come to aeternal life ; let no one say so , ( dear Brethren ; ) For surely , that Purgatory fire will be more severe then any punishment which can be felt or imagined in this world . And again : According to the greatness of the sin , shall be the length of the stay . And again : We must so long remain in that Purgatory fire , until the aforesaid small sins ( as it were Chips , Hay , Straw ) are consumed . Let us add to him , Learned Origen , more ancient then St. Augustine ; who though he afterwards erred , yet in all points stood cleer , when he writ those Learned Commentaries I here cite . The nature of the sin ( says he ) is like the matter which is consumed by the fire , which as the Apostle affirms , is built by sinners : who upon the Foundation of Christ , build Wood , Hay , Stubble : Whereby is plainly declared , That some sins are so light , as they may be compared to Stubble , to which if fire be applied , it can not stay long in it : Other sins are like Hay , which the fire also consumes without much difficulty ; though it stayes somewhat longer then in the Stubble : And other sins are compared to Wood , in which , according to the quality of the crimes , the fire finds a lasting and great substance to feed upon . Thus therefore each sin , according to its quality or quantity , is punished ; but for how long time , or how many Ages this purgation ( which is by the punishm●nt of fire ) shall endure ; he alone knows , to whom the Father hath committed all Iudgment . Let 's hear pious and learned S. Greg. Nyss. in that excellent disputation he had with h●s Sister Macrina . As they who purge Gold , ( saves he ) from its drossie mixture by the fire , do not onely melt that which is adulterate , but must of necessity melt that also , which is pure , together with the counterfeit , bad , and corrupted matter ; which corruption being consumed , the Gold remains purified : In like sort , it is also necessary , that whilst the naughtiness and corruption is consuming in the fire of Purgatory ; the soul , which is united to this naughtiness and corruption , must continue in the fire until that adulterate , gross , impure , and corrupt matter , be wholly abolisht and consumed , &c. Wherefore the torment and sorrow there suffered , is measured by the quantity of the Vitiosity ( as he terms it ) and naughtiness , which is found in each one of the sufferers . For it is not meet , that both of them , to wit , he who for a long time hath wallowed in forbidden evils , and he who hath faln into certain mean offences , should be equally tormented and afflicted , by the purgation of his vi●ious custome , and habitude : but proportionably to the measure and quantity of the matter , shall that pain-bringing flame be inkindled , to continue for a longer or shorter space of time , according as it shall find fewel to nourish it . The Soul therefore that is clogg'd with a great inherent burthen of matter , must necessarily suffer a great and longer induring flame , which may waste that matter : But the soul to which that consuming fire is applied for a less space of time , the p●nishment doth remit , so much of its vehement and severe operation , by how much the subject hath a less measure of corruption , vitiosity , and naughtiness to be consumed . I hope , Sir , when you have perused and duely weighed the how long which rendred St. Augustine so sollicitous , his length of the stay , in propottion to the greatness of the sin : the whose Analogy of Wood , Hay , Stubble , ( in which St. Paul had before delivered this Doctrine of Purgatory ) exactly answered by the time of their sufferings , in Origen : his how long time , how many Ages : The whole design of St. Greg. Nyssen in his discourse , his kindling the flame for a longer , or shorter time : his so many times repeated a great and longer induring flame : his apply'd for a less space of time , you will see those Ages to which you appeal , had far other apprehensions of Purgatory then are consistent with your new Systeme ; and perhaps a modest Christian Divine would have blusht to pronounce , That all these Apprehensions proceed but out of ignorance of the nature of separated Souls . De Med. Stat. dimens 17. And if He had had the least respect for Christian Religion , he would have sunk with shame , to appeal from all the Light of Christianity , to the ancient Fables and Fictions of Heathen Poets . How could those shameless words pass from his Pen ; Much better then and more solidly then they , did the Poet Philosophyse in the sixth the Aeneads , where he fansied to have found his Purgatory , never admitted or thought of in Christs School ? Pardon me , Sir , if a zeal hath transported me ; I can not endure the confidence of a Christian Writer , who should prefer a Fable of Virgil , before the consent of all Christianity , and that now in point of Faith , of Purgatory . It is to give an approbation to an infamous slander I have read in a modern Enemy of the Catholick Church : That she hath pickt her Tenets out of the Poets , and now their Fables stand canonized in her Creed . But to the consent of these great Lights of the Church , let us add the publique Lyturgy , the great conveyer of Tradition to us ; let it give testimony to this Faith . We find the Priest at the Propitiatory Sacrifice for the Dead , powring forth his Devotions in this manner . Dread Iudge ! whose Iustice is severe , Their long black score of sin make clear , Ere the Accounting Day appear . What new construction shall we have of this Ante diem rationis , ere the accounting day : and every where Grant them rest Eternall . Receive , O Lord , the Sacrifices and Prayers for those Souls we make a memory of this day make them pass from death to life . And more expresly in the Prayers and Post-communions . Grant , we beseech thee , O Lord , that the Soul of thy Servant being purged and discharged from his sins , by these now offered Sacrifices , may obtain mercy and Rest. What senseless Devotions are these whilst Separated Souls cannot be purged or discharged by any Sacrifice whatsoever , since that is reserved to the state of Reunion ? Sect. 23. But to this Clowd of witnesses , to all the Authority we can Imagin in the Catholick Church , to the consent of all the Christian world , Fathers , Councils , Popes , to the Constant and Universal practice of all the faithful , not any Church , Chappel , Altar , Oratory , but speaking it alowd , in their continual Prayers , Dirges , Masses , Almes , Doales , &c. What is opposed ? but , THOMAS ANGLVS E GENEROSA ALBIORVM IN ORIENTE TRINOBANTVM PROSAPIA ORIVNDVS . THOMAS THE ENGLISHMAN DESCENDED OF THE GENEROUS PROGENY OF THE ALBII ( I think he Construes it Whites ) IN THE EAST OF THE TRINOBANTS : A● which in good modest English is , Thomas White of Essex . Together with the autority of the Heathen Poets . Not so ( you willx say ) we have not this Thomas The Englishman , with this frightful title : but with his Reason , with his Demonstration : with that indisolvable Chaine of necessary conclusions , pursued with Irrefragable evidence ; through the most abstruse properties of Bodies , to the clear discovery of separated Substances , not onely of Souls , now severed from that Clay , which before inclosed them : but of Angels , those clean , pure Spirits , which never had any allay of drossy matter . Dives Promissis : To be rich in Promises may accompany very poor men : would your performance were answerable , though much short of the full proportion . This , truly Sir , is a very handsome invitation to your School . But is this the onely entertainment there ? O no , we have an incomparably higher and nobler feast prepared for us . All this is but his Peripateticks : the atchievment of Thomas the Englishman of the Albii of the East-Saxons . What shall we hope for in his Theology , now he hath gotten this much nobler Title ? What is it for the now great Trinobant to understand Men and Angels ? This towring soul flyes much a higher pitch ; by his Adamantine Chaine of Demonstrations , he soars up to the a inaccessible light of the Divinity , he leads us into the bosome of that incomprehensible essence , and there evidences by cleer light , the b Eternal Generation of the Word , the Procession of the Holy-Ghost : There he inlightens us cleerly to see , an Eternal Father , a Co-eternal Son , a substantial love , Generation , Processions , Nature , Persons , All : In sum whatever our astonisht humble Faith , hath hitherto only accepted by Revelation . c And yet which is more admirable then All this , and which never yet fell into any mans hopes or thoughts that it could be possible , even of those contingent verities , to which the Divine Will is free ; and where neither part of the contradiction determinately , can have any necessary tye to the Cause ( as certainly , all created truths are , for God to any thing besides God , can have no necessary connexion ) he with his incomparable Chain , fixes even in such contingencies , this determinat part of the contradiction . And all this after our great Knight , his standard bearer , Sir Kenelm Digby d had now held forth his new Torch , to the hitherto darkned World . May Sir , this your great Master be happy in his glorious undertakings ; may success attend and wait on his endeavours . Phaetont youthful attempt to drive the Sun , was nothing to this enterprise ; and yet — magnis excidit ausis . Happy we who are reserved to this third age of the Church which is no more to walk by Faith , but by Science ! Happy we that now live , when this new Sun appears from the East of the Trinobants , who gives the second Wing of Knowledg , to the Woman , to the Church ! but especially happy we to whom the acquaintance of this Miracle ( for a Man I dare not style him , nor an Angel , since even to them , but by Revelation , these Mysteries are hidd , ) hath not been denyed I May all other Doctrines be silenced , all other Schools shut up ; they have hitherto led us in a Clowd , in a submission of our understandings to obscure unseen verities , upon the Authority of God the Revealer : whilst he ( tearing this veile of ignorance , which incumbred our understandings , ) hath displayed with light and evidence , and plac't All in the mid-dayes Sun , whatsoever we have groped for hitherto , in the dark obscurity of Faith . Let us no more envy the happiness of those who conversed with our B. Saviour in Flesh , who heard that heavenly voice , who beheld that ravishing countenance , beautiful above the Sons of Men , who were eye-witnesses of those stupendious miracles he wrought , in confirmation of that Doctrine which he brought from the bosome of his Father . Let not an other bragg , he received his Faith from the mouth of S. Peter , the Rock : of S. Paul , the Vessel of Election : of S. Iohn the beloved of Iesus : but let all these worthily envy us , who now have a Docto●r , as far excelling all them , as Light excells Darkness : as Day , the Night : as Evidence , Obscurity it self . For alas ! what did Peter , Paul , or Iohn , or our B. Saviour himself ? They layed down obscure Positions , abstruse hidden mysteries , and in confirmation of the truth of what they delivered wrought Miracles : which certainly inforce no Assent , but leave us to our former liberty : leave the Object it self , in the same obscurity it was before : For since they are neither its cause , nor effect , but purely extrinsecal to it , they enlighten not at all the object in it self . What then was begotten in the souls of those holy Apostles and Disciples , who followed our B. Saviour by his Preaching ? but a free , voluntary submission of their understandings , to those obscure truths he deliver'd upon the Authority only , of their heavenly Teacher . But our great Master promises a far other proceed : Not by an Attestation extrinsecal to the Object , will he confirm those truths which he delivers to us , but out of the cleare principles , and intime notions of the Objects , out of the very bowels of the Mysteries themselves , he will render all cleer , evident and perspicuous ; and ravish our souls ( even whether our selves will or no ) into an Assent , not any more of an obscure , dark Faith : but of a cleer , apparent Science , even to the a full content and satiety of our truth-thirsty understandings . Let him then possess the Chair ; Let him be Inthroned ; Let Peter , Paul and Iohn : nay , let our Master who came from heaven to teach us , give way ; Let all other Doctors whatsoever , attend upo● his Triumph . Let the astonisht captivated world , shutting henceforth their ears to all others , hear him Alone . Why should we trouble our heads any more with the Gospels , with Paul ? We find no Satiety of our understanding , in their bare , naked Assertions . In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God , and God was the Word : What if ten thousand miracles were wrought , in confirmation of this Doctrine ? my Soul ha●h not its full content : I still thirst after light , after evidence , which here is not to be found . Let us then , shutting our ears to these drily proposed Doctrines , hear great Trinobant , and Satiate and glut our understandings with this his evident , cleer Demonstration . For thus what St. Iohn obscurely had told us , he makes apparent : That there is Vnity and Plurality in God ▪ without Repugnance . Since that God knows himself , and the thing defined being put , the definition is also to be put in him , ( but to know is to be another thing , as another thing ; and to be known is to be an other thing , as an other thing ) the business is plainly ended : that God is in God as an other , in an other : and by consequence Aliety is truly and really , and as a predicat of God , found in God , and not onely as a manner of predicating , or as it is in our Vnderstanding . Here is light , here is evidence able to ravish a soul ; nay , Satiate and Surfet her , in the height of all her Thirst and longing after Truth . Sect. 24. In truth , Sir , a sober Reader , though he were in a melancholy mood , would be tempted to smile , at this Demonstration , ( as you did pag. 11. at the word verbatim . ) And yet that Passion would justly give way to his indignation against this Presumption . No Christian , but hath heard , That the Faith our B. Saviour taught Mankind , was to continue in his holy Spouse the Church on earth , till the consummation of the world , and his second coming to Judge . And can we cease to wonder , or indeed to conceive a just indignation , now to find a Thomas the English-man , who after Forty or Fifty years study , should tell us , That in truth we have all been mistaken : there is no such matter : But that in the Infancy and Child-hood of the Church , She was to walk indeed by Faith , but now , in the third Age , or Mans estate , she is no more to be governed by Faith , but by Science , by Demonstration . In this very Third Age or Mans estate of the Church , in which now we live , to begin undoubtedly from himself , ( since he admits of no one Demonstration in any one former Schoolman ; and himself promises thousands : ) And all this made out of the most prodigious explication of the Apocalypse that ever saw light , as if it were a meer Poem , and a Stage-play : And peculiarly of that passage , That there were two wings of a great Eagle , given to the Woman , that she might fly into the desart : He understanding this Woman to be the Church , these two Wings to be Faith and Science ; Faith , which our B. Saviour gave her in his Oeconomy on Earth , by which she was to steer her course in her Nonage ; But now She being come to Mans estate , He himself gives her the other Wing of Knowledg ; for henceforth she is onely to be directed by his Demonstrations . And with this new Wing , he now gives her , fairly she may walk , if she please , unless she be able to fly , as she hath hitherto done for Sixteen hundred years , with one Wing alone , since this Wing quite destroys the other , Evidence and Science being perfectly destructive of Obscurity and Faith . But it is worth my Readers pains to see this admirable conception of his fancied demonstrative Third Age of the Church , described at large in the same Book , Sect. 9. and elsewhere . In the tenth Chapter ( sayes he ) begins and is perfected , the Enarration of the Third Age of the Church , which because it is to be prosperous and blessed , and subject to few evils , therefore it is described onely in general , &c. The Reason of this is , for since Grace prefects Nature , and since in rational nature there are three degrees , or species of knowledg , by which successively the soul receives increase , to wit Faith , which governs Children : Opinion , which steers young men as yet unexperienced and unskilful : And lastly , Science which directs men now perfect : It is necessary that in the Church , Nature ascend by the self same degrees . Till Constantins time ( the first Christian Emperour ) Faith alone took place : From Constantin till our age , Hereticks , were combated by Rhetorical and Logical dissertations , which because by little and little , is fitted to conduct men to Evidence , the immediat succeeding Age of the Church is to be expected , in which Evidence succeeding , there will be no place for Heresies , but the Church shall flourish in most perfect Peace and Prosperity . And having thus adorned the scene , he brings himself down from Heaven , with these happy demonstrations in this manner . As in this Chapter ( sayes he ) S. John teaches , describing unto us , A strong Angel ; as fitting for mans estate : Descending from Heaven , from whence all good things are derived to us . Cloathed with a Clowd : That is with a celestial garment , as who brings heavenly things to us : not keeping himself aloof from us , but even approaching and coming neer unto us : ●nd the Rainbow , which is the symbol of Divine Peace , hung over his Head And his Face was like the Sun : To wit , as he who came to communicate perfect light , to humane kind : And his Leggs in strength and firmness , as Pillars : And in activity , as Fire : And he had in his Hand , an open Book , that is to be read and understood by All , And in which there was no obscurity or involution : And He put his right Foot on the sea ; that is , he subjected turbulent spirits by force and Power : And His left Foot on the Land ; that is , confirming and strengthening the humble and meeek : And he cried out with a lowd voice , even like the roaring of a Lyon : Which apertains to the latitude of the Church , which is signified to be extended as farr as his voice might be heard , &c. And the effect of his voice was , that the seven Thunders might speak their Uoices ; that is , have their effects : which the Apostle is forbidden , to write for the reasons above delivered ; nevertheless , he is commanded , to seal them in his memory , perhaps to be told to pious men in privat , not publickly to be promulgated to the Church . But least this could not be so happily adapted to himself , and his long lasting third age of the Church , steered by his Demonstrative Religion : since presently the Text introduces this same Angel swearing . That time should be no more , and S. Iohn is presently described to have devoured this open Book , which the Angel brought from heaven . Which might seem to regard the end of the World , when time shall be no more , but these circulations of the heavens shall receive their last end and Period : he tells us , that this Oath of the Angel , and this devouring of the Book , by S. Iohn , belong to the preparation of the ensuing ruine of the World , and consummation of all things . And the Book though sweet to the tast , and hearing , yet was bitter in his stomack : And could not be contained , but forced him to preach the Doctrine of it , to others . Thus he : But it is a good divertisement to see how after this sublime conception had fallen into his head , how he huggs it , and pleases himself with the fancied happiness , of that state of the Church , which thus shall be steered by evidence , by his demonstrations : and how far he prefers it , before All whatsoever we have hitherto been acquainted with in Christianity , and even Prophesies of our future happiness by it . a All Phylosophy shall be new molded , All Theology shall be refined , by his and his Knights Demonstrations . b Never were School-boyes so handled by an Imperious Master , as He ( besides the correction bestowed on all the Fathers for a thousand years ) whips all the School-Doctours , none excepted , and with most exquisite contempt , persecutes all their Learning . And of the Church he foretels , in this third age there shall be , no persecution , no Heresies : but she shall flourish by his demonstrative Religion in perfect tranquillity . She shall now be furnished with persons of most sublime and eminent sanctity ; and though there shall be no occasion of Martyrdom : yet the supream Saints , the first fruits to God and the Lamb , shall adorn this mans estate or midday of the Church ; Persons of most sublime contemplation . And further as to the Civil Governments of Magistrates , and happiness under them ; he Prophesies . Instit. Sac. lib. 3. lec . 2. Since this ( sayes he ) is the supream state of humane nature ; it will also bring with it the bettering of the manners of men , the Governments , and commands of Soveraigns , and supream Magistrates , shall be more mild and moderate ; few warrs among Christians , the commodities of life far greater : All excellent arts cultivated , and brought to the highest perfection . And since the supream Governours shall find Forraign Warrs necessary for domestick security , they shall disburden the turbulent and ambitious spirits among Christians , in Wars upon Barbarous Nations , and Infidels , the enemies of this demonstrative Religion : Whom since now they excell in Arts , they will easily conquer by Arms ; and contain them in their duty , by an even handed , equal Government , And shall convert them to Christianity , and so Christ shall raign in the whole Globe of the Earth . Nor is it to be doubted , but that this state , being the very Flower and vigour of humane Nature , shall be of a most long continuance . Thus he rapt in an extasie Prophesies ; such golden ages , melancholy men in love with their own long setled apprehensions , fancy , and dream of . And his Scholars will easily believe , ( that He now having establisht an eternal Peace in our Nations , by that admirable Doctrin , in his Book of Government and Obedience : ground . 16. That a dispossest Magistrate is worse then an Infidel , if he doe not renounce all his title and claim : And that All his subjects are obliged to resist his attempts : ) their Masters demonstrations marcht of late to the confines , with the two great Ministers of State , and have now concluded a Peace between France and Spain . But this were tollerable , if this were All : Why should not every man enjoy his own thoughts ? Why should not this great Master be as happy as his own Imaginations , and the Applause of his Scholars can make him ? But thus to betray Christian Religion to Atheists , to Disbeleevers : To display his Banner of Evidence ; to open his School of Demonstration , to reduce all those stupendious Mysteries of Religion , to the natural force of our too too weak understandings , ( and as I now exemplified in the Aeternal Generation of the Son of God , a Mystery naturally unknown to Men and Angels ; for even those Celestial Spirits in their now state of Fruition , veil their faces with reverence , when they cry , Sanctus , Sanctus , Sanctus , to the adorable and ineffable Trinity ) to tell us , even in these sublime Mysteries we shall be furnisht with evident Demonstrations . And after this , the Production is a discourse so frivolous , so unconcluding : Assuming not onely what is false , but what is erroneous ; and inferring quite another thing in the Conclusion , then was in the Premisses ; so that no Phylosopher of two years course , but sees the emptiness of it , no Divine of one years standing , but has learnt the Errour of it ; is to render our holy Faith ridiculous , vain , and contemptible to Naturalists , to Disbeleevers . Sect. 25. Why should we then wonder , if we have a new Purgatory ? Alas , Sir , we have a new Systeme of a whole , intire , new Religion : We have a Doctour who with long melancholy thoughts , having fansied a world in the Moon , perswades himself , that all the Faith Christ taught us , shall be evacuated : all other Schools shall cease : and he , forsooth , for the future be the sole Pole-star of the World . It is not unworthy of our observation , by what wary sters this new Divinity ( which fitted to the Genius of our times , I never read , but think I am in a Romance ) walkt into the world . The first attempt was upon Scripture , where by a long Catalogue of its uncertainties , by the Transcribers , Translators , Printers mistakes , or the wilfull corruptions of Iews , Hereticks , half-witted and bold Readers : it would puzzle any mans Arithmetick , to count how many to one it is , there is not one true word of Scripture in Scripture . Upon the sole score of the Transcribers mistakes , ( in that supposition , that there were Two thousand Copies writ of the Bible in a hundred years ) he concludes it sixteen to one , against any determinate word , that it is not the true word of Scripture , this onely saved , that the same errour might be in several Copies . After this succeeded the infallibility of the Pope , of which I have given my Reader his sense already . Then followed , that he should attaque the Authority of the Councils , Which , in truth , with a better grace , and a complement of a Non est impossibile , he sent packing out of his School : And yet all this while he bore us in hand , that he would save All , by manly sustaining Tradition , the uninterrupted Doctrine handed down and delivered , by the succession of Fathers to Children , from Christ and his Apostles to any determinate Age : But because this Tradition could not , with any appearance be sustained , but that it carried or supposed , the Infallibility of Councils : Since there is nothing more universally and constantly beleeved : nor can we imagine any more Authentique proof of any Doctrine , that it is delivered by Tradition , then the Decree of a Council : And yet he being resolved , by the ruine of that Authority , to make way for his Demonstrative Religion : Tradition faded and dwindled , into this mysterious expression : That the Errour of a Council , though promulgated , should not pass into an established Doctrine of the Church , as delivered by Fathers , and preached by Christ : by which he brought all into his own power again . And when he had thus ( as he thought ) cut all the sinews of Christian-Beleef ; the mystery of all the design is discovered : We must be governed by Faith no longer : Christ with his Doctrine hath possessed the Chair long enough : Master White with his Demonstrations , must now take place . And least my Adversary should tell me ; I do him wrong , in asserting , That after the rest , he hath now laid Tradition aside : I desire him and his solid cleer-sighted Friends , to give me a Catalogue of all those Doctrines he admits into his new Theology , or prooves in his Institutiones sacrae ( which are to be our Scriptures , Fathers , Councils , School-men , for the future ) by Tradition , or on the score of Authority . Nor let him complain ; I impose a heavy task upon him : Those who are acquainted with every Ressort of his Doctrine , will quickly answer it : The Catalogue will proove so slender , so short , it will cost him no considerable Pains : I could comprehend them All in this one Word , Nothing : For in truth , there is none at all : So safe a truth it is , that in lieu of Faith and Christian Religion , we have nothing in this School , but under the title of Peripatetick and Sacred Institutions , an Epicurean , Lucretian Phylosophy ; or rather a medley of both theirs , and Aristotles Phylosophy , and Pretended Demonstrations : not of our Faith , as Catholiques have hitherto understood it , but as now changing quite the Notions of the Mysteries , he is pleased to understand it . Of which we shall see more hereafter . Sect. 26. Why then should we wonder at the Issues of this Brain ? What should we wonder at these Productions , which out of an absolutely erroneous Method , were hatched , and brought to light ? It is no marvel , if a most Exotick Phylosophy being presupposed , an equally or more Exotick Divinity is built upon it . A little Errour in the beginning , prooves a great one in the last end . The attempt to square Theology , to ( I know nor what ) pretended Demonstrations , hath wrought this destruction . Nor need we the help of Divinity : Our own Experience and Reason sufficiently evince , and discover this method to be ruinous . There is no man who hath made even a moderate progress in Sciences , but is sufficiently convinced how weak , how feeble our Understandings are : They are but Novices in Sciences , who are puft into a vanity , as if they were even now become Masters . The better Proficients they grow , the more daily and howrly do they cleerly discover their own Ignorance . Let 's consider it in particular ; there is no knowledg so certain , so connatural to our undexrstandings , as that of Quantity , the Object of Mathematiques : and yet all the wit of men , that ever yet have been in the world , come so far short of the discovery , that millions of Problemes might yet be proposed , which no man can solve . And now as to our knowledge of Natural Bodies , it is far inferior to the former ; for of these we scarce understand any thing at all . Who ever comprehended the Composition , the Properties , or even the Essential notion of a Fly ? What Physitian ever understood fully the Nature , the operations , the effects , of any one Herb , any one Simple ? Who ever knew how Rubarb works on the innumerable parts of our bodies : how it purges , how it refines , how it abates , how it heightens the several humours of it ? St. Basill understood our weakness much better , who in his 168 Epist. to Eunom , prosecuting this subject , proposes above twenty questions ( to which twenty and twenty more may be added ) of a contemptible Emmet : In none of which , the wit of man can satisfie his curiosity . And if we are thus short in those things we daily converse with , which we touch , and tast , what will our knowledge amount to in Separated Substances , in Souls , in Angels , in God himself ? The true ground of this our ignorance being this : That our understandings in our present state of mortality , being onely naturally moveable from our Phansies , which depend wholly on the weak reports drawn from our Senses : we have not , in this state , without Revelation , any other notions but such as are abstracted from sensible Objects ; so that the peculiar properties of abstract Substances ( since we are not now possest of the peculiar essential notions of them ) can not now by us , naturally , be known . And hence it is , that finding our selves so feeble , in things the most obvious even to our senses , all the Wise men of the World , have ever been struck dumb , and ravisht in the consideration of that Omnipotent hand , which built both us , to honour and love him , and them for our use to that end ; so that where his Authority is ingaged , as certainly it is , in all things that apperrain to Faith : we abase our prying proud curiosity , and square our weak apprehensions to them , and not these stupendious supernatural Mysteries , to our creeping groveling apprehensions of Nature . It was then upon this mistake , that this new Purgatory came to light ; it is one , and but one of a thousand of those unheard of productions , this new Phylosophical Theology is stuft with . I could give my Reader many instances of Doctrines he never yet , not indeed the world was acquainted with : but I will conclude with that very Doctrin ( because it offers it self as neer allyed to this our present Subject ) with which he concluds his Demonstrative Divinity . It is concerning the Damned Souls ; for we have not onely a Poetical Purgatory , he hath also furnisht us with a most Romancical Hell : and who can but smile to think of those ridiculous mimick postures , he fancyes of Horse-coursers , Dancers , Fencers , Bowlers , and all other Brutals attempting now in Hell in all their several postures ; those very pleasures in which they constituted their final end in this life . Thus then of those Souls he concludes : Their misery ( sayes he ) depends on their present perverseness , so that if they themselves would , they might even yet be happy . Out of the force and series of Nature , of which they are parts , nothing better ( to wit , then to be damned ) could happpen to them ; neither to All of them in general , nor to Any one of them in particular . And least Nature or God should escape this Fatall Doctrin , he adds : And even Nature and God himself should have been worse , if they had been otherwise dealt with . Pagan Fatality ! Out of the force and Series of Nature , nothing better , could happen to Iudas then to be damn'd ; and if he had not been so , God had ceased to be God : as so , forsooth , Wisdom is justified against her children . Thus he concludes his Prodigious Theology . Sect. 27. And now I hope my Reader hath some light of the Method and Genius of this our great Master and his new School . It will give him an introduction into the further discovery of their learning . But because his pretended Demonstrations are now so cryed up by that little handful of his Scholars , whose itch after novelties hath rendred Proselites of his Doctrin ; and since in the Entry to my Discourse , I have laid down those ( as they would have us believe ) unshakable grounds , of this new minted Purgatory : my Reader may justly challenge that we should take a Survey of them . And though this might seem weakly to anticipate , what I heare far abler Pens have undertaken at large , yet why should we not take a short view of them , and that even in the very order they lye . And first then , leaving his Gibberish Notion of a Separated Soul , how Ridiculous is this Position : That the proper accidents ( that is , those things that are in the Soul according to the Soul , its practical judgments , Its affections to friends and acquaintance , even to Corporal pleasures ) are the Soul it self . Since that they are so , is not onely Indemonstrable , but Incomparably false : for the Soul is both Created without them , remains in the Body without them ( in such as by grace have subdued these Inordinations ) and much more in Heaven , both with , and without the Body , before and after the Resurrection : And even in his Systeme of Purgatory , the Soul shall be divested of them at the re-union : and yet all the Peripateticks or Lucretian Phylosophy in the world , can never evince , that the Soul can be separated from it self : Therefore nor from these Affections if they be the Soul it self . And how came these immediately insuing words , to escape his wary Pen , That the Soul without them were more imperfect ? Are those very Affections which constitute Purgatory and Hell too , perfections of the Soul ? Or when she comes to divest her self of them at the Re-union , does she remain more imperfect in Heaven , then when she was in the state of suffering by Them ? or is she then not her selfe because she is without them ? or had she been less Perfect if she had passed out of this life , by perfect mortification without them ? But because this Doctrin , That the Soul were more imperfect without these Affectinos , is very neer allyed to an other excellent Doctrin of our great Master ( and which will much promote solid devotion ) of the Corporal Pleasures themselves ; let us compare them together , they agree very happily , and will illustrate one an other : Since Corporal life ( sayes he ) is made in order to the attaining of Beatitude , and Corporal pleasures are conformable to corporal life , and therefore of necessity that Corporal life in its kinde , is the best , which hath the most , and greatest Corporal pleasures : ( as elsewhere is shewn more at large ) And further , since the best Corporal life , doth best serve to the attaining of Beatitude , it is also necessary that the Christian discipline ( which is the Mistriss of Beatitude ) should even fill our lives with the pleasures of the Body , and those who live piously , should enjoy a hundred fold ( of those Corporal pleasures ) more then those who live ill . Might not this excellent Sermon very well become a St. Austen or a St. Paul ? No truly , Sir , they never were acquainted with this Demonstration : They lived in the Non-age of the Church ; they were steered by Faith not by this Evidence and Science . And so they walkt in Austerities ; Tenances , Mortifications . They never fancyed , That that Corporal life was best in its kind , which abounded with most and greatest Corporal pleasures : much less , That such an one was best adapted to attain that Beatitude they thirsted after . They looked on Corporal Pleasures as the Bane of the Soul : But our Great Master being still himself , might well teach us , That the Soul without these Affections were more imperfect , since he placed the Perfection of a Corporal life , best adapted to attain Beatitude , in the injoyment of the Pleasures themselves . In earnest , Sir , I have a scruple to Translate such Doctrines as these are , which onely befit Epicurus his School , and the life of Hogs : ( though you would perswade us they are truths which promote solid Devotion ) if I were not confident of my Readers vertue , and that they will beget a just horror in his Soul , both against the Doctrines themselves , and those Principles that lead to them . Sect. 28. Secondly , How frivolously he concludes , That the affections to corporal pleasures accompany the soul in her state of separation ? Their rise , their origin is the Body . The Soul were untouchable by them , if it were not by reason of that union it hath , to that clay which now incloses her . How could the Soul be concerned to see , to hear , to touch , if she had neither eyes , ears , hands , or any other corporeal organs , by which these pleasures could be conveyed to her ? especially if she enjoyed her fill of those far more noble and excellent satisfactions ( such as he puts of eminent compleat knowledge ) proportionable to that state of separation And what Purgatory could a Scholar indure , who should pass out of this life with all his Affections regulated , save onely that to learning , since in that state , his soul should even be ravisht with the injoyment of all that knowledge which he inordinately long'd for in this mortal life ? How then is not the soul divested of those base affections , when she passes out of the body , which have their source from this earthly habitation ? But let us compare this Doctrine , with an other admirable Non-sence of our Master . He tells us in his Peripateticks , lib. 5. lec . 1 , n. 6. That the separation of the soul from the body , is of that efficacy , that the soul even in substance is changed : and that a separated soul is in truth an other thing ( in substance ) then it was in the body . As if forsooth it were this thing , this soul , which now informs my body , that offends God in this life ; and an other thing , an other soul shall be punished for it in the next . And doth not this Doctrine evacuate all the fear of Purgatory , Judgment and Hell too ? And let not my Adversary tell me he says it is an other thing , but says not , that it is an other soul : For I desire him to tell me , what other thing it is , if it be not an other soul ; for still it is a soul , and nothing but a soul . A thing is a notion more universal then a soul : and what are distinguished in a notion that is more universal , can not be the same in a notion that is less universal . No Logician ever fancied , that those things which are distinguished in the notion of Animal , can be the same in the notion of Homo . If then the separation render the soul , an other thing , an other soul ; how should it not have other accidents and affections , which ( according to him ) are the soul it self ? or must it not of necessity have so ? But let this too be supposed . Sect. 29. Thirdly , Whoever fancied , That a separated soul shall be tormented with a vast grief , by reason corporal pleasures are now impossible to be injoyed ? Who ever was concerned or tormented , because he could not do that , which he knew to be impossible ? Who ever was intollerably afflicted , because he could not Fly ? or render his body as incorruptible as a Diamond ? or become an Angel ? Stay , ( you 'l say ) I suppose an ardent ●●ffection to pleasures , not impossible absolutely , but onely by reason of the present state . And what then ? The Soul is now Mistress of perfect Reason , euen of all knowledge , according to you : They are ●hreneticks onely , who torment themselves , because they can not do that , which they see is impossible in their present state , whilst they cannot transfer themselves into an other state , in which the pleasure they so much covet may be possible . How ardent a thirst soever you have to the knowledge of all truth ; yet since you see such knowledge is in this life impossible to be attained , ( and you hope for it in the next ) yet do I not beleeve you indure any vast grief , or even are much tempted to rid your self out of this world , that you may injoy it in the next . Besides , your Master tells us ; The Will is either not distinct from the Vnderstanding , or at least , is adequately governed in the state of separation : How then can the Will be tormented with a vast grief , because of the impossibility of those pleasures , whilst the Understanding , shall cleerly represent to it , the Baseness , Vileness , Vnworthiness of such Pleasures , and which at one blow , cuts off all the Wills pursuit , shall represent them , as Impossible ? But the truth is , this Doctrine is grounded upon a pure mistake : For the absence , much less the impossibility of corporal pleasures , doth not torment with any vast or considerable grief , those souls , ( even in this life ) which are most of all immerst in the affections to them , ( and by consequence , not separated souls ; for ( he tell us , ) they remain in the state of separation , even in that same proportion they were in this life : ) but just then , when the body prompts or calls for an injoyment . Let us consider the most luxurious , the most gluttonous person in the world , when the present capacity of his body is satiated with those pleasures , he indures no considerable torment , till the body again call for a reiterated enjoyment . It is not then rational to say , That a Soul which passes out of this life by a long continued Feaver , and therefore carries with it into the next world , a great affection to drink , shall be tormented in the next life with a vast grief , because she now can not injoy the pleasure of drinking , whilst in truth , she can never suffer any thirst . And how sordid and low a fancy he had of Spiritual Substances in their state of separation : to conceive them thus tortured , because Corporal pleasures can not now be in●ayed ? Which pleasures , pious Christians abominate , even in this their Pilgrimage ; which the Pride and Ambition of Worldlings easily overcome ; which the wise● sort of Pagans scorn ; which Heathen Phylosophers would not stoop to ; which Avicen , though a Turk , contemned , and his Master Mahomets Heaven , built up and fancied for Swine . It had been pious , and worthy a Phylosopher , to conceive them ( as good Christians do ) tormented with a vast grief , because they had so ungratefully offended Almighty God , and delayed their beatitude , for such low , contemptible , transitory Pleasures . But this satisfied not his design ; it reacht not home , to build us up a Purgatory , out of which no delivery could be hoped for till the Day of Iudgment ; This grief was rather a disposition for Heaven ; and therefore he must find us out some unworthy and unchangeable Affection , which must detain Souls there , till he please to release them . Besides , it is frequent , that vicious men detest at their deaths those brutalities , the excess of which , hath ruined their Bodies , Fame , and Fortunes ; and yet pass out of this life without true Repentance , to be punisht for them in the next , for all Eternity . But let us also compare this , with an other signal Doctrine of this our Ma●●er , De Med. Stat. dim . 12. He there disputing against those afflictions which he supposes his Adversary asserts , that the Souls suffers by some external Agent ; delivers us this unexpected Doctrine : thus arguing against him . From whence ( sayes he ) an unexpected Truth breaks forth ; That all those pains ( inflicted by an external Agent on the Soul ) are Purely Pleasures . For since on the one side , the souls thus to be purged , are supposed to be perfect in Charity , and extremely thirsting of the eternal good , which they are certain to attain ; and on the other side , cleerly understand , that corporeal punishments are the onely means by which they may attain beatitude ; it is evident they to these pains are , as a man of an invincible courage , in whom no weakness of mind can take place ; who being highly inflamed to attain some good , ventu●es on things of great difficulty , either in acting or suffering : In which , both Experience and Reason teach us , he would feel unspeakable pleasure . As if , forsooth , Pains and torments , cease to be such , and become purely pleasures , whilst the soul now perfect in charity , faints not in suffering them . As if with perfect conformity to the Divine Will , and an absolute desire to satisfie the Divine Justice , an earnest longing after the ending of these griefs , and the enjoyment of beatitude , were inconsistent : which necessarily includes and carries with it a high affliction . But how by this sudden , and unexpected Doctrin , all our apprehensions are changed in the sufferings of our B. Saviour ? Who by a most perfect charity , inflamed with the thirst of redeeming mankind , under went all , with an invincible courage : for in him no weakness of mind could take place . We must now change all our pious meditations , no more must we consider the Scourges , Whips , Contempts , the Nails , and Cross to have been any other thing , but pure pleasures to him . An excellent Doctrin to increase our Love to our deer Saviour , who to redeem mankind was patient , and resigned to suffer pure pleasures , and to incourage penance according to S. Paul , si compatimur & conglorificabimur . This is an other truth to promote solid devotion . Now then as to the Souls in Purgatory ( which certainly being perfect Masters of Reason , and now in charity , and see their own affections to be unchangeable , can not be conceived to faint in their sufferings ) let us now learn this unexpected sudden truth which now breaks out , that we have been hitherto quite mistaken : their sufferings are so far from being pains , that in truth they are nothing but purely pleasures . O happy model of Purgatory ! But let this be supposed too . Sec. 30. Fourthly , to come to the other fundamental stone of this fabrick . It is incomparably false , that separated Souls or Angels , both as to their substance , and operations are measured , by this indivisible duration or moment : or that to co-exist to a greater or less part of time , adds or diminishes nothing to them . What if the Omnipotent Hand of God should create in this moment a new Soul separated from any body : had the rest of souls departed their bodies many ages agoe , no greater duration , then this their even now created companion ? What if the same Hand of God should now destroy one of those separated souls , shall the rest of them which shall co-exist to all future time , have therefore no longer duration then she ? What if there were no body , no motion , no time at all , could not God create a Soul , and destroy it at his pleasure ? and yet not this in the same indivisible moment : For then it would follow , the Soul is and is not in the same instant ; Therefore in some other posteriour moment . What if God should again repair this thus annihilated soul ? We could not imagine , that this new second existence would be measured with the same duration that the first , for this would exclude the very supposition of an interruption . Besides , Sir , Christian Theology teaches us that Angels ( whose duration is as indivisible as that of Souls ) were not created in Termino , but in Viâ : The holy Angels were not Created in the State of Fruition ; nor the Devils in the State of Damnation , but both in the way to these several States . And that first they were in the State of Grace , in which the good by adhering to God were afterwards translated to Glory , whilst the Devils , by their pride and disobedience , were deservedly afterwards thrust out headlong into Hell . Who hath rendred it evident that all this could be effected in one indivisible moment ? And further , Sir , as to this point , that my Reader may be cleared more fundamentally in it : We must observe , That since Eternity , which is devoid of all Succession , is the measure of a Perfectly Permanent being , that is , of God himself : as far forth as any thing recedes from a Permanent being , so far it recedes from Eternity , and comes to Succession . Now though the being of Angels does not consist in motion , and therefore is not measured by our Time : Yet since the Essence of an Angel is neither its Vnderstanding , nor its Will , much less is it the Acts of these Powers : The substance of an Angel is not measured by Eternity , since it hath Transmutation adjoyned to it : and so hath a proper duration , or measure between it and time . And further , since the Operations of Angels , have a real and true succession , they are measured by a true succession and time , not that of bodies , or the motions of them , but by a time proper to the succession of those Operations ; and if holy Writ deliver us any other then Metaphorical truths , of separated Substances , it delivers this succession in them . Your Master himself takes notice in his Med. Stat. acc. 22. Of the Souls of the slain ( described in the Apocalyps ) resting under the Altar , and crying out to have the day of Iudgement hastned ; which reaches home to our purpose , that they are concerned in the length of the stay , and that it is absolutely false , that there is no succession of Acts , even in Beatified Souls ; or that , to coexist to a greater , or less part of time , adds , or diminishes nothing to them : Though it fals much short of rendring our Prayers onely available for the hastning of that day ( as we shall presently see ) for which end he there introduces it . And if you please to consider in the 10th Chap. of Daniel , where the Angel appearing tels him , That the Prince ( or Angel ) of the Kingdome of the Persians resisted him one and twenty dayes : And behold Michael one of the first Princes ( he who stands for the Children of the Jewish Nation ) came to his help : You will easily observe , there is not this comprehension of all time , your Master fansied , in the workings , or beings , of Separated Substances . Sect. 31. Fifthly , As to his grounds of the Immutability of that state , it is groundlesly assumed , That a Soul can suffer no alteration from a Body , but by identification ( or by being the same thing ) with that body . And indeed who ever fanfied that the soul could thus be identified , or become the very self-same thing , with the body ? Who ever believed that now in this life , our Souls are really and truly our Bodies , and our Bodies are our Souls ? Or if they were thus Identified , or the same thing ; how were it possible they should ever be severed : since nothing can be imagined to be served from it self ? Christian Phylosophy never admitted this position , it is evidently destructive of the Immortality of our Souls , and of all Religion : For if the Soul be Identified , ( or the same thing ) with the body , it must of necessity be resolved into dust with the body : For no man can conceive , how any thing should supervive it self ; so that this will put an end to Purgatory , Heaven , Hell and All Religion . We that walk by Christian Faith , and not by new Lights , this Ignis Fatuus of Demonstrations , alwayes believed , That the Soul and Body as two distinct parts , concurred to the building up of one Man : who is one , not by simplicity , not by Identification of the parts , or I know not what strange fancyed Transubstantiation of the Soul into the Body , but by substantial Vnion or Composition . Further , Sir , It can never be evidenced , That not onely such an Inimaginable Identification should be necessary , to the end that a Soul may be passive from the Body : but that even a Substantial union is requisite . We see that the Soul , in the state of Vnion , even Naturally , suffers by the Bodies Indisposition , as in Frensies , caused by Feavours , or other distempers : And who shall render it evident , that in the state of separation , not naturally , but by the Omnipotent Hand of God , she may not be passive by Fire , or some other External Agent : by some way our Vnderstandings now reach not to ? Sect. 32. Sixthly , It is a purely voluntary and false Assertion , That a separated soul knows all things together and perpetually . The very holy Angels do not thus know all things : Our Blessed Guardians , of new know daily , and howrly , our actions ; and represent our sighs and devotions in the sight of God , and since in these we are free , and not tyed necessarily to any thing but our selves , it is impossible they should know them , till we our selves have determined our selves to them : Nor even then immediately , ( for God alone is the searcher of hearts , ) till they have sallied out into some effect . And our B. Saviour himself tells us , The holy Angels themselves know not of that day and howr , ( to wit , of Judgment ) but onely the Father . Matth. 24. and they rejoyce at the new conversion of a sinner . Sect. 33. Seventhly , Who ever rendred it Evident , that No Alteration can befall a separated Soul from any other Spirit , without the interposition of the Body ? For Spirits can act on Spirits immediately , without such interposition ; and the contrary Doctrine is destructive of all the conversation of the holy Angels for all Aeternity ; is destructive of the Doctrine holy Writ delivers us of the fall of the Devils , where the Dragon is described , to have drawn after him the third part of the Stars , or Angels , into his Rebellion . And if Angels can thus Act on Angels , without this interposition of a body , why not on separated souls ? Nor is that Foundation of this his Doctrine at all subsistent : For since ( says he ) All Spirits are indivisible , their Operations must be indivisible : And consequently , perfected All of them in one moment . For this consequence is perfectly null . Nor will it ever be rendred evident , that an Act of a Spirit may not coexist to a great or less part of time ; much less will it ever be evinced ( as is already proved ) that there is not a true and real succession in their operations . So that his Doctrine is absolutely false , when he tells us ; If any thing be to be done among Spirits , it is so done and perfected in one moment , that afterwards an other action can not be begun And besides , when he assumes ; An indivisible effect , the causes being put , of necessity exists in the same moment : Though he may say true for that one Act ; but when he infers the same for all succeeding Acts unto Aeternity , he errs most grosly : Imagining this , ( which is one of the most fundamental Bases of all his Phylosophy and Divinity , ) that all Causes are fixt and set , as to All Effects whatsoever , from the very beginning , unto all future succession : By which Doctrine , both God himself is necessitated so to do , that he can not do otherwise , then he doth do ; and each intelligence so to know ( by the connexion of existences ) that it can not know , otherwise then it does know ; which is most pure Pagan Fatality , destructive of the Liberty of God , and all contingency in all created things whatsoever . Sect. 34. Lastly , That we may vindicate Christianity and the Church , from that ignorance of separated Substances , he boldly and injuriously fixes upon Her , and the Angelical St. Thomas , from a most gross abuse : let us take a survey of his 17 Accompt in his Middlè State of Souls . He there tells us , The delivery of Souls before Reunion , proceeded out of the ignorance , or not adhering to this Doctrine , of the incomparable St. Thomas and his School : That in Abstracted Spirits , there is neither discourse , nor any manner of composition ; but purely a simple apprehension : so that errour and falsity can have no place in them . For these ( sayes he ) depend on the body , so that it is impossible , Indivisibles ( or Spirits ) should be capable of Succession . Now that my Reader may fully understand , both the Truth here contained , and his most erroneous Consequences drawn from It ; We must observe , that there is a double Composition in Vnderstandong : both of the Praedicat to the Subject , and of the Conclusion to the Premisses : Both which take place in Vs , by reason of the weakness of our Vnderstandings , in this state of mortality . For neither do We at one single glance understand the Praedicat , though we cenceive the Subject ; nor do we attain to the Conclusions included in the Principles , but by a long indeavour and succession of reasoning or discourse : So that our U●derdandings arrive not to Truth , but by compounding or dividing the terms one with the other , and the Conclusion with the Premisses . But it happens otherwise in Angels ; For they , by a cleer strength of Vnderstanding , apprehend both the composition and division of Propositions with one simple sight , and the Conclusions in the Principles , without this succession of discourse . This is St. Thomas his Doctrine , 1 Par. quaest. 58. art . 3. & 4. Now it imports not our present business , to consider , Whether this knowledge of Spirits is a true discourse , since a succession of time is not perhaps requisit to that , but onely of causality , which is here found . But it imports us to consider , That out of this Doctrine of St. Thomas it no ways follows , That Errour or falsity can have no place in separated Substances . For the same St. Thomas disputes this , in the very next Article ; and teaches us : That though in such things , as are thus naturally known , by the apprehensions of the terms or Principles , Spirits can not err ; yet in such things as depend on the supernatural Ordination of God , as far forth as they are supernatural ; Errour may take place in them . And this ( says he ) happens not to the good Angels ; because they judge not of those things which supernaturally belong to the Object , without due submission to the Divine Ordination ; but it does in the Devils , who by their perverse will , withdrawing themselves from the Divine Wisdome , judge erroneously of supernatural things . But that we may further see how injuriously he would improove the Doctrine of this great Saint and Doctour , both against him and the Church : we must further observe , that his Consequence , That Indivisibles ( or Spirits ) are not capable of succession : is both null , and against this holy Doctour every where . For in the first Article of this very Question , he teaches , That Angels are not alwayes in actual consideration of those very things , they know naturally . He tells us , That of those thinge which God reveals to them , of which they receive new revelations , by the occasions of affairs , they are in potentiality , or preceding ignorance . He tells us in the next Article , Those things whose knowledge depend on one onely Species , Angels know all together ; but not those which depend on divers . He tells us in fine everywhere , That there is a real and true Succession in their Acts , which is measured by a real and true Succession of Time . And I can not admonish my Reader too of ten : of His fatal Necessity and Connexion of Causes , which runs through all his Doctrine , and grounds these his Positions , when he tells us , That a separated Soul is all other things by the connexion of existencies , and since she knows all things together , and for ever ; by the course of Nature , there is no room left either for Ignorance , or new Science : Which Doctrine is the Corner-stone of all his Fabrick of Purgatory , and is perfectly destructive of all Religion , because destructive of all Liberty in God and Creatures : And peculiarly destructive of all the mysteries of Grace and Supernaturality ; for all these depend on the pure freedom and Will of God who is not , nor can not be tyed to creatures : and therefore the same Angelical Doctor , in the precedent 57. Quest . Art. 3 , 4 , & 5. concludes , That Angels neither know all future contingencies , Nor the secrets of our hearts , Nor the mysteries of Grace , but as far forth as it pleases God to reveal these to them : which in their first Creation he did in some measure : but more amply and fully afterwards , according as it did agree with their Offices and imployments in this Vniverse . This , Sir , is true Christian Theology ( which reaches much more to souls in Purgatory ) learnt by revelation from him , who neither can be deceived , nor deceive us : not out of Epicurean , Lucretian , Pagan , Principles of Fatality in things , and of Necessity in God , in order to his Creatures . But if we should suppose all these Vnchristian principles and consequences to be true ; that there is no Error , no Ignorance , no Succession in Separated Substances , now in their present state of Separation : How inconsequent is it ( as he there tels us ) That they are now just that , ( as to their affections , ) which this state of union with their bodies and mortality made them ? What a frivilous discourse he introduces , arguing in the same 17 Acc. As an Embri● ( sayes he ) or seminal Mushrom delineates a future man , so the thoughts and affections of this life , design by their impressions , the future condition of the Soul : So that death produces such an Entity , as from the man so disposed is naturally producible , thus to remain till Resurrection . For this hath no Connexion with the precedent Doctrine of the Immutability of Souls in the state of Separation . If we should suppose , that there is no variety in them , no succession in that single state of Separation , how will it follow , there is no change of affections in these two , and those so different States of Separation and Vnion ? Besides , Sir , if the Antecedent of this his Argument reach home to his purpose , it is a Position destructive of all Christianity ; if this Embrio , or seminal Mushrom delineate the future man , if the Soul be such as the quality of the matter exacts and determines it to be ( as he tells us ) it is , at the first infusion into the body , and remains so , or else he tels us nothing to his purpose : Our liberty is destroyed . There remains no hopes , that these his Determinations by the matter or body ; should be changed by education , by vertue ; should be corrected by Grace : Since then this his Doctrin is absolutely false , and since souls , in truth , by the assistance of Divine Grace , do perfectly overcome ( even whilst in their Bodies ) what they contract , or are determ●nod by their Bodies , ( as our holy Faith teaches ) how excellently is it concluded , That Souls now in Separation do not Correct , what was in them by the commerce of that unworthy Clay , which before inclosed them ? And how will it not be as well or more effectually concluded , that Souls at their Re-union too , passing now from Separation to Union , ( as well as before from Union to Separation , ) carry with them their unchangable Affections ? and so never get out of his Purgatory neither before nor at the day of Iudgment . By these short reflections , my Reader will easily observe , how far these Adamantin , unshakeable grounds fall short of that so much boasted Evidence , even of Truth : some of them being most perfect falshoods , the rest groundless , uncertain , dreaming Assertions : and yet they are such as shall serve the levity of some men , to abandon the authority of the whole Catholick Church , and upon these shall be Errected a new modled Purgatory , as upon other the like they have built us a whole , new , faithless Religion , of which they are so fondly inamoured , and peremptory , that now they boldly pronounce , The hither to received Faith of the Church , proceeded out of Ignorance of the Nature of Separated Substances . Sect. 35. But to conclude my Adversary and our business ; if this his Position be true , That no Souls are delivered out of Purgatory , before the day of Iudgment : What serve for all our Devotions , Prayers , Alms , Offerings ? Doth the holy Sacrifice of the Altar , which the Church hath defined to be Propitiatory even for the Dead , avail those distressed Souls nothing at all ? No , my Adversary dares not , as yet , venture upon this . The Councils are so cleer , so home to this Point , his credit were ruined , if he should attempt to deny it . His new Purgatory then , must be furnished with some new way , by which our endeavours may be beneficial to those poor Souls , or else no Catholiques Ears could be open to his new Divinity . Is it perhaps , the intermitting at some times , or abating of the fury of their torments ? O no , this Doctrin finds no admission in his School . His indivisible duration admits of no intermission : and where the Soul , by her now unchangable affections , is her own executioner , no Allay , or Abatement of torment can be hoped for till Reunior , What then perhaps shall our Prayers be of force to obtain their Release ? O no , this the least of all , It were against all their Demonstrations , and therefore is reserved to his new changeable state at the Resurrection . What then is the effect of all our tears and prayers ? What benefit doe Separated Souls receive by them ? This , and onely this , That the day of Iudgment is hastned by them . And is this all ? Yes , truly , this is all our new Systeme of Purgatory can admit of , as to the Assisting of the Souls detained in it . But what if this accelerating the day of Iudgment prove no advantage , no help at all to those distressed souls ? Would not all Christians be justly charged with an intollerable folly ? Would n●t the Church be unavoidably guilty of a ●upereminent Error , in a Doctrin which draws so much practice after it ? Whilst both the Florentin Council here , and that of Trent pronounce , and all Christians agree , That the Souls detained in Purgatory are assisted , delivered , by the Prayers and Suffrages of the Faithful yet living . And yet certain it is , that the hastning of the day of Iudgment is no advantage to them , in these their Positions and grounds . Let this great Master himself plead the Cause . Let him fairly deliver us his sublime sense , in his own words : Whether our devotions assist those souls or no ? Whether the hastning of the day of Iudgment be any way beneficial to them ? and that by his very ●bylosophical grounds , the basis and foundation of the duration of souls now detained in his new minted Purgatory . In spiritual acts ( says he ) whether they bring happiness or misery , there is no proportion to time : so as to make pain which lasts longer , to be greater or that which ends sooner , to be less , for these are the properties of corporal things . Every act of a pure Spirit reflected on it self , being of its own nature out of the reach of time ; not subject thereto , but greater then the whole extension of time , &c , If then to a thing ( or separated soul ) which co-exists to a longer part of time , nothing be thereby added , or to a thing ( that is , a separated soul ) which coexists with a less part of time , nothing be diminished : there can be no reason , why duration should represent either more , or less grievous , in these respective cases : So that whatsoever grief of a separattd soul is by the quality and force of its essence greater , the same grief ( let its co-existence to time be what it will ) must be more vehement , and that which is less , ( by the force of its essence ) less : Nothing being gained or lost by the perpetuating or contracting of the motions of the Sun , or other Celestial bodies : So that whatsoever time intervenes between death and the Restauration of the world ( at the day of Judgment ) is to separated souls as one moment . This doctrin presupposed , What can separated souls be concerned when the day of Judgment shall come ? And hath not your admired Master made a fair hand of it ? hath he not now compleately ended his work ? This , and only this remained in his new Systeme : That the day of Iudgment is hastned by our prayers , that so the souls may be assisted by them , and he himself escape that brand of Heresie ( whilst the Councils pronounce , They are assisted by us ) which even vulgar eyes would presently have fixt upon his Opinion . And now he hath fairly delivered us of that empty pretence . It is not , It can not be ( according to him ) That the pepetuating of the motions of the heavens , or their even now ending their Circulations , can give any addition or diminution , to the torments and sufferings of souls in the state of separation . For in them to co-exist to one hower , to one minute and a million of Ages , is one and the same thing . Let the Angels Trumpet summon them this moment , let it be deferred ten thousand , thousand years ; He tells us , and for fear we should not understand him , again and again , tells us , Their duration is still the same , Their moment one and the same , Their pains , their sufferings one and the same . But how happily will he be surprized , if out of these grounds it be evinced , That those Souls ( as to their present state of separation ) can not be concerned , whether ever the Day of Iudgment come or no ? Let us suppose , that the Providence of God had so ordered this machin of the world ; that these circulations of the Heavens should never receive their last end and period : Separated Souls , most evidently , ( according to his Positions , ) would not at all be concerned in this our Supposition ; for where to coexist to one minute , howr , or a million of ages , is the same thing ; the Soul , in that state , cannot be concerned whether Time ever or never receive an end . He himself tells us , Nothing is gained or lost by the perpetuating ( that is , never ending ) or even now contracting of these motions . And this will be rendred more evident , by the consideration of this our Supposition . For since to suppose the world shall last for ever , is but to suppose it shall last longer , then any determinable number of Ages ; and since his indivisible duration of Souls , doth not onely comprehend this or that determinate number of years , but all time whatsoever : ( He himself teaches us , That every Act of a pure Spirit reflected on it self , is greater then the whole extension of time : ) It follows , that this duration of Souls , it self remaining the very same , would comprehend all Time in that Supposition , that time should never have an End ; and by consequence , a separated Soul , ( as to its state of separation ) is w●olly unconcerned , whether ever the world should have , or not have an end . And what influence this his Doctrine will have , to evacuate our apprehensions of Eternity , I leave to my Readers consideration . Away then with these idle Winter-tales ; away with this Ignorance of the nature of separated souls : A Purgatory fire : A purging in the state of separation : A delivery from thence before re-union : An assistance given by our Prayers to their sufferings . Fables , Dreams , and Nothings . Farewel to Prayers , Offrings , Masses , Alms , Legacies , Foundations : Meer cheats and devices , Utensils of a thriving Devotion ; imposed by the Church on the pious credulity of ignorant people . Here is a period put by our Thomas the English-man to that sensless Devotion , which hath so long troubled the ignorant , silly world . And which then certainly shall have its period , when Scriptures , Fathers , Popes , Councils , and All other Schools shall cease : when the Faith Christ our Saviour taught us , shall be evacuated , and have an end ; and great Trinobant be inthroned , to inlighten the hitherto darken'd world , by His and his Knights Demonstrations . Sect. 36. But let us make an end . I have run through my Adversaries defence of his Purgatory against our present Bull and Council . I have given my Reader some small light into this School , Its Method , Its Design : I have given some touches upon Its Doctrines , Its Demonstrations : and we have concluded with this Devotion for the Dead . There remains onely , that I make some short reflexions on what is added in this Letter ; either as to the Publishers Persons , or other things , which did not directly pertain to our present Question of Purgatory . And First , as to his Quarrel , pag. 1 , &c. That the Publishers printed this Book without any application . A Medium , by which Mr. White might seem an Heretick , to the good women ( as he tells us ) of which there are not a few ; and ignorant men , of which there are too many : Nay , their own Proselytes become such , by making private Interpretations ; since this is to give themselves over to the private Spirit . I answer : The Faith of their Flock being attempted , their Pastoral Care obliged them to this proceed : They published the Condemnation of this Doctrine , and pointed it out , which prooved effectual to their Design . When Creeds and Catechisms are proposed to the vulgar , without further application to this or that Opinion of a private Doctour , or Heresie : there is no fear Children should become Heretiques , but are instructed in Faith . It is those , who with Pride and Pertinacy wrest these Sacred Texts to their own preconceived fancies , that run the hazard . To Master Whites person , neither they , nor I , have any Quarrel : It 's an errour of Judgment , to conceive him an Heretique ; For those onely are such , who voluntarisy and pertinaciously adhere to some one or more Doctrines , contrary to the received Faith of the Church : Those who deny all Faith , who pretend no Knowledge is necessary , but such as is establisht by natural Science and Demonstrations , are not Hereticks , but Naturalists , and Pagan Phylosophers . In your Third Age of the Church , which shall be directed by this new Light , there will be no possibility of Heresies . When St. Pauls words , Without faith it is impossible to please God , shall be evacuated ; his other Doctrine , Oportet Haereses esse , will find no place . Secondly , ●ow was this your Quarrel , ushered in pag. 4. with Tantoene animis coelestibus irae ? The Publisher had not bewrayed the least impatience ; there was nothing in the Book you pretend to answer , of his own : It was not he , but you , that pronounce your self guilty of Anger . And yet this was as pertinent , as your — Quid non mortalia pectora cogis ? is adapted to him , whom all good men ( better acquainted with him , ) have been more prone to censure , of the contrary disposition , to that , which you now slily would fix upon him . But yet not altogether unhappily was your Defence of a Poetical Purgatory , ushered in with these Poetical Exclamations . Thirdly , You tell us , pag. 7 , & 9. That Master White had long before appeal'd to these very Authorities , and urged them so home , that he had rendred it evident , They speak his Opinion , and against that Faith I sustain . My Reader may , if he please , for his satisfaction , peruse that mysterious place in his 16 dimens De med. Stat. And I answer , That it is not altogether unhappy , in an ill Cause , to be able to say any thing without blushing . I have seen Criminals deride the Court , scorn the Iudge ; but I never yet heard any of that eminent Confidence , that he durst Vaunt , the Court had pronounced in his favour , when he stood condemned by the Sentence . But because you have learnt to say so too , after your Master , an ordinary Reader will judge , That you verily beleeve you have no Credit to lose , when you will venture your rest at this disadvantage . The Pope defines Souls being purged even before the re-assumption of their bodies , and before the general Iudgment , were , are , and shall be in Heaven . The Council defines , Souls being now purged uncloathed of their Bodies , are Presently received into Heaven . I sustain this Faith ; That Souls may be purged uncloathed of their bodies , and that such are received presently into Heaven , before the re-assumption of their bodies and general Iudgment . You maintain the contradictory of this Position ; and yet you have the confidence to tell your Reader , and even hope he beleeves you ; That the Sentence is pronounced in your favour , and that I stand condemned by it . Fourthly , You quarrel , pag. 10. at the Title of their Book , which is : Concerning the state of departed Souls . You fancy a Mystery which they never meant , and tell us , this is a false Title ; the true one is , A definition of certain Articles concerning the blessed vision of God , and the beatitude and damnation of Souls . Which yet is the very self-same with the other ; in this onely differing , that what they comprehended in the word , state ; is here declared by this division , Of beatitude and damnution . Sect. 37. Fifthly , You tell us , pag. 11. the word Verbatim made you smile . Surely , Sir , you do not smile without some special grace ; since you mind us so often of it . And presently you triumph about the gender of Synodus , which you insinuate , the Publisher was ignorant of , he having added to it an Adjective in the Masculine gender : and you pursue your sport amain , and tell us , The Printer must take the fault upon him , or else the publisher will be suspected , to be better skilled in transcribin● Three hundred lines of Latin , then making three : and yet you safely pass this censure upon him , since the Printer was exact enough in all the Popes and Councils Latin . And further , you read us a Grammar Lesson , that some words in [ us ] are of the Feminine , some in [ a ] of the Masculine gender . Now , Sir , we will suppose that you were very carefull to examine the Print ; and yet ( for all your care ) Sacr●sanctum Ecclesiam escaped your eye : For since you came so lately from Grammar , I do not suspect you have forgot that Ecclesia● and Musa are of the Feminine gender , though Poeta indeed is ( as you tell us ) of the Masculine . But these are meer seven-years-old-School-boys imployments , unworthy your reflections , now you write Man , and would be tampering in Divinity . But it unbeseems your Youth , thus to attaque a person of Merit and Learning ; who long before your new minted Purgatory appeared in the world , both read and sustained Orthodox Divinity , in a famous University , ( and I hope I may say it without vanity ) with Dignity and Honour to that Chair : which was not every ones good fortune , even after their Conclusions had passed the Press , as I am informed out of Portugal . Sixthly , You laugh , pag. 18. at your Adversaries , as if they were afraid to produce their Reasons against Master White ; and therefore you must guess at their whispering Objections , by their stalking in great Letters . And elsewhere you tell us , We can not weild Reason , and therefore our weapons are Authority . What Goliath is this that exprobrates the Hoast of the Living God ? The Church , Sir , is both armed with Authority against Novelties , and is not unfurnished with Reason to sustain her Faith against all the Pagan Phylosophy of the world . If my indeavours receive your approbation , I shall proceed to further discoveries , in this your faithless pretended Theology . And as to your complaint , That some words in their little Book stalkt in great Letters , 't is grounded on your little conversation with Books ; where Capital Letters are frequent , especially in citing Authorities : For there where the force of the proof lies in two or three words , they are pointed out thus to the Readers eye and observation . You may , if you please , print in Capital Letters , Monachi subditi Episcopis , and Notent Monachi , and then , you will onely publish a little yet undigested Choler , in a Controversie again and again decided by that Tribunal , from which there is no appeal . Seventhly , You tell us , pag. 14. Master Whites opposers acknowledge , that this Question of Purgatory was not handled in Pope Benedict his dayes : since they accuse Master White for the first starter of this doubt . Your Adversary the Publisher of the Bull , hath nothing at all of this : If his other Opposers accuse him of it , I know not how they can justifie the Accusation . New Opinions are raked out of hell every day by the Heterodox party , of which we yet finde obscure footsteps in Antiquity . Many opinions were choaked by the authority of the Church even in their birth , and broached again . Your self acknowledge Pope Benedict , and many Doctors of the Latin Church , were of opinion , That Purgation might be perfected before Reunion , pag. 19. and it will not be improbable , if it was onely their Opinion ( as you pretend ) that others with Master White held the contrary . But how can you parallel pag. 17. Master White ( according to your Adversary ) with him , who brake a Law before it was made ; if Master White now breaks one , three hundred years after it was made ; unless you will suppose , that no one Article of our Faith was establisht , till some one or other impugned it , for otherwise , his now Crime ( or erroneous Doctrin ) might stand condemned long agoe . Sect. 38. Eightly , You would perswade your Reader , pag. 34 , 35. that not You , but We stand condemn'd by this Bull and Council : because the sole design of the Pope was , to secure this sacred verity , That perfect Charity brings an immediate heaven . And since your Adversary holds , That every soul immediately upon her separation , converts her self perfectly to God , and yet he detains her still in Purgatory , to suffer a dry and arbitrary punishment , which doth not redress the already rectified affections of the soul : It follows , He contradicts the Popes design , and stands condemned by this his Sentence . I answer , first , That I have already charged you with imposing on the Pope , and if it were true , that the Pope doth here define , That perfect Charity brings an immediate Heaven ( which when you shew we shall be thankful for the miracle ) yet does not your argument against us , at all conclude : for where does your Adversary tell you , That immediately upon separation , all the affections of the soul are rectified and she in perfect Charity ? much less that she hath satisfied the divine Justice for her irregularites in this mortal life . The Publisher hath not one word of this in his book you pretend to answer . ( You are like a Romancical Knight , you make Gyants and kill them ) but if he truely did hold this Doctrin which you impose upon him : yet will your Argument be of no force against him . For this question being proposed , Whether souls immediately upon separation , rectifie all their affections ? Your Adversary may take which side of the contradiction he pleases , and still sustain with the Pope and Council this their Doctrin of Purgatory against you . And first , let us suppose he should asser● with you , That inordinate affections do accompany the soul into the next life , yet he may sustain those Affections are purged and rectified before re-union : and what crime should he be guilty of , but of opposing your pretended Demonstrations ? and so your mock Victory , and Pageant Triumph ( whilst you would perswade him , p. 35. to acknowledge with regret , that the Pope and Council pronounce against him ) is at an end : the strength of your proof depending on An Imposition on the Pope , An Imposition on your Adversary , and a non-concluding Argument drawn out of them both . I had almost forgot , that in this case , he should withstand the authority of Virgil , whose Phylosophy your Master magnifies above that of the Church : though the Poet describes both corporal punishments inflicted on the Souls , ( which your master will needs understand after his too frequent Metaphorical manner ) and admits their passing into Elysium ( his feigned heaven ) before Resurrection , of which the Poet never dreamt . Nor even as to the proof that Affections to corporal pleasures do remain in Separated Souls ( for which end it is introduced ) doth this place of this Poet reach home : — nec funditus omnes Corporea excedunt pestes , penitusque necesse est , Multa diu concreta modis inolescere miris . For these words doe not clearly carry this sense ; Do all evils cease , all plagues all strifes Contracted in the body , many a stain Long time inured , needs must even then remain . But however ( to do him right ) if this place do not reach home , this Doctrin is frequent with the Heathen Poets in their Fables , as in that of Narcissus 3. Metamor . where he stands condemned to gaze upon himself in the next life , because he passed out of this , in a doting self-love . But if we should suppose the Publisher to approve : That such souls immediately upon separation , rectifie all disordered affections : how will you justifie , that this or perfect Charity is an immediate disposition to Beatifical Vision ? What do you think of Lumen Gloriae , the Light of Glory , which is farther required ? And if you fancy with your Master , lib. 5. Perip . Lect. 15. That God is a Sun , darting out existencies according to the several dispositions of Creatures . What doctrin shall we have from you of the Saints in this life ? will you pronounce , That never any Saint had perfectly regulated his affections but just in that very moment he passed out of this life ? What do you conceive of the holy Apostles ? of the Baptist ? what in particular of St. Paul , when he tels us , I live now not I , but Christ lives in me ? What of the holy Fathers ofx the old Law ? What of the ever Blessed Virgin , even when she bore the Saviour of the world in her sacred womb ? did all these injoy Beatitude , or were they imperfect in Charity ? or did this Sun not dart forth his existencies as perfect Charity the immediate disposition to heaven required ? But let us consider your Argument , you tell us , that your Adversary conceiving the Souls now perfect in Charity , delayes their Beatitude and condems them to a dry and arbitrary punishment , pag. 35. This dry and arbitrary punishment you have out of your Masters Doctrin , for he prosecutes it at length in his Middle State● Acc. 10 , 11 , &c. And first , he tells us , God doth not punish sinners upon the score of Revenge , nor for the satisfaction of Iustice ; since he suffers no injury by our offences . Nor can the punishments of Souls be involuntary , or springing from an external , much less , from a material Agent ; but from within . That such pains neither avail Them , nor Vs . Lastly , That these sufferings have no connexion with the sins : and yet God being a perfect Architect , hath so artificially framed his work ; that of it self it performs all operations without supplement , or future minute alterations , in any of its Members or Organs . And so he excepts against punishments which are supposed to remain due after the fault forgiven . Acc. 13. All which is but to retrive what the Heterodox party alledged long since , in their impugnations of Purgatory and Penance ; and which stands condemned by this the 30 Canon of the Council of Trent , Sess. 6. de Iustif. occasioned by this Doctrine . If any one shall say , That to every penitent sinner , after the grace of Iustification received , that so the fault is forgiven , and the guilt of eternal punishment , that there remains no guilt of temporal punishment to be payd , either in this life , or in the future in Purgatory , before the passage to Heaven may be opened ; let him be Anathema . Thus the Council . Where by the way you may observe a temporary punishment in Purgatory , against your Systeme : and after the remission of the fault , a punishment due . But because this Truth is so fundamental in the Sacred Council , all its Doctrine of Satisfaction , the third part of Penance , depending on it : Let us compare its Sacred Oracles , with the Doctrine of our new Master . And first , Sess. 14. cap. 8. Of the necessity and fruit of Satisfaction . The Council declares this Doctrine ( of Satisfaction ) to have been the constantly received Faith of the Church by Divine Tradition , and is impugned now by those who have an outside of Piety , but have denied the vertue of it . Directly opposite to our new School , which teaches , That Pains remain not due , after the fault forgiven : under pretence of promoting solid Devotion . And the Council pronounces , That it is altogether false , and against the Word of God , that the fault is never remitted , but that All the punishment is also forgiven . For besides Divine Tradition , there are illustrious examples in holy Writ , which most manifestly convince this Errour . Thus the Council , directly against our new Master , as will presently appear by his answer to this Doctrine . Further the Council pursues . Nay , the order of the Divine Iustice doth seem to require , that in an other manner sins should be pardoned in them who before Baptism offended by ignorance ; then in those who after Baptism violate the Temple of God . And it becomes the Divine Clemency , that sins should not be pardoned ( in Penance ) without any satisfaction . Directly against our Master , who tells us ; No Punishments are inflicted upon the score of satisfying the Divine Iustice , since God suffers no injury by our offences . The Council holds on . Let the Priests of God have before their eyes , that the Satisfaction which they impose ( on Penitents ) be not onely as to the guard of a new life , or as a medicine of infirmity ; but also as in revenge and chastisement of their past sins . And on this Doctrine , the Practice of the Church is grounded in the Sacrament of Penance , where Satisfaction is injoyned after Absolution and forgiveness of the sin , and that in Revenge and Chastisement . Directly against our Master , who excepts against this Doctrine , That after the sin forgiven , Pains remain due . And the Council concludes : which whilst our Innovatours will not understand , they so teach the best Repentance to be a new life , that they take away all the force and use of Satisfaction . And again , the same Council , Sess. 6. cap. 14. declares ; That in the Penance of those who fall into sin ( after Baptism ) is not onely contained , Ceasing from sins , and a detestation of them , or a contrite and humbled heart ; but a confession and absolution ; and also Satisfaction by Fastings , Alms , Prayers , &c. Not for the Eternal punishment , which together with the fault is remitted by the Sacrament ; but for the temporal punishment , which ( as holy Writ teaches ) is not All of it , alwayes remitted as in Baptism . Directly against Him : For the Fault is here remitted , together with the Guilt of Eternal punishment , by the Sacrament , and yet Temporal pains remain due in Penance , but not in Baptism . You see , Sir , Punishments due , after the sin remitted ; which Doctrine you would disgrace with your epithetes of dry and arbitrary . Where by the way I would have you observe , That sins are in an other manner remitted in Baptism , then in penance ; for in this , a Temporary punishment remains due , not in That . And I pray you tell us , when you write again , Whether in Baptism receiceived with your Conditional affection to mortal sins , or an Absolute one to venial sins , if the Party should at that very moment depart this life ; your Master would not condemn him to Purgatorry , even till the Day of Iudgment ? though this Countil here declare , that the Fault , together with the Punishment , is All of it remitted in Baptism ; and the Council of Florence defines , That the Souls of them who after Baptism received , contract no blemish at all of sin , are Presently received into Heaven . I do very much suspect , this Presently will signifie at the Day of Iudgment , in your Doctrine . But because the Council here mentions Illustrious Examples in Scripture , where the sin was forgiven , and yet a punishment inflicted , which had no natural connexion to the sin it self , as all Divines understand in the case of David ; where for his Crime , now forgiven , God took away his Son . It is not unworthy our observation , how our great Master was pinched with this Example , when he sustains , De Med. Stat. dimens 13. That punishments are not inflicted by God , which have no connexion with the crime . For there having ( most injuriously ) tied God to Nature ; and told us , That God being the Author of Nature , which flows from him as from its proper Cause , mu contradict himself , if he act any thing against it : And therefore cannot assign punishments bearing no connexion with the fault . Yet presently ( in the same leaf ) to answer this Case of David , he was forced to have recourse to a Miracle , or work beyond the usual and connatural course of causes , and the usual connexion between the fault and penalty , that God might signalize a revenge : ( which according to his Doctrine , is to make God contradicts himself . ) In which he contradicts all his former Positions and Grounds , both of Gods proceeding on the score of Revenge and Justice ; and this his now delivered Doctrine , That he punishes not , but by a Penalty naturally connected , or flowing from the Crime . But presently he tells us , That such Examples are not to be drawn to the condition of ordinary punishments , which are usual in the common order of things . But why it may not be extended , that Gods Iustice may and doth require of separated Souls , a punishment not now flowing from their inordinate Affections , he doth not tell us : Nor indeed could he give other Reason then , that this Doctrine would not square with his Peripatetick Theology . For if either the inordinate ●ffections of Souls , in that state , might be redressed , or the Divine Iustice be satisfied by their sufferings , or our prayers before reunion ; the design he had in molding his new Purgatory , ( which he himself sufficiently declares , De Med. Stat. dimens 22. ) had been ruined and overthrown . Much better then , and more solidly did Calvin Phylosophyse , Instit. li● . 3. cap. 5. § . 6. What is Purgatory ( says he to Catholicks ) but that satisfaction for sins which the souls of those who depart this life suffer ? So that if this Opinion of satisfaction be destroyed , out of hand Purgatory it self is quite pulled up by the very roots . And when you write again , Sir , I expect your modesty should tell us ; That this Council too , as well as that of Florence , doth not decree any thing against your Master , but against me . The Bells will happily chyme your unchangeable brutish Affections in separated Souls : No punishments due after the sin forgiven : No temporary Punishment in Purgatory : No punishment in Revenge and chastisement : No punishment inflicted by God , but such as naturally flow from the Crimes . Sect. 39. But what is all This , if Master White ( as you tell us , pag. 33. ) say it is demonstrable , that Souls being purged are immediately in Heaven ? Or if you can not beat it , with all this indeavour , into our heads , that charity is the immediate disposition to bliss : since this is the ground of his envied Book , forsooth , of the Middle State of Souls ? ( as you say , pag. 34. ) For what can all the Councils prevail against a Demonstration ? And were it not worth my Readers pains to see , and satiate his soul , with the excellent Demonstration of this sacred Verity ? the Pope in our present Bull declares , Souls now purged see the divine Essence . And we having , touched something of his new Hell , why should we not see how his A ●amantine Chain reaches to Heaven too ? Thus then , Instit. Sac. Tom. 2. lib. 3. Lect. 6. he with incomparable evidence , sufficient to destroy the hitherto onely Faith of the world demonstrates , That Souls perfect in Charity , enjoy the Beatifical Vision . And first presupposing , That souls in the next life attain a plenary knowledge of all things . He thus pursues , Nevertheless ( sayes he ) since God is one onely formality , which is so elevated above the reasons of all possible , and existent things , that it is superior to gender ( genus ) it self , and hath no common reason : it is evident that an intellect by force of the intellection of all possible things , much less of existents , can not be erected by consequence , and as it were virtual discourse , to the knowledg of such a formality , which is ( as we may say ) as it were , the diffinition of God : and therefore can not intuitively see God . Again , it is evident , That those who have lived holily , that is , exercised themselves to have God for the last end , and s●le good , having now received this plentitude of knowledg , out of that , that they more strongly and evidently know this truth , do infinitely increase in the affection to see God : and since the Will is a reflection of existence upon essence , by which the vertue of the entity is exercised and applyed to the desired effect : such a Saint , not to be any other thing , then a man exercised according to the whole vertue and Entity , in respect of the Vision of God . Since that then as to know himself , is to be himself to be , so to know God , is to be God : that is , {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} to be ( of ) to be ( {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} esse esse ) but since the vertue of a thing to be , is nothing but a potentiality , especially in respect of to be subsistent , which is both essence and to be : it is concluded such a Saint , by all which is in him , not to be any thing else , but an actual and exercised potentiality of being God . Since therefore on the part of God , out of that that he is to be it self , ( or speaking more especially , it is to be understood in act it self , or to be in act understood , which is to be his own to understand passively : so that to be understood , is not in him a denomination , but a real quality ( that very quality which constitutes the Father ) and this quality or property is subsistent , and by consequence proper to no power but to any one accommodated ) nothing can be wanting which appertains to the reason of act and actuality : it is concluded , That the Saints and God are one by power and act , that is , that the Saints cleerly see God . And now , truly Sir , if my Readers patience hath held out , as mine hath to Translate this long Demonstration , just as it lyes , for fear of spoiling the Non-sense , I think he desires me to make it his humble request to that Ingenious Gentleman , who Translated your Masters Middle State of Souls , who hath so well delivered us Virgils sense , to put this admirable Demonstration in Rhime , it will go rarely to a Jewes Trump . And I desire you to tel me when you Write again , in what Moode and Figure this Syllogisme concludes . But now having Demnostratively understood , That the Saints perfect in Charity immediately see God . Let us see how you pursue the way that Separated Souls attain to this perfection by Re-union , And so ; Sect. 40. Ninethly , You tell us , pag. 37. Master White endeavours to finde a state in which the soul may be changeable to more holy desires , and a connatural cause to give her those desires , to wit , the corporal and mental sight of her dearest Saviour , &c. For what state more fit for changeableness , then a corporeal one ? and what more powerful to ravish the whole affections of a soul , then the divine face of her Spouse ? My Reader will not wonder at the inventions your Master finds out , now he is a little acquainted with the head that finds them . Yet this invention is worth our observation , which I suspect , you will hardly shew in any former writer , and so justly he may be proud of it . The Souls then have been all the time of their separation , in a state of suffering only , by their irregular affections : which being wholly unchangeable in that state , they are as yet not purged , or cleansed at all , but perfectly the same they were at the moment of death : but now by reunion with the body they are put into a new state of changeableness . Now , Sir , Christians that have hitherto walked by Faith , do all conceive that the way or Pilgrimage of men to the future life , is ended at death . They never heard that Souls at the Resurrection are returned to Act again in order to Eternity . If that state do render Souls changeable and free , and their actions then , have such an influence on their future state , it will justly be feared , that many of them may drop out of Purgatory into Hell . Nor will the sight of the Divine face of their Spouse , quite evacuate this apprehension : For if the Soul be not necessarily , but freely and voluntarily ravisht , the doubt will remain , Whether she will still continue her inordinate affections , or avert her self wholly from God , and so either remain in his Purgatory still , or nowpass into Hell ? And how happily , Sir , doth this change of affections ( which is your sole and onely purging or cleansing of the Soul , wrought by the sight of the Divine face of Christ , which sight is doubtless an incomparable pleasure , and such an one as ravishes the whole affections of the Soul ) agree with the Decrees of these Councils : That of Florence , when it defines ; The Souls are purged by the pains of Purgatory . That of Trent , when it teaches ; After the sin remitted , temporary pains are due in Purgatory . When now we are taught , that souls are purged by pure pleasures , the sight of their dear Spouse . And in earnest , Sir , I know not why the world is not more inamoured of your Doctrine : You have now filled our lives with the pleasures of the body ; you have quite turned the pains and afflictions of Souls in the state of separation , into Pure pleasures : And now at the Re-union , you fancy the Souls affections changed ; ( that is her self purged ) by an incomparable pleasure , which even ravishes all her affections . And to compleat a most pleasant Divinity , I could pursue it , even to your Masters pleasant Hell : who , Instit. Sac. lib. 3. lec . 9. describes the damned so pleased with their torments , that they are in love with them , and would not be without them . But I reserve that to an other discovery . Onely I will for the present mind you , that since the inordinate Affections of the damned are their torment , ( according to your Master in that same place , ) and those affections remain in them , in the same proportion they were in this life ; and since doubtless where pleasures are possible , and easie to be attained , and we continually pressed by our bodies to the enjoyment ; the refraining from them is a far greater torment , then where the temptations are not so impetuous , or none at all ; and the injoyment represented as impossible , which at one blow outs off all the Wills pursuit : It will follow , That those who restrain themselves from these pleasures , are in a greater Hell in this life , then those who are damned in the next . And therefore it would not seem very rational , that any man should precipitate himself voluntarily now into a greater Hell , where is duration and succession , to avoid a less in the future life , the duration of which , is but as one moment . And let me further beg of you , to render us a cleer account , How it should happen , that the Souls of the damned at the re-union should not all of them rectifie their now disordered affections , and fly to Heaven : For since your Master hath already taught us , That the damned Souls are now furnished with all knowledge , all erroneous judgments corrected in them : their grief depending on this , that their affections to corporal pleasures are greater then in proportion to other desires , which ought to be preferred : it would not be inconsequent to t●is Doctrine , That those damned souls now seeing most evidently , that other desires ought to be preferred before these affections to corporal pleasures , ( since this errour is now rectified ) and they in a condition , by re-union with the body , of changeableness , they should also rectifie their affections , which are but these judgments , and by consequence become now Denizons of Heaven , which also might seem to become the Mercies of God , and render the state of the Blessed more happy there , by their company . Sect. 41. Tenthly , You entertain your Reader , pag. 36 , &c. with scoffing at hallowed Grains , sanctified Beads , the extending of Indulgencies to the next World , which you style External devices , Vtensils of a thriving Devotion , deluding Priviledges , &c. which perfectly befits a Scholar trained up in Luthers School ; thus he began . And you are not content with this , you retrive again , ( in the same place , ) and fix upon your Adversary , that signal calumny long since fixt upon the Church , ( for the use of such things , ) That she goes to Heaven by such things , not by holy desires : Nor even pretends , that such things promote souls in holy desires , or increase sanctity in them . In which you speak against your own Soul and Conscience : For you very well know , the Church is not guilty of this ; nor your Adversary , who will tell you , that he beleeves with St. Paul , that if he had faith able to remove mountains , yet it would not avail him without charity ; and further tells you , That such things as you here enumerate , do increase sanctity and holy desires in us , and render our prayers more effectual for the Souls in Purgatory . Eleventhly , You tell us , ( in your Postscript , ) That private calumnies are whispered against Master White , as holding strange Opinions , which his own Books contradict . I have also heard something of this , and I think our informations jump ; you may peradventure find it hinted at in this discourse : Nor need that Gentleman fear your title of a Calumniatour , or that his Authority will not carry it , nor indeed will it be engaged in the Quarrel ; he is provided of a Defence ; I have shewed him that very Doctrine in terms , in your Masters Book , which he had told him in Private ; it is ready for you , you shall have it when you please to call for it : And I wonder those solid persons , acquainted with every ressort of his Learning , did not see it . Lastly , You add , Your Master hath this comfort , That his carriage needs neither fear the exemplarity of his Adversaries lives , nor his unparalled Learning the force of their Arguments . In which , your Reader will be perswaded , that you were not a perfect Scholar in Galateus his School . The Publisher against whom you write , is a Person of eminent exemplarity ; and for my part , where your Masters Pen is not engaged , I have been edified by him , even in his Writings I find some things most excellent ; but why comparisons should be made , I do not understand . You and I being private persons , hope still the best , and pray for all those whom we desire to better by our example : But because it is both laudable and lawfull to magnifie the good and pious lives of men , I joyn heartily with you in this Encomium of your Master : And if you now design to advance in order to his Canonization , and can make good his Faith , ( which is the first Quaere of that Court , ) I shall very willingly give testimony to the exemplarity of his Life . I wish from my Soul , his Doctrine would appear intirely and fully Catholick ; and for the rest , you have my Vote ; he may be beleeved , as holy , as St. Iohn Baptist . Sect. 42. And now , Sir , I hope to have given you some satisfaction in our point in controversie . We as yet have proceeded upon this unshakeable ground , That the Councils are unerrable in their Decrees ; and upon this I have received a very ample and full ▪ one my self . I do beleeve , That Souls are purged uncloathed of their Bodies , and presently received into Heaven before re-union with them . And that the Council and Pope deliver this Position , I must see , if I have eyes ; and I hope you will , by what is said . And this hope is heightned in me , because my Conscience tell me , I have proceeded with as even a hand as I could , in balancing what you have said against it , with that which I have said for it . If I am byassed naturally on either side , it is on yours : Nature prompts me still to wish , the Church and her Faith were not engaged against you : Your opinion would , at one blow , ease me of that incumbent care to assist my dead Friends : But I have learnt this work of mercy from a Child , to pray for the Dead , which in your Systeme ( as I have evinced ) is fruitless . But alas , Sir , this business of Purgatory is not that which so much troubles my head , though it be one : I have a deeper fear : I am pressed with the consideration of this new molded Theology , I see this demonstrative Doctrine , this pretence of reducing the mysteries of Faith to our narrow brains , this hope of introducing Science in lieu of Faith into the World , strikes much deeper then yet You imagine . Nor am I at all confident of your solid cleer-sighted Friends , who are acquainted with every resort of Master Whites Doctrine . I fear , and I think not without Reason , the Church and He have nothing common , but words ; for the notions and significations are quite different : But our Faith lies not in the sound of words , but in the sense and meaning of them . When I am told , Souls are not purged in the state of separation , but onely at re-union ; though the word Purgatory yet remain , my Faith remains not of this Article . And so it will fare with the rest . I do beleeve Faith , Hope , and Charity are infused by the Holy Ghost , into our souls in Baptism . I do beleeve holy Iustif●ing Grace ( by which we are the Sons of God ) is something inhaerent in our souls ; and my notion of these things which are supernatural , is , that they are of a different order and series then Nature . But when I am now taught , God is the Author of Nature , but showrs not down into us an other series of things of an other or differing order ; Reason is Nature to us , and the perfection of Reason is Demonstration : Though at the same time we are taught , That God perfects Nature by supernatural things ; yet I suspect the word supernatural , being still the same , that now it is become aequivocal , and signifies an other thing with him then it does with me . I do believe the ever Blessed Trinity to be Three real Persons , Father , Son and Holy Ghost : Yet where I find this most sublime mystery pretended to be Demonstrated by what is Essential in God ( to know and love himself , ) when I find it so brought down to our capacities , that it is pretended , The examples of Logick and Natural Phylosophy equalize this Mystery ; when I am taught , That the Father and Son ( in Divinis ) are Metaphors : I have a great apprehension that this Doctrin and my hitherto received Faith agree but in words , not in the things signified by them . I do believe , That God most freely , and of his own goodness built this Vniverse : I believe , He is not necessarily tyed to the order or course of Nature : And when I am now taught , That God must contradict himself if he Act any thing against Nature . That , Out of the force and series of Nature , nothing could happen better to Iudas , then to be damned . In fine , God should cease to be God , if this Flye should not now be in nature . I fear though we agree in this word God , our apprehensions jump not at all . Christians apprehend and adore the liberal free hand of their Maker ; but a God tyed to any thing besides himself , is not a Christian God , but a Pagan Iupiter . I do believe upon Christs words , That if I keep the Commandments I shall enter into life : and this is the foundation of my Doctrin of manners . And when I am now taught , That God neither commands nor forbids any thing . However we agree in these words , Thou shalt not Steal : Thou shalt not commit Adultery : my whole Doctrin of Morality is banished by this assertion . It will hereafter appear your Master hath furnished us with a fa● other Morality then ever Escobar thought of . What do you think of this Position of your Master in his book of Government and Obedience , ground 6. speaking of himself , An other man ( says he ) is no otherwise to me , then a peece of Cloath or Wood , which I cut and shape after my own will , fittingly for my use : Even though I do him harme , or seek his ruine ; It follows not I wrong him . How well doth this agree with that Principle of Nature , That we ought so to do to others , as we would have them do to us ? In summ , where I see a pretender to Demonstrate all the Mysteries of our holy Faith , and that Faith shall cease and Evidence take place , I justly fear though the words are still retained , this is but to supplant Christ and his Doctrin ; our notions and significations of words must be changed , or else these stupendious Mysteries can not be levelled to our weak capacities . But though these be my apprehensions , yet I wish I were mistaken : I wish these new Doctrines may receive such Explications , that they may appear no less Catholick then those I profess , and shall be as happy to receive satisfaction , as you to give it me ; but , withal , I must frankly promise you , that I shall require your satisfaction both in these and many other Doctrines . I do acknowledge with thankfulness , that one may be instructed by Master White , whose excellent Wit and Pen , if duly applyed , is admirable ; but if I mistake not , he hath flown beyond the bounds fixed by an unerring hand : and therefore desire you to accept of this serious Protestation , That I have an intire respect for his Person , and if any harsh word hath escaped my Pen , it is the Doctrine not He that is concerned in the Epithete : the same I speake and intend to your self . Though if you consider the case aright ( where not only whatsoever is sacred to Catholicks , but what the Heterodox-Party agree with them in , is thus attaqued ; Where the foundations of Christianity and of all Religion , the Liberty of God , and Contingency of Creatures , is thus attempted by a Lucretian Galamawfry Phylosophy , to make way for a new Demonstrative Religion ) such an exotick design deserves not a more mild censure then what I have fixed upon it : and yet I hope you will nor find your too too frequent Calumniating Adversaries , or any thing like it in my whole booke . If you think there is any animosity in my Discourse , I heartily beg your pardon : we daily say , Sicut & nos dimittimus , where these heats are easily allayed ; and for our present Controversie of Purgatory , let us patiently expect the determination of our undoubted Superior , the Present soveraign Pastor , who ( as the Florentin Council here tell us ) holds the Primacy over the whole World : Who is the Successor of St. Peter , the Prince of the Apostles : and the true Vicar of Christ , and the Head of the whole Church , and the Father and Teacher of all Christians : And who finally had full power delivered unto him by our Lord Iesus Christ in St. Peter to Feed , to Rule , and to Govern the Vniversal Church . To whom we will Candidly , Fairly and Religiously , ( and not by any false suggestions or surprising friends , as you most strangely suspect , pag. 40. and thereby at once condemn both that Supream Court of Weakness , if not of Corruption , and your adversaries of Dishonesty ) remit the whole Controversie , and humbly submit to his Judgment , both in this Particular , and in all other Disputable Points whatsoever . FINIS . THe Publisher desires my Adversary to take notice , That if there be any thing in this Discourse which depends on matter of Fact , in which he desires to be satisfied , he is ready to give him intire satisfaction before any Person of Honour , by undoubted Witnesses . A THE BULL OF Pope BENEDICT the Eleventh , ( Otherwise called the Twelfth ) Promulgated in the Year , 1336. Concerning the State of Departed SOULS . Faithfully Translated , as it is in the Roman Bullary , Printed at Rome , Anno Dom. 1638. Benedict , Bishop , the Servant of Gods Servants , To the perpetual memory of Posterity . BLessed be God in his Gifts , and Holy in all his works , who through his mercy forsakes not the Sacred Roman , Catholique , and Apostolical Church , which his right hand hath planted as his Vineyard , and which he hath raised up , as chief and Conqueress , to be the head of all Churches ; our Lord saying to Peter , Thou art Peter , and upon this Rock I will build my Church : but by his blessed Apostles , especially Peter and Paul , the singular Defenders of the same Church , keeps her through his compassionate Benignity and continual Piety : that she being governed by these Rulers , may remain stable in her self , as founded upon the firm Rock , and that all the believers of the Christian Faith may obey her , may yield to her , may intend to her , may live under her authority , may be under her discipline and correction . That in her nothing may be taught rashly , nothing brought in unwarily , nothing in Faith unadvisedly introduced : and that so men may decline from evil , and do good ; that they may walk in the right paths , and make progress to better things , by their holy desires ; that they may hopefully expect the neer approaching rewards of the eternal life of just men , and fearfully dread the not far off calamities of Hell , appointed for the wicked . For it is written , Behold I come quickly , and my reward is with me , to render unto every one according to his works . But if it shall be otherwise attempted by any one ; that she forthwith by her authority ( adding also punishments thereunto , as she shall judge it expedient ) totally root it out . For which Church ( to the end that she subsisting in her self might inform others ) our Saviour Christ Jesus prayed to his Father in the time of his Passion , saying , Simon , behold Satan hath desired to have you , that he may fift you as Wheat : but I have prayed for thee , that thy faith may not fail , and when thou art converted strengthen thy Brethren . § . 1. There arose indeed a matter of question not long since , in the time of Iohn the 22 our Predecessor of happy memory , between some Doctors of Divinity , concerning the Vision of the Souls of just men after their death , in which there was nothing to be purged , when they departed out of this world , or if there were , it was now totally purged ; Whether they see the Divine Essence before the assumption of their Bodies , and the generall Judgement , and also concerning other matters : some of them holding the negative , some the affirmative ; others according to their own imaginations , endeavouring to shew divers things , and in divers manners , concerning the Vision of the Divine Essence by the Souls aforesaid , as it is known apparently by their words and writings , and by their rejected Disputations , which we here omit for brevities sake : because they so differed amongst themselves from our determinations . And whereas our aforesaid Predecessor , to whom the determination of the above-mentioned Questions did belong , had prepared himself in his publick Consistory , as well before his Brethren , the Cardinals of the holy Roman Church , ( of whose members we our selves then were ) as before the Prelates and Doctors in Divinity ( many of them being present ) strictly charging and commanding them , that each one should deliberately deliver his opinion , concerning the matter of the aforesaid Vision , when he should require it from them : But being prevented by Death ( as it pleased God ) he could not effect it . § . 2. We therefore , ( after the death of our aforesaid Predecessor , being assumed to sit in the Apostolical Seat ; more seriously considering , how great dangers of Souls might be incurr'd , and how many scandals might arise , if the aforesaid contentions were left unresolved : to the end that the diversity of opinions may perish , and the solidity of truth may plainly appear , having first made use of a careful examination of the matters aforesaid , and having diligently deliberated with our Brethren , the Cardinals of the said Roman Church : Do , with the advice of those our Brethren , by the Apostolicall authoritie , Define by this constitution to be valid for ever . § . 3. That according to the common ordination of God , The Souls of all the Saints , which departed out of this world before the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ ; as also the Souls of the holy Apostles , Martyrs , Confessors , Virgins , and of the other faithfull , departed after they had received Christs sacred Baptism ; in whom there was nothi●g to be purged when they departed , nor also shxall be when he●eafter they shall depart this life ; or if there then be , or shall be any thing to be purged in them , when after Death they shall be purged . And , That the Souls of Infants , regenerated with the said Christian Baptism , and to be baptized ; when being baptized they shall depart this life , before they have the use of their free will . PRESENTLY after their departure , and after the aforesaid Purgation , in such as stood in need thereof ; EVEN BEFORE THE RESUMPTION OF THEIR BODIES , AND BEFORE THE GENERAL JUDGEMENT ; ( since the Ascension of our Lord and Saviour Jesus into Heaven : ) WERE , ARE , AND SHALL BE IN HEAVEN , in the heavenly Kingdome , in the celestial Paradise with Christ , aggregated to the fellowship of the holy Angels ; and ( since the Passion and Death of our Lord Jesus Christ , ) they have seen , and do see the Divine Essence by an intuitive vision , and even face to face , without the mediation of any creature interposing it self by way of a visible object ; but the Divine Essence shewing it self immediately unto them , nakedly , clearly , and openly : And , That they thus seeing the Divine Essence , do enjoy the same . Moreover , That by such a vision and fruition , the Souls of them who are already departed out of this life , are truly blessed , and have eternal life and rest ; and so shall their Souls be , which shall hereafter depart this life , when they shall see the same Divine Essence , and enjoy it before the general Judgment . And , That this Vision and Fruition of the Divine Essence , doth evacuate in them , and cause to cease the Acts of Faith and Hope ; as Faith and Hope are properly Theological Vertues . And , That after such an intuitive and facial Vision and Fruition shall be begun in them ; the same Vision and Fruition , without any interruption , evacuation or cessation , hath remained , continued , and shall be continued , even to the final Judgment , and afterwards , even to all Eternity . § . 4. Moreover We Define , That according to Gods common ordination , the souls of such as die in actual deadly sin , descend PRESENTLY into Hell after their death , where they are tormented with infernal punishments ; and , That nevertheless , in the Day of Judgment all men shall appear before the Tribunal of Christ with their bodies , to render an account of their own actions , that every one may bear the proper things of his body , according to what he hath done , whether good or evil , § . 5. Decreeing , That our Definitions or Determinations aforesaid , and every of them , be held by all faithfull people : And that whosoever shall hereafter presume , wittingly and pertinaciously to hold , affirm , preach , teach , and defend , by Word or by Writing , contrary to these our aforesaid Definitions , or Determinations , and every of them ; It be proceeded against him in due manner , as AGAINST AN HERETICK . § . 6. Let it not therefore be lawfull for any man to violate this Page of our Constitution , or by a rash boldness to do against the same . But if any one shall presume to attempt it ; let him know , that he shall incur the wrath of the Almighty God , and of the blessed Peter and Paul his Apopostles . Given at Avinion , on the Fourth of the Calends of February , in the Second Year of Our Popedome . In like manner it was decreed in the Eighth General Synod , held at Florence , under Eugenius the Fourth ; as appears in the Letters of the holy Union between the Latin and Greek Church . In these terms . Out of the Eighth Geneneral Synod held at Florence , under Eugenius the Fourth . In the Letters of the holy Union between the Latin and Greek Churches . The Sacred Council aprooving , We Define . Artic. 3. IF truly penitent Souls shall depart this Life before they have satisfied for their Commissions and Omissions , by the worthy Fruits of Penance : That their Souls are purged by the punishment of Purgatory , after their Bodies Death : And that to relieve them from such their punishments , the Suffrages of the faithfull yet living do profit them , to wit , Sacrifices of the Mass , Prayers , Alms-deeds , and other offices of piety , which are used to be performed by the faithfull for other faithfull , according to the institute of the Church . Art. 4. And that the Souls of them , who after Baptism received , have contracted no blemish at all of any Sin ; as also those Souls , which after they have contracted the blemish of sin , are purged either in their Bodies , or being UNCLOATHED OF THEIR BODIES , ( as is above-said , ) are PRESENTLY received into Heaven , and clearly behold God himself in Trinity and Unity , as he is ; yet according to the diversity of Merits , one more perfect then another . Art. 5. But that the Souls of them who depart this life in actual deadly sin , or onely in Original sin , do PRESENTLY descend into Hell , to be there punished , though with unequal punishments . We also define , That the holy Apostolical Sea , and the Roman Bishop , holds the Primacy over the whole World ; and that he , ( the Roman Bishop , ) is the Successor of St. Peter the Prince of the Apostles , and the true Vicar of Christ , and the Head of the whole Church ; and the Father and Teacher of all Christians ; and that full power was delivered unto him by our Lord Jesus Christ in St. Peter , to feed , to rule , and to govern the universal Church : As it is also contained in the Acts of General Councils , and in the sacred Canons . Given at Florence , in the publick Synodical Session . In the year 1439. And subscribed by the Emperour of Constantinople , and the Greek and Latin Fathers , there and then present : as it appears in the Books of the Councils . B The Ten Heresies condemned by this Bull of Pope Benedict ; gathered by Eymericus in his Directory of the Inquisitors , approved by Gregory xiii . cited , Pag. 29. IN the Extravagant of Pope Benedict xii . ( says Eymericus ) which begins , Blessed be God . These following Heresies are condemned , and their contraries are proved to be Catholick verities , and to be held as matters of Faith . The first Heresie is , That according to the common ordination of God , the Souls of Just men departed before the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ , in which nothing was to be purged ; presently after the said Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ , before the resumption of their Bodies , and the general Iudgment , did not see , nor do see , nor shall see cleerly and openly the Divine Essence , nor do enjoy it . No● after the Ascension of our Lord Iesus Christ , were , are , nor shall be in Heaven , in the Heavenly Kingdome , and celestial Paradise with Christ , aggregated to the fellowship of the holy Angels . The Second Heresie is , That according to the common ordination of God , the Souls of Just men departed before the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ , in which something remained to be purged , the purgation being totally compleated , presently after the said Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ , before the resumption of their bodies , and the general Iudgment ; did not see , nor do see , nor shall see , the Divine Essence , clearly and openly , not do enjoy it : Nor after the Ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ , were , are , nor shall be in Heaven , &c. The Third Heresie is , That according to the common ordination of God , the Souls of Just men departed , after they had received the sacred Baptism , in which nothing is to be purged , when they depart , before the resumption of their bodies , and the general Iudgment , do not see , nor shall see , the Divine Essence , clearly and openly , nor do enjoy it , nor are , nor shall be in Heaven , in the Heavenly Kingdome , &c. The Fourth Heresie is , That according to the common ordination of God , the Souls of Just men , departing after they have received the sacred Baptism , in which there is somthing to be purged , when they depart , their purgation being also totally compleated , before the resumption of their bodies , and the general Iudgment , do not see , nor shall see clearly and openly , the Divine Essence , nor do , nor shall enjoy it , nor are , nor shall be in Heaven , &c. The Fifth Heresie is , That according to the common ordination of God , the Souls of Infants regenerated by sacred Baptism , departing before the use of their Free-will , before the resumption of their bodies , and the general Iudgment , do neither see , nor shall see , clearly and openly , the Divine Essence , nor do enjoy it , nor shall enjoy it , nor are , nor shall be in Heaven , &c. The Sixth Heresie is , That according to the common ordination of God , the Souls of all the aforesaid Just men departed , before the resumption of their bodies , and the general Iudgment , shall not be blessed with the Divine Vision and Fruition , nor shall have eternal life and rest . The Seventh Heresie is , That the Vision which the blessed Souls have of the Divine Essence , is not an intuitive and facial Vision . The Eighth Heresie is , That according to the common ordination of God , the intuitive and facial Vision and Fruition of the Divine Essence shall be evacuated in the Blessed , nor shall be continued until the final Judgment , nor from thence unto all Eternity . The Ninth Heresie is , That according to the common ordination of God , the Souls departed in mortal Sin , presently after death do not descend into Hell , nor are tormented with infernal punishments . The Tenth Heresie is , That in the day of Judgmen● , all men shall not appear with their bodies before the Tribunal of Christ , to render an account of their actions , 2 Cor. 5. 10. that every one may receive the things done in his bodie according to that he hath done , whether it be good or bad . C. The Discourse of an Eminently Learned Divine of our Nation , to prove the delivery of Souls before the Resurrection . Cited pag. 42. The Condemnation of Blacklow ( or White ) by a Pope and General Council . THe sense of the Florentin Council of the admission of some Souls , even those that now are in Purgatory , to Eternal Beatitude , before the day of General judgment . The Definition of the Council . In the Name of the most holy Trinity , Father , Son and Holy Ghost : This Sacred and Vniversal Florentin Council approving , we define , That the Souls of those who after Baptism received have contracted no Blemish at all of sin ; as also the souls of those which after the blemish of sin contracted , are now purged either in their bodies , or uncloated of their said bodies ( as is above said ) presently are received into Heaven , and do behold God himself in Trinity and Vnity as he is . Thus the Council . Though the very Text it self of the Florentin Council , seemes abundantly sufficient to evince what we here aime at and intend : yet that the Stubborness of some persons ( who are not the most knowing in the Ecclesiastical doctrin ) may more powerfully be repressed . It is to be noted , That when any doubt arises concerning the meaning of a Council , we are diligently to seek out what occasioned such a Decree , and find what was then chiefly agitated and debated . The matter here in dispute between the Latins and the Greeks , was this , What Souls were admitted 〈…〉 to eternal Beatitude before the day of general Iudgement ? Let us hear the Latins in this question concerning the fire of Purgatory ; presently in the beginning of the Council . The Latins acknowledge both in this world a fire , and a Purgatory by fire ; and also in the future world they acknowledg a fire , yet not purging , but eternal . They confess also , That souls are cleansed and freed by that ( first named ) Purgatory Fire , and that he who hath committed many offences , is freed after a long time of purgation ; but he who hath committed a few , is sooner delivered . Let us now heare the Greeks . The Greeks are of opinion , That the Fire is in the future onely , and that in this world , The temporary punishment of sinful Souls consists in their being imprisoned in a darksome place , where they remain for a time ; but that they are purged , that is , freed and delivered from that obscure and afflicting place , by the Prayers and Sacrifices of the Priests , but not by Fire . Hitherto the Council of the Souls in Purgatory . It proceeds to declare the opinions of both Churches , concerning the souls of Just men , which have no debt at all to be paid . The Latins say , That the souls of holy and just men are in Heaven ; and that ( without any medium ) they see and enjoy the Sacred Trinity . The Greeks imagine that the souls of just men have indeed obtain'd Beatitude , but not perfectly ; and that they shall perfectly enjoy it , when they shall be reunited to their Bodies in the Resurrection . And , that in the mean while , they remain in a separated place , where they interiorly rejoyce , entertaining their thoughts with the fore-seen and fore-known perfect Beatiude and Adoption which is prepared for them . You see the Question cleerly and plainly propounded : You see wherein the Eastern and Western Churches agree , wherein they disagree : What ( after their frequent disputations ) was at last concluded ? Surely no other thing , then — The sacred Councill approving , We define , That the souls of them , who after Baptism received , have contracted no blemish at all of sin ; as also those souls , which after they have contracted the blemish of sin , are purged either in their Bodies , or being vncloathed of their said Bodies , are presently received into Heaven , and cleerly behold God himself in Trinity and Vnity , as he is . Behold a Categorical Definition , directly determining the proposed difficulty . The Question was , How many sorts of souls were admitted to the intuitive Vision of God before the general day of Judgment ? The Councill answers , Three Sorts : The first sort , such as after Baptism , contracted no sin . The second such as although they contracted sin , yet fully satisfied for them before their death by worthy fruits of Pennance . The third , such as contracted sin , and did not fully satisfie in this life , but were purged afterwards in Purgatory . Our Aversary dares not deny an admittance of the First and Second sort of Souls to the fruition of God presently , before the day of general Judgment . But he most inconsequently rejects the Third sort now in Question . For what an absurd Exposition of the Council would this be ? The souls of Just men having no sin at all , are received presently befor the day of general Judgment to the cleer Vision of God . In like manner the souls which have fully satisfied for their sins before their departure , are admitted presently before the day of Judgment to eternal Beatitude : the souls cleansed in Purgatory are admitted presently , that is , in the day of Judgment ? When as this Third Sort of Souls is contained in the same period , under the self same form of words . And ( which is to be taken special no●ice off ) the Particle Mox presently , wherein is the greatest force , is joyned onely to this Third sort of Souls , though it is also necessarily understood in the two former . Surely none of the Latins , none of the Greeks , did either question or controvert , Whether the Souls of Just men , or the Souls in Purgatory were admitted to eternal Beatitude in the Day of general Iudgment : But the sole difficulty was of the time preceding ; as manifestly appears by the Declaration of both Churches : and as concerning Purgatory , the difference between them was onely this ; That the Latins admitted the operation of a material Fire ; the Greeks a darksome place , but not Fire . Now for that the Adversary is pretended to be a Catholick , and acknowledges that he ought to submit himself , not onely to General Councils , but also to the Judgment of the Chief Pastor : Let him attentively read and consider the solemn Decree of Pope Benedict the xii . ( above related ) where he shall find his Assertion in most plain terms condemned : For by that Constitution he may easily perceive in what sense this particle Mox presently , inserted in the Florentin Council , is to be explicated , where the same matter , almost in the self-same words , is handled ; and where it most manifestly signifies immediately , and before the day of general Judgme●t . This Decree is extant in Sanderus ( de visibili Monarchia , ) and it is also mentioned in the 7th Tome of the Councils , in the life of the said Benedict , in these terms . — He defined , That the Souls of holy men , sufficiently expiated from their sins , were blessed , and enjoyed the cleer sight of God before the day of Iudgment . And he is there highly praised , as a vertuous man , and one perseverantly constant till his death in pious actions . What ( think you ) may we now judge of him , who calls the Definition of such a Pope , and of so great a Council , a new Doctrine , supported by no foundation , and opposite to the Churches practise ? D The Answer to the Precedent discourse , by one of Master Whites Scholers , now a very able Proficient in his School . SIr , I have perused your Papers , which truly , according to the Opinion ▪ That the Holy Ghosts assistance in Councils and Consistories , is without restriction or limitation , seems to me to evidence a deliverance of Souls out of Purgatory before the Day of Iudgment : But according to the Opinion , That the assistance of the Holy Ghost in Councils and Consistories , is no longer then there is a diligent search to find out what Christ taught , and his Apostles delivered as so taught , there appears onely , that the Council of Florence and Pope Benedict , did think or judge it to be so , which may raise opposition to a Disobedience , but not to an Heresie : For according to this later Opinion , that opposition , and no other is to be termed Heretical , that gain-says apparent Tradition . So that unless you shew that the Council of Florence and Pope Benedict determined conformably to Tradition , Mr. a a That is , Master Whites . Blacklowes calling the Doctrine and Practice new , will not savour the least of Heresie ; For certainly that Doctrine and Practice must be new , that took beginning after Christ and the Apostles . O! but where is this restriction ? In Christs own words , Docebit vos omnia quaecunque dixero vob●s , Not all truths , but such as I shall reveal to you . This restriction Vincentius Lirinensis understood , when he imputed the Erring of the Arim ▪ to their preferring their private reasonings before the proper rule and light , Tradition , appointed by Christ to steer by : and the concurrence of Divines seems general , holding that there is no new Revelation , that the Church onely declares matters of Faith , which supposes them delivered , not newly found out ; else she might make matters of Faith , and bring all Truths within the compass of Christianity ; whereas indeed Christianity can onely be a belief of those Truths Christ taught , whilest he was conversant amongst men . This puts all to a loss : For how shall it be known when Councils and Consistories apply themselves aright ? Easily , by examining Tradition of what you have seen and heard . This is the common light and plain way promised , to keep even fools from straying from Christs Doctrine . Neither is Mr. b b White . Blacklow taxable in point of Disobedience , he having submitted himself both to the Pope and Council . FINIS . The principal Errours . PAg. 70. line 4. leave very ill consequences behind it ▪ read , draw very ill consequences after it . p. 98. l. 11. I now draw , hopes , r. I now draw , is hoped . p. 150. l. 3. corporea , r. corporeae . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A59251e-230 Introduction . This is not well 〈◊〉 by T. W. See Consilium Authoris . a See ratio operis . Scito D●um naturae esse author●m . &c. Know God is the Author of Nature , and that he perfects and el●vates it by supernatural things ; not that he showrs into our souls a series of things of a different or unlike order or nature : Reason is Nature to us , and the perf●ction of Reason is demonstration . Do not then despair of demonstration from God . Page 3. Page 11 Page 31. Page 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 , 16. Peg. com . 21. * Sonus Buccinae , the Title of one of Mr. Whites Books . In Edic . consir . Conc. C●lc . act . 3. G●l . Pap. 1. ad Ep. Dar. miratisumus . Grat. cau . 24. q. 1. C. majores . Aug. Ser. 32. de verb . Apostoli . Aug. Ser. 41. de S. S. Hom. 16. de 50. Serm. 41. de S. S. Hom. 14. in Levit. lib. 8. in Ep. ad Rom. 11. Master Whites Name in his Instit. Sac. a See Institutiones Sacrae , in the beginning Ratio operis , where after a description of the Theology he delivers , Vide , &c. ( saith he to the Reader ) See what an execrable thing it is in such matters as these , after a proposition and a hope of Verity in them , to feed our hungry Souls with vain and lying trifles . Remember then thou art a man , born capable of truth , and that all these things are proposed to thee in a familiar language , that thou mightst understand and enjoy them . He who hopes this without Demonstration , goes about to delude himself and thee . They object the obscurity of Faith , and the inaccessible darkness of the Divinity to our Reason . But this hinders nothing ; for such Demonstrations may be given of the Mysteries , as is given of God himself , &c. Courage then , and dare thou to expect in Theology the full satiety of thy understanding : Seek in it certainty , and the evidence of Science and Demonstration . And in the same Institut . Sac. 2 Volume . lib. 3. Lect. 2. And since Grace is so implanted in Nature , that they draw each other with connected Members , and interlaced links : it is not to be doubted , but most of the Mysteries of Faith , may be Demonstratively known ; so that the Church now proceeding to the midday , they are to be Demonstrated . b See ibid : Ratio operis . Theology is planted in nature , Faith is delivered to us , in humane language . What more sublime things are disputed in Theology , then Father , Son , Generation , Spiration , Nature , Person ? &c. And yet we were taught all these things by Nature and Reason , even before Christ . But if these things now be rendered evident , there will nothing at all remain obscure . See more fully in the same Book , lib. 2. where all these things are pretended to be demonstrated , by the Principles of natural Reason . c See ibid. Ratio operis . A libertatis cavo sibil●t alter anguis : The other Snake hisses out of the Denn of Liberty . Where of these contingent Theological Truths , he largely promises demonstrations , and attempts is every where in his new Theology , where these mysteries are treated . d See ibid Ratio operis , Eadem Labyrintho , &c. In the same Labyrinth with Divinity , Phylosophy too , grew old . But Digby hath held forth his Torch : If now they dispair of it , is vanished : Dare , now greater things ; his foot-steps will lead thee to the fortress of Theology , &c. What then dost thou fear ? and trembling shunnest the Digbaean attempts ? If the things thou learnest are false , reason it self will teach thee so , if they are true , the happy success will now provoke thee glad ; if they are uncertain , dost thou loose any thing by seeking ; set then the right foot forward , and gratefully hold on that path , trodden by other mens labours . Exeg . on the Apocalyps . Sec. x● . a See Instit. Sac. Ratio operis . Expect that full Satiety or surfet of thy Vaderstanding in Theology . Inst. Sac. lib. 2 Lect. 1. Inst S. li . 3. lec . 2. & alibi . In the Letter of Vindication . Exeg . on the Apocalyps , sect. xi . a See Instit. Sac. Ratio operis . Sulcus quem duco , &c. The trench I now draw , hoped will serve to derive both truth , and certainty , in Theological matters . b See ibid. neque tamen sustinet haec aetas , &c. Nor does the present age sustain , that mention be made of demonstrations , or infallible decisions , ; that theology may be esteemed a science knit together , and woven with the connexion of consequences , or that it be believed to stand on other foundations , then a meer habnab medley of waxen words , or a certain juggling temerity of babling Crackers , without any sence or meaning ; ( under the sir-name of Phylosophy ) on either side of the contradiction . What further mischief can we expect ? or how long do we hinder Fire and Sword ? and adore this Idol of desolation in the Temple , &c. Exeg . on the Apacalyps . Sec. 14. Master Whites Prophesie of the happy state of the Church , and civil Governments guided by his demonstr●tive Religion . In R●sh●orths Dialogues , Dialog. 2. Instit. Sac. 1. 3. Lcct. xi . Inst. Sac. lib. 3 Lect. 9. Inst. Sac. lib. 3. Lect. 1. Concilium Provinciale Senonense Decreta fidei , cap. 12. Inst. Peri● . lib. 5. lec . 4.