An antidote against the venome of The snake in the grass, or, The book so stiled and the Christian people called Quakers vindicated from its most gross abuses and calumnies in certain reflections detecting the nameless author's malice, outrage, and persecution against the said people : unto which is annex'd a brief examination of the author's second book stil'd Satan dis-rob'd : also, some notice taken of his discourse for The divine institution of water-baptism. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1697 Approx. 383 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 145 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2005-10 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A65834 Wing W1889 ESTC R27066 09638516 ocm 09638516 43872 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A65834) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 43872) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 1346:5) An antidote against the venome of The snake in the grass, or, The book so stiled and the Christian people called Quakers vindicated from its most gross abuses and calumnies in certain reflections detecting the nameless author's malice, outrage, and persecution against the said people : unto which is annex'd a brief examination of the author's second book stil'd Satan dis-rob'd : also, some notice taken of his discourse for The divine institution of water-baptism. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. [2], xi, 268, [4] p. Printed for Tho. Northcott, London : 1697. "Impartial reader" signed: G.W. and signed on p. 185, George Whitehead. Reproduction of original in the Union Theological Seminary Library, New York. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. EEBO-TCP is a partnership between the Universities of Michigan and Oxford and the publisher ProQuest to create accurately transcribed and encoded texts based on the image sets published by ProQuest via their Early English Books Online (EEBO) database (http://eebo.chadwyck.com). The general aim of EEBO-TCP is to encode one copy (usually the first edition) of every monographic English-language title published between 1473 and 1700 available in EEBO. EEBO-TCP aimed to produce large quantities of textual data within the usual project restraints of time and funding, and therefore chose to create diplomatic transcriptions (as opposed to critical editions) with light-touch, mainly structural encoding based on the Text Encoding Initiative (http://www.tei-c.org). The EEBO-TCP project was divided into two phases. The 25,363 texts created during Phase 1 of the project have been released into the public domain as of 1 January 2015. Anyone can now take and use these texts for their own purposes, but we respectfully request that due credit and attribution is given to their original source. Users should be aware of the process of creating the TCP texts, and therefore of any assumptions that can be made about the data. Text selection was based on the New Cambridge Bibliography of English Literature (NCBEL). If an author (or for an anonymous work, the title) appears in NCBEL, then their works are eligible for inclusion. Selection was intended to range over a wide variety of subject areas, to reflect the true nature of the print record of the period. In general, first editions of a works in English were prioritized, although there are a number of works in other languages, notably Latin and Welsh, included and sometimes a second or later edition of a work was chosen if there was a compelling reason to do so. Image sets were sent to external keying companies for transcription and basic encoding. Quality assurance was then carried out by editorial teams in Oxford and Michigan. 5% (or 5 pages, whichever is the greater) of each text was proofread for accuracy and those which did not meet QA standards were returned to the keyers to be redone. After proofreading, the encoding was enhanced and/or corrected and characters marked as illegible were corrected where possible up to a limit of 100 instances per text. Any remaining illegibles were encoded as s. Understanding these processes should make clear that, while the overall quality of TCP data is very good, some errors will remain and some readable characters will be marked as illegible. Users should bear in mind that in all likelihood such instances will never have been looked at by a TCP editor. The texts were encoded and linked to page images in accordance with level 4 of the TEI in Libraries guidelines. Copies of the texts have been issued variously as SGML (TCP schema; ASCII text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable XML (TCP schema; characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless XML (TEI P5, characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or TEI g elements). Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Leslie, Charles, 1650-1722. -- Snake in the grass. Society of Friends -- Apologetic works. 2004-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-11 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-01 Jonathan Blaney Sampled and proofread 2005-01 Jonathan Blaney Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-04 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion AN ANTIDOTE AGAINST THE VENOME OF The Snake in the Grass : Or , the Book so stiled . AND THE Christian People CALLED QUAKERS Vindicated from its most gross Abuses and Calumnies . In certain Reflections , detecting the nameless Author's Malice , Outrage and Persecution against the said People . Unto which is Annex'd , A brief Examination of the Author's second Book , stil'd , Satan Dis-rob'd . Also , Some Notice taken of his Discourse for the Divine Institution of Water-Baptism . Psal. 83. 3. They devise deceitful Matters against them that are quiet in the Land. London : Printed for Tho. Northcott , in George-yard in Lombard-street . 1697. THE BOOKSELLER TO THE READER . Friendly Reader , THE so long delay of this Answer to The Snake in the Grass , has been chiefly the Printers occasion , and partly to have some Answer to his latter Book , still'd , Satan Disrob'd . So , Reader , that thou may'st be preserved from the Venom of this Snake , in all his twistings and twinings , is the desire of him , who wisheth the Well-fare of all Men. T. N. ERRATA . PAge 37. l. 13. r. Persecutors l. 38. dele as p. 56. l. 6. r. Kingdoms , p. 81. l. 1. r. Prosecution , p. 166. l. 30. for them in r. in them , p. 167. l. 12. for reprobachs r. reproaches , p. 200. l. 25. r. universally , p. 204. l. 7. r. who rendred , p. 232. l. 4. r. of Sin and Death , l. 5. r. of Life , p. 235. l. 13. d. 60. Some litteral Faults and Points mis-placed , may be understood by the sense of the matters . Impartial Reader , AFter the perusal of the said Snake in the Grass , seeing the gross and absurd Aspersions , Calumnies , Perversions and scornful Stuff therein Contained , and the great Malice of the nameless Author's Spirit against the People called Quakers ; It was slighted by us and laid aside for some Months , being stuft with many lying and incredible Stories , as scarce deserving any particular Answer , except the notice of some few to discredit the Author and invalidate his fruitless attempts of his foul Envy and Falshood : But some indifferent Persons being urgent for an Answer , and the said Book being rendred as an unanswerable Piece , by some too easily imposed upon , and others in prejudice gave occasion for the insuing Reflections to be Exhibited , in order to obviate the injurious Design of the Author and his Abettors ( i.e. ) some wrathful , implacable and perfidious Apostates , who are of those Cattle he has principally Plowed withal , and from whom he has chiefly derived his unjust Authority to Defame and Scandalize the said People , with those old , false and refuted Aspersions and Slanders , as Possessed with the Devil , Enthusiastick Madness , Blasphemy , Heresie , denying the true Christ and his holy Humanity or Manhood , real Sufferings and Satisfaction , and the Resurrection , and Contemning the Holy Scriptures , Doctrins and Precepts therein contained , with abundance more of such like Calumnies and Slanders , Abuses and Perversions ( of our Words and Doctrins ) frequently answered and refuted by divers of us in our former and latter Books . And now because of our present Ease and Liberty , which Mercy our Gracious God hath influenced the present Government to afford us , from our late grievous and destructive Persecutions , ( for which Liberty we are truly thankful . ) For this Cause the Devil and his Agents appear the more enraged and to have exceeding great Wrath against the remnant of the true Seed , and to combine together to persecute us , with their most shameful Reproaches , Abuses , Lyes and Slanders , which is the present Persecution we are under . When the Devil was suffered to imploy his Agents to Oppress and Persecute us in our Persons and Estates , by severe Imprisonments and spoil of Goods , tending to Ruin us and our Families , then the Pens of his Clerks and Ministers were quiet towards us : But seeing his and their wicked ends by that kind of open and cruel Persecution could not be accomplished upon us ; now they bend their perverse Studies and Pens to persecute us with shameful Reproach and Blasphemy , to Destroy and Murther our Reputations both as Men and Christians , not sparing either the Living or the Dead . The Lord our God will rebuke their Fury and Outrage , and confound their mischievous Devices and Confederacies ; even the just and righteous God ( who by his power supported us under our deepest Sufferings and Persecutions , and gave us Faith and Courage then to Face the severest Storms and Blustering Winds which rose up against us for our Christian Testimony and Assemblies ) he hath enabled and will enable us to face and outface this Storm of envious and outragious Persecution of our open and secret Enemies . And 't is no small shame and disparagement for such Eminent Church of England Men ( as the Author of the Snake in the Grass would seem one of them ) to be beholding to pretended Quakers , such as , George Keith and Thomas Crisp , for their Aid or Authority against us ; and to F. Bugg's Authority also , who has been detected of numerous Falshoods against us , since he left us , and turned to the Priests and to the Publick ( as he calls it ) and the said George Keith contrary to his many and frequent Vindications of the People called Quakers and their Principles , and above thirty Years Conversation among them , now turned an open Adversary to Revile and Reproach them , and yet a falsly pretended Quaker , as if he would ingratiate himself into favour with the worst of our Enemies ; the Day will yet further discover him and them . I confess , where Persons of a contrary Judgment to us , appear moderate and civil in their Discourse and Treatment , in things wherein they differ from us , they deserve to be gently and tenderly Answered and Treated ; and if such suppose me mistaken in any thing or circumstance of words , ( from which I intend not altogether to excuse my self in all Controversies from my young and early Years , and yet be assured by the Spirit of Truth in matters Essential to Salvation ) I would take kindly their civil and friendly Discovery thereof to me , being desirous that the Truth may be exalted above all Self-reputation . But when I find Persons like this Author of The Snake in the Grass , maliciously set in a persecuting Spirit , to defame and reproach Truth and our Christian Society , which I am concerned in Conscience for . I confess then , a holy Zeal the Lord raises , and has raised in my very Heart and Soul , against such bitter Implacable and Persecuting Spirits . And the Lord's Power I have felt , and do still feel it to accompany and inable me in Defence of his blessed Truth and People . And inasmuch as the said Author of The Snake in the Grass , is so very liberal in his most odious Characters upon us , and has so frequently Branded us , even divers Persons by Name with Blasphemies and Heresies , &c. who have been , and are known to be Persons of good Reputation , both as Men and Christians in Life and Conversation : 'T is pity but this Defaming Author , should be publickly exposed by Name for his Folly and outrage , especially if he persists in his Scorn and envious injurious attempts against us , that he may not be suffered to sculk and hide himself like a Snake under Grass . And as to the seven Queries , which he upbraids us with , reproaching us , As puting them all off with one general Answer , &c. as a trick and deceit of ours , to hide and cover our monstrous Heresies , and a full confession of our Heresies , Pref. p. 350. Which being monstrous Calumnies , and from which our general Answer to the unprejudiced , clears us , though we expected it would meet with such ill Treatment and Mis-construction , as it hath from G. K. and this Author ; therefore thought meet to publish the said Answer herewith , for the information of others more Charitable and Impartial , than this our present Accuser and unjust Judge . The said Queries appear to be of so little weight , and some of them so indirect and in unscriptural Terms , and perversly designed for cavil , that I do not think they deserve to be reprinted here . The following Answer being positive , plain and scriptural , as well as comprehensive , of what 's necessary to be said to the matters chiefly Questioned . And tho' I have long had a more particular Answer to the said Queries ready , I do not think my self obliged at present , to gratifie such imperious arbitrary Inquisitors as our present Adversaries with the publication thereof ; but rather for farther information in these matters chiefly Queried , refer them and others , to these our Books , viz. First , A Testimony of what we believe of Christ , both as he was God and Man , &c. By G. F. Printed , Anno 1677. And , Secondly , The Christian Doctrin and Society of the People called Quakers , &c. And , Thirdly , The Harmony of the Old and New Testament , concerning our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ , &c. With many more ancient Books , whereby it may appear , that we were not to seek our Faith , concerning Jesus and the Resurrection , before the said Queries came to our hands . G. W. Lon. 3d day 4th Month call'd June , 1695. Friend William Lancaster , HAving received a Paper of great Objections against us , the People called Quakers , with seven Queries therein , subscribed William Lancaster , directed to our Yearly Meeting in Whitson-week , 1695. and delivered to some of us very near the conclusion thereof , and therefore only read in the said Meeting , with not having any further time to consider the Contents thereof , or to give any particular answer thereunto : It was by the said Meeting left to a few to consider and answer , as in the Fear of God and Meekness of Wisdom we should see Cause . Wherein we observe is noted , great Objections have been made against us , by those who have departed from our Communion as by others . To which we reply , that 't is true , and they have been answer'd , to which we refer . And we observe in the said Paper it s said , We would not take an account of you only from your Adversaries , &c. And we have chosen this solemn Time. And again , And we have chosen this most proper and convenient Opportunity , &c. And then states the several Queries , and says , the Questions may be proposed , and their Answer demanded . Now the Objections having been publick , and our Answers publick , we desire to know , who the We are , that are intended in this Paper , that we may apply our selves to them , or give such Scriptural Answers , as we hope may tend to satisfaction . But to repeat Answers in writing or print to we know not who , so often as demanded , to the same things already answer'd , We think it not needful . Therefore have herewith only sent thee a few brief Lines , being grosly Wronged and Misrepresented in the said Objections , and divers of the Queries contain several Questions in them , in different Terms ( and some Vnscriptural ) so not plain and direct Queries , therefore cannot positively be answer'd by our simple YEA or NAY , to each Query as designed . We therefore at present send this general Answer to the Queries for thy information as follows , viz. We sincerely believe and profess Jesus Christ and the Resurrection according to the Holy Scripture Testimony , and to that measure of Vnderstanding which God hath been pleased to give us by his Holy Spirit . We sincerely believe in Jesus Christ , the only begotten Son of the living God , both as he is true God , and perfect Man ; our Emanuel and Mediator and as in the fulness of Time , he was Conceiv'd by the Holy Ghost , Born of the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judea ; Suffer'd under Pontius Pilate , was Crucified and put to Death ; was Buried , rose again the third Day , and visibly Ascended into Heaven , and was received into Glory ; and that this same Jesus Christ that was Crucified , shall so in like manner come ( as he was seen to go into Heaven ) in Power and great Glory to Judge both the Living and the Dead , according to their Works at the last and great Day of Judgment , in that great Harvest which is the End of the World. And that by Jesus Christ there shall be a Resurrection of the Dead , both of the Just and Vnjust unto the righteous Judgment of the great Day ; consequently , that the Resurrection is not past , as Hymeneus and Philetus said , 2 Tim. 2. 18. And that the Dead shall be raised incorruptible , Every Man in his own order , and that our low Body shall be changed , and made like unto Christ's glorious Body : The Resurrection of the Bodies of the Saints ( We Believe ) shall be Spiritual and Glorious , and that the Sons of God , and of the Resurrection shall be equal with the Angels of God in Heaven , and shine as the Sun in the Kingdom of their Father ; and yet there is such a great Mystery in the Resurrection , as that Flesh and Blood cannot Inherit the Kingdom of God , neither doth Corruption inherit Incorruption , 1 Cor. 15. The whole Sacrifice of Christ ( whereof his Blood outwardly that was shed was a part ) was of great Price with God for Mans Redemption : Christ's Blood that was shed without the Gates of Jerusalem , together with the whole Sacrifice himself both of Soul and Body , was a true Propitiation and Attonement for Mans reconciliation and peace with God for remission of Sins , through a living Faith , and true Repentance ( in his Name ) given and wrought by his Spirit and Word of Power in Mens Hearts ; whose sincere obedience to Christ , and Walking in his Light , being required of them , in order to experience Christ the Author of their eternal Salvation , and to wash them from their Sins in his own Blood. For without this true Faith , Repentance and Obedience to Christ Jesus , Men lose and forfeit the great Benefit of Christs Sufferings , and deprive themselves of the Eternal Redemption and Salvation , which he hath hereby obtain'd for us . Tho' he dyed for all Men , tasted death for every Man , and gave himself a Ransom for all , to be testified of in due time , being a true Propitiation for the Sins of the World. From thy Friends and Well-wishers , John Gratton . Samuell Wattson . Thomas Lower . James Parke . John Bowater . George Witehead . John Vaughton . AN ANTIDOTE AGAINST THE VENOME OF The Snake in the Grass : BEING A Sober Caution against the great Malice and gross Abuses of the Book so stiled ; and the People call'd QUAKERS defended from the same . SEeing the nameless Author gives his Book the Title of The Snake in the Grass ; or , Satan transform'd into an Angel of Light ; which Character he intends for the principal Leaders of those People called Quakers . It may be observed ( by the way ) what other Characters , Charges and Languages he gives the said People , and treats them with all in his said Book , viz. Preface , p. 7 , 8 , 9 , 17. False Prophets , mad Enthusiasm , obstinate Quakers , their Rage , their Folly , rank wild Blasphemy , proud blasphemous Spirit , black-Mouth'd hellish Venom , Coujurers , Witchcraft and Conjuration ; p. 19. whatever the Power of the Devil may be in such cases , &c. There never were more visible and dreadful Effects of it , no not in any possess'd Men mentioned in the Gospel , than has been among the Quakers , p. 21. even as declared and witnessed by themselves , and that not only as to the strange and preternatural Distortions , Quaking and Shaking of their Bodies , past the Power of any to counterfeit or to act it by their natural Strength , but what is much more horrible and exceeding all other Witchcrafts and Possessions of the Devil , that were ever heard of before ; these possess'd Quakers do impiously blaspheme and call themselves Christ ; and some of them have imitated his Passion , Death and Resurrection , madly in themselves . We may hence observe , First , the Authors most unjust and falsly reflecting these black Characters and Charges upon the Quakers . Secondly , How he shews Satan transform'd into an Angel of Light : When and where did he ever see or read of an Angel of Light , thus to appear , like a mad Man , a Witch , a Devil , a Blasphemer ? What horrid Madness , Blasphemy and Self-contradiction , does the Devil and Malice precipitate , such furious foul-Mouth'd persecuting Agents into , at unawares ? Thirdly , But if the Quakers were such Madmen , and possess'd with the Devil as he represents them , how well has the Man spent his time , in bestowing his Wit , Drollery and Raillery ( instead of Compassion ) on such Madmen , whose case ( if such ) were to be lamented , rather than derided ? Fourthly , For this great Madness and being possessed with the Devil , as 't is cast upon the Quakers . His instance ( of John Gilpin in 1653. James Milner and John Toldervy ) p. 22 , 23 , 24 , 30 , 34. can only prove himself impertinently malicious , and can no more affect the People called Quakers , nor be any more valid Argument to prove them Mad-men and Blasphemers , ( since they have long since testified against the madness of those Persons he mentions ) than if one should argue against the Church and Clergy of England , thus , viz. That because many of their Members have run Mad and been put into Bedlam , therefore the Church and Clergy of England are all Mad , and must be turned into Bedlam ( if they had one big enough : ) And many such other absurd Arguments and Consequences might be retalliated upon this Snake in the Grass , if from a Particular to a General , shall be admitted as a sound way of Arguing , which no rational Man will allow . Fifthly , His Instance ( against the Quakers ) of James Nayler's failure , and suffering a few mad Women to sing Hosanna to him . This is as unjustly as maliciously remembred and cast upon us , seeing that Madness was condemned and testified against by the People called Quakers . And the Lord , in mercy , made James Nayler himself sensible of the great Temptation and Cloud , he was , for a time , fallen under ; insomuch , that he not only gave out a publick Testimony of his Condition , and of the Lord 's dealing with him , which was in Judgment and Mercy , and publickly exposed under the Title of James Nayler's Recantation ; but also some are yet alive that were both Eye-witnesses of his many Tears and deep Humiliation , besides his great suffering in Person by the then Government , who being restored into his right Understanding and Sense of the Love and Mercy of God in Christ , sometime after innocently ended his Days in Peace . And therefore it shews , the more implacable Malice and horrid Injustice , to reproach us with any personal failing of his or any other . And not only so , but to reflect personal Miscarriages upon our Principles : As where he thus unjustly infers , viz. So very susceptible do the Quakers Principles make Men , of the wild Impressions of Enthusiasm , p. 35. So that by this Inference , all Gilpins , Milners and Toldervy's strange Whimsies , lying Imaginations and Madness , are unjustly and blasphemously father'd upon the Quakers Principles , viz. The Light within , Revelation , the Infalibility , p. 35. ( which we intend of the Holy Spirit 's Teaching ) and no other . 6. P. 37. As for Quaking and Trembling so much derided ; how proves he that this proceeds from Delusion and Diabollical Possession , p. 44. and not from the Word and Power of God , at which many good Men , both of Prophets , Apostles and Primitive Christians , have trembled ? And also by the same Power , both wicked Men and Devils , have been , and shall be made to Fear , Tremble and Quake . 7. As to such strange , preternatural Distortions he talks of , where did he see them among the Quakers ? We know not ; unless some have been taken therewith , in some Convulsion-Fits ; which are common to some Persons among divers sorts of People ; or , when by the Power of our Lord Jesus Christ , some evil Spirit has been about to be cast out . 8. And how he can discern and judge all outward Quaking and Trembling , which he derides , to proceed from a being inwardly possess'd with the Devil ; and not from the influence and opperation of the Power of Christ , we cannot understand , unless contrary to his Opinion against Infalibility , he proves his Judgment and Discerning Infallible , and that even in the Tryal of Spirits ; wherein we cannot esteem him such a spiritual Man of Discerning , as judgeth all things . P. 34. Again from his dark Stories of Gilpin , Milner , Toldervy , &c. as in an high degree possess'd with the Devil . He farther infers , That there have not been among so many of all Mankind such a number ( a gross Lie ) as of these Quakers that have run quite Mad , for their Principle is little short of Madness . The Principles he presently mentions , p. 35. Is that of expecting Revelations , and of the Light within . But granting that some pretending to Divine Inspiration of the Holy Spirit , Revelations and Light within , and from thence Infallibility in Matters of Salvation to proceed , and yet some such have failed and run into Imagination and Delusion . Is this any good Argument against the Principle it self ? If not , this Opposer's Work is only to rake up and set forth Personal Failings , which can no ways destroy good Principles , from whence there have been many Revolters and Backsliders , both in the Days of the Prophets , Apostles and Ours ; and some because when they knew God , glorified him not as God , became vain in their Imaginations , and their foolish Hearts thereby darkned ; others begun in the Spirit , yet would end the Flesh. But where 's his Catalogue to prove a greater number of Quakers have run quite mad , than among so many of all Mankind ? Let him produce it if he can . Now 't is observable , That our Principle of Divine Inspiration , Light within , the Gift of the Holy Ghost , the Work and Ministry thereof , are plainly confest unto by this Author of The Snake in the Grass ; as That the Doctrin of the Church of England allows the same , namely , as constantly teaching that all saving Graces are wrought in our Hearts by the Inspiration of the Holy Ghost , and that this Inspiration is as necessary to our fructifying or bringing forth good Works , as the Influence of the Sun is to the Earth's bringing ing forth of her Fruits , p. 46 , 47. Further discovering , That they do not only Teach , but also Pray for , and Sing for God's holy Inspiration of the Holy Ghost , and plead for the necessity of Divine Inspiration , Light within , &c. from page 46 to page 53. And that according to their Homilies and Liturgy , p. 54 , 55 , 56. He also , instead of confuting the Principle , or proving us all Madmen that profess Divine Inspiration , tells us , What sort of Enthusiasm or Inspiration is allowed and own'd in the Church ; and that 't is full as much as any sober Quaker can mean by the Light within , and that it is made necessary to every good Work. And we are directed to it , to follow and be guided by it ; and are assured , that it will lead us to all Truth that is requisite and necessary for our eternal Salvation ; it is this that opens the Scriptures to us and our Vnderstandings , rightly to apprehend the true Sense and Meaning of them , and which inclines our Will to love , and duly to follow the divine Precepts therein contained . If any Quaker ( as I am confident all that are , in the least , sober-minded ) will say , That this is all they mean by their Light within ; then where is the difference ? Why do they break off and separate from our Communion upon the pretence of the Light within , wherein we agree with them ? pag. 55 , 56 , 57. Thus far , his Confession to the Principle , wherein he is more Ingenuous than in his bitter reproachful Language and foul Raillery against us , which he somewhat minceth , yet confesseth , He is forced to a little Raillery now and then . Second Part , pag. 12. The greater shame for him , thus to manifest himself an open Railer and Reviler about religious Controversies : But seeing he has so largely confess'd and vindicated the Church of England's allowing Preaching and Praying for the Inspiration of the Holy Ghost , and agreeing with the Quakers about the Light within , &c. how trifling and fruitless are his Attempts to vilifie and make them odious ? as Madmen , Possest with the Devil , Enthusiastick , Madness , &c. from the Personal Miscarriages of some Distracted or Whimsical , or Mad , or loose extravagant Persons . How many of his own Church have run mad ? How many Debauched and Wicked , both of the Clergy and others ? Would he take it well to have a large Catalogue , or Book , writ thereof , as the Cobler of Gloucester and others have done , to shew the Contempt of the Clergy , and then upbraid their whole Communion or Society , yea , and their Principles also , therewith ? Surely no , this he would deem very unjust . Then let him peruse his own Work , and better consider the Nature and Tendency thereof , together with the bitter Invectives therein , tending to raise a new Persecution ; which shews not a Christian Spirit or Charity in him or his Abettors , Apostates from us , or others , whose Help ( by divers of of his silly dirty Stories ) he appears to have had . A Catalogue of some of the great Mistakes , Abuses and Calumnies , in the Book sliled , The Snake in the Grass ; with brief Reflections thereupon . THat G. Fox's chief Principle was at first to direct Men to the inward Anointing , and that they needed no Man to teach them , but as the Anointing teacheth them , and that God is come to Teach his People himself ; but that he would not trust to this , for that he went about Teaching outwardly , and has erected an outward Church-Discipline and Authority to over-rule the Anointing , &c. They keep up outward Ministry and Preaching , which are more inconsistant with their Principle of reducing all to the Inward , and waiting for the Lord in silence within . Reflection . Here are 3 Falshoods contained in this Calumnious Charge . As 1. That G. F. would not trust to this Anointing . 2. Church-Discipline to over-rule the same . 3. Keeping up an outward Ministry and Preaching as inconsistant therewith . These are both false and apparent Perversions , reflecting also upon the Holy Apostles and their Ministry , preaching and writing Epistles and Instructions to the Churches , relating to both Church Order and Discipline , and yet directed and referred them to the same Divine Unction ( received from the Holy One ) the Holy Spirit , the Word of Faith and Grace of God within them . Therefore Ministry and Instructions to good Order and Discipline , were not to over-rule the inward Anointing , but ( as proceeding from the same ) to help strengthen and confirm them in it ; for if the Doctrin of the Church of England be so much for the Inspiration of the Holy Ghost , the Light within , &c. as he confessed , what then is their Ministry and Discipline to over-rule the same ? How will he reconcile himself to his condemning us in this Case ? Sn. p. 95 , 96. These two Madmen , Fox and Muggleton , both their Inspirations came from the same Author , the Father of Lies , who in that Hurricane of Schism and Rebellion , got an Act of Parliament for Tolleration and Liberty of Conscience to sow his Tares at Noon-day . Ref. The first part is a gross Calumny against G. F. whose divine Inspiration and found Testimony , given him of God , was evident against Muggleton's dark Spirit , presumptuous and blasphemious Doctrine 2. The latter part is a bold Calumny and Reflection upon the Parliament , and Act thereof , for Tolleration and Liberty of Conscience , as if the Devil , the Father of Lies , did influence the Parliament to make the said Act , which is a most presumptuous and audacious Aspersion . We know no other Act of Parliament obtained for Tolleration and Liberty of Conscience , but the Act of Exemption , made in the First Year of King William and Queen Mary ; and which was made for no such end , as for the Devil to sow his Tares , but for the Ease and Liberty of tender Consciences , from the Devil 's envious Work of Persecution , God having so order'd it , that the Seed of Christ's Kingdom , his Word and Gospel , may have Liberty , and be sown the more plentifully : But it appears our present Liberty is greatly envied , by this persecuting Author , and such scandalous Libellers . Sn. p. 104. That one of the Orders given forth by their Yearly Meeting , 1693. commands , That none shall carry Guns in their Ships ▪ Ref. This also is untrue : We know no such Commands given forth by our Yearly Meeting , but only a tender Caution to such that have acted contrary to their former Principle and Practice , to the injuring of their own Souls , and endangering their own and other Lives , &c. As touching some Ship-masters , esteemed Quakers , carrying Guns in their Ships mentioned in the said Meeting , 1693. our Christian Principle and Innocency is cleared , in the Epistle , in these Words , viz. Dear Friends , YOU very well know our Christian Principle and Profession in this Matter , both with respect to God and Caesar , and that because we are Subjects of Christ's Kingdom , which is not of this World , we cannot Fight , John 18. 36. yet being Subjects of Caesar's Kingdom , we pay our Taxes , Tribute , &c. according to the Example of Christ and his Holy Apostles relating to Christ's Kingdom and Caesar's , wherein we are careful not to offend , Mat. 17. 27. & 22. 20 , Rom. 13. 6 , 7. being also very glad and much satisfied in the many Testimonies given at the Meeting of our Friend's Innocency , quiet and peaceable Behaviour , under the outward Government , as becomes our Christian Principle and Profession . Sn. p. 115. Whatever a Quaker dictates , if it were to depose the King and set up their Vniversal Monarch , and to assert , by Arms , their own Heirship to the uttermost parts of the Earth , if they should abrogate any or all of our Laws , or any thing else whatever their Arbitrary Enthusiastical Spirit shall suggest to them , this must not be looked upon as any thing that is human , but as the very Words of God , &c. Ref. These are very bitter , invidious and calumnious Suggestions , and cruel Jealousies of a high Nature , as if this poor Libeller eagerly thirsted after our Blood : But the Matters thus suggested are so gross , that we need say little to them , but commit our innocent Cause to him that judgeth righteously , and bless his Name we converse with no such Spirit as would suggest or excite to any such pernicious , wicked hurtful or treasonable Things or Actions as here suggested against us , as our peaceable Conversation , ever since we were a People , hath demonstrated . Sn. p. 122. That in the Answer to F. Bugg's Impeachment , they ( i.e. the Quakers ) would persuade us , That all they have said against the Payment of Tithes , was only meant by them to the Popish Clergy , but by no means against the Right of the Church of England to their Tythes , &c. Ref. This is partially and wrongfully stated . Our Answer to F. Bugg plainly shews our conscientious Dissatisfaction with Tithes in general , and the forcing thereof now in this Gospel-day by any Clergy whatsoever , as not consistent with the practice of Christ's . Ministers or Testimony of divers Martyrs , who not only testified against the Popish Clergy forcing the Payment of Tithes , but also against Tithes ( and Temporalities ) themselves , and against the secular Power 's imposing or forcing them , Tithes being abolished under the New Covenant and by Christ's new Law. See William Thorp's Discourse , at large , on this Subject , 1. vol. of Martyrs , fol. 700 , 708. in King Henry IV. his Reign , Old Impression . Sn. p. 133. Their Principles destructive to all Government , &c. Ref. This is a general , very gross and invidious Aspersion . Our Principles are Christian and peaceable , and our Conversation among Men and toward the Civil Government , is and hath been a manifest Indication thereof , as well as our publick and frequent Testimonies and Prayers to Almighty God for Rulers and People ; and when any of us have testified against the abuse of Government and corruption of Governors , and against them for the same , this could not be destructive of any just or good Government . Sn. Highly asserting Tithe , or the Tenth part to be of divine Right , viz. As God's Tribute , God's Tithe due to the Evangelical Priesthood , to that Order of Priesthood after the Order of Melchisedeck , as a Tribute to God , a part of God's Worship peculiar to God , Tithes of God , and to confirm his Jure Divino Claim of Tithes , p. 175 , 176. That several Kings of England , who had then the sole Right and Property in all the Lands of England , have anew dedicated by particular Vows , as Jacob , ( Gen. 28. 22. ) all the whole Tithes of the Lands of England to God ; and signed Charters and Grants of the same tendered upon their Knees at the Altar of God , in presence , and with the approbation of the Lords and Estates of the Land , with heavy Curses and Imprecations upon themselves , or any of their Successors , who should recal the same or incroach in any part upon the said Tithe of God , and upon all who should receive such Grants from them or assist them in such Sacriledge , and the same have been confirmed by several Acts of Parliament . And he further adds , That to maintain the Sacrilegious Impropriations which the Pope had made of the Secular Clergy to indow their Monasteries , which Henry VIII . instead of restoring , did yet more sacrilegiously impropriate to the Laity , p. 164 , 165 , 169 , 170 , 171 , 173 , 175 , 176 , 177 , to p. 189. Ref. Pray observe the nature and import of these Passages , as they are thus truly collected ; how like a dutiful Son of the Mother Church ( as that of Rome is called ) this Man looks ? How strenuously he argues for the divine Right of Tithes , and how he would renew the sense of the heavy Curses of Popish Kings denounced upon themselves or any of their Successors , who should either recal the same or incroach , in any part , upon the Tithes , and upon all Assisters in such Sacriledge ( as he calls it ? ) But it seems King Henry VIII . would not be bound by any of the said Curses , no more than by the Pope's Supremacy . I think the Man has out-done the Rhemists and other Jesuits and Popish Priests in these Aggravations , to fasten the said Curses not only on Henry VIII . but upon all the Impropriators and Receivers of such Grants , as aforesaid ; though the Rhemists and he agree as to Tithes , being Jure Divino , as in their Annotations on Heb 7. They say , That the Payment of Tithes is a natural Duty that Men owe to God in all Laws , and to be given to his Priests , in his behalf , for their Honour and Livelihood ; and that Jacob promised or vowed to pay them , Gen. 28. And that Abraham specially giving them to Melchisedeck , plainly thereby approveth them , or their equivalent to be due to Christ and the Priesthood of the New Testament , much more than either in the Law of Moses or in the Law of Nature , and for Tithes due to the Clergy of Christ's Church , &c. See now how exactly this Churchman and these Rhemists agree in this point of Tithe . But that the Reformed Protestants , and divers eminent Protestant Martyrs , were of the contrary Judgment concerning Tithes ; hear First , what Dr. Fulk saith in Answer and Opposition to the Rhemist recited Annotation on Heb 7. viz. The Payment of Tithes as it was a Ceremonial Duty is abrogated , with other Ceremonies , by the Death of Christ ; but as it is a necessary Maintenance and Livelihood to them that serve in the Church , it may be retained , or any other Stipend appointed that may be sufficient for their Maintenance , be it more or less than the Tenth part . But that there is any sacrificing Priesthood to whom it is due in the New Testament , the old Payment of Tithes doth not prove ; neither did Christ himself , our High-Priest , ever make claim unto them ; nor his Apostles the Ministers of the Church ; but only a sufficient Living by the Gospel , to be allowed of their temporal Goods , to whom they ministred spiritual Goods , 1 Cor. 9. 14. Gal. 6. 6. From all which 't is evident , First , That the Protestants in those Days did not esteem Tithes of divine Right for Gospel Ministers , but abrogated by the Death of Christ , but indefinitely allowed a sufficient Maintenance for them , without restricting it to the Tenth . Secondly , Divers eminent Martyrs and others , who were both Persons of Piety and good Fame , are more full and plain in this Point against Tithes in the Gospel-day and times ; as John Wickliff , VVilliam Swinderby , VValter Brute , VVilliam Thorp , the Bohemians , with other Christians mentioned in the Book of Martyrs , did bear Testimony against Tithes and compell'd Maintenance by the civil Authority . This of their opposing Tithes was made a principal Article against them by the Popish Bishops and Clergy ; as more largely and particularly appears in the 1st vol. of Martyrs , in the Reigns of Richard II. Henry IV. and Henry V. And tho' with those Christian Martyrs and first reformed Protestants , we are persuaded , That Jesus Christ by his Suffering and Death hath abrogated Tithes , and the Law that required them according to Heb. 7. and that his Ministry ought to be free and without any forced Maintenance , yet 't is not our Business now strictly to dispute the Merits of that Case of Tithes , being fully opened by other Hands ; as Fra. Howgill in his Great Case of Tithes , and Tho. Ellwood in his Foundation of Tithes shaken , and R. Richardson's Testimony against Tithing among Christians ; ( with divers others ) to which we refer the Reader . And to shew how much this Adversary resembles a Son of the old pretended Mother Church , in his Contempt and Scorn against some of the Protestant Reformers , particularly against VVilliam Thorp , p. 169. for esteeming their Priests ( or Gospel Ministers ) not to come of the Lineage of Levi , but of Judah ; which can intend no other , but as they come of Christ who came of the Tribe of Judah , and not of Levi ; for this William Thorp is derided , as shewing what a doughty Clerk he was : And with Fulsom Stuff , p. 170. our Adversaries saying , Who told Thorp , or the Quakers , that our Priests came of the Lineage of Judah ? Are they Jews ? What fulsom Stuff is this ? ( quoth he ) . No doubt William Thorp meant the true Priesthood of Christ descended spiritually of his Line , and not naturally : And does not Jo. Fox call him A valiant Warrier under the triumphant Banner of Christ ; and commend him , as that the Might , Spirit and Grace of God , to a marvel , appeared in him . But this Popish Agent , ironically renders him a doughty Clerk , a fulsom Writer . What fulsom , popish Stuff is this ? Sn. p. 194. Traiterous Principles and Actions charged against the Quakers from 1650 , to 1660. as also Blasphemies and Treasons , Blasphemers and Traitors , p. 196 , 197 , 198. Ref. We need but answer these with Negation and Detestation , as being most foul Raileries proceeding from a Spirit of Persecution and deadly Malice , which the righteous Lord will rebuke ; but has he not heard of some of the Clergy , who have lately absolved Persons condemned of High Treason ? His quoting Bugg's Authority for these black Charges , p. 199. shews his partial Credulity in not taking notice of our Answers to him . As also our Answer to John Pennyman on the like Passages , Entituled , Christ's Lambs defended from Satan's Rage . Sn. p. 199. He chargeth G. Fox and E. Burrough , with Traiterous abetting of Oliver and the Rump . Ref. This is very harsh and deny'd . He forgets how the then Clergy abetted Oliver , and highly applauded him and his Son Richard , as their Moses and Joshua , and shews as little regard to the Act of Indemnity in these Recriminations , if they were true . Sn. Yet in p. 204 , 205 , 206 , 207. 208. he not only gives a Recital of a cruel and bitter Petition and Charge against divers of the People called Quakers , directed To the Right Honourable the Council of State , as they were called by several of the Priests and others in Lancashire , and printed in 1653. but also takes it for granted that the Persons charged , were guilty of every part of the Charge , p. 209. Observe . Thus he has sided with the Persecutors of those Times , who abetted and sheltered under that Government , which no doubt he now esteems not Loyal ; and not only so , but he appears very partial and credulous of their most bitter and malicious Charges , which were then designed to stir up severe Persecution . Sn. One of the Charges , p. 202 , 203 , 205 , 206. That G. Fox professed and avowed , That he was equal with God. Another , That he professed himself to be the Eternal Judge of the World. Ref. Observe here the Man 's partial Credulity and Injustice again , in taking for granted what persecuting Adversaries have long since unjustly suggested against a conscientious Sufferer , without hearing his Defence ; where the said G. F. being charged by his Persecutors with professing himself to be equal with God , positively denies the Charge as not so spoken , as that G. F. was equal with God ; but confessed , That the Father and the Son are one ; and that Christ and the Holy Spirit are equal with God ; Saul's Errand , p. 5 , 6. And so to Christ Jesus , both as he was of the Seed of Abraham , and also as he was equal and one with the Father : And do not these confess both the Humanity and Divinity of Jesus Christ ? Vid. Just Inquiry , p. 12. Sn. p. 212. That the Quakere take the Name of God and Christ to themselves , because of God's supposed dwelling in them . And p. 213. Their pretence to Perfection , equal even to the Perfection of God himself , and that they all pretend to it . Ref. We the Quakers ( so called ) positively deny all such presumption and these Charges thereof in their several Parts : Pray when and where did ever the People , called Quakers , call themselves by those Names of God and Christ , either because of God's Indwelling or for any other cause ? We deny the Charge as both blasphemous and confused : God's indwelling in his People cannot render them God. And though we do sincerely believe and own a perfection of a deliverance from Sin , and of Sanctification and Holiness , as obtained and wrought by Jesus Christ , for and in true Believers in this Life , yet we cannot pretend to any such equality of Perfection as that of God himself , which in Wisdom and Power , &c. is infinite ; seeing we are Men , and not God ; finite Creatures , and not the Creator . Therefore 't is a great and gross Lie to say of the Quakers , They all pretend to such Perfection and Equality . As it was also likewise answered in the said Just Inquiry into the Libeller's Abuse , as followeth , p. 12. It 's therefore a gross Slander implied against the Quakers , that 't is their Boasting , Doctrin or Principle , that they , or any of them , are equal with God , because they partake of his Spirit that raised Jesus from the Dead ( and of the divine Nature and Image ) they pretend to no such Equality or Principle , neither doth G. F. but the contrary he denies it of himself , or any other Creature , as that any Creature should be equal with the Creator ; as in his Great Mystery , fol. 127. and we abhor any such Boasting . Sn. p. 216 , 217. That most of all are they inraged against G. Keith , for Preaching up the necessity of a Christ without ; and that the Light within is not sufficient to Salvation , without something else ; that is , Christ Jesus without us , suffering and dying outwardly for us . Ref. 1. The first part is not true : We are not offended at G. K.'s preaching Christ , or his Suffering and Dying without us , truly considered . But 2. at his undervaluing the Light within , as not sufficient to Salvation , or not sufficient without something else ; seeing G. K. confesseth , That the Light within , in a true sense , is God and Christ , the eternal and essential Word , as in his Antichrists and Sadducees , p. 23. Surely Christ within and Christ without , are not two Christ's ; Christ without is not another Christ than Christ within , tho' his being without and within are in different manners . By the Light within being sufficient to Salvation , or to bring Salvation , we mean able to save , as the ingrafted Word is able to save the Soul , yea , even where the Kingdom of Heaven is compared to a little Leaven which leavens the whole , it bespeaks its Vertue and Efficacy , surely then God and Christ , the eternal and essential Word , is all-sufficient and able to save Man from Sin , Wrath and Damnation ; nevertheless God hath respect to Christ Jesus his Mediation , Suffering and Dying for us , in his so saving us ; but that God and Christ the eternal Word of God within ( who cannot be divided ) are absolutely sufficient and able actually to save and deliver Men from Sin and the Wrath to come , ( and so do ) ought not to be questioned ; we being reconciled by the Death of Christ , are saved by his Life . The Light and Life of Christ within cannot be without Christ , no more than the Light of the Sun can be without the Sun , or a Stream without a Fountain ; the Light and Life of Christ within us , hath livingly made us Partakers of the Fruit and Benefit of his Suffering , Death and Resurrection without us ; and as much has been asserted of the Light within , and sufficiently thereof , by G. K. as any of us , in his former Books . How he is shaken and varied in this and some other Points , we may refer to his Vniversal Grace and Immediate Revelation , and other Books ; as also , to the Remarks made on them , and his latter Books by Tho. Ellwood , John Penington , and the Moderate Church-man . Sn. p. 218 , 219. That Christ's making an outward attonement and satisfaction for Sin , by an outward shedding of outward Blood , they ( i. e. the Quakers ) turn all this to a meer Allegory , tending only to an inward Christ , that is , their Light within , to spiritual Blood shed inwardly in their Hearts . Ref. 1. We are injuriously and wrongfully accused in this Charge : We do not turn Christ's outward Suffering , Sacrifice , Blood or Attonement made for Sin thereby , into a meer Allegory , as if there had been no such thing in reality both outwardly and literally ; this is far remote from our Intentions , thus to allegorize away all these to the Inward , as if no Christ had outwardly been or suffered for Mankind ; 't was never our Opinion . 2. Yet deny not but it has been , and still is our sincere Belief and Persuasion ( as well as our Experience in measure ) that all Christ's Sufferings and Sacrifice , his Cross , his Blood and Water shed without , had a misterious and allegorical Meaning and interpretation ( as well as a literal ) in them , who are crucified with him , and really washed from their Sins in his Blood , and there is his spiritual Blood and Water as well as the outward ; for all that is spoken of the Blood of Christ in Scripture , is not to be taken only in a literal sense . Sn. p. 219 , 220. That this inward Christ they make to be the Archi-Type of which that Man Christ Jesus was but the Type , Figure , &c. Ref. 'T is a new Notion imposed upon us , that we make Christ as inward the Archi-Tipe , chief or principal Type , for Christ who is not divided , is the substance and end of all Tipes and Figures , and therefore 't is not true in it self , nor of us , That the Man Christ Jesus was but the Type or Figure ; for it hath pleased the Father , that all fulness should dwell in him , which Tipes , Figures and Shadows , are far short of . Sn. p. 220 , 221. That this Doctrin ( which he charges against the Quakers ) makes no more of Christ Jesus than a good Example ; as a Man who had a great measure of the true Christ , and that the Body of that Man Christ Jesus he has now thrown off , and is no more a Man. Thus , saith he , has the Devil in the Quakers , totally destroyed Christ's Humanity , as in the Socinians he has taken away his Divinity . Ref. Here are five notorious Falshoods contained in this Charge against the Quakers : In opposition to which we say our Belief and Doctrin is , That Christ Iesus was and is more than a good Example , he was also a most acceptable Sacrifice and Saviour , in whom we have Life and Salvation , through Faith in him , his Name and Power . 2. He received the Spirit , not by measure but in fulness , and that he is the true and very Christ of God. 3. That the Man Christ Jesus has not thrown off his own particular Body , for 't is a most glorious Body . 4. And Christ himself a most glorious heavenly Man in Soul and Body . 5. The Devil is a great Enemy to all faithful Quakers , and hath no place in them , by the Power of Christ they have overcome that wicked one , and he cannot destroy Christ's Humanity or Manhood , 't is blasphemous to affirm it ; tho' he persecute the Seed of the Woman and bruise his Heel , this Seed shall bruise his Head , and hath done it , and will destroy the Devil and his Works , from having any Power or Dominion , where Christ , the promised Seed , is truly received and reigns . Sn. p. 222. That they make themselves equal to Christ Jesus ( yea ) to be Christ , preferring of themselves before him , p. 224. Ref. These gross Lies and blasphemous Calumnies are utterly denied , being also refuted before : We have abundance of such Stuff reiterated in the windings and turnings of this Snake in the Grass . Sn. p. 239. That the Quakers will not allow Christ to be the promised Seed , or that he was more a Man in the Body of Jesus , than in the Body of any other Man. Ref. These are gross and notorious Falshoods still : We ever believed the promised Messiah , the Christ of God , to be the promised Seed , which by the Power of God should bruise the Serpent's Head ; and that he was true and perfect Man in the Body which he took upon him ( which was the Body of Jesus who was born of the Virgin Mary ) as he was and is a quickning Spirit in other Men , especially in true Believers . Sn. p. 239. He confesseth the Influence and Inspiration of his blessed Spirit is the ONLY true saving Light within us , but not the Seed ; and Christ himself ( as the Quakers blasphemously dream ) only a Ray or Communication of his Light and Life to us . But p. 242. he speaks of Faith in Christ's outward Blood , by which ONLY there is Salvation . Ref. If the only true saving Light within us , be the Inspiratiou of the blessed Spirit and Communication of the Light and Life of Christ to us as is granted , tho' this as within be not Christ in his fulness as in himself , yet 't is as truly the Incorruptible Seed the Word , Christ our Life and Light ; as the Life of Christ is Christ , or as the Spirit of the Lord is the Lord ; as where the Spirit of the Lord is , there is liberty ; now the Lord is that Spirit : It is Christ gives us both Life , Light and Spirit , and Christ is our Life , Light and Salvation . But do not the Words only Salvation by Christ's outward Blood , exclude any other means of Salvation ? And then how is his Spirit the only true saving Light within us ? Tho' that Blood of Christ be of true value and esteem , as part of his Sacrifice and Price , it is his Spirit and Power which quickens and actually saves the Soul from Sin and Death . Sn. p. 245. He accuseth the Quakers with denying any other God or Christ but themselves . Ref. This is one of his most horrid and blasphemous Slanders , and solemnly by us denied with as utter detestation and abhorrence , as any of the rest of his most gross and absurd Calumnies . Sn. p. 251. That they expresly disown any other Christ than what is within them ; and that the Quakers do not believe that Christ has any other Body , or other Humanity , than that spiritual or allegorical Body which , they say , he has within them . Ref. 1. To the first part : We own not two Christ's ; the true Christ is but one Christ , and we own him , as he is both without us and within us ; tho' he is not wholly contained within us , yet he 's truly within us by his Spirit , Light and Life , and dwelling in our Hearts , by Faith ▪ What other Christ does this Man own , than him who is in true Believers ? 2. The latter part of his Charge is not true : We believe Christ has his spiritual glorious Body without us , like unto which we also believe our low Body shall be changed and fashioned . Sn. p. 254. That the Quakers , by a monstrous sort of Transubstantiation , think themselves to be the Christ. Ref. This is a monstrous Falshood and Forgery still to defame and odifie us , grounded on divers other false and partial Stories , and is before , in substance , answered . Sn. p. 255. That G. Keith , for his most Christian Doctrin of a Christ without , was condemned by their last Yearly Meeting . Re. This is a notoriously false Story again , as the two Accounts given of him , by two Yearly Meetings , may evince , having no such cause assigned in them , for our conditionally disowning him , but his unchristian Spirit and Behaviovr , as an Instrument of divisions and disturbance in the Churches of Christ , whereby he hath cut himself off , unless he repent . Sn. p. 262. Their spiriting away the Letter of the promised Seed , the Humanity of Christ , &c. Re. This Charge , with all the hard Consequences depending thereupon against us , are sincerely and utterly denied by us : As by the Letter of the promised Seed , he means the Scripture-History of the Man Christ ; where proves he that we spirit this away ? Our owning Christ in Spirit and as a quickning Spirit in us , was never intended , as we know , to deny his real Manhood , Mediation or Intercession without us , no more than the Apostle did . See 1 Cor. 15. 45 , 47. where the second Man , the Lord from Heaven , is also called a quickening Spirit . Sn. p. 263. He charges them with running into this Excess , of throwing off the Humanity of Christ , abusing the Scriptures by the contemptible Names of Beastly Ware , Dust , Death , &c. and calling the Holy Scriptures by the contemptible Names of Dust and Beastly Ware , p. 267. Re. These are still old repeated , shameful Calumnies against us . The first part is sufficiently answer'd before , and in many other Books , for our sincerely and plainly owning the blessed and most-glorious Man , Christ Jesus , according to plain Scripture . The latter part is some of F. Bugg's calumnious Abuses and Perversions , and clearly detected and refuted , in several Answers to his scurrilous Pamphlets ; and his Authority will go but a little way , what Credit soever 't is of with this obscure Adversary . 'T is far remote from us to own any such contemptible Names , as to call the Holy Scriptures Beastly Ware , &c. Tho' , perhaps , making a Trade upon Scripture , or Preaching for Hire or Mony , hath been so called by some or other . Sn. p. 268. That it is plain they never gave the Scriptures a good Word , but meerly for popularity , when forced to it . Re. He is a very unrighteous and false Judge in this also ; both our Consciences in the sight of God , and many of our Writings also , testifie the contrary ; that freely and without force , for the sake of that divine Inspiration from whence the Holy Scriptures proceeded ; and those blessed and holy Doctrins and Truths , contained in them , they are highly owned and esteemed by us . Sn. p. 285. Judge whether these be sound principled Men , that can turn , conform and transform to every change according to the Times , whether these be fit Men to teach People ? Re. These are still deceitful and envious Suggestions : Our manifold Sufferings in our Persons and Estates , for Conscience-sake , by Persecutions ( many whereof being the Temporizers of the Clergy ) do manifest the contrary to what 's here suggested against us , that we have not turned , changed nor conformed according to the Times , in point of Worship , Principle , Faith or Discipline ; for could we have so done , we might have escaped many deep Sufferings and great Losses which we have undergone , and then have been owned by such temporizing and persecuting Priests as now reproach us , when they cannot otherwise persecute us as formerly . Sn. p. 314. The Lord help them , and hear our Prayers for them , since they will not pray for themselves , &c. Re. We have no reason to believe that this Person can pray sincerely for us , seeing he is so full of Wrath and Envy that he notoriously belies us in his Prayer , in saying , That they ( i. e. the Quakers ) will not pray for themselves . He seemingly prays , but rails and reviles as it were with one Breath , both next before and after his Prayer . Sn. p. 319. That thus the Quakers say , That he ( Christ ) dwelt only in the Body of that Man Jesus , as in a Vail , but took not that Body into his own Person , so as to become Hypostatically united to it . Re. We are to seek herein , as not knowing where the Quakers say these things of Christ and his Body ( which he took and dwelt in ) as if he took it not into his own Person , so as to be really or substantially united to it ; we never understood that it did not properly belong to himself , but to some other Person . The Objection herein against us is not only some Perversion , but frivilous and impertinent : Tho' his Flesh is called the Vail , yet 't was that he owned as his own Body , being also called the Body of Jesus , which was not a fantastical but a real Body ; and he who is the entire Christ , the Man Jesus , is not divided in Body or Spirit . Nevertheless Christ the eternal Son of God was ( as to his divine Nature and spiritual Being ) as the spiritual Rock , before he took on him that Body that was prepared for him . Sn. p. 320. That the Quakers most expresly make Christ's outward Blood the Type and Figure of inward Blood , shed spiritually in their Hearts . Re. We know not what Author he has for this Charge . However , the Quakers really own Christ's outward Blood as a part of his precious and acceptable Sacrifice ; and we deny not but that Blood of his , as well as the Water that came out of his Side with it , had an allegorical and misterious signification ( as well as an outward and literal ) ev●● of the spiritual Blood and Water of Life , which Christ , our High Priest , sprinkleth , and really washeth our Hearts and Consciences withal ; which we hope no sensible Soul will say is an outward or literal Sprinkling or Washing , but an Inward and Spiritual . Sn. ibid. That the Quakers make Christ without but the History , and the Light within the Mistery or Substance , which the Christ without , as a History or Shadow of it , only pointed . Re. The Quakers do not so make Christ ; they make him no otherwise than the Father has appointed and made him to be . He is more than either the History or Shadow of the Light within ; he , as in himself , is the substance of all Shadows , and fulness of Light and Life , from whom we have received both Spirit , Light and Life . Pray how proves he that the Quakers call Christ without , but the History or Shadow of the Light within ? We want proof of this Point . Sn. p. 321. That this the Quakers have done , viz. set up other Scriptures against those received by the Church , beyond any that ever went before them . Re. We positively deny this Charge . What other Scripture have they so set up against those ? Let 's have plain Proof , for we are wholly ignorant of any such thing . Sn. p. 322. That none ever have so contemned and vilified the Holy Scriptures , as they have done . Re. This is still maliciously to reproach and odifie us , with the same old , reiterated Calumny . We know none that esteem and own the Holy Scriptures more than we , both in Faith and Practice , by the assistance of the Holy Spirit , from whence they came . Sn. p. 323. That a Man bringing a Bible into the Quaker's Meeting-House in Grace-Church-street , and reading part of a Chapter , the 14th of St. Luke ; it being the Bible so moved their Indignation , that one of the chief of them snatched the Bible out of his Hand , and thrust him along the Gallery down several Steps . Re. We know no such Indignation or Action shewn , by any of us , against the Bible , nor against any Person because thereof , neither do we believe it ; let the Author prove it if he can . We disown any such Indignation , either against the Bible or any Person , meerly because thereof : Possibly some publick Disturber might , by some or other present , be gently turned out of Doors ; not because of the Bible , but because of some offensive , turbulent Behaviour . Sn. p. 325. That upon pretence of the Light within , the Devil , the grand Deceiver , drew them away from reading of the Scriptures , &c. discovers their preference of their own Writings to the Holy Striptures . Re. We deny both these , as utterly false , scandalous and relative to many more Lies of the same kind in this Point . Sn. p. 327 , 328. That they give all the threatning Discouragements that can be , to deter any from reading of them . Re. This is as gross and notorious a Falshood as the rest . Sn. p. 330. I can ( saith the Opposer ) name those that now stand high among them , who did , before many Witnesses of the principal Quakers , not stick to say , That Paul was dark and ignorant , and that they saw beyond him . Re. We know none , either High or Low , among us , that ever so said of Paul ; therefore let him produce his many Witnesses to prove who those were that so said , that Paul was dark , &c. or otherwise for ever be ashamed of such odious Defamations . Sn. p. 335. That Simon Magus was the Father of the Quakers , Socinians , and all the rest of the Anti trinitarian Hereticks . Re. A gross Calumny against the Quakers , rendring them a Sorcerer's Children . But they deny both Simon Magus and all Sorcerers , and the Devil the Father of Lies , and all such as would persuade People to buy the Gift of God ( the Gospel ) for Mony. The Quakers are as opposite to such Simony , as Light is to Darkness . Sn. p. 338. That E. Burrough , pag. 47. determines clearly , That the Scriptures are not now of any Authority at all to us at this Day . Re. He perverts E. B.'s Words : We find not such a determination of his ; but where he speaks of that not being a Command from God to me , which he commands to another ; he intends this of special Commands that were to some , as to Baptize and Preach the Gospel , as he immediately explains it , and not of general Commands of Duty incumbent upon all , nor against the Authority of the Scriptures ; it being the Holy Spirit that makes them authoritative and binding , and enables Men to live accordingly who are led by the same Spirit . Sn. p. 342. That G. Whitehead in his serious Apology , p. 49. prefers not only their Writings , but their Ex tempore Preachments , and even all whatsoever they speak , upon any Account , to the Holy Scriptures themselves . Re. He very perversly wrongs G. Whitehead in all these Expressions ; for there 's not a word of preferring our Writings to the Holy Scriptures , much less of all whatsoever we speak thereto ; but a preferring the Holy Spirit and its immediate Teaching in Man to the Letter of Scripture , and preaching in the true sense of the Spirit with divine Authority ( according as Christ did ) to the bare reading the Letter as the Pharisees did ; which was not at all to lessen the Authority of Holy Scripture . Sn. p. 343. To prove gross Contempts of Scripture daily found among them ( i. e. the Quakers ) he gives us another particular Instance of a Quaker-Servant that took the Bible , and in the open Day publickly burnt it against the Church in Bread-street , to shew her Zeal . Re. Upon a late Enquiry we understand , That there was such a Servant-Maid , who under some Discomposure and Temptation , attempted such an evil and mad Action ; but was severely rebuked and testified against by our Friends who came to understand that Attempt or Action , which we utterly abhor , and therefore not justly chargeable upon us as a People , any more than all the mad Actions of the People in Bedlam , who belong to the Church of England . Wherefore the great Envy and Injustice of this Defamer is very remarkable in this Passage , as 't is extended against the Quakers , to prove gross Contempts of Scripture daily found among them ; which is as bad as to say , They daily burn their Bibles . Oh sad and sordid Stuff ! Sn. p. 346. I assure thee , Reader , that there is no mixture of any personal Prejudice in this Vndertaking ; for I do freely own , that I have a real Kindness and good Wishes for every one of the Quakers , that I have hitherto been acquainted with , and I never received any sort of Disobligation from any of them in my whole Life . Re. 1. We have no reason to believe this Person has no personal Prejudice in this his reproachful Undertaking , being against a whole People , where every Person of their Society is concerned , and shamefully defamed by him , under as gross Terms and Characters as the Devil and Malice could invent , and produce , through a poor dissembling Hypocrite , as thus pretends such real Kindness and good Wishes for every one the Quakers of his Acquaintance , while at the same time he 's endeavouring to murther their Reputations , both as Men and Christians . 2. And yet he has received no sort of Wrong from any of them , to disoblige him , in his whole Life : More shame for him then , thus sordidly to abuse the whole People as he hath done . Sn. p. 348. As to the Nature of Christ , they can subscribe the whole Creed , and yet not mean one word of it , of a personal Christ existing now in Heaven in his own true human Nature , without all other Men , or that he is now any otherwise a Man than as existing in his Saints : But that they mean ALL they say of their own Light within , ONLY which they call a spiritual Christ , and shedding spiritual Blood , &c. within them . Re. Here are several Things very perversly and falsly insinuated in these Passages . 1. As if we did not believe the Man Christ Jesus to be now in Heaven without us ( as well as spiritually within us ) which is not true . 2. As if we did not own Christ Jesus to be intire and perfect Man in himself , or in his own proper Being or Existence without us , as well as he is by his Spirit in us ) which also is not true , for we really own him in both . And though Christ , being the spiritual Rock , and as he is the Word of God , the immortal Seed and a quickning Spirit , he is in us , and livingly felt and known in all true Believers , yet not to lessen his intire Existence , or limit him the Holy One , as if he were no where or otherwise in Being than within us . Such limitation we disown , as well as wholly to exclude Christ out of his Saints , as some have done under those unscriptural Expressions of a personal Christ existing in Heaven , wholly without us ; which Terms some of us have questioned chiefly because imposed by some to oppose the Light , Life and Spirit of Christ within , whereby we can only truly know the Lord Jesus Christ , to our eternal Salvation and Peace . 3. That Christ is truly spiritual and glorious , we confess and shall never deny ; and that he has spiritual Blood too , spiritual Water , Wine and spiritual Drink , to sanctifie , refresh and comfort our Souls , we must confess as that we daily experience ; as well as he had natural and outward Blood to offer and shed on the Cross for the sins of the World. Sn. p. 350. That the Quakers general Answer to the seven Queries of the 15th of May , 1695. was a Trick and Deceit of theirs , to hide and cover their monstrous Heresies . Re. This is a very severe and high Charge , ( especially from one pretending real Kindness for us ) and as false as any of the rest of his Railery against us . But what Proof is offered of these monstrous Heresies , or covering them ? viz. Sn. They tell of Christ born of the Virgin Mary , who suffered under Pontius Pilate , &c. but they keep off the whole stress of the Queries , viz. Whether they believe in such a Christ , as without them ? And that he is now this day a Man without all other Men ? No , not a word of this ; this pinches too close : And I think this a full Confession of their Heresie . Re. Our Adversary appears very much out here : For suppose we did not answer expresly in all the Terms of the said Queries , being indirect and confusedly stated , seeing we gave a scriptural , intire substantial and comprehensive Answer ( which he is not able to confute ) : This could not amount to any confession of Heresie on our parts , neither does his thinking so prove any such thing . He judges with very dark and evil Thoughts in this Matter . Where did we ever say , That Christ being born of the Virgin Mary , and suffering under Pilate , were not without us ? Or , that Christ is not a Man , without all other Men , as well as spiritually in them ? We are to seek for such a Confession by us , for we know none such ; but the contrary , we are bound to believe in Christ intirely in all respects as he is ; both as he is within us , and as he is without us ; both as he is God , and as he is Man , according to Holy Scripture-Testimony of him ; and 't is not uncharitable or envious thinking the contrary of us , that can be any valid Argument to convict us to the contrary , or of any Heresies whatsoever . Sn. p. 351. Out of some of their ( i. e. the Quakers ) Books , George Keith has collected their true and genuine Answers to each of the said Queries , &c. under this HOLY Title , Gross Error and Hypocrisie detected , &c. Re. The first part is false : For G. K. did partially and perversly collect divers Passages , which could be no proper nor direct Answers to those Queries , nor so intended , nor by us adapted to any such Queries ; therefore the greater Abuse in him , to collect and place them for Answers thereto . 2. His Title and Charge of Gross Error and Hypocrisie , is blasphemously termed HOLY , for 't is altogether Unholy , as well as Malicious , and G. Keith is accountable to the just God for scandalizing and defaming us , not only with Gross Error , but Hypocrisie too . The first intends those Books of ours , quoted by him ; in all which there 's Matter sufficient to clear us from his Aspersions , as Thomas Ellwood ( and John Pennington also ) have well observed , in divers Answers to him , together with G. Keith's own former Vindications of us ( as a People ) and our Principles . The latter ( i. e. Hypocrisie ) we may suppose must intend our Answer given to the said 7 Queries ; wherein ( as in divers other things ) G. K. hath foully belied us , contrary to our own Consciences , which are clear in the sight ●f God from Hypocrisie in this Matter , as well as in other things : And seeing G. K.'s Authority seems to be of some value with the obscure Author of The Snake in the Grass , he and his Brethren ( of the Church of England ) may take G. K. for their Champion , and see what they can make of him , for he shews ▪ himself now no Quaker , but more near to them ; and where he 'll yet center or settle , in what Society or Communion , is a great Question . Or rather whether he does not aim at setting up for himself as Sect-master , if he can draw some sort of People to admire him in his Notions and reproaching the Quakers ( contrary to his former manifold Vindications of them and their Principles ) after above 30 Years Conversation and kind Treatment among them . The Second Part. Here follows a Catalogue of some of the great Mistakes , notorious Abuses and Calumnies , in the Second Part of the said Book , stiled , The Snake in the Grass ; after the Preface , which is bigger than the Book it self . THE Controversie with the Quaker-Dissenters has not been pursued by the Church of England , with the like Zeal and Pains as those against the Presbyterians , Independents , and other Dissenters , because the Quakers were not so considerable either for their Learning , or for their Influence upon the publick Revolutions , which the others caused both in Church and State. But their numbers ( whether increased by their being so neglected ) are now really formidable , I mean for the many Souls seduced by them : they not only swarm over these Nations , but they stock our Plantations abroad . Re. Tho' the first part of this Complaint carries no small Reflection upon the Presbyterians and Independents , &c. rendring them greatly obnoxious in the Eye of the Government , as not only formidable but dangerous ( which is most proper for them to answer ) 't is not truly stated as to the Quakers : For the Church of England , in the two late King's Reigns , has pursued them with more Zeal and Pains than any other Dissenters , both to stop their Growth and to root them out also ; tho' not by rationally controverting Matters in difference , but by such extream and severe Persecutions , as hard Imprisonments , Banishments , Spoil of Goods , &c. as no other People of Dissenters have so generally suffered , nor to such a degree , because they did not stand in a publick Testimony , in the Heat of the Day , as the People called Quakers have . So that 't is not through the said Churches neglect , or want of taking Pains to pursue the Quakers , that they are so multiplied and increased ; but rather , as the first and chief cause of their Increase was God's Power and divine Providence . A secondary Cause was their great Oppressions and Persecutions , of which Israel's Oppression and Increase , when in Egypt , in some sense and degree was figurative , or resembling ( even of the true Churches Sufferings ) when the more they were oppressed , the more they multiplied and grew . Sn. p. 4. I find them , ( scoffingly telling of the Rabbies of the Quakers ) to inherit the Subtilty , as well as Heresie , of the Arians and Socinians , who were the most subtil and hardest to be detected of any of the Christian Hereticks ; and the Quakers do defend themselves with the same distinctions , and even add to their Arts. Re. This Adversary is very much out , and maliciously calumnious in this his charging the Heresie of the Arians , as well as Socinians , upon the Ministers among the Quakers : For what was the Heresie of Arius ? Was it not that he held That the Son of God had his beginning of nothing ? That there was a time when he was not ; That he had a beginning of Essence ; That he had this Essence of nothing ; That the Son of God was of free Will inclined to Virtue and Vice ; That he was a Creature , and made neither like unto the Father in Substance , neither the true Word of the Father by Nature , neither his true Wisdom ; and that the Word of God was not from Everlasting , &c. These Heresies were charg'd upon Arius and his Complices , in the Sy●odical Epistle of the Council of Nice and Bishop of Alexandria , lib. 1. cap. 3. Socr. Scol . p. 215 , 216. & p. 225. ch . 6. Now we challenge this obscure Adversary to prove , where ever the Quakers , or their Ministers , held these blasphemous and atheistical Notions ? Nay , 't is manifest they hold the quite contrary both to Arius and Socinus , for the Divinity of the Son of God , the Eternal Word , as many of their Writings testifie ; and therefore he is a gross Lyar who charges us with them ; and highly guilty of Folly and Self-contradiction also , in rendring such mad Folks ( as he deems us ) so very subtil in Distinctions and Arts. Sn. p. 5. Many of them have really gone off from the height of Blasphemy and Madness which was professed among them at their first setting up , in the Year , 1650. and so continued till after the Year of the Restoration , Anno 1660. Re. We utterly deny this Charge again as a foul Scandal , That many of us professed the height of Blasphemy and Madness , or that any in Society with us have so done . The Man shamefully abuseth the Readers , by imposing such lying , defaming Stories upon them . Sn. p. 10 , 11. Divers Comparisons made between L. Muggleton and the Quakers , as denying all Church-Authority , making a dead Letter of the Holy Scriptures , and resolving all into their own private Spirit , &c. That these are Twin-Enthusiasts , both born in the Year , 1650. Re. His Comparisons herein are unjust , and Accusations false . 1. We never owned nor had Society with Muggleton , but always bore our Testimony against his dark , blasphemous Conceits . 2. The spiritual Authority of the true Church , we always own and esteem . 3. The Holy Scriptures ( i. e. the Holy Doctrin of the Gospel ) we do not make nor call a dead Letter . We distinguish between the dead Letter and the living Doctrin ; and follow not our private Spirits for the understanding thereof , but the Spirit of God , the Inspiration of the Almighty , which giveth the true understanding . Sn. p. 12. I desire , before I go farther , to obviate a Prejudice which some Readers may take as a little Railery , I am forced to use now and then , which they may think not becoming the Subject in Hand . Re. His said Book of Four Shillings Price , has more than a little Railery in 't ; for 't is stuft with abundance of as shameful Railery , Lies and Slanders , as ever we met withal : But who , or what has forced him to be such a Railer ? Not the Spirit of Christ , not a Christian Spirit to be sure : If he had apprehended us such mad Men and silly ridiculous Fools , as he has represented us , he should rather pity us , than bend his Wits to rail and scoff at us . Sn. p. 13. Intending chiefly to insist upon some of their more material and monstrous Heresies ; ( thus against the Quakers . ) Re. This Charge looks big , and seems to make a great Noise ; but as 't is levelled against us in general , 't is as false as the rest . As concerning the Government his Authority is as invalid ; which is , he only refers us to the Quakers Vnmask'd , printed 1691. What great Authority is this ? but one of F. Bugg's abusive Pamphlets , which is fully answer'd , and his Abuses detected over and over ; which this partial Adversary takes no notice of . That some of these called Quakers , were at first Common-wealth's Men , or for a Common-wealth , and afterward for a Monarchy , when it pleased God by his over-ruling Power and Providence to cause such alterations . We see no monstrous Heresie herein , any more than was in Samuel . See 1 Sam. 8. 5 , 6. ch . 10. 1. That the Quakers are against their being concerned in Fighting , and destroying Men's Lives ; as believing , that 't is not in Christ's mediatory Kingdoms ; and yet grant , that Wars and Fighting are a Judgment from God in the Kingdom of this World. What Heresie or Fallibility is in this , pray ? This is the true state of the Difference , however aggravated and perverted by this Adversary and his Author . Sn. Sect. 3. p. 17 , 18. Anno 1650 and 1654. Then it was that Rome was reaping a plentiful Harvest , which they had long been sowing , by setting up , in that universal Toleration , multitudes of various Sects , on purpose to divide , and so confound their only substantial Adversary the Church of England . They dressed Enthusiasm in several Shapes and Forms of Presbyter , Anabaptist , Independent , Quaker , Muggleton , and along , &c. which differ only in degrees . Re. Here the Snake puts his Sting out against all Protestant-Dissenters ; and , as greatly envying their Liberties , makes a very ill Construction of their former Toleration : And no doubt their present Liberty does as ill please him . Ishmael like his Hand is against every Man , and no sort of Dissenters ( how conscientious soever ) can escape his Blow or Push : He makes Rome the Author , Patron and Planter of them all , both Presbyter , Anabaptist , Independent , Quakers , &c. how plainly soever they have approved themselves Protestants , averse to Popery , and as Dissenting-Protestants are tolerated ; it appears how greatly he envies their Liberties , and is displeased with the Government for granting the same . Oh rare Son of the Church ! Will nothing satisfie this Incendiary , but Persecution and Ruin to Dissenting-Protestants ? May not such his Work be very grateful to the Popish Interest ? What a cordial Friend then does he shew himself to the Protestants ? Sn. p. 19. This Doctrin of Enthusiasm came chiefly from the Church of Rome . Labadee , a Jesuit , set it up in Holland ; and Robert Barclay the Quaker , was tinctured in his younger Years , in the Scotch Convent at Paris ; and John Vaughton was a Roman Catholick , who is now a great Preacher among the Quakers in London ; and ( he adds in his Errata ) William Southby , a Preacher now among them in Pensilvania . Re. These this obscure Accuser brings as Instances to make good the Title of this Third Section , which is , That the Popish Emissaries first set up Quakerism in England ; which is an old lying Story , and his Instances as impertinent . And 1st , We deny that any Jesuit set it up in Holland , and are persuaded many of our Friends there can testifie the contrary . 2. Whatever the Educations of the said R. B. and J. V. were in their Youth , as to Religion , they were none of the first Promoters of Quakerism ( as he calls it ) in England , by many Years . 3. And suppose the One was tinctured , and the other was a Roman Catholick , this makes for us ; that was not since they were Quakers , but before they turned Quakers ; and then when they did , they turned from Papists and Popery in Testimony against it , and against human Traditions and Superstitions , and for the Holy Spirit 's Teaching and Worship of God in Spirit and Truth . Sn. p. 20. The Quaker-Infallibility was contrived on purpose to bring Men back to the Infallibility of the Church of Rome , by these Steps . First , the Infallibility was placed by G. Fox and all the Primitive Quakers , in every single Quaker . Re. These are envious and false Aspersions , to render us infamous , obnoxious and offensive . 1. We positively deny any such Contrivance , Design or Purpose . 2. We deny that G. F. and all the Primitive Quakers , place Infallibility in a single Person , like Papists , or in every single Quaker without distinction , but in the Spirit of Truth , which assures us in Matters of Faith and Salvation . The Man often sillily scoffs at the Quaker's Infallibility , but does not truly state their Principle in that Case . Sn. p. 38. in Sect 5. They ( i. e. the Quakers ) damn all the World to Hell ; all since the days of the Apostles , but themselves . Re. This is a great Untruth : We damn none to Hell ; 't is Men's own Wickedness ( in hating the Light ) which carries them to Hell. We believe there were many good Men , and saved since the Apostles days . Sn. p. 40. They pretend to a Perfection even equal with God. Re. We pretend so of Christ , not of our selves : We desire we may always be kept truly Humble and in true Fear , out of all Boasting and high Thoughts of our selves , that Christ may be magnified in us . Sn. p. 41 , 42. in Sect. 5. They give to themselves , and to one another , the most peculiar Titles of Christ ; as that of The Branch , and the Star , and the Son of God , which are attributed to George Fox , and which he takes to himself ; quoting New Rome Arraigned , p. 33 , 34. and The Quakers Vnmask'd , and New Rome Vnmask'd , referring the Reader to those Books of F. Bugg 's , which he has quoted upon the Margin , as he saith , p. 48. Re. These are F. Bugg's notorious refuted Lies , which this Adversary is so shamefully credulous of : We positively deny giving those peculiar Titles of Christ to our selves , or to one another ; and Bugg has been charged therewith , and cannot prove them . G. Fox is not so much as mentioned in that Epistle of E. Burroughs , out of which F. Bugg takes these Titles , the Branch , the Star , &c. which are peculiar to Christ. Sn. p. 51 , 53. Sect 6. That G. F.'s Great Mystery , p. 282. endeavours to prove , That the Quakers are perfect as God , not only in quality , but in equality , from Christ's words , Be ye perfect , even as your heavenly Father is perfect . Re. These are not G. F.'s Words of the Quakers that they are so ; his Words are here perverted : He refers to Christ's Words and the Apostles , and to that which is of God and from him , and mentions not the Quakers in the place . Sn. p. 52. Great Mystery , p. 248. again quoted , viz. All THAT have the Son and the Holy Ghost , have THAT which is equal in Power and Glory with the Father ; and this all the Quakers say they have . Re. That the Son and Holy Ghost are equal in Power with the Father , and that the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the Dead dwells in the Saints , we see not this to be such a monstrous Heresie . Are not the Son and Holy Ghost of the same Substance with the Father ? And have not the Assembly at Westminster , confessed as much as G. F. says ? Yet the Quakers do not say they have the Holy Ghost in fulness , but in measure . Sn. p. 53 , 54 , 55. Sect. 7. Of the Quakers making their Soul of the same Person and Substance with God ; quoting Great Myst. p. 247. & p. 90 , 91. & 273. Of Christ's dwelling in the Saints ; Of that which came out from the Creator ; Of the Soul that came out of him , &c. Re. 1. The Case herein is both mis-understood and mis-represented against the Quakers : They do not so make their Souls of the same Person and Substance with God. I know no such Expressions used by the Quakers . 2. There 's a mis-understanding also of G. F. in the Case about his questioning , Is not that a part of God which came out from God , and of his Being ? as God breathed into Man the Breath of Life , and he ( i. e. Man ) became a living Soul ; to which Words G. F. expresly refers . We always understood him to intend , That this Breath of Life , which made Man a living Soul , was that divine Breath , or Spirit of Life , which came out from God and of his own Being ; for otherwise how should Man thereby become a living Soul ? Which clearly distinguisheth the Creature Man to be that living Soul , that was so made by that Spirit , Breath and Life which proceeded from his Creator , and which some term the Soul of the Soul. So that the Soul of Man , abstractly considered , was as truly created as Man himself ; tho' that divine Inspiration , or Breath of Life , whereby the Soul had its Being , Life and Immortality , be Increated and of God himself ; for we ever distinguished between the Soul of Man , and that which saves it . Note , That his 2d , 4th , 8th & 9th Sections are not particularly pointed at , being in Substance comprehensively and sufficiently answered in divers Answers to the rest , and in our Just Enquiry the same things being often repeated in his Book ; as about Carnal Weapons ; Damning all the World ; the Soul ; and Immediate Revelation . Sn. p. 69. Sect. 10. As they place Infallibility in every single Quaker , so they confine it not to Matters of Faith , but extend it to all Persons and Things , to know all Men's Hearts and all Things in the World by their inward Light without , being told by any . Re. Here 's a great Mistake in these Accusations . 1. Such a personal Infallibility as to know all Persons , States and Things in the World , we pretend not to ; for that were for Man to pretend Omnisciency , which is only proper to Almighty God : The Man 's egregiously out in confounding Infallibility with Omnisciency . The Infallibility or Certainty own'd by us , originally is in the Spirit and Light of Truth given by Christ Jesus , and not consisting in Persons , their humane or natural Parts ; yet we must confess , to the Glory of God , that the Spirit of Truth , doth infallibly teach and lead them into all Truth , who truly obey it , and gives them certain knowledge in Matters of Faith and Salvation . Sn. p. 81. They turn and wind this Infallibility of theirs at such a rate , that no Man can ( I am sure I cannot ) know what they mean by it . Re. Where 's then the Blasphemy ? Here 's manifest Contradiction to what he hath said before , about extending the Quaker's Infallibility to all Persons and Things , and to know all Mens Hearts and all things in the World , &c. which is to pretend to Omnisciency , which is only proper to God who only is Omniscient . Silence had better become this occult Adversary's Ignorance , than to reproach or vilifie us about what he knows not . Sn p. 83 , 84. The Strength which God has given to our Bodies , is as sufficient to climb up to the Skies , as the Wisdom or Light which he has given to our Souls was sufficient , of it self , to have found out the redemption of lost Man , by the Incarnation and Satisfaction of Christ to God's Justice for our Sins ; or if found out , to have paid that Price , and to have accomplished that whole wonderful Oeconomy of our Salvation by our own Abilities ; and then he goes on thus confusedly ) so very insufficient is the Light within us , even tho' followed to the utmost by its own Strength to carry us to Heaven . Re. This is to deny any divine Wisdom , Light , Word or Power to be given to our Souls , as if they could live and immortally subsist without the divine Logos , or Word in them , which in Scripture is called , The Ingrafted Word which is able to save the Soul , and consequently to carry us to Heaven ; 't is therefore great Darkness to oppose the sufficiency of this Light , this Word or Christ within , or to oppose his Incarnation , Sufferings , Satisfaction , or our Redemption obtained by him , as our Mediator , to this his own inward Light , Power and Appearance ; for as truly as Christ Jesus , as our blessed Mediator , has obtained eternal Redemption and Salvation for us , so truly doth Christ Jesus , by his Light , Life and Power , make us Partakers of that Redemption and Salvation , and to know the Oeconomy , Law or Rule of his House and Family , as we obey him therein , that we being reconciled by his Death might be saved by his Life . The divine Logos , the Light or Spirit of Christ , is as able now to discover what Christ hath done and suffered for our Redemption , as it was to shew the Prophets his Sufferings , and the Glory that should follow . Sn. p. 84. And therefore the Quakers preaching up the sufficiency of the Light within ( as all of them but the Separatists do ) is not only highly derogatory to the satisfaction paid by Christ for our Sins , but it is blasphemous , in ascribing to Our Selves a Power sufficient to work out our own Salvation . Re. There are two gross Mistakes in these Passages . 1. The sufficiency we ascribe to Christ , his Light and Life within , is not any derogation to his Satisfaction , Attonement or Ransom given and paid by him ( without us ) for Sins and Sinners , no more than Christ's own exhorting Men To believe in the Light , that they might become Children of the Light ; or the Apostle's , to a receiving the ingrafted Word which was able to save the Souls , could be derogatory to his blessed intention and end in his Suffering and Sacrifice for Mankind ; but the contrary , Christ by his Light and Life within leads to know and experience the same , i. e. our effectual Cleansing and actual Deliverance from Sin and Satan , &c. which he has obtained for us and for Mankind , by his Sufferings and Mediation . 2. We never ascribed to our selves a Power sufficient to work out our own Salvation , that 's notoriously known to be expresly contrary to our professed Principle : We ascribe our sufficiency to be in Christ by his own Power , Grace and Light in us to work out our Salvation , it being by Grace , through Faith in Christ , that we are saved , not of our selves ; 't is the Gift of God , and without him we can do nothing . And this Heavenly Treasure , though we have it in our earthen Vessels , the excellency of the Power is of God and not of us . After his many Scoffs at our Doctrin of Infallibility , which he knows not what to make of , he has at length stumbl'd upon an Instance of those he esteems will be found to have the best Title to it , p. 85. where it is written , Prov. 16. 10. A divine Sentence is in the Lips of the King , and his Mouth transgresseth not in Judgment . We would ask him , If none are indued with a divine Sentence and unerring Judgment but Kings ? Or , if none are Saints and Partakers of the Spirit of Truth or divine Wisdom , but Kings ? What kind of Kings he means that are thus infallible , he does not distinguish ; sure they must be just and good Kings indued with divine Wisdom : But are none else so but Kings ? Do not all that truly fear God partake of the same Spirit and Wisdom ? Is God any respecter of Persons ? What does he think of those very Elect , whom Christ implies 't is impossible to deceive , Mat. 24. 24. Are they fallible or deceivable ? Or of them in whose Mouths was found no Guile ? Or of them who have put away all Guile , and all Malice , and all Lying , and all Hypocrisie , &c. 1 Pet. 2. 1. Are such led by an infallible Spirit or no ? But to proceed , he has some very scurrilous and abusive Flings at G. W. to prove him not led by an infallible Spirit of discerning or true Judgment , p. 87. He quotes G. W.'s Charitable Essay , in Answer to Fr. Bugg , p. 6. his objecting against G. F. That they ( the Quakers ) could discern who were Saints , and who Apostates , without speaking ever a Word . And says that he ( G. W. ) puts it off ingeniously thus , That they could discern it by their lofty Looks , wanton and scornful Eyes , envious and fallen Countenances , and so without speaking ever a Word , p. 87. And then , among divers other Scoffs and Flouts , goes on ; Is not this very hard Fishing for Infallibility ? Adding , Alas ! poor George , Is the infallible Quaker dwindled down to a meer Gypsie or paltry Fortune-teller , to nothing but a little Skill in Physiognomy ? Ah! George , what a blessed Spirit would'st thee have thought Satan , if thee hadst seen him when he was transform'd into an Angel of Light ? p. 88. 89. in Sect. 10. To all which it may be safely answer'd , This Scorner's Abuse and Perversion is herein very evident ; for that we do not place our Infallibility of discerning of Spirits , only upon those outward Signs in the Countenances of wicked Men or Women , as their lofty Looks , scornful Eyes , envious fallen Countenances ; though these were in part instanced , in Answer to the great wonderment made of knowing wicked Hearts when silent , to shew there are other outward Signs and Tokens to manifest them by , than their wicked Words or prophane Talk , and even such Signs as Scripture takes notice of . And seeing this Scorner has unjustly perverted and minced the Passage quoted , Char. Essay , p. 5 , 6. 't is meet to recite it more fully , for the Quakers having a Spirit given to them , beyond all the Fore-fathers in the Apostacy , &c. viz. That the very intent and meaning of G. F.'s Words herein , was not beyond all the Fore-fathers without exception , but beyond all in the Apostacy . And further ; and they can discern who are Saints and who are Devils , and who are Apostates , without speaking ever a word ; that is , they that be in the Power and Life of Truth ( as G. F. there saith ) can so discern between Saints and Devils ; and that 's possible , as 't is for humble Men to discern wicked Persons , even by their proud and lofty Looks , wanton and scornful Eyes , envious and fallen Countenances , the shew of whose Counteannces testifing against them : And more especially by the Gift of discerning of Spirits , given to some in the Church of Christ , Apostates and wicked Spirits are discernible from Saints ; and that a Spirit of Vnderstanding and Discerning is given among us , &c. concluding with the Saints Right of discerning by the Power and Life of Truth , between Saints and Devils . From all which , pray observe how plain it is that discerning of Spirits , which we assert , is principally placed on ( and springs from ) the Power and Life of Truth ( that is , from Christ ) and the Gift of discerning of Spirits given to some Members especially , ( and still is continued ) in the true Church ; and from which discerning , Satan cannot be hid , however he transform himself ; altho' proud and lofty Looks , wanton and scornful Eyes , envious and fallen Countenances , are rendred in Scripture as outward Signs or Marks of such wicked Hearts , which also the Gift and Spirit of discerning perceiveth ; and gives to see many times through such outward Mediums . And therefore the true discerning of Spirits , which we plead for , is neither dwindled down to a meer Gypsie nor paltry Fortune-teller , nor to nothing but a little Jugler's Skill in Physiognomy , as this scornful Adversary reflects . And to reprehend his Reproach and Blasphemy herein , and shew him that both God , and good Men divinely inspired , have also taken notice of such Signs , Marks and Tokens in wicked Men's Looks and Countenances , as before mentioned , Let him read and consider these places of Scripture , Gen. 4. 5 , 6. Psal. 10. 4. Isa. 3. 9 , 16. & 2. 11. & 5. 15. Psal. 131. 1. Prov. 30. 13. & 6. 17. & 21. 4. And he may see that both God Himself , and his Prophets and Servants , took notice of wicked Men's Countenances , proud and lofty Looks , and wanton Eyes , &c. and did not therefore deserve to be numbred among Gypsies and Juglers . Behold the Levity and Ignorance of this prophane Scoffer of the Spirit of discerning and Scripture ! Who further in 's scoffing Humour proceeds against G. W. notoriously to detect his Infallibility by Signs and Faces , as well as G. Fox 's without speaking ever a word ( as he pretends . ) His Story is about one Chr. Athinson 's miscarriage at Norwich , in the Year , 1655. from Richard Hubberthorn's writing , That in the wisdom of God we were searching it out , and in his Will waiting for his Counsel . The Scoffer reflects , That notwithstanding all this , neither G. Fox , G. Whitehead , nor any other of the infallible Gang could find it out , till Chr. Atkinson , prickt with the stings of his own Conscience , did freely and of his own accord confess it , and sign'd a Paper of Condemnation of himself for this wicked Fact , p. 90 , 91 , 92. Sect. 10. And what of all this ? What can he make of it ? That the then Quakers could not find out the Matter of Fact , till upon their searching it out and waiting in the Will of God for his Counsel , the Offender was made to confess it , from inward Conviction in 's own Conscience ? And what 's the consequence ? Therefore they were not led by an infallible Spirit ; that follows not . That Spirit might lead them to search and examine the Offender , in order to bring him under Judgment and Sense of his Evil , which they understood before , and upon Examination and placing true Judgment upon him , were made instrumental to bring him under Judgment and Confession ; for some discovery of his Crime was made before , which occasioned their farther Enquiry and Care to prevent the reproach thereof from falling upon Truth and our Friends that were innocent . Besides , G. W. was not at Norwich when this Miscarriage hapned and was discovered ; yet he affirms , that sometime before , both he and some others perceived that the said C. Atkinson's Spirit was wrong , and that he did not live in the fear of God , nor in Humility , and that they were burthened concerning him , and did seriously caution him ; but he was too high to receive their Counsel , insomuch that they were jealous Truth would suffer by him some way or other , tho' they pretended not to know the Grossness of his Miscarriage aforehand , nor till some discovery was made thereof ; neither were they ( or are we ) desirous to know all private Conversations and Actions of evil Men. We pretend not to know by Revelation , or the infallible Spirit , how many drunken Priests are in England , &c. nor how many of them have had their Misses , and Bastards by their Maids and others ; nor who they all are by Name ; but by outward Relation we have had account of a great many such , tho' we charge not all , nor any of the eminent ones , who are more sober than the rest . And if this scornful Adversary shall therefore conclude that we have not the Spirit of Christ ( which is infallible ) he might as well conclude , no Man has it , because not omniscient ; which were very absurd and blasphemous . And then be sure he has excluded himself from having that infallible Spirit of Christ , and so is none of his , and consequently destroyed the credit of all his own Work against us ; as therein having followed his own Spirit ( dictated by Satan ) as the false and lying Prophets did , and not the Spirit of the Lord God. To his scurrilous Story of more tender regard shewed to some young Women who had given a Confession in Writing to John Bolton , of their frailty in the Flesh , as is told in the Spirit of the Hat ; but it was hush'd up because it touched many eminent ones in the Ministry , who from Day to Day resorted unto them , &c. p. 95 , 96. Sect. 10. This is a sligh insinuating way of implicitely scandalizing Persons by such old envious Stories , and all to cast Dirt not only upon some private Persons , but even upon many eminent ones of the Ministry , without telling us the Names either of the Men or Women charged . At this rate many honest Persons , who are of good Fame also , may be very injuriously brought under suspicion of great Enormity and Scandal . But let this Adversary , who is so very credulous of such infamous Stories , come forth and shew himself , and be more plain and particular in his Charge , as of the Persons and Matters of Fact charged , together with the said Confession of the Women ; and probably he may have a more direct Answer : For his suspicious Charge , as it is exhibited by him , appears a very blind Story , which we can make neither Head nor Tail of . And the Spirit of the Hat did then prejudicially and blindly bring it forth ; which 't is hoped the Author hath repented of long before this time . But this Opposer should look and examin among his own Brethren , and remember that the Incontinency of Priests is no new thing ; for there is an old penal Statue-Law , 1 H. 7. 4. made against Priests , Clerks and religious Men for Incontinency , being duly convicted of Advoutry , Fornication , Incest , or any other fleshly Incontinency , to be punished by the Ordinary by Imprisonment , according to the quantity and quality of the Trespass . If this Law be obsolete and not put in Execution , we cannot suppose 't is because all the Priests are reformed and clear of that Enormity in these Days . However , they would not all be charged with the Faults of some . Sn. p. 99. I hope what has been said will be sufficient to cure Men of this most mistaken pretence to Infallibility , grounded upon the Infallibility of the Spirit of God , as if nothing could proceed from Infallibility , but what was infallible . Re. 1. We know no mistaken pretence to Infallibility , that 's grounded on the Infallibility of the Spirit of God ; for 't is an infallible unerring Spirit in all its Gifts , Teachings , Operations and Fruits , and leads the truly spiritual-minded into all Truth ; and no other Spirit can we ground Infallibility , in Matters of Faith or Duty , upon . 2. As no Lie is of the Truth , so nothing proceeds from this Spirit of Truth , but what 's true and certain , as all its Ways and Teachings are . Sn. p. 102. The Case of the Quakers is so hard , that if we can prove but ONE false Prophet among them , the Infallibility of All and every one of them must be a Deceit ; because ( out of E. Burr . ) the Infallibility is asserted to belong to every One of them in particular . Re. 1. The first part is as good Logick , as to say , If we can prove but one Drunkard , or effeminate debauched Person , among the Clergy of England , then they are all Drunkards , &c. and their pretence to be all ( and every one of them ) Christ's Ministers , is but a Deceit ; but let him better consider on 't : True Prophets were not to suffer , nor to be branded for the false Prophet's Falshood and Presumption . See Deut. 18. 20 , 21 , 22. 2. Infallibility is no otherwise asserted to belong to every one , or any of us , than as we are led by the Spirit of Truth and taught thereby , a Manifestation whereof is given to every one to profit withal . But we do not therefore grant , that every ( or any ) false Prophet , belongs to us or our Society . Sn. p. 102 , 103. To his long Story of a Quaker-Glover in Cheapside who had his Till robb'd , and of a Quaker-Prophet mistaken in the Person , &c. Re. 'T is too long a Story to repeat , and seems designed to render us ridiculously odious ; to which at present take the Answer following , till the Snake-man appears to bring forth better Proof . THE Glover replies for himself , thinking it no Favour to have his Name concealed under a true state of the Case , and minds his Author it is not safe nor warrantable to publish by Hear-say ; for his Account is almost in every part false , containing at least twelve plain Mistakes at best . A natural Consequence of being over-officious and medling in other Mens Affairs ; which he is the readier to let him know , that if he will please to appear Face to Face , and hath two Ears , may be yet better informed by him ; who is willing to join Issue with him in his great many more Instances , as he saith . Nath. Marks . Among his many repeated Falshoods , there is something of Truth hinted about one he calls a Prophet ( although never so esteemed by us ) who not keeping in Humility , true Fear and Watchfulness ( as the Light of the Lord would have guided him ) the Enemy prevailed to hurry him ( by the shrength of Imagination and a secret discomposure of Mind ) wrongfully to charge a Person with the Fact , for which he has been reprehended and testified against ; and we desire the Lord may truly humble that Person unto true Repentance . Is it just to reproach all for this one Man's Offence ? Would this Accuser be so dealt by , from the gross Miscarriages of many of his esteemed reverend Brethren of the Clergy ? Or because some of them have run Mad , would he and the rest be so deemed ? We trow not . Sn. p. 104 , 105. These Quaker-Prophets resolv'd to try their Hands round , since they had begun , and see if they could terrifie some or other to confess their Infallibility . Re. What Prophets , and how many , did so resolve ? This is a foul Aspersion , mix'd with the other false and partial Story , to defame us , and to invalidate our Christian Testimony which is to the Spirit of Truth and its Infallibility . Sn. p. 112. Now it is made apparent that that Spirit which possesses them ( i. e. the Quakers ) is the very Spirit of Lies , which is the Spirit of the Devil ; and consequently that their Light within is Darkness ; and then , as our Saviour said , O how great is that Darkness ! Re. What a blasphemous , scornful and defaming Wretch is this ? 1. Thus to defame and condemn a sober religious People , as possest with the Spirit of the Devil , from some personal Mistakes , Failings and Weaknesses . 2. Thus to condemn the Principle ( i. e. our Light within ) as great Darkness , because of some personal Miscarriages , or Darkness prevailing , through their not walking in the true Light which we profess . Sn. p. 113. O therefore let those Christians beware , who are led away with pretences to the Spirit in any Men , not only against , but beside that which is written , who break the Vnity of the Church ( which Christ calls the tearing of his own Body to pieces ) and forsake the Communion of their lawful Bishops , whom Christ has left as his own immediate Representatives and Vice gerents , and as the Principles of Vnity in their respective Churches . Re. This Story affects all Protestant Dissenters , how conscientious soever any of them are , as if they were all led by an ill Spirit , against Scripture , to break the Unity of the Church of Christ , and tear his Body to pieces , and to forsake the Communion of Christ's own immediate Representatives and Vice-gerents . Very high Charges indeed , but we deny them ; he must produce some better Proofs than his own ipse dixit , or thus imposing upon Dissenting Protestants . And suppose some such Dissenters should deny a Church , guilty of severe Persecution , to be the Church or Body of Christ ; and such Bishops as have countenanced Persecution , to be his Vice-gerents ; and therefore cannot in Conscience hold Communion with them , or with that Church ; what proof will he bring to satisfie the Denyers thereof ? See what follows . Sn. p. 115. Sect. 10. Tho' God sent many Prophets to reprove the Kings and the Priests , yet they neither rebelled against the Kings , nor set up opposite Altars against those of those wicked Priests : But AS they paid all dutiful Obedience to their persecuting Kings , and suffered Martyrdom under them without resistance ; SO did they always keep in the Communion of those same Priests , whom they had provok'd and reprov'd , and paid all due Obedience to their sacred Authority . Re. 1st . That God sent Prophets to reprove the wickedness of Kings and Priests , and the Covteousness , Idolatry , Prophaneness and Persecution of corrupt and polluted Priests , is true ; and that true Prophets patiently suffered by both . 2. But that the true Prophets did always keep in the Communion of those same corrupted , polluted and wicked Priests , whom they had reproved ( as asserted ) we deny ; for the Holy Prophets had a distinct , pure Communion , from that of the polluted Priests . 3. 'T is no better than a piece of Popery thus to plead for keeping Communion with wicked Priests , and Obedience to their Authority as sacred ( when they have no divine or sacred Authority , ) being debased by their own Iniquity . This is to make People Vassals to a corrupt Priesthood , such as the holy Prophets testified against , and as God overthrew , for their Covetousness , Idolatry and Wickedness ; the great Corruption of Priests , is sufficient cause to dissent and separate from them . Sn. p. 124 , 125. Their Churches have censur'd these Separatists , and consequently given Judgment against the Light within particular Persons . Re. The Consequence is falsly deduced ; for where the Separation is a Self-separation , for which no just Cause is or can be assigned , or Corruption charged upon the Society or Church from whom the Separation is made ; 't is unwarrantable , and not arising from the true Light in any particular Persons ; and therefore , the Judgment against such a Self-separation is not against the Light , but against a Fruit of the Flesh and Darkness : The Lord requires a Separation from the Unclean ; but not from the Congregation of his People , nor from the Flocks of his Companions . Sn. p. 128. The Ground of this Persecution against G. Keith , was his preaching Christ without , or a personal Christ in Heaven , besides the Light within , which he said was only the spiritual Presence of Christ , by his Light and Life in all his Children . P. 130. They do not really believe in any other Saviour than their own Light within , which they call Christ ; and so endeavour to amuse us . Re. 1. We never understood that G. K. was prosecuted for preaching Christ without in Heaven , and only his spiritual Presence by his Light and Life in all his Children , seeing this is all still but one and the same indivisible Christ , and not two Christs ; Christ as in the Heavens and as in our Hearts , is not divided . There were other Matters charg'd against G. K. of his turbulent Spirit and Behaviour , making Divisions , Parties , Separations , &c. 2. We do really believe in the intire Christ of God , who was sent to be the Saviour and Light of the World , that enlightens every Man coming into it ; and he is our Light , Life and Salvation ; and this can amuse none but them that walk in Darkness . Sn. p. 140. That G. K. upon the Text , 1 John 1. 7. said , It ought to be taken literally , that it was the outward shedding of Christ's Blood * which cleanseth from Sin ; and that this was not to be resolved into the Light within , nor to be spiritualiz'd away from the Letter . Re. Let us be excused , if we cannot take that Text , 1 John 1. 7. altogether literally ; if cleansing from all Sin , be a spiritul and inward Work or Act , as no doubt it is , there 's as much ascribed to the Spirit as to the Blood , in respect to the Work of Sanctification , Washing and Cleansing from Sin. And therefore the Blood of Christ may be both taken spiritually and literally ; and this is not to spiritualize away the Letter relating to the outward Blood and Sacrifice of Christ , seeing we have always believed , both in the Letter , and receive the Fruit thereof in the Spirit . Sn. p. 148. Sect. 11. These Men , whose chief Principle is to decry and damn the Letter . Re. This is a most gross and foul Calumny . Our preferring the Spirit to the Letter , as the Apostles did , is no decrying nor damning the Letter , nor so intended by us , but to bring People to the Life and Substance , and real fulfilling of Scripture . To what he saith in distinction between Christ the Word of God , and the Book of Scriptures , p. 151 , 152. this makes for us , and against them , who have often affirmed that Book to be the Word , in opposition to our owning Christ to be the Word , of whom the Scriptures testifie . And this , on our part , is no Contempt of the Holy Scriptures , nor in their place any deifying of our own Spirit and our own Scriptures , as this Adversary most falsly accuseth us , p. 152. His most seeming pretence for Proof against us , of Contempt of Holy Scripture , is in p. 142. Sect. 11. where he quotes a Passage out of a Book , Entituled , The Quaker's Refuge , &c. thus : viz. Whether the first Pen-man of the Scriptures was Moses or Hermes ? Or , whether both these are not one ? Or , whether there are not many Words contained in the Scriptures , which were not spoken by Inspiration of the Holy Spirit ? Whether some Words were not spoken by the grand Impostor ; some by wicked Men ; some by wise Men , ill applied ; some by good Men , ill express'd ; some by false Prophets , and yet true ; some by true Prophets , and yet false — And here the Accuser breaks off in his Citation , like as F. Bugg used to deal by us , who has the same Passage to defame us as he hath done . Whereas next after the Words , And yet false , these follow , viz. Is not the Subject of my Argument at this time . Here 't is plain the Author R. R. has cited these Questions about the Scriptures , not as the Subject of his own Argument , but of some others ; he would not then be concerned to dispute those Questions or Doubts . For the said Author farther confesseth , That such Scriptures and Prophesies as have been written and prophesied by the Holy Men of God , as they were moved by his Spirit , treating of the Mystery of God in the Redemption and Salvation of Mankind by Jesus Christ , and the Duty of Man in his Obedience to , and Worship of the same God , as his reasonable Service ; for the Gift of so great Salvation are the great Concerns now under our most serious Consideration . From hence it 's clear the Author was no Contemner of Holy Scripture ; and 't is clear , the Subject of his Argument was for the Authority of the Holy Spirit , in judging or discerning the Mind of God in the Holy Scriptures , as truly own'd by the Quakers , thus in the said Book , Quaker's Refuge , p. 17. which could not intend any Contempt of the Holy Scriptures ; much less a deifying either of our own Spirit ( i. e. the Spirit of Man ) or our own Writings in their place . We have rarely ever met with more mad , unlikely and improbable Aspersions than these , from our most outragious Adversaries . To what is objected , p. 155. Sect. 11. viz. That they ( i. e. the Quakers ) cannot be bound by any Command in the Scriptures , unless their Spirit anew require the same . This is falsly stated ; 't is not our own Spirit ( i. e. the Spirit of Man abstractly ) that we profess to be under the Conduct of , but the same Spirit which gave forth the Holy Scriptures . And is not awanting to require of us the performance of its own necessary Commands and Doctrins contained in the Scriptures , seeing 't is the same Spirit which leads it's sincere Followers into all Truth ; consequently not to undervalue any of those blessed Truths recorded in the Holy Scriptures . And therefore this Adversary's Consequence intended against us , viz. That the Scripture remains of no Authority with us , p. 155. is very unjust , being deduced from his own false Suggestions , supposing us to set the Spirit in opposition to the Scriptures of Truth , whereas we plead for the divine Authority of the Holy Scriptures , in so much preferring the Holy Spirit from whence they proceeded and derive their Authority , and not from Human Tradition . And this is far from spiritualizing away all the Letter of the Scripture , or Christ's Humanity , as in p. 166. as we are often unjustly aspersed . To what he saith , p. 168. That Enthusiasts have no Principles ; they have no Rule but their own Fancy , which is strongest in mad Men , and this they mistake for Inspiration ; and then their Madness is at the height . We say , take Enthusiasm in the truest and best Sense , and then such are inspired of God ; and by his Inspiration , have a true Understanding and right Principles given them , both Divine and Moral , and do not mistake Fancy for Divine Inspiration . But to whom does the Man apply this Enthusiasm which he renders Fancy , more strong in mad Men and height of Madness ? In his next Page 't is to the Quakers . He says , No Quaker can deny but that the Principle of the Quakers is all Enthusiasm . There never was any Enthusiasm in the World that exceeded it , p. 169. Sect. 11. Here he seems to take Enthusiasm in the Quaker's Sense , which is Divine Inspiration or inspired of God ; which sure cannot be meer Fancy , much less the height of Madness ( as before . ) The Quakers certainly deny this of themselves : Thus the Man's confused in 's injurious Attempts to defame us with the height of Madness . His Objection against the Quaker's Enthusiasm , ( as he calls it ) That none that ever called themselves Christians have advanced themselves so high , to have the same infallible Spirit and immediate Revelation as the Prophets and Apostles , or as Christ himself , &c. p. 169. Herein he 's greatly out : All true Christians are Partakers of the Spirit of Christ in some degree or measure ; for he that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his , and his Spirit is infallible ; and a Manifestation of the same Spirit is given to every Man to profit withal , and the Effusion of this Spirit upon all Flesh was promised ; and we believe the Promises of God , which are all Yea and Amen in Christ Jesus . Therefore this our Adversary , who is so much averse to having the same infallible Spirit , and so opposite to Infallibility , is none of Christ's , consequently no Christian. And he does but follow his own fallible Spirit , ( being prompted on by the Father of Lies ) in what he writes against us , consequently of no Credit therein ; so like one of those false Prophets that follow their own Spirits , and see nothing . But then severely to aggravate the Matter against us poor Madmen ( in his esteem ) he 'll needs have it , That the height of our Self-advancement is to be equal even to God ; to be one Person , Substance and Soul with God : And he does not think that any Human Government can be secure of Men , in whose Power it is to screw themselves up to such blasphemous heights of Enthusiasm , p. 169 , 170. We Answer ; 'T is better to be mad Men and Fools , than to be screwed up by the Father of Lies to such a height of Malice and Outrage , as this insulting and railing Rabshekah appears to be puft up in . When did ever the Quakers so advance themselves , to be one Person , Substance , Soul with God , and equal even to God ? We positively deny the Charge , and the Words themselves ( but only as we are united or joined to the Lord we are one Spirit ) and give this Person leave to secure such Persons in Bedlam , if he can find any among us , that he can plainly prove to hold the same as he charges . And therefore his insinuating such presumptuous Blasphemies against the Quakers in general , to render them so highly obnoxious , and the Government insecure of them ; this is highly and deadly malicious ; and he might as well have taken one Step further to have shewn his Teeth , and have told the Government what he would have done with the Quakers ; how he would have them dealt with to be secure of them ; whether he would have them closely Confin'd , Hang'd or Banish'd ; for take our Word , his Charge is very high against them , and implies no small Reflection upon the Civil Government , for so kindly suffering and indulging such extreamly pernicious mad Folks , as he has over and over rendred the Quakers ; which serves but to evince the Folly of his own Fury and Madness , against a peaceable innocent People . P. 153. Sect. 11. To his ridiculing Womens Preaching and Womens Meetings , &c. 1. We do not institute Womens Preachings as he saith , but leave them free to the Gift and Call of God. 2. Neither hath he proved that they are universally and perpetually forbidden to speak in the Church , by that 1 Cor. 14. 34 , 35. The Apostle Paul did not intend to make void God's Promise of the pouring out of his Spirit upon Sons and Daughters to prophesie , Joel 2. 28 , 29. Acts 2. 17 , 18. No , he allowed Women to Pray or Prophesie , when so divinely indued and inspired thereunto , 1 Cor. 11. 5 , 13. 3. Our Scoffer tells us of the Prelacy of Womens Meetings ; which he calls an Invention never heard of in the World , till G. F. cobled it out . As for the Term Prelacy 't is his own , given in his Scorn and Ignorance . As for our Womens Meetings , what has the Scorner against them or their Services , more than his own Ignorance and Scorn ? We know Them and their Help and Service to be truly Christian and Charitable , consequently to be of the Lord ; their Intent and Service being to be helpful in their Places , for promoting true Christian Charity and Religion in Life and Practice , and particularly with regard to Fatherless and Widows among us , that they may not be neglected , but Visited and Ministred unto in their Afflictions , for their necessary Relief and Comfort . And these Meetings are very expedient and convenient for Intelligence among them , of such Objects of Charity and Compassion . There were Deaconesses , as well as Deacons , in the Primitive Christian Churches . 4. This Church-man has no reason to deride or contemn our Women's Meetings ; we charge not his Church with our Poor , tho' we help to Relieve the Poor of his Church , both Parish-poor and Beggars , to his and their Shame be it spoken , who blindly ridicules our Christian Care and Charitable Methods in this Matter . In Sect. 12. concerning the Light within . That the Light which lightneth every Man coming into the World , being the divine Word the Son of God , is not natural Reason or Conscience , but above both and enlightneth both , is true , because divine and universally in every Man ; and therefore we do not by Virtue of this Light , advance our selves above all Mankind , nor damn all but our selves , as is falsly suggested against us , p. 171. But as we are turned and converted from Darkness unto this Light , the Lord hath advanced us above what we our selves were in our natural and unconverted State , and above all others who yet remain in that state . To the Question , Whether a Man can sin while he follows this Light ? p. 172. Answ. No , nor in his truly following it . And that he cannot leave the Light , without knowing it or being followed with Judgment and Conviction thereof by the Light , is true also . Whence it does not follow that there can be no Sin of Ignorance , as is wrongfully inferred , p. 173. For there are Sins of Ignorance before Conviction and Conversion , whilst Men walk in Darkness , being ignorant of the Light that shines in it , and their Minds estranged from it ; but after convicted , or Conversion in measure , if they backslide in Heart and leave the Light , they cannot be left altogether ignorant of their backsliding , because they shall be left without Excuse , who either through their impenitent hard Hearts treasure up Wrath to themselves , or backslide in Heart , or wilfully sin until judicially hardned , after they have received the knowledge of the Truth . 1. Because of God's universal Call and Visitation by his Light and Free Grace in Christ to Sinners . 2. Because of his swiftly pursuing the Wicked , and all them that forsake him , by his Spirit of Judgment : For these , and other Causes , they are all inexcusable before him , and the Light will pursue them even to Hell , as it did the rich Man when in Hell he lift up his Eyes , Luke 16. 23 , 28. To what our Opposer objects from these Scriptures , Luke 23. 34. John 16. 2. 2 Thess. 2. 11. Mat. 6. 23. Acts 3. 17. 1 Cor. 2. 8. thence inferring against the Infallibility of the Light within , and saying , There can be no such Mistake as our Saviour supposes , ( Mat. 6. 23. ) If the Light within be infallible , and that every Man has it , and that no Man can leave it without knowing of it , p. 174. To all which we Answer , That some Men's Ignorance of their Master's Will , others wrong Thoughts , others being given up to strong Delusion to believe a Lie , others greatly mistaking Darkness for Light ( and then how great is that Darkness of theirs ? ) These can be no Proofs against the Infallibility of the Light it self , nor of the Light within being fallible , but of their own Transgression , Disobedience and Rebellion against the Light ; Who know not the ways of the Light , because they abide not in the Paths of it , Job 24. 13. And though there 's no Sin against the Light or Backsliding from it , without some Conviction at one time or other , yet 't is possible for some to presume to sin , rebel and shut their Eyes so long , until they become stark blind and hardned in sinning and past feeling in Rebellion , and given over to hardness of Heart and to strong Delusion to believe a Lie , and so to Damnation and Destruction ; yet however clouded all this while , the Light in them remains in it self pure , certain , and an infallible swift Witness against the Rebellious , who love Darkness and the Works thereof , rather than the Light which is come into the World. Mens thinking themselves to be in the right when mistaken , p. 174 , 175. ( having their Understandings darkned ) will not destroy all ( or any of ) the Quakers certainty which they have in the true Light , as they believe and walk therein . P. 176 , 177. It was hard for Saul to Kick against the Pricks ; and that is against the Power of Christ , which would be too hard for him , if he strove against it , as is confest : No doubt that Power reached his Conscience when awakened and convicted , consequently those Pricks which that gave him were then in him ; and that Power or Holy Ghost which Stephen's Persecutors and Saul also resisted , ( when he kept their Garments while they stoned him and consented to his Death ) was near them to convict and condemn them for their Persecution and Cruelty , but their Fury , Wrath and Violence , would not permit them to adhere or submit to the strivings thereof , for they always resisted the same Holy Spirit as did their Fathers , Acts 7. 51. Which Resistance of theirs implies the Spirit 's secretly striving with them and giving Counsel against their Wickedness and Cruelty ; for how can there be always a resisting that which either is not , or moves not , or counsels not ? O therefore the same Holy Spirit and Light of it , was in them in some measure moving and striving with them , to persuade , stop and reclaim them from those destructive Courses and Enormities they had chosen . And here we may observe how he excuses the Ministry , where People are not converted by it , he deems it a very bad Argument to blame the Ministry ; for Mens being Evil may proceed from their own Perversness , and not from the Fault of the Ministry , Pref. p. 57. May we not retalliate such Argument for the Light within , That 't is a very bad Argument that the Light within is either insufficient or fallible , because Men are Evil , or blind or mistaken ? Which may proceed from their own Disobedience or Perverseness , and not from any defect or fault in the Light given them . And when Saul thought with himself that he ought to do many things contrary to the Name of Jesus of Nazareth , and was zealous in persecuting and imprisoning the Christians , and exceeding mad against them , Acts 26. 9 , 10. 11. This was in his blind deceived State , when a Follower of the persecuting Priests , and the more blinded by such blind Guides as hate the true Light and oppose it ; For , as Paul saith , I persecuted this way unto the Death , binding and delivering into Prison both Men and Women , Acts 22. 4. For many of the Saints I shut up in Prison , having received Authority of the High Priests , and when they were put to Death , I gave my Sentence , Acts 26. 10. So that the Priests were very ill Instruments to influence and misguide him in Persecution and Cruelty , contrary to the Light ; such his Blindness , Madness and injurious Persecution against the Saints , to Imprisonment and Death , being expresly contrary to the Law of God without them and within them , in Scripture and Conscience . Will any be so blind , as to suppose God did not afford them so much Light , as to shew them such gross Iniquities and Injuries to others who were innocent ? How impertinent and senseless then is the Man's Question , viz. Had Paul then any Pricks of Conscience , or of his Light within against the lawfulness of that wherein he was fully persuaded and zealous ? p. 177. No doubt he had so much Light in him , as would both have prickt him for , and shewn the Unlawfulness of his Persecution and Cruelty against the Saints , if he would have inclined his Mind to it for Counsel , and not to the Priests who encouraged him in Persecution against the Christians , which they persuaded him to , and not the Light. They helped to make him so mad against the Saints as he was ; but Christ the Light , whose Power prickt him , made him wise when converted ; and tho' 't is possible that in his Hurry and Fury to Persecution , he might not at that very instant feel the Pricks of the Light in 's Conscience , yet it swiftly pursued him and seiz'd him , when Christ had wonderfully put a stop to him and his Letters and Errand from the High Priests to persecute the Saints . Tho' the Candle of the Wicked may be many times put out , 't is lighted again . For how oft is the Candle of the Wicked put out ? How oft is Destruction upon him ? If it be often put out , 't is often lighted . And therefore all these things seriously consider'd , we do not see it any hard Matter to make sense of the Quakers Notion ( as he calls it ) of the Light within , nor that this Instance of St. Paul can stand as any irrefragable ( or other ) Proof against it ; or , our Testimony for that true Light which inlightens every Man coming into the World , John 1. 4 , 9. Because many are blinded by the persecuting and covetous Priests , and many shut their Eyes against the Light , and many love Darkness rather than Light , because their Deeds are evil , and the Candle of the Wicked is often put out . But they shall all find it hard to Kick against the Pricks even in their own Consciences , as 't is confessed even in the English Annotation , in the Margin , on Acts 9. 5. It is hard for thee to Kick against the Pricks , i. e. to resist God when he pricketh and soliciteth our Consciences ; therefore such prickings are within . All which truly consider'd , 't is no difficulty to make Sense of the Quaker's Notion ( as he calls it ) of the Light within , p. 178. seeing 't is according to the express Sense of Holy Scripture-Testimony thereof , and the Sense which the Light gives all them that truly regard it , Christ being the Light of the World that inlightens every Man coming into it , that whosoever believe in his Light and follow him the Light , might not abide in Darkness but have the Light of Life , and become Children of the Light. Neither doth our Adversary's Instance of St. Paul ( or others ) stand as any irrefragable Proof against the Light within , or the Quakers Notion of it , as he vainly supposeth , p. 178. Unless it be a good Argument , that because some Men are blind , and others shut their Eyes , there 's no Sun in the Firmament giving Light into their Houses . We find no better Proof or Argument from this Adversary against the Light within , or our Testimony thereof ; and 't is far more difficult to make Sense of his Notion of the Light within , than of our's : For after he has in Words owned and confessed to Divine Illumination or Inspiration of the Holy Spirit , as that Enthusiasm or Inspiration of God , which is allowed and owned in their Church , and that 't is full as much as any sober Quaker can mean by the Light within , Pref. from p. 46. to p. 55 , 56. Another while he 'll have the Light within not Infallible , but Fallible , because of Men's Mistake , who put Darkness for Light , p. 173 , 174. 2d Part. Another while he 'll have the Light within no Light , from Isa. 8. 20. placing this Remark upon it , No Light , George ; mark that , p ▪ 251. But he should have observed the Hebrew Note in the Margin , No Morning , instead of No Light , which I may return upon him . If they speak not according to this Word , it is because there is No Morning to them . No Morning ! Man ; mark that . But is there no Light before Morning , pray ? Now how difficult is it to make Sense of this Man's Notion of the Light within ? One while with him , 'T is a Divine Inspiration ; another while , 'T is Fallible ; another while , No Light : So that one while 't is a divine , good and certain Light ; another while uncertain , not Infallible ; another while 't is nothing , no Light. Thus confusedly and madly Envy and Darkness appears against the true Light. This Adversary , to prove his false , reitterrated black Charge , That the Quakers take to themselves the very Attributes of God ; and make a pretence , from this Light within , to excuse blasphemous Pride , assuming All the Worship due to Christ whom they call this Light , upon the account of his or its Inhabitation in them , p. 178. He refers to G. Whitehoad's Innocency against Envy , p. 18. Sect. 12. in Answer to F. Bugg , viz. As to his Charge of idolatrous if not blasphemous Names and Titles given to G. F. How proves he that they ( i.e. Two Persons in their Letters to him ) gave and intended those Names and Titles to the Person of G. F. &c. This Story , in the first part , is notoriously false , as it affects the Quakers in general . The last part is a blind Story , as 't is intended for Proof of the black Charge before ; those idolatrous Names and Titles are not mentioned , nor any plain Proof of the exact Copies of both those Letters could we ever have . And G. W. has further cleared this Matter in another Answer to F. B. as also in his Just Inquiry , from p. 19. to p. 30. And in behalf of the People called Quakers , we positively and sincerely deny ; 1. That they take to themselves the very Attributes of God. 2. That they excuse blasphemous Pride , as that of assuming all Worship due to Christ , because of his inhabiting in them : These , with Detestation , we solemnly deny . But this Accuser should have looked at home , and at his Brethren of the Clergy , what Honour and Attributes do they give to their Bishops , when they go down upon their Knees to them , as their Reverend Fathers in God , with Your Grace , My Lord , &c. Do these import Divine Honour and Divine Attributes , or Earthly , pray ? And where did ever Christ's Ministers or Apostles , do such Homage to Timothy or Titus , or call either of them my Lord Timothy , or my Lord Titus , and Your Grace , & c ? And what thinks he of Godfathers and Godmothers ? Are not these Divine Attributes , and very high ones too ? And of their being Sureties for Infants , for their forsaking the Devil and all his Works , &c. and keeping God's holy Will and Commandments , &c. Do they not herein take upon them Christ's Office and Work , who is our Surety ? And what Scripture have they for these ? Answer directly . 'T is a notorious Untruth also , That they ( i. e. the Quakers ) allow of divine Honour to the Man Christ Jesus , on no other account than as G. W. allows it to G. Fox ; that is , because of the residing of the divine Word in him , p. 180. We say this is apparently false ; for on divers other Accounts we allow divine Honour ; and far more Honour to the Man Christ Jesus , than to any mortal or finite Creature whatsoever , as in all things Christ Jesus hath the Preheminence , and all Fulness dwelling in him , and all Power in Heaven and Earth committed to him , and were not all the Angels of God to worship him ? And all Men to honour the Son , as they honour the Father ? Therefore this Opposer's blasphemous Consequences drawn against us , from his black Charge aforesaid , As worshipping one another with divine Honour , and not grudging to apply all the Attributes of God to themselves for the Light within sake , &c. p. 181 , 182. with the rest of his Consequences of the same kind , are as false as the other . We desire ever to walk humbly with God in Christ Jesus , in a holy Reverence and Worship to him only , to whom all divine Worship , Glory and Honour is due . In his 13th Sect. Of the Resurrection of the Body . This ( saith he ) the Quakers do positively deny , p. 182. Here he stumbles at the Threshold , and deals disingeniously and falsly with the Quakers . They deny not the Resurrection of the Body , by denying the gross and carnal Notions of our former Adversaries , of the self-same carnal and numerical Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones ; no more than the Apostle denied the Resurrection of the Dead , by affirming , That Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God , neither doth Corruption inherit Incorruption , 1 Cor. 15. For proof That the Quakers do positively deny the Resurrection ; he says , That Mr. Penn makes Nonsense of it ; and worse , he compares it to Transubstantiation , nay , to the Alcoran ; quoting Reason against Railing , 1673. p. 138. which is a plain Perversion , and as false as the Charge it self : For W. Penn does neither make Nonsense of the Resurrection it self , scripturally considered , nor compare it either to Transubstantiation , or to the Alcoran . But T. Hick's gross Belief and Apprehension of a Carnal or Fleshly Resurrection of the self-same Carnal Body ; and yet that it shall be so changed , as to be a spiritual glorious Body , like unto Christ's . This he compares to the Doctrin of Transubstantiation , as the Papists say , That the Bread and Wine , after Conse cration are so changed as to be the very Christ , and yet the Accidents remain ( i.e. of Bread and Wine ) so he can't make better Sense of his Adversary's gross apprehension of the Resurrection of the Body , being or remaining the same carnal Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones that 's buried , and yet changed so as to be a spiritual and glorious Body , like unto Christ's , which was not to deny the Scripture-Doctrin of the Resurrection it self , but rather a carnal Alcoran Notion thereof ; for in the Book quoted Reason against Railing , p. 133. And under the same Head , take W. P.'s plain Confession of the Resurrection in his own Words , against his Adversary , viz. Who can have the Confidence to call the Scripture his Rule , and yet contradict it so egregiously , as when the Apostle tells us , It is not the same Body that is sown that shall be , to assert that it is the same Body ; and that who says the contrary , denies the Resurrection and eternal Recompence , ( which is a very confident Perversion and Opposition to the Apostle's Doctrin . ) In short , we do acknowledge a Resurrection in order to eternal Recompence , and that every Seed shall have its own Body , and rest contented with what Body it shall please God to give us ( who giveth a Body as it pleaseth him , 1 Cor. 15. ) But as we are not such Fools as curiously to enquire what ? so must we for ever deny the gross Conceits of T. H. and his Adherents , &c. And in conclusion of the same Head , Reason against Railing , p. 124. he saith , For our parts a Resurrection we believe , and of Bodies too , unto Eternal Life . What they shall not be , I have briefly said and proved ; what they shall be , we leave with God , who will give every one a Body as it pleaseth him ; and Thou Fool belongs to the unnecessary Medler . Thus 't is evident W. P. did not deny the Resurrection it self , nor count it Nonsense , &c. but the gross Conceits of some Persons about it : Consequently , this Accuser has charged the Quakers as falsly in this Point , as in the rest . And we know not Those others ( among us he tells of ) that suppose the Soul it self is the spiritual Body mentioned , 1 Cor. 15. 44. and consequently that there is no other Resurrection than at each particular Persons death , p. 184. We know none in our Society hold or suppose these things ; but the contrary , that the Soul of every Person shall be invested with its own proper spiritual Body , in the general Resurrection and last Day . And besides , the true Believers being quicken'd and raised out of the Fall in Adam , unto Life , Righteousness and Victory , in and by Jesus Christ ( who is the Resurrection and the Life ) . Three things are also observable in that 1 Cor. 15. The Apostle argues , 1. for the Resurrection of the Dead , from the Resurrection of Christ , against some that said , There is no Resurrection of the Dead . 2. He argues against some , and reprehends them as Fools that questioned How the Dead are raised , and with what Bodies do they come forth ? From the Wheat and other Grain that 's sown , and the difference between the Celestial and Terrestrial Bodies , and the Natural Body and the Spiritual . 3. For those Saints that shall remain alive at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ to raise the Dead , that they shall be changed in a moment , at the sounding of the last Trumpet of God : It 's evident that the Apostle Paul fully answers both those that said there is No Resurrection of the Dead , and also those Fools that question With what Body do they come forth ? And asserts the sudden change of those who shall remain alive until the coming of the Lord from Heaven . So that the Resurrection of the Dead , and final change of the Living , so as the Corruptible must put on Incorruption , and the Mortal shall put on Immortality . As this Doctrin was really believed by the Primitive Christians , so it is by us , who believe that God raised up Jesus from the Dead ; and therefore the Dead , both the Just and Unjust , shall be raised by Jesus Christ according to Scripture , whatever Prejudice may suggest to the contrary . But our Adversary will needs have it , That Mr. Penn does understand that long and elegant Description of the Resurrection of our Bodies , from the 35th Verse of the 15th Chap. of the first Epist. to the Corinthians , Only of the spiritual state of the Soul in this Life ; and for it quotes , The Invalidity of John Faldoe's Vindication , 1673. p. 373 , & p. 369. He wrongs W. P. in this , i. e. That he understands that long and elegant Description of the Resurrection , ( 1 Cor. 15. 35. to the end . ) Only of the spiritual state of the Soul in this Life . I say this is a Perversion and Abuse of W. P.'s Discourse in the Case ; for on verse 44. he utterly denies that this Text is concerned in the Resurrection of Man's carnal Body ; shewing , according to Beza , both from the Latin and Original Greek , that a natural Body is sown , a spiritual Body is raised ; that there 's not a Word in either for the Relative It , Inval. p. 369. And in p. 373. W. P. supposing the Apostle treated of a natural Change , and not only of the spiritual state of the Soul in this Life . This Supposition is not to understand the Apostle Paul to treat only of the spiritual state of the Soul in this Life , in that 1 Cor. 15. from v. 35. For in the place quoted , it is by the Accused confessed , That tho' we sow not the Body which shall be , God giveth a Body as it pleaseth him , from 1 Cor. 15. 37 , 38. 'T is observable , That W. P. ( in his Answer to T. Hicks and John Faldoe quoted ) is not so unnatural as not to allow the sanctified Soul a suitable Clothing or Mansion , ( when the earthly Tabernacle is dissolved ) which is eternal in the Heavens , according to 2 Cor. 5. 1. wherein it is undoubtedly happy , being in perfect Peace and Rest with God in Christ Jesus ; but he also allows it a spiritual , celestial , glorious Body in the Resurrection , far excelling the Terrestrial . And we doubt not but we shall be the same ( and as many ) distinct Souls , Men ( or Persons ) in the Resurrection as we are now , though far better Clothed with our spiritual glorious Bodies , we hope . The Premises consider'd , 't is evident our Accuser has as actually wronged us in this Point , even in Matter of Fact by Perversion , as in his saying , The Quakers have spiritualiz'd away all the Body and the Being of Christ into their Light within , p. 195. which is all a notorious Untruth , and answered before . To his Stories , 1. Of a Quaker Preacher , to whom he urging for a proof of the Resurrection , Mat. 27. 52 , 53. That many Bodies of Saints arose and came out of the Graves after Christ's Resurrection , and went into the Holy City and appeared unto many ; That he made this Answer , That was not meant of the literal or earthly Jerusalem ; that any dead Bodies arose there , but of the spiritual Jerusalem which John saw coming down from Heaven . 2. And that others told him , They heard the same Exposition in a Quaker Sermon at one of their Meetings , p. 196. Answ. We know not any Preacher among us that gave such Meaning or Interpretation to the said Text , neither do we own it . And we have reason to question the truth of these Stories . 3. He says , He can tell of a Preacher among the Quakers that said , He had already obtain'd the Resurrection by Christ , having risen in his Heart ; and that he believed no other Resurrection , nor expected any , p. 198. We question the Truth of this Story also , in the last part of it , viz. That he believed no other , nor expected any than Christ risen in him , and this also of no other we disown ; for as truly as we own Christ risen in us ( and we in him from Sin and Condemnation ) so truly do we believe and expect to be raised up by him in the last Day , above all Corruption and Mortality ; we being raised in Christ from Sin here , we shall be raised by him to Glory hereafter . And therefore are not of the Opinion of Hymeneus and Phyletus , who said , That the Resurrection is past , ( or made ) already , 2 Tim. 2. 18. For that Resurrection which Paul ( in his converted state when risen with Christ ) had not attained , Phil. 3. 11 , 12. we do believe and expect as yet to come after this Life , and at the last Day . Another Accusation is , That G. F. says plainly in these Words , There 's none have a Glory and a Heaven but within them ( leaving out what follows ) which was before Man had a Being , Gr. Myst. p. 214. This is intended of what the Saints have and enjoy in this Life , in the Present Tense , ( and not of that more full attainment in that which is to come ) who have and enjoy the indwelling of God and Christ , as their God and their Glory according to his Promise , having of this excellent Treasure in their Earthen Vessels , according to their measures of degrees of attainment , being changed from Glory to Glory ( from one degree of Glory to another ) as by the Spirit of God. There 's no doubt but all true and spiritual Believers , who are dead with Christ , and whose Life is hid with Christ in God , when Christ who is their Life shall at last appear , they shall appear with him in Glory , Col. 3. Yea , in far more Glory than 's here attainable in a mortal State. Though we are now the Sons of God , yet it appears not what we shall then be ; but when Christ appears we shall be like him , for we shall see him as he is , 1 John. 3. 2. Heaven , which is God's Throne and Dwelling-place , is no doubt so spacious , and the Heavens which declare his Glory so wonderfully extensive , that we cannot suppose they should all be contain'd in the narrow compass of our Hearts , though our Conversation be now in Heaven , and we come to a heavenly state in Christ Jesus . Therefore we do not confine all our expected Attainments of Heaven and Glory to within us in this Life , but the way to attain more thereof in that which is to come , is to partake of some share thereof in Christ Jesus , even in this Life , and where Christ is enjoy'd , there Heaven and Glory is in measure spiritually enjoy'd , there being spiritual and inward Heavens , as well as natural and outward . Note , For the spirituality of the Resurrection , Bodies , and the nature of the Body of Christ after his Resurrection and Ascension , Our Opposer may peruse H. Moor's Search into the nature of a glorified Body , Apol. ch . 3. p. 494. Of his Modest Enquiry into the Mystery of Iniquity . And compare the same with what we have written on that Subject , and then let our Opposer answer him , having been a Doctor of his own Church , and Philosopher also of Repute in Cambridge , &c. As to his 14th Sect. Of the Sacraments , ( as he terms them ) but without Scripture-proof of the Term Sacrament , as applied to the outward Elements , Signs or Shadows , which end in Christ the Substance , who livingly represents himself beyond them , by his Spirit in the Hearts and Souls of spiritual Believers , who have attained unto the spiritual Communion of the Body and Blood of Christ , and to partake of his spiritual Supper with him , Rev. 3. 10. The difference between us and our Accuser in this Point , is about the Text , 1 Cor. 11. 26. of shewing forth the Lord's Death till he come , as he says By the Celebration of his last Supper , Whether this coming of Christ be spiritually in our Hearts , or at the Resurrection at the last Day , which ends the time limited for the Celebration thereof ? We believe it of the first ( if that may be owned as any real coming of Christ ) He of the last . His Reason is , That Christ was so come in the Hearts of the Holy Apostles and of the purest Primitive Christians . The Apostle's condescending to divers Things that were Shadows and Figures for sometime ; it follows not that therefore , we are bound to imitate them in all things they did . Neither were the Corinthians the purest of Primitive Christians when Paul writ his first Epistle to them ; nor had they then so far attained to the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ , as to confirm and make them blameless as in his Day , but then waited for such his coming , 1 Cor. 1. for there were divers Disorders among them , and many of them carnal and walked as Men. And therefore they were not then of the purest of Christians ; though they had good Gifts , yet they had then great need to wait for the coming of Christ to make them better , to bring them into a blameless state . The Apostles themselves were come to higher Attainments in Christ Jesus , which they laboured to bring their Hearers to , as is evident from Paul's desiring That the Corinthians might not be ignorant how that all the Fathers , who were baptized unto Moses in the Cloud and in the Sea , did all eat the same spiritual Meat and drink of the spiritual Rock which followed them or went with them , which Rock was Christ , 1 Cor. 10. And told them the Cup of Blessing which we bless , is it not the Communion of the Blood of Christ ? And the Bread which we break , it is not the Communion of the Body of Christ ? For we being many are One Bread and One Body , being all Partakers of the One Bread , ver . 16 , 17. and doubtless the knowledge of this Mystery was what he received of the Lord , which was above the Sign , Shadow or Figure thereof . Yet 't is not to be questioned , but there was a good Intention in the first Proposal and Practice of those outward Memorials of Christ's Death among the Corinthians , in the capacity they stood in , to remember and shew forth Christ's Death thereby , until they knew and had more of his Life to shew forth , in a holy and unblameable State and Conversation in the Day of the Lord Jesus Christ , for whose spiritual coming they waited , for that end , 1 Cor. 1. 6 , 7 , 8. And also that they might flee from Idolatry and keep out of it , and forbear eating in the Idols Temple , which he warned them against . As to Christ's Celebration of his last Supper , 't is strange that should be so much urg'd as obligatory upon us , until Christ's last coming again at the Resurrection in the last Day ; seeing we find none of the Urg●rs thereof so much as in a true imitation of the last Supper of Christ , where he eat the legal Passover with his Disciples , according to his own appointment , this part of the Supper being laid aside as Jewish , fulfilled and ended by Christ. And therefore to us that last Supper of Christ appears to be a Consummation and fulfilling of the Jewish solemn Feasts , under the Law , * as John's Baptism was , of the divers legal Washings ( or Baptisms ) imposed , until the time of Reformation , when Christ blotted out and nailed the Hand-writing of Ordinances to his Cross. After which , they were not legally obligatory , though condescended unto for a Season , by reason of the Weakness of divers , and Respect many had unto them in the Churches Infancy . And tho' too many now are very formal and superstitious in those outward Observations and Shadows , laying so much stress for Salvation upon them that they neglect the Substance ; yet others being more conscientiously tender in the observation thereof , we are the more tender to these , so as not to censure or condemn them meerly for practising that which they believe is their Duty , either in breaking of Bread or Water Baptism , yet desire they may see further , and come under that higher and evangelical Dispensation of the spiritual Communion and Bread of Life , and Cup of Blessing from Heaven ( which can only nourish the Soul unto eternal Life ) and of the spiritual Baptism of Christ , which only is the Soul 's sanctifying and saving Baptism ; so that this One Baptism and this One Bread , which is the Substance , they may livingly partake of unto eternal Life . We do hitherto want Proof that Paul either received of the Lord the Bread and the Cup , or the real Supper of the Lord in the Figure or Type ( but the Mystery thereof ; ) or that to observe the Figure was an Institution of Christ to continue in the spiritual Church : And tho' he fulfilled the Command of the Passover at his Supper , we have no reason to think that was his own Institution to continue in the Christian Church , no more than the Passover , Legal Offerings , Circumcision , &c. We confess , That the neglect and abuse of the Holy Mystery , p. 207. ( which is the Substance , Christ the living Bread ) did and doth incur Damnation and grievous Diseases , as among the Corinthians ; He that eateth and drinketh unworthily , eateth and drinketh Damnation to himself , not discerning he Lord's Body , 1 Cor. 11. 29. If you rest or stick in the Shadow , and neglect the Substance or Mystery , so as you discern not the Lord's Body , you discern not that whereby your Souls should live and be nourished unto eternal Life : 'T is Matter of Condemnation , you are but eating and drinking Damnation to your selves . The main end and drift of the Apostles labouring with and writing to them at Corinth , was to bring them to Life and Substance to the spiritual Rock , the spiritual Meat and Drink , which is Christ , 1 Cor. 10. 14 , 15 , 16 , 17. & 2 Cor. 13. 5. that they might be blameless in his Day ; which 't is evident the outward Figure or Shadow did not bring them to , but they were blameable , and blamed for the Carnality , Divisions and Disorders which were among them , 1 Cor. 3. 1 , 3. Now as to the outward Supper , so little being said for it by our Opposer , we are not willing to enlarge or enter into any strict Controversie about that Subject ; but for further Explanation , refer him to what our deceased Friend Robert Barclay has writ upon it , in his Apology , from p. 493 to p. 514. And if we were convinced that it is our Duty to receive Bread and Wine as an outward Memorial of Christ's Death , we should never own this our Accuser ( who has shamefully reproached us ) or any such Enemies , to be our Administrators , nor hold Communion with them . For Baptism , he alledges Mat. 28. 20. Go teach all Nations , baptizing them . — And here the Man breaks , leaving out , In the Name of the Father , and the Son , and the Holy Ghost ; and then brings in , And lo I am with you alway , even unto the end of the World : Taking it for granted , that this Commission must intend Water Baptism ; and the continuance thereof , as well as Teaching or Preaching , even unto the End of the World. Hence saying , They ( i. e. Christ's ministerial Officers ) indeed were impowered , as John , to baptize with Water , p. 205. But is this Adversary really for John's Baptism , or for baptizing as John did ? He 's not express nor plain in this Point . Tho' he would seem an eminent Advocate for the Church of England , we may greatly question his Sincerity herein . If under this Pretext he means Infants Baptism , or Sprinkling them , he should not take up the Anabaptist's Arguments for that which they oppose as a scriptureless Thing , and at the same time deem them Schismaticks , Enthusiasts , and number them among the various Sects set up by Rome , under universal Tolleration , as before , p. 17 , 18. 2d Part. He 's very disingenuous in this as well as in many other Things : He should have plainly told us what Baptism he aims at ; and who the Subjcts of it , whether Infants or Believers ; before he had either upbraided or threatned us for the neglect of it . However , pray observe the great Stress he lays upon this outward Baptism with Water , viz. That it was an Ordinance instituted as a means of Grace , whereby the inward Baptism with the Holy Ghost was conveyed ; therefore the Form appointed , of admission into the Society of the Church , and thereby giving a Title to all the Privileges and Promises annexed to it , p. 206. whereby Persons are daily baptized into Christ's death , p. 209. And tells us of Outward Signs and Seals , Pledges and Means of Grace , which he judges the Enemy has deluded Men into a neglect of . Now observe , 1. He makes Water-Baptism ( whether of Infants or Believers he resolves not ) not only an Institution , but a Means of Grace , whereby the inward Baptism of the Holy Ghost is conveyed . 2. Such a Form appointed of admission into the Church , as giveth a Title to all the Privileges and Promises , &c. 3. That 't is the Baptism into Christ's Death . 4. A Seal , Pledge and Means of Grace . In all which he does but upon his own Authority impose upon the Reader , without Scripture-proof : And his Impositions herein are liable to many Exceptions . 1. They suppose all Persons under Grace and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost , who are come under Water-Baptism , without Exception of Infants or others ; when the contrary is evident in many wicked Persons , and even in Simon Magus the Sorcerer , who was baptized and yet wicked ; and wanting the Gift and Baptism of the Holy Ghost , would have bought it for Mony , Acts 8. 2. It also supposes all to be void of Grace , and of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost , and of the Promises , who are not baptized with Water ; consequently , that many thousands are Damned because they are not so baptized : Which is highly uncharitable . 3. We deny that by Water-Baptism Men are baptized either into Christ's Death , Body or Church ; or that 't is a Seal or Pledge of Grace : For 't is by one Spirit that true Believers are baptized unto Christ , and into Christ's Death , and into One Body ; there being One Faith and One Baptism , which is that of the Spirit 's , which is the Soul 's saving Baptism , typified by that of Water . See 1 Cor. 12. 13. Rom. 6. 3 , 4. Gal. 3. 27. Ephes. 4. 5. 1 Pet. 3. 21. In the next place we may observe , this censorious , uncharitable Man will not allow Christ's Commission , Mat. 28 ▪ 19. To intend spiritual Baptism , or the Baptism of the Holy Ghost ; because he saith , Christ only is he who could baptize with the Holy Ghost . To say that Man could bestow God ( which the Holy Ghost is ) is the highest Blasphemy , p. 203 , 204. And further to aggravate the Matter against us , he saith , If the Quakers Interpretation of Mat. 28. 19. do hold , it will follow that the Apostles and their Successors , have power to baptize with the Holy Ghost ; which is Blasphemy . Reply , He is highly mistaken in his superlative Charge of Blasphemy in this Case ; for if our Interpretation of the Text does hold , That Christ's Apostles and Ministers had Power given them by him ( being present with them even in his own Work ) to baptize with the Spirit , as well as to convert Men to God ; then our Interpretation isd not Blasphemy , because it holds . This severe Judge against us is quite out here : For tho' Christ be the great and efficient Cause both of giving and baptizing with the Spirit , yet his true Ministers , who were indued with his divine Power , were instrumental in his Work of baptizing with the Spirit , yea , and of ministring the Spirit , and he was with them in his own Work ; Lo , I am with you always to the end of the World , saith he ; What for ? To enable them to baptize with Water . No , that many can do without him , or the least sense of his Presence ; but lo Christ was with them to impower them to Go teach all Nations , baptizing them into the Name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost . It is not Go teach , and then baptize them with Water ; but Go teach all Nations , baptizing them , &c. There was a divine and spiritual Baptism , immediately attending ( and present with ) their Ministry , ( and it was to such as were docible too , and not to Infants who are not capable of Teaching ; ) and this spiritual Presence of Christ and his Baptism , accompanying their Ministry , is evident according to St. Peter's own Relation , Acts 11. 15 , 16. And AS I began to speak , the Holy Ghost fell on them that heard , even as upon us at the beginning . Then I remembred the Word of the Lord , how he said , John baptized with Water , but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost . What 's more plain , than that here was Teaching and Baptizing with the Holy Ghost , accompanying his Ministry ? Query , But were Christ's Apostles instrumental in ministring the Spirit ? Yes , they being Ministers of the Spirit , and not of the Letter . See Gal. 3. 2. Received ye the Spirit by the Works of the Law , or by the hearing of Faith preached ? And ver . 5. He therefore that ministreth to you the Spirit , and worketh Miracles among you , doth he it through the Works of the Law , or by the hearing of Faith preached ? Their Speech and Preaching being not in the enticing Words of Man's Wisdom , but in plain Evidence of the Spirit and of Power , that the Faith of the Hearers might not stand in the Wisdom of Men , but in the Power of God , 1 Cor. 2. 4 , 5. For ( said he ) our Gospel was not unto you in Word only , but also in Power , and in the Holy Ghost , and in much Assurance , 1 Thes. 1. 5. But contrarywise , this imposing Judge has promoted Water-Baptism above the spiritual , powerful Ministry of the Gospel . He 'll have the spiritual Baptism to go along with that of Water , duly administred and received ( as he saith p. 205. ) But by no means will he allow the spiritual Baptism to go along with the Gospel Ministry or Teaching , as commanded Mat. 28. 19. No by no means , that he deems Blasphemy ; which bewrays his no small Ignorance both of the Scriptures and of the Power of God and true Gospel-Ministry in this case ; and therefore he 'll not allow Inward Baptism to supersede the Outward : Though John Baptist , who had a peculiar Commission for the Outward , allowed it , he preferred and exalted Christ's Baptism above his own , saying , He must increase , but I must decrease , John 3. 30 I indeed baptize you with Water unto Repentance , ( or amendment of Life ) but he that cometh after me is mightier than I , whose Shoes I am not worthy to bear ; he will baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with Fire , Mat. 3. 11. Mark 1. 8 , Luke 3. 16. John 1. 26 , 27. That John as to this his outward Ministry of Baptism should decrease , implies not an immediate or present end thereof , upon the entrance of Christ's Dispensation or Baptism , but that John's should gradually decrease and wear out as Christ's Ministry and Baptism do encrease and grow , as the Heat of Fire or Sun dries up the Water , and causes it to decrease by Degrees , and not suddenly all at once . For John and his Ministry being of great esteem with many both Jews and Greeks ( no doubt ) his Baptism was condescended unto and allowed , when the Apostles were gathering divers of the Churches of Christ to a higher Ministry . And that this of John's Baptism was an Act of Condescention and not of Commission to the Apostles , Paul is very plain in this case , 1 Cor. 1. 14 , 15 , 16. after he saith , I thank God that I baptized none of you , but Crispus and Gaius , lest any should say that I had baptized in my own Name . I baptized also the Houshold of Stephanus , &c. He gives a more general Reason for his thanking God he baptized no more , ver . 17. For Christ sent me NOT to baptize , but to preach the Gospel , &c. And doubtless Paul's Commission from Christ was as large and extensive as any of the Apostles had ; therefore their Commission in Mat. 28. 19 was not to baptize with Water , but with the Spirit , wherein their Gospel Ministry came . His supposing that If the inward Baptism must supersede the Outward , then must Inward Teaching , p. 203. This supposes the outward Baptism of equal Authority with Teaching or Preaching the Gospel , and as necessary to continue , which we do not believe ; yet we deny not but the inward and immediate Teaching of the Holy Spirit is more excellent and permanent than the Outward , as the Holy Spirit is the Original and Spring from whence the true outward Ministry arises and flows , and unto which it leads ; and the more People come to know an Introversion and joining of their Minds to the Inward , the less need they 'll have of the Outward , though we bless God for both . But how proves this Adversary , That the visible Representation of the Lord's death , by the Bread broken and the Wine poured forth , and also Water-Baptism , are the Body or outward part of Religion which ( he saith ) the Devil has stolen from us ; so that the Soul soon disappeared , and left a noisome Carcass of Religion ? p. 209 , 210. What a strange , confused Whimsie is this ? How has the Devil stolen from them the Body of Religion , and left a noisome Carcass behind ? 'T is more likely that he has stolen away the Soul of Religion from them , or rather their Minds from it ; and left them only a Carcass behind● who are so much doting about and even idolizing the Shadow ( which is far short of the Body of true Religion ) and neglecting the Life , Soul and Substance thereof ; so that their outward Observations are dead , empty and fruitless , as those Observers are who are void of Christian Humility , Love or Charity . Those repeated known Falshoods , 1. That Christ's outward dying and shedding of his Blood , many of the Quakers have turn'd to mean nothing but his spiritual Suffering within us , &c. 2. To spiritualize AWAY the literal Humanity and Sufferings of Christ , p. 208 , 209. These Falshoods being fully answer'd and denied by us already , we need but persist in our Negation thereof . To conclude this Head of Baptism with an Argument or two from the Terms of the Commission , Mat. 28. Go teach all Nations , baptizing them in the Name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost . Arg. 1. If the Commission intended baptizing them with Water , then the Apostles must have followed and used the Terms of the Commission in the Execution thereof , to manifest their Authority for it . But they did not follow nor use the Terms of the Commission in baptizing with Water ; therefore , that Baptism was not intended in the Commission . The first part of the Argument is undeniable , from the Sanction and Authority of the Commission it self , which is expresly , Go teach all Nations , baptizing them in ( or into ) the Name of the Father , and of the Son and Holy Ghost . The second part of the Argument is prov'd by the following . Arg. 2 ▪ Christ's Apostles and Ministers did Teach and Preach in the Name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost ; but they did not Baptize with Water in the Name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost ; Therefore baptizing with Water was not intended in that Commission . The second Proposition is proved by their baptizing only in the Name of the Lord , or in the Name of the Lord Jesus , when they baptized with Water as John did . We do not find in all the Acts or other Scripture , that the Name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost , were used by any of the Apostles of Christ in baptizing with Water . Let him peruse W. DELL's 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Or , The Doctrin of Baptisms ; and T. Lawson's 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Or , A Treatise concerning Baptisms : Whereunto is added , A Discourse concerning the Supper , Bread and Wine , called the Communion . To his 15th Sect. Concerning the Satisfaction of Christ. Herein ( he saith ) the Quakers are direct Socinians ; for they positively deny the Satisfaction . Here he stumbles at the Threshold again ; this is a positive Untruth in Fact. They are neither Socinians , nor do they deny the Satisfaction of Christ it self ; for God was ever well pleased and so satisfied in his dear , innocent Son , but never with Sinners continuing in their Sins . That therefore which we deny , is the Vnscriptural , Sin-pleasing and Sinner-soothing Notions of our former Adversaries about it , as that of Christ suffering under Vindictive Justice , from the Father , and making such a rigid and strict Satisfaction and Payment in our Stead ; thereby to acquit and justifie the guilty Offender , though persisting in Sin all his Days . This Notion of Satisfaction , as severely and rigidly stated , as vindictive upon the dear Son of God , and thus indulging to Sinners , both the Quakers , and even a Bishop of the Church of England , have opposed . 'T is also such a Notion of a rigid Satisfaction and strict Payment , held as a Notion of Law , in the strictest and severest Sense , that W. P. opposeth God's Compassion unto , in pardoning Iniquity , passing by Transgression and Sin , and forgiving our Trespasses ( which we ever own to be for Christ's sake , but upon true Faith and Repentance ) from these Scriptures , Mica 7. 18. Mat. 6. 12 , 14. & ch . 18 ▪ Therefore this Adversary mistakes and misrepresents W. P. in this Point , as blaspheming and arguing against the Satisfaction of Christ , p. 212 , 213. when he argues against that kind of Satisfaction held ( as a rigid Notion of Law ) that admits not of Forgiveness of Sins past ; which we consess Christ's Sufferings and Sacrifice has made way for , upon true Repentance on the Offenders part , which Christ's great Sufferings ( under the Burthen of the World's Iniquities ) do call for , and require universally of them . And as to the Praise of the great Love and Grace of God to Mankind , we must confess , that it was by the same Grace Christ tasted Death for every Man , and was really an Offering and a Sacrifice of a sweet smelling Savour to God , Ephes. 5. 2. and our only Mediator ; and in that Sense sincerely own what was really his Satisfaction to the Father , to stay the Execution of his Wrath and obtain our Pardon , giving us Repentance by his Light and Grace in our Hearts , yet such a kind of rigid Satisfaction and strict Payment to vindictive or revenging Justice , as if God poured out his just Indignation or Wrath ( merited by Sinners ) upon his innocent Son ( as some of our Adversaries have affirmed no less . ) This we confess we cannot reconcile either to God's divine Justice or Mercy , or to Christ's Mediation and Intercession for Transgressors . And little short of this , is our present Adversary's Notion , That Justice cannot remit the least Farthing , else it were not Justice ; speaking of divine Justice even of God , as being not only just , but Justice it self in the Abstract , the highest and most adequate Notion of Justice , p. 214. All which duly considered , borders upon the most rigid and extream Notion of Satisfaction ; as if divine Justice ( i. e. God himself in his Sense ) could not remit the least Farthing , but Christ must strictly pay every Farthing of the Debt of Offenders ; whereas there is a divine Justice or Righteousness ( that 's truly Evangelical ) which is declared in the Forgiveness of Sins that are past , through the forbearance of God , Rom. 3. 25. and ver . 26. to shew at this time his Righteousness ; that he might be Just , and the Justifier of him that believeth in Jesus . It was for this end that God set forth his Son Jesus Christ , to be a Propitiation through Faith in his Blood , to declare his Rightoousness for the remission of Sins past , &c. Wherefore the Quakers do not make one of God's Attributes fight with or conquer the other , nor one to subdue and beat down the other ; or his Justice to quit the Field to his Mercy ; as is ignorantly and unjustly suggested , to make us guilty of great Nonsense and Blasphemy , p. 214 , 215 , 216. For all God's Attributes in himself are in Concord , Union and Harmony ; and in his Creatures concur and agree , in order to its Reconcilation to himself ; as when he brings Man to taste of his Justice and Displeasure for Sin , it 's still in Mercy , to humble him by his Chastisement and Judgment unto Repentance , that he may find Mercy , so as Judgment and Mercy may meet in the same Soul. And God's Wisdom is truly magnified in finding out the means of our Redemption , by our great and only Mediator Jesus Christ , through his Mediation , Suffering , Sacrifice and Attonement ▪ and his Goodness and Mercy are equally magnified , in affording those means : But this proves not that adequate Satisfaction to vindictive Justice , which our Adversaries have contended for . And tho' we sincerely own Jesus Christ as we ought to do , both for our Example , Intercessor , Light and Teacher ; yet this is not all our Notion , or rather Knowledge , wherein we receive him ; neither do we in these , deny the necessity of his Death , or exclude any rational account thereof , as is unduly supposed , p. 216. For there was great reason for Christ's Death and Sacrifice for Sinners ( because all in Adam were dead and under Condemnation ) that they might live by and unto him , so as to be truly capable of really knowing and owning Christ Jesus , in Spirit , Life and Power ; and in all his Offices and Works , both as King , High priest and Prophet , our great Mediator , Example , Captain , Leader ; Light and Law-giver . But to draw towards a Conclusion of this point of Satisfaction , seeing 't is so numbly and impertinently stated by our present Antagonist , let us observe a little further how rigidly and severely he states it , to the Dishonour of God , divine Justice it self , and his beloved Son. He first puts the Queston . What room then is there for God's Mercy ? If he be all Justice , where is his Mercy ? Then he Answers : God's Attributes do not fight or contradict one another , they magnifie and exalt one another . ( True thus far ; but how ? ) Thus God's Justice is magnified , in that it exacts full and adequate Satisfaction , paid to God's Justice for our Sins , in the Sacrifice and Death of Christ ; which because of his divine Nature , was full and adequate Satisfaction . And by his humane Nature , the Satisfaction was paid by the same Nature , which offended , p. 214 , 215. All which considered , this is to assert Satisfaction as a Notion of Law ( as Dr. Owen call'd it ) in the highest , rigid and most severe Sense exacted ▪ that any of the Prebyterians , &c. have asserted it . And to save us the Labour of drawing the Consequences and Answers here , we may here ( I hope without Offence ) give him a Recitation of a more ingenuous Person 's Answer ( and Objection against this Notion ) than himself , namely , Dr. Stilling fleet , ( since Bishop of Worcester ) in his Discourse concerning the true Reason of the Sufferings of Christ ; pages 269 , 270. Printed 1669. Out of which take the following Discourse , viz. The state of the Controversy hath been rendred more obscure by the Mistakes of some , who have managed it with greater Zeal than Judgment ; they have shot over their Adversary's Heads , and laid their own more open to Assaults . It is easie to observe , That most of Socinus his Arguments are levelled against an Opinion , which few who have considered those things do maintain , and none need to think themselves obliged to do it ; which is , That Christ paid a proper and rigid Satisfaction for the Sins of Men , considered under the Notion of Debts , and that he paid the very same which we ought to have done ; which in the Sense of the Law is never called Satisfaction , but strict Payment . Against this Socinus disputes , from the impossibility of Christ's paying the very same that we were to have paid , because our Penalty was eternal Death . And that as the consequence of inherent Guilt , which Christ neither did nor could undergo . If a Mediator could have paid the same , then the Gospel had not been the bringing in of a better Covenant , but a performance of the old , p. 271. But if there be a Relaxation or Dispensation of the first Law , then it necessarily follows , that what Christ paid was not the very same which the first Law required ; for what need of that , when the very same was paid that was in the Obligation ? But if it be said , That the Dignity of the Person makes up what wanted in the kind or degree of Punishment ; this is a plain Confession , that it is not the same , &c. Besides , if the very same had been paid in the strict Sense , there would have followed A Deliverance , ipso facto , for the Release immediately follows the Payment of the same ; and it had been Injustice to have required any thing further in order to the Discharge of the Offender , when strict and full Payment had been made of what was in the Obligation . But we see that Faith and Repentance , and the Consequences of those Two are made Conditions on our parts , in order to the enjoying the Benefit of what Christ hath procured , so that the Release is not immediate upon the Payment , &c. P. 272. We are to consider that these very Persons assert , That Christ paid all for us , and in our Name and Stead , so that the Payment by Christ was by a Substitution in our room : And if he paid the same which the Law required , the Benefit must immediately accrue to those in whose Name the Debt was paid ; for what was done in the Name of another , is all one to the Creditor as if it had been done by the Debtor himself . But above all things it is impossible to reconcile the freeness of Remission with the full Payment , &c. Neither will it serve to say , That though it was not free to Christ , yet it was to us , for the Satisfaction and Remission must respect the same Person ; for Christ did not pay for himself , but for us ; neither could the Remission be to him , &c. It is impossible the same Debt should be fully paid and freely forgiven , much less will it avoid the Difficulty in this Case to say , That it was a refusable Payment ; for it being supposed to be the very same , it was not in Justice refusable , &c. p. 173. But this whole Opinion is built upon a Mistake , That Satisfaction must be the Payment of the very same ; which while they contend for , they give our Adversaries too great advantage , and make them think they triumph over the Faith of the Church , when they do it only over the Mistake of some particular Persons . But the Foundation of this Mistake lies in the Consideration of Punishment , under the Notion of Debts ; and That Satisfaction therefore must be by strict Payment in Rigor of Law. But how great that Mistake is , will appear in the subsequent Discourse . Thus far the Citation . The subsequent Discourse he mentions , is from p. 273 , 274. to the end of the said Discourse of the Sufferings of Christ. Now I would advise our Accuser to compare his Notion of a full and adequate Satisfaction paid to God's Justice ( which he has told us cannot remit the least Farthing ) with the aforesaid Discourse , and then see how he 'll reconcile his Notion thereunto . In Sect. 16. Concerning the Holy Trinity , he saith : The Quakers and Socinians acknowledge a Three , but deny a Trinity ; which is to confess the same Thing in English , and to deny it in Latin ; for Trinitas is only Latin for Three . He mistakes the Quakers : They do not deny the Three either in Latin or English , but really own the holy , divine Three in Heaven ; tho' their being rendred distinct and separate Persons , by some of our former Adversaries , we have conscientiously questioned , as unscriptural Terms . Our Adversary adds , They cannot tell what Three they are , if not Three Persons , p. 219. This is a Mistake ; we can safely tell what to call them in Scripture Language : That they are Three that bear Record , or Three witnessing , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , ( i. e. Witnesses ) in Heaven , the Father , the Word and the Holy Ghost , and these Three are One , John 1. 5. These are the Father , Son and Holy Spirit , which are essentially One , or One in the Divine Being . Our Adversary further saith : The Quakers , who own the Divinity of Christ , are under greater Difficulties than the Socinians , who deny the Divinity of Christ , p. 219. 'T is well he now grants the Quakers own the Divinity of Christ : But how well this agrees with much of his Book against us , let the serious Reader judge . And we know no Difficulties we are under herein : The Man imagins , and would obtrude Difficulties upon us , from his own Terms , which are none of ours ; as that there is but One Person in the Godhead ; which are none of our Words . Much less his Muggletonian Consequence , That God died , and that Christ was his own Father to whom he pray'd upon the Cross. We know no real occasion given by the Quakers , for him to draw such Absurdities upon them , or to be afraid of such Distinctions and Salvo's at the bottom of the Quaker-pretences , as impertinently he prates against them , exposing his pretended Fears instead of Proofs . And what if G. F. opposed Chr. Wade's calling The Holy Ghost a Person ? And if he said , The Scriptures do not tell the People of Three Persons , & c ? And yet confessing the Father , Son and Holy Spirit to be always One ? Does it follow , That the Quakers do not acknowledge that there were Three in Heaven before Christ was born , as ( he saith ) it seems ? p. 220. And then to aggravate the Matter against G. F. That he means One Person , as Muggleton does , p. 220. What if the Quakers think the Term Three Persons , too low an Epithite or Character to put upon the most Glorious , Blessed Three that bear Record in Heaven ? Can they be to blame herein ? When they aim at giving more Honour to them , in a true Scripture sense , than they think the Term Persons imports , yet still owning the Holy , Divine Three in Heaven , and that they were before Christ was born ; contrary to what 's unduly suggested against us . For the Father , the Word and Holy Spirit , were concerned both in Divine Wisdom , Power and Goodness , in forming , preserving and governing both the Old Creation and the New ; By the Word of the Lord were the Heavens made , and all the Host of them by the Spirit of his Mouth , Psal. 33. 6. So here 's the Divine , Holy Three forming and compleating the first Creation . And the Gospel was commanded to be preached in the Name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost , that Men might truly believe and know the Work of God by his dear Son and Holy Spirit , unto their everlasting Salvation , Peace and Comfort . For God so loved the World , that he hath given his only begotten Son , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish , but have everlasting Life , John 3. 16. And Jesus answered and said , If any Man love me he will keep my Word , and my Father will love him ; and we will come unto him , and will dwell with him , John 14. 23. And ver . 26. The Comforter , which is the Holy Ghost , whom the Father will send in my Name , he shall teach you all things , and bring all things to your remembrance , which I have told you . And Ch. 15. 26. But when the Comforter shall come , whom I will send unto you from the Father , even the Spirit of Truth , which proceedeth of the Father , he shall testifie of me . And 1 Joh. 4. 13 , 14. Hereby know we that we dwell in him , and he in us , because he hath given us of his Spirit . And we have seen and do testifie , That the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the World. All which may evince how scripturally we own a Trinity , or Holy Three in the Deity . Our Accuser tells of what unimaginable Excesses Enthusiasm may drive Men to ; and that all should beware of that desperate Shelve , upon which both our Church and State have suffered miserable Shipwreck , p. 221 , 222. Here he disparages his own Church , whereby we may beware of embarking in such a ●raz'd , wreck'd Vessel , as here he represents her . He excepts against the Words not distinct , from which G. F. intends , in a sort of common Acceptation , That the Son is not divided or separate from the Father , p. 222 , 223 , 224. Tho' 't is true in one Sense , the Father , Son and Holy Ghost are not essentially distinct as to their divine Being , which is but One , they are but One God ; but in respect to their Properties of Relation , as Father , Son and Holy Ghost , as such they are distinct ; but not divided nor separate , either in themselves or Work of the Old or New Creation ; yet not Three Gods , nor Three distinct Cre●tors , but One God , and One Creator . Passing by divers Impertinencies and Absurdities under this Head , to conclude , We know no People professing a Deity in Christendom , that more sincerely and livingly believe and confess a most glorious Scripture-Trinity ( or Holy Three ) the Father , the Word ( or Son ) and Holy Ghost , than we the People called Quakers do believe and confess ; to the Praise and Glory of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost . Our Accuser's 17th Sect. Concerning the Divinity and Incarnation of Christ , is full of Falshoods , Perversions and Misconstructions . 1. He begins with this Falshood , viz. The Quakers Heresie in this is taken from the Socinians : They say , Christ took Flesh ; but no otherwise , as they explain it , than as Angels assumed Bodies , &c. Which is notoriously false against the Quakers , who confess and believe , That Christ , the Word , took real Flesh , a real Body , and not a meer Apparition , nor a Fantastical Body ; and so they have often declared both in Print , and Preaching . 2. That they allow ( not always ) that Christ did inspire the Person of that Man Jesus , in an higher measure than other Men. False and perverse again : God did inspire the Man Christ Jesus higher than all other Men ; he received the Spirit not by measure , but in fulness ; he was anointed with the Oil of Gladness above all his Fellows : All other Men , even the best , are inspired only measurably . This is always allowed by us . 3. False again , That they deny any proper Incarnation of Christ ; that is , that he was made Flesh. For the Word was made Flesh , John 1. 14. And he took not upon him the Nature of Angels , but the Seed of Abraham ; and part of the same Flesh and Blood which the Children had , Heb. 2. 14 , 16. and Christ Jesus is one entire Christ and Saviour . We do not divide nor confound Jesus and Christ , nor take the Name Christ to our selves , but Christians , as anointed by him , and Partakers of Christ , and only so far have an Interest in his Name , Power and Life . 4. False also , That they say not that Christ did carry up ( i. e. the Body of Jesus ) with him into Heaven . Whose Body then but his own , when he was visibly seen to ascend , so as a Cloud received him out of their sight ? Acts 1. 9 , 10 , 11. 5. Seeing we confess , That Christ is now in Heaven ; when did ever we refuse to confess , that there is any Jesus now in Heaven , or any elsewhere ? This is an absurd Accusation , as if we divided Jesus and Christ , or denied Jesus to be Christ ; which is far from us . 6. That they know not what 's become of him , ( Jesus ) is also false . He ascended far above all Heavens , that he might fill all things ; and we know him in us by his Spirit . 7. That they say there 's no Christ without them ; is false also . 8. No other Christ but what 's within them . There 's not Two Christs : 'T is one and the same Christ that is without us and within us , tho' in different manners . 9. That they allow him no other Body but their own ; is false . They allow him his own proper glorious Body , in which he is their Head , and they united to him ; so as the Body ( in general or comprehensively ) is but one Body , even so is Christ , 1 Cor. 12. 12. 10. That they spiritualize ALL his Life and Death to his spiritual Living and Dying within them ; which is a reiterated Falshood . The same Christ that was crucified in the Flesh without , is spiritually within known in true Believers : 'T is not another Christ , but another Manifestation of one and the same Christ. 11. Our Friend G. F. ( in the places impertinently and perversly quoted , Gr. Myst. p. 210 , 211 , 254. ) does not dispute against saying , That the Man Christ that was crucified , his Body is now in the Presence of his Father : But against their saying , Christ is absent from the Saints and People ; and against their professing a Christ without them and another within them , ( i. e. Two Christs ) There being but one Lord Jesus Christ , 1 Cor. 8. 6. 12. 'T is neither impious nor blasphemous in the Quakers to affirm , That the One Lord Jesus Christ does influence , inspire and enlighten us by his Life and Spirit in our Hearts , ( this is the true state of the Case ) to guide us ; and that he is the only Christ and Saviour that so doth ; and that Christ , and his Spirit and Light , are not so divided : Being still but One Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ , who suffered for us , and reigneth both in Heaven and Earth , in which he hath all Power committed to him . 13. Our Adversary refers to one Rob. Gordon's Authority against us , in his pretended Testimony to the true Saviour , or Jesus of Nazareth , printed 1670. In which there are many Abuses , Misrepresentations and Contradictions answered and detected by G. Keith and G. Whitehead , in their Book , Entituled , The Light of Truth triumphing over Darkness , Ignorance , Error and Envy . G. Keith then vindicated us and our Principles against R. G. and other Opposers ; however he be now declined and turned against us , he has not retracted his Answer to the said R. Gordon , whose Authority we deny , and it will not support our present Opposer against us . 14. What he quotes of S. E. 's Challenge , What was said of Christ , the World was made by him , and the World knew him not , so it may be said of this true Prophet G. F. p. 232. We the Quakers , so called , disown the Comparison , any otherwise than as it relates to the World knew him not , for so far Christ himself allows his own , They are not of the World , as I am not of the World , John 17. And the World knoweth you not , because it knoweth not him , 1 John 3. 1. 15. His repeated false Charges of making our selves equal with God , and preferring our selves before the Man Christ , making him and all he did and suffered to be BVT a Type or Shaedow of what is really performed in us by the true Christ , p. 233. These Falshoods and Perversions are answered , denied and detected , partly before in this , and in our Just Enquiry , and also in an Answer to Dr. Ford , Entituled , The Christianity of the People commonly called Quakers , &c. Some of his other Falshoods he quotes and credits out of R. Gordon , are viz. 16. Crying up a Light within , to cry down the Blood without . 17. To preach him ( Christ ) as an Example , to cast out the Attonement . 18. Denying him to have any real , outward , individual , glorified , bodily Existence in his Fathers Kingdom . 19. That the preaching of a Christ without them , they call old beggarly Stuff . Adding viz. 20. And those who formerly preacht him as without us ( though Prophets or Apostles ) to be low and carnal in their Day , according to their Cant , which he there repeats , p. 235. These foul and odious Lies , Calumnies and Perversions he credits and repeats against us , which we utterly deny ( and his Authority also quoted by him ) as malicious and injurious . 21. His next Authority against us is T. C. i. e. Tho. Crisp his Animadvers . and F. Bugg's Quakerism Withering ; both which are fully answered , and their manifold Falshoods and Calumnies justly detected and reprehended , particularly in G. W.'s Answer , Entituled , The Counterfeit Convert , and T. C. by Edward Pennington . As to those offensive Words Your carnal Christ , your imagined God , we do not affect the Terms , neither are they proper to the true Christ ▪ or omnipresent God. 22. In p. 236. the Snake unfairly cites G. F. in two places , Gr. Myst. p. 250. leaving out the very reason of his Reflection upon Chr. Wade , his recording himself a Reprobate , which was his Ignorance of the Mystery of Christ within him . And Gr. Myst. p. 183. The Imputation to a Believer is owned , and this Imputation is within ; for he that believes is born of God , and hath the Witness in himself . Abraham believed and the Romans , and to such the Imputation was spoken in the Belief , &c. All these Words left out ( as seems to us ) with design to render us as wholly denying Imputation on any account , which is a manifest Perversion ; tho' G. F. in the place cited , esteems the inward Enjoyment of Christ Jesus , and his Righteousness , to be beyond any Imputation only , in the first Belief , as true Believers , in Union with Christ , are nearer to him than when they first believed . 23. 'T is false , That the Body which Christ assumed , we do not call the Body of Christ , as a Man's Body is called his Body ; but only as when an Angel assumes a Body . For the Body which Christ assumed was his real Body , and he really suffered in it ; and therein was made a little lower than the Angels , Heb. 2 9. who were not capable of such Sufferings as his , yet he was dignified , crowned with Glory and Honour far above them . 24. Again the Snake perversly quotes , F. Bugg's New Rome Arraign'd ; That the Quakers can never call the bodily Garment , Christ ; thence inferring , His Body to be but only as a Cloak or a Garment which a Man wears , which he may throw off or put on again without any alteration in his Person or Nature , p. 237 , 238. In this he perversly strains the Simily ( a Man's Cloak has no feeling to suffer with him when he is bruised or wounded ) and he is partial still , in not taking notice of the Answer to F. Bugg even in this very Point . See Charitable Essay , p. 2. thus given , viz. As to J. P.'s Words chiefly objected , That we cannot call the Bodily Garment , Christ. The word Garment I take to be only a figurative manner of speaking , as the word Vail , which is his Flesh is , Heb. 10. 20. An Ingenuous Man would allow him his own meaning as he explains it ; namely , That we cannot call the Body ( which he took upon him ) Chiefly and in the First Place Jesus Christ. It not being first , nor the intire Christ , because he was the Son of God , and consequently Christ , before he took upon him that Body , even when God created all things by . Jesus Christ , Ephes. 3. 9. He made the Worlds by his Son , Heb. 1. 2. And after several Arguments in p. 3 , 4. proving the Divinity and Pre-existence of Christ the Son of God , before he assumed the Body , the general Consequence deduced from the Premises , is , That the Names Jesus and Christ chiefly and primarily belong to Him that took the Body , though sometimes given to each and to both . 25. False again , That the Quakers say or make the Flesh of Christ of an earthly , perishing Nature , p. 238. from F. Bugg 's , saying ( against J. P. ) That which he ( Christ ) took upon him ( i. e. his Body ) was our Garment , even the Flesh and Blood of our Nature , which IS of an earthly , perishing Nature ; falsly adding , and is perished by their Account , p. 238. Thus from Bugg 's Authority and Citation against us ; but takes no notice of the Answer in the said Charitable Essay , p. 4. in these Words , viz. He ( i. e. F. B. and now his Disciple the Author of the Snake ) hath here notoriously wronged the People called Quakers , by imposing a false Creed upon them . Where do they say , That Christ's Body either was or is of an earthly perishing Nature ? I utterly deny the Charge , and F. B. also to be our Creed-maker , Construer or Expositor , who hath unjustly inferr'd this upon us from Is. Pennington's saying , He took upon him the Flesh and Blood of our Nature , which is of an earthly perishing Nature . Whereby neither he nor the Quakers say , That Christ's Body either was or is of an earthly perishing Nature ; for his Flesh saw no Corruption , therefore did not perish ; tho' our Nature , our Flesh and Blood be of an earthly perishing Nature , so is not Christ's . I cannot rationally suppose that J. P. ever intended that Christ's Body ( which on Earth did not corrupt ) is of an earthly perishing Nature now in Heaven as ours is now on Earth ; ( take his Words also Grammatically ) for it is such an absurdity as I cannot think ever entred into Is. Pennington's Heart , being a Man both of Learning ▪ Sense and Conscience ; [ The Flesh and Blood of our Nature ] being antecedent next to [ which is of an earthly perishing Nature ] Therefore [ perishing ] appears only relative to Flesh and Blood , as 't is ours and in us , and not to Christ's Body which is incorruptible and glorious . 26. The People called Quakers neither account that the Body of Christ perished , vanished or was annihilated , as said , p. 238. but that 't was changed so as to be a glorious , celestial Body . 27. 'T is not true in his Sense , That the Quakers think that the Name of Christ does belong to every one of them , not only more than to that Body now , but as well as to it while upon the Earth ; quoting Bugg 's New Rome . Again , Doth not the Name Christ belong to the whole Body , and to every Member of the Body , as well as to the Head ? A Question , p. 27. Thus one Adversary credits and promotes the Authority of another to reproach us , without taking notice of our full Answers already given . Oh! disingenuous , as in this very Point . In the said Charitable Essay , p. 4. in these Words , viz. Object . Doth not the Name belong to the whole Body , &c. So that there are as many Christ's , by their Doctrin , as believing Quakers . Answ. No , that 's not our Doctrin ; there 's one Body , and so but one Christ , 1 Cor. 12. 12. But turn the Question into F. B.'s contrary Doctrin implied , and then 't is The Name Christ belongs not to the whole Body , Christ's Body ( i. e. his Church ) is not Anointed ; it therefore hath no right to his Name nor any Member thereof ; but then doth not this appear contrary to the Apostle's Doctrin , viz. For as the Body is one and hath many Members , and all the Members of the Body , which is one , though they be many , yet are but one Body ; even so is Christ , 1 Cor. 12. 12. The Protestant Annotations in Queen Elizabeth's Bible are , That we might be one Body with Christ , and the whole Church one Christ. And on Ephes. 1. 23. The Church is also called Christ , 1 Cor. 12. 12. ( What says our Adversary to these Annotations ? Dare he judge them horrid Blasphemy ? ) And he that establisheth us with you in Christ Jesus , and hath 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Anointed us , is God , 2 Cor. 1. 21. Quest. But doth not the Name belong to the whole Body ( and to every Member therein ) as well as to the Head ? Answ. 1. Not Equally , because he is the Head. 2. Not Literally to be so named , but vertually and spiritually ( i. e. as by inward Participiation ) and so truly , with respect to that divine Power and Spirit , whereby both the Head and the Body are Anointed ( and united ) and each Member partakes thereof in some measure . But Christ , the Head in all things , has the Preheminence , he was Anointed ( more eminently ) in Fulness , his Members in part or measure by the same Spirit and Power ; he was Anointed above his Fellows , implying their being anointed in degree . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Christ , signifies Anointed , as being the very Christ the only begotten Son of God , which I know no Member of his Body assumes to himself ; but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Christian , which has relation to Christ the Anointed ; for where Christ's Church , which is his Body , is said to be the Fulness of him that filleth all in all , Ephes. 1. 23. 't is not of the Church as distinctly considered from the Head ; but ( as in Union therewith ) Christ the Head is included in that Fulness , tho' his proper Existence be entire , compleat and most glorious . I think this Answer to F. Bugg , may fully Answer his Disciple the Author of the Snake . 28. From G. Fox's saying , Christ is the Elect ; our Adversary infers , And the Elect are Christ , they make them convertible Terms , p. 239. They are not so made by us nor by G. F. in the place quoted , Gr. Myst. p. 88. but the contrary ; tho' there he saith , Christ is the Elect whom God upholds ; He also saith , Christ knows his , and said he had other Sheep , and he knew All the Elect ; and who receive him and are in him , are the Elect. There 's no such Words in the place quoted as that the Elect are Christ. Thus the plain Scripture is perverted which G. F. refers to , Isa. 42. 1. 29. He again quotes Gr. Myst. p. 207. That God's Christ is not distinct from his Saints . Here the Man unfairly leaves out what follows , viz. For he is within them , their Spirits witness him , &c. Wherein 't is plain , he means Christ is not divided or separate from his Saints . He takes distinct from , in a kind of common Acceptation , for divided or separate from . Here he cavils about Words or a Mode of speaking , and then draws his hard Consequences . As 30. The grossest Absurdities , highest Blasphemies , and that G. F. could find no difference , no distinction at all betwixt Christ and himself : Which appears a perverse and presumptuous Calumny . As doth the next , 31. That All the divine Attributes should be given to G. F. as well as unto Christ ; and that G. F. does assume the Stile and Names of Christ to himself , &c. The Man here quoting his own Authority in his Sect. 5. and there F. B.'s , both which we deny . They have injuriously abused G. F. and others in this Matter , who neither calls himself The Door that ever was , nor the same Christ yesterday , to day , and for ever ; ( he speaks this of Christ , not of himself ; ) neither did the Quakers call him the Branch , the Star , &c. as Bugg and the Snake have basely asperst him and others , Sect. 5. p. 41 , 43. &c. These Calumnies and perverse Abuses are sufficiently detected in several Answers to F. Bugg , and in Just Enquiry into the Libeller's Abuse . And tho' we deny that those divine Attributes given to Christ may be given to any mortal Man , yet divers Names given to Christ are given to Saints also ; as the Son of God , the Sons of God , Luke 3. 28. John 1. 12. Rom. 8. 14 The Light of the World , John 8. 12. Mat. 5. 14. The Salt of the Earth , Mat. 5. 13. The Righteousness of God , 1 Cor. 1. 30. 2 Cor. 5. 21 ▪ Kings , Priests , Prophets , Apostles , Ministers , The Seed , The Good Seed , Anointed , Elect , given both to Christ and his faithful Followers . But it may be said , These are not all properly divine Attributes : However , they are such as are given both to Christ , and his Brethren and Members the Saints , and true Followers of God : But The Image and Glory of God , I presume will be assented to be no less than divine Attributes , or importing the same , and yet without Blasphemy or Idolatry , Man ( whose Head Christ is ) is called The Image and Glory of God , 1 Cor. 11. 7 ▪ and not in any Dishonour to Christ , though the same Epithets or Characters do properly belong to him , Heb. 1. 3. 2 Cor. 4 4. Col. 1. 15. yet given also to Man , because indued with ( or participating of ) God's Image in Christ Jesus ; but we confess some divine Attributes and Names are given , as only proper to Christ , and not to Men or Saints ; as , The Wisdom and Power of God , The Word of God , A Quickning Spirit , The only begotten Son of God , The Messiah , The very Christ , The Prince of Life and Peace ; The Mighty God , The Everlasting Father , &c. these are only intended and proper to Christ. 32. We do not find Blasphemy or Idolatry excused , or any fair pretence used for the same by W. P. in the place quoted ( i. e , 11 Ch. Of the Invalidity of John Faldoe 's Vindication ) as is defamingly alledged against him , p. 242. which is about the Soul of Man , &c. which W. P. there fully Answers . To Sect. 18. which the Author stiles , Some Remarks upon Geo. Whitehead's Creed , relating to some of the Particulars before-going . The nameless Author of the Snake in the Grass , having vented his and others Venome and great Spite against the People called Quakers in general , and divers Particulars by Name ; now , to compleat his Design of great Envy , he must put forth his Sting in the Tail of his Work , and have a fling and sit of Hissing like an angry Snake , or as one that whispers out of the Dust , Isa. 29. 4. against the said G. W. I being the Person aim'd at , may now briefly answer for Truth and for my self , as concerned . 1. The word Creed he imposes upon me : 'T was no formal Creed or Summary of our Faith , tho' real Truths by way of Positions in the affirmative , as a Christian Testimony , in direct Opposition to F. B.'s great Abuse , false Charge and Perversions , which with a negative Testimony against him therein , are both adapted to answer his own Terms , Words and Phrases , that our Testimony and Positions might be the more apparent against his Abuse and Perversions ; for I know no Adversary that I find Fault with , but I can freely and in good Conscience assert my own Sense in the Matters in Controversie , as well as oppose his , though it be not in the manner of a formal Creed , yet true in it self ; for we should have numerous Creeds , if all Positions we write in Opposition to Opposers , must be esteemed Creeds , or Summaries and Confessions of our Faith ; nevertheless , we believe what we assert and vindicate in each particular . My Accuser presently shews his Prejudice and Enmity against me without cause , As with a new Confession of Faith , in such dubious and general Terms , as may at first sight deceive the unwary Reader ; though I gave it in as plain and as much in scriptural Terms as I could , and as the Matters concerned would admit of . And I know my own Sincerity therein better than my Accuser , who insincerely calls me Honest George , whilst he is aspersing me and casting Dirt at me , as Deceiving , keeping off contradicting the Heart of the Heresie , still preserving it safe and untouch'd ; and not only so , but often with a slily , insinuated Excuse and Defence of it , p. 244. So that my confessing Jesus to be the Christ , and both his coming in the Flesh and in the Spirit , according to holy Scripture-Testimony , and also to the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament , namely , the Holy Doctrin and divine Precepts therein , as given by divine Inspiration ( on which much of my said Confession against F. Bugg depends ; ) this hath no better Acceptance or Resentment with my Accuser , than as no Contradiction to the Heart of Heresie , but as still preserving it safe and untouch'd ; and which is worse , a slily insinuated Excuse and Defence of it . Oh sad Stuff ! Whither will not Pride and Envy precipitate some Men ? What scripturally to confess Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures ( as above ) is this no Contradiction to Heresie ? But to preserve , excuse or defend it ? What 's Heresie than , pray ? Is it to confess Jesus Christ come in the Flesh , &c. according to holy Scripture-Testimony of him ? Oh! for shame , leave off such blind Envy and blasphemous Abuse . And now to come to the Point , How or wherein have I slily insinuated Excuse and Defence of it ( i. e. of the Heart of Hersie , as before ? ) p. 244. Thus ( saith my Accuser ) in his first Article he confesses Jesus to be the Christ , even the same Jesus Christ who was born of the Virgin Mary at Bethlehem , &c. I confess this is part of my Confession , but cannot believe this is either not contradictory to the Heart of Heresie , or that it is any Excuse or Defence of it . Nor that our confessing God or Christ to be our Light , can be any such Excuse or Defence . Neither do we attribute the Name Christ to any ( much less to every one ) of our selves , as we are often falsly accused , as here , p. 245. Whence he also most unjustly infers , That then this will appear that this Confession of Whitehead 's is a meer Fallacy , while it attributes no more to Jesus Christ than to G. W. p. 245. Which is a very foul and absurd Falshood and notorious Lie in Fact , and contradiction to my said Confession ( even so far as 't is cited by himself as before ) which is , 1. We sincerely own , profess and confess Jesus to be the Christ , even the same Jesus Christ who was born of the Virgin Mary at Bethlehem in Judea , Mat. 2. suffered Death upon the Cross without the Gates of Jerusalem , was quickened and raised again by the Power of God , and ascended into Heaven and Glory , according to the Scriptures . Now have I herein attributed no more to Jesus Christ than to my self , as he saith ? Where did I ever attribute this to my self ? Where 's the meer Fallacy ? Not in my Confession to Jesus Christ , but in this horrid Abuse and gross Perversion thereof . Did I ever say that I am Jesus Christ ? Or , that I was born of the Virgin Mary ? Or , that I suffered Death upon the Cross at Jerusalem ? &c. Oh! for shame , who cannot see such Malice and Madness as my Adversary has vented against me in this Matter ? Again , I find no Fallacy in my Confession to Christ , as without ; nor is there any , unless I had denied the Virgin Mary ( of whom Christ was born ) to be without , or Bethlehem , and Judea and Jerusalem , to be without us ; nor doth Christ , being without , prove him not to be our Light within ; for the same Christ said , I am the Light of the World ; therefore he is our Light , yea the Quakers Light ( as he calls it ) they being included in the World. Does not the Sun shine in our Houses , because the Body and Fulness of it is without them ? My Accuser quibbles and quarrels with Art. 10. of my Confession , viz. Our Ministers do not teach that the Name of Jesus and Christ belong to every Member in the Body or Church , as amply as to Christ the Head. And here he leaves out all the following explanatory part of the Article , ( as he calls it ) and scornfully descants upon the Word amply being in a different black Character , lest ( quoth he ) you should mistake and think that George was Christ as amply as Jesus . And then goes on scoffing , That was modest indeed ; but then George thou art Christ as well as Jesus , though not so amply : Which is both a false Implication , and foreign to my intention . The word amply in that place , was only used and intended in direct opposition to F. Bugg's falsly saying , The Quakers teach , That the Name Jesus and Christ belong to every Member in the Body , as amply as to Christ the Head , New Rome , Ar. p. 47. But even in the same 10 Art. quoted against me , I do not allow any Member to be called Christ , but expresly dissallow it , though I confess how Christians have some Interest in his Name , but not to be called Jesus , but Christians . The explanatory part of my Confession in the said 10th Article , disingenuously left out by this Scoffer , is in these Words , viz. But that the divine Anointing ( to which Name Christ hath relation ) virtually is in some measure or degree afforded to every Member of his Body , but not so amply as to him the Head ; nor for any Member to be called Christ , but a Christian ; because Christ received the Anointing the Holy Spirit not by measure , but in fulness ; and because he is the Head of the Body , the Church . And this very Matter is more fully explain'd in my Charitable Essay , in Answer to F. Bugg , p. 4. as before . It was far from my Thoughts or Intention to imply any such thing , as That I am Christ as well as Jesus ; for I have often written my self A Servant-of Christ ; and so I am , I humbly bless his Name that 's above every Name . Therefore I am still very unjustly accused with rank Sophistry , dodging and deluding , and casting a Mist before the Eyes of poor deluded People , or leading them into the Mystery of Iniquity , or of any Equivocating or Jesuitical Confession of Faith , as foully and unjustly accused , p. 246 , 247. I have a Conscience towards God in what I confess , and in good Conscience testifie , That thou my scornful , lurking Adversary , hast cast manifold false and gross Defamations upon me , and many others of my Christian Persuasion . And in the true Sense of Scripture , I have both confess'd Christ's coming in the Flesh , and as he the Word was made ( or took ) Flesh , Jo. 1. 14. And more than the Socinians , I do still confess , That as the reasonable Soul and Body is One Man , so He that is God and Man is One Christ. And whether this will give Satisfaction to an implacable Adversary or no , I value not ; knowing my Conscience clear in the Sight of him who judgeth righteously , which I am sure this my unjust Judge and false Accuser is not , who presently after he has stil'd me Honest George , unjustly brands me with Infamy , as Sophistry , Delusion , Depths of Satan , Mystery of Iniquity , Equivocation , Jesuitical Confession , &c. Oh! rank Malice , bitter Envy , &c. As for my Confession in the 7th Art. alledged against me , it stands good and true , viz. We own no such saying , as that the Holy Doctrin or Divine Precepts of Scripture , is either Dust , Death , or the Serpent's Meat , but truly profitable to us by the Assistance of God's Holy Spirit given to us , &c. And this was in direct opposition to F. Bugg's saying , These Quakers , who pretend to own the Precepts and Doctrin of the Bible to be holy and blessed , yet say 't is Dust and Death , the Serpent's Meat , &c. Apol. Introd . p. 18. to his New Rome . [ We do not believe any of these Quakers ever so said of the Precepts and Doctrin , nor do they own any such Saying , I wholly disown it . ] But then to beg the Question , What was it you called Dust and Serpent's Meat ? Was it nothing else but the Ink and Paper ? Did any Body ever say , That these were not Dust ? Or , Is that any part of the Controversie betwixt us ? Snake p. 249. Here he yields the Point ; he grants the Ink and Paper to be Dust. I said , Will decay and turn to Dust ; but so will not the Word , the Gospel , nor the Holy Doctrin contain'd in Scripture . And it has been confess'd by F. B. and others , That Holiness is not ascrib'd to the Paper and Ink ( or Inky Characters ) that will decay , but to the Holy Doctrin and Precepts which will not decay , but be permanent and endure , and therefore called the Holy Scriptures , with respect to the Holy Matters therein contained . That the Books and Writings in Ink and Paper will wear out , so will not the Word , is evident . Jehoiakim King of Judah , could burn Jeremiah the Prophet's Roll or Book , writ with Ink by Barach , but not the Word of the Lord , nor properly the Words thereof ; for the same Word caused all the former Words to be written again , after the Roll was burnt , Jer. 36. If then the Books , the Paper and Ink be combustible , or will decay and turn to Dust , but not the Word , nor the Doctrin ; where 's then the Controversie indeed , when the same thing is granted on both sides ? He quotes Gr. Myst. p. 302. Sect. 11. p. 146 , 147. as saying , Paper and Ink is not infallible , that will come to Dust ; unto which the Word , Christ and the Spirit is preferred , in the same place quoted . And in the said Gr. Myst. p. 78. by Letter , he there means Paper and Ink ; but the Scripture , the thing it speaks of , is spiritual , the Word is Spirit . And further , p. 127. the Scripture ( or Writing ) it self , without the Spirit that gave it forth , is a dead Letter in it self . The Spirit is that that gave forth the Scriptures . For my part , as I am not in the least conscious to my self of the least Contempt of Holy Scripture , nor yet of the Bible ; for I have always preferr'd it to all other Books extant in the World , and more affected Reading therein than any other Book , even from my Childhood ; and often bless divine Providence for preserving to us the Scriptures : So I know of none among us guilty of contemning them : Neither is what 's said , from any Contempt of Scripture , no more than it is of the Earth and the Heavens , to say , They shall wax old and perish , but the Word that made them endureth , Psal. 102. 25 , 26. Heb. 1. 11 , 12. But say what we can in this Case to clear our selves of any Contempt to the Holy Scripture , this our uncharitable Judge and Accuser will not believe us : He 's bent to asperse , he has swallow'd down so much of the soure Leaven of the Malice of a few false Brethren , Persecutors and Apostates , from whom he derives much of his Authority ; and thus scurrilously and most falsly imposes upon me , viz. And therefore George , notwithstanding all thy meally Modesty , it is ; it is indeed George , it is the very Doctrin of the Scriptures which you blaspheme as Dust , and Death , and Serpent's Meat , on purpose to bring Men off from trying your pernicious Heresies by those saecred Oracles , p. 250. This is a pernicious Abuse and Calumny , against my self and others of us ( to out-face us against our very Sense and Consciences ) and in good Conscience I testifie against it ; it never entred into my Intention or Thoughts so to blaspheme the Doctrin of the Scriptures , as to term or deem it Dust , Death or Serpent's Meat : The Lord rebuke this lying ; envious Spirit . Neither do I vilifie the written Doctrin and Precepts of God , in comparison of our New Light ( as he falsly calls it ) p. 250 , 251. but reverently esteem them : The Man makes no Conscience of defaming us . Neither do we quarrel with the Law and the Testimony , nor yet with Writing or Scripture , as 't is in Ink or Paper , but distinguish between the Writing and the Things written , which is no Contempt to either . We are thankful to Divine Providence for both the Scripture , or Writing , and the Holy Doctrin and Divine Precepts therein written ; for they testifie unto Christ our Light , and our ●ight to the Truth of them . And to what he saith , - If any do not teach the same , i. e. according to the Law and the Testimony , or written Word , it is because there is no Light in them , Isa. 8. 20. And then puts this Emphasis upon it , No Light , George ! Mark that : Your false Pretences to the Light within are here over-rul'd , p. 251. I deny that our Pretences to the Light within is either false or here over-rul'd ; if they speak not according to this Word , it is because there is no Morning to them . If he 'll see the Note from the Hebrew in some Bibles , he may see no Morning in the Margin over against no Light : Then let him Mark that . But is there no Light in the Creation before Morning , either inward or outward , pray ? Did not the Light shine in Darkness , before it shined out of Darkness ? And had not the Believers a more sure Word of Prophecy , whereunto they did well to take heed , as unto a Light shining in a dark Place , until the Day dawned and the Day-star arose in their Hearts ? 2 Pet. 1. 19. And are not many reproved by the Light them in , for telling Lies and speaking contrary to the Word ? &c. And therefore there was some true Light in them , before the Morning appeared to them . And tho' my Accuser says , These , and such-like Texts , detect and explode the miserable . Ignorance and Blasphemy of these Pretenders to Light. For which we have his own ipse dixit , and much such Raillery , but know no plain Texts of Scripture yet produced by him , that so detects us ; but his own Falshood and great Ignorance about the Light , is very apparent . Again , he falsly defames and reprobaches me , from p. 28. Of Innocency Triumphant , with excusing and justifying Diabolical Suggestions in the Quaker-Refuge ( he saith ) against the Authority of the sacred Scripture , by saying , That it questioned but some , not all , p. 252. This Accuser has a most odious , injurious course of defaming and perverting , as well as curtalizing our Words , wherein he has taken part with his famous Author F. Bugg , to whom the Answer was given , on which he grounds his black Charge against me , Of justifying Diabolical Suggestions , &c. In which Answer I expresly declare thus , viz. His Accusation that the Quakers insinuate , in a Book called The Quakers Refuge , That What the true Prophets spake was false , and What the false Prophets spoke was true , p. 47. New Rome Vnm. p. 23. We disown these Expressions , and I think they are not duly inferred from the said Book , questioning whether Some Words were not spoken by wicked Men , some by wise Men , ill applied ; some by good Men , ill expressed , &c. Now , at my saying , Yet this questioned but of some Words in Scri●ture , not all ; he takes occasion to Rail fearfully against me , as a Justifier of Diabolical Suggestions . When my Answer was not with the least intent to oppose or lessen the Authority of the Sacred Scriptures ; but in direct opposition to F. Bugg's Calumny , in these general , odious and false Expressions , viz. That the Quakers insinuate , that What the true Prophets spake , was false . Which Expression we utterly deny , as both in themselves grosly false , against the true Prophets , and falsly charged on the Quakers , to defame them . And as to the Questions cited out of the Quak. Refuge , at which Offence is taken , 1. They are not mine . 2. I do not believe they are the Author 's of that Quak Refuge , tho' cited by him . 3. It is apparent he does not espouse them as his own Judgment , nor make them the Matter in that present Controversie , nor resolve them in the Affirmative ; but seems to recite and wave them , as Originally proceeding from some other Person , as I understand . The furthest that can be drawn from my said Answer to F. B. that may seem offensive ( which I should be sorry for , if 't were really so ) is my seeming to grant the Question , That in some Words some true Prophets were mistaken . And if this be made an Offence , I think 't is no real one , for I designed none : However , I still confess , I believe the Record of Scripture to be true . Good Men , and some true Prophets also , have been and may be mistaken in some things , and have had their Weaknesses and Failings truly recorded in Scripture ; and also their Deliverances , for good Ends and Admonition to others . Was not Samuel a good Man and a Prophet , and yet mistaken , when he took Eliab for the Lord 's Anointed ? 1 Sam. 16 , 6. 7. And in the Argument upon Job in the ancient Bible , is marked , That Job maintaineth a good Cause , but handleth it evil . Again , his Adversaries have an evil Matter , but they defend it craftily . Moreover , he was assured that God had not rejected him ; yet through his great Torments and Afflictions , he burst forth into many Inconveniences both of Words and Sentences . See the Argument at large . And was not the Prophet Elijah mistaken when he thought himself alone , or none in Israel but himself , that was zealous for the Lord God of Hosts ? But what saith the Answer of God unto him ? I have reserved unto my self seven thousand Men , that have not bowed the knee to Baal , 1 King. 19. 10 , 18. Rom. 11. 3 , 4. And to say but little of the Old Prophet that persuaded the Young Prophet , contrary to the Word of the Lord , 1 King. 13. I could instance Jonas , David , and several others that were good Men , who had some Weaknesses and Mistakes in Words and Actions , yet the Lord was good to them and helped them , according to the Integrity of their Hearts towards him . And these Things being truly recorded in Scripture for Instruction and Admonition , we truly esteem the Scripture-Record thereof . And even where the Words , Lies , Blasphemies and Actions of the Devil , wicked Men and Persecutors , and the Judgments which befel them , are recorded in the Scriptures , we own the Record or History thereof to be true , and highly esteem it for Instruction and Warning to Men. And to distinguish between the Words of God in Scripture , and the Words of the Devil , is but what the Scripture it self doth , which can be no Contempt to it ; for I have known some stumbled , by some of the Priests making no distinction , but calling all that 's written in Scripture the Word of God ; as one that was the Mayor of Thetford near 40 Years ago , told me , That a Priest wanting Induction into the vacant Benefice , and preaching there for Approbation , took his Text out of the Words wherewith the Devil tempted Christ , Mat. 4. And bidding the People hearken to the Word of God , as they should find it written in such a Chapter and Verfe ; whereupon this Person that told me of it was so offended , that he would not give his Voice to chuse the said Priest , because he had told them , That was the Word of God , which was the Words of the Devil . Now let none be so disingenuous as to take this as in Contempt of Holy Scripture , Doctrin or Precepts therein ; for where either the Words , Blasphemies , wicked Actions or Persecutions of the Devil or Men , are therein mentioned , the Record thereof is true , and in Testimony against them , and the intent of such Record holy , just and good . Farther my Accuser tells me , Nor is my Salvo more ingenuous in the Eleventh Article . And why so ? It is really , say I , contrary to our Faith and Principle , to make Christ Jesus himself Only a Figure , a Veil or Garment , p. 254. Which was in direct opposition to his Author F. Bugg 's falsly saying , The Quakers would make Christ Only a Figure , a Veil , a Garment , implied by way of Question , p. 58. New Rome Ar. Here he quarrels with the word Only as with the word Amply , and accuseth me with Equivocating , and that this is but a Negative Confession : But really George ( quoth he ) this is not re-assuming your Christian Testimony in the Affirmative , as thou didst promise , &c. still hiding your self in the Dark in Negatives : But we would know affirmatively , what it is you do profess ; and this thou didst promise , and this thou hast not perform'd , p. 255 , 256. Here he accuseth me with breach of Promise ; but very falsly , as in the said 11th Article is plain , that my Confession of Christ Jesus himself , is not only Negative but Affirmative , namely , He being the Substance and End of all Figures , Types and Shadows . Is not this Affirmative , pray ? And as remote from Truth is his accusing the Quakers Books of calling Christ Jesus a Type or Figure of their Light within , p. 263 , 264. I know no such Books of the Quakers that so call Christ Jesus A Type of our Light within , but that he is our Light , which hath inlighten'd us among the rest of Mankind . It 's implied by way of Question , That Christ cloathed himself in Flesh and Blood , and that he took Flesh , &c. for so ( quoth he ) it may be said that our Soul is cloathed with our Body , as with a Garment or Veil . It is not Words ; but the meaning that we contend about , saith he , p. 257. We know best our own Meaning , being well satisfied that 't is according to Holy Scripture . Where 's then the difference ? He then quarrels with our Meaning , not with the Words here , but elsewhere ; he doth as his Author F. Bugg has done with the words Veil and Garment , in J. P.'s Question to Professors : But this Author yields the Point , he assents to both ; As our Soul is clothed with our Body , as with a Garment or Veil ; and so of Christ. Which warrants J. P.'s Question against his Author F. B. and himself , at least so far as not to make it a Subject of any further Contention against us . Again , my Accuser brings a heavy , black Charge upon me in these Words , viz. In this same 11th Article we are now upon , after your full and Affirmative Declaration ( before he would have it Negative ) you subborn Two Texts as Favourers of your damnable Heresie before-told , yet ( say you , slily ) his Flesh was called the Veil , Heb. 10. And he took upon him the form of a Servant , and was made like unto Men , and was found in the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Shape or Figure of a Man , Phil. 2. 6 , 7. And then exclaims , Ah George ! George ! I could forgive thee any thing but this : What ▪ put upon us at this rate ! It seems my citing those Two Texts , and alledging them to prove that the word Veil was applied to Christ's Flesh which he took upon him , and the Word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Shape or Figure of a Man , to the form of his Manhood or outward Man , tho' I intended no other than that , without the least Contempt to Christ : Such Words might be used as they had been by some of our Friends . For this it seems I have committed such a heinous and unpardonable Crime or Sin , as this my severe Judge cannot forgive . This is represented as my highest Offence ; and truly I shall not need to seek to him for Absolution or Pardon , nor to be my Confessor : I have a merciful and faithful High Priest to apply and appeal to ; I need not go to unmerciful and implacable Ones for Pardon ; especially such a one as has so shamefully calumniz'd me with subborning Two Texts as Favourers of damnable Heresie . How comes this Accuser , in his Fallibility or Uncertainty , thus severely to condemn me , when he cannot refute Matter of Fact about the Two said Texts , being alledged in behalf of my Friend's meaning , and not at all with the least Intention to lessen the Dignity or Glory of the Son of God ? No , far be it from me . And where 's my unpardonable Sin in the Application of the Text , Phil. 2 ? Why he saith , George Whitehead brings in the word Figure , which is not in the English Translation . And what then ? But let him have it , he himself makes it synonimous to Shape , p. 263. And he is forced to let me have it , because he cannot well deny it , without Disparagement to himself . But herein he would place on me a Mis-application of the Words , [ Who being found in the Shape or Figure of a Man , &c. ] And therefore saith , what relation has this to the calling Christ Jesus a Type or Figure of their Light within , which I have shewn above out of the Quakers Books ? And I have denied this as a Falshood before , and now declare against his manifest Perversion and Injury to me , and my Words herein . For as I sincerely disown the Words charged , viz. The calling Christ Jesus a Type or Figure of our Light within , I could not apply the Words before in the Text , Phil. 2. to have any relation thereto ; much less as proof of that which I never held : And I know none of us that doth so call Jesus Christ A Type of our Light within , he being the Fountain thereof . Nor that Christ is Only a Figure , as falsly charged by F. Bugg . Which Perversion , so far as I can find , was first forged from these Words , in the Book Saul's Errand ; viz. Christ in the Flesh without them , is their Example or Figure ; which is both one . For his being their Example , 1 Pet. 2. 21. & 4. 1. & 1. 15. & John 13. 15. are quoted . See also Luke 2. 31. he was called a Sign . Now hence to say he was Only a Sign , were a gross Perversion ; Christ was our Example . Now hence to say he was nothing else but an Example , were an Abuse and to lessen his Dignity , and a variation from the Sense ; as our Adversary has done upon Trust of his Author F. Bugg ; upon his false Report , which is besides all Justice , Morality and judicial Proceedings . Now the Question is , Whether Figure may be made synonimous to Example , for the words Example or Figure , as before ? I conceive it may . For Type or Figure sometimes points at a thing to come , as in Rom. 5. 14. who was the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Figure of him that was to come . And sometimes Type or Figure denotes a present Example or Pattern , as in Phil. 3. 17. Mark them which walk so , as ye have us for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Example . And the same Word is used in 2 Thes. 3. 9. & 1 Tim. 4. 12. & Titus 2. 7. & 1 Cor. 10. 11. only in different Cases , or Terminations . And the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , an Example or Type , John 13. 15. Heb. 9. 23. Thus Example or Type are made synonimous in T. C.'s Lexicon , and the like in Crit. Sacr. but more fully explain'd ; for there 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , i. e. Exemplum , Exemplar , Triplicem habet in Scriptura significatum . 1. Significat Typum seu Figuram , rerum , vel praeteritarum , Heb. 8. 5. vel futurarum , Heb. 9. 23. 2. Exemplum imitationis , John 13. 15. 1 Tim. 4. 12. Titus 4. 7. 3. Exemplum Monitionis , sive Cautelae , ut 2 Pet. 2. 6. i. e. Exemplum , Exemplar , hath a threefold Signification in Scripture . 1. It signifies a Type or Figure of Things , either past or to come . 2. An Example of Imitation . 3. An Example of Warning or Caution . Now see how synonimously the Terms Type , Figure , Patern and Example , are rendered in Scripture , and of what extent , not only in relation to the Types under the Law , but in some respect to Christ and his Ministers , tho' he be also confessed to be the Antitype , Substance and End of all Legal Shadows , Types and Figures . But I have not called Christ himself a Type of our Light within , nor justified the same . As to my Accuser's Offence at my saying Christ's Flesh is called the Veil , Heb. 10. 20. it was to remove an Offence taken against my Friend J. P. for using the same . And it would have become this Adversary to have forborn his blasphemous Scoffing at my Light ; as ; George if thy Light has hitherto forgot to tell thee ▪ &c. I bless the Lord my God , who is my Light , Life and Salvation ; he has shewn me the new and living way of the New Covenant , which our blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ consecrated , prepared or set open through the Veil , that is to say , his Flesh ; yea , through his Sufferings and Death , as being the Testator , he hath enforced that New Testament or second Covenant ; he took away the first , that he might establish the second ; and so hath open'd the Passage into eternal Life , into the Hollest of Holies within the Veil , and beyond all the Shadows and Veils under the Law. It was in the most holy Place within the second Veil in the Tabernacle , which was called the Holiest of all in the Old Covenant , that the golden Censor and Ark of the Testament were put , and the golden Pot which had Manna , and Aaron's Rod that had budded , and the Tables of the Testament , and over the Ark the Cherubims of Glory shadowing the Mercy-seat , Heb. 9. Exod. 26. So the most excellent things were within the Veil , tho' there was a Beauty and Glory also without it . All which , I doubt not were Shadows of the New Covenant , and the spiritual Dispensation thereof in Christ Jesus , in whom the most holy place of that divine Service and Worship ( in the New Covenant Sanctuary which the Lord has placed in the midst of his People ) is in the Spirit and in the Truth . And all our spiritual Blessings and heavenly Treasures are in Christ Jesus , who is our Sanctuary and Hiding-place . And it is in the inmost , or most inward and spiritual Dispensation of the New Covenant , that Mercy and Forgiveness is receiv'd , and Christ most livingly and effectually known to us and enjoyed ; and in him the most holy and heavenly Places , wherein the true spiritual Believers sit down with him ; and as being washed from their Sins in his Blood by his Spirit , are his Church and Sanctuary also , and thereby have boldness to enter into the holy Place , even by that new and living Way ( which Christ hath prepared for us through the Veil , that is to say , his Flesh , Heb. 10. ) that we may follow him therein into Heaven it self . And what entrance through Christ our Mediator we have here in measure received into this new and living Way , and holy and heavenly Places in him , we doubt not but it is to us an Earnest of a more full Enjoyment of Heaven and Glory hereafter , with Christ Jesus our Fore-runner , Leader and Captain of our Salvation , we continuing faithful to the end in this his new and living Way , as true and constant Followers of him . God in his great Love and Wisdom has afforded several Dispensations , one higher and more glorious than another , in order to bring Man nearer and nearer to himself ; as that of the Law , and of Shadows and Types ; that of the Prophets ; that of John the Baptist ; that of Christ in the Flesh , and that of Christ in the Spirit and New Covenant , which is higher , more powerful and more glorious than the former , and therein a more clear knowledge of Christ than in all the former , wherein there was some Sight of him through Shadows and Veils , but by his divine Light shining in our Hearts God is pleased to give us the Light of the knowledge of his Glory in the Face of his dear Son Christ Jesus , that we all with open Face , as in a Glass , may behold the Glory of God , and be changed into the same Image from Glory to Glory , as by the Spirit of the Lord , 2 Cor. 3. 18. & Ch. 4. 6 , 7. Now , tho' our Adversary has made a deal of Dispute and Quarrel with us about calling Christ's Flesh the Veil , as in Heb. 10. yet he is fain to grant , That Christ's Body is called a Veil in relation to its Type , the Veil of the Temple , p. 262 , 263. but he 'll have this not to be in the Quakers Sense . They call it a Veil ; that is ( saith he ) a Garment , in contradistinction to its being Christ's Substance , and of his Nature , p. 262. Whereas its rather in contradistinction to its Being , his Divine Natnre , or to its being in the first place , or principally or chiefly Christ himself ( who is the Son of God ) for whom the Body was prepared , because he did pre-exit it , or was in Being before he took upon him that Body , even in his Father's Glory before the World began , wherewith he is glorified . However , the Veil , which was Christ's Flesh , ( through which he set open the new and living Way ) we never deny to be Christ's Body , or to be a real Body , but own it was ; and never believed it to be a Fantastical Body , as I have often said ; but that Christ the Son of God took upon him real Flesh and Blood of our Nature , yet pure and incorrupt in him . And as his Flesh was called the Veil , it answers its Type or Figure , i. e. the Veil of the most Holy Place , or Oracle where God gave Answers , 1 Kings 6. 20. & 8. 6 , 8. & 2 Chron. 3. 10 , 16. And these most Holy Places in the Tabernacle and Temple , being Places of divine Service , then peculiar to the High Priest to enter into , their Antitype is in Christ Jesus , the New Covenant , where in the Spirit and in the Truth , God is truly worshipped , and meets with ( and speaks to ) his People , even by Christ Jesus their High Priest , who is present in the midst of his Church and Assemblies of his People , the true and spiritual Worshippers , who meet in his Name , Spirit and Power , whose Light and Truth brings its Followers unto his Holy Tabernacles , Psal. 43. 3. And as to Christ's Substance and Nature , what does our Opposer mean thereby ? How has he distinguished in this Point ? Christ has in him a divine Nature , as well as that of Man , which he hath also in the purest Sense . But which is the greatest ? Is not the divine Nature , the Deity in him , greater than the Manhood ? As he said , My Father is greater than all , greater than I , John 10. 29. Nevertheless , as our great and only Mediator and Intercessor , it was necessary he should be Man , as he is the most glorious , heavenly Man ; and as the Christ of God he is spiritually in us , in his Saints and Members , in some measure , by his Spirit , Light , Life and Power , even as the incorruptible , immortal Seed in Man is of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost ; and therein all true spiritual Believers do in measure partake of the divine Nature , being born again of this incorruptible Seed . The gross Calumnies , cruel Mockeries , false Stories and Perversions of the Author of The Snake in the Grass , are therein so numerous ; together with his partial picking , nibling , mincing and carping at our Books , which is so perverse , and much on 't so silly , that I confess many of them are waved in this Answer , as not worthy of spending more precious time about them ; and I shall leave the said Author to the just Judgment of him that judghth righteously , wishing his Repentance before it be too late . And tho' he sculks and hides himself , as if he were afraid or ashamed to own his Work with his Name to it ; so am not I of my Name or Vindication ; tho' I be ( and expect to be ) reproached and misrepresented for Christ's sake , whose Servant I am , George Whitehead . A BRIEF EXAMINATION OF Some Passages , IN THE Second Book of the Author OF The Snake in the Grass : FALSLY STILED , Satan dis-rob'd from his Disguise of Light : Or , The Quakers last Shift to cover their monstrous Heresies , laid fully open . WHEN I looked upon the Title of the said Book , stiled , Satan dis-rob'd from his Disguise of Light : With this additional reproachful Title ; Or , The Quakers last Shift to cover their monstrous Heresies ; and being By the Author of the Snake in the Grass , I did suppose it to be the Second Part to the same Tune , or much of the same Nature with the former , full of Bitterness and Scorn , by the reviling Title , and no fair Reply to T. Ellwood's Answer ; and so it appears ; and I expect will be made farther appear , if T. Ellwood deems it worth the while to undertake it . But that which appear'd most strange to me and some others , was , in the Title of the said Book , it is thus declared ; Which also may serve for a Reply ( as to the main Points of Doctrin ) to Geo. Whitehead 's Answer to the Snake in the Grass ; to be published the end of the next Month , if this prevent it not . Which appeared very strange to me , and the Man 's presumptive Falshood the greater , I having a great part of the Copy of my Answer to The Snake in the Grass in my Hands , when I first saw these Words in Print ; and the rest of my Copy then in the Printers Hands , which we did not hear they lent him to make Reply to ; and when I lookt over his Book , I neither found any repetition of my Answer , nor Reply thereto . However he 's so confident and boasting in his own Work , that he takes it for granted , That not only the Quakers are put to their last Shift , but also that this pretended Reply to T. Ellwood's Answer to G. Keith's Narrative , may also serve for a Reply to G. Whitehead's Answer to The Snake in the Grass : Which would seem a cunning Piece of Divination indeed , to Reply to a Book before he sees it or knows it . But if he will still have his said Reply a sufficient Reply thereunto , he may go on in 's own Conceit , and save himself a further Labour of Replying , lest he give himself the Lie , by giving the World to understand that what he has said may serve for a Reply to Geo. Whitehead's Answer , may not serve for a Reply . However , he seems to have taken upon himself a heavy Task , in being an Advocate for George Keith ; and more heavy , to reconcile the Contradictions charged upon him by Tho. Ellwood , John Pennington and his Brother Edward , and partly for Baptists and Presbyterians , and all against the Quakers in his Reply ; but very partial in carping at our Words and Answers in many places , without taking notice of the unwarrantable Expressions , Absurdities and Contradictions of our Adversaries , and yet in general Terms excuses them ; but in no small Contradiction to himself , and the sad Account and ill Characters he has given in his Snake in the Grass , 2nd Part , Sect. 3. pag. 17. 18. both of Presbyter , Anabaptist , Independent , Quaker , &c. as all under Enthusiasm , of Rome's dressing in several Shapes and Forms , and as a plentiful Harvest of Rome 's reaping , &c. But now he can advocate and take part with any of them against the Quakers , like some mercinary Soldier of Fortune . I do not intend to spend much time here to Answer his said Reply , though 't is no great Difficulty to do ; but to take notice of a few Passages in it , wherein I and some others are concerned , and injurionsly dealt with therein . 1. My excepting against that made Expression Co-creator , as used by the Baptist , telling of God being Co-creator with the Father ; I confess I am no more reconciled to the Expression now , than I was when first I questioned it as unscriptural ; whereby I never intended not to allow the Word to be God , or to the Son of God , as I am most injuriously accused , p. 2. For divers of my ancient and first Writings in Print shew the contrary , that I own the Word to be God , and Creator too . But the Phrase God Co-creator with God , I think still implies Two Creators , and consequently Two Gods. 'T is not the Particle co with , in this Case , will excuse the Matter , for co or con is simul together , as Co-workers , Co-partners , which are more distinct Agents than one : But the Creator is but one God , one Word , one Spirit , and so one Creator . But this invented word Co-creator was brought by the Baptists for proof That the Light in Man , wherewith the word God as Co-creator lighteth every Man , is the Light of Reason , the Light of Nature , &c. consequently but a created Light ; which I deny . Seeing that it is the same Life that was in the Word , that was the Light of Men , John 1. 4. What good Doctrin or good Sense were it then to say , That the word God was Co-creator with the Father of his own Life , Light and Power : And no better Sense can I make of the Baptist's Notion of the Light in this Case , nor of this Man 's excusing him . Besides , a learn'd and more moderate and ingenuous Person , has lately made the like Exception against the word Co-creator in a printed Paper , called , Reflections upon some Passages in G. Keith 's Narrative ; where he saith , It seems to me that the word Co-creator might justly be rejected by G. Whitehead , being a word neither us'd in the Holy Scriptures , nor by any of the ancient Councils ; and it seems to import a Conceit that there are Two Efficients of the Creation , one having a creative Power distinct from the other . Yet , withal , he is pleased to give this gentle Reflection on me by the way . Tho' G. W. has not spoken with that Caution and Accuracy which he should have us'd in a Matter of so grand Importance ; which I do the more easily bear from him because of his Moderation . Suppose that in some Passages , in some of my former Writings , as to the Circumstance of Words or Expressions , there may be some Deficiency , or want some Explication or Distinction , or something dubious , and the Particulars thereof were shewn me , I hope I should not be wanting to give my Explication to the Satisfaction of the Moderate and Ingenuous . As to the Matters intended by me , I know the Lord gave me a true Sense and Sight , by his Power , in my young and early Years , he having inclined my Heart after him from my Youth , I bless his Holy Name . The same Person whom I cited before , goes on , viz. I do not conceive that he , ( i. e. G. W. ) denies either the Divinity or Humanity of our Lord Jesus Christ : The Father is Creator , the Son Creator , the Holy Ghost Creator ; and yet they are not Three Creators , but One Creator . Thus he : Consequently , not properly called Co-creators ; for that would imply Three Creators . And I think I might more warrrantably oppose the same than my Adversary imply Three intelligent Beings in the Godhead , by his definition of a Person , that every intelligent BEING is a Person ; that is the meaning of the word Person ( saith he ) p. 5. Whence it follows , That if there be Three distinct Persons in the Deity , they are Three distinct intelligent Beings ; unless he 'll argue as one of his Brethren did ; They are not Three Substances , therefore ▪ Three Persons . Another having given Aquinas his definition of a Person , as being an individual Substance of a rational Nature , which is neither the part of another , nor upheld by another . But now if they be not Three Beings , nor Three Substences , how well have these Men defended a principal Article of their Faith ? Seeing the Father , the Word and Holy Ghost are owned by Christians to be One Being ; One Substance ; therefore not Three Beings nor Three Substances . My speaking of Christ as the only begotten of the Father ; and for his Divinity , as he was the Brightness of the Father's Glory , and express Image of his divine Substance , and thereupon questioning T. Danson , where doth the Scripture say , That his Soul was created ? This Question is no Determination that it was , or was not . Christ , as God , his Soul was increated . As Man , his Soul or Spirit was not the Deity , but formed and assumed by the Word . The Word , or Son of God , who made the Worlds , was not a Creature , because he made all Creatures . Though he took upon him a most pure and perfect Soul and Body , he took upon him the Seed of Abraham , that he might in both Soul and Body suffer for Mankind , and sympathize with us in bearing our Sorrows and carrying our Griefs ; and that his Soul might be in Travel for us , and made an Offering for Sin , and poured out unto Death , Isa. 53. By my said Question I chiefly eyed his Divinity , considering him as he proceeded and came out from God , and as he was glorified with the Father , before the World began . Upon the whole , my Adversary's Charge of Heresie upon me and the Quakers , against the Incarnation of Christ , p. 2. as also his Author G. Keith's publick Aspersions , That G. W. disowns Christ to be God , and denied him to be Man , Narr . p. 16. These are to tell the World , That we own no Christ at all : Wherein , as they have both grosly wrong'd my Intention , Principle and publick Testimony , I am persuaded G. K. has wronged his own Conscience , and that he must needs know the contrary of me , in this and some other things , for which he is accountable to the just God. For by questioning the Words created or human Soul , I did not thereby intend to deny Christ to be truly Man , as is unduly insinuated against me , p. 2. but rather to own , That tho' Christ was truly Man in Soul and Body , yet that his Soul was more divine than any other Mans or Mens ; and therefore he may be said to be a most divine Man , and more of the divine and increated Life in his Soul , than in any other Man's whatsoever ; and that therefore the word human , as it relates to the Ground or Earth , from which the Body of Man was taken , I might suppose was too low or mean a Character or Epithite to give to the Soul of Christ , or to his spiritual glorious Body either ; and I hope I deserve not blame in this , while I was careful not to lessen the Glory or Dignity of the Son of God , ( as he is the Lord from Heaven ) by not allowing him to be from beneath or Earthly , either in Soul or Body in his glorified State ; and I am perswaded that some so much insisting upon the word Human Soul and Body of Christ , gives the Socinians more advantage than my pleading for his Divinity and Heavenly glory both as God and Man. To my Question to Robert Gordon , I think there 's no real Cause for Offence to be taken at it , if the Occasions ministred by him , were Impartially taken notice of , which they are not by this partial Adversary . As R. G.'s great Ignorance both of the Light and Saving-work of Christ in Man ; excluding Christ's work of Salvation and Justification , &c. as all done and finished without Man , even when no good is wrought in Man ; and pleading for Imperfection and Sin in Man , in so much that Geo. Keith charged the said Gordon with 18 corrupt Doctrins , and above 20 Lyes and false Accusations , in the conclusion of my Book , Entituled , The Nature of Christianity in the true Light asserted , Printed Anno 1671. And yet this officious Adversary takes his part , excusing him , in defence of G. Keith against us , as he has done also in his Snake in the Grass , which is such a piece of confused Mixture and Medley , as I have seldom ever met withal . My Question to R. Gordon as Cited : Dost thou look for Christ as the Son of Mary , to appear outwardly in a bodily Existence to save thee ? If thou dost , thou mayest look until thy Eyes drop out , before thou wilt see such an appearance of him ? And what proof is made of this against me ? But that I do not acknowledge that Christ has now the Body of a Man , or will come in that Body to Judge the World. Answ. Neither do I deny it . If I do not acknowledge it in this Passage , I do in many others , namely , that Christ as the Heavenly Man has his own proper glorious Body , wherein he will come to Judge the World at the last day . And therefore do not hold that Christ has no bodily Existence ( or being ) without us , as G. K. accuseth me , Narr . p. 16. He wrongs me in this , as in divers other things . But upon R. Gordon 's pretending a perfect Justification and Redemption of Sinners without them , when no good is wrought in them ; and yet granting that Christ's appearing the second time is without Sin to Salvation . But then his deferring this till the Resurrection of the Body , this I confess , was so offensive to me , that I put the said Question ; the reason whereof appears more at large in my said Answer , Nature of Christianity , p. 29. It being always my Judgment , with many others , that Salvation from Sin should be expected in this Life , and Christ's second appearance for that end also , mentioned Heb. 9. 28. That this ought not to be put off till the last day , but expected even in this Life as in the Apostles days . There were those then that looked for him to whom his appearance the second time without Sin unto Salvation was promised , and the true Believers were not disappointed of their expectations in that weighty matter . As many have been who have expected to see Christ's outward coming in Person ( with their carnal Eyes ) to save them . Besides , 't is true in Fact , that those carnal Eyes of many fail them , drop out or rot , before they can see Christ's outward appearance , or coming in the last day to Judgment . And G. Keith himself , as well as I , have charged false and corrupt Doctrin upon Robert Gordon , particularly in his asserting , That Redemption , Justification and Reconciliation , is finished and compleated by what Christ did and suffered outwardly , and not in our Persons , and without the help of any thing to be wrought in us . Artic. 6 , 8 , 12 of his Charge against Gordon , Nature of Christianity , p. 70 , 71 , 72. And why now I should be accused by G. Keith or his Advocate , for the words before to R. G. as if I denied Christ to appear in , or to have a Bodily Existence or Being , I see no just Cause , but rather that G. K. does therein ( as in many other things ) interfere with himself and his own former Testimony , which is directly agreeable to what I have said , and more severe and positive , as in his Help in time of need , p. 78 , 79. In these words , viz. And now whether ye will hear or forbear , this I do declare unto you , in the Name and Power , and Authority of the living God , the day of the Lord is of a truth broken up among us , and ye shall look till your Eyes fail you , and rot within your Eye-holes , e're ever you see another day , or appearance of Jesus Christ to your comfort , than what we the People of the Lord called Quakers , do witness come , and yet more abundantly coming , and if ye will not hear , my Soul shall mourn for you in secret places , and weep before the Lord on your behalf . Quere , Was this to deny Christ to have any Bodily Being ? If G. K. may be cleared herein , I may be clear from and against his own Judgment unduly given upon me . I see no vehement ( or any ) denyal of Christ's being either Bodily ( or Spiritually ) at God's right hand , as I am accused , p. 3. by Questioning the Words and Terms of R. G. What Scripture proof has he for these words , That Christ existeth outwardly bodily without us at God's right hand ? And what , and where is God's right hand ? Is it Visible or Invisible ? Within us or without us only ? And is Christ the Saviour as an outward Bodily Existence , or Person without us distinct from God ; and on that consideration , to be Worshipped as God , yea or nay ? And where doth the Scripture say , he was outwardly and bodily glorified at God's right hand ? &c. These Questions are no conclusions nor any positive determinations , and they carry in them the reason thereof , namely , 1. Our then Adversary's excluding Christ as to his being out of his People and Saints , because at God's right hand ; which has been the common Argument of divers of them . 2. Their neglect and opposition to Christ's inward spiritual appearance , and saving work in the heart , under pretence of his outward and bodily Existence at God's right hand ; which expressions I did the more Question , because of the common and gross sense wherein many are apt to take them , as a bodily Being , like their own earthly Bodies of Flesh and Blood , which cannot inherit the Kingdom of God , 1 Cor. 15. 50. And because they commonly have opposed his being at God's right hand , to his inward and spiritual appearance , asserting the one in opposition to the other , having expressed very gross and carnal conceits of Christ's outward and bodily Existence at God's right hand ; thence inferring that the true Christ is not in Men , which Argument and Inference I deny ; the reason whereof may farther appear . As for instance , John Newman whom G. K. and his Advocate has sided with against me , argues thus . Christ cannot dwell in Man , for Christ is perfect Man , as well as perfect God , in his Book stiled , The Light within , p. 61. Again , If Jesus Christ be with the Father , then he is not in Man , and that therefore 't is a feigned Christ and Light within , p. 47 , 66 , 72. I deny the Argument , both of the first Proposition and Consequence ; Christ being with the Father , or at God's right hand , is no reason or proof that he is not in Man. To which I then Answered J. N. Christ ascended , p. 20 , 21. Doth Christ's being with the Father , or at his right hand , hinder him from being in his People ? This is gross Error , and contrary to plan Scripture , 2 Cor. 13. Know you not how that Jesus Christ is in you , except ye be reprobates ; and this is neither a feigned Christ , nor a feigned Light , as Blasphemously and Scornfully he words it : And what doth J. N. think or imagin concerning God , his right hand and being ? And Christ at God's right hand , that he thus would exclude , limit and seem to confine them out of all Men ? Doth not this oppose the Infiniteness and Omnipresence of God and Jesus Christ , and bring them under the limitation of finite Creatures ? With much more upon this Subject in the places Quoted . I do not find that my Answer to J. N. is a denying Christ's outward appearance at the great day , as accused , p. 4. But rather a Questioning such a manner of appearance , as he and others carnally expected to be seen with their carnal Eyes ; as having declared that Jesus Christ Rose and Ascended Flesh and Blood , and those that pierced him in his Body , shall see that Body visibly come again . I Answered , These are not the words of Scripture , but added ; and for Answer to him , I referred to Rev. 1. 7 , 8 , 13 , 14 , 16. In none of which is Jesus Christ called ( or represented as ) a Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones , visibly to come again , &c. The words Blood and Bones , G. Keith has in recital hereof injuriously left out in his Gross Error and Hypocrisie , p. 3. And yet makes use of the place to defame me with unbelief in a fundamental Doctrin of Christian Faith ; and the same words , as Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones , he has likewise left out in his injurious Citation and Construction in his Nar. p. 17. He has also left out this following Passage on the same Subject : Howbeit His ( Christ's ) appearance shall be universal , seen both to the Joy of the Righteous , and universal Conviction and Condemnation of the Wicked , who have rejected his Light within , and his saving appearance thereby made manifest ; yea every Eye shall see him both of Good and Bad , both those that have waited for his second coming without Sin to Salvation , and they also which have Pierced and Crucified him , &c. Christ Ascended , Printed in 1669. p. 22 , 23. I never heard before , That 't is a Fundamental Doctrin of the Christian Faith , That Jesus Christ either consisteth of a Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones , or is in such a Body to come again visibly , to Mens carnal Eyes they now have ; which was the very thing I Questioned in the places Quoted against me by G. K. Light and Life , p. 41. Printed in 1668. And Christ Ascended , p. 21 , 22 , 23. Wherein , in the first , he has left out the Question , Did John see him with carnal Eyes , on Rev. 1 ? And of the glory of the Father , wherein the Son of Man shall come , Mat. 16. 27 , 28. Luke 9. 26 , 27. Is it visible to the carnal Eye ? left out ; and in the latter , after in none of which , ( i.e. Scriptures Quoted ) is Jesus Christ represented as a Body of Flesh , here Blood and Bones are left out , which is very unfair , and more unjust , to render me an unbeliever thereupon ; like as if one should deal thus by a Quotation out of G. K.'s Way cast up , p. 131. After [ it being no more a Body ] to leave out [ of Flesh Blood and Bones ] and then how would [ but a pure Ethereal or Heavenly Body ] stand or co-here ? which he speaks of the glorious Body of Christ. Though I have always opposed the Gross and Carnal conceirs of many about the Resurrection , I do not believe that Christ's glorious Body and the Saints Resurrection Bodies , ( which must be like unto his , ) shall be all shut up in Invisibility , so as not to be seen or known one of another , But that in Christ's Kingdom of Glory hereafter they shall as truly see and know one another , as the Angels of God in Heaven do , to whom they shall be Equal . Note , That our present Adversary's granting , Christ's Body to be glorified in Heaven , and much changed from the condition it was in upon the Cross , p. 4. And also , That such a gross Notion of the Resurrection , no Christian ever held , as if the Body were to rise in the same Grossness and Carnality that it has in this Life . And that G. K. has sufficiently explained himself , and that the Body when raised , shall be the same as to substance , but not as to the Grossness and Carnality as now ; and did Illustrate it by the Chymical Extraction of Spirits out of Herbs , &c. p. 26. As G. K. saith , How much more ought we to acknowldge the Wisdom and Power of God who not only can , but will change the Bodies of the Saints from all gross and terrestrial Qualities , to be Heavenly and Spiritual ; the Husk or drossy Part , ( that is no more the true Body , than Dross in a lump of rich Oar of Gold is Gold ) being excepted , Gross Er. p. 13. and p. 9. We must needs think ( saith he ) That Christ's Body was really Terrestrial , i.e. had Terrestrial Qualities when it was upon Earth ; But now it is Heavenly endued altogether with Heavenly Qualities , as the Bodies of the Saints will be at the Resurrection , &c. But to be more full and plain , observe what he saith in his Way cast up , p. 131. That Body that was crucified on the Cross at Jerusalem , and is now Ascended and Glorified in Heaven , which remaineth the same in Substance that it was on Earth , although it be wonderfully changed as to the Mode and Manner of its being : It being no more a Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones ; but a pure Ethereal or Heavenly Body , like unto which the Bodies of the Saints are to be at the Resurrection . Now observe this great and wonderful change of Christ's glorified Body , and of the Saints Resurrection Bodies , was not heretofore granted by our former Adversaries , as T. Elwood truly observes , though very untruly charg'd with horrid and sensless Imputation , and notorious Falshood , p. 4. for saying , It is well known that many of the Baptists , as well as others of other Professions , do hold the Body of Christ now in Heaven , to be as really and materially a Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones , as it was when it was upon the Cross. That many have so held both of Christ's glorious Body and the Resurrection Bodies , hath been notoriously known to us and many others , as my said Answer to the said Newman partly shews , p. 17. 18. And our answers to Tho. Hickes and Mathew Caffin and T. Grantham rendred Christ's Body Heaven , such a one as his Quakers Ref. p. 40 , 41. And Thomas Vincent ( and others ) his gross conceits may be seen in his Illustrations about the Resurrection , noted in our Book entituled , The Christian Quaker , in folio , 2d . part p. 161 , 162 , 163 , 164 , 165. &c. The most that ever I discoursed of those our former Adversaries , have held the Resurrection in that gross sense mentioned , by T. E. except Jer. Ives , tho' a contentious Adversary , yet in that Point more ingenuous than most of his Brethren in those Days . At a publick Dispute between some of us and some Baptists at Chersey in Surry , when a Question about the Body of Christ in Heaven , was Ignorantly obtruded by William Burnett ; his Brother Jer. Ives in answer to my speaking of Christ's various appearances , as in divers Forms , after he rose , said , What change or alteration His Body might have , we cannot determine , nor what Glory he is in ; for to enquire with what Body the Dead are raised is absurd , Christ Ascended , p. 19 , 20. Now it is observable in our former controversies on this Point , The Question put to us was not , Whether the Saints shall come forth in the Resurrection , with their Bodies of such a Spiritual , Pure and Heavenly Extract , as to be free from all Carnality , Grossness , Dross , Husk and Terrestrial Qualities ; even so as no more to be Bodies of Flesh , Blood and Bones , but Pure Ethereal or Heavenly Bodies , like unto Christ's glorious Body ? According to G. K's and his Advocates confession . I say , this was not the Question we controverted then : But , whether the same numerical Body , of Flesh , Blood and Bones that dies , shall be raised ? This we have objected against , and the same Substance ; that is , the same gross Substance and Bodily Existence of Flesh , Blood and Bones ; this we have excepted against . But Resurrection Bodies of such a refined Extract and Celestial Substance , as is not Flesh and Blood , but free from that Dross and Husk , as is now proposed , was not in controversy , that ever I remember between us and our former Adversaries . However G. K. should be so ingenuous as to tell the People , what he means by the same Body for Substance , that shall rise , that it is not the same Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones ; but a pure spiritual ethereal heavenly extract Body , and then see how that will take : And I think he 'l gain no more popularity in that Point , than those of us he Quarrels with , without just Cause . Otherwise 't is very disingenuous to hide himself under general and indefinite Terms , by telling the People , the same Bodies that dye shall arise the same in Substance , and not tell them what Substance that is , that is not Flesh , Blood and Bones ; for under those general Terms they may take him to mean in the common and gross sense of the same Flesh and Blood , who understand nothing of a Celestial Seed or Ethereal substance hid in these gross Bodies , or in their first Elements which they are to be dissolved into , whether in the Earth , Fire or Water , wherein many Bodies have been destroyed , dissolv'd and consum'd . That Scripture , Jo. 14. 19. Yet a little while and the World seeth me no more : ( which G. K. thinks he better translates , as yet or not as yet ) Nar. p. 17. However I did not alledge it to prove , that Christ has no Body at all , as in Nar. p. 17. herein G. K. wrongs me ; but that the World should see Christ no more in that manner wherein they then saw him : That which they then saw of him with their carnal Eyes , they should see no more , i.e. as in the Flesh. And how should they , if his glorified Body be no more a Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones , but a pure Ethereal or Heavenly Body , they must have other Eyes to see him withal , as such than these same Eyes of Flesh they now have . Again , I am manifestly mis-represented by G. K. Narr . p. 18. As thinking all Anthropomorphites and Muggletonians , who believe that the Man Christ has any bodily Existence in Heaven ; which was none of my Answer or Argument : But upon J. Newmans excluding Christ out of all Men , because at the right hand of God as a personal Being , and calling Christ within only a feigned Christ , as his terms were ; this Argument I opposed , and still do , as no sufficient reason to exclude the true Christ out of all Men , and therefore gave this Answer , i.e. This manner of excluding God's right hand , and Christ to a limitation ( as wholly ) out of his People in a Personal Being , ( which are no Scripture Terms ) still implyes him to be such a Personal God or Christ , like the Anthropomorphites ; &c. Now I say again , If any one should argue in better Terms , that Christ is a glorious Intelligent Being at God's right hand , without all Men , Ergo , he is not in Men , no not in believers ; I deny the Consequence , for this is to limit the Omnipresent God to a remoteness as well as Christ , and tends to gratifie the carnal imaginations of such as have formed an Idea or Imagination of God and his right hand , like a Person or Man remote and without all Men , under such limitation as the Anthropomorphites did , and that according to the common speaking , when we say such a Person , we mean such a Man whom we call a Person , ( as we do a Woman also ) and my Adversarie's also more finely defining a Person to be a Spirit , p. 5. will neither help the Argument for the Baptist against us , nor amend some Mens carnal Imaginations of a Personal God like themselves ; for who are most carnal in their Thoughts about God , are most apt to imagin carnally of him ; and suppose any should argue in this Man's Terms , That Christ being at God's right hand , who is a Spirit , Ergo , not in believers or any Men , this would bespeak as much Ignorance as the former , and more Absurdity , to suppose God a limited circumscribed Spirit , not Infinite nor Omnipresent , which is to oppose his being the true God , as he is an Infinite Omnipresent Spirit , Power , Life , Light and Wisdom . Besides , my Animadversion is very plain to J. N. in this case , Christ Ascended , p. 69. If the indwelling of God and Christ be such in his People , and the Saints in such near Union and Conjunction with Christ , as the Branches with the Vine , and the Members with the Body ; ( as in contradiction to himself he confessed ) then 't is false and a lying Imagination , to imagin either Christ , God , and his right hand so remote as not to dwell in any Man , no not in their own People . And I may add , 't is also contrary to God's own promise , to dwell in them and walk in them , and to his saving and upholding them by his own right hand . Christ's being set at God's right hand , bespeaks his Exaltation , Dignity and Glory , obtained through his Humiliation and Sufferings , but not an exclusion of Christ , of God or his right hand , as if each were limitted or circumscribed wholly without all Men , and as not to be in any Men , as they are in a true Spiritual and Scripture sense . p. 6. My telling J. Horn and T. Moor , That the Nature of Christ is pure , but theirs filthy , therefore not in Christ , as they said it was , whilst pleading for Sin as their natural Heritage during this life . This was simply in Opposition to the Antinomian Sin-pleasing Notion , of their being justified and pure in Christ , when in themselves filthy and actually Sinful , which was all one , as if I had told them , you are not in Christ nor Heirs with him , whilst in your selves filthy and Sin your natural Heritage , which is far from any such false Notion , as that Christ could not take on him Man's nature , except he took on him the pollution of it . 'T is none of my Notion , nor intended in the Passage before , but unjustly cast upon me by G. K. Narr . p. 7. and his Advocate , Satan Disrob'd , p. 6. To my Adversary's confidently asserting , That J. Faldo , nor any other did ever oppose this , That they should Preach ONLY the Incarnation and Sufferings of Christ at Jerusalem , i.e. without Preaching likewise the inward operations of his Spirit in our hearts , Satan Disrob'd , p. 7. And that if W. P. or T. E. cannot name one single Man , much less any of those Communions which he disputes against , that ever thought Christ's outward appearance would ever save them without his inward appearance in their Consciences , then against whom have they disputed ? p. 8. Answ. Yes I can name one single Man whom he has vindicated against us , ( in G. K.'s behalf ) who has both thought and said as much as , that Christ's outward Appearance and Sufferings has saved them , without his Appearance or Work in them , and that is the said R. Gordon , and it 's Charged against him , among his many other corrupt Doctrins by G. Keith , in my and his Book , Entituled , The Nature of Christianity , p. 70 , 71. Artic. 1. That Christ without us upon the Cross , hath already subdued all things , finish'd Transgression , made an end of Sin , abolish'd Condemnation and Death . Art. 8. That Redemption , Justification , were finished and compleated in the Crucified Body in Christ for us , not in our Persons . Art. 12. That Redemption and all things are wrought ; purchas'd for us , without the help of any thing to be wrought in us . These G. Keith Charged upon him , with many more as corrupt Doctrins . So that here was one Man , ( i.e. R. G. and too many more ) that has laid the whole Stress and Work of Man's Salvation , only upon Christ's outward Appearance and Suffering , without his inwarad appearance and operations by his Spirit in us . Which is corrupt Doctrin and repugnant to that of the necessity of Regeneration , and being born again , without which no entrance into God's Kingdom . Another Passage by the way I observe , Whereafter this Advocate for G. K. has represented T. Ellwood , as telling how little of difficulty there is in barely and historically believing this , ( i.e. that God sent Christ to dye for Sinners , and to reconcile God to Men by his Death ) the common Faith of all that part of the World called Christian shews , &c. p. 11. He grants , That though that Belief alone will not do , yet that it is not so easie a matter , truly to believe this , even historically : But that 't is a hard Task with the Quakers , and opposed by the Socinians , ( i.e. the satisfaction by Christ's outward Death ) and by all the Deists open Debauchees , and among the Profligate and Prophane of the meaner Rank , few if any of them do really believe it , even historically , or forget it and never think of it , otherwise it would have a greater influence upon them , p. 11 , 12. He might have been so charitable or just , as to have ranked the Quakers among better company , and not to thus scandalize them , who sincerely believe the sacred History of Christ's Death for Sinners , and Reconciliation thereby , but do experience the influence and fruit thereof , by his holy Spirit , according to their growth in Grace , who faithfully follow him in his Light. The Passage I am to observe ( as his Reason for what goes before ) follows , viz. For the Historical Faith must be inseparable from the saving Faith , aud indeed the saving Faith is the Historical throughly digested and applyed , p. 12. Which is to conclude that none have the saving Faith , but those who have the Historical ; consequently , that all must be damned who have not the historical Faith of Christ dying for Sinners , whereby he has at once condemned all Nations or Peoples , both Infants dying in Innocency , and all others who have not the History or historical Faith of Christ's sufferings and Death , tho' it was really for mankind in general , and may and doth for ought he knows influence many who have not the historical Faith or knowledge thereof , otherwise the universal good and end thereof intended for all , is frustrated , to many thousands for want of the History or Preaching of Christ's Death to them ; unless G. K. can demonstrate and resolve , that the twelve Revolutions of humane Souls will make it all up : That all that are Deceased or have Dyed without the historical Faith or Knowledge of Christ Crucified , shall return and have opportunity to have Christ so Preached unto them ; which he has no divine Revelation for , but rather a long exploded Hypothesis or Supposition , ( as in the first part Heathenish ) and therefore the more difficult Task to give any certain demonstration of the same . 'T is farther observable , what uncertainty as well as inconsistency , this Advocate for G. K. is in , even in this Point . He saith , viz. How God will deal with the good moral Heathen , who never heard of Christ , I will not determine , nor enter into the Secrets of Providence , p. 12. When he has determin'd already , that if they have not the historical Faith , they have not the saving Faith , if they be inseperable as he has asserted : For 't is certain without some saving Faith , they cannot be saved , as without Faith it is impossible to please God. But he appears as pinching and partial , in his following objection against the Light , as he is uncharitable in the Premises , viz. But that they , ( i.e. the good moral Heathen ) have the Christian Faith by believing their Light within , Or that there is any object of the Christian Faith without the outward Jesus who suffered at Jerusalem , is a Quakers Dream , and opposite to the whole Tenure of the Gospel , p. 12. Hence observe . 1. This is to deny the Gentiles any Christian Faith , who believe in the Light given them according to God's promises to them ; yea though they be good moral Men , who so believe , as if they could be good or pious without any Christianity in them : Which is to oppose the blessed end of Christ being so given for a Light of the Heathen , and Salvation to the ends of the Earth . 2. It is to deny the Light of Christ , or Christ as the Light within , to be any object of the Christian Faith ; contrary to Christ's Doctrin : Believe in the Light that ye may be the Children of the Light. 3. The last part of the Objection implies , that either Christ as without , and Christ as within is divided , or that there are awo Christs , an outward Christ , and an inward Christ , whereas there is but one Lord Jesus Christ. And his Light within cannot be without or divided from him , who is the Fountain of Light and Life . 4. 'T is not opposite ( but according ) to the Tenour of the Gospel , to believe in the Light or Word of Faith , ( i.e. Christ as within nigh in the Heart ; ) which hath both Law and Gospel , Judgment and Mercy in it to Minister , suitable to Mens states and conditions . And in this Light or Word , we meet with the great Ends , Benefits , or Fruit of Christ's suffering and Mediation , which are manifest and come to be fulfilled in all , who truly believe in and obey the same Word , whereby the Gospel is preached in every Creature under Heaven , yea even in many thousands of Souls who have not the outward History of Christ's suffering and Death ; tho' both the sacred History and sincere Preaching thereof by the Spirit of Christ , be of great use and advantage , and in no wise to be rejected where God is pleas'd to afford them . But seeing , He that believes not in the Son of God is condemned already , and the wrath of God abides upon him , because he obeyeth not the Son of God , John 3. 18. consequently the Son of God is offered unto all , and his Grace is given and appears unto all mankind that they may believe in him and thereby lay hold on him for Life and Salvation . Christ plainly gives the reason of Mens condemnation when he there saith , This is the Comdemnation that Light is come into the World , and Men loved Darkness rather then Light , beeause their Deeds were Evil , John 3. 19. Otherwise to represent God to condem and bring his Wrath upon Men , for not believing in that they never had , or which was never afforded nor appeared unto them . This were Blasphemously to render God Unjust , Unmerciful and most cruel to Condemn and bring his Wrath upon Men for an Impossibility ; for how should they believe in , or obey the Son of God , if no saving Grace or Power of believing be afforded unto them ? This were like as to bind their hands and feet , and lock all Food from them , and then bid them walk and work or else starve . But our good God is no such hard Master , who willeth not the Death of Sinners , but rather their return to him that they may live , and for this end hath sent his Son to be the Saviour of the World. As for innocent Infants , or little Children who dye in Innocency , Divine Providence has provided for their safety , by Christ Jesus , his Meditation and Seed of eternal Life in them ; and their Angels , who see the face of God continually , are ready to carry their Souls into the Heavenly Kingdom , when they dye in that State. My Objecting against W. Burnet , about the Blood of Christ that was shed on the Cross , was first and chiefly , upon his holding , That the shedding of the Blood of Christ upon the Cross , that was let out by vertue of the Spear being thrust into his side , to be meritorious , or the meritorious cause of Man's Justification , which his Brother Ives could not stand by him in ; but supposed a meaning for him . Secondly , That the same Blood that was shed , doth both purge and sprinkle their Conscieuces , sanctifie and justifie them , and yet that 't is not in Being , but cumpared to a price lost , as more at large in my Answer , Light and Life , p. 7 , 8. & p. 64. together with their contradictions about it , referring to W. Burnet's Book and their Discourses . But now to excuse his saying , That Blood is not in Being , this Advocate will have it , that he only gives way to this supposition of the Quakers , by way of Concession , not as his own Opinion , p. 16. 'T is a wonder the Man 's not ashamed to use such a slim come off and false cover for him , when 't was a real Confession , and not forced from him as a meer Concession for Argument sake , why should he compare it then to a price lost ? And another Baptist , Thomas Brown , confess'd that the Blood that was shed , is not in Being , it sunk into the ground , Light and Life , p. 66. The occasion of my Questioning them so much about this matter , was because they seem'd to place the great stress of Man's Salvation upon the outward Blood of Christ and the act of shedding of it , as if it were the present agent operating in them , Purging , sprinkling their Consciences , Sanctifying and Justifying , without making the Spirit the Operator or Efficient thereof ; whereas both Sanctification , washing and cleansing from Sin , Regeneration , Justification , and so Salvation , are more principally ascribed to the Spirit , the Grace , the Word of God , yea , to Christ himself , than to the act of shedding that Blood , or to that Blood it self ; yet I never opposed that as being a part of the Sacrifice of Christ , offered for Sinners , in order to a Pacification , Attonement and Reconciliation . And farther , to his comparison between the Baptists declaring the Blood shed on the Cross not in being , and the Agonies and Passions of Christ upon the Cross , as not now in being , I do not therefore dissolve all the merits of his Sufferings or Death to our Justification thereby . I do not so Argue , ( as implyed against me ) that because his Passion was Temporal and Finite , therefore not Meritorious ; for the Merits or disserving on Christ's part , is placed upon his Obedience in humbling himself to Death , even to the Death of the Cross , wherefore God hath highly exalted him , &c. Phil. 2. 8 , 9. whose Exaltation and Dominion is for our Salvation , if we submit to him as our Leader , Commander and King. But my distinction for Argument is this , Tho' that Blood and Sacrifice were offered as a price in order to Man's Redemption , it is the Power and Spirit of Christ , that inwardly operates and quickens the Soul to God , purifies and sanctifies the Conscience , and so effectually saves us from Sin and Pollution . The Price is already paid , but the Work is yet undone in many ; we value the Price , but must not neglect the Work of our Redemption and Salvation in us ; for Christ's Sacrifice will not save , justifie or acquit any in a State of impenitency or unbelief ; they must know the work of his Grace and Good Spirit in their hearts unto Repentance and Obedience of Faith in Christ , or else they perish in their impenitency and wilful unbelief , whereby they make both the Cross and blood of Christ of none effect unto them . Except a Man be regenerate and born again , he cannot see , nor enter into the Kingdom of God. And I conceive I am not to be blamed , much less ranked among Ranters ( as G. K. has , Narr . p. 25. ) for ascribing the saving work of sprinkling the Conscience , sanctifying and justifying principally to the inward Grace and Spirit , more than to the Blood shed upon the Cross. I say again , I see no necessity of directing Men to the Type for the Antitype , to Jerusalem or the Temple , p. 17. either for Jesus Christ or his Blood there , but that such direction is contrary to what the Righteousness of Faith saith , Ro. 10. 6 , 7 , 8. compared with Deut. 30. 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 , 15. Tho' we also Preach Christ as he was Crucified and Dyed at Jerusalem , and raised from the Dead , and I do not say that 's contrary to Ro. 10. as G. K. wrongs me several times over , Narr . p. 26 , 27. But to direct Men either to go to the material Temple at Jerusalem , or to look to Jerusalem for Jesus Christ the Antitype of that Temple , &c. This I deem'd contrardictory to Ro. 10. above quoted ; but they are to turn and look to the Word of Faith nigh in the Heart , where they may Livingly find , feel and know Christ in Spirit and Power , even in the Power of his Resurrection , so as to be enabled both to confess with the Mouth the Lord Jesus , and believe in the Heart , that God raised him up from the Dead . And this word of Faith and of God is confessed unto by G. K. himself to be the Object and Foundation of true Faith ; and that this is Christ in them , and that from the same Scriptures I quoted , Deut. 30. 12 , 13. Ro. 10. 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9. As more fully appears in his immediate revelation , p. 3. & p. 64 , 65. Print . 1668. Therefore 't is not to destroy nor allegorize away the Object of Faith , to direct People to Christ as the word of Faith nigh in the Heart , as the Object thereof , nor is it Antichristian Doctrin , as G. K. has unjustly accused me in this Point , Narr . p. 27. contrary to his former confessions . And suppose any one in deep distress for want of Christ to free and save him from Sin should earnestly enquire , where shall I find him ? Whither will you direct me to find Christ ? And one should answer , I direct thee to Jerusalem , to the material Temple , to the Type for Christ the Antitype ; and should again say , I direct thee to Christ as above the Clouds , and not to Christ as the Light within , and then call the Light within an uncertain Guide , ( as the Baptist did whom I answered in this Case ) How would this answer the distressed Soul ? Or agree with the Testimony of Moses , or of Paul the Apostle of Jesus Christ , in Deut. 30. 11 , 12 , 13 , 14. and Rom. 10. 6 , 7 , 8 , 9. As for what the Righteousness of Faith saith ? I should rather answer the Question according to the Testimony of Moses and the Apostle , Whither shall I be directed to go to find Christ ? Answer , Say not in thine Heart , who shall Ascend into Heaven , that is , to bring Christ down from above ? Or , who shall Descend into the Deep ; that is , to bring Christ again from the Dead ? But what saith it ? The Word is nigh thee , even in thy Mouth and in thine Heart ; that is the Word of Faith which we Preach . And this Word of Faith will bring thee to know the great benefit and fruit of Christ's Death at Jerusalem for thee , and the power of his Resurrection , that thou mayest thereby be enabled livingly to confess with thy Mouth the Lord Jesus , and believe in thine Heart that God hath raised him from the Dead , so as thou mayest be saved by him . But I yet say , to preach Christ as a remote outward Christ only in opposition to his Light and Word of Faith within , ( as in the Heart ) is to keep People in unbelief , remote from the true Faith and Knowledge of Christ , either as without us or within us ; which opposition ought not to be to Christ in either respect . As concerning Sol. Eccles saying , That the Blood that was forced out of Christ's Side with the Spear after he was Dead , being no more than the Blood of another Saint . p. 19. and Nar. p. 28. Concerning which I said , I do not make S. E. his Expressions therein an Article of our Faith , for I own that in one sense the Blood shed was more than that of another Saint , ( tho' not in the visible matter of it ) more , in that it had a peculiar signification for Christ , the one offering was the Man peculiarly ordain'd and appointed of God , both to bear the Sins of many and to end the many offerings under the Law , and in all his Example and Sufferings that were permitted to be laid upon him , he both Answered , Fulfilled and ended the outward part and administration of the Law and Shadows , and performed the Father's Will therein , and was particularly Eyed and Prophesied accordingly by the Holy Prophets ; and through all his sufferings in the Flesh he gave an universal Testimony , and Consecrated a New and Living way , even through the Veil , that is to say his Flesh ; that the way into the most Holy might be manifest , Light and Life , p. 58 , 59. In the first place , I did shew a dislike of S. E's Expressions before cited , in not allowing them as an Article of our Faith : tho' I was willing Charitably to improve his own explication , so far as it would bear a Charitable Construction , with respect to his own declared Estimation of the Blood of Christ , it 's Value and Vertue . 2dly , I shewed in part my estimation of the Blood and whole Sacrifice or Offering of Christ , both in respect to the Blessed Testimony , Value and Efficacy thereof ; more than that of any other Saint or Saints , which manifestly differs from S. E.'s Expressions before cited . However , if I have not been thought plain enough in this matter , let me be allowed so much candor , as to be credited , in being more full and plain therein ; I disown his said comparison of the Blood of Christ , with that of another Saint ; and believe he was not in the Counsel or Wisdom of God therein , tho' I did charitably construe his meaning , with respect to the sincerity he had towards God , and his self denying crucified Life , and Testimony he bore for Truth , in divers sufferings and respects , ( and I believe he dyed in Peace ) tho' in some things he in his zeal was not guided in true Wisdom , which was his own weakness and personal Failure , not justly chargeable on us as a People , much less on our Principle or belief of the Spirit of Truth ; or , the infallible guidance thereof . Howbeit this Adversary appears so eagerly bent against us as a People , that he is willing to take any occasion to Defame and Brand us ; as in this very Passage which he calls , The Broad and Impious Blasphemy of Sol. Eccles. He Scornfully yet Bitterly reproaches us as a People , and my self in particular , in these Words , viz. There never was surely such a Company of good natur'd forgiving People ! They can slip over , cover and excuse the Lewdest Blasphemies in a Charitable way , &c. They can see no faults in their own Friends . G. W. says of this very Passage of Sol. Eccles. That it was so harmless as might have satisfied any spiritual or unbiassed Mind , p. 21. And that this is in his Light and Life , before quoted p. 58. Wherein he notoriously wrongs me and perverts my Words ; I did not call this very Passage ( or comparison of S. E's ) harmless , but his Words declaring his high esteem of the Blood of Christ , and of the new Covenant which was not his comparison of the Blood of Christ with that of another Saint , which I have disown'd . In my answer to W. Burnet , quoted , but lamely and partially cited , p. 22. 23. § . 5. I did not call Christ's outward material Blood a Type of the mystical Blood or Light within , as my answer is perverted , but closely pursued his Argument , with exceptions which he is not cleared from by this Advocate , his Argument is this , viz. All things under the Law in the Type were purged with Blood , and this Blood was material Blood and not mystical ; and that Blood that Christ shed in order to the effecting the Salvation of Man must needs be visible and material Blood. Which is to Argue thus , that because all things under the Law were purged with material Blood , and not mystical , Ergo the Blood of Christ which purgeth the Conscience and Effecteth the Salvation of Men , must needs be Material , and not Mystical . I still deny the inference , and my answer shews where and against what my Exceptions lye . The Types and Shadows under the Law , did both point at what was Material and what was Mystical in Christ : If the legal Sacrifices , were Types of Christ and so Mystical , as is confess'd p. 23. contrary to Burnets asserting them Material , not Mystical . As in his asserting , That 't was Material Blood , not Mystical , whereby all things under the Law were purged ; but now contrarywise those Sacrifices are granted to be Mystical , because Types of Christ , the Substance and Mystery of them . My Answer to Burnet's Argument , even in the first part , left out by this Adversary , is plain and clear , viz. As if one should reason , That because the Type was Material , visible , and not Mystical , therefore the Antitype or Substance must needs be Material and not Mystical ; by this all Mysteries of divine things are excluded from being either spiritual , the Antitype , or substance . Whereas it was the Heavenly things themselves that are in Christ , in which consists the substance and end of Types and Shadows . And my subsequent exceptions against the said Argument are as plain and unanswered ; That if the Antitype was Matterial and Mystical , because the Type or Shadow was Material , then this is like as to argue , That because Circumcision which was a Type , was Material or outward , therefore the Circumcision of the Spirit which is the Antitype of it , must needs be outward too , and not Mystical ; and thus he might as well reason touching all other Types and Shadows under the Law , and the Heavenly or good things to come Prefigured or Shadowed by them , That because the Priests under the Law , ( at the outward Tabernacle or Temple ) were Ministers of outward or Temporal things , Carnal Ordinances , Shadows , &c. Therefore those good things to come , which Christ was said to be the High Priest of , must needs be Temporal and not Mystical ; which to assert were absurd , &c. And I farther proceed in my Answer , about the Heavenly and Spiritual things which the Law had the Shadow of , viz. Whereas both the Heavenly and more perfect Tabernacle and Altar , with the Heavenly things , are all Mystery and Spiritual , the Offering and living Sacrifices are Spiritual , the Passover Spiritual , the Seed Spiritual , the Bread , the Fruit of the Vine , the Oyl , the Flesh and Blood which give Life to the Soul , yea , the Water and Blood which washeth and sprinkleth the Conscience are Spiritual and Mysterious , as the New Covenant it self is , which they belong to , and these things known in . And this is the New and Living way , which Christ set open through the vail of his Flesh , Heb. 10. Let him receive this who can . And if our Adversary and his abetters know no more of the Mystery of Christ's Blood or Work of purging and sprinkling the Conscience , than their profession and application of the Material Blood , without the sanctifying Spirit and Operation of it ; they may remain long enough with defiled Consciences , and full of Envy and Malice . That precious outward Offering and Blood of Christ outwardly shed , has long been greatly abused by misapplication , and the holy design and ends thereof perverted , by carnal Professors , to indulge themselves in Sin and Disobedience against Christ during Life . Now laying aside the Baptist's Argument aforesaid , I do grant that the Material Blood ( whereby all things under the Law were purged ) as it had the very Image of the Material Blood of Christ that was outwardly shed , it was Typical thereof . And that Blood of Christ including his whole Sacrifice , argued by the Apostle to the Hebrews as the Antitype , answering and fulfiling the Types thereof , and which were not only Types of that Blood and Sacrifice as outwardly offered , but also a shadow of the inward and spiritual sprinkling , purging and sanctifying of the Conscience , by Christ our High Priest , with his Blood and Spirit of Grace . The good things to come , which the Law had the shadow of , but not the very Image of them , were Heavenly and Spiritual things , Heb. 10. 1. But the Law had the very Image or Resemblance of the Material Blood of Christ that was shed , in that it had material Blood of Sacrifices , one Blood resembles another ; therefore that Material or Natural Blood outwardly shed , was not those Spiritual and Heavenly things which the Law had the shadow , and not the very Image of . The Material and Typical Blood whereby all things were purged under the Law was sprinkled on them by Moses and the High-Priest , therefore 't is Christ our High Priest , who sprinkles and effectually purgeth the Conscience , which he doth not Literally , but Spiritually , in which work his Spirit and Power is livingly concerned , as the efficient Cause , and his Blood and whole Sacrifice in preparing and making way for , and obtaining Redemption and Remission of Sins , received upon true repentance on our parts . It 's said , How much more shall the Blood of Christ , who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God , purge your Consciences from dead works to serve the living God , Heb. 9. 14. The value , efficacy and fruit of his offering himself without spot to God , is greatly or principally placed upon the eternal Spirit ; and so is the work of Sanctification and effectually purging the Conscience , both from dead works and the pollution of Sin. That which inwardly and effectually purgeth the Conscience , and sprinkles the heart from an evil Conscience , is the Spirit , the spiritual Vertue Blood and Life of Christ , that actually purgeth and cleanseth them from all Sin , who truly walk in his light , which has the sanctifying life and vertue in it . There was a kind of expiation and purging by way of Sacrifice under the Law and old Covenant , yet the Consciences thereby not purified nor made perfect . But the Expiation or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Purgation or Cleansing , Heb. 1. 3. That 's made and prepared by Christ himself and his Sacrifice , and the Covenant of Grace and Mercy ( wherein that work of Grace is fulfiled ) Sealed with his own Blood ; this reacheth the Conscience to a real purifying and perfecting thereof by the Spirit and Power of Christ. By one Offering he hath perfected for ever them that are Sanctified , whereof the Holy Ghost also is witness to us , Heb. 10. 14 , 15. Therefore that Expiation made by that most excellent Offering without us , is fulfilled by the Spirit in the work of Sanctification within us . We are delivered from the outward Law and the Curse of it by the Body of Christ , but are made free from the Law and Sin of Death by the Law of the Spirit and Life in Christ Jesus , Ro. 7. 4. & 8. 2. To that of Act 20. 28. The Church of God which he purchased with his own Blood. Hereupon the Man has some slight flings at me , but makes very little work on 't . As to my saying , The Blood of God ( which is God's own Blood , and whereby his Church is purchas'd ) must needs be spiritual , and the Covenant of God is inward and spiritual , and so is the Blood of it , consequently both Mystical . I did not hereby hold that God is either Material , or has a Material Body or Blood , but the contrary , that his own Blood whereby his Church is purchased is more than the Material or Natural Blood of Christ that was shed , though that was a part of the Sacrifice offered for Man's Redemption ; neither dare our Adversary say that Blood could be properly called God's own Blood ( unless he holds that God has a material Body and Blood ) no more than the Annotation thereupon , which saith , Of God's own Blood , that which appertaineth to Christ's humanity , is attributed to his Divinity , because of the Communion of properties and union of the two Natures in one Person . Which Notation or the Terms of it , I shall not now dispute . But I 'le take leave to explain my self farther for the spiritual vertue and mystery of God's own Blood ( and the Blood of his everlasting Covenant , the Blood of sprinkling therein , &c. ) wherehy God has purchased his Church . God's own Blood , was no less than his own dear Son , Christ himself : It was a manner of speaking , the Blood put for the whole Offering , the innocent Blood that Judas betrayed , was Christ himself , Mat. 27. 4. And the Ransom or Price given for Man's Redemption was Christ himself , who came to give his life for the Ransome of many , Matt. 20 28. And he gave himself a Ransome for all Men , to be testified of in due time , 1 Tim. 2. 6. God spared not his own Son , but delivered him up for us all . There 's a twofold work in the Redemption , that is by Jesus Christ , 1. By the Sacrifice and Mediation of Christ , general for all Men. 2. By his Power , Spirit and Life , actually freeing and delivering the truly believing Soul from Sin and from the Nature and Being of Sin and Condemnation , because thereof , in which sense God's Church was purchased with his own Blood , and in which last and special sense my Answer was intended , as not only by the natural or outward Blood shed , but principally by the spiritual Blood or Life of Christ Jesus . God's sparing not his own Son , but delivering him up for us all , includes the whole Sacrifice of Christ in Soul and Body which were offered ; therefore God's own Blood , is such an high and elegant Phrase , as bespeaks the great love of God in Christ , as the whole Ransom and Price of Man's Redemption , both outwardly and inwardly , outwardly by the Ransom given by Christ's Sufferings and Sacrifice , and inwardly , by the operation of his Life , Power and Spirit , which Mystically is that precious Blood , that is opposed to all corruptible things , which redeems from the vain Conversation , from all Iniquity , and effectually washeth and clcanseth us from our Sins , purgeth and sprinkles our Consciences , &c. And farther , to Answer to Types and Shadows under the Law , of shedding Blood and sprinkling , &c. That God according to his Mercy saved us by the washing of Regeneration , and renewing of the Holy Ghost , which he shed on us abundantly , through Jesus Christ our Saviour , Titus 3. 5 , 6. And I 'le sprinkle clean water upon them , and wash them from all their filthiness , saith the Lord. And the Blood of sprinkling which the spiritual believers were come unto , has the same effect . And if the name of Water be attributed to the Spirit , as it is , Jo. 7. 38 , 39. Light and Life , The name of Blood may also ; which is not to Allegorize away or invalidate the outward Blood or Sacrifice of Christ , or any part thereof ; yet the Mystery thereof , we may not deny , but confess . And according to the answers I have given for the Blood of Christ , and the Mystery thereof , our deceased Friend and Brother Robert Bercley expresly agrees , whose Testimony therefore I am the more willing to cite , because G. Keith has approved of his Works , p. 60. R. B's Testimony in his Works , p. 10. follows in these words , viz. This Blood ( speaking of the Blood of Christ that is healing , &c. ) is known and felt within to wash and purge the Conscience ; for Christ as he is within is not without his Blood which is Spiritual , even the pure Blood of the Vine , and is that Wine of the Kingdom which is inwardly felt to wash and to refresh , which he gives to them who know not distinctly the outward shedding of his Blood , as it was many hundred years ago , and which many are ignorant of , who have heard much of the outward shedding of his Blood , but know not the Blood as shed and poured forth in them , to sprinkle their Consciences from dead Works ; for it is a Mystery , sealed up from all who stand in opposition to his Light within . But there mark thy own Words ( saith he to his Opponent ) The Plaster must be applyed er'e the Sore be healed . Must not then saving Grace be applyed er'e the Soul be Converted or Healed ? And R. B. treats much more largely concerning the Flesh and Blood of Christ , to the same purpose as before cited ; for the Blood of Christ , as 't is Spiritual and Mysterious &c. p. 494. 495 , 496 , 497 , 498. upon his thirteenth Proposition of his Apology , and in page 494. He has recourse to Agustin , viz. § II. The Body then of Christ which Believers partake of , is Spiritual , and not Carnal ; and his Blood which they Drink of , is Pure and Heavenly , and not Humane or Elementary ; as Augustin also affirms , Ps. 98. Except a Man Eat my Flesh he hath not in him Life Eternal : And he saith , The Words which I speak unto you are Spirit and Life , understand spiritually what I have spoken : Ye shall not Eat of this Body which ye see , and Drink this Blood which they shall spill that Crucifie me . I am the living Bread which have dscended from Heaven ; He called himself the Bread who descended from Heaven , exhorting that we should believe in him , &c. Unto which I further add for Illustration , That the pure Blood of Grapes promised to Judah and Israel , Gen. 49. 11. Deut 32. 14. was Typical of this spiritual Blood and Fruit of the Heavenly Vine Christ Jesus , which truly relieves and comforts the afflicted and sorrowful Soul that comes unto him . And also the Milk and Honey , the Butter , Oyl , and Wheat , and other Temporal Blessings which were in the promised Land , were all Types of Christ and the spiritual Blessings received in him , in his Kingdom and Heavenly Canaan . And the Oyl and Wine which the Compassionate Samaritan poured into the Wounds ( of the Man that was wounded by Thieves and left half Dead ) Luke 10. 34 were also Typical of the healing Vertue , Life and spiritual Blood of Christ Jesus , which he graciously poureth into many wounded Souls . As concerning the word Personality and Personal Existence , as applyed to God and Christ ; I have sometimes questioned , as also the word Humane , as ascribed to the glorified Body of Christ , ( which is spiritual ) and also to his Soul or Spirit , for these reasons . 1. Because imposed on us by some Adversaries without Scripture proof of those terms , and not to Question Christ's glorious Manhood ; ( for in that sense I admit of , and sometime may use the word Humanity ; either for Man , or for the Good Nature and disposition of Man , as of the word Trinity for Three , being not willing to maintain contest about Words , but to mind the thing intended thereby . ) 2. Because false Arguments have been drawn thence against Christ and his Light in Man. 3. Because of the carnal Imaginations of too many thereof , who under pretence of expecting Christ to come again in the Flesh , in the same manner as he was on Earth , and to be seen with their carnal Eyes , neglect the introversion of their Minds to Christ's inward appearance in Spirit . 4. Because whilst Men feed upon such Notions and Imaginations of Christ , excluding him out of their Hearts , they exclude the living and Heart-purifying Faith of Christ , so that their Faith is but Dead and Fruitless , whilst such seem to adore . Christ as only an outward Christ , or as wholly without them , and not in them , instead of opening the Door of their Hearts unto him to let him in , they harbour and indulge their own Corruptions , Pride , Scorn , Envy and Covetousness , &c. in their Hearts , out of which proceed all these bitter Reproches , Revilings and Calumnies , which we meet with this Day , as heretofore . In all my former questioning their unscriptural terms ( who profess the Scriptures to be their only Rule ) ascribed to God and Christ , I never designed to deny his being our Mediator as Man , nor to oppose his coming in Power and great Glory , in his gloryfied spiritual Body , to Judge the Quick and the Dead in the last Day ; tho I have sometimes shunned controversy on that Point , and about the Resurrection and last Day of Judgment ; Urging not to put the day of the Lord afar off , nor to neglect the present day of their Visitation and Judgment of Christ , by his Spirit and Light within them . The Question how are the Dead raised and with what Body come they forth , I have often waved as unnecessary as well as unwarrantable , being reprehended in some , 1 Cor. 15. 35 , 26. I being willing to acquiesce in the will of God in that matter , to give a Body as it pleaseth him , and to every Seed it s own Body as proper thereunto , ver . 38. One thing I would be better understood in , Not having fully explained a Passage in that Book , Christ Ascended , Pref. and p. 67. Where 't is implied that we do not affirm Christ is in every Man , or that every Man hath the Son , but a measure of his Light , Grace or Heavenly Gift in all . Whereby is meant Christ in his fulness is not in any Man , nor revealed in every Man , nor is every Man in Christ. Neither is Christ in every Man , as he is in them in whom the Body is Dead because of Sin , Rom. 8. 10. But as a Light , as an Immortal Seed , as the Word , he is in some degree in every Man , but every Man is not in Christ as the new Creature is , and all true Believers who walk in his Light , are in him , and he in them . And for our endeavours to draw Peoples Minds off , from their carnal expectations of Christ's outward coming again in the Flesh ; or from resting upon a fleshly knowledge of him as come in the Flesh without them only , that their Minds may be turned to his Light and Grace within them , to know his Power and Work in them . This cannot be truly deemed any Antichristian Doctrin or Ministry , and we are sure G. K. did not so deem it heretofore , but the contrary ; see his Help in time of need , p. 22. This is the Antichrist who denies Christ the Son come thus in the Revelation of himself in the Heart , for that comeing of Christ in his Bodily appearance at Jerusalem , Antichrist will not , does not deny it , being he knows it will never harm his Kingdom , so to confess him come , provided Christ's Kingdom be not set up in the Heart . So that Antichrist's work now-a-days , is to oppose Christ's spiritual Coming and Kingdom ; and yet pretend to own his coming in the Flesh : Yet this greater subtility of Antichrist's work now than formerly , will not cover his evil designs ; but the true Seed Christ will prevail , and his Power reign over that Spirit of Antichrist , and Son of Perdition . Glory to God , and to the Lamb that sitteth upon the Throne . Some of the Author to the Snake in the Grass , his notorious Lyes and Perversions , gleaned out of his said Book , Satan Disrob'd . THat they ( i.e. Quakers ) have thrown off the Baptism of his ( i.e. Christ's ) Death , having renounced the benefit of his Death it self . Note , Which are both false ; Christ's Baptism into his Death , and the benefit thereof are very precious to us . 2. p. 24. That G. W. makes the Righteousness of God to be of the same kind and nature with ours , which is Blasphemy . Note , This is not true : Christ who is made of God unto us Righteous , hath brought us to deny our own Righteousness . 3. p. 28 , 29. That heavenly Body which they ( i.e. Quakers ) talk of , most of them understand nothing by it , but the Soul it self , or an heavenly frame or disposition of the Soul , which they think they have attained already . Note , These are not true , the heavenly Resurrection Body is not the Soul it self , but a Body which God giveth as it pleaseth him . 4. p. 29. Innumerable instances might be given of lying Prophesies , the rankest Treasons and Blasphemies pronounced in the name of the Lord. And this against the Quakers , these are outragious Aspersions and Slanders . 5. p. 30. That the coming ( i.e. of Christ ) to the future judgment , this he ( i.e. G. W. ) utterly denies . I take this to be an utter Falshood : I am not conscious of such denyal , by my questioning such a manner of coming again in the Flesh , as they carnally expected , to see with their carnal Eyes , who I answered about this point . 6. p. 30. That they mean that there is no visible coming of Christ , to be now looked for outwardly . What they mean by a glor●fied heavenly Body , not any thing either visible or intelligible . This is not true : The coming of Christ to Judgment in the great and last Day , will be both seen and understood , and so will the glorified Bodies of his Saints , I really believe . Pray observe what a storm of furious Rayleries and Falshoods this Author to the Snake , &c. vents against us and other Dissenters , as followeth , viz. 7. p. 33. The Year 1650. when our new Light arose in our Hemisphere , when ( the Church being pull'd down ) the vilest and most monstrous and numerous Spawn of Multifarious Sects , that ever the bottomless Pit spew'd forth at once , were with a thousand other Devils let loose among us ! a just punishment for our Schism and Rebellion ! And we are yet left to War with the Tayl of this Hydra , which is gathering new life , and if it should ( for our Sins ) prevail , our last State would be worse than the first . Who can refrain from indignation , to see such a conceited , senseless , most ignorant and blasphemous Crew , destitute of common modesty or shame , wipe their mouths , and gravely set up themselves above all the glorious Light of the Church Confessors and Martyrs , ever since the Apostles , whom they damn as Apostates . [ Which is a gross Lye. ] I forbear Answer to these Passages , because of the grosness , outrage , ralery and notorious Falshood thereof . 8. p. 34. Denial of these four great Essentials ( so call'd ) 1. Faith in Christ , as he outwardly suffered at Jerusalem to our Salvation . 2. Justification by his Blood outwardly shed . 3. The Resurrection of the Dead . 4. The future Judgment , unjustly charged ( and perversions alledged for proof . ) 'T is mis-construction and mis-application of Christ's Sufferings and Blood without the Spirit and Operation thereof within , that we deny and not the real living Faith in Christ , concerning any of these Points , which his Spirit reveals according to holy Scripture . 9. p. 35. He saith , And it is an horrible scandal that such should be suffered under the name Protestant . As 't is the People called Quakers , he chiefly smites at ; this appears to us a bold reflection upon the Government , for so esteeming and recognizing the said People by Law , as being Protestants . Whereas G. F. Question'd about the Soul , partly in the Terms of his Adversary , i.e. Is not that a part of God and of his Being , which came out from God ? ( viz. the Breath of Life ) God breathed into Man the breath of Life , and he became a living Soul , gr . myst . This I have more fully spoken to before , and I see no great cause the Man has to quarrel with the Passage , if rightly quoted [ only the words part of God , may seem somewhat uncouth , but they were first an Aposer's words , and admitted of as from him . The breath of Life , which God breathed into Man , whereby Man became a living Soul was intended by G. F. ] Seeing he who now quarrels with us , confesseth , Man's Soul was breathed from God , and made a glorious Image of him , and partook of many excellencies and endowments which were communicated by God unto it , all this the usual opinion doth ascribe to the Soul , p. 40. of Satan Disrob'd , That Man's Soul was Breathed from God , &c. I think this Confession , and that we are his Off-spring , Act. 17. 28. is much of the same import , or near as high as what G. F. said or intended , if rightly considered ; and therefore this opposer might have spared his many Reflections in this Point . Some gleanings of Lyes , Slanders and Perversions , out of the Some Gleanings of the Author to the Snake in the Grass , returned and recharged upon him ; with brief Remarks upon them . 1. GReat Ignorance charg'd on the generality of the Quakers and that many of them do at this day plainly own the most Blasphemous ●nd Heretical Doctrins , that have been objected against them . And that such Heresies have been taught among them , and are still so understood by their People , and that vehemently , p. 1 , 2. These superlative Charges of Blasphemous Heresies , as own'd and taught among the said People , are denyed as most gross Calumnies and Abuses against them . 2. That a present Preacher of theirs , ( i.e. Quakers ) This very Year being pressed to acknowledge the Man Christ without us , and the necessity of Faith in him . Answered , The Man Christ , a F — rt . Horrid ! This we suspect , and question the Truth of it , however we deny the expression with abhorrence , and the unjust injurious improvement he makes of it , and the subsequent stories , as 3. That the said Preacher of the Quakers denyed that Christ's body rose out of the Grave , that our bodies should rise , that there would be any general Judgment , or that the Scriptures were all true . The improvement made of these stories questioned by us , is , This is a Teacher , thus he has been Taught , and thus he Teaches others . And it is no wonder , that they who are thus Taught , to believe no outward Christ now in being , should use him with the utmost contempt , and his Worshippers with the greatest severity , as being the grossest sort of Idolaters to worship a dead God , p. 2. Note , 1. We question the Truth of the particular stories , and deny that the Quakers have , or own any such Preachers , as are justly chargeable with such contempt of the Man Christ without us , or denyal of his Resurrection or general Judgment . 2. We neither own nor know , any such Doctrin among us , as to deny any outward Christ , or Christ without us now in Being , or to use him with contempt . These we look on as gross Lyes , which seem somewhat generally to affect us as a People , i. e. the Quakers , their Faith in an inward Christ , viz. their Light within , being thereupon reflected on , as in opposition to the Man Christ without ; when he can neither demonstrate nor disprove their Light , nor their Faith therein . 4. That they ( i.e. the Quakers ) reckon their own Blood to be the Blood of Christ , and to be that Blood , which cleanseth from Sin , p. 3. Which is a gross Falshood . 5. Their ( i.e. the Quakers ) frequent Idolatries to G. F. giving him the Titles and Attributes of God , falling prostrate before him , and adoring him with these Appellations , Thou art the Son of the everlasting God , the King of Israel , all Nations shall worship thee , &c. p 3. We question these stories , we denying all Idolatry , and all such Attributes and Adoration to any Mortal . 6. That the Quakers had vilely cast away the great Fundamentals of the Christian Religion , p. 5. 7. The Quakers fasly charged with rage against G. K. p. 5. Which are both vile Lyes . 8. That they are forced at last to a feigned complyance with the Doctrin that he Teaches , i.e. by the Truths which he contends for prevailing against them . Which is falsly stated against us , the Truth 's prevalency upon us , has not been by his contradiction , neither can we own all for Truth which he contends for . His great instability , and late contradictions to his former and latter Testimonies , both in behalf of the People called Quakers and their Principles are very Notorious to every rational person , that reads the Collections thereof , in Tho. Ellwood's , John Pennington's ( and others ) Answers and Replies to him . 9. A Blasphemous bantring Paper , ( he tells of i.e. G. F. 's ) turning the Christ to the Light within , which will bring you off all the Worlds teachers and ways , &c. but shews not wherein the Blasphemy is . And we know no such Phrase as turning the Christ to the Light within , but that Christ is the Light of the World , &c. 10. If he ( i.e. W. Rogers ) had said Christ was no more than another Man , he had come off and been excused by the whole fraternity and reverenced , as well as Sol. Eccles. p. 8. [ What a Lying imagination and gross piece of Forgery is this ! ] They ( i.e. Quakers ) refrained not to Print and Publish every day , most virulent Invectives against other Protestants , and dispers'd them by order of the yearly Meeting , p. 9. These are notorious Lyes . 12. That the Quakers are not concerned at the intollerable and blasphemous contempt of the holy Bible , ( which he charged a prophane Papist A. S. withal , as calling that Book , their unjust , corrupt and perverse Bible ) which was grosly Blasphemous indeed , but then unjustly to hang this upon the Quakers . He says J. Cole declares , That they are not at all concerned . He insults , This is a strange story and incredible , That ever Jos. Cole insulted in any such Blasphemous contempt of the Protestant Bible , as to our being not at all concerned , so we are not in any such contempt , no , farr be it from us . Josiah Cole is so far from joyining with the said A. S. that he Writes in Testimony against him , by way of Answer to his Pamphlet , as finding him therein smiting at the People called Quakers , and endeavouring to render them odious , by affirming , That they are led by a deluding Spirit , &c. So that Josiah Cole had no reason to joyn with him , or take his part against any sincere Protestants , Whore unvail'd , p. 57. Our Accuser proceeds farther upon the said story , which he would turn upon the Quakers , viz. 13. p. 9 , 10. Now why should these Men be reputed Protestants , they count themselves none of us , who are not concerned on our part , no , not against the Church of Rome ; but draw their Arms against us , who joyn with them , not only against our Ministers , but our Bibles . [ Here are Lyes , and gross Calumnies accumulated against us ] Why should these be reputed as Christians ? Can they be Christians who Blaspheme the Bible ? Answer No , but these are horrid and gross slanders against the Quakers , who have approved themselves both better Protestants and Christians than their Persecutors , and such a Persecuting , Sculking Adversary as this our Accuser , who seems strenuously to seek our ruin , by endeavouring to murther our Christian and Civil Reputations ; but to us it is no more than the hissing of The Snake in the Grass , or like one that whispers out of the ground . And his next Charge is also grosly false , as 't is intended against us , viz. 14. Surely their Light within is Darkness , who joyn with the most ignorant and bigotted of the Romish Emissaries against our Bible , p. 10. Quere , When , or where , do the Quakers so joyn with those Emissaries ? I take this to be a most gross and foul piece of Forgery and Calumny . 15. Our Accuser gives high , and superlative commendations of John Pennyman , as an ancient , worthy and most sincere honest Gentleman , who ( he says ) had been inveigl'd with their false shew and pretences to Piety , remained zealous in their Communion , and suffered with them , till he discovered the grossest Immoralities among them , lying , cheating and foul uncleanness , which having complained of , and otherwise represented to their superiours , tho' the fact could not be denyed , yet they would not censure any that continued in their Vnity , for which reason , he ( after long strugling with them , to amend their scandalous vices ) at last left them , p. 10. As his Character of the said J. P. in the superlative degree , appears a piece of flattery , insincere and unmerited , his scandalous stories on his behalf , and reason of his leaving us , appear neither true nor impartial : I never heard of any undeniable proof of the matter of fact from J. P. and I am sorry , that in his old Age , he should give such occasion to such malicious , persecuting Adversaries as this , to reproach us , in this manner , as if we did indulge and hold unity with such Persons guilty of the grossest Immoralities , lying , cheating and foul uncleanness . Will J. Pennyman adventure to stand by these stories and aggravations against us ? I question it : And he knows better the reason of his leaving us , than the account before , and what offence he took at our Friends Paper , that was published to clear us from the great Offence and Reproach he gave by his notorious unwarrantable attempt at the Exchange , and how he was committed thereupon , I am not willing now to repeat it upon him . I would not have him think that I am in any Revenge or Rage against him ( as we are unjustly charged ) neither would I have him dye in enmity or uncharitableness against us . And suppose he has espied out any particular miscarriages , that 's no just cause of his leaving our Communion , much less of turning open Enemy against us : Or if such miscarriages have not been judicially proved before those called our Superiors , their not Censuring the parties accused to Excommunication , for want of such proof , was no just cause of his leaving our Communion , or turning Adversary to defame us . 16. That we recommend the most virulent of Rome's invectives against the Protestants and their Bible too , p. 10. Is a gross Falshood ; we know no such Recommendation . 17. How tame is the Church of England that suffers Fox 's Journal to be newly Printed and presented to the Vniversity of Oxford , and many other of the Quaker Prophets to be printed , &c. p. 11. Which unjustly implies some great Crime and Iniquity in the said Journal , and a great offence to this Persecutor , that we are not held under severe Restraint and Persecution , that he and such persecuting Incendiaries may have liberty without controul to Asperse and Misrepresent us , and we none to defend our Innocency , which is high Injustice . 18. That the Quaker Prophets cast the utmost contempt upon the Person of Jesus our God , p. 11. Which is a most odious Calumny . 19. That by the Register of their Sufferings ( i.e. Quakers ) they hope to make their Sufferings for the Truth ( as they call it ) to exceed all the Ten Persecutions ; and to be more undeserv'd than the Sufferings of Christ himself , or of the Apostles , p. 11. These are gross and notorious false Suggestions , we have no such hopes . He cites E. B. unfairly and partially in this Point , and yet the Comparison about the Sufferings of the People of God in this Age , as greater or more unjust than in the Days of Christ , or the Apostles , or since , is a mistake , we shall not stand by the Comparison ; whether 't was so first verbally stated by E. B. himself , or by some mistake since , I shall not undertake to determin , unless I see his original Copy . However we are clear'd from either magnifying our Sufferings above Christ's or his Apostle's , &c. For we do prefer Christ's Sufferings before all other Mens , and that he was wholly Innocent , and unduly and unjustly Prosecuted and put to Death by wicked Hands , who were justly charged with Murther therein . This Point is farther cleared on our parts , in The Quakers Vindication against F. Bugg's Calumnies , p. 2. Col. 1. One Sheet . But I think this Author of The Snake in the Grass has more justified the Act of Christ's Persecutors and Murtherers ( and consequently undervalued his Innocency in his Sufferings ) than ever the Quakers did , where he reflects upon G. Whitehead's Argument , That Killing of Christ outwardly being the Act of wicked Men , could be no meritorious Act , Satan Disr . Glean . p. 5. This he retorts as my Argument , but does not answer or refute it , and I am of the same mind still , that the Merit , and what was Meritorious was in Christ's Obedience and Humility in his suffering to Death ; and not in the Act of wicked Men in Killing and Murthering him , Acts 7. 52 & Acts 2. 23. And if this Adversary be of the contrary opinion let him speak out and plainly tell us , if he believes that the Act of wicked Men in Murthering the Just one , was a meritorious Act. 20. Many of them ( i.e. Quakers ) suffer'd ( not so much as they deserved ) for open and notorious Blasphemy , p. 12. Which is a gross Calumny and Scandal , undeserv●dly cast upon them , and is a plain indication of this Accuser's great malice , cruelty and persecuteing Spirit . 21. That the hardship of Imprisonments ( which many of the poorer sort of them ( i.e. Quakers ) did suffer ; was the greatest of their Sufferings , p. 13. Which is a great Falshood . Imprisonment was not the greatest of their Sufferings , or of their Hardships . But the strait and close confinements duress and hardships which many suffered in noisom Goals , whereby many lost their Lives , and many their Healths impaired , besides spoil of Goods ruining Families , and divers banished out of their native Countries into foreign Islands and parts beyond Seas , as also cruel Whippings , Beatings , Stonings and other Barbarities which many have suffered from Persecutors , pretending for the Church ; these hardships were more than mere Imprisonments : To the shame of this Persecutor and the rest of his cruel Fraternity be it Spoken . His contemning and undervaluing our Sufferings will not extenuate their Cruelty and Persecution . 22. That Isaac Pennington in his considerations concerning Israel , p. 3. gives that ( i.e. the Light within ) the preference to the dispensation of M●ses or of Christ , p. 14. Which is false in the last ; for Christ and his Light within are not divided , nor is his Light preferred to him , nor do we prefer any other Light than that of Christ to Moses's or any other dispensation or Ministry . 23. That our Friends leave out whole Baskets full of hideous Blasphemies and Treasons , i.e. out of the reprinted Works of their Prophets ( p. 14. ) Which is a most hideous and sordid Callumny . 24. That Edw. Burrough in his Epistle prefixed to G. F 's Great Myst. ( p. 7. ) extends this ( i.e. Infallible discerning Spirit ) to all and every of the Quakers ; To us ( says he ) every one of us in particular . And this Light gav● us to discern between Truth and Error , between every false and right way , and it perfectly discovered to us the true state of all things , p. 20. Upon perusal of the place quoted in the said Epistle , I do not find that E. B. extends the gift of discerning , to all and every of the Quakers , nor the discovery of the true state of all things ; herein are his words and intention perverted , tho' he confesses that every one has a true Light given by Christ , but not that every one has attained to the same gift of discerning of Spirits and States , Observe , 1. E. B. personates the converted and faithful among the Quakers , who walk in the Light which gives to discern between Truth and Error , the Right and the Wrong way ; for whatsoever things are reproved are made manifest by the Light. 2dly , The perfect discovery of the true state of all Things , He does in the place quoted , restrict to the discovery of the Fall and restoration of Man , and to what 's needful for Man to know ( i.e. in respect to Salvation . ) Epis. to Gr. Myst. ( p. 7 , 8. ) We are not to suppose that By discovery of the true state of all things , he intended to ascribe Omnisciency to us Creatures , no more than the Holy Apostle John did in the like Expressions . 1 John 2. 20. But ye have an Vnction from the Holy One , and ye know all Things . And verse 27. But as the same Anointing teacheth you of all Things , and is Truth and is no Lye. These were all things needful for their Salvation and preservation in Christ Jesus . And herein in this divine Unction , and the teachings thereof stands the Infallibility , Certainty or assurance we plead for , and not in Man's Will , Wisdom , Parts , or Acquirements . And as we keep in this Anointing received from the Holy One , we receive its Teachings which are true and certain , and so fa● partake of Certainty or Infallibility in what it Teacheth , being Truth and no Lye. But if any go from this Anointing into the Will or Wisdom of Man or carnal Reasonings , they go into uncertainty and so become fallible and subject to fall into Error ; erring from this certain Principle produceth Error both in Judgment and many times in Practice . For 't is He that abideth in Christ that sinneth not , 1 Joh. 3. 6. And those in whom this divine A●ointing did abide who were taught by it , As it taught them they did abide in him , i.e. in the Son of God , ch . 2. 27. Who saith , abide in me and I in you , John 15. 4. I find this Author to the Snake in the Grass , is very apt frequently to misrepresent our Friends Words , which I cannot impute so much to his Ignorance , as Envious design to make us as Infamous and Odious as he can . As he had dealt by E. B. in the passage before , he has in like manner serv'd Francis Howgil in his Preface to the Snake in the Grass , ( p. 244. ) Which I did not so much search or remark in the foregoing Answer , as since . He charges F. H. with Blasphemy , quoting , p. 232. of his Works , intitled , The Dawning of the Gospel-day , where he saith , He that hath the Spirit of God , is in THAT which is Equal ( i.e. as follows ) he that is join'd to the Lord , is one Spirit , there is Unity , and the Unity stands in Equality it self . Hence ( and on some other words curtaliz'd and mangl'd ) the said Author infers , viz. 25. Having thus made themselves Equal to God in very Nature , it is not strange to see them denying any other God or Christ but themselves ; they pull God out of Heaven , &c. Snake , p. 245. These Blasphemous and general Inferences against the Quakers , as they are utterly denyed by us , I find no just occasion for them , from F. H' s Words , if truly cited and considered , where he places the Equality between the Father , Son and Holy Spirit : That which is Equal , he plainly speaks of the Spirit of God in the place quoted , and by the Unity [ stands in Equality it self ] he means no other , than that the Saints Vnity stands in Christ , who is Equal with the Father , according to Christ's own Prayer , John 17. 21. That they all may be one , as thou Father art in me , and I in thee , that they also may be one in us . And verse 22. And the Glory which thou gavest me , I have given them , that they may be One , as we are One. And verse 23. I in them , and thou in me , that they may be made perfect in one . That F. H. places the Equality in the Son of God , and on his part , is evident by his following Words , ( left out by the said Author ) viz. He that is born from above , is the Son of God , and he said , I and my Father are one ; and when the Son is reveal'd and speaks , the Father speaks in him , and dwells in him , and he in the Father . Now , though the Saints cannot claim to themselves that Equality the Son of God ( who is their Head ) hath ; yet who can in Truth deny their being made Partakers of the Divine Nature and Union in Christ Jesus , and holy Spirit with the Father ? The account which this Author of the Snake hath given against Tho. Curtis , p. 20 , 21 , 22. which he saith , he has seen under the hand of W. Clark , I do somewhat Question the Truth of divers Passages in it , as whether T. C. is not therein mis-represented ; though I cannot from my own knowledge refute them , yet 't is very strange that T. C. should be represented so very grosly Ignorant , as in that said Account , ( but I am sure 't is a gross Lye , that the Quakers do hold , or have always held these Heresies charged on him ) or that G. Keith should suffer him to be so foully expos'd in print ; if he was privy thereto , I am apt to think 't was a piece of great Incivility , as well as Ingratitude and Treachery against T. C. to serve him such an ill turn . 26. That he would not lessen the Sufferings of the Quakers , ( p. 13. ) is a notorious Falshood , as his scoffing at , and vilifying them , and rendring many of them to have suffer'd for open and notorious Blasphemy ( p. 12. ) doth evince . 27. That Mary Fell , after she was Married to G. F. became the Mother of the Quakers Church , ( p. 17. ) is a scornful Falshood , we have not given her , or any other Woman that Title ; though she and many more faithful Women have been own'd as Mothers in Israel ; but Jerusalem , that is above , the Mother of us all . 28. That many of the generality of the Quakers do stick in the very bottom of that sink of Heresies , which they have been taught ; and that their Leaders go about to justify , excuse and pallitate them , ( p. 18 ) These proceed from the Sink of his gross Calumnies and Malice . 29. That the Quakers yearly Epistle , directed to all Quakers throughout the World , is their supream Law , ( p. 18. ) is false again , we know no such Epistle , that is so esteem'd our supream Law ; but rather Epistles proceeding from our supream Law of Love. 30. That 't is only for placing their Faith in the outward Jesus , that the Quakers have so condemned them , ( i.e. the Priests ) ( p. 19. ) This is not true again , 't is not for placing their Faith ( if it were really so ) in an outward Jesus , or rather Jesus without them ; but for their dead Faith without Christ , and without Works and Fruit ; and their many Corruptions , as Pride , Covetousness , Persecution , &c. as justly Chargeable on many of them . His story about one Archer in Wilts , questioning , whether he was not among the Quaker-Bishops , who compos'd this last general Council ? ( p. 19. ) is very scurrilous and false , as it is turned to affect the Quakers . We don't understand he was here at London , the last Yearly Meeting . The other story thereupon concerning the said Archer , That the Knaves of that Country [ after his Wickedness ] forced him to shift his Quarters , and that then he came up to London , to which the other Quakers gave the right hand of Fellowship ; and that there he Preach'd and exercised his Talent with great Approbation , p. 19 , 20. Though we have heard of such an one's miscarriage , yet I have enquir'd , and am perswaded , the latter part of the story is a great Forgery , to scandalize the Quakers , that either they gave him the right hand of Fellowship , or that he preached at London with great Approbation , after he fled upon discovery ; this is a very unlikely story , basely designed to cast Dirt upon us ; for the World well knows our Christian care to expunge such from our Society , upon the knowledge of their Enormities ; but whether there be the like care and practice in this Authors Church , he may consider if he will. Reader , I Have in this precedent Examination , passed by a great many more false Aspersions , Calumnies and Perversions cast upon my self and divers others in the said Book , Satan Disrob'd ; being not willing to undertake a full Answer to it , nor to spend more time in raking in such dirty Kennels of Lyes and Abuses , as the Books of the said Author are stuff'd withal against us , &c. There are also many Falshoods , foul Perversions , Charges and Reflections , in The Snake in the Grass , not particularly Remarked in the foregoing Antidote , and in particular divers Passages , relating to the Revolution of Governments in the Nation ; the substance whereof , I long since fully Answer'd to John Pennyman's Invectives . My Answer is Intitul'd , Christ's Lambs defended from Satan's Rage , Printed for Tho. Northcott in George-Yard , in Lumbard-street , London . 'T is observable , that the said Author of The Snake in the Grass , values himself much upon that Title to several of his Books against us ; but upon the Readers perusal of these already Answered , it will appear , that Title will be his great Disgrace and Infamy ; seeing that he has merited the Character of a Hatcher of Cockatrice Eggs , as well as the Author of The Snake in the Grass : Which Title , he may be as horribly asham'd of , as afraid to expose his real name and place . Some notice taken of the said Author's Discourse for Water Baptism . HAving lately seen and received a Book stiled , A Discourse proving the divine Institution of Water-Baptism , &c. By the Author of The Snake in the Grass , and finding these Passages after the Contents , viz. That there will be published a Discourse by the same Author , shewing , whom Christ hath ordain'd to Administer the Sacraments in his Church And another , . wherein is proved , that the chief of the Quakers Heresies , were broached and condemn'd in the days of the Apostles , and in the first 150 Years after Christ. To the latter part whereof , I must tell him , and Advertise the Reader , that this officious Author should have spared his other Discourse , thus Charging the Quakers with Heresies , so long since broached and condemned , until he had seen an Answer to his Snake in the Grass , wherein he hath most unjustly and falsly Charged the Quakers with numerous Heresies and Errors ( as also he hath in divers things very falsly aspers'd them in this Discourse . ) And if he repeat the same again upon us , ( as it may be suspected ) to prove them so long since broached and condemned ; this will add nothing of proof , that we the People called Quakers are guilty thereof , but only serve to shew his own Malice and Impertinency and gross Calumnies already confuted ▪ Upon the viewing his said Discourse for Water-Baptism , I find nothing material , but what is mostly answer'd in the foregoing Antidote , and Book therein referred unto in page 126. Besides , I find him very much imposing and begging the Question in his said Discourse , 1st . Pleading for Infant Baptism in his Preface , as being the outward Seal of Christ's Covenant , ( but without Scripture proof ) and then flees to the Baptists Arguments , for Baptizing Believers or People Docible , from Mat. 28. and other Scriptures , which they use to urge in opposition to sprinkling Infants . He miserably imposes in placing upon outward Baptism , all these Priviledges , viz. Regeneration , or being Born into the Church , Baptizing into the Christian Faith , ( p. 9 , 10. ) The Promise of the Inward Baptism of the Holy Ghost , ( p. 12. ) Calling the outward , The means whereby we are made partakers of the inward , and whereby the inward Baptizm of the Holy Ghost is given , p. 34 , 60. All this he places upon outward Baptism with Water : But then it must be upon the duly receiving thereof , ( p. 12. ) wherein he hath before included Infants as well as others , but all this without Scripture Proof . Now if all those Infants that are Sprinkled or Baptized be Regenerated and Born again and Baptized into the Faith , and partakers of the Holy Ghost and the Baptism thereof ; How will this agree or consist with their Preaching the necessity of Regeneration , and the new Birth to such when docible , seeing he saith , a Man can be but once Regenerated , ( p. 9. ) I find that when he pleads for Baptizing Believers , ( p. 23. ) he cannot escape the Baptist's Arguments , altho' he hath reviled them as badly in a manner as he hath done us , as is before shewed . I find that Text , 1 Cor. 1. 17. doth Puzzle him , esteeming it an obscure Text , p. 22. Which is , Christ sent me not to Baptize , &c. and he is very impertinent , and begging the Question in his Answer to it . But while he Argues with the Baptists Arguments for Believers Baptizm , I take it for granted , that he Argues for that , which he and his Brethren the Clergy are out of the practice of , and therefore insincere , and consequently his Works deserves to be rejected whilst Infants are the Subjects chiefly intended . He bitterly exclaims against both Presbyterians , Independents , Anabaptists , Quakers , Socinians , Vnitarians , Latitudinarians and Deists , &c. in his Preface , as being the Spawn of Rebellion and multifarious Schism , ( and especially against the Presbytery in Scotland ) either for their Indifferency or disuse of Water Baptizm , &c. See what a busy Agent this is , as if he would have his Hand against every Man : But I must leave him for others concerned to deal with him , if they see it worth their Time and Labour : I having bestowed more for the Truth sake ( and for the sake of many more sincere than himself ) than he or his Works deserve . G. W. The Contents of the foregoing Treatise . WHat Characters are given against the People called Quakers , by The Snake in the Grass , examined . Page . 1 to 12. A Catalogue of some abuses against the said People . 13 to 49. Concerning Tithes , and a Popish Plea for the same , confuted by Martyrs and primitive Protestants . 17 to 23. A false Charge against G. Fox , &c. Examin'd and Answer'd . 25 , 26. Of the Man Christ , his Body and Blood. 29 to 35. Of the holy Scriptures , how own'd by the People called Quakers , and they cleared from Calumnies in that point . 35 , 36. 40 , 41. Our Accusers Hiporitical Prayer . ● 37. Of Christs ' Body , Flesh ( the Vail ) and Blood. 38 , 39. For the divine authority of the H. Scriptures . 42 , 43. Our Adversarys false pretence of kindness . 44 , 45. Christ's existence or being , and how he is in us . 45 , 46. Of the Quakers general Answer to the seven Queries , and of G. Keith's abuse thereupon . 46 to 49. The second part begins , with Reflection upon the Presbyterians , Independents and the Quakers , rendering them all obnoxious , &c. 50 51. The Quakers clear'd from the Arians Heresie . 52 53. An unjust comparison and railery against the Quakers 54 , 55. Both Presbyter , Anabaptist , Independent and Quakers , scandalized , and their liberty envied , by the Author of The Snake in the Grass . 56 , 57. Popish Emissaries no promoters of Quakerism , 57 , 58. Of the more peculiar Titles of Christ not given to us . 59 , 60. Of the Soul of Man being created , and the divine breath or Spirit of Life , which God breathed into Man. 61 , 62. Of Infallibily and Omnisciency 62 63. Of the Light given of God to our Souls . 63 to 66. Of discerning of Spirits , how a gift . 67 to 72. Occasion given us to reflect on the incontinency of Priests . 73 , 74. The said Authors general and false Charge about one false Prophet , and Story of a Glover in Cheapside , &c. 75 to 78. His Reflection upon all dissenting Protestants , and pleading for Bishops , wicked Priests and persecuting Kings . 78 to 80. Our Friends misrepresented about G. K. and of the Text , 1 Jo. 1. 7. 81 , 82. Of our preferring the Spirit to the Letter , no contempt of Holy Scripture . 82 to 86. Of Enthusiasm as charg'd against the Quakers . 86 to 89. Of Womens Preaching , and Womens Meetings . 89 , 90. Our Doctrin concerning the Light within , vindicated and opened . 90 to 99. The Quakers vindicated from several Blasphemous Charges , as assuming divine Attributes , divine Worship , divine Honour . 99 to 101. Of the Resurrection , Heaven and Glory , how Scripturally confessed and believed by us . 102 to 111. Of the Sacraments so called , first of the Supper , second of Baptism . 111 to 126. Concerning the satisfaction of Christ. 127 to 135. Concerning the holy Trinity . 135 to 140. For the Divinity and Incarnation of Christ also . 140 to 155. Some Remarks by the Author of the Snake against G. Whitehead , examined , as about Christ , the holy Scriptures , the Word , the Light , &c. 155 to 178. The words , Type , Figure , Shape , Example , Vail , most holy places , both in the old and new Covenant opened . 174 to 182. A brief Examination of some passages in the second Book , still'd , Satan Disrob'd . 185. Some reasons for excepting against the Term Co-creator . 188 to 191. Of the Soul and Incarnation of Christ. 191 to 193. A question about the manner of some Men's carnally looking for Christ to Salvation , who neglect his inward appearance ; and for what end his spiritual Appearance is truly expected . 193 to 197. Of Christ as at God's right hand , and in his People . 197 to 199. Of Christ's Appearance at the great day in his glorious spiritual Body , and of the Resurrection Bodies . 199 to 207. Of Christ's existence in Heaven , as at the right hand of God , and of God's Omni-presence , and indweling in his People . 207 to 209. Of the pure Nature of Christ , and of some sin-pleasing notions repugnant thereto , and to his inward Appearance and Operations of his Spirit . 209 to 212. Of the Historical Faith of Christ's death for Sinners , and the saving Faith in his Light. 212 to 217. Christ's obedience unto death for us Meritorious , but not the Act of wicked hands , either in murthering him , or sheding his blood by the Spear upon the Cross. 217 to 220. The price and work of our Redemption by Jesus Christ. 220 to 221. Of the Object and Foundation of true Faith in Christ , and of his blood that was shed ; an unwarrantable comparison disown'd concerning the same . 221 to 225. Of the material , and mystical blood of Christ , and the Type thereof , and shadow of Heavenly things which the Law had . 227 to 231. Of God's own blood , Acts 20. 28. And Redemption explained with respect both to the Sacrifice and Work of Christ. 232 to 237. Of the words Personality , Personal , Existence and Humane , as ascribed to Christ , &c. why question'd , Christ's coming to Judgment , the Resurrection , &c. how own'd . 237 to 240. Some notorious Lyes and Perversions , gleaned out of the said Book , Satan Disrobed . 241 to 245. Some gleanings of Lyes , Slanders and Perversions , out of the some gleanings of the Author to The Snake in the Grass , recharged on him . 246 to 263. Some notice taken of the said Author's Discourse for Water-Baptisn . 266. &c. FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A65834-e2080 Snake , p. 93 , 94. Notes for div A65834-e6680 Sn. p. 1. In his Sect. 1. * The Act of shedding that outward Blood was by the Spear which the Soldier thrust into his Side : How proves he that Act cleanseth from Sin ? * See T. Godwyn's Moses and Aaron , treating of the Passover , &c. and Christ's answering the same in his Supper , Exod. 12. Mat. 26. 18 , 19. Luke 22. 8. to ver . 15. Notes for div A65834-e29120 1. p. 20.