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             The Protestant's answer to The Catholick letter to the seeker, or, A vindication of the Protestant's answer, to the seeker's request
             Williams, John, 1636?-1709.
          
           [4], 36 p.
           
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             The "Protestant's answer" is Robert Nelson's Transubstantiation contrary to Scripture.
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           THE
           Protestant's
           Answer
           TO
           THE
           
             Catholick
             Letter
          
           TO
           THE
           SEEKER
           :
           OR
           ,
           A
           VINDICATION
           OF
           THE
           PROTESTANT's
           ANSWER
           ,
           To
           the
           
           SEEKER's
           Request
           .
        
         
           
             IMPRIMATUR
             ,
             Liber
             cui
             Titulus
          
           ,
           [
           The
           Protestant's
           Answer
           to
           the
           Catholick
           Letter
           to
           the
           Seeker
           ,
           &c.
           ]
        
         
           
             H.
             Maurice
          
           RR.
           in
           Christo
           P.
           D.
           Wilhelmo
           Archiep.
           Cant.
           à
           Sacris
           .
           
             Maii
             22.
             1688.
             
          
        
         
           LONDON
           ,
           Printed
           and
           are
           to
           be
           Sold
           by
           
             Randal
             Taylor
          
           ,
           near
           Stationers-Hall
           ,
           M.DCLXXXVIII
           .
        
      
       
         
         
         
           THE
           CONTENTS
           .
        
         
           
             THE
             matter
             in
             debate
             stated
             p.
             2.
             
          
           
             The
             Sum
             of
             the
             Protestant
             Answer
             p.
             4.
             
          
           
             Transubstantiation
             confest
             by
             many
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             Rome
             not
             to
             be
             proved
             by
             Scripture
             ,
             pag.
             5.
             
          
           
             Joh.
             6.
             48.
             consider'd
             ,
             p.
             6.
             
          
           
             Not
             for
             Transubstantiation
             ,
             by
             the
             confession
             of
             several
             in
             the
             Church
             of
             
               Rome
               ,
               Ibid.
            
             
          
           
             It
             's
             also
             proved
             by
             several
             Arguments
             .
          
           
             As
             that
             place
             had
             no
             special
             reference
             to
             the
             Sacrament
             ,
             p.
             7.
             
          
           
             Eating
             the
             Flesh
             then
             spoken
             of
             ,
             may
             be
             out
             of
             the
             Sacrament
             as
             well
             as
             in
             it
             ,
             Ibid.
             
          
           
             Proved
             to
             concern
             those
             present
             as
             well
             as
             others
             .
             p.
             8.
             
          
           
             The
             sense
             of
             eating
             the
             Flesh
             of
             Christ
             proved
             to
             be
             Figurative
             ,
             p.
             10.
             
          
           
             Of
             Figurative
             Speeches
             ,
             p.
             12.
             
          
           
             Particularly
             here
             ,
             p.
             13
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           
             Of
             Christ's
             being
             a
             Vine
             ,
             
               &c.
               p.
            
             17.
             
          
           
             
               The
               words
            
             ,
             This
             is
             my
             Body
             ,
             considered
             ,
             p.
             18.
             
          
           
             Of
             the
             word
             
               This
               ,
               p.
            
             22.
             
          
           
             Of
             Christ's
             being
             in
             the
             Sacrament
             after
             a
             Spiritual
             manner
             ,
             Ibid.
             
          
           
             The
             Texts
             produced
             by
             Protestants
             for
             it
             ,
             p.
             24.
             
          
           
             1.
             
             The
             Letter
             of
             Scripture
             for
             the
             Protestant
             Doctrine
             ,
             p.
             26.
             
          
           
             (
             1.
             )
             Where
             it
             's
             call'd
             Bread
             ,
             and
             the
             Fruit
             of
             the
             Vine
             .
          
           
           
             (
             2.
             )
             The
             Body
             of
             Christ
             had
             the
             Natural
             properties
             of
             a
             Body
             ,
             p.
             29.
             
          
           
             (
             3.
             )
             The
             Body
             of
             Christ
             is
             in
             Heaven
             ,
             and
             circumscribed
             ,
             p.
             32.
             
          
           
             (
             4.
             )
             That
             Christ's
             Body
             is
             Glorified
             ,
             and
             so
             not
             a
             Sacrifice
             ,
             p.
             33.
             
          
           
             2.
             
             The
             words
             which
             are
             Figurative
             ,
             are
             for
             us
             ,
             such
             are
             these
             ,
             
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               ,
               Ibid.
               
            
          
        
      
    
     
       
         
         
           THE
           PROTESTANT's
           ANSWER
           TO
           THE
           CATHOLICK
           LETTER
           TO
           THE
           SEEKER
           ,
           &c.
           
        
         
           HEre
           's
           a
           
             Catholick
             Letter
             to
             the
             Seeker
             ,
             or
             a
             Reply
             to
             the
             Protestant
             Answer
             to
             the
             Seeker
             .
          
           But
           what
           's
           become
           of
           the
           Seeker
           himself
           ,
           for
           this
           four
           Months
           past
           ?
           What
           of
           the
           Declaration
           he
           was
           in
           the
           Conclusion
           to
           make
           for
           the
           
             Catholick
             Faith
          
           of
           Rome
           ,
           
           which
           we
           are
           now
           told
           of
           ?
           That
           according
           to
           the
           method
           ,
           it
           seems
           agreed
           on
           ,
           he
           may
           ,
           after
           
             Sentence
             pass'd
          
           in
           this
           case
           ,
           
             proceed
             to
             the
             Infallibility
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             or
             other
             Points
             of
             Faith
             in
             difference
             betwixt
             them
             and
             the
             Church
             of
          
           England
           ;
           as
           our
           Author
           intimates
           there
           a
           little
           too
           early
           .
           The
           Seeker
           had
           indeed
           given
           reason
           enough
           to
           judg
           on
           which
           side
           he
           was
           to
           be
           satisfied
           :
           That
           tho
           seemingly
           he
           was
           sent
           out
           like
           the
           Dove
           ,
           to
           try
           where
           he
           might
           find
           rest
           for
           the
           Sole
           of
           his
           Foot
           ,
           yet
           we
           may
           see
           beforehand
           ,
           what
           was
           the
           Ark
           he
           was
           to
           return
           to
           ;
           and
           that
           they
           were
           as
           sure
           of
           him
           ,
           as
           they
           are
           of
           a
           Convert
           before
           they
           offer
           a
           Conference
           .
           Where
           's
           now
           the
           Resolution
           he
           was
           to
           come
           to
           ?
           Has
           the
           
             Protestant
             Answer
             to
             the
             Seekers
             Request
             ,
          
           broke
           these
           Measures
           ,
           and
           forced
           them
           to
           think
           of
           another
           Expedient
           ?
           Our
           Author
           cannot
           altogether
           dissemble
           it
           .
           It
           seems
           the
           Seeker
           was
           to
           put
           certain
           Ties
           upon
           his
           Answerers
           ,
           to
           which
           his
           Friend
           on
           the
           side
           of
           the
           Church
           of
           
             Rome
             
             submitted
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             humbly
             conceived
             the
             Protestant
             Answerer
             would
             have
             done
             so
             too
             ,
          
           as
           our
           Author
           signifies
           ,
           p.
           1.
           
           But
           he
           being
           a
           lover
           of
           Liberty
           more
           than
           Courtship
           ;
           and
           of
           Truth
           ,
           and
           Reason
           more
           than
           both
           ,
           took
           upon
           himself
           ,
           as
           its
           thought
           ,
           too
           much
           Authority
           ,
           when
           together
           with
           his
           Answer
           to
           the
           
             Seekers
             Request
          
           ,
           he
           wrote
           a
           Reply
           to
           the
           
             Catholick
             Answer
             to
             the
             Seekers
             Request
             .
          
           This
           is
           a
           course
           our
           Author
           complains
           of
           ,
           and
           perhaps
           he
           has
           some
           reason
           for
           it
           .
           But
           what
           has
           he
           to
           accuse
           the
           
             Protestant
             Answerer
          
           of
           ?
           That
           
             he
             has
             evaded
             the
             Question
          
           .
           As
           how
           ?
           Of
           this
           he
           gives
           a
           threefold
           Instance
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           That
           he
           has
           used
           the
           Word
           Transubstantiation
           .
           Of
           this
           our
           Author
           thus
           complains
           ,
           p.
           2.
           and
           5.
           
           
             I
             do
             not
             find
             the
             word
          
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           
             so
             much
             as
             mentioned
             in
             either
             your
             Request
             ,
             or
             my
             Answer
             .
             Wherefore
             ,
             how
             sincere
             the
             Gentleman
             has
             been
             in
             this
             particular
             ,
             let
             the
             World
             judg
             .
          
           A
           material
           Point
           !
           who
           would
           not
           think
           now
           ,
           that
           the
           word
           Transubstantiation
           was
           abominated
           by
           him
           ,
           and
           as
           little
           used
           in
           their
           Church
           ,
           as
           it
           is
           in
           ours
           ?
           It
           's
           fit
           therefore
           to
           know
           our
           Authors
           mind
           in
           it
           .
           Of
           this
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             It
             's
             a
             word
             devised
             by
             the
             Church
             to
             express
             the
             Conversion
             that
             's
             made
             in
             the
             Sacrauent
             ,
             —
             and
             which
             mysterious
             change
             the
             Holy
             Catholick
          
           [
           the
           Roman
           ]
           
             Church
             doth
             properly
             call
          
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           p.
           2
           ,
           and
           5.
           
           Now
           ,
           where
           is
           the
           fault
           ?
           Where
           the
           insincerity
           ?
           The
           insincerity
           they
           may
           take
           to
           themselves
           ;
           but
           the
           fault
           is
           ,
           that
           when
           they
           thought
           by
           the
           use
           of
           the
           Phrase
           ,
           
             Real
             Presence
          
           ,
           common
           to
           both
           them
           and
           us
           ,
           and
           by
           the
           forbearance
           of
           the
           word
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           which
           is
           peculiar
           to
           themselves
           ,
           that
           they
           might
           have
           imposed
           upon
           the
           unwary
           Reader
           ,
           the
           
             Protestant
             Answerer
             used
             the
             word
          
           Transubstantiation
           for
           their
           Real
           Presence
           ,
           and
           so
           their
           design
           is
           discover'd
           ,
           and
           in
           part
           defeated
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           
             He
             saith
             ,
             The
          
           Protestant
           Answerer
           
             evaded
             the
             Question
             ,
             when
          
           instead
           of
           speaking
           to
           the
           
             Real
             Presence
          
           ,
           he
           betook
           himself
           to
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           p.
           2.
           
           
             Now
             ,
             who
             would
             not
             think
             upon
             this
             charge
             ,
             that
             his
          
           Real
           Presence
           and
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           
             are
             as
             inconsistent
             as
             Truth
             and
             Falshood
             ?
             Here
             indeed
             he
             has
             put
             a
             Question
             ,
             which
             I
             confess
             I
             should
             have
             been
             ready
             to
             ask
          
           ;
           What
           's
           this
           to
           the
           purpose
           ?
           Is
           not
           the
           
             Real
             Presence
          
           and
           Transubstantiation
           all
           as
           one
           ?
           p.
           5.
           
           
             And
             I
             should
             be
             as
             ready
             to
             ask
             again
             ,
             If
             they
          
           are
           all
           as
           one
           ,
           
             how
             was
             the
             Question
             evaded
             ,
             when
          
           instead
           of
           speaking
           to
           the
           
             Real
             Presence
          
           ,
           the
           Answerer
           betook
           himself
           to
           
             Transubstantiation
             ?
             
             In
             this
             ,
             he
             thus
             acutely
             Answers
             .
          
           No
           truly
           ,
           they
           are
           not
           all
           as
           one
           ,
           as
           you
           may
           think
           .
           For
           there
           is
           a
           great
           deal
           of
           difference
           betwixt
           a
           Man
           ,
           and
           the
           Name
           by
           which
           he
           is
           distinguished
           .
           —
           'T
           is
           one
           thing
           to
           prove
           the
           
             Real
             Presence
          
           ,
           and
           being
           of
           Christs
           Body
           and
           Blood
           in
           the
           Sacrament
           ;
           and
           another
           to
           shew
           ,
           why
           this
           change
           is
           by
           the
           Church
           call'd
           Transubstantiation
           ;
           tho
           whoever
           believes
           the
           one
           ,
           can't
           in
           Truth
           deny
           the
           other
           .
           
             That
             is
             ,
             the
          
           Real
           Presence
           and
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           
             are
             not
          
           all
           as
           one
           ,
           
             because
             they
             are
          
           all
           as
           one
           :
           
             And
             the
          
           Answerer
           
             has
             evaded
             the
             Question
             ,
             by
             using
             the
             one
             for
             the
             other
             ,
             because
          
           whoever
           believes
           the
           one
           ,
           can't
           in
           Truth
           deny
           the
           other
           .
        
         
           3.
           
           But
           he
           has
           not
           yet
           concluded
           the
           Charge
           .
           For
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             Whereas
             the
             Controversy
             is
             not
             about
             the
             word
             ,
          
           the
           Answerer
           has
           
             altogether
             banter'd
             at
             the
             word
          
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           
             and
             not
             spoken
             to
             the
             Substance
             ,
          
           p.
           5.
           
           So
           before
           ,
           The
           Arians
           
             with
             as
             much
             reason
             might
             have
             objected
             against
             the
             word
          
           Consubstantial
           
             (
             which
             was
             devised
             against
             them
             )
             as
             the
             Protestant
             Answerer
             has
             done
             ,
             where
          
           p.
           3.
           he
           says
           ,
           
             
               That
               it
               's
               enough
               for
               them
               to
               shew
               that
            
             Transubstantiation
             
               is
               not
               taught
               in
               Scripture
               ,
               tho
               the
               Being
               of
               Christs
               Body
               and
               Blood
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               is
               ,
            
             —
             
               p.
               2.
               
            
          
           If
           our
           Author's
           skill
           in
           reasoning
           be
           no
           better
           than
           it
           appears
           to
           be
           in
           Ecclesiastical
           History
           ,
           his
           Adversary
           has
           no
           great
           reason
           to
           fear
           him
           .
           That
           the
           word
           Consubstantial
           was
           used
           against
           the
           Arians
           ,
           I
           acknowledg
           ;
           but
           that
           it
           was
           devised
           against
           them
           (
           as
           our
           Author
           saith
           )
           is
           spoken
           at
           adventure
           .
           For
           the
           contrary
           is
           evident
           that
           it
           was
           in
           use
           long
           before
           in
           the
           Christian
           Church
           .
           
           So
           saith
           
             Eusebius
             ,
             We
             have
             known
             certain
             Learned
             and
             Famous
             Bishops
             and
             Writers
             among
             the
             Ancients
             ,
             who
             reasoning
             upon
             the
             Divinity
             of
             the
             Father
             and
             Son
             ,
             have
             used
             the
             word
          
           Consubstantial
           ,
           or
           
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
          
           .
           But
           to
           return
           to
           the
           Charge
           ;
           where
           is
           this
           Controversy
           managed
           in
           the
           Answer
           about
           this
           unscriptural
           word
           Transubstantiation
           ,
           which
           the
           Protestant
           Answerer
           
             altogether
             banter'd
             at
          
           ?
           He
           has
           found
           it
           out
           in
           somewhat
           that
           is
           not
           there
           ;
           I
           shall
           here
           set
           down
           the
           Words
           of
           the
           Answer
           ,
           with
           his
           ,
           and
           let
           's
           see
           how
           they
           agree
           ,
           
             
               
                 Cath.
                 Letter
                 ,
                 p.
                 2.
                 
              
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
                 ,
                 p.
                 3.
                 
              
            
             
               
                 He
                 
                   [
                   the
                   Protestant
                   Answerer
                
                 ]
                 says
                 ,
                 That
                 't
                 is
                 enough
                 for
                 them
                 to
                 shew
                 that
                 Transubstantiation
                 is
                 not
                 taught
                 in
                 Scripture
                 ,
                 tho
                 the
                 Being
                 of
                 Christs
                 
                 Body
                 and
                 Blood
                 in
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 is
                 .
              
               
                 'T
                 is
                 enough
                 for
                 us
                 to
                 shew
                 ,
                 that
                 Transubstantiation
                 is
                 not
                 taught
                 in
                 Scripture
                 ,
                 and
                 that
                 those
                 that
                 pretend
                 't
                 is
                 there
                 ,
                 cannot
                 shew
                 it
                 ;
                 nay
                 ,
                 that
                 the
                 
                 literal
                 Sense
                 concludes
                 not
                 for
                 it
                 ;
                 and
                 that
                 our
                 notion
                 of
                 the
                 
                   Real
                   Presence
                
                 ,
                 is
                 agreeable
                 to
                 it
                 .
              
            
          
        
         
           Where
           this
           Author
           is
           guilty
           of
           a
           double
           Perversion
           .
           First
           ,
           That
           he
           translates
           what
           is
           spoken
           of
           Transubstantiation
           in
           the
           notion
           ,
           to
           the
           Word
           (
           when
           there
           is
           not
           a
           Syllable
           that
           looks
           ,
           that
           way
           )
           and
           then
           ,
           that
           he
           would
           represent
           the
           
             Real
             Presence
          
           in
           the
           Protestant
           ,
           that
           is
           a
           spiritual
           ,
           Sense
           ,
           to
           be
           an
           acknowledgment
           of
           
             the
             Being
             of
             Christs
             Body
             and
             Blood
             in
             the
             Sacrament
             ,
          
           in
           their
           way
           .
        
         
           But
           after
           our
           Author
           has
           for
           some
           Pages
           entertain'd
           himself
           in
           managing
           this
           imaginary
           dispute
           against
           his
           Adversary
           ,
           yet
           in
           Confutation
           of
           himself
           he
           finds
           out
           another
           sort
           of
           matter
           that
           he
           is
           obliged
           to
           consider
           ,
           and
           if
           he
           can
           ,
           to
           confute
           .
        
         
           The
           
             Protestant
             Answer
          
           consists
           of
           two
           Parts
           .
        
         
           In
           the
           first
           ,
           are
           considered
           the
           Texts
           produced
           in
           the
           
             Catholick
             Answer
             to
             the
             Seeker
          
           ,
           to
           prove
           their
           
             Real
             Presence
          
           ,
           which
           I
           hope
           I
           may
           now
           call
           Transubstantiation
           .
        
         
           In
           the
           second
           ,
           There
           is
           given
           a
           Catalogue
           of
           such
           Texts
           ,
           as
           maintain
           the
           Protestant
           Doctrine
           of
           Christs
           Spiritual
           Presence
           ,
           and
           in
           Confutation
           of
           the
           Corporal
           Presence
           held
           in
           the
           Church
           of
           Rome
           .
           And
           now
           let
           us
           view
           our
           Author's
           Undertaking
           ,
           and
           see
           how
           he
           has
           quitted
           himself
           in
           both
           of
           these
           .
        
         
           
             
               PART
               I.
               Sect.
               1
            
             
               WE
               are
               to
               consider
               in
               the
               first
               place
               ,
               
               how
               our
               Author
               has
               Vindicated
               his
               own
               Answer
               to
               the
               
                 Seekers
                 Request
              
               ,
               and
               what
               Reply
               there
               is
               made
               to
               the
               Objections
               and
               Arguments
               directed
               against
               his
               pretended
               Proofs
               from
               Scripture
               .
            
             
               In
               the
               entrance
               upon
               this
               matter
               ,
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               suggested
               ,
               that
               the
               Seeker
               had
               put
               an
               unreasonable
               Task
               upon
               his
               
                 Catholick
                 Priests
              
               ,
               to
               prove
               their
               
                 Real
                 Presence
              
               ,
               or
               
                 Transubstantiation
                 ,
                 by
                 the
                 express
                 Text
                 ,
                 and
                 plain
                 Word
                 of
                 God
              
               ;
               since
               Persons
               of
               the
               greatest
               Note
               ;
               for
               Quality
               and
               Learning
               ,
               in
               their
               Church
               ,
               have
               freely
               given
               it
               up
               ,
               and
               granted
               it
               to
               be
               a
               vain
               attempt
               .
               Such
               
               as
               Scotus
               and
               Biel
               ,
               among
               the
               Schoolmen
               ,
               and
               the
               Cardinals
               ,
               
                 Alliaco
                 ,
                 Fisher
                 ,
                 Cajetan
              
               and
               Bellarmin
               .
               What
               saith
               our
               Author
               to
               this
               ?
            
             
               First
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               Supposing
               it
               was
               so
               as
               these
               Authors
               say
               ,
               That
               
                 
                   there
                   is
                   not
                   one
                   place
                   of
                   Scripture
                   so
                   express
                   ,
                   that
                   without
                   the
                   Determination
                   of
                   the
                   Church
                   ,
                   it
                   would
                   evidently
                   compel
                   a
                   Man
                   to
                   receive
                
                 Transubstantiation
                 .
              
               —
               
                 Yet
                 the
                 same
                 might
                 as
                 well
                 be
                 said
                 of
                 the
                 Consubstantiality
                 of
                 the
                 Son
                 ,
              
               p.
               3.
               
               Will
               our
               Author
               venture
               to
               say
               ,
               there
               is
               no
               more
               from
               Scripture
               to
               prove
               the
               Consubstantiality
               of
               the
               Son
               ,
               than
               there
               is
               to
               prove
               Transubstantiation
               ?
               Or
               hath
               he
               any
               heart
               to
               say
               it
               ,
               after
               the
               publishing
               
                 the
                 Doctrine
                 of
                 the
                 Trinity
                 and
                 Transubstantiation
                 compared
                 ,
              
               and
               as
               long
               as
               that
               Book
               lies
               unanswered
               ?
               But
               let
               that
               be
               as
               it
               will.
               What
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 is
                 this
                 to
                 the
                 Being
                 ,
                 or
                 not
                 Being
                 of
                 the
                 Body
                 and
                 Blood
                 of
                 Christ
                 in
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 ?
                 Had
                 be
                 produced
              
               Scotus
               ,
               Bellarmin
               ,
               
                 &c.
                 to
                 disprove
                 the
              
               Real
               Presence
               ,
               
                 it
                 had
                 been
                 something
                 ,
                 tho
                 not
                 to
                 your
                 purpose
                 .
                 For
                 the
                 Request
                 was
                 to
                 satisfie
                 you
                 by
                 Scripture
                 only
                 ,
                 and
                 not
                 by
                 citing
                 our
                 Modern
                 Divines
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
                 but
                 by
                 the
                 express
                 Text
              
               ,
               &c.
               
               But
               I
               think
               it
               was
               to
               the
               purpose
               to
               shew
               that
               some
               of
               the
               most
               Eminent
               in
               their
               Church
               declare
               it
               is
               not
               to
               be
               proved
               in
               that
               way
               ,
               and
               I
               think
               to
               declare
               it
               cannot
               be
               proved
               ,
               is
               little
               better
               than
               to
               
                 disprove
                 it
              
               .
            
             
               At
               last
               our
               Author
               is
               content
               to
               yield
               up
               Scotus
               ,
               one
               of
               his
               
                 Modern
                 Divines
              
               ,
               and
               Bellarmin
               ;
               and
               he
               adds
               ,
               
                 if
                 what
                 they
                 have
                 said
                 in
                 that
                 matter
                 ,
                 will
                 do
                 the
                 Gentleman
                 a
                 kindness
                 ,
                 he
                 shall
                 have
                 it
                 not
                 only
                 from
                 them
                 ,
                 but
                 all
                 the
                 Faithful
                 .
              
               If
               so
               ,
               I
               fear
               our
               Author
               then
               will
               be
               left
               alone
               ;
               for
               if
               
                 all
                 the
                 Faithful
              
               are
               of
               the
               same
               mind
               with
               Scotus
               and
               Bellarmin
               ;
               then
               his
               Undertaking
               to
               prove
               Transubstantiation
               by
               the
               
                 express
                 Texts
                 of
              
               Scripture
               ,
               will
               be
               a
               fruitless
               Attempt
               .
               But
               we
               go
               too
               far
               ,
               for
               that
               's
               to
               be
               understood
               with
               a
               reserve
               ,
               viz.
               Scripture
               
                 without
                 the
                 Determination
                 of
                 the
                 Church
                 is
                 not
                 so
                 express
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
               This
               premised
               ,
               our
               Author
               cheerfully
               proceeds
               ,
               
                 That
                 altho
                 the
                 Scripture
                 were
                 never
                 so
                 plain
                 ,
                 we
                 would
                 yet
                 submit
                 to
                 the
                 Determination
                 of
                 the
                 Church
                 ,
                 for
                 the
                 true
                 Sense
                 and
                 Meaning
                 thereof
                 .
              
               So
               that
               tho
               he
               pleads
               Scripture
               ,
               and
               would
               fain
               find
               out
               somewhat
               that
               looks
               like
               an
               
                 express
                 Text
              
               ;
               yet
               he
               doth
               it
               not
               ,
               nor
               would
               be
               understood
               ,
               
                 that
                 he
                 thereby
                 renounced
                 the
                 Determination
                 of
                 the
                 Church
                 .
              
               For
               whether
               the
               Scripture
               be
               plain
               for
               it
               or
               not
               ,
               is
               not
               the
               Foot
               this
               matter
               rests
               upon
               ;
               and
               
                 altho
                 it
                 were
                 never
                 so
                 plain
                 ,
              
               yet
               the
               Church
               is
               to
               give
               it
               the
               
                 true
                 
                 meaning
              
               ;
               and
               whatever
               meaning
               the
               Church
               gives
               it
               ,
               that
               is
               the
               
                 true
                 meaning
              
               ;
               and
               so
               ,
               if
               the
               Church
               had
               determined
               against
               Transubstantiation
               ,
               as
               it
               has
               determined
               for
               it
               ,
               there
               would
               have
               been
               still
               express
               Texts
               ,
               and
               the
               case
               had
               been
               alike
               resolved
               .
            
          
           
             
               SECT
               .
               II.
               
            
             
               AT
               last
               we
               are
               come
               to
               the
               main
               seat
               of
               the
               Controversie
               ,
               
               p.
               6.
               
               The
               
                 Catholick
                 Answerer
              
               had
               produced
               two
               places
               of
               Scripture
               as
               his
               
                 plain
                 Texts
              
               for
               Transubstantiation
               ;
               the
               first
               is
               ,
               Joh.
               6.
               48.
               
               Here
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               interposed
               ,
               and
               first
               directed
               the
               Seeker
               ,
               where
               he
               might
               find
               about
               thirty
               Writers
               of
               the
               Roman
               Church
               ,
               who
               reject
               that
               Text
               as
               not
               serving
               to
               our
               
               Author's
               purpose
               ,
               Pag.
               4.
               and
               then
               proceeds
               to
               shew
               for
               what
               reasons
               they
               and
               we
               do
               so
               reject
               it
               .
            
             
               Arg.
               1.
               
               As
               it
               had
               no
               special
               reference
               to
               the
               Sacrament
               ;
               and
               that
               for
               two
               Reasons
               :
               1.
               
               Because
               this
               Discourse
               of
               our
               Saviour
               was
               delivered
               above
               a
               year
               before
               ,
               ver
               .
               4.
               
            
             
               To
               this
               first
               our
               Author
               replies
               ,
            
             
               That
               the
               fourth
               Verse
               ,
               
                 [
                 The
                 Passover
                 ,
                 a
                 Feast
                 of
                 the
                 Jews
                 ,
                 was
                 nigh
                 ]
                 is
                 no
                 Rule
                 to
                 shew
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 was
                 not
                 instituted
                 above
                 a
                 year
                 after
                 .
              
               For
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 that
                 this
                 word
              
               Nigh
               
                 should
                 signifie
                 above
                 a
                 year
                 after
                 ,
                 is
                 such
                 a
                 Figure
                 as
                 never
                 was
                 :
              
               And
               so
               gravely
               repairs
               to
               his
               Concordance
               to
               prove
               the
               word
               Nigh
               is
               
                 not
                 by
                 express
                 and
                 plain
                 Scripture
                 to
                 be
                 taken
                 for
                 above
                 a
                 year
                 after
                 .
              
               Certainly
               there
               was
               never
               more
               need
               of
               
                 express
                 and
                 plain
                 Scripture
              
               ,
               when
               men
               cannot
               look
               a
               Chapter
               or
               two
               before
               them
               .
               For
               would
               any
               one
               that
               was
               conversant
               in
               the
               Gospels
               ,
               think
               that
               St.
               John
               here
               ,
               and
               St.
               
                 Luke
                 22.
                 1.
              
               must
               needs
               speak
               of
               the
               same
               Passover
               ,
               because
               St.
               
                 Luke
                 hath
                 the
                 same
                 word
                 ,
                 Now
                 the
                 Feast
                 of
                 unleavened
                 bread
                 drew
                 nigh
                 ,
                 which
                 is
                 call'd
                 the
                 Passover
                 .
              
               I
               see
               our
               Author
               wants
               here
               a
               little
               information
               .
               Let
               him
               therefore
               turn
               to
               
                 Chap.
                 7.
                 v.
                 2
                 ,
                 &
              
               14.
               and
               he
               will
               find
               a
               Feast
               of
               Tabernacles
               ;
               and
               go
               on
               to
               Chap.
               13.
               1.
               and
               he
               will
               find
               another
               Passover
               .
               Now
               I
               hope
               I
               need
               not
               acquaint
               him
               that
               these
               two
               Feasts
               of
               the
               Tabernacles
               and
               Passover
               were
               kept
               in
               different
               Months
               ,
               and
               that
               the
               same
               Passover
               could
               not
               be
               before
               and
               after
               the
               Feast
               of
               Tabernacles
               ;
               and
               consequently
               ,
               it
               must
               be
               a
               year
               betwixt
               the
               Passover
               ,
               Joh.
               6.
               4.
               and
               that
               Joh.
               13.
               1.
               and
               as
               much
               
                 above
                 a
                 year
              
               betwixt
               our
               Saviour's
               Discourse
               ,
               Joh.
               6.
               and
               the
               Passover
               ,
               as
               that
               was
               before
               the
               approaching
               Passover
               that
               was
               said
               to
               be
               Nigh
               .
            
             
             
               2.
               
               The
               Protestant
               Answerer
               
                 proceeded
                 to
                 shew
                 that
                 this
                 Discourse
                 of
                 our
                 Saviour
                 had
                 no
                 special
                 reference
                 to
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 ,
                 because
              
               the
               eating
               the
               Flesh
               ,
               and
               drinking
               the
               Blood
               here
               spoken
               of
               ,
               might
               be
               out
               of
               the
               Sacrament
               as
               well
               as
               in
               it
               ,
               and
               at
               that
               present
               as
               well
               as
               a
               year
               after
               .
               
                 This
                 he
                 proved
                 from
              
               Vers.
               53
               ,
               54
               ,
               56
               ,
               57.
               
               
                 In
                 all
                 which
                 the
                 present
                 time
                 is
                 still
                 spoken
                 of
                 ,
              
               Except
               ye
               eat
               .
               He
               that
               eateth
               .
               —
               My
               flesh
               is
               meat
               .
            
             
               To
               this
               our
               Author
               replies
               :
            
             
               
                 To
                 say
              
               ,
               That
               the
               flesh
               of
               Christ
               may
               be
               eaten
               out
               of
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               and
               even
               before
               it
               was
               instituted
               ,
               &c.
               is
               indeed
               such
               a
               Figure
               ,
               as
               none
               but
               himself
               can
               unriddle
               ,
               p.
               8.
               
            
             
               
                 I
                 answer
                 ,
                 But
                 to
                 say
                 (
                 as
                 he
                 doth
                 )
              
               that
               Christ
               would
               give
               us
               bread
               to
               eat
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               which
               should
               be
               the
               very
               same
               flesh
               which
               he
               would
               ,
               and
               afterwards
               did
               give
               for
               the
               life
               of
               the
               world
               ,
               
                 that
                 is
                 ,
                 that
                 he
                 should
                 give
                 it
                 before
                 it
                 was
                 given
                 ,
                 is
                 a
              
               Figure
               
                 I
                 doubt
                 our
                 Author
              
               himself
               cannot
               unriddle
               ;
               
                 who
                 saith
                 again
                 ,
                 that
              
               before
               he
               gave
               it
               ,
               't
               was
               impossible
               for
               them
               to
               eat
               it
               ;
               
                 but
                 he
                 gave
                 it
                 not
                 ,
                 till
                 he
                 gave
                 it
                 on
                 the
                 Cross.
                 
              
            
             
               (
               2
               )
               But
               to
               say
               that
               the
               Flesh
               of
               Christ
               
                 here
                 spoken
                 of
              
               (
               an
               Exposition
               our
               Author
               left
               out
               )
               might
               be
               eaten
               out
               of
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               as
               well
               as
               in
               it
               ,
               is
               no
               Riddle
               ,
               if
               it
               be
               true
               .
               And
               it
               is
               true
               if
               our
               Saviour
               spoke
               here
               of
               his
               Flesh
               that
               might
               be
               ,
               and
               was
               then
               to
               be
               eaten
               ,
               at
               the
               same
               time
               as
               he
               spoke
               it
               ,
               by
               all
               those
               that
               were
               then
               his
               present
               Auditors
               ;
               as
               the
               Answerer
               proved
               from
               verses
               53
               ,
               54
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             
               
                 To
                 this
                 our
                 Author
                 opposes
              
               vers
               .
               5.
               
               The
               Bread
               which
               I
               will
               give
               is
               my
               flesh
               ,
               &c.
               
               Where
               ,
               
                 saith
                 he
              
               ,
               Christ
               promised
               ,
               and
               told
               them
               before
               that
               be
               would
               (
               in
               the
               Future
               Tense
               )
               give
               them
               bread
               to
               eat
               ,
               which
               should
               be
               the
               very
               same
               flesh
               ,
               which
               he
               would
               ,
               and
               afterwards
               did
               ,
               give
               for
               the
               life
               of
               the
               world
               .
               
                 Whence
                 he
                 infers
              
               ,
               If
               the
               bread
               which
               he
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               gives
               us
               to
               eat
               ,
               saying
               ,
               Take
               ,
               Eat
               ,
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               ,
               be
               not
               that
               Bread
               which
               he
               promised
               he
               would
               give
               us
               to
               eat
               ,
               pray
               ask
               your
               Protestant
               Answerer
               ,
               where
               ,
               when
               ,
               and
               how
               did
               Christ
               give
               us
               Bread
               to
               eat
               ,
               which
               should
               be
               his
               flesh
               ,
               if
               this
               be
               not
               ?
               
                 Pag.
                 7.
                 
                 What
                 is
                 a
                 little
                 out
                 of
                 its
                 place
                 ,
                 in
                 our
                 Author
                 ,
                 I
                 have
                 here
                 laid
                 together
                 ,
                 that
                 I
                 may
                 give
                 it
                 its
                 full
                 force
                 :
              
            
             
               To
               this
               I
               answer
               :
            
             
               1.
               
               I
               readily
               own
               with
               our
               Author
               ,
               that
               the
               words
               ,
               
                 I
                 will
                 give
              
               ,
               contain
               a
               promise
               ,
               but
               then
               we
               differ
               about
               the
               time
               when
               they
               were
               fulfilled
               .
               He
               saith
               ,
               they
               refer
               to
               his
               
                 last
                 Supper
                 ,
                 when
                 he
                 took
                 
                 Bread
                 ,
              
               &c.
               under
               the
               
                 Forms
                 of
                 Bread
                 and
                 Wine
              
               .
               But
               now
               if
               I
               am
               examined
               upon
               the
               Where
               ,
               the
               When
               ,
               and
               the
               How
               ,
               I
               should
               refer
               it
               to
               the
               Cross
               ;
               and
               that
               because
               of
               the
               following
               words
               ,
               
                 The
                 Bread
                 which
                 I
                 will
                 give
                 is
                 my
                 Flesh
                 ,
                 which
                 I
                 will
                 give
                 for
                 the
                 life
                 of
                 the
                 world
                 .
              
               For
               he
               gave
               not
               his
               Flesh
               
                 for
                 the
                 life
                 of
                 the
                 world
              
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               ▪
               but
               after
               the
               institution
               of
               that
               ,
               on
               the
               Cross
               ;
               not
               under
               the
               
                 Forms
                 of
                 Bread
                 and
                 Wine
              
               ,
               but
               in
               his
               own
               proper
               Form
               ,
               and
               visible
               to
               the
               Spectators
               .
               The
               reason
               of
               his
               mistake
               seems
               to
               be
               ,
               that
               he
               reads
               the
               Future
               Tense
               after
               this
               manner
               ,
               our
               Saviour
               
                 told
                 them
                 that
                 he
                 would
                 give
                 them
                 Bread
                 to
                 eat
                 ,
                 which
                 should
                 be
                 his
                 Flesh.
              
               Where
               he
               is
               guilty
               of
               two
               over-sights
               .
               First
               ,
               that
               he
               applies
               that
               to
               the
               Future
               which
               is
               spoken
               of
               the
               Present
               ,
               for
               he
               reads
               it
               
                 should
                 be
                 his
                 Flesh
              
               ,
               as
               if
               it
               was
               first
               Bread
               ,
               and
               then
               was
               to
               be
               Flesh
               ,
               to
               put
               the
               better
               colour
               upon
               their
               Doctrine
               of
               Transubstantiation
               ;
               whereas
               our
               Saviour
               saith
               ,
               the
               Bread
               
                 is
                 my
                 Flesh
              
               ,
               which
               is
               directly
               against
               it
               ;
               and
               if
               it
               signifies
               any
               thing
               of
               that
               nature
               ,
               would
               rather
               prove
               that
               his
               Flesh
               should
               be
               Bread.
               For
               it
               's
               not
               said
               ,
               the
               Bread
               which
               I
               will
               give
               shall
               be
               my
               Flesh
               ,
               but
               rather
               that
               which
               is
               my
               Flesh
               ,
               I
               will
               give
               to
               be
               Bread.
               
            
             
               2.
               
               He
               alters
               the
               Terms
               of
               the
               Text
               ,
               for
               the
               words
               are
               ,
               
                 Which
                 I
                 will
                 give
                 for
                 the
                 life
                 of
                 the
                 world
              
               ;
               and
               he
               reads
               them
               ,
               
                 Which
                 I
                 will
                 give
                 them
                 to
                 Eat
                 :
              
               as
               if
               the
               promise
               refer'd
               only
               to
               the
               Bread
               which
               they
               should
               eat
               ;
               and
               not
               to
               the
               Flesh
               which
               was
               to
               be
               given
               for
               the
               world
               .
               So
               that
               we
               see
               what
               's
               like
               to
               become
               of
               his
               Question
               ,
               he
               prays
               his
               Seeker
               to
               ask
               his
               Protestant
               Answerer
               ,
               viz.
               
                 Where
                 ,
                 When
                 and
                 How
                 did
                 Christ
                 give
                 us
                 Bread
                 to
                 eat
                 which
                 should
                 be
                 his
                 Flesh
                 ,
                 if
                 this
                 be
                 it
                 not
              
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               ?
               For
               he
               must
               frame
               his
               Question
               anew
               ,
               if
               he
               would
               have
               it
               to
               the
               purpose
               ;
               and
               must
               read
               St.
               John
               again
               (
               notwithstanding
               what
               he
               saith
               he
               has
               done
               on
               
                 this
                 occasion
              
               ,
               Pag
               8.
               )
               and
               whatever
               he
               found
               before
               ,
               I
               am
               apt
               to
               think
               after
               this
               little
               light
               given
               to
               him
               ,
               he
               will
               not
               find
               those
               words
               in
               this
               Chapter
               ,
               
                 He
                 would
                 give
                 them
                 Bread
                 to
                 eat
                 ,
                 which
                 should
                 be
                 his
                 Flesh.
              
               And
               if
               he
               reads
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answer
              
               again
               ,
               he
               will
               find
               no
               occasion
               for
               those
               words
               ,
               Where
               ,
               &c.
               
                 if
                 this
                 be
                 it
                 not
              
               ?
               For
               the
               Answerer
               did
               not
               except
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               and
               say
               the
               eating
               the
               Flesh
               ,
               and
               drinking
               the
               Blood
               here
               spoken
               of
               ,
               could
               not
               be
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               but
               that
               it
               might
               be
               out
               of
               the
               Sacrament
               as
               well
               as
               in
               it
               ;
               intimating
               thereby
               that
               it
               was
               not
               to
               be
               understood
               in
               a
               sense
               peculiar
               to
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               but
               in
               a
               sense
               common
               to
               that
               and
               other
               Offices
               of
               Religion
               ;
               and
               
               that
               eating
               and
               drinking
               were
               (
               as
               he
               shew'd
               )
               but
               other
               words
               for
               coming
               and
               believing
               .
            
             
               3.
               
               
                 But
                 our
                 Author
                 has
                 a
                 further
                 reserve
                 ,
                 and
                 offers
                 at
                 a
                 peculiar
                 Exposition
                 of
                 those
                 Phrases
                 ,
                 I
                 suppose
                 it's
                 (
                 in
                 his
                 phrase
                 .
              
               p.
               2.
               )
               his
               private
               meaning
               ●
               
                 v.
                 53
                 ,
                 &c.
              
               
               Except
               ye
               eat
               ,
               —
               he
               that
               eateth
               .
               Not
               ,
               
                 saith
                 he
              
               ,
               that
               he
               did
               then
               give
               ,
               or
               that
               they
               did
               then
               eat
               his
               Flesh
               ,
               and
               drink
               his
               Blood
               ,
               which
               they
               could
               not
               do
               before
               he
               took
               it
               ,
               blessed
               it
               ,
               brake
               it
               ,
               and
               gave
               it
               .
               For
               at
               that
               time
               when
               he
               spake
               this
               ,
               he
               only
               told
               them
               he
               would
               give
               it
               ,
               and
               the
               Eve
               before
               his
               Passion
               ,
               he
               performed
               it
               .
               And
               from
               that
               time
               I
               suppose
               the
               Obligation
               bears
               force
               ,
               ver
               .
               53.
               
               Except
               ye
               eat
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             
               I
               will
               suppose
               that
               the
               Present
               doth
               not
               here
               exclude
               the
               Future
               ,
               and
               that
               he
               that
               
                 eateth
                 my
                 Flesh
                 ,
                 and
                 drinketh
                 my
                 Blood
                 hath
                 Eternal
                 life
                 ,
              
               will
               always
               hold
               true
               ,
               and
               what
               all
               ages
               as
               well
               as
               those
               then
               present
               would
               partake
               of
               ;
               but
               methinks
               it
               's
               very
               hard
               to
               make
               the
               present
               exclude
               it self
               ,
               and
               to
               tell
               us
               that
               
                 they
                 did
                 not
                 ,
                 and
                 could
                 not
                 then
                 eat
                 the
                 Flesh
                 of
                 Christ
                 ,
              
               when
               our
               Saviour
               saith
               they
               might
               and
               ought
               ,
               as
               is
               evident
               from
               what
               follows
               .
            
             
               Let
               us
               go
               to
               the
               thing
               to
               be
               eaten
               ,
               and
               it
               's
               represented
               in
               the
               Present
               Tense
               ,
               v.
               51.
               
               This
               is
               the
               Bread.
               v.
               51.
               
               I
               am
               the
               Bread.
               
                 v.
                 52.
                 
                 Is
              
               my
               Flesh.
               v.
               55.
               
               My
               Flesh
               is
               meat
               .
            
             
               Let
               us
               go
               to
               the
               act
               ,
               and
               in
               correspondence
               to
               the
               object
               ,
               it
               's
               also
               in
               the
               present
               ,
               v.
               51.
               
               If
               any
               man
               eat
               .
               Thus
               the
               Jews
               understood
               it
               ,
               v.
               52.
               
               How
               can
               this
               man
               give
               us
               his
               Flesh
               to
               eat
               ?
               And
               accordingly
               our
               Saviour
               answers
               ,
               v.
               53.
               
               Except
               ye
               eat
               ,
               &c.
               
                 ye
                 have
              
               no
               life
               in
               you
               .
               He
               speaks
               it
               to
               those
               present
               ,
               ye
               ;
               and
               then
               applies
               it
               universally
               ,
               
                 v.
                 54.
                 
                 Whoso
                 eateth
                 my
                 Flesh
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
            
             
               Let
               us
               go
               to
               the
               thing
               signified
               by
               Eating
               and
               Drinking
               ,
               and
               it
               's
               after
               the
               same
               manner
               ,
               v.
               35.
               
               He
               that
               cometh
               ,
               and
               he
               that
               
                 believeth
                 ,
                 v.
              
               38
               ,
               40
               ,
               45
               ,
               47.
               
            
             
               I
               shall
               conclude
               this
               with
               what
               was
               said
               in
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answer
              
               .
               If
               Christ's
               Flesh
               here
               spoken
               of
               ,
               might
               be
               eaten
               ,
               and
               his
               Blood
               drank
               out
               of
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               then
               it
               could
               not
               here
               be
               understood
               of
               that
               Flesh
               and
               Blood
               which
               our
               Author
               saith
               the
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               are
               converted
               into
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               ;
               nor
               ,
               I
               may
               add
               ,
               of
               carnal
               eating
               his
               Flesh
               ,
               and
               drinking
               his
               Blood.
               
            
             
               
                 Our
                 Author
                 resents
                 this
                 ill
                 ,
                 for
                 he
                 saith
                 ,
              
               As
               to
               his
               carnal
               eating
               ,
               we
               beg
               his
               pardon
               ,
               if
               he
               means
               as
               we
               eat
               Beef
               ,
               and
               other
               Meats
               .
               For
               that
               we
               truly
               and
               really
               receive
               the
               Body
               and
               Blood
               of
               Christ
               (
               to
               use
               his
               own
               words
               )
               after
               an
               Heavenly
               and
               Spiritual
               manner
               ;
               We
               should
               
               agree
               ,
               did
               we
               not
               differ
               in
               this
               ,
               that
               they
               receive
               it
               in
               Figure
               and
               Fancy
               only
               ,
               and
               we
               receive
               it
               in
               Substance
               and
               Truth
               ,
               Pag.
               8.
               
            
             
               Here
               I
               acknowledg
               I
               intended
               no
               hurt
               in
               the
               world
               ,
               but
               thought
               I
               had
               exprest
               my self
               innocently
               enough
               .
               For
               when
               I
               had
               read
               in
               the
               
                 Catholick
                 Answer
              
               ,
               that
               
                 in
                 the
                 ▪
                 Eucharist
                 is
                 Truly
                 ,
                 Really
                 ,
                 and
                 Substantially
                 contained
                 under
                 the
                 Forms
                 of
                 Bread
                 and
                 Wine
                 ,
                 the
                 True
                 Body
                 and
                 Blood
                 of
                 our
                 Lord
                 Jesus
                 in
                 the
                 very
                 Substance
                 wherein
                 he
                 was
                 born
                 of
                 the
                 Virgin
                 ,
                 and
                 wherein
                 he
                 lived
                 and
                 died
                 for
                 us
                 ,
                 with
                 this
                 difference
                 only
                 ,
                 that
                 he
                 was
                 visible
                 to
                 the
                 eye
                 of
                 Flesh
                 then
                 ,
                 and
                 invisible
                 to
                 the
                 same
                 now
                 .
              
               I
               thought
               the
               word
               carnal
               was
               expressive
               of
               the
               thing
               ,
               and
               indeed
               I
               find
               no
               great
               reason
               to
               alter
               it
               :
               For
               ,
               1.
               had
               I
               said
               Metaphorically
               and
               Figuratively
               ,
               that
               by
               no
               means
               would
               suit
               what
               is
               corporal
               .
               And
               besides
               ,
               I
               learn
               too
               from
               our
               Author
               ,
               Pag.
               17.
               that
               that
               is
               a
               
                 deceitful
                 ,
                 fictious
              
               manner
               .
               2.
               
               Had
               I
               said
               corporal
               ,
               I
               see
               little
               distance
               betwixt
               that
               and
               carnal
               ;
               for
               as
               Body
               and
               Flesh
               is
               all
               one
               ,
               so
               is
               corporal
               and
               carnal
               .
               3.
               
               Had
               I
               chosen
               the
               word
               Spiritual
               ,
               that
               's
               a
               kind
               of
               contradiction
               ,
               if
               applied
               to
               a
               Body
               ;
               for
               Spiritual
               eating
               of
               a
               Body
               is
               little
               better
               than
               bodily
               eating
               of
               a
               spirit
               .
               And
               when
               a
               
                 Real
                 Presence
                 by
                 Faith
              
               would
               not
               content
               them
               ,
               if
               
                 we
                 deny
                 a
                 Real
                 Presence
                 by
                 sense
                 ,
                 Seeker
                 ,
              
               Pag.
               6.
               
               I
               had
               as
               much
               reason
               to
               believe
               a
               Spiritual
               eating
               would
               be
               no
               more
               allowed
               than
               a
               Spiritual
               Presence
               .
               4.
               
               Had
               I
               express'd
               it
               by
               Heavenly
               ,
               when
               it
               was
               somewhat
               eaten
               and
               drank
               corporally
               ,
               and
               that
               what
               we
               took
               with
               the
               mouth
               was
               the
               very
               Body
               of
               Christ
               ,
               it
               could
               not
               be
               sufficiently
               expressive
               of
               it
               .
            
             
               It
               was
               further
               urged
               ,
            
             
               Arg.
               2.
               
               Upon
               mature
               Consideration
               of
               the
               whole
               ,
               it
               appear'd
               to
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               ,
               that
               the
               sense
               of
               Eating
               the
               Flesh
               of
               Christ
               in
               this
               place
               must
               be
               Figurative
               ,
               and
               signifies
               no
               other
               than
               coming
               to
               Christ
               ,
               and
               Believing
               in
               him
               ;
               which
               sure
               is
               out
               of
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               as
               well
               as
               in
               it
               .
               And
               this
               indeed
               he
               proved
               from
               the
               promiscuous
               use
               of
               the
               words
               in
               that
               Chapter
               ;
               but
               this
               our
               Author
               conceals
               from
               his
               Reader
               ,
               that
               he
               might
               not
               too
               apparently
               contradict
               what
               he
               had
               said
               ,
               Pag.
               2.
               
               That
               
                 he
                 says
                 (
                 by
                 no
                 Authority
                 but
                 his
                 own
                 )
                 that
                 the
                 sense
                 of
                 Eating
                 the
                 Flesh
                 ,
                 must
                 be
                 Figurative
                 ;
                 and
                 right
                 or
                 wrong
                 they
                 are
                 Figurative
                 ,
              
               upon
               his
               own
               
                 bare
                 word
              
               ,
               without
               Scripture
               .
            
             
               But
               as
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               argued
               from
               the
               words
               and
               phrases
               of
               the
               Chapter
               ,
               so
               from
               the
               current
               of
               our
               Saviour's
               
               Discourse
               ,
               that
               it
               could
               not
               be
               properly
               and
               literally
               understood
               .
            
             
               (
               1.
               )
               Because
               then
               all
               that
               properly
               Eat
               the
               Flesh
               of
               Christ
               ,
               would
               according
               to
               our
               Saviour's
               promise
               ,
               
                 v.
                 54.
                 
                 Have
                 Eternal
                 Life
                 ;
                 Whoso
                 Eateth
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
            
             
               To
               this
               our
               Author
               answers
               ,
               
                 Very
                 truel
              
               but
               with
               a
               qualification
               that
               recalls
               what
               he
               had
               granted
               .
               For
               it
               's
               to
               be
               understood
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               of
               
                 Worthy
                 Receivers
              
               .
               But
               this
               is
               by
               no
               means
               consistent
               with
               our
               Saviour's
               Reasoning
               ,
               which
               if
               the
               Flesh
               to
               be
               eat
               ,
               and
               the
               Eating
               of
               it
               were
               to
               be
               understood
               properly
               ,
               will
               necessarily
               infer
               the
               Salvation
               of
               all
               such
               as
               thus
               Eat
               after
               this
               manner
               ;
               as
               well
               unworthy
               as
               ●●worthy
               .
               Since
               all
               that
               Eat
               his
               Flesh
               ,
               and
               drink
               his
               Blood
               ,
               in
               the
               sense
               there
               meant
               ,
               are
               the
               persons
               to
               whom
               Eternal
               Life
               is
               promised
               ;
               but
               if
               properly
               Eating
               his
               Flesh
               be
               the
               sense
               of
               our
               Saviour's
               Expressions
               there
               us'd
               ,
               then
               we
               know
               what
               follows
               .
            
             
               2.
               
               The
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               urged
               further
               ,
               That
               if
               the
               words
               
                 Eating
                 the
                 Flesh
              
               ,
               and
               
                 Drinking
                 the
                 Blood
              
               ,
               be
               properly
               to
               be
               understood
               ,
               then
               the
               Receiving
               the
               Sacrament
               in
               both
               Kinds
               will
               be
               necessary
               to
               Salvation
               ;
               it
               being
               affirmed
               ,
               
                 v.
                 53.
                 
                 Except
                 ye
                 eat
                 the
                 Flesh
                 of
                 the
                 Son
                 of
                 man
                 ,
                 and
                 drink
                 his
                 Blood
                 ,
                 ye
                 have
                 no
                 life
                 in
                 you
              
               ;
               and
               he
               shewed
               that
               for
               this
               reason
               ,
               amongst
               others
               ,
               Cardinal
               Cajetan
               would
               not
               admit
               that
               this
               Discourse
               of
               our
               Saviour
               belong'd
               to
               the
               Eucharist
               .
            
             
               What
               saith
               our
               Author
               to
               this
               ?
               Truly
               nothing
               .
               
                 As
                 to
                 this
              
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 of
                 both
                 kinds
                 ,
                 it
                 doth
                 not
                 properly
                 relate
                 either
                 to
                 your
                 request
                 ,
                 or
                 my
                 Answer
                 .
              
               A
               Reply
               that
               may
               be
               made
               in
               any
               case
               .
            
             
               He
               goes
               on
               ,
               
                 And
                 besides
                 ,
                 I
                 do
                 not
                 see
                 where
                 the
                 necessity
                 lies
                 of
                 defining
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 in
                 both
                 Kinds
                 to
                 one
                 that
                 believes
                 ▪
                 it
                 in
                 neither
                 .
              
               That
               is
               ,
               as
               much
               as
               to
               say
               ,
               I
               beg
               his
               pardon
               ,
               I
               will
               not
               vouchsafe
               an
               Answer
               to
               such
               an
               one
               as
               he
               is
               ;
               but
               however
               ,
               methinks
               he
               might
               have
               said
               somewhat
               ,
               if
               it
               had
               been
               only
               for
               the
               satisfaction
               of
               the
               distressed
               Seeker
               ,
               to
               whom
               he
               writes
               his
               Letter
               ;
               to
               let
               him
               see
               that
               there
               is
               no
               consequence
               in
               this
               Argument
               .
               It
               puzled
               Cardinal
               Cajetan
               ,
               a
               man
               of
               sense
               and
               sagacity
               ;
               and
               surely
               the
               Seeker
               may
               then
               be
               led
               away
               by
               the
               error
               of
               it
               ,
               and
               it
               may
               put
               off
               his
               
                 Declaration
                 for
                 the
                 Catholick
                 Faith
              
               four
               Months
               longer
               .
               But
               there
               is
               no
               danger
               ,
               it
               was
               not
               necessary
               to
               one
               that
               doth
               not
               believe
               ;
               but
               he
               declares
               he
               
                 is
                 ready
                 to
                 satisfie
                 his
                 Seeker
                 ,
              
               that
               is
               ,
               one
               that
               doth
               believe
               ,
               as
               we
               may
               conceive
               .
            
             
             
               
                 I
                 know
                 not
                 whether
                 this
                 may
                 not
                 have
                 put
                 our
                 Author
                 a
                 little
                 out
                 of
                 humour
                 ,
                 for
                 he
                 cannot
                 but
              
               abhor
               ,
               
                 he
                 saith
              
               ,
               to
               see
               men
               mould
               Gods
               Word
               into
               what
               Form
               they
               please
               ,
               and
               make
               every
               thing
               a
               Figure
               ,
               that
               doth
               not
               square
               with
               their
               Fancy
               .
               Is
               it
               because
               our
               Saviour
               spake
               some
               things
               by
               way
               of
               Parable
               ,
               that
               all
               he
               said
               was
               such
               ?
               Or
               that
               he
               never
               spake
               otherwise
               ?
               How
               comes
               it
               that
               mean
               Capacities
               are
               (
               by
               the
               Church
               of
               St.
               
               Martin's
               )
               left
               to
               themselves
               ,
               to
               judg
               of
               the
               true
               sense
               of
               Scripture
               ,
               according
               to
               
                 D.
                 T.
              
               who
               tells
               you
               in
               his
               
                 True
                 Account
                 of
                 a
                 Conference
              
               ,
               
                 That
                 a
                 man
                 after
                 using
                 all
                 Christian
                 Means
                 ,
                 and
                 the
                 help
                 of
                 all
                 Ministerial
                 Guides
                 possible
                 ,
                 must
                 at
                 last
                 judg
                 for
                 himself
                 .
                 —
                 A
                 special
                 Assertion
                 indeed
                 !
                 Which
                 if
                 true
                 ,
                 what
                 need
                 of
                 Teachers
                 ?
                 &c.
                 
                 
                   Pag.
                   10
                   ▪
                   
                
              
            
             
               But
               how
               doth
               he
               mould
               the
               Word
               of
               God
               into
               what
               Form
               he
               pleases
               ,
               that
               understands
               that
               Figuratively
               which
               was
               Figuratively
               spoken
               ?
               And
               to
               whom
               doth
               our
               Author
               speak
               when
               he
               thus
               Expostulates
               ,
               
                 Is
                 it
                 because
                 our
                 Saviour
                 spake
                 some
                 things
                 by
                 way
                 of
                 Parable
                 ,
                 that
                 all
                 he
                 said
                 was
                 such
                 ?
              
               Had
               he
               no
               other
               way
               to
               get
               clear
               of
               his
               Adversary
               ,
               but
               to
               fix
               this
               upon
               him
               ?
               And
               had
               he
               no
               other
               way
               to
               meet
               with
               those
               that
               plead
               for
               the
               perspicuity
               of
               Scripture
               ,
               but
               to
               tell
               the
               world
               ,
               that
               they
               own
               our
               Saviour
               
                 never
                 spake
                 otherwise
                 than
                 in
                 Parables
                 ?
              
               How
               mean
               and
               ridiculous
               is
               this
               ?
               But
               however
               this
               was
               a
               fair
               occasion
               as
               he
               thought
               to
               make
               a
               special
               Remarque
               upon
               the
               Doctrine
               taught
               
                 by
                 the
                 Church
                 of
                 St.
                 Martin's
                 .
              
               Now
               here
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               is
               more
               immediately
               concerned
               as
               a
               Parishioner
               (
               though
               one
               of
               the
               
                 Mean
                 Capacities
              
               there
               taught
               )
               and
               would
               fain
               see
               how
               our
               Author
               would
               manage
               himself
               in
               a
               debate
               upon
               that
               Argument
               ;
               especially
               when
               after
               his
               Exclamation
               against
               it
               ,
               he
               himself
               is
               forced
               to
               acknowledg
               the
               reasonableness
               of
               it
               .
               For
               if
               a
               man
               must
               not
               
                 at
                 last
                 judg
                 for
                 himself
              
               ;
               or
               if
               so
               ,
               that
               there
               will
               be
               no
               
                 need
                 of
                 Teachers
              
               ;
               then
               it
               's
               in
               vain
               to
               send
               Answers
               and
               Letters
               to
               a
               Seeker
               ,
               and
               to
               propose
               Texts
               to
               his
               Examination
               :
               And
               yet
               in
               this
               special
               way
               doth
               our
               Author
               proceed
               from
               the
               beginning
               to
               the
               end
               of
               his
               Letter
               .
               He
               leaves
               it
               to
               his
               Seeker
               to
               
                 pass
                 sentence
                 upon
                 what
                 has
                 been
                 said
                 by
                 either
              
               party
               ,
               
                 Pag.
                 1.
                 
                 Whether
              
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 this
                 hath
                 any
                 reference
                 ,
                 be
                 you
                 the
                 Judg.
                 Pag.
              
               7
               ,
               13.
               
               He
               desires
               him
               
                 to
                 consult
                 the
                 words
                 ,
                 and
                 see
                 whether
                 those
                 Texts
                 do
                 imply
                 ,
                 &c.
                 
              
               Pag.
               8.
               
               
                 Seriously
                 to
                 distinguish
                 and
                 peruse
                 the
                 Texts
                 ,
                 Pag.
              
               33.
               
               So
               that
               it
               seems
               this
               
                 special
                 Assertion
              
               ought
               to
               be
               one
               of
               his
               own
               ,
               who
               teaches
               his
               Seeker
               so
               far
               ,
               after
               the
               same
               way
               
                 as
                 mean
                 Capacities
                 are
                 taught
                 by
                 the
                 Church
                 at
                 St.
              
               Martin
               
                 '
                 s.
              
               
            
             
             
               To
               come
               to
               a
               close
               of
               this
               Argument
               ;
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               the
               better
               to
               represent
               his
               Adversaries
               weakness
               in
               decrying
               
                 Figures
                 and
                 Parables
              
               ,
               shewed
               him
               how
               this
               Discourse
               of
               our
               Saviour
               so
               abounded
               in
               them
               ,
               that
               there
               were
               no
               less
               than
               twenty
               expressions
               of
               that
               kind
               in
               it
               ;
               and
               accordingly
               drew
               out
               several
               of
               them
               for
               our
               Author
               to
               try
               his
               skill
               upon
               ,
               and
               to
               resolve
               them
               
                 without
                 a
                 Figure
              
               ,
               Pag.
               8.
               
               First
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 Let
                 the
                 Catholick
                 Answerer
                 tell
                 me
                 without
                 a
                 Figure
                 ,
                 what
                 is
                 that
                 meat
                 which
                 endures
                 to
                 Everlasting
                 Life
                 ?
              
               Here
               our
               Author
               labours
               hard
               to
               prove
               that
               the
               meat
               in
               v.
               27.
               is
               the
               Bread
               and
               Flesh
               ,
               v.
               51.
               and
               concludes
               ,
               which
               Flesh
               ,
               
                 without
                 a
                 Figure
                 ,
                 I
                 humbly
                 conceive
                 is
                 that
                 meat
                 which
                 endureth
                 unto
                 Everlasting
                 Life
                 .
              
               But
               I
               as
               humbly
               conceive
               he
               has
               not
               reach'd
               the
               point
               ;
               for
               granting
               the
               Meat
               ,
               the
               Bread
               ,
               and
               the
               Flesh
               to
               be
               one
               and
               the
               same
               ,
               yet
               how
               is
               the
               Flesh
               of
               Christ
               Bread
               and
               Meat
               without
               a
               Metaphor
               ,
               when
               it
               's
               only
               spiritually
               and
               not
               Corporally
               Eaten
               ,
               as
               he
               saith
               ,
               and
               when
               neither
               capable
               of
               digestion
               ,
               nor
               we
               of
               nourishment
               by
               it
               ?
               Again
               ,
               if
               this
               be
               Eaten
               only
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               how
               can
               it
               under
               the
               Form
               of
               Bread
               endure
               to
               Everlasting
               Life
               ,
               or
               how
               can
               it
               be
               Meat
               that
               thus
               endures
               ,
               when
               it
               is
               not
               to
               be
               Eaten
               in
               Heaven
               ,
               and
               all
               Sacraments
               and
               Institutions
               cease
               ?
            
             
               
                 The
                 other
                 Questions
                 were
              
               .
               How
               the
               Son
               was
               sealed
               by
               the
               Father
               ?
               How
               Jesus
               is
               Bread
               ,
               and
               the
               Bread
               that
               came
               down
               from
               Heaven
               ?
               How
               the
               Bread
               and
               the
               Flesh
               of
               Christ
               could
               be
               the
               same
               ?
               v.
               57.
               
               And
               if
               the
               same
               ,
               how
               it
               could
               come
               from
               Heaven
               ,
               when
               he
               was
               of
               the
               Seed
               of
               David
               ,
               according
               to
               the
               Flesh
               ?
               How
               one
               of
               his
               Church
               can
               talk
               of
               a
               literal
               Sense
               of
               ,
               [
               except
               
                 ye
                 drink
                 his
                 Blood
                 ]
              
               ,
               which
               denies
               the
               Cup
               to
               the
               Laity
               ?
            
             
               
                 To
                 all
                 these
                 our
                 Author
                 returns
                 a
                 general
                 Answer
                 ,
              
               As
               to
               his
               ,
               How
               the
               Son
               was
               sealed
               by
               the
               Father
               ,
               and
               the
               rest
               of
               his
               How
               's
               ?
               they
               are
               such
               Jewish
               Expressions
               ,
               as
               that
               all
               Christian
               pretenders
               ought
               to
               be
               ashamed
               of
               them
               .
               So
               the
               Jews
               said
               ,
               v.
               52.
               
               How
               can
               this
               man
               give
               us
               his
               Flesh
               to
               eat
               ?
               So
               Jewish
               it
               is
               to
               question
               God
               ,
               how
               he
               could
               do
               it
               ?
               How
               this
               ?
               How
               that
               ?
               
                 And
                 so
                 he
                 runs
                 on
                 to
                 the
                 Creation
                 ,
                 and
                 Incarnation
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
               
                 I
                 am
                 a
                 little
                 at
                 a
                 loss
                 here
                 ,
                 to
                 what
                 cause
                 our
                 Authors
                 mistake
                 is
                 to
                 be
                 assign'd
                 ?
                 Surely
                 he
                 could
                 not
                 but
                 understand
                 that
                 the
              
               How
               
                 relates
                 not
                 to
                 the
                 manner
                 ,
                 How
                 these
                 things
                 be
                 ?
                 But
                 ,
                 how
                 these
                 things
                 could
                 be
                 thus
                 applied
                 to
                 our
                 Saviour
                 without
                 a
                 Figure
                 ?
                 I
                 am
                 afraid
                 that
                 he
                 saw
                 the
                 difficulty
                 ,
                 and
                 so
                 slipt
                 away
                 from
                 it
                 ;
                 for
                 else
                 ,
                 why
                 should
                 he
                 answer
                 
                 directly
                 to
                 the
                 first
                 Query
                 ,
                 which
                 would
                 more
                 plausibly
                 bear
                 it
                 ;
                 and
                 indirectly
                 and
                 fraudulently
                 to
                 the
                 rest
                 ?
                 And
                 yet
                 ,
                 as
                 if
                 he
                 had
                 to
                 a
                 Demonstration
                 proved
                 what
                 he
                 had
                 undertaken
                 ,
                 and
                 effectually
                 confuted
                 his
                 Adversary
                 ,
                 he
                 will
                 still
                 have
                 the
                 words
                 express
                 and
                 plain
                 ,
                 without
                 a
                 Figure
                 .
                 For
                 thus
                 he
                 concludes
                 ,
                 p.
                 11.
                 
                 If
              
               these
               express
               and
               plain
               words
               of
               Christ
               be
               a
               Figure
               ,
               where
               he
               says
               as
               plain
               ,
               as
               plain
               can
               be
               ,
               that
               
                 he
                 would
                 give
                 us
                 Bread
                 to
                 eat
                 ,
                 which
                 should
                 be
                 his
                 Flesh
                 ,
                 [
                 but
                 which
                 I
                 have
                 shewed
                 before
                 ,
                 he
                 did
                 not
                 say
                 .
                 ]
              
               I
               say
               ,
               if
               these
               words
               are
               Figurative
               ,
               and
               must
               not
               be
               properly
               understood
               ,
               I
               see
               no
               Reasen
               ,
               why
               the
               whole
               Bible
               should
               not
               be
               a
               Figure
               too
               .
               For
               if
               ever
               Christ
               was
               plain
               in
               any
               thing
               ,
               't
               was
               in
               this
               ;
               especially
               in
               a
               Point
               ,
               wherein
               there
               was
               never
               more
               occasion
               to
               expound
               ,
               if
               a
               Figure
               ,
               than
               when
               the
               Jews
               (
               to
               whom
               he
               came
               )
               murmured
               and
               said
               ,
               How
               can
               this
               man
               give
               us
               his
               Flesh
               to
               eat
               ?
               And
               when
               some
               of
               the
               Disciples
               said
               it
               was
               an
               hard
               saying
               ,
               and
               thereupon
               walked
               no
               more
               with
               him
               .
               He
               that
               ,
               in
               cases
               of
               less
               moment
               always
               explain'd
               his
               Parables
               ,
               should
               yet
               be
               Dark
               and
               Figurative
               in
               this
               of
               that
               Importance
               ,
               and
               which
               he
               well
               foresaw
               ,
               occasions
               our
               differences
               at
               this
               day
               ;
               it
               would
               be
               contrary
               to
               his
               Wisdom
               and
               Goodness
               .
               But
               so
               far
               was
               Christ
               from
               this
               ,
               that
               he
               confirms
               it
               ,
               v.
               53.
               
               With
               a
               verily
               ,
               verily
               ,
               except
               ye
               eat
               the
               Flesh
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             
               I
               have
               transcribed
               this
               the
               more
               at
               large
               ,
               because
               it
               contains
               some
               things
               very
               peculiar
               ,
               and
               is
               indeed
               the
               utmost
               force
               of
               what
               he
               hath
               for
               his
               Defence
               .
            
             
               I
               Answer
               to
               this
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               In
               General
               ,
               it
               's
               manifest
               ,
               That
               our
               Saviour
               is
               not
               literally
               plain
               ;
               since
               it
               's
               acknowledg'd
               that
               his
               Discourse
               is
               Figurative
               ,
               from
               ver
               .
               32.
               to
               ver
               .
               51.
               
               And
               is
               it
               not
               strange
               ,
               that
               when
               he
               had
               so
               long
               discours'd
               after
               that
               manner
               ,
               that
               yet
               in
               one
               verse
               ,
               he
               should
               mean
               literally
               ,
               and
               which
               if
               literally
               understood
               ,
               would
               be
               so
               manifest
               a
               Contradiction
               to
               the
               Sense
               and
               Reason
               of
               Mankind
               ,
               that
               if
               he
               had
               literally
               said
               he
               was
               Bread
               ,
               he
               could
               not
               have
               more
               astonished
               them
               ,
               than
               when
               he
               said
               ,
               
                 except
                 ye
                 eat
                 the
                 Flesh
                 of
                 the
                 Son
                 of
                 Man
                 ,
              
               &c.
               if
               properly
               and
               literally
               to
               be
               understood
               .
            
             
               2.
               
               Whereas
               he
               saith
               our
               Saviour
               always
               explain'd
               his
               Parables
               ;
               that
               is
               too
               largely
               spoken
               .
               For
               even
               those
               ,
               which
               he
               chuses
               out
               of
               Mark
               3.
               10
               ,
               13
               ,
               31
               ,
               were
               not
               expounded
               to
               the
               Multitude
               ;
               and
               if
               his
               Argument
               signify
               any
               thing
               ,
               must
               therefore
               be
               
               properly
               understood
               by
               them
               .
               But
               why
               did
               not
               he
               propound
               the
               case
               in
               Dispute
               ,
               and
               give
               us
               a
               like
               instance
               in
               figurative
               and
               metaphorical
               Expressions
               ;
               Such
               as
               our
               Saviour
               uses
               in
               this
               Chapter
               ?
               For
               ,
               are
               
                 Sealing
                 ,
                 Hungring
              
               ,
               &c.
               to
               be
               understood
               properly
               ,
               because
               it
               's
               not
               said
               ,
               that
               they
               are
               to
               be
               understood
               Figuratively
               ▪
               Nay
               ,
               are
               eating
               his
               Flesh
               ,
               and
               drinking
               his
               Blood
               ,
               to
               be
               understood
               properly
               ?
               Then
               certainly
               ,
               the
               Capernaits
               were
               in
               the
               right
               ,
               that
               thought
               our
               Saviour
               spoke
               of
               carnal
               Eating
               ,
               which
               yet
               our
               Author
               will
               not
               allow
               .
            
             
               3.
               
               
                 He
                 saith
              
               ,
               There
               was
               never
               more
               occasion
               to
               expound
               ,
               if
               a
               Figure
               ,
               than
               when
               the
               Jews
               murmured
               ,
               and
               some
               of
               his
               Disciples
               went
               away
               ;
               and
               what
               he
               saw
               ,
               occasions
               our
               Differences
               .
            
             
               (
               1.
               )
               As
               for
               the
               murmuring
               of
               the
               Jews
               ,
               there
               was
               no
               such
               occasion
               for
               our
               Saviour's
               expounding
               it
               ;
               For
               thus
               also
               they
               murmured
               ,
               because
               that
               Christ
               said
               ,
               
                 I
                 am
                 the
                 Bread
                 that
                 came
                 down
                 from
                 Heaven
                 ,
              
               v.
               41.
               
               And
               yet
               ,
               tho
               he
               took
               notice
               of
               it
               ,
               ver
               .
               43.
               he
               thought
               not
               himself
               concerned
               to
               explain
               his
               meaning
               ,
               where
               there
               might
               be
               more
               reason
               for
               their
               mistake
               ,
               than
               there
               could
               be
               in
               this
               .
               Indeed
               our
               Saviour
               look'd
               upon
               them
               as
               an
               obstinate
               and
               intractable
               sort
               of
               People
               ,
               and
               so
               did
               purposely
               conceal
               himself
               often
               ,
               as
               was
               observed
               before
               ,
               Mark
               13.
               
               And
               this
               we
               are
               not
               without
               some
               light
               in
               ,
               in
               the
               case
               before
               us
               .
               For
               this
               Discourse
               of
               his
               ,
               was
               in
               the
               Synagogue
               ,
               v.
               59.
               and
               they
               were
               the
               same
               People
               that
               before
               were
               offended
               and
               cavilled
               ,
               ver
               .
               41
               ,
               52.
               
               And
               therefore
               our
               Saviour
               left
               them
               in
               the
               Dark
               ,
               tho
               afterwards
               ,
               when
               his
               Disciples
               murmured
               ,
               v.
               60
               ,
               61
               ,
               63.
               he
               tells
               them
               ,
               it
               was
               spiritually
               to
               be
               understood
               .
            
             
               (
               2.
               )
               As
               for
               those
               Disciples
               ,
               it
               doth
               not
               appear
               ,
               that
               they
               
                 walked
                 no
                 more
                 with
                 him
              
               ,
               because
               they
               were
               offended
               at
               his
               saying
               ,
               (
               for
               that
               he
               explain'd
               it
               to
               them
               )
               but
               because
               he
               gave
               an
               Intimation
               that
               he
               discovered
               their
               insincerity
               ,
               
                 v.
                 64.
                 
                 There
                 are
                 some
                 of
                 you
                 that
                 believe
                 not
              
               ;
               and
               it
               follows
               ,
               
                 From
                 that
                 time
                 many
                 of
                 his
                 Disciples
                 went
                 back
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
            
             
               (
               3.
               )
               Neither
               was
               there
               any
               such
               occasion
               for
               our
               Saviour's
               expounding
               himself
               
                 from
                 our
                 differences
              
               ;
               If
               he
               had
               meant
               it
               properly
               ,
               I
               grant
               
                 there
                 could
                 never
                 be
                 more
                 occasion
                 ,
              
               because
               it
               's
               a
               Doctrine
               so
               contrary
               to
               the
               Sense
               and
               Reason
               of
               Mankind
               ;
               but
               when
               it
               's
               not
               so
               explain'd
               ,
               the
               Sense
               and
               Reason
               of
               Mankind
               may
               be
               thought
               a
               sufficient
               Security
               against
               mistake
               .
               And
               there
               might
               
               be
               as
               much
               reason
               for
               our
               Saviour
               to
               expound
               himself
               ,
               when
               he
               saith
               ,
               he
               is
               Bread
               ,
               a
               Door
               ,
               a
               Vine
               ,
               a
               Rock
               .
            
             
               But
               all
               this
               while
               ,
               our
               Author
               supposes
               our
               Saviour
               not
               to
               have
               explain'd
               himself
               .
               I
               grant
               it
               ,
               he
               did
               not
               do
               it
               on
               their
               side
               ;
               but
               I
               think
               he
               has
               done
               it
               to
               all
               attentive
               and
               unprejudiced
               minds
               ;
               if
               they
               will
               either
               consult
               the
               foregoing
               part
               of
               this
               discourse
               ,
               where
               he
               speaks
               of
               himself
               ,
               under
               the
               Allusions
               of
               Bread
               and
               
                 Flesh
                 ,
                 v.
              
               33
               ,
               35
               ,
               48
               ,
               51.
               and
               of
               believing
               in
               him
               under
               the
               the
               Metaphors
               of
               Coming
               and
               
                 Eating
                 ,
                 v.
                 35
                 ,
                 36
                 ,
                 47
                 ,
                 51
                 ,
                 60
                 ,
              
               61
               ,
               62.
               or
               if
               they
               consult
               the
               Conclusion
               ,
               v.
               63.
               where
               he
               tells
               his
               offended
               Disciples
               ,
               
                 It
                 's
                 the
                 Spirit
                 that
                 quickneth
              
               ,
               &c.
               
               As
               if
               he
               had
               said
               ,
               The
               eating
               my
               Flesh
               ,
               and
               drinking
               my
               Blood
               ,
               which
               I
               propound
               to
               you
               ,
               is
               not
               as
               those
               cavilling
               Jews
               did
               misconstrue
               it
               ;
               and
               as
               you
               ,
               I
               perceive
               ,
               mistake
               ;
               for
               in
               that
               Flesh
               ,
               I
               am
               to
               ascend
               into
               Heaven
               ;
               but
               it
               's
               the
               heeding
               and
               obeying
               my
               Precepts
               ,
               the
               receiving
               my
               Doctrine
               ,
               and
               believing
               in
               me
               as
               your
               Redeemer
               ,
               that
               I
               require
               ,
               and
               you
               are
               to
               regard
               .
               And
               indeed
               ,
               thus
               St.
               Peter
               understood
               him
               ,
               who
               concludes
               almost
               in
               the
               same
               words
               ,
               
                 Lord
                 ,
                 to
                 whom
                 shall
                 we
                 go
                 ?
                 Thou
                 hast
                 the
                 words
                 of
                 Eternal
                 Life
                 .
                 And
                 we
                 believe
                 ,
              
               &c.
               v.
               68
               ,
               69.
               
            
             
               4.
               
               He
               saith
               ,
               That
               
                 Christ
                 was
                 so
                 far
                 from
                 meaning
                 otherwise
                 than
                 plainly
                 ,
                 as
                 he
                 spake
                 ,
                 that
                 to
                 the
                 murmuring
                 Jews
                 he
                 confirms
                 it
                 ,
              
               v.
               53.
               
                 with
                 a
                 Verily
                 ,
                 verily
                 ,
                 I
                 say
                 unto
                 you
                 ,
                 Except
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
               
                 Whereas
                 in
                 Parables
                 be
                 explained
                 himself
                 to
                 them
                 .
              
               That
               is
               ,
               our
               Saviour
               meant
               plainly
               ,
               because
               he
               did
               not
               explain
               himself
               .
               But
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 he
                 confirmed
                 it
              
               .
               What
               did
               he
               confirm
               ?
               Did
               he
               confirm
               the
               Literal
               sense
               ?
               That
               he
               did
               not
               before
               give
               ,
               and
               so
               could
               not
               confirm
               .
               Or
               doth
               the
               Repetition
               of
               it
               without
               Explication
               shew
               it
               to
               be
               the
               Literal
               sense
               ?
               That
               he
               contends
               for
               .
               But
               then
               by
               parity
               of
               reason
               our
               Saviour
               meant
               properly
               ,
               when
               he
               said
               ,
               
                 I
                 am
                 the
                 Door
              
               .
               For
               it
               's
               there
               said
               in
               confirmation
               of
               what
               was
               before
               :
               
                 Verily
                 ,
                 verily
                 ,
                 I
                 say
                 unto
                 you
                 ,
                 I
                 am
                 the
                 Door
                 ,
              
               Joh.
               10.
               1
               ,
               7.
               
               But
               why
               did
               our
               Saviour
               repeat
               it
               ?
               Without
               doubt
               to
               shew
               that
               he
               spoke
               it
               not
               inconsiderately
               ;
               and
               if
               I
               add
               ,
               to
               explain
               what
               he
               before
               said
               ,
               it
               's
               not
               without
               somewhat
               in
               the
               Text
               to
               countenance
               it
               .
               For
               before
               he
               spoke
               of
               himself
               under
               the
               notion
               of
               Flesh
               ,
               v.
               51
               ,
               52.
               but
               then
               of
               Flesh
               and
               Blood
               ,
               to
               intimate
               both
               the
               violence
               and
               manner
               of
               his
               Death
               ;
               which
               he
               did
               usually
               speak
               with
               more
               caution
               and
               reserve
               about
               .
            
             
             
               If
               we
               reflect
               upon
               what
               has
               been
               said
               ,
               we
               see
               how
               unwarily
               (
               I
               am
               loth
               to
               add
               more
               )
               our
               Author
               delivers
               himself
               ,
               when
               he
               saith
               ,
               
                 If
                 these
                 words
                 are
                 Figurative
                 ,
                 I
                 see
                 no
                 reason
                 why
                 the
                 whole
                 Bible
                 should
                 not
                 be
                 a
                 Figure
                 too
                 .
              
               And
               
                 if
                 ever
                 Christ
                 was
                 plain
                 in
                 any
                 thing
                 ,
                 it
                 was
                 in
                 this
                 .
              
               And
               ,
               which
               I
               cannot
               recite
               without
               some
               indignation
               ;
               
                 Should
                 he
                 explain
                 himself
                 in
                 matters
                 of
                 less
                 weight
                 ,
                 and
                 yet
                 be
                 dark
                 in
                 this
                 great
                 concern
                 ,
                 is
                 what
                 would
                 be
                 contrary
                 to
                 his
                 wisdom
                 and
                 goodness
                 ,
              
               p.
               10
               ,
               11.
               
               So
               that
               there
               shall
               be
               no
               sense
               or
               perspicuity
               in
               Scripture
               ,
               nor
               wisdom
               and
               goodness
               in
               our
               Saviour
               ,
               if
               their
               Doctrine
               be
               not
               his
               ,
               and
               he
               be
               not
               of
               the
               same
               mind
               with
               them
               .
            
             
               Indeed
               after
               all
               our
               Author's
               confidence
               in
               this
               matter
               ,
               and
               his
               questioning
               all
               things
               ,
               if
               this
               be
               questioned
               :
               he
               determines
               that
               which
               the
               greatest
               Authority
               in
               his
               Church
               ,
               the
               Council
               of
               Trent
               ,
               would
               not
               determine
               .
               For
               when
               it
               had
               been
               sharply
               debated
               for
               and
               against
               these
               words
               being
               understood
               of
               the
               Eucharist
               ,
               it
               was
               at
               last
               agreed
               for
               the
               satisfaction
               of
               both
               sides
               ,
               neither
               to
               affirm
               nor
               deny
               it
               ,
               and
               to
               yield
               to
               those
               that
               deni'd
               it
               ,
               that
               they
               had
               Fathers
               and
               Doctors
               on
               their
               side
               .
               And
               thus
               the
               Council
               concludes
               ;
               
                 However
                 that
                 Discourse
              
               (
               of
               our
               Saviour's
               ,
               
                 Joh.
                 6.
                 )
                 be
                 understood
                 according
                 to
                 the
                 divers
                 Interpretations
                 of
                 the
                 Holy
                 Fathers
                 and
                 Doctors
                 ,
              
               Sess
               21.
               c.
               1.
               
            
             
               
                 Here
                 our
                 Author
                 takes
                 a
                 great
                 leap
                 from
              
               Pag.
               9.
               
                 of
                 the
              
               Answer
               ,
               to
               Pag.
               22.
               
                 but
                 because
                 it
                 's
                 not
                 amiss
                 ,
                 I
                 shall
                 follow
                 him
                 :
                 The
              
               Protestant
               Answerer
               
                 put
                 it
                 to
                 them
              
               to
               give
               as
               plain
               Letter
               of
               Scripture
               to
               prove
               Christ
               was
               neither
               a
               Door
               ,
               Rock
               ,
               nor
               Vine
               ,
               as
               he
               could
               that
               he
               was
               all
               Three
               :
               Or
               that
               all
               Christians
               are
               not
               turn'd
               into
               Christ's
               Natural
               Body
               ,
               when
               it
               's
               said
               Ephes.
               5.
               20.
               
               We
               are
               members
               of
               his
               Body
               .
               
                 This
                 he
                 did
                 to
                 shew
                 that
                 the
                 Phrases
                 ,
              
               Eating
               the
               Flesh
               ,
               and
               ,
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               ,
               
                 were
                 not
                 of
                 themselves
                 sufficient
                 to
                 enforce
                 us
                 to
                 take
                 them
                 in
                 a
                 proper
                 sense
                 ;
                 since
                 it
                 's
                 no
                 more
                 plainly
                 said
                 ,
              
               Except
               ye
               eat
               the
               Flesh
               ,
               
                 &c.
                 and
              
               ,
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               ;
               
                 than
                 it
                 's
                 said
              
               ,
               I
               am
               the
               Door
               ,
               The
               Vine
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             
               Now
               what
               course
               doth
               our
               Author
               take
               to
               assoil
               this
               ?
               
                 Let
                 's
                 see
              
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 whether
                 the
                 parity
                 'twixt
                 I
                 am
                 the
                 Door
                 ,
                 The
                 Vine
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
                 be
                 the
                 same
                 with
                 ,
                 The
                 Bread
                 is
                 my
                 Flesh
                 ,
                 and
                 ,
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
                 ,
                 without
                 ever
                 explaining
                 a
                 Syllable
                 to
                 the
                 contrary
                 .
              
               Here
               he
               is
               a
               little
               too
               forward
               .
               For
               he
               is
               to
               remember
               that
               the
               thing
               requir'd
               is
               to
               give
               as
               
                 plain
                 Scripture
                 to
                 prove
                 that
                 Christ
                 was
                 neither
                 a
                 Door
                 ,
                 nor
                 Vine
                 ,
              
               &c.
               as
               there
               is
               for
               it
               .
               He
               knows
               who
               said
               it
               ,
               
                 I
                 will
                 prove
                 the
                 
                 Catholick
                 Doctrine
                 of
                 the
                 Real
                 Presence
                 ,
                 and
                 I
                 defie
                 the
                 world
                 to
                 prove
                 the
                 contrary
                 .
              
               Cath.
               Answ.
               to
               the
               Seeker
               ,
               Pag.
               1.
               and
               that
               declares
               again
               ,
               
                 It
                 's
                 impossible
                 to
                 bring
                 one
                 Text
                 out
                 of
                 the
                 whole
                 Bible
                 to
                 prove
                 that
                 the
                 Body
                 and
                 Blood
                 of
                 Christ
                 is
                 not
                 in
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 ,
              
               Cath.
               Letter
               ,
               
                 Pag.
                 24.
              
               
               If
               now
               he
               so
               expects
               ,
               then
               it
               may
               be
               so
               expected
               from
               him
               ,
               that
               he
               should
               prove
               the
               Negative
               ,
               and
               that
               by
               as
               plain
               a
               Text
               he
               should
               shew
               Christ
               is
               not
               a
               Door
               or
               Vine
               ,
               as
               we
               can
               shew
               that
               he
               is
               .
               I
               must
               confess
               I
               put
               him
               upon
               a
               Ridiculous
               Task
               ,
               but
               who
               can
               help
               it
               ,
               it
               's
               in
               his
               own
               way
               .
               But
               to
               leave
               this
               trifling
               ,
               let
               us
               return
               to
               see
               his
               parity
               ;
               though
               I
               doubt
               we
               shan't
               much
               better
               our selves
               .
               As
               for
               the
               Door
               ,
               he
               saith
               ,
               
                 The
                 Text
                 tells
                 us
                 it
                 was
                 a
                 Parable
                 ,
              
               Joh.
               10.
               6.
               
               
                 This
                 Parable
                 spake
                 Jesus
                 .
                 Wherefore
                 if
                 the
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
                 would
                 be
                 so
                 kind
                 ,
                 as
                 to
                 produce
                 plain
                 Scripture
                 for
                 this
                 of
                 the
                 Sacrament's
                 being
                 a
                 Figure
                 ,
                 as
                 I
                 have
                 done
                 for
                 the
                 Door
                 's
                 being
                 a
                 Parable
                 ,
                 he
                 'l
                 certainly
                 gain
                 a
                 Proselyte
                 of
                 me
                 .
              
               As
               for
               gaining
               him
               a
               Proselyte
               by
               plain
               Scripture
               ,
               I
               have
               reason
               to
               despair
               ,
               who
               declares
               beforehand
               that
               
                 though
                 the
                 Scripture
                 were
                 never
                 so
                 plain
                 ,
                 he
                 would
                 yet
                 submit
                 to
                 thi
                 Determination
                 of
                 the
                 Church
                 ,
              
               Pag.
               4.
               
               But
               where
               is
               this
               
                 plain
                 Scripture
                 for
                 the
                 Door
                 's
                 being
                 a
                 Parable
                 ?
              
               He
               points
               to
               the
               verse
               .
               But
               what
               was
               the
               Parable
               he
               spoke
               ?
               It
               's
               in
               the
               Verses
               foregoing
               about
               a
               Door
               ,
               I
               grant
               ;
               But
               not
               of
               Christ's
               being
               the
               Door
               ;
               for
               that
               follows
               after
               ,
               
                 Ver.
                 7.
                 
                 Then
                 said
                 Jesus
                 unto
                 them
                 again
                 ,
                 Verily
                 ,
                 verily
                 ,
                 I
                 am
                 the
                 Door
                 .
              
               So
               that
               if
               he
               keeps
               to
               his
               own
               way
               
                 without
                 explaining
                 a
                 Syllable
              
               ,
               he
               is
               where
               he
               was
               ,
               and
               Christ
               may
               be
               as
               properly
               a
               door
               ,
               as
               we
               may
               properly
               Eat
               the
               Flesh
               of
               Christ.
               
            
             
               He
               goes
               on
               :
               
                 In
                 like
                 manner
                 of
                 the
                 Vine
                 ,
                 Christ
                 saith
                 ,
              
               Joh.
               15.
               1.
               
               
                 I
                 am
                 the
                 true
                 Vine
                 ,
                 and
                 my
                 Father
                 is
                 the
                 Husbandman
                 ,
                 as
              
               Mat.
               20.
               1.
               
                 when
                 he
                 likened
                 the
                 Kingdom
                 of
                 Heaven
                 to
                 an
                 Housholder
                 ;
                 and
                 so
                 goes
                 on
                 explaining
                 the
                 same
                 ,
              
               ver
               .
               4.
               
               
                 As
                 the
                 Branch
                 cannot
              
               ,
               &c.
               
               
                 Which
                 if
                 you
                 read
                 the
                 Chapter
                 ,
                 you
                 'l
                 find
                 to
                 be
                 more
                 plain
                 .
              
               I
               perceive
               he
               is
               very
               serious
               ,
               and
               I
               am
               of
               his
               mind
               ,
               if
               the
               Seeker
               read
               on
               ,
               he
               would
               find
               it
               plain
               ,
               that
               Christ
               is
               not
               properly
               a
               Vine
               ,
               and
               so
               say
               I
               ,
               if
               he
               reads
               Joh.
               6.
               he
               would
               find
               it
               as
               plain
               ,
               that
               Eating
               the
               Flesh
               of
               Christ
               is
               not
               properly
               to
               be
               understood
               .
               But
               if
               words
               will
               oblige
               us
               without
               attending
               the
               sense
               ,
               and
               we
               must
               take
               them
               as
               we
               find
               them
               
                 without
                 explaining
                 a
                 Syllable
              
               ,
               then
               I
               say
               still
               it
               's
               as
               plainly
               said
               ,
               
                 I
                 am
                 the
                 true
                 Vine
                 ,
                 as
                 my
                 Flesh
                 is
                 meat
                 indeed
              
               ;
               and
               according
               to
               our
               Author's
               way
               of
               Exposition
               ,
               this
               can
               be
               no
               Parable
               .
               For
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 you
                 'l
                 find
                 in
                 all
                 cases
                 Christ
                 spake
                 not
                 by
                 Parables
                 
                 without
                 telling
                 them
                 it
                 was
                 so
                 ,
              
               Pag.
               12.
               
               But
               here
               it
               's
               not
               so
               said
               ;
               for
               as
               before
               ,
               so
               after
               the
               words
               ,
               
                 v.
                 4.
                 
                 As
                 the
                 Branch
                 ,
              
               &c.
               he
               saith
               ,
               
                 v.
                 5.
                 
                 I
                 am
                 the
                 Vine
                 .
              
            
             
               He
               goes
               on
               :
               
                 In
                 like
                 manner
                 of
                 the
                 Rcck
                 ,
                 That
                 he
                 was
                 the
                 Corner-stone
                 ,
                 upon
                 which
                 the
                 Foundation
                 was
                 laid
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
               But
               how
               doth
               he
               prove
               Christ
               was
               not
               properly
               a
               Rock
               according
               to
               his
               own
               way
               ?
               Because
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               he
               is
               a
               Corner-stone
               ,
               and
               a
               Foundation
               ,
               which
               is
               just
               as
               if
               he
               had
               been
               asked
               ,
               how
               he
               would
               prove
               ,
               
                 without
                 explaining
                 a
                 Syllable
              
               ,
               Christ
               is
               not
               properly
               a
               Corner-stone
               ,
               or
               a
               Foundation
               ;
               and
               he
               should
               say
               ,
               because
               he
               is
               a
               Rock
               .
               But
               what
               saith
               he
               to
               the
               last
               Instance
               ,
               to
               
                 prove
                 as
                 plainly
                 ,
                 Christians
                 are
                 not
                 turned
                 into
                 Christ's
                 Natural
                 Body
                 ,
                 when
                 it
                 's
                 said
                 we
                 are
                 members
                 of
                 his
                 Body
                 ,
              
               Ephes.
               5.
               20
               ?
               To
               this
               an
               Answer
               is
               to
               be
               expected
               .
            
             
               Well
               ,
               after
               all
               his
               windings
               and
               turnings
               ,
               his
               Parities
               ,
               and
               
                 without
                 explainings
              
               ,
               and
               his
               reading
               ,
               and
               his
               in
               
                 like
                 manners
              
               ,
               and
               his
               Rules
               for
               understanding
               Parables
               ,
               the
               words
               are
               as
               plain
               and
               express
               that
               Christ
               is
               a
               Door
               ,
               a
               Vine
               ,
               a
               Rock
               ,
               and
               we
               are
               
                 members
                 of
                 Christ's
                 Body
              
               ,
               as
               they
               are
               that
               we
               
                 Eat
                 the
                 Flesh
                 of
                 Christ
              
               ;
               and
               if
               one
               be
               properly
               to
               be
               understood
               ,
               there
               is
               as
               much
               reason
               from
               the
               meer
               words
               for
               the
               like
               understanding
               the
               other
               .
            
             
               After
               this
               Digression
               ,
               our
               Author
               undertakes
               the
               last
               Argument
               of
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               ,
               viz.
               
            
             
               Arg.
               3.
               
               Here
               is
               nothing
               of
               the
               Conversion
               of
               the
               Bread
               into
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               ;
               but
               rather
               the
               contrary
               ;
               for
               if
               the
               words
               are
               Literally
               to
               be
               understood
               ,
               then
               they
               would
               rather
               infer
               the
               conversion
               of
               Christ's
               Flesh
               and
               Blood
               into
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               ,
               when
               he
               saith
               ,
               
                 I
                 am
                 the
                 Bread
                 of
                 Life
                 ,
              
               v.
               5.
               
               
                 My
                 Flesh
                 is
                 meat
              
               (
               or
               Bread
               )
               indeed
               .
            
             
               As
               to
               the
               first
               ,
               which
               is
               the
               conversion
               of
               the
               Bread
               into
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               ,
               and
               the
               chief
               thing
               proposed
               to
               him
               ,
               he
               hath
               silently
               past
               it
               over
               ;
               perhaps
               he
               saw
               here
               also
               
                 no
                 necessity
                 of
                 defining
              
               or
               proving
               
                 it
                 to
                 one
                 that
                 believes
                 it
                 not
                 .
              
               But
               to
               make
               up
               this
               defect
               he
               gives
               his
               Adversary
               a
               grave
               Reprimend
               ,
               that
               
                 when
                 he
                 had
                 just
                 before
                 said
                 ,
                 that
                 these
                 words
                 had
                 no
                 special
                 Reference
                 to
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 ,
                 he
                 should
                 now
                 so
                 apply
                 them
                 ,
                 by
                 an
                 odd
                 way
                 of
                 shufflng
                 .
              
               And
               why
               did
               he
               not
               as
               sharply
               admonish
               him
               for
               offering
               to
               shew
               that
               the
               words
               might
               infer
               the
               conversion
               of
               Christ's
               
               Flesh
               into
               Bread
               ?
               For
               both
               alike
               belonged
               to
               him
               .
               Our
               Author
               it
               seems
               apprehended
               not
               all
               this
               was
               
                 Argumentum
                 ad
                 hominem
              
               .
               But
               how
               doth
               he
               clear
               the
               Point
               ,
               and
               shew
               they
               infer
               no
               such
               conversion
               ?
               First
               he
               saith
               ,
               
                 for
                 proof
                 whereof
              
               ,
               [
               That
               Christ's
               Flesh
               is
               not
               turn'd
               into
               Bread
               ]
               
                 let
                 us
                 go
                 to
                 the
                 words
                 of
                 Conversion
                 ,
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
                 .
              
               But
               ,
               methinks
               ,
               it
               would
               have
               better
               became
               him
               to
               have
               first
               proved
               the
               Conversion
               of
               the
               Bread
               into
               Flesh
               from
               these
               words
               .
               As
               for
               St.
               John
               ,
               he
               grants
               that
               had
               the
               words
               been
               ,
               
                 My
                 Flesh
                 is
                 Bread
                 indeed
              
               ,
               as
               his
               Adversary
               
                 would
                 fain
                 have
                 them
                 ,
                 then
                 he
                 would
                 have
                 something
                 on
                 his
                 side
                 .
              
               But
               if
               that
               be
               the
               sense
               of
               it
               ,
               and
               the
               words
               Bread
               and
               Meat
               are
               used
               by
               our
               Saviour
               promiscuously
               ;
               then
               it
               's
               so
               far
               acknowledged
               .
               And
               for
               that
               I
               shall
               refer
               our
               Author
               to
               v.
               26
               ,
               27.
               but
               he
               will
               not
               allow
               v.
               48.
               to
               look
               that
               way
               ,
               nor
               indeed
               will
               I.
               But
               yet
               they
               will
               as
               soon
               prove
               Christ
               turned
               into
               Bread
               ,
               as
               the
               words
               
                 the
                 Bread
                 that
                 I
                 will
                 give
                 is
                 my
                 Flesh
                 ,
              
               will
               prove
               the
               Bread
               turn'd
               into
               his
               Flesh
               ;
               which
               they
               so
               little
               do
               ,
               that
               they
               rather
               would
               imply
               the
               contrary
               ,
               if
               understood
               literally
               ,
               as
               I
               have
               shewed
               pag.
               8
            
             
               But
               he
               concludes
               ,
               
                 rather
                 than
                 differ
                 ,
                 I
                 'le
                 joyn
                 in
                 opinion
                 with
                 the
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
                 ,
                 and
                 these
                 other
                 Divines
                 ,
                 and
                 with
                 him
                 and
                 them
                 submit
                 to
                 the
                 Determination
                 of
                 the
                 Church
                 .
              
               But
               where
               is
               this
               the
               opinion
               of
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               ?
               Surely
               our
               Author
               is
               like
               him
               in
               Aristotle
               ,
               that
               where
               ever
               he
               went
               ,
               fancied
               he
               saw
               himself
               .
               But
               what
               need
               is
               there
               to
               go
               to
               the
               Church
               in
               this
               case
               ?
               For
               I
               hope
               he
               will
               think
               sense
               and
               reason
               sufficient
               to
               instruct
               men
               whether
               those
               words
               will
               prove
               that
               Christ
               was
               turned
               into
               Bread
               :
               And
               we
               think
               sense
               and
               reason
               as
               sufficient
               to
               inform
               them
               whether
               the
               words
               of
               our
               Saviour
               will
               prove
               that
               Bread
               was
               turn'd
               into
               Christ's
               Flesh.
               
            
             
               I
               now
               thought
               this
               matter
               had
               been
               at
               an
               end
               ,
               when
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               past
               from
               this
               Argument
               to
               the
               second
               Text.
               But
               our
               Author
               has
               not
               yet
               done
               with
               him
               .
               For
               he
               tells
               us
               ,
               
                 
                   There
                   is
                   one
                   Argument
                   yet
                   ,
                   on
                   which
                   the
                   Gentleman
                   seems
                   much
                   to
                   depend
                
                 
                   (
                   pag.
                   9.
                   )
                
              
               
                 When
                 he
                 says
              
               ,
               
                 
                   Since
                   if
                   Christ
                   be
                   not
                   ,
                   but
                   where
                   he
                   intirely
                   is
                   ,
                   then
                   (
                   says
                   he
                   )
                   he
                   must
                   be
                   eaten
                   intirely
                   ,
                   &c.
                   
                   From
                   whence
                   he
                   concludes
                   the
                   not
                   being
                   of
                   Christ's
                   Body
                   in
                   the
                   Sacrament
                   ,
                   because
                   (
                   as
                   he
                   conceives
                   )
                   he
                   is
                   not
                   there
                   intire
                   ,
                   for
                   reasons
                   (
                   not
                   Scripture
                   )
                   of
                   his
                   own
                   ,
                
                 
                   p.
                   14.
                   
                
              
               Bless
               me
               !
               thought
               I
               ,
               where
               am
               I
               now
               ?
               in
               the
               land
               of
               Oberon
               ?
               What
               shall
               I
               say
               ?
               he
               quotes
               pag.
               9.
               
               I
               hastily
               turn'd
               thither
               ,
               and
               there
               I
               was
               satisfied
               my
               memory
               had
               not
               yet
               forsaken
               
               me
               .
               The
               case
               is
               thus
               ,
               the
               Answerer
               ,
               as
               is
               before
               observed
               ,
               to
               shew
               the
               absurdity
               of
               our
               Author's
               appealing
               to
               the
               mere
               Letter
               ,
               put
               several
               Queries
               to
               him
               out
               of
               this
               Chapter
               ,
               which
               he
               desired
               him
               to
               resolve
               in
               his
               own
               way
               ,
               
                 without
                 going
                 to
                 Figures
              
               .
               The
               last
               of
               which
               was
               this
               ,
               
                 how
                 he
                 can
                 literally
                 interpret
              
               ,
               ver
               .
               57.
               
               
                 [
                 He
                 that
                 eateth
                 me
                 ]
                 that
                 holds
                 
                   in
                   the
                   Eucharist
                   is
                   contained
                   the
                   true
                   Body
                   and
                   Blood
                   ,
                   together
                   with
                   the
                   Soul
                   and
                   Divinity
                   of
                   our
                   Lord
                   Jesus
                   Christ.
                   
                
                 —
                 Since
                 if
                 Christ
                 be
                 not
                 but
                 where
                 he
                 intirely
                 is
                 ,
                 then
                 he
                 must
                 be
                 eaten
                 intirely
                 .
              
               This
               question
               amongst
               others
               was
               there
               drop'd
               by
               our
               Author
               ;
               and
               the
               reason
               is
               apparent
               ,
               for
               he
               must
               either
               have
               acknowledged
               that
               the
               words
               
                 He
                 that
                 eateth
                 me
              
               ,
               must
               be
               understood
               Figuratively
               and
               Spiritually
               ,
               and
               not
               Corporally
               :
               Or
               else
               that
               the
               Soul
               and
               Divinity
               of
               Christ
               must
               be
               Eaten
               with
               his
               Body
               :
               Or
               that
               the
               Soul
               and
               Divinity
               of
               Christ
               are
               not
               in
               the
               Eucharist
               with
               his
               Body
               .
               The
               case
               ,
               I
               confess
               ,
               is
               hard
               to
               one
               that
               has
               somewhat
               else
               to
               respect
               than
               truth
               ;
               and
               therefore
               it
               became
               him
               to
               be
               silent
               .
               But
               why
               he
               should
               now
               bring
               it
               on
               the
               Stage
               under
               another
               guise
               ,
               I
               can't
               imagin
               ,
               when
               thus
               to
               resume
               it
               ,
               and
               pervert
               it
               ,
               must
               as
               much
               expose
               his
               insincerity
               as
               the
               omission
               of
               it
               before
               ,
               did
               his
               inability
               to
               answer
               it
               .
               The
               Reader
               will
               see
               that
               the
               Argument
               and
               the
               conclusion
               are
               none
               of
               the
               
               Answerer's
               ;
               for
               that
               Proposition
               ,
               
                 where
                 ever
                 Christ
                 is
                 ,
                 there
                 he
                 intirely
                 is
                 ,
              
               is
               a
               principle
               of
               our
               Author's
               ,
               and
               which
               is
               there
               made
               use
               of
               against
               him
               that
               profess'd
               to
               
                 believe
                 with
                 the
                 same
                 Faith
                 he
                 believes
                 a
                 God
                 ,
                 that
                 in
                 the
                 Eucharist
                 is
                 truly
                 and
                 substantially
                 contained
                 the
                 true
                 Body
                 and
                 Blood
                 ,
                 together
                 with
                 the
                 Soul
                 and
                 Divinity
                 of
                 our
                 Lord
                 Jesus
                 Christ
                 ,
              
               Cath.
               Answ.
               to
               Seeker
               ,
               p.
               4.
               
               And
               where
               our
               Author
               found
               the
               Conclusion
               .
               I
               know
               not
               ,
               for
               there
               is
               nothing
               in
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answer
              
               like
               to
               this
               ,
               that
               
                 from
                 thence
                 concludes
                 the
                 not
                 Being
                 of
                 Christ's
                 Body
                 in
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 ,
                 because
                 he
                 is
                 not
                 there
                 intire
                 .
              
            
             
               However
               it
               may
               not
               be
               amiss
               to
               see
               how
               our
               Author
               relieves
               himself
               :
               Saith
               he
               ;
               
                 To
                 which
                 ,
                 I
                 answer
                 and
                 grant
                 ,
                 that
                 Christ
                 is
                 not
                 ,
                 but
                 where
                 he
                 is
                 intire
                 .
                 And
                 whether
                 Christ
                 who
                 is
                 perfect
                 God
                 ,
                 may
                 not
                 be
                 intire
                 in
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 ,
                 and
                 in
                 many
                 places
                 at
                 one
                 and
                 the
                 same
                 time
                 ,
                 is
                 the
                 Query
                 ?
                 which
                 if
                 fully
                 resolved
                 ,
                 will
                 overthr●w
                 all
                 his
                 reasoning
                 Ware
                 besides
                 ?
              
               Well
               ,
               how
               will
               he
               prove
               Christ
               intirely
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               ?
               That
               is
               ,
               
                 the
                 true
                 Body
                 of
                 Christ
                 with
                 the
                 Soul
                 and
                 Divinity
                 .
              
               That
               was
               forgot
               before
               ,
               and
               so
               is
               not
               to
               be
               remembred
               ;
               but
               if
               it
               may
               be
               accepted
               for
               a
               full
               and
               intire
               Answer
               ,
               he
               will
               prove
               his
               Body
               
                 may
                 be
              
               intire
               in
               many
               places
               at
               one
               and
               the
               same
               
               time
               .
               What
               he
               saith
               of
               that
               ,
               belongs
               to
               another
               place
               ,
               and
               shall
               there
               be
               considered
               ,
               p.
               29.
               
               But
               what
               is
               this
               to
               his
               Soul
               and
               Divinity
               ;
               and
               to
               the
               literal
               sense
               of
               
                 he
                 that
                 eateth
                 me
              
               ,
               and
               the
               Argument
               the
               Answerer
               prest
               upon
               him
               ?
               He
               will
               be
               able
               to
               answer
               it
               ,
               when
               he
               can
               prove
               his
               Proposition
               ,
               that
               
                 Christ
                 is
                 not
                 ,
                 but
                 where
                 he
                 is
                 intire
              
               ;
               for
               then
               his
               Body
               must
               be
               Omnipresent
               as
               well
               as
               his
               Divinity
               ,
               which
               after
               all
               the
               
                 may
                 be
                 's
              
               ,
               and
               his
               attempts
               to
               prove
               it
               possible
               for
               Christ's
               Body
               to
               be
               in
               many
               places
               at
               one
               and
               the
               same
               time
               ,
               I
               suppose
               he
               will
               have
               no
               allowance
               to
               publish
               ,
               if
               he
               should
               have
               the
               imprudence
               to
               maintain
               .
            
          
           
             
               SECT
               .
               III.
               
            
             
               
                 WE
                 are
                 at
                 length
                 come
                 to
                 his
                 second
                 Text
                 to
                 prove
                 his
              
               Real
               Presence
               ,
               
               viz.
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               .
               
                 Here
                 the
              
               Protestant
               Answerer
               
                 shew'd
                 how
                 absurd
                 the
                 direction
                 of
                 the
              
               Seeker
               
                 was
                 ,
                 that
                 his
                 Answerers
                 should
                 produce
                 their
                 Texts
                 ,
              
               without
               troubling
               themselves
               to
               tell
               the
               meaning
               on
               't
               ,
               
                 because
                 he
                 was
                 certain
                 that
                 the
                 Doctrine
                 of
              
               Transubstantiation
               
                 could
                 never
                 be
                 the
                 literal
              
               meaning
               
                 of
                 those
                 words
                 .
                 As
                 for
                 example
                 ,
                 saith
                 he
                 ,
              
               Where
               is
               there
               one
               word
               ,
               that
               the
               
                 [
                 This
              
               ]
               whatever
               it
               means
               ,
               is
               the
               true
               Body
               and
               Blood
               ,
               together
               with
               the
               Soul
               and
               Divinity
               of
               Christ
               ,
               in
               the
               self-same
               Substance
               wherein
               he
               was
               born
               of
               the
               Virgin
               ?
               Where
               that
               this
               true
               Body
               and
               Blood
               is
               truly
               ,
               really
               and
               substantially
               contained
               under
               the
               Forms
               of
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               ?
               Where
               that
               the
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               are
               upon
               Consecration
               turned
               into
               the
               true
               Body
               and
               Blood
               of
               Christ
               ?
               
                 Let
                 us
                 see
                 how
                 our
                 Author
                 replies
                 to
                 this
                 ,
              
               p.
               17.
               
               Let
               us
               note
               his
               Where
               's
               .
               Where
               ,
               says
               he
               ,
               is
               there
               one
               word
               ?
               Where
               that
               this
               true
               Body
               and
               Blood
               ?
               Where
               that
               the
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               are
               upon
               Consecration
               ,
               turn'd
               into
               the
               True
               Body
               and
               Blood
               of
               Christ
               ,
               &c.
               
               Which
               truly
               ,
               are
               Where
               's
               indeed
               ?
               
                 But
                 what
                 's
                 become
                 of
              
               the
               Soul
               and
               Divinity
               of
               Christ
               ?
               
                 What
                 of
              
               the
               self-same
               Substance
               wherein
               he
               was
               born
               of
               the
               Virgin
               ?
               
                 What
                 of
              
               the
               true
               Body
               ,
               truly
               ,
               really
               ,
               and
               substantially
               contain'd
               under
               the
               Forms
               of
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               ?
               
                 Which
                 are
                 what
                 he
                 profess'd
              
               firmly
               and
               truly
               to
               believe
               by
               the
               same
               Faith
               he
               believes
               a
               God
               ?
               
                 And
                 where
                 (
                 to
                 add
                 another
              
               Where
               )
               
                 will
                 he
                 find
                 these
                 literally
                 in
                 the
                 words
                 ,
              
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               ?
               
                 He
                 tells
                 us
              
               one
               would
               think
               that
               so
               many
               Where
               's
               were
               not
               without
               a
               Wherefore
               .
               And
               because
               the
               Gentleman
               desires
               to
               know
               the
               Where
               ,
               he
               shall
               also
               know
               the
               When.
               
                 Certainly
                 now
                 to
                 the
                 Confutation
                 of
              
               Scotus
               and
               Biel
               ,
               &c.
               
                 and
                 the
                 confusion
                 of
                 all
                 Hereticks
                 ,
                 
                 We
                 shall
                 have
                 a
                 plain
                 discovery
                 ,
                 and
                 that
                 in
                 so
                 many
                 words
                 we
                 shall
                 find
              
               the
               true
               Body
               and
               Blood
               ,
               together
               with
               the
               Soul
               and
               Divinity
               of
               Christ
               ,
               
                 &c.
                 
                 For
                 this
                 go
                 we
                 to
                 his
              
               when
               Jesus
               took
               Bread
               ,
               &c.
               and
               said
               ,
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               ,
               Mat.
               26.
               26.
               
               Then
               it
               was
               ,
               
                 saith
                 he
              
               ,
               and
               ,
               Here
               it
               is
               by
               power
               of
               these
               words
               of
               God
               ,
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               ,
               that
               the
               Bread
               is
               turned
               into
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ.
               
                 This
                 is
                 indeed
                 a
              
               submission
               
                 to
                 the
              
               Seeker
               
                 's
                 direction
                 to
                 produce
                 the
              
               words
               without
               a
               meaning
               ,
               
                 and
                 it
                 is
                 so
                 because
                 it
                 is
                 so
              
               ;
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               ,
               
                 doth
                 turn
                 the
                 Bread
                 into
                 the
                 Body
                 ,
                 because
                 there
                 are
                 the
                 words
                 ,
              
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               .
               
                 I
                 hope
                 the
                 Reader
                 is
                 satisfied
                 ,
                 for
                 in
                 truth
                 I
                 am
                 .
              
            
             
               The
               next
               thing
               proposed
               by
               the
               
                 Prot.
                 Answerer
              
               was
               ,
               what
               the
               meaning
               is
               of
               This
               ,
               in
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
              
               ?
               If
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               it
               be
               Bread
               ,
               then
               the
               Bread
               is
               in
               the
               literal
               sense
               ,
               the
               substance
               of
               Christ's
               Body
               ,
               and
               so
               overthrows
               the
               change
               to
               be
               made
               in
               Transubstantiation
               .
               If
               by
               This
               ,
               is
               not
               meant
               the
               Bread
               ,
               then
               the
               Bread
               could
               never
               be
               turned
               into
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               by
               vertue
               of
               the
               words
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
              
               .
               Our
               Author
               readily
               answers
               ,
               
                 Ask
                 the
                 Question
                 ,
                 What
                 ?
                 and
                 our
                 Saviour
                 will
                 resolve
                 you
                 ,
              
               Mat.
               26.
               26.
               
               
                 This
                 is
                 (
                 what
                 ?
                 )
                 my
                 Body
                 ,
                 he
                 did
                 not
                 say
                 ,
                 after
                 he
                 had
                 blessed
                 it
                 ,
                 Say
                 ,
                 Take
                 ,
                 Eat
                 ,
                 This
                 is
                 Bread
                 ,
                 but
                 my
                 Body
                 ;
                 than
                 which
                 ,
                 nothing
                 can
                 be
                 more
                 plain
                 ,
                 than
                 that
                 it
                 was
                 his
                 Body
                 .
              
               And
               to
               make
               all
               sure
               ,
               he
               seriously
               proves
               it
               ,
               because
               it
               's
               not
               hic
               ,
               but
               hoc
               est
               panis
               .
               It
               's
               well
               
                 〈◊〉
                 〈◊〉
                 〈◊〉
                 〈◊〉
                 〈◊〉
              
               in
               the
               Greek
               is
               of
               the
               same
               Gender
               with
               panis
               .
               But
               let
               us
               admit
               of
               this
               Learned
               Criticism
               (
               though
               by
               the
               way
               let
               me
               observe
               for
               our
               Author's
               instruction
               ,
               when
               the
               Article
               relates
               to
               the
               sentence
               ,
               it
               's
               to
               be
               put
               in
               the
               Neuter
               Gender
               )
               the
               difficulty
               put
               ,
               yet
               remains
               ;
               for
               if
               the
               This
               relates
               to
               Body
               ,
               then
               the
               sense
               is
               ,
               This
               Body
               is
               my
               Body
               .
               But
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 let
                 us
              
               suppose
               This
               to
               refer
               to
               
                 Bread
                 ,
                 It
                 yet
                 follows
                 that
                 it
                 is
                 his
                 Body
                 .
              
               But
               it
               follows
               also
               ,
               as
               the
               Answerer
               argued
               ,
               that
               then
               the
               Bread
               is
               the
               Substance
               of
               Christ's
               Body
               ,
               according
               to
               the
               Letter
               ;
               and
               so
               could
               not
               be
               turned
               into
               it
               .
               So
               that
               our
               Author
               has
               left
               the
               difficulty
               as
               he
               found
               it
               .
            
             
               But
               because
               the
               Answerer
               here
               said
               ,
               
                 We
                 have
                 not
                 Faith
                 to
                 believe
                 that
                 reason
                 the
                 Scripture
                 hath
                 not
                 taught
                 ,
              
               he
               very
               subtilly
               argues
               after
               this
               manner
               :
               
                 From
                 whence
              
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 I
                 gather
                 ,
                 that
                 notwithstanding
                 all
                 his
                 Arguments
                 to
                 disprove
                 the
                 Real
                 Presence
                 ,
                 yet
                 he
                 hath
                 not
                 Faith
                 (
                 though
                 face
                 )
                 to
                 deny
                 it
                 .
                 For
                 that
              
               pag.
               3.
               
                 he
                 tells
                 you
                 that
                 
                   besides
                   their
                   positive
                   Articles
                   ,
                   they
                   have
                   a
                   great
                   many
                   Negative
                   ones
                
              
               ,
               [
               and
               the
               Answerer
               tells
               you
               ,
               for
               which
               we
               are
               beholden
               to
               the
               
               Corruptions
               and
               Innovations
               of
               the
               Church
               of
               Rome
               ]
               &c.
               
               
                 For
                 that
                 he
                 hath
                 not
                 faith
                 to
                 believe
                 ,
                 what
                 the
                 Scripture
                 hath
                 not
                 taught
                 ,
                 that
                 in
                 the
                 Eucharist
                 is
                 not
                 contain'd
                 the
                 Body
                 of
                 Christ.
                 The
                 Gentleman
                 therefore
                 can
                 have
                 no
                 Faith
                 to
                 deny
                 it
                 .
              
               A
               very
               quaint
               Argument
               ;
               which
               I
               shall
               dismiss
               with
               a
               parallel
               Instance
               .
               He
               that
               hath
               not
               Faith
               to
               believe
               that
               which
               the
               Scripture
               hath
               not
               taught
               ,
               hath
               not
               Faith
               to
               deny
               that
               to
               be
               of
               Faith
               which
               the
               Scripture
               doth
               not
               teach
               :
               And
               therefore
               because
               Mahometism
               is
               not
               taught
               in
               Scripture
               ,
               he
               hath
               not
               Faith
               to
               deny
               it
               .
               But
               this
               spirit
               of
               acuteness
               doth
               not
               last
               long
               ,
               for
               having
               labour'd
               to
               find
               inconsistencies
               in
               the
               Doctrine
               of
               the
               Church
               of
               England
               as
               set
               down
               in
               the
               Answer
               ,
               he
               blunders
               without
               end
               .
               He
               allows
               what
               our
               Church
               saith
               ,
               
                 That
                 the
                 Body
                 of
                 Christ
                 is
                 eaten
                 in
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 after
                 an
                 Heavenly
                 and
                 Spiritual
                 manner
              
               ;
               but
               he
               adds
               ,
               
                 but
                 this
                 we
                 believe
                 to
                 be
                 a
                 true
                 and
                 real
                 manner
                 ,
                 not
                 a
                 Deceitful
                 ,
                 Figurative
                 ,
                 or
                 Fictitious
                 manner
                 .
                 —
                 If
                 you
                 grant
                 it
                 after
                 a
                 Spiritual
                 manner
                 ,
                 you
                 must
                 grant
                 it
                 there
                 after
                 a
                 true
                 manner
                 .
                 If
                 Christ
                 be
                 there
                 in
                 Spirit
                 ,
                 he
                 is
                 also
                 there
                 in
                 Truth
                 ;
                 and
                 if
                 there
                 in
                 Spirit
                 and
                 Truth
                 ,
                 all
                 my
                 Arguments
                 are
                 granted
                 .
              
               I
               think
               not
               ;
               for
               the
               Church
               of
               England
               saith
               ,
               it
               's
               
                 only
                 after
                 an
                 Heavenly
                 and
                 Spiritual
                 manner
                 .
              
               So
               that
               though
               they
               do
               agree
               ,
               where
               Christ
               is
               in
               Spirit
               ,
               he
               is
               there
               in
               Truth
               ;
               yet
               I
               doubt
               me
               the
               word
               only
               alters
               the
               case
               ,
               for
               he
               may
               be
               there
               
                 in
                 Spirit
                 and
                 in
                 Truth
              
               ,
               and
               yet
               not
               be
               Corporally
               there
               .
               And
               I
               question
               whether
               any
               thing
               less
               will
               satisfie
               our
               Author
               ;
               and
               so
               it
               appears
               ;
               For
               ,
               saith
               he
               ,
               
                 Christ
                 is
                 there
                 after
                 such
                 an
                 Intire
                 ,
                 Real
                 and
                 Substantial
                 manner
                 ,
                 as
                 we
                 believe
                 ,
                 or
                 he
                 is
                 in
                 no
                 manner
                 there
                 at
                 all
                 ,
              
               p.
               19
               ,
               20.
               
            
          
        
         
           
             
               PART
               II.
               Sect.
               1.
               
            
             
               HAving
               thus
               considered
               the
               Texts
               produced
               by
               the
               
                 Catholick
                 Answer
                 to
                 the
                 Seeker
              
               ,
               
               and
               shew'd
               how
               little
               they
               serve
               their
               Cause
               ;
               I
               shall
               proceed
               to
               the
               Second
               Part
               ,
               and
               that
               is
               to
               vindicate
               the
               Texts
               produced
               in
               the
               
                 Protestant
                 Answer
              
               ,
               from
               the
               Exceptions
               of
               our
               Author
               .
               Here
               our
               Author
               sets
               his
               Texts
               against
               those
               of
               the
               Protestant
               ;
               but
               it
               would
               have
               done
               well
               if
               he
               had
               first
               set
               down
               what
               it
               is
               he
               should
               prove
               on
               his
               own
               side
               ,
               viz.
               That
               
                 in
                 the
                 Eucharist
                 is
                 truly
                 ,
                 really
                 and
                 substantially
                 contained
                 ,
                 under
                 
                 the
                 Forms
                 of
                 Bread
                 and
                 Wine
                 ,
                 the
                 true
                 Body
                 and
                 Blood
                 ,
                 together
                 with
                 the
                 Soul
                 and
                 Divinity
                 of
                 Christ
                 in
                 the
                 same
                 substance
                 wherein
                 he
                 was
                 born
                 of
                 the
                 Virgin
                 ,
                 and
                 wherein
                 he
                 lived
                 and
                 died
                 for
                 us
                 ;
                 and
                 this
                 by
                 the
                 Conversion
                 of
                 the
                 whole
                 Bread
                 into
                 the
                 Body
                 ,
                 and
                 the
                 Wine
                 into
                 the
                 Blood
                 of
                 Christ.
              
               If
               this
               had
               been
               done
               ,
               how
               meanly
               would
               it
               have
               look'd
               ▪
               though
               he
               brought
               his
               24
               Texts
               to
               prove
               it
               ?
               and
               surely
               he
               could
               not
               then
               have
               had
               the
               confidence
               to
               have
               said
               ,
               as
               he
               now
               doth
               ,
               
                 I
                 doubt
                 not
                 but
                 it
                 appears
                 that
                 the
                 Texts
                 brought
                 on
                 the
                 Catholick
              
               [
               Roman
               ]
               
                 side
                 are
                 abundantly
                 plain
                 and
                 sufficient
                 for
                 the
                 Being
                 of
                 Christ's
                 Body
                 in
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 ,
              
               as
               thus
               set
               down
               .
               And
               it
               would
               doubtless
               have
               been
               some
               gratification
               to
               his
               Reader
               ,
               if
               he
               had
               given
               us
               a
               Paraphrase
               as
               his
               Adversary
               had
               done
               ,
               according
               to
               these
               his
               Sentiments
               .
            
             
               But
               here
               he
               saith
               that
               the
               Answerer
               
                 pretends
                 not
                 to
                 prove
                 by
                 these
                 Texts
                 that
                 the
                 Body
                 and
                 Blood
                 of
                 Christ
                 are
                 not
                 in
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 ,
              
               p.
               24
               Why
               so
               ?
               Because
               it
               's
               one
               of
               their
               Negative
               Articles
               ,
               and
               to
               
                 require
                 plain
                 and
                 express
                 words
                 of
                 Scripture
                 to
                 prove
                 such
                 a
                 thing
                 is
                 not
                 there
                 taught
                 ,
              
               is
               ,
               says
               he
               ,
               to
               demand
               a
               proof
               ,
               the
               thing
               is
               not
               capable
               of
               .
               —
               As
               if
               suppose
               there
               was
               not
               
                 express
                 words
                 of
                 Scripture
              
               to
               confute
               Arianism
               ,
               therefore
               that
               could
               not
               be
               confuted
               by
               Scripture
               .
               It
               's
               enough
               that
               what
               is
               not
               in
               Scripture
               is
               no
               Article
               of
               Faith
               ;
               it
               's
               enough
               that
               there
               are
               such
               Propositions
               in
               Scripture
               as
               are
               sufficient
               to
               refute
               it
               ,
               though
               there
               should
               not
               be
               
                 express
                 words
              
               .
               But
               however
               if
               he
               will
               take
               it
               in
               the
               words
               of
               our
               Article
               ,
               and
               if
               it
               may
               be
               to
               his
               content
               ,
               we
               shall
               find
               it
               positively
               said
               that
               
                 Transubstantiation
                 is
                 repugnant
                 to
                 the
                 plain
                 words
                 of
                 Scripture
                 .
              
               And
               we
               have
               our
               Author
               acknowledging
               that
               his
               Adversary
               undertakes
               to
               shew
               that
               the
               Protestants
               have
               the
               Letter
               of
               Scripture
               for
               them
               ,
               meaning
               (
               as
               he
               saith
               )
               
                 that
                 in
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 is
                 Not
                 contained
                 the
                 Body
                 of
                 Christ
                 ,
              
               p.
               30.
               
               And
               now
               let
               us
               try
               whether
               the
               Answerer
               did
               not
               give
               them
               more
               than
               his
               
                 bare
                 word
              
               for
               it
               ;
               in
               the
               use
               he
               made
               of
               his
               own
               Quotations
               .
               As
               he
               observed
               from
               thence
               .
            
          
           
             
               SECT
               .
               II.
               
            
             
               1.
               
               THat
               it
               's
               no
               contradiction
               to
               our
               Saviour's
               manner
               of
               speaking
               ,
               
               to
               interpret
               these
               words
               Figuratively
               ,
               since
               our
               Author
               after
               all
               his
               Exclamations
               of
               
                 giving
                 Christ
                 the
                 Lie
              
               ,
               is
               forced
               
               (
               tho
               here
               he
               slips
               over
               it
               )
               elsewhere
               to
               acknowledg
               that
               the
               Cup
               ,
               yea
               and
               the
               word
               Bread
               ,
               is
               so
               used
               ,
               p.
               28.
               
            
             
               2.
               
               That
               in
               many
               Instances
               the
               Letter
               of
               Scripture
               is
               for
               us
               :
               As
               ,
            
             
               Arg.
               1.
               
               That
               there
               is
               no
               Substantial
               change
               in
               the
               Elements
               ,
               but
               they
               remain
               the
               same
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               after
               Consecration
               as
               before
               .
               So
               it
               's
               five
               times
               call'd
               Bread
               ,
               1
               Cor.
               10.
               26
               ,
               &c.
               and
               the
               whole
               Solemnity
               is
               call'd
               
                 Breaking
                 of
                 Bread
              
               ,
               Act.
               2.
               42.
               
            
             
               
                 To
                 this
                 our
                 Author
                 replies
                 several
                 ways
                 ,
                 as
                 ,
              
               By
               the
               word
               Bread
               ,
               
                 saith
                 he
              
               ,
               is
               meant
               the
               Communion
               of
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               ,
               as
               by
               the
               word
               Cup
               is
               signified
               the
               Communion
               of
               the
               Blood
               of
               Christ
               ,
               p.
               24.
               
            
             
               But
               to
               this
               I
               answer
               ,
            
             
               1.
               
               That
               if
               the
               words
               Bread
               and
               Cup
               are
               not
               to
               be
               understood
               Literally
               ,
               but
               with
               a
               thereby
               
                 is
                 meant
              
               ,
               and
               thereby
               
                 is
                 signified
              
               ,
               then
               there
               is
               no
               more
               reason
               from
               the
               bare
               words
               to
               understand
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
              
               Literally
               :
               And
               that
               it
               may
               be
               as
               well
               interpreted
               ,
               This
               is
               the
               Representation
               ,
               and
               Sign
               of
               my
               Body
               ,
               as
               this
               Bread
               is
               the
               Communion
               of
               my
               Body
               .
            
             
               2.
               
               From
               hence
               it
               follows
               ,
               That
               if
               the
               Bread
               be
               the
               Communion
               of
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               ,
               as
               the
               Cup
               is
               the
               Communion
               of
               the
               Blood
               of
               Christ
               ,
               then
               the
               Bread
               is
               no
               more
               changed
               than
               the
               Cup
               ;
               but
               as
               the
               Cup
               remains
               the
               Cup
               ,
               so
               the
               Bread
               remains
               the
               Bread
               in
               the
               Communion
               .
            
             
               3.
               
               If
               the
               Bread
               be
               the
               Communion
               of
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               ,
               then
               the
               Communion
               of
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               is
               in
               the
               Communion
               of
               the
               Bread
               ;
               and
               so
               the
               Bread
               is
               still
               Bread.
               
            
             
               4.
               
               Our
               Author
               has
               not
               touched
               the
               Point
               ,
               which
               was
               to
               shew
               the
               Letter
               of
               Scripture
               is
               for
               us
               ,
               when
               it
               calls
               it
               Bread
               after
               Consecration
               .
            
             
               
                 But
                 he
                 saith
              
               ,
               Saint
               Paul
               mentions
               not
               the
               words
               ,
               Cup
               and
               Bread
               ,
               but
               he
               explains
               them
               to
               be
               the
               Body
               and
               Blood
               of
               Christ
               ,
               1
               Cor.
               11.
               26.
               
               As
               often
               as
               ye
               eat
               this
               Bread
               ,
               ye
               do
               shew
               the
               Lords
               death
               ,
               which
               was
               not
               shewn
               ,
               but
               by
               offering
               up
               his
               True
               and
               Real
               Body
               and
               Blood.
               
            
             
               I
               answer
               ,
               so
               we
               may
               better
               say
               he
               mentions
               not
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               ,
               but
               he
               explains
               it
               ,
               when
               he
               five
               times
               afterwards
               calls
               it
               Bread
               :
               But
               how
               doth
               the
               
                 shewing
                 of
                 the
                 Death
              
               of
               Christ
               prove
               the
               Bread
               to
               be
               his
               Body
               ,
               when
               it
               rather
               proves
               it
               not
               to
               be
               his
               Body
               ,
               because
               his
               Body
               is
               not
               ,
               according
               to
               them
               ,
               visible
               ,
               and
               to
               be
               shewn
               ?
            
             
               
                 He
                 saith
                 further
              
               ,
               How
               could
               they
               be
               guilty
               of
               the
               Body
               and
               Blood
               of
               the
               Lord
               ,
               v.
               27.
               if
               the
               Body
               and
               Blood
               be
               not
               there
               ?
            
             
             
               I
               answer
               ,
               As
               persons
               may
               be
               guilty
               of
               it
               out
               of
               the
               Sacrament
               :
               Thus
               we
               read
               
                 Heb.
                 6.
                 6.
                 
                 Who
                 crucifie
                 to
                 themselves
                 the
                 Son
                 of
                 God
                 afresh
                 .
              
               And
               
                 Chap.
                 10.
                 29.
                 
                 Who
                 trod
                 under
                 foot
                 the
                 Blood
                 of
                 the
                 Covenant
                 .
              
               And
               so
               by
               unworthy
               receiving
               of
               the
               Lords
               Supper
               ,
               in
               which
               his
               Death
               was
               Commemorated
               and
               Represented
               ,
               they
               after
               the
               same
               manner
               were
               by
               Interpretation
               guilty
               of
               the
               Body
               and
               Blood
               of
               the
               Lord.
               And
               this
               the
               next
               ver
               .
               29.
               shews
               ,
               
                 not
                 discerning
                 the
                 Lords
                 Body
              
               ;
               which
               can
               be
               understood
               only
               of
               a
               Spiritual
               discerning
               by
               Faith.
               Or
               rather
               as
               the
               word
               
                 〈◊〉
                 〈◊〉
                 〈◊〉
                 〈◊〉
                 〈◊〉
              
               signifies
               ,
               discriminating
               .
            
             
               
                 Lastly
                 ,
                 he
                 adds
              
               ,
               'T
               would
               be
               hard
               a
               sinner
               should
               be
               damn'd
               meerly
               for
               moderate
               eating
               and
               drinking
               Wine
               ;
               for
               according
               to
               the
               Protestant
               Answerer
               ,
               the
               Sacrament
               is
               no
               more
               ,
               who
               tells
               you
               ,
               p.
               11.
               
               There
               is
               no
               other
               Substance
               distributed
               among
               the
               Communicants
               ,
               than
               that
               of
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               
                 But
                 if
                 our
                 Author
                 had
                 gone
                 three
                 or
                 four
                 Lines
                 further
                 ,
                 he
                 would
                 have
                 found
                 those
                 words
                 ,
              
               pag.
               11.
               
               The
               Body
               of
               Christ
               is
               not
               otherwise
               present
               than
               it
               is
               eaten
               ,
               that
               is
               ,
               after
               an
               Heavenly
               and
               Spiritual
               Manner
               ,
               in
               the
               Spiritual
               Blessings
               and
               effects
               of
               his
               Merits
               and
               Sufferings
               in
               his
               Body
               ,
               to
               those
               that
               believe
               .
               
                 So
                 that
                 he
                 prevaricates
                 ,
                 when
                 he
                 saith
                 ,
              
               Sinners
               are
               damn'd
               meerly
               for
               moderate
               eating
               and
               drinking
               ,
               
                 and
                 that
                 we
                 esteem
                 the
              
               Sacrament
               no
               more
               .
            
             
               2.
               
               We
               look
               upon
               it
               as
               a
               
                 Divine
                 Institution
                 ,
                 and
                 by
                 virtue
                 of
                 that
                 Institution
                 a
                 means
                 of
                 Grace
                 ;
                 and
                 that
                 by
                 a
                 worthy
                 participation
                 of
                 it
                 ,
                 we
                 partake
                 of
                 that
                 Grace
                 which
                 is
                 thereto
                 promised
                 ,
                 therein
                 exhibited
                 ,
                 and
                 thereby
                 conveighed
                 ,
              
               as
               it
               's
               there
               declared
               ,
               p.
               17.
               and
               consequently
               the
               damnation
               threatned
               is
               to
               the
               contempt
               of
               God's
               Ordinance
               ,
               and
               of
               the
               Sufferings
               of
               Christ
               therein
               represented
               ,
               and
               of
               the
               Grace
               of
               God
               purchased
               by
               those
               Sufferings
               ,
               and
               therein
               to
               be
               obtained
               .
            
             
               The
               Answerer
               shew'd
               ,
               also
               as
               the
               Bread
               ,
               so
               the
               Wine
               was
               without
               alteration
               ,
               from
               Mat.
               26.
               28.
               who
               after
               he
               had
               said
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Blood
              
               ,
               calls
               it
               the
               
                 Fruit
                 of
                 the
                 Vine
              
               .
               And
               from
               the
               order
               in
               St.
               Mark
               14.
               23
               ,
               24.
               where
               the
               Apostles
               are
               said
               to
               have
               drank
               of
               it
               ,
               before
               our
               Saviour
               said
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Blood.
              
               
            
             
               This
               Branch
               of
               the
               Argument
               our
               Author
               divides
               from
               the
               other
               ,
               and
               casts
               it
               forward
               three
               or
               four
               Pages
               ,
               Pag.
               28.
               for
               it
               gave
               too
               much
               light
               to
               the
               other
               ,
               whilst
               they
               were
               together
               .
            
             
               
                 As
                 to
                 the
                 former
                 Text
              
               ,
               I
               will
               not
               drink
               of
               the
               fruit
               of
               the
               Vine
               ,
               
               
                 he
                 saith
              
               ,
               St.
               Luke
               gives
               the
               plainest
               order
               of
               it
               ,
               Chap.
               22.
               14.
               and
               that
               there
               it
               has
               relation
               to
               the
               Paschal
               Cup.
               
            
             
               I
               grant
               ,
               that
               in
               St.
               Luke
               it
               more
               immediately
               is
               joyn'd
               to
               the
               Paschal
               Feast
               ,
               but
               yet
               in
               St.
               Matthew
               and
               Mark
               ,
               Christ
               is
               said
               to
               have
               spoke
               these
               words
               after
               the
               delivery
               of
               the
               Cup
               in
               the
               Lords-Supper
               .
               And
               the
               least
               that
               can
               be
               observed
               from
               hence
               is
               ,
               that
               it
               was
               indifferently
               to
               be
               applied
               to
               either
               ;
               and
               so
               it
               more
               strongly
               argues
               that
               it
               was
               alike
               to
               be
               understood
               [
               that
               the
               Wine
               in
               the
               Eucharistical
               Cup
               was
               the
               natural
               fruit
               of
               the
               Vine
               ,
               as
               that
               in
               the
               Paschal
               ]
               as
               that
               the
               substance
               of
               both
               was
               one
               and
               the
               same
               ,
               and
               no
               more
               change
               in
               the
               one
               than
               the
               other
               .
            
             
               But
               ,
               suppose
               this
               ,
               yet
               ,
               
                 saith
                 he
              
               ,
               the
               meaning
               of
               these
               words
               could
               in
               no
               wise
               be
               applied
               to
               the
               Substance
               of
               Wine
               proceeding
               from
               an
               Earthly
               Vine
               ;
               but
               to
               the
               Substance
               of
               his
               Blood
               ,
               the
               fruit
               of
               the
               Heavenly
               Vine
               ,
               for
               that
               it
               was
               to
               be
               drank
               new
               with
               them
               in
               his
               Father's
               Kingdom
               ,
               which
               is
               Heaven
               ,
               where
               they
               neither
               keep
               Taverns
               ,
               nor
               drink
               Wine
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             
               Some
               persons
               while
               they
               charge
               others
               with
               irreverence
               ,
               themselves
               seem
               to
               have
               lost
               all
               due
               reverence
               for
               holy
               things
               .
            
             
               We
               will
               suppose
               ,
               in
               favour
               of
               our
               Author
               ,
               that
               by
               
                 the
                 Kingdom
                 of
                 God
              
               our
               Saviour
               means
               Heaven
               ,
               and
               by
               the
               
                 Fruit
                 of
                 the
                 Vine
              
               ,
               he
               means
               the
               Substance
               of
               Christ's
               Blood
               ;
               yet
               how
               will
               it
               follow
               that
               it
               's
               the
               same
               Fruit
               of
               the
               Vine
               they
               drink
               of
               in
               Heaven
               as
               they
               drank
               of
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               ;
               since
               the
               Blood
               of
               Christ
               is
               no
               more
               drank
               in
               Heaven
               ,
               than
               Wine
               ;
               nor
               is
               the
               Sacrament
               any
               more
               administred
               there
               ,
               than
               the
               Passover
               ?
               So
               that
               if
               by
               the
               Kingdom
               of
               God
               ,
               Heaven
               is
               to
               be
               understood
               ,
               then
               the
               phrase
               ,
               
                 Till
                 I
                 drink
                 it
                 new
              
               ,
               signifies
               Mystically
               and
               Figuratively
               according
               to
               the
               manner
               of
               Scripture
               ,
               which
               sets
               forth
               the
               happiness
               of
               that
               state
               by
               eating
               ,
               
                 Mat.
                 8.
                 11.
                 
                 Luk.
              
               14.
               15.
               and
               the
               excellency
               and
               perfection
               of
               it
               by
               the
               word
               New
               ,
               Revel
               .
               14.
               13
               ,
               &c.
               And
               so
               the
               meaning
               is
               ,
               I
               shall
               not
               henceforth
               thus
               eat
               with
               you
               ;
               the
               next
               Festival
               I
               shall
               observe
               ,
               will
               be
               in
               Heaven
               ;
               there
               we
               that
               have
               now
               thus
               eat
               and
               drank
               together
               ,
               shall
               partake
               of
               the
               felicity
               of
               that
               state
               ;
               and
               this
               fruit
               of
               the
               Earthly
               Vine
               shall
               be
               exchanged
               for
               Rivers
               of
               Heavenly
               Pleasures
               ,
               which
               we
               shall
               there
               be
               entertained
               with
               .
            
             
               The
               next
               thing
               observed
               by
               the
               Answerer
               in
               proof
               of
               the
               Substance
               of
               the
               Wine
               continuing
               so
               after
               Consecration
               ,
               was
               from
               the
               order
               observed
               in
               St.
               Mark
               14.
               23.
               where
               it
               's
               said
               the
               Disciples
               
               drank
               of
               the
               Wine
               ,
               before
               our
               Saviour
               said
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Blood.
              
               
            
             
               Here
               our
               Author
               thinks
               himself
               excus'd
               from
               an
               Answer
               ,
               because
               of
               an
               Error
               in
               the
               Press
               ,
               Body
               being
               put
               for
               Blood.
               But
               if
               he
               turned
               to
               the
               Text
               ,
               he
               might
               see
               that
               place
               was
               quoted
               right
               ,
               and
               common
               sense
               would
               serve
               to
               rectifie
               it
               .
               However
               he
               courteously
               offers
               somewhat
               in
               the
               mean
               time
               ,
               by
               way
               of
               Answer
               ,
               viz.
               
                 Whether
                 St.
              
               Mark
               
                 expresseth
                 the
                 words
                 in
                 the
                 same
                 order
                 as
                 they
                 were
                 spoken
                 or
                 no
                 ,
                 it
                 matters
                 not
                 ;
                 seeing
                 he
                 has
                 the
                 Substance
                 of
                 what
                 was
                 said
                 ,
                 and
                 wherein
                 they
                 all
                 agree
                 ;
                 to
                 wit
                 ,
                 that
                 it
                 was
                 his
                 Blood.
                 And
                 it
                 's
                 also
                 apparent
                 that
                 Christ
                 first
                 gave
                 thanks
                 ,
                 and
                 blessed
                 it
                 ,
                 before
                 he
                 gave
                 it
                 ,
              
               &c.
               pag.
               29.
               
               But
               doth
               it
               not
               matter
               whether
               St.
               Mark
               expresseth
               the
               words
               in
               order
               ?
               Certainly
               if
               the
               order
               he
               recites
               it
               in
               ,
               were
               the
               order
               observed
               by
               our
               Saviour
               ,
               and
               that
               the
               Apostles
               received
               the
               Cup
               ,
               and
               drank
               of
               the
               Wine
               before
               
                 the
                 words
                 of
                 Conversion
              
               (
               as
               they
               call
               them
               )
               were
               used
               ,
               then
               it
               follows
               (
               as
               the
               Answerer
               argued
               )
               that
               they
               only
               drank
               of
               the
               Substance
               of
               the
               Wine
               ,
               and
               that
               the
               words
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Blood
              
               ,
               could
               not
               signifie
               ,
               and
               much
               less
               produce
               a
               Conversion
               of
               the
               Wine
               into
               the
               Blood
               of
               Christ.
               This
               our-Author
               was
               sensible
               of
               ,
               and
               therefore
               in
               his
               Answer
               left
               out
               the
               main
               part
               of
               it
               .
               For
               what
               tho
               all
               the
               Evangelists
               agree
               that
               the
               words
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Blood
              
               ;
               were
               then
               used
               by
               our
               Saviour
               ?
               What
               though
               
                 Christ
                 first
                 gave
                 thanks
                 ,
                 and
                 blessed
                 it
                 ,
                 before
                 he
                 gave
                 it
                 ,
              
               if
               he
               did
               not
               also
               use
               the
               words
               of
               Conversion
               ,
               
                 before
                 he
                 gave
                 it
              
               ?
               For
               all
               the
               rest
               he
               might
               do
               ,
               and
               yet
               the
               Wine
               be
               Wine
               still
               (
               as
               they
               own
               .
               )
               But
               thus
               it
               was
               ,
               if
               St.
               Mark
               is
               right
               in
               the
               order
               ,
               and
               it
               seems
               to
               be
               the
               proper
               order
               ,
               because
               he
               only
               speaks
               of
               the
               particular
               ,
               
                 that
                 they
                 all
                 drank
                 of
                 it
                 .
              
               But
               we
               are
               not
               to
               have
               any
               thing
               to
               the
               purpose
               till
               (
               as
               he
               saith
               )
               
                 the
                 Bill
                 be
                 amended
              
               ,
               and
               that
               I
               take
               for
               his
               best
               Answer
               .
            
             
               Arg.
               2.
               
               The
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               shewed
               the
               Letter
               of
               Scripture
               is
               for
               us
               ,
               that
               our
               Saviour's
               Body
               had
               the
               natural
               and
               inseparable
               Properties
               of
               a
               Body
               ,
               such
               as
               Extension
               ,
               Circumscription
               ,
               
                 &c.
                 p.
              
               15.
               
               Here
               our
               Author
               calls
               in
               the
               Faith
               of
               a
               Christian
               ,
               and
               the
               Almighty
               Power
               of
               God
               to
               his
               Succour
               ;
               and
               looks
               upon
               the
               Answerer
               as
               a
               second
               Didymus
               ,
               because
               he
               will
               ,
               like
               him
               ,
               
                 not
                 believe
                 except
                 he
                 sees
              
               ;
               and
               worse
               than
               him
               ,
               
                 who
                 saw
                 but
                 the
                 Humanity
                 ,
                 yet
                 believed
                 the
                 Divinity
                 of
                 Christ
                 ,
              
               p.
               30.
               
               But
               why
               all
               this
               ,
               when
               he
               believes
               all
               the
               Scripture
               teaches
               ,
               and
               reason
               it self
               justifies
               ?
               
               May
               not
               a
               man
               believe
               ,
               unless
               he
               believes
               contrary
               to
               what
               he
               himself
               sees
               ,
               and
               the
               Scripture
               teaches
               ?
               Or
               why
               is
               he
               worse
               than
               Thomas
               ,
               when
               Thomas
               would
               not
               believe
               unless
               he
               saw
               ?
               But
               the
               Answerer
               is
               one
               of
               those
               (
               Thanks
               be
               to
               God
               )
               whom
               our
               Saviour
               pronounced
               Blessed
               ,
               
                 That
                 have
                 not
                 seen
                 ,
                 and
                 yet
                 have
                 believed
                 .
              
               What
               is
               there
               he
               would
               have
               him
               believe
               ?
               It
               is
               what
               was
               never
               put
               to
               Thomas
               ,
               for
               our
               Saviour
               convinced
               him
               by
               an
               ocular
               Demonstration
               ,
               
                 Joh.
                 20.
                 27.
                 
                 Reach
                 hither
                 thy
                 finger
                 ,
                 and
                 behold
                 ,
              
               &c.
               
               As
               much
               as
               if
               he
               had
               said
               ,
               The
               Resurrection
               is
               real
               ,
               for
               it
               's
               a
               real
               Body
               that
               is
               before
               thee
               ;
               and
               it
               's
               my
               Body
               ,
               for
               
                 reach
                 hither
                 thy
                 finger
              
               ,
               &c.
               
               It
               's
               plain
               our
               Saviour
               here
               thought
               he
               gave
               an
               unquestionable
               Proof
               of
               the
               Truth
               of
               his
               Resurrection
               by
               shewing
               his
               Body
               to
               Thomas
               ,
               which
               could
               not
               have
               been
               ,
               had
               not
               his
               Body
               had
               the
               properties
               of
               an
               human
               body
               ,
               without
               which
               it
               could
               not
               have
               been
               a
               Body
               ;
               or
               which
               if
               it
               had
               been
               without
               ,
               Thomas
               could
               not
               have
               been
               convinced
               in
               that
               way
               ,
               that
               it
               was
               his
               Body
               .
            
             
               
                 But
                 our
                 Author
                 here
                 undertakes
                 to
                 prove
                 ,
                 that
                 this
                 was
                 not
                 the
                 Condition
                 of
                 our
                 Saviour's
                 Body
                 ;
                 or
                 ,
                 that
                 he
                 could
                 by
                 his
                 power
                 separate
                 these
                 essential
                 Properties
                 of
                 a
                 Body
                 from
                 his
                 Body
                 .
                 Here
                 I
                 must
                 confess
                 my self
                 indebted
                 to
                 him
                 for
                 an
                 answer
                 to
                 what
                 he
                 offered
                 to
                 this
                 purpose
                 before
                 ,
                 but
                 not
                 to
                 the
                 purpose
                 of
                 the
                 Argument
                 there
                 ,
                 and
                 here
                 repeats
                 .
              
               Pray
               ,
               
                 saith
                 he
              
               ,
               how
               was
               his
               Body
               to
               be
               seen
               ,
               Extended
               ,
               Finite
               ,
               and
               Circumscribed
               ,
               when
               he
               pass'd
               through
               Walls
               and
               Doors
               that
               were
               close
               ?
               John
               20.
               17.
               
               He
               entred
               the
               room
               ,
               the
               Doors
               being
               shut
               .
               —
               How
               came
               he
               through
               ?
               Was
               his
               Body
               Intire
               ,
               Extended
               ,
               Finite
               ,
               and
               Circumscribed
               with
               Limbs
               ,
               Bones
               ,
               and
               Sinews
               ?
               —
               Such
               is
               the
               Infinite
               Power
               of
               God
               ,
               that
               though
               they
               were
               inclosed
               in
               walls
               every
               where
               a
               Mile
               thick
               ,
               't
               would
               yet
               be
               possible
               for
               Christ
               to
               enter
               intire
               through
               all
               ,
               p.
               15.
               
            
             
               Here
               is
               one
               thing
               omitted
               ,
               and
               that
               is
               to
               prove
               ,
               that
               as
               the
               Doors
               were
               shut
               ,
               when
               they
               assembled
               ,
               
                 for
                 fear
                 of
                 the
                 Jews
              
               (
               as
               the
               Evangelist
               saith
               )
               so
               they
               were
               not
               opened
               by
               Christ
               ,
               when
               he
               came
               and
               stood
               in
               the
               midst
               of
               them
               ;
               till
               which
               be
               proved
               ,
               we
               shall
               say
               the
               letter
               of
               Scripture
               is
               for
               us
               ,
               and
               that
               Christ's
               Body
               had
               Flesh
               and
               Bones
               ,
               might
               be
               beheld
               and
               felt
               ,
               and
               did
               neither
               come
               through
               the
               Walls
               ,
               nor
               indeed
               could
               do
               ,
               so
               long
               as
               it
               remains
               true
               that
               the
               Penetration
               of
               Dimensions
               is
               impossible
               .
               But
               I
               had
               need
               to
               recal
               this
               ;
               for
               I
               am
               for
               ever
               silenced
               if
               what
               he
               saith
               be
               true
               ,
               that
               the
               
                 Answerer
                 argues
                 perfidiously
                 of
                 Christ
                 ,
                 as
                 if
                 he
                 were
                 not
                 God
                 ,
                 not
                 distinguishing
                 betweeen
                 his
                 Glorious
                 Body
                 and
                 ours
                 ;
                 
                 for
                 as
                 God
                 ,
                 all
                 things
                 are
                 possible
                 to
                 him
                 .
              
               But
               where
               is
               that
               perfidiousness
               ,
               since
               no
               more
               is
               denied
               to
               Christ
               ,
               than
               is
               to
               God
               ?
               For
               because
               all
               things
               are
               possible
               to
               God
               ,
               doth
               he
               think
               that
               it
               's
               perfidious
               to
               say
               ,
               that
               it
               's
               not
               possible
               for
               God
               to
               be
               ignorant
               or
               unfaithful
               ,
               or
               circumscrib'd
               ,
               and
               so
               to
               exist
               after
               the
               manner
               of
               a
               Body
               ?
               Or
               doth
               he
               think
               it
               's
               perfidious
               to
               say
               ,
               it
               's
               impossible
               to
               make
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               to
               have
               been
               existent
               in
               different
               times
               ,
               and
               really
               to
               have
               been
               existent
               before
               it
               was
               existent
               ,
               and
               yet
               not
               to
               be
               existent
               till
               it
               was
               ?
               Or
               is
               it
               perfidious
               to
               say
               ,
               it
               's
               impossible
               to
               make
               the
               circumscribed
               Body
               of
               Christ
               to
               be
               Omnipresent
               ?
               The
               last
               he
               seems
               to
               affirm
               by
               his
               often
               repeated
               Maxim
               ,
               That
               
                 Christ
                 is
                 not
                 but
                 where
                 he
                 is
                 intire
                 ,
                 and
                 placing
                 therein
              
               the
               Difference
               between
               
                 Christ's
                 Glorious
                 Body
                 and
                 ours
              
               .
               But
               of
               that
               more
               anon
               .
            
             
               
                 Our
                 Author
                 ,
                 as
                 he
                 would
                 prove
                 the
                 Body
                 of
                 Christ
                 might
                 lose
                 all
                 the
                 Properties
                 of
                 a
                 Body
                 ,
                 so
                 also
                 that
                 it
                 might
                 be
              
               contained
               under
               the
               Forms
               of
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               ,
               
                 that
                 is
                 ,
                 to
                 all
                 appearance
                 it
                 might
                 have
                 all
                 the
                 Properties
                 of
                 those
                 Elements
                 ,
                 and
                 yet
                 be
                 none
                 of
                 them
                 ,
                 but
                 the
                 Body
                 of
                 Christ
                 alone
                 .
                 And
                 this
                 he
                 reasons
                 upon
                 ,
                 after
                 this
                 manner
                 ,
              
               Where
               is
               the
               difficulty
               to
               believe
               but
               this
               may
               be
               ,
               as
               the
               Holy
               Ghost
               under
               the
               Form
               of
               a
               Dove
               ,
               with
               Feather
               ,
               Beak
               ,
               Wing
               ,
               and
               all
               the
               properties
               of
               a
               Fowl
               ?
               Or
               in
               the
               Form
               of
               Tongues
               of
               Fire
               ?
               Both
               which
               to
               our
               eyes
               were
               but
               as
               a
               perfect
               Dove
               ,
               and
               as
               perfect
               Tongues
               ;
               yet
               those
               different
               objects
               to
               the
               eye
               of
               Flesh
               ,
               were
               but
               one
               Holy
               Ghost
               to
               the
               Eye
               of
               Faith.
               Therefore
               nothing
               can
               be
               more
               plain
               than
               that
               Objects
               may
               be
               one
               thing
               to
               the
               Eye
               of
               Flesh
               ,
               and
               another
               thing
               to
               the
               Eye
               of
               Faith.
               So
               in
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               to
               our
               sight
               and
               tast
               is
               plain
               Bread
               and
               Wine
               ,
               but
               to
               our
               Faith
               (
               in
               Gods
               word
               )
               it
               is
               the
               Real
               and
               Intire
               Body
               and
               Blood
               of
               Christ.
               
            
             
               An
               instance
               and
               inference
               not
               at
               all
               to
               the
               purpose
               .
               For
               the
               Question
               is
               not
               ,
               Whether
               a
               Spiritual
               Being
               may
               not
               be
               under
               the
               appearance
               of
               a
               Body
               ?
               for
               so
               it
               was
               with
               the
               Angels
               when
               they
               appeared
               as
               men
               ,
               and
               the
               Holy
               Ghost
               when
               it
               appeared
               like
               a
               Dove
               .
               Neither
               is
               the
               Question
               ,
               whether
               an
               Object
               may
               be
               one
               thing
               to
               the
               
                 eye
                 of
                 Flesh
              
               ,
               and
               another
               to
               the
               
                 eye
                 of
                 Faith
              
               ?
               for
               so
               our
               Saviour
               appear'd
               to
               be
               man
               ,
               and
               yet
               was
               God
               as
               well
               as
               man.
               All
               which
               yet
               is
               besides
               the
               matter
               ,
               for
               in
               these
               cases
               there
               is
               an
               invisible
               Being
               under
               a
               visible
               representation
               ,
               or
               an
               Invisible
               Being
               in
               union
               to
               a
               visible
               .
               But
               here
               are
               two
               objects
               visible
               in
               their
               own
               nature
               ,
               viz.
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               ,
               and
               Bread
               ;
               and
               the
               one
               of
               these
               so
               turn'd
               into
               the
               other
               ,
               that
               there
               are
               all
               the
               Properties
               of
               a
               visible
               Being
               ,
               
               which
               is
               not
               there
               ,
               viz.
               Bread
               ;
               and
               none
               of
               the
               properties
               of
               that
               visible
               Being
               which
               is
               there
               ,
               viz.
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ.
               So
               that
               the
               question
               should
               be
               thus
               propos'd
               ,
               Whether
               what
               is
               an
               object
               of
               sense
               ,
               may
               have
               all
               the
               properties
               of
               another
               sensible
               object
               ,
               without
               being
               that
               thing
               which
               they
               are
               the
               properties
               of
               ;
               and
               none
               of
               the
               properties
               belonging
               to
               its
               own
               nature
               and
               being
               ?
            
             
               Arg.
               3.
               
               The
               
                 Protestant
                 Answerer
              
               shew'd
               ,
               that
               the
               Letter
               of
               Scripture
               is
               for
               us
               ,
               that
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               as
               it
               ascended
               ,
               so
               is
               to
               continue
               in
               Heaven
               till
               the
               conclusion
               of
               the
               world
               ;
               and
               so
               cannot
               be
               in
               Heaven
               and
               Earth
               at
               the
               same
               time
               .
               This
               our
               Author
               calls
               a
               
                 barren
                 conceit
              
               ;
               but
               as
               barren
               as
               it
               is
               ,
               it
               is
               true
               ,
               and
               has
               Scripture
               and
               Reason
               on
               its
               side
               ,
               notwithstanding
               what
               he
               has
               objected
               to
               the
               contrary
               .
               The
               first
               Argument
               he
               offers
               in
               Answer
               to
               this
               is
               ,
               
                 that
                 he
                 is
                 a
                 perfect
                 and
                 omnipotent-God
                 .
              
               And
               that
               he
               may
               be
               ,
               and
               yet
               not
               reconcile
               contradictions
               (
               as
               has
               been
               just
               before
               shewed
               .
               )
               He
               confirms
               it
               by
               Scripture
               ,
               
                 Mat.
                 18.
                 20.
                 c.
                 28.
                 20.
                 
                 Where
                 two
                 or
                 three
                 are
                 gathered
                 together
                 in
                 my
                 name
                 ,
                 there
                 am
                 I
                 in
                 the
                 midst
                 of
                 them
                 .
                 And
                 if
                 there
                 ,
                 he
                 is
                 there
                 intire
                 ,
                 or
                 not
                 at
                 all
                 ,
                 p.
                 15.
                 
                 &
              
               32.
               
               But
               when
               Christ
               promised
               to
               be
               in
               the
               midst
               of
               them
               ,
               did
               he
               promise
               to
               be
               there
               Corporally
               ?
               If
               bodily
               ,
               I
               would
               fain
               know
               under
               what
               Form
               he
               is
               there
               ?
               And
               if
               he
               be
               intire
               where
               ever
               he
               is
               ,
               and
               yet
               he
               is
               every
               where
               as
               God
               ,
               then
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               must
               be
               as
               Omnipresent
               as
               his
               Divinity
               ;
               and
               so
               there
               would
               be
               no
               need
               ,
               nor
               indeed
               possibility
               of
               his
               Descending
               .
            
             
               
                 He
                 adds
              
               ,
               Our
               Saviour
               is
               not
               so
               confined
               in
               Heaven
               ,
               as
               that
               he
               cannot
               also
               be
               upon
               Earth
               ;
               for
               we
               read
               that
               he
               Descended
               and
               overthrew
               Saul
               in
               the
               way
               to
               Damascus
               ,
               and
               spoke
               to
               him
               ,
               Act.
               9.
               4.
               
               And
               he
               may
               be
               actually
               present
               without
               being
               seen
               ,
               for
               the
               men
               with
               Saul
               saw
               no
               man
               ,
               v.
               7.
               
               By
               all
               which
               it
               's
               plain
               ,
               that
               Christ
               may
               be
               in
               Earth
               ,
               and
               in
               many
               places
               at
               the
               same
               time
               ,
               as
               well
               as
               in
               Heaven
               .
            
             
               But
               to
               this
               I
               answer
               ,
               (
               1.
               )
               It
               's
               not
               certain
               that
               the
               Apostle
               saw
               ,
               or
               that
               Christ
               appeared
               to
               his
               
                 Fleshly
                 eye
              
               .
               For
               elsewhere
               he
               is
               said
               to
               see
               him
               in
               a
               trance
               ,
               Act.
               22.
               17.
               and
               here
               v.
               4.
               to
               
                 fall
                 on
                 the
                 Earth
              
               ;
               and
               so
               God
               is
               said
               to
               be
               seen
               ,
               when
               yet
               there
               was
               no
               similitude
               ,
               
                 Exod.
                 24.
                 10.
                 
                 Deut.
              
               4.
               12.
               
            
             
               (
               2.
               )
               If
               he
               was
               seen
               bodily
               ,
               yet
               it
               's
               not
               said
               ,
               as
               our
               Author
               would
               have
               it
               ,
               that
               he
               Descended
               ,
               and
               was
               bodily
               present
               .
            
             
               
                 But
                 it
                 might
                 be
                 as
                 with
                 St.
              
               Stephen
               ,
               who
               looked
               up
               to
               Heaven
               ,
               and
               saw
               Jesus
               standing
               on
               the
               right
               hand
               of
               God
               ,
               
                 Act.
                 7.
                 55.
                 
                 And
                 so
                 here
              
               
               v.
               3.
               
                 it
                 's
                 said
                 ,
                 that
              
               there
               shined
               round
               about
               (
               St.
               Paul
               )
               a
               light
               from
               Heaven
               .
            
             
               (
               3.
               )
               Much
               less
               is
               there
               so
               much
               as
               any
               intimation
               of
               what
               our
               Author
               saith
               ,
               that
               Christ
               was
               
                 Bodily
                 in
                 Heaven
                 and
                 the
                 Earth
                 at
                 the
                 same
                 time
                 .
              
               For
               if
               he
               was
               in
               in
               the
               one
               ,
               it
               's
               certain
               he
               was
               not
               Bodily
               in
               the
               other
               .
               And
               this
               our
               Author
               unwittingly
               acknowledges
               ,
               when
               he
               saith
               
                 Christ
                 descended
                 and
                 overthrew
                 Saul
              
               .
               So
               
                 Vigilius
                 Tapsitanus
                 ,
                 When
                 the
                 Body
                 of
                 Christ
                 was
                 in
                 the
                 Earth
                 ,
                 it
                 was
                 not
                 in
                 Heaven
                 ;
                 and
                 now
                 because
                 it
                 is
                 in
                 Heaven
                 ,
                 't
                 is
                 not
                 in
                 the
                 Earth
                 .
              
            
             
               Arg.
               4.
               
               The
               Answerer
               argued
               on
               ,
               That
               the
               Letter
               is
               for
               us
               ,
               that
               Christ
               was
               but
               once
               offered
               as
               a
               Propitiatory
               Sacrifice
               ,
               &c.
               that
               his
               Body
               is
               Glorified
               and
               so
               not
               to
               be
               offer'd
               ,
               
                 Heb.
                 9.
                 28
                 ,
                 &c.
              
               
               But
               to
               this
               our
               Author
               has
               made
               no
               Reply
               .
            
          
           
             
               SECT
               .
               III.
               
            
             
               FRom
               hence
               the
               
                 Prot.
                 Answerer
              
               proceeded
               to
               shew
               ,
               that
               as
               the
               Letter
               of
               Scripture
               is
               for
               us
               ,
               so
               are
               the
               words
               which
               are
               Figurative
               ,
               as
               in
               those
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
              
               ,
               p.
               16.
               
               The
               method
               was
               here
               orderly
               and
               distinct
               ,
               but
               our
               Author
               runs
               one
               into
               another
               .
               I
               shall
               gather
               up
               what
               he
               saith
               as
               well
               as
               I
               can
               .
               The
               Arguments
               by
               which
               the
               Answerer
               proved
               those
               words
               to
               be
               Figurative
               ,
               are
               as
               followeth
               .
            
             
               Arg.
               1.
               
               From
               the
               word
               This
               ,
               which
               if
               to
               be
               understood
               of
               the
               Bread
               ,
               Bellarmine
               grants
               ,
               then
               the
               word
               Body
               must
               be
               Figuratively
               understood
               .
               And
               that
               it
               was
               the
               Bread
               ,
               at
               least
               in
               conjunction
               with
               the
               other
               acts
               relating
               to
               it
               ,
               the
               Answerer
               shew'd
               ,
               which
               our
               Author
               le
               ts
               pass
               .
            
             
               Arg.
               2.
               
               The
               Answerer
               argues
               ,
               if
               the
               words
               are
               to
               be
               understood
               literally
               and
               properly
               ,
               when
               these
               words
               were
               said
               by
               our
               Saviour
               ,
               then
               the
               Body
               would
               be
               broken
               ,
               before
               it
               was
               broken
               .
            
             
               
                 To
                 this
                 our
                 Author
                 answers
              
               ,
               (
               1.
               )
               P.
               26.
               
               Though
               his
               Natural
               Body
               be
               there
               ,
               yet
               the
               manner
               of
               it's
               Being
               is
               Spiritual
               and
               Sacramental
               ,
               and
               the
               manner
               of
               its
               Breaking
               follows
               the
               manner
               of
               its
               Being
               ;
               his
               Body
               is
               there
               Broken
               in
               the
               Sign
               ,
               not
               the
               Substance
               .
            
             
               I
               answer
               ,
               That
               to
               speak
               of
               a
               Body's
               being
               after
               the
               manner
               of
               
               a
               Spirit
               ,
               is
               as
               much
               as
               to
               say
               on
               the
               contrary
               ,
               A
               Spirit
               exists
               after
               the
               manner
               of
               a
               Body
               :
               that
               is
               ,
               That
               Body
               may
               be
               a
               Spirit
               ,
               and
               a
               Spirit
               a
               Body
               .
            
             
               2.
               
               If
               the
               Body
               be
               in
               the
               manner
               of
               its
               Being
               only
               Spiritual
               and
               Sacramental
               ,
               and
               the
               breaking
               in
               the
               manner
               of
               its
               breaking
               be
               only
               Spiritually
               ,
               then
               why
               not
               the
               Body
               be
               only
               Spiritual
               and
               Sacramental
               ?
               Or
               why
               should
               we
               any
               more
               
                 profess
                 our selves
                 Jews
                 or
                 Infidels
              
               (
               as
               he
               would
               have
               it
               )
               
                 to
                 doubt
                 ,
                 whether
                 ,
                 nay
                 to
                 affirm
                 ,
                 what
                 Christ
                 said
                 was
                 improper
              
               and
               Metaphorical
               ,
               when
               we
               say
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
              
               is
               to
               be
               understood
               Figuratively
               and
               Spiritually
               ,
               than
               it
               's
               to
               say
               (
               as
               he
               doth
               )
               it
               's
               broken
               spiritually
               ;
               since
               ,
               as
               the
               Answerer
               observ'd
               it
               's
               as
               well
               said
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 broken
                 ,
                 as
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
                 :
              
               And
               our
               Author
               saith
               ,
               
                 the
                 manner
                 of
                 its
                 being
                 and
                 breaking
                 ,
                 are
                 Spiritual
                 and
                 Sacramental
                 ,
                 Mystical
                 and
                 Representative
                 ?
              
            
             
               3.
               
               But
               this
               is
               besides
               the
               case
               ;
               for
               the
               Question
               is
               not
               about
               the
               manner
               of
               Breaking
               ,
               but
               how
               Christ
               could
               say
               ,
               This
               is
               Broken
               (
               if
               not
               Figuratively
               understood
               )
               before
               it
               was
               broken
               .
               But
               to
               this
               we
               are
               to
               expect
               an
               Answer
               .
            
             
               
                 But
                 he
                 adds
                 ▪
              
               (
               2.
               )
               Moreover
               these
               words
               [
               which
               is
               broken
               ]
               do
               prove
               (
               as
               the
               Holy
               Catholick
               Church
               always
               did
               ,
               and
               ever
               will
               hold
               )
               it
               to
               be
               a
               true
               ,
               proper
               Sacrifice
               ;
               for
               the
               being
               broken
               ,
               explains
               the
               Nature
               of
               a
               Sacrifice
               ,
               which
               imports
               the
               destruction
               of
               the
               thing
               offered
               ,
               if
               corruptible
               and
               liable
               to
               destruction
               :
               But
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               being
               Incorruptible
               and
               Immortal
               ,
               can't
               be
               really
               hurt
               ,
               therefore
               the
               manner
               of
               breaking
               ,
               is
               only
               Mystical
               and
               Representative
               .
            
             
               Setting
               aside
               that
               what
               he
               saith
               concerning
               the
               Catholick
               Church
               ,
               is
               spoken
               Gratis
               ,
               I
               answer
               ,
               If
               the
               nature
               of
               a
               Sacrifice
               
                 imports
                 the
                 destruction
                 of
                 the
                 thing
                 offered
                 ,
                 if
                 corruptible
                 and
                 liable
                 to
                 destruction
                 ,
              
               then
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               must
               have
               been
               destroy'd
               (
               if
               a
               
                 proper
                 Sacrifice
              
               )
               before
               it
               was
               destroy'd
               ;
               for
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               (
               when
               Christ
               spoke
               these
               words
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
              
               )
               was
               certainly
               
                 liable
                 to
                 destruction
              
               .
               And
               so
               he
               has
               fastned
               the
               Objection
               ,
               instead
               of
               answering
               it
               .
            
             
               (
               3.
               )
               
                 He
                 concludes
              
               ,
               If
               this
               manner
               of
               Breaking
               ,
               pleases
               not
               the
               Gentleman
               
                 (
                 as
                 in
                 truth
                 it
                 doth
                 not
                 ,
                 and
                 he
                 has
                 now
                 given
                 his
                 Reasons
                 for
                 it
                 )
              
               let
               us
               see
               whether
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               were
               not
               otherwise
               Broke
               before
               he
               instituted
               the
               Sacrament
               .
               Now
               his
               Body
               was
               pierced
               ,
               and
               Blood
               spilt
               at
               his
               Circumcision
               ,
               followed
               by
               unspeakable
               Pains
               ,
               restless
               Labours
               ,
               &c.
               
               What
               his
               Agony
               in
               the
               Garden
               ?
               What
               his
               being
               crowned
               with
               Thorns
               and
               Bloody
               Whipping
               at
               the
               Pillar
               ?
               —
               Wherefore
               
               with
               Truth
               our
               Saviour
               might
               have
               said
               of
               his
               Body
               [
               which
               is
               broke
               ]
               without
               supposing
               any
               thing
               improper
               or
               untrue
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               
                 What
                 doth
                 our
                 Author
                 mean
                 when
                 he
                 saith
                 he
                 would
              
               see
               ,
               Whether
               the
               Body
               of
               Christ
               were
               not
               otherwise
               broken
               before
               he
               instituted
               the
               Sacrament
               :
               
                 And
                 instances
                 in
                 his
              
               Agony
               in
               the
               Garden
               ,
               his
               crowning
               with
               Thorns
               ,
               and
               whipping
               ?
               
                 Doth
                 he
                 think
                 these
                 were
                 before
                 the
                 Sacrament
                 ?
              
            
             
               2.
               
               If
               this
               was
               the
               meaning
               of
               our
               Saviour
               ,
               when
               he
               said
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
                 which
                 is
                 broken
                 ,
              
               that
               he
               was
               Circumcised
               ,
               and
               in
               an
               Agony
               ,
               &c.
               then
               where
               is
               the
               Sacrifice
               ,
               which
               he
               saith
               ,
               
                 imparts
                 the
                 destruction
                 of
                 the
                 thing
                 ?
              
               Which
               these
               things
               were
               neither
               literally
               nor
               mystically
               .
            
             
               Arg.
               3.
               
               The
               Answerer
               urged
               ,
               that
               Jesus
               himself
               then
               took
               the
               Bread
               ,
               &c.
               when
               he
               said
               ,
               
                 This
                 is
                 my
                 Body
              
               ,
               and
               yet
               Jesus
               had
               at
               that
               time
               a
               Body
               which
               was
               not
               broken
               ,
               &c.
               no
               not
               so
               much
               as
               mystically
               .
               So
               that
               the
               same
               Body
               was
               whole
               and
               broken
               .
               Here
               our
               Author
               is
               silent
               .
            
             
               Arg.
               4.
               
               He
               argued
               from
               the
               words
               ,
               
                 Do
                 this
                 in
                 Remembrance
                 of
                 me
                 ,
              
               which
               supposes
               absence
               ;
               and
               therefore
               an
               Institution
               set
               up
               in
               remembrance
               ,
               and
               yet
               in
               which
               the
               Body
               was
               to
               be
               actually
               present
               ,
               is
               to
               suppose
               the
               Body
               to
               be
               absent
               and
               present
               at
               the
               same
               time
               .
            
             
               To
               this
               he
               answers
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               That
               those
               words
               no
               way
               relate
               to
               the
               Laity
               ,
               who
               only
               receive
               the
               Sacrament
               ,
               but
               to
               the
               Priests
               ,
               who
               consecrate
               and
               administer
               ,
               for
               it
               's
               no
               where
               said
               ,
               This
               Eat
               ,
               This
               Take
               ,
               This
               Receive
               ,
               but
               ,
               This
               Do.
               
            
             
               A.
               1.
               
               If
               this
               be
               so
               ,
               then
               there
               is
               no
               command
               to
               the
               People
               to
               receive
               .
            
             
               2.
               
               To
               whom
               did
               the
               Apostle
               write
               his
               Epistle
               ,
               but
               to
               Laity
               as
               well
               as
               Priests
               .
            
             
               3.
               
               
                 Surely
                 he
                 did
                 not
                 read
              
               1
               Cor.
               11.
               24.
               
                 where
                 the
                 Apostle
                 saith
              
               ,
               Take
               ,
               Eat
               ,
               This
               is
               my
               Body
               .
               This
               do
               ;
               
                 What
                 ?
                 but
                 ,
                 Take
                 ,
                 Eat
                 ;
                 so
                 v.
              
               25.
               
               This
               do
               ye
               ,
               as
               oft
               as
               ye
               drink
               it
               in
               remembrance
               of
               me
               .
               This
               do
               :
               
                 What
                 ?
                 but
              
               ,
               Drink
               this
               .
            
             
               But
               after
               all
               ,
               what
               is
               this
               to
               the
               Argument
               ?
               For
               whether
               these
               Words
               were
               spoke
               to
               the
               Laity
               or
               Priests
               ,
               relates
               not
               to
               the
               Case
               ;
               but
               the
               Question
               is
               ,
               Whether
               Remembrance
               of
               Persons
               ,
               is
               in
               its
               true
               Notion
               consistent
               with
               Presence
               ?
            
             
             
               To
               this
               he
               answers
               ,
            
             
               The
               Seeker
               unanswerably
               observed
               ,
               that
               the
               Remembrance
               of
               its
               Being
               ,
               doth
               no
               way
               make
               it
               cease
               to
               be
               .
               
                 A
                 wise
                 Observation
                 !
                 But
                 what
                 then
                 ?
                 Doth
                 it
                 not
                 suppose
                 the
                 Absence
                 of
                 the
                 thing
                 ?
              
            
             
               
                 This
                 he
                 saith
                 is
                 a
              
               weak
               piece
               of
               Sophistry
               ,
               as
               if
               ,
               
                 saith
                 he
              
               ,
               my
               Remembrance
               of
               your
               being
               with
               me
               ,
               when
               Present
               ,
               did
               any
               wise
               suppose
               your
               Absence
               from
               me
               .
            
             
               But
               I
               thought
               ,
               with
               the
               rest
               of
               Mankind
               ,
               that
               Remembrance
               and
               Sight
               are
               as
               distinct
               in
               their
               notion
               ,
               as
               Absence
               and
               Presence
               ;
               and
               that
               I
               may
               as
               well
               see
               what
               is
               Absent
               ,
               as
               remember
               what
               is
               Present
               :
               What
               is
               Present
               we
               see
               and
               know
               ,
               but
               what
               is
               Unseen
               and
               Absent
               ,
               we
               remember
               .
            
             
               After
               all
               ,
               we
               see
               that
               the
               Author
               has
               left
               no
               Rule
               to
               direct
               a
               true
               Seeker
               to
               ,
               no
               Guide
               to
               direct
               him
               ,
               no
               Arguments
               to
               settle
               his
               wavering
               mind
               ;
               and
               if
               there
               be
               not
               a
               better
               Rule
               ,
               Guide
               ,
               or
               Arguments
               than
               he
               has
               offered
               toward
               his
               Conviction
               ,
               there
               is
               no
               help
               for
               it
               ,
               but
               the
               Seeker
               must
               live
               and
               dye
               a
               Seeker
               .
            
             
               It
               's
               impossible
               to
               convince
               a
               man
               that
               has
               Sense
               and
               Reason
               ,
               that
               he
               must
               not
               use
               them
               ,
               and
               that
               whatever
               use
               they
               may
               be
               of
               in
               Temporal
               Matters
               ,
               they
               ought
               to
               be
               of
               none
               in
               Religion
               :
               and
               he
               that
               will
               undertake
               this
               difficult
               task
               ,
               must
               either
               prove
               he
               doth
               not
               contradict
               himself
               when
               he
               will
               shew
               and
               refer
               him
               to
               the
               Letter
               of
               Scripture
               ,
               and
               wish
               him
               to
               use
               his
               Eyes
               to
               see
               it
               ,
               And
               his
               reason
               to
               judg
               of
               it
               ;
               or
               else
               he
               must
               prove
               that
               both
               parts
               of
               a
               Contradiction
               may
               be
               true
               .
               And
               having
               brought
               our
               Author
               hither
               ,
               I
               may
               safely
               leave
               him
               ,
               and
               conclude
               his
               Argument
               ,
               together
               .
            
             
               FINIS
               .
            
          
        
      
    
     
       
         
           ERRATA
           .
        
         
           PAg.
           10.
           lin
           .
           21.
           for
           
             Seeker
             pag.
          
           6.
           
           [
           Seeker
           pag.
           6.
           ]
           with
           Braces
           .
           P.
           27.
           l.
           32.
           for
           
             whe
             r.
             where
          
           .
        
      
       
         
           ADVERTISEMENT
           .
        
         
           Transubstantiation
           contrary
           to
           Scripture
           ;
           or
           the
           Protestant's
           Answer
           to
           the
           Seeker's
           Request
           .
        
         
           An
           Apology
           for
           the
           Pulpits
           ;
           being
           in
           Answer
           to
           a
           late
           Book
           ,
           Intituled
           ,
           
             Good
             Advice
             to
             the
             Pulpits
          
           .
           Together
           with
           an
           Appendix
           ,
           containing
           a
           Defence
           of
           Dr.
           Tenison's
           Sermon
           about
           Alms
           ;
           in
           a
           Letter
           to
           the
           Author
           of
           this
           Apology
           .
        
         
      
       
         Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
         
           Notes for div A66413-e690
           
             Cath.
             Letter
             to
             a
             Seeker
             ,
             p.
             1.
             and
             34.
             
          
           
             Eccl.
             Hist.
             l.
             1.
             c.
             8.
             
          
           
             Part.
             1.
             
             Sect.
             1.
             
          
           
             Sect.
             2.
             
          
           
             Sect.
             3.
             
          
           
             Part
             2.
             
             Sect.
             1.
             
          
           
             Sect.
             2.