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AN ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS Presented to the MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH of ENGLAND . LONDON : Printed for Ric. Chiswell , at the Rose and Crown in St. Paul's Church-Yard . MDCLXXXVIII . AN ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS Presented to the Ministers of the Church of ENGLAND . An Address Presented to the Reverend and Learned Ministers of the Church of England , by one sincerely desirous of finding out the Truth , in behalf of himself and others equally concern'd , as well for their own as the general Satisfaction . IT 's a hard Shift the present Writers of the Church of Rome among us , are brought to , that when other helps fail them , they take up with such a sort of Arguments , which how useful soever they may prove to make some men of Their Religion , have a plainer tendency to make others of None . Certainly were these persons as much concerned for the Truth of Christianity , as they are for their own Corruptions of it ; or could defend those Corruptions in a better way , they would not put the case upon this extremity ; and had they the Scripture as much for the Church of Rome's Supremacy and Infallibility , &c. as it is for its own sufficiency , the Trinity and Incarnation of our Blessed Saviour , we should have heard more of their Proofs from Scripture , than of Requests and Addresses to the Church of England ( the great Patron it seems of these Points ) to prove from Scripture the Trinity and Incarnation . These Articles of the Christian Faith are an Argument worthy of a serious Consideration , if proposed by one that really needs , as well as he pretends to desire , Satisfaction . But to have a Member of the Church of Rome ( as our Author apparently is ) personating an Arrian and other Hereticks , and in the face of the World requiring Scripture-proof for those above-said Points of Catholick Doctrine : To have this thrust upon us afresh after the unrefuted Answers given to the First Request , the Catholick Dialogue , and the Plea for a Socinian , is no good sign , whatever he pretends , of one sincerely desirous of finding out the Truth ; nor would it be worth the while to take up the Cause anew for his sake , who I am sensible is not to be satisfied in this way , were it not for some better End it may be useful to . The Address consists of several Proposals ; which thus begin : There can be no doubt , but that the main Concern of Man in this Vale of Tears , is the Salvation of his Soul. If this be lost , he loses all ; if this be gained , he gains all , and both for an Eternity . No body then can blame me , if being solicitous to save my Soul , I have recourse to those , whose Learning must needs enable them , and whose Charity cannot but incline them to instruct me in this weighty Affair . I therefore humbly beseech you , most Reverend and Learned Doctors of the Church of England , to afford me a clear and satisfactory Solution of these following Doubts . First , I desire to know , Whether all things necessary to Salvation are contained in Scripture ? If not , where must I seek them ? If they be , then they are either clearly contained in it , so that there is no need of an Interpreter for the meaning of the words ; or not . If there be no need of any such Interpreter , then I humbly ask what these Necessaries to Salvation are , and in what Chapter and Verse of Scripture each of them may be found . For example ; Is the belief of a Trinity , &c. For the clearer understanding of the whole , I shall divide it into several Questions . Q. 1. Whether all things necessary to Salvation are contained in Scripture ? A. If there are things necessary to Salvation that are not contained in Scripture , the World is , for ought I see , at a great loss where to seek them : For nothing can be necessary to Salvation , which was not necessary in the Primitive , and will be so to all succeeding Ages . But where to find those things thus necessary , out of Scripture , that have been of a date and Authority equal to it , I know none that have attempted the discovery : Nor could we ever yet be favoured with an account of what these Necessaries are , and where each of them may be found . So that Scripture must contain these Necessary things , or else we are left without any means of knowing them . And the Scripture must fail of its end , and we of the Salvation therein revealed , if that be not as sufficient in its kind to beget Faith in us , as Faith is to save us . For faith St. John 20.31 . These things are written that ye might believe , that Jesus is the Christ , the Son of God , and that believing ye might have life through his name . Nay , we are as much assured of this , as we are of its Divine Authority ; for the same Apostle that saith , All Scripture is given by Inspiration of God , doth immediately before as positively affirm , that the Scriptures are able to make us wise unto Salvation , 2 Tim. 3.15 , 16. From which Consideration it was , that all doubts relating to Salvation were hereby to be resolved ; which could not be , were not all things necessary to Salvation contained in it . So when that Question was put to our Saviour , Master , what shall I do to inherit eternal life ? He answered , What is written in the Law ? How readest thou ? Thou knowest the Commandments , Luke 10.25 , 26. Mark 10.17 , 19. And that they had Moses and the Prophets , was in his estimation sufficient to dispose them to Repent , without any other Revelation than was therein contained , Luke 16.29 , 30 , 31. Till it can therefore be shewn , that the Scripture was not written to make men wise unto salvation ; or that men might be wise to Salvation without knowing the things necessary to it : Till it can be proved that the Old Testament was not a Rule of Faith and Manners to the Jews in all points necessary to their Salvation ; Or that both Old and New-Testament have not the same end , or not the same sufficiency to that End now to the Christian , as the Old Testament alone had to the Jewish Church ; we have no reason to think the Scripture defective in any thing necessary to Salvation , or that there is any other means provided by God to supply its deficiency therein . And in this Doctrine we are not alone , but have the concurrence of the most Authentick Writers of the Christian Church ; of which sort in particular is that memorable saying of St. Austin , All things which concern Faith and Manners of Life , are found in those things which are plainly contained in Scripture . A Truth that the Writers of the Church of Rome in their soberer thoughts do often acknowledg . So Antoninus A. B. of Florence , God , saith he , hath spoken but once , and that in the Holy Scripture , and that so fully as to meet with all temptations , and all cases that may fall out , and all good works ; that , as Gregory expounds it , he needs speak no more to us concerning any Necessary matter , seeing all things are found in Scripture . Q. 2. Whether all things necessary to Salvation are clearly contained in Scripture ? It was , we have seen , the Opinion of St. Austin , that not only all things thus necessary are contained in Scripture , but also that they are plainly therein contained . And yet neither that Father nor any of the same mind with him ( as who was not then , and who is not now , except the Church of Rome ? ) did ever thereby understand that all these Necessaries are expresly contained in Scripture , since an evident Consequence is equivalent to a plain and express Proposition ; as it was Matt. 22.31 , 32. Nor 2. do they understand by being clearly contained in Scripture , that all persons may immediately learn all Necessaries , by the meer reading of it ( as our Author puts the Case ) without the use of those means for the understanding of it , that God has appointed , and the nature of the thing requires ; such as attention , consideration , and the assistance of Teaching Guides . For the plainness or clearness of the things to be learned and understood , and an Instructor to lead us to or help us in the understanding them , are not only consistent , but generally to be supposed . It 's a good saying of one upon this Argument ; That is not obscure , which by ordinary means may be apprehended ; but that is so which either hath no means at all to open it , or hath such as are not ordinary . Neither 3. can it be supposed that the Scriptures do so clearly contain all things necessary , as that nothing of that kind ever was , or can be excepted against ; For they may be plain , and yet for some prevalent reasons it may not be confessed . They may again be plain , and yet not be understood to be so from several Impediments . Sometimes this proceeds from a natural Impediment , as it is in Children , and such as are of a very weak capacity . And yet even to such St. Austin supposes them to be intelligible , God having bowed down the Scripture to the capacity of Babes and Sucklings , that when proud men will not speak to their capacity , he himself might . Sometimes from moral Impediments , such as prejudices and prepossessions , as it was with the Apostles who understood not our Saviour when he told them openly and plainly , again and again , that he must be killed , Mark 8.31 , 32. 9.31 , 32. Such again are vile affections , as Pride and the Love of the World , Interest and Obstinacy , into which our Saviour resolved the Jews Infidelity , John 5.40 , 44. Such are Partiality , Negligence , Sloth and Inconsideration . There are also Judicial Impediments , when for their contempt and obstinacy , &c. God sends men strong delusions , that they should believe a lye , 2 Thes. 2.10 , 11. But now where those and the like Impediments are not , but that men lay aside all malice , and all guile and hypocrisy , and as new born babes , in the Apostles Phrase , desire the sincere milk of the word that they may grow thereby , 1 Pet. 2.1 , 2. that they come with an honest heart , and use a competent diligence , with a Dependance upon God's assistance for the Wisdom he hath promised , I know nothing necessary to Salvation ( unless what the Church of Rome hath made so ) but what is plainly taught in Scripture , and may be learn'd from it . But without this temper the plainest and most express words , and the necessary meaning of those words will not convince some men . As for Example , what more plain , than that in Exodus 20. there is a 2 d Commandment distinct from the First ? What more plain , than thou shalt not make to thee any graven Image , nor the likeness of any thing , to bow down before it , or worship it ? What more plain , than drink ye all of it , Matth. 26.27 . What more plain , than that Prayer is not to be in an Vnknown Tongue ? 1 Cor. 14. Lastly , what more clear , than that the Scriptures are able to make us wise unto Salvation ? And yet we know where these things will not be confess'd . The Truth is , that as long as there are Prejudices and Interest , and depraved Affections in mankind , Truth will be obscure : And the things that are easy , are yet to Hereticks hard to understand , saith St. Cyril . But the defect in them , makes none in the Scripture , which is as entire , compleat , and clear , when men do disagree about it , as when it is by all unanimously consented to . I shall sum up what I have said in the words of St. Chrysostom , who thus delivers himself upon this Argument , The Scriptures are easy to understand , and exposed to the capacity of every Servant and Plough-man , and Widow , and Boy , and him that is most unwise . And again , Therefore God penned the Scriptures by the hands of Publicans , Fisher-men , Tent-makers , Shepherds , Neat-herds , and unlearned Men , that none of the simple People might have any excuse from reading , and that so they might be easie to be understood of all men , the Artificer , the Housholder , and Widow-woman , and him that is most unlearned : Tea the Apostles and Prophets , as School-masters to all the world , made their Writings plain and evident to all men ; so that every man of himself only , by reading them , might learn the things spoken therein . If the Reader desires further satisfaction , he may find it in a Learned Book newly publish'd , called , A Discourse concerning the Nature and Grounds of the certainty of Faith , p. 40 , 80 , 81 , &c. Q. 3. What are these Necessaries to Salvation ? Our Author offers Three Instances of such Necessaries as are not clearly revealed in Scripture , viz. The Trinity , the Incarnation of our Saviour , and the observation of the Lord's Day . Of the first of these he thus discourses . For Example ; Is the Belief of a Trinity , One God and Three Persons , necessary to Salvation ? If it be , as the Creed of S. Athanasius ▪ assures us it is , in what Chapter and Verse of Scripture is it clearly expressed ? If you send me to the 1 Epist. of S. John , Chap. 5. Ver. 7. where we read , There are Three who give Testimony in Heaven , the Father , the Word , and Holy Ghost , and these Three are One ; or to the Gospel of S. John , Chap. 10. Ver. 50. I and my Father are One ; I desire you to shew clearly out of Scripture , that the word One here signifies a strict Identity or Vnity of Substance , as the Church of England holds ; not a meer Moral Vnion , as many Learned Arrians and others will have it , and as we all confess the same word signifies in S. John , Chap. 17. Ver. 21. where our Lord Prays that all Believers may be One , as he and his Father are One ; where certainly he cannot be supposed to mean One in Substance . In what Verse then and Chapter in Scripture have we these or the like words , The word One in the 1 Epist. of S. John , Item in S. John ' s Gospel , signifies a strict Identity ; which notwithstanding I conceive ought to be , if all Necessaries to Salvation be clearly contained in Scripture . Now if the Belief of a Trinity be not necessary to Salvation , I desire it may be clearly owned in these or the like words : 'T is not necessary for Salvation to believe Three Persons and one God , notwithstanding the Creed of S. Athanasius , and Definition of the first Council of Nice , when the Church was in her Purity , not the least corrupted . The sum of our Author's Argument is this , That the Doctrine of the Trinity is not clearly contained in Scripture , because Unity in some places signifies not a Unity of Essence , but of Will ; which way of arguing supposes that if a word be taken in two or more different senses , then the Scripture doth not clearly contain the things contained in those words . As for Example ; the word , Door , is sometimes taken in Scripture in a proper sense , sometimes in a Metaphorical ; and being thus differently taken , we cannot according to him , certainly know when it is to be understood Properly , and when Metaphorically ; and must be at a perfect loss to understand , whether when our Saviour is called a Door , John 10.7 . it 's not meant properly ; and when St. Peter is said to stand at the Door , John 18.16 . it 's not meant Metaphorically . Or to come nearer to our Author , the Body of Christ is sometimes taken for a Natural , sometimes for a Mystical Body ; and therefore we cannot be certainly assured , whether when Joseph begg'd the Body of Jesus , it 's not to be understood of the Mystical Body ; and that when the Apostles and Prophets , &c. were given for the edifying the Body of Christ , Eph. 4.11 , 12. it 's not to be understood of Christ's Natural Body . In this so difficult a case , which is absolutely necessary to be answer'd for the salvation of his Soul , p. 4. ( if you will believe the Addresser ) What is to be done ? What in reason will content him ? It 's nothing less than this , That it be shewn , that in some Verse and Chapter in Scripture , we have these or the like words , — The Word One in St. John ' s Epistle , signifies a strict Identity : And he might have gone on without end in the same way ; and one as obstinate as himself , may say , Shew me some other Chapter and Verse , wherein it is said , that the word Door , John 10. is to be understood Metaphorically , and the word Body , Ephes. 4. is to be understood Mystically ; or else it is apparent that we cannot know what Door , Proper or Metaphorical ; or what Body , whether Natural or Mystical , is meant in those places ; for , This ought to be , if these things are clearly contained in Scripture . This is a Thought , for ought I know , peculiar to our Author , ( for I don't find this Address comes out with other Allowance , than Printed for R. Taylor ) ; and as I do not envy him the Glory of the Invention , so I shall leave him the satisfaction of self-enjoyment . Indeed his Friends the Learned Arrians went not his way in opposing the Trinity , nor the Orthodox in defending it ; and therefore if this Point was now to be argued , the Ministers of the Church of England , that hold with the Orthodox , and amongst other places produce this of 1 John 5.7 . for it , would say , that it 's as plainly said , The Father , Word , and Holy Ghost are One , as that they are Three ; and that tho Unity is sometimes taken in a Moral sense , as John 17.21 . yet the arguing of St. John in the former place , shews it not to be understood in the same sense as the latter ; he making a plain difference betwixt the Unity that is betwixt the Three that bear record in Heaven , and the Three that bear witness in Earth ; for of the Three that bear Record in Heaven , it 's said , They are one ; but of the Three that bear witness on Earth , it 's said , They agree in One. Now if it had been a mere Moral Union that was betwixt the Father , Word , and Holy Ghost ( who are the Three in Heaven ) it would have been as well said of them , as of the Spirit , the Water and the Blood ( which are the Three in Earth ) that they Agree in One. In like manner would the Ministers of the Church of England support the proof of this Article from John 10.30 . I and my Father are One , and shew that it 's to be understood of the Unity of Essence , and not of mere Will and Consent ; because the Jews took up stones to stone him for blasphemy , and because that thou being a man , makest thy self God. But since there is a Union that may be betwixt God and Man without making man to be God , as it is John 17.21 . it follows that neither did our Saviour speak , nor the Jews understand him to have spoken of a Moral , but a Natural Union ; but for this let me recommend the Addresser to the Second Part of the Dialogue concerning the Doctrine of the Trinity and Transubstantiation compared , p. 10 , 11. and Published the last Year . His second Instance is of the Incarnation ; of which he saith , Again , Is the Belief of the Incarnation necessary for Salvation ? Where is it clearly expressed in Scripture ? You refer me to S. John , chap. 1. The Word is made Flesh. But you know that many Learned Men , Nestorius and others , denied that word to signifie a strict Incarnation , but either a Moral Vnion , or a meer external appearance of a Man , as those who held Christ not to have a real but a phantastick Body . Now be pleased to shew me in what Verse or Chapter it is clearly expressed , that the said words signifie a strict Incarnation ? But if you deny the belief of this Mystery to be necessary to Salvation , own it , for our satisfaction , in these or the like words : It is not necessary for Salvation to believe , that the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity was made true Man. And if the Belief of neither Trinity nor Incarnation are necessary , shew me what 't is , and where expressed in Scripture . Setting aside what the Opinion of Nestorius was ( which our Author for ought I perceive understands not ) the sum of what is said , amounts to this , That the Scripture is not clear in this Point ; because , as he saith , Many learned Men , Nestorius and others , deny that word [ he means that phrase ] to signifie strict Incarnation . So that if a learned Man , or learned Men dispute the Point , that Point so disputed , or the words expressing it , cannot be clear , or the Sense certain . But I have before shewed that this is no reason against the perspicuity of Scripture in such a case , because nothing can be clearer express'd than many of those things which are sometimes made matter of Disputation . As what can be clearer , than that Christ had a Body of Flesh and Bones ? Yet there were some of our Authors Learned men , that held Christ was a meer external appearance of a man ; and not to have a real , but a phantastic Body . And the Ministers of the Church of England , notwithstanding the denial of his learned Men , do yet maintain the Incarnation of our blessed Saviour to be evidently delivered in the words , The word was ( not is , as he mistakes ) made Flesh. For who was the Word , but he that is called God , ver . 1. that made all things ? ver . 3. And what was his being made Flesh , but his being made of the Seed of David ? Rom. 1.3 . And how was he made Flesh , but by being united to it , and becoming Man ? Now if the Word , that was God , was the Word and not Man , before he was made Flesh ; and when he was made Flesh , did not cease to be the Word , then there must be in him two Natures united , which is the Incarnation . His 3 d Instance is , as he saith , in order to Practice , and the Query upon it , is , Then in order to Practice , I desire to know , whether it be necessary to Salvation , to keep holy the Lord's-Day , that is , Sunday and not Saturday . If it be , I desire to know in what Chapter and Verse it is clearly contained in Scripture ; as also where the Abrogation of the Saturday is clearly expressed ? If it be not necessary for Salvation to keep holy the Lord's-Day , I desire your warrant for it in these or the like terms : It is not necessary to keep holy the Lord's-Day , that is , Sunday . To this I answer , That the obligation to observe the Lord's-Day is more or less necessary or unnecessary , according to the Institution of it ; for such as the Institution is , such is the Obligation . If it be of mere Humane and Ecclesiastical institution , it may by the same Authority be altered as it was established : If of Divine Institution , it 's not subject to humane arbitration . And if it be of Divine Institution , we must have it by the Revelation in Scripture , or else it cannot be Divine . And that it 's established upon such Authority , I shall offer these considerations : 1. There is as much in the Reason of the thing for this peculiar Day to be observed in the Christian Church , as there was for the Sabbath in the Patriarchal and Jewish Church ; for what the Moral Sabbath was to Man upon his Creation , and the Ceremonial Sabbath was to the Jews upon their Deliverance out of Egypt , Deut. 5.15 . that is the First Day of t●● Week , or the Lord's Day to Christians , upon our Redemption by Christ , which was accomplished and testified in his Resurrection on that Day . 2. There is the Mark of Divine Institution set upon it , when that which was otherwise called the first Day of the week , was afterwards called the Lord's Day , Rev. 1.10 . It being usual in Scripture after that Times , Places , Things , and Persons were set apart for the Service of God by Divine Institution , to have his Name as a Mark of Propriety given to them : Thus we read of the Lord 's Passover , Exod. 12.11 . The Sabbath of the Lord , Exod. 20.10 . The Temple of the Lord. The Lord's S●pper , 1 Cor. 11.20 . Now I know not what Reason can be assigned , that when the Things thus dignified by this Title , are elsewhere of Divine Institution , and so named because of that Institution ; that this Day should be called the Lord's Day , and not be of Divine , but Humane Institution . 3. We may observe further , That as the New World of Redemption began upon that Day , so upon the same Day did Christ solemnly consecrate the Christian Church by the Descent of the Holy-Ghost upon the Apostles , Acts 2.1 , 2. ( as of old , the Jewish Church was by a Cloud or Divine Appearance , Exod. 40.34 . 1 Kings 8.10 , 11. ) which they had the Promise of , and until which , they were not to depart from Jerusalem , and to enter upon the work of gathering a Church , Acts 1.4 . 4. It was the Day which the Primitive Christians in the Apostolical times held their stated Assemblies upon for Divine Worship ; as appears Acts 20.7 . 1 Cor. 16.2 . This may suffice for the first branch of his Query , I desire to know in what Chapter and Verse it is clearly contained in Scripture . His next is , Where the Abrogation of the Saturday [ he means the Sabbath ] is clearly expressed ? I may answer him , it 's in the same Chapter and Verse where the Abrogation of Circumcision is clearly expressed . And when he can find out Chapter and Verse for the one , I will undertake to shew him Chapter and Verse for the other . Indeed there was no need of an express Abrogation of either ; For Baptism being instituted by Christ as a means of Initiation into his Church ; Circumcision that was the old way of admission , must fall in course , because the one was inconsistent with the other . So the Lord's Day being set a-part for the publick and solemn Worship of God in the Christian Church , the Sabbath that was before appointed for it , must in reason surrender to it . So the Apostle , Col. 2.16 , 17. Let no man judge you in meat , or drink , or in respect of an holy-day , or of new-moons , or of th● sabbath [ days ] which are a shadow of things to come , but the body is of Christ. Where the word , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , tho in the plural , signifies the Seventh day , or Jewish Sabbath , as it doth Matt. 25.10 , 12. and for the most part in the New-Testament : And which being a shadow , as well as Meats and Drinks , Holy-days and New-Moons , was with those , and for the same reasons , to cease by the coming of Christ. Now , as the Institution of Baptism abrogated Circumcision , and the Lord's Day abrogated the Sabbath ; so we may certainly infer , that if the Sabbath was a shadow , and abrogated as such ( which the Apostle here asserts ) that there was some other day instituted in the place of it ; ( these things mutually inferring each other ) and what that day is , I may leave to our Author's guess , without again going to Chapter and Verse . If you say that everyone is only bound to believe what is clear to him in Scripture , reading it with Sincerity and Humility ; then I must desire to know , What if I , reading Scripture Sincerely and with Humility , cannot find clearly expressed either the Trinity or Incarnation ? will it not be necessary for the Salvation of my Soul to believe these two Mysteries ? I Answer , 1. Sincerity and Humility , do imply the due use of all the means a person hath in possession , for the finding out the Truth ; such as diligent reading the Word of God , Prayers , and Consultation with such as are most able and fit to assist him : And where this temper is , and this course is taken , there will never be wanting what is necessary . John 7.17 . If any man will do his will , he shall know of the doctrine , whether it be of God , or whether I speak of my self . 2. No man can believe but according to the motives of credibility , and the reasons he hath for his Faith. An obligation lies upon all to believe all things necessary to Salvation ; but that is when they are proposed : and according to the Evidence , so we are to believe , and so only we can . And yet we do not say as this Writer words it , That Every one is only Bound to believe what is clear to him in Scripture . For the Obligation to believe , doth not depend upon his Understanding , but the Authority of the Revelation ; his want of understanding may be taken as an excuse for his want of Faith , but doth not diminish his obligation to believe . 3. No man shall answer for what he had not a power to do ; and if he wants the Means , or fails of the End in a due use of those Means , it shall not be imputed to him , John 15.22 . If I had not come and spoken unto them , they had not had sin . I do not question , but as he that is truly sincere would believe if he was able , and could see into the strength of evidence for it , so that this ingenuous disposition of mind will be a reason for Almighty God to give him that Faith which is necessary , or to pardon the want of it ; and if I was to chuse , I had rather be sincere and err in a Matter of Faith , than believe upon the full Conviction of the Truth , and yet not be sincere in the p●ofession of it ; being sensible that what is involuntary is a less sin than what is voluntary ; and that I shall suffer less for a fault in my Understanding , which I could not help , than for a fault in my Will , which I might . Therefore let a person first learn Sincerity and Humility , and read the Scripture sincerely and with Humility , and then he will be sure to find all Truths necessary to Salvation , so clearly and sufficiently expressed therein , that he will be thereby convinced of it ; or if he fail in it , he may be sure his Sincerity and Humility will do more through the Grace and Mercy of God in Christ to save him , than the want of a Belief of some things otherwise necessary , can do to damn him . Put the Case I have recourse ( as by these I have ) to Church Guides , and they tell me I must believe those Mysteries : Is it necessary I believe these Guides ? If it be , then Scripture alone is not clear in Necessaries to Salvation ; for here I am obliged to believe what is not clear to me in Scripture . Again , am I bound to keep holy Sunday , tho I find no Precept for it in Scripture , and not Saturday , tho I find an express Command for it , no-where Abregated in Scripture , because my Guides tell me I must do so ? If I must , then Guides are necessary to Salvation , and Scripture alone without them is not sufficient . Be pleased to own this Proposition — Scripture alone is not sufficient , without Guides to Interpret it . If notwithstanding my Guides , I am not bound to believe either Trinity or Incarnation , or observe Sunday , then I must beg of you to warrant with your Authority these words : I am not bound to keep holy the Lord's-Day or Sunday , tho the Guides of the Church tell me I must , if I cannnot find it clearly in Scripture . But you tell me , That Necessaries to Salvation are either clear in Scripture , or evidently deduced out of Scripture . Very well . Assign then these Necessaries , and deduce them out of Scripture ; shew the Verse and Chapter from whence is evidently deduced an Obligation to keep holy Sunday and not Saturday . Again , the Evidence of that Deduction is either had immediately from the meer reading of Scripture , without help of Guides , and then I desire to see the Places from whence these Necessaries are evidently inferr'd ; or it cannot be had but by the help of Guides , and then the Scripture alone is not sufficient . What he here saith concerning Church-Guides , and Deductions from Scripture , has been before in good part prevented , and shall have a farther Reply . But I cannot but observe , before I proceed , how our Author doth all along rather design to amuse his Reader , than to come to the Point ; of which there is not a Paragraph , but is an Evidence . As for Instance , 1. He thus argues , If all things necessary to Salvation are contained in Scripture , then they are either clearly contained in it , so that there is no need of an Interpreter for the meaning of the words , or not , p. 1. Now he cannot but know , that an Interpreter for the meaning of the words , is no more denied by us , than it is sufficient for them ; without he understands more by Meaning of the Words , than he cared his Reader should at first perceive . 2. He argues again , Put the case I have recourse to Church-Guides , and they tell me I must believe those Mysteries ; is it Necessary I believe those Guides ? — Am I bound because my Guides tell me I must do so ? Now he knows that such Guides as it 's necessary to believe , are the Guides they indeed would have , but we deny . 3. He proceeds , The evidence of the Deduction is either had immediately from the mere reading of Scripture , without help of Guides ; or &c. Now who ever said , that all Necessaries are to be learned by all persons by the mere reading of Scripture without the use of Means , such as Attention , Consideration , Prayer , Interpreters , and Guides ? 4. He then infers fallaciously , Or it cannot be had but by the help of Guides , and then the Scripture alone is not sufficient : For when the Scripture alone is said to be sufficient , it 's meant so as to contain all things necessary to Salvation ; it 's sufficient as a Rule for all things belonging to Faith and Manners , so as to exclude the Necessity of any other Rule of that kind : But it 's not so alone sufficient as to exclude all Means by which it 's to be understood . 5. He farther conceals himself , when after he had applied the case to Church-Guides , as if he would be understood of private and ordinary Teachers in the Church , he at last lodges it in the bosom of some stated and universal Infallible and unerring Guide , as in the next Question . Secondly , But if all Necssaries to Salvation be not clear enough in Scripture to be understood without an Interpreter , then it will be necessary to know who and where the Interpreter is . If you remit me to the Decision of the true Church , it will be necessary to know whi●h is that Church . If you tell me all Christian Churches joined together , then it follows that I am bound to believe nothing but what all Christians agree in ; for what they disagree in , cannot be the Sentiment or Decision of the whole Church , but only of a part of it . I am not then obliged to believe the Trinity ; for the Arians , tho Christians , deny it . I am not obliged to believe the Incarnation , for many Christians deny that Christ was God made Man by a strict Incarnation , but only by a Moral Vnion ; that is , he was a Man who had the Authority of God , as his Plenipotentiary , and the like . Now then let me know on what all Christians agree , and let me have your Warrant that I am bound to believe neither the Trinity nor Incarnation , nor any thing wherein all Christians do not agree . Now if you tell me I am obliged to stand to the Determination of one particular Church , or some and not all , tell me which , and why that or those more than others ? What Church , for Example , were particular Persons bound to follow Two hundred years ago before the Reformation ? Our Author at first put the Question , Whether all things necessary to Salvation are contained in Scripture ? And upon this he argues , If they be , then they are either clearly contained in it , so that there is no need of an Interpreter for the meaning of them , or not . If the Addresser could have gained the first Point , That all necessaries are not contained in Scripture , then the Case lay fair before him , and it would follow ( as he supposes ) that there must be some external and speaking Authority from whence those Necessaries not contained in Scripture , are to be received , and where they are to be fought : This is a Case he puts to the Question , If not , where must I seek them ? But there he leaves it : Indeed it was a tender Point , because of late they would have us believe that they have Scripture for what they differ from us in ; and then to talk of Necessaries not to be found in Scripture , and to instance in those Necessaries , would be to give up that Cause which they have so much laboured to support in that way ; and to tell the World that the Church of Rome is the Treasurer of all those Necessaries , is a Doctrine not so suitable to the Genius of the present Age , as it was to others heretofore . But if that would not be yielded , That all Necessaries are not contained in Scripture , he then puts in with a Second , That they are not so Clearly contained in it , as not to need an Interpreter ; and if this be yielded , he would in his own opinion , save his Cause ; for then he concludes there must be some Guide and Interpreter , and it will be necessary to know who and where the Interpreter is . Now if we may guess what kind of Interpreter or Guide it is that he would have , it 's one that is necessary for all to believe , and whose Interpretation all are obliged to receive ; a Guide that is a Judg , and whose Judgment is absolute , final , and conclusive , into which all is to be resolved , and from which there is no appeal ; that is to teach all Necessaries to Salvation not contained in Scripture ; and to interpret the meaning of those that are ; without which we cannot know whether there be a Trinity , or our Saviour was Incarnate ; and upon whose determination all the Articles of our Faith do depend for their declaration . Here the Case is immutably fixed , says our Author , I must believe ; it 's necessary to believe ; I am obliged to believe , and am bound to follow ; as he puts the Case . But now we that are for Ministerial Guides and Interpreters that are appointed by God for the teaching his Church , and whose Office it is to teach them so as they may understand and judg for themselves , know nothing of such a Guide as he would introduce upon us ; and we have reason to be cautious , when we find both the Apostle declaring against it , 2 Cor. 1.24 . Not for that we have dominion over your Faith , but are helpers ; and our Saviour warning us against such an Imposition , Matth. 23.8 , 9 , 10. Call no man master on earth , for one is your master . It 's his Prerogative alone to challenge such an absolute submission from us ; and it 's a gross Usurpation in any other to claim and assume it : So that we may leave our Author to find out , Who , and where the Interpreter is ; for we own no such Guide or Interpreter as he would impose upon us , whether he means by it any particular Church , or any part or Society of that Church , or indeed any humane Authority whatsoever . And when he or his Partizans think it worth the while to undertake the proof of it , and shall as clearly prove it as the Trinity and Incarnation are from Scripture ; we that profess the latter , and are as sincerely desirous of finding out the Truth as he can be , do promise him to own the former ; and for this Reason , and that they may have a fair occasion offered to try their skill upon it , I shall put the Case a little forward . I am sensible our Author would take it in good part to have it granted that all things necessary to Salvation are not contained in Scripture , and to have it brought to his first Question , If so , where must I seek them ? Or that , They are not clear enough in Scripture without an Interpreter ; that at least the next Question may be brought on , Who , and where the Interpreter is ? And therefore to gratifie him as much as I can , I shall for the present suppose that all things necessary are not in Scripture ; and then in his order and words , I ask , What those necessaries to Salvation are , that are not contained in Scripture , and where each of them may be found ? Now he that supposes this , must proceed upon the Principles of the Church of Rome ( since no Church besides , that I know of , is of this mind . ) And whither may we expect to be directed so soon as to the Creed of Pope Pius IV. which contains the chief of those Doctrines they differ from other Churches in , and which are made as necessary to be received and believed , as the Articles of the Nicene Creed , being by that Pope's Authority , in consequence of the Order of the Council of Trent , incorporated into one and the same Profession of Faith. By which means they are forced upon one of these two Difficulties , either to prove their new-coined Articles by Scripture as well as those of the Nicene Creed ; or to show that the Articles of the Nicene Creed are no more to be proved from Scripture , without Tradition and the Churches Explication , than those of Pope Pius : The former they are never able to do , and all their attempts that way have proved vain and unsuccessful ; and therefore they have taken several ways for the latter , sometimes detracting from the Sufficiency or Perspicuity of Scripture , at other times exalting Tradition , and Church-Authority to an equality with it . For since all these Points are made by this means equally necessary to Salvation ; and since it 's as necessary to believe on pain of Damnation , That the Church of Rome is the Mother and Mistress of all Churches ; and that the Body and Blood of Christ are truly , really , and substantially , together with his Soul and Divinity , in the Sacrament , and the whole Substance of the Bread is turned into the Body , and the whole Substance of the Wine into his Blood , &c. Since it 's as necessary to believe this , as the Being of a God , the Trinity , and Incarnation of our Blessed Saviour , and that they are sensible they are not to be proved in the same way , they find themselves obliged to give the same Authority to one as the other , and to bring down the Scripture to the Church , or exalt the Church to the Authority of Scripture . So that if we will look for things necessary , not contained in Scripture , we must have recourse to the Church , which can , as they say , ordain new Articles of Faith , and which whenever so ordained are as much to be believed and received as those which have their Authority immediately from Scripture . And after our Author hath beat about , and done his endeavour to loosen the Articles of our Faith from the written Revelation , and the Foundation of the Prophets and Apostles ; hither he would bring the Case , that we are obliged to stand to the Determination of one particular Church , as he insinuates , page 4. But now to return his own words upon him , If you remit me to the Decision of the true Church , it will be necessary to know which is that Church . For since there are several pretenders , and there are Christian Arrians , as he saith , and many other Dissenters , how shall I find out this True Church , and why that more than others ? Is it because she herself saith she is the True Church ? All the rest claim the like Character of being a True Church ; and besides ; this is to demand the thing that is to be proved . Is it that she is like a City upon an Hill , or the Sun in the Firmament , to be known by a self-evident Light ? Why is it not then as well known , and indisputably owned to be the true Church , and the only True Church , as a City to be a City , or the Sun to be the Sun ? Is it to be found out by the Notes and Marks of the True Church ? Then we must find out the Marks before we find out the Church that is to be known by them . And then the pinching Question comes on , Where must I seek these Notes ? It 's to be feared that will lead us to the Scripture ; and then we know what follows . Lastly , Are we to find out the Church by an Infallible Guide ? Then we are to find such a Guide out of the Church ; and that we have no direction where to seek , or by what Notes we may know it . Here indeed we are left in a Maze to beat out the way , and they that have made the Church a Guide , have appointed no Guide to lead us to the Church . That is a Track we must find of our selves , there we must use our own simple Reason , Consideration , and Enquiry . So that how certain soever we may be when in the Church , we can never be infallibly certain which is the Church that we are bound to follow ; because this kind of certainty is peculiar to the Church , and not to be had out of it . But since we have gone thus far upon Supposition , let us take it for granted once more , that the Church is upon the Hill visible and demonstrable , yet because the Church is a Collective Body , where is the Seat of that Infallible Authority , that I am to attend to , and finally to be determined by ? Is it in every particular person ? Then because Infallibility knows no degrees , I my self should in that Church be as Infallible as the Supreme Pastor of it . Is it in one particular person , or in a General Council ? Who , and where is it ? Must I suspend till I know , or till all the parts of the Church agree in it ? If you tell me all joyned together ( as our Author has taught me to Reason ) then it follows I am bound to believe nothing of this kind , but what all agree in ; for what they disagree in , cannot be the Sentiment or Decision of the whole Church , but only of a part of it . I am not then obliged to believe the Pope's Infallibility ; for the Councils of Basil and Constance , and the French Church , tho Papists deny it . Nor am I obliged to believe a Council Infallible without the Pope , because those at Rome deny it . And because what 's a good Argument in one case , is good in another ; let me have our Author's Warrant , that I am bound to believe neither Infallible , since neither of these agree with the other . For certainly I am no more obliged to believe the Infallibility of their Church , which they do thus disagree in , than our Author would perswade us that we are not obliged to believe the Trinity , because the Arrians , tho Christians , deny it . But supposing that the Seat of Infallibility be clear and evident ; Yet how can I , that am at a vast distance of years or place from that Oracle , whatever it is , be infallibly assured that these that are put into my hands are the very Results and Decrees of that Authority ? Or that this that I think , or am told , is the true and undoubted sense of them ? Or ( to speak modestly ) How can I be as much assured of the Truth of these matters , as I am of the Authority and Sence of Scripture ? Or that Christ hath not spoken as plainly and intelligibly in the Scriptures , as his Vicar or Substitutes have in any of their Canons and Decrees ? So that tho the Church be Infallible , and I a Member of that Infallible Church ; yet what will that Infallibility avail me , when I am without the doors of that Infallible Council , or out of the reach of the immediate Dictates of the Infallible Chair ? And unless the spirit of Infallibility descends from the Chair to the meanest Priest who is to instruct and direct me ; or is indorsed upon every Decree , and inspires every Article with its own unerring sense ; I am not infallibly certain . And I may be no more certain of the true Doctrine of the Infallible Church , than I am of the sense of Scripture under the Conduct of a Fallible Church ; since the immediate Authority I depend upon for the Doctrine , and the Sense of it , is all this while Fallible . As for example , I am told that there is such a Creed as that before mentioned of Pope Pius IV. that contains in it such Articles that every one is so bound to believe , as without the belief of which no Man can be saved : And I find in that Creed , that the Church of Rome is the Mother and Mistress of all Churches . And yet how shall I be Infallibly assured , first , that there ever was such a person as Pope Pius the 4th ? or that he ever composed such a Creed ? or that the foresaid Supremacy of the Church of Rome is one of those Articles ? The Pope I never saw , nor am like to see . A Council is a rare thing , and what they care not to hear of at Rome , and are able to do as well without as with it . And therefore where shall I be infallibly instructed in these matters ? How shall I then be sure that the Article aforesaid is not to be understood , that the Church of Rome is the Mistress of all Churches within the particular Diocess of Rome only ? For here is a different use of the same Word ; and if , in our Author's way of Arguing , a different use of the same word will render us uncapable of attaining the sense contained in these words , it would be to little purpose to read the word without an Infallible Assistant always at hand to explain it clearly and certainly to us . So that if there be no better way to end the many Controversies of this Age , than what he calls the only and surest way , they are likely to continue for his time . And if their Church has no surer way to bring the Case to an issue , than this of exposing Christianity to save themselves , they will as soon make men to quit all Religion , as that which they have , to be of theirs , of which they cannot be , but by subverting those Principles upon which the best Religion in the World , the Christian , is supported . Here I might have concluded ; but our Author may take it ill , if after I have traced him from Paragraph to Paragraph , I should leave out his pathetical Conclusion , which is as follows : I conceive , an Answer to these Doubts absolutely necessary for the Salvation of my Soul. For how can I be saved , if I know not what is necessary thereunto ? I need not say a satisfactory one , for no other can flow from your Learned and virtuous Pens ; I only fear that some Pin-feather'd Divine , out of an itch to appear in Print , may prevent yours , and put me off with a Flim-flam , or an uncharitable Jeer , or Railing against some particular Church he may fancy me to be of , which is nothing to my purpose , who seek where I may find securely Necessaries to Salvation , not where I cannot find them . This would be also prejudicial to the Church of England ; for when Men see Doubts so sincerely and submissively Proposed , Answered only with Jeers , Railing and Invectives , or omitted and let pass , as not deserving an Answer , they must needs doubt of the Learning ae well as of the Virtue and Charity of their Leaders . Now were the Satisfaction I here desire , intended for myself alone , it might have seemed more proper to have made my Address in particular to some one of your Reverend and Learned Body ; but forasmuch as it concerns so many others , and as I perswade my self , will prove extremely beneficial to Religion , it being the surest , nay only way to end the many Controversies of this Age , I am forced to desire of you , whose high Character obliges you to a Zeal of Souls , a publick , and withal a speedy Answer , by which you will highly oblige , SIRS , Yours ever . LONDON : Printed for Randall Taylor , 1688. Our Author has too plainly discovered himself , and had reason to suppose his Reader might well fancy him to be of some particular Church ; and he may as well expect to receive a due Correction for this his Dissimulation , that pretends to be in doubt , and yet to be in a Church ( as he supposes ) Infallible ; that pretends the Answer to these Doubts absolutely necessary for the Salvation of his Soul , and yet is of a Church in which he is judged to hazard his Soul if he doth but doubt ; that Presents An Address to the Ministers of the Church of England , to resolve his Doubts , and yet has a Guide of his own whom it's necessary to believe , and whom he is bound to follow ; that pretends to be sincerely desirous of finding out the Truth , and doth all he can to involve it : Lastly , that brings these very Doubts to the Ministers of the Church of England , that have been of late so frequently answered by them , to the Confutation , tho , it seems , not altogether to the Silencing of their Adversaries . I will direct him to the Books , and I hope by way of Courtesie he will in his next direct us to the Answers that have been since returned to them . The Peoples Right to Read the Holy Scripture , in Answer to the Representer . A Discourse concerning a Guide . A Vindication of the Answer to some late Papers . Page 40 , &c. An Answer to a late Dialogue , between a New Catholick Convert , and a Protestant , to prove the Mystery of the Trinity , &c. The Doctrine of the Trinity and Transubstantiation compared , &c. in 2 parts . An Answer to the Request to Protestants to produce plain Scriptures , &c. With the Vindication of it , called , A Short Summary of the principal Controversies . An Answer to a Book Entituled , Reason and Authority . Page 1 , 2 , &c. The Difference betwixt the Protestant and Socinian Methods , in Answer to the Potestant's Plea for a Socinian . All these Books , with several others to the same purpurpose , were Printed the last year ; and if our Author had consulted them , as he ought , and had as sincerely read them , as he pretends to propose his doubts ; whatever his Confidence might , I am apt to think his Conscience would not have found any just occasion to have made this Address , nor needed Another to Answer it . But it seems nothing less will satisfy our Author , than an Answer from the Ministers of the Church of England . It 's not a particular person that he conceives sufficiently qualified to undertake his Case , and to rescue his Soul , which he is so solicitous to save out of this danger ; and to instruct him in this weighty Affair . But it is their Reverend and Learned Body ( as he fleeringly stiles them ) that he presents his Address to ; from whom he expects a Publick , and withal a Speedy Answer . He writes as if they were now in Convocation , or that they were all obliged through the Two Provinces forthwith to assemble about this important Case ; and by one Solemn Act of theirs , to return an Answer to these Doubts , which is absolutely necessary for the Salvation of his Soul. But because it 's now not a season for this purpose , and 't will be too long to stay till the days grow longer , and the ways better , I thought I might as well presume to try what might be done by a private hand , and he might as well accept of it , as he might Present an Address to the Ministers of the Church of England , in behalf of himself and others , and at last subscribe in his own name with a , Sirs , Yours ever . FINIS . Books lately Printed for Richard Chiswell . A Discourse of the Holy Eucharist in the two great Points of the Real Presence , and the Adoration of the Host ; in Answer to the Two Discourses lately Printed at Oxford on this Subject : To which is prefixed a large Historical Preface relating to the same Argument . Two Discourses ; Of Purgatory , and Prayers for the Dead . The Fifteen Notes of the Church , as laid down by Cardinal Bellarmin examined and confuted . 4 0. With a Table to the Whole . Preparation for Death : Being a Letter sent to a young Gentlewoman in France , in a dangerous Distemper of which she died . By W. Wake , M. A 120. The Difference between the Church of England and the Church of Rome , in opposition to a late Book , Intituled , An Agreement between the Church of England and Church of Rome . A Private Prayer to be used in difficult Times . A True Account of a Conference held about Religion at London , Sept. 29. 1687. between A. Pulton , Jesuit , and Th. Tenison , D. D. as also of that which led to it , and followed after it . 4 0. The Vindication of A Cressener , Schoolmaster in Long-Acre , from the Aspersions of A. Pulton , Jesuit , Schoolmaster in the Savoy , together with some Account of his Discourse with Mr. Meredith . A Discourse shewing that Protestants are on the safer Side , notwithstanding the uncharitable Judgment of thier Adversaries ; and that Their Religion is the surest Way to Heaven . 4 0. Six Conferences concerning the Eucharist , wherein is shewed , that the Doctrine of Transubstantiation overthrows the Proofs of Christian Religion . A Discourse concerning the pretended Sacrament of Extreme Vnction ; with an Account of the Occasions and Beginnings of it in the Western Church . In Three Parts . With a Letter to the Vindicator of the Bishop of Condom . The Pamphlet entituled , Speculum Ecclesiasticum , or an Ecclesiastical Prospective-Glass , considered , in its False Reasonings and Quotations . There are added , by way of Preface , two further Answers , the First , to the Defender of the Speculum ; the Second to the Half-sheet against the Six Conferences . A Second Defence of the Exposition of the Doctrine of the Church of England , against the new Exceptions of Mons. de Meaux , late Bishop of Condom , and his Vindicator . The FIRST PART . In which the Account that has been given of the Bishop of Meaux's Exposition , is fully Vindicated ; the Distinction of Old and New Popery Historically asserted , and the Doctrine of the Church of Rome , in Point of Image-worship , more particularly considered . 4 0. A Second Defence of the Exposition of the Doctrine of the Church of England , against the New Exceptions of Mons. de Meaux , late Bishop of Condom , and his Vindicator . The SECOND PART . The Incurable Scepticism of the Church of Rome . By the Author of the [ Six Conferences concerning the Eucharist ] 4 0. Mr. Pulton Considered in his Sincerity , Reasonings , Authorities : Or a Just Answer to what he hath hitherto published in his True Account ; his True and Full Account of a Conference , &c. His Remarks ; and in them his pretended Confutation of what he calls Dr. T 's Rule of Faith. By Th. Tenison , D. D. A Full View of the Doctrines and Practices of the Ancient Church relating to the Eucharist , wholly different from those of the Present Roman Church , and inconsistent with the belief of Transubstantiation . Being a sufficient Confutation of Consensus Veterum , Nubes Testium , and other late Collections of the Fathers pretend●ng to the Contrary . 40 An Answer to the Representer's Reflections upon the State and View of the Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A66372-e200 Address . Answer . Address . Answer . De Doctr. Christ. l. 2. c. 9. Sum. Part 3. Tit. 18. c. 3. ff . 3. White 's Way to the true Church . Sect. 8. N. 2. Enarrat . in ps . 8. 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