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Church and state -- Early works to 1800. 2004-04 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-04 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-08 Emma (Leeson) Huber Sampled and proofread 2004-08 Emma (Leeson) Huber Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE DIFFERENCE Between the POWER OF MAGISTRATES AND CHURCH-PASTORS , AND THE ROMAN KINGDOM & MAGISTRACY Under the Name of a CHURCH & CHURCH-GOVERNMENT Usurped by the Pope , or liberally given him by Popish Princes : Opened by Richard Baxter . To the Learned and Sincere Ludovicus Molinaeus Dr of Physick , and Author of Jugulum Causae , Papa Ultrajectinus , and other Books on this subject . For the Vindication of the true Pastoral Discipline , exercised by the Ancient Churches , and claimed , but alas , too little exercised , by the Churches called Protestant and Reformed . And to acquaint Posterity what we hold in this , that false accusations misinform them not . LONDON , Printed for Nevil Simmons , at the Sign of the three Crowns , near Holborn Conduit . 1671. READER THE first Epistle is now written upon the sight of Jugulum Causae : The other with the Propositions was written about a year and half ago , upon the sight of Papa ultrajectinus , &c. and the Paraenesis contra Aedificatores Imperii in Imperio : And the design of all is , to shew how little or nothing at all the sober moderate Protestants , called Episcopal , Presbyterian , Independent , and Political or Erastian are disagreed in all this business , whilst I name you near a hundred Propositions in which they commonly consent : That Princes and all Magistrates may see , that they have no cause to be offended at the Christian and Protestant Doctrine , or to judge the true Religion of any of these parties , as such , to be contrary to their interest ; when in very truth they are in that all one : But that among all Sects and Parties , there will be still some injudicious , intemperate and unpeaceable men ; especially those whose Interest in the world is Great , and cannot be upheld , without encroaching on the rights of others : As Great Trees must have much room , and suffer nothing to prosper under them , but Weeds and Bryars . And it is to tell Politicians , that the true Pastoral Power ( being a Power to labour and suffer in patient self-denyal for the Church of Christ and the souls of men ) is past all doubt of Christs appointment : And to diminish that Power , is but to diminish our obligation to labour and suffer , and to gratifie our sloth and fleshly interest . But to diminish that Secular Church-power which Clergie men claim as of Divine Right , is but for Princes to be Princes , whether the Clergie will or no. And as to the Learned Author , Dr. Lud. Molinaeus , my meaning is to second him in awakening Magistrates to reassume their proper power , and to leave it in no Clergie mens hands , of what party soever : But as to his reflections on the Protestants Discipline , lovingly to chide him for making the difference seem wider than it is , and to RECONCILE the four Parties , while I distinctly open the common Doctrine of them all , excepting the rigid Opinions of some interessed or intemperate individuals . My Learned , Sincere and Worthy Friend , WHEN I had hastily set down my judgement of the Cause which I found handled in your Papa Ultrajectinus and other Writings which you sent me , I cast by that Script ( which I intended at the writing of it , for your view ) that I might surely keep it from the notice of others , in this Age wherein the prevalency of Interest , Faction , Passion and Injudiciousness , doth make it so great a difficulty , to say any thing for the cure of any mens errors , enormities or impieties , which shall not be charged with the same crime ( or greater ) which it would cure , and be taken for a disturber of the Church and Peace , which it would save or heal . But now seeing that you renew your endeavours in the same Cause , and finding your Jugulum Causae directed to so many hands , by seventy particular Epistles , and that you have honoured me with a place among those great and worthy persons , I take my self obliged to render you some account of my judgement of your Writings , and especially of the whole Cause , by bringing into the open light , those hundred Propositions which I had purposed to conceal : And withal to tell you , 1. That ( though you have much overvalued me in your recitation of their report , who would have joyned me with so Great , so Wise and Good a man as A Bishop Usher , and that in so great a work ; and experience may tell you , that other men have other thoughts of me , as one unmeet to preach the Gospel in the Land of my Nativity , much more unmeet to be a decider of the Churches Controversies ) yet you have truly described my judgement of your self and your undertaking . I confess I hope not that ever you should make the Roman Usurpation , more palpable , than the falshood of their Doctrine of Transubstantiation ; where they maintain ( not only the Corporal Presence , which is not it that I now mean , but ) that Bread is not Bread , and Wine is not Wine , when all men see , taste , smell and feel them : And if the Princes , Doctors , and great men of the world , can thus obstinately deny ( or take on them to deny ) the judgement which is made of sensible objects , by all mens senses , you may gather what fruit you may expect of your labours , or of any Cause how plain soever , where prejudice and seeming interest are against you ? Can all the Writings or Reasonings in the world , bring any thing to a more clear and sure decision , than that of all the senses of all men in the world , about the proper objects of sense ? If flesh so far conquer flesh it self , and the interest of sensuality can cause such men , and such multitudes to renounce the apprehension of all their senses , what have we to do more for the cure of mankind ? You have made it plain enough , that it is really a part of the Secular Government of Kings and States , which is now commonly called Ecclesiastical among the Papists , and as such is challenged and usurped by the Pope , and that Princes that subject their Kingdoms to his Usurpation , do take in a joint Ruler with them , and divide their Kingdoms or Power between themselves and him . But so they have done , and so they will do , till the Time of the Churches fuller Reformation , and of the Coalition of the Christian world is come . I know you may think that as Interest blindeth them , so this great detection of the Invasion of their Interest is the way to bring them to the truth . For who will have a Co-partner with him in his Kingdom , that may choose ? Who had not rather Rule alone , than divide his Kingdom with the Pope ? Undoubtedly they give away more of their own Interest hereby , than you have opened ? When they deliver part of their power to one , who by an approved General Council of their own , which is the Religion of their Party , Later . sub Innoc. 3. Can. 2. 3. may depose Temporal Lords , ( though no Protestants themselves ) that will not exterminate those that deny Transubstantiation out of their Dominions , and may absolve their subjects from their fidelity , and may give their Countryes unto others . When their most Learned , Renowned , applauded Doctors teach , that the Pope may excommunicate Kings , and that an excommunicated King is no King , and he that killeth him , killeth not a King. When the Roman Council under Greg. 7. decreeth , that the Pope may depose Emperours : And the same Greg. 7. li. 4. Ep. 7. conspireth in the like Doctrine . The Oration of Card. Peron is well known : If so great a Kingdom as France , that glorieth of its Church-liberties , can bear so much , what will not those bear , that are less able to deliver themselves ? The words of this Great and pretendedly Moderate Cardinal in a Moderate Kingdom , in a publick Writing against a Protestant Learned King ( King James ) pag. 453. ( as cited by A. Bishop Usher of Babylon , pag. 163. is fit to be written on the Doors of all Princes , and of the Pope himself , in Capital Letters ; viz. [ By this Article ( that Kings may not be deposed by the Pope ) We are cast headlong into a manifest Heresie , as binding us to confess , that for many Ages past the Catholick Church hath been banished out of the whole world : For if the Champions of the Doctrine contrary to this Article do hold an impious and detestable opinion contrary to Gods Word , then doubtless the Pope for so many hundred years expired , hath not been the Head of the Church , but a HERETICK and the ANTICHRIST . ] What would you have more to satisfie Kings , than their own profession that , Either the Pope may depose Kings , or 〈◊〉 he is not the Head of the Church , but an Heretick and Antich●i●t , and hath been so for many hundred years . Can you sh●w their Interest plainlier than all this ? And lest any say , that this is but the Doctrine of the Jesuits , remember that Perron was another kind of man , and the famous Perverter of King Henry the fourth . And I will cite here the words of one more of a multitude , even one that wrote so long ago , as to be numbred with the Fathers in Biblioth . Patr. To. 4 p. 913. and a Roman Cardinal Bertrard Card. & Epis. Eduens . de Orig. & usu Jurisd . Qu. 4. [ Respondeo & dico quod Potestas Spiritualis debet dominari omni humanae Creaturae per rationes Hostiensis — Item quia Jesus Christus silius Dei dum fuit in hoc mundo , & etiam ab aetern● naturalis dominus fuit , & de jure naturali in Imperatores & quoseunque alios depositionis sententias ferre potuisset , & damnationis , & quaseunque alias : Utpote in personas quas creaverat , & donis naturalibus & gratuito donaverat , & etiam conservabat . Et eadem ratione etiam ejus Vicarius potest . Nam non videtur discretus Dominus fuisse ( ut cum reverentia ejus loquar ) nisi unicum post se talem Vicarium reliquisset , qui haec omnia posset . Fuit autem iste Vicarius ejus Petrus apud Mattheum : Et idem dicendum est de successoribus Petri , cum eadem absurditas sequeretur , si post mortem Petri humanam naturam a se creatam sine regimine unius personae reliquisset . ] I will English it lest the unlearned believe not what Fathers , what a Biblioth . Patrum , what Cardinals , and what Doctrines the Roman Clergy obtrude upon the Christian world . [ I answer and say , that the spiritual Power ought to have domination over every humane creature , by Hostiensis reasons — Also because Jesus Christ the Son of God while he was in this world , and also from Eternity , was the Natural Lord : and by Natural Right , could pass the sentence of Deposition and of Damnation , and any other , upon Emperours and upon any others ; as being persons that he had created and endowed with Natural Gifts , and freely , and also preserved : And by the same reason his Vicar can do it : For the Lord seemeth not to have been discreet ( that I may speak with reverence to him ) unless he had left behind him one such Vicar , who could do all these things . And in Matthew this his Vicar was Peter : And the same must be said of the successors of Peter , seeing the same absurdity would follow , if after the death of Peter he had left humane nature created by himself , without the Regiment of One person . ] Do you think this is not plain dealing enough , if men are willing to understand ? I know that there were Emperours and Princes that strugled hard , before they suffered themselves to be thus subjected ; And these Emperours had Lawyers , Statesmen and Divines that took their parts ; as all the Treatises in Goldastus his three Volumes de Monarch . and his Imp. Constit. shew . But still those that sided with the Pope spake contrary , as the argumentations of those Books besides the Authors whom they oppose , do shew . And , alas , Occham , and Marsilius Patavinus , and Widdrington and Barclay came all too late . For all that Secular Power which was cloaked with the name of Ecclesiastical and Spiritual , was before so deeply rooted in the Papacy , that they durst plead for no more , than that Princes are not subject to the Pope in Temporals : But as you truly note , abundance of Temporals , and of the Magistrates proper work about things Ecclesiastical , was still vailed under the name of Spiritual : And at last , even the Temporal Power again claimed more subtilly , and indirectly , as in ordine ad spiritualia . But you 'l say , that All men are naturally so regardful of their own Interest , and especially Princes , that it is not possible they should be so servile , tame and self-abasing , as to give away so great a part of their Kingdoms to a Forreigner , yea , to one that claimeth all , ( by himself , or by his most famous Writers ) and by his Councils claimeth a power to depose them ; They that with their own Nobles and other Subjects , are so jealous of their Prerogatives , would never so far depose themselves , if they did but know what they do : And therefore when Popish Princes understand the matter , they will shake off the yoke , and re●ssume their right . Answ. It 's true , that Protestant Princes and States have done so ; And the true meaning of our Oath of Supremacy is the same with your main design : And though some have stumbled at those words , that the King is Supream Governour in all Causes Ecclesiastical , the meaning is only ( as hath been oft publickly declared ) that he is the Supream Civil or Coactive Governour by the Sword , in all Causes Ecclesiastical , so far as they fall under that Coactive or Coercive Government . And hereby the King doth but reassume the Royal Power over the Clergy and the affairs of Religion , which the Pope had usurped under the name of Ecclesiastical . For it s well known what was called Ecclesiastical Power in England in the times of Popery : so that this much of the Vail is removed long ago among all Protestants . And if you peruse but Bishop Bilsons excellent Tract of Christian Subjection , and Bishop Andrews his Tortura Torti ( to pass by all others ) you will see that this Case is better opened , than I for my part am able to open it . And it is seldom heard of ( for all the industry and subtilty of Rome ) that any Prince or State doth Voluntarily turn Papist , that is once delivered from the Yoke , and that ever again parteth with his power when he hath recovered it . But yet that even this Argument from Notorious Interest , doth not recover the Liberty of Countreys subject to the Pope , you will the less wonder , if you consider these three things . 1. That the Papal Interest hath got such rooting in their Subjects minds , that it is not in their power to reassume their right . The Clergy are so numerous , subtile , ubiquitary and potent , and the people so commonly deceived , and so tenacious of ancient Customs , that to make this Change , might cast all into a flame : And they think it better to lose part , than all . And no doubt but the examples of Henry the third , and Henry the fourth of France , maked some think , that if they displease the Pope and his Consederates , they have not sufficient security for their lives . 2. And Princes stand usually on such terms of danger or jealousie from one another , that they are fain to keep such a Peace at home , lest they expose themselves to a greater mischief from abroad . And they are broken by the Papal subtilty , especially in Germany and Italy , into such Fractions , and petty Principalities , that few of them are strong enough to defend themselves against the Confederates of the Pope ( when potent Emperours heretofore could not do it . ) And many of them , especially the House of Austria , do take this Copartnership of the Pope , to be a great part of their strength : And as anciently many Emperours were forced to choose their Caesars and Copartners , when the defence of the Empire was too hard for themselves alone ; so divers Princes are glad to make use of the Papal interest and power for their own security ; though upon terms that else would never be submitted to . And in some Countreys the Rebellious disposition of the Subjects driveth them to accept of this dear remedy ; and they choose rather to strengthen themselves by a Copartner , than to stoop to the wills of their inferiours . For here you must take notice , that the pretence of a Jus divinum and of Spirituality , and the Interest of Christ , and of the safety of their souls , doth make this kind of servitude much less dishonourable , than it is to be overtopt by a neighbour Prince , or to be curbed by their subjects . For what dishonour is it for a man to be subject to his Maker and Redeemer ? Nay , what greater honour can there be ? And the Roman Clergy have used themselves to Canonize those Princes that have been most zealous for their Grandure , and to raise the fame and praises of such , as have raised that which they call the Church , that the very ambition of the Clergies Praises , doth do much to tempt some to a tame acceptance of a Copartner , who pretendeth to be the Vicar of Christ : When this servitude goeth for sanctity , and carrieth not with it the reproach of other sorts of servitude . 3. And it greatly furthereth their success , that the Popes Agents are commonly bred up in Learning , and so are made able to over-wit the Laity ; And that it is their great design , to gratifie the Lusts of Princes , by indulging their voluptuous sensual lives , that so they may spend their dayes in such things , as will never advance their understandings to an ability to discern the cheats of their Copartners : And they detestably cherish the Ignorance of the Common Laity , that they may be the fitter to be led and mastered by them ; even as men keep women from Learning and great attainments , lest they should be the more uncapable of subjection . And thus as Satan leadeth men to Hell , so the Papal Usurper bringeth the Laity into their power , by their own consent , by such pleasing baits , as make their servitude easie to them . And it is not your telling them of their interest , that will prevail against all these temptations . They that will lose Heaven , and their salvation by such cheats , may lose half of their earthly Dominions by them , as long as the other half sufficeth to satisfie their concupiscence , and to maintain their honour and pleasure in the world . The Roman Usurpation consisteth of two parts . 1. The Usurpation of such a Pastoral Power as they have no right to . 2. The Usurpation of a great part of the Magistrates power , sometime directly , and sometimes indirectly in ordine ad spiritualia ; and constantly by the cheat of the false name of Church power , put upon the Magistrates part of Church Government , as if it were the Clergies part . I. The Usurpation of a Pastoral power which belongeth not to them , is the chief part of their Iniquity . And it consisteth in these , among other particulars . 1. In the impious , and arrogant claim of an Universal Pastorship over all the world . The Roman Prelate must be the Teacher of all the world , the High Priest of all the world , and the Spiritual Ruler of all the world ; which because he cannot do by himself , he must do by others , as far as he can to uphold his usurpation . He must be the Law-giver and the Judge of all the world , even at the Antipodes , and where he hath no acquaintance nor access . 2. By this he undertaketh to be a Bishop in other mens Diocesses , and to rule in all matters , where he hath no more power , than any Pastor hath in another Pastoral Charge . 3. And by this he undertaketh to be the Spiritual Father and Governour of all the Kings and Rulers of the Christian world , and so to have the power of excommunicating them when he thinketh there is cause , and to brand them as uncapable of Christian communion with their own Subjects ; or with any other Christians . 4. By this he usurpeth authority of imposing what Pastors he please ( even such as will carry on his interest ) upon all the Churches in the world , and depriving both Princes and people of their just liberty of choice . 5. By this also he usurpeth the power of deposing what Bishops or Pastors he please , and depriving the people of their necessary helps , and faithfullest Teachers . Yea , of putting whole Nations under Interdicts of serving and honouring God in Church-assemblies ; commanding all Pastors to shut up the Church doors , and forbidding them to perfom their office , and to preach Christs Gospel , or administer his holy Sacraments . 6. By this he sendeth forth his Missionaries ▪ and setteth up Societies of Jesuits and Fryers to do his work , and commandeth all Princes and people to receive and countenance them . 7. By this he layeth claim to a right of maintenance for Himself and his Missionaries in all parts of the world , in the name of Christ , who hath said , that the labourer is worthy of his hire . 8. By this he granteth Dispensations , Pardons , Indulgences , commandeth praying to Saints and Angels , and praying for the Dead , as being in Purgatory , and by this he setteth up his whole new frame of self-devised Worship and Religion . Now I call not all this an Usurpation of Magistracy , so far as he useth no Corporal force , and threatneth no penalty but excommunication and damnation . For every true Pastor with his own flock hath the Power of Guiding them by delivering Christs Doctrine and Precepts , and commanding obedience as his Servant or Embassadour in his Name , and of denouncing his judgements , and of judging obligingly who are fit to be taken in to the Church by Baptism , and who to be cast out as Impenitent by excommunication in his own particular Charge or Society . And if the Pope usurp a power of doing all this and more , as an Universal Pastor only , this is an Usurpation of a Church Power , and not of a Magistracy . And indeed if you will acquit him from the guilt of the Mysterie of Iniquity any further than he invadeth Magistracy it self , you will do him a great deal of wrong : For he is the Vicarius Christi , and the Vice-Christ more notably by his Spiritual Usurpation of a power proper to Christ himself , or at least of a power that Christ never gave him . II. His setting up a KINGDOM , and invading the MAGISTRACY is done I. Directly , II. Indirectly and Consequentially . I. Directly ; 1. By holding a Secular Jurisdiction , as the King of Rome , where he exerciseth the Supream Civil Power , acknowledging no Superiour Civil Governour ; either as to the Legislation or Execution , in all the parts of his own Dominions . 2. By his laying claim to many Kingdoms as his own ( among which England is one , as pretended to be delivered to him by King John ) and supposing that the Kings do hold them as under him , and by his Grant. 3. By laying claim to the Temporal or Corporal Government of all the world ( say some ) or of all the Christian world ( say others ) : Of which you may see a multitude of Volumes written in the defence of his pretensions : In particular all those aforesaid were of this subject , which all Goldastus his Collected Treatises , for the Right of Princes do confute . I gave you Cardinal Bertrands words before . And though some of their Clergy who live under Princes that are not willing to resign their Crowns , do disclaim the Popes direct Title to the Universal Civil Soveraignty , yet he himself disclaimeth it not , nor condemneth the Books as such , that have been written to defend it . In the Jesuits Morals the last Chapter hath this Title [ That the Jesuits teach , that the Church cannot command spiritual and internal actions ; That its Laws and guidance are humane , and that it is it self only a Political Body ] Where the Jansenist chargeth them with destroying the Church from its foundation , and making it altogether external , humane and Politick ; and that which needeth only Politick Vertues for its Government , and the exercise of its principal offices , and that they make its Laws but humane and politick , which oblige only to things external : and chargeth them as Cyprian did the Novatians , Quod Ecclesiam humanam faciunt ] So that if he accuse them justly , here is no room for any subterfuge : It is not the Spiritual and Temporal power that he makes them claim , but the Temporal or External only : But what ! doth the Jansenist himself therefore disclaim all Temporal Power in the Church , or is he just to Kings ? Judge but by pag. 388. where he boasteth of Laymans Confession of the Truth , that [ Ecclesiastick power is instituted immediately from God , and the Civil power comes immediately from men : And that Civil power regards properly and directly wealth and peace temporal only : ] And he adds [ For the Civil power regards the outward order and Civil tranquility alone ; and prescribes none but outward and humane means to attain this end . ] Which is all false , and most injurious to Kings ; whom this moderate Jansenist would hereby set as far below every Priest ; in real dignity and amiableness to the Subjects as a Humane Creature is below a Divine , and the interest of the body is below that of the soul. Whereas indeed God is the immediate Original of Civil and Church power , though in both the Persons are designed by the means of men . And both have God himself for their ultimate end , and the Common Good of the Society for their Common End ; which ever consisteth most in spiritual felicity , referring to Eternal . Though the Magistrates weapon be the Sword , and the Pastors only the Word , by which all this is brought to pass . Indeed it is not possible that the Papacy in its present State can be defended by any man how moderate soever , without Injury to Princes and States , whose Power the Pope hath so notoriously invaded and usurped : For how can they defend him , that usurpeth the Power of Kings , or usurpeth a false Power over Kings , and not be injurious to them that the Usurper injureth ? But it is most wonderful to me , that when W. Barclay defendeth the right of Monarchs in such a Kingdom as France that hath power and will to hold fast its own , he should complain as if he undertook a Cause which most were against him in , and in which he expected to be wondered at for his singularity . 4. By their Inquisition , and by their Decreeing Corporal Penalties in their Councils , and Decreeing the deposition of Princes , and the giving away their Dominions to others , as in the two fore-cited Councils , Roman . su● . Greg. 7. & Lateran . sub Innoc. 3. In a word , by all that they do in their Usurped Legislation , Judgement and Execution , by the Sword , or a forcing Power as in themselves . II. But the more successful Usurpation of the Power and Rights of Princes is Indirectly , and as Bellarmin defendeth it , in ordine ad spiritualia ; By using their Ecclesiastical Usurped power upon mens Consciences , in such a way as shall overtop the Magistrates power of the Sword : when they decree that all are Hereticks that believe their senses , and deny Transubstantiation , and that all such Hereticks shall be banished or burnt ; the Clergy is not to do this themselves , but to deliver them over to the Secular Power : The Pope and Clergy do but charge it on their Consciences in the name of Christ. And if Princes obey them not , or Temporal Lords will not burn or banish all such Hereticks for believing sense , the Pope is not to touch their bodies , but to excommunicate them . And if they will not yet obey the Pope , when they are excommunicate , the Pope , Good man , will not draw a Sword against them , but only use the Spiritual Sword , by giving their Dominions to others , which is but by word of mouth ; he doth but declare such a Temporal Lord to be dispossest of his Title , and require another to take his Lands , and let his great Divines publish that an Excommunicate King is no King , and that to kill him , is not to kill a King : And if Princes will defend themselves by Arms , the Pope will not send his Clergy in Arms against them , but only by the Spiritual Sword , or Word , command other Princes , States and people to arm themselves against their Emperours , Kings and Governours , and to defend those to whom he hath given their Dominions . How oft these Games have been seriously acted , the German Histories lamentably tell us : and Guicciardine● Italian , and the English , French and others are not wholly silent . So if the Clergy be exempt from paying Taxes , from Secular Judgements , if their Lands and Estates be not under the Power of Kings , if they set up Courts of Judicature with Offices like a Civil Court , if they assume to themselves the sole judgement of Hereticks , and Schismaticks , and Apostates , and also of Testaments of the dead , and of Causes of Adultery and Fornication , of lawful or unlawful degrees of Marriage , and of Divorce , if the Pope lay Taxes on the Clergy that are Subjects in all Princes Dominions , if he dispose of Buildings , Tythes , Glebes , Monasteries , Lands , Almshouses , Colledges , and abundance such like ; all this is not by the Sword , but by perswading Kings and States that they are bound in Conscience to promote all this , and obey the Pope as their Ghostly Father herein : And that if they be stricken with the Thunderbolt of Excommunication , they are in a state of damnation , and if they so dye , are undone for ever : And by perswading other Princes and people , that the Arms taken up against such Princes at the Popes Command ( according to the foresaid Councils ) are meritorious , and shall procure their salvation . And if Princes and people will believe all this , and will be deceived , and will voluntarily subject themselves to such an Usurper , who can help it ? Though it excuse not the Pope , yet they have little reason to complain , that they lose that power which they voluntarily give away , and that the Pope shall exercise that power which they give him . And so much to your Cause against the Papacy . II. But in your Epistle to Mr. Areskin and several others , you lay much of the like charge upon the Reformed Churches , and you take our great Reforming Divines , to have kept up the Mysterie of Iniquity in their Discipline . Concerning which give me leave to deal freely with you , and to tell you , that I am perswaded that your meaning is sincere and good , and that it is an usurpation or devised imitation of Secular Government by the Clergy which you condemn ; and that too great a part of the Protestant Clergy have given you some occasion for these complaints : But that really you deal not accurately in the Controversie , and Accurateness is the thing you want . You do not here exactly describe the true difference between the several powers where you seem to describe them ; you leave out much that should be said . It is a more distinct way of handling this point , that must decide the Controversie . To which end I have laid you down an hundred Propositions , on occasion of your former Writings sent me . And as you say in Epist. ad D. Russellum , p. 248. that in this you would believe one Physicion , one Coxe , Goddard ; Lower , Ridgley , &c. ( Though I have reason to think that the first and last of these are more of my mind about Church Government than of yours ) before a thousand Augustines , Hieroms , Gregories , yea , Jewells , Davenant , Ushers , Dallees ; so my opinion is , that usually all men are wisest in their own Profession . And though I am naturally somewhat unapt to take more than needs I must upon trust from any ( since I have had great experience of humane ignorance and vanity ) yet I had rather take a Physicions judgement in Physick , and a Lawyers in points of Law , and a Souldiers in Military matters , and a Divines in Theology , than any of their judgements about the matters of an aliene Profession . Not but that now and then a man may arise , that shall know more on the by , than others that make it the study of their lives : But that is not usual . And that one man would have been yet wiser , in those things if he had been of that Profession . For surely caeteris paribus , he that bestoweth twenty years , or thirty , or forty , or threescore in the Study of Divinity alone , with its subservient helps , is liker to understand it , than he that alloweth it , but now and then a spare hour , in the midst of other diverting Studies . For my part , if I follow not one thing only when I am upon it , but divide my thoughts among things heterogeneal , I cannot pierce deep into any great difficulties , nor make any thing of distracted Studies ; neque quicquam recte fit , quod fit praeoccupato animo . God doth not use to give wisdom now by the way of Miracles ; but they that seek most , are likest to find . And therefore pardon me for telling you , that though I am deservedly a great honourer of the Physicions you name , yet I set more by the Judgement of one Usher , one Davenant , one Jewell , one Dallaeus , one Blondel , one Camero , one Le Blank , one Petrus Molinaeus in matters of Theology , than of abundance of Lawyers and Physicions . And of one Lawyer and Physicion in matters of their Profession , than of many Divines . Being still of Pembles mind , that one clear eye can see further than a Council of purblind ones . And as to the matter of Partiality of which you suspect Divines , it is not without cause as to all that party who seek for Riches , Ease and Honours , or Domination and Preferments and Preheminency in the world : But such as that St. Martin whom you mention out of Severus , who so vehemently opposed the Ithacian Violence , * and Maximus his using the Sword against the Priscillianists are as impartial as you . Certainly if Christianity be what we all profess to take it for , it will make that man best who is most a Christian : And he that is best will be most impartially and self denyingly faithful to Christ , and will prefer Christs honour incomparably before his own . And he is like to be most a Christian , who doth sincerely give up himself to the closest study of it all his dayes . Deny this , and your suspicions will fall upon Christianity it self . But yet I will allow you to be moderately suspicious where you see that there is any great bait of carnal interest to tempt men : A Popedome , a Cardinalship , ( I must name no more ) may make the Roman Heathen say , I will turn Christian , if you will make me Bishop of Rome , &c. But will you suspect that a good man , yea , and all such good men , should be Partial where they put themselves on the greatest self-denyal ? Where they have no profit , no preterment , no man-pleasing , no worldly honour to invite them ? Yea , where it is like to diminish their gain , to hinder them from preferment , to make them hated by most on whom their discipline is exercised ? If a few out of a pang of Factious or Phanatick zeal , may cast themselves on such a self-denying life , it is not like that this will be the ordinary Case , of Learned , sober , godly men . If it be , with whom shall the ignorant trust the conduct of their souls , that will not make merchandize of them ? Would you be partial and false to the Truth of Christ your self , if you were the Pastor of a Church ? Is the Office so malignant to infect all that undertake it ? If it be , how can our Religion be good ? If not , why should you think that others will not be as just and impartial as you would be ? Do you consider what excellent persons in all respects for Wisdom , and Piety , and Integrity , were Melanchthon , Bucholtzer , Sohnius , Kimedontius , Olevian , Ursinus , Zanchius , Paraeus , and those English men you named , and many hundreds more ; who more unlikely through Ignorance or partiality to betray the truth ? But they say , that Interest will not lye . Do you not know that an able Preacher , may better by many degrees consult his own Ease , his Profit , and his worldly honours by Preaching only , than by this troublesome ungrateful work of Discipline ? I am confident that you and I do take one another for true plain dealing honest men , and therefore can believe each other . And if you will believe me , I did , in my Pastoral Charge ( in those times when I was thought tolerable in the Sacred Office ) for about ten years ( of the twenty that I had leave to preach ) exercise some Discipline upon some particular offendors , according to the common judgement of Protestant Divines ; And it was so much to my labour , to my expence of time , to the grievous displeasure of those that fell under it , and required so much self-denyal , that when I consulted with flesh and blood , if I might but have forborn it , and only preached , and given the Sacraments to all that came , I should have thought my self so greatly disburdened , as would have made my life to be sensually pleasant : so that , though I had not any maintenance of my own , I think I could gladly have given up all that I received for my Ministry , and made what other shift I could for food and rayment , so I might but have been freed from the trouble of this particular Discipline : I speak only what it was to flesh and blood , and not what it was to faith , which saith God cannot be served too dearly . Till I speak this to one that hath tryed the thing I talk of , I shall take it for granted , that my words are not half understood . If you say , Why then did you not forbear a work so ungrateful ? I now only answer , Why doth not the Judge and Sheriff forbear hanging Murderers and Thieves : The rest of my Answer you shall have anon . Though my following Propositions seem full enough in opening the difference between the two Powers ; yet I will here also briefly tell you , 1. Somewhat of the nature of Church Power : 2. Somewhat of the certain Truth that Jesus Christ did institute it : 3. Somewhat of the Necessity of it sub ratione m●dii ad finem . I. For the first , take these few things together , and you may clearly see what power we claim . 1. Our Office for the Original of it , is as immediately from Christ as that of Magistrates , and is not made by Kings or any Monarchs . Therefore we hold it as immediately from Christ. 2. For the Matter of it , it is only to expound and apply the Word of God , both commonly in Sermons , and particularly to each mans several ▪ Case , as Physicions look to the Cure of individuals : And also to exercise the Keys of the Church or Kingdom of Christ ; that is , 1. To be the ordinary Judges who is to be taken in by Baptism ; 2. And also who is to be publickly admonished as scandalous , in our particular Charge : 3. And also who is to be absolved as penitent : 4. And who is to be declared unmeet for Church-communion , as obstinately impenitent , and to be forbidden Communion with the Church , and the Church with him , and consequently denyed the priviledges of the Church , and signs of Communion in the Lords Supper , which it belongeth to the Pastor to deliver only to the capable , and by the peoples familiarity and brotherly Society , which they are obliged to deny them . And this Sentence of the Pastor , if it should proceed on mistake , doth not make the mans Case the worse before God ; but yet ( till the Church have ●ought its due remedy against mistaking Pastors ) it remaineth so far valid , as that none against it may obtrude himself on the Communion of that Church . For , I pray you tell me , if Plato , or Zen● mistake in their judgement of a Disciple whom they refuse , or any Free Schoolmaster in judging of the incapacity of a Scholar , shall others so misjudged intrude into their Schools , and make themselves their Scholars against their wills ? Or shall he whom by mis-information you refuse or reject from your family or service , become your houshold servant in despight of you ? 3. And as to the Instruments and manner of exercising our Office , we professedly disclaim all pretensions to any power of the Sword , or of corporal penalty , that is coactive or coercive . You confess this once your self . We claim no power but by the Word , either generally preached , or particularly applyed to the case of those that are of our charge . No other power of Excommunication do we claim : If men will despise our Ministerial instructions , reproofs and censures , we have done with them . Shall they force themselves into our familiarity or communion in spight of us ? Your Epist. 54. ad Mettagerium openeth the matter so fairly , that we little differ from it . If you say that Presbyterians and Episcopal set up Courts , Judicatories , with Officers like Civil Courts : I answer , 1. The more pomp and likeness to the Magistrates coercive way , the worse I like it . 2. But how shall men be heard , if they be not cited ? How shall such things be Justly and Regularly , transacted , if there be not a known Time and Place , and if Accusers and Witnesses be not summoned ? Are not such regular proceedings necessary even in Cases of meer arbitration ? If this be all , here is no more Sword , no more force , than in a Pulpit . And how doth Excommunication ( that is , declaring an Impenitent person unfit for Church Communion by Christs Laws , and binding him over to the great day ) I say how doth this touch mens bodies or estates , or work any otherwise than a Pulpit-Sermon on the consciencious Volunteers ? 3. And if horning , or Writs de Excommunicato Capiendo , or imprisonment , or burning men as Hereticks follow this , all this is the Magistrates own doing ? If it be well , praise him for it . If it be ill , blame him for it . If Rulers will make such Laws , and if they will so far be Executioners of the Clergies Decrees , who can hinder them ? If it be against their right , it is their own act , who give so much of their right away . If you say , that Clergy men are too blame that urge them to it ; you shall not easily think worse of their so doing , than I do : It is greatly against our wills that the Sword so closely followeth Excommunication . I think it is the effect of Carnal Clergy mens base conceit of their own Sacred Office , as if it were a Leaden unpowerful Sword which Christ hath put into their hands , and Excommunication were invalid , when the Sword forceth not the impenitent to dissemble Repentance and Submission . When great worldly baits have enticed worldly men into the Sacred Office , as to a worldly preferment and Trade , they will judge accordingly and manage it like themselves ( which is and hath been the Churches Pest ) We would beg on our knees of Kings and Magistrates , if it would prevail , to leave Church Censures to our Lords intended use ; and valeant quantum valere possunt ; and to keep their Sword out of Church-mens hands , and to punish men in their own Courts for every crime that deserveth it ; but not quatenus excommunicate , or meerly because the Clergy hath judged them unmeet for Church Communion . He that taketh Excommunication alone for no punishment , is not fit to be in the Communion of the Church , and therefore should not be driven for fear of a Prison to that which he hath no right to . So that you must not charge the acts of Princes , nor of ambitious Cardinals , &c. neither on Calvin , Beza , or any such as them . And as to Lay-Elders , or Lay-Chancellors , I am no more for them than you are ; that is , as the Magistrates Officers , or as the Churches Sub-Officers circa sacra & non in sacris : But sure those of them who are introduced on a mistaken conceit of Divine right , and do no more than the Pastors do , are no Usurpers of Coercive power . You see by the late Acts of King and Parliament in Scotland , that all External Church power is declared to be in the King : And what would you have more ? No doubt the meaning is not , All power about external things : For the Sacraments of Baptism and the Lords Supper , and the persons baptized , &c. are external objects : Nor can it be all power that is exercised by the external parts of the body . For the Tongue of the Preacher , and the Hand of the Baptizer , as well as the Ear of the Hearer is an external part . But in these two senses it is true , and commonly consented to , by all that I remember of my acquaintance that are Christians . 1. That all the power of the Sword , or of forcing by Mulcts or bodily punishments , as distinct from the power of the Word , that worketh directly upon the soul alone ( by the senses ) is in the King , and not in any of the Clergy , though it be about the matters of Religion . 2. And that all power in Church matters and Religion . Extrinsecal to the Pastoral Office as instituted by Christ , is of right the Kings , and his inferiour Magistrates . And what would you or any man have more ? 4. And as to the exercise of our Office , we all confess ( except the Papists ) that we are responsible to the King and Magistrates , for our faults , yea for our injurious mal-administration . And that though the King be not the Chief Pastor , nor hath the power of the Keys which Christ gave to his Ministers , yet he is the Ruler of all Churches and Pastors by the Sword , as well as of all Physicions . And is not all this enough to satisfie you , that we claim no part of the Magistrates Office ? As you say , our power is but Perswasive . It is 〈◊〉 . By the Word ; It is but on the Conscience ; It is under the Magistrates coercive Government : And so it is like a Physicions or a Tutors in a Colledge . But that I pray you leave not out 1. That it is not under the Magistrates , as to the derivation of the office or power , that is , It is no office which the Magistrate made or may unmake : 2. That it is as immediately of Divine Institution as the Magistrates . And therefore in your similitude you must suppose your Physicion and Tutor to have a Commission from God. 3. That God hath described our office , and limited the Magistrates office , so that he hath no power from God to hinder the Ministry . 4. But if he do it injuriously we must not resist , but patiently suffer for obeying God. So much of the nature of the office . II. Now that it is certain that God hath committed to Pastors , such a Government of his Church by the Word , as to stated commissioned Officers , because I have past by the proofs in my following Propositions , I will add some here . Supposing what Dr. Hammond hath said of the Power of the Keyes , and that no man with common sense can take the Power of the Keyes , for any thing less than a power of Church Government , or Authoritative Guidance , and so a Power of receiving in and putting out as there is cause ; It is plain in that Christ first reciteth his own Commission and Power , Matth. 28. 18 , 19 , 20. and thence dateth the Commission of his Apostles , as it was to endure to the end of the age or world . See Isa 22. 22. & Rev. 3. 7. & 1. 18. compared with Matth. 16. 19. & John 20. 23. The word Presbyter and Bishop can signifie no less : as Acts 4. 8 , &c. compared with Acts 14. 23. & 15. 2 , 4 , 6 , 22 , 23. & 16. 4. & 20. 17 , 28. Titus 1. 5. James 5. 14. 1 Pet. 5. 1. Rev. 4. 4 , &c. And nothing less can be meant by 1 Tim. 5. 17. The Elders that Rule well are worthy of double honour , &c. Heb. 13. 17. 24. Obey them that have the Rule over you , for they watch , &c. 1 Thess. 5. 12 , 13. Know them that labour among you , and are over you in the Lord , and admonish you , 1 Tim. 3. 1 , 4 , 5. If a man desire the office of a Bishop , he desireth a good work — One that Ruleth well his own house , having his children in subjection . — For if a man know not how to rule his own house , how shall he take care of the Church of God. So Tit. 1. 7 , &c. 1 Pet. 5. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4. Many other I pass by . And for the act of excommunication , or excluding unmeet persons from Christian Church Communion , it would be tedious to stand to vindicate all those plain Texts from any mens exceptions , 1 Cor. 5. per totum . Titus 3. 10. 2 John 10 , 11. 2 Thess. 3. 6 , 14. Rev. 2. 14 , 15 , 20. But while I am writing this , I remember that I have long ago written a small Book called Universal Concord , in which I have described all the Pastoral Office and Work : If you can prove it less than I have there named in any one point , you will so far ease us , and take nothing from us at all that gratifieth our flesh : If you can deny none of that , we are agreed . And in the Preface to the same Book I have given you twelve Reasons of the great use of Church Discipline ; which shall save me the labour of the third point which I intended next to speak to ; save only that I will briefly ask you , III. Would you have any difference made between the Christian Church and the Pagan and Infidel world ? If not — If you would , it must be such a difference as Christ hath appointed us to make ? And doth our Baptismal Covenant contain no promise and profession of godliness and obedience , as well as of Belief ; and so of Repentance and a better life ? 2. Who would you have to be Judge in this matter ? Shall every one be Judge himself ? Then all Pagans , Murderers , Blasphemers may come in and turn Religion and the Church into a scorn . If any must judge , you would not sure set the Magistrates or people such a task ( on pain of damnation ) to leave their Calling , to try and judge of the qualifications of expectants or Church-members . 3. Whom do you think Christ committed this business to ? Who were the Judges of the Capacity of persons to be baptized , or the desert of persons to be rejected ? Diotrophes could not have rejected Christians injuriously , if he had not then had some Governing power . 4. Hath not all Christs Church exercised such a Discipline as I have described since the Apostles days till now ? ( saving the corruption of it by ill additions , or carnal neglects ) And hath all this Church been from the beginning under a false Government in the main ? Or is not Reformation a righter way than extirpation , of Discipline as well as of Doctrine and Worship ? 5. Is it not the wickedness of Christians that is the chief hardening of Turks and other Infidels against Christianity ? And would they not encrease this pollution that would have the most vicious to be equally received with the best ? 6. Is not Faith for Holiness , and did not Christ come to purifie a peculiar people , and restore us to the Image of God ? And if for want of Discipline Saints and Swine be equally Church-members , and partakers of holy things , is that agreeable to this design of our Redeemer ? 7. If Oeconomical Government and School Government and Colledge Government be no wrong to Kings , neither is the Church Government which Christ hath instituted . I do not say all this to intimate that you say the contrary . But because your Charge on Luther , Calvin and other Protestants sheweth that you do sure mistake them : And to tell you that I joyn with you in disowning the KINGDOM and Magistracy of the Mock-Church of Rome ; and of all that will imitate them ; But that I take the Enmity to and grosse neglect of true Church-Discipline , to be one of Satans principal services that is done him upon earth , against true Godliness . The Churches and the Magistrates Power stated in matters of Religion ; In an hundred Propositions , which almost all sober Protestant Teachers are agreed in . A Reconciliation of the sober Episcopal , Presbyterians , Independents and Erastians . To my very Learned , sincere and worthy Friend Ludovicus Molinaeus Dr. of Physick ( The Author of many Treatises on this subject . ) Dear Sir , UPON the perusal of your Writings which you sent me , the love of the Church , and of Truth and Peace and you , doth command me to tell you as followeth ; 1. That I make no question , but that the Pride of the Clergy ( with their Covetousness ) hath for above twelve hundred years been a greater plague to the Churches throughout the Christian world , than all the cruelties of the Laity : And that the sensless forgetting the matter and manner of Christs decision of his Apostles Controversie , Which of them should be the greatest , hath divided the East and West , and corrupted and kept down Religion ; whilest that the lives of the Prelates have perswaded the observers , that they still took it for a more important Question , Which of them should be the greatest ? than , Whether they or their people should be saved . And it hath ever been a matter of easie remarque , that there have been seldom any dangerous Schisms on one side , or any cruel Persecutions on the other side , which the Clergy have not been the principal causes of : And that the Laity would be more quiet , if the Clergy did not delude them , or exasperate them ; And that even the more mistaken and violent sort of Magistrates , would have some moderation in their Persecutions , if the Clergy did not make them believe , that a burning killing Zeal is the mark of a good Christian , and is the same that in Tit. 2. 14. is called a zeal of good works ; and that to destroy the bodies of men truly fearing God , is the way to save their own souls , or their Dominions at least ; when indeed , the zeal of Christs commanding , is a zealous Love to one another , and a zealous doing good to others , and the Devilish zeal ( as St. James distinguisheth it , James 2. 15 , 16 , 17. ) is an envious , hating , hurting zeal . 2. That in all this the Laity are not innocent , but must thank themselves for the evil that befalleth them ; and that on two notable accounts : 1. Because they have ordinarily the choosing of the dignified and beneficed Churchmen , and they have but such as they choose themselves : They think it is their wisdom as well as piety , to make the Honour and Profit so great , as shall be a very strong bait to Pride and Covetousness : And when they have so done , the Proudest and most Covetous will certainly be the Seekers ; and that with as much craft and diligence , as an ambitious mind can use their parts to : And he that seeketh ( by himself and friends ) is likest to find : And the more humble and heavenly any one is , and consequently most honest , and fit to be a Pastor of the Church , the further he will be from the Seekers way ! So that except it be where the world hath Rulers so wise and strangely pious , as to seek out the worthy who seek not for themselves , its easie to prognosticate what kind of Pastors the Church will have : And verily they that choose them , are the unfittest to complain of them . Whereas if the Churches maintenance were such , as might but prevent the discouragements of such as seek the Ministry for the works sake and for the love of souls , that so Students might not make it a Trade for wealth , but a self-denying dedication of themselves to God , the Churches would be accordingly provided ; And they that intend the saving of souls , would be the Candidates , ( by their own and their Parents dedication ) as now they that intend a Trade to live and serve the flesh by ( in an honourable way ) are too great a part of them . Or men might be further rewarded ex post facto for their Merits , without being tempted to study principally for that reward . And if we will needs have carnal men , let us not wonder if they live carnally . And if the carnal mind be enmity to God , and neither is nor can be subject to his Law , Rom. 8. 6 , 7. we may easily prognosticate how Christs enemies will do his work , and guide his Church , and whether their wills and wayes will be such as the conscionable can conform to . 3. And the Laity are unexcusable , because it is they ( in all those Countreys where Popery and Church-tyranny prevaileth ) who put their Sword into the Clergies hands , and give away their own authority , and set up men to vie with them , and to overtop them : of which more anon . 3. I grant you also , that in all such Countreys as aforesaid ( where Popery and Church-tyranny prevaileth ) the name of Ecclesiastical Courts and Discipline , is applyed to that mungrel power , which is neither Fish nor Flesh ; and that the true Spiritual Power set up by Christ , is corrupted and turned into a secular thing , or by confusion , a third sort arisen out of both . And that Popish Princes are wofully abused by this deceit : while that the reverence of the name of the Church and Church-Government , doth perswade them to ruine the Church indeed , and to set up their Subjects to be the Governours of themselves , and to give away their own power to their servants , and then to stoop to the power which they have given . 4. And I grant you , that all this mischief would much be cured , if Magistrates would keep the Sword to themselves , and use it only according to the judgement of their proper Courts ; and would leave the Power of the Church Keyes to the Pastors , & valeant quantum valere possunt ; and let it be thought penalty enough for an excommunicate person qua talis to be excommunicate : And not to take him to be a penitent , or worthy of the Communion of the Church , that had rather be there than in a Gaol . There be wiser wayes of bringing men to Repentance and to the Communion of the Church , than by saying [ Choose this or the Goal : You are worthy to be in the Church , if you had but rather be in it than in a Prison . ] Christ said , [ Forsake all , or ye cannot be my Disciples ; ] And some say , [ Be Christs Disciples , or forsake all : The Church will receive you , if you will but accept her communion rather than imprisonment or beggary . ] A kind Church indeed ! of which more anon . 5. But notwithstanding all these concessions , I must further tell you , that it is the Pastors of the Churches that must keep up the interest of Christianity in the world ; and that as the bad ones are the greatest plagues , so the good ones are the greatest blessings of the earth ; even the salt and lights of the world : And none but the enemies of Christ are their enemies , ( as such . ) And as the Ministry hath grown better or worse , so hath Christianity either risen or fallen , in all times and places of the Church on earth . ( Of which see Two Sheets which I have written for the Ministery , against the Seekers and Malignants long ago . ) 6. And though the Carnal Clergy afore described , deserve all the invectives in your Books , and their Usurpations , and turning Church Discipline into a secular thing , do call aloud for a just detection and rebuke , and it would be the happiness of the world , if the eyes of all Christian Princes and Rulers , were opened in this point ; yet I must tell you , that I believe most sober , pious Protestant Divines are really agreed in the main things that you desire and intend ; And that both you and some of your adversaries both do amiss , to make the difference seem wider than indeed it is : And that making Verbal differences seem real , and small ones seem great , is an ill employment ; when a few distinctions and clearer explications , would make both sides see , that they are almost of one mind . Therefore all that I shall do in this business is , to lay down my own judgement , and I think the judgement of all the pious and sober part , of the Episcopal , Presbyterian , Independents and Erastians ( or Politicians ) in certain brief Propositions , which shall carry their own evidence past all contradiction of Learned and Considerate Christians . Prop. 1. THe work of the Gospel-Ministry is not a work of meer Charity and Liberty , but an Office-work : Authority , Reason and Love , are its principles , Matth. 28. 19 , 20. Titus 1. 5. Acts 14. 23. 2. This Office is instituted by Christ himself , and by the Holy Ghost , Ibid. Acts 20. 28 , &c. 3 ▪ It was instituted for great and necessary ends , that the Ministry might be Christs Agents , Messengers , S●eward● , &c. for the furthering the affairs of his Spiritu●l Kingdom , and mens salvation in the world , 1 Cor. 4. 1 , 2. 1 Tim. 3. 1 , 2 , 3 , &c. Acts 20. 28. 1 Thess. 5. 12 , 13. ●●b . 13. 17. 4. It was first put into the hands of Apostles ch●s●n by Christ himself ; who were to be the Gatherers , Edifiers ●nd Guides of his Church , and to be its foundation built on Christ , and the transmitters of the Gospel , and a stated Ministry to the following Ages . 5. Though the extraordinary part of their work ceased with them , the ordinary part continueth after them , with a Ministry which is to continue to the end of the world Eph. 4. 11 , &c. 6. This Office was in time before a Christian Magistrate , and must be the same where there is any such , and where there is none , Matth. 28. 20. Eph. 4. 12 , 14 , 16 , &c. 7. It consisteth in an Authority conjunct with an Obligation to do their proper work . 8. This Ministerial Office is subordinate to Christ in the three parts of his Office , Prophetical , Priestly , Kingly ( as they are commonly distinguished ) or , in Teaching , Worshipping God , and Governing his flocks , John 20. 21. Matth. 28. 19 , 20. 1 Cor. 4. 1 , 2. 1 Tim. 3. 2 , 3 , &c. & 5. 17. Acts 6. 4. 9. It is essential to the Office to have all these in Divine Authority , but not in Exercise , nor in the Civil Liberty of exercising them ( which may be hindered ) Acts 5. 18 , &c. 10. The Office is to be judged of by Gods Institution , and not by the Ordainers wills intention , or contrary expressions ; if the essence of the Office be delivered in general words . 11. Christ made these Officers the Key-bearers of his Churches , that is , the Rulers or Guides , who have authority under him over Church communion , to judge what members shall be taken in , and who shall be put out , Mat. 16. 19. Heb. 13. 17 , 24. 1 Thess. 5. 12 , 13. 12. The first and great act of this Key-bearing power ( never denyed them from Christs time to this day ) is the power of Baptizing and of judging who shall be admitted by Baptism into the Church or number of visible Christians , Mat. 28. 19 , 20. Acts 2. 41. & 8. 12 , 13 , 38. 13. This power is not arbitrary but Ministerial , regulated by Christs universal Laws ; which describeth every mans Title to admittance ; which is [ his own ( or Parents if an Infants ) understanding , voluntary , serious Profession of Consent to the Baptismal Covenant . ] Acts 2. 38. & 8. 12. & 10. 47 , 48. M●r. 16. 16. Matth. 28. 20. 14. If one Minister refuse such Consenters , others must admit him : And if many should agree utterly to tyrannize , both Magistrates by just Laws may correct them , and the people desert them , for better Guides : 1 Kings 2. 27. 2 John 10 , 11. Mat. 7. 15. & 16. 6. 15. The Churches Communion and Sacraments are not to be common to all the world . Otherwise the Church were no Church , as consisting of Heathens , Infidels and all , that would come even purposely to pollute and scorn the holy Mysteries , 1 Cor. 10. 16. 2 Cor. 6. 14. Acts 2. 47 , &c. 16. It is necessary therefore that some men be the Judges who are fit , and who shall be admitted . Else there can be no difference . Of this see my Treatise of Confirmation . 17. Every man is not to be the sole publick Judge for himself : For then there would be still no difference , nor the Mysteries kept from common scorns . 18. The Magistrate is not made the first and proper Judge : For then he must make a Calling of it , and attend upon this very thing , to try the baptized and the admitted ▪ which is no small work . For he that judgeth , must first try the Case , and that with the diligence which the weight of it requireth , Acts 8. 37. 19. The People are not to be the ordinary Judges : for else they must all leave their Callings to attend baptizings , and such works as th●se ; and must do that which most of them are unfit to do : And Christ hath put all out of doubt , by putting the Keys into the Pastors hands , and commanding their study and attending to this work , and calling them the Rulers , Guides , Pastors , Fathers , Stewards , Overseers &c. and commanding the people to obey them with submission ; and telling ( not the people or Magistrates ) but the Pastors of the great and dreadful account that they must give , Heb. 13. 17. Matth. 24. 45 , 46 , 47. 1 Cor. 4. 1 , 2. 2 Tim. 4. 1 , 2. & 1 Tim. 4. 15 , 16. 20. He that will lay this work upon people or Magistrates , is their cruel enemy ; and brings on them a most heavy burden , and consequently makes it their duty to prepare and study for it , and to avoid all other business that hindereth it , and would lay them under the terrors of a most tremendous reckoning unto God. 21. Seeing it is a trust that must be committed to some or other , common reason tells us , that it is better in their hands that Christ hath put it in by Office , and who spend their lives in preparation for it , than in theirs that neither have the preparations nor the Office , 1 Cor. 9. 16. & 2 Cor. 5. 19 , 20. 1 Cor. 4. 1 , 2. 22. It is the great end of Christs coming into the world to destroy the works of the Devil , and to purifie to himself a peculiar people zealous of good works , and to save his people from their sins , and to vindicate the Holiness of God : And the world is so apt to judge of Christs doctrine by his followers , that the Holiness and Concord of Christians is one of Christs great appointed means , for his own and his Fathers glory in the world : That as Gods greatness shineth forth in the frame of nature , so might his Holiness in the Church : And the Enemies of Holiness and condemned by their Creed , when they profess to believe the Holy Catholick Church , and the Communion of Saints . And Rome it self doth own the name and pretence of Holiness . 23. Travellers well know , that the great hinderance of the Conversion of Infidels and Heathens , Turks , Persians , Indians , Tartarians , &c. is the wicked lives of the professed Christians that are next them ; when they see that Christians are more false , and cruel , and drunken , and beastly , and divided , &c. than themselves . 24. Those therefore that would have the Church lye common ( without Christs Discipline ) to all the most prophane and wicked that will come in , and have communion with it , are indeed Antichristian , even open enemies to the Church , to holiness , and to the saving of the Infidel and Heathen world , 1 Cor. 5. 6 , 11 , 12 , 13. 1 Pet. 2. 9. Tit. 2. 14. 25. The Devil hath fought in all Ages as subtilly and diligently against the holy Discipline of Christ , as against the Christian Doctrine . 26. True Discipline doth so wonderfully displease the guilty , and lose mens love , and especially the Richer sort , and all mens carnal interest and nature inclineth them so much to man-pleasing and flattery , that Ministers have abundance more need to be driven to the exercise of Discipline , than restrained from it ; except it be the corrupt and carnal Discipline which the Popish and tyrannizing Clergy do exercise , where the Magistrate himself upholdeth them in Grandure , and lendeth them his Sword. Let Discipline be but such as Christ appointed , and stand of it self , and then it is but few that will have any more cause , to be restrained from it , than from too much preaching : Though still I yield , that there must be limits for the wilful and the indiscr●et , 1 Cor. 5. 3 John 9. 27. The true Discipline of Christ hath been acknowledged to be his Ordinance , in all the Churches almost in the world , since the Apostles dayes till now ; save that ( as you open it ) since Constantines time it hath been much corrupted by the mixture of the secular force , and the Emperours lending his Church-power to the Bishops and Councils . 28. Government hath two parts : Antecedent to mens facts , which is Legislation ; and Consequent , which is Judgement and Execution . Christ is the only Lawgiver of Universal Laws to the universal Church ; and the Author of his own Doctrine , and the substantials of his Worship : But yet there are many undetermined circumstances , which may and must be antecedently determined , some by each Pastor ; some by a consent of Pastors , and some by Magistrates ( if they please ) . I will name you twenty lately named elsewhere ; 1. What day ( besides the Lords day ) and what hour , the Church shall meet . 2. How long the Prayers , Reading and Sermons shall be . 3. When and how often publick Fasts and Thanksgivings be . 4. What place the Church shall meet in . 5. Of the Form , Ornaments , Seats , &c. of the Temples . 6. The place and form of the Pulpit . 7. The subject of the present Sermon , and the Chapter to be read . 8. The Method of the Sermon . 9. The Words of Sermons and Prayers . 10. Of using or not using Books and Sermon Notes for memory . 11. What Translation of Scripture to use . 12. And what Version and Meeter of the Psalms . 13. And what Tune to sing in . 14. What form of Catechism to use . 15. Of decent Habits , especially in publick Worship . 16. By what professing sign to testifie our consent to the Churches Confession of faith : Whether by speaking , or lifting up the hand , or standing up . 17. Of decent Gestures in the acts of publick Worship . 18. Of Font , Table , Cups , Cloathes , and other Utensils . 19. Making new Officers for these actions circa sacra , as Door-keepers , Clarks , Churchwardens , &c. 20. Judging when any private man shall speak in the Church , and when he shall be silent , and such other Orders necessary to peace and Edification , 1 Cor. 14. 28 , 29. 33. 26 , 40. 29. Most of these should be left to every Pastors judgement ; some may be determined by the Magistrate ; but yet some are fittest for the Concordant determination of Consociated Churches , in a Synod , or by consent . But none of them by any neighbour Pastor ( that like the Pope ) usurpeth authority over other Churches . Nor should any standing Laws at all , be made of such things where there is no need ; especially where the case is mutable , and it belongeth to the Pastors function to determine it , as occasion serveth . 2 Tim. 2. 15. Mat. 24. 45. 30. Whether these Antecedent Determinations of Concordant Pastors in a Synod , shall be called Laws , or Canons , or Decrees , is but lis de nomine : And also whether this power be called Legislative , or Jurisdiction . And who will trouble the Church unnecessarily about words and names ? But yet I think they may be best called Canons or Agreements : And I wish that high Titles be laid aside , lest it encourage the usurping Spirit , that aspireth after too high things . 31. Grotius de Imperi● summarum potestatum circa sacra hath said so much and so well of all this Controversie , that it is a shame to us all that we need any more , and a shame to me to trouble the world after him , with Writings on that subject , so far less useful ; and to any one , to cloud that which he hath clearly and judiciously stated ; were it not that renewed occasions require it . 32. Pastors have not only the charge of right ordering the Assemblies , but also of helping and overseeing all the individuals of their charge ; And to help them in the personal application of the Scriptures to themselves , and to resolve their particular Doubts and Cases of Conscience ; and to reprove , admonish and comfort the individuals as there is need . As a Physicion is not only to read a Physick Lecture to his Hospital , but to Govern each Patient in order to his Cure. 33. Ordination is & rei & ordinis gratia an act of Office , by which the Ministerial Office and Power is Ministerially delivered by way of Investiture and Solemnization , as a house is delivered by a Key , and a parcel of Land by a Turf and Twig , by the hand of a Servant appointed thereunto . Or as our Church state is delivered to us by Baptism by the like investiture . Though yet it is God directly , who giveth the Power , and that secondarily by his servant thus investeth us in it ; though not without the previous Call which is necessary thereunto . 34. Ordination is not an idle Ceremony which the Ordainer must perform upon the judgement of others ( Prince or people ) without his own cognizance of the person , or against his Conscience : But he that must ordain , must first judge the person fit to be ordained ; and therefore must also try his fitness , 1 Tim. 5. 22. 35. So much of the Antecedent power of the Ministry ▪ in which it is to be noted , that Ordination and Baptism are efficient acts , like Generation in nature , under God the first efficient , as ex Quo omnia , and as they are ordinis gratia , are the beginning of Government also . And Government is an Ordering act , as under God the supream Governour , ut per Quem omnia . And Sacramental entertainment with Christs body and blood in Church Communion , is Actus Am●ris , a final act , of friendship , under God as the final Cause , ad Quem omnia . 36. The subsequent part of the Pastoral Government , is by using the members of the Church in the exercise of the Pastoral Office , according to their several deserts : which is by a General , and particular application of the Word of God to their Consciences , and guiding them in circumstances , and judging of actions and persons according to that Word , in order to the good of souls , and the preservation of the Church and truth , Acts 20. 28. Heb. 13. 17. 37. When the whole Church falleth into notorious sin , the Pastors must reprove them , and call them to repentance : And if they apostatize forsake them , as ceasing to be a Church . 38. When a single member falleth into notorious scandal , the Pastor must admonish him , and call him to repentance : and if he remain impenit●nt and obstinate after due admonition , and publick exhortation and patience , he must [ as Christs Steward of his Word and Family , pronounce him a person unfit for Church communion , and require or command him in the name of Christ to forbear it , and the Church to forbear his communion , declaring him also unpardoned by Christ till he rep●nt , and binding him over to his judgement . ] So that Excommunication is a Sentence of the person as uncapable of Church communion according to Christs Laws , and a fore-judging him as unpardoned and condemnable by Christs judgement , unless he repent , and a command to the sinner to forbear the communion and priviledges of the Church , and to the Church to avoid him , 1 Cor. 5. Titus 3. 10 , &c. 39. If the sinner repent , the Pastor is Christs Officer , in his name to pronounce him pardoned , if his repentance be sincere ; and the Guide of the Church to require them to receive him again into their communion , 2 Cor. 2. 7 , 10 , 11. Gal. 6 1 , 2 , 3. 40. Because Magistrates and people ( as aforesaid ) cannot attend so great a work as this , without the neglect of their particular Callings , and are not to be supposed so ●it as the Pastor , and because God hath made it the work of his Office , the people are to rest in his judgement about the fitness and Title of those that have the publick Church communion with them , ( though they are the Judges and Choosers of their Domestick and private familiars : ) And they must not separate from them that are thus regularly admitted . 41. Yet when the Pastors by mal-administration , give them just cause , the flock may seek their due remedy : of which more anon . 42. This power is essentially in the Ministerial Office ; and therefore is in every single Pastor , and not only in some few , or in the abler sort , or only in a Synod , Mat. 16. 19. 43. When a Church hath but one Pastor he must exercise it alone ( with due consideration and advice . ) But when a Church hath many Pastors , they must exercise it ( and all Church guidance ) in a way of Concord , and avoid all dissentions among themselves , Ephes. 4. 3 , 4 , 5. 1 Cor. 1. 10. John 17. 21 , 22. 44. Therefore in such a case a particular Pastor may be obliged oft to suspend some such acts , because the Major Vote of his Syn-Presbyters are against it ; Not that they are his Governours for the Majority of Vote , but because the Laws of Concord require the Minor part to submit to the Major . 45. The same is the reason why in Elections , Consents and other acts belonging to the flock , the Major Vote should carry it in things lawful ; not because the people have any true Church Government ; but because they are obliged to Unity and Concord ; And in that case , the Law of Nature calleth the Minor part to submit to the Major , lest there never should be any Concord had . 46. And the same is the reason why in Synods and Councils , the Major Vote of the Bishops must prevail , in lawful things not forbidden of God. 47. If any Pastor in the world pragmatically thrust himself into another mans charge , and pretend himself to be the Ruler of his neighbour Churches and Pastors , and attempt to exercise authority over them , he is to be slighted as an Usurper , and a disturber of the order and peace of the Churches of Christ , 3 John 9 , 10. 48. Yet every Pastor is an Officer and Minister of Christ ( as to the unconverted world to call them , so ) to the universal Church to exercise his Office in it where ever he hath an orderly call ! And if he teach , or administer Sacraments or Discipline , upon such a particular call , in a neighbour Church pro tempore , he doth it as an Officer of Christ ( and their Pastor pro tempore ) and not as a Lay-man : As a licensed Physicion medicateth another Physicion , or anothers Hospital , when called to it , not only as a neighbour that is unlicensed , but as a licensed Physicion . So Timothy , Ap●llo , Silas , and others did . 49. Therefore neighbour Pastors must have so much care of other Churches as to admonish them against the infection of any Heresie or Scandal , which they see them in apparent danger of ; whether by heretical wicked Pastors , or others . 50 All neighbour Churches capable of correspondence , are bound to hold a special concord among themselves , for the advantage of the Gospel by their Unity , or for the conversion of the Infidel world , and for the preservation of the several Churches from danger , by Heresie or discord , Acts 15. John 17. 21 , 22. Eph. 4. 3 , 6. 51. He that is excommunicated justly in one Church should not be received by the rest till he repent : Therefore the neighbour Churches may do well , to acquaint each other whom they have excommunicated , when there is cause . 52. This correspondence is to be kept by Messengers , Letters , or Synods . 53. Whether such Synods be stated , or occasional , and whether the President shall be still the same or changed , with such other circumstances , are things not determined in Scripture , but left to the determination of humane prudence , as the case shall require , for the end intended . 54. Though the Major part in these Synods , be not the proper Governours of the Minor , yet the Pastors there assembled are still the Governours of the flocks , and they are also bound to Concord in things lawful among themselves . Therefore their Decrees about such things , are Obligatory to the People ratione authoritatis , and they are obligatory to one another ( I mean the Pastors ) ratione concordiae : And this is the true state of the binding power of Synods . 55. Though the usual phrase of [ binding the Conscience ] be unapt , ( Conscience being an act of science ; and it is not to know that by the obligation now in question we are bound to primarily ) yet as to the sense intended , it is certain , that the Commands of Parents , Magistrates and Pastors , in their proper places , do all truly bind the soul , or will , or man , or as they say , the Conscience ; But it is only by a secondary obligation , from a derived power ; as God bindeth it by a primary obligation by the primitive power . He that hath no power of obliging , hath no power of Governing . And he that obligeth not the soul and will , obligeth not the man at all , by any Moral obligation : The body alone or immediately is bound by Cords and Chains , but not by Commands and Laws : He that may not bind the soul by a Command , hath no commanding authority , Col. 3. 20 , 22. Eph. 6. 1. Tit. 3. 1. Heb. 13 17 , 24. & 11. 8. 56. Therefore the distinction of Internal and External Government , and of the forum interius & exterius , needeth better explication , than is used by most ; or else it will be worse than useless . The true difference of the Government Civil and Ecclesiastical is to be fetcht , ab objecto , & fine proximo & modo regendi . But as it meaneth that which is In●rinsecal or Extrinsecal to the Pastoral Office , it is of great use . And as it differenceth Government by the Sword , from that which worketh only on the mind . 57. The same God who instituted the Office of the Magistrate , did also immediately institute the Office of the Ministry : And therefore as to the Foundation they are co-ordinate , and neither of them derived from the possessors of the other . 58 As to the Work and End , the Magistrates work and the Ministers have each a preheminency in their own kinds . 59. Magistrates , Ministers and Parents may all command the same thing , and all their Commands be obligatory ; As to learn a Cat●chisme , to observe the Lords Day , &c. 60. It is not lawful for Pastors to Excommunicate either Kings , or their chief Magistrates , or their own Parents ( unless perhaps in some rare case ) by any publick formal or dishonouring Excommunication . Because the great Command in Nature [ Honour thy Father and Mother ; Honour the King ] lyeth lower than the positive Command of Excommunication ; and is antecedent to it : And as affirmatives bind not semper & ad semper , so also they give place to Natural Laws , and not Naturals ( ordinarily to them . And the Rulers Honour is of more publick use and necessity , than excommunication in that particular act is . But an Usurping Tyrant , who may be deposed , and dishonoured , may be excommunicated . 61. Much less may a strange Pastor , to whom the Magistrate never committed the care of his soul , presume to excommunicate him who is none of his charge : And therefore the Pope and his Prelates excommunicating Kings and Rulers , seemeth to me , to be nothing but a proclaiming open Hostility against them . 62. Pastors have no Power over any but Consenters : Nor can they use the Sword , or have any Coactive power at all ; that is , any power to touch a mans body or estate : but only to work upon his Conscience , and his Church-reputation . The forcing power belongeth only to Parents , and Magistrates , and not to Ministers as such at all , Luke ●● . 25 , 26 , 27. 1 Pet. 5. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4. 2 Cor. 10. 4. 63. The similitude of a Physicions power , ( if you will but suppose him to have a Hospital of Volunteers , and his office to be of Divine institution ) ; or of a Philosophers or Tutors ( on the like supposition ) over adult Disciples , may much explicate the Church power . No wise Physicion will take any into his Hospital and Cure , upon unsafe destructive terms , which the Patient or Magistrate shall impose ; but will say , [ It is my function to Rule you , as to Medicine for your Cure ; Take what I give you , and use your self upon it as I advise you , or else take your course ; you are no Patient for me ; nor shall be in my Hospital : I will not strike you , nor fine and imprison you ; but I will be none of your Physicion , ( or saith the Tutor , I will be none of your Teacher ) nor shall you be any part of my Hospital , ( School ) or charge . ] Only still remember here the Divine institution of the Ministry and Discipline , and the regulation of it by Gods Laws , that it be not arbitrarily used . 64. The undoing of the Church of Christ ( in those Countreys where Popery and Church-tyranny prevail ) hath long been by the Magistrates annexing their executions to the sentence of the Church ( as it is called ) and becoming the meer Executioners of the judgement of other men . No Magistrate should be debased , so as to be made the Churches Executioner . If the Magistrate will punish a man , it must not be meerly quatenus excommunicate , that is , as punished already ; but for the fault for which he was excommunicate . And if so , then he must try and judge him for that fault at his own barr , and not punish him unheard , because the Church hath sentenced him : And if Rulers would more leave the Church to the exercise of its proper power , and let excommunication do what it can of it self , ( unless the nature of the crime require a distinct Secular judgement and punishment ) it would do much to heal all the divisions and perturbations in the Christian world . For which course I have these Reasons following to urge . 1. It is a great contempt and reproach to Christs institution of discipline , to tell the world , that it is a powerless uneffectual thing of it self , unless the Secular Sword do enforce it . Such Pastors vilifie their own power also , which is so useless . 2. It is a corrupting of Christs discipline , and destroying the use of it : For it cannot be known now , what the Keyes do of themselves , when the Sword goeth with them : No man knoweth when Repentance professed is credibly real and moved by divine Motives ; and when it is dissembled for avoiding of the Secular punishment . 3. It must leave the Pastors conscience unsatisfied in his administrations ; and bind him to abuse Christ ; when he must say to men , [ If you had but rather say that you repent , than lye in a Gaol , I absolve you , and give you the Sacraments , and pronounce you pardoned by Christ. ] Who can administer on these terms ? 4. It is a dangerous deluding of the sinners soul , that seemeth intimated by this way . 5. It is a wilful corrupting and confounding of the Church ; when men shall be forced to be its members , though they be Infidels , Heathens , or most impious , if they had but rather say they are Christians than lye in Gaol . And by this means it is , that no man can know , who are really of the Church of Rome , or of any tyrannical Church , but only who had rather say they are of the Church , than be undone : which any Infidel and Atheist will soon do . Therefore let not Rome boast of the number of her members which are unknown . 6. It is a changing of Christs terms of Covenant , Christianity , Communion and Absolution : when Christ saith , [ He that from his heart believeth and repenteth , and forsaketh the flesh and the world for me , shall be my Disciple and be pardoned ; and he that credibly professeth thus much , shall be taken into the Church ( which are truly Christs terms ) now cometh the Church-tyrant and saith [ He that will say , that he believeth and repenteth rather than he will forsake the flesh and the world , and will choose the Church before a Gaol , shall be pardoned , and have communion with the Church , or at least have the seals of pardon to delude him . 7. By this means the Church is mostly constituted , in such Countreys , of the grossest wicked hypocrites : And it is made a scorn to Infidels and Heathens , and their conversion hindered thereby , when they see that Christians are worse than they . 8. And by this means these hypocrites ruine the Church it self ( as an enemies Souldiers in an Army ) : And nominal Christians and Pastors , that are heartily enemies to Christ , do him more wrong , and cause more divisions and ruines in the Church , than they could have done , if they had staid without . 9. It destroyeth most of the hopes or the success of those Pastors , as to the converting and saving of mens souls : Because when the Magistrate is made but their executioner , the people take all their sufferings as from them : And they will bear that from a Magistrate , which they will not bear from a Minister , whose Office is to Rule them by Reason and by Love : And so such Pastors are usually feared and hated by the people , whereby they are disabled to do them that saving good , which can be done on none against his will , 1 Cor. 8. 13. & 9. 22. 1 Tim. 4. 16. 10. And hereby a Church-tyranny is set and kept up in the world , by which persecutions and divisions have been maintained for many hundred years ; and the Ministers of Christ have been forbidden to preach his Gospel , to the unspeakable injury of souls ; and the lives of many hundred thousands , have been a Sacrifice , to the Pride , and Avarice , and Cruelty of the Clergy ; to the great dishonour of the Christian Name . 11. And hereby Princes have had a power set over them , to the diminution of their proper power , and part of their dominion subjugated to others , under the false name of Ecclesiastical Authority ; yea , and their own standing made troublesome and unsafe , and multitudes dethroned , and Wars raised against them by the Clergies pretended power , or instigation ; of which all the Wars between the ●erman Emperours and the Papalines are full proof , recorded in all the Histories collected by Freherus , Ruberus , and Pistorius , in Sabbellicus , Nauclerus , and multitudes of other Historians ; and our English Histories , by Ingulphus , Matthew Paris , Hoveden , &c. And the Italian by Guicciardine and many others : Nay , what Countrey is there , where the Papal and Tyrannical Clergy have not overtopt or troubled the State. 12. And when all this is done , they would deceive the Princes themselves into a Consent , and so into the guilt of their own disturbance , and their peoples misery : And cast all the odium upon them , and say , we do but deliver you into the hands of the Secular Power , it is they that do the execution on you : when yet a General Council ( the Rule of their Religion ) Later . sub Innoc. 3. Can. 2 , 3. deposeth such Temporal Lords that will not do such execution . 65. He that desireth the Communion of the Church , doth take it for a grievous punishment to be cast out of it . And he that doth not desire it , is unfit for it . Therefore he that cannot feel the penalty of an Excommunication alone ( but only of a Mulct or Prison ) may be fit enough for further punishment , but is unfit for the Communion of the Church . 66. Yet is the Magistrate the Protector of the Church , a Keeper of her Peace and Priviledges and of both Tables ; and must use his power to promote Religion . 67. To which end he may prudently by moderate means constrain some that neglect their own salvation to hear Gods Word , and confer with such as can instruct them , and use those means , which God hath made universally necessary , to bring the ignorant to knowledge ; and may restrain them from actual open sin , and from scorn and opposition of the means that should convert them , and from hindering others from the means of salvation , and from open seducing them from God , or Christianity , or from a godly , righteous , or sober life : In all this , moderate penalties may be used ; and men may be thus far constrained , and restrained : But not constrained to profess that which they do not believe , nor to take the priviledges which God forbiddeth them to take . So that there are fitter means left , for the Magistrate to help the Church by . 68. The King and Magistrates have curam animarum , though not in the same sense as the Pastors have : They have the charge of Government , not only in order to the corporal case , and peace and prosperity of their subjects , but also in order to mens holy , sober and righteous living , and to the saving of mens souls . And their Calling must be sanctified , by doing all in it to these high and holy ends , Rev. 11. 15. Rom. 13. 3 , 4 , 5. Isa. 49. 23 , &c. 69. They are Gods subordinate Officers , and have their power from him , and therefore for him , who is the beginning and the end of all , Rom. 13. 2 , 4 , 5 , 6. 70. Because their power is from him and for him , they have none against him . 71. Yet have they a power which we must submit to as from God , even when it is used by accident against him , in some points of his will and interest ; so be it that we obey it not in doing any sin our selves . 72. They that make Kings and Magistrates to have no charge of Religion , ( but only as the Clergies judgement leads them , ) but only to preserve mens bodily power ; and say that the Church hath the care of mens souls and Religion , and the King only of the Body and our outward wealth , do debase the Magistrate as far below the Minister , as the body is below the soul ; and teach the people to esteem , love and honour the Minister as much above the Magistrate , as the soul and Heaven are better than the flesh and earth : And they make the difference so great , as that the holier any of the people are , the more they must prefer their Minister before their King : which is a Popish and most unsufferable debasing of the highest Officers of God. 73. The same points of Religion , the same sin and duties , come under the judgement of the Magistrate and the Pastors ; though to several ends . The Magistrate is the Judge of Heresie , and the Pastors are the Judges of Heresie : The Magistrate is the Judge of Murder , Adultery and Theft , and so is the Pastor : That is , the Magistrate is Judge , who is to be corporally punished for Heresie and Murder , and Adultery , &c. And the Pastors are Judges , who is to be excommunicated as Impenitent in such guilt , 1 Cor. 5. 3 , 4 , 5 , &c. 74. Yet there are some faults , and some sorts of inquisition into faults , which the Magistrates may prudently restrain the Pastors from medling with , for the safety of the publick peace : especially when they would indirectly make themselves Judges of mens Titles and Estates ; or in controverted cases , where the Magistrate must first decide , and the Pastors only follow , if the Pastors will be the first deciders , and prevent the Magistrate and assume his work , or otherwise wrong the publick peace , or private right , they are to be restrained . 75. The Magistrate hath all the Coactive Government , over Ministers as well as over any others of his Subjects : And to exempt the Clergy from his subjection without his consent , as traiterous . ( And if he will consent , he may thank himself . ) 76. Magistrates may ( by moderate penalties ) drive on negligent Pastors to their duty , and restrain them from mischieving the Church , and punish them for notorious pernicious mal-administration : As Solomon deposed Abiather , &c. 77. But they must not on this pretence invade any part of the Pastors Office ; as to ordain , degrade , baptize , excommunicate ecclesiastically , nor impose on the Pastors any of the circumstantials , which it is their own Office to determine of . 78. Pastors must obey the Magistrates in all Lawful things , which belong to his Office to command . 79. Many things are sinfully commanded ( because without necessity or cause , or because to ill ends , or with ill circumstances in the Commander ) which yet it is the Subjects duty to obey in : Because one Law may be for a Ruler , and another for a Subject , and their duties various . 80. Where it is not lawful to obey , it is yet unlawful for subjects to resist the higher powers , as being the authorized Officers of God , for our good , Rom. 〈…〉 2 , 3 , 5 , 6. 81. Though usually it is very unfit that Pastors be also Magistrates ( both because of some dissonancy in their necessary deportment and work , and because one of the Offices alone is enough for any man faithfully to perform ) Yet if the King make Magistrates of Pastors , as Magistrates their coactive power must be obeyed . 82. Magistrates may make Laws for the Church in circumstancials circa sacra , which belong to their proper determination : And also to enforce obedience to the Commands of God , as far as prudence shall justly direct them : of this see Grotius de Imp. sum . pot . 83. Magistrates may call Synods and Councils : And the Pastors may also voluntarily assemble , for mutual advice , either in cases of great necessity for the safety of the Church , or in lesser cases , when the Magistrate forbiddeth it not . 84. In a time when Blasphemy , or Heresie , or Sedition prevaileth , the Magistrate may name certain Blasphemies , Heresies , &c. which he may forbid his Subjects to preach up . 85. And he may restrain all utterly unable persons , or heretical false Teachers , or any that notoriously do more harm than good , from the liberty of preaching in his Dominions , till they are proved fitter ; that is , from abusing the Gospel and mens souls . 86. But if on this pretence he should forbid Christs faithful able Ministers , to preach the Christian faith , and call men to repentance , and save mens souls , ( when there are not enow more , especially to do that work , as proportioned to the number and necessity of souls ) it would be a sin so heinous against Christ , and against the souls of men , as I think it not meet now to aggravate or express , 1 Thes. 2. 15 , 16. 87. If faithful Ministers break good Laws , they must be punished as other Subjects , in Purse , or Body , or Name , so as may least hinder them in the work of Christ. 88. They that silence faithful able Pastors , for such faults as may be otherwise punished , do grievously punish the faultless people ( even in their souls ) for the fault of another . As if a man that hath a family of an hundred persons , were forbidden to give them bread to save their lives , because he was drunk , or swore an Oath , which might be punished on himself alone . 89. The Magistrate may excommunicate in his way , as well as the Pastors do in theirs . That is , the Magistrate may as a penalty for a crime , lay Subjects under a note of infamy , and Outlaw them , and command all men to avoid familiarity with them ; ( And this as bad Subjects , whether they be Church-members or not . ) And he may as a Keeper of the Churches Priviledges and Peace ( till forfeited ) restrain all excommunicate persons from forcing themselves into the Communion of the Church which did excommunicate them . 90. So contentious are Pastors oft times , and so necessary is the Magistrates Office to the publick peace , that every Church should be under the eye of some Justices of the Peace , or Censors appointed by force to silence intruding Bawlers and Railers , and to restrain Ministers from making it their publick work , unpeaceably to traduce and revile their Brethren , and represent dissenters as odious to the flock . And if such Magistrates had kept the Churches Order and Peace according to their Office , it had prevented abundance of the Papal Usurpations , which were the fruit of Magistrates neglects . 91. Lay Chancellors exercising the Spiritual Power of the Keyes ( though they should pro forma use the stale of an Ordinaries pronunciation ) is such a sort of Church Government , as I will never swear that in my place and Calling I will not at any time endeavour to alter by lawful means . 92. The Parents are put in the fourth Commandment , rather than the Magistrate or Pastor , because their authority is the most plenary Image of the Divine Authority in these respects . 1. Their Authority is not by Contract , but by Nature . 2. It is the primary radical power . 3. It is most universally necessary to mankind . 4. And it representeth Gods Government . 1. In that it is founded in Generation , as Gods in Creation . 2. Because thence ariseth 1. The fullest Image of his Dominion , in the Parents fullest Propriety in his Child . 2. Of his sapiential Rule , in the Parents Government ( as in presence ) 3. Of his Love which Parents are allowed to exceed all other Rulers in : Therefore God calls himself Our Father . 93. Q. What if the Magistrate , Minister , and Parents have opposite Commands ? Which of them is to be obeyed ? e. g. The Magistrate bids you meet in one place for publick Worship ; the Bishop in another , and the Parent in a third ? The Magistrate bids you Learn one Catechism and no other ; the Bishop another , and not that , and the Parents a third . The Magistrate bids you stand , the Pastor bids you kneel , the Parents bid you sit . The Magistrate bids you pray by one form , the Bishop by another , and the Parents by a third or none . The Magistrate commandeth one translation of the Scripture , and the Bishop another . The Bishop commandeth you to use a Ceremony , or to keep a holy day , and your Parents forbid it you ? In such cases which must you conform to and obey ? Answ. When I am desired , and promised by those concerned in it , that it will be well taken , I will answer such kind of questions as these . But till then I will hold my tongue , that I may hold my peace . 94. No contrary commands of Church-men ( as they are called ) ; nor any of our own Vows or Covenants , can excuse us from obedience to the Higher Powers , in lawful things , which God hath authorized them to command ; that is , which are belonging to their place of Government to regulate . Though if the question be but , e. g. What Medicine and Dose shall be given to a Patient , or by what Medium a Philosopher shall demonstrate ; or what Subject and what Method and Words a Pastor shall use for the present edification of his flock ; or how a Surgeon shall open a Vein , or a Pilot guide his Ship , &c. the Artist may be obeyed before an Emperour , ( by him that careth for his life , or his understanding ) . But yet as all these are under the Government of the King , so he may give them general Laws , especially to restrain them from notorious hurtfulness . Sir , If all these Propositions be enow for the Concord of sober Christians in these matters , I hope neither you , nor I , nor any lover of the Church and Peace , shall need to use much sharpness against the Opinions of such dissenters . But if they be not , I know not when we shall have concord . And yet that you may see that I am not over sollicitous of my Peace , I will make up the number with these less pleasing Propositions . 95. Because Corruptio optimi , est pessima , Magistrates and Ministers are of all men ( usually ) either the greatest Blessings or the greatest Burdens of mankind on earth . Saith Campanella , ( Metaph. ) Potentiae Corruptio , est Tyrannis maxima mundi mala . Sapientiae Corruptio , est Haeresis maxima mundi mala . Amoris Corruptio , est Hypocrisis maxima mundi mala . ( though indeed he might as well have named more . ) As Tyranny is in the greatest part of the whole world , ( which is Heathen , Infidel and Popish ) the principal sin , which hindereth the Gospel and Kingdom of Christ , forbiddeth the preaching of the Word of life for mens salvation ( And therefore a sin which no Christian Magistrate or Preacher , should think of , but with great abhorrence , and none by any palliation should befriend it ) ; so Prudent and Good Princes are under God the Pillars of the world ; For they are the Chief Officers of God , to shew forth his Power , Wisdom and Goodness , Truth and Holiness , Justice and Mercy , in their Government ; And by their Laws to promote the obedience of his Laws ; And to encourage the Preachers and Practicers of Godliness , Sobriety and Righteousness ; And to defend them against the Malignity of those that would silence , oppress and persecute them on earth ; And by their examples and punishments , to bring all ungodliness , intemperance and injustice unto shame . None therefore that possess so great a mercy , should undervalue it , or be unthankful . 96. Wise Rulers will watch the Plots of such enemies , as would use them as the Devil would have used Christ , who carried him to the Pinnacle of the Temple , in hope to have seen his fall the greater : who would have them with Herod arrogate the praise of God unto themselves , or with Pharaoh or Nebuchadnezzar to disdain to be under the Soveraignty of their Maker ? and ascribe to them the Divine Prerogatives ; And would make it seem their honour to have Power to do the greatest mischief ; that the pretence and claim may make them odious , and so may debilitate and undermine them . That like a draught of cold water to one in a Pleurisie , they may kill them by pleasing them . 97. It is an unchristian carnal craft for the Protestant Clergy of several Opinions , to lay false charges on one another , as being enemies to the Civil Government , when really their principles therein are all the same ; Or to make the differences of Statesmen and Lawyers , to be taken for differences in Religion : purposely to make one another ( and their Religion ) odious , and to strengthen themselves by the errors and passions of Princes ; till at last they have tempted the world to think as bad of all and of Religion it self , as they have said of one another , and by undermining others fall themselves . 98. But yet that Party who really make a Religion of the Doctrine of Rebellion , are to be disowned by all that will be true to God and to his Officers : In my Sermon to the Parliament the day before they Voted the Restoration of the King , I said somewhat of the difference of the Protestant and Popish Religion , in this point . And a Papist Gentleman first wrote an Invective against me , as if I had given no proof of what I said ; And several persons of unknown names wrote Letters to me to urge and challenge me to prove it : Blindly or wilfully overlooking the undeniable proof which I had there laid down , from one of their General Councils , viz. The Decrees of approved General Councils are the Papists Religion : The Decrees of approved General Councils are for the Popes deposing Temporal Lords , if they exterminate not such as deny Transubstantiation , and giving their Dominions to others : Ergo , The Popish Religion is for the Popes deposing Temporal Lords in that case , and giving their Dominions to others . The Major is not questioned . The Minor , ( besides the Concil . Rom. sub Greg. 7. which determineth that the Pope may depose Emperours ) I there proved from the express words of Concil . Lateran . sub Innoc. 3. Can. 3. which uttereth it at large . And if any Protestant do ( with Dr. Tailor , Dr. Gunning , and Dr. Pierson ) doubt of the authority of those Canons , that 's nothing to the Papists who justifie it as an approved Council , and vindicate it , as you may find with copiousness and confidence , in the printed Answer to the last named Doctors . What impudency then is it in these men to challenge me to prove , and yet overlook my proof ? 99. CHRISTIANITY according to the Scripture and primitive simplicity , in Doctrine , Worship , Government and Life , doth constitute a CHRISTIAN , and a Christian Church . The making of humane additions and mutable adjuncts to seem things necessary , doth constitute a SECT . ( And alas how small a part of the Christian world , is not entangled in some such Sect. ) To be united to all Christians , in the bond of Christianity , is to be a Catholick : To trouble the Churches peace by striving to set up one Sect or Faction , and suppress the rest , is to be a Schismatick and Sectary . So then if some will by a superstitious unscriptural rigour of Discipline , make every Pastors power arbitrary ( or the peoples , which is worse ) in judging of mens inward holiness , and will lay by the Scripture Title , which is ( a sober Profession of the Baptismal Covenant ) and think by this strictness to advance the honour of their party , as to purity , They will but endlesly run into divisions : And by setting themselves at a greater distance , from common Christians , than God alloweth them , provoke him to cast on them some greater shame . And if any others will make their unnecessary forms of Synods , and other adjuncts , to seem so necessary , as to enter into Leagues and Covenants to make them the terms of the Churches Unity , God will not own such terms nor ways , nor will they be durable , while the ground is mutable . And if in the Countreys where Popery and Church-tyranny prevail , any other more lofty faction , shall perswade the people that there must be no King any longer than their domination is upheld ; and shall seek to twist the corruptions , grandure or mutable adjuncts of their function , by Oaths , into the very Constitution of the State ; Like the Trent Oath , swearing the Subjects to obey the Church , yea , putting the Church before the State , and swearing them , not at any time ( though commanded by the King ) to endeavour any alteration in that Church-Government ; no nor to consent to any ; that so the subjects may be as fast bound to them , as they are by the Oath of fidelity to their Kings ; It is time in such a case to pray [ God save the King ] and to write on our doors [ Lord have mercy on us . ] And a true subject in such cases , when it comes to swearing , must learn Seneca's Lesson , [ No man more esteemeth vertue , than he that for the love of it can let go the reputation of it ; ] And must be content to be called Disloyal , disobedient , factious , that he may not be so , nor betray his Soul , his Prince , and his posterity . 100. But to put my self out of the reach of any rational suspicion , besides what is said , I profess , that I ascribe all that Power to Kings , which is given them by any Text of Scripture , or acknowledged by any Council General or Provincial , or by any publick authentick Confession of any Christian Church , either Protestant , Greek or Popish , that ever I yet saw . And if this be not enough as to matter of Religion , ( leaving the Cases of Law to Lawyers ) I can give you no more . Object . Eccles. 1. 18. In much wisdom is much grief , and he that increaseth knowledge , increaseth sorrow . 7. 16. Be not righteous over much ; neither make thy self over wise : why shouldst thou destroy thy self ? 9. 2. As is the good , so is the sinner : he that sweareth , as he that feareth an Oath . Isa. 59. 15. Truth faileth ; and he that departeth from evil , maketh himself a prey . 1 Kings 22. 13. Let thy word , I pray thee , be like the word of one of them , and speak good . — Answ. V. 14. As the Lord liveth , what the Lord saith unto me , that I will speak . Luke 12. 4. I say to you my friends , Be not afraid of them that kill the body , and after that have no more that they can do . But , &c. 1 Thess. 2. 15 , 16. They please not God , and are contrary to all men ; forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles , that they might be saved , to fill up their sins alwayes , for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost . Acts 20. 24. But none of these things move me , neither count I my life dear unto my self , so that I might finish my course with joy , and the Ministry which I have received , &c. 1 Cor. 4. 17 , 18. For our light affliction which is but for a moment , worketh for us a far more exceeding eternal weight of glory : While we look not at the things which are seen , but at the things which are not seen : For the things which are seen are temporal ; but the things which are not seen , are eternal . Sept. 21. 1669. Addition : Of the Power of Kings and Bishops out of Bishop Bilson and Andrews . LEst you should wrong the sober Episcopal Divines , so as to think that they claim as jure Divino , and as Pastoral , any Coercive forcing power , but only an authoritative perswading power , and that of the Keyes of the Church , I will transcribe some of the words of that Learned , Judicious Bishop Bilson in his Tract . of Christian Subjection ; By which you will see , that all forcing power claimed by them , is only Magistratical , as they are the Kings Officers , and not from Christ. Note also that constantly he distinguisheth the Magistrates power from the Pastors , by the [ Sword ] as the instrument of execution , which even about Ecclesiastical matters is proper to the Magistrate ; As the power of the Word and Sacraments , or Keyes of the Church , is the Pastors : And these are the shortest , plainest , and least ambiguous terms ; and more clear than [ Internal , Ecclesiastical and Civil ] which have all much obscurity and ambiguity . Pag. 238. Princes only be Governours in things and Causes Ecclesiastical , that is , with the Sword — Bishops be no Governours in those things with the Sword. ] Pag. 240. We confess Princes to be Supream Governours , — Supream bearers of the Sword — We give Princes no power to devise or invent new Religions , to alter or change Sacraments , to decide or debate doubts of faith , to disturb or infringe the Canons of the Church . But of these two last I must tell you , what we Puritans ( as they call us ) hold 1. That the King may and must decide doubts of faith , in order to execution by the Sword ( as , who shall be banished or imprisoned as a Teacher of Heresie ) 2. And that Canons circa sacra not takeing the Pastors proper work out of his hand may be made by the Magistrate even if he please without the Prelates ▪ And if Pastors make Canons , the● are but in order to their proper way of execution . Pag. 252. And if Princes shall not bear the Sword , in things and Causes Ecclesiastical , you must tell us who shall — Since by Gods Law the Priest may not meddle with the Sword , the consequent is inevitable , that Princes alone are Gods Ministers , bearing the Sword , to reward and revenge good and evil in all things and causes , be they Temporal , Spiritual or Ecclesiastical : unless you think that disorders and abuses Ecclesiastical should be freely permitted — Page 256. This then is the Supream power of Princes , which we teach — That they be Gods Ministers in their own Dominions , bearing the Sword , freely to permit and publickly defend that which God commandeth — So may they with just force remove whatsoever is erroneous , vicious , and superstitious within their Lands , and with external losses and corporal pains repress the broachers and abetters of Heresies and all impieties — From which subjection to Princes , no man within their Realms , Monk , Priest , Preacher or Prelate is exempted : And without their Realms no mortal man hath any power from Christ judicially to depose them ; much less to invade them in open field , least of all to warrant their Subjects to rebell against them . These be the things which we contend for ; and not whether Princes be Christs Masters , or the functions to preach , baptize , impose hands , and forgive sins , must be derived from the Princes power and Laws ; or the Apostles might enter to convert Countreys , without Caesars delegations ; These be jests and shifts of yours . Page 261. To Bishops speaking the Word of God ; Princes as well as others must yield obedience : But if Bishops pass their Commission , and speak besides the Word of God , what they list , both Prince and people may despise them . Page 258. His Word is Truth : and therefore your Bishops cannot be Judges of the Word of Christ , but they must be Judges of Christ himself that speaketh by his Word , which is no small presumption . — My Sheep hear my voice — They be no Judges of his voice . — Page 259. If you take judging for discerning , — the People must be discerners and Judges of that which is taught — Page 271. Ph. If General Councils might err , the Church might err — Th. As though none were of or in the Church , but only Bishops ! Or all the Bishops of Christendome without exception , were ever present at any Council ? Or the greater part of those that are present might not strike the stroke without the rest — See pag. 350 , 351 , 352. Et seq . That only Magistrates may touch body or goods . Page 358. The Watchmen and Shepheards that serve Christ in his Church , have their kind of Regiments distinct from the temporal Power and State : But that Regiment of theirs is by Counsel and perswasion , not by terror or Compulsion ; and reacheth neither to the goods , nor to the bodies of any men — Page 366. As for your Episcopal Power over Princes , if that be it you seek for , and not to take their Kingdoms from them , I told you , If they break the Law of God , you may reprove them : If they hear you not , you may leave them in their sins , and shut Heaven against them . If they fall to open Heresie or wilful impiety , you may refuse to communicate with them in prayers and other divine duties ; yea , you must rather yield your lives with submission into their hands , than deliver them the Word and Sacraments , otherwise than God hath appointed . ] ( Say you so ; I promise you Sir , if Kings must be dealt so strictly with , though it cost you your lives , I will be a Non-conformist a little longer , though it cost me my livelihood , rather than give Baptism , the Lords Supper , Absolution , and the justifying assertions at Burials , as commonly as I must do , if I conform . ) P. 525. Pastors have their kind of Correction even over Princes : but such as by Gods Law , may stand with the Pastors Vocation ; and tend to the Princes salvation : and that exceedeth not the Word and Sacraments : Other Correction over any private man Pastors have none ; much less over Princes — Princes may force their Subjects by the Temporal Sword. — Bishops may not force their flock with any corporal or external violence . Pag. 526. Chrysostom saith — For of all men Christian ( Bishops ) may least correct the faults of men by force : Judges that are without the Church — may compell — But here ( in the Church ) we may not offer any violence , but only perswade . We have not so great authority given us by the Laws as to repress offenders : And if it were lawful for us so to do , we have no use of any such violent power ; for that Christ crowneth them which abstain from sin , not of a forced , but of a willing mind — Hilary teacheth the same Lesson ; If this violence were used for the true faith , the doctrine of Bishops would be against it . God needeth no forced service : He requireth no constrained confession : I cannot receive any man but him that is willing ☜ I cannot give ear , but to him that intreateth . I cannot sign , ( that is , baptize any but him that ( gladly ) professeth . — So Origen — For all the crimes which God would have revenged , he would have them revenged not by the Bishops and Rulers of the Church , but by the Judges of the world — Bishops by vertue of their Callings cannot command others , or authorize violence or arms . — Pag. 541. Parliaments have been kept by the King and his Barons , the Clergy wholly excluded ; and yet their Acts and Statutes good . And when the Bishops were present , their Voices from the Conquest to this day , were never Negative . By Gods Law you have nothing to do with making Laws for Kingdoms and Commonwealths : You may teach , you may not command . Perswasion is your part : Compulsion is the Princes . Page 245. Far better St. Ambrose saith [ If the Emperour ask for Tribute , we deny it not : The Lands of the Church pay Tribute : If he affect the Lands themselves , he hath power to take them : no man among us is any let to him . The alms of the people is enough for the poor . Let them never procure us envy for our Lands : let them take them if they please : I do not give them to the Emperour , but I do not deny them . So far Bilson . All this we allow : And if all this be the concurrent judgement of all sorts of sober Protestants , called Episcopal or Presbyterians , what reason hath any Erastian upon the account of the Magistrates interest to quarrel with them . If any practise not according to these principles , let them hear of it . Indeed in point of convenience we greatly differ from some men : That is , 1. Whether it be convenient for the King to make Church-men Magistrates , or not ? 2. And whether it be convenient immediately to back their Excommunications , with the Sword ; And for the Magistrate to be the Clergies Executioner , or to imprison men eo nomine , because excommunicate and not repenting . 3. And whether it be convenient to make the same Court called Ecclesiastical , so mixt of Pastoral and Secular Power united , in one Chancellor ( who is no Pastor , but a Lay man ) or in a Bishop , as that in and by it , the Magistrates , and the Spiritual Government shall be either confounded , or so twisted as to be undiscernable , or become one tertium . But for this , as we love not to be too forward in teaching Magistrates what is convenient , ( though many of the ancient Fathers have done it plainly , and spoken against the Magistracy of Priests ; and Cy●il of Alexandria is branded by Socrates and others with some infamy , as the first Bishop that used Coercive power ) ; so you have more cause to say what you have to say in this , to the Magistrate himself , than to the Bishops or Presbyteries : For if the Magistrate will needs-make Priests his Officers , and put his Sword into such hands , as have enough to do in their proper work , Or if he will punish men with the Sword , because they are punished already by excommunication , or because they repent not , lest excommunication alone should prove uneffectual ; quarrel not for his actions with other men : It is his own doing ; and it is himself that you blame , when you blame these things : Say not that Prelates or Presbyteries take the Magistrates power from him ; but say the truth , that the Magistrate giveth it them , and will have it so to be . ( Though I excuse none that urge him to it , or voluntarily assume his Power . ) Bishop Andrews also saith Tortur Torti p. 383. [ Cohibeat Regem Diaconus , si cum indignus sit , idque palam constet , accedat tamen ad Sacramentum : Cohibeat & medicus , si ad noxium quid vel insalubre manum admoveat : Cohibeat & Equiso , si inter equitandum adigat Equum per l●cum praeruptum , vel salebrosum , cui subsit periculum . Etiamre medico ? Etiamne Equisoni suo subjectus Rex ? Sed de Majori potestate loquitur : sed ea ad rem noxiam procul arcendam : qua in re Charitatis semper Potestas est maxima . Here you see what Church Government is in Bishop Andrews sense , and how far the Bishops hold the King himself to be restrainable even by a Deacon ; And yet but ( I think ) according to your own sense , I pray you judge then whether the Bishops and you differ as far as you imagine ; and whether the Courts and Church power which offendeth you , be not set up by Kings themselves , who make the Bishops their Officers therein . To which add what Bilson proveth that Patriarchs , Metropolitans and Archbishops Dignities are the gift of Princes , and not the institution of Christ , and then you will see more , that it is the Princes own doing . I add to the like purpose more out of Bilson pag. 313. [ We grant , they must rather hazard their lives , than baptize Princes which believe not , or distribute the Lords mysteries to them that repent not , but give wilful and open signification of iniquity , &c. ] This is Church Government , which none can contradict . This is it that Chrysostom so often professeth also , as that he would rather let his own blood be shed , than give the blood of Christ to the unworthy . And Beda Hist. Eccles. l. 2. cap. 5. telleth us , that Melitus Bishop of London ( with Justus ) was banished by the heirs of King Sabareth , because he would not give them the Sacrament of the Lords Supper , which they would needs have before they were baptized . ( And by the way , if Bishops say that Kings must be used thus , the Non-conformists are not such intolerable Schismaticks , as some now represent them , for desiring , that every Presbyter may not be compelled against his Conscience to give the Sacrament to the basest of the people that are ignorant what Christ or Christianity is , and to them that are not willing to receive it , but are forced to take it against their wills for fear of a Prison ; nor to baptize the Children of such Parents as know not what baptism is , or as are professed Infidels , having not so much as Christian Adopters , but only Ceremonious persons called God-fathers and God-mothers . ) Papirius Massonus in vita Leonis 1. reciteth his words of the Magistrates banishing the Manichees , and addeth [ Ex hac rei gestae narratione perspicuum est Romanos Episcopas relegare tunc non potuisse , nec in exilium reos mittere , utì hodie faciunt ; sed eos tantum censura coercere , & poen● ecclesiastica mulctar● . I add no more , supposing that almost all sober Episcopal , Presbyterians , Independents and Erastians are agreed in all the first ninety four Propositions , ( if not all ) that are here asserted ; and that all those may suffice to signifie their Concord , and promote their Reconciliation , if Interest ( mistaken ) and Passion ( mis-guided ) did not much more than difference of judgement in these matters , to cause their alienation . And as I have written this to vindicate both the Power of Kings , and the Office of Pastors from any mens unjust suspicions or accusations , who look only on one side ; and to shew that these Offices are no more contrary than Head and Heart , than Light and Heat : so I do require the Reader to put no sense upon any thing here written , which is injurious to the Government of Magistrates or Pastors , or contrary to the Laws : For all such senses I do hereby disclaim . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A26914-e310 Read the Declaration against the Oath of Allegiance by H. I. for the Popes deposing Kings , pa. 16 , 17 , 27 43. Read Hottomans Franco-Gal . cap. 7. and his Brutum ●●lmen , pag. 87 , 97 , 98. Read Withriagton and Barclay against Bellarmia in Goldastus Tom. 3. de Mon. And Bellarmia against Barclay c. 9. Vid. Sua ez . ● . advers . sect . A●glic . li 6. cap. 4. sect . 14. & cap. 6. sect . 22. 24. Azor. ●rs . Mor. par . 1. l. 8 c. 13. Dom. Bannes in Thom. 22. q. 12. art . 2. August . Triump . de potest . Eccl. q 46. art . 2. There is no doubt ( saith he ) but the Pope may depose all Kings when there is reasonable cause for it . ] See the Jesui●s Morals , and Mystery of Jesuitism , and Myster . Patrum Jesuitarum . ☜ ☜ ☜ ☞ ☞ ☞ ☜ ☜ ☜ See Bellarm. de Pontif. Ro. li. 5. c. 1. & 6. & 7. & 8. he saith , It is the common judgement of all Catholick Divines , that the Pope ratione spiritualis hath at least indirectly a certain Power , and that the highest in Temporals . Which c. 6. he saith , is just such over Princes , as the soul hath over the body ; or sensitive appetite : and that thus he may change Kingdoms , and take them from one , and give to another , as the chief Spiritual Prince , if it be but necessary to the safety of souls . Yea , he saith , that It is not lawful for Christians to tolerate an Infidel or Heretical King , if he endeavour to draw his Subjects to his Heresie or unbelief . But to judge whether a King do draw to Heresie or not , belongeth to the Pope , to whom the care of Religion is committed . Therefore it belong●th to the Pope to judge a King to be deposed , &c. * You are mistaken when you twi●● call Maximus Imperator Ethnicus , who but for his ●●●patio● , ha● been a Christia● Saint .