A iustification of The city remonstrance and its vindication, or, An answer to a book written by Mr. J.P. entituled, The city remonstrance remonstrated wherein the frequent falsifyings of the said Mr. J.P. are discovered, the many charges by him laid upon the remonstrance and its vindicator, disproved, and the parity and agreement of the remonstrance ... with the propositions, declarations, remonstrances, and votes, of both or either House of Parliament manifested / by John Bellamie.
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             A iustification of The city remonstrance and its vindication, or, An answer to a book written by Mr. J.P. entituled, The city remonstrance remonstrated wherein the frequent falsifyings of the said Mr. J.P. are discovered, the many charges by him laid upon the remonstrance and its vindicator, disproved, and the parity and agreement of the remonstrance ... with the propositions, declarations, remonstrances, and votes, of both or either House of Parliament manifested / by John Bellamie.
             Bellamie, John, d. 1654.
             Price, John, Citizen of London. City remonstrance remonstrated.
          
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             Printed by Richard Cotes,
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             1646.
          
           
             In defense of: To the Right Honourable the Lords assembled in high court of Parliament, the humble remonstrance and petition of the Lord major, aldermen, and commons of the city of London (1646), and Bellamie's A vindication of The humble remonstrance (1646); supports the Presbyterian attempt to suppress the Independents.
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           A
           IVSTIFICATION
           OF
           THE
           City
           Remonstrance
           AND
           ITS
           VINDICATION
           .
           
             OR
             ,
          
           An
           Answer
           to
           a
           Book
           written
           by
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           Entituled
           ,
           
             The
             City
             Remonstrance
             Remonstrated
             .
          
           Wherein
           the
           frequent
           Falsifyings
           of
           the
           said
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           are
           discovered
           ,
           the
           many
           Charges
           by
           him
           laid
           upon
           the
           Remonstrance
           and
           its
           Vindicator
           ,
           disproved
           ,
           and
           the
           parity
           and
           agreement
           of
           the
           Remonstrance
           (
           especially
           in
           those
           particulars
           so
           much
           condemned
           by
           him
           )
           with
           the
           Propositions
           ,
           Declarations
           ,
           Remonstrances
           ,
           and
           Votes
           ,
           of
           both
           or
           either
           House
           of
           Parliament
           manifested
           .
        
         
           By
           JOHN
           BELLAMIE
           .
        
         
           LONDON
           ,
           Printed
           by
           
             Richard
             Cotes
             ,
          
           1646.
           
        
      
       
       
       
         
           To
           the
           Right
           Honorable
           Thomas
           Adams
           Lord
           Major
           ,
           and
           to
           the
           Right
           Worshipfull
           the
           Aldermen
           ,
           and
           the
           rest
           of
           the
           Common-Councell
           of
           the
           City
           ,
           LONDON
           .
        
         
           
             Right
             Honourable
             ,
             Right
             Worshipfull
             ,
          
        
         
           VPon
           the
           14
           of
           
             April
          
           last
           ,
           you
           being
           in
           Court
           of
           
             Common-councell
          
           assembled
           ,
           made
           choice
           of
           a
           Committee
           of
           
             Aldermen
          
           and
           
             Commoners
          
           to
           prepare
           a
           draught
           of
           
             A
             Remonstrance
             and
             Petition
             to
             both
             Houses
             of
             Parliament
             ,
          
           and
           to
           present
           it
           in
           Court
           ,
           to
           be
           there
           either
           approved
           or
           altered
           ,
           as
           upon
           debate
           should
           be
           judged
           meet
           .
        
         
           In
           obedience
           thereunto
           ,
           the
           said
           Committee
           upon
           the
           20
           of
           
             May
          
           following
           ,
           presented
           it
           in
           
             Common-councell
             ,
          
           where
           every
           branch
           thereof
           was
           taken
           apart
           and
           by
           it self
           into
           serious
           Consideration
           ,
           and
           after
           three
           dayes
           debating
           in
           open
           Court
           ,
           it
           was
           by
           consent
           and
           approbation
           of
           the
           Court
           finished
           ,
           and
           upon
           the
           26
           of
           
             May
             ,
          
           in
           the
           name
           of
           the
           
             Lord
             Major
             ,
             Aldermen
             ,
             and
             Common-councell
          
           presented
           to
           both
           Houses
           of
           
             Parliament
             .
          
           Since
           which
           time
           two
           
             Libells
          
           have
           been
           Printed
           against
           the
           said
           
             Remonstrance
             ,
          
           the
           one
           call'd
           ,
           
             A
             moderate
             Reply
             to
             the
             City
             Remonstrance
             ,
          
           the
           other
           entituled
           ,
           
             The
             Interest
             of
          
           England
           
             maintained
             ;
          
           In
           one
           of
           which
           it
           is
           charged
           
             to
             carry
             a
             full
             complyance
             with
             His
             Majesties
             wonted
             Declarations
             against
             the
             Parliament
             ;
          
           and
           in
           the
           other
           ,
           
             That
             a
             great
             part
             of
             the
             main
             Sticklers
             in
             it
             ,
             are
             such
             as
             were
             alwayes
             backward
             to
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             forced
             to
             pay
             their
             Fifth
             and
             twentieth
             part
             ;
          
           with
           many
           other
           foolish
           ,
           foule
           ,
           and
           false
           aspersions
           in
           them
           both
           :
           Whereupon
           ,
           (
           though
           the
           unmeetest
           ,
           because
           the
           unablest
           of
           many
           others
           )
           I
           adventured
           the
           
             Vindication
          
           of
           it
           ;
           In
           answer
           whereof
           ,
           a●d
           in
           further
           opposition
           to
           the
           said
           
             Remonstrance
             ,
          
           one
           
             Mr.
             J.
             P.
          
           hath
           since
           published
           a
           Book
           named
           ,
           
             The
             City
             Remonstrance
             Remonstrated
             ,
          
           calling
           it
           a
           
             hard-hearted
             Remonstrance
             ,
          
           and
           
             a
             Remonstrance
             invective
             against
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           And
           
           in
           
             Page
             29.
          
           charges
           mee●
           for
           saying
           s●mething
           (
           but
           instances
           in
           nothing
           ,
           )
           
             concerning
             the
             King
             ,
             the
             Lords
             ,
             and
             the
             power
             of
             the
             Commons
             ,
             and
             what
             my
             carriages
             have
             been
             not
             very
             long
             since
             in
             Common-councell
             ,
             &c.
          
           and
           doth
           thereby
           ,
           as
           it
           were
           ,
           in
           a
           tacite
           way
           ,
           call
           the
           Court
           to
           testifie
           against
           me
           .
           All
           which
           ,
           hath
           occasioned
           me
           this
           second
           time
           to
           put
           pen
           t●
           Paper
           ,
           in
           a
           further
           
             Justification
             of
             your
             Remonstrance
             ,
          
           and
           also
           of
           its
           
             Vindication
             ,
          
           and
           to
           a
           clearing
           of
           my self
           from
           those
           many
           charges
           of
           mutation
           and
           change
           ,
           which
           (
           to
           beget
           a
           d●sesteem
           of
           what
           I
           have
           written
           in
           
             Vindication
             of
             the
             Remonstrance
             )
          
           hee
           hath
           laid
           against
           me
           .
        
         
           My
           intention
           in
           this
           my
           addresse
           unto
           your
           
             Lordship
             ,
          
           to
           the
           worthy
           
             Aldermen
             ,
          
           and
           to
           all
           the
           rest
           of
           the
           
             Common-councell
             ,
          
           is
           ,
           neither
           to
           exasperate
           you
           against
           the
           person
           of
           my
           opposite
           ,
           nor
           yet
           to
           seeke
           protection
           from
           you
           for
           my self
           or
           Books
           ;
           for
           if
           what
           I
           have
           written
           be
           not
           co●cordable
           to
           Truth
           and
           true
           Reason
           ,
           let
           both
           mee
           and
           them
           fall
           before
           my
           Antagonist
           .
        
         
           But
           being
           thus
           publ●kely
           charged
           that
           I
           should
           (
           not
           very
           long
           since
           )
           speak
           something
           (
           but
           what
           it
           is
           ,
           hee
           saith
           not
           )
           in
           
             Common-councell
             ,
             &c.
          
           as
           if
           it
           were
           crosse
           or
           contrary
           to
           some
           passages
           in
           the
           
             Remonstrance
             ,
          
           or
           to
           what
           I
           have
           written
           in
           the
           
             Vindication
          
           thereof
           ,
           for
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             It
             makes
             them
             that
             heard
             it
             ,
             and
             observe
             what
             your
             Carriages
             are
             now
             ,
             stand
             with
             admiration
             and
             amazement
             at
             your
             wheeling
             thus
             about
             .
          
        
         
           I
           ●oe
           therefore
           humbly
           crave
           leave
           to
           present
           this
           my
           
             Justification
             of
             your
             Remonstrance
             ,
             and
             its
             Vindication
          
           to
           your
           
             Lordship
             ,
          
           and
           to
           the
           whole
           Court
           of
           
             Common-councell
             ,
          
           and
           doe
           appeal
           to
           all
           of
           you
           in
           generall
           ,
           and
           to
           every
           one
           of
           you
           in
           particular
           ,
           t●●estifie
           against
           me
           ,
           if
           at
           any
           time
           since
           I
           had
           that
           undeserved
           honour
           and
           happinesse
           to
           be
           a
           member
           of
           this
           Court
           ,
           there
           ever
           fell
           any
           one
           word
           from
           me
           ,
           so
           much
           as
           savouring
           of
           such
           things
           ,
           as
           by
           this
           
             Mr.
             J.
             P.
          
           I
           am
           charged
           to
           speak
           in
           your
           presence
           ,
           and
           I
           shall
           ever
           remain
        
         
           
             Your
             Lordships
             ,
             and
             this
             Cities
             servant
             
               IOHN
               BELLAMIE
               .
            
          
        
      
       
       
         
           To
           my
           truly
           Loved
           and
           Honoured
           FRIEND
           Mr.
           
           
           
           IOHN
           PRICE
           .
        
         
           
             SIR
             ,
          
        
         
           I
           Have
           perused
           your
           Book
           ,
           entituled
           ,
           
             The
             City
             Remonstrance
             Remonstrated
             ,
          
           or
           an
           answer
           to
           my
           
             Vindication
          
           of
           the
           said
           
             Remonstrance
             ,
          
           wherin
           I
           perceive
           you
           have
           been
           very
           ready
           to
           receive
           whatever
           Reports
           ,
           either
           true
           or
           false
           have
           been
           broug●t
           unto
           you
           conc●rning
           my
           carriage
           in
           matters
           of
           Religion
           ,
           even
           from
           the
           day
           of
           my
           birth
           to
           the
           publishing
           of
           your
           Book
           ,
           and
           taking
           them
           upon
           trust
           ,
           (
           for
           you
           have
           not
           the
           least
           knowledge
           of
           any
           one
           of
           the
           particular●
           ,
           and
           many
           of
           them
           relate
           ,
           I
           think
           ,
           to
           the
           time
           before
           you
           were
           born
           ,
           )
           without
           ever
           speaking
           one
           word
           to
           me
           about
           them
           ,
           (
           though
           wee
           are
           professed
           ,
           and
           have
           been
           long
           acquainted
           ●ntimate
           Friends
           ,
           and
           to
           the
           best
           of
           my
           knowledge
           and
           remembrance
           ,
           not
           any
           time
           the
           least
           offensive
           word
           ever
           passed
           between
           us
           ,
           and
           now
           are
           so
           neare
           neighbors
           that
           whenever
           you
           p●eased
           ,
           in
           lesse
           then
           one
           quarter
           of
           an
           hour
           you
           might
           freely
           have
           communicated
           to
           me
           whatever
           you
           h●d
           a
           desire
           to
           bee
           satisfied
           in
           )
           you
           have
           ,
           as
           I
           con●eive
           ,
           to
           weaken
           my
           esteem
           ,
           and
           to
           render
           what
           I
           have
           written
           to
           bee
           the
           more
           invalid
           ,
           divulged
           them
           to
           the
           world
           .
        
         
           Two
           th●ngs
           I
           desire
           i●
           love
           to
           represent
           unto
           you
           in
           this
           ,
           First
           ,
           if
           all
           that
           you
           have
           written
           of
           mee
           were
           true
           ,
           the
           contrary
           wherof
           I
           shall
           easily
           prove
           when
           I
           come
           to
           the
           particulars
           ;
           
           yet
           I
           beseech
           you
           consider
           how
           irregular
           this
           your
           proceeding
           against
           me
           is
           ,
           and
           contrary
           to
           the
           rule
           given
           by
           our
           
             Saviour
             Christ
             ,
          
           for
           you
           and
           mee
           and
           all
           Gods
           people
           to
           walke
           by
           ,
           in
           Mat●h
           .
           18.
           15
           ,
           16
           ,
           17.
           
           
             If
             thy
             brother
             trespasse
             against
             thee
             ,
             goe
             and
             tell
             him
             his
             fault
             between
             thee
             and
             him
             alone
             ,
             if
             he
             shall
             heare
             thee
             ,
             thou
             hast
             gained
             thy
             brother
             ,
          
           &c.
           and
           mind
           that
           of
           
             Solomon
             ,
          
           Prov.
           15.
           18.
           
           
             A
             man
             that
             beareth
             false
             witnesse
             against
             his
             neighbour
             ,
             is
             a
             maul
             ,
             a
             sword
             ,
             and
             a
             sharpe
             arrow
             .
          
           Secondly
           ,
           I
           pray
           also
           remember
           how
           exceedingly
           your selfe
           ,
           and
           all
           your
           friends
           the
           
             Antipresbyters
             ,
          
           have
           distasted
           ,
           and
           by
           word
           of
           mouth
           often
           with
           much
           dislike
           ,
           blamed
           Mr.
           
           
             Edwards
          
           for
           medling
           with
           personall
           matters
           ,
           notwithstanding
           his
           way
           of
           writing
           in
           this
           kind
           ,
           is
           much
           different
           from
           this
           of
           yours
           ,
           as
           being
           of
           practises
           and
           matters
           within
           these
           few
           years
           ,
           since
           they
           went
           into
           that
           
             way
             of
             Independency
             ,
          
           and
           as
           hee
           conceives
           ,
           flowing
           from
           their
           principles
           (
           and
           not
           as
           you
           in
           this
           ,
           of
           things
           raked
           up
           through
           the
           whole
           course
           of
           their
           lives
           )
           being
           also
           professedly
           to
           discover
           the
           errors
           of
           the
           times
           
             (
             viz
             Here●ies
             ,
             Blasphemies
             ,
             &c.
             )
          
           and
           thereby
           to
           preserve
           the
           people
           from
           the
           evill
           of
           them
           .
        
         
           Now
           I
           pray
           you
           put
           this
           question
           seriously
           to
           your
           own
           soul
           ,
           whether
           the
           same
           act
           done
           in
           the
           same
           kind
           by
           Mr.
           
           
             Edwards
          
           against
           the
           
             Independents
             ,
             &c.
          
           be
           a
           vice
           and
           blame
           worthy
           ,
           and
           y●t
           being
           done
           by
           Mr.
           
             J.
             P.
          
           against
           a
           
             Presbyterian
          
           or
           a
           
             Remonstrant
             ,
          
           be
           a
           vertue
           ,
           and
           worthy
           commendation
           ;
           think
           seriously
           of
           it
           ,
           and
           then
           receive
           such
           an
           answer
           as
           your
           owne
           heart
           shall
           dictate
           to
           you
           .
        
         
           You
           know
           Mr.
           
             J.
             P.
          
           how
           carefull
           I
           was
           of
           your
           good
           name
           ,
           when
           about
           four
           mone●hs
           since
           a
           report
           was
           brought
           unto
           mee
           c●ncerning
           some
           opinions
           of
           yours
           in
           matters
           of
           Religion
           (
           whether
           true
           or
           false
           I
           now
           argue
           not
           )
           that
           presently
           by
           a
           godly
           intimate
           friend
           of
           yours
           and
           mine
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           Mr.
           
             James
             Russell
             ,
          
           
           I
           did
           privately
           ,
           without
           the
           least
           divulging
           them
           abroad
           ,
           make
           you
           acquainted
           with
           it
           :
           And
           that
           very
           morning
           after
           your
           Book
           came
           forth
           against
           me
           ▪
           the
           like
           report
           was
           again
           publikely
           brought
           unto
           mee
           in
           the
           presence
           of
           sundry
           witnesses
           ;
           but
           in
           s●ead
           of
           taking
           revenge
           of
           you
           (
           which
           God
           ha●th
           forbidden
           me
           ,
           Rom.
           12.
           19.
           saying
           ,
           
             Avenge
             not
             your selves
             ,
             but
             rather
             give
             place
             unto
             wrath
             ,
             for
             it
             is
             written
             ,
             Vengeance
             is
             mine
             ,
             I
             will
             rep●y
             saith
             the
             Lord
             )
          
           either
           by
           spreading
           them
           by
           reports
           ,
           or
           printing
           them
           to
           your
           d●sparagement
           ,
           I
           did
           p●esently
           ,
           in
           the
           presence
           of
           Mr.
           
             James
             Story
             ,
          
           who
           also
           heard
           them
           reported
           ,
           tell
           them
           to
           you
           ,
           remembring
           that
           of
           
             Solomon
             ,
          
           Prov.
           1.
           9.
           
           
             He
             that
             repeateth
             a
             matter
             separateth
             very
             Friends
             ;
          
           and
           desiring
           to
           follow
           our
           Saviours
           counsell
           ,
           
             Matth.
             7.
             12.
             
             Whatsoever
             you
             would
             that
             men
             should
             do
             to
             you
             ,
             doe
             yee
             even
             so
             to
             them
             ;
          
           and
           I
           hope
           I
           shall
           ever
           make
           it
           a
           rule
           for
           me
           to
           walk
           by
           ,
           
             viz.
             to
             doe
             as
             I
             would
             be
             done
             unto
             ,
             and
             not
             as
             I
             am
             dealt
             with
             .
          
        
         
           And
           therefore
           in
           the
           examination
           and
           answering
           of
           your
           Book
           ,
           I
           will
           (
           though
           much
           provoked
           by
           you
           ,
           yet
           )
           by
           Gods
           grace
           indevour
           to
           be
           as
           free
           from
           pasiion
           or
           retaliation
           as
           possibly
           I
           can
           ,
           well
           remembring
           that
           
             David
             ,
          
           when
           
             Shimei
          
           cursed
           and
           railed
           upon
           him
           ,
           observed
           much
           good
           from
           God
           in
           
             Shimei
          
           his
           great
           evill
           ,
           and
           said
           ,
           
             So
             let
             him
             curse
             ,
             because
             the
             Lord
             hath
             said
             unto
             him
             ,
             curse
          
           David
           ;
           
             who
             shall
             then
             say
             ,
             wherefore
             hast
             thou
             done
             so
             ?
             2
             Sam.
             16.
             10.
             
          
           So
           I
           heartily
           desire
           ,
           without
           the
           least
           reluctancy
           of
           Spirit
           against
           you
           ,
           as
           the
           instrument
           seriously
           to
           observe
           ,
           and
           truly
           to
           bee
           sensible
           of
           ,
           whatever
           is
           from
           God
           in
           all
           that
           you
           have
           said
           ,
           and
           to
           lay
           my selfe
           in
           the
           dust
           in
           giving
           God
           the
           glory
           ,
           both
           in
           the
           acknowledging
           of
           any
           error
           justly
           charged
           upon
           mee
           ,
           and
           of
           his
           mercy
           in
           my
           recovery
           .
           And
           I
           trust
           that
           through
           the
           goodness
           of
           ▪
           God
           I
           shall
           yet
           get
           much
           good
           out
           of
           that
           which
           perhaps
           you
           
           int●nded
           ,
           and
           therefore
           divulged
           for
           mor●
           evill
           ,
           setting
           before
           me
           as
           a
           pattern
           in
           this
           to
           walke
           by
           the
           practice
           of
           our
           
             Lord
             Christ
             ,
          
           recorded
           for
           our
           example
           in
           
             1
             Pet.
             2.
             21
             ,
             23.
             
             Who
             when
             hee
             was
             reviled
             ,
             reviled
             not
             againe
             ,
             but
             committed
             himselfe
             to
             him
             that
             judgeth
             righteously
             ;
          
           and
           with
           freedome
           of
           spirit
           I
           do
           heartily
           both
           praise
           the
           Lord
           ,
           and
           thanke
           you
           for
           your
           plaine
           deali●g
           with
           mee
           in
           any
           thing
           wherein
           as
           you
           professe
           ,
           you
           really
           and
           singly
           intended
           my
           spiritua●●
           good
           ,
           and
           pray
           the
           Lord
           to
           give
           you
           repentance
           ,
           and
           to
           pardon
           you
           in
           every
           thing
           wherein
           in
           this
           transaction
           you
           have
           done
           otherwise
           .
        
         
           Thus
           with
           the
           reall
           dem●nstration
           of
           ●y
           true
           love
           and
           affection
           to
           you
           ,
           I
           crave
           your
           leave
           to
           goe
           on
           to
           the
           answearing
           of
           your
           Book
           ,
           earnestly
           desiring
           that
           if
           yet
           after
           all
           wee
           cannot
           agree
           in
           judgement
           and
           opinion
           ,
           we
           may
           still
           close
           together
           in
           heart
           and
           affection
           ,
           which
           (
           whatever
           the
           event
           shall
           prove
           )
           shall
           alwayes
           bee
           the
           desire
           ,
           prayer
           ,
           and
           endeavour
           of
        
         
           
             Your
             cordially
             loving
             and
             faithfull
             Friend
             
               Iohn
               Bellamie
               .
            
          
        
      
    
     
       
       
         
           A
           IVSTIFICATION
           OF
           THE
           City
           Remonstrance
           ,
           AND
           ITS
           VINDICATION
           .
        
         
           THE
           first
           thing
           you
           quarrell
           withall
           ,
           is
           the
           Title
           of
           the
           Book
           ,
           
             A
             Vindic●tion
             ,
             &c.
          
           and
           this
           you
           continue
           to
           the
           latter
           end
           of
           your
           sixth
           Page
           ,
           and
           (
           as
           in
           the
           Moderate
           Reply
           ,
           so
           here
           in
           this
           )
           you
           endeavour
           in
           generall
           termes
           to
           lay
           low
           the
           Remonstrance
           and
           its
           Vindication
           in
           the
           eyes
           of
           the
           people
           ;
           As
           in
           your
           first
           page
           by
           comparing
           them
           to
           
             a
             bad
             Cause
             and
             its
             Advocates
             ,
          
           then
           to
           the
           
             Kings
             Declarations
             ,
             R●monstrances
             ,
             and
             their
             Abettors
             ,
             to
          
           Absaloms
           
             reb●llion
             again●●
             his
             Father
          
           David
           ,
           
             and
          
           Achitophels
           
             cunning
             counsell
             to
             draw
             the
             pe●ple
             ●fter
             hi●
             ,
             to
          
           Demetrius
           
             his
             plea
             for
          
           Diana's
           
             greatnesse
             ,
             and
             to
          
           Tertullu●
           
             〈◊〉
             against
             St.
          
           Paul
           .
        
         
           
             Ans●
             .
          
           ●●e
           passe
           by
           the
           parallel●
           which
           here
           you
           make
           with
           the
           Vindicator
           of
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           ,
           and
           leave
           it
           wholly
           to
           the
           〈…〉
           ●ensure
           of
           the
           judicious
           Reader
           ,
           whether
           there
           be
           
           any
           the
           least
           par●ty
           in
           the
           things
           and
           cases
           by
           you
           compared
           ,
           for
           I
           had
           much
           rather
           abide
           their
           test
           and
           tryall
           ,
           then
           in
           this
           to
           bee
           a
           pleader
           of
           my
           own
           cause
           ,
           and
           so
           I
           come
           to
           your
           application
           of
           it
           in
           these
           words
           :
           
             Viz.
             
          
        
         
           As
           it
           was
           in
           the
           beginning
           ,
           so
           it
           is
           now
           ;
           witnesse
           the
           present
           case
           ,
           A
           moderate
           Reply
           to
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           ,
           in
           just●fication
           of
           the
           Parliaments
           innocencie
           from
           the
           prejudice
           raised
           against
           them
           by
           the
           said
           Remonstrance
           ,
           as
           
             (
             say
             you
             )
          
           shall
           bee
           fully
           evidenced
           before
           we
           have
           d●ne
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Two
           things
           I
           observe
           in
           this
           :
           first
           ,
           that
           you
           say
           ,
           (
           and
           therein
           you
           lay
           a
           charge
           upon
           the
           City
           )
           that
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           hath
           raiseda
           prejudice
           against
           the
           Parliaments
           innocency
           :
           And
           secondly
           ,
           you
           further
           say
           ,
           that
           this
           shall
           bee
           fully
           evidenced
           before
           you
           have
           done
           ;
           the
           first
           is
           exprest
           ,
           as
           usually
           you
           use
           to
           doe
           ,
           onely
           in
           generals
           ,
           which
           amount
           to
           nothing
           :
           But
           I
           pray
           consider
           with
           your selfe
           ,
           is
           not
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           a
           Freeman
           and
           Citizen
           of
           
             London
             ,
          
           one
           who
           lives
           ,
           under
           God
           ,
           in
           and
           by
           the
           Trad●
           of
           the
           City
           ,
           and
           yet
           so
           farre
           to
           forget
           himselfe
           and
           his
           duty
           ,
           as
           thus
           to
           asperse
           the
           City
           and
           its
           actions
           with
           generall
           ,
           and
           yet
           unjust
           defamations
           ,
           and
           all
           this
           under
           a
           specious
           shew
           of
           a
           justification
           of
           the
           
             Parliaments
             innocency
             ,
          
           when
           as
           there
           are
           clouds
           of
           witnesses
           ,
           and
           many
           of
           them
           under
           the
           Parliaments
           own
           attestation
           ,
           at
           all
           times
           ready
           to
           bee
           produced
           if
           required
           ,
           of
           
             Londons
          
           fidelity
           ,
           of
           
             Londons
          
           loyalty
           ,
           of
           
             Londons
          
           unparallel'd
           embowelling
           ,
           and
           in
           a
           great
           measure
           emptying
           themselves
           ,
           not
           onely
           of
           treasure
           ,
           but
           of
           blood
           also
           ,
           and
           all
           this
           unweariedly
           from
           time
           to
           time
           ,
           since
           the
           Parliament
           first
           fate
           ,
           to
           this
           very
           day
           ,
           yea
           alwayes
           ,
           with
           alacrity
           and
           freedome
           both
           of
           heart●
           and
           hands
           ,
           for
           the
           honour
           ,
           the
           defence
           ,
           the
           just
           and
           necessary
           occasions
           of
           Parliament
           ;
           and
           hath
           not
           the
           
             Honourable
             Ho●se
             of
             Lords
             ,
          
           〈◊〉
           accepted
           and
           fully
           approved
           most
           of
           the
           particulars
           in
           the
           said
           Remonstrance
           ,
           yea
           ,
           those
           in
           speciall
           ,
           and
           by
           name
           ,
           which
           you
           so
           much
           oppose
           ,
           
             viz.
             the
             suppressing
             of
             all
             Heresies
             and
             S●●ismes
             ,
             &c.
          
           and
           promised
           
             to
             take
             the
             other
             particulars
             into
             their
             serious
             and
             speedy
             consid●ration
             ,
          
           as
           by
           their
           answer
           to
           that
           Remonstrance
           presented
           to
           them
           it
           doth
           appeare
           ?
           and
           hath
           not
           the
           
             Honourable
             House
             of
             Commons
          
           also
           received
           the
           said
           Remonstrance
           ,
           and
           promised
           to
           give
           an
           answer
           thereunto
           in
           due
           time
           ,
           and
           not
           at
           any
           time
           since
           its
           receiving
           into
           their
           Honourable
           House
           ,
           by
           any
           p●bli●e
           act
           manifested
           
           to
           the
           world
           the
           least
           dislike
           thereof
           ?
           and
           yet
           must
           
             Lon●●●s
             Remonstrance
          
           by
           one
           of
           its
           own
           members
           be
           charged
           with
           raising
           a
           prejudice
           against
           the
           
             Parliaments
             innoceney
             ?
          
        
         
           I
           pray
           consider
           whether
           by
           this
           you
           doe
           not
           first
           charge
           the
           
             House
             of
             Lords
          
           for
           their
           being
           well
           satisfied
           with
           that
           ,
           which
           yet
           you
           say
           ,
           
             doth
             raise
             a
             prejudice
             against
             the
             Parliaments
             innocencie
             .
          
           And
           secondly
           ,
           whether
           you
           doe
           not
           prejudge
           the
           judgement
           of
           
             the
             House
             of
             Commons
             ,
          
           and
           therein
           breake
           the
           Priviledge
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           in
           passing
           such
           a
           sentence
           ,
           and
           laying
           such
           a
           charge
           upon
           that
           ,
           which
           yet
           lyeth
           under
           their
           consideration
           :
           I
           onely
           offer
           these
           two
           Quaeries
           to
           your
           after
           ,
           or
           second
           consideration
           .
        
         
           But
           for
           a
           ●
           this
           ,
           you
           say
           that
           this
           shall
           bee
           fully
           evidenced
           before
           you
           have
           done
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           pray
           remember
           what
           it
           is
           that
           in
           this
           you
           promise
           ,
           and
           be
           sure
           that
           in
           the
           particulars
           of
           it
           you
           make
           your
           Charge
           good
           ,
           otherwise
           you
           must
           not
           bee
           offended
           ,
           nor
           take
           it
           ill
           ,
           if
           according
           to
           the
           common
           Proverbe
           ,
           you
           be
           judged
           to
           be
           one
           of
           them
           ,
           which
           will
           undertake
           more
           in
           an
           houre
           ,
           then
           you
           can
           performe
           in
           an
           age
           .
           I
           appeal
           to
           the
           Reader
           ,
           whether
           as
           yet
           ,
           either
           the
           Moderate
           reply
           ,
           or
           this
           your
           Remonstrance
           Remonstrated
           ,
           hath
           in
           any
           one
           instance
           ,
           which
           either
           of
           you
           have
           given
           ,
           or
           in
           all
           that
           both
           of
           you
           have
           done
           ,
           done
           any
           thing
           which
           proves
           that
           
             the
             City
             Remonstrance
          
           hath
           raised
           a
           prejudice
           against
           
             the
             Parliaments
             innocency
             ;
          
           and
           t●●ly
           you
           must
           needs
           beare
           with
           me
           in
           this
           ,
           that
           I
           cannot
           judge
           your
           bare
           word
           to
           be
           of
           that
           Authority
           ,
           as
           to
           beleeve
           it
           because
           you
           affirme
           it
           ,
           especially
           considering
           
             the
             honorable
             House
             of
             Commons
          
           hath
           not
           as
           yet
           passed
           any
           the
           least
           displeasing
           sentence
           against
           it
           ;
           and
           
             the
             honorable
             House
             of
             Lords
          
           hath
           declared
           ,
           that
           they
           are
           wel
           satisfied
           with
           the
           particulars
           contained
           in
           it
           .
           And
           both
           House●
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           since
           their
           receiving
           of
           this
           Remonstrance
           ,
           have
           in
           the
           Propositions
           sent
           to
           his
           Majesty
           for
           a
           safe
           &
           w●l
           grounded
           Peace●
           even
           in
           
             terminis
             ,
          
           proposed
           more
           to
           his
           Maje●ty
           for
           his
           R●oyall
           ▪
           assent
           ,
           as
           unto
           Reformation
           of
           Religion
           ,
           then
           the
           Remonst●ant●
           have
           desired
           in
           their
           second
           ,
           third
           ,
           and
           fourth
           Petitidus
           ,
           so
           much
           condemned
           by
           you
           ;
           for
           the
           drift
           of
           all
           that
           they
           desire
           ,
           is
           〈◊〉
           an
           equall
           conformity
           of
           all
           the
           Subjects
           of
           
             England
          
           to
           the
           publike
           dis●ipline
           and
           doctrine
           set
           forth
           ,
           or
           to
           bee
           set
           forth
           by
           Authority
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           as
           by
           reference
           to
           those
           three
           Petitions
           will
           clearely
           
           shew
           ,
           but
           both
           Houses
           of
           Parliament
           in
           their
           great
           wisdome
           ,
           faithfulnesse
           ,
           and
           care
           for
           the
           publike
           safety
           and
           peace
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           have
           in
           the
           fifth
           and
           sixth
           Articles
           of
           the
           Propositions
           in
           these
           words
           thus
           proposed
           ;
           
             viz.
          
           Ar●ic
           .
           5.
           
           
             That
             Reformation
             of
             Religion
             accordin●
             to
             〈…〉
             by
             Act
             of
             Parliame●●
             ,
             in
             such
             manner
             as
             both
             Ho●ses
             have
             agreed
             ,
             〈…〉
             agree
             upon
             ,
             after
             consultation
             had
             with
             the
             Assembly
             of
             〈◊〉
             .
          
           And
           Article
           6
           it
           thus
           followeth
           ;
           
             For
             〈◊〉
             much
             as
             ●ot●
             Kingdome●
             are
             〈◊〉
             oblig●d
             by
             the
             same
             Covm●n●
             to
             indeavo●●
             the
             ●●arest
             ●onjunction
             and
             unif●rmity
             in
             matters
             of
             Religion
             ,
             that
             such
             unity
             and
             〈◊〉
             in
             Religi●n
             according
             to
             the
             Covenant
             as
             after
             〈…〉
             Divines
             of
             b●t●
             Kingdomes
             now
             assembled
             ,
             〈…〉
             shall
             bee
             〈◊〉
             agreed
             ●pon
             〈◊〉
             Houses
             of
             Parliament
             of
          
           England
           ,
           
             and
             by
             the
             Ch●rch
             and
             Kingdome
             of
          
           Scotland
           ,
           
             be
             〈◊〉
             by
             Acts
             of
             Parliament
             of
             both
             Kingdomes
             respectively
             .
          
           And
           therefore
           were
           I
           thought
           worthy
           to
           bee
           of
           your
           Councell
           ,
           I
           sho●ld
           advise
           you
           to
           bee
           so
           inge●●ous
           ,
           as
           in
           this
           to
           confesse
           your
           error
           ,
           and
           not
           to
           imagine
           that
           you
           see
           more
           in
           the
           
             City
             Remonstran●e
             ,
          
           then
           either
           one
           or
           both
           
             Houses
             of
             Parliament
          
           can
           yet
           discerne
           ;
           and
           for
           after
           times
           ,
           I
           wou●d
           perswade
           you
           to
           forbeare
           the
           thus
           unjust
           besm●a●ing
           and
           falsly
           acc●sing
           that
           City
           wh●reof
           you
           are
           a
           member
           ,
           〈◊〉
           amongst
           whom
           under
           God
           you
           enjoy
           your
           livelihood
           .
        
         
           
             You
             g●e
             on
             and
             say
             ,
          
           〈…〉
           Reply
           〈◊〉
           with
           adversary
           ●pon
           adversary
           representi●●
           the
           Au●hor
           of
           the
           said
           ●ooke
           ,
           a
           lyer
           ,
           because
           〈◊〉
           tells
           〈…〉
           a
           friend
           to
           the
           Parliament
           .
        
         
           
             Ans●
             ,
          
           Truly
           ,
           these
           are
           fine
           〈◊〉
           if
           they
           were
           true
           ,
           to
           beget
           〈…〉
           Remonstrance
           ,
           and
           to
           ingratiate
           the
           opposer●
           in
           the
           eyes
           of
           the
           people
           .
           But
           I
           pray
           what
           doe
           you
           〈…〉
           ,
           I
           must
           needs
           say
           you
           tread
           in
           the
           〈…〉
           Replyer
           〈…〉
           ,
           and
           it
           's
           very
           〈…〉
           the
           book
           and
           the
           page
           if
           you
           〈…〉
           ,
           and
           tell
           us
           the
           truth
           you
           have
           told
           ,
           〈…〉
           you
           are
           called
           a
           Lyer
           ,
           and
           where
           you
           are
           〈…〉
           you
           are
           a
           friend
           to
           the
           Parliame●●
           〈…〉
           be
           taking
           with
           children
           〈…〉
           .
        
         
         
           The
           next
           thing
           you
           fall
           upon
           ,
           is
           in
           your
           fourth
           page
           ,
           and
           that
           is
           the
           word
           Humble
           Remonstrance
           ,
           and
           upon
           this
           you
           descant
           in
           some
           similitudes
           ,
           as
           of
           Court
           complements
           ,
           and
           Cavaliers
           carriage
           ,
           and
           then
           in
           plaine
           termes
           you
           call
           it
           ,
           
             a
             Remonstrance
             invective
             against
             the
             Parliament
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           You
           are
           full
           of
           charges
           ,
           though
           never
           so
           false
           ,
           and
           liberall
           in
           your
           expressions
           ,
           though
           you
           make
           nothing
           good
           ;
           I
           conceive
           you
           thinke
           your selfe
           safe
           and
           secure
           ,
           and
           perhaps
           you
           are
           so
           from
           ever
           giving
           an
           accompt
           of
           these
           your
           actions
           to
           any
           earthly
           authority
           :
           but
           yet
           methink●
           the
           words
           of
           the
           ninth
           
             Commandement
          
           should
           be
           of
           some
           authority
           to
           you
           ,
           and
           beare
           some
           sway
           with
           you
           ,
           
             viz.
             Thou
             shalt
             not
             beare
             false
             witnesse
             against
             thy
             neighbour
             .
          
           If
           not
           against
           a
           particular
           person
           ,
           then
           sure
           not
           against
           a
           Corporation
           ,
           a
           City
           whereof
           your self
           are
           a
           member
           .
        
         
           Then
           you
           are
           offended
           at
           these
           expressions
           ,
           
             viz.
             Two
             late
             Libells
             ,
             published
             by
             two
             Anonymusses
             ;
          
           and
           you
           aske
           why
           I
           call
           them
           Libells
           before
           I
           prove
           them
           so
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           They
           were
           so
           in
           themselves
           before
           I
           named
           them
           so
           ;
           neither
           called
           I
           them
           Libells
           ,
           for
           any
           of
           those
           reasons
           which
           you
           would
           have
           the
           world
           beleeve
           I
           did
           .
           As
           first
           ,
           because
           they
           are
           written
           by
           an
           Antipresbyter
           ;
           nor
           yet
           because
           they
           containe
           in
           them
           lies
           ,
           falsities
           ,
           untruths
           ,
           though
           all
           these
           in
           severall
           instances
           are
           in
           the
           vindication
           made
           good
           against
           them
           ,
           nor
           because
           they
           are
           little
           Bookes
           ,
           nor
           yet
           singly
           ,
           because
           they
           are
           written
           against
           the
           City
           ,
           or
           because
           they
           are
           without
           the
           Authors
           Names
           ,
           but
           for
           these
           two
           last
           reasons
           joyntly
           and
           together
           :
           A
           Libell
           I
           call
           that
           which
           is
           an
           untrue
           ,
           and
           therefore
           an
           unjust
           Charge
           upon
           or
           against
           a
           Person
           ,
           a
           Corporation
           ,
           a
           Court
           ,
           without
           any
           name
           annexed
           to
           make
           good
           what
           is
           there
           charged
           ;
           and
           in
           this
           respect
           I
           appeale
           to
           the
           Reader
           ,
           whether
           I
           did
           not
           truly
           and
           justly
           call
           them
           Libells
           .
        
         
           
             Lastly
             ,
             before
             you
             come
             to
             the
             body
             of
             the
             Booke
             ,
             you
             have
             yet
             another
             fling
             against
             the
             Title
             ,
          
           A
           Vindication
           of
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           ,
           that
           is
           ,
           
             (
             say
             you
             )
          
           a
           Vindication
           of
           that
           which
           is
           invindicable
           :
           
             And
             therefore
             (
             say
             you
             )
          
           better
           it
           would
           bee
           that
           both
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           ,
           and
           the
           vindication
           thereof
           were
           written
           in
           ashes
           with
           the
           finger
           of
           vanitie
           ,
           then
           in
           marble
           with
           the
           pen
           of
           a
           〈◊〉
           ,
           &c.
           
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           For
           ought
           I
           yet
           see
           ,
           it
           is
           but
           one
           〈◊〉
           opinion
           ,
           and
           
           he
           none
           of
           the
           gravest
           neither
           ,
           that
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           is
           invindicable
           ,
           and
           what
           you
           have
           said
           to
           prove
           it
           to
           be
           so
           ,
           I
           desire
           the
           Reader
           to
           judge
           ,
           for
           truly
           I
           cannot
           dis●ern
           it
           .
           But
           of
           this
           I
           am
           confident
           ,
           that
           it
           is
           app●oved
           by
           the
           
             Ch●rch
             of
             Scotland
             ,
          
           witnesse
           the
           Letter
           now
           in
           Print
           for
           all
           the
           Kingdome
           to
           see
           ,
           which
           was
           sent
           from
           the
           Generall
           Assembly
           〈◊〉
           the
           
             Church
             of
             Scotland
             ,
          
           to
           the
           
             Lord
             Major
             ,
             Alderme●
             ,
          
           and
           〈…〉
           of
           
             London
             ,
          
           June
           18.
           1646.
           manifesting
           thei●
           approbation
           of
           it
           ,
           and
           thankfulness
           for
           it
           .
           And
           sure
           I
           may
           say●
           it
           is
           app●●ved
           by
           the
           generality
           of
           the
           ablest
           ,
           grave●
           ,
           and
           〈…〉
           witnesse
           their
           Petition
           subscribed
           by
           eight
           Thous●●●
           〈◊〉
           Hundred
           ,
           thirty
           and
           four
           of
           their
           Hands
           presented
           the
           twenty
           third
           of
           
             Iune
             ,
          
           1646.
           to
           the
           
             Court
             of
             Common-Councell
             ,
          
           giving
           them
           Thankes
           for
           it
           ;
           testifying
           their
           approbation
           of
           ●t
           ,
           and
           des●●ing
           them
           to
           wait
           upon
           the
           
             House
             of
             Co●m●ns
          
           fo●
           their
           gracio●s
           answer
           to
           it
           ,
           which
           Petition
           is
           by
           Order
           of
           Co●●t
           since
           Printed
           .
           And
           me
           think●
           you
           should
           not
           forget
           that
           the
           same
           Remonstrance
           for
           the
           substance
           of
           it
           ,
           was
           not
           onely
           well
           accepted
           ,
           but
           also
           graciously
           answered
           by
           the
           
             House
             of
             Lords
             .
          
           And
           therefore
           ●urely
           in
           the
           judgment
           of
           all
           these
           ,
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           ●s
           not
           ●udged
           〈◊〉
           :
           But
           perhaps
           you
           ar●e
           of
           the
           ●ind●
           of
           〈…〉
           6.
           16.
           who
           was
           
             〈…〉
             reason
             .
          
           And
           I
           make
           as
           little
           〈…〉
           ,
           yet
           it
           is
           and
           will
           be
           〈◊〉
           all
           the
           Reformed
           Churches
           in
           
             Europe
             ,
          
           not
           one
           excep●●●
           .
           〈…〉
           .
           Q●arrells
           〈…〉
           is
           you
           have
           to
           say
           against
           the
           〈…〉
           
           whether
           in
           all
           probability
           the
           Reply
           ,
           and
           not
           the
           Remonstrance
           hath
           raised
           those
           disturbances
           ,
           for
           the
           Subject
           of
           the
           Remonstrance
           is
           an
           earnest
           desire
           of
           the
           settlement
           of
           government
           ,
           by
           one
           Uniforme
           Law
           ,
           for
           all
           the
           Subjects
           of
           
             England
          
           to
           submit
           equally
           and
           alike
           unto
           ,
           which
           I
           am
           sure
           must
           needs
           tend
           to
           peace
           and
           quietnesse
           ,
           but
           the
           d●ift
           of
           the
           Reply
           is
           quite
           contrary
           ,
           and
           therefore
           without
           all
           peradventure
           it
           's
           this
           ,
           and
           its
           abettors
           ,
           and
           not
           that
           and
           its
           promoters
           ,
           which
           hath
           desired
           and
           occasioned
           these
           Divisions
           both
           in
           Church
           and
           State
           .
        
         
           In
           pag.
           9
           you
           go
           about
           to
           shew
           that
           the
           
             Common-Councell
          
           by
           their
           Remonstrance
           ,
           
             did
             act
             in
             a
             direct
             ,
             evident
             ,
             and
             obvious
             manner
             against
             the
             expresse
             Will
             and
             Word
             of
             God
             ;
          
           and
           for
           proofe
           of
           this
           in
           page
           11
           ▪
           you
           give
           us
           some
           Scriptures
           ,
           and
           some
           passages
           in
           the
           Remon●●rance
           ,
           which
           you
           say
           ,
           or
           at
           least
           would
           have
           the
           world
           beleeve
           ,
           is
           in
           a
           direct
           ,
           evident
           ,
           and
           obvious
           manner
           against
           the
           expresse
           Will
           and
           Word
           of
           God
           ;
           but
           you
           never
           tell
           the
           reader
           how
           ,
           or
           wherein
           they
           are
           so
           ,
           but
           thus
           you
           deliver
           them
           .
        
         
           
             
               LET
               US
               TRY
               THEN
               :
            
             
               
                 WORD
                 OF
                 GOD
                 .
              
               
                 CITY
                 REMONSTRANCE
                 .
              
            
             
               
                 
                   Rom.
                   14.
                   5.
                   
                
                 Let
                 ●very
                 man
                 bee
                 fully
                 perswaded
                 in
                 his
                 owne
                 minde
                 .
              
               
                 
                   That
                   as
                   we
                   are
                   Subjects
                   of
                   one
                   Kingdom
                   ,
                   so
                   all
                   may
                   bee
                   equally
                   required
                
                 (
                 and
                 here
                 to
                 delude
                 the
                 Reader
                 ,
                 you
                 insert
                 ,
                 without
                 making
                 the
                 least
                 change
                 of
                 the
                 character
                 ,
                 these
                 following
                 words
                 ,
                 as
                 if
                 they
                 also
                 were
                 in
                 the
                 Remonstrance
                 ;
                 
                   viz.
                
                 Be
                 they
                 perswaded
                 in
                 their
                 own
                 minds
                 ,
                 or
                 not
                 perswaded
                 )
                 
                   to
                   yeeld
                   obedience
                   to
                   the
                   government
                   set
                   forth
                   ,
                   or
                   to
                   be
                   set
                   forth
                   by
                   the
                   Parliament
                   .
                
              
            
          
        
         
           Now
           I
           shall
           wholly
           all
           along
           in
           these
           your
           Parallels
           ,
           leave
           it
           to
           the
           judgment
           of
           the
           Reader
           to
           consider
           ,
           whether
           there
           be
           such
           an
           antipathy
           between
           these
           Scriptures
           ,
           and
           those
           Petitions
           of
           the
           Remonstrance
           ,
           as
           in
           the
           Remonstrance
           ,
           without
           your
           insertion
           ,
           they
           are
           exprest
           ;
           and
           crave
           your
           leave
           in
           the
           same
           way
           of
           parallel
           ,
           to
           set
           the
           same
           Scriptures
           with
           some
           branches
           of
           the
           Proposition●
           
           sent
           by
           both
           Houses
           of
           Parliament
           to
           the
           King
           ,
           and
           other
           pass●ges
           of
           Parliament
           and
           then
           desire
           your
           judgement
           ,
           whether
           they
           also
           〈◊〉
           a
           direct
           ,
           e●ident
           and
           obvious
           manner
           against
           the
           expresse
           Will
           and
           Word
           of
           God
           .
        
         
           
             
               
                 WORD
                 OF
                 GOD
                 .
              
               
                 Propositions
                 of
                 both
                 Houses
                 of
                 Parliament
                 ,
                 
                   Article
                
                 the
                 5th
                 .
              
            
             
               
                 
                   Rom.
                   14.
                   5.
                   
                
                 Let
                 every
                 man
                 bee
                 fully
                 perswaded
                 in
                 his
                 owne
                 minde
                 .
              
               
                 That
                 r●formation
                 of
                 Religion
                 according
                 to
                 the
                 Coven●nt
                 ,
                 bee
                 setled
                 by
                 Act
                 of
                 Parliament
                 ,
                 in
                 su●h
                 manner
                 as
                 both
                 Houses
                 have
                 agreed
                 ,
                 or
                 shall
                 agree
                 upon
                 ,
                 after
                 consultation
                 had
                 with
                 the
                 assembly
                 of
                 Divines
                 .
              
            
             
               
                  
              
               
                 ●CITI
                 REMONSTRANCE
                 .
              
            
             
               
                 
                   Rom.
                   14.
                   13.
                   
                
                 That
                 no
                 man
                 put
                 a
                 stumbling
                 block
                 or
                 an
                 occasion
                 to
                 fall
                 ,
                 in
                 his
                 b●
                 others
                 way
                 .
              
               
                 That
                 all
                 such
                 Sectaries
                 as
                 conform
                 not
                 to
                 the
                 publike
                 Discipline
                 established
                 ,
                 or
                 to
                 bee
                 established
                 (
                 by
                 Parliament
                 ,
                 
                   saith
                   the
                   Remonstrance
                   ,
                   but
                   this
                   you
                   leave
                   out
                   ,
                   )
                
                 may
                 be
                 fully
                 declared
                 against
                 ,
                 and
                 some
                 effectual
                 course
                 setled
                 for
                 proceeding
                 against
                 such
                 persons
                 :
                 
                   Here
                   ,
                
                 say
                 you
                 ,
                 
                   is
                   a
                   stumbling
                   block●
                
                 viz.
                 
                   a
                   menace
                   in
                   a
                   brothers
                   way
                   .
                
              
            
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           But
           why
           doe
           you
           leave
           out
           the
           beginning
           of
           that
           prayer
           ,
           in
           the
           Petit●on
           which
           you
           cite●●t
           tels
           you
           the
           meaning
           of
           the
           Remonstrants
           ,
           by
           the
           words
           all
           such
           Sectaries
           ,
           
             ●iz
             .
          
           Those
           immediately
           before
           mentioned
           ,
           as
           Anab●ptists
           ,
           Brownists
           ,
           Heretiques
           ,
           Schismaticks
           ,
           Blasphemers
           ;
           doe
           you
           not
           by
           omitting
           the
           mentioning
           of
           these
           ,
           indeavour
           to
           del●de
           the
           Reader
           ?
        
         
           I
           pray
           put
           down
           that
           Petition
           wholly
           together
           ,
           and
           let
           the
           Reader
           be
           fairly
           dea●t
           with
           all
           ,
           and
           have
           it
           ,
           as
           in
           the
           Remonstrance
           it
           is
           exprest
           ,
           an●
           then
           see
           how
           it
           is
           opposite
           to
           the
           Scripture
           by
           you
           set
           against
           it
           .
        
         
           
             
               
                 〈…〉
              
               
                 〈…〉
              
            
          
        
         
         
           I
           desire
           here
           also
           in
           a
           parallel
           way
           ,
           to
           set
           downe
           the
           Scriptu●●
           by
           you
           brought
           ,
           and
           a
           passage
           or
           two
           of
           the
           Parliaments
           ,
           and
           〈◊〉
           desire
           your
           judgement
           ,
           whether
           they
           also
           be
           in
           a
           direct
           ,
           evident
           and
           obvious
           manner
           ,
           against
           the
           expresse
           Will
           and
           Word
           of
           God
           .
        
         
           
             
               
                 WORD
                 OF
                 GOD
                 .
              
               
                 ●Parliaments
                 Declaration
                 upon
                 his
                 Majesties
                 Declaration
                 after
                 the
                 Ba●taile
                 at
                 
                   Edgebill
                   ,
                
                 Pag.
                 659.
                 
              
            
             
               
                 
                   Rom●
                   14.
                   13.
                   
                
                 That
                 〈…〉
                 put
                 a
                 〈…〉
                 blo●k
                 ,
                 or
                 an
                 occasion
                 to
                 fall
                 ,
                 in
                 his
                 brothers
                 way
                 .
              
               
                 Had
                 not
                 his
                 Majesty
                 (
                 seduced
                 thereunto
                 by
                 that
                 Popish
                 and
                 Prelaticall
                 faction
                 )
                 denyed
                 his
                 conse●t
                 to
                 the
                 Bil
                 for
                 the
                 Assembly
                 ,
                 so
                 often
                 by
                 both
                 Houses
                 presented
                 to
                 him
                 ,
                 wee
                 had
                 long
                 since
                 manifested
                 to
                 the
                 world
                 by
                 a
                 well
                 setled
                 reformation
                 ,
                 our
                 〈◊〉
                 dislike
                 of
                 ●*
                 Brownisme
                 and
                 Anab●ptisme
                 .
                 Remonstrance
                 of
                 the
                 State
                 of
                 the
                 kingdom
                 ,
                 page
                 19.
                 
                 We
                 do
                 declare
                 ,
                 that
                 it
                 is
                 far
                 from
                 our
                 purpose
                 or
                 d●sire
                 ,
                 to
                 let
                 loose
                 the
                 golden
                 reynes
                 of
                 †
                 discipline
                 and
                 government
                 in
                 the
                 Church
                 ,
                 to
                 leave
                 private
                 persons
                 ,
                 or
                 particular
                 Congregations
                 to
                 take
                 up
                 what
                 for
                 me
                 of
                 Divine
                 Service
                 they
                 please
                 ,
                 for
                 wee
                 hold
                 it
                 requisite
                 that
                 there
                 should
                 be
                 throughout
                 the
                 whole
                 realme
                 ,
                 a
                 conf●rmity
                 to
                 that
                 Order
                 which
                 the
                 Laws
                 enjoyne
                 ,
                 according
                 to
                 the
                 Word
                 of
                 God
                 .
              
            
             
               
                 
                   M●t.
                   7
                   12.
                   
                
                 As
                 you
                 would
                 that
                 men
                 should
                 doe
                 unto
                 you
                 ,
                 so
                 doe
                 unt●
                 them
                 ,
                 for
                 this
                 is
                 the
                 Law
                 and
                 the
                 Propheis
                 .
              
               
                 
                   Page
                   3.
                   
                
                 Wee
                 will
                 not
                 receive
                 impression
                 of
                 any
                 forced
                 construction
                 of
                 the
                 Covenant
                 :
                 compare
                 this
                 with
                 Page
                 7.
                 
              
            
          
        
         
           Will
           you
           never
           leave
           fals●fying
           ?
           where
           doe
           you
           finde
           any
           such
           expression
           in
           the
           Remonstrance
           ,
           either
           in
           Page
           3
           ,
           or
           7.
           as
           this
           is
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           we
           will
           not
           receive
           impression
           of
           any
           forced
           construction
           of
           the
           Covenant
           ?
           The
           House
           of
           Commons
           in
           their
           late
           Declaration
           of
           the
           17
           of
           
             Aprill
             ,
          
           1646.
           doe
           say
           ,
           
             Wee
             expect
             that
             the
             people
             of
          
           England
           
             should
             not
             receive
             impressions
             of
             any
             forced
             construction
             of
             that
             Covenant
             ;
          
           and
           in
           obedience
           thereunto
           ,
           the
           Remonstrants
           ,
           doe
           say
           in
           page
           2
           and
           3
           of
           the
           Remonstrance
           ,
           that
           in
           pursuance
           
           of
           that
           Noble
           resolution
           of
           this
           Honourable
           House
           ,
           for
           the
           due
           observation
           of
           the
           Covenant
           ,
           and
           their
           expectation
           of
           conformity
           of
           the
           people
           of
           
             England
          
           thereunto
           ,
           expressed
           in
           the
           late
           Declaration
           ,
           we
           doe
           resolve
           by
           the
           grace
           of
           God
           not
           to
           receive
           impression
           of
           any
           forced
           construction
           thereof
           ;
           and
           is
           it
           now
           become
           an
           acting
           in
           a
           direct
           ,
           evident
           and
           obvious
           manne●
           against
           the
           expresse
           Will
           and
           Word
           of
           God
           ,
           for
           the
           Common-Councell
           to
           professe
           their
           resolutions
           to
           yeeld
           obedience
           to
           the
           desires
           and
           expectations
           of
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           ,
           in
           their
           not
           receiving
           impressions
           of
           any
           forced
           constructions
           of
           the
           Covenant
           ?
        
         
           I
           desire
           your
           leave
           here
           also
           in
           a
           parallel
           way
           to
           set
           downe
           the
           Scripture
           by
           you
           here
           brought
           ,
           and
           another
           branch
           of
           the
           Propositions
           sent
           by
           both
           House
           of
           Parliament
           to
           the
           King
           ;
           and
           to
           desire
           your
           judgement
           ,
           whether
           that
           also
           be
           in
           a
           direct
           ,
           evident
           and
           obvious
           manne
           against
           the
           expresse
           Will
           and
           Word
           of
           God
           .
        
         
           
             
               
                 WORD
                 OF
                 GOD
                 .
              
               
                 Propositions
                 of
                 both
                 Houses
                 of
                 Parliament
                 ,
                 
                   Article
                
                 the
                 6th
                 .
              
            
             
               
                 
                   Mat.
                   7.
                   12
                   
                
                 A●
                 you
                 would
                 that
                 men
                 should
                 do
                 unto
                 you
                 ,
                 so
                 do
                 unto
                 them
                 ,
                 for
                 this
                 is
                 the
                 Law
                 and
                 the
                 Pro●hets
                 .
              
               
                 For
                 as
                 much
                 as
                 both
                 Kingdomes
                 are
                 mutually
                 obliged
                 by
                 the
                 same
                 Covenant
                 ,
                 to
                 endeavour
                 the
                 nearest
                 conjunction
                 and
                 uniformity
                 in
                 matters
                 of
                 Religion
                 :
                 That
                 such
                 unity
                 and
                 uniformity
                 in
                 Religion
                 according
                 to
                 the
                 Covenant
                 ,
                 as
                 after
                 consultation
                 had
                 with
                 the
                 Divines
                 of
                 both
                 kingdoms
                 now
                 assembled
                 ,
                 is
                 ,
                 or
                 shall
                 bee
                 jointly
                 agreed
                 upon
                 by
                 both
                 Houses
                 of
                 Parliament
                 of
                 
                   England
                   ,
                
                 and
                 by
                 the
                 Church
                 and
                 Ki●gdom
                 of
                 
                   Scotland
                   ,
                
                 be
                 confirmed
                 by
                 Acts
                 of
                 Parliament
                 of
                 both
                 Kingdomes
                 respectively
                 .
              
            
             
               
                  
              
               
                 CITY
                 REMONSTRANCE
                 .
              
            
             
               
                 
                   Mat.
                   7.
                   1●
                   .
                
                 As
                 you
                 would
                 ,
                 that
                 men
                 should
                 doe
                 unto
                 you
                 ,
                 so
                 doe
                 unto
                 them
                 ,
                 for
                 this
                 is
                 the
                 Law
                 &
                 the
                 Pro●hets
                 .
              
               
                 The
                 4
                 Petition
                 ,
                 That
                 no
                 person
                 disaffected
                 to
                 Pre●byterian
                 government
                 
                   (
                   saith
                   the
                   Remonstrance
                   ,
                
                 s●t
                 forth
                 ,
                 or
                 to
                 be
                 set
                 forth
                 by
                 the
                 Parliament
                 ,
                 
                   but
                   according
                   to
                   your
                   usuall
                   course
                   ,
                   this
                   to
                   blind
                   the
                   reader
                   you
                   sti●●
                   leav●
                   ou●
                   )
                
                 may
                 be
                 employed
                 in
                 any
                 place
                 of
                 publike
                 trust
                 ;
                 
                   and
                   the●
                   you
                   add
                   ,
                   which
                   is
                   not
                   at
                   all
                   in
                   that
                   Petition
                   ,
                   those
                   words
                   :
                
                 viz.
                 
                   But
                   some
                   effectual
                   course
                   setled
                   to
                   proceed
                   against
                   such
                   persons
                   ,
                   as
                   in
                   the
                   3
                   Petition
                   ,
                
                 where
                 there
                 is
                 not
                 the
                 shadow
                 of
                 a
                 word
                 tending
                 to
                 any
                 such
                 purpose
                 .
              
            
          
        
         
         
           I
           confesse
           the
           words
           you●
           cite
           are
           in
           the
           2d
           .
           Petition
           ,
           but
           not
           at
           all
           in
           the
           least
           manner
           applyed
           to
           persons
           onely
           disaffected
           to
           Presbyterian
           government
           ,
           for
           there
           is
           no
           such
           word
           in
           that
           Petition
           ,
           nor
           any
           thing
           looking
           that
           way
           ;
           neither
           doth
           the
           
             Common-Councell
             ,
          
           in
           any
           part
           of
           their
           Petitions
           so
           much
           as
           desire
           that
           persons
           onely
           disaffected
           to
           Presbyterian
           government
           ,
           should
           by
           some
           effectuall
           course
           ▪
           setled
           ,
           be
           proceeded
           against
           ;
           and
           therefore
           methinks
           you
           should
           have
           been
           a
           little
           more
           considerate
           ,
           before
           you
           should
           thus
           falsly
           and
           unjustly
           have
           charged
           the
           
             Common-Councell
             to
             act
             in
             a
             direct
             ,
             evident
             ,
             and
             obvious
             manner
             against
             the
             expresse
             Will
             and
             Word
             of
             God
             .
          
           This
           I
           will
           grant
           you
           ,
           that
           in
           the
           second
           Petition
           the
           
             Common-Councell
          
           doth
           desire
           ,
           that
           all
           Anabaptists
           ,
           Brownists
           ,
           He●etiques
           ,
           Schismaticks
           ,
           Blasphemers
           ,
           and
           all
           
             such
             Sect●ries
          
           as
           conforme
           not
           to
           the
           publike
           Discipline
           established
           ,
           or
           to
           be
           established
           by
           Parliament
           ,
           may
           be
           fully
           declared
           against
           ,
           and
           some
           effectuall
           course
           setled
           for
           proceeding
           against
           
             such
             Persons
             ,
          
           but
           is
           there
           no
           difference
           between
           Anabaptists
           ,
           Brownists
           ,
           Heretiques
           ,
           ●chismaticks
           ,
           Sectaries
           ,
           and
           persons
           but
           disaffected
           to
           Presbyterian
           government
           ?
           I
           pray
           tell
           mee
           your
           minde
           plainly
           ,
           would
           you
           have
           Heretiques
           and
           Blasphemers
           ,
           〈◊〉
           .
           such
           as
           deny
           the
           Scriptures
           to
           bee
           the
           Word
           of
           God
           ,
           such
           as
           professe
           the
           Scriptures
           are
           writings
           onely
           probable
           to
           be
           beleeved
           as
           the
           Story
           of
           King
           
             Henry
          
           the
           eighth●
           such
           as
           deny
           the
           Trinity
           of
           Persons
           in
           the
           Unity
           of
           Essence
           ,
           such
           as
           call
           the
           Trinity
           a
           three
           headed
           
             Cerberus
             ,
          
           ●uch
           as
           deny
           the
           Divinity
           of
           Christ
           ,
           such
           as
           deny
           the
           immortality
           of
           the
           Soule
           ,
           and
           such
           as
           deny
           that
           there
           is
           a
           God
           ,
           or
           say
           ,
           if
           there
           bee
           a
           God
           ,
           the
           Devill
           is
           a
           God
           ,
           such
           as
           say
           God
           is
           the
           author
           of
           sin
           ,
           such
           who
           hold
           that
           all
           men
           shall
           bee
           saved
           ,
           yea
           ,
           and
           the
           Devills
           too
           ,
           such
           as
           say
           that
           Christs
           humane
           Nature
           is
           defiled
           with
           Originall
           sin
           as
           well
           as
           ours
           ,
           such
           as
           hold
           that
           all
           R●ligions
           ,
           Worships
           ,
           Consciences
           ,
           whether
           Paganish
           ,
           Jewish
           ,
           Antichristian
           ,
           &c.
           should
           bee
           tolerated
           :
           would
           you
           have
           these
           tolerated
           ,
           or
           would
           you
           not
           have
           some
           effectuall
           course
           setled
           for
           proceeding
           against
           such
           Persons
           ?
           or
           doe
           you
           thinke
           these
           to
           be
           no
           more
           dangerous
           ,
           if
           permitted
           to
           broach
           these
           Here●ies
           and
           Blasphemies
           in
           the
           Kingdom
           ,
           then
           to
           permit
           persons
           otherwise
           every
           way
           peaceable
           ,
           godly
           ,
           and
           orthodox
           ,
           because
           meerly
           disaffected
           to
           Presbyterian
           government
           ?
        
         
         
           I
           desire
           here
           also
           in
           a
           parallel
           way
           to
           set
           downe
           the
           Scripture
           by
           you
           here
           brought
           ,
           and
           a
           Vote
           of
           the
           
             House
             of
             Commons
          
           of
           the
           30
           
             Iuly
             ,
          
           1641.
           and
           to
           desire
           your
           judgement
           ,
           whether
           that
           also
           be
           in
           a
           direct
           ,
           evident
           ,
           and
           obvious
           manner
           against
           the
           expresse
           Will
           and
           Word
           of
           God
           .
        
         
           
             
               
                 WORD
                 OF
                 GOD
                 .
              
               
                 Vote
                 of
                 the
                 House
                 of
                 Commons
                 ,
                 
                   die
                   V●neris
                   30
                   Iubii
                   ,
                
                 1641.
                 
              
            
             
               
                 
                   Mat.
                
                 7.
                 12
                 
                 As
                 you
                 would
                 〈◊〉
                 men
                 should
                 doe
                 unto
                 you
                 ,
                 so
                 doe
                 unto
                 them
                 ;
                 for
                 this
                 is
                 the
                 Law
                 and
                 the
                 Prophets
                 .
              
               
                 
                   Resolved
                   upon
                   the
                   Question
                   .
                
                 That
                 this
                 House
                 doth
                 conceive
                 that
                 the
                 Protestation
                 made
                 by
                 them
                 ,
                 is
                 sit
                 to
                 be
                 taken
                 by
                 every
                 person
                 that
                 is
                 well-affected
                 in
                 Religion
                 ,
                 and
                 to
                 the
                 good
                 of
                 the
                 Common-wealth
                 :
                 And
                 ●herefore
                 doth
                 ●eclar●
                 ,
                 That
                 what
                 person
                 soever
                 shall
                 not
                 take
                 the
                 Protestation
                 ,
                 is
                 unfit
                 to
                 bear
                 Office
                 in
                 the
                 Church
                 o●
                 Common-wealth
                 .
              
            
          
        
         
           Thus
           having
           given
           you
           these
           Articles
           of
           the
           Propositions
           of
           both
           Houses
           of
           Parliament
           sent
           to
           the
           King
           for
           a
           safe
           and
           well
           grounded
           Peace
           ,
           and
           the
           other
           passages
           of
           both
           or
           either
           House
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           which
           I
           have
           placed
           after
           your
           example
           ,
           in
           a
           parallel
           way
           ,
           against
           the
           Scriptures
           by
           you
           brought
           ,
           and
           desired
           your
           judgement
           whether
           these
           also
           do
           act
           (
           as
           you
           would
           have
           the
           world
           beleeve
           the
           Petitio●s
           in
           the
           Remonstrance
           doth
           )
           in
           a
           di●ect
           ,
           evident
           ,
           and
           obvious
           manner
           against
           the
           expresse
           Will
           and
           Word
           of
           God
           .
           I
           pray
           you
           now
           also
           seriously
           to
           consider
           of
           those
           Petitions
           in
           the
           Remonstrance
           ,
           and
           compare
           them
           together
           ,
           with
           thes●
           Propositions
           for
           Peace
           ,
           and
           the
           other
           passages
           of
           both
           or
           either
           House
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           and
           then
           tell
           mee
           what
           the
           Remonstrants
           in
           those
           three
           (
           so
           much
           by
           you
           condemned
           )
           Petitions
           ,
           for
           the
           substance
           of
           them
           ,
           did
           more
           desire
           of
           the
           Parliament
           ,
           then
           both
           Houses
           of
           Parliament
           have
           now
           proposed
           to
           the
           King
           ,
           or
           hath
           been
           formerly
           by
           them
           in
           these
           passages
           of
           both
           or
           either
           House
           of
           Parliament
           declared
           to
           the
           world
           .
        
         
           
             The●
             you
             say
             ,
          
           Presbyteriall
           government
           is
           not
           in
           the
           Covenant
           ,
           there●●re
           a●
           〈◊〉
           ,
           and
           this
           
             (
             say
             you
             )
          
           you
           inforce
           upon
           others
           ,
           though
           you
           will
           receive
           no
           forc●d
           con●●ruction
           of
           the
           same
           your selves
           .
        
         
         
           Answ.
           
             Where
             did
             the
             Remonstrants
             say
             that
             Presbyteriall
             government
             was
             in
             the
             Covenant
             ?
             and
             if
             they
             never
             said
             it
             ,
             as
             they
             never
             did
             ,
             why
             doe
             you
             here
             bring
             it
             in
             as
             if
             they
             had
             said
             it
             ▪
             I
             hope
             that
             at
             last
             you
             will
             learne
             to
             forbeare
             falsifying
             .
             It
             is
             true
             ,
             that
             in
             page
             2
             of
             the
             Remonstrance
             ,
             they
             speake
             of
             Ordinance●
             for
             Presbyteriall
             government
             ;
             and
             I
             thinke
             you
             will
             not
             deny
             but
             there
             are
             such
             ,
             if
             you
             doe
             ,
             I
             will
             produce
             them
             ;
             but
             though
             Presbyteriall
             government
             be
             not
             nominally
             ,
             and
          
           in
           v●●bis
           
             in
             the
             Covenant
             ,
             yet
             I
             hope
             without
             offence
             ,
             it
             may
             be
             said
             that
             it
             is
             concord●ble
             to
             the
             Covenant
             ,
             as
             being
             nearest
             to
             that
             government
             which
             the
             best
             reformed
             Churches
             doe
             practise
             ,
             and
             that
             by
             our
             Covenant
             we
             are
             bound
             to
             endeavour
             the
             settlement
             of
             .
             And
             that
             progresse
             which
             both
             Houses
             of
             Parliament
             have
             already
             made
             ,
             in
             ,
             and
             towards
             the
             settlement
             of
             Presbyteriall
             government
             ,
             they
             have
             done
             it
             in
             pursuance
             of
             the
             said
             Covenant
             ,
             as
             by
             their
             owne
             words
             in
             the
             Ordinance
             of
             the
             14
             of
          
           March
           ,
           1645.
           
             it
             doth
             appear
             ,
          
           Viz.
           
           The
           Lords
           and
           Commons
           assembled
           in
           Parliament
           being
           very
           sensible
           of
           the
           gr●●t
           duty
           which
           lyeth
           upon
           them
           to
           settle
           matters
           〈◊〉
           ●eligion
           and
           the
           worship
           of
           Almighty
           God
           ;
           and
           having
           continually
           before
           their
           eyes
           the
           Covenant
           ,
           which
           they
           have
           so
           solem●ly
           taken
           :
           for
           the
           performance
           thereof
           ,
           and
           the
           manifold
           motives
           and
           incouragements
           thereunto
           ,
           which
           are
           given
           them
           from
           God
           himselfe
           by
           a
           speciall
           hand
           of
           Providence
           ,
           p●wring
           forth
           daily
           mercies
           upon
           them
           ;
           In
           discharge
           of
           their
           duty
           ,
           and
           in
           purs●ance
           of
           the
           said
           Covenant
           ,
           and
           in
           thankefulnesse
           to
           God
           for
           all
           his
           Mercies
           ,
           have
           diligently
           applyed
           themselves
           to
           that
           work
           of
           his
           Ho●se
           ,
           by
           his
           grace
           and
           assistance
           they
           have
           made
           some
           progresse
           therein
           ,
           notwithstanding
           the
           exigency
           of
           other
           affaires
           ,
           accompanied
           oftenti●es
           with
           great
           and
           imminen●
           dangers
           .
           And
           notwithstanding
           the
           great
           difficulty
           of
           the
           worke
           it selfe
           in
           divers
           respects
           ,
           and
           particularly
           in
           the
           right
           jointing
           of
           what
           was
           to
           be
           setled
           with
           the
           Laws
           and
           Govern●●nt
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           the
           want
           whereof
           hath
           ●aused
           much
           trouble
           i●
           this
           and
           other
           States
           ;
           yet
           by
           the
           mercifull
           assistance
           of
           God
           ,
           having
           re●oved
           the
           booke
           of
           Common-prayer
           ,
           with
           all
           its
           unnecessary
           and
           burdensome
           Ceremonies
           ,
           and
           established
           the
           Directory
           in
           the
           ●●ome
           thereof
           ,
           and
           ●aving
           abolish●d
           the
           Prelaticall
           Hierarchy
           ,
           by
           Archbishops
           ,
           Bishops
           ,
           and
           their
           dependants
           ,
           and
           in
           stead
           thereof
           ,
           laid
           the
           foundation
           of
           a
           Presbyteriall
           Government
           in
           every
           Congregation
           ,
           with
           sub●rdin●tion
           to
           Cla●●icall
           ,
           Provinci●ll
           ,
           and
           Nationall
           Assemblies
           ,
           and
           of
           t●e●
           all
           to
           t●e
           Parliament
           .
        
         
         
           Why
           doe
           you
           also
           wrong
           the
           Remonstrants
           ,
           in
           saying
           ,
           
             They
             force
             Presbyteriall
             government
             upon
             others
             ?
          
           doe
           they
           any
           other
           thing
           then
           Petition
           the
           Parliament
           to
           settle
           that
           government
           which
           in
           the
           words
           of
           this
           Ordinance
           both
           the
           
             Lords
             and
             Commons
          
           do
           say
           ,
           
             that
             in
             discharge
             of
             their
             duty
             ,
             and
             in
             p●rs●ance
             of
             the
             said
             Covenant
             ,
             they
             have
             laid
             the
             foundation
          
           already
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           of
           a
           Presbyteriall
           government
           .
        
         
           You
           have
           yet
           one
           parallel
           more
           :
        
         
           
             
               
                 WORD
                 OF
                 GOD
                 .
              
               
                 ●●ITY
                 REMONSTRANCE
                 .
              
            
             
               
                 
                   D●ut.
                   19.
                   15.
                   
                
                 At
                 the
                 mouth
                 of
                 two
                 or
                 three
                 witnesses
                 shall
                 every
                 thing
                 be
                 established
                 .
              
               
                 
                   That
                   Quarterman
                   may
                   be
                   brought
                   to
                   some
                   exemplary
                   punishment
                   for
                   the
                   affront
                   done
                   by
                   him
                   ,
                   &c.
                   
                   And
                   then
                   you
                   say
                   ,
                
                 Though
                 no
                 such
                 thing
                 was
                 ever
                 proved
                 by
                 one
                 witnesse
                 or
                 testimony
                 ,
                 that
                 what
                 hee
                 did
                 was
                 any
                 aff●on●
                 done
                 to
                 the
                 Priviledges
                 and
                 Government
                 of
                 the
                 City
                 ▪
                 Hang
                 him
                 ,
                 hang
                 him
                 ,
                 what
                 hath
                 ●e
                 done
                 ?
              
            
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           You
           deny
           not
           the
           act
           of
           
             Quarterman
          
           presume
           it
           is
           not
           that
           which
           you
           say
           was
           never
           proved
           by
           one
           witnesse
           or
           testimony
           ,
           for
           the
           act
           was
           done
           at
           high
           Exchange
           time
           ,
           within
           the
           sight
           and
           hearing
           of
           many
           hund●eds
           ;
           but
           I
           conceive
           your
           meaning
           (
           for
           you
           doe
           not
           expresse
           it
           ,
           and
           therefore
           I
           can
           but
           guesse
           at
           it
           )
           is
           ,
           that
           the
           act
           in
           entring
           the
           City
           ,
           and
           making
           proclamation
           therein
           with
           sound
           of
           Trumpet
           ;
           without
           acquainting
           the
           Lord
           Major
           therewith
           ,
           was
           not
           proved
           by
           one
           witnesse
           or
           ●estimony
           to
           be
           any
           affront
           done
           to
           the
           Priviledges
           or
           Government
           of
           the
           City
           ,
           there
           never
           was
           any
           the
           least
           exception
           taken
           against
           the
           Order
           to
           proclaime
           ,
           nor
           against
           the
           matter
           proclaimed
           ,
           nor
           the
           time
           when
           ,
           nor
           the
           place
           where
           the
           Proclamation
           was
           made
           ;
           if
           according
           to
           the
           constant
           and
           uninterrupted
           course
           of
           transacting
           things
           of
           that
           nature
           ,
           the
           
             Lord
             Major
             ,
          
           who
           is
           the
           chiefe
           Magistrate
           of
           the
           City
           had
           but
           been
           acquainted
           with
           it
           .
           Now
           I
           appeale
           to
           the
           Reader
           ,
           whether
           such
           an
           act
           done
           in
           such
           a
           manner
           in
           the
           sight
           and
           hearing
           of
           many
           hundreds
           ,
           without
           acquainting
           the
           
             Lord
             Major
          
           therewith
           ,
           be
           not
           an
           affront
           done
           to
           the
           priviledges
           and
           government
           of
           the
           City
           .
        
         
           
             In
             page
             14.
             you
             tell
             the
             Reader
             ,
             that
          
           I
           except
           against
           the
           replyer
           ,
           
           for
           saying
           ,
           The
           Parliament
           hath
           promised
           in
           severall
           Declarations
           a
           gratious
           respect
           to
           tender
           Consciences
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           In
           page
           9
           of
           my
           Vindication
           ,
           I
           cited
           out
           of
           the
           Replyer
           ,
           page
           2
           ,
           these
           following
           words
           ,
           
             viz.
             That
             it
             is
             notoriously
             known
             that
             the
             Parliament
             did
             promise
             in
             severall
             declarations
             ,
             a
             gracious
             respect
             to
             tender
             Consciences
             .
          
           I
           did
           not
           except
           against
           him
           for
           so
           saying
           ,
           but
           I
           told
           him
           then
           ,
           and
           I
           tell
           you
           now
           ,
           that
           I
           will
           not
           say
           that
           this
           is
           false
           ,
           left
           I
           should
           fall
           into
           that
           sin
           ,
           which
           I
           am
           forced
           so
           frequently
           to
           reprove
           you
           for
           ;
           but
           〈…〉
           bee
           any
           such
           promises
           in
           former
           Declarations
           which
           I
           yet
           remember
           not
           ,
           as
           I
           then
           said
           to
           him
           ,
           so
           I
           now
           say
           to
           you
           ,
           you
           should
           have
           done
           well
           to
           have
           expressed
           the
           date
           of
           those
           Declarations
           ,
           and
           the
           words
           of
           the
           promises
           ,
           that
           so
           the
           Reader
           might
           see
           ,
           that
           at
           least
           in
           something
           you
           ,
           I
           say
           you
           ,
           as
           well
           as
           the
           Replyer
           ,
           desire
           to
           deale
           fairly
           with
           them
           ,
           for
           the
           Remonstrants
           they
           still
           laid
           a
           fair
           Copy
           before
           you
           in
           the
           Remonstrance
           ,
           so
           to
           have
           writ
           after
           them
           .
        
         
           
             And
             now
             without
             shewing
             any
             one
             Declaration
             more
             then
             the
             Replyer
             did
             ,
             you
             goe
             on
             and
             say
             ,
          
           It
           seems
           you
           are
           willing
           to
           hide
           your
           eyes
           from
           such
           observations
           in
           the
           Parliaments
           Declarations
           ,
           as
           though
           this
           were
           an
           abòminatio●●
           to
           you
           ,
           that
           they
           should
           ●a●e
           any
           respect
           to
           ten●er
           consciences
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           never
           knew
           before
           ,
           that
           a
           desire
           to
           know
           the
           dates
           of
           the
           Parliaments
           severall
           Declarations
           ,
           and
           to
           see
           the
           words
           of
           the
           promises
           which
           they
           therein
           make
           ,
           of
           a
           gracious
           respect
           to
           tender
           consciences
           ,
           which
           the
           Replyer
           saith
           ,
           is
           so
           notoriously
           knowne
           ,
           (
           and
           which
           I
           must
           confesse
           as
           then
           ,
           so
           now
           ,
           I
           remember
           not
           ,
           )
           had
           been
           a
           manifestation
           of
           a
           mans
           willingnesse
           to
           hide
           his
           eyes
           from
           such
           observations
           in
           the
           Parliaments
           Declarations
           .
           And
           it
           is
           so
           farre
           from
           being
           an
           abomination
           to
           me
           ,
           that
           the
           Parliament
           should
           have
           any
           respect
           to
           tender
           Consciences
           ,
           that
           I
           shall
           much
           rejoice
           both
           in
           the
           beholding
           of
           any
           true
           tendernesse
           of
           conscience
           in
           any
           man
           ,
           and
           at
           all
           due
           respect
           which
           the
           Parliament
           shall
           shew
           unto
           them
           .
        
         
           Yet
           can
           I
           not
           conceive
           that
           Heretiques
           that
           deny
           there
           is
           a
           God
           ,
           or
           that
           the
           Scriptures
           are
           the
           Word
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           that
           they
           are
           no
           more
           to
           bee
           beleeved
           then
           the
           Stories
           of
           
             Henry
          
           the
           8th
           '
           ,
           &c.
           or
           Blasphemers
           ,
           which
           call
           the
           Trinity
           of
           Persons
           in
           the
           Unity
           of
           Essence
           ,
           a
           three
           headed
           
             Cerberus
             ,
             &c.
          
           that
           these
           ,
           and
           such
           as
           
           these
           ,
           can
           properly
           be
           brought
           in
           under
           the
           notion
           of
           tender
           consciences
           .
        
         
           But
           th●n
           you
           aske
           me
           if
           
             I
             have
             forgotten
             the
             l●st
             Declaration
             of
             the
             17
             of
          
           Aprill
           ,
           1646
           ,
           
             Answ.
             
          
           You
           know
           tha●
           neither
           the
           Remonstrants
           ,
           no●
           yet
           my self
           have
           forgotten
           that
           Declaration
           ,
           for
           it
           is
           by
           the
           Remonstrants
           in
           their
           second
           page
           ,
           cited
           as
           a
           Noble
           resolution
           of
           this
           Honourable
           House
           for
           the
           due
           observation
           of
           the
           Covenant
           :
           and
           their
           expectation
           of
           the
           conformity
           of
           the
           people
           of
           
             England
          
           thereunto
           〈◊〉
           in
           that
           Declaration
           ,
           and
           it
           is
           by
           〈◊〉
           in
           the
           tenth
           page
           〈◊〉
           my
           Vindication
           quoted
           as
           a
           justification
           of
           the
           Remonstrants
           (
           who
           to
           answer
           the
           expectation
           of
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           manifested
           in
           that
           Declaration
           in
           these
           words
           ,
           
             viz.
             Wee
             do●
             expect
             that
             the
             people
             of
          
           England
           ,
           
             should
             not
             receive
             impressi●●s
             of
             any
             forced
             co●struction
             of
             that
             Cov●nant
             )
          
           doe
           professe
           that
           they
           doe
           resolve
           by
           the
           grace
           of
           God
           not
           to
           receive
           impressions
           of
           any
           forced
           construction
           thereof
           .
           But
           what
           is
           this
           one
           Declaration
           to
           that
           the
           Replyer
           saith
           ,
           
             that
             it
             is
             notoriously
             known
             that
             the
             Parliament
             did
             promise
             a
             gracious
             respect
             to
             tender
             Conscience●
             in
             many
             severall
             De●larations
             ,
          
           or
           what
           i●
           it
           to
           that
           which
           you
           doe
           say
           ,
           
             viz.
             Wer●
             I
             as
             well
             furnished
             with
             Books
             as
             your selfe
             ,
             doubtlesse
             I
             cou●d
             shew
             you
             s●verall
             other
             D●clarations
             ,
             where
             they
             promise
             a
             Christian
             respect
             to
             tender
             C●ns●iences
             .
          
        
         
           
             Then
             you
             goe
             on
             and
             say
             ,
          
           I
           am
           so●ry
           
             Mr.
             Bellamie
             ,
          
           you
           sh●uld
           bee
           so
           apt
           now
           adayes
           to
           cast
           out
           of
           your
           memorie
           the
           praise
           ▪
           ●orthy
           Acts
           ●f
           the
           Parliament
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           le
           say
           no
           more
           in
           〈…〉
           Replyer
           or
           your selfe
           ,
           but
           that
           I
           would
           desire
           you
           not
           to
           take
           it
           〈◊〉
           ,
           because
           I
           remember
           not
           that
           which
           yet
           〈…〉
           so
           notoriously
           known
           ,
           and
           that
           which
           you
           say
           ,
           were
           I
           well
           furnished
           with
           bookes
           ,
           doubtlesse
           I
           could
           shew
           〈…〉
           is
           whil●
           neither
           hee
           ,
           nor
           you
           ,
           can
           ,
           or
           at
           〈…〉
           instance
           of
           any
           other
           〈…〉
           in●reat
           you
           at
           present
           to
           fo●beare
           your
           sorrow
           ,
           and
           for
           aftertimes
           not
           to
           be
           so
           censori●us
           as
           to
           charge
           me
           to
           be
           so
           apt
           now
           a
           dayes
           〈…〉
           Parliament
           ;
           〈…〉
           I
           shall
           be
           as
           ready
           to
           〈…〉
           without
           any
           ground
           charges
           mee
           to
           be
           so
           apt
           now
           a
           dayes
           to
           cast
           them
           out
           of
           my
           memory
           .
        
         
         
           
             In
             your
             16
             page
             you
             thus
             goe
             on
             ,
             speaking
             to
             me
             ,
          
           viz.
           In
           the
           next
           place
           you
           begin
           with
           an
           interrogation
           ,
           as
           if
           you
           had
           gotten
           a
           Com●ission
           to
           ins●'t
           ;
           thus
           ;
           
             What
             ?
          
           is
           Londons
           care
           to
           keep
           the
           Covenant
           ▪
           now
           become
           Lond●ns
           ruine
           ,
           &c.
           
           Doubtlesse
           these
           are
           Doctrines
           of
           a
           new
           date
           ,
           and
           neare
           a
           kin
           to
           those
           new
           Lights
           ,
           which
           so
           many
           now
           ad●yes
           d●e
           so
           much
           bo●st
           of
           .
           
             And
             th●n
             you
             say
             ,
          
           Whither
           now
           Mr.
           
             Bellamy
             ?
          
           I
           professe
           my
           ●eart
           akes
           ,
           and
           my
           hand
           trembles
           ,
           shall
           I
           write
           ,
           or
           shall
           I
           forbeare
           ?
           I
           passed
           by
           your
           sc●ffing
           at
           new
           Lights
           once
           b●fore
           at
           
             pag.
             10.
          
           and
           tooke
           no
           notice
           of
           it
           ;
           but
           I
           meet
           with
           it
           againe
           ,
           yea
           ,
           with
           an
           additionall
           scoffe
           ,
           Doctrines
           of
           a
           new
           d●te
           ,
           and
           new
           Lights
           ,
           &c.
           
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           When
           I
           resolved
           to
           indevour
           the
           Vindication
           of
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           ,
           I
           resolved
           with
           my selfe
           ,
           that
           I
           should
           mee●
           with
           oppositions
           ,
           and
           therefore
           desired
           so
           to
           carry
           on
           the
           worke●
           as
           not
           willingly
           to
           let
           a
           phrase
           fall
           from
           me
           ,
           that
           might
           justly
           give
           any
           cause
           of
           offence
           ,
           and
           to
           that
           end
           ,
           my
           care
           was
           to
           weigh
           words
           as
           well
           as
           matter
           ,
           well
           knowing
           that
           sweet
           and
           pleasing
           langu●ge
           ,
           with
           solid
           reason
           and
           st●ong
           a●guments
           ,
           best
           conduce
           to
           the
           carrying
           on
           of
           a
           controversie
           .
        
         
           
             I
             confesse
             ,
             that
             as
             in
          
           p.
           10.
           
             so
             here
             ,
             I
             use
             the
             word
             new
             Lights
             ,
             and
             Doct●ines
             of
             a
             new
             date
             ,
             but
             whether
             in
             the
             least
             appearance
             as
             a
             scoffe
             or
             a
             jeere
             ,
             I
             freely
             leave
             to
             the
             Reader
             both
             to
             examine
             and
             censure
             ;
             for
             as
             scoffing
             and
             jeering
             are
             farre
             from
             my
             disposition
             ,
             so
             I
             can
             safely
             say
             ,
             they
             were
             as
             farre
             in
             this
             from
             my
             intention
             .
             I
             desire
             the
             Reader
             to
             take
             a
             survey
             of
             the
             passages
             immediately
             preceding
             these
             expressions
             ,
             as
             they
             are
             transcribed
             out
             of
             the
             Moderate
             Reply
             ,
             and
             judge
             whether
             I
             had
             not
             just
             cause
             to
             speake
             what
             ever
             is
             there
             spoken
             ;
             the
             expressions
             are
             these
             ,
          
           viz.
           That
           the
           Remonstrants
           doe
           discourage
           the
           Parliament
           ,
           and
           that
           they
           presse
           them
           in
           all
           haste
           ,
           unto
           a
           sudden
           enfeebling
           of
           their
           strength
           ,
           by
           crushing
           a
           considerable
           party
           of
           as
           cordiall
           friends
           as
           ever
           they
           had
           since
           the
           W●rs
           began
           .
           
             And
             that
             ,
          
           because
           they
           will
           not
           sweare
           a
           submission
           unto
           that
           Church-government
           ,
           whic●
           
             (
             say
             you
             )
          
           neither
           they
           ,
           nor
           your selves
           ye●
           understand
           ,
           and
           to
           make
           so
           ill
           a
           requitall
           of
           their
           Winters
           w●rke
           .
           
             And
             then
             againe
             ,
          
           Shall
           the
           whole
           Kingdome
           ,
           that
           was
           almost
           re●dy
           〈◊〉
           all
           its
           Quarters
           to
           congratulate
           with
           
             London
          
           for
           all
           its
           love
           ,
           now
           throw
           by
           these
           thoughts
           ,
           and
           with
           sad
           ●earts
           ,
           and
           pale
           faces
           ,
           t●ll
           their
           wives
           and
           children
           ,
           friends
           ,
           and
           neighbours
           ,
           W●e
           and
           alasse
           
             London
          
           will
           ruine
           〈◊〉
           ,
           
             London
          
           begins
           to
           decline
           the
           Parliament
           ,
           
             London
          
           begins
           to
           clos●
           
           with
           the
           King
           ,
           
             London
          
           is
           fill'd
           with
           Malignant
           language
           ,
           
             London
          
           remonstrates
           to
           the
           Parliaments
           prejudice
           ,
           
             Londons
          
           City
           is
           
             Englands
          
           woe
           .
        
         
           Now
           I
           pray
           consider
           whether
           these
           so
           many
           ,
           so
           foule
           ,
           and
           yet
           withall
           so
           false
           charges
           shall
           bee
           laid
           against
           
             London
             ,
          
           and
           that
           for
           their
           performance
           of
           what
           by
           Covenant
           they
           are
           sworne
           unto
           ,
           doth
           not
           justly
           occasion
           these
           interrogations
           ;
           and
           let
           the
           Reader
           judge
           whether
           my
           using
           of
           them
           gave
           you
           any
           cause
           to
           say
           ,
           that
           I
           begin
           with
           them
           ,
           as
           if
           I
           had
           a
           Commission
           to
           insult
           ,
           and
           whether
           from
           these
           ,
           and
           my
           calling
           them
           Doctrines
           of
           a
           new
           date
           ,
           wch
           ▪
           whether
           they
           be
           so
           or
           no
           ,
           the
           Reader
           will
           easily
           discerne
           .
           And
           my
           saying
           that
           they
           are
           neare
           akin
           to
           those
           new
           Lights
           which
           so
           many
           now
           adayes
           doe
           so
           much
           boast
           of
           ;
           which
           I
           therefore
           did
           ,
           because
           they
           which
           doe
           now
           adayes
           so
           much
           boast
           of
           their
           new
           Lights
           ,
           are
           the
           persons
           which
           doe
           thus
           calumniate
           
             London
          
           for
           this
           their
           Remonstrance
           ,
           and
           are
           the
           prime
           men
           which
           vilifie
           the
           Covenant
           ,
           as
           in
           sundry
           particular
           instances
           in
           my
           Vindication
           I
           made
           it
           good
           .
           I
           say
           ,
           pray
           consider
           ,
           and
           let
           the
           Reader
           judge
           whether
           all
           or
           any
           of
           these
           things
           gave
           you
           any
           just
           occasion
           thus
           to
           rake
           up
           ,
           as
           you
           have
           done
           ,
           reports
           against
           mee
           ,
           whether
           true
           or
           false
           ,
           and
           to
           publish
           them
           to
           the
           whole
           World
           ,
           as
           in
           your
           1617
           ,
           18
           ,
           19
           ,
           20
           ,
           &
           21
           pages
           of
           your
           Book
           ,
           and
           so
           almost
           al
           along
           to
           the
           end
           you
           have
           thus
           done
           ,
           leaving
           the
           argument
           in
           difference
           between
           us
           ,
           and
           falling
           upon
           some
           personall
           things
           ,
           which
           you
           say
           have
           been
           reported
           to
           you
           concerning
           my
           carriage
           in
           matters
           of
           Religion
           :
           I
           le
           come
           to
           the
           particulars
           ;
           first
           ,
           you
           tell
           the
           Reader
           the
           place
           of
           my
           birth
           ,
           and
           that
           
             I
             was
             borne
             a
             Son
             of
             the
             Church
             of
          
           England
           
             under
             Episcopacy
             :
          
           Truly
           ,
           if
           this
           bee
           a
           fault
           or
           e●rour
           ,
           I
           conceive
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           will
           not
           deny
           himselfe
           to
           bee
           guilty
           of
           the
           same
           crime
           .
           Then
           you
           come
           to
           the
           manner
           of
           my
           breeding
           ,
           the
           time
           of
           my
           comming
           to
           
             London
             ,
          
           and
           my
           being
           bound
           an
           Apprentice
           to
           Mr.
           
             Nicholas
             Bourne
             ,
             Citizen
             and
             Stationer
             of
             London
             :
          
           and
           you
           tell
           the
           Reader
           how
           my
           carriage
           was
           for
           the
           time
           of
           my
           Apprentiship
           ,
           which
           you
           are
           pleased
           thus
           to
           expresse
           ,
           
             Exercising
             such
             strictnesse
             and
             exactnesse
             in
             keeping
             and
             preserving
             that
             rich
             jewell
             of
             a
             quiet
             and
             tender
             conscience
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           What
           is
           this
           either
           to
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           ,
           or
           to
           my
           Vindication
           thereof
           ?
           these
           are
           the
           things
           now
           in
           debate
           between
           
           you
           and
           mee
           ;
           but
           your
           thus
           elevating
           mee
           up
           in
           praises
           i●
           this
           ,
           and
           some
           such
           other
           passages
           in
           your
           Book
           ,
           is
           only
           to
           cast
           me
           downe
           with
           the
           greater
           violence
           ,
           so
           farr●
           as
           you
           can
           ,
           to
           my
           defamation
           and
           destruction
           ;
           but
           I
           pray
           consider
           (
           ●nd
           l●t
           your
           owne
           heart
           bee
           y●ur
           owne
           Iudge
           ,
           for
           I
           will
           not
           accuse
           you
           )
           whether
           your
           dealing
           with
           me
           in
           this
           ,
           be
           not
           just
           like
           the
           Devils
           with
           our
           Saviour
           Christ
           ,
           
             Matth.
          
           4
           5
           ,
           6.
           who
           tooke
           him
           up
           to
           the
           Pinnacle
           of
           the
           Temple
           ,
           that
           so
           ,
           if
           it
           were
           possible
           ,
           hee
           might
           breake
           his
           neck
           by
           throwing
           him
           down
           to
           the
           ground
           .
        
         
           
             But
             say
             you
             ,
             my
             tendernesse
             of
             conscience
             appeared
             ,
          
           In
           that
           I
           would
           not
           personally
           sell
           such
           Bookes
           (
           as
           Prayer
           books
           )
           which
           were
           ordinarily
           sold
           by
           other
           Stationers
           ,
           and
           in
           my
           Masters
           Shop
           .
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           you
           and
           the
           Reader
           shall
           both
           see
           by
           this
           first
           particular
           ,
           what
           credit
           either
           you
           are
           to
           give
           to
           the
           reports
           you
           have
           heard
           of
           me
           ,
           for
           there
           is
           not
           any
           one
           thing
           that
           you
           deliver
           upon
           your
           knowledge
           ,
           but
           all
           upon
           heare-say
           ;
           and
           you
           know
           the
           old
           Proverb●
           ,
           
             Fam●est
             mendax
             ,
          
           or
           what
           little
           regard
           is
           to
           bee
           had
           to
           what
           you
           all
           along
           in
           this
           ,
           and
           in
           other
           particulars
           have
           written
           of
           mee
           ;
           For
           as
           you
           have
           delivered
           them
           ,
           I
           solemnly
           professe
           ,
           that
           to
           the
           best
           of
           my
           knowledge
           and
           remembrance
           there
           is
           not
           one
           of
           them
           true
           .
           I
           confesse
           that
           neither
           my selfe
           ,
           nor
           any
           of
           my
           fellow
           Servants
           did
           sell
           any
           Play-books
           ,
           or
           other
           books
           in
           that
           nature
           ;
           and
           our
           not
           selling
           these
           ,
           was
           by
           my
           Masters
           owne
           order
           and
           direction
           ,
           and
           that
           upon
           such
           good
           grounds
           ,
           as
           I
           know
           you
           neither
           will
           ,
           nor
           can
           question
           .
           But
           for
           the
           particular
           which
           you
           instance
           in
           ,
           
             viz.
             Prayer-books
             ,
          
           there
           is
           but
           one
           man
           living
           that
           I
           know
           of
           ,
           that
           can
           testifie
           any
           thing
           upon
           knowledge
           concerning
           my
           practise
           in
           this
           particular
           ,
           and
           that
           is
           my
           Master
           
             Mr.
             Nicholas
             Bourne
             ,
          
           who
           was
           concerned
           in
           it
           ,
           and
           therefore
           his
           testimony
           is
           the
           more
           considerable
           :
           I
           le
           give
           it
           you
           in
           ,
           as
           an
           answer
           to
           what
           in
           this
           you
           have
           Printed
           upon
           the
           Credit
           of
           your
           reporters
           ,
           and
           that
           in
           his
           own
           words
           written
           to
           mee
           in
           a
           Letter
           upon
           the
           sight
           of
           this
           passage
           in
           your
           Book
           ;
           it
           thus
           follows
           :
        
         
           
             
               This
               24.
               of
               Iuly
               ,
               1646.
               
            
             
               
                 Mr.
                 Bellamie
                 ,
              
            
             
               This
               day
               there
               came
               to
               my
               hands
               ,
               a
               Booke
               called
               the
               City
               Remonstrance
               Remonstrated
               ,
               where
               in
               
                 pag.
                 1●
                 .
              
               I
               find
               you
               are
               accused
               ,
               that
               when
               you
               
               were
               my
               S●rvant
               you
               would
               not
               sell
               Prayer-books
               :
               To
               which
               I
               answer
               ,
               to
               prove
               the
               contrary
               ,
               that
               I
               know
               you
               nev●r
               refused
               to
               sell
               any
               Prayer-books
               ;
               and
               that
               I
               printed
               a
               Prayer-book
               ,
               called
               
                 The
                 Supplications
                 of
                 Saints
                 ,
              
               of
               which
               I
               doe
               beleeve
               you
               sold
               some
               hundreds
               :
               And
               this
               I
               test●fie
               under
               my
               Hand
               the
               day
               and
               year●
               above
               written
               .
            
             
               
                 P●r
                 me
                 Nicholas
                 Bourne
                 .
              
            
          
        
         
           
             The
             next
             thing
             you
             fall
             upon
             ,
             thinking
             thereby
             to
             defame
             me
             ,
             is
             ,
          
           That
           after
           I
           set
           up
           Shop
           for
           my selfe
           ,
           the
           businesse
           of
           Infants
           B●ptisme
           grew
           into
           deb●te
           ;
           and
           
             (
             say
             you
             )
          
           I
           then
           fell
           into
           the
           Opinion
           of
           the
           An●baptists
           ,
           &c.
           
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           I
           am
           sorry
           you
           should
           so
           easily
           entertain
           reports
           without
           ground
           ,
           and
           so
           freely
           publish
           them
           to
           the
           World
           ,
           knowing
           nothing
           of
           them
           ;
           hee
           that
           told
           you
           this
           ,
           if
           hee
           knew
           what
           it
           was
           hee
           said
           unto
           you
           ,
           knows
           ,
           that
           as
           unto
           the
           point
           of
           time
           hee
           told
           you
           an
           untruth
           .
           I
           confesse
           ,
           that
           many
           years
           before
           this
           ,
           even
           when
           I
           was
           not
           above
           17
           yeares
           of
           age
           ,
           I
           did
           upon
           some
           s●ruples
           put
           into
           me
           by
           an
           Anabaptist
           ,
           entertaine
           their
           opinion
           ,
           but
           I
           blesse
           God
           ,
           it
           was
           not
           above
           a
           moneths
           time
           before
           the
           Lord
           discovered
           my
           error
           to
           mee
           .
           It
           is
           now
           above
           30
           yeares
           since
           ,
           and
           must
           this
           be
           raked
           up
           afresh
           by
           you
           ,
           and
           throwne
           in
           my
           face
           to
           blemish
           what
           you
           can
           that
           which
           I
           have
           written
           in
           defence
           of
           the
           Remonstrance
           ?
           Is
           this
           a
           carriage
           becomming
           a
           sober
           Christian
           ?
           one
           ●olid
           argument
           ,
           or
           good
           reason
           ,
           if
           you
           had
           them
           to
           give
           ,
           against
           the
           Remonstrance
           or
           its
           Vindication
           ,
           would
           with
           wise
           men
           bee
           more
           regarded
           ,
           then
           twenty
           such
           uselesse
           or
           vaine
           reports
           .
        
         
           Then
           you
           tell
           the
           Reader
           
             of
             my
             applying
             my self
             to
             a
             separate
             Coxgregation
             ,
          
           and
           of
           my
           continuance
           with
           them
           ,
           and
           the
           manner
           of
           departing
           from
           them
           ;
           and
           all
           this
           you
           affirme
           ,
           it
           seems
           ,
           as
           upon
           your
           owne
           knowledge
           ,
           for
           you
           doe
           not
           in
           all
           this
           say
           as
           in
           others
           things
           ,
           it
           is
           reported
           so
           ,
           but
           positively
           affirme
           the
           particulars
           to
           be
           so
           .
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           I
           am
           sure
           you
           know
           nothing
           more
           ,
           nor
           lesse
           ,
           of
           all
           that
           in
           this
           you
           have
           written
           ,
           for
           the
           time
           you
           relate
           to
           ,
           was
           neare
           twenty
           yeares
           before
           you
           and
           I
           ever
           saw
           the
           faces
           one
           of
           another
           ,
           but
           to
           shew
           you
           your
           mistake
           ,
           and
           to
           let
           it
           appeare
           how
           you
           are
           abused
           in
           receiving
           ,
           and
           have
           abused
           mee
           in
           divulging
           of
           
           of
           th●se
           things
           ,
           I
           le
           give
           you
           and
           the
           world
           ,
           (
           being
           as
           it
           wer●
           thus
           by
           you
           called
           thereunto
           )
           a
           true
           account
           of
           them
           ,
           It
           's
           true
           ,
           I
           did
           above
           thirty
           yeares
           since
           apply
           my self
           to
           that
           Congregation
           ,
           whereof
           Mr.
           
             Iacob
          
           was
           then
           Pastor
           ,
           with
           whom
           I
           continued
           in
           Communion
           all
           the
           time
           he
           continued
           in
           this
           Kingdome
           ,
           and
           some
           yeares
           after
           :
           but
           that
           this
           was
           then
           as
           you
           affirme
           
             a
             Separate
             Congregation
             ,
          
           I
           deny
           ,
           and
           son
           proof
           of
           what
           I
           say
           ,
           I
           appeale
           to
           the
           confession
           of
           the
           faith
           of
           the
           said
           Congregation
           published
           in
           print
           ,
           in
           
             Anno
          
           1616.
           
           Which
           was
           a
           little
           after
           the
           time
           applying
           my self
           ,
           as
           you
           call
           it
           unto
           them
           ,
           in
           which
           it
           doth
           appeare
           that
           Separation
           was
           then
           witnessed
           against
           by
           that
           Congregation
           ,
           and
           the
           judgement
           of
           that
           Congregation
           then
           was
           that
           the
           pub●ique
           Congregations
           in
           this
           Kingdom
           ,
           was
           the
           true
           Churches
           of
           Christ
           ,
           the
           Ministery
           thereof
           as
           received
           by
           the
           people
           ,
           a
           true
           Ministery
           ,
           the
           Ordinances
           there
           administred
           ,
           both
           of
           Baptisme
           ,
           the
           Lords
           Supper
           ,
           &c.
           the
           true
           Ordinances
           of
           Jesus
           Christ
           ,
           and
           that
           wee
           not
           onely
           might
           ,
           but
           in
           some
           respect
           ought
           to
           joyn
           in
           Communion
           with
           the
           said
           publique
           Congregations
           in
           the
           said
           Ordinances
           ,
           and
           that
           not
           so
           to
           doe
           was
           our
           sinne
           .
           I
           le
           give
           it
           you
           for
           your
           present
           satisfaction
           in
           the
           very
           words
           of
           the
           printed
           confession
           of
           the
           Faith
           of
           that
           Congregation
           ,
           Article
           the
           eleventh
           ,
           the
           latter
           end
           of
           it
           ,
           thus
           it
           is
           .
           
             It
             being
             no
             evill
             ,
             nor
             any
             appearance
             of
             evill
             ,
             justly
             in
             us
             to
             joyne
             to
             the
             Parish-Congregation
             and
             Ministery
             in
             such
             respect
             ,
             and
             so
             far
             fort●
             on●ly
             〈◊〉
             is
             aforesaid
             ,
             wee
             ought
             ,
             (
             as
             wee
             bel●eve
             )
             sometime
             on
             w●ight●
             occasion
             so
             to
             joyne
             ,
             and
             wee
             sinne
             if
             wee
             doe
             not
             .
          
           This
           printed
           confession
           of
           Faith
           I
           have
           by
           mee
           ,
           and
           am
           very
           ready
           for
           the
           cleare
           and
           full
           confirmation
           of
           what
           in
           all
           this
           I
           write
           ,
           to
           shew
           to
           you
           ,
           or
           to
           any
           one
           that
           desires
           satisfaction
           in
           the
           truth
           of
           what
           I
           affirm
           .
        
         
           And
           as
           it
           was
           then
           the
           judgement
           of
           that
           Congregation
           ,
           so
           was
           it
           also
           then
           the
           practice
           of
           the
           members
           thereof
           .
           And
           for
           the
           proofe
           of
           this
           ,
           I
           appeale
           first
           to
           so
           many
           of
           the
           then
           members
           in
           generall
           of
           that
           Congregation
           ,
           who
           are
           now
           living
           ,
           and
           knew
           the
           Churches
           practice
           in
           this
           particular
           ,
           and
           in
           speciall
           to
           Mr.
           
           
             Sabine
             Staresmore
             ,
          
           who
           ,
           (
           I
           conceive
           ,
           and
           that
           upon
           good
           grounds
           )
           hath
           been
           one
           maine
           instrument
           by
           mis-reports
           to
           have
           thus
           misled
           you
           ,
           and
           therein
           abused
           mee
           :
           but
           if
           it
           bee
           so
           ,
           God
           give
           him
           grace
           to
           see
           his
           sin
           ,
           and
           forgive
           it
           him
           ,
           or
           whoever
           it
           was
           ;
           I
           
           trust
           ,
           my
           heart
           shall
           never
           with
           consent
           ,
           entertaine
           so
           much
           as
           the
           shadow
           of
           a
           thought
           to
           make
           the
           like
           requitall
           ;
           but
           I
           will
           study
           and
           indeavour
           ,
           and
           lay
           hold
           upon
           every
           opportunity
           which
           the
           Lord
           shall
           hold
           forth
           unto
           mee
           ,
           to
           doe
           all
           the
           good
           I
           can
           to
           him
           ,
           to
           them
           ,
           to
           you
           ,
           for
           this
           your
           evill
           done
           to
           mee
           ,
           remembring
           what
           our
           Saviour
           Christ
           hath
           taught
           mee
           ,
           
             Matth.
          
           5.
           44.
           
           
             Love
             your
             enemies
             ,
             blesse
             them
             that
             curse
             you
             ,
             doe
             good
             to
             them
             that
             hate
             you
             ,
             and
             pray
             for
             them
             which
             despitefully
             use
             you
             ,
             and
             persecute
             you
             .
          
           But
           I
           beseech
           you
           all
           seriously
           to
           consider
           ,
           that
           if
           this
           bee
           not
           persecution
           with
           the
           tongue
           ,
           then
           tell
           mee
           what
           is
           .
           And
           I
           pray
           you
           considerately
           to
           ponder
           and
           weigh
           well
           that
           of
           the
           Prophet
           
             Ieremy
          
           20.
           10.
           and
           make
           such
           use
           of
           it
           to
           your
           owne
           soules
           ,
           as
           God
           shall
           direct
           you
           to
           doe
           ;
           the
           words
           are
           these
           ,
           
             I
             heard
             the
             defaming
             of
             many
             ,
             feare
             on
             every
             sid
             ,
             report
             ,
             say
             they
             ,
             and
             wee
             will
             report
             it
             ,
             all
             my
             familiars
             watched
             for
             my
             halting
             ,
             saying
             ,
             Peradventure
             〈◊〉
             will
             bee
             enti●●d
             ,
             and
             we
             shall
             prevaile
             against
             him
             ,
             and
             we
             shall
             take
             our
             revenge
             on
             him
             .
          
           But
           my
           comfort
           and
           stay
           in
           this
           I
           trust
           s●all
           be
           the
           same
           with
           the
           Prophet
           ,
           in
           that
           ,
           manifested
           in
           the
           next
           verse
           ,
           
             But
             the
             Lord
             is
             with
             me
             as
             a
             mighty
             terrible
             one
             ,
             therefore
             my
             persecutors
             shall
             stumble
             ,
             and
             they
             shall
             not
             prevaile
             ,
             they
             shall
             bee
             greatly
             ashamed
             ,
             for
             they
             sh●ll
             not
             prosper
             .
          
        
         
           I
           fu●ther
           appeale
           for
           proofe
           of
           what
           I
           affirme
           ,
           unto
           Mr.
           
             Henry
             Roborough
             ,
          
           now
           one
           of
           the
           Scribes
           of
           the
           Assembly
           of
           Divines
           ,
           and
           Pastor
           of
           
             Leonards
             E●st
             cheape
             London
             ,
          
           whether
           hee
           hath
           not
           at
           that
           time
           observed
           that
           Mr.
           
             Jacob
             ,
             and
             other
             knowne
             members
             of
             that
             Congregation
             ,
             did
             usually
             communicate
             in
             the
             Ordin●nces
             of
             Christ
             in
             the
             publike
             Congregations
             :
          
           And
           whether
           hee
           hath
           not
           with
           his
           owne
           hands
           ,
           administred
           
             the
             Lords
             Supper
             to
             Mr.
          
           Jacob
           ,
           
             and
             other
             then
             knowne
             members
             of
             his
             Church
             .
          
           And
           that
           the
           members
           of
           this
           Congregation
           ,
           did
           then
           not
           onely
           communicate
           in
           the
           publique
           Assemblies
           in
           the
           
             Sacrament
             of
             the
             Lords
             Supper
             ,
          
           but
           also
           in
           the
           
             Sacrament
             of
             Baptisme
             ,
          
           yea
           ,
           that
           they
           did
           
             b●ptize
             their
             owne
             children
             in
             the
             publique
             Assemblies
             ;
          
           I
           appeale
           for
           the
           truth
           of
           this
           ,
           unto
           the
           testimony
           of
           so
           many
           of
           them
           as
           bee
           now
           living
           ,
           and
           remember
           the
           Churches
           practice
           in
           this
           particular
           at
           that
           time
           ,
           and
           if
           there
           bee
           none
           now
           living
           that
           can
           remember
           ,
           and
           will
           testifie
           this
           ,
           then
           in
           particular
           I
           appeale
           to
           the
           Register
           Book
           of
           
             Andrew
             Hubbard
             London
             ,
          
           whether
           upon
           the
           7
           of
           December
           ,
           1623.
           there
           
           was
           not
           then
           and
           there
           baptized
           ,
           
             Susan
             the
             daughter
             of
          
           Robert
           Lynell
           ,
           
             and
             of
          
           Susan
           
             his
             Wife
             ,
          
           both
           which
           was
           then
           Parishioners
           of
           that
           Parish
           and
           
             members
             of
             this
             C●ngregation
             ,
          
           and
           
             R●bert
             Lynell
             ●
             Deacon
             of
             the
             Church
             .
          
           I
           fu●ther
           appeal
           unto
           the
           Regi●●er-book
           of
           
             Saviours
             Southwarke
             ,
          
           whether
           upon
           the
           third
           of
           
             February
             ,
          
           1624.
           there
           was
           not
           then
           and
           there
           baptized
           ,
           
             B●rshua●
             ,
          
           the
           daughter
           of
           
             Daniel
             Ray
             ,
          
           who
           then
           was
           a
           Pa●ishioner
           of
           that
           Parish
           ,
           and
           a
           member
           of
           this
           Congregation
           .
           I
           could
           produce
           many
           others
           in
           the
           like
           kind
           ,
           but
           these
           may
           suffice
           to
           confirme
           the
           truth
           of
           what
           I
           affirme
           ,
           neither
           would
           I
           have
           printed
           this
           ,
           but
           for
           the
           witnesse
           of
           this
           truth
           ,
           
             viz.
             That
             that
             Congre●ation
             did
             then
             ho●d
             it
             not
             onely
             lawfull
             ,
             but
             of
             nec●ssity
             ,
             upon
             pain
             of
             sin
             ,
             ●e●rding
             to
             the
             Printed
             Confession
             of
             Faith
             ,
             to
             c●mmunicate
             in
             the
             publike
             Ministery
             and
             Ordin●nces
             ,
             and
             that
             both
             of
             Baptisme
             and
             the
             Lord●
             Supper
             .
          
        
         
           Neither
           do
           I
           write
           this
           in
           the
           least
           measure
           ,
           to
           reflect
           upon
           the
           present
           now
           members
           of
           that
           Congregation
           ,
           if
           in
           their
           judgments
           and
           practice
           they
           now
           walk
           otherwise
           ;
           provided
           ,
           that
           by
           the
           warrant
           of
           the
           word
           of
           
             God
          
           they
           can
           clearly
           justifie
           their
           present
           walking
           ;
           but
           I
           must
           crave
           your
           favor
           for
           my self
           stil
           to
           continue
           in
           the
           same
           judgment
           and
           practice
           I
           then
           was
           ,
           and
           which
           is
           concordable
           to
           the
           then
           Confession
           of
           the
           Faith
           of
           the
           Church
           ,
           as
           unto
           communion
           in
           the
           Parish
           Congregations
           ,
           both
           in
           the
           Ministery
           and
           Ordinances
           of
           Baptisme
           and
           the
           Lords
           Supper
           ,
           though
           you
           falsely
           charge
           me
           of
           mutation
           and
           change
           in
           so
           doing
           .
           And
           thus
           I
           hope
           I
           have
           shewed
           you
           your
           mistake
           in
           that
           you
           affirm
           ,
           I
           applyed
           my self
           to
           a
           separate
           Congregation
           .
           I
           shall
           also
           endevour
           to
           give
           you
           as
           ample
           an
           account
           of
           the
           just
           reason
           (
           as
           I
           humbly
           conceive
           )
           of
           my
           leaving
           them
           .
        
         
           Mr.
           
             Ia●ob
          
           leaving
           
             England
             ,
          
           and
           going
           to
           
             Virginia
             ,
          
           the
           Congregation
           was
           then
           for
           a
           time
           ,
           to
           the
           best
           of
           my
           remembrance
           ,
           left
           without
           a
           Pastor
           :
           and
           then
           many
           of
           the
           members
           of
           the
           said
           Congregation
           varying
           in
           their
           judgements
           from
           what
           was
           in
           the
           
             Confession
             of
             the
             Faith
             of
             the
             Church
          
           formerly
           printed
           ;
           and
           being
           now
           both
           in
           judgement
           and
           practice
           against
           
             Communion
             in
             the
             Ordinances
             of
             Christ
             in
             the
             publike
             Congregations
             ,
             which
             by
             the
             Confession
             of
             the
             Faith
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             we
             were
             bound
             upon
             pain
             of
             sin
             to
             maintain
             ,
             both
             in
             judgement
             and
             practice
             ;
          
           this
           occasioned
           many
           disputes
           ,
           and
           some
           differences
           ,
           a●
           last
           the
           point
           of
           
             Ordination
             of
             Ministers
          
           came
           
           under
           debate
           ,
           which
           was
           the
           first
           ,
           yea
           ,
           the
           onely
           occasion
           that
           Put
           a
           thought
           into
           my
           breast
           about
           my
           departing
           from
           that
           Congregation
           :
           And
           at
           that
           time
           Mr.
           
             Iohn
             Lothrop
             ,
          
           a
           learned
           ,
           holy
           ,
           humble
           ,
           and
           painfull
           Preacher
           was
           the
           Pastor
           ,
           then
           the
           Congregation
           ordered
           three
           of
           their
           members
           to
           conferre
           with
           mee
           about
           that
           difference
           ,
           I
           then
           did
           ,
           now
           doe
           ,
           and
           ever
           will
           acknowledge
           their
           great
           love
           ,
           and
           tender
           respect
           to
           mee
           in
           it
           ,
           but
           after
           ●undry
           Conferences
           ,
           and
           wee
           not
           agreeing
           ,
           I
           thought
           it
           my
           duty
           ,
           to
           signifie
           my
           mind
           in
           writing
           under
           my
           hand
           to
           the
           whole
           Congregation
           ,
           which
           I
           then
           did
           in
           these
           words
           :
        
         
           
             
               To
               his
               dearly
               beloved
               Christian
               Friends
               Mr.
               John
               Lothrop
               ,
               and
               all
               the
               rest
               of
               the
               Congregation
               with
               him
               assembled
               ,
               this
               publikely
               present
               .
            
             
               Christian
               Friends
               ,
               and
               dearly
               beloved
               in
               the
               Lord
               Jesus
               Christ
               ,
               having
               by
               the
               Congregations
               appointment
               had
               Conference
               with
               three
               of
               the
               Brethren
               ,
               about
               a
               point
               in
               controversie
               ,
               which
               wee
               cannot
               agree
               ,
               I
               thought
               it
               my
               duty
               to
               signifie
               my
               minde
               in
               writing
               to
               the
               whole
               Congregation
               ,
               which
               is
               ,
               That
               after
               many
               thoughts
               spent
               ,
               and
               some
               paines
               taken
               in
               Conference
               ,
               and
               examination
               of
               Scriptures
               ,
               and
               searching
               the
               judgements
               of
               Divines
               ,
               both
               ancient
               and
               moderne
               ,
               about
               the
               matter
               in
               controversie
               ,
               
                 viz.
                 Ordination
                 ,
              
               or
               the
               compleat
               investing
               of
               persons
               chosen
               by
               the
               free
               consent
               of
               the
               Congregation
               into
               those
               Offices
               (
               for
               Ministeriall
               imployments
               )
               unto
               which
               they
               are
               elected
               ,
               I
               conceive
               for
               the
               Reasons
               following
               ,
               this
               to
               be
               the
               truth
               ,
               
                 viz.
              
               That
               it
               ought
               to
               bee
               performed
               actually
               by
               precedent
               Church-Officers
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               Because
               that
               the
               Apostles
               in
               
                 Acts
              
               6.
               finding
               the
               Church
               to
               be
               in
               want
               of
               Officers
               ,
               gave
               them
               direction
               for
               the
               performance
               of
               what
               was
               their
               duties
               ,
               tending
               to
               the
               obtaining
               of
               the
               aforesaid
               wants
               ,
               which
               was
               to
               elect
               persons
               qualified
               according
               to
               direction
               ,
               which
               they
               ,
               
                 viz.
              
               the
               Congregation
               did
               ,
               &
               reserving
               the
               other
               of
               compleat
               stating
               them
               into
               their
               Offices
               ,
               unto
               themselves
               ,
               which
               they
               ,
               
                 viz.
              
               the
               Apostles
               effected
               :
               the
               texts
               for
               confirmation
               ,
               which
               with
               a
               single
               eye
               I
               desire
               to
               be
               considered
               of
               ,
               are
               ,
               
                 Acts
                 6.
                 v.
              
               3.
               for
               the
               precept
               injoyning
               the
               duty
               ,
               and
               
                 v.
              
               5
               ,
               and
               6.
               for
               the
               duty
               in
               obedience
               to
               the
               precept
               performed
               ,
               the
               words
               are
               ,
               
                 Chuse
                 you
                 out
                 whom
                 we
                 may
                 appoint
                 ,
              
               not
               chuse
               you
               and
               appoint
               .
            
             
             
               2.
               
               That
               which
               the
               Apostles
               reserved
               in
               this
               place
               to
               themselve●
               in
               their
               precept
               to
               the
               Congregation
               ,
               and
               accordingly
               after
               practised
               ,
               as
               in
               the
               first
               appeareth
               ,
               so
               also
               in
               other
               Congregations
               or
               Churches
               they
               did
               the
               like
               ,
               as
               
                 Acts
                 14.
                 23
                 ,
                 When
                 they
                 had
                 〈◊〉
                 them
                 Eld●rs
                 in
                 every
                 Church
                 ,
              
               they
               ,
               that
               is
               ,
               
                 Paul
              
               and
               
                 Barnabas
                 ,
              
               as
               appeareth
               
                 v.
              
               12
               ,
               14.
               
            
             
               If
               it
               bee
               objected
               ,
               that
               this
               was
               done
               by
               Officers
               extraordinary
               ,
               which
               had
               their
               Calling
               and
               Commission
               immediately
               from
               God
               ,
               and
               therefore
               is
               not
               fitly
               brought
               so
               ,
               as
               to
               require
               the
               like
               to
               bee
               done
               by
               ordinary
               Officers
               :
               I
               desire
               for
               answer
               to
               it
               ,
               this
               third
               reason
               may
               be
               con●idered
               .
            
             
               3.
               
               That
               which
               in
               this
               kind
               was
               done
               by
               the
               Apostles
               ,
               which
               I
               grant
               were
               extraordina●ily
               called
               by
               God
               ,
               and
               gifted
               accordingly
               ,
               the
               same
               was
               after
               done
               by
               them
               which
               had
               their
               ordinatio●
               by
               ordinary
               Officers
               in
               Churches
               ,
               as
               
                 Timothy
                 Titus
                 ,
              
               as
               appeareth
               ,
               1
               
                 Tim.
              
               4.
               14.
               where
               
                 Timothy
              
               was
               ordained
               by
               the
               hands
               of
               the
               Company
               of
               the
               Eldership
               ,
               and
               he
               in
               particular
               ,
               and
               not
               the
               Congregation
               in
               generall
               ,
               is
               
                 charged
                 before
                 God
                 and
                 the
                 Lord
                 Iesus
                 Christ
                 ,
                 and
                 the
                 elect
                 Angels
                 ,
                 to
                 lay
                 hands
                 suddenly
                 on
                 no
                 man
                 ,
                 1
                 Tim.
              
               5.
               21
               ,
               22.
               which
               Scripture
               ,
               with
               submission
               to
               better
               judgments
               ,
               I
               conceive
               teacheth
               these
               two
               duties
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               That
               
                 Timothy
              
               an
               ordained
               Officer
               ought
               to
               lay
               on
               hands
               in
               Ordination
               ,
               and
               not
               any
               other
               but
               Officers
               ordained
               .
            
             
               2.
               
               That
               they
               that
               doe
               Ordaine
               ,
               ought
               to
               doe
               it
               with
               advisement
               and
               great
               deliberation
               ,
               
                 not
                 preferring
                 one
                 before
                 another
                 partially
                 .
              
            
             
               And
               as
               
                 Timothy
                 ,
              
               so
               
                 Titus
                 ,
              
               as
               testifieth
               the
               Apostle
               ,
               1
               
                 Titus
                 v.
              
               5.
               
                 was
                 left
                 at
              
               Creta
               
                 to
                 ordaine
                 Elders
                 in
                 every
                 City
                 :
              
               And
               for
               my
               part
               ,
               I
               am
               ignorant
               of
               any
               one
               example
               in
               all
               the
               new
               Testament
               ,
               where
               Ordination
               was
               performed
               by
               any
               but
               Church
               Officers
               ;
               and
               for
               the
               clear
               and
               distinct
               understanding
               of
               the
               quality
               and
               difference
               of
               Church
               Officers
               extraordinary
               and
               ordinary
               ,
               that
               we
               may
               know
               which
               is
               ,
               which
               ,
               I
               desire
               that
               this
               Scripture
               may
               bee
               considered
               ,
               
                 Gal.
                 1.
                 1.
                 
                 Paul
                 an
                 Apostle
                 ,
                 not
                 of
                 men
                 ,
                 neither
                 by
                 man
                 ,
                 but
                 by
                 Iesus
                 Christ
                 ;
              
               where
               the
               Apostle
               to
               prove
               his
               Apostolicall
               ,
               or
               extraordinary
               Calling
               ,
               affirmeth
               that
               hee
               was
               not
               an
               Apostle
               of
               men
               ,
               neither
               by
               man
               ,
               for
               then
               hee
               had
               been
               but
               an
               ordinary
               Minister
               ,
               but
               by
               Jesus
               Christ
               ;
               and
               so
               as
               his
               calling
               was
               extraordinary
               ,
               
               his
               O●●ice
               is
               the
               like
               ;
               from
               whence
               followeth
               this
               inference
               ,
               that
               such
               as
               is
               the
               calling
               ,
               such
               is
               the
               Office
               ,
               they
               that
               had
               their
               calling
               immediately
               ,
               was
               extraordinary
               Officers
               ,
               such
               was
               t●e
               Apostles
               ;
               &
               such
               as
               have
               their
               calling
               mediately
               ,
               or
               by
               means
               are
               ordinary
               ,
               such
               was
               
                 Timothy
                 ,
              
               as
               in
               the
               fore-quoted
               Scripture
               may
               appear
               ,
               and
               so
               are
               all
               such
               as
               have
               their
               Ordination
               by
               preced●nt
               Church
               Offi●ers
               .
               This
               interpretation
               I
               so
               give
               ,
               as
               upon
               a
               better
               manifested
               ,
               I
               shall
               desire
               to
               r●tract
               this
               .
            
             
               4.
               
               If
               it
               had
               been
               in
               the
               power
               of
               the
               Congregations
               as
               to
               elect
               ,
               so
               lawfully
               and
               without
               sinne
               to
               Ordaine
               ,
               the
               Apostle
               might
               have
               written
               from
               place
               to
               place
               ,
               Letters
               of
               direction
               according
               to
               which
               ,
               Congregations
               might
               have
               proceeded
               ,
               and
               so
               of
               themselves
               effected
               it
               ,
               and
               then
               the
               Apostles
               by
               that
               might
               have
               had
               the
               more
               time
               for
               the
               publishing
               of
               the
               Gospel
               of
               Christ
               in
               other
               places
               ,
               where
               yet
               they
               had
               not
               been
               ,
               and
               not
               have
               travailed
               so
               many
               miles
               back
               againe
               from
               place
               to
               place
               to
               Ordaine
               Elders
               ,
               which
               if
               lawfully
               it
               might
               have
               been
               omitted
               ,
               it
               would
               have
               spared
               them
               much
               paines
               ,
               and
               much
               advanced
               the
               publishing
               of
               the
               Gospel
               ,
               for
               wee
               see
               that
               when
               the
               Church
               omitted
               another
               Ordinance
               ,
               
                 viz.
                 Excommunication
                 ,
              
               the
               Apostle
               went
               not
               to
               them
               ,
               but
               sent
               to
               them
               to
               doe
               it
               ,
               1
               
                 Cor.
              
               5.
               
            
             
               5.
               
               That
               which
               the
               holy
               Ghost
               maketh
               two
               distinct
               Ordinances
               in
               Churches
               ,
               and
               commands
               them
               to
               bee
               performed
               by
               persons
               of
               a
               twofold
               or
               distinct
               consideration
               in
               Churches
               ,
               that
               none
               ought
               to
               confound
               ,
               or
               make
               them
               one
               Ordinance
               ,
               neither
               ought
               they
               to
               be
               performed
               by
               Churches
               otherwise
               th●n
               by
               the
               persons
               in
               the
               said
               twofold
               or
               distinct
               considerations
               .
            
             
               But
               the
               holy
               Ghost
               maketh
               
                 Election
              
               and
               
                 Ordination
              
               two
               distinct
               Ordinances
               in
               Churches
               ,
               &
               commands
               them
               to
               be
               performed
               by
               persons
               of
               a
               twofold
               or
               distinct
               considerations
               in
               Churches
               ,
               
                 viz.
                 Election
              
               by
               the
               members
               ,
               
                 Ordination
              
               by
               the
               Officers
               ,
               
                 Act.
              
               6.
               3.
               
            
             
               Therefore
               none
               ought
               to
               confound
               ,
               or
               make
               them
               one
               O●dinance
               ,
               neither
               ought
               they
               to
               bee
               performed
               by
               Churches
               otherwise
               then
               by
               the
               Persons
               in
               the
               said
               twofold
               or
               distinct
               considerations
               .
            
             
               These
               things
               thus
               considered
               ,
               prove
               this
               Conclusion
               ,
               That
               that
               Church
               or
               Churches
               which
               hold
               and
               enjoy
               their
               Church
               Officers
               any
               otherwayes
               ,
               then
               by
               the
               Ordination
               of
               former
               
               Church
               officers
               hold
               and
               enjoy
               them
               not
               according
               to
               the
               mind
               of
               C●rist
               ,
               and
               all
               the
               administrations
               of
               such
               Church
               Officers
               ,
               their
               manner
               of
               entrance
               into
               their
               Office
               ,
               not
               being
               grounded
               on
               Scripture
               ,
               are
               unlawfull
               ,
               and
               not
               to
               bee
               c●mmunicated
               with
               ;
               and
               this
               is
               the
               ground
               of
               my
               withdrawing
               my selfe
               from
               that
               Congregation
               with
               whom
               I
               formerly
               walked
               .
            
             
               If
               it
               bee
               objected
               ,
               I
               formerly
               made
               question
               of
               this
               same
               particular
               ,
               and
               yet
               after
               that
               walked
               with
               the
               Congregation
               again
               .
               I
               answer
               ,
               that
               it
               is
               true
               ,
               and
               that
               I
               did
               upon
               this
               ground
               ,
               as
               to
               some
               it
               's
               evidently
               known
               .
            
             
               After
               some
               question
               with
               the
               Congregation
               about
               it
               ,
               one
               of
               the
               members
               ,
               who
               formerly
               also
               had
               doubt●d
               of
               the
               same
               thing
               ,
               at
               last
               said
               ,
               hee
               was
               stayed
               for
               the
               present
               upon
               this
               consideration
               ;
               That
               if
               the
               Ordination
               of
               the
               Church
               without
               Officers
               ,
               were
               not
               of
               force
               to
               give
               a
               compleat
               being
               by
               Ordination
               to
               a
               Pastor
               ,
               yet
               our
               Pastor
               having
               formerly
               been
               Ordained
               by
               a
               precedent
               Ministery
               ,
               in
               that
               respect
               his
               Ministery
               was
               t●ue
               ,
               and
               his
               Administrations
               lawfull
               ;
               unto
               which
               ,
               as
               willing
               to
               embrace
               any
               truth
               manifested
               ,
               I
               assented
               ,
               and
               upon
               that
               ground
               ,
               and
               no
               other
               ,
               I
               received
               his
               Ministery
               ,
               and
               partooke
               in
               ,
               and
               communicated
               with
               his
               Administrations
               ,
               and
               this
               not
               secretly
               ,
               but
               professedly
               .
            
             
               But
               after
               that
               ,
               I
               being
               in
               trouble
               ,
               and
               in
               probability
               to
               be
               questioned
               about
               my
               practise
               in
               this
               particular
               ,
               I
               was
               ,
               as
               some
               know
               ,
               in
               mind
               much
               troubled
               ,
               for
               having
               withdrawne
               my selfe
               from
               the
               Publike
               Assemblies
               ,
               and
               yet
               enjoying
               in
               my
               own
               judgement
               ,
               and
               by
               my
               owne
               confession
               ,
               neither
               Ministery
               nor
               Administrations
               ,
               but
               what
               derivatively
               I
               had
               from
               them
               ;
               and
               also
               professing
               both
               the
               Publike
               Congregations
               ,
               and
               Ministery
               ,
               and
               Ordinances
               ,
               to
               be
               the
               true
               Churches
               Ministery
               ,
               and
               Ordinances
               of
               ●hrist
               ,
               and
               so
               farre
               pure
               ,
               as
               for
               mee
               to
               refuse
               communion
               with
               them
               ,
               even
               by
               the
               publike
               Confession
               of
               that
               Congregation
               with
               whom
               I
               walked
               ,
               was
               a
               sinne
               :
               I
               could
               not
               then
               ,
               neither
               can
               I
               now
               tell
               which
               way
               ,
               without
               a
               great
               deale
               of
               scandall
               ,
               to
               take
               upon
               mee
               ,
               before
               authority
               in
               these
               respects
               to
               cleare
               my
               practice
               ,
               or
               to
               reconcile
               this
               at
               least
               seeming
               Paradox
               ,
               the
               rather
               considering
               ,
               that
               in
               this
               particular
               I
               was
               not
               onely
               left
               alone
               by
               the
               most
               and
               best
               of
               Orthodox
               Di●ines
               ,
               Foraine
               and
               Nationall
               ,
               but
               even
               
               by
               that
               Congregation
               also
               with
               whom
               I
               walked
               ,
               who
               though
               it
               hold
               a
               necessity
               of
               communicating
               in
               the
               Assemblies
               in
               some
               cases
               ,
               and
               that
               as
               before
               the
               Churches
               Ministery
               and
               Ordinances
               be
               true
               ,
               yet
               hold
               not
               their
               Ministery
               in
               their
               owne
               ,
               by
               vertu●
               of
               Ordination
               from
               a
               precedent
               Ministery
               ,
               but
               by
               the
               Ordination
               of
               the
               Congregation
               ,
               unto
               which
               ,
               neither
               could
               I
               then
               ,
               nor
               can
               I
               now
               ,
               for
               the
               Reasons
               fore-specified
               give
               my
               assent
               ,
               bu●
               must
               remaine
               contrary
               minded
               till
               the
               force
               of
               the
               Reasons
               and
               Argument
               ,
               be
               taken
               away
               ,
               or
               a
               beter
               ground
               bee
               manifested
               to
               mee
               ,
               which
               at
               all
               times
               ,
               I
               shall
               desire
               to
               embrace
               .
               Thus
               desiring
               what
               truth
               herein
               is
               contained
               may
               be
               received
               ,
               and
               what
               error
               ,
               if
               any
               ,
               may
               be
               shewed
               ,
               that
               all
               of
               us
               by
               leaving
               the
               evill
               ,
               and
               doing
               the
               good
               ,
               may
               obey
               our
               God
               in
               whom
               I
               rest
               ;
               desiring
               ever
               to
               be
               a
               true
               Friend
               and
               Brother
               to
               you
               all
               ,
               and
               to
               all
               others
               that
               love
               the
               Lord
               Christ
               .
            
             
               
                 Iohn
                 Bellamie
                 .
              
            
          
        
         
           After
           the
           sending
           of
           this
           Letter
           ,
           I
           received
           an
           answer
           from
           the
           Congregation
           ,
           and
           returned
           them
           a
           Reply
           ,
           a
           Copy
           of
           which
           Reply
           I
           have
           now
           by
           me
           ,
           but
           upon
           desire
           ,
           I
           delivered
           back
           the
           Answer
           to
           one
           of
           the
           members
           ,
           and
           would
           now
           have
           obtained
           it
           againe
           ,
           and
           printed
           it
           with
           my
           Reply
           to
           it
           ,
           but
           it
           would
           not
           bee
           granted
           me
           .
           I
           would
           not
           have
           printed
           these
           passages
           ,
           but
           that
           I
           conceived
           it
           requisite
           to
           satisfie
           you
           and
           the
           reader
           the
           grounds
           of
           my
           leaving
           that
           Congregation
           .
           And
           after
           this
           ,
           (
           what
           further
           passed
           in
           that
           Congregation
           concerning
           my selfe
           )
           I
           know
           not
           .
           Now
           ,
           if
           that
           Congregation
           with
           whom
           I
           then
           walked
           ,
           was
           afterwards
           in
           their
           judgements
           and
           practice
           changed
           or
           altered
           ,
           from
           what
           the
           Confession
           of
           the
           Faith
           of
           the
           Church
           then
           was
           when
           I
           joyned
           to
           them
           ,
           and
           the
           practice
           of
           the
           members
           thereof
           then
           was
           ,
           while
           I
           walked
           with
           them
           ,
           as
           unto
           communion
           in
           the
           Ministery
           and
           Ordinances
           both
           of
           Baptisme
           and
           the
           Lords
           Supper
           ,
           &c.
           in
           the
           Publike
           Parish
           Congregations
           (
           for
           that
           is
           the
           expression
           in
           the
           Confession
           ,
           )
           and
           that
           not
           thus
           to
           communicate
           ,
           in
           such
           respect
           ,
           and
           so
           farre
           forth
           onely
           as
           aforesaid
           ,
           was
           our
           sin
           ,
           even
           by
           our
           own
           confession
           ;
           then
           I
           pray
           you
           tell
           me
           (
           for
           I
           will
           not
           judge
           )
           whether
           is
           most
           blame
           worthy
           ,
           they
           or
           I
           ,
           and
           in
           whom
           is
           most
           mutation
           to
           be
           found
           .
        
         
         
           But
           if
           I
           may
           without
           offence
           speake
           it
           ,
           methinkes
           you
           exceed
           the
           bounds
           of
           Christian
           love
           and
           charity
           (
           yet
           will
           I
           not
           call
           it
           ,
           a
           piece
           of
           your
           Independent
           justice
           which
           we
           must
           expect
           ,
           as
           in
           another
           case
           you
           call
           it
           ,
           
             a
             piece
             of
             Presbyteriall
             justice
             ,
             which
          
           (
           say
           you
           )
           
             wee
             are
             like
             to
             finde
             from
             you
             when
             power
             is
             in
             your
             hands
             ,
          
           Pag
           4.
           )
           in
           presuming
           that
           revenge
           against
           this
           Congregation
           and
           its
           members
           ,
           hath
           put
           me
           thus
           on
           worke
           in
           the
           
             City
             Remonstrance
          
           and
           
             its
             Vindic●tion
             ,
          
           for
           the
           Lord
           that
           searcheth
           the
           hearts
           of
           all
           men
           ,
           knoweth
           my
           heart
           ,
           and
           unto
           him
           I
           doe
           appeale
           ,
           that
           from
           that
           time
           to
           this
           hour●
           ,
           which
           I
           thinke
           is
           now
           near
           twenty
           years
           ,
           I
           never
           had
           the
           least
           thought
           of
           revenge
           in
           me
           ,
           either
           against
           the
           whole
           ,
           or
           any
           particular
           member
           of
           that
           Congregation
           ,
           but
           have
           according
           to
           my
           poore
           ability
           ,
           been
           alwayes
           ready
           and
           willing
           to
           performe
           all
           offices
           of
           Christian
           love
           and
           respect
           unto
           any
           of
           them
           ;
           and
           I
           hope
           ,
           as
           ●ccasion
           is
           offered
           ,
           ever
           shall
           be
           ;
           and
           though
           I
           cannot
           agree
           with
           them
           in
           opinion
           and
           practice
           ,
           yet
           I
           hope
           I
           shall
           ever
           love
           them
           as
           my
           own
           soul
           .
        
         
           In
           page
           18.
           you
           speak
           of
           my
           meeting
           with
           a
           select
           company
           of
           Christians
           in
           a
           cursory
           way
           ;
           where
           you
           are
           pleased
           to
           say
           more
           then
           ever
           I
           deserved
           ,
           or
           had
           cause
           to
           thinke
           of
           ,
           concerning
           my
           carriage
           amongst
           them
           to
           their
           comfort
           and
           content
           .
        
         
           
             An●w
             .
          
           Truly
           ,
           I
           blesse
           God
           ,
           I
           have
           often
           met
           with
           sundry
           s●lect
           Companies
           of
           godly
           Christians
           in
           holy
           duties
           ,
           and
           been
           willing
           ,
           according
           to
           the
           best
           of
           my
           abilities
           ,
           to
           doe
           or
           receive
           any
           good
           to
           ,
           or
           from
           them
           ,
           but
           sure
           I
           dare
           not
           think
           you
           judge
           this
           to
           be
           criminall
           ;
           but
           yet
           you
           say
           ,
           
             that
             with
             much
             griefe
             of
             soul
             they
             assert
             these
             things
             .
          
           What
           your
           meaning
           in
           this
           is
           ,
           as
           you
           expresse
           it
           not
           ,
           so
           indeed
           I
           know
           it
           not
           ;
           I
           hope
           ,
           as
           I
           ever
           have
           done
           ,
           so
           I
           ever
           shall
           endeavour
           to
           do
           or
           to
           receive
           any
           spirituall
           goo●
           from
           any
           company
           of
           Christians
           with
           whom
           either
           purposely
           or
           occasionally
           I
           shall
           converse
           ;
           and
           for
           this
           you
           have
           my
           minde
           and
           judgement
           ,
           which
           according
           to
           that
           talent
           God
           hath
           given
           mee
           is
           ,
           and
           ever
           shall
           be
           concordable
           to
           my
           practice
           ;
           you
           may
           read
           it
           in
           my
           Vindication
           ,
           page
           21.
           it
           is
           in
           an
           answer
           to
           a
           Querie
           of
           the
           Replyer
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           what
           the
           Remonstrants
           meane
           by
           private
           and
           separate
           Congregations
           ;
           it
           's
           answered
           negatively
           in
           these
           words
           ,
           
             That
             the
             Remonstrants
             doe
             not
             mean
             by
             private
             and
             separate
             Congregations
             ,
             the
             private
             meetings
             of
             Christian
             people
             for
             Prayer
             ,
             Exhortation
             ,
             
             Repetition
             of
             Se●rmons
             ,
             or
             any
             other
             laudable
             and
             Christian
             familie
             ,
             or
             neighbourly
             duties
             amongst
             the
             Saints
             ;
             as
             to
             these
             I
             am
             assured
             all
             the
             Remonstrants
             will
             joyne
             with
             you
             in
             your
             desire
             ,
             that
             abh●r'd
             h●th
             by
             God
             and
             all
             good
             men
             ,
             may
             all
             requests
             be
             that
             shall
             bee
             made
             for
             the
             suppres-pressing
             of
             th●se
             .
          
        
         
           Next
           ,
           you
           goe
           about
           summarily
           to
           reckon
           up
           such
           things
           ,
           as
           either
           lying
           fame
           hath
           told
           you
           ,
           or
           your
           own
           fancy
           dictates
           to
           you
           ,
           and
           for
           fear
           of
           failing
           ,
           you
           repeat
           them
           in
           several
           places
           ;
           and
           therefore
           where
           you
           are
           pleased
           to
           lay
           them
           downe
           ,
           I
           must
           undergoe
           the
           paines
           to
           take
           them
           up
           ,
           they
           are
           in
           p●ge
           19
           ,
           and
           page
           30.
           where
           you
           say
           ,
           I
           have
           been
           for
           Bishops
           ,
           and
           against
           Bishops
           ;
           for
           Separates
           ,
           and
           against
           S●parates
           ;
           a
           Sectary
           ,
           and
           an
           A●ti-sectary
           ;
           a
           Schismatick
           ,
           and
           an
           Anti-schismatick
           ;
           and
           so
           you
           goe
           ●urther
           on
           in
           many
           other
           the
           like
           expressions
           according
           to
           your
           pleasure
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           If
           all
           these
           were
           true
           which
           here
           you
           specifie
           ,
           and
           all
           the
           former
           particulars
           before
           recited
           ,
           yet
           what
           are
           all
           ,
           or
           any
           of
           these
           to
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           or
           its
           Vindication
           ?
           Truly
           ,
           I
           must
           needs
           say
           ,
           that
           it
           is
           a
           shrewd
           signe
           of
           a
           bad
           Cau●e
           ;
           and
           I
           thinke
           the
           Reader
           will
           bee
           of
           the
           same
           minde
           with
           mee
           ,
           when
           in
           stead
           of
           Arguments
           or
           Reasons
           to
           confute
           what
           is
           affirmed
           ,
           you
           must
           fall
           so
           foule
           upon
           the
           Person
           ,
           and
           the
           suppo●ed
           miscarriages
           of
           him
           whom
           you
           oppose
           ;
           it
           seems
           you
           had
           little
           hope
           that
           your selfe
           by
           strengtst
           of
           Argument
           should
           doe
           any
           good
           ,
           and
           therefore
           you
           call
           in
           for
           helpe
           ,
           such
           as
           it
           is
           ,
           in
           this
           way
           of
           combating
           to
           cast
           mee
           downe
           ,
           just
           like
           the
           Heathens
           against
           the
           Christians
           in
           the
           Primitive
           ●imes
           ,
           and
           the
           Papists
           against
           the
           Protestants
           in
           these
           latter
           times
           ;
           but
           I
           pray
           ●emember
           what
           you
           say
           of
           the
           Reply
           ,
           in
           the
           5
           page
           of
           your
           Booke
           ,
           the
           latter
           end
           ,
           That
           
             there
             may
             possibly
             be
             mistakes
             more
             then
             enough
          
           in
           it
           ,
           
             for
             the
             holy
             Scripture
             onely
             excepted
             ,
             where
             is
             thirt
             writing
             without
             mistakes
             ?
          
           May
           not
           the
           like
           bee
           said
           ,
           as
           of
           Books
           ,
           so
           of
           men
           ,
           where
           is
           the
           man
           without
           his
           errors
           ,
           without
           his
           miscariages
           ?
           as
           I
           will
           not
           accuse
           ,
           so
           I
           beleeve
           you
           will
           not
           excuse
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           himselfe
           from
           these
           .
           And
           truly
           ,
           for
           ●y
           self
           ,
           I
           dare
           not
           to
           these
           plead
           my
           defence
           ;
           for
           I
           know
           more
           by
           my selfe
           ,
           then
           you
           ,
           or
           all
           your
           Reporters
           can
           accuse
           me
           of
           ,
           and
           earnestly
           &
           humbly
           I
           desire
           that
           God
           may
           be
           glorified
           both
           in
           my
           acknowledgement
           of
           them
           to
           him
           ,
           and
           his
           pardoning
           
           of
           them
           to
           mee
           ;
           but
           upon
           what
           ground
           you
           should
           thus
           boldly
           breake
           in
           upon
           mee
           ,
           knowing
           nothing
           of
           any
           thing
           that
           of
           the●e
           you
           affirme
           ,
           I
           can
           but
           wonder
           :
           I
           pray
           be
           pleased
           to
           make
           a
           second
           inquiry
           amongst
           all
           your
           Reporters
           ,
           and
           see
           if
           they
           can
           make
           it
           out
           for
           truth
           unto
           you
           ,
           that
           ever
           at
           any
           time
           ,
           in
           any
           place
           ,
           either
           by
           word
           or
           writing
           ,
           any
           thing
           fell
           from
           mee
           ,
           either
           for
           Bishops
           ,
           for
           Separates
           ,
           for
           Schismaticks
           ,
           or
           for
           Sectaries
           ,
           and
           if
           not
           ,
           as
           confident
           I
           am
           nor
           you
           ,
           nor
           they
           can
           ,
           then
           why
           doe
           you
           wrong
           your selfe
           and
           your
           Cause
           ,
           in
           thus
           going
           about
           to
           wrong
           me
           ,
           by
           reporting
           and
           divulging
           these
           untruths
           of
           me
           ?
        
         
           
             But
             I
             have
             tyred
             out
             my selfe
             ,
             and
             perhaps
             wearied
             the
             Reader
             too
             ,
             in
             following
             you
             so
             long
             upon
             these
             personall
             things
             ,
             yet
             must
             I
             needs
             crave
             favour
             to
             particularize
             one
             passage
             more
             ,
          
           viz.
           
             in
             your
             29
             pag.
             in
             these
             words
             ,
          
           viz.
           Mr.
           
             John
             Bellamie
             ,
          
           what
           kinde
           of
           man
           are
           you
           ?
           They
           that
           observe
           your
           sayings
           what
           they
           have
           been
           formerly
           concerning
           the
           King
           ,
           concerning
           the
           Lords
           ,
           concerning
           the
           power
           of
           the
           Commons
           ▪
           (
           whispering
           your
           thoughts
           in
           the
           eares
           of
           many
           that
           now
           speake
           of
           it
           )
           what
           your
           carriages
           have
           been
           not
           very
           long
           since
           in
           Common-Councell
           ,
           or
           among
           your
           brethren
           the
           Stationer's
           ,
           the
           Committee
           appointed
           for
           the
           keeping
           up
           and
           maintaining
           the
           Expository
           Lectures
           ,
           and
           what
           your
           carriages
           are
           now
           ,
           stand
           with
           admiration
           and
           amusement
           at
           your
           wheeling
           thus
           about
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           desire
           the
           Reader
           to
           observe
           the
           many
           Charges
           which
           in
           this
           you
           lay
           against
           mee
           ,
           at
           the
           least
           six
           ,
           yet
           you
           particularize
           not
           any
           one
           ;
           might
           I
           not
           more
           justly
           then
           you
           ,
           take
           your
           owne
           words
           used
           in
           reference
           to
           
             Quarterman
             ,
          
           in
           your
           12
           page
           ,
           and
           apply
           them
           to
           that
           which
           in
           this
           you
           spake
           against
           mee
           ,
           
             viz.
             Hang
             him
             ,
             hang
             him
             ,
             what
             hath
             he
             done
             ?
          
           And
           what
           I
           pray
           you
           may
           such
           as
           know
           mee
           not
           ,
           be
           ready
           to
           judge
           of
           mee
           ?
           when
           they
           heare
           so
           many
           ,
           and
           so
           great
           Charges
           in
           the
           generall
           laid
           against
           mee
           ,
           and
           seemingly
           confirmed
           by
           so
           many
           Witnesses
           ,
           as
           the
           whole
           Common-Councell
           ,
           the
           Company
           of
           Stationers
           ,
           the
           Committee
           for
           Expository
           Lectures
           ?
           was
           there
           ever
           the
           like
           passages
           printed
           against
           any
           man
           by
           the
           worst
           of
           enemies
           that
           ever
           he
           had
           to
           charge
           him
           with
           something
           against
           the
           King
           ,
           as
           if
           that
           were
           Treason
           ,
           something
           against
           the
           Lords
           &
           Commons
           ,
           as
           if
           that
           were
           either
           Treason
           ,
           or
           at
           least
           
             Scandalum
             Magnatum
             ,
          
           and
           this
           to
           be
           whispered
           by
           mee
           in
           the
           eares
           of
           many
           ,
           that
           now
           speake
           of
           it
           againe
           ,
           
           and
           yet
           to
           instance
           in
           nothing
           at
           all
           ;
           and
           then
           furth●r
           to
           say
           ,
           what
           your
           carriages
           have
           been
           not
           very
           long
           since
           in
           Common-Councell
           ,
           or
           among
           your
           Brethren
           the
           Stationers
           ,
           the
           Committee
           appointed
           for
           the
           keeping
           〈…〉
           maintaining
           the
           Expository
           Lectures
           .
           Now
           I
           appeale
           to
           your
           own
           soule
           ,
           whether
           this
           your
           dealing
           can
           have
           any
           defence
           m●de
           for
           it
           .
           And
           I
           do
           appeale
           also
           to
           the
           worst
           of
           Enemies
           that
           I
           have
           alive
           (
           as
           it
           seemes
           I
           have
           a
           great
           many
           ;
           for
           I
           thanke
           you
           heartily
           for
           it
           ,
           you
           told
           mee
           privately
           by
           word
           of
           mouth
           upon
           Saturday
           the
           8
           of
           this
           August
           ,
           that
           there
           is
           a
           Booke
           of
           the
           History
           of
           my
           life
           ,
           already
           drawn
           up
           ,
           and
           fitted
           for
           the
           Presse
           ,
           wherein
           are
           many
           heavie
           Charges
           laid
           against
           me
           in
           the
           matters
           of
           my
           conversation
           :
           )
           to
           make
           any
           thing
           good
           against
           mee
           in
           any
           of
           these
           generalls
           which
           here
           you
           sp●ak
           of
           ,
           and
           in
           particular
           I
           appeal
           to
           the
           Court
           of
           Common-Councell
           ,
           to
           the
           Company
           of
           Stationers
           ,
           and
           to
           the
           Committee
           a●pointed
           for
           the
           keeping
           up
           and
           maintaining
           the
           Expository
           Lectures
           ,
           (
           for
           all
           these
           you
           seeme
           to
           bring
           as
           witnesses
           against
           me
           ,
           )
           whether
           ever
           I
           did
           or
           spake
           any
           thing
           at
           any
           time
           in
           any
           of
           the●e
           Assemblies
           ,
           which
           in
           any
           thing
           was
           any
           way
           crosse
           or
           contrary
           either
           to
           the
           City
           Remonstrance
           ,
           or
           to
           any
           thing
           in
           my
           Vindication
           thereof
           ;
           for
           you
           say
           ,
           that
           they
           observing
           your
           now
           carriages
           ,
           stand
           with
           admiration
           and
           amasement
           at
           your
           wheeling
           thus
           about
           .
        
         
           Mr
           
             I.
             P.
          
           I
           pray
           remember
           that
           Scripture
           ,
           which
           in
           your
           1●
           page
           you
           set
           in
           a
           parallel
           against
           a
           passage
           in
           the
           Remonstrance
           ,
           to
           prove
           that
           the
           
             Common-Councell
             doth
             act
             in
             a
             direct
             ,
             evident
             ,
             and
             obvious
             manner
             against
             the
             expresse
             Will
             and
             Word
             of
             God
             ,
          
           and
           bring
           it
           hither
           ,
           and
           set
           it
           likewise
           in
           parallel
           against
           this
           your
           dealing
           with
           me
           ,
           and
           then
           tell
           mee
           
             who
             doth
             act
             in
             a
             direct
             ,
             evident
             ,
             and
             obvious
             manner
             ,
             against
             the
             expresse
             Will
             and
             Word
             of
             God
             ;
          
           the
           Scripture
           you
           cite
           ,
           is
           
             Matth.
             7.
             12.
             
             As
             you
             would
             that
             men
             should
             doe
             unto
             you
             ,
             so
             doe
             unto
             them
             ,
             for
             this
             is
             the
             Law
             and
             the
             Prophets
             .
          
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           I
           beseech
           you
           aske
           your
           owne
           soule
           ,
           whether
           you
           would
           that
           I
           ,
           or
           any
           other
           man
           should
           deale
           thus
           by
           you
           ,
           as
           you
           have
           dealt
           by
           me
           ,
           gathering
           up
           whatever
           you
           cou●d
           heare
           against
           mee
           ,
           whether
           true
           or
           false
           ,
           in
           my
           carriages
           about
           matters
           of
           Religion
           ,
           and
           that
           for
           above
           30
           yeares
           together
           ;
           and
           though
           you
           know
           nothing
           of
           any
           one
           of
           them
           more
           or
           lesse
           ,
           and
           there
           being
           not
           one
           of
           
           them
           true
           as
           you
           relate
           them
           ,
           yet
           without
           ever
           speaking
           one
           word
           to
           me
           about
           them
           ,
           with
           such
           boldnesse
           and
           confidence
           of
           truth
           to
           publish
           them
           to
           the
           world
           :
           And
           now
           tell
           me
           ,
           
             Whether
             you
             doe
             as
             you
             would
             bee
             done
             unto
             ,
             and
             whether
             in
             this
             ,
             your
             owne
             Conscience
             being
             your
             judge
             ,
             you
             doe
             not
             act
             in
             a
             direct
             evident
             ,
             and
             obvious
             manner
             against
             the
             expresse
             will
             and
             word
             of
             God
             .
          
        
         
           But
           I
           must
           break
           off
           ,
           yet
           with
           this
           resolution
           ,
           that
           your
           indeavour
           thus
           to
           blaz
           on
           my
           Name
           ,
           and
           blast
           my
           Repute
           ,
           shall
           by
           Gods
           grace
           quicken
           mee
           up
           to
           a
           more
           Christian
           watchfulnesse
           over
           all
           my
           wayes
           ,
           that
           I
           may
           walke
           more
           inoffensively
           towards
           men
           ,
           and
           more
           pleasingly
           before
           
             God
             ;
          
           and
           I
           blesse
           my
           
             God
             ,
          
           that
           my
           Name
           is
           neither
           in
           the
           power
           of
           your
           tongue
           ,
           nor
           pen
           ,
           nor
           yet
           of
           your
           reporters
           neither
           ,
           but
           onely
           in
           the
           hand
           &
           power
           of
           my
           good
           God
           who
           is
           able
           to
           keep
           that
           which
           I
           have
           committed
           to
           him
           ;
           and
           I
           blesse
           his
           Name
           ,
           I
           am
           not
           in
           any
           thing
           terrified
           by
           that
           which
           you
           or
           they
           have
           in
           this
           already
           done
           ,
           in
           thus
           seeking
           to
           defame
           mee
           ,
           nor
           yet
           ,
           I
           hope
           ,
           ever
           shall
           bee
           at
           that
           History
           of
           my
           Life
           ,
           which
           you
           say
           is
           ready
           for
           the
           Presse
           to
           be
           Printed
           against
           mee
           .
        
         
           Next
           ,
           you
           come
           in
           your
           22
           page
           to
           that
           question
           wherein
           resides
           the
           Supreme
           power
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           and
           upon
           this
           Argument
           you
           continue
           neare
           to
           the
           end
           of
           your
           Book
           ;
           and
           in
           page
           23
           you
           begin
           your
           Que●ies
           ,
           and
           first
           ,
           you
           aske
           what
           I
           meane
           by
           three
           Estates
           ,
           and
           yet
           in
           the
           same
           ,
           and
           the
           foregoing
           pages
           you
           transcribe
           my
           very
           words
           ,
           where
           I
           told
           you
           ,
           that
           by
           the
           three
           Estates
           I
           meant
           (
           as
           all
           the
           Laws
           and
           Records
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           expresse
           it
           ,
           and
           as
           all
           men
           unquestionably
           have
           hitherto
           concluded
           it
           ,
           and
           as
           the
           truth
           in
           it selfe
           is
           )
           
             the
             King
             ,
             the
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             the
             Commons
             .
          
           Your
           second
           Querie
           is
           ,
           
             What
             I
             meane
             by
             Fundamentall
             ;
          
           and
           then
           you
           tell
           the
           Reader
           ,
           that
           
             I
             say
             the
             King
             ,
             the
             Lords
             ,
             and
             Commons
             are
             the
             three
             Estates
             of
             which
             the
             Fundamentall
             constitution
             of
             the
             Kingdome
             is
             made
             up
             .
          
        
         
           It
           's
           true
           ,
           I
           did
           ,
           and
           doe
           say
           so
           still
           ,
           and
           you
           say
           little
           to
           contradict
           it
           ,
           onely
           you
           aske
           another
           question
           (
           which
           ,
           how
           wise
           a
           one
           it
           is
           ,
           I
           desire
           the
           Reader
           to
           observe
           ,
           for
           I
           must
           not
           judge
           )
           
             viz.
             are
             there
             three
             Fundamentalls
             ?
          
           and
           you
           propose
           it
           ,
           as
           if
           I
           had
           said
           or
           imply'd
           so
           much
           ;
           and
           then
           you
           tell
           the
           Reader
           ,
           you
           ever
           thought
           there
           had
           been
           but
           one
           ;
           and
           in
           this
           I
           agree
           with
           you
           ,
           but
           herein
           is
           our
           difference
           which
           you
           and
           I
           must
           leave
           to
           the
           judgement
           
           
             of
             the
             reader
             to
             determine
             ,
             I
             say
             this
             one
             Fundamental
             constitution
             of
             the
             Kingd●m
             ,
             is
             the
             three
             Estates
             of
             the
          
           King
           ,
           Lords
           ,
           
             and
          
           Commons
           ,
           
             and
             this
             I
             still
             abide
             by
             ;
             but
             you
             say
             ,
          
           this
           one
           Fundamentall
           is
           the
           Commons
           ,
           
             and
             that
             for
             two
             Reasons
             ;
             1.
             
          
           Bec●use
           the
           Commons
           made
           the
           King
           ,
           and
           the
           King
           made
           the
           Lords
           ,
           and
           so
           the
           Commons
           are
           the
           prime
           ●ound●tion
           .
           2.
           
           B●cause
           both
           the
           King
           and
           the
           Lords
           were
           adv●nced
           for
           the
           benefit
           ,
           quiet
           ,
           and
           welfare
           of
           the
           Commons
           ,
           and
           not
           the
           Commons
           made
           for
           them
           :
           
             And
             you
             say
             ,
          
           if
           you
           are
           deceived
           ,
           the
           common
           Maxime
           of
           
             Salus
             populi
             suprema
             Lex
             ,
          
           deceived
           you
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           First
           ,
           the
           frame
           of
           the
           Government
           of
           this
           Kingdome
           ,
           by
           the
           admired
           wisdom
           of
           the
           Architects
           and
           Contrivers
           thereof
           ,
           is
           so
           composed
           of
           these
           three
           Estates
           ,
           as
           may
           best
           preserve
           the
           whole
           ,
           and
           keep
           either
           of
           those
           Estates
           from
           any
           such
           exorbitancy
           as
           might
           destroy
           the
           other
           ;
           for
           as
           they
           are
           the
           three
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           I
           humbly
           conc●ive
           there
           is
           no
           subordination
           of
           the
           one
           to
           the
           other
           ,
           but
           a
           co-ordination
           of
           them
           all
           three
           together
           ,
           by
           which
           the
           Princes
           Soveraignty
           ,
           and
           the
           peoples
           freedome
           and
           liberty
           are
           together
           preserved
           and
           maintained
           ,
           and
           herein
           is
           that
           common
           Maxime
           of
           
             Salus
             populi
             suprema
             Lex
             ,
          
           chiefly
           made
           good
           .
        
         
           Secondly
           ,
           the
           legislative
           Power
           of
           this
           Kingdom
           is
           not
           in
           any
           one
           Estate
           distinct
           ,
           but
           in
           al
           the
           three
           Estates
           conjunct
           ,
           yea
           ,
           the
           very
           root
           and
           essence
           of
           this
           Legislative
           Power
           is
           compounded
           ,
           and
           as
           it
           were
           ,
           mixed
           together
           in
           the
           three
           Estates
           of
           
             King
             ,
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             Commons
             ,
          
           and
           these
           three
           concurrent
           Estates
           producing
           one
           supreme
           Act
           as
           con-Cause
           ,
           ca●not
           have
           a
           subordination
           among
           themselves
           ,
           it
           not
           being
           imaginable
           how
           a
           power
           can
           cause
           the
           supreme
           effect
           ,
           and
           yet
           be
           subordinate
           :
           thus
           the
           very
           being
           of
           our
           Common
           and
           Statute
           Lawes
           prove
           this
           truth
           ,
           for
           they
           are
           not
           composed
           nor
           enacted
           by
           any
           one
           of
           the
           three
           Estates
           
             divisim
             ,
          
           but
           they
           are
           established
           by
           the
           sole
           authority
           of
           the
           three
           Estates
           
             conjunctin
             ,
          
           every
           act
           
             being
             enacted
             by
             the
             Kings
             most
             excellent
             Majesty
             ,
             and
             by
             the
             authority
             of
             the
             Lords
             and
             C●mmons
             assembled
             in
             Parliament
             .
          
        
         
           Thirdly
           ,
           I
           must
           needs
           dissent
           from
           you
           ,
           in
           that
           you
           say
           ,
           that
           both
           
             the
             King
             and
             the
             Lords
             were
             advanced
             for
             the
             bene●●t
             ,
             quiet
             ,
             and
             welfare
             of
             the
             Commons
             ,
          
           if
           your
           meaning
           bee
           ,
           as
           indeed
           by
           your
           words
           it
           seems
           to
           be
           ,
           
             exclusive
             ,
          
           excluding
           therein
           the
           benefit
           ,
           quiet
           
           and
           welfare
           of
           
             the
             King
          
           and
           
             the
             Lords
             ,
          
           for
           I
           conceive
           the
           benefi●
           quiet
           and
           welfare
           of
           the
           whole
           ,
           
             viz.
             King
             ,
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             Comm●ns
          
           was
           equally
           and
           alike
           intended
           in
           
             the
             Fundamentall
             constitution
             of
             the
             Kingdom
             ,
          
           and
           so
           the
           
             Commons
          
           were
           as
           well
           made
           for
           the
           
             King
             ,
          
           as
           the
           
             King
          
           for
           the
           
             Commons
             ,
          
           yea
           the
           
             King
             ,
          
           and
           
             the
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             the
             Commons
          
           were
           all
           alike
           made
           for
           the
           benefit
           ,
           quiet
           ,
           and
           welfare
           each
           of
           others
           ,
           and
           so
           of
           the
           whole
           together
           ;
           and
           this
           is
           that
           ,
           which
           in
           my
           minde
           maketh
           the
           Constitution
           of
           this
           Kingdome
           in
           this
           state
           of
           a
           limited
           and
           mixed
           Monarchy
           farre
           to
           surpasse
           the
           Constitution
           of
           any
           other
           Kingdome
           that
           I
           know
           ;
           and
           I
           think
           ,
           that
           in
           a
           good
           sense
           it
           may
           truly
           bee
           said
           of
           the
           severall
           members
           of
           this
           thus
           constituted
           
             Po●itique
             body
             of
             this
             Kingdome
             ,
          
           as
           the
           Apostle
           ,
           1
           
             Cor.
          
           12.
           21.
           speakes
           of
           the
           members
           of
           
             the
             naturall
             body
             ,
             the
             eye
             c●nnot
             s●y
             to
             the
             b●nd
             ,
             I
             have
             no
             need
             of
             thee
             ,
             nor
             again
             the
             ●ead
             to
             the
             feet
             ,
             I
             have
             no
             need
             of
             you
             ;
          
           for
           as
           every
           member
           in
           the
           naturall
           body
           is
           by
           God
           there
           set
           and
           placed
           ,
           not
           alone
           for
           its
           owne
           good
           ,
           but
           for
           the
           welfare
           of
           the
           whole
           ,
           and
           accordingly
           it
           acts
           ,
           and
           is
           serviceable
           therein
           for
           the
           good
           of
           the
           whole
           ,
           yea
           ,
           such
           a
           naturall
           necessity
           there
           is
           in
           the
           body
           ,
           of
           every
           member
           ,
           that
           not
           any
           one
           member
           can
           be
           wanting
           ,
           but
           the
           body
           is
           thereby
           defective
           ,
           and
           so
           
             the
             eye
             cannot
             say
             to
             the
             ●and
             ,
             I
             have
             no
             need
             of
             thee
             ,
             nor
             againe
             ,
             the
             head
             to
             the
             feet
             ,
             I
             h●v●
             no
             need
             of
             you
             .
          
        
         
           So
           in
           the
           
             body
             Politique
             of
             this
             Common-wealth
             ,
          
           by
           the
           ancient
           and
           excellent
           Constitution
           thereof
           ,
           the
           three
           Estates
           ,
           
             viz.
             King
             ,
             Lords
          
           and
           
             Commons
          
           are
           so
           set
           and
           placed
           ,
           that
           in
           their
           severall
           stations
           they
           should
           not
           act
           alone
           for
           their
           owne
           particular
           ,
           but
           for
           the
           Common
           and
           Publike
           good
           and
           welfare
           of
           the
           whole
           ;
           yea
           ,
           I
           humbly
           conceive
           ,
           that
           to
           the
           upholding
           &
           continuance
           of
           this
           so
           excellent
           a
           Constitution
           ,
           there
           is
           such
           a
           
             Politique
             necessity
          
           of
           every
           one
           of
           the
           three
           Estates
           in
           this
           Commonwealth
           ,
           for
           the
           preservation
           of
           the
           whole
           ,
           that
           
             the
             King
             cannot
             say
             to
             the
             Commons
             ,
             I
             have
             no
             need
             of
             you
             ,
             nor
             againe
             the
             Commons
             to
             the
             King
             ,
             I
             have
             no
             need
             of
             thee
             ,
          
           nor
           yet
           the
           King
           
             and
             the
             Commons
             to
             the
             Lords
             ,
             we
             have
             no
             need
             of
             you
             :
          
           For
           if
           any
           one
           Estate
           in
           
             this
             b●dy
             Politique
          
           be
           cut
           off
           ,
           the
           whole
           constitution
           is
           presently
           destroyed
           ;
           and
           when
           I
           seriously
           consider
           how
           by
           the
           Fundamentall
           Constitution
           of
           this
           Kingdom
           ,
           there
           is
           such
           care
           taken
           for
           the
           preservation
           of
           the
           Soveraignty
           of
           the
           
             King
             ,
          
           and
           yet
           withall
           such
           provision
           made
           for
           the
           just
           Liberties
           
           and
           freedome
           of
           the
           people
           ,
           and
           how
           the
           one
           may
           be
           justly
           allayed
           ,
           and
           yet
           consist
           without
           impeachment
           of
           the
           other
           ,
           I
           cannot
           but
           conceive
           it
           to
           be
           unparalleld
           for
           true
           policy
           in
           the
           whole
           world
           :
           and
           thus
           much
           in
           answer
           to
           your
           two
           first
           Q●eries
           .
        
         
           
             Your
             third
             Querie
             is
             ,
          
           whether
           the
           King
           ,
           and
           suppose
           the
           major
           part
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           whi●h
           m●ke
           up
           two
           Estates
           ,
           do●
           agree
           tog●ther
           ,
           suppose
           it
           be
           to
           set
           up
           absolute
           prerogative
           ,
           and
           the
           Commons
           will
           not
           assent
           hereunto
           ,
           whether
           the
           majo●
           part
           of
           the
           Estates
           must
           not
           conclude
           the
           minor
           ,
           the
           two
           conclude
           the
           third
           ,
           and
           so
           as
           for
           the
           Common
           ,
           will
           they
           ,
           nill
           they
           ,
           sl●●es
           they
           must
           be
           ,
           and
           slaves
           they
           shall
           be
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           To
           the
           making
           of
           a
           Law
           ,
           there
           must
           bee
           the
           concurrent
           consent
           of
           all
           the
           three
           Estates
           ,
           
             viz.
             King
             ,
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             Commons
             ;
          
           the
           
             King
          
           and
           the
           
             Lords
             ,
          
           without
           the
           consent
           of
           the
           
             Commons
          
           can
           make
           no
           Law
           valid
           ,
           and
           in
           that
           case
           the
           
             major
          
           part
           of
           the
           Estate●
           doe
           not
           conclude
           the
           
             minor
             ,
          
           and
           so
           the
           
             Commons
          
           are
           thereby
           pre●served
           from
           slavery
           ;
           but
           in
           another
           case
           the
           
             major
          
           part
           of
           the
           E●states
           doe
           conclude
           the
           
             minor
             ,
             viz.
          
           when
           the
           
             Lords
          
           and
           Common●
           doe
           agree
           upon
           a
           Law
           for
           the
           good
           and
           safety
           of
           
             the
             Kingdome
             ,
          
           then
           
             the
             King
          
           is
           concluded
           in
           that
           their
           agreement
           ,
           and
           ought
           t●
           set
           his
           
             flat
          
           thereunto
           :
           
             For
             the
             Kings
             of
             England
          
           are
           bound
           by
           their
           Oaths
           to
           grant
           such
           Laws
           which
           shall
           bee
           for
           the
           good
           and
           safety
           of
           
             the
             Kingdome
             ,
          
           with
           the
           accord
           of
           their
           people
           
             in
             〈◊〉
          
           presented
           to
           them
           ,
           as
           in
           the
           preamble
           of
           the
           Statute
           made
           in
           the
           25
           yeare
           of
           
             ●dward
          
           the
           Third
           ,
           entituled
           ,
           
             The
             Statute
             of
             proviso●s
             of
             Benefices
             ,
             made
             at
             W●stminster
             ,
          
           in
           these
           words
           it
           doth
           appeare
           :
        
         
           Whereupon
           the
           said
           Commons
           ha●e
           prayed
           our
           Soveraigne
           Lord
           the
           King
           ,
           that
           sith
           the
           Right
           of
           the
           Crowne
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           and
           the
           Law
           of
           the
           said
           Realme
           is
           such
           ,
           that
           upon
           the
           mischiefs
           and
           damm●ges
           which
           ●appen
           to
           this
           Realme
           ,
           Hee
           ought
           ,
           and
           is
           bound
           by
           His
           Oath
           ,
           with
           the
           accord
           of
           His
           People
           in
           His
           Parliament
           thereof
           ,
           to
           make
           remedy
           and
           law
           .
        
         
           And
           the
           
             King
          
           acknowledgeth
           this
           for
           a
           truth
           ,
           and
           accordingly
           Acted
           ,
           as
           in
           these
           following
           words
           in
           the
           same
           Statute
           ,
           it
           appeareth
           :
        
         
           Our
           Soveraigne
           Lord
           the
           King
           ,
           seeing
           the
           mischiefes
           and
           dammages
           before
           mentione●
           ,
           and
           having
           r●gard
           to
           the
           Statute
           made
           in
           the
           time
           of
           his
           Grandf●ther
           ,
           and
           by
           so
           much
           as
           Hee
           is
           bounden
           by
           Hi●
           Oath
           to
           cause
           the
           〈…〉
           a
           Law
           of
           His
           Realme
           ,
           &c.
           by
           the
           assent
           of
           all
           the
           great
           
           Men
           and
           Comm●nalty
           of
           ●is
           said
           Re●lme
           ,
           to
           the
           honor
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           profit
           of
           the
           said
           Church
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           and
           of
           all
           His
           Realm●
           ,
           〈◊〉
           Ord●ined
           and
           es●ablished
           ,
           &c.
           
        
         
           Thus
           farre
           the
           words
           of
           that
           Preamble
           and
           Statute
           ,
           upon
           which
           
             the
             Lords
          
           and
           
             Commons
          
           in
           this
           present
           
             Parliament
          
           assembled
           say
           thus
           :
           
             Viz.
             
          
        
         
           Here
           the
           Lords
           and
           Commons
           claime
           it
           directly
           as
           the
           right
           of
           the
           Crowne
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           and
           of
           the
           Law
           of
           the
           Land
           ,
           tha●
           the
           King
           is
           bound
           by
           his
           O●th
           ,
           with
           the
           〈◊〉
           of
           his
           people
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           to
           make
           remedie
           and
           〈…〉
           the
           mischiefs
           and
           damm●g●s
           which
           happen
           to
           this
           Realme
           ,
           and
           the
           King
           doth
           not
           deny
           it
           ,
           
             C●llect
             of
             Declarations
             ,
             p.
             229.
             
             L●t
             this
             suffice
             as
             answer
             to
             your
             third
             Querie
             .
          
        
         
           
             Your
             fourth
             Que●ie
             is
             this
             ,
          
           Wheth●r
           ●ee
           
             (
             viz.
             the
             King
             )
          
           be
           present
           as
           a
           distinct
           Estate
           ,
           if
           so
           ,
           if
           one
           distinct
           Estate
           may
           bee
           present
           in
           power
           
             quatenus
             ,
          
           an
           Estate
           ,
           and
           absent
           in
           person
           ,
           m●y
           not
           a
           second
           Estat●
           be
           so
           present
           ,
           though
           absent
           in
           body
           ;
           yea
           ,
           a
           third
           Estate
           s●
           present
           ,
           and
           yet
           absent
           in
           body
           ;
           and
           so
           we
           shall
           have
           the
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           and
           not
           a
           man
           amongst
           them
           ;
           this
           is
           a
           Riddle
           ind●ed
           Mr.
           
             Bellamie
             ,
          
           I
           pray
           you
           unfold
           this
           also
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           At
           your
           request
           ●e
           undertake
           the
           taske
           ;
           your
           owne
           words
           grant
           ,
           that
           ●s
           well
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           as
           in
           all
           his
           inferiour
           Courts
           of
           Justice
           ,
           
             the
             King
             is
             present
             in
             his
             power
             ;
          
           these
           are
           your
           words
           ,
           
             viz.
             I
             know
             Sir
             ,
             hee
             is
             present
             in
             power
             in
             all
             his
             inferiour
             Cou●ts
             of
             Iustice
             ,
             as
             well
             as
             in
             the
             Parliament
             ,
          
           24.
           
           Now
           in
           
             Parliament
          
           there
           is
           no
           power
           but
           the
           power
           of
           the
           three
           Estates
           ,
           
             viz.
             King
             ,
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             Commons
             ;
          
           and
           therefore
           all
           the
           Acts
           that
           are
           en●cted
           by
           the
           power
           of
           
             Parliament
          
           are
           enacted
           by
           the
           power
           of
           the
           three
           Estates
           
             conjunction
             ;
          
           It
           is
           possible
           that
           the
           
             King
          
           may
           withdraw
           his
           person
           from
           the
           
             Parliament
             ,
          
           as
           now
           hee
           hath
           done
           ,
           but
           hee
           can
           never
           withdraw
           his
           power
           ,
           no
           ,
           not
           his
           power
           as
           a
           distinct
           Estate
           ,
           for
           in
           the
           making
           of
           every
           Act
           of
           
             Parliam●nt
             ,
          
           there
           is
           present
           in
           
             Parliament
          
           the
           power
           of
           all
           the
           three
           Estates
           ,
           without
           all
           which
           
             conjunctim
             ,
          
           no
           act
           can
           bee
           made
           .
           But
           there
           is
           an
           Act
           made
           this
           Parliament
           by
           the
           free
           consent
           of
           all
           the
           three
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           that
           this
           Parliament
           shall
           not
           be
           dissolved
           ,
           prorogued
           ,
           or
           adjourned
           without
           the
           consent
           of
           both
           Houses
           of
           Parliament
           first
           had
           and
           obtained
           ,
           
             viz.
             Anno
             17
             Caroli
             Regis
             ,
          
           entituled
           ,
           
             An
             Act
             to
             prevent
             inconveniences
             which
             may
             happen
             by
             the
             untimely
             
             adjourning
             ,
             proroguing
             &
             dissolving
             of
             this
             present
             Parliament
             .
          
           In
           〈◊〉
           Act
           are
           these
           words
           ,
           viz.
           Be
           it
           declared
           and
           enacted
           by
           the
           King
           our
           Soveraigne
           Lord
           ,
           with
           the
           assent
           of
           the
           Lords
           and
           Commons
           in
           this
           present
           Parliament
           assembled
           ,
           and
           by
           the
           authority
           of
           the
           same
           ,
           That
           this
           present
           Parliament
           now
           assembled
           ,
           shall
           not
           bee
           dissolved
           ,
           unlesse
           it
           be
           by
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           to
           bee
           passed
           for
           that
           purpose
           ,
           nor
           shall
           b●e
           at
           any
           time
           or
           times
           during
           the
           Continuance
           thereof
           ,
           prorogued
           or
           adjourned
           ,
           unl●sse
           it
           be
           by
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           to
           be
           likewise
           passed
           for
           that
           purpose
           .
        
         
           Now
           then
           thus
           I
           argue
           ,
           if
           at
           the
           passing
           of
           this
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           there
           was
           present
           the
           power
           of
           all
           the
           three
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           
             viz.
             King
             ,
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             Commons
             ,
          
           and
           by
           vertue
           of
           this
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           the
           Parliament
           cannot
           be
           dissolved
           ,
           prorogued
           ,
           or
           adjourned
           ,
           unlesse
           it
           be
           by
           act
           of
           Parliament
           to
           bee
           passed
           for
           that
           purpose
           ,
           then
           the
           power
           of
           all
           the
           three
           Estates
           ,
           
             viz.
             King
             ,
             Lords
          
           and
           
             Commons
          
           must
           needs
           continue
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           till
           by
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           to
           be
           passed
           for
           that
           purpose
           this
           Parliament
           bee
           dissolved
           ,
           prorogued
           ,
           or
           adjourned
           .
        
         
           But
           at
           the
           passing
           of
           this
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           there
           was
           present
           the
           power
           of
           all
           the
           three
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           
             viz.
             King
             ,
             Lords
          
           and
           
             Commons
             ,
             (
             vide
             the
             Act
             〈◊〉
             supra
             )
          
           and
           by
           vertue
           of
           this
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           the
           Parliament
           cannot
           be
           dissolved
           ,
           prorogued
           ,
           or
           adjourned
           ,
           unlesse
           it
           be
           by
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           to
           be
           passed
           for
           that
           purpose
           ,
           
             vide
          
           also
           the
           Act
           
             〈◊〉
             supra
             .
          
        
         
           Therefore
           the
           Power
           of
           all
           the
           three
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           
             viz.
             King
             ,
             Lords
          
           and
           
             Commons
          
           must
           needs
           continue
           in
           Parliament
           till
           by
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           to
           bee
           passed
           for
           that
           purpose
           ,
           this
           Parliament
           be
           dissolved
           ,
           prorogued
           ,
           or
           adjourned
           .
        
         
           
             And
             thus
             the
             particular
             by
             me
             affirmed
             ,
             is
             clearly
             proved
             ,
          
           viz.
           That
           though
           the
           person
           of
           the
           King
           bee
           absent
           from
           the
           Parliament
           ,
           yet
           the
           power
           of
           the
           King
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           as
           one
           of
           the
           three
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           is
           present
           with
           the
           Parliament
           .
        
         
           I
           now
           come
           briefly
           to
           the
           second
           part
           of
           your
           Querie
           ,
           and
           will
           endeavour
           herein
           ,
           (
           as
           you
           call
           it
           )
           to
           unfold
           your
           Riddle
           ▪
           the
           other
           two
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           
             viz.
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             Commons
             ,
          
           cannot
           be
           absent
           from
           the
           Parliament
           ,
           neither
           in
           power
           ,
           nor
           ye●
           in
           person
           :
           thus
           farre
           ●e
           grant
           you
           ,
           that
           many
           of
           the
           members
           of
           either
           House
           may
           bee
           absent
           from
           either
           of
           their
           respective
           Houses
           ,
           and
           yet
           the
           two
           Estates
           of
           Parliament
           continue
           entire
           
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           for
           there
           must
           be
           at
           least
           three
           Lords
           present
           in
           the
           House
           of
           Lords
           to
           make
           it
           a
           House
           ,
           and
           so
           an
           Estate
           in
           Parliament
           ;
           and
           forty
           Commons
           with
           the
           Speaker
           ,
           in
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           to
           make
           it
           an
           House
           ,
           and
           so
           an
           Estate
           in
           Parliament
           ;
           and
           therefore
           there
           cannot
           bee
           ,
           as
           you
           affirme
           ,
           three
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           and
           not
           a
           man
           amongst
           them
           ;
           and
           this
           I
           give
           as
           an
           answer
           to
           your
           fourth
           Querie
           ,
           and
           if
           you
           please
           ,
           you
           may
           also
           let
           it
           passe
           for
           the
           unfolding
           of
           your
           Riddle
           .
        
         
           
             In
             the
             ●ifth
             place
             ,
             in
             page
             24.
             you
             have
             these
             words
             ,
          
           viz.
           The
           Replyer
           observing
           the
           Remonstran
           s●ascribing
           onely
           a
           share
           of
           the
           supreme
           Power
           to
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           proposeth
           this
           Question
           to
           them
           ;
           Will
           not
           you
           allow
           so
           much
           power
           to
           the
           Kingdome
           representative
           ,
           in
           r●ference
           to
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           as
           to
           the
           representative
           City
           ,
           in
           reference
           to
           London
           ?
           
             And
             then
             you
             come
             to
             your
             fifth
             Querie
             in
             these
             following
             words
             ,
          
           viz.
           And
           so
           doe
           I
           Querie
           ,
           will
           not
           the
           Commons
           of
           London
           yeeld
           or
           ascribe
           unto
           the
           Commons
           of
           England
           ,
           as
           the
           Commons
           of
           London
           to
           themselves
           will
           ascribe
           ?
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           pray
           ma●k
           the
           termes
           of
           your
           Querie
           ,
           for
           methinks
           it
           is
           a
           little
           defective
           ;
           you
           say
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             London
             ,
          
           not
           the
           Common-Councell
           ,
           but
           as
           you
           propose
           your
           Querie
           ,
           I
           answer
           affirmatively
           ,
           that
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             London
          
           will
           yeeld
           and
           ascribe
           unto
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           as
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             London
          
           to
           themselves
           will
           ascribe
           ;
           but
           I
           say
           again
           ,
           observe
           your
           termes
           ,
           you
           say
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             London
             ,
          
           not
           the
           Common-Councell
           ;
           I
           shall
           pres●ntly
           shew
           you
           the
           difference
           ,
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             London
          
           are
           not
           the
           City
           representative
           ,
           but
           the
           Common-councell
           ,
           (
           which
           doth
           consist
           of
           the
           Lord
           Major
           ,
           Aldermen
           ,
           and
           Commons
           )
           is
           the
           City
           representative
           .
        
         
           
             Then
             you
             goe
             on
             in
             these
             words
             ,
          
           viz.
           Therefore
           Mr.
           
             Bellamie
          
           to
           make
           your
           absurdities
           the
           better
           appeare
           ,
           in
           your
           parallel
           between
           the
           Kingdome
           representative
           ,
           and
           the
           City
           representative
           ,
           I
           come
           upon
           you
           thus
           ;
        
         
           First
           ,
           you
           grant
           that
           the
           Common-Councell
           is
           the
           City
           representative
           ,
           
             page
             2
             of
             your
             Vindication
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           grant
           it
           .
        
         
           Secondly
           ,
           you
           grant
           that
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           in
           Parliament
           assembled
           ,
           is
           the
           Kingdom
           representative
           ,
           
             in
             the
             same
             page
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           grant
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           in
           Parliament
           assembled
           ,
           
           to
           be
           the
           Kingdome
           representative
           in
           that
           sense
           in
           which
           in
           page
           2
           of
           my
           Vindication
           ,
           I
           said
           it
           was
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           as
           it
           is
           made
           up
           of
           and
           chosen
           by
           the
           Kingdome
           collective
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           the
           Commons
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           whom
           in
           Parliament
           it
           onely
           represents
           ,
           and
           therefore
           onely
           can
           be
           the
           representative
           body
           of
           them
           ,
           and
           accordingly
           in
           all
           their
           addresses
           to
           the
           House
           of
           Lords
           ,
           they
           goe
           in
           their
           owne
           names
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           names
           of
           all
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             England
             ;
          
           and
           desiring
           the
           concurrence
           of
           the
           House
           of
           Lords
           in
           any
           Act
           ,
           they
           desire
           it
           in
           their
           owne
           names
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           names
           of
           all
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           of
           whom
           they
           onely
           are
           a
           representation
           ,
           or
           whom
           they
           doe
           represent
           ,
           and
           in
           that
           sense
           I
           expressed
           it
           in
           page
           4
           ,
           where
           I
           called
           the
           Kingdome
           collective
           ,
           the
           body
           of
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           not
           the
           body
           of
           the
           Kingdom
           of
           
             England
             ;
          
           And
           as
           this
           representative
           body
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           ,
           is
           one
           of
           the
           three
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           so
           also
           in
           that
           page
           I
           called
           it
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           in
           Parliament
           assembled
           ,
           but
           I
           called
           it
           not
           the
           Parliament
           ;
           so
           the
           Lords
           are
           called
           the
           House
           of
           Lords
           in
           Parliament
           assembled
           ,
           but
           no
           man
           cals
           tha●
           House
           the
           Parliament
           .
           Likewise
           the
           Lords
           and
           Commons
           joyning
           together
           in
           any
           one
           Act
           ,
           as
           ,
           in
           the
           last
           Propositions
           sent
           to
           His
           Majesty
           ,
           it
           is
           said
           to
           be
           agreed
           by
           both
           Houses
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           as
           in
           Article
           1
           ,
           5
           ,
           6
           ,
           12
           ,
           &c.
           it
           appeareth
           ,
           but
           it
           is
           not
           said
           to
           be
           agreed
           by
           Parliament
           ,
           for
           it
           had
           been
           so
           agreed
           ,
           why
           then
           is
           the
           Kings
           assent
           to
           these
           Propositions
           prayed
           for
           by
           both
           Hous●s
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           as
           in
           the
           Proem
           to
           the
           said
           Propositions
           in
           these
           words
           it
           doth
           appeare
           ?
           
             Viz.
             
          
        
         
           
             May
             it
             please
             your
             Majesty
             ,
          
           
             Wee
             the
             Lords
             and
             Commons
             assembled
             in
             the
             Parliament
             of
             
               England
               ,
            
             in
             the
             name
             ,
             and
             on
             the
             behalfe
             of
             the
             Kingdoms
             of
             
               England
            
             and
             
               Ireland
               ,
            
             and
             the
             Commissioners
             of
             the
             Parliament
             of
             
               Scotland
               ,
            
             in
             the
             name
             ,
             and
             on
             the
             behalfe
             of
             the
             Kingdome
             of
             
               Scotland
               ,
            
             Doe
             humbly
             present
             unto
             your
             Majesty
             ,
             the
             humble
             desires
             and
             Propositions
             for
             a
             safe
             and
             wel-grounded
             Peace
             ,
             agreed
             upon
             by
             the
             Parliaments
             of
             both
             Kingdomes
             respectively
             ,
             unto
             which
             we
             do
             pray
             your
             Majesties
             assent
             ,
             and
             that
             they
             ,
             and
             all
             such
             as
             shall
             bee
             tendred
             to
             your
             Majesty
             in
             pursuance
             of
             them
             ,
             or
             any
             of
             them
             ,
             may
             bee
             established
             and
             enacted
             for
             Statutes
             and
             Acts
             of
             Parliament
             by
             your
             Majesties
             Royall
             assent
             in
             the
             Parliaments
             of
             both
             Kingdoms
             respectively
             .
          
        
         
         
           You
           might
           also
           have
           observed
           in
           the
           same
           page
           ,
           that
           when
           I
           come
           to
           speake
           of
           making
           Laws
           ,
           which
           is
           the
           worke
           of
           the
           Parliament
           ,
           and
           not
           of
           any
           particular
           Estate
           alone
           in
           Parliament
           ;
           I
           there
           say
           in
           expresse
           termes
           ,
           the
           Kingdome
           representative
           ,
           which
           is
           the
           Parliament
           .
        
         
           And
           sure
           no
           man
           could
           possibly
           imagine
           that
           my
           expression
           should
           be
           taken
           in
           any
           other
           consideration
           ;
           for
           I
           did
           all
           along
           in
           the
           14
           ,
           15
           ,
           1●
           ,
           17
           ,
           18
           pages
           of
           my
           Vindication
           also
           hold
           out
           this
           truth
           ,
           that
           there
           was
           three
           distinct
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           
             viz.
             the
             King
             ,
             the
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             the
             Commons
             ,
          
           and
           doe
           you
           thinke
           that
           it
           was
           probable
           or
           possible
           that
           I
           should
           meane
           ,
           that
           one
           of
           the
           thee●
           Estates
           in
           Parliament
           ,
           should
           be
           a
           representation
           of
           all
           the
           three
           ?
        
         
           Thirdly
           ,
           you
           say
           ,
           the
           City
           representative
           hath
           a
           power
           to
           make
           a
           Law
           for
           those
           whom
           it
           represents
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           grant
           this
           too
           .
        
         
           
             Then
             you
             thus
             goe
             on
             ,
          
           viz.
           Fourthly
           ,
           I
           desire
           to
           know
           whether
           you
           allow
           the
           Kingdom
           representative
           the
           same
           power
           to
           make
           a
           Law
           for
           those
           whom
           it
           represents
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           crave
           your
           favour
           and
           patience
           before
           you
           goe
           any
           further
           to
           present
           you
           in
           this
           place
           with
           these
           two
           following
           considerations
           :
        
         
           First
           ,
           that
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           ,
           all
           the
           members
           thereof
           be●●ing
           chosen
           by
           the
           collective
           body
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           the
           Commons
           ,
           are
           in
           that
           respect
           ,
           and
           in
           that
           sense
           truly
           the
           representative
           body
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           of
           the
           Commons
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           and
           so
           have
           in
           them
           in
           this
           consideration
           ,
           the
           full
           Legislative
           power
           of
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             England
             .
          
        
         
           Secondly
           ,
           I
           pray
           also
           consider
           ,
           that
           though
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           have
           in
           them
           the
           full
           Legislative
           power
           of
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           yet
           the
           whole
           Legislative
           power
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           is
           not
           concentred
           in
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           but
           is
           ,
           (
           as
           hath
           before
           been
           fully
           proved
           )
           in
           the
           three
           Estates
           of
           
             the
             King
             ,
             the
             Lords
             ,
          
           and
           
             the
             Commons
             of
             England
             conjunctim
             ,
          
           and
           therefore
           no
           one
           Estate
           alone
           ,
           and
           by
           its
           selfe
           can
           make
           a
           Law
           ;
           but
           to
           the
           making
           of
           every
           Law
           in
           the
           Kingdome
           of
           
             England
          
           there
           must
           be
           the
           concurrent
           consent
           of
           all
           these
           three
           Estates
           
             conjunctim
             .
          
        
         
           And
           this
           as
           I
           humbly
           conceive
           ,
           makes
           a
           cleare
           way
           to
           give
           an
           answer
           to
           your
           Querie
           ,
           
             viz.
             Whether
             you
             allow
             the
             Kingdom
             representative
             
             (
             viz.
          
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           )
           
             the
             same
             power
             to
             make
             a
             Law
             for
             those
             whom
             i●
             represents
             ,
          
           and
           the
           answer
           will
           bee
           this
           ;
           It
           hath
           in
           it
           the
           full
           
             legislative
          
           power
           of
           
             the
             Commons
             of
             England
             ,
          
           whom
           
             in
             Parliament
          
           it
           doth
           represent
           ,
           but
           it
           hath
           not
           in
           it
           the
           full
           
             legislative
             power
             of
             the
             kingdome
             of
             England
             ,
          
           it
           hath
           in
           it
           all
           the
           power
           of
           
             the
             Commons
             of
             England
          
           towards
           the
           making
           of
           a
           Law
           ,
           but
           it
           must
           have
           the
           concurrent
           consent
           of
           the
           other
           two
           Estates
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           of
           
             the
             King
             ,
          
           and
           of
           
             the
             Lords
          
           to
           the
           full
           consummating
           of
           a
           Law
           ,
           and
           making
           it
           obligatory
           to
           
             the
             Kingdome
             of
             England
             .
          
        
         
           And
           besides
           ,
           that
           it
           is
           thus
           setled
           by
           the
           fundamentall
           Constitution
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           I
           humbly
           also
           conceive
           that
           there
           is
           just
           reason
           for
           it
           too
           ,
           and
           that
           not
           onely
           from
           the
           relation
           which
           these
           three
           Estates
           have
           one
           to
           another
           ,
           but
           also
           because
           of
           that
           interest
           which
           one
           Estate
           hath
           in
           another
           .
        
         
           
             The
          
           King
           being
           no
           otherwise
           King
           of
           England
           ,
           but
           with
           relation
           to
           
             the
             subjects
             of
             England
             ,
          
           and
           so
           he
           hath
           an
           interest
           in
           them
           ,
           and
           they
           are
           his
           
             liege
             ,
          
           that
           is
           ,
           his
           lawfull
           Subjects
           ,
           or
           ,
           his
           Subjects
           according
           to
           the
           Law
           .
           And
           likewise
           
             the
             Lords
          
           and
           
             Commons
             of
             England
             ,
          
           are
           no
           otherwise
           
             Subjects
             of
             England
             ,
          
           but
           with
           relation
           to
           
             the
             King
             ,
          
           as
           hee
           is
           
             the
             King
             of
             England
             ,
          
           in
           whom
           also
           they
           have
           the
           like
           reciprocall
           interest
           ,
           and
           so
           he
           is
           their
           
             liege
             ,
             our
             lawfull
             Soveraigne
             ,
             or
             their
             King
             according
             to
             the
             Law
             ,
          
           and
           thus
           runs
           the
           formes
           of
           our
           Laws
           ,
           
             viz.
             Bee
             it
             enacted
             by
             the
             King
             our
             Soveraigne
             Lord
             ,
             with
             the
             assent
             of
             the
             Lords
             and
             Commons
             in
             this
             present
             Parliament
             Assembled
             .
          
           But
           the
           City
           of
           
             London
          
           by
           the
           Charter
           of
           
             Edw.
          
           3.
           in
           the
           15
           yeare
           of
           his
           Reigne
           ,
           hath
           a
           power
           granted
           
             to
             the
             Major
             ,
             and
             Aldermen
             ,
             and
             their
             successors
             ,
             with
             the
             assent
             of
             the
             Commonalty
             ,
             to
             make
             lawes
             for
             the
             common
             profit
             of
             the
             Citizens
             of
             the
             same
             City
             ;
          
           by
           vertue
           of
           which
           grant
           ,
           
             the
             Lord
             ,
             Major
             ,
             Aldermen
             ,
             and
             Commons
             in
             Court
             of
             Common-Councell
             assembled
             ,
          
           being
           therin
           as
           one
           entire
           Court
           ,
           
             the
             representative
             Body
             of
             the
             City
             ,
          
           doe
           to
           this
           day
           make
           Laws
           ,
           which
           are
           alwayes
           binding
           to
           the
           Citizens
           of
           the
           same
           City
           .
           And
           there
           is
           no
           other
           consent
           required
           to
           the
           consummation
           of
           these
           Laws
           ,
           but
           the
           sole
           and
           onely
           authority
           of
           this
           Court
           ,
           and
           therefore
           all
           our
           Acts
           of
           
             Common-councell
          
           are
           made
           in
           the
           joint
           names
           of
           the
           
             Lord
             Major
             ,
             Aldermen
             ,
             and
             Commons
             in
             the
             Court
             of
             Common-councell
             assembled
             ,
          
           and
           by
           the
           authority
           thereof
           ;
           and
           in
           the
           addition
           of
           any
           branch
           in
           an
           act
           of
           
             Common
             councell
          
           it
           is
           still
           thus
           
           exprest
           ,
           
             It
             is
             by
             this
             Court
             further
             Ordered
             ,
             &c.
             
             Or
             this
             Court
             doth
             further
             Order
             ,
             &c.
          
           which
           doth
           fully
           prove
           that
           all
           the
           power
           of
           making
           or
           altering
           ,
           or
           adding
           to
           the
           City
           lawes
           ,
           rests
           wholly
           and
           alone
           in
           the
           body
           of
           that
           one
           
             Court
             of
             Common-councell
             ,
          
           or
           the
           greater
           number
           of
           them
           ,
           which
           doth
           alwayes
           consist
           of
           
             the
             Lord
             Major
             ,
             Aldermen
             ,
             and
             Commons
             ,
          
           but
           all
           the
           power
           of
           making
           or
           repealing
           ,
           or
           adding
           to
           the
           
             lawes
             of
             the
             kingdome
             ,
          
           doth
           not
           rest
           wholly
           and
           alone
           in
           
             the
             House
             of
             Commons
             ,
          
           but
           the
           concurrent
           consent
           of
           the
           other
           two
           Estates
           ,
           
             viz.
             the
             King
             ,
          
           and
           
             the
             Lords
             ,
          
           is
           necessarily
           required
           to
           this
           of
           
             the
             Commons
             ,
          
           for
           making
           or
           repealing
           of
           
             the
             Laws
             of
             the
             Kingdome
             .
          
           And
           thus
           I
           hope
           I
           have
           answered
           your
           first
           head
           of
           Queries
           arising
           from
           that
           question
           ,
           
             viz.
             wherein
             resides
             the
             Supreme
             power
             of
             the
             Kingdome
             .
          
        
         
           I
           shall
           now
           likewise
           endeavour
           to
           give
           a
           solution
           to
           your
           Argument
           ,
           and
           all
           the
           satisfaction
           I
           can
           to
           the
           second
           head
           of
           your
           Queries
           .
        
         
           
             For
             a
             foundation
             to
             build
             your
             Arguments
             upon
             ,
             you
             produce
             an
             Argument
             of
             mine
             out
             of
             my
             Book
             ,
             entit●led
             ,
          
           A
           Plea
           for
           the
           Commonalty
           of
           London
           ,
           thus
           it
           is
           ,
           That
           Court
           which
           hath
           a
           power
           to
           make
           a
           law
           ,
           and
           by
           that
           law
           to
           conferre
           a
           power
           upon
           the
           Lord
           Major
           and
           Aldermen
           ,
           which
           as
           Lord
           Major
           and
           Aldermen
           they
           had
           not
           before
           ,
           must
           needs
           bee
           
             quoad
             hoe
             ,
          
           as
           unto
           the
           making
           of
           a
           law
           ,
           above
           the
           Lord
           Major
           and
           Aldermen
           .
        
         
           But
           this
           Court
           of
           Common-councell
           hath
           ,
           &c.
           
           
             Ergo
             ,
          
           this
           Court
           of
           Common-councell
           so
           farre
           as
           to
           the
           making
           of
           a
           Law
           must
           needs
           bee
           above
           the
           Lord
           Major
           and
           Aldermen
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           I
           owne
           the
           Argument
           ,
           and
           for
           confirmation
           of
           what
           I
           t●●re
           affirmed
           concerning
           the
           power
           of
           
             the
             Court
             of
             Common-councell
             ,
          
           I
           made
           it
           good
           ,
           and
           proved
           it
           
             d●
             facto
             ,
          
           by
           an
           act
           of
           
             Common-councel
          
           made
           in
           the
           sixth
           yeare
           of
           
             Hen.
          
           7.
           upon
           the
           15
           of
           
             Aprill
             ,
          
           concerning
           the
           
             choice
             of
             the
             Chamberlaine
             of
          
           London
           ,
           
             and
             the
             Bridge-masters
             of
             the
             City
             ,
          
           as
           by
           reference
           to
           the
           said
           Book
           appeareth
           ,
           and
           I
           would
           willingly
           see
           what
           you
           have
           to
           say
           against
           it
           .
        
         
           But
           upon
           this
           in
           your
           25
           page
           you
           thus
           argue
           :
        
         
           That
           Court
           which
           hath
           the
           power
           to
           make
           a
           law
           ,
           and
           by
           that
           law
           ,
           to
           conferre
           a
           power
           upon
           the
           King
           ,
           and
           Lords
           ,
           which
           as
           King
           and
           Lords
           they
           had
           not
           before
           ,
           must
           needs
           be
           
             quoad
             hoc
          
           unto
           the
           making
           of
           a
           law
           ,
           above
           the
           King
           and
           Lord
           .
        
         
         
           But
           the
           House
           of
           C●mmon●
           ,
           which
           say
           you
           
             (
             speaking
             of
             mee
             )
          
           is
           the
           kingdome
           representative
           ,
           even
           as
           the
           Common-councell
           is
           the
           City
           representative
           upon
           your
           suppos●tion
           ,
           hath
           a
           power
           ,
           &c.
           
           
             Ergo
             ,
          
           the
           House
           of
           Commons
           ,
           so
           far
           as
           unto
           the
           making
           of
           a
           law
           ,
           must
           needs
           bee
           above
           the
           King
           and
           Lords
           .
        
         
           But
           I
           pray
           you
           tell
           me
           ,
           is
           there
           no
           difference
           between
           the
           Court
           of
           Common-councell
           ,
           and
           the
           Commons
           in
           Common-councel
           ?
           I
           told
           you
           even
           now
           in
           page
           42
           that
           the
           Lord
           Major
           ,
           Aldermen
           ,
           and
           Commons
           in
           Common-councell
           assembled
           being
           therein
           one
           entire
           Court
           ,
           are
           the
           representative
           body
           of
           the
           City
           ,
           I
           never
           said
           the
           Commons
           in
           that
           Court
           were
           so
           ;
           and
           if
           you
           had
           been
           pleased
           to
           have
           perused
           that
           Booke
           of
           mine
           you
           cite
           to
           this
           purpose
           ,
           and
           out
           of
           which
           you
           take
           my
           argument
           ,
           
             viz.
             The
             Ple●
             for
             the
             Commonalty
             of
             London
             ,
          
           in
           page
           10.
           where
           I
           instance
           in
           four
           severall
           acts
           of
           that
           Court
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           the
           removing
           of
           Deputy
           
             Ald●n
          
           from
           the
           Court
           ,
           Mr.
           
             Iohn
             Wilde
          
           from
           being
           Town
           Clerk
           ,
           Mr.
           
             Tho.
             
             Wiseman
          
           from
           being
           the
           City
           Remembrancer
           ,
           and
           divers
           Aldermens
           Deputies
           from
           their
           places
           of
           Deputyship
           ,
           you
           might
           there
           have
           found
           that
           I
           thus
           conclude
           it
           ,
           
             viz.
             And
             all
             this
             by
             the
             joint
             and
             concurrent
             power
             of
             the
             Lord
             Major
             ,
             Aldermen
             ,
             and
             Commons
             in
             this
             Common-councell
             assembled
             .
          
        
         
           And
           what
           though
           the
           
             Court
             of
             Common-councell
             ,
          
           which
           alwayes
           consisteth
           of
           
             the
             Lord
             Major
             ,
             Aldermen
             ,
             and
             Commons
             ,
          
           have
           a
           power
           to
           conferre
           upon
           the
           
             Lord
             Major
             and
             Aldermen
          
           that
           power
           ,
           which
           as
           
             Lord
             Major
             and
             Aldermen
          
           they
           had
           not
           before
           (
           as
           I
           fully
           proved
           ,
           and
           therefore
           without
           the
           least
           mutation
           am
           still
           of
           the
           same
           mind
           )
           and
           in
           that
           respect
           ,
           as
           unto
           the
           making
           of
           a
           Law
           are
           above
           the
           
             Lord
             M●jor
          
           and
           
             Aldermen
             ,
          
           as
           the
           whole
           is
           above
           a
           part●
           But
           will
           it
           hence
           follow
           that
           
             the
             Commons
             in
             Common-councell
          
           alone
           and
           by
           themselves
           ,
           have
           either
           this
           power
           to
           conferre
           a
           power
           upon
           
             the
             Lord
             Major
             and
             Aldermen
             ,
          
           which
           as
           
             Lord
             Major
             and
             Aldermen
          
           they
           had
           not
           before
           ,
           or
           that
           they
           are
           above
           them
           ▪
           If
           you
           will
           argue
           from
           my
           assertion
           ,
           bee
           sure
           you
           keep
           my
           terms
           ,
           and
           then
           see
           how
           it
           will
           advantage
           you
           for
           the
           confirmation
           of
           your
           argument
           .
        
         
           I
           grounded
           this
           power
           of
           making
           City
           Laws
           from
           the
           Charter
           of
           
             Edw.
          
           3.
           in
           the
           15
           yeare
           of
           his
           Reigne
           .
           And
           in
           the
           same
           Book
           of
           mine
           ,
           out
           of
           which
           you
           took
           my
           argument
           ,
           you
           might
           also
           
           have
           had
           my
           authority
           for
           it
           ,
           it
           is
           in
           page
           7
           in
           these
           words
           ,
           
             Wee
             have
             granted
             further
             for
             us
             and
             our
             heires
             ,
             and
             by
             this
             our
             present
             Charter
             confirmed
             to
             the
             Major
             and
             Aldermen
             of
             the
             City
             aforesaid
             ,
             that
             if
             any
             customes
             in
             the
             said
             City
             hitherto
             obtained
             and
             used
             ,
             be
             in
             any
             part
             difficult
             or
             defective
             ,
             or
             any
             thing
             in
             the
             same
             newly
             happening
             ,
             where
             before
             there
             was
             no
             remedy
             ordained
             ,
             and
             have
             need
             of
             amending
             ,
             the
             same
             Major
             and
             Ald●rmen
             and
             their
             successors
             ,
             with
             the
             assent
             of
             the
             Commonalty
             of
             the
             same
             City
             ,
             may
             adde
             and
             ordaine
             a
             remedy
             meet
             ,
             faithfull
             ,
             and
             consonant
             to
             reason
             ,
             for
             the
             common
             profit
             of
             the
             Citizens
             of
             the
             same
             City
             ,
             as
             oft
             ,
             and
             at
             such
             time
             as
             to
             them
             shall
             be
             thought
             expedient
             ,
          
           which
           Charter
           was
           confi●med
           by
           act
           of
           Parliament
           43
           yeares
           after
           ,
           in
           the
           7
           of
           
             Rich.
          
           2
           ▪
           Now
           if
           you
           can
           produce
           the
           like
           authority
           granted
           alone
           to
           
             the
             House
             of
             Commons
          
           by
           
             the
             Parliament
             ,
          
           that
           they
           of
           themselves
           ,
           without
           the
           consent
           of
           
             the
             King
          
           and
           
             the
             Lords
             ,
          
           have
           power
           to
           make
           lawes
           for
           the
           
             Kingdome
             ,
          
           as
           by
           this
           Charter
           the
           Lord
           Major
           ,
           Aldermen
           ,
           and
           their
           successors
           ,
           with
           the
           assent
           of
           the
           Commons
           of
           
             London
             ,
          
           haue
           for
           the
           City
           ,
           then
           you
           hit
           the
           bu●ines
           a●ight
           indeed
           ,
           but
           otherwise
           I
           thinke
           your
           argument
           is
           not
           true
           :
           And
           therefore
           for
           after
           times
           ,
           let
           me
           advise
           you
           ,
           that
           if
           you
           will
           imitate
           an
           argument
           in
           the
           words
           of
           it
           ,
           be
           sure
           you
           imitate
           it
           also
           in
           the
           proofes
           of
           it
           ,
           and
           let
           them
           be
           as
           full
           and
           cleare
           for
           the
           confirmation
           of
           what
           you
           affirme
           ;
           for
           it
           is
           not
           words
           ,
           though
           never
           so
           smooth
           ,
           that
           proves
           any
           thing
           in
           matters
           of
           fact
           ,
           as
           this
           is
           :
           And
           truly
           ,
           should
           I
           have
           laid
           down
           that
           argument
           to
           prove
           the
           power
           of
           
             the
             Court
             of
             Common-councell
             ,
          
           as
           unto
           the
           making
           of
           
             City
             laws
          
           to
           bee
           above
           the
           
             Lord
             Major
             ,
          
           and
           
             Aldermen
             ,
          
           and
           not
           have
           proved
           it
           
             de
             facto
             ,
          
           by
           the
           acts
           of
           the
           
             Court
             of
             Common-councell
             ,
          
           I
           should
           have
           thought
           it
           at
           least
           to
           have
           been
           a
           
             scandalum
             Magnatum
             ,
          
           against
           the
           Lord
           Major
           and
           Aldermen
           ,
           and
           very
           blame-worthy
           in
           my selfe
           to
           have
           done
           it
           .
           But
           perhaps
           you
           think
           the
           condition
           of
           
             the
             King
             ,
          
           and
           
             the
             Lords
          
           to
           bee
           such
           ,
           as
           that
           whatever
           you
           speak
           or
           publish
           concerning
           them
           ,
           tending
           to
           the
           annihilating
           
             of
             their
             legislative
             power
             and
             authority
             in
             Parliament
             ,
          
           can
           neither
           be
           an
           offence
           to
           them
           ,
           nor
           a
           fault
           in
           you
           ,
           or
           if
           it
           bee
           ,
           it
           seemes
           you
           regard
           it
           not
           ;
           but
           I
           hope
           you
           will
           not
           take
           it
           amisse
           ,
           if
           ,
           as
           I
           did
           in
           that
           so
           I
           desire
           you
           in
           this
           ,
           either
           to
           produce
           a
           proof
           
             d●
             facto
             ,
          
           to
           make
           good
           that
           the
           
             House
             of
             Commons
          
           hath
           by
           an
           Act
           of
           that
           House
           alone
           conferred
           a
           power
           upon
           the
           
             King
          
           and
           
             Lords
          
           
           as
           
             King
          
           and
           
             Lords
          
           they
           had
           not
           before
           ,
           which
           are
           the
           very
           word●
           of
           your
           argument
           ,
           or
           else
           in
           plaine
           English
           to
           tell
           the
           Reader●
           that
           though
           you
           can
           transcribe
           the
           words
           of
           my
           argument
           ,
           which
           a
           childe
           of
           ten
           yeares
           old
           can
           doe
           as
           well
           as
           you
           ,
           yet
           now
           upon
           second
           thoughts
           you
           must
           needs
           confesse
           you
           come
           very
           short
           in
           a
           parallel
           proofe
           of
           it
           ,
           there
           neither
           now
           being
           ,
           nor
           never
           was
           any
           act
           of
           the
           House
           of
           
             Commons
          
           that
           doth
           prove
           that
           ,
           that
           House
           alone
           and
           by
           it selfe
           did
           ever
           make
           a
           law
           which
           did
           confer
           a
           power
           upon
           the
           
             King
          
           and
           
             Lords
             ,
          
           which
           as
           
             King
          
           and
           
             Lords
          
           they
           had
           not
           before
           ,
           and
           without
           this
           proofe
           ,
           I
           perswade
           my selfe
           no
           man
           will
           beleeve
           ,
           that
           as
           unto
           the
           making
           of
           a
           law
           the
           House
           of
           
             Commons
          
           is
           above
           the
           
             King
          
           and
           
             Lords
             ,
          
           though
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           affirmes
           it
           to
           bee
           so
           .
           And
           this
           I
           give
           not
           onely
           as
           a
           solution
           to
           this
           your
           argument
           ,
           but
           also
           to
           the
           other
           arguments
           which
           follow
           ,
           
             viz.
          
           concerning
           the
           power
           of
           the
           House
           of
           
             Commons
          
           alone
           without
           the
           
             King
          
           and
           
             Lords
          
           to
           repeale
           what
           lawes
           they
           think
           meet
           ,
           and
           to
           make
           laws
           and
           rules
           for
           all
           the
           Courts
           and
           people
           in
           
             England
          
           to
           bee
           steered
           and
           acted
           by
           ,
           and
           whereunto
           (
           say
           you
           )
           the
           
             King
             himselfe
             is
             bound
             by
             his
             Oath
             ,
             and
             therefore
             ought
             in
             duty
             to
             cons●ut
             ;
          
           and
           likewise
           to
           that
           which
           you
           say
           will
           follow
           from
           my
           logick
           ,
           
             viz.
             that
             the
             Kingdome
             representative
             is
             inferiour
             in
             its
             power
             ,
             in
             reference
             to
             the
             government
             of
             the
             Kingdome
             ,
             then
             the
             City
             representative
             is
             in
             reference
             to
             the
             government
             of
             the
             City
             ,
          
           and
           to
           the
           other
           Queries
           which
           you
           ground
           upon
           them
           ,
           for
           they
           all
           alike
           hang
           upon
           this
           string
           ,
           and
           if
           in
           the
           opinion
           of
           the
           Reader
           ,
           to
           whose
           judgement
           I
           referre
           it
           ,
           this
           be
           ●ut
           asunder
           ,
           I
           am
           sure
           they
           must
           all
           then
           needs
           fall
           to
           the
           ground
           ,
           and
           therefore
           I
           shall
           not
           need
           to
           trouble
           my self
           any
           more
           with
           them
           .
        
         
           And
           now
           Mr.
           
             I.
             P.
          
           I
           have
           endeavoured
           with
           all
           the
           candor
           and
           tendernesse
           I
           could
           to
           examine
           your
           Book
           ,
           and
           have
           not
           I
           hope
           ,
           let
           one
           word
           fall
           from
           mee
           ,
           that
           in
           the
           least
           measure
           doth
           reflect
           upon
           your
           person
           ,
           for
           it
           is
           the
           matter
           of
           your
           Book
           ,
           and
           not
           any
           of
           your
           personall
           infirmities
           (
           for
           ,
           alasse
           the
           Lord
           know●
           ,
           I
           have
           work
           more
           then
           enough
           to
           meddle
           with
           ,
           and
           to
           master
           my
           own
           )
           or
           other
           your
           supposed
           errors
           in
           matters
           of
           Religion
           that
           I
           encounter
           with
           .
           And
           if
           we
           cannot
           yet
           agree
           in
           this
           present
           difference
           and
           debate
           ,
           my
           earnest
           desire
           is
           ,
           and
           I
           trust
           ●y
           endeavour
           shall
           for
           ●ver
           be
           answerable
           thereunto
           ,
           that
           wee
           may
           
           manage
           the
           matter
           with
           that
           sweet
           moderation
           and
           temper
           of
           Spirit
           as
           becommeth
           Christians
           ,
           for
           of
           this
           I
           am
           confident
           ,
           that
           though
           through
           weaknesse
           or
           error
           in
           judgement
           ,
           perhaps
           mine
           ,
           not
           yours
           ,
           we
           cannot
           agree
           together
           to
           live
           in
           one
           Church
           fellowship
           or
           communion
           here
           upon
           earth
           ,
           yet
           we
           shall
           for
           ever
           mutually
           enjoy
           communion
           and
           fellowship
           with
           God
           the
           Father
           ,
           with
           Christ
           ,
           with
           the
           blessed
           Spirit
           ,
           three
           Persons
           in
           one
           Essence
           ,
           and
           with
           the
           holy
           Angels
           ,
           and
           the
           glorified
           Saints
           for
           ever
           in
           heaven
           .
           And
           therefore
           I
           beseech
           you
           while
           we
           yet
           live
           here
           in
           this
           vale
           of
           teares
           ,
           let
           us
           remember
           and
           obey
           that
           counsell
           the
           Apostle
           gives
           us
           ,
           
             Philip
             .
             3.
             15
             ,
             16.
             
             Let
             us
             therefore
             ,
             as
             many
             as
             bee
             perfect
             bée
             thus
             minded
             ,
             and
             if
             in
             any
             thing
             you
             bee
             otherwise
             minded
             ,
             God
             shall
             reveale
             even
             this
             unto
             you
             ;
             neverthelesse
             ,
             whereunto
             we
             have
             already
             attained
             let
             us
             walke
             by
             the
             same
             rule
             ,
             let
             us
             mind
             the
             same
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           I
           shall
           gladly
           imbrace
           and
           entertaine
           any
           truth
           of
           God
           ,
           which
           shall
           by
           you
           bee
           held
           forth
           unto
           mee
           with
           the
           warrant
           of
           his
           Word
           ,
           and
           as
           willingly
           leave
           and
           forsake
           whatever
           either
           in
           opinion
           or
           practice
           I
           now
           hold
           or
           doe
           that
           shall
           bee
           made
           apparent
           to
           be
           dissonant
           thereto
           ;
           for
           I
           solemnly
           professe
           unto
           you
           ,
           that
           I
           labour
           not
           for
           Masteries
           ,
           neither
           desire
           I
           to
           give
           the
           last
           blow
           ,
           I
           esteem
           it
           no
           shame
           to
           be
           conquered
           ,
           when
           Christ
           proves
           the
           Victor
           ,
           nor
           no
           losse
           to
           bee
           vanquished
           when
           the
           Truth
           prevailes
           ,
           for
           it's
           verity
           ,
           not
           victory
           that
           shall
           be
           my
           comfort
           .
        
         
           
             A
             POSTSCRIPT
             .
          
           
             I
             Have
             at
             this
             time
             no
             more
             to
             say
             ,
             either
             to
             your selfe
             ,
             or
             to
             your
             Book
             ,
             but
             in
             one
             word
             to
             let
             the
             Reader
             know
             ,
             that
             my
             desire
             and
             endevour
             to
             afford
             you
             all
             the
             faire
             quarter
             that
             possibly
             I
             could
             in
             this
             our
             Conflict
             about
             this
             Subject
             ,
             was
             such
             ,
             That
             I
             did
             upon
             Saturday
             the
             8
             of
             this
             instant
             
               August
               ,
            
             in
             the
             presence
             of
             Mr.
             
               Samuel
               Clarke
            
             Pastor
             of
             
               Bennet
               Fynck
               ,
               London
               ,
            
             and
             of
             Mr.
             
               Iames
               Story
               ,
            
             and
             Mr.
             
               Henry
               Overton
               ,
            
             two
             of
             yours
             ,
             and
             of
             my
             owne
             acquaintance
             ,
             shew
             you
             in
             Writing
             this
             my
             Justification
             of
             the
             City
             Remonstrance
             and
             its
             Vindication
             ,
             before
             ever
             I
             tendered
             it
             either
             to
             be
             Licensed
             ,
             or
             Printed
             ,
             and
             desired
             you
             to
             peruse
             
             it
             ,
             and
             if
             there
             was
             any
             thing
             in
             it
             either
             for
             matter
             of
             Fact
             ,
             or
             otherwise
             ,
             that
             you
             could
             justly
             except
             against
             ,
             I
             would
             expunge
             it
             ,
             and
             it
             should
             never
             see
             the
             light
             ;
             And
             when
             you
             would
             not
             accept
             of
             that
             offer
             ,
             I
             then
             read
             some
             passages
             in
             the
             Epistle
             to
             you
             which
             I
             told
             you
             ,
             that
             in
             my
             apprehension
             ,
             they
             were
             the
             things
             which
             most
             nearly
             concerned
             your
             Person
             ;
             this
             I
             did
             to
             manifest
             my
             unwillingnesse
             to
             let
             any
             thing
             passe
             from
             mee
             ,
             that
             might
             bee
             either
             prejudiciall
             to
             the
             Truth
             ,
             or
             justly
             distastefull
             to
             your
             Person
             ,
             and
             if
             it
             be
             possible
             ,
             to
             overcome
             evill
             with
             good
             .
          
           
             FINIS
             .
          
        
      
    
     
       
         
           In
           the
           absence
           of
           the
           Author
           these
           following
           Errata's
           escaped
           in
           the
           printing
           of
           the
           Vindication
           ,
           which
           I
           pray
           thus
           Correct
           .
        
         
           Page
           2.
           line
           23.
           for
           you
           will
           charge
           ,
           read
           ,
           
             you
             will
             not
             charge
             ;
          
           p.
           6.
           l.
           30.
           for
           and
           Sectaries
           ,
           ●
           .
           
             of
             Sectaries
             ;
          
           p.
           7.
           l.
           1.
           for
           till
           ,
           r.
           
             the
             ;
          
           p.
           8.
           l.
           last
           ,
           for
           stated
           ,
           r.
           
             sacred
             ;
          
           p.
           14.
           l
           22
           for
           finde
           in
           ,
           r.
           
             finde
             it
             in
             ;
          
           l.
           24.
           for
           these
           their
           words
           ,
           r.
           
             these
             are
             their
             words
             ,
          
           p.
           23
           l.
           27.
           for
           elected
           ,
           r
           ,
           
             erected
             ;
          
           p.
           26.
           l.
           26.
           for
           ones
           Poesie
           ,
           r
           
             Ovids
             Poesie
             .