A nevv quære at this time seasonably to be considered as we tender the advancement of trvth & peace : viz. whether it be fit, according to the principles of true religion, and state, to settle any church-government over the kingdome hastily, or not : and with the power commonly desired, in the hands of the ministers / by Iohn Saltmarsh ...
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             A nevv quære at this time seasonably to be considered as we tender the advancement of trvth & peace : viz. whether it be fit, according to the principles of true religion, and state, to settle any church-government over the kingdome hastily, or not : and with the power commonly desired, in the hands of the ministers / by Iohn Saltmarsh ...
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           A
           New
           Quaere
           ,
           At
           this
           time
           seasonably
           to
           be
           considered
           ,
           as
           we
           tender
           the
           advancement
           of
           
             TRVTH
          
           &
           
             PEACE
             ;
             Viz.
             
          
           Whether
           it
           be
           fit
           ,
           according
           to
           the
           Principles
           of
           true
           Religion
           ,
           and
           State
           ,
           to
           settle
           any
           Church-Government
           over
           the
           Kingdome
           hastily
           ,
           or
           not
           ;
           and
           with
           the
           Power
           commonly
           desired
           ,
           in
           the
           hands
           of
           the
           Ministers
           .
        
         
           By
           IOHN
           SALTMARSH
           ,
           Preacher
           of
           the
           Word
           at
           
             Brasteed
          
           in
           
             Kent
             .
          
        
         
           2
           Cor.
           10.
           8.
           
        
         
           Our
           authority
           (
           which
           the
           Lord
           hath
           given
           for
           Instruction
           ,
           and
           not
           for
           destruction
           .
           )
        
         
           LONDON
           ,
           Printed
           for
           
             Giles
             Calvert
             ,
          
           at
           the
           Signe
           of
           the
           Black
           Spread-Eagle
           ,
           at
           the
           West-End
           of
           S.
           PAULS
           .
           1646.
           
        
      
    
     
       
       
       
         
           A
           Quaere
           :
        
         
           Whether
           it
           be
           fit
           ,
           according
           to
           the
           Principles
           of
           true
           Religion
           ,
           and
           State
           ,
           to
           settle
           any
           Church-Government
           over
           the
           Kingdom
           hastily
           ,
           or
           not
           ;
           and
           with
           the
           Power
           commonly
           desired
           ,
           in
           the
           hands
           of
           the
           Ministers
           ,
        
         
           1.
           
           THe
           
             Rules
          
           laid
           down
           in
           the
           Word
           for
           practicall
           Obedience
           ,
           are
           these
           in
           part
           ;
           
             Let
             every
             one
             be
             fully
             perswaded
             in
             his
             own
             mind
             ,
          
           Rom.
           14.
           5.
           ver.
           23.
           and
           
             whatsoever
             is
             not
             of
             faith
             ,
             is
             sin
             .
          
           Now
           the
           setling
           of
           any
           Government
           upon
           a
           people
           who
           are
           yet
           generally
           untaught
           in
           the
           nature
           and
           grounds
           of
           it
           ,
           is
           to
           put
           upon
           the
           people
           the
           practice
           of
           that
           wherein
           it
           is
           impossible
           they
           can
           be
           fully
           perswaded
           in
           their
           minds
           ,
           and
           so
           either
           on
           a
           necessity
           of
           sin
           or
           misery
           .
        
         
           2
           ,
           There
           is
           great
           danger
           of
           bringing
           people
           under
           a
           Popish
           implicite
           Obedience
           ,
           by
           forcing
           on
           a
           practice
           of
           that
           which
           they
           scarce
           know
           ,
           or
           know
           but
           in
           part
           :
           And
           this
           is
           against
           the
           
             Nationall
             Covenant
             ,
          
           to
           side
           with
           any
           Principles
           of
           
             Popery
             :
          
           And
           we
           know
           it
           by
           experience
           ,
           that
           the
           people
           have
           been
           ever
           devoted
           to
           any
           thing
           the
           State
           sets
           up
           ;
           all
           the
           disputes
           or
           conscience
           of
           the
           common
           people
           usually
           ending
           in
           this
           ,
           Whether
           it
           be
           established
           by
           Law
           or
           no
           ;
           and
           going
           usually
           no
           higher
           nor
           further
           then
           a
           
             Statute
          
           or
           
             Act
             of
             State
          
           for
           their
           Religion
           .
        
         
           3.
           
           
             Christ
             Iesus
          
           himselfe
           could
           as
           easily
           have
           setled
           his
           
             Gospell-Government
          
           by
           
             miracle
             ,
          
           as
           any
           can
           now
           by
           a
           
             Civill
             power
             ,
          
           if
           there
           had
           been
           such
           a
           
             primary
          
           or
           
             moral
          
           necessity
           of
           establishing
           it
           so
           soon
           upon
           a
           people
           scarce
           enlightned
           for
           any
           part
           of
           it
           :
           But
           we
           see
           the
           contrary
           ,
           first
           in
           himselfe
           ,
           he
           taught
           long
           ,
           and
           
             Iohn
          
           before
           him
           ,
           and
           so
           the
           
             Disciples
             ;
          
           and
           the
           
             g
             〈…〉
          
           for
           Government
           were
           not
           given
           till
           he
           ascended
           ,
           and
           the
           
             Modell
          
           for
           Government
           not
           brought
           forth
           but
           by
           degrees
           ,
           and
           as
           people
           fell
           in
           and
           were
           capable
           of
           the
           
             Yoake
             ,
          
           and
           would
           
             mould
          
           more
           easily
           to
           the
           
             Commandements
             of
             Christs
             ;
          
           and
           whether
           then
           or
           no
           ,
           is
           yet
           a
           Question
           which
           some
           who
           have
           
           sit
           out
           the
           debates
           too
           ,
           
           though
           not
           with
           me
           ,
           who
           am
           fully
           assured
           of
           a
           power
           of
           order
           which
           the
           Apostle
           rejoyced
           to
           behold
           ;
           though
           a
           power
           with
           as
           little
           
             dominion
          
           in
           Government
           as
           
             tradition
          
           in
           Worship
           .
        
         
           4.
           
           We
           never
           read
           in
           the
           new
           Testament
           of
           a
           Gospell-government
           setled
           upon
           any
           that
           were
           not
           brought
           first
           under
           Gospell-obedience
           by
           the
           power
           of
           the
           Word
           and
           Spirit
           ,
           which
           thousands
           of
           Congregations
           in
           this
           Kingdom
           are
           not
           :
           For
           as
           in
           
             materiall
          
           Buildings
           Stone
           and
           Timber
           are
           not
           to
           be
           
             clapt
          
           together
           without
           
             h●w●●g
          
           and
           
             squaring
             ,
          
           so
           nor
           in
           the
           
             spirituall
             :
          
           And
           whereas
           in
           the
           
             Temple
          
           there
           should
           neither
           be
           
             Axe
          
           nor
           
             Hammer
          
           heard
           ,
           because
           things
           were
           fitted
           before
           hand
           ,
           and
           so
           laid
           together
           :
           I
           question
           how
           this
           could
           be
           in
           our
           Congregations
           now
           :
           I
           beleeve
           there
           would
           be
           now
           more
           of
           the
           
             Axe
          
           and
           the
           
             Hammer
          
           heard
           ,
           then
           of
           the
           
             building
          
           seen
           .
        
         
           5.
           
           We
           have
           found
           by
           experience
           ,
           that
           the
           speedy
           setling
           of
           Government
           upon
           the
           Nation
           ,
           hath
           made
           Reformation
           take
           little
           root
           ,
           save
           in
           the
           out
           ward
           man
           ,
           or
           formall
           Obedience
           ;
           and
           the
           reason
           was
           ,
           Because
           they
           received
           not
           Reformation
           first
           in
           the
           power
           of
           the
           Word
           ,
           but
           of
           the
           State
           ,
           which
           went
           not
           so
           deep
           into
           their
           Consciences
           ,
           but
           they
           could
           part
           with
           it
           at
           any
           time
           upon
           a
           Law
           :
           Oh
           then
           ,
           
             Why
             do
             not
             daies
             speake
             ,
             and
             multitude
             of
             yeares
             teach
             knowledge
             ?
          
        
         
           6.
           
           It
           is
           against
           the
           nature
           of
           
             Christs
             description
          
           of
           himselfe
           ,
           and
           against
           that
           sutablenesse
           which
           he
           presses
           for
           ,
           amongst
           all
           such
           as
           should
           submit
           to
           his
           
             Commandements
             ;
             He
             shall
             not
             strive
             ,
             nor
             cry
             ,
             neither
             shall
             any
             man
             heare
             his
             voyce
             in
             the
             streets
             ,
          
           Matth.
           11.
           19.
           
           
             My
             yoke
             is
             easie
             ,
             and
             my
             burden
             light
             ,
          
           Matth.
           11.
           29.
           
           
             His
             Commandements
             are
             not
             grievous
             ,
          
           1
           Joh.
           5.
           3.
           
           
             Neither
             do
             men
             put
             new
             wine
             into
             old
             bottles
             .
          
           All
           which
           cannot
           be
           fulfilled
           in
           the
           Parochiall
           Congregations
           .
        
         
           7.
           
           The
           more
           time
           for
           
             trying
          
           the
           
             spirits
             ,
          
           and
           
             proving
             all
             things
             ,
          
           there
           is
           lesse
           danger
           to
           that
           
             State
          
           of
           errings
           in
           things
           received
           and
           authorized
           ,
           and
           of
           involving
           it selfe
           into
           the
           designes
           of
           Ecclesiasticall
           power
           ,
           then
           which
           nothing
           hath
           sooner
           broken
           the
           Civill
           power
           ,
           as
           may
           be
           seen
           in
           Popish
           Kingdoms
           ,
           and
           our
           late
           Prelaticall
           .
           There
           can
           be
           no
           great
           danger
           in
           the
           not
           sudden
           incorporating
           the
           two
           powers
           :
           Since
           
             Moses
          
           is
           not
           alive
           to
           bring
           down
           the
           just
           
             Paterne
             of
             the
             Tabernacle
             ,
          
           there
           may
           a
           new
           Star
           arise
           ,
           which
           was
           not
           seen
           at
           first
           ;
           which
           ,
           if
           we
           shut
           up
           our selves
           too
           soone
           while
           the
           
             smoake
          
           is
           the
           
             Temple
             ,
          
           cannot
           appeare
           .
        
         
           8.
           
           We
           have
           not
           yet
           any
           experiment
           of
           our
           new
           
             Clergie
             ,
          
           who
           are
           many
           of
           them
           
             branches
          
           of
           the
           old
           
             stock
             ,
          
           and
           so
           may
           weild
           the
           Government
           too
           much
           of
           the
           
             Episcopall
          
           Faction
           ,
           as
           the
           
             Samaritans
          
           did
           with
           the
           
             Iewish
          
           Government
           ,
           because
           they
           were
           not
           naturall
           
             Iews
             .
          
           It
           is
           not
           safe
           trusting
           a
           power
           too
           far
           into
           those
           hands
           .
           Our
           Brethren
           of
           
             Scotland
          
           have
           been
           more
           used
           to
           the
           way
           of
           Presbytery
           ,
           and
           may
           better
           trust
           one
           another
           upon
           mutuall
           experience
           ,
           then
           we
           can
           yet
           .
        
         
         
           9.
           
           We
           experience
           in
           part
           some
           remainders
           of
           Prelacy
           working
           in
           many
           ,
           which
           shewes
           a
           constitution
           not
           so
           cleare
           nor
           pure
           as
           the
           Disciples
           of
           Christ
           should
           have
           ;
           then
           whether
           it
           be
           safe
           committing
           the
           power
           too
           suddenly
           :
           For
           though
           I
           question
           not
           but
           some
           may
           be
           like
           the
           
             ten
             ,
          
           yet
           there
           are
           others
           like
           the
           
             two
             Brethren
          
           who
           strove
           which
           should
           be
           
             greatest
             ,
          
           till
           the
           Lord
           ended
           the
           difference
           ,
           
             It
             shall
             not
             be
             so
             amongst
             you
             .
          
           We
           find
           the
           hottest
           Controversie
           is
           now
           moved
           about
           Church-government
           ;
           and
           there
           hath
           been
           most
           written
           and
           spoken
           this
           way
           ,
           and
           in
           most
           violence
           :
           Now
           when
           the
           contention
           for
           power
           is
           so
           much
           ,
           and
           the
           Controversie
           streames
           most
           in
           Government
           ,
           we
           may
           soon
           discerne
           dispositions
           .
           Well
           ,
           is
           it
           good
           parting
           with
           the
           stakes
           yet
           while
           there
           is
           such
           quarrelling
           for
           them
           ,
           &
           when
           one
           party
           cannot
           but
           take
           it
           for
           an
           injury
           ,
           if
           wholly
           given
           to
           the
           other
           ?
           It
           is
           to
           be
           feared
           ,
           there
           is
           too
           much
           of
           man
           ,
           because
           the
           bias
           runs
           most
           in
           these
           times
           towards
           this
           one
           truth
           of
           government
           ,
           &
           many
           other
           are
           wholly
           set
           by
           ,
           which
           might
           well
           be
           lookt
           upon
           with
           it
           ;
           which
           if
           there
           were
           not
           a
           Principle
           in
           man
           more
           fitted
           for
           a
           truth
           of
           this
           kind
           then
           any
           other
           ,
           would
           not
           be
           :
           But
           every
           truth
           hath
           its
           age
           and
           season
           .
           This
           only
           for
           caution
           .
        
         
           10.
           
           There
           is
           no
           Religion
           established
           by
           State
           ,
           but
           there
           is
           some
           proportion
           in
           the
           two
           Powers
           ,
           and
           some
           compliancy
           betwixt
           the
           Civill
           and
           Ecclesiasticall
           ;
           so
           as
           the
           establishing
           the
           one
           ,
           will
           draw
           with
           it
           some
           motions
           in
           the
           other
           :
           And
           we
           all
           see
           how
           hazardous
           it
           is
           to
           disinteresse
           any
           in
           the
           Civill
           part
           ,
           even
           in
           Kingdomes
           that
           are
           more
           firme
           ,
           as
           
             France
             ,
          
           where
           the
           Protestants
           are
           partly
           allowed
           their
           Religion
           in
           pay
           for
           their
           Civill
           engagements
           ;
           and
           so
           in
           other
           States
           .
           And
           sure
           I
           am
           ,
           that
           State
           is
           most
           free
           ,
           where
           the
           conscience
           is
           least
           straitned
           ,
           where
           the
           Tares
           and
           the
           Wheat
           grow
           together
           till
           the
           harvest
           .
        
         
           11.
           
           Our
           parties
           or
           dissenting
           Brethren
           being
           now
           together
           ,
           and
           clasped
           by
           interest
           against
           the
           common
           enemy
           ,
           this
           foundation
           of
           common
           unity
           is
           such
           as
           may
           draw
           in
           both
           affections
           and
           judgements
           ▪
           if
           not
           too
           suddenly
           determined
           into
           Hereticks
           and
           Schismaticks
           :
           It
           is
           possible
           ,
           while
           a
           Controversie
           is
           long
           suspended
           ,
           and
           time
           given
           for
           conclusion
           of
           things
           ,
           Opinions
           may
           be
           sooner
           at
           peace
           :
           A
           fire
           let
           alone
           ,
           may
           dye
           out
           under
           that
           wood
           which
           stirred
           in
           would
           kindle
           it
           .
           The
           
             Contentions
             of
             Brethren
             are
             like
             the
             strong
             bars
             of
             a
             Castle
             ;
             and
             a
             Brother
             that
             is
             offended
             is
             harder
             to
             be
             won
             then
             a
             strong
             City
             ,
          
           Prov.
           18.
           19.
           
        
         
         
           
             OBIECTIONS
             .
          
           
             I.
             
          
           
             BVt
             the
             Temple
             was
             builded
             with
             all
             speed
             in
             
               Nehemiahs
            
             time
             ;
             and
             therefore
             ,
             
               &c.
               
            
             And
             
               Haggai
            
             cals
             to
             the
             building
             ,
             
               Is
               it
               time
               ?
            
             Hag.
             1.
             4.
             
          
           
             Answ
             .
          
           
             Yea
             ,
             but
             the
             
               matteriall
               Patterne
            
             was
             more
             clearly
             left
             and
             known
             then
             the
             
               Gospell-patternes
               :
            
             The
             other
             were
             more
             in
             the
             
               letter
               ,
            
             and
             these
             more
             in
             the
             
               Spirit
               .
            
             Now
             there
             must
             be
             a
             
               proving
               all
               things
               ,
            
             else
             there
             may
             be
             more
             hast
             then
             good
             speed
             ;
             and
             the
             Temple
             may
             be
             built
             by
             a
             false
             
               Paterne
            
             as
             well
             as
             a
             
               true
               ,
            
             and
             then
             better
             no
             Building
             ,
             then
             no
             right
             
               Cedar
            
             to
             build
             with
             .
             And
             there
             were
             
               Prophets
            
             then
             ,
             who
             knew
             the
             
               periods
            
             of
             times
             ,
             and
             could
             Prophesie
             ,
             as
             
               Haggai
            
             and
             
               Zechariah
               ;
            
             but
             none
             so
             exactly
             now
             ;
             and
             these
             knew
             both
             the
             
               fashion
            
             and
             the
             
               time
            
             for
             Building
             .
             Yet
             who
             ought
             not
             to
             hasten
             the
             Temple
             ,
             if
             the
             Timber
             be
             ready
             ,
             and
             if
             
               the
               Apostles
               and
               Prophets
               be
               there
               for
               a
               foundation
               ,
               and
               Iesus
               Christ
               for
               chiefe
               Corner-ston
               ?
            
             Ephes.
             2.
             
          
           
             Object
             .
             II.
             
          
           
             But
             Vice
             ,
             Heresies
             and
             Schisms
             will
             grow
             too
             fast
             .
          
           
             Answ
             .
          
           
             So
             they
             might
             have
             done
             from
             
               Iohns
            
             first
             Sermon
             to
             
               Pauls
            
             Epistles
             ▪
             and
             the
             sending
             of
             the
             Spirit
             ;
             but
             yet
             you
             see
             there
             was
             no
             Government
             ,
             till
             after
             ,
             setled
             upon
             the
             people
             of
             God
             .
             And
             if
             
               Heresies
            
             stir
             up
             their
             Patrons
             against
             the
             State
             ,
             the
             Magistrate
             
               beares
               not
               the
               Sword
               in
               vaine
               ?
            
             And
             if
             morall
             transgressions
             ,
             let
             the
             Magistrate
             be
             set
             on
             in
             every
             place
             to
             quicken
             the
             Statutes
             ;
             and
             Preachers
             every where
             sent
             forth
             to
             publish
             the
             Gospell
             .
             And
             what
             if
             
               the
               Prince
               of
               Persia
            
             withstand
             for
             a
             while
             ?
             
               Truth
            
             is
             otherwise
             armed
             from
             heaven
             :
             Though
             
               Satan
            
             be
             in
             the
             wildernesse
             with
             
               Christ
               ,
            
             yet
             Christ
             shall
             conquer
             .
             It
             is
             the
             
               Papists
            
             and
             the
             
               Prelates
            
             Jealousies
             ,
             to
             keep
             up
             their
             supposed
             truths
             ,
             by
             suspecting
             every
             thing
             that
             appeares
             for
             an
             enemy
             .
             The
             Gospell
             dares
             walk
             abroad
             with
             boldnesse
             and
             simplicity
             ,
             when
             Traditions
             of
             men
             ,
             like
             melancholy
             people
             ,
             feare
             every
             thing
             they
             meet
             will
             kill
             them
             :
             For
             the
             Angell
             that
             comes
             down
             from
             heaven
             hath
             great
             power
             ,
             and
             the
             earth
             is
             lightned
             with
             his
             glory
             ,
             
               Rev
            
             18.
             1.
             
          
           
             FINIS
             .
          
           
        
      
    
     
       
         Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
         
           Notes for div A61083e-150
           
             See
             in
             M.
             
               Colemans
            
             Sermon
             .