Some remarks upon a speech made to the grand jury for the county of Middlesex concerning the execution of penalties upon the churches of Christ, which worship God in meeting-houses, for their so doing : and may serve for an answer to part of the order of the justices, Jan. 13 to the same purpose : in a letter to Sir W.S. their speaker. J. W. 1682 Approx. 36 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 8 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2006-06 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A67481 Wing W69 ESTC R3500 12630871 ocm 12630871 64762 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. 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Dissenters, Religious -- England. 2005-04 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-08 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2006-01 Jonathan Blaney Sampled and proofread 2006-01 Jonathan Blaney Text and markup reviewed and edited 2006-04 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion Some REMARKS UPON A SPEECH MADE TO THE GRAND JURY For the County of MIDDLESEX , CONCERNING THE Execution of PENALTIES UPON THE Churches of Christ , Which worship God in MEETING-HOUSES , For their so doing . And may serve for an Answer to part of the Order of the JUSTICES , Jan. 13. to the same purpose . In a Letter to Sir W. S. their Speaker . For all the Law is fulfilled in one word , in this , Thou shalt love thy Neighbour as thy self . But if ye bite and devour one another , Take heed that you be not consumed one of another , Gal. 5.14 , 15. But it is evident by the sad experience of Twelve Years , that there is very little fruit of all those forceable courses , [ many and frequent ways of coertion . ] Kings Declaration , March 15. 1672. LONDON , Printed for Elea. Harris . 1682. SIR , SINCE Your Speech made at the Session of the Peace , to the Grand Jury there , is by your , and the rest of the Justices Order Printed and Published , I hope you will not take it ill , that a private person gives his Opinion concerning it , especially considering , that your modesty has premised , you should discover that weakness which by your silence might have been concealed . Sir , As for that worthy Character you give of your self , your Generosity and Publick Spirit abstracted from all private considerations whatsoever , Your proof and protestation of it , I have this to say , that you are to me much a stranger . I am unwilling to make enquiry into your life and actions , and therefore shall give as much credit to what you say , as one can reasonably give to him that praiseth himself — but could not vindicate himself in the Eyes of the Commons of England in Parliament : Otherwise I should have wondred that a Gentleman ( who had approv'd himself to his Country , by the experience of so great a number of years , and in two Parliaments of such different qualifications ( wherein every Member was tryed oftner and more severely than the purest Gold ) of such excellent Integrity , Parts and Vertues , should be neglected in the Three late Parliaments . The Country is not wont in these cases to cast of those that have done them eminent Services ; sure I am there was a very great number of the same persons in all these Parliaments , and in the greatest honour and esteem by those that elected them , and by others also . In the next Paragraph , you tell us , This Kingdom is at present under very sad circumstances ; and upon enquiry into the cause , you say ( and I think boldly enough ) we have lost the Jewel of Government . I perceive Sir W.S. may say what he pleases ; but I doubt it would have been dangerous for a Grand Inquest to have writ . Billa vera upon such a presentment . What! His Majesty upon the Throne in Peace , and yet the Government lost ! It is dreadful , like Belshazzar's Hand writing upon the Wall. Mene Mene , God hath numbred thy Kingdom and finished it . I hope Sir , you are no skilful State Physician : God forbid you should in this Diagnostick . You may if you please see more to this matter in the Courant of Dec. 23. I expected next the proof of your Assertion , but you defer that , and tell us of our Princes mercy in the Act of Oblivion . I suppose there 's no man in England , that understands things to any purpose , that is not sensible of His Majesties Grace in the Act of Oblivion , wherein he had the councel of his Parliament ; but there are a sort of Men that labour much to turn the Act of Oblivion into an Act of Remembrance ; there 's no Act that ever the King Pass'd , more grievous to them than that ; and the reason is not , because the King has Pardoned His Enemies , but because they cannot by his power wreck their malice upon their hated Neighbours . I am perswaded Sir , when you consider the sad state of the Kingdom better , you will find that Mens envy at their Neighbours Liberty and Enjoyments , and a strange ill will they foster against them , is the great cause of our sad Divisions . It is not because the Government is lost , but because it is not lost , that men rage as they do . There are not a few who long for nothing more than the confusion of the Government ; for they reckon that the only way to effect their Revenge , than which nothing would more rejoice their hearts . Nay , they could well be content to undergo the hazards of a Combustion in prospect of the Satisfaction they hope for in conclusion , by the Ruine of their Maligned Neighbours and Countrymen . And the true reason why they believe so little of the Popish Plot , is because the Discovery of it justifies the fears of those they have so long scorn'd upon that account . I must acknowledge the Papists and their dissembling Agents have wrought strongly upon these passions , and have at length rais'd them to such a height , that , in my Opinion , they cannot be allayed without a Parliament , which I take to be a part of the Government . But if a Popish Successor come first , ( which God of his great mercy prevent ) I cannot think that those enraged People , who have already made use of Subornations and Perjuries to shed bloud by , will stick at a Parisian Bartholomew Feast , if they can find no readier way of destroying those they hate . You go on in setting forth the Goodness of His Majesties Government ( which is an odd way of shewing the Government to be lost . ) He takes nothing from any man , doth not oppress the meanest of His Subjects , nor interposeth His Authority to obstruct Justice . We joyfully grant all this , and more concerning the King ; but we cannot excuse his Ministers ; your last long Parliament found cause to complain of divers Publick Grievances , to provide Laws against some , and to charge one Great Man with High Treason in many particulars . Next you tell us , the mischief of the loss of the Government , but all your instances , instead of proving we have no Government , prove the quite contrary , that we have a good Government . For no man can take a pair of Shoes or any thing else out of a Shop , without payment , but he is punisht for it , if he can be found out , and no Government can punish those that are conceal'd , Bene vixit , qui bene latuit . Nor can any man pass through Lombard Street , and supply his Pockets without good consideration . Indeed we have heard of some that took a great many Hundred Thousand Pounds out of Lombard Street upon good consideration , which was afterwards made invalid ; but His Majesty was graciously pleased to grant an Equivalent ; but I read in some Publick Prints , of obstructions in the issuing of that Equivalent , which yet I am far from imputing to the King , but know not how to defend all his Ministers . In the beginning of your next Period you tell us , that God Almighty knew this [ the calamities of being without Government ] when he created man , and therefore gave him a Law by which he should live and govern himself and printed it in his heart called the Law of Nature , &c. This is a surprising way of discourse ; for the natural import of it is this , Viz. That to prevent the mischief of being without Government , God had made every man his own Governor ; so that he has no need of any other Government . Again , It proceeds somewhat incoherently : God knew when he created man what evils he would incur notwithstanding the Law of Nature in his heart , if there was not also an outward Government ; therefore he gave him the Law of Nature , and printed it in his heart . I suppose Sir , you spake extemporary , but I then wonder you should be against extemporary Prayers and extemporary Sermons , and use an extemporary Speech upon such a Solemn Occasion . You proceed , If man had attended to this Law , there would have been no contentions or quarrels , no nor fears and jealousies , which are the Devils Engines to batter down the peace of the World ; but the Devil made man forget his God — and grow to such wickedness , that God swept them away by an universal Deluge , &c. Here is a special remark upon Fears and Jealousies in the Old World : but I find no such mentioned in the Holy History ; it was past that , The Mighty Men executed according to their Lusts , so that the Earth was filled with violence effectually , and if they feared it before it came upon them , they had cause enough , and those fears were not in vain . It seems it was in your mind to expose the Phrase of Fears and Jealousies , and therefore you must needs bring it in here by Head and Shoulders . But if you please to call to mind some of the Addresses of your Loyal Long Parliament , you will find they did not abhor from such like expressions . In their Address against the Duke of York's Marriage , they pray His Majesty To relieve his good subjects from those fears and apprehensions which they ly under , from the progress had been made in the Treaty . And they further say , We greatly fear , &c. That for another Age at the least , this Kingdom will be under continual apprehensions of the Growth of Popery , and the danger of the Protestant Religion . In their Address of March 1677 / 8 they advise His Majesty , That for the satisfying the minds of his good Subjects , who are much disquieted with the apprehensions of the dangers arising to this Kingdom from the Growth and Power of the French King , &c. I could cite you more of this kind , but my resolved brevity hinders . Thus Sir , You were a Member of that Loyal House of Parliament , which had the Presumption to tell His Majesty of the Fears and Jealousies of his good Subjects : but what is the matter now , after a horrid Popish Plot against His Majesty , and a great many Plots against his good Subjects , that now it must be a breach of the Peace to talk of Fears and Jealousies ? I fear Sir , you have taken it ill you were not chosen in these late Parliaments , and that you are fallen out both with Parliament and People upon that score . You go on : This Rebellion [ of Corah ] you may observe as all other Rebellions almost that I have heard of , began upon the pretence of Religion and Liberty . Here you have a mind to expose the Terms of Religion and Liberty , as before you did Fears and Jealousies , and you pick out the Rebellion of Corah , as a singular instance of the prevalence of the Devil in that Tract of time between Noah and our blessed Saviour : One would have thought that the Kings of Egypt keeping in Bondage , and evil entreating the Children of Israel Four Hundred years together , who at last commanded the Male Infants to be killed , and upon their demand in the name of the Lord God , and upon their petition to him for liberty of Religion , encreased their affliction and bondage , forcing them to make Bricks without Straw , and still exacting the same Tale of Bricks as before , beating them if they performed it not ; and the King said , Ye are idle , ye are idle , therefore ye say , Let us go and do Sacrifice to the Lord. And Pharaoh hardened his heart to such a degree , that God raised him up or made him stand to shew his power , and that his Name might be declared throughout all the Earth . One would have thought I say , that this example af Wickedness against the Law of Nature , and Gods stupendious Vengeance that pursued the Egyptians to almost their utter destruction for the same , should have been as ready to your mind as the Rebellion of Corah ; I hope you do not think that Moses and the People of Israel , being Subjects to Pharaoh , were therefore Rebels for being of another Religion , and craving-liberty upon that account . But now I think on 't , this of Corah was brought in as an instance of great Sin after the Law of Nature was written in two Tables ; but he must be wonderfully sagacious , that can find in the Law of Nature or Ten Commandments , that the Priesthood was to be entailed to the Sons of Aaron , and none else of Levi's Family , of which Corah was . Under favour , I think this was a Rebellion against a special Revelation as Saul's aso was , when he destroyed not King Agag and the Cattle with the Amalekites , 1 Sam. 15. A proper example is this of Corah , to be urged by the Pope against those Princes and others that Rebel against him as High Priest upon earth of all Gods People . But Religion and Rebellion must be made to depend one upon another : a neat way of making Atheists ; and when all 's done , I reckon it a very false Notion , That all Rebellions almost you have heard of , began upon pretence of Religion and Liberty ; for take we but a view of the Wars and Rebellions that have been in England since William the First , and how few of them have began upon pretence of Religion and Liberty , in comparison with them that have been commenc'd upon pretence of Title to the Crown ? The bloudy Contest between the Houses of York and Lancaster alone lasted about a Hundred Years . And the Wars of our English Kings in France , which dured long , and brought great desolation upon that Country , had the same ground ; perhaps you will not call these Rebellions except Religion had been pretended ; but that were to beg the Question . And if you respect the Wars occasion'd and fomented by the Pope , he will fairly tell you that all his Wars are of a Priestly Sovereign against Rebels and Hereticks . But that which lies coucht in these two passages is , That to fear the coming in of Popery by a Popish Successor to the subverting our Religion ; and to be jealous of our Liberty from a series of Treasonous actions in great men against the Government , is a breach of the Peace , and at least bordering upon Rebellion . Next you are pleas'd to make merry with Appeals to the People [ Excellent Arbiters in matters relating to Government ] Methinks Sir , you come too near the Declaration against the Two last Parliaments , and manifold Addresses of the Justices and some Grand Juries and a great many Burroughs , that were easily taken with it . You seem Sir , to be a little out in your Divinity , whilst you introduce God Almighty in Creation , Giving Man a Law , and printing it on his heart , and by our Lord Christ restoring that Law , by instruction , and the sending of Bishops to govern the Church by Ceremonies , and Liturgies , which have the Sanction of a Parliament , whereas Gods giving his Laws into Mens minds , and writing them in their hearts , is made both by the Prophet Jeremy and the Divine Author to the Hebrews , the special Promise and Priviledge of the New Covenant , whereof Christ is Mediator . And if Christ has not written his Laws in mens hearts by the Gospel , Sir Wm's Argument doth equally justifie all the Papists of Spain , Italy , France , &c. as the Protestants of the Church of England , and equally condemn the Protestants in those Countrys , as the Dissenters here in England ; for they have their Bishops by a continued Succession as well as we , and they have their Ceremonies and Liturgy ( called the Mass ) as well as we ; and these have the Sanction of their Parliaments ; the agreement both of Kings and People , as well as ours . Thus Sir , you have made Popery as much the Religion of Christ as Protestantism , and justifie all Persecutions of Christians , that are made by Bishops and Laws . The French King is beholding to you for vindicating him in his present Persecution of the poor Protestants , to whom yet ( thanks be to God and the King ) we give entertainment . But when you seriously think of , this Establishment by Bishops , and the agreement in Parliament , It raiseth your admiration how any man can think himself hardly dealt with , when he is required to comply with that which he hath before agreed . Pray Sir , were you never on the Negative side in any Law that was pass'd in those Parliaments wherein you sate ? if you were , then you did not agree to that Law , now suppose that that Law had been the Law of conformity to the Mass , as it was in Queen Maries days , would you have thought your self obliged to have yielded obedience to it , because you were over Voted ? Sir , Sanctions of King and Parliament cannot make a thing good , which in its nature is not so : neither can it make an indifferent thing lawful to me , if I in my Conscience think it otherwise , for whatsoever is not of Faith is sin . Christ has not given Bishops to be Lords over his Heritage , which they will be , if you give them power to make Laws and enforce them against the Conscience of Believers , in things not necessary to be determin'd , and much less in things already otherwise determin'd in the Doctrine of Christ. You admire again , That any should think it reasonable that Publick Conventicles should be permitted in opposition to the said Established Government . I have said something before that is applicable to this , to allay this admiration . I add , that many Conventiclers do think their Pastors to be Bishops 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , or Overseers ( as your self note ) which they are as much obliged to obey , as if there were an Humane Law for it . Again , Some are greatly offended at the rancour and bitterness they perceive in many high-flown Men of the Church , against those that dissent from them , who would have those severe Laws executed against them , whilst in the mean time , they are not more certain of any thing , than that they heartily desire their own Salvation , and endeavour honestly to find out , and to walk in the right way to it ; and hence they are most certain it is contrary to the mind of Christ , any of his Followers should punish them for their Meeting together in his Name , in pursuance of those ends ; and consequently that Church that does so , offends against a Fundamental Point of Christian Practice , for they have the like perswasion concerning the Integrity of others that differ from them , as they have of themselves , and are therefore sure , that if they be so , they can no more execute Penalties upon them , than they upon others . They ought to have the same love and respect for them , as they have for Conformists ; and to do unto them as they would have them do unto themselves , if they be otherwise minded , they offend both against the Law of nature and the Law of Christ. If either they or the Dissenters offend against the necessary Principles and Laws of Government , though it be never so much their consciences so to do , they deny not the Magistrates right to punish them : but they are certain this is none of those cases . It is an excellent passage of the late Lord Chief Justice , Sir Matthew Hale p. 1308. bserved in his Life , relating to the Quakers ; He considered Marriage and Succession as a right of nature ( there is the same reason of other rights of nature ) from which none ought to be barred , what mistake soever they might be under in the Points of Revealed Religion . Surely the publick meeting together to worship God is a natural right ; which therefore men ought not to be deprived of , though they mistake in the circumstances of their so meeting and worshiping But I will leave the defence of publick meetings to publick prints , specially I refer you to the Conformists Plea for the Nonconformists , the first and second parts ; for that in reason should be read by you with less prejudice , than those things they say in their own behalf . You cannot understand , but that the Conventiclers allow their teachers both Infallibility and Supremacy : what Sir , more then you allow to your Bishops ? you would not have said this , but that you had a mind to make an odious Parallel between Papists and Dissenters . But who knows not , that Dissenters do all maintain this as the great principle of Protestantism , viz. That every man ought to be satisfied in his own Judgment concerning his Religion , and not to pin his faith upon any man , or number of men , further than they are perswaded from the infallible word of God. And this is the chief reason why they frequent gathered Churches , and not Parish Churches ; and sometimes go from one Congregation to another , as they find it more conducing to the great end of their eternal Salvation . You say , The Romish Church is an united body , and not to be withstood but by another united body , and if the people were united and reconciled to this true Protestant Church of England , it was not possible that Popery should prevail here . First Sir , The people are so far united to this Church , that they have the same Faith , and the same Doctrine for Substance ; and they worship God in no other manner than is allowed by the practice of the Church of England ; so that I would fain be informed what better capacity the Church of England would be in , if all come to the Parish-Church , than She is now . If there was not one Protestant Dissenter in England , how would that hinder a Popish Successor from bringing in Popery ? We see that under our present Protestant Prince ( to whom God grant a long and happy R●ign ) we can scarce keep our selves from being over-run and destroyed by Assassinations , Sham-Plots , and Suborned witnesses , with other Engines of mischiefs , to which the parish Church men , as well as others , are equally Subject : we see that even in the Church it self , they have raised a strong enmity , one against another , according as they are either more fierce against Protestants , and more moderate against Papists , or on the contrary more moderate to Protestants , and more zealous against Papists ; what then would be done under a Popish Successor ? should all Dissenters be reconciled to the Church , would that extinguish the animosities among the Bishops and other Clergy and Laity ( as they call 'um ) of the Church it self ? I pray consider it . Our Divisions , you say , give boldness to the common enemy to make attempts upon us ; you say very true , for whilst he sees a party that pretends to the Church , so desperately mad against those ( whether in the Church or out of it ) that being deeply concerned for their Religion , King and Government , are zealous against the Papists and their Fautors , it cannot but incourage the Papists to go on in their Devilish Plots and machinations against us . Is 't not wonderful , that since the discovery of a most horrid Popish plot against all Protestants , some of that name that were gentle before , should now be violent in the prosecution of their Brethren ? as if the Dissenting Protestants were to be punished for the Popish plot . O unhappy Titus ! hadst thou suffered the popish Plot to proceed to effect , thou mightest have reap't a great share in the profits of their success : But now thou hast discovered their Treachery and saved thy King and Country , thou art scorned , and reproached ; thou art in jeopardy of thy life every hour , either by assassination or false accusation ! And thy wretched Country is in worse circumstances to withstand the Popish and Malicious enemies of its Religion and Government than before . The Luxury and Security of Asia — gave Alexander the Great hopes of Conquest , Ergo , Our worshipping of God , some in Churches , some in Meetings , encourages the French King : A natural consequence ; Did the French carry on their War the worse , because they permitted Protestants , though at the same time they made War against Protestants ? but he 's afraid of it for the future ; and must we needs tread in his steps , and act by his Policies : surely he that prosecutes Protestants with Penalties for being so , does the Pope and French King's Work ; for what can they desire more at present ? And I heartily wish That the ill consequences , which may easily be foreseen to arise therefrom , to use your words , may prevail with men that pretend to love their King and Country , and Religion , not to be guilty of any thing that will bring ruin upon them : For when they have ruined the Dissenters , they will next fall upon those of the Church that favour them , and when they are ruin'd , it will be easie for a Popish Successor either to turn them to Popery , or ruine the remainder . As for the Diberty you say they have — according to Law , of exercising Religion in their own Houses . First , That is denied where Protestants are prosecuted to Confiscation of their Estates , as Popish Recusants for not going to Church . And Secondly , The same Passions and Councils that now endeavour to suppress their Meetings , would then prosecute them as Rioters for meeting above Three besides the Family , to do an unlawful action , as I have known it done by some of your Bench. It is easily said by you , rather Humor than Conscience , when they will yet offend against the Law , by these Publick Conventicles , [ but they would be very glad to find it such an humor , as they could correct with satisfaction to Conscience ; it would be a great ease to their minds , besides the advantage to their outward concerns ] which are so destructive to the Peace and Safety of the Kingdom . There was a time when His Majesty was pleas'd to declare , That it was evident by the sad experience of Twelve Years , that there is very little fruit of all those forceable courses [ many and frequent ways of coertion ] And therefore ( saith he ) We do now issue this Our Declaration , as well for the quieting , of the minds of Our good Subjects in th●se points , for inviting Strangers , in this conjuncture , to come and live under us , and for the better encouragement of all to a chearful following of their Trades and Callings , from whence we hope , by the blessing of God , to have many good and happy advantages to our Government : As also for preventing for the future , the danger that might otherwise arise from private Meetings and Seditious Conventicles . His Majesty you see Sir W. was not then of your mind , after Twelve Years Experience and Observation , that Publick Conventicles were so destructive to the Peace and Safety of the Kingdom , but the very contrary . What tho His Majesty was graciously pleased to Cancel that Declaration , at the Humble Request of His Loyal Long Parliament , because it did not ground it self upon a Legal Authority ; yet I hope His Majesties Reason and Judgment exprest in it , may be of weight to the Justices of Middlesex and London too ; especially when the Opinion of the Commons of England in Parliament concurs with it ; [ besides who knows that if there be any Favourite at Court , who designes against the people ( as there seldom wants such as cannot endure the breath of a Parliament ) he or she has the recommendation of Justices , which therefore being their creatures , must serve their ill purposes ? and how easie it is for one or two such Justices to get the approbation of the Bench to their nomination of Jury-Men , and then wo be to the People ] for they declare in their Vote of Luna 10. Januar 1680. That it is the Opinion of this House , that the presecution of Protestant Dissenters upon the Penal Laws , is at this time grievous to the Subject , a weakning of the Protestant Interest , an encouragement to Popery , and DANGEROVS to the Peace of the Kingdom . Now I am clearly of Opinion , that the King and Commons of England together , their Judgment is rather to be taken in this matter than Sir W. S's . and all the Bench of Justices assenting . You will say perhaps , that the Popish Plot , since the time of His Majesties Declaration , discover'd , has render'd them unworthy of that Toleration ; I grant it , but what have the Dissenters done to confute the King's Judgment in this point ; I hope that Toleration was not given for the sake of the Papists alone ; so that because They cannot have benefit by His Majesties Reasoning , No body else shall ; that were a hard thing to impute to our Sovereign : However it was , I presume Sir W. and his Fellow Justices did not Then put in execution the penal Statutes against Dissenters , neither for some years afterward ; such Deference did they give to His Majesties reason , tho his Authority was with-drawn ! Publick Conventicles were not then thought so destructive to the Peace and Safety of the Kingdom ; And I know nothing the Dissenters are guilty of , but a strong desire and earnest endeavour to keep out Popery , which they think cannot be done , if a Popish Successor be let in ; and in this they follow the Judgment of three several Houses of Commons in Parliament . And now I am speaking of the Declaration for Indulgence , I pray Sir , what shall hinder a Popish Successor from setting forth such another Edict with more ample graces to the Roman Catholicks , whereby they shall not only have the liberty of Publick Meetings ; but also access to Parish Churches , and all this by virtue of That Supream Power in Ecclesiastical matters , which is not only inherent in him , but hath been declar'd and recogniz'd to be so by several Statutes and Acts of Parliament ; as in the said Declaration ; what tho His present Majesty was graciously pleas'd to recal his Declaration , do you think the Popish Successor would do so ? And if he should command such an Indulgence , I am perswaded never a Justice of Middlesex , would dare ( as Sir James Hales in Queen Maries days ) to put the Laws in execution against them . Poor Sir James , who had merited highly of the Queen , yet suffer'd deeply for his Legal Zeal , and I doubt is too sad an example to be followed , however zealous men are now against Protestants . It follows in your Speech , [ these publick conventicles ] are not suffer'd in any Country or Kingdoms as I know of ▪ I have no measure of your knowledge , but there was not long since publisht in English a piece , entituled : The Religion of the Dutch , the Author pretends himself a Protestant : what credit is to be given him I know not , but I know that in many things he gives a very exact and true account : He says p. 14. There is an express prohibition of allowing any other Religion then the Reformed in the Provinces , and yet ( saith he ) we there find the publick exercise of another Religions [ so he is pleas'd to call different meetings of those that differ in some opinions ] besides the Reformed ; there are Roman Catholicks , Lutherans , Brownists , Independants , Arminians , Anabaptists , Socinians , Arrians , Enthusiasts , Quakers , Borelists , Armenians , Muscovites , Libertins and others ; I suppose you will scarce find so many sorts of publick meetings here in England . Having thus shewed the weakness of these reasons , upon which you built your discourse , there appears no cause why you should so patheticaly adjure men for Gods sake , and their own to lay aside these publick Conventicles &c. Neither that you should say , They are one cause and a great one of our present troubles ; or that you should invite the Bench and Grand Jury kindly to agree together in the remedy of this evil : Moreover , If according to the 9th Article of the Church of England , these Conventicles or some of them be Congregations of faithful men , in which the pure word of God is preached , and the Sacraments duly administred , according to Christs Ordinance , in all those things that of necessity are requisite to the same ; then are they , visible Churches of Christ , and they that punish them for so doing , do unkindly agree in persecuting the Churches of Christ , which Christians ought to be very wary of . Take heed Sir , you are not infallible . The next thing you recommend , is the Consideration of Juries , and the Statute of 3. Hen. VIII . An Act of Reformation of Impannels for the King , Touching which I shall leave you to the consideration of a paper , set out some Moneths ago in an answer to a Speech of yours also printed upon this Subject . The subtility and mighty endeavours of the Papists , to divert People from the prosecution of themselves , have rais'd a great enmity in a party or faction against the body of the people , represented in 3 Parliaments ; The City of London which hath the choice of Sheriffs for London and Middlesex are careful to chuse such Sheriffs as they can trust , and that are not of that party : whereas the Justices of Middlesex or some of them by their Abhorring , Addressing and the like actions appear to be too favourable to that faction ; and therefore the Citizens had rather by much the choice of Juries should be in the Sheriffs than in the partial Justices , especially at this time , when their Liberties , Lives and Religion are in such eminent danger from Sham-plots , Subornations and Perjuries , the preservation of all which concerns we owe under God and his Majesty to our honest Sheriffs . It looks strangely that out of about 50 persons of the Pannel , ( against one man of which the Justices cannot object any thing that may argue untrue demeanor in the Sheriff in his return ) the Justices should not find 13 to make a Grand Jury , without putting in other of their own nomination . I appeal to the next Parliament , whether the security and liberty of the People of England be not at this time more in danger by the Justices , than by the Sheriffs . I might observe upon other parts of your Speech : but I presume I have done enough already to shew the weakness of your reasoning . I hope you will please to consider things over again , and to pardon the freedom , taken by one that has due respects for you , and has learn'd to pass by the errors of men , being conscious of his own fallibility , but would gladly have malice and ill will rooted out . SIR , Your very Humble Servant J. W. POSTSCRIPT . ALL considering People will now see that Conventiclers are not punished and ruin'd for holding Conventicles , but for being zealous for the Protestant Religion and Government by advice of Parliament , against Popery and Clandestine Arbitrary Councels . Their Prosecutors know it to be so . I fear there are some Justices of the Peace and others who either by their ill management , or otherwise in the late unhappy Warrs suffer'd themselves and party to fall into the hands of their enemies , which would now under colour of Law and after oblivion take revenge upon those few of them that survive , by ruining the whole party of Non-conformists . They , like Haman , think it below them to crush Mordecai alone , except they involve the whole people of the Jews in that destruction . But let them remember there is a God that judgeth the earth : His Kingdom ruleth over all in spight of them . He can deliver , and if he will not , they suffer in a very good cause , for a good conscience toward God , and for what has been declared to be reasonable by the King , and by the Commons of England in Parliament . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A67481-e200 Octo. 31. 1673. Witness Doctor Fowler , & Gregory Prebends of Gloucester . Tempora mutantur . But you would have call'd it hypocrisie in a Presbiterian to alter his voice thus , the reasons remaining the same .