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A70113) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 49157) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 175:2, 491:29) Their highness the Prince & Princess of Orange's opinion about a general liberty of conscience, &c. being a collection of four select papers. Correspondence. Selections Fagel, Gaspar, 1634-1688. Stewart, James, Sir, 1635-1713. Correspondence. Selections. Burnet, Gilbert, 1643-1715. [2], 36 p. Printed and are to be sold by Richard Janeway, London : 1689. Reproduction of original in Cambridge University Library and Huntington Library. Papers originally edited or translated by Gilbert Burnet. I. Mijn Heer Fagel's first letter to Mr. Stewart -- II. Reflexions on Monsieur Fagel's letter -- III. Fagel's second letter to Mr. Stewart -- IV. Some extracts, out of Mr. Stewart's letters, which were communicated to Mijn Heer Fagel, together with some references to Mr. Stewart's printed letter. 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Freedom of religion -- England -- Early works to 1800. Church and state -- England -- Early works to 1800. 2005-05 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-06 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-07 Emma (Leeson) Huber Sampled and proofread 2005-07 Emma (Leeson) Huber Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion Their HIGHNESS the Prince & Princess OF ORANGE's OPINION About a GENERAL Liberty of Conscience , &c. Being a Collection of FOUR SELECT PAPERS , VIZ. I. Mijn Heer Fagel ' s First Letter to Mr. Stewart . II. Reflexions on Monsieur Fagel's Letter . III. Fagel's Second Letter to Mr. Stewart . IV. Some Extracts , out of Mr. Stewart's Letters , which were communicated to Mijn Heer Fagel . Together with some References to Mr. Stewart's Printed Letter . LONDON , Printed , and are to be Sold by Richard Janeway , in Queens-head-alley in Pater-Noster-Row . 1689. A LETTER , Writ by Mijn Heer FAGEL , Pensioner of Holland , to Mr. James Stewart , Advocate ; Giving an Account of the Prince and Princess of Orange's thoughts concerning the Repeal of the Test , and the Penal Laws . SIR , I Am extream sorry , that my ill health hath so long hindred me from Answering those Letters , in which you so earnestly desired to know of me , what their Highnesses thoughts are , concerning the Repeal of the Penal Laws , and more particularly of that concerning the Test : I beg you to assure your self , that I will deal very plainly with you in this matter , and without Reserve , since you say that your Letters was writ by the King's knowledge and allowance . I must then first of all assure you very positively , that their Highnesses have often declared , as They did more particularly to the Marquis of Albeville , His Majesties Envoy Extraordinary to the States , that it is their Opinion , That no Christian ought to be persecuted for his Conscience , or be ill used because he differs from the publick and and established Religion : And therefore , they can consent , that the Papists in England , Scotland and Ireland be suffered to continue in their Religion , with as much Liberty as is allowed them by the States in these Provinces ; in which it cannot be denied , that they en●●y a full Liberty of Conscience . And as for the Dissenters , Their Highnesses do not only consent , but do heartily approve of their having an entire Liberty , for the full Exercise of their Religion , without any trouble or hindrance ; so that none may be able to give them the least disturbance upon that account . And their Highnesses are very ready , in case His Majesty shall think fit to desire it , to declare their willingness to concur in the settling , and confirming this Liberty , and as far as it lies in them , they will protect and defend it , and according to the Language of Treaties , They will confirm it with their Guarranty , of which you made mention in yours . And if His Majesty shall think fit fuether to desire their concurrence in the Repealing of the Penal Laws , They are ready to give it ; provided always that those Laws remain still in their full vigour , by which the R. Catholicks are shut out of both Houses of Parliament , and out of all publick Employments , Ecclesiastical , Civil and Military ; as likewise all those other Laws , which confirm the Protestant Religion , and which secures it against all the attempts of the Roman Catholicks . But Their Highnesses cannot agree to the Repeal of the Test , or of those other Penal Laws last mentioned , that tend to the security of the Protestant Religion ; since the R. Catholicks receive no other prejudice from these , than the being excluded from Parliaments , or from publick Employments . And that by them the Protestant Religion is covered from all the Designs of the R. Catholicks against it , or against the publick safety ; And neither the Test nor these other Laws can be said to carry in them any severity against the Roman Catholicks upon account of their Consciences : They are only Provisions qualifying men to be Members of Parliament , or to be capable of bearing Office ; by which they must declare before God and Men , that they are for the Protestant Religion . So that indeed , all this amounts to no more than a securing the Protestant Religion from any Prejudices that it may receive from the R. Catholicks . Their Highnesses have thought and do still think , that more than this ought not to be askt , or expected from Them : since by this means , the R. Catholicks and their Posterity will be for ever secured from all trouble in their Persons or Estates , or in the Exercise of their Religion ; and that the Roman Catholicks ought to be satisfied with this , and not to disquiet the Kingdom because they cannot be admitted to sit in Parliament , or to be in Employments ; or because those Laws , in which the security of the Protestant Religion does chiefly consist , are not repealed , by which they may be put in a condition to overturn it . Their Highnesses do also believe , that the Dissenters will be fully satisfied when they shall be for ever covered from all danger of being disturbed , or punished for the free Exercise of their Religion , upon any sort of pretence whatsoever . Their Highnesses having declared themselves so positively in these matters , it seems very plain to me , that They are far from being any hindrance to the Freeing the Dissenters from the severity of the Penal Laws ; since they are ready to use their utmost endeavours for the establishing of it ; nor do they at all press the denying to the Roman Catholicks the exercise of their Religion , provided it be managed modestly , and without Pomp or Ostentation . As for my own part , I ever was and still am very much against all those , who would persecute any Christian because he differs from the publick and established Religion : And I hope by the Grace of God to continue still in the same mind ; for since that Light , with which Religion illuminates our mind , is according to my sense of things , purely an effect of the Mercy of God to us , we ought then , as I think , to render to God all possible Thanks for his Goodness to us : and to have Pity for those who are still shut up in Error , even as God has pitied us , and to put up most earnest prayers to God , for bringing those into the way of Truth , who stray from it , and to use all gentle and friendly methods for reducing them to it . But I confess , I could never comprehend how any that profess themselves Christians , and that may enjoy their Religion freely and without any disturbance , can judge it lawful for them to go about to disturb the Quiet of any Kingdom or State , or to overturn Constitutions , that so they themselves may be admitted to Employments , and that those Laws in which the Security and Quiet of the Established Religion consists , should be shaken . It is plain , that the Reformed Religion is by the Grace of God and by the Laws of the Land , enacted by both King and Parliament , the publick and established Religion both in England , Scotland and Ireland and that it is provided by those Laws , that none can be admitted either to a place in Parliament , or to any publick Employment except those that do openly declare , that they are of the Protestant Religion , and not Roman Catholicks ; and it is also provided by those Laws , that the Protestant Religion shall be in all time coming secured from the Designs of the Roman Catholicks against it ; in all which I do not see , that these Laws contain any Severity , either against the Persons or Estates of those who cannot take those Tests , that are contrary to the Roman Catholick Religion ; all the inconveniences that can redound to them from thence , is , that their Persons , their Estates , and even the Exercise of their Religion being assured to them , only they can have no share in the Government , nor in Offices of ●rust , as long as their Consciences do not allow them to take these Tests : and they are not suffered to do any thing that is to the prejudice of the Reformed Religion . Since , as I have already told you , Their Highnesses are ready to concur with his Majesty for the Repeal of those Penal Laws , by which men are made liable to fines or other Punishments . So I see there Remains no difficulty concerning the Repealing the Penal Laws , but only this , that some would have the Roman Catholicks , render'd capable of all publick Trusts and Employments , and that by consequence , all those should be repealed that have secured the Protestane Religion against the designs of the R. Catholicks , where others at the same time are not less earnest to have those Laws maintained in their full and due vigour ; and think , that the chief security of the established Religion consists in the preserving of them sacred and unshaken . It is certain , that there is no Kingdom , Commonwealth , or any constituted body or Assembly whatsoever , in which there are not Laws made for the safety thereof ; and that provide against all Attempts whatsoever , that disturb their Peace , and that prescribe the Conditions and Qualities that they judge necessary for all that shall bear Employments in that Kingdom , State or Corporation : And no man can pretend , that there is any Injury done him , that he is not admitted to Imployments when he doth not satisfie the Conditions and Qualities required . Nor can it be denied , that there is a great difference to be observed in the conduct of those of the Reformed Religion , and of the Roman Catholicks towards one another : The Roma Catholicks not being satisfied to exclude the Reformed from all places of profit or of Trust , they do absolutely suppress the whole Exercise of that Religion , and severely persecute all that profess it ; and this they do in all those places where it is safe and without danger , to carry on that rigour . And I am sorry that we have at this present so many deplorable Instances of this severity before our eyes , that is at the same time put in practice in so many different places . I would therefore gladly see one single good reason to move a Protestant that fears God , and that is concerned for his Religion , to consent to the Repealing of those Laws that have been enacted by the Authority of King and Parliament , which have no other tendency but to the security of the Reformed Religion , and to the restraining of the Roman Catholicks from a capacity of overturning it ; these Laws inflict neither Fines nor Punishments , and do only exclude the Roman Catholicks from a share in the Government , who by being in Employments must needs study to increase their Party , and to gain to it more Credit and Power , which by what we see every day , we must conclude , will be extreamly dangerous to the Reformed Religion , and must turn to its great prejudice : since in all places , those that are in publick Employments , do naturally Favour that Religion of which they are , either more or less . And who would go about to perswade me or any man else to endeavour to move Their Highnesses , whom God hath honoured so far as to make them the Protectors of his Church , to approve of , or to consent to things so hurtful , both to the Reformed Religion and to the publick safety . Nor can I , Sir , with your good leave , in any way grant what you apprehend , That no prejudice will thereby redound to the Reformed Religion . I know it is commonly said the number of the Roman Catholicks in England and Scotland is very inconsiderable ; and that they are possessed only of a very small number of the places of Trust : tho even as to this , the case is quite different in Ireland : yet this you must of necessity grant me , that if their numbers are small , then it is not reasonable that the publick Peace should be disturbed on the account of so few persons , especially when so great a favour may be offered to them ; such as the free Exercise of their Religion would be : and if their numbers are greater , then there is so much the more reason to be affraid of them ; I do indeed believe that Roman Catholicks , as things at present stand , will not be very desirous to be in publick Offices and Imployments , nor that they will make any attempts upon the Reformed Religion , both because this contrary to Law , and because of the great Inconveniences that this may bring at some other time both on their Persons , and their Estates : yet if the Restraints of the Law were once taken off , you would see them brought into the Government , and the chief Offices and Places of Trust would be put in thnir hands ; no will it be easy to His Majesty to resist them in this , how stedfast soever he may be ; for they will certainly press him hard in it , and they will represent this to the King , as a matter in which His Conscience will be concerned ; and when they are possessed of the Publick Offices , what will be left for the Protestants to do , who will find no more the support of the Law , and can expect little Encouragement from such Magistrates ? and on the other hand , the Advantages that the R. Catholicks would find in being thus set loose from all Restraints , are so plain , that it were a loss of time to go about the proving it . I neither can or will doubt of the sincerity of His Majesties intentions , and that He has no other design before Him in this matter , but that all his Subjects may enjoy in all things the same Rights and Freedoms . But plain Reason , as well as the Experience of all Ages , the present as well as the past shews , that it will be impossible for R. Catholicks and Protestants , when they are mixed together in places of Trust and publick Employments , to live together peaceably , or to maintain a good Correspondence together . They will be certainly always jealous of one another ; For the Principles and the Maxims of both Religions are so opposite to one another , that in my opinion I do not see how it will be in the power of any Prince or King whatsoever , to keep down those Suspitions and Animosities , which will be apt to arise upon all occasions . As for that which you apprehend , that the Dissenters shall not be delivered from the Penal Laws that are made against them , unless at the same time the Test be likewise repealed : This will be indeed a great unhappiness to them ; but the Roman Catholicks are only to blame for it , who will rather be content that they and their Posterity should lie still under the weight of the Penal Laws , and exposed to the hatred of the whole Nation , than be still restrained from a capacity of attempting any thing against the Peace and the Security of the Protestans Religion , And be deprived of that small advantage ( if it is at all to be reckoned one ) of having a share in the Government and publick Employments ; since in all places of the World his has been always the priviledge of the Religion that is established by Law ; and indeed these Attempts of the Roman Catholicks ought to be so much the more suspected and guarded against by Protestants , in that they see that Roman Catholicks , even when liable to the Severity of Penal Laws , do yet endeavour to perswade his Majesty , to make the Protestants , whether they will or not , dissolve that Security which they have for their Religion : and to clear a way for bringing in the Roman Catholicks to the Government , and to publick Employments : in which case there would remain no relief for them but what were to be expected from a Roman Catholick Government . Such then will be very unjust to their Highnesses , who shall blame them for any Inconveniency that may arise from thence ; since they have declared themselves so freely on this subject , and that so much to the advantage even of the Roman Catholicks . And since the Settlement of matters sticks at this single point , that Their Highnesses cannot be brought to consent to things that are so contrary to Laws already in being , and that are so dangerous and so hurtful to the Protestant Religion , as the admitting of Roman Catholicks to a share in the Government , and to places of Trust , and the Repealing of those Laws , that can have no other effect but the securing of the Protestant Religion from all the Attempts of the Roman Catholicks against it would be . You write , That the Roman Catholicks in these provinces are not shut out from the Employments and places of Trust ; But in this you are much mistaken . For our Laws are express , excluding them by name from all share in the Government , and from all Employments either of the Policy or Justice of our Country . It is true , I do not know of any express Law , that shuts them out of Military Employments ; that had indeed been hard , since in the first Formation of our State they joyned with us in defending our publick Liberty , and did us eminent service during the Wars ; therefore they were not shut out from those Military Employments ; for the publick safety was no way endanger'd by this , both because their numbers that served in our Troops were not great , and because the States could easily prevent any Inconvenience that might arise out of that ; which could not have been done so easily , if the Roman Catholicks had been admitted to a Share in the Government , and in the Policy or Justice of our State I am very certain of this , of which I could give very good proofs , that there is nothing which Their Highnesses desire so much , as that His Majesty may Reign happily , and in an entire Confidence with his Subjects ; and that His subjects being perswaded of His Majesties fatherly affection to them , may be ready to make him all the returns of Duty that are in th●●● Power . But their Highnesses are convinced in their Consciences , that both the Protestant Religion , and the safety of the Nation , will be exposed to most certain Dangers , if either the Test , or those other Penal Laws , of which I have made frequent mention , should be Repealed ; Therefore they cannot consent to this , nor concur with His Majesty's Will ; for they believe , they should have much to Answer for to God , if the consideration of any present advantages should carry them to consent and concur in things which they believe would be not only dangerous , but mischievous to the Protestant Religion . Their Highnesses have ever pay'd a most profound Duty to His Majesty whcih they will always continue to do ; for they consider themselves bound to it , both by the Laws of God , and of Nature : But since the matter that is now in hand , relates not to the making of new Laws , but to the total Repealing of those already made both by King and Parliament : They do not see how it can be expected of them , that they should consent to such a Repeal , to which they have so just an aversion , as being a thing that is contrary to the Laws and Customs of all Christian States , whether Protestants or Papists , who receive ●one to a share in the Government , or to publick Employments , but those who profess the publick and established Religion , and that take care to secure it against all attempts whatsoever . I do not think it necessary to demonstrate to you how much their Highnesses are devoted to His Majesty , of which they have given such real Evidences as are beyond all verbal ones ; and they are resolved still to continue in the same Duty and Affection ; or rather to encrease it , if that is possible . I am , SIR , Yours , &c. Novemb. 4. 1687. Amsterdam , Printed in the Year 168● Reflexions on Monsieur Fagel's Letter . SIR , I Shall endeavour to answer yours as fully and briefly as possible . 1. You desire to know whether the Letter I sent you be truly Monsieur Fagel's or not . 2. Whether their Highnesses gave him Commission to write it . 3. How far the Dissenters may relie on their Highnesses word . 4. What effects it has on all sorts of People . Sir , Roman Catholicks may be pardoned if they endeavour to make that Letter pass for an Imposture , it is their Interest so to do , and they are seldom wanting to promote that , let the methods be never so indirect which they are forced to make use of : It does indeed spoil many hopeful projects of theirs . But how any Protestant among us can really doubt the truth of it , is strange to me . Some things carry their own evidence along with them : I take this Letter to be one of that kind . I do not desire you to believe me upon my bare affirmation that I know it to be genuine , ( tho this be most true ) but shall offer my Reasons to convince you that it cannot be otherways . First , The Letter is like its Author , the Matter is weighty , the Reasoning solid , the Stile grave , full and clear , like that of a Lawyer : It has an Air all over , which as well shews the Religion and Temper of its Writer , as the Matter and Method of it do his Capacity and Judgment . Now all these Qualities make up the Character of Monsieur Fagel . Secondly , There are the same grounds to believe this Letter to be M. Fagel's , as there are to believe any thing you have not seen , viz. The constant Asseverations of Persons of undoubted Credit that come from Holland , who all agree in it , and assure us of it . M. Fagel own'd it to several English Gentlemen , and many both here and in Holland knew two months ago that such a Letter was written ; a Forgery would before this time have been detected , esecially such a one as ruines the Designs of the Triumphing Party . Thirdly , It was written by M. Fagel in Answer to Letters from Mr. Stewart , sent by His Majesties special Orders , and Mr. Stewart hath both an English and Latin Copy sent him : Therefore the English Copy is not called a Translation , but it is a sort of Original ; for you are not to doubt but the matter was ordered so , that her Royal Highness might peruse it as well as his Majesty . In the next place you would know whether their Highnesses gave Order to Monsieur Fagel to write it . I wish Sir , you would take the pains to read the Letter over again , and consider who this Monsieur Fagel is ; He is Pensionary of Holland , and first Ministor of State , raised to that Dignity by the Prince's Favour , he Answers Letters written to him , which are ordered by His Majesty to be communicated to their Highnesses . In his Answer , he gives an Aceount of their Highnesses Opinions about the Repeal of the Penal Laws and Test ; Matters of a National Concern , and of the greatest Importance . Now you must have a strange Opinion of Monsieur Fagel , if you think him capable of so great an indiscretion ( or rather Imposture ) as to write such a Letter of his own Head. The Letter it self Demonstrates , that whoever writ it is no Fool , and the Circumstances I have marked show that he is no Knave . And indeed the substance of it is not new , it only repeats to His Maiesty the same Answer which the Prince and Princess had formerly given to His Majesties Envoy there . In short , you may leave the whole Matter to this plain issue : if this Letter be a false one it will be disown'd , if a true one it will be owned . Their Highnesses love not to do things that will not bear the Light. It is Evident , they did not intend the Matter of it should be a Secret , having told it to Monsieur d'Albeville , as often as he ( in his Discreet Way ) necessitated them to do it . But how it came to be Printed , I cannot inform you justly ; however you shall have my conjecture . I remember as soon as it was noised about Town , that Mr. Stewart had received a Letter of such a Nature from Monsieur Fagel , care was taken that the Writer of the Common News Letters which are dispersed over the Kingdom , should insert in them that their Highnesses had declared , themselves for the Repeal of the Test . This Pias Fraus might , I suppose , give Occasion to the Printing of the Letter , as the Wisdom and Policy of our States-men ( in putting Mr. Stewart on Writing such Letters ) had procured it : I say Letters , for Monsieur Fagel had five or six on that subject before he answered , so unwilling were they in Holland to return an Answer , since they could not give one that was pleasing , or do any thing that look'd like meddling . The third Thing you desired to be satisfied in , is , Whether the Dissenters may rely on their Highnesses Word . I am as apt to mistrust Princes Promises as you are . But shall now give you my reasons , why I think the Dissenters may safely do it . And at the same time , because of the Affinity of the matter , I will tell you why I think we may all rely on their Highnesses for our Civil Liberties , as well as the Dissenters may do for Liberty of Conscience . Much of what I have to say is equally applicable to them both , yet because I know you have had an Account of Her Royal Highness , better than I can give you , I shall for the most part , speak only of the Prince . My first Reason is the certainest of all Reasons , That it will be His Highnesses interest to settle matters at Home , which only can be done by a Legal Toleration or Comprehension in Matters of Religion ; and by restoring the Civil Liberties of the Nation , so much invaded of late . That this will be his interest is Evident , if his Designs lye abroad , as it 's certain they do . Designs at home and abroad at the same time are so inconsistent , that we see His Majesty , though raised above his Fears at home by His late Victory ; and invited abroad , by all that can excite his Appetite for Glory , cannot reconcile them : The truth is , one that would undertake it , is in the same Condition with Officers that beat their men , to make them fight , they have Enemies before and behind . But you may happily Object , that Princes do not always follow their true Interests , of which it is not difficult in this Age to give several Fatal Instances . I Answer , That it is to be presumed that Princes , as well as other men , will follow their Interests till the contrary appear ; and if they be of an Age to have taken their Fold , and have till such Age kept firm to their Interests , the Presumption grows strong ; but if their Inclinations , the Maxims of their Families , the Impressions of their Education , and all their other Circumstances do side with their Interest , and lead them the same way , it is hardly Credible they should ever quit it . Now this being the present Case , we have all the certainty that can be had in such matters . The Prince of Orange has above these 15 years given so great proofs of his Firmness and Resolution , as well as of his Capacity and conduct in opposing the Grand Ravisher ( I may add the Betrayers too ) of Liberty and Religion , that he is deservedly ( by all Impartial Men ) own'd to be the Head of the Protestant Interest : A Headship , which no Princes but the Kings of England should have , and none but they would be without it . Now one may rationally conclude , That when the Prince shall joyn to his present possession of this Headship , a more Natural Title , by being in a greater capacity to Act , he will not degrade himself , nor lay aside Designs and Interests which ought to be the Glory of England , as they are indeed the Glory of his Family , acquired and derived to him by the Blood of his Ancestors , and carried on and maintained by himself with so much Honour and Reputation . I might add here , That the Prince is a Man of a sedate even Temper , full of Thoughts and Reflection : one that precipitates neither in Thinking , Speaking , nor Acting ; is cautious in Resolving and Promising , but firm to his Resolutions and exact in observing his Word : inform your self , and you 'll find this a part of his Character , and conclude from hence what may be presumed from his Inclinations . Now as to the Maxims of his Family , let us compare them a little where it may be decently done . The French King broke his Faith to his Protestant Subjects , upon this single point of Vain Glory , that he might shew the World he was greater than most of his Predecessors , who though they had the same Inclinations , were not Potent enough to pursue them effectually , as he has done , to the everlasting Infamy of his Name and Reign . The maxims of the French Kings have been to outvie each other , in Robbing their Neighbours , and Oppressing their Subjects by perfidiousness and cruelty . But those of the Family of Orange on the contrary , have been to Rescue Europe from its Oppressors , and maintain the Protestant Interest , by Vertue , Truth , Honour and Resolution ; knowing that such methods are as necessary to make Protestant Princes and States flourish , as Vice and Oppression are to maintain Popish Government . No Popish Prince in Europe can pretend to have kept his Word to his Protestant Subjects , as the Princes of Orange have always done to their Popish subjects at Orange , and elsewhere ; and the Papists have often broke their Word to that Family , and have been , and are its declared Enemies ; and though the Princes two great Grand-Fathers , Admiral Coligni , and Prince William , were Assassinated by the Authority , and with the Approbation of that whole party , yet it cannot be made appear , that ever the Princes of that Family failed in keeping their Word , even to such Enemies , or used their own Popish subjects the worse for it , in making distinction between them and their other subjects , or influenc'd the States to use theirs so : I say the States , who allow their R. C. subjects all the priviledges of their other subjects , only they are kept by a Test from having any share in the Government , which is truly a kindness done them , considering that ill-natured Humour of destroying all those that differ from them , which is apt to break out when that Religion is in power . Now the Church of England may justly expect all sort of protection and countenance from the successors , when it 's their turn to give it , they have a legal right to it , and Impartial Dissenters must acknowledge , that of late they have deserved it . But as for the Protestant Dissenters , I think no honest man amongst them will Apprehend , that their Highnesses who keep their Word to their Popish Enemies , will break it to Protestant subject , tho differing from the publick Establishment . The next thing I am to make good , is , That His Highnesses Education must have infused such principles as side with his Interest : There must be a fatal Infection in the English Crown , if matters miscarry in his Highnesses Hands , his Veins are full of the best Protestant Blood in the World : The Reformation in France grew up under the Conduct and Influence of Coligni . Prince William founded the Government of the United Netherlands on the Basis of property and liberty of Conscience . His Highness was bred and lives in that State which subsists and flourishes by adhering steadily to the Maxims of its Founder . He himself , both in his publick and private concerns , as well in the Government of his Family , and of such principalities as belong to him , as in that of the Army , and in the Dispensing of that great power which the States have given him , has as great regard to Justice , Vertue and true Religion , as may compleat the character of a Prince , qualified to make those he Governs happy . It does not indeed appear , that their Highnesses have any share of that devouring Zeal which hath so long set the World on fire , and tempted thinking men to have a notion of Religion it self , like that we have of the Ancient Paradice , as if it had never been more than an intended Blessing , but all who have the honour to know their Highnesses and their Inclinations in matters of Religion , are fully satisfied they have a truly Christian Zeal , and as much as is consistent with Knowledge and Charity . As to his Highnesses circumstances , they will be such when his Stars make way for him , as may convince our Scepticks , that certain persons , times and things , are prepared for one another . I know not why we may not hope , that as his predecessors broke the Yoke of the House of Austria from off the Neck of Europe ; The honour of breakin● that of the House of Bourbon is reserved for him . I am confident the Nation will heartily joyn with him in his Just Resentments . Resentments which they have with so much Impatience long'd to find , and have miss'd with the greatest indignation in the Hearts of their Monarchs . His Highness has at present , a greater influence on the Councils of the most part of the Princes of Christendom , than possibly any King of England ever had . And this acquired by the weight of his own personal merit , which will no doubt grow up to a glorious Authority when it is cloath'd with Soveraign power . May I here mention ( to ●ay the Jealousies of the most unreasonable of your Friends ) that his Highness will have only a borrowed Title , which he may suppose will make him more catious in having designs at home , and his wanting Children ( to our great misfortune ) will make him less solicitous to have such Designs . But after all , it must be acknowledged , that in matters of this Nature , the premises may seem very strong , and yet the conclusion not follow . Humane infirmities are great , Temptations to Arbitrariness are strong , and often both the Spirit and Flesh weak . Such fatal mistakes have been made of late , that the Successors themselves may justly pardon mens Jealousies , A Widow that has had a bad Husband , will cry on her Wedding-day , though she would be married with all her heart . But I am confident you will grant to me , that in the case of the present Successors , the possibilities are as remote , and the Jealousies as ill grounded , and that there is as much to ballance them , as ever there was to be found in the prospect of any Successors to the Crown of England . Now may I add , To conclude the Reasons that I have given you , why we may depend on their Highnesses , that I know considerable men , who after great Enquiry and Observation , do hope that their Highesses ( being every way so well qualified for such an end ) are predestinated ( if I may speak so ) to make us happy in putting an end to our Differences , and in fixing the Prerogative , and in recovering the Glory of the Nation , which is so much sunk , and which now ( when we were big with Expectations ) we find Sacrific'd to unhappy partialities in matters of Religion . The last thing you desire to know , is , What Effects this Letter has had . But it is not yet old enough for me to judge of that , I can better tell you what Effects it ought to have . I find the moderate wise men of all Perswasions are much pleased with it . I know Roman Catholicks that wish to God matters were settled on the model given in it ; they see the great difficulty of getting the Test Repealed : And withal , they doubt whether it is their Interest that it should be Repealed or not : They fear needy violent men might get into Employments who would put His Majesty on doing things that might ruine them and their Posterity . They are certainly in the right of it . It is good to provide for the worst . A Revolution will come with a Witness ; and it 's like it may come before the Prince of Wales be of Age to manage an unruly Spirit , that I fear will accompany it . Humane Nature can hardly digest what it is already necessitated to swallow , such provocations even alters mens Judgments . I find that men who otherways hate severity , begin to be of opinion that Queen Elizabeths Lenity to the R. C's proves now cruelty to the Protestants . The whole Body of Protestants in the Nation was lately afraid of a Popish Successor , and when they Reflected on Queen Maries Reign , thought we had already sufficient Experience of the Spirit of that Religion ; and took Self-preservation to be a good Argument , for preventing a second Tryal . But now a handful of Roman Catholicks , perhaps reflecting on Queen Elizabeths Reign , are not it seems afraid of Protestant Successors . But if some Protestants at that time from an Aversion to the Remedy , hoped that the Disease was not so dangerous as it proves , I am confident at present , all Protestants are agreed , that henceforward the Nation must be saved , not by Faith. And therefore I would advise the R. C's to consider that Protestants are still men , that late Experiences at home , and the Cruelties of Popish Princes abroad , has given us a very terrible Idea of their Religion . That opportunity is precious and very slippery , and if they let the present occasion pass by , they can hardly ever hope that it will be possible for them to recover it . That their Fathers and Grandfathers would have thought themselves in Heaven to have had such an offer as this is , in any of the four last Reigns , and therefore , that they had better be contented with Half a Loaf , than no Bread. I mean it will be their Wisdom to embrace this Golden Occasion of putting themselves on a level with all other English-men ; at least as to their private Capacity ; and to disarm once for all , the Severity of those Laws ; which if ever they should come to be in good earnest Executed by a Protestant Suceessor , will make England too hot for them : And therefore I should particularly advise those among them , who have the Honour to approach His Majesty , to use their Credit , to prevail with him to make this so necessary a step in favour of the Nation ; since the Successors have advanc'd two thirds of the way for effecting so good and pious a work . Then , and not till then , the R. C's may think themselves secured , and His Majesty may hope to be great by Translating Fear and Anger from the Breasts of His Subjects , to the Hearts of His Own and the Nations Enemies . But if an Evil Genius ( which seems to have hovered over us now a long time ) will have it otherwise ; if I were a R. C. I would meddle no more , but live quiet at home , and Caress my Protestant Neighbours ; and in so doing , I should think my self better secured against the Resentments of the Nation , than by all the Forces , Forts , Leagues , Garranties , and even Men Children that His Majesty may hope to leave behind him . As for the Protestant Dissenters , I am confident the Body of them will continue to behave themselves like men , who to their great Honour have ever preferred the Love of their Country and Religion to all Dangers and Favours whatsoever , but there are both Weak and Interested men among all great numbers ; I would have them consider how much the state of things is altred , upon the coming out of this Letter , for if hitherto they have been too forward in giving Ear to Proposals on this mistake , that they could never have such a favourable Juncture for getting the Laws against them Repealed ; I hope now they are undeceived , since the Successors have pawn'd their Faith and Honour for it , which I take to be a better security ( as matters go at present ) than the so much talk'd of Magna Charta for Liberty of Conscience would be , though got in a legal way ; for our Judges have declared , That Princes can dispence with the Obligation of Laws , but they have not yet given their Opinion , that they can dispence with the Honour of their Word ; nor have their Highnesses any Confessor to supply such an Omission . However it is not to be charg'd on their Highnesses , if such a Magna Charta be not at present given them , provided the Test be let alone ; but I fear the Roman Catholicks Zeal will have all or nothing ; and the Test too must be Repealed , by wheedling the Dissenters to joyn with willing Sheriffs in violating the Rights of Elections , which are the Root of the Liberties of England ; a prudent way of recommending their Religion to all true English-men . But if any of the Dissenters be so destitute of Sense and Honesty , as to prefer a Magna Charta , so obtained , Void and Null in it self , to their own Honour and Conscience , to the Love and Liberties of their Countrey , to the present Kindness of all good Men , and their Countenance at another time , and above all , to the Favour and Word of the Successors , who have now so generously declared themselves for them ; We may pronounce , that they are men abandoned to a Reprobate sense , who will justly deserve Infamy , and the Hatred of the Nation at present , and its Resentments hereafter . Is it possible , that any Dissenter , who either deserves or loves the Reputation of an Honest Man , can be prevailed with by any pretences of Insinuations how plausible soever , to make so Odious and pernicious a bargain , as that of buying a precarious pretended Liberty of Conscience , at the price of the Civil Liberties of the Country , and at the price of removing that which under God is the most effectual Bar to keep us from the Dominion of a Religion , that wouldas soon as it could , force us to abandon our own , or reduce us to the Miserable Condition of those of our Neighbours , who are glad to forsake all they have in the World , that they may have their Souls and Lives for prey . As for the Church of England , their Clergy have of late oppos'd themselves to Popery , with so much Learning , Vigour , Danger and Success , that I think all honest Dissenters will lay down their Resentments against them , and look on that Church , as the present Bulwark and Honour of the Protestant Religion . I wish those high men among them , who have so long appropriated to themselves , the name and Authority of the Church of England , and have been made Instruments to bring about Designs , of which their present Behaviour convinces me , they were ignorant , as I suppose many of the Dissenters are , whose turn it is now to be the Tools . I say , I wish such men would consider , to what a pass they have brought Matters by their Violences , or rather the Violences of these whose Property they were , and at length be wise ; They cannot but be sensible of the Advantages they receive by this Letter . I suppose they apprehend ( I am sure they ought to do it ) that the Ruine of their Church is resolv'd on : But if the Dissenters upon this Letter withdraw themselves , the R. C's have neither Hearts to keep firm to such a Resolution , nor Hands to Execute it . Since therefore , They themselves , have unhappily brought their Church into such Pre●pices by provoking the Dissenters , it is in a particular manner their Duty , as well as their laterest , to endeavour to soften them , by assisting the Letter , and promoting the Design of it . But if the old leaven still remain , they continue to argue as formerly , if the Surplice be parted with , the Church of England is lost ; if the Penal Laws be repealed , the Test will follow : and comfort themselves with this most Christian reflection , that the R. C. will not accept of what is offered them ; such men deserve all the misery that is preparing for them , and will perish without Pity , and give thinking Men occasion to remember the Proverb , Beat a Fool ( or a Zealot ) in a Morter , yet his Foolishness will not depart from him . But the Dissenters ought not to be much concerned at this , they have their own Bigots , and the Church of England theirs ; there will be Tools whilst there are Workmen . This a time for Wisdom to be justified of her Children , when honest men ought to leave off minding the lesser Interests of this or that particular Church , and joyn in securing the common Interest of the Protestant Religion . And to conclude , I would particularly beg of the Dissenters to make use of their best Judgment on this so critical an occasion , which they will do in my opinion , in keeping close to the contents of this Letter , by endeavouring to obtain in a fair and legal way such a Liberty to all Perswasions , as is the Natural Right of Freemen , and as our Protestant Successors declare themselves willing to joyn in ; and if those who have an equal , nay a greater Interest than themselves , will not agree to such a Liberty , because they will be Masters or nothing ; the Dissenters will have the comfort of having discharged their own Consciences , as prudent Men and good Christians ought to do , and may safely trust God with the Event . Sir , I thought I had made an end , but looking your Letter over again , I find I have forgot to answer a reason or two you give , why you doubt whether the Letter be truly M. Fagels : You are informed ( you say ) that such and such Great Men doubted of it ; but some might as well pretend to doubt of the Truth of that Letter , ( tho they knew it to be true ) as believe Her Majesty to be with Child , almost before she knew it Her self ; and that she was quick , when the Embryo , as Anatomists say , is not much above an Inch long ; I don't think that Popish Successors , like certain weeds , grow faster than others : The Persons you name may Trim , and presume on their Merit , least they might be thought capable of Resentment . A dangerous Reflection . I say their Merit ; you have seen a long relation of the great services some ( when they were in power ) did their Highnesses ; it is bound up with a relation of the true causes of their sufferings for their ( or rather their Highnesses ) Religion . You know even how one of them the last Summer payed them his reverence with all the Respect and Humility of a due distance , and with the same caution with which the Invincible Monarch fights out of Cannon shot . But , Sir , though the character of a Trimmer be ordinarily the character of a Prudent Man , there are times and seasons when it is not the Character of an Honest Man. I acknowledge that since their Highnesses Marriage , nothing has hapned so much for the good of the Protestant Interest as this Letter of M. Fagels , and if I had been either the Writer or Adviser of it , I should be very proud of it , and think the Nation much in my debt . But Sir , that was not a very good reason to make you doubt of it ; for a good cause will have its time , tho not so often as a bad one , which hath ordinarily the Majority on its side . I am confident at present we have all the reason in the world to expect it , for my own part , though I am neither young nor strong , I hope to live to see a day of Jubilee in England for all that deserve it ; when honest men shall have the same pleasure in thinking on these times , that a Woman happily delivered hath in reflecting on the pain and danger she was in . But Knaves shall remember them , as I am told the damned do their sins , Cursing both them and themselves . Sir , I am Yours . January 12 , 1688. A Letter Writ by Mijn Heer Fagel , Pensioner to the Great and Mighty Lords , the States of Holland and Westfriesland . Writ in French on the 9th of April , N. Stile 1688. To the Marquiss of Albeville , Envoy Extraordinary of His Majesty of Great Britain , to the High and Mighty the States General of the Vnited Provinces . To which is prefixt an Account in Dutch of the Letter Writ by Mijn Heer Fagel , on the 4th of November , in the year 1687. to Mr. Stewart , written by the said Pensioner , and Published by his Order . Printed at the Hague by James Scheltus , Printer to the States of Holland and Westfriesland . Translated out of the French and Dutch into English . READER , I Gaspar Fagel , having the honour to serve the Great and Mighty States of Holland and Westfriesland , in the Quality of their Pensioner , cannot any longer delay the giving the Publick this account , that in the month of July last 1687. I was very earnestly desired by Mr. James Stewart Advocate , to write to him what were the Prince and Princess of Orange's Thoughts concerning the repealing the Test and the Penal Laws : but I was not easily brought to put Pen to Paper on this subject , because I knew that their Highnesses Thoughts did not agree with his Majesties ; so that the writing in such matters was extream tender : therefore I delayed it till I was more earnestly pressed to it : and it was Intimated to me , that those pressing desires were made by His Majesties Knowledge and Allowance : at last I did according to the mind of their Highnesses , draw the Letter which I writ to Mr. Stewart on the 4th of November : I transmitted the draught of my Letter to their Highnesses , and received upon it their order to send it , after that their Highnesses had read and examined the draught in Dutch , together with the Translation of it into English : upon all this I sent my Letter to Mr. Stewart in the beginning of November ; and received an answer from him , by which he signified , that he had shewed my Letter , both to the Earl of Melfort and to the Earl of Sunderland , and that it was also shewed to the King himself ; nor did he in the least intimate to me that it was desired that I should make any great secret of it ; or take care that it should not become publick : That Letter , was afterwards about the middle of January , Printed in England ; and upon its coming over into this Country , it has occasioned a great deal of noise ; yet I have not hitherto concerned my self in all those discourses , or in all that has been writ and printed upon it , but have let all people reason or write concerning it as they pleased : But I have lately seen an English Book , entitled , Parliamentum Pacificum , printed in London , in this present year , by vertue of a Licence signed by the Earl of Sunderland ; in which that Letter writ by me , is not only called a Pretended Piece , but it is said , that which I had set forth in my Letter , concerning the Prince and Princesses Thoughts , relating to the repeal of the Test and the Penal Laws was advanced by me without the knowledge of their Highnesses , at least of her Royal Highness : and by this the Reader may be perhaps wrought on to believe either that my Letter was a Pretended Piece , and Forgery , or that I writ it without Order from their Highnesses ; since it may indeed seem scarce probable , that the Author could have obtained a License for the printing of a paper that contains such falshoods in it , which the Court and in particular the Earl of Sunderland could not but know to be such : for they know well both that the Letter was writ by me , and that I was ordered to write it by their Highnesses : therefore I could not delay any longer to undeceive the World. Thus I am obliged to publish this account of the matter . I have still in my possession , those Letters by which I was earnestly pressed to write the fore-mentioned Letter , in which it is expresly said , that they were writ by His Majesties Knowledge and Allowance : I have also that Letter in which notice is given that my Letter had come to hand , and that it was shewed not only to the Earls of Melf●rt and Sunderland , but to his Majesty himself , so that they know well that it is no Pretended Piece . I have also by me the Letter , by which His Highneses desired me to send ●●●●●ter to Mr. Stewart , together with the English Translation of it : all which I will print , if I find it necessary . So that it is a gross abuse put on the World , to say that my Letter is a forgery , since as it was truly writ by me , so it has been avowed by me ever since it first appeared : And it is a base Calumny and Slander , to say , that I writ that account of their Highnesses thoughts concerning the Repeal of the Test and the Penal Laws without their knowledge : which appears so much the more evident , since it cannot be imagined , that their Highnesses would not have expressed their just resentments , at so high and extravagant a presumption as I should have committed , if I had written any account of their thoughts , without their knowledg : All this has obliged me for my own Vindication to write the following Letter , to the Marquess of Albeville , His Majesties Envoy to the States : because I have had much discourse with him concerning the writing of that Letter , long before this book called Parliamentum Pacificum was published : but I will not engage my self any further to examine the reasonings of the Author of that Phmphlet : for I know well , that in those matters the world is divided into very different sentiments , and that men are apt to approve or censure such things , according to their preconceived Opinions : Of all this I thought it necessary to advertise my Reader , and to order this account of my Letter to be printed by a known Printer , from a Copy signed by my hand . At the Hague the 10th . of April , 1688. GASPAR FAGEL . A Copy of the Letter Writ by Mijn Heer Fagel , to the Marquis of Albeville , bearing date the 9th . of April , 1688. SIR , THere has appeared here an English book , Printed at London this year , entitled Parliamentum Pacificum with an Im●rimatur before it signed by the Earl of Sunderland : ●f which I cannot but complain to you how averse soever I am 〈◊〉 things of that kind . It is affirmed in that book , that the Letter which I writ to Mr. Stewart the 4th . of November last year , concerning the Test and the Penal Laws is a Pretended Piece , or at least that I writ it without order ; and without the consent of their Highnesses , and more particularly of her Royal Highness the PRINCESS of ORANGE : I will not engage my self to examin and refute the particulars that are in that Book , for that were as unsuteable to the Character I bear , as it is to my own Inclinations ; which do both concur in making it unfit for me to enter upon a publick dispute in things of this nature : But you cannot think it strange , if I desire you to call to mind , that it was not of my own head that I was engaged to write that Letter which is now called in question : it was far from that . I was pressed by earnest and often repeated Instances for the space of four months , that were made to me in His Majesties name , to write upon that subject ; which at last prevailed with me ; yet I went about it with all the caution that a matter of such Importance required ; and I took care not to write one single period in that whole Letter , that I apprehended might give His Majesty the least offence : yet after all I see this Letter is treated as an Imposture , in a Book published by Authority : tho both his Majesty and the whole Court know the truth of this matter ; which Sir , I have in particular owned to your self , as being the Kings Minister here : as I have also owned it to all that have spoke to me upon the Subject . But that which troubles more is , that I am accused for having made use of their Highnesses name , and in particular of her Royal Highnesses without their Order , as if I were capable of so Infamous a Forgery , and of an Imposture so unworthy of any man of honour , and that chiefly in a matter of so great Consequence . Sir , you must not think it strange , if in this I appeal to your self , to that which you know , and which you have often owned to me your self : that their Highnesses , and particularly Her Royal Highness have often expre●sed to you their thoughts concerning the Test and the Penal Laws , conform to that which I writ in their names : which you owned to me , that you had writ to the Court of England , long before I writ that Letter , and that therefore you could not imagin upon what reason the Court could press me so much as they did to write to Mr. Stewart . I do assure you , I find my self very little concerned in what is said in this late Book , or in any other of that kind : I foresaw well enough from the beginning that I should be attackt upon the account of my Letter : in which it was Indifferent to me what any man thought of it . But this Book being published by the authoaity of a Licence granted by the Earl of Sunderland , President of His Majesties Privy Council and Secretary of State , I find my honour is so touched in it , that I am obliged to undeceive the world , of the false accusation with which I am charged in it . And I thought Sir , that I could not do this better , than by writing to you , that are His Majestys Minister , and who know perfectly the truth of the matter that is now called in question : and therefore I desire you will write concerning it , to the Earl of Sunderland : I believe he has not seen or at least that he has not considered the passages of that Book that do concern me . For I am sure if he had done that , he would never have Licensed it : for my Lord Sunderland knows , as well as any man alive does , that my Letter to Mr. Stewart is no Pretended Piece : he himself saw the Letter , or at least the English Translation of it that I sent along with it : And he could not but know likewise , both by your Letters , and by what you told by word of mouth , that their Highnesses , and in particular Her Royal Highness , have often owned to you , their sense of the Test and the Penal Laws , conform to that which I writ in their name to Mr. Stewart . So I do persuade my self , that My Lord Sunderland will have the Justice and Goodness to recall this Licence , which has been obtained of him by a surprise : and that the Author of so manifest and so Injurious a Calumny , shall be punished as he deserveth . I will not likewise conceal from you , the design I have of publishing an account of all that has passed in this matter , as well as of this Letter , which I take the liberty now to write to you , in which my design is not to enter into any dispute concerning the matter it self , much less to offend any person whatsoever , but only to cover my Honour which is struck at by this attrocious Calumny . I am Sir your most humble and most obedient Servant GASPAR FAGEL . To all which this Attestation of the Printer is added . I the under subscribing James Scheltus Printer in Ordinary to the Great and Mighty Lords the States of Holland and Westfriesland , dwelling in the Hague , do declare and attest by these presents , that the Writing here published , together with the Copy of the Letter writ in French to the Marquis of Albeville , Envoy Extraordinary of His Majesty of Great Brittain to the States , were delivered into my hands in order to their being Printed , by Mijn Heer Gasper Fagel , Pesioner to the above named Lords and States of Holland and Westfriesland , and that I have printed them by his express Order . At the Hague the 10th of April 1688. J. SCHELTUS . Some Extracts , out of Mr. James Stewart's Letters , which were communicated to Mijn Heer Fagel , the States Pensionary of the Province of Holland . Together with some References to Mr. Stewart's Printed Letter . MR. Stewart staid about seven Months , after he had received the Pensionary's Letter , before he thought fit to write any Answer to it : and then instead of sending one in writing to the Pensioner , or in a Language understood by him , he has thought fit , by a Civility peculiar to himself , to Print an Answer in English , and to send it abroad into the World , before the Pensioner had so much as seen it . The many and great Affairs that press had upon that Eminent Minister , together with a sad want of Health , by which he has been long afflicted , have made that he had not the leisure to procure Mr. Stewart's Letter to be translated to him , and to compare the Matters of Fact related to in it , with the Letters that were writ the last year by Mr. Stwatr , which are in his Possession ; nor did he think it necessary , to make too much haste : And therefore if he has let as many Weeks pass , without ordering an Answer to be prepared , as the other had done Months , he thought that even this Slowness , might look like one that despised this indecent Attempt upon his Honour , that Mr. Stewart has made in giving so unjust a Representation of the matter of Fact. He hopes he is too well known to the World , to apprehend that any Persons would entertain the hard Thoughts of him , which Mr. Stewart's late Print may have offered to them ; and therefore he has proceeded in this matter , with the Slowness that he thought became his Integrity , since a greater Haste might have look'd like one that was uneasy , because he knew himself to be in Fault . As for the reasoning part of Mr. Stewart's Paper , he has already expressed himself in his Letter to Mr. d' Albeville , that he will not enter into any Arguing upon those Points , but will leave the Matter to the Judgement of every Reader ; therefore he has given order only to examine those Matters of Fact , that are set forth in the beginning of Mr. Stewart's Letters , that that so the World may have a true Account of the Motives that induced him to write his Letter to Mr. Stewart , from the words of Mr. Stewart's own Letters : And then he will leave it to the Judgment of every Reader , whether Mr. Stewart has given the Matter of Fact fairly or not . It is true , the Pensioner has not thought fit to print all Mr. Stewart's Letters , at their full length ; there are many Particulars in them for which he is not willing to expose him : And in this he has shewed a greater Regard to Mr. Stewart , than the Usage that he has met with from him deserves : If Mr. Stewart has kept Copies of his own Letters , he must see that the Pensioners Reservedness is rather grounded on what he thought became himself , than on what Mr. Stewart has deserved of him . But if Mr. Stewart , or any in his name , will take Advantages from this , that the Letters themselves are not published , and that here there are only Extracts of them offered to the World , then the Pensioner will be excused , if he Prints them all to a Tittle : The Truth is , it is scarce conceivable how Mr. Stewart could assume the Confidence that appears in his printed Letter , if he have kept Copies of the Letters that he writ last-Year : And if he engaged himself in Affairs of such Importance without keeping . Copies of what he writ , it was somewhat extraordinary : And yet this Censure is that which falls the softest on him : But I will avoid every thing that looks like a sharpness of Expression ; for the Pensioner expects , that he who is to give this Account to the English Nation , should rather consider the Dignity of the Post in which he is , than the Advantages that Mr. Stewart may have given for replying sharply on him . And in this whole matter the Pensioner's chief Concern is , to offer to the World such a Relation of the Occasions that drew his Letter to Mr. Stewart from him , as may justify him against the false Insinuations that are given : He owed this likewise as an Expression of his Respect and Duty to their Highnesses , in whose Name he wrote his Letter , and at whom all those false Representations are levelled , though they fall first and immediately upon himself . The Sum of the Matter of Fact , as it is represented by Mr. Stewart , amounts to this , That he was so surprised to see in January last , the Pensioner's Letter to him in Print , that he was inclined to disbelieve his own Eyes , considering the remoteness of the Occasion that was given for that Letter : That he had never writ to the Pensioner , but was expresly cautioned against it : but that seeing the Sincerity of the King's Intentions , he was desirous to contribute his small Endeavours for the advancing so good a Work , and for that end he obtained leave to write to a private Friend , who , he judged might have Opportunity to represent any thing he could say to the best Advantage : But that of the Letters which he writ to his Friend , there were only two intended for Communication , in which he studied to evince the Equity and Expediency , of repealing the Tests and the Penal Laws : And that with a peculiar regard , to the Prince and Princess Orange's Interest ; and he desired that this might be imparted to Friends , but chiefly to those at the Hague . And that this was the Substance of all that he writ on that Occasion . But finding that the Prince had already declared himself in those Matters , he resolved to insist no further : Yet his F●ind insinuating , That he had still Hopes to get a more distinct and satisfying Answer , from a better Hand , tho without naming the Person , he attended the Issue ; and about the beginning of November , almost Three Months after his first writing , he received the Pensioners Letter , though he had not writ to him ( which is repeated again and again ) and in it an Account of the Prince and Princess of Orange's Thoughts about the Repeal of the Tests and Penal Laws ( which he had not desired ) upon which he took some care to prevent the publishing of it : Put when he saw it in Print , he clearly perceived that it was printed in Holland ; and so wonders how the Pensioner could say , that it was printed in England , which he found in his printed Letter to Mr. d' Albeville ; he knows not upon what Provocation the Pensioner writ that Letter ; but in it he finds that he writ , that he was desired by himself to give him an Account of the Prince and Princess of Orange ' s Thoughts , and that these pressing Desires were made to him by His Majesties Knowledge and allowance ; this being so different from the Letters he had writ , of which he is sure that the Account he has given is true in every point , he was forced to vindicate the the King's Honour and his own Duty . He writ not out of any curiosity to know their Highnesses Though 's , which were already known , they having been signified to the Marquis of Albeville , and therefore he had no Orders from the King for writing on that Subject , but only a Permission to use his little Endeavours for the advancing of his Service ; but it was never moved to him to write , either in the King's Name or in the Name of any of his Secretaries . This is Mr. Stewart's Account in the first Nince Pages of his Letter , and is set down In his own Words . Now in opposition to all this , it will appear from the following Extracts , that Mr. Stewart writ to his Friend , as the most proper Interpreter for addressing himself to the Pensioner ; that he repeated his Proposition frequently , finding his Friend unwilling to engage in so critical a matter . He gives great ●●surances of his Majesty's Resolutions never to al●●r the Succession ( which is plainly the Language of a Treaty ) he presses over and over again to know the Prince's Mind , whose concurrence in the matter would be the best Guarentee of the●●iberty . He by name desires his Letters may be shewed to the Prince and Princess of Orange ( though he says , he only ●rder●d ●hem to be shewed to Friends at the Hague : so it seems he has the modesty to reckon them among the number of his Friends ; but it is a question whether their Highnesses do so or not . ) He says in one Leteer , That what he writ was from his Majesty himself , and enlarges more fully on this in two other Letters ; and he desires , that the Prince's Answers , with his Reasons , might be understood ; which very probably gave the Occasion to all the reasoning part of the Pensioner's Letter . And it appears by that Letter , that the Return to all this was expected by the King , and in almost every Letter he presses for a Return . And in conclusion , upon his receiving the Pensioner's Letter , he expresses likewise a great sense of the Honour done him in it ; that he had so far complied with his insignificant Endeavours , he mentions his acquainting both the King and the Earls of Sunderland and Melfort with it ; and in another Letter , after new Thanks for the Pensioner's Letter , he laments that it was so long delay'd . But all these things will appear more evident to the Reader from the Passages drawn out of Mr. Stewart's own Letters , which follow . Mr. Stewart seems not to know upon what Provocation the Pensioner writ to Mr. d' Albeville , and yet the Ponsioner had set that forth in the Letter it self ; for the Pamphlet entituled Parliamentum Pacificum , that was Licensed by the Earl of Sunderland , contained such Reflections on his Letter to Mr. Stewart , either as a Forgery , or as a thing done without the Princess of Orange ' s Knowledge , that the Pensioner judged himself bound in Honour to do himself right . As for Mr. Stewart's criticalness , in knowing that the Pensioner's Letter was first Printed in Holland , and his Reflection on the Pensioner for insinuating that the Letter was first Printed in England ; it is very like that Mr. Stewart , after so long a Practise in Libels , knows how to distinguish between the Prints of the several Nations better than the Pensioner , whose course of Life has raised him above all such Practices . But it is certain , that wheresoever it was first Printed , the Pensioner writ sincerely , and believed really it was first Printed in England . This is all that seemed necessary to be said for an Introduction to the following Extracts . July 12. 1687. AND I assure you by all I can find here , the establishment of this equal Liberty is his Majesty's utmost Design — I wish your people at the Hague do not mistake too far both his Majesty and the Dissenters ; for as I have already told you his Majesty's utmost Design , and have ground to believe , That his Majesty will preserve and observe the True Right of Succession , as a thing most sacred ; so I must entreat you to remark , That the Offence that some of the Church of England Men take at Addressing , seems to me unaccountable , and is apprehended by the Dissenters to proceed so certainly from their former and wonted Spirit , that they begin to think themselves in large more Hazard from the Church of England's Re-exaltation than all the Papists their Advantages . And next , that the Prince is thought to be abused by some there to a too great Mislike of that which can never wrong him , but will in probability in the event be wholly in his own power — I hope you will consider and make your best use of these things — I expect an Account of this per first , I mean , an Answer to this Letter , and pray improve it to the best Advantage . The Second Letter , without a Date . THat it is a thing most certain , that his Majesty is resolved to observe the Succession to the Crown as a thing most sacred , and is far from all Thoughts of altering the same ; and that his Majesty is very desirous to have the Prince and Princess of Orange to consent to and concur with him in establishing this Liberty — So that upon the whole it may be feared , that if the Prince continue obstinate in refusing his Majesty , he may fall under Suspicions of the greatest part of England and of all Scotland , to be too great a Favourer of the Church of England , and consequently a person whom they have reason to dread — And many think that this Compliance in the Prince , might be further a wise part , both as to the Conciliating of his Majesty's greater Favour , and the begetting of an Understanding betwixt the King and the States ; and the Parliament will consent to the Liberty so much the rather , that they have a Protestant Successor in prospect — I cannot on these things make any conclusion , but simply leave them to your Reflection , and the best use you please to make of them — I will expect your Answer per first . VVindsor , July . 18. 1687. THE Hints that I gave you in my two former Letters I shall now explain more fully in this — And therefore I heartily wish , that the Prince and Princess may understand all that you think needful on this Subject . It troubles his Majesty to find them so averse from approving this Liebrty , and concurring for its Establishment — so that in truth I cannot see why their Highnesses should not embrace cheerfully so fair an Opportunity to gratify both his Majesty and the far greater and better part of the Nation — Now upon the whole ; I expect that you will make all I have written fully known at the Hague , especially with the Prince — But the main thing I expect from you , is to have your mind , whether or not his Highness may be so disposed , as that a well Chosen Informer sent to himself might perfect the Work. And this Answer I will expect per first ; where ever the Prince be , you know who are to be spoken and how — I again entreat your Care and Dispatch in this , with your Return . London , July 29. 1687. MIne of the 19 July , with my last of the 26th July , V. St. will I am sure satisfy you fully ; for therein I have indeed answered all can be objected , and have given you such an Account of the Confirmation of all I have writ from his Majesty himself , that I must think it a Fatality if your people remain obstinate . — And I again assure you , if your people be obstinate , it will be fatal to the poor Dissenters , and I fear productive of Ills yet unheard of ; and therefore pray consider my Letters , and let me know if there be any place to receive Information by a good Hand — but however , let us endeavour Good all we can , and I assure you I have my Warrant . — Haste your Answer . Windsor , Aug. 5. 1687. AND in a word , believe me , if the Prince will do what is desired , it is the best service to the Protestants , the highest Obligation on his Majesty , and the greatest Advancement of his own Interest that he can think on ; but if not , then all is contrary — But pray haste an Answer . Windsor , Aug. 12. 1687. I Have yours of the 15. Instant , long looked for ; you remark , that you have received mine of the 26 of July , but say nothing of that of the 19. which was my fullest , and which I assure you was writ , not only with permission , but according to his Majesties Mind sufficiently expressed ; our Religion ought certainly to be dearer to us than all earthly Concerns . It is very true what you say , that mistakes about its Concerns ( especially in such a time ) may be of the greatest Importance , which no doubt should perswade to a very scrupulous Caution : But yet I am satisfied , That the simple Representing of what was wrote to you ( which was all I required ) was no such difficult Task — But to be plain with you , as my Friend , your return was not only long delayed , but I observe such a Coldness in it , different from the strain of your former , that I think I mistake not when I understand by your Letter more than you express — I wish the P. may see or hear this from end to end . London , Aug. 22. 1687. I Have yours of the 16th Instant ; when I said your last was more Cool , I meant not as your Affection , but as to your diligence in that Affair — for I am perswaded , that the establishing of this Liberty by Law , is not only the Interest of Protestant Dissenters above all others , but that his Highness s consenting to it , would be its secure Guarantee both against Changes and Abuses — As you love the Quiet of good Men and me , leave off Complements and Ceremonies , and discourse his Highness of all I have written — I am now hastening to Scotland — but may return shortly ; for the Kings is most desirous to gain the Prince and he will be undoubtedly the best Guarantee to us of this Liberty , and also to hinder all your Fears about Popery . Newwark , Aug. 26. 1687. BUT now I must tell you , that though — I know — to be my very good Friend , yet he hath not answered my Expectation ; for you see that to seven of mine , he gave me not one Word of Answer ; although I told him , that the substance of them was writ by the King's Allowance , and a Return expected by him — besides , the Answers he makes are either Generals or Complements , whereas my desire was , that the Prince should know things , and that his Answer with his Reasons might be understood , — but my Friend has delayed and scruffed things . From Scotland , Septemb. 24. 1687. I Have yours of the 30th of Aug. but have delayed so long to answer , because I had written other Letters to you whereof I yet expect the Return — my most humble Duty to my Friend at the Hague . Edinburg , Octob. 28. 1687. AS for that more important Affair , wherewith I have long troubled you , I need add no more ; my Conscience bears me Witness , I have dealt sincerely for the Freedom of the Gospel — I had certainly long e're now written to the Pensioner Fagel , were it not that I judged you were a better Interpreter of any thing I could say : I know his real Concern for the Protestant Religion ; and shall never forget his undeserved Respect to me ; but alas ! that Providences should be so ill understood . London , Novemb. 8. 1687. I Have yours of the 1st of November — the enclosed from the L. Pensionary surprize me with a Testimony of his Favour and Friendship , and also of his sincere Love to the Truth , and fair and candid Reasoning upon the present Subject of Liberty , beyond what I can express ; he hath seriously done too much for me ; but the more be hath done in complience with my insignificant Endeavours , the more I judge and esteem his noble and zealous Concern for Religion and Peace , which I am certain could only in this Matter be his just Motive : I hope you will testify to him my deep Sense of his Favour and most serious Profession of Duty with all Diligence , until I be in 〈◊〉 to make his L. a direct Return . I showed the Letter to my L●rd Melfort , who was satisfied with it . London , Novemb. 6. 1687. Which it seems is by a mistake of the Date . I Have your last , but have been so harassed and toiled , that I have not had time to write to you , much less to my L. Pensionary ; yet since my last , I acquainted the Earl of Sunderland with his Answer , as the King ordered me ; but I see all Hope from your Side is given quite over , and Men are become as cold in it here as you are positive there . London , Novemb. 19. 1687. By my last of the 8th . Instant , I gave you notice of the Receipt of my Lord Pensionary ' s Letter , and what was and is my Sence of his extraordinary Kindness and Concern in that Affair . Since that time I have had the Oppertunity to shew them to the King , and at his Command did read to him distinctly out of the English Copy all the Account given of her Highnesses mind touching the Penal Statutes and the Test ; and withall , signified the Sum of what was subjoyned , especially the Respect and Difference therein Expressed to his Majesty ' s Person and Government ; but to my own Regret , I find that this Answer hath been too long delayed , and that now the King is quite over that Matter , being no ways-satisfied with the Distinction made of the Tests from the Penal Laws ; and no less positive , that his Highness is neither to be prevailed upon , nor so much as to be further treated with in this Matter . The Conclusion . AND thus all that relates to the Occasion that drew the Pensioners Letter from him , appears in its true light . If this Discovery is uneasie to Mr. Stewart , he has none to blame for it but himself . It is very likely the first Article of his merit , for the defacing of all that was past , was the Pains he took to work on their Highnesses , by the Pensioners means : But that having failed him , the abusive Letter that he has published upon it may come in for a second Article : And now the Reproaches to which this Discovery must needs expose him , must compleat his Merit . If upon all this he is not highly rewarded , he has ill Luck , and small Encouragement will be given to others to serve the Court as he has done . But if he has great Rewards , it must be acknowledged that he has paid dear for them ; the printing and distributing 15000 Copies of his Letter , is only the publishing his Shame to 15000 persons , though it is to be doubted if so many could be found in the Nation who would give themselves the Trouble to read so ill a Paper . FINIS .