A fund for supplying and preserving our coin, or, An essay on the project of new-coining our silver Chamberlen, Hugh. 1695 Approx. 29 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2007-01 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A31622 Wing C1874 ESTC R3961 11791897 ocm 11791897 49237 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. 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WHen I had read the REPORT , &c. and considered the Author's Pains , and the Search he had made , and thereby brought to light , the state of our Coin for many Ages ; I could not but approve his Industry and Care in this so great a Concern , as our Nation hath of late labour'd under . And therefore gave my self diligently to consider , what weight might be in those that oppose his Reasons . And to examine the force of their Arguments , it may not be improper to reduce them to a few Heads , wherein I hope to Contract the Substance of their several strongest Allegations , at least so far as may be worth notice . And I shall begin with theirs , who say , 1. The Alteration of our Coin to be less in Weight than heretofore , will be of no Advantage to us . 2. Our Money will then purchase no more of Inland or Forreign Commodities than before ; because Wares will rise proportionable to the advance in Money , so that Silver by the Ounce will buy no more Goods than it did before . 3. The Exchange they say , will always follow our state of the Coin , be it Better or Worse . 4. 'T will have no influence to make Coin'd or Vncoin'd Silver more plenty among us . 5. The Ballance of Trade sometimes requires , that Bullion either Coin'd or Vncoin'd , must be sent out of the Nation ; and when it comes abroad , they 'll put no more Value on it than before . 6. All Bargainers will be Cheated , in receiving less than their Agreements , as Landlords less Rents , Merchants less Silver in payment , and the King less Taxes . 7. That Forreigner's that have Lent to the Crown , will have less by receiving Smaller Money , and thereby be discourag'd from Lending again . 8. That all these together will Ruin us . And in order to plenary Satisfaction to all Unbyassed Persons , I shall endeavour to Answer them one by one . 1. 'T is Alledged , The Alteration of our Coin to be less in Weight than heretofore , will be of no Advantage to us . I humbly propose it will ; for as we have cause to believe , former Ages saw good Reasons from time to time to lighten our Coin , from 20 s. 3 d. for the Pound Troy-weight , to 3 l. 2 s. so I hope to demonstrate our Governours now have cause , if they New-Coin the Money to lighten it yet once more , from 3 l. 2 s. the Pound Troy-weight , to about 3 l. 18 s. or 4 l. especially if it shall be consider'd , that if it be now Coin'd at the said Rate of 4 l. to a Pound Troy-weight , it is but to continue it about its present state ; whereas it must be granted , that to New-Coin it at the old weight , is to make an Alteration , and that at a time very unfit , when the Nation is in an Expensive War , and when Forreigners have great Estates here , which they want to carry Home . 2. But say they , If our Money be New-Coin'd lighter , 't will purchase no more Inland or Forreign Commodities than before , because Wares do and will rise proportionable to the Advance in Money , so that Silver by the Ounce will buy no more than it did before . I Answer , that Position is not always true , nor is it the only Reason of our present Advance on Goods , but 't is complicated with other Causes , as the Losses of great quantities of Goods by the War , especially homewards , whereby those Goods that are left Sell quick , and would have Sold quick , had the state of our Money remain'd as formerly ; for may it not be well-acknowledged what great Rates ( even as great as now ) Goods Sold at in a former War , viz. about Anno 1667 ? And yet the Money was then almost twice as heavy as now . And tho' we should make it heavy again , yet it may most reasonably be judged Forreign Goods will Sell quick and high , while Trade is liable to the Obstructions and Hazards of War : But should the making our Coin heavier , thereby make our own Commodities Cheaper , I hope there 's none but will grant , that were then England's great Disadvantage . 3. Again , They say the Exchange will always follow our state of the Coin , be it Better or Worse . But that I deny , for this Age hath furnisht us with Experience to the contrary ; and that when our Coin was weighty , the Exchange sometimes varied heretofore greatly , upon great Emergencies of State and Trade , as well as now , and yet it was then esteem'd , no Cause of altering our Money ; nor was the Exchange so much alter'd this time Twelve-month , tho' our Money was then near as Bad as now , and worse than it would be , were it New-Coin'd at a quarter or third part less in weight , than the old Standard . Besides , they argue to our Loss , who say , The Exchange will rise in proportion to our New-Coining the Money , if we make it of the old weight . And to shew they propose our Loss , let 's draw their Argument into a Demonstration . Suppose by their Rule our Pound Sterling should again be made near Four Ounces , then the Exchange will rise to 35s . Flemish per Pound Sterling . First , I say , How can they tell that ? Yet for the present let 's grant it , and then we shall see that One Ounce weight of our Silver purchaseth 8 s. 9 d. Flemish , and Four Ounces at 8 s. 9 d. Flemish per Pound Sterling is 35 s. Flemish . Which I hope is thus demonstrable to be vastly our Prejudice , for our present state of the Coin and Exchange is 30 per Cent. better ; because now our Pound Sterling while it weighs but about Two Ounces and a half , is worth about 28 s. 4 d. Flemish , whereby we have 11 s. 4 d. per Ounce weight of Silver ; so that the Change they would have us make ( by their own Rule ) is visibly 30 per Cent. Loss to England ; as you may see by Substracting the Purchase of One Ounce of Silver in Flemish Money at their Rate , which is 8 s. 9 d. from the present Course , which is 11 s. 4 d. the difference whereof is 2 s. 7 d. and that is about 30 per Cent. So that if the Subject hath occasion then to remit 1000 l. of New-Money of Four Ounces to the Pound , at 35 s. Flemish , he will lose 300 l. by it , of what he would do , to remit 1000 l. of our present Money at our present Exchange of 28 s. 4 d. And if the King were to remit Three Millions in Pound Sterling of Four Ounces at 35 s. Flemish per Pound , he would lose near a Million by it , of what he would do at the present Exchange , by the aforesaid Demonstration . Their Fourth Mistake is , 'T will have no influence to make Coin'd or Vncoin'd Silver more plenty amongst us ; and they give some Reasons for it , as they think , but they go but a little way : They say indeed , If the Silver be Coin'd a quarter or third part less , Commodities will rise proportionable , so that I shall then Buy no more Commodities with a Hundred Ounces of Silver than I did before . But did I yield them that to be true ; yet here they go from their own Arguments , which was , that it would not make either Coin'd or Uncoin'd Silver more plentiful , which I call their Mistake ; for let them consider , in that Country where a Commodity will yield most , thither 't will go , and that made Forreigners get our Crown-pieces ; and if our Coin be New made about a quarter or third part lighter , and our old Crowns made to go at 6 s. 3 d. or 6 s. 8 d. 't will make our old Crown-pieces return hither again , if any of them are abroad unmelted : It being certain , as I said , that in what Country any thing is most Valued thither 't will go . And so much Silver come to our Mint . And as the new Coining our Crown-pieces one quarter or one third part lighter , may bring back some old Ones ; so 't will certainly bring us in great quantity of Bullion to be Coin'd ; for if it be worth , as they say , but 5 s. 2 d. per Ounce abroad , yet if an Ounce Coin'd here , be worth 6 s. 3 d. or 6 s. 8 d. 't will invite all the Bullion in Europe hither to be Coin'd , or to be sold as Bullion : For it 's granted , Bullion also will hold up the Price , if the new Crown-pieces be Coin'd one quarter or one third part lighter . 5. They think , the Ballance of Trade sometimes requires that Bullion either Coin'd or Vncoin'd must be sent out of the Nation , and when it comes abroad , say they , Forreigners will put no more value on it than before . I Answer , That 's a great mistake at this time , and if ever true , 't is only when we are guilty of Egregious False Policy , in valuing our Coin lower than other Nations : Which the better to prove , let 's observe a little of what this Ballance of Trade is ; and it is , when there is Imported into England in Goods twelve hundred thousand pound in a Year , and Exported but eleven hundred thousand pound , there the Ballance of Trade is one hundred thousand pound which England is Debtor . Which , say they , must be paid in Money . I say no Necessity for that , for suppose one of those Forreigners , that sent in part of the Goods which belongs to this Ballance of Trade , he never thinks of that , but bethinks him how most to his Profit to draw home his Estate ; whether by Exchange , or by Manufactures , or Bullion Coin'd or Uncoin'd : And if he chuses Bullion , 't is because that is more valued in his own Countrey than here , and perhaps will yield him more Profit then he can get by Commodities , so that 't is our Silver and Gold being too often under-valued here makes them be taken away , and our Commodities left , and not any otherwise does our over-Ballance of Trade mostly come , for can any Merchant tell the Time when he might not have laid out his Money plentifully enough in Cloath , Serges , Lead , Tyn , Leather , West-India Goods , &c. without ever carrying away our Coin , and that upon a suppos'd Necessity ? Again , whenever we value our Gold and Silver less than Forreigners , it tends to lower our Commodities , and our Rents , and our Lands ; as when Guineas went here at 22s . and abroad at 23s . then were they often carryed out , and the Commodities left , and the Commodities thereby falling , must need fall the Land they rise out of . And the Tenant and Occupier of Land , not being able to sell his Produce , can't pay his Rent ; therefore Landlords look you to it , if you make the Money fit for Forreigners to carry away , you lower your Tenants Manufactures , and your Lands produce first , and then your Lands also . Another Erroneous part of their pretence is , that let us over-value our Coin never so much , Forreigners will not follow us therein . But the contrary is evident , and I appeal to any Man of Knowledge herein ; Whether Guineas han't of late been sold for more Gilders in Holland since May-day , than this Time twelve-Month , so that at last 't was hardly worth their while to bring them hither ? And before I go from this Proposition about the over-Ballance of Trade , I would offer one Consideration more , viz. Whenever our Money is more profitable to Export than Commodities , it makes England Debtor upon the Ballance of Trade ; and that too in a very disadvantageous Case , for we thereby exchange an unperishable Commodity , as our Coin is allowed to be , for perishable Commodities ; I mean for Eating , Drinking and Apparel , and this has been to often our Case , while we had broad Money , or Guineas left , that they could get by fetching away . The next Proposition to be answer'd is , if the Money be made less than formerly , all Bargainers will be cheated in receiving less than their Agreements , as Landlords , less Rents , Merchants less Silver , and the King less Taxes . But pray consider , did the Landlord Lett his Land to be paid in Money as big again , as that which is Current ? Or did the Merchant sell his Goods to be paid in a new Coin ? Or the Mortgagee to be paid in bigger Money then he Lent ? No such matter , therefore if the Money be new Coin'd larger , than it has been this Year or two ; 't will be as great a loss in reality upon he that pays great Money , as 't is in pretence on the other side . But say they , Forreigners that have Lent to the Crown , will have loss by receiving it back in smaller Money , and thereby be discouraged from lending again . And now methinks , I could be glad the whole Cause were to be tried on this one Issue : For , did Forreigners lend to the Crown Money of four Ounces to a Pound Sterling ? Or did they lend such as was Current ; and such as they Lent , such let them have again ; if they Lent hundred Pound Bags of 16. or 18 l. weight , let them have such again . But what Policy is it to Coin them new Money of 32 l. in a hundred Pound , to pay them who Lent but 16 l. or 18 l. in a hundred Pound ; pray consider well of it . For hereby you 'll prevent Forreigners from lending any more ; because when you have paid them in such weighty Money , away goes their Estates that are here with this new heavy Money , and so they leave none here to lend . Whereas keep but Forreigners Stocks here , which are come over in Guineas , and you may have Money enough . Lent , and that at Interest low enough : For they can't carry back their Estates as yet , and great Estates without doubt they have here , by the pouring in Guineas , and lowering the Exchange ; which brings me to their eighth Argument 8. Wherein they say , the Consequence is , That all these things will ruin us . They mean , unless the Money be made heavy by a speedy Alteration of the Coin to the old weight . In Answer to which , I offer this Position , and hope the following Lines will prove it . That if an Alteration be now made of the Coin , to about an Ounce of Silver in a Crown-piece , 't will be ruinous to the Nation , and that in a very vast degree . First , 'T is evident , the War and our Neighbours have carried away , our East and West-India Goods , and our home-made Commodities also : And if the Silver be made heavy as formerly , there 's enow will carry that away too . Nor will they then leave us the Gold ; for if we new-Coin our Silver Money heavy , that will lower the Guineas ; and that will infallibly carry them away too ; nay , perhaps to the profit of those very Men that got 25 per Cent. by bringing them in ; and may get near half as much , by carrying them away . Nor will it be less fatal to us in the Exchange , for if they of the other side are in the right , they expect our Pound Sterling ( when we shall make it weigh near four Ounces ) to procure us but 35s . Flemish , which is about 8 s. 9 d. an Ounce . Whereas at present , we have 11 s. 4 d. Flemish , for an Ounce of Silver , as is before demonstrated . So that to alter our Money at this Time , is to make the Exporters thereof a profit , which they greatly desire ; and they will greatly admire our Prudence , so to fit our Crowns to their Politick-Heads , and our Coin to their Covetous Purses . Nor is this all the fatality attends us , from their carrying back their Estates in Coin , who brought it in Guineas ; but it will also stop their laying out their Stocks , ( they have here ) in English Produce and Manufactures , which they have begun to buy , and will go on to do , if we don't inconsiderately furnish them another way to carry off their Estates . For it must be granted , that , though some of the Guineas that came , were sent for by our own People : Yet vast quantities of them , were sent hither by Forreigners ; and of such Forreigners Estates prodigious summs , may well be supposed to lye here still , and groan to get home ; and therefore they use their skill , to have the same Guineas , or other Coin adapted to their devices . Nor is it Forreigners only ; but also some of our own People , would by it make themselves an advantage ; and they are of two sorts . First , Such as are for any gain they can come at , and will venture Exporting Money when so very profitable , though it be so positively against Law ; which fairer Traders scorn to do : And to give those Secret designers , an opportunity to out-do Honester Men , is no true Policy ; if it were not attended with these general damages to the Nation . The other sort of our own People , that fall in with this Interest of Forreigners ; may be those , who have undertaken to remit Money for the Government , and they will needs get by their Trade , and 't is very good Reason they should ; yet can't they propose another way , than that , which will rob us of our Treasure . For that 's the plain Consequence of making our Money so heavy . Ever since Anno 1660. the weight has robb'd us of it , by Exporting , or Melting , or both . And is not 35 Years Experience sufficient to shew us , we must take a contrary Method , if ever we will preserve it here ? For those designing Men , whose Interest it is to Melt or Transport it , will hardly forbear , though it were ever so Penal ; because they can transact it with Privacy . Therefore , consider the Proposals in Esquire Lowns's Report : Where he doth not only propose as our Advantage , that our Coin be made lighter . But shews , that in former Times our Ancestors did often find occasion so to do , and pray what dishonour did ever attend their making it lesser ; when they kept up to the Fineness ? It may be granted , when the Money has been made Courser , they have soon found Reason to alter it . But did they ever see cause to reform , after they had lighten'd it ? And what ever Reasons they had , we seem to have much more . For I appeal to all judicious Men , whether ever Forreigners had such vast Estates here as now , and when they please to have them home , have they any more then these four Ways , viz. in Silver , in Gold , in Exchange , or in Goods ? 1. They can't carry away our Silver at the present value of it here , not Uncoin'd Silver , because 't is worth here 6 s. 5 d. and abroad about 5 s. 2 d. nor can they carry it off in our Coin as it now is , ( or if new Coin'd at one quarter or one third part advance ) because it goes for much more here , then it would there . But should our Silver be reduc'd , that one Pound Sterling should have in it near four Ounces of Silver , away they 'd carry that . Or should we thereby lower Uncoin'd Silver to 5 s. 2 d. upon a small turn of the Exchange , away goes that too . And the Consequence is the same upon Guineas ; and pray consider , that unless they will take them of us at that Rate , we have took them from them , they ought not to carry them away ; but rather leave them where they are . 3. Nor can they carry it all away by Exchange ; for if very many of them should go about that , t' would lower the Exchange to their loss ; perhaps more than they got by bringing in Guineas . But as the Case now is , 't is their Interest , as well as our own , to keep up the Exchange . Whereas , if we gratifie them in falling our Guineas , and greatening our Silver , 't will also raise the Exchange : So that then they have three ways to chuse , and may leave our Manufactures to fall . But should we so see their devices ( and the ruine impends us thereby ) as to avoid fitting their Interest , in either of the said three ways ; then they have but one left , and that 's the Fourth . 4. Viz. To carry off our Commodities , and they are Men but of short sight , that see not how greatly that will still raise our Commodities : Although perhaps they are as much advanced already , as the Guineas are . Yet for the Forreigners to carry back their Estates in Commodities ; the English growth and Manufacture , and that of our Plantations , must yet still advance ; to the great enriching of this Industrious Nation . And were it not false Policy with a witness , to lose this opportunity of selling our Goods 50 per Cent. above whatever they would give for them , when they could get by carrying away our Coin : Especially , when we have given them so dear for their Money . Rather let it stay and circulate three Times , through the Manufactures of England , while our Goods are at these advanced Prizes ; then in the thrice circulating , we shall not only get the advance , the Guineas has got , but also the whole Guinea . But they say , if our Commodities are so dear , they won't turn to account abroad : That I deny too , unless there was another Virginia to afford them Tobacco , or another Barbadoes to yield them Sugar , or another England to yield them broad Cloaths , Serges , Kersies , Bays , and Stockins , Lead , Tin , and Leather ; for seeing this is the Store-house , from whence they must have these useful Commodities for Trade ; when they have them abroad , they 'll go near to ask as much profit upon them , as they did before , when bought here at 40 per Cent. less . And though it be objected , That they who bought early , whether Forreigners or English , will under-sell the Dear Buyers at Markets abroad ; yet that will soon be over , and then all may run equal . Besides , if we continue our Coin , about the weight the currant Money now is , Silver will hold about 6 s. 5 d. or 6 d. and that may Incourage Forreigners to send theirs hither , and that will raise the price with them , as it has done with us ; and so it hath done already with Guineas , for they could not lately be bought , to bring hither with much Advantage ; but 't will be with large Advantage they 'll carry them out , and our New Money too , if we make it large . And though they boast they have gull'd our People , to get the Guineas taken at these high Rates , yet it 's much to be hoped , our Government will not be over-reacht by them , so as to make it their Advantage to carry it away , with as much Profit as they brought it in . But if it shall seem meet to the Wisdom of the Parliament , to New-Coin it again , please to consider , nothing is so like to keep it here , as to make 100 l. of Sterling , to weigh about so many Pound of Silver , as it now does ; and then it will equally answer all Bargains now on foot ; and the King will equally pay those that have Lent Money , according to the goodness or weight of the Money they Lent ; and thereby the Estates of Forreigners will still be continued here , and be probably Lent to the Crown , if need should require , at Four or Five per Cent. Interest . Whereas should the Coin now be made large , and thereby , as is before-demonstrated , it be all , or most of it carried away , what shall we have to Lend the Government , or Pay our Merchants and Landlords ? Will they be willing to take Hens , and Pease , and Barley , for Rent , as is common in Scotland ? For the Reducing our Coin to half the quantity which it now is , will render the Nation so bare of Money : First , By its quantity , being less . Secondly , By their carrying much of it away ; that each Trader will have little enough left to maintain the Necessary Payments of Trade , and Expences , and Taxes , and the fewer to spare to Lend to the King. But some may Object , This great uneasiness in the People , under the present Circumstances of the Badness of Money , necessitates somewhat to be done . 'T is true , there is the Disease ; but it don't need so desperate a Remedy . For if the Government should see good to make the Guineas every where passable at 30s . and they thereby become Currant at the Exchequer , the Custom-House , Excise-Office , and in payment for other Taxes ; then will the People also take them freely , and we should have Money Circulate amain ; then would Taxes come in easily , Rents be well paid , and great quantities of Money ready to purchase Lands of any Seller , and quantities ready for the Crown ; and all the uses of Money well-supplied , without the Charge of Altering the Money at all , at this Juncture , when it can so ill be done ; or when such Difficulties attend the finding any other Fund at this time to answer the Loss : And this is the Fund I propose , both to supply our want of Acceptable Cash to pay every Body , and to carry on the Affairs of the Nation , by making the Guineas passable at 30 s. And for the Counterfeit Money , a little time will furnish most People with Judgment enough to avoid that ; and then where 's our need of an Alteration , till the Nation is again in Peace and Prosperity ; and by that time you may so find the sweet of keeping the Money here , as willingly to Coin it in such Bulk as may continue it with us hereafter . It will also be made yet more easie , if the next Fifty or a Hundred Thousand Pounds of Gold that shall be Coin'd , be done in half Guineas , to go at 15s . Thirds of Guineas , to go at 10s . Sixths of Guineas , to go at 5s . then surely we shall not need to go upon this Chargeable and Ruinous Affair now at this time , when the Nation hath so many ways for all the Money they can spare , both at Home for our Navy , and Abroad for our Army . Ay , say they , for our Army , how will you pay and supply them ? And truly if this were rightly answer'd , I hope their Cause were at an end . Therefore let 's divide their Objection into two parts , and answer them asunder ; and First for the Pay. For that , let us give the King so much the more ; we were better do that , than Ruin us all ; as would be the going away of all our Coin. And if we give the King , in the Quota Allotted to pay the Army one fourth part more , that will be a much less Inconvenience ; and keeping the rest here , our Commodities will Sell well and quick , and the Nation grow Rich under all ; especially , if Providence Bless the Care of our Superiors , in protecting our Trade with Success . As for the other part of their Objection , The Supply of the Army with Necessaries ; let them eat our own Bread , and wear our Apparel : I mean , let them be Cloath'd from England as before ; let their Beef be sent them from England or Ireland , and their Bread ready Bak'd , and Cheese , and Pease , and Fish , as are provided for the Navy , and most part will Circulate among our selves . And thus having Answer'd all their Valuable Objections I have met withal ; I shall close this Discourse with a Brief Summary of the whole Matter . 'T is our Interest to be Keepers of our own Coin our selves . If Forreigners have Estates here , let them take them home in English Commodities at these Advanced Prizes they now bear , and that 's the way to equal the Ballance of Trade ; for the more Commodities goes out , the less the Nation is Debtor on the Ballance of Trade . Or if they won't do so , let them leave them here to Lend the Government . But don't let us make it their Interest , to Rob us of our Treasure , instead of Buying our Commodities . May the Almighty Bless the Debates of our Grandees , and give a Happy Issue to their Consultations , is the Hearty Desire of England's Well-wisher . FINIS . A FUND For Supplying and Increasing Our COIN .