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Place of publication suggested by NUC pre-1956 imprints. Reproduction of original in the Harvard University Library. eng Coinage -- England. Adulterated coins. Devaluation of currency -- England. A57517 R474455 (Wing R1778A). civilwar no Sir Thomas Rowe his speech at the councell-table touching brasse-money, or against brasse-money; with many notable observations thereupon, I Roe, Thomas, Sir 1641 3540 5 0 0 0 0 0 14 C The rate of 14 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2003-08 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2003-09 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-09 Olivia Bottum Sampled and proofread 2004-09 Olivia Bottum Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion Sir Thomas Rowe HIS SPEECH At the Councell-Table touching Brasse-Money , or against Brasse-Money ; with many notable observations thereupon , Iuly , 1640 Printed Anno 1641. Sir Thomas Rowe his Speech at the Councell Table , touching Brasse-Mony , or against Brasse-Money , with many notable observations thereupon , Iuly , 1640. MY Lords , since it hath pleased this Honorable table , to command amongst others my poore opinion concerning this waighty proposition of money , I must humbly crave pardon , if with that freedome that becometh my duty to my good and gracious Master , and my obedience to your great commands , I deliver it so . I cannot my Lords , but assuredly conceive this intended project of infeobling the Coyn , will trench very far both into the honor of Justice , and profit of my Royall Master . All estates do stand Magis fama quam vi as Tacitus saith of Rome ; And wealth in every Kingdome is one of the essentiall marks of their greatnesse , and is best expressed in the measures and purity of their moneys . Hence it was that so long as the Romane Empire , a pattern of the best Government held up their glory ▪ or greatnesse , they ever maintained with little or no change the standard of their Coyn , but after the loose time of Commodus had led in need by excesse , and so by that shift of changing the standard , the Majesty of that Empire fell by degrees . And as Vopiscus saith , the steps by which that State descended , were visible most by the generall alteration of their Coynes ; and there is no surer simptomes of consumption in State , then the corruption of the Money . What Renowne is left to the Posterity of Edw. 1. in amending the standard both in puritie and weight , from that of elder and barbarous times ; it must needs stick as a blemish upon Princes that do the contrary . Thus we see it was with Hen. 6. who after he had begun with a baiting the measures , he afterwards fell to abasing the matter ; and granted Commission to Missend , and others to practise Alcamie to serve his Mint . The extremity the State in generall felt by this agrievance , besides the dishonor it layd upon the person of the King , was not the least disadvantage his disloyall kinsman tooke , to ingrace himselfe into the peoples favours , to his Soveraigns Reign . When Hen. the 8th . had gained as much of power and glory abroad , of love and obedience at home as ever any , he suffered a losse by this Rock . When his Daughter Queene Elizabeth came to the Crowne , she was happier in Councell to amend that error of her Father , for in a memoriall of the Lord Treasurer Burleighs his hand , I finde that he and Sir Thomas Smith , a grave and learned man , advised the Queen that it was the Crown , and the true wealth of her selfe and people , to reduce the standard to the ancient party , and purity of her great Grandfather Edward the 4th . and that it was not the short end of wits , nor starting holes of devises , that can sustain the expence of a Monarchy , but sound and solid courses , for so are the words ; She followed their a devise , and began to reduce the moneys to their elder goodnesse , stiling this worke in her first Proclamation Anno 30. a famous Act. The next year following , Anno 30. having perfected , as it after stood , She telleth her people by another Edict ; That She had conquered now that monster that had so long devoured them , meaning the variation of the standard . And so long as that sad adviser lived , She never ( though often by Projectors importuned ) could be drawne to any shift or change in her Moneys . To avoyd the trouble of permutation , Coyners devised as a rule and measure of Marchandize and Manufactaries , which if mutable , no man can tell either what he hath , or what he oweth , no contract can be certain , and so all commerce both publike and private destroyed , and men again enforced to permutation with things not subject to will and fraud . The Regulating of Coyn hath been left to the care of Princes , who have ever beene presumed to be the Fathers of the Common-wealth , upon their honors they are debtors and warrants to the subjects in that behalfe . They cannot saith Bodin , alter the price of moneys to the preiudice of the subiect , without incurring the reproach of Faux moneyars . And therefore stories terme Phillip le Belle falsificator de monet . omnino monet . integritas debet quaeri ubi vultus noster Imprimatur , said Theodoret the Goth to his Mint-master . Quidnam erit tutum si nostra peccetur effigie , Princes must not suffer their faces to warrant falshood . Although I am not of opinion with the Minor des Iustices , the ancientest books of the Common-Law ▪ That Le Roy ne poi●s money impaire ne a mander saus Lassent des touts les Counties , which was the great counsell of the Kingdome . Yet cannot I passe over the goodnesse and grace of many other our Kings , as Edw. 1. Edw 3. Hen. 4. and the the 5th . and others ; who out of the rule of their Justice . Quod ad omnes spectat , ob omnibus debet approbari , have often advised with their people in Parliament , both for the Allay , weight , number of peeces , rate of Coynage and exchange , and must with infinite goodnesse acknowledg the care and Justice now of my good Master , and your Lordships wisedomes , that would not upon the information of some few officers of the Mint , before a free and carefull debate , put in execution this Proiect . Yet I must under your Lordships favour suspect it would have taken away the tenth part of every mans due debt or rent alreadie reserved throughout the Realm , not sparing the King , which could have been little lesse then a species of that which the Roman stories call Tabula nova , from whence every sedition hath sprang , as that of Marius Grantidianus in Livio , who pretending in his Consulship , thatt the currant money was wasted by us , called it in , and altered the Standard , which grew so heavie and grievous to the people , as the Author sayth , because thereby no man knoweth certainly his wealth , that it caused a tumult . In this last part which is the disprofit that the enfeobling the Coyn , will bring both to his Maiesty , and to the Common-wealth . I must distinguish the moneyes of gold and silver as they are bullion and commodities , and as they are measures , the one of the extrinsique quality , which is at the Kings pleasure , as all other measures to name , the other the intrinsique quality , of pure mettall , which is in the Merchant to value as their measure , shall be either to be lessened or enlarged , so is the quantity of the commodity that is to be exchanged , if then the King shall cut his shilling or pound in money lesse than it was before , a lesse portion of such commodities as shall be exchanged , for it , must be received , it must then of force follow , that all things of necessity , as victualls , apparell , and the rest as well as those of pleasure , must be inhaunsed . If then all men shall receive in their shillings and pounds a lesse proportion of silver and gold than they did before this projected alteration , and pay for what they buy at a rate enhaunsed , it must cast upon all a double losse , what the King will suffer by it in the Rents of his lands ▪ is demonstrated enough by the alteration since the 18 of Ed 3. when all the Revenues of the Crown came unto the receipts pondere & numero , after 5 Groats the Ounce , which since that time by severall changes of the Standard is come to 5s . whereby the King hath two third parts of his just Revenues . In his Customes , the book of rates being regulated by pounds and shillings , his Majesty must lose alike , and so in all and whatsoever moneyes , that after this he must receive the profits of his Coynage , cannot be much more permanent in the losse lasting , and so long as it reacheth to little lesse than yeerly , to accept part of hi Revenue , for in every pound tale of gold is 7 Ounces , 1d ▪ weight , and 19 grains losse , which 25l . in accompt , and in 700l . tail of silver , which is 14l . 17s . more . And his Majesty shall undergo all this losse hereafter , in all his receipts , so shall he no lesse in all his dibursments , the wages of his souldiers must be ratably advanced , as the money is decreased . This Edward the 3 , as appeareth by the accounts of the Wardrobe and Exchequer , as all the Kings after him were inforced to do , as often as the lessened Standard of the moneyes of what shall be bought for his Majesties service , must in like manner be inhaunsed on him . As his Majesty hath the greatest profits of receipts and issues , so must he of necessity taste of the most losse by this device . It will destroy or discourage a great proportion of the trade in England , Impair his Maiesties Customes for that part , being not the least that passeth upon trust and credit will be over-thrown , for all men being doubtfull of diminution hereby of there personall estates will call in their moneys , already out , and no man will part with that which is lying by himuppon apparant losse , as this must bring ; what dammage may befall the State by such a sudden stand of Trade I cannot guesse . The moneys both of gold and silver formerly Coyned and abroad , richer then those intended , will be made of the most nereby Bulloin and so transported ; which I conceive will be none of the least inducements that hath drawn so many Goldsmithes to side this Proiect , that they may be thereby Factors for the Strangers , who by the Law of Mintage bring but two shillings silver to the pound waight , and 4 shillings for gold ; whereas with us the one is and the other 5 shillings , many make that profit beyond the Sea , they cannot here , and so his Maiesties Mint unset of worke . And as his Maiesties losse appeareth in the alteration of many a 14th in the silver , and a 25th part in all the gold they after shall receive ; so shall the Nobilitie , Gentry , and all other landed men in all their former setled Rents , Annuities , Pensions , and sums of money , the like will fall upon the labourers and workemen in their statute wages . And as their receipts are lessened hereby , so are their issues increased either by improving all prices , or dis-furnishing the Marker , which must necessarily follow ; for in the 5th of Edw. 6th . 3o Mary , 4to Eliz. as appeareth by their Proclamations . That a Rumour only of alteration caused such effects , punishing the author of such reports , with Imprisonment , and Pillory . It cannot be doubted , but the proiecting of such a change , must be of far greater consequence and danger to the State , and would be wished that the Actors , and authors of such disturbances in the Common-wealth at all times hereafter , might undergo a punishment proportionable . It cannot be held , I presume , an advise of best indgement that layeth the losse upon our selves , and the gain upon our enemies , for who are like to be in this the greatest thrivers , is not visible that the strangers who support , or money for bullion , our own Gold-smiths , who are their Brokers , and the Hedgminters of the Netherlands , who tearmed them well , will have a fresh and full trade by this abasements . And we do not the Spanish King , our greatest enemy , a greater favour than by his , who being Lord of these commodities by his West-Indies , we shall so advance them to our impoverishment , for it is not in the power of any State to raise of the price of their own , but the value that their neighbours , set upon them , experience hath taught us that the enfoebling of Coyn is but a shift for a while , as drinke to one in a dropsie , to make him swell the more , but the state was never thorowly cured , as we saw in Henry the Eighths time , and the late Queens , untill the Coyn was made rich again . I cannot but then conclude my honorable Lords , that if the proportion of Gold and Silver to each other be wrought to that purity , by the advice of the Artists that neither may be too rich for the other , that the Mintage may be reduced to some proportion of neighbour parts , and that the issue of native commodities may be brought to over-ballance the entrance of the forraigne , we need not seek any shift , but shall again see our trade to flourish , the Mint as , the pulse of the Common-wealth , again to beat , and our Materialls by Industry , to be Mynes of Gold and Silver , which we all wish and work for , supported unto us , and the honor of Justice , and Profit of his Maiesty . Certain general Rules collected concerning Money and Bullion , out of the late Consultation at Court . GOld and silver hath a two fold estimation in the extrinsique , as they are moneys , and Princes measures given to his people , and this is a Prerogative of Kings in the Intrinsique , they are commodities valewing each other according to theplenty or scarcity ; and so all other commodities by them , and that is the sole power of Trade . The measure in a Kingdome ought to be constant , It is the Justice and honor of the King ; for if they be altered , all men at that time are deceived in the precedent contracts , either for lands or moneys , and the King most of all ; for no man knoweth either what he hath , or what he oweth . This made the Lord Treasurer Burleigh in Anno 1573. when some Projectors had set on foot a matter of that nature , to tell them that they were worthy to suffer death , for attempting to put so great a dishonor upon the Queen , and detriment and discontent on the people ; for to alter this publike measure is to leave all the Markets of the Kingdome unfurnished : and what will be the mischiefe the Proclamation of 5. and 6. 30. Mary , and 4th . of Eliz. will manifest , when but a rumor produced that effect so farre , that besides the faith of the Princes to the contrary delivered in their Edicts , they were inforced to cause the Magistrates in every Shire respectively , to constrain the people to furnish the Market , to prevent a mutiny . To thinke then this measure at this time short , is to raise all prices , or to turn the measure or money now current into disuse and Bullion ; for who will depart with any , when it is by seven more in the hundred in the masse , then the now moneys , and yet of no more value in the Market . Hence the necessitie of it will follow , that there will not of a long time be Minted of the new to drive the exchange of the Kingdome , and so all trade at one instance at a stand ; and in meane time the Markets unfurnished , and thus far as money is a measure . Now as it is a commoditie , it is respected and valued , by the intrinsique qualitie , and first the one mettall to the other . All commodities are priced by plenty or scarcity , by dearenesse or cheapnesse , the one to the other . If then we desire our silver to buy gold as it hath lately been , we must let it it be the cheaper and lesse in proportion valued , and so contrary for one equivalent proportion in both , will bring in neither ; we see the profit there of the unusuall quantitie of gold brought lately to the Mint by reason of the price , we rate it at above all other Countries , and gold may be bought too dear ; to furnish then this way the Mint with both , is impossible . And at this time it was apparantly proved both by the best Artists , and Marchants most acquainted with the Exchange , in both the examples of the Mint-masters , in the Rix-dolor , and Royall of Eight , that silver here is of equall valew , and gold above with forreine parts in the intrinsique , but that the fallacie presented to the Lords by the Mint-masters , is only in the nomination of extrinsique qualitie . But if we desire both , it is not the raysing the valew that doth it , but the balancing the Trade , for we buy more then we sell of all other commodities , be the money never so high priced , we must part with it to make the disproportion even , if we sell more then the contrary will follow . And this is plain in Spanish necessities , for should that King advance to a double his Royall of Eight , yet needing it by reason of the barrennesse of his Country , more of forreign wares , then can countervaile by exchange with his wares , he must then part with his money , and gain the more by enhaunsing his coyn , but he payeth a higher price for the commodities he buyeth , if this work of raysing be his own . But if we shall make improvement of gold and silver being the Staple-commodities of this Kingdome , we then advancing the the price of his abase to him our own commodities . To shape this kingdome to the fashion of the Netherlands , were to frame a Royall Monarchie by a society of Marchants , their Country is a continuall Faire , and so price of moneys must rise and fall to fit their occasions ; we see this by raising the Exchange of Franckford , and other places , of their usuall time of the Marts . This frequent and daily change in the Low-Countries of their moneys is no such injustice to any there , as it would be here , for there they being all Merchants , or mechanicks , they can rate accordingly their labour and their Ware , whether it be Coyne , or other merchandize , to the present condition of their own money in Exchange . And our English Merchants to whose profession it properly belongeth , do so according to their just intrinsique valew of their forreign Coyn in all barter of commodities or Exchange , except usance which we that are rated and tyed by the extrinsiques measure of moneys in all our constant reckonigs , and annuall bargains at home cannot do . And for us then to raise our Coyn at this time , to equall their proportions were but to render our selves to a perpetuall incertainty , for they will raise upon us daily them again , which we of course shall follow , else receive no profit by this present change ; and so destroy the Policie , Justice , honor , and tranquilitie of our State for ever . FINIS .