A treatise wherein is demonstrated, I. That the East-India trade is the most national of all foreign trades, II. That the clamors, aspersions, and objections made against the present East-India company, are sinister, selfish, or groundless, III. That since the discovery of the East-Indies, the dominion of the sea depends much upon the wane or increase of that trade, and consequently the security of the liberty, property, and protestant religion of this kingdom, IV. That the trade of the East-Indies cannot be carried on to national advantage, in any other way than by a general joynt stock, V. That the East-India trade is more profitable and necessary to the kingdom of England, than to any other kingdom or nation in Europe by Philopatris. Child, Josiah, Sir, 1630-1699. 1681 Approx. 76 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 24 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2004-05 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). 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That since the discovery of the East-Indies, the dominion of the sea depends much upon the wane or increase of that trade, and consequently the security of the liberty, property, and protestant religion of this kingdom, IV. That the trade of the East-Indies cannot be carried on to national advantage, in any other way than by a general joynt stock, V. That the East-India trade is more profitable and necessary to the kingdom of England, than to any other kingdom or nation in Europe by Philopatris. Child, Josiah, Sir, 1630-1699. [2], 43 p. Printed by T.F. for Robert Boulter, London : 1681. Reproduction of original in Huntington Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. 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That since the discovery of the East-Indies , the Dominion of the Sea depends much upon the Wane or Increase of that Trade , and consequently the Security of the Liberty , Property , and Protestant Religion of this Kingdom . IV. That the Trade of the East-Indies cannot be carried on to National advantage , in any other way than by a General Joynt-Stock . V. That the East-India Trade is more profitable and necessary to the Kingdom of England , than to any other Kingdom or Nation in Europe . By 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . LONDON , Printed by T. I. for Robert Boulton , at the Turks Head in Cor●●● , 1681. A TREATISE Concerning the East-India Trade . BEfore I enter upon the particular proof of the Propositions in the Frontispiece , I shall desire the Readers leave to mention some few general Opinions of my own concerning Trade , which I have long since entertained ; and the older I grow in Experience , the more I am confirmed in them . 1. That Trading Merchants while they are in the busie and eager prosecution of their particular Trades , although they be very wise and good Men , are not always the best Judges of Trade , as it relates to the Profit or Power of a Kingdom . The reason may be , because their Eyes are so continually fixt , and their Minds intent upon what makes for their pecuiiar Gain or Loss , that they have not leasure to expatiate or turn their thoughts to what is most Advantageous to the Kingdom in general . This I am told was the Opinion anciently of M. T. Cicero , and also Boden , that learned French Author , and lately of the Lord Chief Justice St. John , who was a principal Engineer in the first Act of Navigation . But whether it was their Opinion or not , I am sure it 's true by manifold Experience ; of which I could give pregnant Instances in the Age we live in , and former Councils of Trade since his Majesties happy Restauration , but that I design brevity , and to avoid all Personal reflections . The like may be said of all Shopkeepers , Artificers , Clothiers , and other Manufacturers , until they leave off their Trades , and being Rich , by the purchase of Lands , become of the same common Interest with most of their Countrey-men . 2. And upon the same reason I am of Opinion , and have found by Experience , that a mixt Assembly of Noblemen , Gentlemen , and Merchants , are the best Constitution that can be established for the making Rules , Orders , and By-Laws , for the carrying on any Trade for the publick Utility of the Kingdom . 3. That all Domestick or Foreign Trade , to any Place or Countrey , that doth not in the Result and Consequences of it , increase the value of our English Lands ( the good plight whereof is the main Basis of our Wealth , Freedom , and Safety ) ought not only to be discouraged , but totally rejected . 4. That all Monopolies , of what Nature or Kind soever , are Destructive to Trade , and consequently Obstructive to the increase of the value of our Lands ; and that therefore , if there be any thing in the East-India Company 's Charter , or any Charter of Incorporated Merchants ; that hinders any of his Majesties Subjects of England , Scotland , or Ireland , from coming into that Trade , upon as good Terms as others of his Majesties Subjects did , or yet may , it would tend to the general good of the Kingdom , that such Barrs or Hinderances were removed . 5. I am clearly of opinion ( be it said without offence ) that if all Strangers inhabiting in any of his Majesties Kingdoms ( so they be not suffered to be of Government ) had as free liberty to enter into any of our Incorporated Foreign Trades , as any of his Majesties Native Subjects , as is practiced in the United Netherlands , it would greatly encrease the Trade of England , and improve the value of Land. 6. That those narrow Clauses in the Turkey Companies and other Charters , which limit the Traders to be Freemen of London , and not to be Shop-keepers , or other than such as they call Legitimate Merchants ; as also the practice of admitting no Man to be free of the Turkey Company under 25 l. if he be under 25 years of Age , or 50 l. if above , are to the prejudice of the Nation in general , tho they may be for the advantage of the particular Traders , for which I suppose they were calculated . 7. I am of Opinion , the Dutch , Nationally speaking , are the wisest People now extant , for the contriving and carrying on their Trades for the publick advantage of their Countrey . If any shall here object , that if it be so , I am mistaken in my former Notion , That Merchants are not always the best Judges of Trade ; for the Dutch have most Merchants in their Councils . The Honourable Sir William Temple hath already answered for me , that their Councils are made up of very few or no trading Merchants , but of Civilians , or Sons of Merchants , that have long since lest off their active Trades , and have only now Stocks in their East and West India Companies , or in their Banks and Cantores , or other publick Fonds . 8. That tho the Dominion of the Sea may be obtained by Arms , and fortunate Battels at Sea , it can never be retained , preserved , and maintained , but by the Excess and Predominancy of Forreign Trade . 9. That Domestick and Foreign Trade do ( as we vulgarly say of Twins , but more truly of Trade ) wax and wain together ; and if it were not an impropriety of Speech , Land might be coupled with them . 10. I am of Opinion , that Silver and Gold , coined or uncoined , tho they are used for a Measure of all other things , are no less a Commodity than Wine , Oyl , Tobacco , Cloth , or Stuffs ; and may in many Cases be exported as much to National Advantage as any other Commodity . 11. That no Nation ever was or will be considerable in Trade , that prohibits the Exportation of Bullion . 12. That though it may be best to be left free and indifferent , it is more for the publick advantage to export Gold or Silver coined than uncoined : By the former we gain the Manufacture , and something of Honour and Magnificence it is , to have his Majesties Royal Stamp pass current in all parts of the World. 13. I am confident , whatever Nation hath the lowest Interest , will certainly have their Lands in highest esteem and price ; and that no Nation shall ever over-match the Dutch in Trade , till they mate them in the rate of Interest of Money . 14. That the Dutch gain much more by Bullion and Foreign Commodities exported from their Provinces , of which the chief are Wines , East-India Goods , English Herrings , Greenland Oyl and Fins , than by all their own native Productions and Manufactures . 15. That it is as probable an attempt to wash a Blackamore White , as to hope that ever we can cope with the Dutch in White Herrring Fishing , Salt-droaging from St. Uvals to the East-Land , or the Russia or Greenland Trade , till the Interest of our Money be as low as theirs . 16. I always bear that deference to the consent of Nations and Numbers , that when-ever I see wise and great Nations , having different Interests , and various Forms of Government , yet conspire , as it were , in the same means , to accomplish the same ends of Profit . , Power and Honour , I conclude , they are nearer the right way to those ends , than the wisest and best private Men living , that hold contrary Opinions , swayed by personal Profit or Loss , Pique or Prejudice . 17. I am of Opinion , with submission to better Judgments , that there is just as much need of Companies of Merchants in England as in Holland , and no more . Where Companies are necessary the Dutch have them ; and in such manner as is most necessary to the Nature and Commerce of the Countreys , for which they are incorporated . And I never heard of any Companies of Merchants there , but those of the East and West Indies , and both in Joynt Stocks ; protected and defended by the Laws of the Provinces , which are of the same force as Acts of Parliaments with us . 18. That there is a necessity of a Joynt Stock in all Foreign Trade , where the Trade must be maintained by Force and Forts on the Land ; and where his Majesty cannot conveniently maintain an Amity and Correspondence by Embassadors ; and not elsewhere . I shall now return to what was proposed to be proved in the Title page , viz. I. That the East-India Trade is the most National of all Foreign Trades . Which I prove thus : Viz. 1. WHat the Dutch , French , Danes , Portugals , and which , not long since , the Swedes , and now the D. of Brandenburgh , have with so great Charge and Expence attempted , and hedged about with Laws and Encouragements , must certainly be a Matter of the greatest National Consequence . 2. This Trade employs more great Warlike English Ships , that may carry from 50 to 70 Guns a-piece , than all the Trades of the World from England besides . 3. This Trade alone furnisheth us with Saltpetre , a Commodity so necessary , that in the late Kings time the Nation suffered greatly by the want of it ; as is too well known and remembred . 4. Above four fifth parts of the Commodities Imported by this Trade , are again Exported into Foreign parts ; by which the Navigation and Trade of this Kingdom is vastly encreased into Turkey , Italy , Spain , France , Holland , and other parts of Christendom ; by the Returns of which , more than treble the Bullion is Imported , that was first Exported to India ; and the Wealth of this Kingdom is as greatly encreased , as by the direct Trade to and from the East-Indies . 5. Most of the East-India Commodities are of so small bulk , that if the Trade of the East-Indies were not in English hands , the Commodities , notwithstanding any Laws to the contrary , would come in from Holland ( as the French Silks now do ) with this difference only ; then we should pay as much for Pepper , which we now sell for 8 d. the pound , as we do for Nutmegs , Cloves , Mace , Cinnamon which is from 6 s. to 15 s. per pound ; tho some of them are cheaper at the places of their Growth than Pepper is at Bantam ; but enhaunsed to that price by the Dutch , having the sole Trade for them . By which I conclude this saves the Kingdom in that respect only , 500000 l. per Annum , that otherwise they would be outwitted of . 6. All Riches and Power in Nations , as well as private Families , consists in comparison . A Gentleman in the Countrey may be accounted Rich , if he be much richer than other Gentlemen , his Neighbours , tho but of moderate Estate . So England may be said to be Rich or Strong , as our Strength or Riches bears a proportion with our Neighbour Nations , French , Dutch , &c. and consequently whatever weakens or depopulates them , enricheth and strengtheneth England . And most certain it is , That no Foreign Trade doth so work upon the Manufactures of our Neighbour Nations , as this Trade of the East-Indies ; for the Staple Countreys for Silks and Fine Linnen , are Italy , France , Holland , Flanders , &c. insomuch , as it is reasonably computed , those Countreys , by the Importation of East-India Silks and Callicoes ; not only into England , but from England into their own Countreys , are abated in those fine Manufactures above a Million of Pounds Sterling per Annum . 7. And which is a consideration of great weight , and may be of immense advantage to the strength , populousness and riches of this Nation in a few years . England hath already the principal Trade of Woollen Manufactures , and now a quicker vent and export for them than ever it had in the memory of any man living . But throughout Christendom I have ever been of Opinion that generally speaking , there are more Men and Women imployed in Silk Manufactures than in Woollen : of which likewise England hath obtained a considerable part , considering the short time since our Silk Broad Weaving began ; which was but since Mr. Burlimach brought in Silk-Diers and Throwsters , towards the end of the late King James , or beginning of King Charles the First 's Regn. And I am credibly informed the number of Families already imployed therein in England , doth amount to above 40000. Now what should hinder , but that in a few years more , this Nation may treble that number in such Manufactures ; since the East-India Company have of late years found out a way of bringing Raw Silk of all sorts into this Kingdom , cheaper than it can be afforded in Turkey , France , Spair , Italy , or any other place where it is made . Insomuch , as with East-India Silks , we serve Holland , Flanders , and some other Markets from England . 8. This Trade pays his Majesty about 60000 l. per Annum Custom ; aad carries out of this Kingdom yearly , about 60 or 70000 l. in Lead , Tin , Cloth , Stuffs ; and other Commodities , of the Production and Manufacture of England : Which is not so considerable , with respect to the quantity , as in this , That what we send to the East-Indies of our own Manufactures , would not be sent at all , if the English Nation were deprived of this Trade ; because neither Dutch nor French would enure the East-Indians to our English Manufactures : Of which we have clear instance in the Dutch Trade to Japan ; where they industriously avoid introducing our English Cloth. Which Countrey being exceeding large , rich and populous , and lying in such a Northern Latitude , might vent as much of our English Manufactures , as Spain and Portugal , if we could gain a footing into that Trade : in the endeavour whereof the Company have already lost above Fifty thousand pounds Sterling . 9. Tho the Company have lost so much in the attempt of the Trade with Japan , they have lately got an Entrance into the Trade of Couchin-China and China : and have , for a few years past , settled Factories in three Ports thereof , viz. Tywan , Tonqueen and Amoy , to their great Charge and Expence , without reaping any Profit thereby to this time , but a certain and constant Loss , which they did and do continue notwithstanding , out of a Zeal they have to promote the Consumption of our Woollen Manufactures , in a Climate not altogether so hot as most parts of India are . Which probably may in some time turn to the publick advantage of this Kingdom , when those raging and bloody Wars are ended between the Chineses and Tartars . II. That the Clamors , Aspersions , and Objections made against the present East-India Company , are sinister , selfish , or groundless . BEfore I engage into the Discourse of Objections against the present East-India Company , I shall not stick to declare ( though it be against the Sense of most of the now Adventurers ) that in my judgment I am for a New Stock , provided we can come honestly by it , that is , without Injustice to the now Adventurers ( who will be found to have deserved worthily of their Countrey , when their Actions and Themselves shall come to be impartially considered ) and without Detriment to the Kingdom in general . Which notwithstanding is a Matter of great difficulty ; it being in Trade , as with Trees ; great care is to be taken in removing an old one , least upon the removal it die , or at least suffer a shrewd stunt . Yet if the Wisdom of our Nation in that august Assembly of Parliament , now convened , shall incline to any a teration of the present Constitution , I think this time may be as opportune as any . 1st . Because our Neighbours are not now at leasure ( the French being very low in India and the Dutch not altogether so Rampant as formerly ) to make their Advantage of our Unsettlement , during the Transition from one Stock to another . 2ly . Because the Profits of the East-India Trade were never so much cried up as now they are : So that , I hope , the Subscriptions may prove the larger to the ensuing Stock . And yet I must desire to be excused , if I think those that complain most of the Old , will not be found the forwardest Subscribers to a New Stock . 3ly . Because when we tell Gentlemen or others , they may buy Stock , and come into the Company when they please : They presently reply , They know that , but then they must pay 280 l. for 100 l. And when we say the intrinsic Value is worth so much ; which is as true as 2 and 2 makes 4 , yet it is not so soon Demonstrated to their apprehensions , notwithstanding it is no hard task to make out , that the quick Stock of the English East-India Company is at this time more than the Dutch quick Stock proportionable to their respective first Subscriptions ; and yet their Actions now are currant at 440 l. or 450 l. per Cent. In truth , I that have reason to inspect and know as much of it as any Man , had rather buy in this Stock , now it is , at 300 l. for 100 l. then come into any New Stock at even Money . Therefore , for general satisfaction , I could wish the Experiment of a New Subscription were tried . 4ly . If a New Stock were now establish'd , to please the Generality of the Kingdom , I should not despair but that such New Stock would have a Parliamentary Sanction ; which this only wants , to be as strong in its Foundation , as it is in all other Nations ; and which being obtained , I am persuaded would in less than an Age , render his Majesty as indubitably Sovereign of the Ocean , as he is now of Great Britain , and Ireland , and the Seas adjacent . 5ly . If an English Company were settled upon such a Foundation , there would be more Encouragement to maintain and defend some Trades by Arms , which cannot otherwise be enjoyed or secured : Which no Company built upon an uncertain Basis , can be supposed to adventure the Charge or Hazard of ; while they are not sure to enjoy their Acquests in case of Success . But to return to my Theme , and muster up all the Objections I can remember to have heard against the present Company . Object . 1. The first that comes to my Mind , is that of some of the Turkey Merchants : They say , The bringing in of so much Silk and so cheap , is a publick Nusance , and destroys their Trade , which depends wholly upon the Exportation of Woollen Manufacture , whereas the East-India Company send out little Manufacture and much Bullion , &c. Answ. 1. Lanswer , First , That it 's strange Doctrine to any sort of Men skill'd in the Political part of Trade , That the making of a Material cheap , that is to be Manufactured at Home , or Exported again into Foreign Countreys , should be to the publick Damage of any Countrey . 2. That the Turkey Merchants do Ship out much Cloth , I deny not ; but as true it is , that they have Shipt out more Yearly since the great encrease of the East-India Trade , and since themselves have made this Complaint , than they did in former Years . So that in Fact it doth not follow that the encrease of the East-India Trade , and particularly of their Importation of Silk , doth hinder or diminish the Exportation of Cloth to Turkey , but rather the contrary . 3. The question is not now , Which Company sends out most Woollen Manufactures , but which is the most profitable Trade to the Nation : Which I hope , I have proved the East-India Trade to be ; especially if the before-mentioned Consideration be taken in , that what English Commodities the East-India Company exports , would not be exported at all , if the English had no Trade thither : Because other Nations that Trade thither are under Joynt-Stocks , and Political Councils , and consequently would send none of our Manufactures . But as long as there is a Market for our English Cloth in Turkey , if the English did not send it thither , the Dutch would ; because in Holland there is no Turkey Company ; but any Man , Native or Foreigner may send what Commodities , and when they please , for Turkey , except they be staied for Convoy by some Act of State. And where all Men have liberty to Trade at Discretion , they will naturally deal in those Commodities they can get most by , be they Foreign or Domestick . 4. If Bullion be exported , and that hinder not the exportation of our English Manufactures , as in fact doth appear : And if for every 10 s. value sent out , 30 s. be brought in Bullion at the long run , which is most evident in the course of the East-India Trade ; who can doubt but the exportation of Bullion in such a Trade , is a real and great advantage to the Kingdom . 5. Besides their Cloth , the Turkey Merchants do send out a great deal of Bullion themselves ; as appears by their Entries at the Custom-House : In which they do well for themselves and their Countrey , but not well in complaining of others at the same time , for the same thing . 6. The truth of the Case at bottom is but this , The Importation of better and cheaper Raw Silk from India , may probably touch some Turkey Merchants profit at present , though it doth benefit the Kingdom , and not hinder the exportation of Cloth. What then ? Must one Trade be interrupted because it works upon another ? At that rate there would be nothing but confusion in a Nation ad infinitum . The Italian Merchants may quarrel the Portugal Merchants , because they do now in a plentiful Year Import from Portugal 4000 Pipes of Oyl per Annum ; as formerly they did not use to import above 100 Pipes annually . The Shoemakers pull down the Coblers ; those that make Red Herrings destroy those that dry Sprats , because quantities of the latter pull down the price of the former . Of the same kind was the late project of the Inn-keepers to pull down the Haokney Coaches ; and so might peradventure with much more probability of truth , the Portugal Merchants pretend that our Plantation Sugars spoil their Trade , and hinder the exportation of our Woollen Manufactures to Portugal . Of which in reality the first part only is true . Our Plantation Sugars have brought down their Lisbon Sugars from 8 l. 10 s. per Cent. to 2 l. 10 s. per Cent. within my memory : and yet the exportation of Woollen Manufactures to Portugal , is now greater than ever it was since England was a trading Nation . Just as it is and will prove in the Turkey trade ; the Similie holds , and will hold thorowout . 7. If those Turkey Merchants think the East-India Trade so good , why do they not come into it themselves . The door is open always to them and all the Kings Subjects , buying and selling there is daily ; and some Noblemen , Gentlemen , and others of quality and place , have lately bought Stock , and the East-India Company have taken nothing for their Freedom . The most they can take is 5 l. But if any East-India Merchants desire to trade for Turkey , they must answer several hard questions before they can be let in . 1. How old are you ? 2. Are you a Freeman of London ? 3. Are you no Shopkeeper , or a Legitimate Merchant ? When you have answered all these questions to their content , if you are above 25 years of age , there 's 50 l. to pay before you can trade ; which is a great deal of money to part with , before one knows whether he shall get or lose by the Bargain . Obj. 2. They say there is not above 80 Legitimate Merchants in the East-India Company . Answ. First , I answer , First , By Legitimate Merchants , I suppose they mean such as have served Apprenticeships to Merchants , in the number whereof I believe they reckon short above half . 2. That it matters not two straws to the Kingdom , whether they be legitimate in their sense , or illegitimate . In the whole they are now Five hundred fifty and six which is more by a great many than the Turkey Merchants , and more by above half then they would be , if the Trade were not managed in a Joynt Stock . Object 3. They say the Company have half the known World in their Charter , and that 's too much for any Company , &c. Answ. I answer First , This Company have no more in their Charter , than all the East-India Companies in Christendom have in their Charters : and from thence infer , that either so much as is in the Charter ought to be for publick Utility ; or elle all Christendom , except those few Gentlemen that complain , are mistaken in their Politicks . 2. Tho the Charter run in the stile of , The Merchants of London trading to the East-Indies ; yet in truth the Company is a Company of all , or so many of the Kings Subjects , as did desire to be concerned in that Trade , or yet do ; they buying the Stock of any dead Person , or other that is willing to sell. Object . 3. But it s dear buying at 280 l. per Cent. Answ 1. It 's less than the intrinsique value , if the Stock were now to be broke up , if I can calculate aright . 2. If it be too dear , I know not but any Man may be as justly compelled to sell his House or Land at the Buyers price , or else be disseized of it , as his Stock in the East-India Company . Object . 4. They say the Charter hath exorbitant and illegal Clauses in it . Answ 1. I believe no Charter in Europe hath less of that kind . 2. It 's absolutely necessary for the Publick Good , that who-ever governs a Trade so remote from England , and by such a multitude of hands as the Company are forced to imploy , should have some extraordinary Power committed to them . 3. Whatever is in the Charter , I never knew or heard of any arbitrary Act that ever the Company did ; nor any Ships or Goods that ever they seized by vertue of their Charter , tho they have had cause often . Object . 4. They say the Company hath imposed and exacted great Fines , Mulcts and Forfeitures , to an immense value . Answ. I never knew them take any Fine or Forfeiture , but what any man might do in the same case , without a Charter : What they do take in any case , being either by submission of the party , by agreement with the Master and Owners in Charterparty , or by Arbitrations ; and always in pursuance of Legal Obligations , sealed and delivered . The manner whereof is briefly this : They agree with all their Factors and Servants , and also with Masters of Ships , before they entertain them into their Service , that they shall not carry or bring home prohibited Goods ; and if they do , they shall subduct out of their Freight a certain rate for each piece or sort of prohibited Commodities : which they do accordingly subduct out of the Freight ; which in effect is from themselves : for most of the Owners of the Ships , imployed by the Company , are East-India Adventures : Which I know by experience , being a Part-Owner my self of a considerable number of Ships , employed by them . And yet , to do the Company right , I must acknowledge that the Ships imployed by them ( such deductions notwithstanding ) make better Voyages and gain more Mone●jeor their Owners , than any Ships whatsoever , that sail out of England : And the Commanders and Officers of such Ships , generally grow much richer in a short time , than any others , of any Trade or Nation whatsoever . And so indulgent are the Company to common Seamen , that they allow every Man or Boy that will , in their several Ships , to bring 5 pieces free of stated Damage , erroneously called Mulct . And if any Seaman happen to bring 10 or 15 Pieces , the Committees entrusted with that Affair , commonly stretch that Order to the allowing the Seaman 5 Pieces for himself , 5 Pieces for his Wife , and 5 Pieces for his Child , if he have any ; and if he have none , they usually ask the party whether he have not a Father , Mother , or other Relation : so that they invent ways to favour him , above the Companies Rule afore-said , of only 5 Pieces to one Person . To encourage likewise the importation of Gold from China , from whence small quantities do come every year , and very great quantities will come in a few years ; the Company do not only permit the entrance of it free of stated Damage , but give the Fraight of it gratis . The Company do likewise allow to all their Commanders , President , Agents , Factors and Servants , all kind of Trade in India , from and to any Port or Place within the Limits of their Charter , except to and from Europe : Whereas on the contrary the Dutch , tho they are a People known to be as tenacious and as obstinate defenders of their Liberty , as any People in Europe , do restrain all those that serve them in India , from all the most profitable trades from place to place , within the limits of their Charter ; and indulge no kind of private or permissive trade whatsoever , to or from Europe . Now let any indifferent Man judge , besides that whatever the Company doth in the case of stated Damages , every private man may do , that can Freight a whole Ship by himself and Partners ; whether it be not highly reasonable , that seeing the Company are at above 100000 l. yearly charge in East-India and England , that whoever participates of that Trade , should proportionably contribute to the Expences that necessarily attend the preservation of it . Object . 5. They say , besides Raw Silk , the Company imports Wrought Silk , to the prejudice of the Silk Manufacture in England . Answ. 1. This Objection lies as much and more against all other Wrought Silks , imported into England from Italy , Holland , or any other part of the World. 2. The Silks , which the Company commonly bring in , are , the main part of them Taffaties , and other plain or striped Silks and Pelongs , such as are not usually made in England , but imported from France , Italy , and Holland ; where lately , when Pelongs were scarce , many were made and imitated at Harlem , and from thence imported into England . So this importation works upon our Neighbours , preserves the ballance of our Trade ; and consequently encreaseth the Capital of our Nation . 3. And which is beyond all contradiction , as will appear by the Entries at the Custom-house , a great part of the Wrought Silks , imported by the East-India Company , are again shipt out to France , Holland , and other foreign parts ; which is a great and growing advantage to the King , and Kingdom in general : to the King , because for all Foreign Goods re-exported , his Majesty hath in consequence , the half Custom paid him by strangers , without taking a penny out of his Subjects Purses : and to the Kingdom , by preserving and meliorating the ballance of our Trade , as aforesaid : Besides the gain of Freight , Portage , Wharfage , Ware-house-room ; and all other petty Charges : amongst which may be reckoned the advantage accrewing by the expence of such Foreigners , while they stay here , as the Companies Sales do necessarily draw over hither . Object . 6. Some Clothiers complain that the East-India Company hinders the vent of Cloth. Answ. 1. This indeed is a fine practice , and deserves a thorow inspection . 1. Who they are that complained . 2. When and how they began to complain . 3. Why they complain . 1. For the time when ; it was in the year 1674 , or 1675 , as I remember : Then they had the confidence to tell the Parliament , the Company would spoil the trade of Cloth ; and bring the price of Wooll to nothing . But in fact , the Company hath now stood Five or six years since that time , and much augmented their trade for India , but Wooll is advanced in price above 50 per Cent : and such a trade there is and hath been for woollen Manufactures , as England never see in any former Age. 2. Who they were that complained ; not the poor Kentish Clothiers , that have lost their Trade ; nor the Suffolk men , that have lost their Manufacture of Blew Cloth ; but the Worcestershire , Glocestershire and Somersetshire men , that do now make and vend above twenty times the quantity of Cloth , which they did before this Company was erected . 3. How they began to complain ; which , as I have been informed , was thus : Their first Petition was drawn only against the Turkey Company , for making but one Cloth Shipping in a year : but entertaining a certain Council ( since famous for other matters ) he told them , for some reasons best known to himself , they should draw their Petition against the East-India Company likewise ; which accordingly they did : but whether they were Dutch or English that paid the best Fees , that I could never discover . 4. Why they complained . That I believe few of them understood : It could not be because their Trade sunk ; for that was manifestly and wonderfully increased . It could not be because the East-India Company , as a Company , sent out less Cloth than was sent for India in the open trade : for the Entries at Custom-house will evidence , that the Company , since their last Incorporation , have sent out in some one year , above ten times as much Cloth , as was ever sent out in the time of open trade . But why then did they complain ? Really I cannot tell ; but peradventure their Council aforesaid , or some Turkey Merchants , their Customers , might inform them , that if the Trade of India were open , there would be a new world for Cloth , that would vent as much as the old World. And if they had any Dutch or French Customers , no question they would not be backward to encourage so good a work . Object . 7. They complain that the present Stock is ingrossed into a few hands ; some single Adventurers having 16 or 17000 l. principal Stock in their own names . An. 1. If this be true , the Complaint of it would sound better out of the mouth of an old Leveller , than a Merchants , living under a free and Royal Monarchy . And yet to give the maddest of men their due , neither the late English Levellers , nor their Elder Brethren , the Tribunes of the People of Rome ; nor yet the more Ancient Lacedemonians or other Greeks ; none of them had ever that Excess of Indiseretion , as to pretend to Stint , much less to Level Personal Estates : Which if they could be made even at noon , would be unequal before night . 2. If there were any thing in this Objection , certainly the Dutch , being a Republick , would have found a Remedy for it before this time : Whereas on the contrary they think whoever adventures most in their Joynt Stocks , doth most oblige the Common-wealth , tho he be a stranger ; insomuch as one Swasso a Jew , now or late living in Amsterdam , I am Informed hath had at one time in their East-India Stock above the value of 300000 l. Sterling . 3. The more any Adventurer hath in the Stock , the more he is engaged to study and promote the good of it , by all possible means within his power . An Adventurer that hath the smallest interest , may be as just and true to the Stock , as he that hath the greatest : but I can never believe that a small interest will awaken a man so often in the night , nor keep him so long from sleeping , in the meditation of any business ; as a very great and principal concern may do . 4. Notwithstanding the largeness of any of the Adventurers Stocks , there are yet Five hundred fifty six Adventurers : which is a greater number than are to be found in any trade , that hath not a Joynt Stock . Object . 8. There are many other Ports and Places within the limits of the Companies Charter , where English Commodities would vend , which the Company do not trade unto . Answ. 1. I believe there can never be any Society that will more industriously expatiate and enlarge the Trade of this Kingdom in those parts of the World , than this hath done , by all peaceable means . I am sure 100000 l. will not excuse them for the losses they have sustained in such attempts . Many Factories they haue settled , and after a vast loss have been forced to with-draw them . Tywan , Tonqueen , Siam , and Amoy , before-mentioned , they settled within these Six or seven years past ; and lost a year or two before , 50000 l. in their attempt of a settlement at Japan . 2. As there be many Ports in England , but a Foreigner that trades to and from London , may if he will , participate of all the English Trade , without having particular Factories in the Out-ports : So in East-India , a Factory at Suratt , will share in all the Trades of the Red Sea , as well as Moca , and other parts within the Correspondency of that Presidency . The same may be said of Bantam , and many other places , as well as Suratt . 3. In very many places of India , where the Company do prudently avoid settling English Factories ; they do notwithstanding carry on a Trade and Correspondency by Bannians , Vakeels and other Natives . By which means they avoid the charge of Presents to Governours , and that ostentatious expensive way , which the Companies Factors are necessitated to appear in , in all places where they settle , according to the mode of that Countrey , and for the honour of the English Nation , and the East-India Company . Object . 9. It is said , if the Company were not in a Joynt Stock , many more Ships might be imployed in India , from one Port to another in trading Voyages . Answ. 1. The Company want neither Stock nor Skill , or will , to imploy as many Ships as they can gain by : and have almost doubled the quantity of their Stock and Tunnage within these ten years , and are like yearly to increase , to the Nations greater advantage ; if they be not interrupted . 2. The Company have now 25 Ships and Vessels trading in the East-Indies , from Port to Port , besides 11 great Ships sent out last year , hereafter particularly mentioned ; which are abundantly enough to answer all the Companies occasions of that kind ; the rather , because the Company do generously allow , not only to their President , Agents , Factors , and Merchants , but to all the English Nation living in any places within their Charter ; being the King of Englands Subjects ( of which there are many hundred of Families ) free liberty of Trade , to and from all Ports and Places in India ; and in any Commodities whatsoever without exception . By which means many scores of small Ships and Vessels are imployed in those trades ; and the trade fully supplied . By this means our Native Commodities are dispersed ; and all India Goods collected from the several less considerable Ports of India , do at length center in the principal Ports ; where the Company have Factories , Forts , Cities and Garisons : and from thence do come for Europe , in the Companies returned Ships . And if this be not directly after the Dutch mode , I am apt to think , in a few years more , if the Company be not interrupted , it will be found to be a better . And I have been told , their late Ancient , Learned , and Experienced General of Batavia , Matsuker , did before his Death , write to the Committees of the Dutch East-India Company , to this or the like purpose : Obj. 10. Since the East-India Company was Incorporated , Coinage hath abated in England . Answ. This is a meer groundless Chimaera , and will appear so , if the old Mint-Master as well as the new ones , be Examined . The proportion of Coinage ( except when we Coined the King of Spains Money for his Wars in Flanders ) having generally in my observation , born a proportion to , and followed the Price of Corn in England ; viz. when Corn was dear , we had little Coinage ; in all cheap years of Corn , the Mint hath been greatly supplied . I can remember no more Objections against the East-India Company or Trade , and therefore must proceed to the next particular , viz. III. That since the Discovery of the East-Indies , the Dominion of the Sea depends much upon the wain or increase of that Trade ; and consequently the security of the Liberty , Property , and Protestant Religion of this Kingdom . THe first part of this Proposition is meerly Historical ; and so well known to all that look beyond the present Age we live in , that the proof of it will require little pains . While the Spaniards had Portugal , and with it the Trade of India , they were able to invade England with a Navy , by them called Invincible : and so it was , as to mans understanding , if the strength of it be barely considered ; but their Skill was not good , nor their Ships of a Fabrick fit for our Seas : their Cause was naught , and the Providence of Almighty God blasted them . The Dutch , since the Portugals sunk in the East-India Trade , have grown so potent in and by the Trade of the Indies , that they have in three great and bloody Wars , contended with us for the Dominion of the Sea ; and yet secretly do not allow us the predominancy . Tho they are not now at leisure to try the fourth War for it , yet if through the folly or madness of a few unthinking or self-interested men , we should deprive our selves of the Trade of the East-Indies ( which God in mercy to England forbid ) we should certainly save them the experiment of fighting with us the fourth time . They would carry the Dominion of the Sea clear , and hold it for ever ; or until their Common-wealth should be destroyed by Land force , or intestine Broils . If any man shall say , Why then ? Are the East-India Ships of such a mighty auxiliary Force , that without their aid we cannot over-ballance the Dutch in Naval Power ? I answer , Those Ships , and the Men in them , are of very great Force ; as will hereafter appear . But he that looks no further than into the bare force of the Ships and Men now employed by the Company , doth not see the tenth part of the way into this great Business : For if we should throw off the East-India Trade , the Dutch would soon treble their strength and power in India , and quickly subdue all other European Nations in that Trade ; as they lately did the French , notwithstanding their great strength at Home ; and have since , I hear , quarrelled the Danes . By means whereof they would become sole Masters of all those rich and necessary Commodities of the East ; and make the European World pay five times more for them , than now they do ; as they have already done by Cloves , Mace , Cinnamon , and Nutmegs . Which would so vastly encrease their Riches , as to render them irresistible . All Wars at Sea , and in some sense Land-Wars , since the Artillery used , is become so chargeable , being in effect but dropping of Doits ; that Nation that can spend most and hold out longest , will carry the Victory at last , with indifferent Counsels . If it be said , Where shall they have Men ? I answer , If they have Trade and Money enough , they cannot want Men. Seamen are Inhabitants of the Universe ; and where ever they are bred , will resort to the best Pay , and most constant Employment ; especially in a Countrey where they cannot be prest or compelled into any Service against their Wills. But it must be further considered , That all other Foreign Trade in Europe , doth greatly depend upon East-India Commodities ; and if we lose the Importation of them into Europe , we shall soon abate in all our other Foreign Trade and Navigation : and the Dutch will more than proportionably increase theirs . The proportion of our Decay and their Increase , in such a Case , would indeed be exactly the same ; but that the excess of price which they would make the European World pay for East-India Commodities more than now they do , would cause a disproportionable and greater increase of their Riches . The augmentation whereof would further enable them to overballance us and all others , in Trade , as well as in Naval strength . If it shall be said , Admit all that is writ upon this Head to be probable , is not the Consequence ( viz. the security of the Liberty , Property , and Protestant Religion of this Kingdom ) far fetcht , and brought in as popular phrases , to gain and please a Party , as the Clothiers and Artificers Petition was formerly on the other side . I answer , I cannot hinder Men from thinking their own way : but God Almighty , that knows my Heart , knows that I scorn to use any such sacred terms to or for any such sinister or selfish respect , or to please any sort of Men living . All that I have or shall write in this Treatise , is what I do really and stedfastly believe , upon very long and serious Meditation , and many Years conference with almost all sorts of Men , English and Strangers : And if notwithstanding I do err in some things ( as humanum est ) it is for want of better understanding . But to return to the Matter , Can any man that looks abroad into the World , doubt of the truth of that Observation , viz. That Trade never thrives in any Countrey that is not Protestant ; though not in all that are so ; for reasons which I could offer , but that they are not necessary here . Is it not obvious to every Man's understanding , that since Queen Elizabeth's time , our Customs are encreased from 14000 l. per Annum , to above 700000 l. per Annum ? Is it not evident that the People of the United Netherlands , since their being Protestant , are increased more in Trade and Wealth in 100 Years , than the ancient and fortunate Romans did in 400 Years after the foundation of their flourishing Commonwealth ? Have not the French , since they were but Partie par paile , part Protestants and part Papists , increased more in Trade and Shipping in 100 Years , then they did in 500 Years before ? I once discoursed a Popish Lord , soon after his Majestie 's happy Restauration , who is since dead , who told me it was never well in England , nor would be , while we kept such a stir about promoting of Trade . I confess I liked his Lordship the worse for that expression , but I thought the better of his Parts . A Naval Power never affrights us ; Seamen never did nor ever will destroy the Liberty of their own Countrey : They naturally hate Slavery , because they see so much of the misery of it in other Countreys . All Tyrannies in the World are supported by Land-Armies : No absolute Princes have great Navies , or great Trades : very few of them , though they have large Territories , can match that little Town of Hamburgh in Shipping . The Kingdom of France is powerful and populous , and is arrived to the height of Military Vertue ; by which they are become formidable to us , as well as to our Neighbours . Who do we fear may destroy our Liberty , Property and Religion ? ( which three are one in substance ) but the Papists and the French ; which likewise are two names for one thing ; and so we should have found it , if God Almighty had not disappointed them . Now under God's Providence , what can best secure us from them but our Naval Strength , and what doth especially increase and support that , but our East-India Trade : which I think I have sufficiently proved to the conviction of every impartial and unbiassed Englishman : And if so , the Consequence in this Proposition is most natural and irrefragable . But if notwithstanding it shall be replied upon me , that in the former part of the Discourse on this Inference , I say , That Trade thrives in Protestant Countries ; therefore the Protestant Religion is the cause of our so great increase in Trade and Navigation , and not the Trade of the East-Indies . I answer , First , That the great increase of Trade , is not a constant and infallible consequence of the Protestant Religion ; because it proves not so in all Protestant Countreys : But whatever Nation increaseth in the East-India Trade , never fails proportionably to increase in other Foreign Trade and Navigation . Secondly , Admit that our Reformation to the Protestant Religion , were one principal cause at first of our advance in Trade and Navigation ; yet now it is manifest , that the increase of our Trade and Navigation , is a great means , under God , to secure and preserve our Protestant Religion : Foreign Trade produceth Riches , Riches Power , Power preserves our Trade and Religion ; they mutually work one upon and for the preservation of each other : As was well said by the late learned Lord Bacon , though in a different Case , in his History of Henry the 7th , That that Kings Fortune work'd upon his Nature , and his Nature upon his Fortune . IV. That the Trade of the East-Indies cannot be carried on to National Advantage by a Regulated Company , or in any other way than by a Joynt Stock . BEfore I ingage in this Argument , it will be necessary to explain , What 's the Constitution of a Regulated Trade , such as the Turkey Company , and other like Companies of Merchants of London are . 2ly . What a Company United in a Joynt-Stock is . To begin with the first , A Regulated Company is hard to define , and harder to resemble . It s the Confinement of a Trade to a certain number of the People , exclusive to above 99 parts of 100 ; with power in the major part to hinder the lesser , from shipping out any Goods , but when the greater number think fit ; and to levy a Tax upon the Trade at the discretion of the greater number of Votes . In brief , it is a Heteroclite , unto which ( out of England ) there is nothing now in the World like , in any other Kingdom or Commonwealth whatsoever , that ever I could read or hear of : All those Trades that are regulated and confined to certain Persons in England , being open and free to all People , in all other Kingdoms and States . Their Courts are perfect Democracies ; where one that trades but for 100 l. per Annum , hath as good a Vote as another that trades for 20000 l. per Annum . In those Courts they appoint the time of Shipping , choose their Embassador and two Consuls ; settle a Tax , which they call Leviations , upon the Trade . And although I have a profound veneration for all things then settled in Church and State , and for those wise and worthy Councellors that assisted Queen Elizabeth in those infant times of our Reformation and Trade ; and am apt to think , when those Constitutions were made , they were useful and proper to that time : Yet I must acknowledge that in my opinion , if all those Trades that are Regulated , that is , Confined to certain Persons only ▪ were free and open to all the King's Subjects , as they are in Holland and all other places , it would be infinitely more for the general good of the Kingdom . Neither do I see any reason why the Trades of Turkey , Hamburgh , East-land , Russia , and Greenland , which in England are Limited or Regulated , as they call it , should need such Limitation , or Regulation , more in England than they do in other parts of the World ; or more than other Trades to Italy , France , Spain , or any other part of the World. And if something might be alledged for a Regulation , what can be said why it is not for the publick Utility , that all the King's Subjects might Trade to any Countrey if they please ; whether they be Noblemen , Gentlemen , Men of the Gown , Shop-keepers , or whatever they be : the more the better for the Common Good. To enforce which , much more might be said ; but that 's not my Business now . A Company in Joynt-Stock are a Corporation by Charter ( and if it were by Act of Parliament , it would be much better for the Kingdom in general , as hath been said ) into which Stock all the King's Subjects , of what condition soever , have at the foundation of it , liberty to Adventure what sum of Money they please . The Stock and Trade is managed by a Select Council , or Committee , consisting of a Governor , Deputy , and 24 Committees , chosen annually by the Generality ; in which every Adventurer doth not Vote a like , but proportionably to his Stock , viz. Every 250 l. Original Stock , hath one Vote ; 500 l. paid in , hath two Votes , &c. After the first Stock is settled , no Man can come in but by Purchase ; which every Englishman hath an equal liberty to do ; and for which he pays nothing if he be a Freeman : if unfree , never above 5 l. In England the Company hath , by reason of our late Civil Wars and Confusions , been interrupted several times , and there have been new Subscriptions : But in Holland , since the first settlement thereof , in Anno 1602 , there has been no interruption or breaking up of the Stock , or new Subscription ; and such continuance is certainly best for the Publick . Having described the nature of these two sorts of Companies of Merchants , I shall now descend to the proof of the Proposition , viz. That a United Stock is absolutely necessary to the carrying on the East-India Trade to National Advantage . Arg. 1. My first Argument I shall draw from the Practice and Experience of all other Nations . Certainly all the World are not weak in their Intellects whatever those Gentlemen think that complain of the East-India Company . If any shall tell me , this Argument will not hold universally ; for the Portugals have a Trade for East-India , and yet have no Joynt-Stock . I answer , under those Gentlemens favour , I know there is a Joynt-Stock for this Trade in Portugal ; or else there could have been no Trade worth speaking of . But true it is , that Joynt-Stock in Portugal , is the King's Exchequer , who reserves Pepper , Diamonds , Silk , Callicoes , and all other considerable India Commodities to himself ; and leaves only some few Toys and trivial Commodities to his Subjects : and yet for want of a more perfect National Constitution , we have seen how the Portugal Trade in India , notwithstanding the great Roots it had drawn in a long uninterrupted course of time , dwindled to nothing , when it came to be confronted and out-done , by the more National and better constituted Joynt Stocks of England and Holland . The French Nation peradventure , were never governed by wiser Counsels for their own good , than under the present King. They were some years past , zealously set upon the East-India Trade ; and I am assured , spared for neither pains nor cost , to arrive at the best method ; but gave immense rewards to any that could give them any rational light or information , to lay such a foundation of Trade , as might be proper for those Eastern Countreys . See what , how , and why they did resolve at last by the printed Translation of the French Treatise , relating to that settlement ; which will save me the labour of inlarging upon this Argument . Arg. 2. The English East-India Company , have now ( as every body knows ) their money at 3 per Cent. interest . Every English Man that trades in an open or regulated Trade , must value his own money at 6 per Cent. at least ( or pay so much if he takes up money ) because he can gain so much by it sleeping or playing : Those that work , or run hazards , hope to do better . Now if the Company , with their united Stock and Counsels , and money at 3 per Cent ; have much a do to hold up against the subtil Dutch ; what shall poor private Merchants , of divided , various , and contrary interests , do with their little separate Stocks at 6 per Cent. per Anuum . Arg. 3. Suppose the Trade of India might be carried on in an open or regulated way , if other Nations did so ( which is never to be granted ) yet in regard that all other European Nations , do at this time trade there in Joynt Stocks ; is it not as great madness to enter raw and private Persons , against such compacted and united Constitutious of experienced Councellors , as to fight a disordered undisciplined multitude , against a well governed Veteran Army , supported with an inexhaustible Treasure ; or , as it is to imagine , as some men fondly do , that we can maintain and defend our Protestant Religion against the Church of Rome , without a National Church in England . Arg. 4. If the Company should be destroyed , and the Trade left open , the Companies Priviledges and Immunities in East-India would be lost ; which have cost this Company , as well as their Predecessors , vast sums of money to maintain and retrieve , after they were almost ruined in the late three years open Trade . If I am asked what those Priviledges and Immunities are ? They are so many and so great , as is scarce credible to any not acquainted with the Trade of India . For publick satisfaction , I shall mention some few of them ; all would burden me to write , as well as the Reader . We have the liberty of Coining Money for our selves , and all other Nations ; which passeth currant in all the King of Gulconda's Countreys . We are Custom-free in almost all places , and in some , where the Dutch and all other Nations pay a constant Custom : particularly in all places of the Bay of Bengall , and up the great River of Ganges . At Fort St. George and Bombay , we have a right , and do impose a Custom upon the Natives , and all other Nations . In the Empire of Persia we are Custom-free , and have yearly from the Emperor 1000 Tomans , which is above 3000 l. per Annum , in lieu of the half Custom of his own People , and all other Nations that trade thither . Of right it should be the full half Customs of that Port , which is more in value ; and we should have an Officer in his Custom-house to receive our half part ; but we rather content our selves with the 1000 Tomans aforesaid , than fight with him again for a right , which we are uncertain how long we may enjoy , by reason of groundless Clamours against the Company at home . At Bantam we are at the set rate of 4000 Dollars per Annum , for all our Customs , tho we increase our Trade never so much . In most places in India , we are in effect our own Law-makers , and can arrest and imprison any Natives that deal with us , or owe us money ; and can inflict corporal punishments upon them ( without controul of any of the Native or Moor Governours ) till they pay or do us right , if our People there see cause for it . All our Black Servants there , which are very numerous , and all others imployed by us , or trading with us , are free and exempted from the jurisdiction of the Native and other Governours . We are in all places free in our Persons and Goods , and all imployed or priviledged by us , from all Inland Customs and Duties , in the Towns and Provinces we pass or bring our Goods thorow : which are very great in those Countreys , and paid by the Natives . Arg. 5. My fifth Argument is drawn from the great Losses , Damages , and Depredations , that this Nation sustained in that short time of three years open Trade , which are sufficiently known , besides the loss of Priviledges , increase of Presents to Governours , lowering our English Commodities , and advancing the Indian Commodities to such an odious excess , that at length the very private Traders themselves , were the forwardest Petitioners for a return to a Joynt Stock ; of the truth of which , there be many yet alive that can attest . Arg. 6. This I draw from the nature of the Eastern Governments . There are above 100 Kings and Raja's , which are Gentu Princes , but governing with absolute Power in their own Dominions ; and as many Ports and Places of Trade : whereas in Turkey there are but two or three principal places of Trade and one Prince ; with whom his Majesty by his Ambassador may conveniently have his Subjects there vindicated and righted , if there were no Company ; as the French King , the Venetians , and the Dutch do . Whereas in India there would be need of Forty Embassadors ; and all must have Instructions , and carry large Presents . The Companies Agents , &c. in India , do many times find cause to send Embassies , Instructions , and splendid trains of Attendance and Presents , before the Committee in England know of it . Arg. 7. This is drawn from the distance of the places . Letters do pass freely to and from Turkey in a short time : and in case of injuries done the English , his Majesties Men of War may soon go down from Tangier to revenge them . But India is at a far greater distance : no certain return of a Letter to be had once in Twelve moneths : and the Princes and Ports there , are at a wider distance one from another , than it is from England to Turkey ; and much more difficult to maintain a Correspondence by Letters in India from Port to Port ; by reason of the set Monsons or Trade-winds , that blow six moneths together one way . Arg. 8. Where-ever the English or any Europeans settle a Factory in India , they must presently build them large Houses , Ware-houses , &c. take many Servants , and maintain the appearance and splendour of a petty Court : and in many places where the Company have not fixt Garrisons , they are forced to fortifie their Houses , or else they will be despised and trampled upon by the Natives . If it be said , this may be done by a regulated Company . I answer , First , How shall they raise a Stock to buy those the Company have already ; with their Lands , Islands , Towns , Garrisons , Guns and Ammunition : which I am sure ( their Priviledges being put in likewise ) have cost the Company above 300000 l ? Next , How shall they maintain and defend them ? By Leviations upon Goods . What ? before there are any Goods to taxe . No , they shall raise a Joynt Stock , to make the first Purchase ; and after , take only a Taxe upon Goods to maintain them . These are absurd , incongruous , and impracticable Notions ; for in a time of War and Danger , Men will forbear trading ; as hath been ingeniously observed by the Author of the printed Letter : So that there will be no Goods to taxe , when there is most need of Money . Whereas the Governours or Committees , have always in their hands a real Fond of above a Million of Money ; and can borrow so much more in India in a few days , if they want it , their Credit there , being as currant as ready Gold : having never been so much as stained . I shall say no more upon this Argument , in regard the printed Letter , afore-said , hath so copiously and convincingly cleared this point , beyond all contradiction , that I have no room left me to enlarge ; but have reason to beg the Authors pardon , for what , in this , I have borrowed of him . Arg. 9. The East-India Company of England , Holland , and all European Nations that trade to India , have power , by their Charters , to make War upon any Nation in India , at their Discretion ; but not upon any European Nation , without his Majesties consent . This power they must and ought to have for the well carrying on of their Trades . This power the English Company have sometimes , but not often exercised : but if it were not known in India , that they have such a power , they should be continually affronted and abused by the Natives . Now who shall this Power be delegated unto , in a regulated Company ? To all English Men , or to a single Embassador , or to many Embassadors and Consuls ? V. That the East-India Trade is more profitable and necessary to the Kingdom of England , than to any other Kingdom or Nation in Europe . FIrst , This is so as we are an Island , and have our principal Security , as well as the increase of our Riches from our Trade and Strength at Sea. Secondly , And which I take to be a main consideration , The Trade of India is to England not only a great , but an unmixt Advantage : Whereas to all our Neighbours , though the Trade of the East-Indies be a great Advantage , and accordingly courted and coveted by them ; yet they cannot have it without some mixture of Loss in other respects ; because some of them have the growth and production of Silk among themselves , as Italy and France . They have likewise the sole Manufacture of plain Silks , such as Taffateis , Sarcenets , &c. which are brought from India cheaper than they can make them at Home . Whereas in England , our Silk Manufacture consists not in those plain Silks , but in Flowred Silks and Fancies , changed still as often as the Fashion alters . Holland , Flanders , ( and France , in some measure ) have their principal Manuctures in fine Linnens , Cambricks , Lawns and Hollands ; which only Callicoe works upon , to the putting them very much out of request , in their own Countreys and and all other parts of Christendom . Whereas the Linnen we make in England is of the strong course sorts , generally used by the meaner People ; which Callicoe doth not prejudice to any sensible degree . Neither is the Linnen Manufacture in England a matter worth taking notice of ( whatever a few Gentlemens opinion is ) But in Holland , Flanders , France , and some parts of Germany , it is their main Concern ; being the subsistence of the Majority of their People , as the Woollen Manufacture is in England . Thirdly , The Dutch have a standing Contract with the King of Persia for all his Silk ; which may amount to 600 Bales yearly . Now in regard Bengall Silk in the East-Indies , can be brought to Europe cheaper than Persia Silk : the Dutch by bringing Silk from Bengall , must of necessity in some kind prejudice that Contract in the price of Silk ; though it be the Dutch Companies own Contract , as well as the Turkey Merchants . Whereas we having no such Contract in Persia , do not work upon our selves , as they must of necessity : And yet they are wiser than to slight the Trade of Bengall for that cause . This Argument concerning the Dutch Contract in Persia , is so fully confirmed by the Companies Advices lately received from Persia , that the Dutch there did lately desire to be excused from receiving their Quota of Silk , which is 600 Bales yearly , upon pretence of their want of Money to pay for it ; which notwithstanding was forced on them by Sheeke Ally Cawne , the Emperor's Governor there . If it be here askt me , Why the English East-India Company , seeing Persia is within their Charter , are not as wise as the Dutch , to make a Contract likewise with the King of Persia ? I answer , The Dutch got the start of us in that long before this Company was constituted ; and we cannot possibly retrieve it yet : The Persians being a People most difficult to remove from any thing they have once determined . If it be here further retorted upon me , That by my own confession , the Importation of Silk from India , doth prejudice the English Turkey Merchants in the price of their Silk here . I grant it : But what is that to England in general ? It 's the interest of England that we should have Silk here ( being a material to be Manufactured ) cheaper than in any other part of Europe , where it grows : and so we shall infallibly , if the Company stand . But at the same time , I do expresly deny that the making of Silk cheap in England , doth hinder the Exportation of our Woollen Manufacture to Turkey : The contrary being as evident as the Sun at Noon-day , to any Man that has not the mist of private Gain or Loss hanging before his Eyes ; as before is demonstrated in those two pregnant , experienced , unanswerable Instances , viz. That as the price of Portugal Sugars hath abated ( in which formerly almost all our returns from that Countrey were made ) we have increased exceedingly in the Exportation of Woollen Manufactures to that Countrey ; and even in the Trade of Turkey it self for many years : And to this very time , as the price of Turkey Silk hath abated , the Exportation of our Woollen Manufacture hath increased : and so it will still , though Silk should come to half the price it bears now in England . Upon the proof whereof , by time , I dare hazard all that little I have in the World. Besides , when all is done , and if the Turkey Merchants might have their Will , to the irrepairable damage of their Common Countrey ; what would they be the better ? Except by an Act of Parliament we could as well hinder the French , Dutch , and other Neighbours from trading in East-India Silk , as we can the English East-India Company . Is not this dealing our Childrens Bread to Strangers ? Weakning our Selves , and strengthening our Enemies , whilst they laugh and stand amazed at our Indiscretion ? For a Conclusion , That the present and future Ages may know in what Condition the English East-India Trade stood , when the Company was assaulted by the private designs of parcicular Men ; I shall add an Account of the present posture of their Affairs , viz. Last year the Company sent out ( which are not yet returned ) for the Coast of Cormandel , and the Bay of Bengall , Four three Deck-Ships , viz. The Eagle , burden 590 Tuns , and 118 Seamen , besides Passengers . The Sampson , burden 600 Tuns , 120 Seamen . The Berkley-Castle , burden 530 Tuns , 106 Seamen . The President , burden 550 Tuns , 110 Seamen . For Suratt and the Coast of India , three Three-Deck Ships , viz. The Williamson , burden 550 tuns , 110 Seamen . The Lancaster , burden 450 tuns , 90 Seamen . The Johanna , burden 530 tuns , 106 Seamen . For Bantam , two Ships , viz. The Society , burden 600 tuns , 100 Seamen . The Nathaniel , burden 600 tuns , 100 Seamen . For the South Seas and China , two Ships , viz. The Faulcon , burden 430 tuns , 64 Seamen . The Barnardiston , burden 350 tuns , 69 Seamen . And in all of them the Stock of 479946 l. 15 s. 6 d. This Year the Company are sending out for the Coast of Cormandel , and the Bay of Bengall , 5 Three-Deck Ships , viz. The Bengall , burden 570 tuns , 114 Seamen . The Ann , burden 460 tuns , 92 Seamen . The Golden Fleece , burden 575 tuns , 115 Seamen . The Caesar , burden 520 tuns , 104 Seamen . The George , burden 580 tuns , 116 Seamen . For Suratt , and the Coast of India , three Ships , viz. The Josia , 600 tuns , 120 Seamen . The Massingbird , 480 tuns , 88 Seamen . And the Success , 460 tuns , 92 Seamen . For Bantam , three Ships , viz. The New London , 600 tuns , 100 Seamen . The Scipio Africanus , 360 tuns , 74 Seamen . And the Persia Merchant , 360 tuns , and 74 Seamen . And for the South-Seas and China , one other great Ship , which is not yet resolved upon . And in all of them the Stock of above 600000 l. Ster . Note that the Ships are generally bigger than they are let for , and the Company employ none but English-built Ships ; and that besides what they sent out last Year , and are sending this , they have always a considerable Stock left in the Countrey , to make and provide Goods before-hand . Besides , likewise their Islands , Towns , Garrisons , Houses , Buildings , Ammunition , &c. The just number of their Adventurers now , is 556 , and new ones daily coming in : The Companies Doors being never shut against any of his Majesties Subjects , as Regulated Companies are . And they have what Money they will at 3 per Cent ; which will be the worst News of all in Holland . If , notwithstanding all that hath been said , the Company must be destroyed , Gods Will be done . To write what I have , I thought my Duty to my Countrey ; which having satisfied my self in the performance of , I am not careful for events : being always confident , that whatever the Parliament does , they will do it justly ; and so wisely as to make the best of a bad Bargain . I am persuaded the Dutch , to have this feat done , would ease our Lands a while , by giving us a Million of Pounds Sterling , if they knew where to find Chapmen ( which God grant they never may ) ; and I am sure , if they did pay two Millions , they would have too good a Bargain of it . FINIS .