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A35034) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 65988) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 686:11) The plea, case, and humble proposals of the truly-loyal and suffering officers Croft, Robert. [8], 27 p. Printed for the truly-loyal and suffering officers, London : March 30, 1663. "Epistle dedicatory" signed: Robert Croft in the name of the rest. Reproduction of original in Huntington Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. 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To the Right Honourable the LORDS , And to the Honourable the COMMONS Assembled in PARLIAMENT . May it Please Your Honours , IT is not the King's Party , but His Cause , that lies now at your Feet : and the Question is Briefly but This : Whether or no , from this time forward , Loyalty in an Englishman shall be Reputed a Crime or a Virtue ? Our Comfort is , that we have the Authority of the Nation , for our Protection ; the Justice of it , for our Judges ; the Wisdom , Vote , and Interest of it , for our Advocates : and This Address is but an Appeal from the Inquity of our Oppressors , to the Piety of our Governours . We shall not trouble your Honours with Compleynts against a General Corruption ; ( how - True , and Dangerous-soever ) but content our selves with a Particular Case , wherein the Parties to this Paper are Peculiarly Concern'd , and only Relievable by Your Honourable Aid , and Authority Which Case , in short , is This There appear so many Pretenders to the Sixty Thousand Pounds , &c. lately Granted by His Majesty , at Your Honours Request , for the Relief of the Truly-Loyal , and Indigent Officers , that without a strict Examination of the Certificates , the King , the Kingdome , and the Party , will be Deceiv'd of Half the Mony. This Inconvenience was Prudently foreseen by the Honourable , the Commissioners Appointed for the Distribution of it ; who thereupon Directed the Regimenting , and Printing of the Certificates in Order to a Review : which Vote was no sooner Past , but Presently Hands were Gather'd to call for a Present Dividend ; ( Although as yet there were not above Five Thousand Pounds in the Treasury ) Some Honest Gentlemen were Drawn into This Petition , who now see Their Errour ; and that the Scope of it was , by a Confusion of all Qualities , and Interests , to Hinder a Discovery . Those Interruptions being at length Remov'd , and the Book Perfected , and Printed ; by the Express Approbation of His Sacred Majesty ; The License of a Principal Secretary of State ; and the Unanimous Allowance of the Commissioners aforesaid ; We do most Humbly Crave leave to Acquaint Your Honours , that there is Great Industry still Employ'd , to frustrate the Effects of it by Disgracing the Thing it self , and by Hastning a Distribution , before we can Reap the Fruit of the Intended Inspection : When yet The Abuse is so Gross , and Palpable , that not Any Man that has ever born Office in the King's Army , but can Point to the very Particulars , and say [ This Officer has been dead This Seven-year . [ That never had any Commission . [ A Third never had any Men. [ This left the Party and Serv'd the Enemy , &c. ] So that , finally , only . Those will be Gainers by a Sudden Distribution , that would be Losers by an Inspection . Nay , so Unfortunate we are , that it has been several times Refus'd us to Enter an Advertisement of This List into the News-Book , which is the only Publique , and Common way of Notice . All These Crosse Circumstances put together , have driven us upon a Necessity of Saying Something to do our selves Right ; and That 's the only Scope of our Plea , Case , and Proposals , which , with all Dutiful Reverence , are the Subject of This Dedication . The First Part Conteyning our Answers to several Objections , touching the Reason of our Proceedings . The Second Part is Chiefly a Report of Fact , to Vindicate us in Point of Modesty . The Third Consists of Certain Proposals , which we rather commit to the Motions of Providence upon Your Hearts , then Presume in any Degree to Presse upon Your Inclinations . If we have Offended in Point of Forme , we are Ready , with all Dutyful Submissions , to Acknowledge our Offence : For Although the Indignation , to see our Selves bought and sold like Slaves , and Practis'd upon by every Knight of the Post , may Possibly Divert us from the Regular Method of Good Manners ; Yet , where the Question is either Duty to Your Authority , or Gratitude to Your most Generous Obligations ; we shall much rather Lose the Remnant of our Miserable Lives , then Fayle of any Proofe which may Demonstrate the Truly-Loyal and Suffering Officers , to be of All Others In the most Inviolable Bonds , and Resolves of Reverence , and Obedience At Your Honours Devotion Robert Croft In the Name of the Rest . The Truly-Loyall OFFICERS PLEA , &c. THere is a Book lately Printed under This Title : [ A List of Officers Claiming to the Sixty Thousand Pounds , &c. Granted by His Sacred Majesty for the Relief of His Truly-Loyall and Indigent Party . Which List is made Publique , by the Consent , and at the desire of the Honourable the Commissioners Appointed by Act of Parliament for Distribution of the said Moneys . ] To which must be added , that This List is Published by the Kings Express Allowance , and Licensed by His Majestie 's Chief Secretary of State. It will now seem Needless , perhaps , or worse , To plead the Cause of an Act , Executed by so Ample , Solemn , and Unquestionable Authority ; unless we first acquaint the World , that , notwithstanding This Authority , great Endeavours are Used , to Blast , and Discredit the Proceeding : Every Stationer's Shop being Buzz'd with Arguments against the Thing : mostly ( as in Charity we believe ) out of Mistake , or Misenformation ; but not a little also , out of Project , and Designe ; for , there are very many Persons , whose Interest it is to Suppress the List , as the Evidence and Story of their Own Crimes : Whereas , on the Other side , it is as much the Behoof of the Truly-Loyall to Promote the Ends of This Book , as it is for the Benefit of their Opposers to Destroy the Fruits of it : Since not only the Reputation , and Well-being of the Party , but the Cause it Self lies at Stake , and ( to speak with Reverence , and Modesty ) the Honour and Safety both of the King , and Kingdom , are Concern'd in the Consequence of This Miscarriage . The Grounds of which Opinion , we shall as frankly submit to the Censure of Others , as we readily Engage against Their Objections to Acquit our Selves . Which Objections we shall Undertake in the first place : and They are ( according to the best of our Enformation ) in Summe , and Weight , as followes . FIrst ; The Printed List of Officers , Exposes the Royal-Party to have Their Throats Cut , in Case of an Insurrection , which was the Compounders Case in the dayes of the Committee of Safety , when upon Printing a List of Their Names , it was proposed , that the whole Party might be Massacred . FIrst ; It is a Charge upon the King , to suggest that His Party are in the same Danger now , under his Majestie 's Protection , which they were formerly in , under the Persecutors of His Royal-Father . Secondly ; By the same Reason , All his Majestie 's Loyal-Subjects , must either wear Vizors , or Hide their Heads , when the King 's in Danger ( for Men are better known by their Faces , than by their Names ) and what Mischief soever Threatens the Royal-Party , is but in order to the Destruction of the King-Himself . Thirdly ; The Members that Voted This Money , and the Commissioners that are to Distribute it , All Their Names are Printed ; and where 's the Greater Hazzard of Printing Their Names too that are to Receive it ? IT is a Dishonour for so many Persons of Quality to be Publisht for Indigent : besides the Inconvenience of being Laid open to their Creditors , and the losse of other Preferments , by being known to be Necessitous . FIrst ; The very Act require that They be Publiquely Certify'd , and Publiquely Registred as Persons that have not a sufficient Livelyhood ; so that as to the Point of Publishing Their Indigency , the Thing is done Already . Secondly ; Touching the suppos'd Dishonour of being known to be Poor , let it be consider'd , That every Mans Loyalty and his Poverty are Recorded together : and certainly , no Person of Honour will Think it any shame , to Proclaim to the world , that He has spent his Fortunes in the Service of a Prince , that laid down his Life for the Preservation of His People . Another Branch of This Objection is , concerning the Consequence of appearing Necessitous ; which , in This Particular , we are so far from fearing , that we Reckon the Enlisting of our Names upon a Publique Roll , to be the only Secure and Honourable way of Redemption , whereof our Condition is Capable . First , as to our Creditors ; our fair , and warrantable Debts , do , by such a Record , become virtually the Debts of the Nation ; and they are Effectually so Acknowledged , both by the King , and Kingdom , in the late Act of Parliament , where it is Declar'd , For the Perpetual Memory of the Eminent Deservings of the Loyal Party , and for the Encouragement of Loyalty to future Ages , that Their great Services and Sufferings exceed all possibility of present Compensation , from a Kingdom Exhausted by the Rapine and Oppression of a long Rebellion . ] From whence it appears , that Our Necessities are but Dependent upon the Necessities of the Publique . Shall the Kings Party now be Asham'd to Publish Their Wants , when His Sacred Majesty is Content to Confess His Own ? or , What better Security can our Creditours , either Wish , or Expect , than to find us Recommended ( as in another place we are ) to future Employment and further Reward ? ( which will Enable us to satisfie them ) . And This Recommendation will be most Solemn , and Effectual , upon a Publique and Inspected List : Whereas , otherwise , for the shadow of a Reputative Disgrace , we quit the substance of a lasting , and monumental Honour : Concealing our Disease , out of a scruple at the Remedi ; till at last , we Perish One by One , unknown ; and the whole Party sinks by degrees , into a Condition both Wretched , and Ridiculous . Again ; that the Printing of our Names , should be any Hinderance to our Preferments ( without the greatest Indignity possible to his Majesty ) is the Thing we cannot upon any Terms either Admit , or Comprehend . If we Consider the Party ; take their Character , in the Preamble to the late Act for their Relief . It is That Loyal Party , Which through all Hazzarde and Extremities , in the Defence of the Kings Person , Crown , and Dignity , the Rights and Priviledges of Parliament ; the Religion Lawes , and Honour of the English Nation did bear Armes by the Command of His Late Maiesty of ever Blessed Memory , according to their Duty , and the known Lawes of this Land ; and did with an Unwearied Courage , Faith , and Constancy with their Lives and Fortunes , Oppose that Barbarous Rebellion raised against His Most Excellent Maiesty , in the year 1642. — That Loyal Party , Which after the Horrid Murther of Their late Glorious King with the same Uigorous and Active Loyalty asserted the Rights and Interests of his Royal Successor , and with the same Restless Zeal Opposed all succeeding Usurpations , untill His Sacred Maiesty Return'd in Peace and Triumph , &c. Will it binder any Mans Preferment now to have his Name affixt to This Character ? Where 's the Gratitude , and Justice of the Nation ? If Those Persons that have Ruin'd Themselves in the service of the Publique , shall fare the worse for being known to have done their Duties ? Where 's the Wisdome of the Nation , if it be rendred more Beneficial to subvert the Government , than to uphold it ; and if the Reward of Struggling with all Hazzards , and Misfortunes , to preserve the Lawes , must be either Reproche , or losse of Preferment , to such as shall appear to have been undone in the Contest ? Lastly ; Where 's the Faith , and Honour of the Nation ; if , after a Parliamentary Declaration for the Encouragement of Loyalty , People should speed the worse , for being Published to have been the Eminent and Miserable Assertours of it ? So that the Community is cleerly of us , With us , and For us . Wee 'll now Advance our Argument a little higher . Shall we lose our Hopes ; and Preferments , if we be once known to be Poor , upon so Publique , and Noble an Accompt ? This Objection vanishes for ever , when we Reply , that The King is the Fountain of all Considerable Honours , and Preferments ; and that He is a Pious , a Prudent , a Just , and a Gratious Prince ? What is our Unhappiness even at this Instant , but the want of such a Roll as is now the Question ? We do not speak of a List of Enquiry , which is only Previous to Another , and serves but to Discriminate the Right and Wrong ; but of a Try'd and Examined List of such Officers as have stood the utmost Test of Misery , and Persecution Nor is this any new Thing : Forasmuch as there be many Old Servants , and feeble ; that have Dispended their Youth in the service of my Lords , my Grandfather , Father , and Brother , whose souls God assoile ; and also with my Lord that now is , whom God given good life and long , some without any Livelyhood or Goterdon , so that they be now in great Mischief , and Necessity , and some but easily Guerdoned , and nought like to their Desert and Service : Wherefore I desire that there may be a BOOK made of all the NAMES of such as have so Served , and been Hnguer doned , or nought Guerdoned like to their Desert , to the Intent , when Offices , and Corodies fall , that they might be given to such Persons ; they having Consideration to the Ability of them , and to the time that they have served , in the same wise as of Benefices to Clerks . Henry the Fourth of France , did for the Relief of such as had been Maimed , Wounded , or Begger'd in his Service , Grant by an Irrevocable EDICT . The Royal House of Christian Charity , and the Money growing upon the Remainder of Accompts of Hospitals , Almes-Houses , Leprous-Houses , and other such Companies , and of the Vsurpations , and Alienations of the Revenues thereof , Revisions of the Accompts , and Abuses and Disorders committed in the Government , and Administration of the said Places , together with the Money which should arise of the Places , and Pensions of Religious Lay-men , in every Abby and Priory of his Realm , being in his Majesties Nomination . The Consideration of the Horse was referred to the Duke of Montmorency ; and of the Foot , to the Duke of Espernon , who were to make A LIST of the Persons , and to note in the Margin what Annual Pensions every man might merit , according to his Quality , Valour , and Wounds . Was a List of the Truly-Loyal , and Indigent-Subjects of the Kings Progenitors thought so necessary , and Beneficial to Them ; and is it not much more Expedient for the Subjects of His Sacred Majesty now in Being ? To suppose that ever any Prince had more Tenderness and Mercy in his Inclination , were to Blaspheme the greatest Goodness in Nature : and on the other side , Malice it self will not pretend , that ever any Subjects made it more appear , that Their Duties and their Souls were Inseparable , than That Party which are the present Matter in Question . So that , in Fine , We want nothing in the world , but a List of our Names , in the Kings view , to do our business . Shall his Majesty but vouchsafe barely to look upon us in our Misfortunes ? we have His Natural Clemency to Plead for us . But when it shall descend to Consider , that even These Raggs had the Honour to Contribute somewhat toward His due Establishment , and Glory ; His Royall Justice will not ( with Reverence ) Permit Him , having reliev'd , and fixt all other Interests , to suffer ours alone to lye Disconsolate and Hopeless . Does the King need Loyal Officers ? Such a List as we propose , furnishes His Majesty with Those that want Employments ; and , Whom will his Royal Wisdom rather trust , than such as with their Lives and Fortunes , first serv'd his Royal Father , till they were Commanded to Render and Disband ; and after That , with a Fidelity Inviolable , Press'd through all Hazards and Temptations , untill the settlement of His Sacred Majesty in His undoubted Birth-Right . In short , upon the whole Matter , it is Impossible for us to be in His Majesties Eye , and not in His Care. But there is Another Objection , that IT would Reflect upon the King , to have it known , that so many Loyal Officers are left without a Livelyhood . IF it would Reflect upon the King , to have it known that we are left without a Livelyhood ; It will do his Majesty Right , to make it known that we are provided for ; and a Printed Roll of Their Names to whom the King has already Granted something , and Promis'd more , is a Publique Evidence both of His Majesties Present Grace and Favour , and of his further Bountifull Intentions . Again , To that part of the Objection , that so many are left unconsider'd , A Printed List will Lessen the Number . 3ly Without a Printed List , Our Distress will be Imputed to the King , though it be our own Fault ; for his Majesty is not Oblig'd to take notice of our Particular Necessities by Divination . MOst of the Commissioners are Parliament-men , and the Publishing of this List , is in a manner to Arraign the House of Commons , for having Certifi'd so many unwarrantable Persons . THere 's a Great Difference betwixt Members of the House in a Committee of Parliament , and Members of the House Joyned in Commission with Others by Act of Parliament ; where they sit , not as Members , but as Commissioners . But to something that 's more Pertinent . Let it be Noted , that the Commissioners are directed to Certifie , as the Matter appears to Them ; and according to the best of their Knowledge : which Certification amounts to no more , ( unless they speak upon a positive Averrment ) than the Recommending of an Officer upon a Credible Information ; wherein there is neither required a Certainty of the Thing , nor an Infallibility in the Person . So that the Crime lyes Evidently in the Fraud of That Report , whereupon each Respective Certificate was obtein'd ; and without any colour of Reflection upon the Commissioner that Granted the Certificate . ( for 't is no Dishonour to be Deceiv'd , where 't is Impossible to be Certain . ) Again , since to be Deceivable , is but to be a Man ; it can be no Fault , or Shame to be Mistaken , What will the Objector say now to his Own Argument , when he perceives the Poynt of it turn'd upon Himself ? 'T is suggested that , A Printed List Asperses the House of Commons ; and yet 't is manifest , ( since Mistakes go for nothing ) that no Reproche can arise from This Matter , to the Disadvantage of Any Man , which is not Grounded upon Express Confederacy , and Practice . We have said already what we conceive needfull , as to our Opponent's General Objections ; but there are some Particulars yet behind , which we cannot conveniently let pass without a Reply : and They concern , First , ( in the List it self ) the Person that Compos'd it ; and , in the Next Place , Those Officers for whose Benefit , He has given Himself That Trouble . Touching the Book , 't is Whisper'd and Fomented that , There are many Officers left out , and Misrepresented ; that , The Method of it is not clear ; and in short , that , The whole Thing is Ineffectual . To which we Answer . First , that we do not hear of any man left out , beside Those mention'd in the Errata , save only ( by the Clerks Fault in the last Transcript ) Colonel WILLIAM HAWLY , a Colonel of Foot under the Marquesse of Newcastle ; which Oversight , the Gentleman that Dispos'd the Papers , Acknowledges with great Respect to that worthy Person : But so , as taking upon Himself only the Order of the Copy , without undertaking for the Corrector of the Presse . 'T is True , there are many Field-Officers wanting , which some People are willing should be understood not only as a Defect in the Book , but as an utter Exclusion to Those that are left out : Whereas the Truth is This ; The Officers are to be Try'd by Their Certificates ; and this Printed List is Only to shew Them in their Counties , Qualities , and Regiments , for the more easie and open Inspection . It will be fit likewise to Clear the other Mistake concerning the Field-Officers that are Omitted ; to whom it may be Given to understand , that the Last Allowance for the Press did precisely Prohibit the Printing of any Field-Officer , but such as should desire it . Whereupon , a Matter of a Hundred Gentlemen ( being at that time about , or near the Town , and taking Notice of That Order ) Enter'd Their Names , and are Printed accordingly . To the second Exception , Concerning Mistakes in the Press ; They are not much vers'd in Books , that look for none ; Especially in a Copy of This Nature ; where there is neither Reason , nor Coherence to Guide the Compositor ; and where , withall , there is scarce any one word that is not of a Nice , and Particular Import : to which must be added , the Confusion , and Errours of the Papers whence This List was Extracted ; together with the Intricacy of the Thing it self , and the necessary Hast in the Dispatch of it . Nor must it be forgotten , that very many of the Original Certificates are Interlin'd , and with a Differing Hand , and Ink , from that which wrote the Body of them ( which may fairly enough be presum'd to have been done since the signing , and sealing . These Circumstances duly Consider'd , it is no wonder to find some Mistakes , and yet ( saving those which are Corrected in the Errata ) we meet with few or none . Material , that we can Charge upon the Transcript . Touching the Obscurity of the Method ; It will suffice that any man that can but Read , may Enform Himself in the Advertisement : and that in the Alphabet of the Book , He is to look for the Regiment he desires , as the Table directs him to the Certify'd Officer . The Last Exception is , that The List is Ineffectual ; which is confuted by a Demonstration of the Contrary , in the Discovery it has already produc'd . In the Next Place , to the Folly of this List , comes to be suggested the Malice of it ; and That , without any Regard at all to Those Powers , that have both Approv'd and Authoriz'd it . It is Point-blank Affirm'd , that This List is only His Design that put it together , to cast an Odium upon the King , and to work Himself into a Faction . Concerning which , the Gentleman Himself has Conjur'd Us , not to put on so much as a serious Look , upon so Innocent a Scandal : wherefore we let that Question fall , touching His Particular . But the Brand of Faction upon the Generality of the Truly-Loyal and suffering . Party ; the Charge of Mutiny , and Disobedience , to the Authority of Parliament : ( for This is the Language that we are of late accustom'd to ; if we but Modestly sollicit and endeavour , that the Bounty which His Majesty Only Intended for His Friends ; may not be divided amongst His Enemies ) — These are Imputations which we cannot but in Honour take Notice of , so far as Consists with our Duty to the King , and to the Law ; and rather than pass That Limit , we shall not Refuse to Lay our Necks , at the Feet , even of our Meanest , and Unkindest Adversaries ; with which Caution and Modesty before us , we shall now Proceed to a Brief State of our Case . The CASE . SO soon as His Sacred Majesty had Past the Two Bills for the Relief of His Truly-Loyal and Indigent Party , and Prorogued the Parliament , The Commissioners Appointed Act of Parliament , for the Menage and Distribution of That Bounty , Apply'd Themselves with all Care , and Diligence , to the Advancement , and dispatch of That Affair . Particularly , the Honourable the Commissoners siting in the Star-Chamber ( by Virtue of the Aforesaid Act , and to the Ends aforesaid ) Observing , and being Enform'd , that Diverse Certificates were artificially Introduc'd , and that many other Practices , and Forgeries had been Attempted upon the Commissioners , found it Convenient to make use of a Certain Number of select Officers , of known Integrity , and of General Acquaintance in His Late Majestie 's Armies , to Assist them in the discovery of Unqualify'd Pretenders ; which Officers , being both Nominated , and Empower'd by the said Commissioners , did accordingly Assemble and Proceed in Form , and under the Name of a Committee for Inspections : Which Committee being afterward dissolv'd , and Their Proceedings Vacated ; It will not be Incongruous either to Order , or Good Manners , if for the clearing of our Cause , we touch upon some Passages Then and There in Debate . This Committee was by its Constitution to Consist of a Chosen Number of Commission Officers Additional to as many Commissioners of Parliament as should think fit to be There . Their Power was only Preparatory , and their first Order was to Consider of a Method to prevent the passing of undue Certificates ; and to Report their Proceedings therein upon the Tuesday following to the Star-Chamber . Instead of Framing This Method ( which in Course was the first thing should have been done ) some Considerable time was spent upon Certificates ; effectually , without any Method at all , save only that the Colonels were to be first , and the Rest to follow in their Turns ; and All to be put to a present Vote , Whether they should Stand or Fall. This manner of Proceeding begat : many Heats , Disorders , and Delays , for want of an Impartial Rule , whereby to Judge of every Man according to his Respective Glayme , and Qualification : till in the End , Experiment and Prudence mov'd the Gentlemen to Consider of a Certain Standard , that should determine all Niceties in Question : which was no sooner Agreed upon but it was Regularly submitted , and Reported to the Star-Chamber , Consisting in substance of These Particulars following . He that has not Any way deserted his Loyalty and Duty to the Late King , or his present Maiesty in Their Wars ( which are the words of the Act , ) or ( as in another Place ) that has serv'd the Late King , and his present Maiesty through the whole Course of the Late Wars ; ▪ That Person is within the Meaning of [ Truly-Loyal . ] The Standard for [ Indigence , ] was Four hundred Found ( in proportion to an Annuity of Fifty or Threescore . ) . A Reall Command ] for a Colonel of Horse , was stated at Two-Hundred ; for a Captain , at Thirty Horse : For a Colonel of Foot , at Three-Hundred men ; for a Captain , at Forty . They offer'd likewise , what Officers they conceiv'd to have a Reall Command of Souldiers according to their Commisions , and propos'd a Regimental Order , as the aptest Method , in their Opinion , for Inspection . While Matters were in Motion toward this hopefull Period , there Interven'd another Question not to be omitted , and it was occasion'd by somewhat that fell from the Lips of a worthy Gentleman ( having at that time the Chaire ) which was , that There were Seaven-Thousand and Five-Hundred Officers Certify'd , upon which Computation ( Reckoning Those that are probably Dead since — 46 , and Those that are known to have Deserted , together with Those that do not Claim ) the late King must be suppos'd to have lost his Crown at the Head of above Twelve-Hundred Thousand men . The Effects which This Overture wrought upon the Truly-Loyal , and Suffering Party ( especially proceeding from a Person that spake with Authority , and upon Knowledge ) were no other , than as so many Lines drawn to a Point ; Every man pressing ( though with various Reasons ) to the same end [ PRINTING , ] as the only means to Purge and Reduce that Prodigious-List ; and which way soever they lookt , they met with Arguments , both of Honour , and of Necessity to Persue it ; and still the more narrowly they Consider'd , the more forcible they found those Arguments . The Case They Reason'd Thus : THe Kingdom has presented His Majesty , and His Majesty has , at their Request , Gratiously Bestow'd upon His Truly-Loyal , and suffering Officers , a Considerable Sum of Money , with an Express Limitation of it , to the Use and Behoof of such Persons . Shall Cromwell's Guards now be Admitted to the Reward , and Character of Loyalty ? or shall His Majestie 's Bounty , that was directed singly to His Dutiful Servants , be Apply'd in Common to the Murtherers of His Father ? Shall Treason , and Loyalty , be supported by the same Hand ? Or shall Those Gentlemen that ever Valu'd Their Honours before Their Lives be subjected now at Last to mingle Their Names with men of Desperate and Infamous Forfeitures ? And yet all This must be done without a strict Examination of This Blended List . Upon the whole , The King's Intentions are Frustrated , His Charity Misemploy'd , His Loyal Servants Defrauded , His Enemies Supply'd , Loyalty is Disheartn'd , and Disobedience Encourag'd : beside the Profusion of the Publique Treasure ; the Hazzard of His Majesty taking His Enemies , for His Friends ; and finally , beside the sad Consequence of Condemning a Party that has been Loyal beyond all President , to be Miserable beyond all Example ( which must needs follow upon the Admittance of so many Sharers to This Money . ) To these Arguments ( in Order to the Press ) . It was Reply'd , that the King had Positively declar'd Himself against it . Whereupon , ( in Confidence that if so it were , it proceeded only from a Misrepresentation of the Thing ) The Gentlemen drew up their Reasons , and Tender'd Them to the Star-Chamber , with their desires , that his Majestle's Pleasure might be more Particularly besought concerning That Matter . Upon which they past a Vote , and a Person of Eminent Honour and Modesty , Attended the King with the Humble Request of the Commissioners ; to whom , upon the first Overture , His Majesty was pleased to express Himself , that there was much to be said both for , and against it ; Demanding withall , What Number the Certificates might amount to ? It was Answer'd , that They were Reputed to be about Six or Seven Thousand . Whereupon , His Majesty Replyed , that it must needs be a great Abuse then ; and that it would be so much Money thrown away , if it came to be divided into so many shares ; in the Conclusion ; remitting the Business wholly to the Commissioners . Upon the Report of which Gratious Return , the Honourable the Commissioners past a Vote for the Print , and soon after , Another for the Method , and Two more after That , the One in Allowance of the Book , and the Other of the Praeface , wherewith His Majesty was again Acquainted and Approv'd it . So that at length , by the Mediation of all honourable Aids , Agreements , and Authorities , we are possest of the List ; which we find , as we Expected ; ( save that it falls nigh Two-Thousand short of the first Computation ) In This List , we meet with Diverse Officers that have been long Dead ; several that never serv'd the King at all ; others that left , and fought against Him. Beyond These Gross Abuses we do not presume to Meddle ; and These are a sort of People , with Whom we should be very loth to appear in the same Livery . Concerning Commission-Officers within the Act : whatshall be Reputed a sufficient Livelyhood ; what a Desertion ; or what Measure Those Pesons are to receive , that claim to a Higher Command then in strictness they Executed : Touching These Particulars , we Interpose no further then in our wishes , that there may be no Point strain'd , to the Disadvantage of any Man that has faithfully , and Honourably serv'd His Majesty : for it is not our desire to augment our Particular Shares , by Grating upon our Fellows , but rather ( so far as Consists with the most Favourable sense of the Act , ) that all such as joyn'd , and Continued , in the same Cause , and Service , may likewise be Joyn'd , and Consider'd in the Reward . Within This Compass we Reckon it our Duty to Contain our selves ; and thankfully to acknowledge the Prudence , Justice , Tenderness , and unwearied Pains of Those Honourable Persons , who are Commissioned for our Relief ; by the Benefit of whose Favours , being now brought within View of what we have so long , and so earnestly desir'd ; we find at last Another Scruple Injected ; Which is ; that All Certificates sign'd by Five Commissioners at a Publique Meeting , are Concluding ; which Nicety is Principally Urg'd by such as have no other Title to the Benefit of the Act ; and the Delicacy of it Rests upon the Construction of the word [ TRUE ] [ according to the Number of such TRUE Certificates ] which [ TRUE ] if understood , Only as Oppos'd to COUNTERFEIT , there may be still a True Certificate , though of a False Matter . This Opinion will not sink into Us for many Rea - which we shall only Offer , with submission to Better . First , we conceive the Commissioners Nominated in This Act. ( and sitting in the Star-Chamber ) to be the Competent and Proper Judges of the Meaning of it ; and we have the Honour of Their Practice for Our Authority . As for Instance ; It is put to the Vote , what Officers should be Reputed Commission-Officers within the Act , and which not ? How come the Commissioners in the Star-Chamber now to be Judges of That Qualification , more then of the Rest ? That the Person Certify'd be a Commission-Officer , and that being a Commission-Officer , He be likewise Truly-Loyal , and Indigent , are Conditions Equally Requisite , by the Letter of the Act : and Five Commissioner's Hands can no more Conclude a Revolted Captain to be Truly-Loyal , then they can Authorize an Armourer to be a Commission-Officer ; which being over-Rul'd in the one , holds every jot as strong in the other . Further ; In the Praeface to This newly Printed List , the Honourable Commissioners have Expresly Promis'd , and Invited an Inspection : that is , an Inspection of Persons , rather than of Certificates ; for which Express Reason They are rather Enter'd in Regiments , than in Counties . Again ; The Conclusiveness of Five Hands at a Publique-Meeting Engages the Act in a Contradiction : ( and we have heard that an Act Repugnant to it self , is so far void ) The Distribution Made according to the Certificate , Contradicts the Distribution Requir'd according to the Act. To This , 't is Urg'd , that the Certificate is an Act Executed , and that though the Body of the Commissioners cannot totally Rescind such a Certificate , they may yet suspend the Issuing of the Mony. We Reply ; that if the Distribution were an Act Executed too ; such a Certificate were much a Better Plea , for a Mistake Unforeseen , and past Prevention , than it would be in This Case ; where , upon Proof , the Person that demands the Mony , is but the Counterfeit of the Person that ought to Receive it . Again ; may they suspend the distribution after the Mony is due , and not as well Refuse it utterly where it can never be due ? If it be due , they are to Pay it at first ; if it be not due , they are to Refuse it : for delay will not make it more due , and the Reason of stopping it for a moment , holds for ever . So that if they can neither Reject the Person because of the Certificate , nor Allow of Him because of the Act ; the Mony must Eternally Rest where it is , and never come to a Distribution . It may be also Consider'd , that the Case is Clear concerning the Persons , and doubtful touching the Certificates . But Wee 'll suppose more Force in the Objection then perchance there is , and that in Extremity [ such TRUE Certificates ] may be so Render'd , as to bear it . See now how Many Reasons , and how Weighty , what Troops of Inconveniences appear Against the Colour of That single Argument . There 's first , The Ground of the Act , [ a Consideration of services done to the Kingdom ] There 's Next The Scope of the Act ; [ The Honour and Relief of That Loyal Party that did Those Services . ] Thirdly , The Political Prudence of it [ for the Encouragement of Loyalty to Future Ages . ] Fourthly , The singular Care of Applying That Bounty aright : [ The Threescore Thousand Pounds must be distributed among Persons precisely so and so Qualify'd ] . To Conclude , All These Clear and Noble Ends must be disappointed ; The King's Favours scatter'd among His Enemies ; The Honourable Intentions of the Parliament Frustrated ; and the Bread Taken out of the Mouths of Honest Men , and Given to Another sort of People ; in favour of one dubious word , Notwithstanding above Twenty Positive , and Explicit Declarations in the same Act to the Contrary . We do not undertake to be Magisterial in This Opinion ; but we trust that for the General Good and Honour of the King's Party , no Other Persons shall be Knowingly Admitted to this Dividend ; and we hope likewise that in some Other Cases , no Person duly Qualify'd shall be shut out by the strictness of the Act , to whom Manifestly the Fruit and Grace of it was Intended . Touching the Reason , and Modesty of our Proceedings , enough is said ( as we presume ) to Acquit Us either of direct Folly , or Faction , we shall now lay down certain Humble Proposals suitable to the Rest of our Actings . The Humble Proposals of the Truly-Loyal and Suffering-Party . THe Two Points wherein the Truly-Loyal , and Suffering-Party find Themselves most sensibly aggriev'd ( next to That Influence which Their Misfortunes may have upon the Nation ) are their Necessities , and their Honours ; for they would not willingly appear either Ridiculous to the Age they Live in , or Infamous to Posterity . Touching their Wants ; They are as Great , as the Rapine , and Merciless Cruelty of a Twenty-Years-Oppression has been able to make Them , and They are at Once ( without Charging their Private Scores upon the Publique ) both the Memorials of their Loyalty , and the Punishment . Briefly , Such They are , as His Sacred Majesty , at the Request of His Two Houses of Parliament , has been Gratiously Pleas'd to Take into His Particular , and Princely Care , by a Late Act for their Present Relief ; wherein their Modesty Rests so Amply , and so Thankfully Satisfy'd , that they do not so much as Wish for any further Consideration , then what may Rationally arise from the Emprovement of That Grace , and Bounty . Concerning which It is their First and Humble Proposal , That the List of Certify'd Officers may be Inspected , and Purg'd ( Allowing a Convenient time for the Work ) before any Distribution of Moneys ; and that an Advertisement of the Printed List , and of the Intent of it , may be Publish'd in the News-Book ( which has been already twice Refus'd ) and Copies directed to the Respective Commissioners , of each several County , for the Ease , and Dispatch of the Discovery . The Fruit of This Inspection will be , at least , the Doubling of every Mans share ; beside the saving of Forty-Thousand Pounds to the Publique , and the Reducing of Those Gentlemen , who are hitherto Unprovided for , into a Number , and Condition more capable of Compensation . The Second Proposal , is This ; That a Provision may be made as well for the Benefit of all Persons clearly within the Meaning of the Act , as for the Exclusion of Those that have no Title to it . As for Instance , There are some Persons that have been Call'd away : either upon His Majesties Service , or Particular Business ; and committing the Care of their Certificates to Private Friends , they perceive , at last , that they are either Miscarry'd or Forgotten . There are Others likewise , That had Employment sufficient for a Livelyhood , ( when they ought to have Enter'd their Certificates , and therefore did not put in ) who are now left Destitute , by the Disbanding ( for Example ) of those Troupes which They Then Commanded ( as in the Case of Duynkirk , &c. ) — Under These Two Misfortunes are some very Worthy Officers Engag'd , that have an undoubted Right to the Equity of the Act. There are a Third Sort of unhappy Persons , whose Certificates are declar'd Invalid by the very Letter of the Act ; be the Officers Clayme never so Unquestionable , upon all Honourable Accompts ; and These are such as are Excluded , for want of Five Commissioners Hands at a Publique Meeting , to make their Certificates Authentique ; which was not to be had in Those Places , where either the Commissioners did not Meet at all , or the Officer had no Notice of Their Meeting : which Case ( with the Rest ) is most humbly Recommended to a Supplemental Act ; ( if any Supplement shall be thought Necessary . ) A Third Proposal , in order to the Effectual Clearing of This List , is , That in Case any Commissioners shall be Appointed to Enquire into the Matter , they may be Empower'd to Examine Witnesses upon Oath , for the Credit of the Proofe , and for the Preventing of Frivolous Enformations . It is humbly Propos'd in the Fourth Place , That after a thorow-Examination of the Certificates , there may be a Second List made of rhe Names of all such Truly-Loyall , and Indigent Officers , as , are found Allowable according to the Act : This Inspect'd List to be Humbly Offer'd to His Sacred Majesty ; and His Royall Favour Implor'd on the behalf of the Loyall Officers therein conteyned ; To the End ; That being in His Majesties Eye , They may lie the more open to Those Vacancies , and Employments for the future , whereof His Princely Goodness , shall vouchsafe to think them Worthy , and Capable . Consonant to the Reason of This Proposal , is the Tenor of the Act , wherein the Lords and Commons have been Pleas'd to Declare their Purpose to Transmit an Encouragement of Loyalty to future Ages . Which Encouragement is in Part made Good already ; to such as Desire to enter into Hospitals , or other Charitable Foundations ; by Requiring and Appointing that They Themselves , their Widowes , and Children , may be Preferred before All Others , except the Founders Kindred . And a further Provision is likewise Enacted by a Kate upon Parishes , for the Truly-Loyal and Suffering Soldiers in General . So that only Those Persons of Quality are left in Distress to whom it cannot be Suppos'd with Justice to the Publique , that these Allotments were ever Intended . Wherefore , as a Thing most suitable to the very Profession and Method of the Act ; It is with Reverence , and Submission Propos'd , That something may be done also by way of Recommendation , for the Encouragement of the Loyal Nobility and Gentry , that the Event of all their Hazzards and Services , may not seem to Terminate in an Hospital . To Passe now from matter of Necessity , to point of Honour . The Truly-Loyall and Indigent-Officers have but These Two Things to Desire . First , That the List may be exactly Purg'd , for the Honour both of the Cause , and of the Party . Secondly , That upon Sifting the Certificates , what Persons soever shall be found Guilty of Forgery , Subornation , or Corruption : They may be Subjected to such Punishment as belongs to the Quality of the Offence . THE END . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A35034-e1400 Object . 1. Answ . 1. Object . 2. Answ . 2. ☞ Ro● Parl. 11. H. 6. m. 6. Edict July 7. 1606. Jean de Serres Hist . Franc. pag. 1218. Object . 3. Answ . 3. Object . 4. Answ . 4.