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Dean of St. Paul's , Master of the Temple , and Chaplain in Ordinary to His Majesty . LONDON : Printed for W. Rogers , at the Sun against St. Dunstan's Church in Fleetstreet . MDCXCVII . To the Right Honourable Sir EDWARD CLARKE , LORD MAYOR : And to the Honourable Court of Aldermen . MY LORD , I Beg leave to Present Your Lordship with the Vindication of my Sermon lately Published by the Order of Your Court , against the Cavils , Calumnies , and wilful Misrepresentations of a Socinian Writer . The Argument is of that great Consequence that it deserves to be defended ; and this Pamphleteer has so rudely reflected upon the Honour and Sincerity of the Court , for their Order to Print it , that I look'd upon my self under a double Obligation , to Defend so Important a Truth , and in that to justify Your Lordship's Order . I pray God rebuke that perverse Spirit of Infidelity and Heresy which is gone abroad in the World , and secure the Faith of Christians from all the Arts and Insinuations of Impostors . That God would bless Your Lordship's Government , and preserve this Great City from all Temporal and Spiritual Evils ▪ is the hearty Prayer of , MY LORD , Your Lordship's , Most Obedient Servant , William Sherlock . A VINDICATION OF Dr. SHERLOCK'S Sermon before my LORD MAYOR , &c. WHEN I receiv'd the threatning and boasting Message from some busy Factors of the Socinian Fraternity , what work they would make with my late Sermon before my Lord Mayor , concerning the Danger of corrupting the Faith by Philosophy , my greatest Concernment was , how to meet with their Answer , which usually comes last to my hands , and how to bear the Drudgery of reading it ; for their Arguments have been spent long since , and that little Wit they had is now degenerated into Railing . That scurrilous Treatment they have lately given to so many Excellent Persons , especially to that Great Man the Bishop of Worcester , is a fair Warning to all who dare oppose them , what they must expect : And besides the Experience of their many former Civilities , I had more than ordinary reason to expect it now , they being touch'd in a very sensible part , without any other Defence to make : And this Author has not deceiv'd my Expectations ; for upon a Perusal of his Remarks , I find nothing of Argument , a very little Wit , and abundance of Railing . His Wit and Railing be to himself ; but I am sorry I can find nothing that looks so like an Argument , as to administer occasion for any useful Discourse . This there is no help for ; if Men will write Books without any Arguments to be answered , there is nothing to be done , but only to shew that they have offered nothing to the purpose , or that needs an Answer : And this will be done in a few words ; for he has disputed at large against what I never said nor thought , but has not one word against any part of the Argument of that Sermon . His Title-Page pretends a great Zeal for the Doctrine of the Catholick Church , and of the Church of England , concerning the Blessed Trinity : Which is as true , as that Richard Baldwin printed this Pamphlet , who has publickly disowned it in Print : But though a Socinian Conscience can digest such Godly Cheats , as a piece of Wit and Artifice , yet a Wise Man would not venture on them , because Mankind hate to be abused , and grow very jealous of Men of Tricks . And yet had we to deal with Modest Men , it would be thought a little of the latest for a Socinian to talk of defending the Doctrine of the Catholick Church , and of the Church of England , concerning the Blessed Trinity : For their Cant about Real and Nominal Trinitarians , and Three Infinite Minds and Spirits , is too well known to pass for so much as a Jest any longer ; and till they can defend the Judgment of their Disinteressed Person a little better than by scorning the Answer , which they will never be able to make any other Reply to , it were time for them , could they find any thing else to say in the room of it , to let that alone . And yet this is what he would bring this present Dispute to , if he knew how : He often flirts at Three Infinite Minds and Spirits , though there is no such Expression in the whole Sermon ; but still he says I intimate this in asserting a Real Trinity : Now if Three Infinite Minds and Spirits be essential to the Notion of a Real Trinity , ( as his Inference supposes ) it is the best Vindication that could possibly be thought of for that Expression : For not to believe a Real Trinity , is to deny the Father to be a True and Real Father , and the Son to be a True and Real Son , and the Holy Ghost to be a True and Real Spirit ; and this is to deny the Catholick Faith of Father , Son , and Holy Ghost , which cannot be a Real Trinity , cannot be really Three , if each of them be not truly and really what is signified by those Names . But though that Phrase of Three Infinite Minds and Spirits was used very innocently by me , only to signify Three Infinite Intelligent Persons , each of which is Infinite Mind and Spirit , and neither of them is each other , which is the Catholick Faith ; yet I freely acknowledge , as I have done more than once , That it is liable to a very Heretical Tritheistick Sense , if understood absolutely , and in that Sense I always disowned it : And it is a sign Men have very little to say , when they make such a noise with an inconvenient Form of Speech , though expounded to a Catholick Sense : But the Margin will direct the Reader where he may find the true State of this Controversy . But what is all this to my Sermon ? which neither explains nor defends any particular Hypothesis about the Trinity , but is a general Vindication of the Christian Faith from the Pretences of Reason and Philosophy . But , The Doctrine of the Catholick Church , and of the Church of England , concerning the Blessed Trinity , explained and asserted ▪ against the dangerous Heterodoxies in a Sermon by Dr William Sherlock , &c And , Remarks upon Dr. William Sherlock ' s ( False and Treacherous ) Defence and Explication of some Principal Articles of Faith , &c. were more specious Titles , and both so good , that they knew not which to chuse , and therefore adorned the Title-Page with one , and the Frontispiece with the other , that if ever a poor Sermon was confuted with Titles ( which have a strange Magick in them ) this is utterly undone . But it is time to consider his Remarks , which exactly answer the Title , that they are nothing to the purpose . I am not at leisure to follow him in all his Harangues ; and his Wit and Buffoonry I despise too much to take notice of it ; and when it appears that a Man has discharged all his Artillery of Witticisms against his own Mistakes , he is witty at his own Cost too . He has made an Abstract or Summary ( as he calls it , P. 4. ) of my Sermon , but in his own Method , his own Words , and directly contrary to my Sense : That is , he has abstracted from every thing that is in the Sermon , that no Man living by his Abstract can tell what the Subject or Drift of the Sermon was , or any one Argument contained in it : I 'm sure I who made the Sermon , knew nothing of it but by mere guess , as I read it in his Abstract ; and would those Men who read these Remarks , be but so fair and honest as to read the Sermon too , there would need no other Answer . The First Branch of my Sermon in his Abstract ( P. 8. ) is this ; Philosophy and Reason are the only things which those Men adore , who would have no God at all . And what makes some Men Atheists and Infidels , even the Philosophick Tincture , and their adherence to Natural Reason , the same makes others to be Hereticks , that is , to be Arians , Socinians , and Pelagians . Now any one would think that this were one of the Heads of my Sermon ; which is so far from truth , that there is no such Proposition to be found there , but the contrary to this is to be found there in express words . In the first Page of my Sermon there are these words : What some Men call Philosophy and Reason ( and there is nothing so foolish and absurd which some Men will no call so ) is the only thing which those Men adore , who would either have no God , or a God and Religion of their own making . And what Attempts some have made to undermine all Religion , and others to corrupt and transform the whole Frame of the Christian Religion , upon a pretence of its contradicting Natural Reason and Philosophy , is too well known to need a Proof . And soon after ( P. 2. ) This vain Pretence to Reason and Philosophy ; the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the vain deceit in my Text , which is applicable to all vain spurious Philosophy , as well as Platonism , and is so meant by the Apostle . And P. 7. Truly that which makes some men Infidels , makes others Hereticks , that is , a vain Pretence to Philosophy . Now let any man judge , Whether this be to charge Atheism , Infidelity , and Heresy , upon Reason and Philosophy , or upon what some men call Reason and Philosophy , which may be very foolish and absurd ? Whether the Pretences of contradicting Reason and Philosophy , and the vain Pretences to Philosophy , signify Reason and Philosophy ? This is wilful Misrepresentation ; for it is impossible he should mistake , I having expresly distinguisht between these vain Pretences to Philosophy , and true Philosophy , ( p. 3. ) Whoever considers what an Enemy these vain Pretences to Philosophy have always been to Religion , will see need enough for this Caution ( of the Text. ) True Reason , and the true knowledge of Nature , which is true Philosophy , would certainly direct us to the acknowledgment and worship of that Supream Being , who made the World , and yet we know , there never was an Atheist without some pretence to Philosophy : Though it seems , as this Author tells us , ( p. 9. ) there has been an Arch-heretick , even Socinus himself without it ; and so may all his Disciples be too , and yet be vain Pretenders to Reason and Philosophy ; however , I am as Orthodox in this Point , as my Lord Bacon himself , whom he objects against me , whose Sense I exactly expressed , though not his Words . But nothing can more fully declare my sense in this particular , than what the Reader may find ( p. 10. ) 2dly . Let us now consider what great reason we have to reject all the vain Pretences to Reason and Philosophy , when opposed to a Divine Revelation . For that i● all the Apostle intends in this Caution , not to discourage the use of Reason , or the study of Philosophy , which are great improvements , and a delightful entertainment of Human Minds , and with a wise and prudent conduct may be very serviceable to Religion too ; but we must not set up any Conclusions in Philosophy against the Christian Faith ; nor corrupt the Faith with a mixture of Philosophy ; nor reject any Revealed Truths for want of Natural Ideas to conceive them by . Nothing can be plainer than this ; That I am very far from condemning the sober use of Reason and Philosophy , though with the Apostle , I will not allow them to oppose the Authority of a Divine Revelation . So that our Author need not be so terribly frighted , as if this Innocent Sermon were a designed revenge against the Oxford Heads , the Learning of the Place , and Philosophy it self , ( p. 1. ) ( though the Apostle indeed will not allow Philosophy alone to make Decrees in Articles of Faith ) ; here is no danger of setting up Folly and Falshood ( which would be to encroach upon his Province ) or of writing a second Moriae Encomium , or praise of Folly. Here is no danger , that the Articles of Faith should disagree with true Reason and Philosophy , though a vain appearance , a Socinian Philosophy , may contradict the Articles of Faith. Nay my Lord Mayor , and the Court of Aldermen , ( p. 9. ) notwithstanding this Sermon , may very safely send their Children to Cambridge or Oxford , if they get good Tutors for them , who will reach them no Socinian Logick or Philosophy : And which is more , we may confute Atheists and Infidels by Reason and Philosophy , ( p. 8. ) without being at the charge of buying a massy Quarto Bible , with Clasps , and Bosses , to knock'em down with : As he very wittily , and with great reverence to the Holy Scriptures , expresses it : For Reason and Philosophy may confute Atheists and Infidels , though they have no Authority to make or unmake Articles of Faith , as to matters of pure Revelation . Nay more than this still ( if it be possible to please him ) , we will allow Reason and Philosophy to confute Heresies , though not to judge absolutely in matters of Faith : Which I suppose is the reason , why , as he observes ( p. 9. ) Hereticks , many of them , are no less bitter against this same ( damnable ) Philosophy : They protest , especially in their Latin Works , that 't is this Philosophy that corrupted and debauched Divinity . Damnable is a very fashionable word , and shews him to be well bred , and to have good Acquaintance ; but it is a very great Truth , That though Catholick Christians would never build their Faith on Philosophy , yet Hereticks have always had great reason to rail at true Philosophy , as I observed in my Sermon ( p. 10. ) The importunity of Hereticks did very often engage the Catholick Fathers in Philosophical Disputes ; but this they did , not to explain the Christian Mysteries by Philosophy but only to shew , that as incomprehensible as these Mysteries are , the Philosophy of Hereticks , and their Objections against these Articles , were very absurd . And such Disputes as these may sometimes be absolutely necessary , and of great use to shame these vain Pretences to Philosophy , while we do not put the trial of our Faith upon this issue . And thus much for his first Proposition , ( for it is none of mine ) that Reason and Philosophy are the two Idols of Atheists and Hereticks , and that make Atheists to be Atheists , and Hereticks to be Hereticks , ( p. 12. ) His second Proposition ( Ibid. ) runs thus . That to ascertain the very and true Faith , we must attend only to that meaning of Scripture which the Words and Phrases do imply : Rejecting all mixture of Reason and Philosophy in our Disputes about Religion , and our Inquiries about the meaning of Scripture . Now let any Reader try , whether he can find any such Proposition as this in all my Sermon , either in words or sense . I could not for some time guess , what shadow of pretence he could have for charging such a Proposition on me : I did indeed in some principal Articles distinguish between Faith and Philosophy ; between what is revealed in Scripture , and what Philosophical Disputes , which the Scripture takes no notice of , have been raised about them , and warned all men from mixing and corrupting the Faith with Philosophy ; but does this forbid us Expounding Scripture agreeable to Reason and common Sense , and Philosophy too , where Sense , and Reason , and Philosophy , are proper judges ? They are not the supreme and absolute judges in matters of pure Revelation ; But does it hence follow , that they cannot judge of their proper Objects ? Do I any where say , That we must always expound the Scripture to a literal Sense ? That when Christ is called a Way , a Door , a Rock , we must understand this literally ? And yet this is plainly what he would have to be my Sense , as his beloved instance of Transubstantiation shews . In this Sermon I have given no Rules for Expounding Scripture , which in time I hope I may . But what I assert is this , That when by all those Methods which Wise Men observe in expounding any Writing , we have found out what the true sense of Scripture must be , we must not reject such Doctrines meerly because natural Reason cannot conceive or comprehend them . That Revelation as to such matters as are knowable only by Revelation , must serve instead of Sense , natural Ideas , and natural Reason , ( p. 11. ) This gives a plain Answer to all his Cant about Transubstantiation , from our Saviour's words , This is my Body , ( p. 12. ) For is there no way of knowing what is Bread , and what is Flesh , but by Revelation ? Is not this the proper object of Sense and Reason ? And then it does not come within my Rule ; for Sense and Reason must judge of their proper Objects , though Revelation must serve us instead of Sense and Reason , as to such matters as can be known only by Revelation ; that is , as I expresly add , we must upon the Authority of Revelation believe things which we do not see , things which we have no natural notion or conception of , things which are not evident to natural Reason : As for instance , If it be Revealed in Scripture that God has an Eternal Word , his Only-Begotten Son ; and that in time this Word was made Flesh and dwelt among us ; this Son of God became Man ; that God sent forth his Son made of a Woman , made under the Law : Though neither Sense nor natural Ideas , nor meer natural Reason , give us any notice of it ; yet if we will own a Revelation , we must believe it upon the sole Authority of Revelation : But though Revelation in such cases be Sense and Reason to us , because we have no other means of Knowledge ; yet Sense must judge of the natural Objects of Sense , and Reason of the Objects of natural Reason ; but Revelation was never intended to unteach us what Sense and natural Reason evidently teach , and therefore it cannot teach us , that Bread is Flesh , and Wine is Blood. But this Socinian is got so far towards Popery , that he will not allow Sense to be judge of this matter , whether the Bread be Transubstantiated or not , and that for a very pleasant Reason ; his words are these , ( p. 13. ) He cannot have recourse to Sense in the case , 't is only Reason and Philosophy can help him out : For though the Apostles , who saw and tasted that it was Bread only , and not Flesh , might have appealed also to their Senses ; yet we that never saw or tasted the Substance which Jesus gave then to the Disciples , can know by Reason and Philosophy only , by nothing else , that it was not his Flesh and Blood : That is , I can't know by Sense that Christ gave Bread and Wine , and not Flesh and Blood to his Disciples , because I did not See and Taste my self that very Substance that Christ gave to his Disciples : But can I judge by Sense that what I my self See and Taste in the Lords Supper , is Bread and Wine after Consecration , not Flesh and Blood ? For that is the Question between us and the Church of Rome ; not , whether we receive the same now which Christ gave to the Apostles in the first Institution ( which they take for granted , and to question which , is meer Scepticism ) but what that change is , which the words of Consecration make in the Elements to this day ; and if we cannot judge of this by Sense , the Church of Rome have a better Plea for themselves than I thought they had . And if I can't now judge by my own Senses what it was Christ gave to his Apostles , and what they Saw and Tasted , I fear it will much weaken some other very good Arguments against Transubstantiation . But how will this Socinian , who rejects the Evidence of Sense , confute Transubstantiation ? Why that is easily done by Reason and Philosophy ; as thus , The Text expresly says , it was Bread which he blessed and brake , and called it his Body ; therefore it was his Body in Sign and Signification , not in Reality . All this is Arguing , 't is Reason that convinces us , not Sense , that the Substance he divided to them was indeed Bread , not his Flesh , which he neither blessed nor brake . This is Reasoning indeed ; But did I ever reject Reasoning and Arguing about the meaning of Scripture Words and Phrases , and the true Sense and Interpretation of Scripture ? Is there no difference between Reasoning about the Sense of Scripture , and setting up the Conclusions of meer natural Reason and Philosophy against the plain and evident Doctrines of Scripture ? It is certain I made a manifest distinction between them , p. 9. In all these cases we are concerned to enquire what the true sense of the Article is ; for this the Scripture teaches , and so far our Faith is concerned , and these are not only justifiable , but necessary Disputes , if the true Faith be necessary . And such were the Disputes of the Catholick Fathers with the Sabellian , Arian , and Photinian Hereticks , &c. So that I allow of Arguing and Reasoning as much as he does ; and add , But that which we are to beware of , is not to mix Philosophy with our Faith , nor to admit of any meer Philosophical Objections against the Faith , nor to attempt any Explication of these Mysteries , beyond what the Scriptures and the Faith and Practice of the Catholick Church will justify . This distinction he knew very well , but very honestly dissembles it , and endeavours to impose upon his Readers , as if Reasoning and Arguing about the Sense of Scripture , and resolving our Faith into meer natural Reason and Philosophy , were the same thing . He was aware what Answer would be given to this , and therefore in the very next Paragraph he confutes his own Reasoning from Scripture , and proves that the Text does not confute Transubstantiation : But if our Preacher , says he , believes it was only Bread , because the Text it self calls it Bread ( which was his own Argument ) , let him consider , that seeing what was called Bread before Christ blessed it , after the blessing he calls it his Body ; we cannot know by Sense or by the Text , but by Reason and Philosophy only , that it was not changed ( by the blessing ) into what now he calls it , namely , his Body . But if This signifies Bread , then . This is my Body , signifies , This Bread is my Body ; and if Bread be his Body , then his Sacramental Body is not Flesh : But I do not intend to dispute this Point with him , but only observe , That to set up his Reason and Philosophy to be absolute Judges in Matters of Faith , he will not allow either Sense or Scripture to confute Transubstantiation . It cannot but give all sober Christians a just Indignation , to see the most Sacred and Venerable Mysteries perpetually ridicul'd at this Prophane rate ! In the Reign of King James there was a Pamphlet published to reconcile men to Transubstantiation , by representing the Doctrine of the Trinity to the full as absurd , and chargeable with as many Contradictions as Transubstantiation it self : This was then charged on the Papists , and they were sufficiently expos'd for it ; but a Great Man has lately informed us , That it was writ by a Socinian , to make men Papists or Socinians , as it should happen ; which was a Glorious Design at that time of day , for men who take it ill if you will not allow them to be Protestants , and to enjoy the Liberty of Protestants : For they could not but see that Popery was then grown very Fashionable and Tempting by the Favour and Frowns of a Popish Prince ; and that the generality of Christians did so firmly believe the Doctrine of the Trinity , that could they have persuaded them , as they endeavoured , That Transubstantiation was as reasonable a Doctrine as the Trinity , it was much more likely that they would turn Papists than Socinians . Instead of Popery men are now running into the other Extremes of Atheism , Deism , and a Contempt of all Reveal'd Religion , and that upon a pretence of making mere Natural Reason and Philosophy their sole Guide and Judge ; and now our Socinians have a new Game to play ; and if they dare not absolutely deny the Authority of Revelation ( which in many Instances they have shewn a good Inclination to ) , yet they give a superior Authority to Reason , which will serve as well , and make less noise than to reject all Revelation . And if you shew them how absurd this is , to pretend to own a Divine Revelation , and to make Revelation submit to mere Natural Reason and Philosophy , they presently take sanctuary in Transubstantiation , and defend it against the Evidence of Sense , and the Authority of Scripture , to make Reason and Philosophy the Supreme Judge in Matters of Faith ; and in the mean time matter not what becomes of Religion , what advantage they give either to Popery or Deism , so they can but expose the Faith of the Trinity . He has given us a little Specimen of it here ; but the same Author , as far as I can guess from the same Words and the same Thoughts , has with his usual Civility attack'd my Lord Bishop of Sarum upon this Argument , which upon this occasion I shall briefly consider . His Lordship in vindication of the Christian Mysteries , with great reason rejects Transubstantiation out of the number of Mysteries , because it contradicts Sense in the Object of Sense ; his words are these : Transubstantiation must not be a Mystery , because there is against it the Evidence of Sense in an Object of Sense : For Sense plainly represents to us the Bread and Wine to be still the same that they were before the Consecration . Now I cannot think this Author in earnest in the two first Answers he gives to this . His first Answer is , That it is not pretended by the Papists , that the Bread and Wine have received any the least Change in what is an Object of Sense . This is a Discovery worthy its Author , that the Papists don 't deny that they see , and feel , and taste , and smell the sensible Qualities of Bread and Wine : For who ever charged them with such a Contradiction to Sense as this ? But our Senses judge of the Substances of things by their sensible qualities ; judge that to be Bread and Wine , which has all the qualities of Bread and Wine : And therefore to say , as the Papists do , That what our Sight , and Taste , and Smell tell us has all the qualities of Bread and Wine , is not Bread and Wine , does not indeed contradict our Senses as to sensible qualities , but contradicts that Judgment our Senses make of the Natures of things from their sensible qualities : And this is that Contradiction to Sense which the Bishop justly charges upon Transubstantiation ; as is evident in his very words . In his Second Answer he Disputes against the Infallibility of our Senses , as he calls it , by such Common Arguments as every Freshman knows how to Answer ; only I do not remember , that the Delusions of our Dreams used to be objected against the Evidence of Sense ; but suppose our Senses may deceive us in some few instances wherein both Sense and Reason can Correct the mistake , must they therefore deceive in the Nature of Bread and Wine ? Can he prove , that they ever deceive us with Qualities and Accidents without a Substance ? For that is the Cheat of Transubstantiation : It is not pretended , as he observed in his First Answer , That our Senses deceive us in the Colour , or Figure , or Taste , or Smell of Bread and Wine ; and therefore all his instances of the Deception of our Senses are nothing to the purpose ; but let him give us any one instance of the other kind , if he can , and then we will believe Transubstantiation in Contradiction to our Senses . But does he consider , what the Consequence of this Argument is ? He will not allow it a good Argument against Transubstantiation , That it contradicts Sense , because our Senses may deceive us in the Objects of Sense ( which by the way makes his instance of the Delusions of Dreams , which are not the Objects of Sense , very impertinent ; ) now if contradiction to Sense be not a good Objection , because Sense is not Infallible , what will become of his great Argument of Contradiction to Reason ? For all men confess , That Reason is not so Infallible as Sense is , as is evident from all the Disputes and Clashings of Reason , and those Absurdities and Contradictions which contending Parties mutually charge upon each other ; and if a Contradiction to Fallible Sense be not a good Objection against the Truth of any thing , how comes a Contradiction to much more Fallible Reason to be so unanswerable an Objection ? And then we may much more safely believe a Trinity in Unity , notwithstanding all their pretended Contradictions to Reason , than we can believe Transubstantiation in Contradiction to Sense . But in his Third Answer , he seems to be in good earnest , and I shall consider it as such ; and it is this . Transubstantiation is contradicted by Sense , saith his Lordship , in an Object of Sense ; therefore 't is a false Mystery . This is as much as to say , That a Faculty or Power judging of its proper Object , always judges truly , and must determine our Belief . He must say this , or his Reasoning is nothing . I ask now of what Faculty or Power is Almighty God the Object . He will Answer , God is the Object , not of Sense , which discerns him not , but of Reason , which discovers , and sees this most Glorious Being . Therefore Reason , by his Lordship 's own Argument , judges infallibly concerning God , and must determine our Belief about him : We must hearken to Reason , when it finds Contradictions in what men affirm concerning God. Now notwithstanding his vain Brags , and his Triumphant Challenge to the Bishop , a very little Skill will Answer this Argument . For , 1. The Bishop need not say , because it is not true , That every Faculty and Power judges as certainly of its proper Object , as Sense does , and then his Argument is quite lost : For if Sense judges more certainly than Reason , then a manifest Contradiction to Sense is a more unanswerable Objection , than any appearing and pretended Contradictions to Reason . I believe this Author is the first man who ever thus universally equalled the Evidence of Reason to that of Sense ; or that ever affirmed , that Reason could judge infallibly of God. And if Reason may be mistaken ( which I shall take for granted ) especially in the Infinite and Incomprehensible Nature of God , some appearing Contradictions , or what some men will call Contradictions , are not a sufficient reason to reject a Revelation , and to disbelieve what God tells us of Himself , and his own Nature . 2 dly . Whatever certainty we allow to our Faculties in judging of their proper Objects , we must extend it no farther than to what belongs to the judgment of that Faculty : The same thing may be the Object of different Faculties , as it is of our different Senses ; but every Faculty , and every Sense , judges of nothing in any Object , but only what belongs to it self . All the Objects of Sense are the Objects of Reason too ; but Sense judges of nothing but what belongs to Sense , and Reason of what belongs to Reason ; and Reason can judge no farther of any Object , than it is knowable by Reason ; and not only the Divine , but even Created Nature has such Secrets and Mysteries as are not knowable by Reason ; and therefore it is manifest Ignorance or Sophistry , to conclude from God's being the Object of Reason , therefore Reason judges infallibly concerning God : For , not to Dispute about the Infallible Judgment of Reason , God is the Object of Reason , because Reason can know something concerning God ; but God can be the Object of Reason no farther than he is knowable by Reason ; and therefore if there be any thing which Natural Reason cannot know of God ( as I hope this Author himself will own ) , with respect to such matters God is not the Object of Reason , and Reason cannot judge at all , much less judge infallibly concerning God. But as Sense leaves room for Reason in the same Object , so Reason leaves room for Faith. But must we not hearken to Reason when it finds Contradictions in what men affirm concerning God ? Yes , most certainly , as far as God is the Object of Reason , and knowable by Reason , but no farther ; for in such matters as Reason cannot judge of at all , it cannot judge of Contradictions . Sense and Reason can judge of Contradictions only for themselves , or as far as their judgment reaches , but may appear Contradictions themselves to each other . As for instance : Reason assures us that Man consists of Soul and Body , which are closely united to each other , and yet the Union of Spirit and Matter is no better than contradiction to the judgment of Sense ; for Sense knows no Union but by Contact , nor any Contact but between Bodies , which have extended and solid Parts , that can touch each other ; so that an Union without Contact is one contradiction to the judgment of Sense , and a Contact without extended solid parts , which a Spirit has not , is another ; and yet Reason does not matter these Contradictions to the judgment of Sense , because Sense is not the Judge of such things : And it is the same Case between Reason and Faith , which receives its information from a Divine Revelation , concerning such Matters as are not knowable by Natural Reason : should Reason contradict Faith in such Matters as Reason is no Judge of , this is no more an Objection against the Superior Evidence and Authority of Faith , than the Judgment of Sense is against the Evidence of Reason ; such Contradictions are not in the nature of things , but are owing to our ignorance of Nature , and presumption in judging of what we cannot understand . The Example he gives of such a contradiction to Reason , is a Trinity of Persons , every one of which is perfect God , and yet all of them but One God ; but for my life , I cannot see this plain Contradiction , That Three Persons , each of which has all the Perfections of Divinity , and is perfect God , should be so essentially united in the s●me One Eternal and Infinite Nature , as to be but One God. This is not a Contradiction in terminis , it is not Three Persons and but One Person , or Three Gods and but One God , but Three Divine Persons , and One God. If the Unity of the Godhead consisted in the Unity of a Person , I grant it would be a flat Contradiction to say , Three Persons and One God , which would be equivalent to Three Gods and One God ; but if the Unity of the Godhead consists in the Unity of Nature , that there is but One Eternal and Infinite Nature , which is the One God , and this Unity , and Identity of Nature be perfectly and entirely preserved in Three Divine Persons , it is so far from a Contradiction to say , That Three Persons are One God , that it would be a Contradiction to say , That Three Divine Persons , who have the same One Identical Nature , should be more than One God ; for that is to say , That One Divine Nature , which can be but One God , is Three Gods. Now this is all that Natural Reason tells us of the Unity of the Godhead , That there is , and can be , but One Eternal Infinite Nature , which is but One God ; this we expresly teach , and therefore do not contradict Reason ; but then Scripture tells us , That there are Three , Father , Son , and Holy Ghost , to whom the Name and Attributes of God , and therefore this One Infinite Undivided Nature , belong . This Reason boggles at , and Socinians call a Contradiction ; but it is such a Contradiction , as Sense would judge the Union of Spirit and Matter to be : At most it is an imaginary Contradiction in the Subsistence of the Divine Nature , which Reason knows nothing about , and therefore can make no judgment of ; and such appearing-Contradictions are no Objections , because they may be no Contradictions ; as we are sure they are none , when the Doctrines charged with these Contradictions are taught in Scripture . There is one distinction , which seems to me to set this matter in a clear light , and to answer all the Pretences of Contradictions ; and that is , The distinction between Contradictions in Logick and Philosophy . A Contradiction in Logick , is when two Propositions in express terms contradict each other ; and all men grant that both parts of such Contradictions cannot be true , as that there are Three Gods , and but One God , which is to say , that there are , and that there are not Three Gods ; that there is , and that there is not , but One only God. A Contradiction in Philosophy , is when any thing is affirmed concerning the Nature or Essential Properties of any Being , which seems to contradict all the Notions and Ideas we have of Nature in other Beings , and such Contradictions as these may be both true ; for the Natures of things may be contrary to , and contradict each other and yet both of them be true and real Beings . There are infinite Instances of this in all Nature ; the Ideas of Hot and Cold , of White and Black , of Light and Darkness , of solid and fluid Bodies , of Matter and Spirit , are direct Contradictions , in this notion of a Contradiction , to each other : And had we known but one of these Opposites by our Natural Ideas , and the other had been revealed to us , we might as justly have cried out of Contradictions , as the Socinians now do , when you mention a Trinity of Persons in the Unity of the Divine Nature . For Heat contradicts the Idea of Cold , and Fluid of Solid ; as much as Three Persons in the Unity of Nature , contradicts the Unity of Nature in the Unity of a Person : This latter indeed is the natural notion we have , That there is but One Person in One Subsisting Intelligent Nature ; for we have no example of any thing else , and therefore can have no natural Idea of any other Unity ; but this does not prove , that it cannot be otherwise ; for there may be Oppositions and Contrarieties in Nature ; and did we but consider what an infinite distance and unlikeness there is between God and Creatures , we should not think it reasonable to judge of the Divine Nature by the Ideas of Created Nature . This is a very real and sensible distinction between Contradictions in Logick , and in Nature and Philosophy , and there is a certain way to know them : Logical Contradictions are always immediately reducible to is , and is not ; for they affirm and deny the same thing in the same sence : The Contradictions in Nature and Philosophy are only the opposition and contrariety there is between the Ideas of several Beings , which can never be reduced to a Contradiction in Logick , but through Ignorance or Mistake , by changing the sense and use of words . Let any Socinian try the Experiment in the Doctrine of the Trinity in Unity , and reduce it to such a Contradiction if he can . A Trinity of Persons in the Unity of the Divine Nature , is a Contradiction to that Idea we have of the Unity of Person and Nature in created Beings , but this is no Contradiction in Logick ; for it is not a Contradiction in the same Nature and Being , as all Contradictions in Logick must be , but it is a Contrariety or Contradiction ( if we will so call it ) between the Unity and Personalities of two very different Natures , the Divine and the Created Nature ; and all the Contradiction that can be made of it , is no more than this , That the Unity of the Divine Nature , which is perfect and undivided in Three distinct Persons , contradicts the Notion of Unity in a Created Nature , which admits but of One Person in One Individual Nature : But there are a thousand such Contradictions in Nature , that is , different Natures , whose Ideas are opposite and contrary to each other , and yet all of them real Beings : But could they make a Trinity in Unity contradict it self , that the Trinity should in express terms destroy the Unity , and the Unity the Trinity , this would be somewhat to the purpose ; for it would prove a Contradiction in Logick , when the Terms destroy each other ; but then the Trinity and Unity must be the same ; a Trinity of Persons , and but One Person ; or a Trinity of Natures , and but one Nature : But a Trinity of Persons , true , proper , subsisting Persons , in the Unity of Nature , which is the Catholick Faith , is not a Contradiction in Logick , though it contradicts the Notion of Human Personalities , which it may do , and yet be very true . This is abundantly enough to shew the Weakness and Folly of this Socinian Cant about Transubstantiation ; the Impiety , Prophaneness , and mischievous Consequences of it , let others consider . His Third Charge is , That I say , That as we are Christians , and unless we will be understood to reject the Supreme Authority of Divine Revelation , we must believe those Doctrines which are thought to be most mysterious and inconceivable , notwithstanding any Objection from Reason or from Philosophy against ' em . He that believes no farther than Natural Reason approves , believes his Reason , not the Revelation ; he is a Natural Philosopher , not a Believer . He believes the Scriptures as he would believe Plato or Tully , not as Inspired Writings , but as agreeable to Reason , and as the result of wise and deep Thoughts , p. 14. Here he has taken some of my Words , and so put them together , as to conceal the whole Force of the Argument , which he always takes care to do . My business ( P. 10 , 11 , &c. ) was to prove , That we ought to believe those Doctrines which are thought the most mysterious and inconceivable , notwithstanding any Objections from Natural Reason and Philosophy against them : And this I proved from the Nature , Use , and Authority of Revelation . That Revelation , as to such matters as are knowable only by Revelation , must serve instead of Sense , Natural Ideas , and Natural Reason . That if we believe upon God's Authority ( which is the strict Notion of a Divine Faith ) we must believe without any Natural Evidence , merely because God has revealed it ; and then we must believe such things as are not evident to Sense and Reason . That to believe no farther than Natural Reason can conceive and comprehend , is to reject the Divine Authority of Revelation , and to destroy the distinction between Reason and Faith. He that will believe no farther than his Reason approves , believes his Reason , not the Revelation , and is in truth a Natural Philosopher , not a Believer . Here any man may perceive that our Socinian was plainly baffled , for he has not one word to answer , but only says , that I contradict this my self in my Vindication of the Doctrine of the Trinity , where I assert , That suppose the natural Construction of the Words of Scripture import such a Sense as is contrary to some evident Principle of Reason , I won't believe it : Of this more presently ; but what is this to the purpose ? Is there no difference between what Reason can't conceive , comprehend , approve , and what the Reason of all Mankind contradicts ? No difference between believing what we do not see , what we have no natural notion or conception of , what is not evident to natural Reason , and believing in contradiction to sense , and such natural Notions , and natural Evidence , as all Mankind agree in ? But he is very much troubled , according to his Principle of believing Scripture no farther than Natural Reason and Philosophy approves , how to distinguish between believing Plato and Tully , and believing a Revelation . He says , They look upon Plato and Tully , as great Men , but Fallible ( p. 15. ) and therefore may take the liberty to dissent from them ; and believe them no farther than Reason approves : Very right ; but will he believe the Scripture any farther than Reason can conceive , comprehend , approve ? Have a care of that : But they will do as well ; if Reason will not approve of such Scripture Doctrines , as it can't conceive and comprehend , they will Expound and Torture Scripture , till it submits to Reason : For it is more congruous to think , that an Inspired Writer uses a Figurative , or it may be a Catachrestical ( very Catachrestical ) Expression or Phrase , than that he delivers flat contradictions , or downright impossibilities : That is to say , they must by all means believe , or pretend to believe , the Scripture ; but then they must never own any thing to be in Scripture , which their Reason calls a flat contradiction , or downright impossibility ; which is the very same thing ; for the reason why they will not allow , that the Scripture contains any thing , which their Reason does not approve , is because they must believe the Scripture , but must not believe it beyond their own Reason and Comprehension ; and the only difference they make between Plato and Tully , and the Scripture is , That they can safely reject their Authority , when they please , but must be at the trouble of Expounding away whatever they do not approve in the Scripture . This is what I told them in the Vindication ; and as Impious as this Author thinks it , I will venture to Transcribe that whole Paragraph . But I have not done with our Author thus ; but must give him a little more about Expounding Scripture according to Reason : For I affirm , that Natural Reason is not the Rule and Measure of Expounding Scripture , no more than it is of Expounding any other Writing . The true and only way to interpret any Writing , even the Scriptures themselves , is to examine the use and propriety of Words and Phrases ; the Connexion , Scope , and Design of the Text , its allusion to Ancient Customs and Usages , or Disputes , &c. For there is no other good reason to be given for any Exposition , but that the words signify so , and the circumstances of the place , and apparent Scope of the Writer requires it . But our Author ( as many others do ) seems to confound the Reasons of believing any Doctrine , with the Rules of Expounding a Writing . We must believe nothing that contradicts the plain and express Dictate of Natural Reason , which all Mankind agree in , whatever pretence of Revelation there be for it ; Well , say they , then you must Expound Scripture so as to make it agree with the necessary Principles and Dictates of Reason : No , say I , that does not follow ; I must Expound Scripture according to the use and significations of the Words ; and must not force my own Sense on it , if it will not bear it . But suppose then , that the Natural Construction of the words import such a sense as is contrary to some evident Principle of Reason ; Then I wont believe it . How ? Not believe Scripture ? No , no. I will believe no pretended Revelation , which contradicts the plain Dictates of Reason , which all Mankind agree in ; and were I persuaded , that those Books , which we call the Holy Scriptures , did so , I wou'd not believe them ; and this is a fairer and honester way , than to force them to speak , what they never intended , and what every impartial man , who reads them , must think was never intended that we may believe them : To put our own Sense on Scripture , without respect to the use of words , and to the Reason and Scope of the Text , is not to believe Scripture , but to teach it to speak our Language ; is not to submit to the Authority of Scripture , but to make Scripture submit to our Reason , even in such matters as are confessedly above Reason , as the Infinite Nature and Essence of God is . Though I am never so well assured of the Divine Authority of any Book , yet I must Expound it , as I do other Writings ; for when God vouchsafes to speak to us in our own Language , we must understand his words , just as we do , when they are spoke by men : Indeed when I am sure that it is an Inspired Writing , I lay it down for a Principle , That it contains nothing absurd and contradictions or repugnant to the received Principles of Natural Reason ; but this does not give me Authority to Expound the words of Scripture to any other sense , than what they will naturally bear , to reconcile them with such Notions as I call reason ; for if one man has this liberty , another may take it , and the Scripture will be tuned to every man's private Conceit ; and therefore in case the plain sense of Scripture contradicts those Notions I have of things , if it be possible to be true , I submit to the Authority of Scripture ; if it seems to include a Contradiction and Impossibility , if that Contradiction be not plain and notorious , and in such matters , as I am sure , I perfectly understand , there I submit again , and conclude it is no Contradiction , though I cannot comprehend how it is ; if I can by no means reconcile it , I will confess , I do not understand it , and will not pretend to give any sense of it , much less to give such a sense of it , as the words will not bear . His Fourth Charge is , that I say , Difficulty of conceiving a thing , nay , the absolute unconceivableness of it , must not hinder our assent to what is contained in Revelation ; because we do not disbelieve what is made known to us by Sense or by Reason , notwithstanding any difficulty or inconceivableness adhering to such things . These are neither my Words nor my Argument . My Argument is this ; That since , as I had shewn , in matters of pure Revelation , which can be known no other way , Revelation must stand in the place of Sense and Reason , we must allow no Objections against revealed Mysteries , but what we will allow to be good Objections against Sense and Reason . Now no man questions the truth of what he sees and feels , or what he can prove to be true by plain and undeniable Reason , meerly because there are unconceivable difficulties in it , as there is in every thing , even the most certain and familiar things in Nature : And if revealed Truths are not more unconceivable than many Natural Objects of Sense and Reason , why should their being unconceivable be a greater Objection against believing a Revelation , than it is against believing our Sense and Reason in matters equally unconceivable ? ( Serm. p. 13. ) This Argument is easily understood , but can never be Answered ; and therefore he wisely resolved not to understand it . In Answer to this he tells us , That he does not always believe his Senses , nor his Reason neither , when it is not clear , but perplext with difficulties , or darkening doubts , but especially when there is a remarkable and manifest inconceivableness . Nor do I require he should ; but my only Question is , Whether he does not believe , both his Senses and Reason , that there are many things in the World , whose Natures are so mysterious , that he cannot conceive or comprehend the Reasons and Philosophy of them ? That though he sees Men and Beasts , Heaven and Earth , Sun , Moon , and Stars , he will not believe , that there are such things as he sees , because he cannot understand the Philosophy of their Natures , and sees a great many things done by them , which are perfectly unaccountable , and would have been thought absolutely impossible , had we not seen them done ? These are all the contradictions and impossibilities , which I say men may make or find , when they know not the Philosophical Natures of things , nor how they act , and yet will be reasoning and guessing at them ; which this wise Author calls a Sermon for Contradictions . But do I require any man to believe Contradictions ? Nay , do I say , that there are any such Contradictions ? But this , I say , that there are such unconceivable Mysteries , in all Created Nature , much more in the Incomprehensible Nature of God , as some Gotham Philosophers ( as he who knows them best calls them ) charge with impossibilities and contradictions ; and yet these Gotham Philosophers are so wise as not to disbelieve their Senses as to the being of those things , how unconceivable and incomprehensible soever their natures are ; and this is all I ask , that in matters of pure Revelation we give the same credit to Revelation , that in the Objects of sense we give to sense , i. e. not to disbelieve what is revealed , As , that God has an Eternal Son , and that this Eternal Son in time was made Man , because the Eternal Generation and Incarnation are inconceivable Mysteries ; as we do not disbelieve , that there are any Men in the World , because Human Generations , and the Union of Soul and Body are inconceivable Mysteries in Nature . Towards the Conclusion of my Sermon , I Answered Two Objections against believing a Revelation as to such Doctrines which are inconceivable and incomprehensible to meer Natural Reason . And here to prepare the way , he first scorns the Objections , as never made before , or however by none but my self . That I pass over known and very dangerous Objections , and Answer only to Chimera's and Follies , never suggested or thought of by any . ( p. 18. ) I am glad to find , that he grows ashamed of these Socinian Chimera's and Follies ; but let us hear what they are . 1. It is thought very unnatural , that when God has made us reasonable Creatures , and therefore made natural Reason to us the measure of truth and falshood , he should require us to believe without Reason , as we must do , if he reveal such things to us , as we do not , and cannot possibly know the reasons of : If we must believe with our understanding , how can we believe things , which we cannot understand ? Now this Socinian does not believe , that any Sect of Religious ever made this or the like Objection ; Let him , as he says , snuff his Candle once more , and look into the late Socinian Pamphlets : What is the meaning of all their Zeal for Reason in this Cause , of their great noise and outcry about Mysteries , Nonsense , Contradictions ? What is the meaning of their Expounding Scripture by Reason , not like Fools , but like Wise men ? Why has this Author shewn such a furious Zeal against believing a Revelation notwithstanding any Objections from meer Natural Reason and Philosophy against it ? If , as he now says , our Reason and Understandings are finite and imperfect , and the Wisdom and Power of God most perfect : Therefore he may reveal many things to us , to be believed by us , though we understand them not , nor have any other cause of our believing them , but only God's Revelation of them , ( p. 19. ) Nothing can be more true , than what he says , that Reason is the measure of truth and falshood , but not the frail Fallible Reason of Men , but the Infallible Wisdom of God. If he be sincere and hearty in this , we are perfectly agreed ; for this is the very Doctrine of my Sermon , which he has so furiously opposed , or would be thought to oppose ; for to speak the Truth , he has not opposed the Doctrine of my Sermon ; but , in his own Language , his own Chimera's and Follies . But here is either a Fallacy in his Words , or he gives up his Cause , which it is plain he never intended : The Question is not absolutely , What is the Rule and Measure of Truth and Falshood , but what is so to us ? Now if he will allow , that Frail and Fallible Reason is not a Rule to us , then we may believe things , which our Reason does not approve ; nay , which it may judge improbable and false : And if the infallible Wisdom of God be a Rule to us , it can be so only in a Revelation , and then we may and must believe the infallible Wisdom of God in a Revelation against the Objections of Frail and Fallible Reason . And one may easily guess , there is something amiss still , notwithstanding all these concessions ; for as silly an Objection , as he says , this is ( which I am glad to hear ) , he will by no means own , that I have Answered it , and then I have very ill luck indeed , to make a silly Objection , which was never made before , and not be able to Answer it when I have done . The Answer I give to this Objection is this , That the Matter of the Objection is not true ; for we do understand both what it is we believe , and the reasons why we believe it ; and this I suppose may pass for an Answer to that Objection : But then it is farther Objected , That we believe such things , whose Natures we cannot understand , and cannot account for by natural Reason : To this I Answer , That Reason is not the judge of the Nature and Phil●sophy of things , nor does it require us to believe nothing but what we thus understand and comprehend : For then , as I had shewn , we must no more believe Sense and Reason , than Revelation : And this I take to be a good Answer too ; but then to shew the reason of this , I add : When we make an Objection against any thing , that it is without Reason , or as we apprehend , contrary to reason , we must first consider , whether it be the proper Object of Reason ; otherwise it is no Objection ; as it is no Objection against sounds , that we cannot see them , nor against colours , that we cannot hear them ; because sounds are not the object of sight , nor colours of hearing . This , I think , is plain Sense , and good Reason too ; but this he says is no Answer to that Objection , Why should reasonable Creatures be obliged to believe things without Reason ? Nor was it ever intended as an immediate Answer to it ; the Answer I give is , That we are not oblig'd to believe without Reason ; but when such Men as this Author Object farther , That to Believe things , whose natures we do not understand , and cannot account for by natural Reason , is to believe without Reason ; it is a proper Answer to say , That Reason is not judge of the Nature and Philosophy of things , and nothing can be said to be without Reason , or against Reason , which is not the object of Reason ; as no man pretends , that the pure Natures and ●ssences of things , or their Essential Reasons , Properties , Unions , Operations , are ; ( Serm. p. 19. ) But herein , it seems , I was mistaken ; for I have met with a Man at last , who makes Reason the judge of all this ; for if these be not the Objects of Reason , Reason has no Object at all ; for our Reason can be no otherwise employed , but either about Substances , or their Unions , Essential Reasons , Operations or Properties , ( p. 20. ) Very right ! we may know something of all this ; but I speak of the Philosophy of Nature : Now can this new Philosopher tell us , What the pure simple Essence and Substance of any thing is ? What naked Matter stripp'd of all Accidents and Qualities is ? How Soul and Body are United , which cannot Touch each other ? How a Spirit should feel Pain or Pleasures from the Impressions on the Body ? How we Think and Reason ? Nay , How we See and Hear ? How Thought moves our Bodies , and excites our Passions ? And a Thousand such like Mysteries ; which could he Unriddle , he would infinitely gratify the Inquisitive world : But Christianity not Mysterious , and the Philosophy of pure simple Nature , are too great Discoveries for one Age ; and yet if ever this happens , they must go together . For as I observed , this is all the incomprehensibility men have to complain of in the Doctrine of the Trinity and Incarnation : The first concerns the pure Nature , Essence , Substance , of God , and the Essential Distinction and Unity of the Godhead , which we neither do , nor can know any thing of ; for all Nature is a Secret and Mystery to us , much more the Infinite Nature of God. And the second concerns the Union of the Divine and Human Nature in the Person of Christ ; which is a Mystery , but what we ought not to complain of , since the Philosophy of all Natural Unions is a Mystery to us . These things are not the Objects of Reason ; and therefore though we believe them upon the Authority of a Revelation , without understanding the Mystery of them , this is not to believe without , or contrary to Reason . And what now does this Socinian say to this ? truly not one word , but falls out with Socinus and Crellius , and some of his best Friends , for talking so much of Mysteries , ( which by the way shews , that this is not such a new and unheard of Objection , as he would pretend ) for now he has found out , that there is no Mystery at all in the Doctrines of the Trinity , and Incarnation ; and he is in the right , if his Socinian Explication of these Doctrines , ( which destroys the Mystery , and the Catholick Faith together ) may pass for the Doctrine of the Church . But there has been enough said of that in the distinction between Real and Nominal Trinitarians examined , which the Reader may consult , and this Author answer , at his leisure ; though I am very sensible he can never want such Answers as this for any thing . 2 dly , The Second Objection against such a Revelation , as contains matters which natural Reason cannot comprehend , is , to what purpose such a Revelation serves ? what merit there can be in believing such Doctrines ? and of what good use such a Faith can be to us ? Serm. p. 2● . This is another Objection , which he thinks no Sect of Religious ever made ( p. 24. ) but the Irreligious m●y make this Objection , and there are more than one Sect of these . As to the usefulness of it , I observed , That though neither Natural , nor Revealed Knowledge extends to the Reasons and Causes of Nature , and of Essential Properties and Operations , yet both Natural and Revealed Knowledge is of as much use to us , as if we did perfectly understand all the Secret and Incomprehensible Mysteries of the Nature of God , or of the Natures of Creatures . Both Natural and Revealed Knowledge are alike upon this account , that they only acquaint us what things are , and what ends they serve , and then we know what use to make of them , without understanding the Secret Mysteries of Nature . This I shew'd both in the Knowledge of Nature , and of God , and added ; We may make all the use that can be made of this World , and of every thing in it , without understanding the Essential Reasons and Causes , or Internal Nature of any thing . This last Clause he fixes his Remarks on ; and that he may have something to remark , he changes my Words thus . We may use the World as fully , and every thing in it to as good purpose , as if we understood the Reasons and Internal Natures of things . And then adds , No , Trisler ; not so fully , nor to so good purpose , as if we better understood the Natures of things . Now this fully , and to as good purpose , are not my Words but his own ; nay we can make no use at all of it , but only so far forth as we understand the Nature and Reasons of things in it . We can use nothing to any purpose , till we know or understand something of its nature ; and no farther can we apply it and use it , than we understand its Nature , and know its Properties and Powers . Now this is not meerly trifling , but Knavery : He represents me very ridiculously asserting , That we may as fully , and to as good purpose use every thing in the World without knowing its Nature , Vertues and Properties , as if we knew them ; whereas I expresly assert , That we must first know , what things are , and what ends they serve ( and the better we know this , to be sure the better ) and then we know what use to make of them , without understanding the secret Mysteries of Nature . That is , when by Experience and Observation , we know what things are good for , we know how to use them without understanding the secret Mysteries and Philosophy of Nature : As how God created all things out of nothing ; how the Corn grows , or our Food nourishes us , and the like : And thus I shew'd it was as to the Doctrine of the Trinity , and Incarnation , that how unaccountable soever these Mysteries be , it is the most useful and necessary Knowledge in the world . But there is one thing still behind , which I find nettles this Author ; and I don't wonder at it : To shew how much it became the Goodness of God to reveal these Mysteries of Salvati●n to us , I observed , That the lapsed state of Human Nature makes Supernatural Knowledge necessary : — For though Natural Knowledge must be allowed sufficient to all the ends of Human Life , while man continued Innocent — Yet when man had sinned , he forfeited the Favour of God , and a natural Immortality ; and whether he should be restored or not , and by what means he should be restored , depended wholly on the Sovereign Will and Pleasure of God. And therefore the Light of Nature , though it could direct an innocent man how to please and worship God , and to preserve himself Immortal , it could not teach Sinners how to make Attonement for Sin ; nor give them any certain Hopes that God would for●ive sins , and bestow immortal Life on them : Which makes it necessary , that the Religion of a Sinner be a Revealed Religion . This he imperfectly transcribes , and adds ; True , but not in the least to the purpose : 'T is no Answer to that Objection , but to another : Namely to this ; Why Revelation or a ●upernatural Knowledge is necessary ? Here he had overshot himself , in allowing Supernatural Knowledge necessary , and therefore immediately qualifies it with , or however highly requisite , which declares this Socinian's Opinion , That we might have been saved without the Knowledge of Christ or the Gospel-Revelation ; for I know nothing that can make any thing more necessary , than the necessity of ●alvation : And therefore if it be not necessary , but only highly requisite , we might be saved without it : He adds the Reason why he says this is nothing to the purpose . The Obje●tion was concerning a Revelation and Faith , not intelligible , or not conceiveable ; the Answer is only concerning Revelation or Supernatural Knowledge ) in general , Why it was given to men . But it is neither so , nor so ; the Objection concerns the use of such a Revelation as contains matters which Natural Reason cannot comprehend ; This part of the Answer proves from the lapsed state of Human Nature the absolute Necessity of the Gospel Revelation , which contains these Mysteries . For if Nature can't save us , it can't discover to us the way of Salvation neither ; and if we must be saved by a Supernatural Grace and Power , it must be supernaturally revealed ; and what is Supernatural is the Object of Faith , not of Natural Knowledge . Serm. p. 24. But he adds , There is a great difference between Supernaturally revealed , and unconceivable ; the whole Christian Religion , the Precepts as well as Faith of it , is a Supernatural Revelation , and yet a System so intelligible that it must be taught to the Women , to the Poor , and ●ven to little Children . This is true , but there is a difference between Supernatural Knowledge , as opposed to Natural Knowledge , and Supernatural Revelation : Such things as Nature can teach us , may be supernaturally revealed , and the degeneracy of Mankind may make this , in his Language , highly requisite ; as the Nature and Providence of God , a future State , and the differences of Good and Evil : But Supernatural Knowledge is a Knowledge which Nature cannot teach , but must be learned only by Revelation ; and this is the Knowledge , and a Mysterious Knowledge it is , which the lapsed state of Human Nature makes necessary , as necessary as the Salvation of Sinners by the Incarnation and Death of the Son of God : Which makes a great difference between the Precepts and Faith of the Gospel , though both contained in the same Revelation . He adds , It was not made the matter of Supernatural Revelation , for its Difficulty , Mysteriousness , or Transcendency of the Human Understanding , but to ascertain the Truth of it , and to enforce its Authority in the world . Which is in plain English to say , That the Design of the Gospel-Revelation was not to teach us any thing beyond the Discovery or Comprehension of meer Natural Reason , but only to give greater Certainty and Authority to the Laws and Religion of Nature And here , for a conclusion , I joyn Issue with this Socinian ( and am glad to take the least Hint for some useful Discourse ) , Whether the Gospel Revelation contain any thing which Nature could not teach us , and which Natural Reason cannot comprehend ; or were only intended to give greater Certainty and Authority to the Religion of Nature ? That the Gospel is a New Revelation of what Nature could not teach , nor meer Natural Reason comprehend , I shall prove ; not from the Name or Notion of Mysteries , which these men so foolishly and absurdly ridicule ; but from the express Authority of St. Paul , 1 Cor. 2.14 . But the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God , for they are foolishness unto him , neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned . A brief Explication of which Words will be of great use in our present Dispute . The 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , or Natural Man , as Theophilact and other Greek Fathers observe , is the man who judges only by Natural Light and Reason , and will receive and believe nothing beyond what Nature teaches : And the Context proves this to be the true meaning of it . This account the Apostle gives of the Graecian Philosophers , That as the Jews required a sign , so the Greeks seek after wisdom , 1 Cor. 1.22 . nothing would content them but some Philosophical Speculations , and Natural Proofs and Demonstrations of Faith ; which in this Chapter he calls , The enticing words of man's wisdom , and opposes to the demonstration of the spirit , and of power : that is , to the Evidence of Miracles wrought by the Spirit of God ; which are a more certain and infallible Proof than all their Pretences to Reason and Demonstration : For where is the wise ? where is the scribe ? where is the disputer of this world ? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world ? for after that in the wisdom of God , the world by wisdom ( by natural Reason and Philosophy ) knew not God , it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe , 1 Cor. 1.20 , 21. These are the men who rejected the Faith of Christ , of whom the Apostle here speaks , and gives an account of the reason of their Infidelity in these words , The natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God. Which will more fully appear , by examining what these things of the Spirit of God are : And it is evident from the whole Context , that they are matters of pure Revelation , which can be known only by the Revelation of the Spirit , or the whole Oeconomy of our Salvation , by the Incarnation , Death , Resurrection , Ascension , of Jesus Christ , the Eternal Son of God , which is the Subject of the Gospel-Revelation . This he calls , The Wisdom of God in a Mystery , even the hidden Wisdom , which God ordained before the world to our glory , ver . 7. and what this is , immediately follows ; Which none of the princes of this world knew ; for had they known it , they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory ; which can refer only to the Dispensation of Grace by Jesus Christ. This Nature could not teach us , as it is written , Eye hath not s●en , neither ear heard , neither have entred into the heart of man , the things which God hath prepared for them that love him , v. 9. That is , such things as neither Sense , nor Natural Reason could inform us of : But God hath revealed them to us by his Spirit , for the Spirit searcheth all things , even the deep things of God ; for what man knoweth the things of a man , but the Spirit of a man which is in him ? even so the things of God knoweth no man , but the spirit of God : Now we have received not the Spirit of the World , but the Spirit which is of God , that we may know those things which are freely given us of God : Which proves that these are properly the things of the Spirit , which could never be known but by the Revelation of the Spirit : For they are the deep things of God , his Secret Counsels and Purposes for the Redemption of Mankind ; the free Results of his own Wisdom and Goodness , the things which are freely given us of God ; and therefore can be known , and can be revealed only by the Spirit ; and these are the things of the Spirit , which the natural Man , the vain Pretender to Reason and Philosophy , receiveth not . Now can any man desire a plainer Proof than this , how incompetent a Judge meer natural Reason is of the Mysteries of Faith , of the whole Oeconomy of Gospel-Grace ? For what the natural Man does not receive , that meer natural Reason does not receive ; for the only Reason why the natural Man does not receive it , is because natural Reason does not receive it ; and what is foolishness to the natural Man , is foolishness to natural Reason ; and what the natural Man cannot know , because they are spiritually discerned , that natural Reason cannot discern . Now can there be a plainer Proof than this ( if we believe St. Paul ) that there are such Doctrines contained in the Gospel , as natural Reason does not receive , or approve , but rejects with scorn : For it is not said , That the natural Man cannot by the mere Light of Nature find out , or discover these things of the Spirit ; that he had asserted before , but these words give a reason of the Infidelity of the Wise Men , the Scribes , the Disputers of this World , who rejected the Faith when it was preached to them by the Apostles ; that the natural Man , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , does not receive or approve the Faith ; and not only so , but rejects it as foolishness , as absurd , contradictious , impossible , unworthy of a Man of Reason , and Philosophy . Like the Philoso●hers of the Epicureans , and the Stoicks , who encountred St. Paul , when he preached at Athens ; and some said , What will this babler say ; other some , He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods , because he preached unto them Jesus and the res●rrection . 17. Acts 18. If then there be such Doctrines as these in the Gospel-Revelation , it is certain , it can be no O●jection against any Article of the Christian Faith , that meer natural Reason does not receive , approve , comprehend it , but accounts it absurd , ridiculous , foolish ; for thus the things of the Spirit of God were to the natural Man in St. Paul's days , and thus they will always be . Nay if the things of the Spirit of God are so far above the comprehension of Human Reason , then such Doctrines as meer natural Reason does not receive , have this Mark and Character of Divinity , if they are contained in the Gospel-Revelation : Nay , let me add farther , That those Doctrines which have been always owned and defended with the warmest Zeal by the Catholick Church , and opposed and rejected with as great scorn and contempt by Pagans , Infidels , and Hereticks , as a contradiction to the Reason of Mankind , and the Philosophy of Nature , are most likely to be the true Christian Faith ; for this proves that the Christian Church always believed them to be Gospel-Doctrines ; and Infidels and Hereticks rejected them as incomprehensible , and inconceiveable , and absurd to Human Reason ; and such the Doctrine of the Trinity , and Incarnation , and Cross of Christ , have always been to such natural Men. Nay , farther : If there be such Doctrines in the Gospel-Revelation , which meer Natural Reason receiveth not , but accounts foolishness ; then it is certain , that is not the true Christian Faith which contains none of these Mysteries , none of this hidden Wisdom , none of these deep things of God. Let the Socinian then tell us , What things there are in their Faith , which the Natural Man receiveth not , which are above the comprehension of meer Natural Reason : They glory that they have no such incomprehensible Mysteries in their Faith ; that they have a reasonable Faith , that they have stript Christian Religion of Riddles and Mysteries , and fitted it to the level and comprehension of Human Reason ; but this very thing wherein they glory , is a demonstration against them , that Socinianism is not the true Christian Faith ; for that contains such Doctrines , as the Natural Man and meer Natural Reason receiveth not . They commonly laugh at that distinction between things contrary to Reason , and above Reason , which Human Reason is no judge of . We assert , That a Divine Revelation can never contradict true Reason ; for a Divine Revelation must be true , and true Reason is true , and Truth cannot contradict Truth : But we assert , that there are many things in the Christian Faith which are above Reason ; which Reason is not a competent judge of , and which Natural Men may call contradictions , if every thing must pass for a contradiction to Reason , which meer Natural Reason does not receive , approve , allow . But after all , they must find something above Natural Reason , if they will believe like Christians ; for such things there are in the Christian Faith , and then let them distinguish as they can between contrary to Reason , and above it . But I must take notice of one thing more in these words , the reason why the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God , and cannot know them , viz. because they are spiritually discerned , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , they are to be known and judged of only by Spiritual Arguments and Methods ; and therefore the Natural Man , who rejects all means of Knowledge but Natural Reason , can never know them . The Truth and Certainty of our Faith must be learnt , not from the Evidence of Natural Reason and Philosophy , which was the Evidence the Philosophers expected . The Greeks seek after Wisdom , 1 Cor. 1.22 . But ●t . Paul tells us , That Christ sent him to preach the Gospel , not with Wisdom of words , lest the Cross of Christ should be made of none effect . v. 17. &c 2.4 , 5. And my Speech and my Preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom ; but in demonstration of the Spirit and of Power . I did not confirm my Doctrine by Natural Reasons and Arguments ; but by the Evidence of Miracles wrought by the Power of the Holy Spirit ; That your Faith should not stand in the wisdom of men , but in the power of God. And the true Interpretation , and admirable Wisdom of these Divine Mysteries , must be spiritually discerned also . Which things also we speak not in the words which man's Wisdom teacheth ; but which the Holy Ghost teacheth , comparing spiritual things with spiritual . There is a spiritual Language belongs to spiritual Things ; and we must learn the true Sense and Interpretation of the Faith , not from Natural Ideas , or the Words and Notions of Philosophy , that is , in the Socinian Language , by Expounding Scripture by Natural Reason ; but by studying the Language of Scripture , and the meaning of the Holy Ghost in it , especially by comparing the Old and the New Testament together ; Spiritual things with Spiritual : This is a way of Learning which Natural Men despise , and therefore cannot know the things of the Spirit of God , which must be spiritually discerned . All this I think abundantly proves that there are such Mysteries in the Christian Faith , as meer Natural Reason cannot discover , cannot prove , cannot receive and comprehend , cannot interpret ; which shews what reason we have to distinguish betwen matters of pure Faith and Philosophy ; and what danger there is of corrupting the Faith by Philosophy . And now I think I may conclude ; for I suppose no body will expect , that I should defend my self against his ridiculous Charge , That I am a Socinian ; which had he believed , I should have found better treatment from him : But I shall leave him to rave by himself , and look upon all these Hurricanes of Fury and Vengeance , as a good sign that they feel themselves mortally Wounded . THE END . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A59900-e270 The Distinction between Real and Nominal Trinitarians examined , &c. Considerations on the Explications of the Doctrine of the Trinity , p. 21 , 22. Vindicatition , p. 150.