A narrative of the proceedings of the commissioners appointed by O. Cromwell, for ejecting scandalous and ignorant ministers, in the case of Walter Bushnell, clerk, Vicar of Box in the county of Wilts wherein is shewed that both commissioners, ministers, clerk, witnesses have acted as unjustly even as was possible for men to do by such a power, and all under the pretence of godliness and reformation. Bushnell, Walter, 1609-1667. 1660 Approx. 432 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 137 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2008-09 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A30710 Wing B6256 ESTC R6388 12251107 ocm 12251107 57085 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . 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Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Great Britain -- History -- Commonwealth and Protectorate, 1649-1660. 2006-05 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2007-01 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-02 Jonathan Blaney Sampled and proofread 2007-02 Jonathan Blaney Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A NARRATIVE Of the Proceedings of the COMMISSIONERS Appointed by O. Cromwell , For EJECTING Scandalous and Ignorant MINISTERS . In the Case of Walter Bushnell Clerk , Vicar of Box in the County of Wilts . WHEREIN IS SHEWED That both Commissioners , Ministers , Clerk , Witnesses have acted as unjustly even as was possible for Men to do by such a Power : and all under the pretence of Godliness and Reformation . Thou shalt not raise , or receive a false report , Exod. 23.1 . Si falsus testis perit qui injuratus testimonium dicit ( — ) Deut. 19 16 ad 21. Quid nostris , qui iurati testimonum dicunt , fict● ? Et si 〈◊〉 testis perit , quid judici iniquo obveniet ? ● Printed for R. Clavell at the Stags-head in S. Pauls church yard , 16●● To the Honorable Sir Anthony Ashlie-Cooper , Knight and Baronet , And John Earnly , Esq Knights of the Shire for the County of Wilts : As also to the Honorable the Citizens and Burgesses returned for this present Parliament for the respective City and Burroughs of the same County . Renowned Gent. I Am not so short-sighted , but that I foresee to what exceptions , and censures I expose my self , both by publishing such a Discourse as this , at such a time as this ; as likewise , that I shou'd so far imbolden my self , as to prefix your honored Names to the Dedication . As first it may be looked upon as a very unhandsome attempt ( to give it no worse a word ) in me to be unseasonably ripping up old sores , and out of some private animosity , to be blowing up those coals which I should cover , & kindling that fire which I should quench , at such a time , when as all men should contend for unity and concord ; and strive who should be the forwardest to forget and forgive injuries , from the Command and Example of both our God and our King. As 2. it may be looked upon as a very great ( if not an unpardonable ) presumption in me , to present a discourse of such a Subject as this unto your Honored selves , whose utmost and unwearyed care hath been ( and may it still continue to be so ) to compose the desperate divisions , and to close up the even mortal wounds of our languishing both Church and State. Be pleased therefore to hear my Apology , as well as my charge . For the first ; I conceive it to be a duty incumbent upon every man , ( and necessarily so ) to vindicate ( by wayes lawful and just ) his own reputation , when it shall be grosly defamed , or notoriously slandered : otherwise all infamous reports would be taken for truths ; by our silence we confessing our own guilt , and acknowledging both the truth of the charge , and the justice of that power which hath rendred us as scandalous . This being ( as I humbly conceive ) rationally premised , will be I believe as easily condescended unto : and then I shall take the boldness to add , that pure Necessity enforced me to this Publication . For so it was , that some of the Commissioners , Ministers , witnesses , and others , who have eaten my bread ( bel●ke thinking , that they had not yet enough undone me ) have , and still do , upon all opportunities offered , or sought , report me to the world for such a one , so scandalous , so ignorant , as altogether unfit either to return to mine own living or to be admited to any other : and that ( whatever there might be wanting of power in them to inflict such a sentence on me , yet ) there wanted not crime enough in me to deserve it . In short , they stand it out , in asserting their own justice and godliness , and would have the world believe , that I am altogether such as they have laboured to represent me to the world . Now the design of this Narrative , is to let the world know , that these Commissioners and Ministers , whom I shall name by and by , have been as unjust towards me , as they were incompetent in Law. And ( beside , that their Commission was derived from an usurping power , and Tyrannical ) that their Actings by that power were far more vile and odious , then their Ordinance gave them license unto . And for the 2. That I make my Application to your honored selves : it was not only for this , because you are the worthy Representatives of that County , where these things were transacted , and so no doubt would be most ready to appear in the behalf of any one whose trust you have undertaken , so far forth as justice and equity were on his side : But also for this reason ; because I have heard that some of those who have not done me the least wrong , have in a kind of menacing manner reported it , That they would acquaint your Honorable Court with the Depositions which were taken against me : Which should they have done , I could expect no other from them but that they should act after their old fashion ; and if so ( considering the conditions of those Commissioners , Ministers , Clerks , Witnesses , and how they had dealt with me before ) they might have presented me to the world , as a person notoriously infamous . Had the Nobles of Jezreel , that were his Judges , or the sons of Belial that were the witnesses against him , been the only reporters of the story of Naboth ; none would have said that Naboth had been put to death unjustly . I have therefore presum'd to publish to the world a report of their proceedings in my case , even as they were : tracing of them from day to day , from the first to the last ; and all along keeping my self so close to that Copy of the Depositions , which I received from their Clerk , as that I have not willingly left out , altered or added so much as one word unto them . Beside which ( if you please to read this Narrative over , or but a few lines in my precautions to the Reader ) you shall find me charging them , both Commissioners , Ministers , and Witnesses , with such crimes which are not only odious in men as Christians ; but with such , which were looked , upon as vile and odious , by the more civil sort of Heathens . And yet I have not charged them with a syllable which I am not able by proofs to make good upon them . And now let them publ●sh their Depositions , when , or present them to whom they please . I wish that they may present them to your Honorable Court : having a confidence , that there we shall find such Judges who are both wise and just . If they present the same which I here mention , ( which were all I could get from their Clerk ) you have here answers unto them . If they present other Depositions , those will be matter of charge against none , but themselves . And here I cannot but wonder , that such men as , these should presume so far as to talk of acquainting this honorable Court with their proceedings ; or indeed dare to think of Parliaments but with trembling , or expect any thing from them but punishment : since these very men ( as to my business ) then acted by that power , and were very zealous for that power , and were very bitter against those that did not own that power , as they would have them . ( One of their chiefest Articles against me , being this , That I was disaffected to the present Government ) when as it was by that present power ( which they did then so much adore , and endeavoured so much to establish ) That our late gratious King was so barbarously murdered , and his Parliament ruined . And when I said , I cannot but wonder at these men , my meaning is not only the Commissioners , but Ministers likewise : some whereof ( if I have not been misinformed ) have had it in their thoughts , to Petition your Honorable Court , that they might be confirmed in those Livings into which they unjustly intruded themselves ; and as unjustly dispossest others of . These Intruders having been their Judges , or else having had some other hand in ejecting them ; and their crimes published abroad for infamous , and called by the names of Insufficiency , or Scandal ; when as the greatest , if not the only scandal was , that they would not be Traitors , or ingage themselves to break their Oaths , as many of them had done . What was this , but to Petition your High Court to confirm those wrongs and grievances which you came to redress ? Nay more , what was it but to beseech your Honors to own and countenance that Power which had endeavoured the utter ruin of both King and People ? But your Heroick and matchless actings ( for which our cheerful , although yet feeble Nation , doth honor and bless you ) have I think , taken from some such their hopes , and from others their fears . Go on Renowned Patriots , go on . And here let my humble lines address themselves to each Member of your Honorable House : and not only so , but let me be pardoned my boldness , if I presume to knock at the door of the other most Honorable House likewise . My business is the same to both , it is but short , and a Petition , but not To , but For you . May all your consultations be such , as the great God may bless , and prosper . May they be for him , for your King , and for your Countrey ; the happiness of all which are so far from being inconsistent with each other , that they thrive the better for being subordinate . To your everlasting Honor , you have let the world see , That the happiness of the whole , and of every member consists in this , that every one is restored unto , and injoyes his own . And doubtless our good God meant it for a signal favour to you , not only that you were the Instruments whereby he wrought his wonders , nay even his Miracles for the deliverance of this Land ; but that you should so willingly , so speedily , so unanimously , even run and flie upon this imployment , ( and this it is which makes you the happy instruments ) and with such haste bind up our wounds , that we may say , That you have removed the Iniquity of the Land in one day . And whereas it is usually seen , that those who are for desolation & ruin , make most haste ; a single person in an hour overthrowing that , which many cannot repair in many dayes ; it must be recorded to your Renown , that you , by your happy faculty in reparation , have far out-gone the pace of ruin : you having in a day rebuilt that stately fabrick of Englands Monarchy , which many a one for a long time have been pulling down . I shall add no more , but only this ; He that with his Pillar of fire , and a Cloud , conducted Moses and the Israelites through the Sea , was ever with them , and assisted them to overcome the difficulties of the Wilderness . May the same merciful power , which at first took you by the hand , alwayes lead you on your wayes ; that you may happily finish that great work which you have so successfully begun , and made so fair a progress in . This shall be the dayly Prayer of Your most humble Servant Gualt . Bushnell . Jul. 24. 1660. To the Readers . WHom I shall precaution in some few things . As 1. when they meet with the word Commissioners , they are not to understand me , as intending thereby all those Gentlemen whose names were put into the Ordinance ; as charging them with those unworthy and unjust proceedings . Many whereof ( as to my business ) never acted ; yea further , I desire them to know , that some of those who sometime acted , I do hereby acknowledge and report for Gentlemen of much Civility and Moderation . But the Commissioners and Ministers which I here speak of , are those that made ejecting of Ministers a kind of a Trade : And questionless to themselves it was a very beneficial one : such who were constant , and frequent , and furious in the business , and were these , Mr. Blisset , Mr. Thomas Bayly , Mr. Hunt of Marlborough , and of the Ministers , Dr. Chambers , Mr. Byfield , and one of Marlborough , I think they call him Mr. Hughes . Understand me to mean these especially ; when you meet with any hard words uttered against the Commissioners , I say especially ; for although some others acted to my prejudice , yet because they never appeared but once , and then , ( as it was conjectured ) upon the solicitation of these men , according to whose influences they acted , I shall for the present , only point to them in the Margin . And these respective persons I shall charge , and make good this charge upon them . 1. The Ministers that they were ever medling with that , which they had nothing to do withall . And 2. the Commissioners for often violating that Ordinance by which they sate , and according to which they were to act , and that in many particulars . As in admitting and countenancing such to swear , ( if they appeared against me ) which their Ordinance excepted against . In excluding such witnesses , if appearing for me , ( yea after they had been sworn ) which by their Ordinance they were to admit of ; and at last making a Peremptory Order , That such as would might appear against me , but no more in my behalf . I charge them again for endeavouring to suppress many Informations which were taken upon Oath , and discountenancing , interrupting , and thwarting with many witnesses , who would have deposed to the infamy of their witnesses . And their Clerk ( Mr. Blissets son ) I charge for entering many Depositions by halfs ; for confounding the Order in which they were taken ; for shuffling up two Depositions into one ; for leaving out very material clauses , which might have been to my behoof ; for endeavouring to insert such words which the Deponent never spoke , which might have been to my prejudice ; for leaving out in his Copy delivered to me , a whole , yea a very material Deposition , notwithstanding he had formerly taken it , together with the subscription of the Deponent : And I charge them all , Commissioners , Ministers , Clerk , for countenancing and incouraging infamous persons , such who had forsworn themselves , and touching some of themselves , in their hearing . Such as appeared out of malice by their own confession , and were proved guilty of suborning , and of being suborned , to their faces : Yea , and such as we should have proved guilty of forgery likewise , had not these Commissioners and Ministers by a notorious piece of injustice prevented it : so that possibly the Readers may say , that they have met with a story somewhat like to that of Naboth . Such Judges , such Witnesses , such a sentence , and such a Malefactor : The Judges , although most unjust , yet pretending not only to Justice , but Piety likewise . The witnesses most infamous , and yet countenanced and made use of by these Judges , although they knew them to be such . And ( although the sentence be not altogether the same , yet ) the Malefactors crime being either the witnesses malice , or else that he held something which they were sick for . These things being premised by way of Caution , I take my leave . Gualt . Bushnell . THE TRANSACTIONS at the time when first I appeared before the COMMISSIONERS sitting at the Bear in MARLBURROUGH , FEBRUARY 14. 1655. section 1 BY vertue of an Ordinance of OLIVER called the PROTECTOR , and his Council , intituled , An Ordinance for the Ejecting of Scandalous , Ignorant and Insufficient Ministers and Schoolmasters , bearing date Aug. 29. 1654 wherein certain Commissioners with Ministers assistant were impowred to proceed according to severall Instructions therein specified , as by the said Ordinance ( whereunto for further satisfaction I refer thee ) appears : I was by Warrant from Marlburrough delivered u●to me by Tho. Cox bearing date Jan. 21. 1655. under the hands and Seals of Tho. Bayly , Tho. Hunt , Gabriel Martin , William Shute , William Blisset , and Richard Phelps , summoned to appear before the said Comm●ssioners at Marlburrough on the 14 day of February then next following in these words . WILTS , By the Commissioners for the ejecting of scandalous , Ministers , &c. sitting at Marlburrough , this 21 day of Jan. 1655. THese are to will and require you Walter Bushnell Clerk , Minister of Box , to make your personall appearance before us at the Sign of the Bear in Marlburrough , upon Thursday come three weeks , the 14 day of Febr. next coming , to answere to a Charge of Articles , purporting matter of scandal ▪ and insufficiency , before us this day exhibited against you . Hereof fail you not at your perill . Given under our hands and Seals , the day and year abovesaid . To Walter Bushnell Clerk , these . On the outside , Mr. Bushnell of Box. section 2 Which personall appearance I accordingly made , and after I had waited till about Eight of the Clock at night , I received a Copy of the Charge in these words . WILTS ss . A Copy of the Charge against Mr. Bushnell , exhibited Januar . 21. 1655. 1. That the said Mr. Bushnell is guilty of profaning the Sabbath day . 2. That he is guilty of frequenting Inns , and Ale-houses , and drinking to Excesse . 3. That he useth the Form contained in the Book of Common Prayer , and Baptizeth with the Sign of the Crosse . 4. That he is guilty of playing Cards and Dice . 5. That he is guilty of severall attempts by him made on his servant woman to have committed uncleannesse with her . 6. That he hath expressed his disaffection to the present Government , in associating himself with severall persons who were chief Actors in the late Insurrection . Ex. per me William Blissett . Vera Copia . To these Articles I pleaded not guilty , which I subscribed at the foot of them , adding further to Mr. Shute , and Dr. Chambers ( the only persons that to my knowledge I had ever seen before ) that if those Articles were true , then was I notoriously scandalous ; but if false , then were the Informers Notorious Slanderers , or words to that purpose . To which Dr. Chambers replies to this purpose , That the severall parties should be brought face to face . So that waiting only for a Copy of the Articles , for which I gave the Clark , ( Mr. Blissets Son ) 2 s. 6 d. I was at that time dismissed untill further summons . section 3 Now I must acquaint thee that these Articles were exhibited by one John Travers of Slaughtenford , commonly then called Captain Travers . This Trade of Information and such unworthy shifts being conceived to be almost all that he had to live by , he being looked on as a Fellow meerly Mercenary , framing Complaints against men for no other cause but that he might be hired to hold his peace : and endeavouring to displace Ministers , for this reason , that he might have his reward for making room for others to come into their Livings . And I make no doubt of it , but that as it was hope of reward which moved him to act , so at first it was indifferent to him from whom he had it . A good Crust would have so charmed this Cerberus , that he would not have opened his mouth unlesse it had been in my behalf . Nor do I make a question of it but that as some reward from me would have kept him quiet , or made him for me , so that he had some promises given him , or somewhat assured him in case he would appear against me . The man whom they have put in my place hath complained of the Charges be hath been at in getting of it ; ( one must have 20 l. another 10 l. another 10 l. and 10 l. it cost him in such a businesse ) now there is no doubt but that John Travers had his share in this Dividend as well as in the Service : Neither can I think that Mr. Sterne would have beknaved him ( ask William Blisset the younger , and Tho. Cox how ) as he did some others , if John Travers had travailed and swore for him upon his own Charges . And for some such kinde of man was he looked upon by Mr. Chambers himself , when he first delivered in these Articles against me ; who ( as he hath reported ) called for the Articles with a purpose to have torn them , because they were Exhibited by such a hand . section 4 And since I have mentioned the Articles , and the person that delivered them in , and the entertainment which they were like to finde from Mr. Chambers because they were delivered in by such an hand ; let me now tell thee what ( as he hath reported it ) was the cause which made the Doctor forbear tearing of them , and that was because he saw there the Names of many whom he knew , and took to be honest men . And here ( for an Introduction to the honesty and discretion of the Dr. ) I shall observe this unto thee , that ( as I have been told ) he observed it , that although there were severall names subscribed , yet they were all written in the same hand , from which it must needs follow , that by the Doctors confession , the whole writing both Articles and hands might be all forged as indeed they were ; so that me thinks the Doctor hath very much overshot himself in point of discretion , for he looks upon the Articles the more , because subscribed with such and so many names ; and yet 2 he acknowledgeth all the names to be written with one hand which would have made any sober man the more to have suspected it . But yet the Doctor had an evasion for this , for at my appearing before them at Caln some of those whose names were subscribed , desired a sight of the Paper that they might know who had thus abused them which they could not obtain ; yet the Dr. ( that we might not prove his Friends guilty of Forgery ) endeavours to preserve their reputation with a Salvo to some such purpose , That their Names were written only by way of a Memorandum , that in case they were called upon , they could depose to these Articles , that that might be done without their knowledge : I think he added , That it was an usuall course in the proceedings of these Commissioners . But now I must tell thee , that many of them whose names were subscribed to those Articles , did touching my self first under their own hands , certifie to these Commissioners the quite contrary to these Articles , and afterward being before them and sworn , were so far from testifying any thing to the sense of the Articles , as that all they said was to my vindication , all which was industriously declined by the Dr. and his Commissioners , for although there were many of them before them , who said much , yet we have not so much as their names in the Depositions . So that this Salvo of the Doctors although with him it be but Gl●ssa Ord●noria , yet is it after the rate of some of such Principles who draw up their Memorandums as they quote Texts and Authors to the quite contrary of their intents . section 5 But to return to John Travers , the reason which ( beside common report which rendreth him such a man ) moves me to think in this particular that some feeling would have stopped John Travers his mouth , is this : Sometimes before he delivered in these Articles to the Commissioners , he did severall times , and at severall hous●s , Alehous●s and others , speak of them , yea and read them to severall Companies , which I believe he therefore did , that the report thereof might come to my ears : and that that report might alarm me to make in , and to take some timely course that this storm might be diverted : But now I considering , that he who goes about privately to practise with an Informer , doth first on the matter confesse himself guilty : Next that , he doth reward him for one Crime , and thereby incourage him to commit another : I considering again , that such sort of fellows will be no longer quiet then they are fed , and that they have ( as strong stomacks , so ) quick digestions : Considering again that the Crimes which I was charged with , were grosse and scandalous , and if true , deserving a greater punishment then Ejectment : Considering again that the Commissioners mentioned in the Ordinance were many of them Gentlemen of eminent rank , and looked upon as men of discretion and integrity ; and considering that the Instructions by which these Commissioners were to proceed were such that had they been duly observed , it was almost impossible that a person not guilty should be prejudiced : For they were to examine witnesses upon Oath on the behalf of the person Charged , and the proof of the Charge was to be made by credible witnesses , ( the sequel will shew thee how they observed or kept to their Instructions ) being confident likewise of mine own innocence as to those Crimes which were there charged upon me , and perswading my self that I should finde nothing but Justice allayed with Equity and Candor in my Judges , I say , considering these things , I cast my self upon my tryall . But now how much I was mistaken in some of these men , how disproportionable their proceedings were to the Ordinance by which they acted , how little justice I found where I expected Lawfull favour , this ensuing Discourse shall acquaint thee . And indeed calling to minde that abundance of Godlinesse which some of these men pretend unto , making that the Symbole to difference themselves from other men , and yet observeing their actings and proceedings I cannot but say as Solomon did , And moreover I saw vnder the Sun the place of Judgment that wickednesse was there , and the place of righteousnesse that iniquity was there . The Transactions at my Second time of appearing before them , at the Antelop in Lavington , April 28. 1656. section 1 I Heard no more of this businesse from the 14 of February , 1655. untill the 24 of April , 1656. at which time the●e came a Soldier to my House and delivered me a piece of Paper in these words . Mr. BUSHNELL , I Am commanded by our Commissioners , to let you know , that they expect your appearance before them upon Monday next at the Antelop in Market-Lavington , where they will examine the Witnesses for proof of the Charge against you ; if you intend to make defense thereunto you are then to bring your Witnesses with you . Per me William Blisset , Clerk. Newsarum 31 of March , 1656. To Mr. Bushnell , Minister of Box , these . As I said before , I received not this Paper till the 24 of April , ( for his pains the Soldier required and received 2 s. 6 d. ) And notwithstanding I could then easily have absented my self , and justified my non-appearance , both because the Monday next after the 31 of March , on which by this Warrant I was to appear , was April 7. and so elapsed more then a F●●tnight before the Paper came to my hands : as likewise because I had not five dayes warning before hand as the Ordinance injoyns . Yet because the Souldier told me that the Monday next mentioned in the Warrant did not refer to March 31. on which it was dated , but unto the 24 of April , on which he delivered it , and so must be April 28. as also being unwilling to move a Question , whether by five dayes mentioned in the Ordinance were to be understood five dayes inclusivè , or exclusivè , I say I being unwilling to make use of such po●● shifts , which might rather render me suspected then any way vindicate me , and desiring nothing more then a fair and speedy hearing I repair to Lavington accordingly : I shall observe this unto thee from the last clause of their Warrant , that they command me to bring Witnesses for my defense when as none had deposed against me , and yet afterward when they had received Depositions against me , they rejected whom they pleased of my Witnesses , and at last made a peremptory Order , that no more of my Witnesses should be admitted , of which more hereafter . section 2 At this time at Lavington there appear as Witnesses for the Common-wealth ( for that was the name by which they were called ) William Pinchin , Peter Webb , Thomas Powell , Mary the Wife of Henry Workman , and Jane Hendie Widow of Box , and Obadiah Cheltenham of Ditcheridge , who being all sworn , were required to speak their knowledge touching the Charge against me . I must tell thee , that William Pinchin ( as I take it , before he was sworn ) desired to be excused in regard of some neer relation of Kindred which was betwixt us two ; but this I opposed , knowing it to be a piece of himself ; he I knew for a long time had been the prime Contriver of all ; and that the others who appeared there , were there by his procurement ; and that some of them acted according to his Instructions . I conceived likewise that this might be to gain the greater opinion from the Commissioners that he seem'd thus to hang back ( for in such cases forward Witnesses , even amongst Heathens , were not so well thought of ) and therefore he pretends an unwillingnesse to that which he most desires ; for I am assured , that he would never have gone about so to excuse himself , if he had believed that such an excuse would have been accepted of . Somewhat it was which Mr. Blisset then spake unto him , that he had been lately sworn before other Commissioners ( yea and there he approves himself a Valiant Knight ) which I conceive was spoken either out of wonder , that William Pinchin should now be so calm who was lately so fierce , or else by way of invitation to incourage him to go on . section 3 But this hinderance being removed , William Pinchin goes on in these words : That about Eight years since , when Mr. Bushnell came first to Box , he feasted his friends on the Lords day , and having drank liberally that day there , one Thrift , one of the Guests was killed in the Tower there , but by what means this Deponent knoweth not . And saith farther , That he knoweth , that Mr. Bushnell have usually till within this two years frequented Alehouses in Parish businesse , and have there drank hard in Mr. Speke 's and Mr. Long 's Company ; and have saw him set there drinking after they have been gone , but cannot say that ever he saw him drunk . And saith further , That Mr. Bushnell have alway baptized Infants by the form of the Common Prayer till the last Sabbath day , excepting the Sign of the Crosse . section 4 Where I shall offer to thy consideration , 1. That although William Pinchin pretends he came unwillingly to swear , yet we see he comes not unprepared . I shall therefore desire the Reader to take some notice of this deposition which consists of three parts ▪ answerable to the three first Articles exhibited against me . 1. Profanation of the Lords Day . 2. Frequenting Alehouses . 3. Vsing the Common Prayer at the Baptizing of Children . I shall observe something to thee touching all these accordingly as they lie in order . section 5 And first I shall tell thee that whatsoever William Pinchin deposeth touching my Feasting on the Lords day , or drinking liberally on that day , or of the death of John Thrift , he hath only upon conjecture , or else upon hear-say : For he then upon Oath acknowledged before the Commissioners , that he was not that day at Box , but at Broughton , which is some four or five Miles distant from Box , and 't is like enough he was there at the Revel , that being their Revel-day . 2. He then deposed likewise that this Lords day was Midlent-Sunday . 3. He then deposed , that I preached not that Afternoon , imputing it to Excessive Drinking ; And yet we have not one word of this in the Copy of the Depositions which we received from their Clerk. Whether it were ever taken , or if taken , whether Index Expurgatorious hath dasht it out I will not say . section 6 I must not forget to tell thee , that whiles the Clerk was taking William Pinchins D●poposition , Mr. Byfield did often interpose , as if it had belonged to him to teach William Pinchin how to swear , and the Clerk how to enter it . Adding that if he wrote , so , or so , it would not amount to a Charge , for that the latter part of it would contradict the former , or words to such a purpose : ( No Deposition pleased him but such as had poyson in it . ) And here I must tell the Reader that this Mr. Byfield seemed wholly to have forgotten both the place and the purpose for which his Name was put into the Ordinance , for by that it is cleer that neither Mr. Byfield nor any other Minister hath ▪ any thing to do but only to assist the Commissioners in their adjudging who shall be accounted ignorant and insufficient ; whereas it is well known that Mr. Byfield intermedled in the matter of Scandall more then all the Commissioners beside . I appeared Nine times before them , where Mr. Byfield ever made one ; and ( when the Pipe was out of his Mouth ) his Tongue was seldome silent : but either dictating to the Clerk ; encouraging some Witnesses , thwarting with , and threatning and turning back others ; thrusting some out of dores , that they might not hear how things past : charging the Clerk that he should give no Copies of the Depositions , making Orders which were for his purpose , reversing others which were not ; reading and explaining Acts and Ordinances ; concealing some other which were not for his purpose , instructing and Catechising some of his Commissioners : Of all which thou shalt have particular instances in the Sequel . But now in the businesse which was properly his , Examination , my man was as mute as a Fish , for I remember not that be proposed so much as one question unto me . Indeed he hath not been so favourable in that particular to every body : For he hath ( as I have been told ) press'd a Neighbour of mine with a Question very earnestly and closely ; and wot you what it was ? It was ( doubtlesse with Mr. Byfield a fundamentall one ) What was the yearly value of his Living ? and indeed when Mr. Chambers preaching at Bath on those words , Joh. 14.22 . made this Observation , That Judas Iscarias proposed no Question , but about Earthly things , as , What will you give me ? Might not this have been sold ? &c. I could not choose but think of Mr. Byfield . section 7 But to return to the Deposition , William Pinchin acknowledgeth himself to be absent , and yet he swears as if he had been at Box. I am not so much a Lawyer as to know how far forth an Oath will extend , or to what it will amount , if a man depose nothing but what he hath received by hear-say . Amongst the people of God heretofore the matter was not established , but at the mouth of two or three Witnesses ; they could not if absent send in their Testimony under their hands , and then certainly much lesse could they give Evidence of a thing which they never knew . In after Ages it is reported that they deponed after this sort . 1. They must testifie from their own sight . 2. What day of the Moneth such a thing was done . 3. What Moneth of the Year such a thing was done . 4. What Seaventh year of the Jubilee . And sure enough it is that whatsoever is deposed in such a Case is no Testimony but a Report , and so as to the Testimony and the Witnesse , it is false , although the thing reported were true . Testis falsus est , non is modo qui mendacium dicit , sed qui etiam quod verum est testificatur cujus certam & indubitatam notitiam non habet , id est , testatur quod nec vidit , nec audivit , nec expertus est . I presume they will not dislike my Author . He is a false Witnesse , not only he who tells a Lie , but he also who testifies a truth whereof he hath not a certain and undoubted knowledge , that is , if he testifie that which he hath neither seen nor heard , nor hath had any Experience of ; which I speak not in any wise by way of granting that to be true which William Pinchin hath informed in this particular ; for I shall manifest it hereafter unto thee , that this report is both false and slanderous , but only to evidence thus much unto thee that be it true , or be it false , yet William Pinchin could be no competent Witnesse of it , because by his own confession he was at the same time at another place about four or five miles off . It hath been observed as a most sencelesse and imprudent piece of malice in the Chief Priests and Elders , ( and indeed Malice is alwayes such ) that after Consultation they should order it in Sanhedrim , That large Money should be given to the Souldiers to say , that h●● Discip●es came by night , and stole him away while they slept . Si do●mierunt quomodo surtum viderunt ? Si autem non viderunt , quomodo fuerunt testes ? If they slept , how saw they the theft ? and if they saw it not , how could they be Witnesses ? Proportionably say I , if William Pinchin were then at Broughton , it is impossible that he should see it ? And if he saw it not , how could he be a witnesse ? Such conjecturall reports or informations upon hearsay , I have known to have been rejected by Justices of Peace in matter of Tythes ; and shall such an O●th in one case be insufficient to help a man to a shilling , and yet in another case be enough to und●e him ? And cleerly these Commissioners gave me here a taste both of their justice and discretion , as likewise hinted unto me what I was to expect from them , in that they did not only receive such a deposition as this from such a man as this ; but also set it in the fore-front , and make it the Leading Deposition to all the rest . section 8 But now as to some other parts of his Deposition , as to the first Article , William P●●chin swore positively at this time at Lavington , that the day whereon Thrift was kil'd , was Midlent-Sunday , and that I usually kept Feasts on that day : Yet at Marlburrough afterward he takes a greater latitude , and swea●s , That he was assured that it was betwixt Candlemas and Easter ( it seems he was not assured of what be swore before ) whereas upon search in the Register , it was found to be on the 13 of Septemb. ( which as Mr. Byfield who pecused the Register Book said ) was nothing neer it . As I remember it was at this time that Mr. Blisset , to reconcile these clashing Oaths , and to strengthen his Evidence , said that this mistake was only in a Circumstance , the Time ; and such a mistake is enough to mar the whole Action . Malum ex quolibe● defectu . And if Circumstances are enough to specificate moral Actions , then much more divine . Oaths , as they are not to be urged , but in weighty and intricate causes , so they are not to be taken without much deliberation and precaution . He who hath sworn to speak the truth , the whole truth , and nothing but the truth forswears himself if he speak any thing more , any thing lesse , or any thing beside , Qui in juramento assertorio aliter dicit quam res est et si in re l●vissima pejerat . The least aberration in an assertory Oath , makes it no lesse then Perjury . Thou shalt swear the Lord liveth in Truth , in Judgment , and in Righteousnesse ; in truth , not falsely ; in judgment , not rashly or unadvisedly ; in righteousnesse , not wickedly . These three are called Comites Juramenti , the Companions of an Oath , without which no Oath can be lawfull . Judicio caret juramentum ●●cautum , veritate juramentum mendax , justitia ●uramentum iniquum , seu illicitum . And yet no lesse then two of these three hath William Pinchin neglected in his Oath ; Judgment , for he swears rashly and unadvisedly , mistaking the Spring for the Autumn , and March or April for September : and that he made as little regard of swearing in truth , as he did to swear in judgment , I am next to tell thee . section 9 For William Pinchin at this time at Lavington deposed that I preached not that Afternoon when John Thrift was killed , imputing it to excessive drinking . Whereas at Marlburrough he deposeth , that I had received 6 s. 8. d. from the Widow Hedges for preaching a Funeral Sermon upon a Lords day in the Afternoon , at the buriall of her Husband John Hedges . Now it appeared by the Register then in place , and examined , that John Hedges was buryed on the self same Afternoon of the same Lords day whereon John Thrift was slain . So that William Pinchin having formerly sworn that I preached not that Afternoon , swears afterwards , that I received Money for preaching a Funerall Sermon at the same time . Another Circumstance for Mr. Blisset . I could not perceive it , that any of the Ministers took it amisse ▪ that I received such a reward ; ( perchance Mr. Byfield looked upon it as a piece of Sacriledge that I took no more ) but if they had , it would have been testified to their faces , that some one among them had on a time received three times as much for the like service . section 10 And now had you seen how William Pinchin did then look , being thus palpably convicted by himself , and caught in his — what shall I call it ? Perjury : Perchance some may say , that according to the ancient notion of the word Perjury as with reference to our Municipal Laws it was not so much : Or , shall I call it false witnesse ? it was more , because he was sworn , and the Rule of the Civil Law is , that whoso shall depose any falshood in Testimony , shall be held guilty of Perjury . But the Reader may call it what he please ; yet of this I am sure , that with God , and in Scripture Phrase , false swearing and Perjury are all one : With him the Crime is the same wheresoever committed ; and as the Crime , so doubtlesse the Punishment will be the same : I say had you seen how Ghastly William Pinchin then looked being thus surprized , you would have said , that there needed no more to have stopt William Pinchins mouth from swearing , or the Commissioners ears from crediting him . section 11 But passe we to the next part of his Deposition , which refers to the Second Article of Charge against me . And he saith further , That he knoweth , that Mr. Bushnell have usually till within these two years frequented Alehouses in Parish businesse , and have there drank hard in Mr. Speke 's and Mr. Long 's Company , and have saw him set drinking there after they have been gone , but cannot say that ever he have seen him drunk . section 12 Touching which , I shall offer to thy consideration , 1. That we have here expressed , that he swears upon his knowledge ; whereas we have not the word in the former part of the Deposition , which may confirm thee , that what he had deposed before , was either upon Conjecture or Hear-say . 2. Those words , That I have frequented Alehouses in Parish businesse , I shall in this sense admit to be true . As often as there were Meetings at Alehouses , touching Parish businesse , ( which was but very seldome ) I might frequent them ; that is those Meetings there , my Interest ingaged me thereunto as much as any mans : And that those Meetings were there , it was not long of me ; it is w●ll known , that there was a Room at the Church-house reserved for that purpose ; which Room William Pinchin ( 't is like ) thought not so fit to carry on his Contrivances in ; and therefore it might be a design in him to remove those Meetings thither , because he was resolv'd ( if swearing would doe it ) that to that place with safety I should not come . 'T is well known , that within these few years William Pinchin hath been a great Rate-maker , and seldome out of Offices ; that he hath brought in large Accounts , and in those his Accounts it will be made appear that he hath made but little Conscience either of Honesty , or of his Oath . section 13 The next thing in the Deposition is , That I have there drank hard in Mr. Speke's and Mr. Long 's Company . As touching the first of these Gentlemen , Mr. Speke , I shall say , that ( as I have heard ) this was not the first t●me wherein William Pinchin forswore himself , to wrong him And it is not unlikely , but that this consideration , that Mr. Speke was my Patron , ( and now he is gone , and so in no capacity either to be pleased or offended with any thing which I shall say , I assure thee , if ever any was , such he was to me , verè Patronus , a Patron indeed ; one who most freely bestowed the place upon me , and I think he never repented that he had so bestowed it : ) and I his Clerk , that he was loving to me , and I as in duty bound , respectfull toward him ; might move VVilliam Pinchin ( a profess'd Enemy & Pare●tibus , & Patronis , to Parents of all sorts ) to levell at us both . And I believe ●t that William Pinchin and I should have been better friends , if I had done by my Patron , as he hath done severall times by his Parents , Cousen them , curse them , and beat them out of d●res . section 14 But further touching Mr. Speke ; I could never hear it reported by any one ( unlesse by him who will swear any thing ) that this Gentleman was ever given to intemperate Drinking , no not in his healthy and ●●●●ger years : but now in his latter dayes , ( and this was the time to which this Deposition refers , and in which I had any knowledge of him ) it is well known that he was so valetudinary and crasie , that his own Infirmities would have constrained him to have kept a temperate Diet , although he had not been disposed to it . section 15 And then as touching the other Gentleman , Mr. Long , that he should be within two years , ( that is within two years of the time wherein William Pinchin thus deposed , which was April 28. 1656. ) in such a place , and with such Company drinking hard , will seem very strange to any one that shall peruse the Register Book of the Parish of Corsham , for there it appears ( and so much was certified to the Commissioners , at their last sitting at Lavington , under the hand of the sworn Register of Corsham , ) that this Mr. Long was buryed , December 9. 1651. So that if William Pinchin swore truly , it must needs follow that this Mr. Long was drinking hard at Box , more then two years after he was in his Grave at Corsham . Another Circumstance for Mr. Blisset . There is in the close of this part of the Deposition , That he cannot say that ever he saw me drunk : Which Clause I would have the Reader to bear in his minde untill the Transactions of the next day . section 16 Passe we now to the last part of his Deposition which refers to the third Article of Charge exhibited against me , it is this , That Mr. Bushnell have alwayes baptized Infants by the form of Common Prayer , till the last Sabbath day , excepting the Sign of the Crosse . To which for present I shall say but only this , that for any thing William Pinchin knew , it might be so , or it might be otherwise ; for ( excepting the Sabbath which he speaks of in his Deposition , whereon he staid for a godly purpose no doubt ) it was none of his use in those few times he came to Church to stay so long till Children were Baptized . section 17 The next Deposition taken , was the Deposition of Peter Webb , in these words , That he have often seen Mr. Bushnell at Ale-houses , but only about Parish businesse . And saith further , That at Michaelmas was Twelve-Moneth he Baptized this Deponents Childe by part of the Book of Common Prayer , and that about four or five years since , he saw him playing at Cards at Mr. Speke ' s. This Deposition ( because it hath nothing singular in it but playing at Cards , which will fall under another Deposition ) I shall at present passe over . section 18 Next comes Obadiah Cheltenham , and swears , That he have often seen Mr. Bushnell at Clarks Alehouse in Box , and at the George at Corsham , from five years past , till within two years , but never saw him drink to excesse . No nor so much as drink neither , for his words were , That at Corsham he did only look into the Room where I was , belike he means the Room where ( after the Sermon was ended ) the Ordinary was kept . I wonder he had not charged me with frequenting Inns and Alehouses at Lavington , Caln , Marlburrough , in attendance to these Commissioners : For I can assure thee , that since I came to Box , I never lodg'd so many nights in Inns and Alehouses , nor have spent a Tenth part of Money in those Inns and Alehouses , as I have parted withall in this businesse : And perchance some body , who knows the pulse of the Marlburrough Commissioners very well , will ( when I have told him all which I intend ) say , that my Discharge might have been procured at a much easier rate then mine undoing . section 19 But I must tell thee , that Obadiah Cheltenham was far more fierce at Lavington then his Deposition represents him : For ( beside that he there thwarted with one witnesse , and prompts another ) he then upon Oath informs the Commissioners , That I had used a Prayer before Sermon so often , that the very Boyes of the Street , could repeat it and laugh at it . Which passage it seems , Mr. Chambers noted , for ( as I have been told ) he reported it in another place : Now since Obadiah Cheltenham had alwayes free admission to them , and a gratious Countenance from Mr. Chambers and Mr. Byfield , I may conjecture , that in private at least this was look'd upon as matter of Charge against me . section 20 In order to my Vindication in this particular , I shall offer to thy consideration these things . 1. That I conceive it not to be any crime in a Minister to use a Set Form of Prayer . 2. That I conceive it not any crime in a Minister , to use the same set form of Prayer more then once . I am not the first that sayeth , That the gift of Prayer doth not exclude means , and endeavours of our own ; as premeditation , diligence , study , both of matter , order , words : Nor did I ever take praying in , or by , or with the Spirit , and Extempore , unthought of , unpremeditated Prayer , for one and the same thing . My present judgment is , that as to the publique there is no such praying by the Spirit as when we have seriously considered and bethought our selves aforehand , both of what we have to pray for , and of whom we are to ask it . Nor am I singular in it if I should say , that the Spirit doth then help our Infirmities , when as with due affections , and requisite ardency of desire , we pray as we have premeditated , or have been taught . And if it happen , that the people are well acquainted with it , it is so much the better , the businesse is their own , and of such a nature as that it is a businesse which neerly concerns them , and as I conceive it the Ministers duty to fit his publique Prayers so as they may be most for publique use , so I conceive it fit likewise , that the Congregation be well acquainted with both the matter and order of them , that both the one and the other may engage with the greater fervency , because they all know , how neerly they are concerned in it ; and can all joyfully say Amen unto it . And to give me thy thoughts in this particular , I say , that as the Example of those who have attempted this unpremeditated way could never incourage me to attempt the like , so neither have the Arguments which they urge against this premeditate way of Prayer prevailed so far with me , as to make me change my minde . section 21 But now as to mine own particular , I shall say thus much , That I have formerly made use of the same Prayer in Congregations far more judicious and numerous then is that of Box , yet I could never hear any thing taxed in it , as misbeseeming or ridiculous : No nor at Box neither , unlesse it were by William Pinchin , and Obadiah Cheltenham , or such like , who may have the impudence to dislike what they have not the grace to practice . Nay , even at Box , I am confident of it , Obadiah Cheltenham may go throughout the whole Parish , and be so far from finding Boye , or Boyes that laugh at it , as that he shall not finde any one that remembers so much as three lines of it : And therefore I look upon this as a double slander , against the Boyes and my self . section 22 It was at this time and place likewise that Obadiah Cheltenham prompted Thomas Powell another Witnesse , to inform , That I had preached unprofitable Doctrine ; what it was , we shall have when we come to Tho. Powels Deposition . And doubtlesse , Obadiah Cheltenham would have had the Commissioners believe , that there was nothing but good meaning in all this ; that the desire of his heart , and his utmost aims were , that they might be fed with Food both wholsome and convenient for them ; and therefore I must be represented as an unprofitable Teacher , and so to be laid aside , so to usher in an expedience to these their Godly desires : But see now how the event hath bewraid all . Mr. Stern hath lately told me , that these men , William Pinchin , and Obadiah Cheltenham , invite him to Box with much importunity , and many promises , even beseeching him to come and preach Christ among them , of which for a long time they said that they had a great want ; and therefore ( like the man of Macedonia in Paul's Vision ) they pray him to come unto them and help them : But ( said he ) all this was but for some Interest of their own , their gain ( belike ) being their godlinesse ; William Pinchin of late coming but seldome to Church , and Obadiah Cheltenham being ( as 't is said ) a frequenter of the Meetings of the Anabaptists . section 23 Next comes Thomas Powel , and deposeth , That sometimes , till within Four years past , he have seen Mr Bushnell in Raynalds and Baylies Alehouses in Box , but knowes not what drew him thither : but never saw him drink to excesse . And saith , That till within three or four years past , Mr. Bushnell have baptized by the Form of Common Prayer . And that about two years since , Mr. Bushnell preaching against Malice , said , That Malicious persons were the Devils Nymphs , and wished them with him for their wages . section 24 To which I shall say , that if Thomas Powel had been then demanded when he had been last at Rainalds , he would have been made confesse that he had not been there in six years before , and therefore possibly he could not see me there within four year . But now whereas he adds , he knew not what businesse drew me thither , I doubt me that he wilfully forgets himself , for he cannot but remember that the businesse which once drew me to Baylies , was his own ; to compose a difference then depending betwixt himself , and a Neighbour whom he then maliciously and spitefully prosecuted , about which we spent the greater part of the night : and I believe that he cannot forget that the businesse which drew me to Bailies at another time was to beg relief for Marlburrough , where on the Lords Day we found him sitting at a Table with a Jug before him : when and where with some adoe he bountifully advanced a Groat towards that charitable work ; which was not so much as we received from some who lived in the Church-house , and received Alms of our Monethly Collection : Nor had our Benevolence to Marlburrough , amounted so high as it did , unlesse some amongst us had been far more liberall then Thomas Powel was . Now I cannot readily remember that I ever saw Tho. Powel at Baylies but only at those times . section 25 And since I have on this occasion mentioned Marlburrough , I must tell thee , that some of that place ( such whom I believe had their share in the Dividend ) have since made me but a very sorry requitall , either for my pains for them , or my Charity towards them . I little thought it , when I went about from house to house throughout our whole Parish and Tythings , for severall dayes together , with much importunity too , to beg for Marlburrough , that Marlburrough men , ( within three years after , sitting in their stately houses , built at the Countreys and other mens Charges ) should be with the first that should turn me out of dores : That those who ( had it not been for the Benevolence of the Countrey , which was much advanced by the industry of the Ministers ) might have sate without dores , should with a breath leave us in as sad or a sadder condition then the fire left them . And thus much will I say more as to mine own particular , that my Purse as well as my Pains went very far for them , for they received more from me , and my little Family then from all those 22 whom they countenanced and encouraged to swear against me : I recorded it in our Parish Register Book , both the sum which was collected for them , as also the names of the persons who bestowed their pains in Collecting of it . Which one of the Marlburrough men , ( Mr. Tho. Bayly perusing the Register Book ) noted , how he liked it I know not , perchance not so well . I have read of those of that disposition , that being once aloft , cannot endure to be told that ever they went , or sent a begging ; but when they were on their leggs again , their main Endeavours should be to remove or crush them who lifted them up , for fear it should be known that they had been down . Now whether I incur'd the Marlburrough mens displeasure in being so saucie as to commit their ( sometime ) indigent and begging condition to Posterity , ( they though most willing to receive , yet as unwilling to be told of it ) I will not judge . I have not now our Register Book at command , but for want of that let these Papers remain as a record to testifie to the present and future times how these Marlburrough men have requited me . section 26 But to return , the next thing in Powel's Deposition is , That he never saw me drink to excesse : Which I shall desire the Reader to keep in his memory till the Transactions of the next day . Next he swears , That till within this three or four years , Mr. Bushnell have baptized by the Form of Common Prayer . To which I shall reply only this , that as this was nothing to the Ordinance by which these Commissioners sate and acted , so it was more then Thomas Powel knew , for he was a man that seldome came to Church , nor do I remember that I ever saw him stay the time during the Administration of that Sacrament : For present I shall desire thee to observe how Thomas Powel treads in William Pinchins track , and swears as if he had taught him his Lesson . section 27 The next branch in his Deposition , is , That about two years since , Mr. Bushnell preaching against Malice , said , That Malicious persons were the Devils Nymphs , and wished them with him for their wages . And where lies the matter of Charge here ? or to what Article doth this Deposition refer ? Is Malice become a Vertue ? and if a Vice , is it so rare in the Land , that it is unseasonable to reprove it ? And what have we next ? I said that Malicious persons were the Devils Nymphs : Risum teneatis — Indeed I could not forbear , which doubtlesse ( had he seen it ) would have much offended Mr. Byfield , as he was on the like occasion at another time . The Clerk , as wondering at the Expressions , for some time withheld his hand , belike , conceiving that Tho. Powel might mistake , but he continuing earnest , and often iterating those words , Nymphs , Nymphs , the Clerk enters it accordingly . Doubtlesse , Tho. Powel conceived these to be some stabbing words , he was so zealous for them ; and yet to any understanding man they will not amount to any Charge , unlesse it be of simplicity , falshood , or malice in the Reporter of them . For 1. Few that know me will believe it , that I should ever say so . And 2. In case I had said so , the most that I could have been charged with , had been impropriety or incongruity of speech , although we read of the Devils Children often , yet of his Nymphs never , untill in Thomas Powels Deposition . Give me leave to adventure my conjecture how this might come to passe . I told thee a little before , that Tho. Powel in his Depositions did tread in William Pinchins steps , I doubt me that he had William Pinchin for his tutor here , and that he taught him to say , that I had said that malicious persons were the Devils Imps ; which Thomas Powel misapprehending , or remembring , might swear that I said , Malicious persons were the Devils Nymphs . I have read of a Guide , that by mistaking Casilinum for Casinum was likely to have hazarded Hannibals whole Army . What hazard Thomas Powel hath brought upon his soul by this , I leave it to him who will one day call vain and unadvised Swearers , much more false Swearers to an account . section 28 And although at first I smiled at the ridiculousnesse of the Expressions , yet afterward considering that Thomas Powel was upon his Oath , and so bound by that Sacred tie , where●n our great God was called in as a witnesse to the truth , and consequently an Avenger if he spake false ; and he bound to speak the truth , the whole truth , and nothing but the truth , should then depose such words as spoken by ●e which never were spoken , and I believe , ●ooked on by many even of the Commissiners themselves as even impossible to be true , I say ●hat this did much sadden my spirit ; and sorry ● am that it was so much or no more looked upon ●y these Commissioners : But indeed , ( con●idering what kinde of Testimonies they re●eived against me , as likewise what use they made of those Testimonies ) I much doubt it ●hat they made use of such Testimonies against ●e , which they in their Consciences knew to be ●alse . And this they might doe , ( although without Equity or Conscience , yet ) not without presidents , such as they are , both from the Old and the New Testament ; but me thinks , the Example and the Ends of these men , are enough to frighten any others to adventure the same ●ray . Hast thou marked the Old way which wic●ed men have troden ? section 29 I have often proposed it unto my self , what , and when , and where any words should ●e spoken by me which Thomas Powel could ●rest to such a sense ; at length I lighted upon this conjecture , wherein , from some words which Thomas Powel hath formerly let fall in some company , I am confirmed . Some yea● past ( I am sure more then two twice told ) took for my Text those words of our Bless● Saviour , Math. 12.32 . But whosoever speake● against the Holy Ghost , it shall not be forgiven hi● neither in this world , nor in the world to com● Where , having told them the usual definit● of this sin unto death ; towards the conclusio● of my discourse , by way of Caveat , I advise● my Hearers , that as they desired not to co●● at it , so neither to come neer it , no nor s● much as toward it neither : In order whereunto , after severall other Caveats , I told them , th● men must take heed of raising and reporting malicious slanders ; such which their own Consciences cannot but tell them are false , and yet so●● base by-respect will put them on both to report an● justifie them : Adding further , that a man migh● come towards this sin against the Holy Ghost by slandering , or maliciously reporting a known falshoo● of but a Man : For I had told them before that the sin against the Holy Ghost , was not s● called because it was against the person of th● Holy Ghost , but because it was against thos● Graces whereof the Blessed Spirit by way o● Appropriation is said to be the author or give● which I cleerly manifested unto them from the case in the Text ; for otherwise with what congruity could our Blessed Saviour have no● taxed them with this sin , when as their Malicious slanders were against himself ? 'T is without doubt that these Pharisees with whom our Blessed Saviour had now to doe came neer●t ●t . And therefore they came neer it ( Peter●alls ●alls it a resisting of the Holy Ghost ) because ●hat wilfully and wickedly , against Knowledge , ●nd against Conscience , they contemned his per●●n , reproached his Life , Miracles , Doctrine , and ●bo●●ed the multitude to believe and report such 〈◊〉 of him which they themselves must needs 〈◊〉 were both false and slanderous : And all this ●or the carrying on of their hypocriticall pomp , ●nd vulger esteem . After which I added , that ●uch who are busie to suggest false reports of ●en , and are desirous to publish such things ●f them which they know are false , on pur●ose to make them odious , that they may the ●●tter compasse some base end of their own , ●nd make no conscience of what they report , ●ut only labour that they may get credit to it , ●●ch men as these are in that way which lead●th to that sin , which is the sin which shall ●t be forgiven . And indeed such men do so ●roperly perform the Devils work ( for he is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Calumniator , a Malicious slanderer ) ●●t it is the great pity or mercy of God , that ●●ey are not with him for their Wages . This was the sum of the Discourse which I ●ade upon that part : And if I shall be con●●nced of any thing therein as contrary to and Doctrine or good Manners , as containing any ●●ing false or unseasonable , I shall most willingly ●tract it ; and be beholding to the man that shall ●struct me better : Till then I shall remain in the same minde as formerly I was , but sha● not cease to wonder at some body , ( and considering that it was the wickednesse of th● Pharisees which occasioned this Discourse , ● likewise considering the end which in likely hood hath befaln them for this wickednesse I say considering these things , I cannot b● wonder at some body , as Cicero did at Mar. Anthony , I wonder at thee Anthony that thou d● not tremble at those mens ends whose Actions th● dost imitate . section 30 I must trouble thy patience a little furthe● about this same Tho. Powel : I have alread● told thee what I spake , as likewise the occasion upon which I spake it : But now wh● should Thomas Powel take this amiss , and kee● it so long in his minde , and article again●● me for preaching against Malice ? 'T is we● known , that ( if deducible by good consequence from the Text ) I was as plain , and a high against others as against the Malicious was Malice at this time Tho. Powels Herodi●s ▪ This it is for a man to have a guilty Conscienc● about him : He confesseth himself guilty o● the crime by his fretting and storming at th● reproof . I can cleerly say , that my Pulpit Reproofs were far from particularising of person● yet I shall give thee another conjecture , upo● which Thomas Powel might imagine that b● that discourse after an especiall manner I aime● at him . section 31 About the year 1651. there happened some difference betwixt this Thomas Powel and Robert Raynalds the Clark of the Parish ; the section 24 person whom I said that this Thomas Powel maliciously and spitefully prosecuted . Of him Thomas Powel complains , and before some Justices of the Peace takes his Oath , or procures William Cottle to swear it , that Rainalds had sold Beer on the Lords day , as likewise by Vnlawfull Measures . Here I shall desire thee to observe , 1. That he neglects our own Neighbouring Justices , and makes his complaint before Justices of another Division . 2. This Oath was meerly upon Hear-say . 3. That the complaint is only against him that sold , no mention made of him or them that bought . I shall have nothing to say touching the first of these : But now as to the Second , that this Oath was only on Hear-say , I am confident that Tho. Powel dares not say that he saw it , or knew of it , but only by report : And here William Pinchin and Tho. Powel concur again : William Pinchin swears touching things done at Box , when as he was then at Broughton , and William Cottle or Thomas Powel swear of selling of Ale at Rainalds , whenas perchance they were abroad at some other Alehouse , or asleep at home . But now as to the third thing : If he knew that Robert Rainalds sold Ale on the Lords day , then must he needs know who bought it likewise , and how comes it that there is no mention made of him or them ? There is a penalty to the one as well as to the other , and I take it , the like penalty to the one as to the other . And had it been pure zeal , and zeal like Phinehas , they had been pares in peccato , equall in the offence , so Thomas Powel would have made them like Zimri and Cozbi pares in poena , equall in the punishment . Nay further , I am sure that it will be made appear , that to Thomas Powels knowledge others have sold Ale on that day , as well as Rainalds , yea and by as small Measures , yea and that Thomas Powel hath been at the drinking of it , yea and hath paid part of the Reckoning ; and yet we have not one word from Thomas Powel of this : And how comes he to be so zealous for the Lords day , and lawfull measures now ? Certainly not out of any regard he had either to the one or the other , but to satisfie his own leven'd spleen , in doing Rainalds a discourtesie . This same partial indirect information was among the Heathen accounted most unjust and unworthy : Quis hoc statuit , quod equum sit in Quintium , id iniquum esse in Nevium ? But now amo●gst the people of God ( if proceeding from a wrong ground in the informer , as Envy , Malice , or the like , or looking towards a wrong end , as benefit to himself , or revenge or mischief towards him against whom he gives the information ) it was accounted a lye , although the Informer had spoken nothing but the truth . And when it shall be upon Oath that a man affirms so , I doubt not but that as he who speaks so , speaks falsly , so he that swears so , swears falsly . Omnino idem sit accedente juramento Perjurium , quod est in nuda pollicitatione Mendacium . section 32 Now possibly I might thus discourse on th●se words , neer about the time that these differences depended betwixt Tho. Powel and his Neighbour , and Thomas Powel ( for Hypocrites are very touchie ) might cut his own heart with them ; his conscious breast giving him that when I reproved the fault , I meant him , and might watch for an opportunity ( for Hypocrites are very revengefull ) to do me some displeasure . This I remember , when there was a Jurie at Chippenham imployed to enquire touching Ministers , and the value of their Livings , this Thomas Powel and William Pinchin , and another Miller , I think they cal'd him Stanmore , were as I heard very busie about me , but then they had not Commissioners which were for their turns , and therefore as to my prejudice they did nothing . But since Thomas Powel makes this an Article against me , That I preached against Malice , and said that Malicious persons were the Devils Nymphs , I must needs conclude him to be guilty of the crime ; and I shall tell him further , that I have read of such a one , ( yea and a good one too ) heretofore . Master , thus saying , thou reproachest us also : where you may observe that the Lawyer freely acknowledgeth himself guilty of those crimes which our Blessed Saviour there reproves ; and yet the impudent proud thing counts himself slandered or reproached in that he is told of them . section 33 We have no more to say touching the Depositions which were taken at this time : But yet for a Conclusion to the Transactions of this day , give me leave to observe a few things unto thee . 1. That the Deposition of Mary Workman , who was examined upon all the Articles , and that Deposition carefully taken , ( for said Mr. Blisset , she was a Midwife , and so might know much ) is wholly left out . section 19 2. I told thee before that Obadiah Cheltenham then thwarted with a witnesse which was this Mary Workman , he then affirming when she had denyed it , that I had within a quarter of a year , signed two Children with the sign of the Crosse , she holding them in her arms ; which he said were the Children of Mr. Speke , and Mr. Snell . This made the poor woman amazed , considering that Obadiah Cheltenham being sworn with her self but a little before to speak the truth , the whole truth , and nothing but the truth ; and she rightly conceiving that the same Oath bound him still all the while he was before these Commissioners , and speaking to my businesse , I say it made her amazed , that he should swear that I signed two Children within a quarter of a year , when as one of those Children , Mr. Speke's was Baptized Octob : 28. 1653. and almost a year older then the Ordinance by which these Commissioners sate and acted . Another Circumstance for Mr. Blisset . section 34 Nor must it be forgotten , that at such time as William Pinchin was giving in his Testimony touching my use of the Form of Common Prayer , he having informed that I began with the Lords Prayer , and afterward read some Psalms , Mr. Byfield asks him whether after the end of the Psalms , I said , Glory be to the Father , and to the Son , and to the Holy Ghost . He then asked likewise whether ( after I had Baptized Children ) I said , Forasmuch as this Childe is regenerate . I remember not what Answer William Pinchin made to one or other . But to me Mr. Byfield seems to intimate by his Questions , that it should have been matter of Charge against me if I had used either . I assure thee Reader that this made me wonder : And what may there be in that Doxology that should offend Mr. Byfield ? the thing it self ? and is it a crime to give glory to the Blessed Trinity ? or will he be angry with us because we say as the Heavenly Host did , Glory to God in the Highest ? Were we not all Baptized in the Name of the Father , and of the Son , and of the Holy Ghost ? Which I conceive to mean more then Beza's Invocato nomine Dei Patris , &c. and to import as much as to devote our selves unto , or to resign our selves up to the service of the Blessed Trinity : And are we charged for this , that we now make publique profession of it ? or was it disliked by him because looked upon now as altogether uselesse , it being composed by the Council of Nice , in confutation of the Heresie of Arrius ? But now what if I should prove it to be more ancient then that Council , and formerly put to another use , and that those Fathers did not so much constitute as quote it : and quote it thereby to overthrow the Blasphemy of the Arrian , because it was contrary to that Doxology , which was appointed in the Apostolical and Primitive times ? But yet admitting that Heresie to have been the cause of it , is it therefore now a crime , such a crime as may deserve ejectment to continue it ? is our Field , our Church so free from those Tares ? is the Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity so sincerely taught and believed , and so unanimously ? Tell me , you Reformers have you never since you began your Reformation , heard of some that have pluckt off no lesse then two of three of the persons of the Blessed Trinity ? stripping one of his Being , another of his Deity ? and indeed had I not found it by experience , I should not have believed it , that the use of this Doxology should be imputed to a Minister as a crime , or that a man should be reputed scandalous for this , because he made publique profession that he was no Arrian . section 35 And as touching Mr. Byfields next Query , Whether I said forasmuch as this Childe is regenerate ? I answer , that I believe that Mr. Byfield had small minde to ingage himself or me in any of the publique Schools on that Question touching Baptismal Regeneration , possibly he might have read what Dr. Burges and Mr. Bedford have said upon the same Argument ; yea even Mr. Baxter himself doubts not but that Baptisme is an Instrument of relative Regeneration and Sanctification . But to put this matter ( as to Mr. Byfield ) out of doubt . In that Confession of Faith set out by the Assembly ( whereunto there was no doubt , Mr. Byfields consent and approbation as well as his hand ) we have these words : Baptisme is a Sacrament of the New Testament , ordained by Jesus Christ , not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the Visible Church , but also to be unto him a Sign and Seal of the Covenant of Grace , of his ingrafting into Christ , of Regeneration . Doth Mr. Byfield under his hand acknowledge it to be a Sign , and Seal of Regeneration , and yet is it in his judgement a crime in me to say so ? If it be among men , when once a man hath put to his Sign and Seal , the person so ingaging , as to all purposes and Covenants expressed in that Instrument , stands obliged to make them good : and the person to whom the Grant is made , will from that day rest himself assured of his Bargain , because he hath it under hand and Seal . And dares any say that the Covenant of God is not Authentick , when as he hath put his Sign and Seal to it ? and if it be Authentick , can it be a fault in a Minister to publish so much ? I shall sum up all into an Argument thus : Baptisme is a Sign and Seal of Regeneration to Infants , of Believing Parents : But the Childe or Children by me Baptized were such : Therefore it is a Sign , and Seal of Regeneration to them . Mr. Byfield hath under his hand acknowledged the major Proposition , and the minor he dares not deny ; and yet he was angry with me for inferring and pronouncing the Conclusion . Certainly his Spleen conceived against the Liturgy , had now so far prevailed upon him , that in his Passion he forgets what he had formerly written and published for Orthodox . So that me thinks Mr. Byfield might have then done as did one of whom I have heard heretofore , who stiffly denying a thing wherewith he was charged , and after being convicted of the truth of that Charge by a Writing under his own hand , fell to smite and complain of his Head in some such upbraiding words as these , Why Head , Head , Head , hast thou forgotten what thy Hands have wrote . section 36 But I shall put an end to the Transactions of this day , desiring the Reader to observe only this , that as we were leaving the Room about Eleven or Twelve of the Clock at night , William Pinchin and Obadiah Cheltenham delivered in a Paper to one of the Commissioners , which ( as we guessed by the Sequel ) contained either that they had other matter of Charge , or else some other Witnesses which they desired might be heard against me . The Transactions at my Third time of appearing before them at the White Hart in Marlburrough , May 8. and 9. 1656. section 1 SHortly after my being at Lavington , there came a piece of Paper unto me in these words : Mr. BUSHNELL , YOu are hereby required to take notice , that the Commissioners for Ejecting Scandalous Ministers , have appointed their next meeting at the Sign of the White Hart in Marlburrough , to be holden on Thursday the 8 of May next , by Nine of the Clock in the Forenoon ; when and where they expect and require your appearance before them , with your Witnesses for your defense to receive their judgment according to ●he demerit of your Causes . For Mr. Walter Bushnell Minister of Box , these . 29 of April , 1656. Signed in the Name and by the Order of the Commissioners , by me Will Blisset . section 2 In order whereunto I repair unto Malburrough , where I find at the White Hart a very great appearance . For the Common-wealth , summoned in by the procurement of William Pinchin , there appeared ( besides William Pinchin ) Thomas Powel , William Clement , Nicholas Spencer , John Cottle , William Rawlin's , Thomas Steven's , Anthony Balden , William Cottle of Rudl●…oe , Henry Harris , John Harding , ( Obadiah Cheltenham being gone thence for London that morning ) These being all sworn , were required to speak to the Articles . But before any deposition was taken , Mr. Byfield made a motion that all my Witnesses ( for I had many at that time there ) might be withdrawn or turned out , whiles the Witnesses for the Common-wealth were in examination ; giving this reason , That it was not meet that they should bear what the other Witnesses testified . Not meet indeed , for they would have noted and remembred many of their Contradictions and Perjuries , which Mr. Byfield would not that they should be publique . This man in his proceedings desiring to be as close and as just as the Inquisition . This motion of his was soon condescended unto , and accordingly put in pract●ce : he had before taken order that I should have no copy of their depositions , from the Clerk ; which order was so strictly observed , that ( which was strange ) even money would not procure it ; and here he takes a course that we shall not hear them from their mouths . But now when my Witnesses came to be examined , the others were permitted to stay still , yea and encouraged to contradict , controll , except against , and turn back whom they pleased ; of which the Reader shall have more hereafter . section 3 The leading men at this time were William Pinchin and Tho. Powell , who ( for in the Clerks Copy they are both yoked together ) depose thus , That about seven years since Mr. Bushnell drank so hard upon the Lord's day ( as they the● conceived ) that when he was at Church he could scarcely read plain and distinctly , and John Jones and Lawrence Pinchin came from his house with him . section 4 Where I shall offer to thy consideration : 1. That whereas Thomas Powell swore formerly in William Pinchin's track , here they swear in a breast together . 2. That they had both sworn before that they never saw me drunk , or drinking to excess , and yet now upon the matter , and by consequence they depose it . 3. That this their deposition is grounded meerly upon conjecture , neither of them seeing me drink a drop . Let us next see the Reasons or grounds which moved them thus to conceit . 1. When I was at Church I could scarcely read 〈◊〉 . 2. That John Jones , and Lawrence Pinchin came from my house with me . section 5 As to the first [ When I was at Church I could ●●nce read plain ] and could no body observe this but Thomas Powell and William Pinchin ? by ●hat I have charged them with , and proved upon them in the Transactions of the former ●ay , these two must needs appear , ( to such as ●re of honesty or discretion ) to be very unfit men ●nd incompetent Witnesses against me , much ●esse to be ring leaders to the rest . I am con●ident that there were more at Church at that ●ime as well as they , and such as were as at●●●tive and sate as neer as they ; and how comes ●t about that William Pinchin could find no ●●earing mate but Tho. Powel ? This may be the reason of it , Thomas Powell had the last ●ay approved himself to be a very hopeful Scholler , and having then deposed , that about 〈◊〉 years since , I said , that Malicious persons were ●he Devils Nimphs ; he might well depose now ●hat about seven years since I could scarcely read ●im ; And yet should I ask them , what Chapter or Psalm it was , or in what words I faulterred , I believe ( for all their good memories ) they would say that they could not remember it : if the faultering had been often , the Congregation must needs have noted it ; and ● but once , how come they to forget what it was ? And in such cases I conceive it necess●ry that depositions and examinations should ●●scend to perticulars , and as they had charg●● me with indistinct reading , so ought they ● have given instance wherein I faild . If the● had charged me with Treasonable words , ● Lascivious debosht speeches , it would ha●● been demanded , But what were those words ● What were those speeches ? I told thee 〈◊〉 long since what an excellent faculty Th●● Powell had to remember , when he came ● perticulars ; and I believe that at this tim● ( had they been urged to it ) we should ha●● had some such wise answer now as we ha●● then ; it was at this time that William Pinc●●● informs upon Oath that I had used some ● the Common-Prayer at the Thanksgiving for 〈◊〉 Wife ; and being asked what I said , he answered , that I prayed that the Moon shoul● not burn her by day , nor the Sun by night doubtless this man remembers himself accordingly as he teacheth Tho. Powell . section 6 But Farther , in case I read not plain , th● cause might not be in me , but in the boo●● wherein there are many Typographical Error● some of which I might unexpectedly light o● It might proceed likewise from dimness 〈◊〉 sight , darkness of the afternoon , or fro● many causes beside . But if they will need have it that he who reads indistinctly must undoubtedly have drank hard before , I shal● ●rom their Antecedent infer this conclusion , That their man since at Box never came to Church sober , for I have heard from some of ●he place that he hath not read a Chapter 〈◊〉 and distinctly since he came among ●hem . section 7 And to what end is this added that John ●●●es , and Lawrence Pinchin came from my ●ouse with me ? The one is my Vncle , the ●ther my Brother in Law ; living both in Corsham Parish , a Parish next adjoyning . Touching whose behaviour if you enquire of their neigh●ours , I believe you shall be answered , that it ● sober and civill ; unless William Pinchin or ●ome such like seduce them into their compa●y . And as touching the occasion which ●rew them thither , I am confident that it ●as far more warrantable then what hath ●rawn William Pinchin on Lords days to Brough●● , or Thomas Powell ( on the same day too ) to ●n Alehouse at Corsham . I am apt to think that ● main reason ( besides his malice ) which moved William Pinchin to swear that there was hard ●rinking at my house , was this , because it is his ●sual custom to do so at his own ; for I can ●ake it appear unto thee ▪ that this William ●inchin together with no lesse then four of those ●ho have appeared against me , have at his ●ouse from Saturday night till ●unday morning , ●ate up drinking and singing , dancing and quar●●ling , insomuch that William Pinchin conducted his Neighbour Cheltenham on his wa● homeward , belike for fear he should be assaulted . section 8 There was at this time another clause ● their joynt Deposition , as rational as th● former , and it was this : That when John Jon●● and Lawrence Pinchin came to Church they 〈◊〉 high colours . Whether this clause were eve● taken , or whether Index Expurgatorius hat● dasht it out , I cannot say . But of this I a●sure that some discourse there was about ● in my hearing , while the Depositions were ● taking : and as I have heard among the Co●missioners after they had dined , when an● where it was observed that some of them ( havin● feasted themselves belike at the cost of Incide●● charges ) had very high colours : and this migh● be the cause why this branch should be 〈◊〉 off , because that from this dangerous Topick the same conclusion might be drawn again●● some of themselves . But now as touchi●● John Jones and Lawrence Pinchin ( admittin● it were as they swore yet ) their colours coul● be no argument of their hard drinking , fo● they that know them , seldom see them other wise , but at all times and seasons , high coloured and ruddy . If arguments may be deduced from complexions , I should then hav● argued with Mr. Byfield , That if ruddy complexions be a competent medium to prove excessive drinking , in them that look so ; then , that pale , wand , livery countenances were a competent medium to prove an excesse of envy or malice in them that look so . section 9 Next comes William Pinchin alone in these words , And this Deponent Pinchin saith farther , That about five or six years since , Mr. Bushnel was at a Stabbal match with Mr. Edward Long and others , when they came to Rainalds Alehouse aforesaid ( this deponent being one of the company ) and there they drank very hard , and healths were put round , and Mr. Bushnell drank them with his H●t of , and did then drink excessively as this Depo●●●t conceives . section 10 Where first I shal desire thee to observe that William Pinchin in this Deposition seems to contradict what he had sworn before . There he swears that he cannot say that he ever saw me drunk ; and yet now that about five or six years ag●ne in his company I drank exc●ssively , which is as much as if he had sworne I was drunk . T is like enough he may say ( t is usual for him so to do ) that at that time he did not mind it ; but since searching and bestir●ing of his memory , he hath by recollecting of himself recovered it , and can depose accordingly ; and now give me leave to tell thee ( for this was not the first time that he made use of it ) of the strange faculty of this man ; to see what gradations and pauses he makes in his Depositions , how he remembers best at a distance ! how he m●●ds himself in his recollections , and can swear more punctually of a thing done many years agone , then he could when it was but newly acted , and this is remarkable , that his second thoughts , his roused Oathes , are most pernicious : he never swearing so desperately as when he hath most bethought himself , which will give any intelligent man cause to think , that what he deposeth in the second or third place , he doth not remember , but invent . section 11 I shall instance touching this man , in a particular besides my own , in the year 1646. he swore before the Committee of Wilts , sitting then at Marlborough that he had heard that Mr. Speke ro●● in Arms in the Kings Quarters ; but in the year 1656. he swears before some Commissioners sitting at the Devizes , that he had seen Mr. Speke ride armed in a Troop of the Kings part , along by his Fathers house ; which clause of the Deposition riding Armed in the Troop must needs refer to some time before the year 1646. Then he could depose only that he Heard of such a thing ; but ten years after he can depose that he Saw it , which he swears accordingly . Touching which Deposition although the Gent. suffered some prejudice in his Estate , but more in his thoughts , yet he seemed to be of the same mind , as an Eminent Knight once was , who being falsly accused upon Oath , replies , that he was more sorry for the witnesse his perjury , then he was for his own danger . This Gent. Mr. George Speke ( although he freely forgave him , and prayed that God would forgive him likewise , yet ) even to his dying day often protested , and by such strong asseverations , wherein he called God to witnesse , ( which amounts to a voluntary Oath ) that VVilliam Pinchin had sworne falsly against him . section 12 This and some such like passages gave a Countrey farmer ( as I have heard ) occasion to say , that VVilliam Pinchin in his Depositions did usually fetch Trip , it is like that his allusion might be to running Leapers ; with whom it is not usual to do their best at first , but they assay again and again , and in their latter ever striving to out do the former , in order whereunto they fetch the larger or swifter Trip. Now observe how VVilliam Pinchin observes this method in his swearing . 1. Against Mr. Speke , against whom he sweares , first , That he had Heard that he rode in Armes ; but now this would not carry it , nor reach the mark at which he aimed , and therefore the next time he fetcheth a swifter Trip , and swears that he Saw it . The like against me at Lavington , he swears , that although he hath seen me drinking yet he could not say that ever he saw me drunk , but now this Oath was not mortal , nor did it cleave the hair ; and therefore he fetcheth a swifter Trip at Malburrough , and swears that he conceives that I drank to exceess in his company . He would have made the Commissioners believe at their last sitting at Lavington that he had sworne farther yet , and that the Clerk had not taken it ; but the Clerk offering to depose that after he had in private a perusal of the depositions , with a power to add , alter , or amend what he pleased ( for this was a favour which was shewen them ) and that VVilliam Pinchin had left it as the Clerk had enterred it , there was an end put to his leaping or fetching Trip any more . section 13 And now methinks VVilliam Pinchin shews himself like such a witness which the chief Priests and Elders sought for heretofore , and could not find ; for after their utmost search t is said of theirs that neither so did their witness agree together ; which disagreement , or inequality , or imparity of their testimony , I conceive lay not so much or only in this that they thwarted one with another : ( For St. Mark reports both the Witnesses as testifying the same thing ) as it lay in this that take it at most , and stretch it out to the utmost , yet that it did not reach unto , but fell short of the thing which the chief Priests and Elders aimed at , and that was to put our Blessed Saviour to death ; for these righteous men knew that all which hitherto been testified would not before Pilate amount to so much as to make him worthy of death , and therefore it is said , that neither so was their witness You Equalis , par , or conveniens : not equal , or alike , or agreeing , because it was not answerable to the desires and designes of the chief Priests and Elders . But notwithstanding they had testified beside , against , beyond the truth , yet they still came short of the suborners malice . Now in such a case VVilliam Pinchin would have fetcht trip ; and if he had fallen short at one time , his memory should have served him , and he would have reacht it at the next . So that his former Oaths did upon the matter make him finde his legs , or give him aime how to cleave the pin , having been wide , short , or over shot before . And here let me observe this unto thee , touching such who swear out of malice , & such who swear for a reward . They both agree in this , that neither the one , nor the other regards the truth ; but the mal●cious swears any thing that will do a mischief ; the hireling any thing that he is taught : the first looks upon the penalty of the Law , and swears not the truth , but whatsoever shall render a man obnoxious ; the other looks upon the reward , and swears ( not the truth neither , but ) any thing which may procure his wages ; nor is it unusuall but that he who hath so much malice as to swear falsly himself , will find so much money or somewhat aequivalent , which shall prevail with some other so far as to swear as he would have him . It being commonly seen that the malicious murderous spirits bail the Hook , for the greedy and hungry to bite at and swallow . Of this the Reader shall have examples in this VVilliam Pinchin and others hereafter , as they fall in their proper place section 14 But let us descend to particulars and take VVilliam Pinchins Deposition apart . 1. He deposeth that I was at a Stabbal match with Mr. Long , and others . 2. That afterward we came to Rainalds Ale-house . 3. That he was one of the Company . 4. That there they drank very hard . 5. That healths were put round , and that I drank them with my Hat off , &c. As touching the first of these , if by being at a Stabbal match , his meaning be , that I was a Spectator there , then it might be true : if his meaning be , that I was there as a Gamester , then it was false . And what a crime it is to be there as a looker on , ( or indeed as making one in the recreation ) I am yet to learn. Those that there plaid were Gentlemen of as good rank and repute as were most in those neighbouring parts ; and there they sometimes met to recreate themselves at that Exercise , it being an usual game in that place ; and it is like enough that it might be their pleasure to send to me , being of their ancient acquaintance , as having been born and breed among them ; brought up at the same time , at the same School with them ; and afterwards at the same time with some of them at the same Vniversity ; upon which accounts thither I might come , and be then and there a looker on . And yet all this , ( by their leave ) with far lesse just cause of scandal or disrepute to my profession , then to be at Markets or Fairs , buying and selling , chopping and changing , matching and measuring Colts and Horses , amongst jockeis and horse coursers . section 15 I add 2. That Mr. Edward Long might be then and there in the Company , and others likewise , but now how comes it about that some of those others are not expressed in particular as well as Mr. Long ? I must tell the Reader , that index Expurgatorius hath been here again ; for upon my crosse Examination , I desired that William Pinchin might be required to instance in some particulars , in some other persons beside , which were there with Mr. Long , my self , and et caetera , as conceiving it to be somewhat ridiculous that it should be informed , that Mr. Long should play at Stabbal with &c. or that &c. should come to Rainalds and drink healths with Hats off ; all know actus esse suppositorum , that it is the person that Acts , and not the species , or the individum vagum . To which William Pinchin answers , that besides Mr Long , my self , and &c. there were Mr. Ducket , and my Brother . This I desired might be taken and entred accordingly , and Mr. Chambers ( being then neer to the Clerk ) told me that it was so entred , and yet we see not one word of of it in the Depositions which we were to plead unto : And it is like enough that this was the reason why it was dasht out , Mr. Ducket and my Brother were both living , and shortly afterwards before these Commissioners ready to vindicate both themselves and me , and therefore it was requisite that they should be left out ; but now Mr. Long being dead ; and &c. no body , might be kept in as most competent pot Companions with me , for Mr. Long being not to be recalled , and &c. no where to be found , could not with any possibility be called upon , to speak any thing either for themselves or me . And here let me observe this unto thee , that as Companions in my intemperance they either quote such who are dead , and cannot speak , or if living , then are they such which they are resolved not to hear . I could willingly add something touching that Gentleman Mr. Long , this is the second time that ( in this business ) his name hath been in Question to his disrepute long after he was dead ; but they have not yet done him all the wrong that they intend , and therefore I shall suspend what I have to say of him , till we hear of him again . section 16 And as to the next thing , To Rainalds we might come . That was the house where these Gentlemen usually dined , and it is not impossible but that this Deponent might be in the Company . But now I shall add , as with reference to my self that that Clause [ of his being in the Company ] renders the following passages ( that I drank hard , that healths were put round , that I drank with my hat off , and then drank to Excess ) even impossible to be true . I remember that that ingenuous Knight Sir Tho. Moore observes it in Richard the Third , That Ambition and Malice had so far transported him , that in the contrivance of his designs , and the laying of his scene , he very far overshot himself in point of common discretion , and rational politie ; for ( saith he ) Richard pretending his bodie to be wasted with sorcery , and Witchcraft , he charges his Brothers wife the Queen as a Sorceress , and Shores wife as a Witch of her councel , for working this mischief towards him : Whereas ( sayes that observative Knight ) besides that the Queen was too wise to go about any such folly , yet if she would , of all others she would not have made Shores wife of her councel , whom of all women she most hated . Proportionably say I , If I had been at any time intemperately given , or so idely disposed as to dring too much , yet certainly this could never be where William Pinchin was ; I should not in any wise have made him my companion ; for since I had any right understanding of his conditions ( and that was in the year 1645. as I shall tell the more anon ) I discoverd a masse of such ingredients in him which were enough to denominate a man base and unworthy ; and these further confirmed to me , by continued and frequent , barbarous and base pranks and practises which had that influence upon me , that from that time ( as much as I could ) I shund his company , much more his familiarity or intimacy , finding in him too much of what might be detested or feared ; but nothing of that which might be desired or loved . And doth he now quote himself , together with Mr. Edward Long , and &c. to be both a witness and companion of my intemperance ? I have a confidence that those who well know both William Pinchin , and my self , will conclude , that there was no such thing , because VVilliam Pinchin sayes that he was then in the company . section 17 And observe next , whether he doth not swear like a jolly fellow indeed , as if his hand were in , That there they drank very hard , &c. this Deponent being one of the Company . From whence it must needs follow , That he himself likewise was one who drank very hard , that drank healths with his Hat off , and that drank to excess , and yet such is his malicious impudence , that he chargeth me of those crimes whereof he acknowledgeth himself to have been guilty of at the same time ; which is much worse then those worst of men , the Hypocritical Pharisees and Scribes ( the Godly of those times Mr. Chambers ) for these although justly convicted , and throughly shamed and silenced , yet that we read of , were neither guilty of , nor ever confest the crime whereof they accused the woman . I have read the Fable , I have read the Moral of it too ; but here we have an example of an envious man , who sticks not to pull out 〈◊〉 of his own eyes , so that his neighbour might lose both his ; in case that had been true which he informed ( which was most false ) yet in him it had been most false and base , because envy and malice put him upon it . But now what name is bad enough for it , if envy and malice did not only put him upon it to report , but to invent it likewise ? I have read and heard of those who have employed themselves , or been imployed by others , as spies , or decoyes to insinuate themselves into mens affections ; to mix with them in desperate designs , to like , to applaud and be with the formost of the Company , and all this , that they might afterward betray and accuse them . But this ( how ever practised , how ever countenanced ) imployment alwayes looked upon as unworthy a Christian , yea or of a man , although the end pretended be Safety or Security , or such which have the face of Good , and what such may expect , the Apostle tels us . But now of a man that should belie himself to mischief his neighbour , and swear falsly against himself , that there might be the more poison and venome in his acc●sation , of such an one I have not read beside William Pinchin . The man that cometh neerest to him ( as I remember ) is that Amalekite . In this there lies a difference : 1. That this Amalekite only speaks falsly of himselfe ; but William Pinchin sweare● falsly . 2. This Amalekite belies himself out of s●●● hopes of reward which he expected ; but William Pinchin swears falsly against himself that he may do some greater mischief towards me ▪ There is a passage in that story which the Commissioners might have then made very good use of ▪ David there takes him at his word , and accordingly proceeds against him in these words , Thy blood be upon thy head , for thy mouth hath testified against thee , and accordingly punisheth him as a Murtherer . So might the Commissioners ( for some of them were Justices of Peace ) have said to VVilliam Pinchin , Thy mouth hath testified against thy self ; thy punishment be therefore on thine head , and accordingly punished him as a Drunkard . If VVilliam Pinchins Oath were true , then his fact was punishable ; if false , then his perjury . section 18 But I shall not at present trouble the Reader any longer with VVilliam Pinchin ; the next that presents himself was Nicholas Spencer . And he being sworn , saith , That he hath been oft with Mr. Bushnel at Alehouses in Parish business , and not at other times , nor did he ever see him drink excessively . But saith , that there they met by accident , and then discoursed of Parish business . Prethee Reader , give me thy thoughts , Where lies the matter of charge in this Deposition ? He sayes we have there met by accident , I presume he means at Rainalds ; it is my likely as just occasions ( Robert Rainalds being Clerk of the Parish ) might draw me thither , as were those that drew him . section 19 Next comes VVilliam Clement , and he deposeth : That in the time of the wars he found Mr. Bushnell at Rainalds Alehouse : VVhen Rainalds told him that the King had lost a Garison to the Parliament ; at which Mr. Bushnell struck his breast , and said he was sorry for it . Although I see no matter of charge against me in this Deposition , unless it were scandalous to be Loyal , yet let me add something touching the person who thus deposed , and with what affections he did it . I shall therefore here give thee to know , that this VVilliam Clement is Father in Law to VVilliam Pinchin , and that VVilliam Pinchin hath had a great hand over him , and hath frightned ▪ him to do that which I believe hath troubled VVilliam Clement more then the taking of any Oath whatsoever ; of which thou shalt have more hereafter : for the present I shall only acquaint thee with what affections VVilliam Clement appeared against me , and afterward shall leave it to thee to Judge whether he had not some malicious and spiteful intentions which set him on work . Sometime after this VVilliam Clement meets with one Thomas Morley , of Swanswack neer Bath , whom ( contrary to his former use ) he bespeaks very fair , calling him Couzen , proffering him the Beer , that he was glad to see him , that he had been oftentimes coming to his house , or to some such purpose , but in the close , he fals to the business , which was , That the Minister of Box was not right , that they were resolved to out him that an especial witness which they had against him , was one Sanders who had done Thomas Morly some wrong [ That is , had broken open and robb'd his house ] but in regard that this Sanders was so material witness for their purpose , his request to him was , That Thomas Morly would not at that time appear against him , because that might very much impair the credit of that witness , whose Testimony was so useful . All that I shall now say touching this VVilliam Clement is only this , that be who laboured to stop another mans mouth from speaking a truth which might have been to my behoof , may rationally be conceived to open his owne mouth to report a falshood which might be to my prejudice . section 20 The Transactions of this day do now draw towards an end ; for although there be seven witnesses yet behind , viz. Anthony Balden , John Harding , John Cottle , VVilliam Rawlings , Thomas Stevens , Henry Harris , and VVilliam Cottle of Bud●●e for his mother ; yet these being sworn and examined upon the several Articles , had not one word to say to either ; which made one of the Commissioners in a kind of wonder to ask , Wherefore so many were summoned to appear having nothing to say ? I cannot but tell thee , that one of the witnesses whom I named but now , conceived that at that time we should have had an end of it , in regard that all that said any thing which signified any matter of charge against me were William Pinchin and Thomas Powel , and in regard again , that it was so manifest that what they spake , they spake out of malice ; which ( said he ) the Commissioners having more understanding then we , must needs perceive ; and so they did some of them , and one of them a Minister too , ( to the Doctors credit be it spoken ) reported it elsewhere . And yet w ch . is strange in this man , although he discovered their leaven , and so must know them to act from base principles , and with reference to a ●●se end ; yet he always vouchsafed to these men whom he knew thus to act , his favorable countenance and furtherance . I know that the comparison would be odious , and therefore I will make none , only let me observe thus much unto Dr. Chambers , That Pilate sought to discharge the person accused before him , because he perceived that they delivered him out of Envy ; and it is commendable in him : but now here we have one acknowledging that the prosecution of these witnesses proceeded from malice , and yet he backs and incourages the very worst of them to go on . section 21 It was at this time that I desired the Commissioners might have been informed upon Oath , what a manner of man William Pinchin had formerly been towards Grand-father in law , and Grand mother , Father and Mother , Father in Law , and Mother in Law , Vncle and Aunt , Brother and Sister ; and how barbarously he had used me , and what further mischief he had threatned against me , for no other cause that I can imagine , but only for entertaining , l●dging , relieving , clothing , furnishing with money his Father , Mother and Brother , when he had beaten them out of doors ; for I had a confidence that there were then amongst the Commissioners some Gentlemen of discretion , and conscience , who ( having a right understanding of his qualities and conditions , and being informed how he had been several times complained of , and convicted before several Justices of the Peace , of such horrid and barbarous crimes , as have scarcely been acted since Cain , and the Father of Canaan , and Absalom lived upon the Earth , ( All which I could then , and at this present can easily prove ) would never have taken him for a credible witnesse , or have countenanced him as an Informer , or Solicitor , no nor so much as looked on him , unless it had been in detestation . But now none more forward to withstand and oppose this then Dr. Chambers , who knew much of it to be true , but was not willing 't is like , that it should come to the knowledge of these Gent. for fear that he should thereby have lost so pretious a witness , or perhaps for fear that he should have heard something which would have neerly reflected on himself . This Doctor then acknowledging that there had been some small differences between them , praying that no more words might be made of it ; together with an intimation that all differences were now composed , or to some such purpose : In order whereunto William Pinchin produces a large Paper which he had then in readiness , written by himself , containing a large story of his own making , acknowledging that there had been some small differences among them ; that he had 500 l. with his Wife ; and that all was now composed and well ; or to that purpose . This Paper ( being solemnly delivered in ) was deliberately read by Mr. Blisset : That Mr. Blisset which would not then allow of cousening , and Cursing , and Paricide to be sufficient exceptions against him or any man in point of Testimony . These 't is like he looked on as Circumstances ; and to tell thee my mind , when I had observed the manner of their proceedings . I could not but think of those Elders and Nobles that condemned Naboth ; who ( notwithstanding that they knew the witnesses which appeared against him to be Sons of Belial , notwithstanding they knew them to be false Witnesses of their own making , yet ) passed sentence according to that false evidence which they themselves had put into the Witnesses mouths . But to return to the Paper , of all other passages I cannot forget this that he sayes . That now all differences were composed ; belike he means betwixt his Father and himself . And such another Certificate might Cain have framed and delivered in , and have said , that All was now sweetly composed , and there were new no differences remaining betwixt him and his Brother , for that he himself had murdered him some certain years before . That good old man William Pinchins Father was dead near three years before this time : and although I cannot but believe that God gathered him to his Grave in peace : ( so knowing what I know ) I cannot think otherwise but that this Son of his hastened his fall ; and so although the Father were there by the sooner with God , yet we may well think that the Son is the farther from him by it : it being usual for wicked Children , Brothers , and other wicked men to hasten Gods servants to him by those wayes and means by which they ruine themselves . And although our Lawes repute none Paricides but such who lay violent hands on their Parents , and by some blows and wounds give them some visible cause of death ; yet I doubt not , but that Divine Justice will look upon many for Paricides whom our Lawes do not reach ; nor see I any cause to doubt of it , but that he who with Frights , with Threats , with Curses ▪ with Blows , with Gripes in the Throat , with drawing Knives , with continual horrid and barbarous vexations , shall even break his Fathers heart , ( and so much William Pinchin the Elder hath said that his Son would do by him ) is as guilty of his bloud as if he had taken a Knife and stabbed him . And I could advise Mr. Chambers to admonish William Pinchin that he would sadly consider of it in this his day : And I am confident of it , that they had done better service both to the Church of God and to the Common-wealth , if ( in stead of incouraging him to swear falsly and maliciously himself , and instructing others to doe the like ) they had spent some pains with him to have made him know , that the Voice of a Fathers bloud , is some more clamorous then the Voice of a Brothers . section 22 And it is more then Doctor Chambers knows , whether there have been any such Love and Unity amongst those who are there yet behind , as was then suggested and pretended to be . If he knows not of it already , I can tell him that since the time that I was thrust from Box , there have been notable clashing of Doores , gnashing of Teeth , sweet words passing from the Son to the Mother , and great thwarting and crossing betwixt them in their business , it being William Pinchins custome to do by his Mother as he did by me . To doe himself some mischief , that he may doe his Mother a greater , pleasing himselfe in frighting away work and Custome from their Mill , as I have heard ; belike thinking himselfe well satisfied with little or nothing , because his Mother doth thereby lose her half . The Doctor , if he aske the Neighbourhood , or the Servants , or the Children , may be told that there is little there that favours of a Cordial Union , or of a Blessed Reformation . Possibly it may not be so publique now as it hath been formerly : but in case she be forced out of her house , she dares not say that she was kickt or beaten ; and in 〈◊〉 she comes to any of her Neighbours , he must complain softly , and in a Chamber ; and buy her relief , or else want it . The recompence which she hath made me , being a fair warning for any one to receive , relieve , or else to pity her . Nay more , Mr. Stern hath told me since I came to T●●● , that her Son hath used a means to 〈◊〉 her not only out of her house , but out of the County likewise . section 23 At the same time it was that William Punchin produced another Paper ( I think he received it from Thomas Powell ) as the implaint of an honest man ( I think he added Godly too ) being at that time in the County of Summerset . The writing was but short , and the complaint as I remember ; That he had lived so long under my Ministery , and was not profited ; or to that purpose . Which Paper upon my request they shew unto me , upon the view whereof I finde it to be the hand of William Sergeant , a man indeed living in Sommerset , but in a Parish adjoyning to Box , a considerable part of his Estate lying in that Parish ; about the Tithes whereof ( for he refuseth payment ) he hath been questioned and cast by both Persons and Vicar , and so far proceeded against , that he lay in Gaol upon the same score even to his dying day . This man William Sergeant ( by report ) hath gone through all Opinions , and at that time was , and I think still continued as vehement a Quaker , as any whatsoever . Upon the redelivery of the Paper , I told them I had much to shew from the same man , and written by the same hand . Now by this the Commissioners might have guest what sort of men appeared against me , in that they laboured to strengthen themselves by such who are profest enemies to the Profession and Calling of Ministers . Not was this the first time that they received Papers against me written by this William Sergeant . He it was that wrote the Articles against me , which were Exhibited by John Travers , his Brother in Law. But since he was in person before the Commissioners at my next time of my appearing , I shall trouble thee no more about him now , nor with any thing else touching the Transactions of this day . From Marlborough after an Expensive Reckoning we are discharged : and notwithstanding the Warrant by which I appeared , expressed that I should then receive judgement according to the demerit of my cause ; yet as to Sentence there was nothing then done ; belike the Testimonies came not up as ●et to the Expectations of these Commissioners , or to Mr. Byfields and Dr. Chambers desires , or else William Pinchin might give them in another Paper , and that he had other Witnesses yet behind , that could swear farther and Testifie more ; but for that time discharged I was untill another Summons . The Transactions at my fourth time of appearing before them , June 4. & 5. at the George in Cāln . section 1 BEing as I told thee thus discharged from Marlborrough , May 9. within some short time after I received a piece of Paper from John Travers in these words : Mr. Bushnell , YOur appearance is expected before our Commissioners at their next meeting at the George in Caln , Wednesday the 4. of June , with your Witnesses , for your further defence ; if you intend any more . William Blisset Clerk. 14 May 1656. section 2 Whither we repair accordingly , and there we finde for the Common-wealth William Pinchin , Jone Pinchin his mother , Elizabeth Pinchin his Wife , Peter Web , John Gibbons , Nicholas Spencer , Thomas Hayward , Ann the Wife of William Rawlins , William Cottle , and Henry Parsons of Box , John Gibbons of Corsham , John Travers of Slaughtenford , William Sergeant of Bathford , William Sanders of Chippenham , Obediah Cheltenham , Richard Cottle , and Lawrence Cottle of Ditcherridg , who being all sworn were required to speak to the Articles , accordingly as they were proposed unto them . section 3 But before I descend to any particulars , I shall recommend to thy observation some few things . As 1. That William Pinchin at this time leaves off to be a witness , and now takes upon him and acts the part of a Sollicitor , or Informer , for ( as I can prove ) he instructed and catechized some of the witnesses before , and so far prevailed with them , that they were contented to swear not what they had informed him of , but accordingly as he had written ; and afterward he marshals his Witnesses into a form , and accordingly as he looked upon his Paper they were called upon , and examined upon those Articles to which he referred ●hem . Obadiah Cheltenham being his assistant in the business ; for notwithstanding it was much which they then said and did , yet we have not one word as from them in the Depositions which were taken that day . 2. I have told thee the last day , how no ●ess then seaven of William Pinchins witnesses wholly disappointed him , and that two more said something to no purpose ; so that he had none to stand by him then but his honest neighbour Tho. Powel . But now you may guess having such Hints and incouragements from his Commissioners and Doctors , he hath by this time fitted himself with men proper for their purposes and his own ; for he hath now procured men of all sorts , and from several quarters , not only Parishes but Counties likewise ; nor is it any wonder if some of them ( considering their own quality , the incouragements from those Commissioners , and the vertues of their Tutor William Pinchin ) should ●etch trip , and swear to the purpose . That he , ( that is William Pinchin ) suborned some to swear , and tampered with others , was , or would have been proved to the Commissioners faces : and this might be the cause why Will ▪ Pinchin would not swear himself , because he had an assurance that he had now a sort of approved lads who would swear as he would have them ; so that whatsoever is afterwards deposed you may look upon as William Pinchins , having got this advantage by it , that whereas he swears formerly by himself , which could be lookt upon only as a single Testimony : now he swears by many proxies , which may be lookt upon as several Testimonies : when as in truth it is all Pinchin still , although conveyed by other pipes and feathers . section 4 Nor must it be forgotten that Mr. Byfield ( assoon as he had taken his pipe of Tobacco ) coming from a window where formerly he was , made a proposal that all persons whatsoever there present should withdraw : 'T is thought that he had some farther proposal to make , which was conceived to be touching some Gentlemen then in the room , whose presence he did not ( as it was thought ) so well like of ; but soon after we were all called in again , and all admitted excepting my Witnesses ; but Mr. Byfield would not by any means admit that they should be in the hearing . section 5 Something I must tell thee likewise , touching William Sargeant whom I have lately mentioned . John Gibbons of Corsham , and he were both at Caln before the Commissioners ; but both soon thrust out of door because they would not take their Oaths , and keep off their Hats . Now I have heard that all which William Sargeant had then to say was against the calling : and that his coming thither was to have spoken to Mr. Chambers , or Mr. Byfield ; against whom I am confident they had far greater exceptions then against me . And that this was William Sargeants business at Caln appears by this ; for it was he who after he was turned out of dores at Caln made that great stir beneath in the Court : 't was he that then scattered the printed Papers , one whereof was brought up into the Commissioners Chamber and delivered to them by Mr. Crump , who was much troubled at it , and put into a great sweat thereby . And now , is it not strange that the Commissioners should receive Articl●s and Papers against me , from such hands ? Nay , is it not more strange that they should retain , and file up his Papers , and yet reject his person ? that his Papers should be carefully kept , and looked on as godly , and yet that the Author should be turned out of dore as a Quaker ? I wonder not so much at William Pinchin that he should produce such men ( for you shall see in the following discourse that he hath prepared and produced much worse ) as at those Ministers who ever countenanced the person of the one , and made use of the Papers of the other . It was an handsom argument which a ●●man used to the Duke of Clarence , thereby to withdraw him from the Earl of Warwick with whom he sided , to his own Brother King Edward 4. against whom he took part . That the especial arm of that part wherein Clarence was at present engaged , was utterly to extinguish and ruin the house of York , whereof Clarence was an emi●ent person . And I say that the consideration of the designs of such sort of men , might have told the Commissioners , the Ministers at least , that as to this particular their case was as mine ; and that had they opportunity to their will , they would do as much by them as they have done by me . section 6 But to come to the Depositions ; The first in order as they lie in the copy received from thee Clark , was the Deposition of John Travers : who saith , That about four ( 1. ) years since he havingly ( 2. ) order taken up some Malignants horses at Box , ( 3. ) severall addresses were made to him by Mr. Bushnel , ( 4. ) Major Hunt , and ( 5. ) others who came all together from Mr. Bushnells house , having there drank very hard , being high in Beer , as this Depo●●● conceived . section 7 Touching which Deposition I shall observe to thee ; 1. That the time when as John Travers came to Box , was in August , 1648. which is much more then four years before June , 1656. Another Circumstance for Mr. Blisset . 2. What other order he had I know not , but I am sure that he then acted by vertue of : forged Warrant written as from Mr. Edward Stokes , his name likewise being subscribed unto it ; but disavowed by that Gentleman , as neither written by him , or by his consent ; and conceived to be contrived by Thomas Webb , John Travers his Brother in law . That Webb who is so notorious for infamie with Mr. Henry Whites late wife ; this Webb being at that time in the company , and a very busie man among them . By which you may guess John Travers to have been a very unfitting man to be looked on as a credible witness , when as I could then , and can yet prove him guilty of such Crimes which our Law punisheth with Pillorie , loss of Ears , slitting of nostrils , and scaring with an hot Iron , and it may be rationally presumed , that he who will for an advantage make one man say what he never thought of , will likewise for a like advantage make another man do , what he never did . And 3. whereas he adds that there were addresses made by me to him , I must tell thee that this is like the rest . I make addresses to John Travers ? I had known the fellow above thirty years before ; yet cannot remember that he was ever so high , or my self so low , as that I should either need or fear him . And sayes he , that I made Addresses unto him ? And these several addresses ; whereas I am sure that I could have made him confess , that I was then never but once where he was ; and then my business was to Colonel Eyre , and not to John Travers . And next he addes that Major Hunt and others came from my house . Here we have dead men , and &c. my companions again ; for although Mr. Hunt were then living , yet he was not at the time of my appearing , before the Commissioners , in a capacity to vindicate either himself or me . And whereas he sayes that they had there drank very hard , it must be replyed that it was more then John Travers knew whether they drank so much as a drop there , he saw it not , for he was not in the house , and therefore what he swears is either upon conjecture or hear-say . This is the third time that they have received such Testimonies against me . section 8 I shall give thee an account of the story as it was ; A party of Souldiers ( whereof John Travers was one ) having taken up Horses in the Parish , amongst others light upon a Horse or two of one Mr. Colliers , a Gentleman then living in Dorsetshire , and a Brother to Mris. Hunt , whom he then came to visit ; they being thus distressed repair to Colonel William Eyre for his assistance , which he promises , in order whereunto he repairs to Box , wi●l her likewise repair Mr. Hunt , Mr. Collier , Mris. Hunt , and two more of her Sisters ; who conceiving Colonel Fyre to be at my house , come thither , but not finding him there ( after a very short stay ) they make to another place where they understood he was , and I along with them . And I assure thee , that their hast was such , and their stay with me so short , that I cannot say that they ever sate down or drank so much as a glass of Beer . And thus much would two Souldiers at that time quartered with me in the house ( who were more likely to know , and to speak , the truth then John Travers ) have deposed , if I could have had so much justice that they might be heard . Indeed John Travers was so far in the right , that one of the Gentlemen was very high , which was this Mr. Collier , but it was in anger , and not in Beer ; and so I believe John Travers would have found him , if Mr. Collier had had him in a convenient place . I have told thee that we all came along together from my house to Colonel Eyre , where John Travers likewise was , and many more beside , where we made some stay , and had much discourse about those Horses , and other matters . And it is strange that none should observe this distemperature in all that time , but only John Travers who never saw us drink . But doubtless John Travers expected some monies for his pains , and therefore right or wrong , true or false , he would swear somethinng to the purpose that he might seem to have deserved his wages . I hear that afterward he wished that he had never medled in it , ( so did Judas too ) for that he had thereby gained the disrespect of some Gentlemen ; nor can I wonder if that all men should abandon and abhor his society that sticks not at forgery and perjury . But since he is dead , I shall say no more of him but only this , ( and this interrorem aliorum , ) That notwithstanding he had been of a long time a Contribution gatherer , a plunderer , an informer , a kind of Agent and Sequestrator , yet it is said that he dyed very poor : and notwithstanding he had been many times absent from Slaughtenford , and for a long time together , yet divine Providence so orders it , that he should die a beggar in that place where his infamies were known and practised ; touching the manner of his death I say nothing . section 9 Next comes Jone Pinchin widow , and says that about two years and a half since , Jane Hendy told her that Mr. Bushnel had attempted to lie with her : and withall said , that she did think that most of your Parsons were fl●shly given . And saith , That about two year since Mr. Bushnel baptized Mr. Spekes child by the Book of Common Prayer , and signed it with the sign of the Cross . section 10 You may remember that in the Transactions of the first day at Lavington , I told you that Jane Hendie was summon'd in as a Witness for the Common-wealth : but I made no mention of her information then , conceiving that it might be better deferr'd till another time . She was likewise at Marlburgh , May 8. and was sworn there likewise , her Deposition being taken in these words ; That she never heard of any lascivious talk from Mr. Bushnell , nor did he ever attempt to lie with her , nor doth she remember that she ever spake of any such thing to Jone Pinchin widow , or to any other person . This her Deposition , together with her age and poor withered countenance , had in all likelihood satisfied the Commissioners as to that particular ; but now William Pinchin at Lavington boldly interposes and tels the Commissioners that his mother this Jone Pinchin had told him that this Jane Hendy had said so much to her : on which Master Chambers adds that if Goodwife Pinchin had said so , he was bound to believe her . And againe at Marlburgh , May 8. when there were Papers delivered in by William Pinchin written by himself , wherein it was affirmed under her mark that Jane Hendy should say so , the Doctor adds again , That If Goodwife Pinchin said so , he was in conscience bound to believe her . section 11 Now by the Doctors leave I conceive these words of his , I am bound , and I am bound in conscience to believe her , were not spoken by him either with discretion or charity . 1. Not with so much advisedness or discretion ; for it is well known that William Pinchin had that power over his Mother that she dared not but to say , and to do as her Son woul● have her ; I believe so well known that the Doctor himself could not be altogether ignorant of it ; and what an incouragement 〈◊〉 these words of the Doctor give William Pinch●● to teach his Mother to say or to swear any thi●● having this assurance given her before-han● , That what ever she said must be believed , and 〈◊〉 for currant ? if she had not said so , yet he having such a hint given him and such a powe● with his Mother , might easily order it that against her appearing before them she should attest it with confidence . When I consider the story of Herod and the Baptist , I am fully perswaded that Herods unadvised promise , gave occasion to his Wives and Brothers daughter to ask John Baptists head . And ( that notwithstanding they hated him to death ) they would not have made such a request , unless they had been imboldened thereunto by Herods promise ; But now when such words shall fall from his mouth , Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me I will give , and this promise confirmed with an Oath ; This is enough to make them fl●e high , and to bethink themselves touching some great demand , proportionable to his vast concession , and their vaster malice . One of the Evangelists reports it , that having such a promise , she consulted with her mother what she should ask , and there is no doubt of it , but that the consideration of such a promise moved her Mother so to instruct her : and why might not these words from the Doctor , I am bound , and I am bound in conscience to believe her , hearten up the S●● to instruct his Mother what to swear , as well as those other words heartned up the Mother to instruct her Daughter what to ask ? section 12 But yet in case that Goodwise Pinchin had said so , yet what sufficient Grounds had the Doctor for so much confidence , I am bound , I am bound in Conscience ? I shall allow it that the Doctor hath been a long time acquainted with her , that she may have entertained him and his often , and her carriage may have been such as to gain his good opinion of her ; but yet all this will not amount to be a sufficient ground for so much confidence , that she should be so knowing as that she could not erre from the truth , or so cordial and intire that she would not report a falshood , for all Mr. Chambers knew she might be another woman then he took her for . And why might not the Doctor be mistaken in her as well as he hath been in many others ? ( women I mean , for there his acquaintance did especially lie , and these many of them such who had the hand over their Husbands ) who have followed him as far , and as oft as Jone Pinchin ▪ and yet are now saln off both from his Doctrine and acquaintance ? Nay , why might not the Doctor be mistaken in her , as well as he hath been in his friend and Chaplain Blake late of Warminster : no man can know what is in anothers heart . Nay , why may not the Doctor be mistaken in her as well as many hundreds have been mistaken in the Doctor ? Alas what just grounds of confidence have we that we cannot be mistaken in others , when as we are so often deceived in our own selves ? When as the Prophet sayes that the heart is deceitful above all things , desperately wicked , who can know it ? Doubtless he speaks of the deceitfulness and small knowledg which every man hath of his own heart , as well as of the hearts of other men . section 13 But yet ( for all the Doctors great confidence ) others , who have had more and better means to be acquainted with Jone Pinchin in some particulars then I believe ever the Doctor had , have not met with so much upright dealing from this Jone Pinchin which deserves so great an Encomium : I have heard of such that have discovered her to be very nimble with her To●dish , more nimble then became an honest woman : I have heard too from others who have been set by their Parents ( it seems they had cause to doubt her ) to watch her that she might not mis-remember her self , and take toll twice ; it was her own Son William ( as I have heard ) that said , That she had driven away most of the custom from the Mill , and certainly this could not be by any of her virtues . I love not to rake in dunghils , yet this I can say of my own knowledg , that she hath borrowed of me several and considerable sums which she hath neither paid me , nor will she confess that she ever borrowed them ; and that she hath in money and accounts received several sums from me , which she will not acknowledge that she ever received . I lent her and her husband money out of my purse , when her Son had beaten them out of door , they being utterly destitute , nor knew they where to go to relieve themselves , which is yet unpaid , nor can I gain any thing from them but base words and deeds in lieu of it . The Doctor may do well to advise them to make payment to me , ( it is a piece of curtesie which he hath done for his friends in some other place as I have heard ) or else let him abate of his good opinion of them . But if he will not credit me , let him ask his friend Mr. Stern what just and upright dealing he found with them , when he sojourned with them there ? and what a reckoning they brought him in ( as he hath reported it ) for Bread and Cheese . 'T is true indeed , that is believed that Mr. Stern had better provision there , then Bread and Cheese , and therefore was it false in him to report it so ; but yet it is believed again that he either paid for that which he never bad , or paid to a far greater value then the provision came to , and that therefore the Doctors good friend must be guilty of cousening and cheating . We know that in the Decalogue that Command , Thou shalt not bear false witness , is in order immediately after that Thou shalt not steal ; it may be that the Prohibitions are therefore so near , because usually the sins are so . He that hath stoln will not stick at a lie , nor is it any great wonder that such who have been light of their hands , should be false of their tongues . section 14 And now I shall add that these words , I am bound , I am bound in conscience to believe her , were not spoken by the Doctor , with charity towards Jane Hendy , for the poor old woman had been twice before them before this time , and upon her Oath ( being never tampered with or prepared , as was William Pinchin use , no nor so much as spoken with by me ) deposeth , That she never heard any lascivious talk from Mr. Bushnel ; nor did he ever attempt to lie with her ; nor doth she remember that ever she spake of any such thing to Jone Pinchin widow , or to any other person . And now for Dr. Chambers ( a man of so much reverence and learning ) to say ( when it had been good manners in him to hold his peace ) that if Goodwife Pinchin had said so he was in con●cience bound to believe her , was ( upon the matter ) to say to this Jane Hendies face , that she had twice forsworne her self ; I said before , that the Doctor could not know so much of the widow Pinchin , but he might be mistaken in her . I now add further , that for any thing he knew , this Jane Hendy might deserve as good an opinion of her fidelity as he had of this Jone Pinchin ; and is it not then a most uncharitable thing for such an one as the Doctor to pronounce the one as infallible , the other as perjured , upon such uncertain grounds ? I am bound in conscience . Beside the incouragement which this gave to William Pinchin , of which I have spoken already , what consternation and amazement must this needs bring upon all my witnesses ? When as a word from William Pinchin , ( who will say or swear anything to do a mischief ) as from his Mother ( who must swear and say as he would have her ) shall in this Doctors judgement render them under that notion as to be looked upon as persons perjured . section 15 I report it with much sadness of spirit that these contradictory Testimonies of Jane Hendy and Jone Pinchin ( whereof one of necessity must be false ) are both taken upon Oath ; one or other of them must needs be forsworne ; and with me ( and I believe that most that know us are of my minde ) it is soon decided where the perjury lies : for I protest it in the presence of our great God , that there never was any such attempt made by me , no nor so much as thought of ; and therefore I cannot possibly be so uncharitable as to think that the poor woman upon no grounds , and for no purpose , should belie her self or slander me . And now I shall add further , that I believe that this and many other false Oaths had never been taken , had not the Doctor by those words , I am bound in conscience , hinted unto them a kind of faculty , or dispensation of swearing , and that now they might be bold . And one thing farther , This Oath being false , as I am confident it was , and as it is very probable this Oath being caused by such an invitation , I am bound in conscience ; If an incourager or an abettor , or a perswader be an accessary , I cannot acquit somebody ( the Doctor may guess whom I mean ) from being guilty of this , and many following perjuries . I remember that Vlysses layes a claim to all the Heroick acts of Achilles , because that it was through his procurement that he went to the wars of Troy. Ergo opera illius mea sunt — And why may not these men be intituled to all the infamous actions which follow , since it was from them especially that they had their rise and incouragement ? section 16 I must not forget one thing more : When the widow Pinchin had given in this Testimony , I desired Mr. Blisset to ask her whether she believed it ? To which she answered , that goodwife Hendy did say so . But this not satisfying Mr. Blisset asks her again , But do you believe it to be true ? To ●hich she answers again , that it was true that ●●odwife Hendy said so : but this not satisfying ●et , Mr. Blisset asks her the third time , But do 〈◊〉 conceive Mr. Bushnell to be any such man ? To which she answers , that she could not judge . Now ● must tell the Reader that not long before this , she having some discourse with several persons , ever acquited me , saying that she be●ieved that I was wronged , or to that purpose : ●ut now she changes her note , and sayes , ●●e cannot judge . Doubtless her own son Wil●iam , or the Doctor ( for I have heard that he ●as at her house betwixt April 28. & June 4. ) ●●d instructed her , and taught her to fall ●hort : and why might not he make the whole , as well as alter a part of it ? It was observed that while the Mother was on her Examination , the son was in some ag●ny and ●erplexitie , which he exprest by rubbing , and ●●resting of his face and head , fearing belike that his Mother should miss her trip , or forget , or mis report those instructions which he had given her . section 17 But now some may say , it is very unlikely , if not impossible , that all this rumor should be raised , that all this stir should be made about o● upon nothing , upon no grounds at ●ll . And indeed I am of the same minde , I made it my business therefore to enquire of Jane Hendie , since this business was over , to recollect her self , and to call to mind what discourse or communication she had had with Jone Pinchin which might be wrested to such a construction . Whereupon she told me , that during the time that she was my servant , I entertained a Minister in my house ( he calle● himself Page ) who pretended that he was beate● out of Ireland , affirming that he had there escape● very great dangers and sustained very great losses ▪ Insomuch that he was now very low , and both needed and desired the charitable relie● of others . In order whereunto he desire● that he might preach in my Church , to which I condescended , which Exercise and Collecti●● being ended , in regard that he made a great moan , I took him with me into my house , entertained him and lodged him all night : and ( had it not been for his great importunity to be gone early the next morning ) it is li●● I might have entertained him longer ; but it appears since that he therefore made such haste to be gone , because he had already ( lying in a chamber by himself , where there was a Trunk and some Boxes open ) possest himself of his errand ; for he had stoln several pieces of Clothes , Stockins , and other garments both of mine and others , which he took away along with him . We mist not these Clothes till some dayes after ; nor did my servants ( for I was the last that heard of it ) discover unto me any suspicion that they had of him until one had told them he had lately seen this Page about five miles from Box , lying sleeping on the ground , neer unto an hedge , by which there ran a little Brook ; and that two ( habited like women ) were in the mean time washing and hanging out to dry , several parcels of clothes ; adding farther to my servants , that had they been there they might have chanc't to have met with that which they had lost . This story Jane Hendie tells to Jone Pinchin , and was in some passion about it : for it seems that she had suffered in that loss ; she speaks her minde likewise very freely touching Page and his Landresses ; and to some who made themselves unwilling to believe that men of his profession should be of such a conversation , she adds to this purpose , that your Parsons ( ●●ning me no more then she named Mr. Byfield ●r the Doctor ) might be fleshly given as well as other m●n . This is the sum of the story , as she hath reported unto me ; and as she sayes this was all she spake to Jone Pinchin , neither did she ( as it is in her Deposition ) mention my name at all . And see now what a story the son , and the Mother together with ●he Doctors incouragement have made of it . I believe that the Doctor knows already that there have been such heretofore , who were much given to mistake , and mis-remember , and mis-report other mens words , and all for the worse , to the prejudice of him that spoke them ; and I believe that the Doctor knows what sort of men they have been . To all which let me add only this , And thinkest thou this that thou shalt escape that doest th● same ? section 18 There is another branch in Jone Pinchin Deposition , which I have not yet spoken to which is this ; That about two years since Mr. Bushnell ba●tized Mr. Spekes child by the Book of Common Prayer , and signed it with the sign ● the Cross , her son Williams wife then o●posing that she was then also present at the Baptizing of Mr. Spekes child , and swea● the same . section 19 And here I shall observe a wonder 〈◊〉 thee ; That with in six weeks a child should grow a year and three quarters old ; for this is one ● the children of which Obadiah Cheltenham spak● at Lavington , and then and there affirmed up on Oath , that I had signed it with the sign of 〈◊〉 Cross within a quarter of an year , it wo●●● be proved ; 't is likely he meant that Willi●● Pinchins mother , and his wife should prove it Here we have another circumstance for Mr. Blisset ▪ And here we have a story ( such an one as ● is ) of a thing done about two years since ▪ ● shall desire thee to know that the child o● whom they speak was Baptized , October 2● 1653. which was more then two year and ● half before these depositions were taken , an● although that word about may make it passab● in some tolerable sense , yet it is in my thought that William Pinchin had some design in it that his mother and his wife should swear so indefinitely : for in this particular the space of 〈◊〉 or seven moneths , nay of but a week would have very much altered the case . The Ordinance by which these Commissioners sate bares date , Aug. 29. 1654. and although it did look backward beyond the date of it , and questioned such things which were done before the law ●as made , yet it doth not look so far back as to Octob. 28. 1653. Then ( nay on the last of Decemb , 1653. ) that might have been done with safety , which if one had done on the day following , he might have been questioned for ; it might be therefore a design in William Pinchin to put it into such indefinite terms 〈◊〉 two years , it might be somewhat within , and under , as well as above ; and such an interpretation as best pleased the Commissioners , ( and that if Mr. Byfield and the Doctor could have procured it , should have been such as would have done me the most mischief ) should have been put upon it : But of this Deposition I shall say no more , because be it true , or be it false , as to the matter of fact , yet as to the matter of charge it signified nothing . section 20 The next we have is the Deposition of William Cottle , who deposeth , That when Thrift was kild , he d●d conceive him to be overtaken in Beer , for that he could not scarce pull the rope of the Bell without stepping into the fold ; but where he had it , this deponent knows not . And saith also , That aboout two year since Mr. Bushnell coming through Pickwick lane from Corsham bended to and fro upon his Horse : and this deponent the morrow asking Brewer the Inkeeper what he had done to Mr. Bushnell , said , he was well enough when he went thence , having spent only ten pence , out said he did use to suddle a Cup there now and then . section 21 I conceive that the sum of this Deposition may be reduced to these heads . 1. Touching John Thrift . 2. Touching m●●elf . As touching John Thrifts ringing , and in what Condition he was when he rang , I shall refer thee to the deposi●ion of another witness summon'd in to appear at the same time and place by William Pinchin ; which was this William Cott●es own brother and taken in these words . Richard Cottle of Box deposeth that Thrift afore●aid , ringing two or three puls at the Be●● when he was afterward killed ; this deponent did not conceive he was in drink , and having but the last week asked of him that gave him the rope , and took it of him again , ( he being also of the said opinion ) this Deponent doth the rather believe it . Here you see we have two for one , and those this William Cottles brother , and Will. Love his Brother in law : who gave him the rope , and took it of him again ; and therefore in likelihood might know more of Iohn Thrifts condition at that time then any man. section 22 But now ( had these Commissioners been pleased to suffer it ) I could have made it appear , that at such time as John Thrift rang , this William Cottle was not below in the Church or Belfree , but above in the Tower tolling of the great Bell : from whence it was as impossible for him to see what was then done below in the Church , as it was for William Pinchin to see what was done at Box when he was about five miles off at Broughton . section 23 And then as touching the second Branch of his Deposition . That as I rode homeward from Corsham , I bended to and fro upon my horse . Certainly this will signifie nothing with sober men but only a distemperature in the informer . The several postures and motions of the body , the variety of gate and garb , the carriage of the hands or feet of men whether on horseback or on foot , as they are little thought of by him that useth them , so I think as little regarded by any rational man that shall behold them : We look upon these , and such as these , as done without any mature deliberation : and therefore barely as such , neither matter of commendation or reproof : nor are they usually called humane actions , although he be a man that doth them . section 24 And whereas he cites Brewer an Inholder of Corsham as his voucher , I shall acquaint thee with the Information upon Oath , which this Thomas Brewer gave before the Commissioners , and shall after leave it to the Reader to judge , how this William Cottle hath represented both him and me . I must tell thee that this Deposition of Thomas Brewer was not taken at this time at Caln , but afterward at Marlburrough ▪ July 1. yet because it relates so much to William Cattles Deposition , I shall anticipate the day , and insert it here ; It is in these words ; Thomas Brewer of Corsham Inholder , being sworn , saith , That he did never tell William Cottle or Henry Parsons afore sworn , that Mr. Bushnell did use to come to his house to suddle a cup as they have deposed ; nor was he distemper'd at the time mentioned in their Depositions . And sayes , that he have known him these ten years , and never saw him drink to excess , nor did he ever go from his h●use distemper'd with Beer as this deponent knows ; yet sayes , that he have often been at this deponents house in Corsham , but seldom save in business for the children , to whom he is a Guardian , or to the Lecture , or the like , and sayes that he have been there three or four hours at a time in the Deponents said he use with his Tenants , &c. and have not drank more then a jug of Beer , or a Pint of Wine . section 25 All that I shall have to say at present is to the former part of the deposition . That he never told William Cottle that Mr. Bushnel did use 〈◊〉 to his house to suddle a cup. Here we have another sad story , Contradictory oath 's taken again . Of which ( as I have said ) of necessity one must be false . I am satisfied as to my self where the perjury lies ; and it may be that the reader will be of my judgment before I come to the end of the story . It was at this time that we exhibited Articles of exception against this William Cottle touching his credit and former conversation , every of which would have been proved upon oath . As 1. That this William Cottle was a drunkard , and that on the Lords day ; and even in the time of divine service he had usually seduced others to his house to drink . As 2. That this William Cottle was a thief , who together with John Twyford the hangman cut , carryed and stole Poles out of Hungerford wood , supposing them to have been the Ministers . As 3. That William Cottle was a scandalous and infamous person , who having been convicted for selling Ale without License , and other misdemeanors , and yet taking no warning , was by the Justices of the Peace sent to the house of Correction ; from whence he made an escape , so that a Justice of Peace made him give Bond to sell Ale no more , because he could not otherwise restrain him . As 4. That William Cottle was a cousening and cheating fellow : for , ( putting himself into the Office of a Tything-man in the room of another m●n ▪ he collected monies for the buying of Drums and C●lours , which he keeps ( or the greater part of it ) ● his hands , or else otherwise imployes it : and suffers the Cattle of one James Butler ( for whom he 〈◊〉 Deputy ) to be taken away by Souldiers until sa● satisfaction were made . Insomuch 5. That William Cottle was looked upon a one that regarded neither his word nor his Oath , so that the steward of the Leet discovering him , would not admit him ( although he greatly thirsted after it ) to serve in that place any more : conceiving him belike to be a person so unworthy and so unfit to be trusted , as that he was not held meet for so mean an office as a Tything-man . As 6. That William Cottle was a slanderer of the Ministers , charging them in the general with greediness , and that he would trust none of them all : and that for instance he mentioned Mr. Chambers who had left Claverton , and was gone to Pewsie section 26 I say that all these exceptions were then exhibited ; and would have been every one proved upon Oath ; but my Counsel for that time waving all the rest , pitcht upon the last , viz. That William Cottle should say that your Parsons were greedy , and that he would trust none of them all , no not Mr. Chambers , who had left Claverton and was gone to Pewsie . This Article was indeed of it self the most inconsiderable , although perchance it made the loudest noise with them , because it reflected somewhat upon their Doctor . Now William Cottle being charged with these words , confidently denies that ever he spake them , being still upon his Oath ; affirming , That no honest man would justifie that he had said so : and drawing his finger a thwart his throat , seemed to intimate that he would give any man leave to cut his throat if it were justified . Soon after which comes in William Rawlins of Box , against whom William Cottle could take no exceptions , and being sworn , saith ; That on Whitsunday last soon after the morning Sermon , as they were in the Church-yard ( he named the particular place in the Church-yard , as likewise others who heard it as well as himself ) William Cottle spake these words ; That your Parsons were greedy , that he would trust none of them all , no not Mr. Chambers , for he had left Claverton and was gone to Pewsie . Which words when William Cottle had heard , without more ado he acknowledged that he had spoken , adding further , Why what if I did say so i● . The truth is , that the thing being considered barely in , or by it self , it mattered not if he had said so ; for it was true as he said ; Mr. Chambers had left Claverton , ( nor was this the first time that he had left it ) and was gone to Pewsie , and this to his great advantage too , for the report goes that he is three hundred pounds a year gainer by this remove . But now William Cottle having been sworn to speak the truth , the whole truth , and nothing but the truth , ( and this Oath alwayes binding him whiles he was before these Commissioners speaking upon his cross examination to my bvsiness ) and having upon this Oath denyed any such words to be spoken by him , and yet within a few minutes after , as our Proverb goes even in the same breath , upon the same Oath to confess that he had spoken them — ! What greater or further Testimony could these Commissioners have of this mans falsehood ? or how could they look upon him as a credible witness against me , since he sticks not to forswear himself in their presence ? Another circumstance for Mr. Blisset . section 27 It must not be forgotten , that Mr. Byfield kept much adoe about this Deposition of William Rawlins ; it is like enough that he was unwilling that it should be taken ; sure I am that there was a kinde of an heat stricken betwixt my Counsell and him about it ; it may be that it was not only zeal to his friend the Doctor which made him so earnest ; but also respect unto himself , he rightly considering that in this saying , he himself was reproached likewise ; for that the Doctors changes might give occasion to men to enquire what a stedfast and setled man Mr. Byfield had been in his time : and how many removes he had made from that time he did officiate at Enford , till this time that he was now in the Parsonage at Callingborn . But yet my Counsel prevailed , and ( although with some adoe ) entred it was and subscribed by William Rawlins who had deposed it . And yet ( Reader judge of their equall dealing with me ) we have not one word of this in that copy of the Depositions which we received from their Clerk , and according to which we were to frame our answer . I have often told thee that they had an Index expurgatorius , yet formerly he came only with his knife , or his pruning hook , and took away only some boughs or Limbs of a Deposition , but here he comes with his Axes , and takes away both root and branch . section 28 It were not amiss to tell thee that John Travers , sitting by during this debate , and hearing and noting all the passages , observed it ( and so did others beside ) and ( as I have heard ) hath reported it elsewhere with some complacency , that Mr. Chambers did hang down his head the while ; Now we know that hanging down of the head doth usually signifie that there is shame and sorrow in the Heart . — Pudet haec opprobria nobis Et dici potuisse & non potuisse refelli . And whereas shame doth usually produce either an amendment in the person so exposed : or else indignation , which the person so exposed conceives against him whom he looks on as the cause of this Exposal ; I have some conjecture that this wrought after the latter and worser way with Dr. Chambers ; and that he did for this store up a good turn for me against he had an opportunity . Of which the Readers shall have some account in due time and place . section 29 Next follows the Deposition of William Sanders ; but because I shall have something touching him , and of the Doctor in reference unto him , which is very remarkable in the Transactions of the next day , I shall therefore forbear him till then . section 30 Next follows the Deposition of Lawrence Cottle , who deposeth : That about one year and a half since , he and some others that went to school with Mr. Bushnell plaid at Cards in Mr. Bushnells house , when Mr. Bushnell took up one of the Boyes games , and plaid it out for him at Slam : after which some difference happening between the boyes about their game , he snatched up the Cards , and threw them into the fire and burnt them , and said he would have no more playing at Cards in his house . section 31 And as touching this Deposition , I would fain know where the matter of charge lies ? is it in this , That they played at Cards in my house ? I know nothing ( all circumstances duly considered , and it was my care it should be so ) that makes it either unlawful or inexpedient . The time was after Supper ; the company , mine own scholars ; the stake ( for any thing I knew ) Apples , or Nuts , whereat in an harmless manner for some short time they might recreate themselves . If it happened otherwise ( as the Deposition here sayes that it did ) the beginning of the differences put an end to the Game . As I remember Mr. Byfield disliked it that I had not burnt the Cards before , but delaid it till the end of the Game . To which I shall say only this , that had they been filling or smoaking with a Tobacco pipe , I should have looked upon it as a thing so disingenuous and misbeseeming Scholars , that I should have snatcht it away and broken it without any more adoe . section 31 Next follows the Deposition of John Gibbons in these words ; John Gibbons of Box being sworn , saith , Th●● about three quarters of a year past he pla●● twice with Mr. Bushnell at Tables in his own house , for good will only , and no moneys . But saith , that he was induced so to do at the request of this Deponent . To which we have neer in place and substance , the Deposition of Peter Webb in these words ; Peter Webb before sworn , saith , That sometimes before two years past , he have plaid with with Mr. Bushnell at Tables in his own house , but for no moneys . section 32 Now I would willingly be satisfied touching the matter of Charge in these Depositions . For 1. Are these Games illiciti in se ? unlawful in themselves ? or in their own nature ? Then are they such at all times , in all places , and to all persons . Never man did , never man can use them , but in the very use of them he offends . But perchance they will say , that they are Illiciti quia prohibiti , and though indifferent in themselves , yet in being forbidden they become unlawful . To this I shall subjoin , and if they be thus forbidden , it must be either ●y some old Law , or else by some new , ● believe that Mr. Byfield would not say , By any ●ld Law , and if he had said by the New ; that is , ●he Ordinance by which they sate , and accor●ing to which they were to act : I shall an●wer , that then these two Depositions signifie ●●thing against me , for the ordinance in this ●articular makes only such Ministers to be deemed ●●ilty of Scandal who shall be found frequent players 〈◊〉 Cards or Dice ; and certainly then no man ●ill say that I played frequently with these men , ●hen as they depose that I never played with ●hem but once a piece . I am confident that Mr. ●●field and the Doctor would not be termed ●●equent Preachers , if they had Preacht no ●ftener then it is proved that I plaid at Cards●r ●r Tables . There was beside a concurrence of ●ll circumstances , which being duly observed know not the Casuist so strict which accounts ●hem absolutely unlawful . For 1. We made it matter of recreation . 2. We used them sparingly . And 3. Covetousness ( which is usually the poyson ●f all games , so far as to distemper and enrage ●he passions ) because●as ●as it is in their Depositions ) we plaid for no●●ing . One thing more let me now add touching ●ohn Gibbens , and his Deposition , of which he ●old me since I came to London , which was this , ●hat the Clerk Mr. Blissets son had written ●omewhat as his Deposition which he never spake ; as that we plaid at Tables on the Lords day , to which he would have had John Gibbens to set his hand , which he refusing , he takes the Deposition as is aforesaid ; on which let me observe only this , that if John Gibbens had not read the Deposition over , he should have been made to testifie that which was most false , which possibly some who could not read what he had written have done . This pretious Clerk having that faculty , that the witnesses shall say no more , nor lesse , nor any other thing then he will have them . So it might be to my prejudice , what they never spake shall be inserted ; but if for my advantage , then what they spake plain and distinctly shall be left out . He told me likewise , that Obadiah Cheltenham bestowed a kind of a rebuke upon him , telling him that he swore but faintly , and that by his Deposition he had done them more harm then good . section 33 Next follows the Deposition of Thomas Hayward , who deposeth ; That about Pauls-tide last was two year , Mr. Bushnel did use some of the formes of Common Prayer at a Funeral . To which I say only this , that for any thing appears to the contrary , he might mean that I read 1 Cor. ch . 15. section 29 Next follows the Deposition of Nicholas Spencer , who being before sworn saith , That oft-times till within three quarters of a year past , there have been Stabbal playing upon the Sabbath in the Parish of Box , and playing at fives upon the same day in the Church-yard ; and that this Deponent have oft complained to Mr. Bushnel thereof ; who have replyed that it was the Officers and none of his business ; but saith that the said Mr. Bushnel have often reproved and rebuked his Parishners for the same in his Sermons . section 34 And he might have sworn that oft-times within three quarters of an year , the widow Pinchins and her Sons fulling Mils , had been set on work on the Lords day ; and that on the same day their servants have usually hanged out their clothes in the rack . That on the same day Obad. Cheltenham came usually from Marlborough to his own house . That on the same day William Cottle , and Nicholas Nowell , have kept tippling in their houses . That Thomas Powel have set it aside for a day to make bargains in , because he would not spare the time on the Week dayes . Nor have there ( that I know of ) been greater profaners of that day , then were those very persons that appeared against me . But what ? D●d N●cho●as Spencer see these men at Stabbal ? Why h●d not he complained of them upon Oath ? he could have informed of his own knowledge , I only on hear-say as from him : and ( whatsoever the practice of these Commissioners were ) I knew that our Justices were so worthy , as that they would not look upon such an Oath , as a sufficient ground for a conviction . And whereas he said that he complained to me of it ; was I a Magistrate to punish , or an Officer to prosecute them ? If he had complained to me of William Pinchins paricide , of Obadiah Cheltenhams — — Chastity , of Cottles profanations , &c. I must have given him the same answer as I did then , That it is the Officers business to prosecute them , and none of mine . By Nicholas Spensers own confession I acted as became one in my place , I often reproved and rebuked the Parishioners for the same in my Sermons . To which I shall add one thing more ; I did ( which I conceive to be most properly the Ministers office in this business ) publish the several Acts and Ordinances for the Observation of that day : that neither the Officers , nor any others might pretend ignorance of their duty in that case ; but that the people might know what was forbidden them , and under what penalty it was forbidden them ; and that the Officers might know what they were to expect in case they neglected their duty : I say that these Acts and Ordinances I published oftner then the Law required . Yea , I think , far more often then Mr. Byfield , or Dr. Chambers . But as touching the same Nicholas Spenser , I shall for present only desire thee to observe how he mends and makes some progresse in his Depositions , how ( Pinchin-like ) he fetcheth Trip , in his second Deposition out-going the first , and in this third overleaping all , as shall be certified unto thee by and by . section 35 I shall now put an end to the Transactions of this day . Being cald in before them the next morning which was June 5. I perceived that the Marlborough men , together with Mr. Byfield , Dr. Chambers , and another Minister of Marlborough , I think they cald him Mr. Hughes , were very sharp set : they had dispatcht two Ministers before ; and the Doctor by his big countenance seemed not to have digested it that Cottle should upon his Oath before such a company deny and yet acknowledge it , that he should say that your Parsons were greedy , that he would trust none of them all , no not Mr. Chambers , for he had left Claverton , and was gone to Pewsie ; and therefore I was not to expect any kindnesses from him , because he might look upon me as the Author of his Exposal . And therefore I desired that I might have some further time granted for the Examination of other Witnesses ; for I told them that the Witnesses which were produced and incouraged against me , I could prove to be men neither of honesty , nor of credit , or truth . Which if I made appear , then their Testimony ( be it what it would ) fell to the ground and became void of it self ; for their Ordinance allows of none but of credible Witnesses ; and the old rule is , Recriminatio valet ad tollendum Testimonium , that a recrimination is of force to take awa● a Testimony . But to these words of mine that I should prove these Witnesses to be men of neither credit nor truth , Mr. Blisset replies to this purpose , That it were strange if there should be found such men that were of no credit or truth , for that the Devill spake truth sometime . To which words for the present I shall ask of Mr. Blisset , first , What he thinks of those words , He ( the Devil ) abode not in the truth , because there was no truth in him ? I shall ask him , secondly , Whether or no if the Devil should depose a truth , his Doctors or himself would look upon it as a sufficient Testimony ? I shall give the Reader my present Judgement touching these particulars in the Transactions of the next day . Only let me observe thus much unto thee now , that it seemeth to me that ordinary witnesses , be they whatsoever , come they from wheresoever , swear they what or howsoever , yet if serving Mr. Blissets turn , they should have been welcom to him . Yet upon this my motion , To have further time granted me for the Examination of other Witnesses ; I was bade to withdraw , and being soon called in again , my request was granted . But now whether it were because my suite was equall , or whether or no it were because Mr. Byfield and the Doctor had not there a full Quorum of fitting Commissioners ( for although all their friends of Marlborough were there , yet I remember not that any of Sarum were ) I cannot judge . The Transactions at my fifth time of appearing before them , at the White-Hart at Marlborough , July 1. 2. section 1 HAving ( as I told thee but now ) a liberty granted to me to bring in my exceptions both against the persons and the Evidence given in against me at that time at Caln , I had notice by word of mouth from the Commissioners Clerk , Mr. Blissets son , that that I was to appeared before them at the White-Hart in Marlborough , July 1. next following . And thither I repair accordingly with such along with me , whose Testimonies ( had they been equally heard , or duly considered of ) would ( with uninterested men , or such who had not been afore-hand resolved which way it should go , right or wrong ) doubtless have so far prevailed , that it would have appeared that the Doctors , Mr. Byfields , and Mr. Blissets witnesses had been indeed such as I had formerly represented them to be , Men of neither truth nor credit . Nor can these men have any just cause to distast me that I call them their witnesses , when I have given my reasons of it . I have told thee already , that I believe that many a one which hath appeared before them , and have been sworn against me , had never so done , had it not been for their invitation and countenance ; which as before , so at this time appeared most visible : for ( besides others which I shall name by and by ) at this time there appear for the Common-wealth VVilliam Pinchin , Obadiah Cheltenham , and John Travers , not as witnesses , but as Sollicitors or Promoters : and in their addresses ( neglecting the Gentleman to whom alone of right this business did belong ) their applications were to Mr. Chambers and Mr. Byfield , John Travers and William Pinchin , at the upper end of the Table , standing at the elbow of the Doctor , and Obadiah Cheltenham towards the lower end , waiting upon Mr. Byfield ; and this I conceive to be reason enough wherefore I call them their witnesses . There appear at this time beside these Nicholas Spenser lately mentioned , and Nicholas Nowell , and Jone his wife : nor could I have any liberty to produce any witnesses for mine own vindication , till the depositions of the witnesses for the Common-wealth were first taken . section 2 Of which ( as I take it ) the first was the Deposition of Nicholas Spenser in these words ; Nicholas Spenser of Box being sworn , saith that he being at Church when Thrift was killed , observed that he was overtaken in Beer by his countenance and absurd carriage . section 3 Touching which Deposition I shall offer to thy consideration these things : 1. That this Deposition as it is under their Clerks hand , is not entered as a distinct Deposition by it self , but it is shuffled up together with that Deposition which he took at Marlborough , May , 8. of which I have spoken already . 2. Whereas the Clerk puts this in the first place , as if it were the first that ever Nicholas Spenser took yet that this was the last , and that his Depositions of May 8. and of June 4. of which I have spoken before , were both before this , to which I am now to speak . Now who or what should move the Clerk ( in this and many other places beside ) to this 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , to invert and confound the order wherein these Testimonies were delivered or taken ( whether it were design thereby to confound my counsel and us ; that we should have a confused as well as an unperfect Paper to answer to ; that so having but a little time to answer unto it , by this inversion of order we might be the more perplex'd ; or whether or no they therefore placed the Depositions of their most Gigantick swearers in the front , as the Indians set their Elephants to face their Enemies , that the world might think that all the rest were like the first : or whether it were from neglect or oversight ) I cannot judge . Observe , 3. That this Nicholas Spenser had ( as I have said ) been twice before them before , that he had been twice sworn , and examined upon all the Articles , and could not remember any such thing . Now I have heard that it hath been deemed an undue course for a witness to be twice examined against a man. This being given as a reason , Because that this is to draw him on by degrees to swear home , and to mend in his second Deposition what he fell short in the first . Nor is it unlikely but that such who have been once or twice called in upon Examination and cannot remember any thing , may if called in the third time have so much aim given them , that they may remember somewhat amiss , but more of this by and by . section 3 But pass we to the Deposition it self . 1. He swears that he was at Church when John Thrift was killed . Now there are many others that are confident that he was not in the Church when John Thrift came in and rang ; but might come in afterward , when as it was reported that he was slain . But now , 2. Observe with me what a notable argument the man hath got , or what reasons he hath to perswade him to believe it ; He observed that he was overtaken in Beer by his countenance and absurd carriage . I have seen this Nicholas Spenser as fantastique and ridiculous in his carriage as I have seen any man : turning himself half round upon his toe or his heel , casting out his legs , throwing abroad his arms ; and for his countenance I have seen him ( as our Proverb goes ) as red as the roust Cock , and yet I believe at that time he hath been as far from distemperature , as he was at this time from truth or charity . section 4 We have had often mention of the death of John Thrift , as likewise in what condition he was in when he was slain . I shall here once for all give thee a brief of the story as it was . This John Thrift living in the Parish of Box , and being my neer kinsman , together with his wife , and some others of our neighbouring kindred , agreed among themselves ( as I have since heard ) to meet all together at Church at Box , and afterward to dine with me : there was neither feast prepared , nor any invitation made by me , as many of them yet living did depose before these Commissioners . Soon after dinner ( I retiring to my Chamber ) this John Thrift speaks to some others to go along with him to the house of one John Hedges who was to be buryed that afternoon ; with a purpose to attend the Corps to Church . But in the way thitherward , understanding that the company there expected were not as yet come together , they turn into the Church , where there were some ringing ; where this John Thrift takes a rope from one that was ringing , and soon after delivers it to him again , as you have it in Richard Cottles Deposition , to which I refer you . Now soon after this he espying the Tower door open , arises from the seat to which he had retired himself after his ringing , and beckning to one to follow him , goes up the stairs , as 't is thought , to see how they tol'd the great Bell in the Tower , and being ( in all likelihood ) utterly unacquainted with the place , as he who followed him likewise was , going up a Ladder about 12 rounds , whether by a blow from the trap door , or from the Bell , or from the wheel , or by what other sad accident it is not known , he fell from the Ladder as it is thought upon a piece of Timber lying in a nether loft , and was taken up dead . This as to the manner of his death . Now as touching the condition he was then in , ( beside the opinion of William Love , and the testimony of Richard C●ttle ) take the following Depositions . section 5 The first in these words , John Jones being sworn , saith , That at the time mentioned when Thrift was killed , this deponent dined with him at Mr. Bushnells , when he came there by accident , and drank no more then might do him good : and went thence to the Church where he came by his dea●h ● but saith that he was not distempered with Beer . And saith that the said Mr. Bushnell then went forthwith from dinner to his study , as this Deponent conceived . section 6 Take another given at the same time 〈◊〉 place , and taken in these words : Richard Pinchin of Box , being sworn , saith , That he was then also at Mr. Bushnells at dinner , and speaks fully to the same purpose as doth John Jones , and sayes that there was no drinking after dinner . section 7 Take a third given at the same time and place , and taken in these words ; Jane Hendy being sworn , saith , That at the time last mentioned , the said guests came all to Mr. Bushnells by accident without invitation , as Mr. Bushnell told her , she being his servant . section 8 Let us now take a short view of these contradictory Depositions , and see in which of them there lieth the greater likelihood of the truth : which will be done , if we look on 1. The quality of the persons who thus informed . And 2. If we consider whether of them had the more likely means to know the truth in this particular . In brief , whether of these were more likely to know ; and which of these were more likely to speak the truth . Touching William Pinchin , and William Cottle , and of their creditableness , you have heard something already ; and more you shall hear anon ; and as touch●● 〈◊〉 Nicholas Spenser , I have told thee but now ●●●t he had been twice sworn before , and could remember no such thing , as likewise what may be thought of such who have been at several times admitted to swear against the same person . I have told thee likewise what incouragement the witnesses had to swear any thing against me , and such most made of that would swear most desperately . So that Nicholas Spenser having been twice before them before , and now called in the third time , might by this understand their minds , and prepare accordingly , as I have heard of some Juries , who having been often turned back , at last find as the Judge would have it ; besides , William Pinchins and Nicholas Spensers intimacy grew daily more and more : 't is not unlikely but that he might be then designed Sequestrat●r in case that I were ejected , and that he might know as much . I am sure that afterward it so fell out , and this place of Sequestrator he executes with great port and complacency : and who but William Pinchin to be his assistant in the business ; and his house ( William Pinchin knew how to bring him in a reckoning ) appointed for the entertainment of their Minister : and so might William Pinchin bid him call himself to mind , and perswade him that he was at Church at that time so long , that at length Nicholas Spenser might perswade himself that he was there indeed . As the confident Cheater in the Dialogue fancying that he saw a fearful fiery Dragon in the sky , and reporting it to his companions , ( what with pointing to the place , what with calling on them to look stedfastly , what with wondering at them that they were so dull sighted as not to see a thing which was so obvious ) at length so prevails with them , that they are perswaded that they see it likewise . The ground of this my conjecture is , because I have heard that William Pinchin hath practised with several other persons in the like kind . Nay more , the influence which William Pinchin hath upon this same Nicholas Spenser is so great , that even their own man and associate Mr. Stern hath observed it : and hath ( as I have been told ) reported it , That William Pinchin did lead Nicholas Spenser about the Parish by the nose . Further yet , and perchance most especially , it must be remembred that Nicholas Spenser and William Pinchin are both Tenants to the same Landlord , a Gentleman as yet under age , who ( if at all ) hath been but seldom in those parts amongst them himself , and I think but few others in his behalf . Now there go several reports that William Pinchin and Nicholas Spenser have both been very bold with their Landlords wood and timber , felling when and where they had no License , and such woods and timber , of which by their good wills they would never give account ; so that Nic. Spenser knowing William Pinchin to be so dangerous a man to swear , might think it good for himself to strain himself somewhat to gratifie so good a fellow tenant , lest otherwise William Pinchin should fetch trip , and in another place remember something against Nicholas Spenser which he would not be willing to hear of . section 9 But now as touching the second thing , the means which the persons swearing these contradictions had to know the truth in this particula● It is out of doubt that William Pinchin and William Cottle were not in sight , and it is doubted whether Nicholas Spenser were then in the Church , and yet these charge us . But now it is out of doubt that both William L●ve and Richard Cottle were then in the Church , and both saw and observed all passages , and yet these acquit us . Again , William Pinchin , William Cottle , and Nicholas Spenser , who charge him with being overtaken in Beer , did not see him , nor any of the company beside on that day drink so much as a drop of Beer , and yet we have others who dined with him , who kept him company afterward , who came along with him into the Church , and saw him go to the Tower stairs , deposing that he drank no more then might do him good , and that he was not distempered with Beer . There is no Question that had John Thrift escaped that fatal accident , Nicholas Spenser would never have remembred his absurd carriage or sworn that he had been overtaken in Beer : But now his untimely and hath encouraged Nicholas Spenser to be far more uncharitable towards him then were the Jews towards those Galileans , whose bloud Pilate mingled with their sacrifices . John Thrift must be distempered , he must be a sinner above other men , because such a thing befell him . I could beside these Witnesses have produced more witnesses of as unquestionable credit , who were then at my house likewise : but I cast with my self that if two or three were not enough , then were twenty too few . section 10 There was not then any prosanation of the Lords day at my house by excessive drinking . I add 2. no nor by feasting neither : for the Commissioners have the Testimony of some , and might have had of more , that ( as to me ) they all came by accident , and without any invitation , and some of them were such who had been on the Lords day many a time with Mr. Chambers at a greater distance on the like occasion . section 11 Next after the Deposition of Nicholas Spenser , the Deposition of Nicholas Nowel and Jone his wife was taken in these words ; Nicholas Nowel and Jone his wife being sworn , say , That Mr. Bushnell with Colonel Eyre and his man came to their house ( an Ale-house at the foot of Box hill ) and there remained about an hour and an half , where they drank nine Jugs of beer , for which Mr. Bushnell paid 18 d. and then drank Mr. Spekes and other Gentlemens healths , and say that Coll. Eyres man drank one of the nine Jugs , and they two drank now and then a glasse of the rest , and no person else . section 12 This Deposition I must tell thee , although the youngest of all , as being the 21. yet in their Clerks copy it hath gotten the preheminence of place before many of his fellows . Now before I come to speak to the Deposition it self , I shall premise a few things to thee , which moved these Deponents thus to swear , as it was at this time there testified upon Oath before these Deponents faces , and confest by these persons themselves . I had at that time several witnesses with me for my vindication whereof some were wholly rejected , the Depositions of others never entred , and of some their Depositions entred , and yet left out of the Clerks copy , and of others their Depositions entred by halfs , as I have already told thee , and shall tell thee more in due time . But ( although with much adoe ) I then got the Deposition of Henry Sheyler to be both heard and taken ; part whereof relating to this business was in these words . And this Deponent farther saith , That Nich. Nowell before sworn told this Deponent on Saturday morning last , that Mr. Travers offered to take off his bonds , that he might sell Ale again , if he would appear and swear against Mr. Bushnel ; and that yesterday he said he would not have appeared and been sworn , had not Mr. Bushnell at the time mentioned in Nowels Deposition , told Colonel Eyre of his Gun , and said that therewith be used to kill Hares , and Pigeons . section 13 Here I must tell thee first , That Index Expurgatorius hath been here with his pruning knife again ; for Henry Sheyler then deposed ; That William Pinchin was at the same time with John Travers , and made Nowell the same proffer and promises . I must tell thee further , that soon after this Deposition of Henry Sheyler was taken , Nowels wife ( being before at a window and hearing what had passed ) comes towards the Doctor , ( for unto him were the most especial addresses made ) and after a long and a low Courtesie adds , Yea surely if Mr. Bushnell had not to pick a thank with Coll. Eyre told him of my Husbands Gun , and said that therewith he used to kill Hares and Pigeons , we would not have been here to day to have sworn against him . And still continuing Courtesing to Mr. Chambers , ( who then turned his head about and looked towards her ) she adds farther , That he had known her of a long time . Now if it be true what the Country reports of her , she hath in her time been : very virtuous woman , and of very credible acquaintance . Now when I heard these words so unexpectedly spoken , and that there was as much or more confest then we desired to prove , I could not choose but smile . Which Mr. Byfield noting , was much displeased with , adding withal to this purpose , That it was not , or , that I should not finde it a laughing matter . Indeed it is true , it was no laughing matter . Christians ought to be sorry for others offences , and such an offence I shall prove this to be , that it is no lesse then perjury . And yet thus much let me tell Mr. Byfields friends , that if I were to blame for laughing at it , then certainly he and his Commissioners deserved no commendation for making use of this Testimony ; it is enough to make the evidence suspected , yea and ( be it what it will ) rejected too by equall Judges . If it shall appear to them , ( and it was evident enough here ) That the witnesses depose out of malice , or for hopes of reward . Nay more , such informers are looked upon as guilty of falshood , although they spake nothing but what was true . I wish that his surviving friends would take notice of the marginal quotations and practise accordingly , where they may see that notwithstanding Doeg spake no more then what was true , and nothing but what he had seen and board ; yet David charged him for telling of lies , and with having a false tongue for it ; giving us to know thus much , that it is all one to speak the untruth or the truth , if the truth be spoken in an undue manner . Proportionably say I , in case it had been true what they informed , yet ( since the impulsive which incited them unto it was spleen and revenge , for a conceived injury which I had done them some seven years before , and their aime some hopes that they might sell Ale again ) may they be as justly taxed of falshood and lying as Doeg was . Nay farther , Doegs was a bare information , and no more , and therefore David chargeth him only with lying and falshood , but doubtless he would have had another name for it , if he had thus spoken upon Oath . Nor can any deny it , but that if he who speaks a truth after that undue manner speaks falsly ; then those who swear a truth after that undue manner swears falsly . And could M● . Byfield countenance , encourage and serve his turn with such vile practises as these , and yet thunder against me for smiling at them ? Could he strain at this gnat , and swallow the other Camel ? I shall desire them to observe it that our Saviour speaks the words to the Scribes and Pharisees , whom he calls there Hypocrites ; the Scribes went for the knowing , the Pharisees for the just , holy , or godly of the times , yet both these our Blessed Saviour chargeth with blindness and hypocrisie , to give us to know thus much , that in case we be Scribes , never so knowing ; yet if our eyes are alwayes on others , and never on our selves , we are no better then blind : or in case we be ●harisees , and of never so much pretended sanctity , yet ( in case we should be rigid against others , if we be indulgent to our selves , quick to observe and aggravate , and multiply and judge anothers mote , and wholly in the mean time to forget our own beam ) we are no better then Hypocrites ; Ye blind guides which strain at a Gnat , and swallow a Camel. section 14 But to return to the Depositions . Henry Sheyler , hath deposed That William Pinchin and John Travers proffered to take up their Bond , that they might sell Ale again in case they would appear and swear against me . Now I must tell thee that ( beside this hope , and their quarrel against me about the Gun ) I believe that Nowel and his wife had another thing to incite them to appear against me , which was that they looked upon me as one who had been a cause that their former License was taken away . For I must tell thee that ( beside many disorders which I had heard of from this Nowels house , lying ●ot at the foot of Box hill , as it is in the Deposition , but in a remote place both of the Parish and the County ) there was a complaint made to me by the wife of one John Pitcher , living not far from this Nowels house , which ( as far as I can remember ) was to this purpose : That her husband John Pitcher did usually haunt this N●wels house , and that for whole dayes and nights together ; that he there m●st wastfully spent his money which he earn●d at his hard labour : she his wife and many small children in the mean time wanting necessaries . I think she then told me that her hu●band had pawn'd some of his houshold goods ( as platters or the like ) for B●er ; but this I am sure she then told me ▪ that ( what for some money in hand , what for the satisfaction of an old score ) he was making over a small parcel of sheep which they had , to this N●wel , which if he did , she ●ayes that she and her children must go naked . She told me farther , Tha●●●r husband coming thence in his distemperature , was very outragious and unnatural towards his wife and children ; that he had been there the last night , that he came home but that morning , which was the Lords-day , and that she had left him at home asleep . I ( hearing this sad story from her , and guessing both by her countenance and habit , that her condition was very lamentable , and knowing that she had many small children ) bade my servants to take her in , to relieve her , and withall commanded that they should give her somewhat to carry home for her children , she having told me before , that she had at home no sustenance for for those small children , nor money to buy ; but before she went away , I asked her what her husbands carriage was towards her and her children when he was himself and sober ? she told me that it was both loving and careful , and that he was never so outragious as when he was set on by this Jone Nowel ; whereupon I ( considering the perishing condition which her poor small children were then in , as likewise doubting what might happen in case her husband should awake , and find her missing , having such a woman as this Jone Nowell at his elbow ) advised her for the present to repair to her home , to relieve her children , and not by any means to speak to her husband until he were sober : but then in a friendly manner to acquaint him where she had been , and what she had done : assuring her further , that if this were the order of Nowels house , there should be a course taken with them without her further trouble . Now so it was , that sometime after this Nowels License was taken away , and he forced to give bond to sell no more . The consideration o● these things make me to have a strong conjecture , that Nowels wife conceited that I had acquainted Col. Eyre with their profanations and disorders , aswell as with her husbands Gun , and that now ( having this opportunity , and the countenance of the Doctor , her antient acquaintance ) they were resolved to be revenged on us both , ( I mean the Colonel and my self ) both for the one and the other . section 15 But let us now come to the Deposition it self . To which I shall say , 1. That it is true , that Colonel Eyre , his man William Daniel and my self , coming from Bath one Evening alighted at this house standing neer to the high-way . The reason why we alighted was , because the Colonel complained that he was a cold , the season being frosty , and the time about the 20. of Decemb. 1649. And having a very good fire there made , we sate down for some time and warmed our selves : Col. Eyres m●n , and another ( I take it he was a son of this Jone N●well , which she bore in the time of her former husband ) in the mean time walking our Horses without . I very well remember it that we drank there , I very well remember it , ( for I entred it upon my Book of disbursements assoon as I came home ) that I delivered to this Jone Nowel , 18. d Which I did at the motion of Col. Eyre , he having at that time no silver about him ; which we looked not upon as reckoning , as if in Beer we had spent so much , but in regard that we had there a very good fire , that there was one all the time without with our Horses ; as also for that we looked upon them as poor people , we made light of it , and paid it . Touching drinking Healths , I am confident they swear at random : if any thing , it might be remembrances , which ( I know not the reason of it ) is both a name and thing , which passed among these Commissioners , with better acceptance : but if one or other , then certainly must the latter part of their Deposition , That they two drank now and then a glass , be false ; for in such cases William Pinchin hath told us the use is to put the Healths or Remembrances round : and if so , then there is no doubt but that they had their portion likewise ; and I must tell thee that I have since heard ( for at the time mentioned in the Deposition , I had very little acquaintance there , this being the first time that I ever was in the house since I came to Box , and indeed the only time , excepting that I was once there since , when I went about from door to door to beg for Mr. Blisset , Mr. Hunt , and Mr. Bayly , and the rest of Marlborough ) that this Jone Nowell will not refuse her cup when it comes to her turn . Nay , as I have heard , she will rather be on the fore-hand , taking two for the others one , which she hath done at Corsham so long , till she hath made her self worse then a beast , and not able to goe but by the support of her Neighbours , whereof one carryed her Basket , and the other haled along the Woman , the worse luggage of the twain . I have been told too , that she then fell into a pool with her head forward , and t is like enough , had not her neighbours , William Westbury at whose house she lodged that night , and Thomas Druet , Sen. with much trouble and labour brought her to Box , she might at that time have made an end , and so the Doctor had lost both her Testimony and Courtesie . section 16 And by their own confession our stay there was but short [ about an hour and an half ] and our discourse such as did not in any wise savour of excessive drinking . I remember that I told Colonel Eyre of the Gun , it stood then in sight in the Chimney . I told him likewise , that therewith he used to kill Hares and Pigeons ; but they seem to have forgotten it ( a willing ignorance no doubt ) that I then told the Colonel , that therewith he usually kild Hares and Pigeons on the Lords-day ; it having been ( as I have been told ) a common practice with this Nowell so to do ; and being met on a time with his Gun by one who was going to Church , and admonished by him to go along with him : this Nicholas Nowell gave him this answer , That he got not his living by going to Church . And I assure thee what I told the Colonel , I therefore did it that Nicholas Nowell might by this private Complaint to a Justice of Peace take warning , and that he without any further trouble to the Magistrate , or charge or punishment to himself , would for the future without any more adoe have become a new man. And whereas they cite this Gent. Collonel Eyre , as one that was with me at the same time at their house ; I shall acquaint thee with somewhat which Collonel Fyre had formerly deposed as with reference to my self before these Commissioners , in these words . And this Deponent saith further , That he hath known Mr. Bushnell this thirty years , and hath frequently kept him company , but never saw him drink to excess , and in his opinion have ever walkt as circumspectly as might become a Minister . So far that part of his Deposition . Now if Collonel Eyre never saw me drink to excess , then certainly not now at Nowels . And ( if they say that this our being at Nowels might be at the time that he so deposed have slipt his memory ) I shall acquaint thee , That even touching this our being at Nowels he was ready shortly after to Depose to every one of the particulars in charge against us , according as I have presented the particulars unto thee ; but Mr. Byfield and his friends had before they parted at this time from Marlborough taken a course to prevent that , for they made an order ( conceived to be on purpose to leave Collonel Eyre and my self under the infamy of Nowels Deposition ) without remedy or hopes of vindication of ou● selves ) That no witnesses which I should produce , should be heard or admitted of , of which I shall tell thee more in the close of the Transactions of this day . section 17 I am yet behind with the Deposition of William Sanders , which I told thee because it did much refer to the Transactions of this day , I should deser it till then . The Deposition is in these words : William Sanders of Chippenham Shoemaker deposeth , That about four years since he saw Mr. Bushnell come from the Bell in Box reeling to and fro three or four foot at a time ; and saith that he believes that he was then drunk ▪ for that he fell down , having been at the Bell four or five hours in the company of Mr. Cannings , and Mr. Edward Long of the Moor , and saith , that after he fell in the street he rise again , and so reeled home . section 18 Touching which Deposition , I shall offer to thy consideration . 1. The thing it self as it is reported . 2. The repute or quality of the person who thus deposeth . As 3. Some inducements which might incourage him to appear and swear any thing . As touching the First , That I came from the Bell reeling three or four foot at a time ; that I had been there four or five hours ; that I fell down , that I rose again and so reeled home . To this I shall answer , That if this were true , it is almost impossible but that others should see it as well as William Sanders . For 1. It must be in the day time , else he could not see it , and if in the day time , others must needs see it beside , for the distance betwixt the Bell and my house is at least a furlong , and there are many houses and crosse wayes between them ; and I believe that you shall hardly go between those two houses from sun rising to sun set , but you shall see and be seen of many ; and can he quote no body , not William Pinchin , or Nowell , or Cottle , or Nicholas Spenser , or Obadiah Cheltenham , or some such like , which saw it beside himself ? It was at Caln that Rawlin's wife appeared according to a Summons procured by the information of William Sanders , he affirming that she had seen it as well as himself ; but when as the woman came to depose , she could testifie no such thing , but all on the c●ntrary , and to my vindication and their infamy , if she might have been permitted to go on : But her name is not at all in the Depositions , it being the use to take those Depositions which imported matter of charge against me , but nothing which might represent either them or their Witnesses in their colours . And 2. Whereas he sayes , that I had been there three or four hours , he must needs intimate to us thus much , that he himself had been at that house so long . But now considering the conditions of the woman which then kept that house , this is as impossible to be true as the other ; for she hath often told me of it since ( and I am confident that she will depose it ) that she would be so far from entertaining this William Sanders in her house for four or five hours , as that by her good will she would not have admitted him to come within her doors . section 19 And therefore in the next place let us come to enquire into the conditions and qualities of this William Sanders ; and see whether he were a person of such credit as the Ordinance requires . I shall first represent him unto thee as he was upon Oath represented unto these Commissioners : and after give thee a short story of his infamies , every particular whereof ( had the Commissioners been so just as to have given us leave ) should have been proved upon Oath likewise . section 20 The first in these words ; William Eyre Esq being sworn saith , That sometime since , divers persons being impeached for committing divers Robberies about Sandy-lane , William Sanders , before sworn , was accused to be one of them , and was at the Assizes arraigned for the same , and found guilty by the Grand Jury , but in favour of life was acquitted by the Petty Jury . The next in these words ; Reynald Arlet deposeth , That 15 years since , Sanders before sworn , committed Sacriledge by cutting and stealing the Church Leads . The third in these words ; William Morley deposeth , That under the pretence of a Souldier , the said Sanders in the wars broke up this Deponents Brothers house , and took goods thence to a good value . A fourth in these words ; Michael Baylie deposeth , That about eight years since , without provocation , the said Sanders fell on his own Father , and beat him , and said that he would make an end of the old rogue . These are the very words of the Depositions as they are under the Clerks hand ; although either not taken , or not copied out so fully as the Witnesses deposed in very many remarkable circumstances . section 21 It must not be forgotten , that before these three last Depositions were taken at Marlborough , the Doctor ( belike having before either instructed William Pinchin what was to be done , or else having been informed by William Pinchin what he had done ) beckens to William Pinchin with his hands and twinkling of his eyes , it seems as doubting that William Pinchin had forgotten himself . Whereupon William Pinchin approacheth , and with a low cong●e delivers to the Doctor a piece of Paper , which the Doctor conveyes to Mr. Blisset with some such words , There is a Testimony of this mans ( meaning Sanders ) behaviour ; which was by Mr. Blisset read accordingly . The business was but short , and my thoughts so much upon this Doctor , that I little noted it ; only I remember that there were the names of some whom I knew , set to it , and the names of others which I have heard of ; of which ( as likewise the false pretences by which this Certificate was gotten ) more anon . section 22 I shall tell thee here that William Sanders being questioned for the sacriledge mentioned but now , fled ; and sheltred himself from prosecution ( as the report goeth ) in one or both of the A●mies ; and that he stands answerable for this sacriledge even to this hour ; And was it not an handsome thing in the Doctor to countenance this man against the Minister , that had robbed the Church ? that in stead of bringing of him to condigne punishment for sacriledge which he was then proved guilty of , he should then endeavour to bear him out in his perjury likewise ? But there were men heretofore of such Principles ( I shall say more of them hereafter ) that regarded not who they were they made use of , it serviceable to their ends ; that could Saint , and Anathematize , the same person accordingly as he stood with reference to their interest ; if for them , then had they good words enough for him ; if not , then he was none of the Godly . But to return to the present business ; William Morleys Deposition tels us , that Sanders brake open his Brothers house under the pretence of a Souldier ; belike conceiving that as that pretence had sheltred him for breaking Gods house , so it might encourage him to break open and rob his Neighbours . I must tell thee further , that Sanders doth as yet stand guilty of this felony likewise . And this was conceived to be the reason why his Certificate was at this time delivered in by his Proxie William Pinchin ( it being thought that Sanders himself was then in Town : ) for they thought that if Sanders himself had appeared in person , he should have been apprehended for his former felonies , and so sent to a place where he should have been secured from starting . section 23 I love not to trouble my self or thee with the whole story of his infamies ; let the Reader enquire after him in any place where he hath lived , and I believe that an especial token that he will be remembred by , will be some vile prank that he hath plaid ; and the truth is , that when this Sanders appeared at Box Church-house where his Father lived , we of the Neighbourhood conjectured , either that he had done some pranck elsewhere , and was come thither to shelter himself , or that he was come thither to do some good pranck ; in order whereunto it was observed that he was much accustomed to night-walking , as he pretended to go a Fishing , and such was their credit , if any thing were lost ( Sheep or the like ) and search to be made , the house which the Officers did usually begin with was the Church-house , where this Sanders Father lived and harboured him . section 24 Yet with a pranck or two of his being of latter dayes , being notoriously known and infamous , I shall here acquaint thee with : sometime in the year 1654. I think it was about the 15. or 16. of September , this Sanders being at an Alehouse in Pickwick in the Parish of Carsham , in the company of one Thomas Stockman of Bathford , he falls there to abuse him so far forth , as that he forced him to pay a reckoning for Beer , &c. which Sanders had spent before Stockman came in , and afterwards following the poor man , going homeward ( it being night ) in a lane about half a mile from the house where they had drank , this Sanders overtakes him , knocks him down , robs and wounds him so grievously , that he lay sometimes under the hands of a charitable person for his recovery : Insomuch that complaint was made to a Justice of Peace , who grants forth his Warrant ( yet to be shewn ) against Sanders : but ( I know not the cause of it ) this Warrant was never served upon him , so that he stands guilty of this assault and robbery , even to this hour . Thus much hath Thomas Stockman formerly affirmed , although at this time he would neither be deposed of it , nor prosecute Sanders for it ; for since the time that he was rob'd , and this July 1. this Thomas Stockman is faln off to the Quakers ; and therefore conceives Oaths and prosecutions to be against his Principles . And all this would have been testified to the Commissioners , if they would have given my witnesses leave to speak . I shall trouble thee with one pass●ge more : I having some discourse since with a man of Corsham ( one whom the Doctor knows , and pretends to respect much ) touching this business , and having told him that Sanders was an especial witness against me ; the man by way of wonder speaks to this purpose : Why they would not take the Testimony of such a rogue as Sanders , I think , would they ? and then tells me a story that Sanders on a time coming to his house , fits him down by the fire , where the man ( having some occasion to go into another place ) left him sitting , but at his return ( which it seems was sooner then Sanders expected ) he finds this Sanders with his feet standing in the fire , and his head and his hands up in the Chimney stealing Bacon that hang'd there . Nay , even at this time ; his Oath , and behaviour were such , that it bred astonishment even in those that countenanced him . Insomuch that John Travers sitting by , and hearing his Deposition , was overheard to say to this purpose ; There is a rogue to swear , I could not keep him sober a day together , but that he would be drunk every day . section 25 And indeed the Commissioners might soon have perceived the truth , and credit of this man , if they would have noted , or been informed touching words by him then spoken , he being then upon Oath : and those were touching his fidelity to the State , and his service done to the State : and the wounds ( as he reported yet to be seen ) which he had received in the State-service . Whereas it would have been proved ( if they would have heard my witnesses ) That he received those wounds when he was in arms against the State , and under the command of Captain Thinn : and 't is like enough that he had there continued still , had he not fear'd that they would have hanged him for breaking open and robbing houses ; and this fear it was , and not any good will which forced him over to the other party , there to secure himselfe : and as John Travers reported it , brought a good Horse with him ; to give them some assurance that he durst not go back again to that party from whence he fled ; and ( as Sanders then affirmed ) he became a Souldier under Captain Travers , a fitting match ; like Captain , and like Souldier . section 26 But may some say , That all this , however true , makes him no more then a thief or a robber of both God and man ; or a plunderer , or a paricide , a profaner or a drunkard , or the like . But now this doth not wholly disinable his Testimony ; but could I make it appear that he had formerly foresworn himself , that then I had said something to the purpose . To this I shall answer , 1. That by their instructions the Commissioners were to take the Testimony of none but credible witnesses : and then certainly it will appear by that which hath been already said , that Sanders to all uninterested men is nothing like it : we cannot prove it that those who bare false witness against Naboth , did ever bear false witness against any before : But this it was which rendered them suspicious ( and with just Judges should have been cause enough to abhor them ) because they were sons of Belial , wicked , mischievous , lawless men ; men of so much known infamy , that they would not stick at any thing , which was put upon them , be it either to speak or to do , but in the general were ready for any wicked imployment , and for the particular fitted themselves according to their occasions who imployed them . Such who held a common shop for all commers , and would furnish their customers according to their likings . And here by these Commissioners leave , I shall tell them , that there are other exceptions as well as former perjury ; which with equal Judges , ( such who have the discretion to know , and the conscience to practise ▪ just things ) may render some witnesses unworthy of credit . In that famous trial of Faulconers perjury in the case of the Lord Craven , we have several proofs brought in touching Faulconers former behaviour and credit ; and all taken ( a piece of justice , which I could not obtain from these Commissioners ) as that this Faulconer had been a blasphemous debaucht man , a cousening and cheating fellow , and one that had been several times committed for suspicion of felony ; and all for this purpose , to make it probable that he who formerly had ( for nothing , or but a small matter of profit ) committed such horrid crimes , would not for some greater matter stick to forswear himself . section 27 And now I shall add 2. That the Doctor and his Commissioners had a better opinion of Sanders , then Sanders had of himself ; for Sanders was so far conscious to himself , that his guilty conscience did so far misgive him , as to make him doubt that his former infamies had been so odious , as that they had been enough to disinable him to give in any thing in point of Evidence , and to take off all his testimony in all places whatsoever . For thy further satisfaction in this particular , I shall now acquaint thee with the false pretences and lies wherewithal Sanders , or such as acted for him , got hands to that forementioned Certificate which Mr. Chambers so tenderly delivered in . After such time as Sanders had deposed against me , belike fore-seeing that I should recriminate , he goes , or procures some to go to some of the Burrough of Chippenham , and tells them to some such purpose , That he was to appear the next assize at Sarum as a witness in a trial : in order whereuto he desires their hands to a Certificate touching his behaviour for half a year last past . Doubting ( as it was informed ) that otherwise his Testimony would not be taken , in regard of his former infamies , being both notorious and frequent . Such , as I have heard , was his relation ; but I must tell thee that this relation was false in every particular . For 1. Sanders dreads an Assize or Sessions as much or far more then he doth a Pest-house ; nor can you fright him worse then to tell him that he must appear there . 2. This Certificate pretended for the Assize at Sarum ( where Sanders did not appear , nor had he any business there ) was delivered in three weeks before at Marlborough . 3. This Certificate desired to enable him to take an Oath , was framed and delivered in after the Oath was taken . So that Sanders or his agents have herein notoriously falsified , and imposed upon his neighbours at Chippenham , as some of them ( if I have not been mis-informed ) have acknowledged : protesting against it , and complaining that he hath grosly abused them , in procuring their hands with a lying pretence , & afterward carrying them to such a place , and using them to such a purpose , which was contrary both to his pretence and their intention . So that we have here that old piece of Policy practised , Scelere velandum est scelus , one , a former wickedness covered with a latter ; false-swearing plaistered over with a lie ; by lying he procures this Certificate , that he might imploy it to cover his former false Oaths . Now I do not wonder that William Pinchin , Nicholas Spenser , William Sanders and Obadiah Cheltenham should contrive and practise such unworthy courses ; my wonder is , that the Doctor should so demurely put to his helping hand for the promoting of them ; nay that he should be more forward then William Pinchin : and readier to call for it then William Pinchin was to deliver it in . But doubtless the Caln business did yet stick in the Doctors stomach ; there were a generation of men heretofore great pretenders to godliness , that were very touchie , and very implacable ; and perchance before I make an end of this discourse , I shall make some observes to the Doctor of the Agagite in the Old Testament , and the Scribes and Pharisees in the New. section 28 And now for a full answer to that Question , But can you prove Sanders to be perjured before ? I shall say that readily I cannot , perchance , nor none beside : and this is the reason of it , because 't is believed that this was the first time that ever he was admitted a witness upon Oath against any ; and 't is like enough that therefore he forswore not himself before this time , because that before this time he had no opportunity : the want of which we know hath restrain'd many a one from wickedness , which otherwayes they have had a minde unto . By his own acknowledgment he looks upon his credit as much crased , otherwise he never would have importuned for this certificate . I think it be not usual for men to carry their certificates with them in such cases to any Assize . section 29 But the Commissioners ( being belike pleased with his Deposition , because he had sworn as they would have him , and having in him found such a one as they had looked for of a long time ) were by any means willing to preserve his reputation ; in order whereunto the Doctor ( as I have said ) delivers in the Certificate : Mr. Byfield , Mr. Bayly , Mr. Hunt , thwart with , interrupt and turn back my Witnesses , that they might not inform how infamous Sanders had been . And Mr. Blisset ( he loves to have something rare by himself ) to rebate the edge of the Depositions of Colonel Eyre , Rainold Arlet , William Morley , and Michael Baily , sayes , that those offences were committed long ago , and that since he , that is , Sanders , might become a new man , or to some such purpose . But now I would fain know of M● . Blisset , when this reformation began in William Sanders ? or ( if that Question may seem to signifie nothing ) by what testimony in his life and conversation hath this Sanders evidenced it , that there is any reformation at all wrought in him ? As I remember , Sir Water Raleigh rejects the book of Judith from being so much as Apocryphal , because he cannot find any time , age , or century wherein to place it . And I doubt me that Mr. Blisset would have as much to do to find out the time when William Sanders reformation began , or any thing that doth resemble it , unless he means that his Oaths against me have merited so far as that his name doth now deserve to be put into red letters . And tell me Mr. Blisset , when did his reformation begin ? Did it begin when he was before you at Caln ? I have told you already , and had proved it ( if they would have heard my Witnesses ) that he then forswore himself in your presence ; affirming then upon Oath , That he had received those wounds in the States service , which he received in the Kings ; or in a drunken fray at Chippenham ; or did it commence as his Certificate was delivered in at Marlborough ? I have told you already by how many falshoods and lies he obtained it ; no signs of amendment these , no nor of change neither , unless the change be for the worse . Besides the man whose house he brake up and robbed at Swainswick hath since told me ; That he then took from him to the value of Twenty Marks , that he and his fare the worse for 't to this hour . Sanders in the mean time who hath robbed him , and spent , or worne out , or otherwise disposed of his goods , slants it abroad , bears it high , & is so far from making this man any part of satisfaction , as that he comes not near him so much as to acknowledge that he hath done him any wrong . Anne sunt hae vestes filii tui ? Do your Reformadoes , your godly men go thus clad ? are robberies , and lies , and perjujuries proper arguments of a reformation , Mr. Blisset ? Do grapes bear thorns , or figs thistles ? section 30 And now Mr. Blisset must give me leave to reply upon him , and say , that if William Sanders were such a villain so long ago , and yet no amendment perceived in him , what an overwaxen and overgrown Monster may he be by this time ? To what an height of wickedness may he be mounted up unto , that was guilty of Sacriledge when as he was not much above twenty ? I remember that Medea in the Tragedy meditating mischief and revenge , studies to do something which was answerable to her years ; conceiving something more then ordinary to be proportionable now , because she had committed several strange wickednesses when she was but a Girle . — Haec virgo feci — thus ▪ and thus I did , thus I murthered my Brother , after this manner I deceived my Father many a year agone , when I was but young : But , Majora jam decent scelera ; Greater wickednesses may be expected now from me , now that I am at full growth , and am both a woman and a Mother . Proportionably say I , This William Sanders might ( beside many fair inducements from the Commissioners and Suborners ) encourage himself to some notable villanie from this , that he had been so infamous so long ago ; and might say to himself , That it is but a little more then what I have done already , that I am now about to do . I have already many a time , and oft broke those commands , which enjoyned me not to profane the Lords day , not to dishonor my parents , not to kill , not to steal : and it is but a little more , if for once I break the next Command likewise , that sayes I must not bear false witness , and swear falsely against a Minister . And now that I have done with Mr. Blisset as touching Sanders ; let me add something to Doctor Chambers , as with reference to the same person . I have told thee that at such time as ( amongst other notorious infamies ) we had proved Sanders to have faln upon his own Father , to have thrown him down , and beaten him , saying , that he would make an end of the old Rogue ; Mr. Chambers calls for a Certificate , and promotes it in this Sanders his behalf . And this was the second time wherein he shewed himself very forward either to countenance or defend such who by the Law of God had forfeited their lives . 1. In the behalf of William Pinchin ; and here in the behalf of Sanders : making those crimes to be but small d●fferences in the one , and no great matter in the other ; which Gods Law looketh upon and punisheth as h●rrid , barbarous , and unnatural . And since the Doctor hath thus appeared in the behalf of such persons , he must give me leave to tell him a story . 'T is reported that when Caracalla had murdered his brother Geta in his mothers arms , he practised with Papinius at that time a famous Lawyer , to defend or extenuate the fratricide before the Senate ; of which foul murder the Lawyer refuseth to undertake the Patronage , giving this reason , That it was easier for a man to be a Paricide then to defend it : and this with such resolution , as that it is said that he lost his life for his refusal . Now I question it , whether Doctor Chambers would in such a case have been so backward as this unbelieving Lawyer was ? I believe that he would not , my reason is this : He that shall ( as the Doctor did ) look upon a sons cousening , cursing , frequent beating of his Parents , after a barbarous manner throwing them down , laying hands upon them , taking of them by the throat , drawing his knife upon them , calling them old Rogue , and threatning to make an end of them , as only some small differences , or matters not much to be noted , or easily to be excused ; may rationally be conceived to think it no great matter if he had actually murdered them . But the Reader must remember , that in those dayes Paricides were very frequent , and in great credit ; yea , and that then the Doctor , and his Commissioners acted by a power which had murdered our King , The common Father of us all , and many of their Brethren beside . Yea and farther yet since that present Government by which those horrid Paricides were committed , was that which impowered these Commissioners and Doctors to act , and that a strict enquiry was by them made , who were disaffected to it ? and a severe punishment inflicted on those who were found disaffected to it ; we may safely say , that even these men Commissioners and Doctors did approve of those wickednesses which the other had committed ; and by approving of them , confess themselves to be some of those Paricides . The blessed Reformation being then so much improved , that the breach of the fift Commandment was accounted godliness , but the observation of it scandalous . section 31 William Sanders informs that Mr. Edward Long of the More , and Mr. Cannings were then and there with me at the same time . Now this is the third time that this Mr. Longs name hath been mentioned to his disrepute long after he was dead . Twice before by William Pinchin , and the third time by William Sanders ; indeed I think I may safely say all these three times by William Pinchin , for that Sanders and Cottle were then at Caln , both Catechized by William Pinchin before they swore ; who ( as I have been told ) wrote down something which one of them never spake , and yet he hearing it was ( since William Pinchin had written it down ) content that it should go so ; so that we may guess that these swore not according to their knowledge , but according to their lesson : Obadiah Cheltenham , and I think John Travers being at that time coadjutors with William Pinchin in the same business . This Gentleman Mr. Long was then dead , and so could say nothing for himself or me : yet thus much I am confident will be testified by men yet living , who knew him well , that for four , nay five , nay six years before this Deposition was taken , it was even impossible for Mr. Long to be such as this Deposition represents him , a drinker to excess : as I have said , he was buryed in Decemb. 1651. and for a long time before lay under a lingering and wasting Consumption , which at last brought him to his grave : and this was so visible to his friends , that in case he had been inclined to intemperance , yet they would have withheld him even for his healths sake . It is like enough I might meet him at that house , and like enough it is that I might make some stay there with him ; and if they ask me why , I shall tell the Commissioners and Doctors that the occasions that drew me thither ▪ were far more commendable , and my actings there far more Clerk-like then theirs have been at several Innes , at several places and times , for a longer time together then is mentioned in Sanders Deposition . 'T is too well known , that there were at this time many unnatural differences betwixt this Mr. Long , his Mother , and Brother , which were heightned so far as to some suits of Law : that these differences caused a great alienation of affections betwixt them , so great that ( although but three ) the same house would not hold them ; for the composure of which strifes , there were many ( and some persons of quality ) that travel'd much in it : and it was the pleasure of some of them to take me along with them , as one who was well known to all the disagreeing parties , and well thought of by them : in order to a composure I was sometime with one party , sometime with another , and sometime in one place , and sometime in another , and that for more hours together then are mentioned in the Deposition . And that this was the business which drew me to Rainalds house at this time , and occasioned me to stay so long there , and that I was not at all distempered with Beer , would have been Deposed by Mr. Canion mentioned in the Deposition , who was then and there all the time , and heard and saw all that had passed , but him ( beside many other very material witnesses ) they would not admit of . section 32 And I have now presented thee with all the Depositions against me as I received them under their Clerks hand : and I make no question but the Reader ( remembring how many Depositions I have charged them with which they never took , how many Deposition● were taken but never entred , and how many Depositions were entred by halfs ) will take these for the greatest & worst which they had against me . To which , ( beside what I have already observed ) I shall offer to thy consideration some few things more . 1. Whereas there is mention made of my being at Bailies and Rainalds his Alehouses , and of my drinking there , I shall tell thee , that I had both the women who keep these houses ( being both very antient and their husbands dead ) before the Commissioners , who were there sworn , but their Depositions in the Clerks copy very much contracted , and are only in these words . 1. Sarah Rainalds who keeps the Alehouse aforesaid sayes that Mr. Bushnell seldom came to her house but in Parish business ; nor hath he been there this half year , and the last time not to drink . 2. Elizabeth Bailie who kept the Alehouse aforesaid , being sworn , saith , That Mr. Bushnell never came to her house ( as she remembers ) but upon Parish business for making rates or the like : but saith , that he hath not been there this two years past . This is every word which we have as deposed by them , when as 't is well known that their Depositions were very much longer . I passe by that part of Sarah Rainalds Deposition , where she informs , that I was once there in company when the reckoning came to two shillings , and to Mr. Byfield who asked how many there were of us ; answers that there were about sixteen ; and besides they had Tobacco : which passage the Clerk noted , although he did not take it , and to Mr. Byfield who somewhat scrupled the reckoning , sayes ( looking up into Mr. Byfields face ) that there were sixteen , and that they had Tobacco too . section 33 But now the Question which I desired might be proposed to them both was this , Whether either of them saw me distempered with Beer at any time , or drinking to excess in their houses ? Which Question was proposed to them both ; and they both answered No. If there had been any such thing , that I had drunk hard with Mr. Long or any other , they must needs know it ; and had they known it , I am confident that they would not have forsworn themselves to conceal it . I know not whether it were at this time against them , or at another time against Thomas Brewer that Mr. Byfield took exceptions to this purpose ; That they were parties being Alehouse-keepers , and therefore not likely to speak the truth , because it might prove penal to themselves for entertaining any too long , or letting them drink too much . Now to see the Disposition of that godly man ; he would not believe that any swear truly , but such as swear as he would have them : To do a mischief . With him no Witnesses were credible but desperate ones . Nay , to see the abundant charity of that man ! I presume that he conceived these women to have some understanding of an Oath , otherwise he would not have admitted them to swear , and yet he sticks not to imply that they would perjure themselves to save their five shillings a piece . I had it not at that time in my head , but now let me mind them of one thing more , of which I have some confidence , and it is this . That had these women by virtue of those Oaths which they had then taken , been demanded , Whether they had never seen William Pinchin drinking to excesse in their houses ? they must have answered that ( although much against their wils , when they knew not how to be rid of him ) he hath been drinking , and smoking , and quarelling , and drivelling so long , that he hath made himself worse then a beast ; yea and that ( this would have been proved too ) he hath there disgorged himself , I say not into his Hat , but as seemly as one that uttered his minde , having overcharged himself with Wine and Quince pie . section 34 I had at this time , and before , several Witnesses with me which I desired might be examined upon such Queries as should have been proposed unto them , but a word of exception against them from William Pinching the Solicitor , and Mr. Byfield the Advocate soon silenced or put them all by ; and thus they served no lesse then four at this time , some whereof would have told prety stories of William Pinchin , John Travers , Obadiah Cheltenham , William Cottle , William Sanders , yea perchance of the Doctor too , if they might have been heard ; which doubtless William Pinchin foresaw , and there●ore was so forward to stop their mouths ; Mr. Byfield and the rest ever seconding him , having this pretence for what they did , That what those who deposed against me was for the Common-wealth and present Government , but that those who would have deposed for me , was against the Common-wealth , and against the present Government . section 35 But amongst others , there appeared for me at this time Henry Sheyler before mentioned , whom William Pinchin stoutly opposed , alleadging , That he was a drunkard , and that there had been two Bastards laid to his charge . To which the other as stoutly replies , That that charge might be false as well as true ; but put him in minde of an attempt of a Rape made by this William Pinchin upon a Woman near Bristol , when they two were in Armes in the Kings Army : and had he not been taken off , pretending this was nothing to the present business , he would have told the Commissioners such a story of their witness and Solicitor William Pinchin , naming the time when , the place where , the manner how , together with other circumstances , so filthy , and much worse then beast-like , that I remember not that I have in any Author , either sacred or profane , met with a story to match or parallel it , unless that Lam. 5.11 . come near it ; but this was quasht , and Henry Sheyler permitted to proceed , which he did in these words ; That on Saturday on Whitson week last past , he went to enquire for William Cottle whose wife told this Deponent , that he had been three or four dayes running after William Pinchin to witness against Mr. Bushnel ; upon which William Cottle coming into the house told this Deponent , That William Pinchin promised him , that if he would swear that Mr. Bushnel came drunk from Corsham , he would make him Parish-Clerk and Register of Box. However if he were not ejected , he should be Register . And then said farther , that if he should swear it , he should offend the Gentlemen , if not the Farmers . To which this Deponent by reply bid him speak the truth ; upon which the said Cottle affirmed , That he could not swear that he ever saw Mr. Bushnell distempered with Beer : yet the said Cottle then affirmed that he had now an opportunity to be even with Mr. Bushnell for permitting Col. Eyre to send him to Bridewell for selling Ale without Licence . section 36 Some few things I shall here offer to thy consideration touching this Deposition of Henry Sheyler . 1. That William Cottles wife told him that her husband had been three or four dayes running after William Pinchin to witness against Mr. Bushnell . Now so much she had said before to Anthony Balden , and before her husbands face too ; and thus much was testified upon Oath before the Commissioners sitting at Caln by Anthony Balden ; but it seems ( according to the custom ) either never entred , or else Index Expurgatorius hath dasht it out . 2. William Pinchin offered to make him Parish-Clerk and Register , &c. Now these were places which to mine own knowledge William Cottle greedily thirsted after , and made great suit for , but was rejected for both ; we conceiving him to be very unfit to bear any office about the Church , who had been formerly thought unfit to serve so much as for a Tithingman . I must tell thee further that there was some such trade driven likewise betwixt this William Cottle and John Travers . For William Cottle being summoned to appear before these Commissioners by this John Travers asks him , Who should pay him for his dayes work ? To whom John Travers replies ; That if Mr. Bushnell were ejected , he would see that he who succeeded him should pay him ; but if Mr. Bushnell were not ejected , that then he was likely to loose it . A pretty bait for such a fellow , and questionless enough to make him fetch trip , or ( as Obadiah Cheltenham instructed him ) to swear out right , for otherwise he was likely to lose his present labour , and expected reward ; and that this was discoursed betwixt John Travers and William Cottle was testified on Oath before the Commissioners now sitting at Marlborough by Mary Bayly ; but either not taken , or else Index Expurgatorius hath been here again . And here let me observe this unto thee , how that VVilliam Pinchin and John Travers have their varieties of baits and flies sutable to the appetites of their fish . ( We know that Cataline had such heretofore ; yea Mr. Chambers the chief Priests and Elders made use of the like , Matth. 26.61 . compared with Luke 23 2. ) Nowel they knew longed to have his Bond up that he might sell Ale again , and therefore they promise him , That if he will appear and swear , that shall be taken up . VVilliam Cottle sore longed for these offices , and therefore VVilliam Pinchin baits for him with these promises ; That if he would swear that Mr. Bushnell came drunk from Corsham , he would make him Parish Clerk and Register . section 37 It hath been observed that there are four things especially which cause false accusations , Malice , Obsequiousness , Coverture , and Covetousness ; we have no lesse then all these discovered in this VVilliam Cottle here . 1. Covetousness . The Registers and Clerks place , together with five pound beside , were promised him as his reward ; and he must swear that I came drunk from Corsham , that he might obtain it . 2. Obsequiousness . He seems little to regard it whether he swore truth or falshood ; but whether he should please or displease . If he should swear it , he should offend the Gentlemen , if not the Farmers . 3. Malice , and indeed leavened , stale and sowred Malice ; and such on which the sun had gone down ▪ many an hundred time . That he had now an opportunity to be even with me , for permitting Col. Eyre , to send him to Bridewel for selling Ale without Licence , which happened about Sept. 1653. 4. Coverture ( if it be not somewhat worse ) for he falsly chargeth me of his crimes , and he therefore chargeth me with them , because I had laboured to suppress them in him , when as he was guilty of them ; like the Elders in the Apocryphal story of Susanna ; because I would not consent or suffer him to practise profanations , and other disorders , he chargeth me to have been a practiser of such . section 38 I am now willing to put an end to the Transactions of this day ; only I shall tell thee before , that at this time it appeared that they had somewhat overshot themselves : ( an usual thing for such Polititians ) and that it was in some sort long of themselves that they had not their will of me so soon as they desired . I have told thee already that Mr. Byfield had taken order formerly that we should not in any wise have any copy of the Depositions , which at this time stood us in some stead , for the Doctor and he had then a strong party , ( yea and if not a Quorum , yet a major party ) for them . Their friends of Marlborough , and some one of Sarum , Mr. Phelps , were at their elbows , who no doubt had it in their thoughts to have made a quick dispatch with me ; but my counsel opposed their sentence then , because we having no copy of the Depositions , could not possibly give in any answer or plead to the charge . The Evidences were long , and could not readily be summoned up either by my Counsel , or by him which was for the Common wealth . This obstructed them at that time , and for the present the business was suspended . section 39 I heard the next morning , that my next appearing should be at Sarum about the Assize time shortly then to follow ; but soon after I had word brought me , that it should be before that time and at Lavington : I understood likewise that Mr. Byfield was the cause of that alteration ; for ( having been for some time absent , and at his return into the room understanding what had passed ) the man began to be in some passion , and clapping his hand upon the Table , he fiercely tels them to this purpose , That if that order stood ( the order made in his absence ) or if I were n●t ejected , he would sit no more amongst them . Whereupon ( for as I have said he had then a major party ) that former order was reversed before the Ink were dry ; and I being called in , Mr. Blisset read a new Order to me to this purpose ; That my next appearing before them was to be at Lavington , July 14. where I was to have my final judgement ; that I was not to bring in any more witnesses for my self ; but that they for the Common-wealth might bring in as they pleased . Whereupon for that time I had my discharge , but I looked upon my self as condemned , and that this was only a reprieve from Execution for so many ( that is about 12 ) dayes . The Transactions at my sixth time of appearing before them , July 14. & 15. at the Antelope in Lavington . section 1 ALthough I looked on my self as a condemned person , having now no liberty left me to speak for my self , nor any beside to be heard in my behalf . But that all that were or would be against me , had not only a liberty , but a kind of invitation likewise to speak their pleasure of me , with approbation : and therefore might conceive that this summons was only that they might undo me with the greater reproach ; every son of Belial being now incouraged to wound and insult over me , now that my hands were bound , and my mouth stopt ; yet to Lavington I repair : Excepting that some far sought and prepared youths would have appeared and have sworn up to the suborners instructions , and the Commissioners desires . When Lo , there appear for the Common wealth only William Pinchin , Obadiah Cheltenham , Nicholas Spenser , William Cottle , and one Brewer , I think his name be John , that lived then either in Corsham Parish , or at Weaver-Mill . Of these William Pinchin , and Obadiah Cheltenham , as formerly solicite , the business ; and unless it were in order to that , or his Sequestratorship , or to hear his own commendations , I know not what it was which drew Nicholas Spenser thither . But there were only two prepared to swear . This Brewer and William Cottle . But now as touching Brewers Deposition , as I remember , that was never taken by the Clerk ; but as Brewer spake , Mr. Byfield wrote down something in his Note Book , but what I know not . A story it was he told about an Health or remembrance drank in Colonel Eyre his house , and that I was then present in the room , and he likewise as a servant to Colonel Eyre , but that I drank that health he could not depose : Whereupon Obadiah Cheltenham ( being belike displeased , because he had sworn so much short of their expectation ) , addresses himself to the Commissioners , and tells them , that he ( that is , Brewer ) had represented it otherwise unto them . So that it seems , that they had the Catechizing of him before he came to swear ; yea and possibly this might be done , when as they ▪ that is , William Pinchin , Obadiah Cheltenham , John Travers , met somewhere at a kind of a feast , where ( as I have heard ) Obadiah Cheltenham being a small Clothier , William Pinchin having fulling Mills , and Brewer being a fuller ; this Brewer had some promises that he should be set on work by them Another bait suitable to the appetite of their fish . But it seems that Brewer being at this time under another influence , had forgotten his lesson , and spake not as they had taught him , but somewhat of the truth , and somewhat which was false : for he then and there reported upon Oath , That at the time aforementioned he was then in Colonel Eyres house , and his servant , of which falshood he was then convicted by Colonel Eyre himself , at that time and place present , who then affirmed ( which the other could not deny ) That this Brewer had never been any servant of his ; that he had not found him meat and drink , or paid him wages , which he should be unwilling to ow to any servant . But it seems that the occasion which drew John Brewer to Colonel Eyres house at this time , was this : it happened that this Brewer ran a hunting after their Hounds that day , and so afterwards thrust himself into the house for a meals meat , and 't is not unlikely , but that he might be so officious as to make himself a waiter until his turn came to dine . But now the Information which Colonel Eyre gave touching Brewers Deposition , wherein he largely insisted on the Company there present , as likewise the occasion on which that disc●urse began , as likewise the time and place where it began , and from what it had its rise , as likewise what he would have informed touching our being at Nowels house , in order to his own vindication and mine , was at this time wholly supprest : because contrary to that order which they had formerly made . viz. That no witnesses for me should be admitted . Yea , notwithstanding one of the Commissioners then sitting , Mr. Michel urged that Colonel Eyre should be sworn , and his Deposition taken , yet the Marlborough and Sarum men together , with Mr. Byfield , carryed it in the Negative , because contrary to their good order : and the Colonel being put back , I had not any hopes that any beside should be so much as lookt upon . section 2 And touching this Gentleman , Colonel Eyre , let me here add something ; That as Justice of Peace he had proceeded against many of those witnesses which swore most desperately against me , as felonious and scandalous Malefactors ; against William Cottle , by sending him to Bride-well for selling Ale without License ; against William Sanders by sending him to Gaol about a robery ; against William Pinchin in binding him to the good behaviour , and granting forth several Warrants against him , for beating his Father and Mother out of doors . I cannot say that he acted any thing against Nowel , unless it were in taking away his License : for ( although Nowel hath been since prosecuted for the attempt of a rape , in an house , and in the night time , and he upon the out-cry of the party ( as I have heard ) making away , was yet discovered by the shooe of his Hurl foot , which he left behinde him , yet ) I cannot say , that Colonel Eyre bound him over for it . All which notwithstanding , all these men by Colonel Eyre thus proceeded against for several infamies , are by Mr. Byfield , the Doctor , and their friends at Marlborough encouraged to testifie against him to his reproach , and yet he not permitted to say any thing in his defence . I shall for the present observe thus much unto these Commissioners and Doctors , from a Topick drawn , a Testibus ad Judices . That such Judges have proceeded but with little credit or justice , that have countenanced infamous persons to be their witnesses : and that where sons of Belial are encouraged to testifie , there the Judges are usually such as the Elders were in Jezreel , or the chief Priests and Elders were , Matth. 26. 59 , 60. section 3 William Cottle , as I have told thee , was now at Lavington likewise , but all that he had to say , was only this , that he would be d●posed , That he had never spoken such words to Henry Sheyler as are mentioned in his Deposition : But the man and his proffer were both rejected , and 't is like enough for this reason ; The Commissioners might look upon him already as a perjured person , and therefore might they well think that he would not stick to forswear himself again to excuse it , and as Sanders formerly endeavoured to countenance his perjury with a lie ; so William Cottle minded to countenance his , with another false Oath . But this , as I have said , the Commissioners did not admit ; and yet they made use of his Testimony against me ; yea , and so did the Judges in the case of Naboth , and the chief Priests and Elders , although they knew that their Testimonies were false , and that they themselves had put those false words into the witnesses mouths . section 4 And now when I consider , how William Pinchin , Nicholas Spenser , and Obadiah Cheltenham , would have engaged William Cottle to swear again , I cannot but wonder and tremble , to think how far wicked men for base interests will lead , and how far a wicked man for the hopes of a small reward will follow . This William Cottle ( betwixt the time that he swore at Caln , and this time that he now appears at Lavington ) was heard to wish , that his tongue had been cut out of his mouth before he had sworn against me ; yet now ( being backt by his Tutors ) he is ready with the same tongue to lay a heavier burden upon his soul . Having sworn falsely before , he now appears to swear falsely again , that he never said so . But mark the sequel : and here I would have the Reader to admire , to wonder , to tremble , but not to judge . Shortly after this time VVilliam Cottle falls sick , his wife ( as I have heard ) hath reported it , that it began with a burning in his lips , proceeding thence to his tongue , insomuch that he was forced to keep water in his mouth to cool it , while he was at work ; one who was with him as a Physitian hath told me , that when he came to see him , he found his tongue black , and swoln even out of his mouth . In this sad condition ( sending forth such groans which were heard into the street ) he continues certain dayes , and not long after dies . Now ( considering that sentence was past upon me , Jul. 23. and that VVilliam Cottle was buryed Aug. 18. next following , and that he lay sick for several dayes before he died , and was not buried till some dayes after he was dead ) I say , these things considered , there will remain but a very few dayes for him to rejoyce in my overthrow , or to please himself with the expectation of his reward . It must be confest , that VVilliam Pinchin was somewhat more kind unto him in his sickness , then the chief Priests and Elders were to Judas in his distress ; for ( as 't is reported ) both he and his Mother visit him often ; but now whether or no it were to incourage him with hopes of recovery , or to comfort him with an assurance of his reward when he was recovered , or whether or no it were to confirm him in what he had said and done , fearing that he should repent , and tell the truth , I will not judge . section 5 Reader , think not that I insult over this carcass , or in any triumph tell thee of his sudden and sad fall , or say that he was thus smitten for this cause . Only let me say thus much , that as we may trangress by being too uncharitable in such cases , so we may transgress by being too stupid . And I wish that all that shall read this story , may from this Example have a care to themselves , as with reference to their several actings and relations . If suborners , that they have a care how they prepare and practise with others . If mercenary , that they have a care how they are practised with : and if Commissioners , that they have a care whom they countenance and give credit to . And I wish that these Commissioners may be the last that credit or countenance such witnesses : That Obadiah Cheltenham , William Pinchin , John Travers , Nicholas Spenser , may be the last that prepare them : that William Cottle may may be the last that take such Oaths ; and that I may be the last that suffer by them . And I further wish that these men , W. P. O C. J.T. N. S. yea and the Commissioners and Doctors too , may timely and sadly consider of it ; That if William Cottles soul perish for this cause , then they cannot but look upon themselves as guilty of his damnation . If God will will require the bloud of men at their hands , who seeing others in wicked wayes shall neglect to recal them ; certainly much more will he require it at their hands who shall put them into wicked wayes , and incourage them them to go on . If he who withholds not from Hell be accessary , then much more be that thrusts thitherward . And here let me observe unto thee the portion which divine Providence dispenseth to such practitioners , that do , or say , or swear basely or falsely for reward or gain . 1. They are often disappointed of , and never receive that which hath been promised them , as Cottle . 2. In case they receive it , yet can they take no delight in the keeping of it ; it was so with Judas . 3. That such a thing which they never dream't of befals them , which will never be wiped off , Infamie . 4. That that doth usually befall their families , which by these ungodly courses they labour'd to prevent . I have told thee already , that John Travers promised VVilliam Cottle , that if I were ejected , he would see that he who succeeded me should pay him , if not , he was like to loose it : but a third thing hath happened , which they never dream't of : and who shall pay him now ? Divine Providence so ordering it that I should be ejected : that VVilliam Cottle should live to see it : that he should die before he could receive the reward of his perjury : that that hath befal his family which by this means he labour'd to prevent : and ( if his soul miscarry for it ) he is gone to such a Master for his wages which neither he , nor the suborners , nor the Commissioners , nor their Doctors did then so much as dream of . I say that that hath befallen his family which by this means he laboured to prevent , Poverty . He left behind him many small children , and a wife , who was with the Overseers to ingage for her house-rent ( notwithstanding her late husbands father were her Landlord ) before I was thrust from the place . I have been told since , that this William Cottles widow ( belike conceiving herself to be her husbands Administratix , and that all promises made to him to be due to her ) hath been with some of the ingagers for the portion promised her husband ; which it seems was five pounds , besides the Clerks and Registers place ; but that she was yet put off , and advised to go to Mr. Stearn for it , which hath made the woman to flie high , and to report it , That had it not been for the Oaths which her husband took against me ( which he took upon the incouragement of W.P. J.T. O.C. N.S. ) she believes that her husband had been alive to this hour . From which it is cleer enough that she believes that her husband had sworn falsly ; and that he was thus taken off because he had sworn falsly ; and that he had sworn falsly upon their instigation . section 6 Although they had no other witnesses against me but only Cottle and Brewer : yet I must tell thee , that at this time Mr. Long the intruder of Both , by his Letter gave me an Alarum in the rer● . To the best of my memory his Letter was to this purpose . 1. That I had , without his leave , preacht at the funeral of Mris. Jane Rosewel at James his Church in Bath . 2. That at her grave I used these words ; For as much as it hath pleased Almighty God of his great goodness , &c. 3. That I was not well reported of by the godly . section 7 And here I shall offer to thy consideration : 1. Something touching the contents of the Letter : And 2. Something touching the conditions of the man , which he hath exprest by his several Actings . As to the first branch in his Letter ; That I had preached at James Church in Bath , &c. without his leave . I answer , That true it is , that I then and there Preached , and was thereunto invited by Mr. Richard Masters her son ; but I told him ( before I promised him to do that last office for his Mother ) that I would not undertake it , unless he would first undertake that I might preach there without any obstruction or disturbance , of which he assured me , and told me he would make that his business . Upon this promise I repaired to Bath ( for the former discourse was at my house at Box , whither Mr. Masters came on Monday before the Funeral ) on the Friday next after her decease , the day appointed for her interment ; and coming with the Corps to the forementioned Church , I finde Mr. Long in the Ministers Pew ; who then entertained me with this complement , saying , I was welcome . Yea and sometime after this Solemnity , he comes to some of my friends , and enquires of my welfare , with thanks for my pains , desiring to be recommended to me , as also of my acquaintance . Now how sutable this is to his Letter let the Reader judge : nor heard I of one word of his distast untill the time that I was Articled against before these Commissioners , which was about 18 months after . Tell me ( you Commissioners ) how many times had the Sun gone down upon his wrath in the mean time ? and if they will needs have him godly for all this , I shall tell them that they seem to deal with Mr. Long as the Poets have done by their Goddesse June , whose deity they would assert , and yet they would not deny but that she was of a most lasting malice , and of a most revengeful disposition . Distuleratque graves in idonea tempora poenas . As touching the second branch of his Letter ; That I used at the Grave these words , Forasmuch as it hath pleased Almighty God of his great goodness to take unto himself the soul of our Sister , &c. I answer , That it is like enough that I might use these words , or words equivalent . I ever took her to be a woman who ever lived and dyed in the fear of God , and therefore in Christian Charity was bound to believe that God whom in her life time she had served , would at her death ( of his gracious mercy ) take her soul unto himself . But now were I to speak at the Grave of Mr. Long , ( he continuing to the last such as he hath been ) t is like enough I may say of him only this , That God of his most wise and unsearchable providence had taken him out of the world . And then as touching the third Branch : That I was not well reported of by the Godly . I would fain know who those godly men are which he means , and where they live ? Doth he mean at Bath ? I hereby assure thee , that ( be my conversation what it will , yet ) any there deserving that denomination , godly , could hardly speak evill of me , because I was then unknown to them ; or does he by godly mean William Pinchin , O.C. W.C. J.T. W. S.N.S ? of their virtues and other godly qualifications you have heard somewhat already , and more you shall hear anon : or does he by godly mean himself ? This indeed is something like the rest ; for I assure thee , that ( excepting that time wherein he , together with one Bony a Barber , his Brother in law , then living in Bath , came to my house at Box , to search for the age of their wives in the Register there ) I remember not that I ever exchanged six words of discourse with him : and therefore he ( if godly according to the true notion of the word ) could not speak evill of me , because he had so small acquaintance with me . It must not be forgotten that Mr. Byfield presents this Letter to them with this recommendation of Mr. Long ; That it was written , and came from the Godly Minister of Bath . Now to give thee my thoughts , I have a conjecture that Mr. Byfield and he did act by confederacy , Mulus mulum , that they tossed good words to and fro betwixt them , that they did mutually give and take , and gratifie one another with specious compellations : Godly me , and I will Godly thee : and that therefore they did give such words that they might receive the like . And thus did the Scribes , Pharisees and Lawyers heretofore ( they loved to act according to , and follow the best examples ) who seemed to hold their reputation as it were in common , and took a reproch done to one , as a reproch done to all , Master in thus saying thou reprochest us also : but I doubt that as it was with those heretofore in point of holiness and righteousness , so it was with these now in point of Godliness ; That they understand and practise it much alike . section 8 But to return to Mr. Long , I have told thee that we were to others meer strangers , and although living near , yet it was in several Counties : I never troubled my self about him or his business ; and he now to appear against me in his Letters ? from whence proceeded this ? from piety , or prudence , or any principle that is rational or religious ? certainly from neither . 1. Not from Prudence . What ? a Minister ( if he be such ) against a Minister , and at such a time as this ? when we had almost all beside against us , fot we to be at it amongst our selves ? It may be rationally conjectured that in Noahs Ark the Sheep and the Wolf , the Lion and the Goat , the Hawke and the Dove had no hatred unto , nor fear of each other ; the imminent and dreadful danger which they were all in , made them for that time to lay aside their antipathy : and then for Mr. Long at such a time as this , and in such a manner as this , and upon the sollicitation of such men as these who brought his Letter ; to appear against me ! and to ingage against me in the behalf of such who would crie Aha , so would we have it , at the ruin of us all ! and Mr. Long let me tell you , that I have this conceit with me , that these very men who importuned you thus to appear against me , would to serve their turns , if occasion were offered , be as ready to practise with me to write against you . section 9 No Prudence then in Mr. Longs actings . No nor 2. Any Piety neither . There were indeed heretofore a sort of people who pretended to Godliness , and yet amongst other vile affections were false accusers ; these indeed might have the form , or outside , or resemblance of Godliness , but in their conversations they denyed the power thereof ; and therefore were they the more 〈◊〉 , because they intituled Religion to it , and converted their malicious actings with so good a name , Godly . I would have Mr. Long observe it ( if he understand the Original ) that the word which we English false accusers , or as it is in the margin , Make-bates , is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the same word being Englished Slanderers , and both these , the false Accuser , and the Slanderer , called by the Devils name , because they resemble him in their actings . Now to bring down this to Mr. Long ; 1. I believe he will not deny it , but that his Letter was intended by himself as an accusation against me . 2. And I have already proved it that this accusation , as to him , must needs be false , because he knew me not . And then 3. he appearing by his Letter against me in such a conjuncture of time , place , persons , and after such a manner ; I cannot conceive otherwise but that it was with some spiteful malitious design against me . And therefore Mr. Long must give me leave to tell him , that I think I do him no wrong , if I report him for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , a Slanderer , as the word is rendered 1 Tim. 3.11 . and for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , a false Accuser , as the word is rendered , 2 Tim. 3.3 . section 10 And if Mr. Long will needs be Godly for all this , yet I must tell him that his Godliness is of a much differing kind from the primitive Godliness , and the concomitants thereof . Then was Godliness accompanied with righteousness , faith , love , patience , meekness : So far from offering wrong to any , that it was desirous to do them all good ; so far from hatred to any , as that it wrought charity towards all ; and so far from severity , or rigidnesse , as that it made men most moderate towards offenders . Hence that of the Apostle , If any man be overtaken in a fault , ye which are spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of meekness . It is observed by many Interpreters that the word which is englished Restore , properly signifies to put in joynt any bone of the body which is broken , or out of its place . If then the spiritual man ( the Ministers of the Church ) were to set in joint members that were dislocated , then certainly in no wise to break them when they were whole ; and if to set and restore them in the spirit of meeknesse , then certainly in no wise to break them in the spirit of backbiting and slandering . No fruits of Godliness these , Mr. Long. Nay more , to come to him neerer , and upon the score of writing Letters . The Apostle , although he sayes he needs them not , yet seems to intimate that it was then a custom for Christians , especially Ministers , to grant to others according to their several occasions , their Letters of recommendation ; thereby to procure to those that travailed good acceptance , and entertainment with those Christians to whom they were to go , being upon their own account , utterly unacquainted with them . But now that a man should upon no grounds write against a Minister , and so write against him as one of whom the Godly could not give one good word ! Certainly if this proceeded from Godliness , then it must be from such a Godliness which the Primitive Christians looked on with detestation ; from such a Godliness as was that of the Chief Priests and Elders , Scribes and Pharisees ; not from such a Godliness as was that of the Apostles and Brethren ; for such a Godliness which hath its rise from Hell , and not from Heaven . The Jews , although they hated Paul to the death , and sought for his life often , yet it seems that they wrote no Letters against him to their Brethren at Rome . Malicious although they were , yet their malice seems to be terminated and limited to the parts near adjacent : but Mr. Long hath been more active , and his influence more diffusive , for — section 11 I am not the only man whom he hath singled out to sho●t at : but he seems to be of the disposition of Ishmael , his hand is against every man ; and although I could say much of him in this particular , I shall yet forbear it , because it is in the case of some other men ; nor should I have so much as touched at it unless , it had been to give thee some hint of his Dispositions : And all that I shall touch at is to tell thee of the pains , travel , earnestness , expence , hazard and other unworthy courses , which he hath practised against others as well as my self ; but he hath not found in Sommerset men according to his expectation ; No Doctors or Marlborough men there ; the Commissioners there being Gentlemen discreet and moderate , who as I have heard , have ( some of them ) given him good counsel , yea and turned him off with several rebukes ; and those such as , had they lighted on an ingenuous , modest , or godly spirit , would have been enough to confine him at home with shame and silence . Let others whom it concerns report his carriage and actings then ; what provocations he used to induce some to swear , what pains he took to summon in witnesses , what poor offices he undertooke in his own person , what persons he uses in the business , and what names he hath for them to advance the design ; I say of these , and such other like these , let others speak whom it concerns ; only let me mind thee of one thing which hath been much talked of in Bath and laughed at , it is this : Mr. Long having produced many witnesses ( which it seems in their Depositions did not swear up to his desires ) doth further desire that others then absent might be summoned in end heard , giving these absent men this Character , that they were ( beside many other good Epithets ) godly men , and yet for his Proto-Saint , he names a man whom he doth no more take for godly , then he doth me , or I him . And here let me ( for the close ) observe one thing to Mr. Long , ( for his God-father Mr. Byfield who gave him that name godly , is since dead ) and that is this , That the chief Priests and Elders , Scribes and Pharisees had such a gift , that they could change their countenance too , and speak differently of the same persons , accordingly as they were serviceable unto , or obstructive of their private , malicious , and hypocritical design . These people were much applauded , incouraged , countenanced , perswaded and moved by the chief Priests , when it was to bring our Blessed Saviour to death : but when they went a thwart the design , the best words which they had for them then , are , This people who knoweth not be Law , are cursed . section 12 But leave we Mr. Long , and return to the Commissioners , who ( having now as many Witnesses and Papers as they thought would serve their turns , as likewise a supply of such other Commissioners which would do the business ) imploy Mr. Jonathan Hill to sum up the Evidences against me ; which he doth , but very briefly : his Rhetorique consisting especially in this ; That he labour'd to aggravate my Crimes from the Crimes themselves , from Circumstances , and from the quality of some persons who appeared as witnesses against me ; and lessening their contradictions , perjuries , and subornations , by an argument drawn from a consideration had to the Common-wealth or present Government , whose witnesses they were , and for whom they acted . I cannot forget one thing which he insisted on in the first head , and that was touching the person of Nicholas Spenser , intimating that much credit ought to be given to his testimony , because he was a grave , old Gentleman . Touching his gentility and gravity I shall say nothing ; only let me acquaint thee with this one thing concerning him : That this Nicholas Spenser professeth a skill in the recovery of such who are distracted ; and withall , that he doth sometime practise upon Pigs , being alike distempered ; now I know not what courses he takes for the recovery of men ; but I have been told that for Hogs he hath this Receit ; That he cuts an Apple , or a piece of Cheese , and writes upon it Sare , Nare , Fare , and then by inversion Fare , Nare , Sare , and so gives it the Hog ; for which ( as I have been told ) he hath received money , or something aequivalent . Now this must be either a Charm or a Cheat , both which are punishable by our Municipal Laws : There is Mr. Jonathan Hill's grave old Gentleman . I will not be peremptory neither that Mr. Hill said much upon the second head , nor indeed was it so much as was said and done many a time before by Mr. Byfield and his Commissioners ; who countenanced and incouraged many undue , unjust , yea very vile and wicked practises , pretending that it was for the Common-wealth or present Government ; in the mean time they discountenanced , supprest many just overtures and proceedings of ours , pretending that it was against the Common-wealth , and present Government . section 13 Now I would fain know of these men what they mean by , or what this same Common-wealth was , whose interest must be promoted by such unworthy courses ? Did they mean that present Government as it stood then established ? This cannot be , because I have charged them with , and proved them guilty of the breach of that Ordinance set forth by that power , and according to which they were to act ; and it may seem strange that a man should say , that he acts for the Common-wealth , and yet at the same time violate those laws which the same Common-wealth hath made . I think that I do them no wrong , if I should say , that by Common-wealth they meant some private interest or aim of their own , which yet must go under that Vizor , Common-wealth , that they may drive on the design with less suspicion . But I will for once suppose , that they meant as they said , and that their utmost aim was the promotion of the good of the Common-wealth , taking Common-wealth in the best sense : but then I shall add some few things to be considered of . As 1. That a good end is not to be promoted by evil means ; we may not do evil , that good may c●me of it , in any case . I shall add ; 2. As not in any case , so much less are we to do evil for the promotion of the Interest of the Common-wealth : of any temporal Ordination , Dominions and Kingdoms are ( as of Gods especial institution , so ) under his especial care : The powers that are , are ordained of God ; and as we are therefore to be subject to them , because they are of his institution : ( Caesar is more ours , saith Tertullian , because our God set him up ) so we may assure our selves , that their interests are to be promoted only by such wayes and means which the King of Kings approves of ; which we are assured are none but such as are lawful and just . So that to fancy , that that which is so especially from God , must be supported or advanced by such wayes and courses which God hath expressed himself that he doth abhor , is upon the matter , to say , that our great God wants the Devils help to support his own institution : or that his Government could not be established unless the Prince of darkness did afford some contribution towards it . Mr. Byfield had an Hebrew name , and therefore possibly he might understand the meaning of those words , Perez Vzzah ; and thence he might learn that God takes it much amiss from them , because they put forth their hands presumptuously and inconsiderately to uphold the Ark , although shaken : much more would he have taken it amiss , if they had in contempt of his express command put forth wicked hands to uphold it . I remember , that when Captain Byshop endeadeavoured to extenuate , if not to justifie Faulconers perjury , in the case of the Lord Craven , by recounting the services which Faulconer had done for the Common-wealth , and adding that Faulconer was one by whom the Common-wealth sate safe , at that hour ; The learned Council replyed on him thus ; It is God that we sit safe by , and not by him . Perjuries are not proper means either to advance or strengthen a Common-wealth . I shall say no more in so clear a case , but only in the words of Job , Will you speak wickedly for God ? and talk deceitfully for him . And now I shall add 3. That whosoever shall go about , either in pretence , or otherwise , to advance the Interest of a Common wealth by unlawful or wicked courses , is the greatest enemy unto it . The Throne is established by righteousness , therefore destroyed and over-thrown by injustice . And the former part of the verse , It is Abomination , &c. seems to intimate that not only Piety , but even Prudence , should engage such who medled in Common-wealths , to the observance of Equity and Justice , because wickedness is so destructive to them . Be it then either the Supreme that commands unjust things , or inferior Commissioners that put unjust commands into execution , yet of them all , it may be easily proved , that there are none that are such Malignants to their Government , as are they themselves . Excepting himself and his vertuous Jezabel , I know not of any that did contribute more to the ruine of Ahab and his house , then did those obsequious Elders and Nobles of Jezreel , and their sons of Belial . 'T is like enough , that the State Politique may deride both the Priest and his doctrine ; and it is like enough that Ahab ( before he fell at Ramoth Gilead ) would have derided , or done worse to any man who should have said as much to him . But I would have the State Politiques to tell me , what opinion they think that Ahab hath of it now ? who were the greatest enemies to him and his house ? who were they that brought his family to a sudden ruine , and a fearful one ? could we hear him from the dead , he must needs answer , that he himself and his friends undid him , and that nothing did so much strengthen his Enemies against him , as his own and his Favorites injustice . section 14 Yea , and possibly ( you Marlborough men ) some one whom you lately knew , your polished shaft had not been so suddenly taken away , and his Posterity , your Plant of Renown , laid aside so soon , so as scarcely to be spoken of , but in pity or contempt , unless such Officious Commissioners as your selves , had executed his Ordinances with far greater injustice then ever he made them . You might and did say , That it was for the Common-wealth , for the present Government , and possibly you had thoughts thereby to have established , and perpetuated that Establishment both for him , his , and your selves . And now lo , as to them their honor is in the dust , and as for your selves , you live the scorn of others as well as those whom you have injured : yea , and possibly in a very short time you may be in a worse condition then those whom you have thrust out of doors . section 15 But to return to the Transactions at Lavington at this time : After that Mr. Hill for the Common-wealth , had summ'd up the Evidence against me , and my Counsel on my behalf had pleaded to the charge , we were all commanded to withdraw , that the Commissioners might debate the business among themselves . There were at this time many of them , and indeed a greater number then I had seen at any time before , viz Mr. Thistlethwait , Mr. Michel , Mr. Shute , Mr. Middlecot , Mr. Ludloe of Claringdon , Mr. Hely of Sarum , and the three Marlborough men whom Mr. Byfield had call'd upon that morning at Marlborough , and brought them along with him . Now those that know that Countrey , can tell that Marlborough lieth not neer the direct way from Collingborn to Lavington , and yet Mr. Byfield taketh it in his way thither ; to give us to know , That malicious men will not spare for any pains ; nor are they ever out of the way , so they may compass their mischievous ends . I was told likewise , that Mr. Byfield on the way from Marlborough to Lavington was like to have had some mischance , he falling from his Horse , or his Horse falling with him ; I believe , that if any such mishap had befaln me , he would have made it matter of charge : That either the Horse or his Rider had drank to excess . These Marlborough men , I say , he brought along with him ; and , I doubt not but that he had sent to some in , and neer Sarum to meet him there : for such now appeared which never sate in my business before , nor did they ever hear Deposition of any witness which was taken by the Clerk , and yet they voted against me : of which more hereafter . And indeed the meeting of most of the Commissioners at this time in this place was design in Mr. Byfield , for he therefore reversed that order which they had made for my appearance at Sarum , because he doubted ( as he was heard to say ) That I should make such friends there as to come off ; which to prevent , he both straitens me in in time , changeth the place , and provides himself of such Executioners , that ( right or wrong ) should cut my Throat in private . section 16 And now when the business came to be debated , had you seen how Mr. Byfield bestir'd himself , what weight he laid upon every Deposition against me ; what Rhetorique he used to improve them ; what Salvo's , and lenitives he finds for the perjuries , subornations , contradictions , and other vile practises of those witnesses which appeared against me ; what applications and perswasions he makes to some whom he looked not for there ; I say , had you seen or heard this , you might have been apt to think , that Mr. Byfield had taken more pains in framing this Declamation , then in composing many a Sermon . And yet as zealous , and eager as he was , he could not forbear ( no not for that time ) his beloved Tobacco ; that must be remembred , although he makes many a Parenthesis in the taking off his Pipe. I have yet by me the copy of a speech , which goes by the name of a Speech of Sir Walter Raleighs , spoken by him upon the Scaffold a little before his death ; Wherein ( amongst other passages ) be expresseth himself thus . There is one thing above all that doth most afflict me , and that is a most false and scandalous report that hath much blemished my reputation and honor ; How that when that Noble and worthy Earl of Essex left this world , that I stood in a window drinking Tobacco , laughing and making merry at his downfal . Although I compare not my self to the Earl of Essex , not Mr. Byfield to Sir Walter Raleigh , yet let me observe thus much upon his words : That if it had been dishonorable and scandalous for him thus to do , being but a spectator ; then it would have been much more dishonorable and scandalous for him thus to have done if he had been a Commissioner , or an Informer against him . 'T is true indeed , my life was not then in question , but yet my livelyhood , my reputation , the exercise of my profession ( which a man ought to prefer before his life ) were ; and then for Mr. Byfield ( as 't is said then a Minister ) to be eructing out of his mischief in smoak against a Minister in such a conjuncture of time , was a carriage so misbeseeming , and such a scandal , as that I believe , none that they ever turned out were proved guilty of . section 17 One thing more must I acquaint thee with , which happened while we were at Lavington ; upon my coming to Town , and bringing Colonel Eyre , and some others along with me of good quality as witnesses , ( which as I have told thee , were all turned back by vertue of Mr. Byfields order , ) I was told that one neer related to the persons and practises of these Commissioners , should say to this purpose , seeing us come in , That Mr. Bushnell had brought such and such along with him , but that it was to no purpose : for he could not stay at Box , because that place was appointed for another man. And now to see how murder will out , we have now the reason why they countenanced so many infamous perjur'd suborners against me , and that was this , because I had a considerable Living to lose ; that they had appointed it for another man ; and ( as I shall tell thee by and by ) made their advantages by turning me out , and bringing another in . I remember that Plutarch tells us of one Quintus Aurelius , who in Sylla's time was proscribed and doomed to death , only for this , that he had a fair house at Alba. And let me add a little farther ; That to thrust out the Incumbent , right or wrong , was not the only piece of injustice these Commissioners and their then corresponding friends at London have practised ; for beside the Ejectment of the Clerk , they had an Art to defeat the Patron of his presentation . And without doubt this hath made many a man scandalous , That these Commissioners had a resolution to dispose of , or to be gainers by the disposal of their Livings . Let Patrons speak for themselves : as to mine one particular I shall say only this : 1. That by their own Confession , my place was appointed for another man. Which 2. I believe was the man who hath since my ejectment held it , Mr. Sterne ; who lived formerly in a Living Sequestred of Mr. Walkers at Chilmark , and it may be was there as a kind of a Curate to Mr. Sangar , Dr. Chambers brother in law . But at this time was destitute , and therefore right or wrong , a place must be provided for him elsewhere . But yet 3. These men , as godly as they are , love dearly to be fingering money . Mr. Stern hath said , that Mr. Blisset had twenty pound of him , ( I believe half the money would have made Mr. Blisset my friend ) which in all probability he had an eye to of a long time , and therefore his utmost power must be improved for the thrusting me out ; otherwise he had lost his expected gratuity which he was to receive for bringing the other in . Twenty pound sterling ; that was a g●od Circumstance indeed Mr. Blisset . section 18 But to put an end to the Transactions of this day : after a very long debate : ( for Mr. Byfield and his Commissioners met with more obstruction in the business then they dream't of ) I was discharged from Lavington , having no more said to me then but only this ; That I was to appear before them again at Sarum , at the Assize time then shortly to follow ; and there to undergo their Examination touching my sufficiency . The Transactions at my seventh time of appearing before them , at the Three Swans in Sarum , July 23. section 1 ANd having been so many times before them , and waiting so long before I could be heard , I had in the mean time the leasure and the opportunity to see and observe other Ministers who were there besides my self : and I made my self curious to enquire who and what they were , and what the business might be which drew them thither . And was answered that some of them were related to some of the Commissioners , as brothers , kinsmen sons in Law ; and that their business thither might be either to tender their humble respects to them ( Mr. Byfield and the Doctor especially looked to be honoured ) or else in order to some augmentation , or change . That others there present I was told wanted livings , and that they repaired thither ( as Vultures follow Armies ) expecting shortly some execution , that they might be in a readiness to seize , and feed upon the prey . Both these I looked upon as Volunteers , and that it was matter of advantage that brought them thither ; but now there were others there who appeared as Prest-men , and were forced in upon summons , amongst whom I reckoned my self ; and therefore I made my self the more inquisitive touching them , conceiving their condition to be as mine . Touching some of which , I was told , that there were heavy Articles in charge against them , and many proofs of those Articles , but that the carriage of some body was so humble , and a Speech which some body made so winning , that he was discharged untill further order : but since I have heard that some body hath furnished one of the Marlborough Commissioners with a Horse , yea and that some body hath presented him with a parcel of Hay since that , so that it may be that the Horse or the Hay , made the Speech , and not the Master . These are but Circumstances Mr. Blisset . Against some others I was told , that there were Articles too , but yet that they would come off , because there was money advanced yearly , for the relief of Marlborough . Against others I was told , that there were Articles too , but yet there was but little danger in the business , because the persons so charged had been with Mr. Byfield and bowed before him , or were of the Association , or of some Classes . Now I hearing this , could not but conclude my self a man whom they had resolved for ruine , because I had practiced none of these wayes ; for notwithstanding one neer related unto me was told , that to stand out in my justification was not the way to get off as also of another way which if I practised , might procure my discharge , or to some such purpose ; yet I was resolved that neither Horse , Money nor Hay , should go for me . I being otherwise taught , We must not do evill that good may come of it . If I had deserved ejectment , they ought not to have discharged me for a reward ; if I had not deserved it , they ought to have discharged me without it . section 2 I was told likewise that there were heavy exceptions taken against me that I came not amongst them , Mr. Chambers , Mr. Byfield , &c. and that I did not make one at their meetings . That I did not Associate , but rather that I not only neglected but despised them , or to some such purpose . And doubtlesse ( with the Doctor and Mr. Byfield ) this was enough to make a man Scandalous in the highest degree . Give me leave therefore to tell thee the reasons why I did not thrust in my self , and make one at their meetings : for although there were no law which either injoyn'd or forbad them ; and therefore such meetings of themselves ( being not simply evill ) might be matter of indifferency ; yet unto me there seemed not an indifferency ad utrumli●et : but that ( all things which I proposed unto my self rightly considered ) I conceived it better for me to forbear and to stay at home . For 1. I saw no great good which had come of them , or which in likelihood might come of them . And 2. Because they had no Commission so to do , and that the times were touchie , hazardous , suspicious , I doubted what interpretation the Civil power might have put upon such meetings . And 3. Because the persons who were the leading men among them were as fierce and rigid in their way , as are any ( I believe ) on this side or beyond Twede ; neither did I know what matters they would propose ; or how far the managerie of them might be extended . It was since our memories that one lost his head , and others were in pitiful Case , for meeting & acting some things against the then present Government . And whether or no the working heads of the times might not have strained these meetings to some such construction , I know not . However the pretences might be specious and fair , yet the design of some might he had enough ; and although some might appear there in their simplicity , yet others might have had some further differing , perchance contrary aime . And this we must have been sure of , that the project of but one or two , if disrelished , would have been accounted the crime of us all . In short , I had heard so much of the dispositions of some of them , that they could not hold , but that they must needs be medling in matters which they had nothing to do withal ; all concernments both of Church and State must come through their fingers , although directè , they were wholly for Sermons , and Directories , yet indirectè for Acts , Ordinances , Orders , Proclamations , in which I will not say they were better versed ; but sure I am , of these some of them made more use then they did of their Bibles . I should not have spoken of it , unless a friend of their own Mr. March. Needham had observed it , That the Presbyterian Government ( if such as the Kirkmen would have it ) is no good friend or servant to the civil ; Nay , he affirms further , that the setling of the Presbyterie in their Mode , would erect a Power Ecclesiastical distinct from that of the civil : for ( saith he ) It is a Maxim among all Presbyters , and we find it pleaded for at large in the Confession of Faith , set forth by the Assembly of Divines , That there ought to be a Jurisdiction in the Church , that is in their way of Discipline , distinct from the Civil . Which Tenent of distinction ( he adds ) must needs be the same in eff●ct with that of the Church of Romes Supremacy ; seeing those who plead now for a power without the Civil , will not be long ●re they arrive to such an height of presumption , as to act above it , or against it● in pursuance of their own designs : it will be impossible to keep such a Church in Discipline within its limits in any Common-wealth , which makes the same persons Civil Subjects and Eccl●siastical Superiors . Of the like strain may the Reader meet with much more in the same Author , against whom I believe they will take no exceptions , being one that hath deserved so well from them , as that he ingaged in their quarrel so far as to cast down their great accuser Mr. John Goodwin . section 3 And it may be upon this very conceit might the Doctor and Mr. Byfield intrude so much , and act so fiercely as they did in matters of that Cognisance , which they had nothing to do withall ; for as I have said elsewhere , by their Ordinance , the Ministers had nothing to do but only to be assistants to the Commissioners in matter of Examination touching sufficiency ; yea , and as I have heard a Lawyer told Mr. Byfield , that by an Act of Parliament , made about the beginning of the long Parliament , Clergy men were wholly excluded from having any hand in secular imployments . All which notwithstanding none take so much upon them in matter of scandal , as these two ; it were no groundless or irrational conjecture to say , that thus they might do upon confidence of the Presbyterial power , in whose Chair they might fancy themselves to be , and that they were they that ought to have Dominion ; yea and notwithstanding they tell us that they hate Popery to the death ; yet they may be pleased with , and practise according to the Jesuites , &c. In o dine ad spiritualia , which could they extend according to their desires they would leave but little for the Secular Power to take cognisance of : Mr. Byfield and the Doctor , they sitting at the stern , and directing the course , and the Hackney Marlborough men tugging at the Oar , and wafting them to their aims . Those for their repute , honor , sway , these for their advantage and gain : one sort loving to be obeyed and reverenced , and the other sort loving to be fed . These dangerous consequences I presume the present Civil Power will have so much providence as to foresee , and will have so much prudence is to prevent . section 4 But to return to Sarum , being in Town , July , 22. the day before the Examination , I went to visit Mr. Eyre with whom I had formerly some acquaintance , his house being neer to the house where I lodged : with whom I had not been long , but looking through a window into a Court which leadeth into his house , I see William Pinchin and Obadiah Cheltenham making thitherward , whom Mr. Eyre meets at the door , and after some short stay with them he returns into the room again with a letter in his hand , which I conjecture he received from W. P. and O C. and that it concerned my self ; and this Letter possibly Mr. Eyre might have shewn me , had not M● . Byfield the Doctor , and a third man whom after I understood to be Mr. Strickland , ( somewhat you see wil bring Mr. Strickland under Mr. Eyres roof ) came shortly after unto his house : whether it were design in them , or accidental to come so soon as the others were gone , I cannot say ; which three ; when I saw making towards the room ; I withdrew into another , from which after some short stay I returned back again to Mr. Eyre , who then told me ( these three being gone ) that Mr. Byfield had told him ; That the major part of the Commissioners were satisfied touching the matter of scandall proved against me : as I remember I said no more to him but this . And what make I here then ? But these words of his brought somewhat to my mind , which I had read of Bishop Ridly , who although he were sent to Oxford to Dispute , yet his death was resolved on by Gardiner and Bonner , before he went from London , or had ever framed Argument . And now Mr. Byfield hath given me a Perspective wherewithal a man might look into his godly Bosom ; for it is now manifest , that this Examination was intended to no other end , but that by it I should the more condemn my self ; for what ever I had said , it would not have procured my discharge , because I was condemned before ; and if I had said any thing to disrelish so learned , so prudent , so pious , so just a Quorum , as were the Doctor , Mr. Byfield , Mr. Hughes , and the Marlborough men , it should have been improved to have made more against me : Non intererat occidentium quid dicerent , was the old rule of law , and since we have been told , that there is no reply to be made after that sentence is past . Mr. Byfields friends must give me leave to tell them , that I have heretofore read of such as himself , and in this particular ; and who should they be ( Mr. Byfield loved to make use of rare men for his presidents ) but the Sanbedrim at Jerusalem . ( Reader , think not that I intend the resemblance to hold , save only in this , That Mr. Byfield and his friends were somewhat like the chief Priests and Elders ) Who 1. Sought for and encouraged false witnesses , against that blessed person whom they studied how to destroy ; which witnesses falling short of their expectation , they 2. Themselves proceed to Examine him , Vt ex ipsius ore aliquid elicerent quod ipsum oneret , that they might intice something out of his own mouth to charge him withall . section 5 But come we to the Examination , which was the next day following , at the three Swans , where I appeared about two or three a clock in the afternoon , where I found Mr. Chambers , Mr. Byfield , Mr. Hughes , and the three men of Marlborough , beside many other Commissioners and some Ministers . There were then with me Colonel Eyre , my Counsel Mr Carter , and another a Minister , who were desirous to have heard the Examination ; but could not be admitted by any means , because there was an Order made , That none should be in bearing but the Commissioners , and their subordinates . I have a conjecture , that Mr. Byfield ( if not the sole Author , yet ) was a main promoter of it , because he was so zealous , that it should be observ'd , and also gave some reasons why it was made : for when some of the Commissioners , ( I having expressed my self , that it should have been indifferent to me if the doors were thrown open , and that all that would might come in ) urged that others might be admitted , Mr. Byfield insists upon the Order , adding something by way of a seeming reproof for their inconstancy , Nay if you will not stand to your Order Gentlemen ; and then gives the reasons which moved them to make and to keep it , and that was , That if all were admitted , then would the whole Countrey know what Questions they proposed . And what if they had heard or known them ? were your Questions such that you were ashamed that they should be known ? or was it for fear the Countrey should ( hearing your Questions and my Answers ) think better of me then you were willing ? and have been apt to discharge me whom you were resolved to ruine ? But it may be Mr. Byfields reason that all should be excluded , was not that the Countrey might not know what Questions they proposed , but that the Countrey might not take notice that Mr. Byfield proposed no Question at all ; for I remember not that by way of question he said so much as a word to me . That tongue of his , which at former times ran upon speed , so that nothing could stop it , seems now to be cripled , and to be downright lame . So that , were he living , we have now got a receit to cramp Mr. Byfields tongue , and is that to discourse of matters of Religion . section 6 This business of Examination held for a long time , nor will I give thee any account of it , because I hear not that they say , that they ejected me for insufficiency . Let them report of it what they please , yet will there lie this disadvantage against them , That there is not much likelihood that they should report the truth , which took such a course that the truth should not be known . But for the Readers satisfaction in this particular , I hereby let them know that I shall not refuse any of them in any of the Publique Schools of either of the Vniversities ; where I am sure there will be no orders made to shut the Auditors out of doors ; nor shall Mr Chambers cry out against me for this as he doth against Mr. Dell , Satis pro fiducia , as is the man , such is his confidence : for I assure him , that he cannot have a meaner opinion of me and my parts , then I have of my self ; but yet mean although they are , yet perchance not so contemptible in respect of theirs . I remember , Homer , although he account Menelaus to be too weak to encounter the warlike Hector , yet he makes him match enough to combate the effeminate Paris . section 7 After the business of Examination was ended , and I with-drawn , there comes to me into the chamber , where I was sitting with Colonel Eyre and my Counsel , Mr. Blissets son the Commissioners Clerk , with advice to me that I should resign , adding that then I might be capable of another place , whether he came from his Father with his word in season , I know not . I know not neither , whether he came in any way of curtesie with this advice ; possibly he might by this , give me to know , that the same hand which had disposed of my Living for another man , might upon the like consideration dispose of another mans Living for me . But this his advice of my resignation , and the reasons of it were rejected , with some contempt both on Colonel Eyres part and mine own ; it being no other then ridiculous , that a man should be capable of , and thought fitting for another place , and yet not fit to keep his own ; and therefore , as I said , this Proposal was either that they might make their advantages all manner of wayes by putting another into my place , and setling me elsewhere , or else that they might the more triumph in my ruine , because in thus doing I had contributed more to mine own ruine then they possibly could ; having by a Resignation made my self utterly uncapable of returning to Box , as also of receiving any profit thence which might be allowed to such as were Ejected . section 8 Shortly after this , I was called in again to receive my doom , which was pronounced against me , by vertue of that Order which Mr. Byfield , and his Marlborough men had procured against me at Lavington about twelve dayes before , and had lain dormant by them ever since , as a trusty reserve no doubt , which ( if they could not destroy me any other way ) should not miss to knock me down . I observed that while my sentence was reading , Mr. Chambers had pull'd down his hat somewhat low on his face , but for the residue of his face which might be seen he looked very big , and possibly might say within himself , That now he had taught me to bring a man of his merit upon the Stage , to make him the discourse and laughter of the Countrey , for leaving Claverton , and going to Pewsie . Mr. Byfield in the mean time was playing with a Tobacco-pipe between his fingers ( although he forbore to smoke it for that short space , yet had he the P●pe in a readiness , and was filling of it out of Mr. Martins Box before I left the room ) and seemed to look merrily at it , which minded me of that Risus abest nisi quem visi movere dolores . No laughter there appears Unless for others tears . section 9 And yet I assure the Reader that as to the main , Mr. Byfield was very much disappointed in his Expectation ; I have heard say , that his word was , That if he could not bow , he will break them ; if he were not dead , I should say it was a fitting Motto for an Inquisitor ; however I must tell his surviving friends , that as to mine own particular he was so far from hitting the mark , as that he hath missed the Butt : whosoever shall light on these sheets , and read them , will readily say , Surely he hath not bowed me , there being not a line in the whole , relating to himself , that relisheth of begging ; and for breaking me , I wish ( so it might not be to their torment ) these qu●ndam Commissioners had seen how contentedly I lived without my means ; how little I grieved for the loss of it ; how little I desired the re-injoyment of it : Yea , let me tell you farther , that ( although ignorant and scandalous you account me ) I have often read Psal . 37. and there I am taught ( and I humbly thank him , God hath given me a heart to learn ) not to fret my self because of evil doers ; nor because of him who prospereth in his way ; because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass : although I never envied your power , yet I pitied you for your managery thereof ; and ( for all your spiteful , vile unjust proceedings ) I desire to have no revengeful thoughts against you ; nor had I in the Publication of this Narrative any aim to asperse you , but to vindicate my self : Yea , and let me tell you farther yet , that ( although you had it not in your intentions ) yet my Ejectment hath been some wayes advantagious unto me , and that in securing me from several vexations , and a continuation of fears , doubts , charges , compliances , visits and other inconveniencies , which had I continued at Box , I must have been exposed unto , all while you continued in your power , and executed your power with so much injustice . And this whether I look on the Commissioners or mine accusers . section 10 1. For mine accusers , the chiefest of these was William Pinchin , of whose perjuries , subordinations , and other his vile and base practises I have spoken somewhat already , and more I shall say , when I give thee a short view of his life ; and yet this man must have been humor'd by me , and humor'd in his baseness : Nay , not only humor'd , but fed too ; I must not have dared but have fu●nished him , whensoever he asked ; and his poor indigent condition was such , that he would have been alwayes craving ; and if I had denyed him at first , or questioned him afterward , 't is like the fellow would have grown surly , and have stopt my mouth with the Commissioners , or threatned me with Tho. Cox , or his Mr. Chambers , or Mr. Byfield . I remember , that sometime before I was questioned , this William Pinchin came to my house , to borrow some money of me , with which I did not at that time furnish him ; whether it were because I then had it not , or whether it were because his mother had formerly borrowed a considerable sum of me , as she said for him , of which I was not then satisfied , no nor ( what through their base sharking shifts , and mine own easiness ) am I ever like to be , I now remember not ; but as for me , he then went without it ; but it seems he was then so neerly driven , that he borrowed what he could get from my servant . I have heard that he was highly displeased , that he went without it . And possibly took this course of perjury and subornation , to be revenged of me for it . Now under this pressure I must alwayes have lain , nor would there have been any way to have kept him from forswearing himself against me , but to have lent him what he had askt for , and never after to have demanded it of him . His mother Jone likewise would have been sneaking after me , whose property is not only to forget curtesies , but to repay them with base usage , in denyng what she hath received , or by patching with those to whom she hath been beholding ; ever beggarly , and ever base . I must likewise have made much of John Travers , as long as he lived , and Obadiah Cheltenham , they must have been entertained and thanked , yea , and rewarded for frighting me ; and my benevolence should have been spent at the next Alehouse , they making themselves merry at my charges , and laughing at my fear , which had furnished them to pay their reckoning . section 11 Then for the Commissioners and their appurtenances . Thrmas Cox doubtless would have visited me often ; and I must have been as neerly related to Mr. Blissets son as Mr. Stern was : and although Marlborough were too far to send Hay , yet doubtless something would have been expected there , although less visible , yet not less chargeable . I could have expected no more curtesie from them then they vouchsafed to others , and that was only a dismission until further Order . So that I could have sooked upon my self at Box , for no better then their Tenant at will , and that their favour towards me , would have been according as I remembred them : whereas I was since freed from all these charges , and continual fears ; and if any man in my absence enquired for me , I have had no cause to fear that it was Thomas Cox , your Agent . Mr. Blissets son hath had no relation to me ; neither might the Marlborough men , or their wives , expect any Horse , Hay , Money , or Plate from me . Nay more , should I have chanc't to have met your Doctor on the way , I should have given him ( not such reverence which he looks for , but ) such respect as I thought fitting : and upon some such weighty account , I have been told that he was distasted at me ; and so was Ham●n the Agagite against Mordecai . Nay , ( which is more then all ) the very sight of Mr. B●field did not since affright me ; but on him could I look with pity or contempt , whom my terrified brethren durst not think of but with tremb●ing . section 12 I have but little more to add at this time , and that is touching Mr Lud●oe of Claringdon , and Mr. Hely of Sarum These I have told thee appeared at Lavington , having never sate in business before : nor ever heard the Dep●sition of one witness , which was taken by their Clerk ; and therefore they could know nothing but by information from Mr. Byfield and his friends of Marlborough , and yet these sentence against me . And it is like enough , that as they were sent for , for this purpose , so were they resolved what to do before they came out of door . Touching Mr. Hely , the wonder will not be so much to them that know him . But now for Mr. Ludloe , a Gentleman ; that he should in a matter of so great concernment , be so easie as to be drawn in against me , and ruin me in my livelihoood , my reputation , my profession , my hopes , only upon the information of others , of such others ; I will say no more , but only thus ; that if Mr. Ludloe had been in my condition , a Minister under question , and I in his place , a Commissioner to give my vote ; if I should have voted against him , upon no better grounds then as yet appear to me , he hath voted against me , I should think that men had done me no wrong , if they had made this report of me , That it was pity , that a man no better qua●ified ▪ should have so much power ; and that in my sentence I had little regard either to pieny , prudence , conscience , or justice . section 13 And now as touching Mr. Hely , I have been told , that a great exception which he had against me , was this ; That I was a Common Prayer man. I think he could not have said more in my commendation ; like Balaam , instead of cursing , he blesseth me ; he condemns me for having done my duty ; and sentenceth me to deprication for using that Book , whereas by the Law all Ministers are liable to deprivation , because they do not use it . So that he dooms me being innocent , to that sentence which the Doctor and the other Ministers had deserved . The Transactions at my Eighth time of appearing before them at the Three Swans in Sarum . March 17. 1657. section 1 AND now 't is like mine enemies had prevailed as far against me , as their justice of corrupt Judges , the malice of perjured witnesses , the restlesse impudence of the sons of Belial could desire . Both Commissioners , Doctors , and witnesses be like triumphing to think how much they had undone me . Notwithstanding it were by Candle light that I were senten●ed yet was there an order issued our the same night ( I guess that William Pinchin and Obad. Cheltenham were not more earnest to desire it , then the Doctours and Marlborough men were to satisfie them ) impowering Nich : Spensers , and Joh. Harding to the sequestratorship of the ptofits of my Vicarage . Which suddainly they enter upon , and pro●eed in it with much diligence and revo● . Nich : Spenser especially , traversing over the Parish with a Hony-pot under his Coate , doubting ( as I have been told he should say ) that he should not receive enough for his winter Toasts . And clearly my condition was then such , that as they had taken a course that I should not stay at Box , so there was a course taken by others , that I should not know whether to go , or how to imploy my self for a subsistance . For I was not in a capacity to receive any fifts , because I was unmarried ; and utterly disabled to the performance of any ministerial duties , so much as to teach a private school , because I was ejected . And possibly these considerations might encourage the Commissioners , Doctors , witnesses , to act as they did , because they had now an opportunity to undo me according to their desires . They having deprived me of my present livelyhood , and the Protectors Declaration of Nov. 4. 1655. debarring me of all hopes of getting any livelyhood for the future . section 2 Which Person and Declaration since I have mentioned , let me ask his Marlborough Commissioners and Ministers , and was this the thing whereby he merited so highly of them , as that they in their Addresses to his Son must needs call him Polished shaft ? I believe that they were beholding to their Doctors for their expression , and I believe again that they th●t Doctours took it out of Isai . 49.2 . where the Messiah tells us that the Lord had made him such . And certainly this so properly agreeing unto him , as not without blasphemie to be communicated to any other . These men were by their Patrons instructions , to eject men who were found guilty of blasphemie ; and lo , I believe that a more shameful and gross piece of flatterie , and Blasphemie , hath not been lately heard of then is this of their own . No nor in former ages neither , unless that of Acts 12.22 . come neer it . But yet ( I would do these men what courtesie I can ) I will suppose that by that expression Polished shaft , they mean no more but this ; that although propriè or primariò none can be justly stiled so but the Messiah , yet secundum significationem limitatam , & restrictam , in a limited and qualified sense others may be called so likewise . As Kings and Judges are called Gods , because they receive their Commission from God , and so ought to imploy themselves as in his busisiness : the same word giving them power to act , and likewise cautions touching their behaviour in that power : and so proportionably might they borrow this Epithet Polished shaft , and bestow it upon their Patriot . But now ( this being granted them ) they must yet give me leave to ask them , and with what congruitie ? and how do these words belong unto him ? if I mistake not , the Messiah is there so called because he was sent of God to subdue his , and the Churches enemies . But now what enemies of God , or of the Gospell or of the Church did your Protectour subdue ? Stile you him by this name because of these ordinances ? if so , then you speak by contraries ; therefore a Polished shaft , a vanquisher of the Churches enemies , because the first undid , and after stopt the mouthes of hundreds of able , and orthodox Ministers . And whereas the Apostle saith it would be woe to him if did not preach the Gospell , ( which woe is still impendent upon all Ministers who shall wilfully neglect their duty , ) this Protectour takes such an order , that it should be woe unto them if they did preach the Gospell . And yet a Polished shaft . The Church of England hath not greater or more bitter enemies then the Jew and the Papist . The one hating us because Christian , the other because reformed ; and and yet both these had his favour . The Jew a kind of an invitation , neer of the date with this Ordinance : the other , entertainment in the royall palace , when as hundreds of Ministers , I believe truely Godly , and I think as learned as ever our Church enjoyed since the Reformation , were not only thrust out of their livelyhoods , but also cast off from executing the Priests office unto the Lord. In this more like to the son of Nebat , then the son of God. And whereas those ejected Priests , and Levites had the land of Judah to go to , and there find both a livelyhood and an imployment : This their Polished shaft , had so ordered it , ( it is Mr. Pryns observation ) that they should have no imployment neither at home or abroad . Nay more , ( to put them and their families upon a necessitie of starving ) he not only enacted that they should have nothing to subsist by , but also made it penal after the most ignominious manner , if they went about to beg . Which ( sayes the same Mr. Pryn in the same place , ) was such a transcendent Barbarisme , impiety , and high way to extirpate religion ( as pious , learned Arch-bishop Vssher told him when he mediated for their libertie , as he told Mr. Pryn and others with tears , which b●oke his heart soon after ) as the Pope and Jesuits themselves could not have invented the like ; and exceeded all forraign persecutions against Protestant Ministers in Piemont , Bohemia , and Silesia by Popish Princes being of a different religion , but he a pretended protestant zeal●t . This is the Marlborough mens polished shaft . section 3 And whereas they have none to liken him to , but the Holy one of God , the best ; I can hardly find one so wicked as to be joined in comparison with him , unless it were Jeroboam the son of Nebat , who out of a politick respect ( like unto his ) thrust out the Priests and Levites , both from their service , and their livelihoods ; and after he had taught them the made of sacrificing , suted : himself with Priests of the lowest of the people , or the the Sanhedrim at Jerusalem , who commanded the Apostles not to teach at all , or speak in the name of Jesus . The Apostate Julian , although he be looked upon as a bitter enemie of the Church of God , although he persecuted them , although he scoffeà at them ; yet I read not that he silenced them . One of the worst things which he is reported to have done against them , is , That he forbade them the publique Schools , and studies of Arts and Tongues : which Decree an Historian ( principled like himself ) stiles Inclemens , obruendum perenni silentio , merciless , uncivil , and to be buryed in everlasting silence ; and yet these Marlborough Addressors think not a name ( fitting only for the Son of God ) too good for their Patron , who had made a decree against Christian Ministers , far more barbarous then was that of Julian . 'T is true indeed , in the close of that Ordinances , he hath a kind of a qualifying Proviso , and talks of tenderness to be used , but it is under such conditions , that if men should observe them , they must cease to be what they ought , Godly indeed . And whereas he talks of tenderness , many a one in this Land of ours can witness what his tendernesses have been ; and have found the words of the wiseman verified in him , The tender mercies of the wicked are cruel , Prov. 12.10 . section 4 And indeed this Declaration was of such a tender and Godly strain , that shortly after my Ejection , some sitting as a Parliament ( although the far greater part chosen by the Countrey were by him excluded ) thought it not fit that it should be continued , and therefore by not confirming of it , they null it ; and not only so , but also they make further provision , That all ejected Ministers whatsoever , marryed or unmarryed , not having 30. l. per annum , or 500. l. in personal estate , might be capable of receiving fifts : which fifts the Commissioners by vertue of that Act , were required to allow them , which I believe was no good news either to the Marlborough men or their Doctors . section 5 Having such grounds for my claim , I repair to Sarum , about March 17. 1657. for the Assize being there held about that time , I had some confidence that I should find the Marlborough men and their Doctors there ; nor was I disappointed of my expectation , for there I find them at the three Swans , sitting in Mr. Byfields lodging : and being told that my application to them must be by way of Petitioning , I imployed one , who was a kind of a Clerk to them , to draw it up in their usual form , which he did in these words ; Sheweth , That your Petitioner being by your lawful authority displaced from , &c. which word lawful , a friend of mine ( being somewhat acquainted with their proceedings ) did somewhat stomach at : which dislike being perceived , their Clerk ( belike knowing that lawful was not a word which belonged to his Masters the Commissioners & Doctors ) was content to strike out , and so it was , Being by your Authority displaced , &c. wherein according to the Act I moved 1. for a fifts . And 2. That to be allowed from the time of my Ejectment , which was above a year and half before . And 3. ( in regard I lived in Bath , which was in another County , and a days journey from any place where they usually sate ) I moved that this might be setled at this their present sitting . In order whereunto I had then some with me , who proffer'd themselves to be Tenants to my Vicaridge at 100 l. per annum ; for the payment whereof there would have been better security given then 3. or 4. of the Marlborough men should have given out of that estate which is lawfully theirs . Now Mr. Chamb. hearing Henry Sheyler ( for so was his name that made this proffer ) promising 100 l. and having heedfully ey'd him all the time , asks ( belike fearing that the Commissioners should have forgotten so necessary a question ) Whether he were sufficient ? 't is like he meant , to pay the rent , which he profer'd . And here to see how these Doctors , Mr. Byfield , & Mr. Chambers , concur'd in questions fundamentals . What 's your Living worth a year , quoth Mr. Byfield ? Is he sufficient , to pay the rent , quoth Mr. Chambers ? This business did in no wise concern Mr. Chambers , unless he mistook the Examination of the sufficiency of the Tenant , for an Examination of the sufficiency of the Minister . But it may be that the old business of this leaving Claverton and going to Pewsie , did yet stick in the Doctors stomach , and therefore having undone me in the gross before , he now improves his spite , to undo me by retail . Let me here observe something unto thee touching this Doctor , and such as himself . When they are at any time questioned touching their leaving of their first livings , ( which many of them have done ) these livings being of but a small value , and then intruding themselves into other Livings , and the Livings of others , per fas , aut nefas , right or wrong ; and those such which are of a greater value then their own Livings , which they had repudiated : or when they labor for augmentations , or unions of two or three Parishes into one , ( these men will abhor Pluralities as odious as bigamie ) and all for their own profit : in excuse for their shifting and changing , or consolidating , they will tell you either that the former air did not agree with them ; or that by the exchange , they might win more souls , or ( with more truth and plainess ) that they were even enforced to this change for a comfortable maintenance for themselves and theirs , which their own Livings could not supply them with . And yet these very men ( the Doctor for one ) have no such weights or measures for others . And when I say others , I mean Ministers , and such ( I speak not of my self ) who are every whit as deserving as themselves : whom they can be content , not only unjustly to thrust out of all , but also to defraud of that small pittance , a fifts , which the Modern laws hath allowed them ; measuring unto us by the small Ephah , but weighing to themselves by the great Shekel . The Doctor must give me leave to tell him , that I have read of such who were of this judgment , that Right and Property to a thing were founded in grace ; and that all men were usurpers who were not of the Godly . Now we know well to whom this Epithet Godly , hath been by some men appropriated in these latter years , and for what purposes : and therefore might the Doctor be so fierce against me , as one ( I being not of their Mark ) on whom even an Alms were cast away . section 6 Mr. Blisset had his fling at us , at this time when Henry Sheyler offered 100 l. per annum for the Vicaridge ; saying to this purpose , that Mr. Stern did not make above 90 l. per annum of it . It seems that Mr. Blisset was well acquainted with Mr. Sterns receits , and I doubt not but that he and his son William , have been well acquainted with some of Mr. Sterns disbursements likewise . But at this time at Sarum there was nothing done , for notwithstanding I had procured one who proffer'd himself to be a tenant to my means under such a rent , and in regard of the distance I then lived at , and the uncertainty of the time and place of their sitting , I urged for a dispatch at that time , yet as to my business nothing would be done , I being put off only with this answer , that I should come before them at some other time and place , whereof Mr. Stern should have notice , that they might bear what exceptions he had to make to my demands . This was a business which did not please them , and therefore they delay me , on purpose ( belike ) to tire me out : or in case I would be clamorous , they would so order it , that my expences in waiting on them , should amount to as much as the fifts , which they intended to allow me . The Transactions at my ninth time of appearing before them at the Angel in Marlbo . April 28. 1658. section 1 I Was told the next morning , that their next sitting would be at Marlborough , and that ( if I would have any thing with them ) I must appear before them there , where ( notwithstanding the nomination of that place gave me an an assurance of the justice which I should find ) I appear according to an Order I received from their agent Thomas Cox : They had by this time obtained an addition to the number of both Commissioners , and Ministers , so that now they needed not send , or go to Sarum for it , they having a Quorum of their own neerer hand . Upon this additional account there sate at this time Mr. John Keyns of Marlborough , and another , who then lived in the Parish of Bradford , being one who hath varyed his name so often , that it is hard for me to say , what is the right ; but at that time he wrote his name John Randolph . section 2 Mr. Stern according to summons appeared there likewise , bringing with him N●cholas Spenser , and William Pinchin so often before-mentioned , all whose business was to make what exceptions they could to defraud me of a Fifths , and a very gracious car they had from the Commissioners . Mr. Sterns first exception was , that I had carryed away many doors , which legally I could not remove . To which I answered , That I had removed no more then I brought , and that in case I had exceeded , he was to seek his remedy elsewhere , this being no obstruction to me for a fifths . Upon this Mr. Byfield begins a very learned Lawyerlike discourse of what he had heard in that Case , and that was to this purpose , That in case the doors were banged in Jimmals so as not to be removed without drawing of a nail , that then legally they could not be removed , but if only in hooks , that then they might : in which judgement of his all parties did acquiesce : and indeed this speech of his minded me of some words which were frequent in the mouth of my predecessor Mr. Coren ( a man too much given to sutes of law ) who would often say , That he was better read in the Acts of Parliament then he was in the Acts of the Apostles . Another exception which they had against me , was non obedience to their Orders , and this was made by Nicholas Spenser , and to me ( who asked what order it was ) he answers , It was an Order which he had re-received from the Commissioners but that he had left it at home , but added that he shewed me another Order which I would not deliver back again to him ; this order I had then about me and a very wise one it was , for I was required at my peril to deliver up possession by such a time ; and yet no person named to whom I should deliver it up , but this , as nothing to the purpose , was waved likewise . Another exception which they took was , that I was worth 500 l. and this was managed by Mr. Stern , and W. Pinchin M. Stern affirming that he had heard so and William Pinchin affirming the like : possibly if he had been called upon another time , William Pinchin would have fetcht trip , and if need were would have sworn that he had known that I had been worth 500 l. but these exceptions signified but little , and therefore were soon waved likewise . The next thing we fall upon was the valuation : I have told the formerly , that I brought one with me to Sarum who profferd a 100. l. per annum for it , which profer they were resolved not to accept of . And therefore they all imploy their united Forces to beat down the value of Yea notwithstanding Nich : Spenser and William Pinchin had not long before valued my Vicarage at 86. l per annum , at the parish rate , yet are they not now ashamed to say it was too much , John Ranoulph giving them this hint that it did usuallie pinch on the Parsons side . These men W. P. and N. S. having the same measures for me as some men say they have for their customers , a greater and a less . If I am to pay a Tax , then the Vicaridge is worth 86. l per annum , but if I am to receive a fifths then it is not worth so much . Nor did these Commissioners that I could perceive take any notice of this ; unless it were to countenance it , although in thus saying they manifested themselves to be such as honest men should abhor to be , and just men should abhor to countenance : but honestie and justice were vertues neither in use nor credit either with the Commissioners , Doctours , or witnesses . One thing more touching these men N. S. and W. P. it is this : It may be that it was not only to injure me that they thus laboured to beat down the price of my living ; they might in this have some aim unto themselves : for so it was that N. S. and W. P. shortly after this become tenants to M. Stern for it , and therefore t is like they did so much undervalue it , that they might rent it at the same rent . section 3 During this debate touching the valuation M. Byfield sends for a large paper booke written , which afterwards I understood was his Domes-day book wherein he had the value of all the livings in the County : and turning to Box he finds it valued at 80. l per Annum , and so he stints all further debate touching the valuaion , because ( as he said ) that valuation was given in upon Oath : soon after which he falls to reading of that Ordinance of Parliament , which allowed a fifths●o ●o such ejected Ministers who were married , for a maintenance of their Wives and Children , and then asks me whether I demanded a fifts by vertue of that ? to which I replyed with some indignation , that he knew that I did not , being unmarried . But I added further , that I demanded a fifths by vertue of an act made 1656. Upon which words of mine he asks me whether I had that act or not ? my answer was that I had it , and seeing me about to pull it out and read it , he add's that they had it too , and thereupon amongst an heap of Acts , Ordinances , Orders , Depositions , Charges , a great Tobacco Box , pipes , candle and candlesticks he finds it out , and reads it . Now to see the disposition of this pretious scribe , I think we do him no wrong to conjecture that he therefore proposed that Question to me , Have you the Act ? with a purpose to have defeated me of a fifths if I had not had it by me . His spite towards me continues still ; had it been to do me a discourtesie , doubtless that Act had been in a readiness , but now it was purposesly supprest , and had never been produced but upon constraint , to let us know thus much , that voluntarily or with a good will , he would do nothing but mischief : and that when he did any thing which was right , he was even enforced to it . section 4 And since he is gone , and that this was the last time that ever I saw him , I shall say no more but this of him ( had he been living till this time , I should have said much more to him ) which I found by mine own experience , that he seemed to be a man of a stirring spirit , and one that proposed no other end unto himself , but himself , nor scrupling any thing which he conceived conducible to that end , his desires ( for so much as I could discern in him ) being rather that he might be feared then loved . I seldome hear of any courtesie which he did to any , unless it were by accident , and out of a cross humour to others , who would have done some mischief without his consent : so that it may be said that he dislik●d not the injustice , but this , that any should do it without has approbation . I seldome come into the company but that he is much spoken of , and yet very little which is commendable ; and since gone I think scarce missed , or lamented , or wished for by any , unlesse by such as the men of Marlb : or those who have injoyed other mens livings , and desire to keep them : and as touching his lay Commissioners of Marlborough , I believe that they loved him as much as he loved them , and that was very little : and yet they kept a fair correspondency , which doubtless was because they could not be without each other , and so their mutual respects grew not from affection but interest . I cannot charge him with receiving either Bribes or gratuities , as hay , horse , plate , money : possibly it was not covetiousnesse which made him to be so mischievous , but an imbred malice in him . If I had known that a present would have prevailed with him , or had I been minded to have practised with him that way , I should have courted him with a handsome Quantity of Spanish Tobacco , to which he was the most immoderately and scandalously addicted , thar ever I saw any man. And yet ( considering how many Livings he had got into ; how many Ministers he had displaced , and even starved , and that in his translations he ever had an eye to the Barn , Glebe , and flock of Sheep , more then to the Church ) it may be conjectured , that he was of like Passions with his Brethren , of whom every Countryman can now observe , that their religious cry hath been only for self-interest , that their removes are for their advantage in revenue , and that their Gain is their Godliness . All which notwithstanding , I have been told that he died but poor , unless it were in Books , of which ( and of very choice ones ) be left a handsome Library ; and perchance for this very thing he died the poorer , it being thought that he came by his Books as lawfully as he did by his Living . To speak in short , I look upon him as a man who was mischievously bent against every body , yea , and that , al things duly considered , he was more mischievous to his friends then his foes : for ( and here let me yoke up some of his fellow Commissioners and Ministers to him ) I believe that many a one of their Witnesses in my business had not contracted upon their souls those horrid crimes of perjury and subornation , &c. had it not been for their countenance and incouragement . I believe that were he living , he would confess , that he did me as much mischief as he could ; and yet I believe that one of the same Tribe did me more , although he were more secret in it . If you desire to know any thing touching his Religion , I think you must enquire of Hugh Peters , or Philip Nye , whom it is like ( had he lived till this time ) as he had been a confederate with them in their Traiterous and mischievous actings , he might have born company in their punishments . section 5 But to return to mine own business , having withdrawn some time , that the Commissioners might consider of it , I was shortly called in again , and told by Mr. Bayly ( for he was Chair-man at that time ) that in lieu of a Fifths , they had allowed me 12 l. per annum to be paid half yearly ; the first payment to be made on the 29. of September then next following , which was more then two years after I was ejected , and so to be paid by 6 l. every half year , on 25. of March , and 29 of Septemb. until further order . I presum'd that they intended not this as any curtesie to me , and therefore expected no thanks , being indeed worse towards me then the more civil sort of Theives , of whom I have heard , that having rob'd men of all , they have yet upon their complaint restored them again a considerable part of it For this Order , Mr. Blissets son William would needs have 2 s. 6 d. which I told him , was more then I should make of it . And since I have mentioned this Order , let me observe something unto thee , touching the Commissioners who made it : and all shall be to acquaint thee with the fittingness of these men to be im●loyed in matters of the meanest trust ; and how little they regard a Parliamentary power , unless it be to serve themselves by it . For 1. they were by that Act to allow me a Fifths , and yet all , things considered , they did not allow me a Tenths . 2. This they were to allow me , if not from the time of my Ejectment , yet from the time that the Act commenced , which was in Septemb. 1656. and yet they allow me nothing till two years after . 3. They were by this Act to settle this allowance to me during my life , whereas this was only till further order . And indeed this same until further order , was in much use with them ; and I believe that it brought them in many a round sum . If any were discharged , it was only until further order : If any Fifths were granted , it was until further order ; they ever kept us in a dependance and aw of them : and doubtless mens good behaviour was lookt upon , accordingly as they or their wives were remembred : and indeed , as to my self , this same until further order , cost me and my friends ( considering how many journeys we made , how great expences we were at ) even as much as the Fifths came to , for we made one journey to Sarum and two to Marlborough , before we could receive a penny . I remember that Mr. Blisset , when the order was read , sayes ( having pull'd down his Hat , and looking upon the Table ) That I had put Mr Stern to a great deal of charge , and seem'd to intimate , that therefore they allowed me no more for a Fifths . And here to see how this Treasurer chargeth me with his crimes : for it was he and his son who had put Mr. Stern to so much charge , and not I. For — section 6 Beside the twenty pound which Mr. Blisset had born him , of which I have spoken already , ●●y ( as Mr. Stern reported it ) demanded ano●her round ●●m of him for their charges●or ●or thrusting me out : And upon this occasion Mr. Stern reported in , when Michaelmas was ●ome , and that small pittance which they allot●●d me for a fift he became due , I implyed some ●●●●nd● to demand it in my name , and to receive ● to my ●●fe , by vertue of that Order ; to whom Mr. Stern makes his answer to this purpose , That he accepted not against the Order , but that he ●xpected that I should pay a fift part to all Taxes wherewith al he was charged : and being demanded what th●se charges were , he answers , That the Commissioners demanded 15. l. of him for their incident charges in thrusting me out , of which he ex●●●ed that I should pay a fifth part . Now I believe that Mr. Stern would never have spoken those words , unless his other friends of Marlborough had 〈◊〉 some such thing unto him ; and that they would have stood by him in it , and have made in good : for notwithstanding when my Brother had told them of it , they seemed to make strange of it , and to be unwilling to own it , yet all this might be , because they were then under another influence ; their Polished shaft , Oliver , was dead ; and his son Richard , their Plant of Renown , had called a Parliament , which was at that time sitting , amongst whom there were many persons of honor ; who ( as I have been told ) had a resolution to question these Commissioners , both touching their power and their actings ; which was enough to make the Marlborough men to tremble , and possibly therefore they change their Note , because the times were changed . section 7 I must tell thee likewise , that some of the witnesses who were so fierce against me , ( reflecting belike on their own merits , and learning of the Commissioners ) demanded and received from Mr. Stern , as he hath told me , considerable sums for their incident charges which they had been at in appearing so often against me , to swear me out of my living : conceiving belike , that if the Commissioners were so well paid for their injustice , then might they expect to be paid for their perjuries : and ( considering the conditions of some of them ) I believe that they did not ( as some poor , cheap Knights of the Post ) swear at a low rate , or for a few six pences or shillings . William Pinchin doubtless knew how to value his Oaths as well as he did his bread and cheese ; and much according to those Souldiers in the Gospel , that would not be hired to bear false witness , but for large money , section 8 And clearly those words of Mr. Stern , that he expected that I should pay a fifths of their incident charges , put me in mind of something which I had read of Phocion of Athens , who being unjustly condemned to death , was afterward inforced to buy his poyson , and to be at charges for his own Execution : these men serving me in the same manner : for ( as not content to take away all that I had ) they would have made me pay them for undoing of me . And as in this , so in another particular likewise : for ( as thinking they had not enough undone , in turning me out of my house , on the reparations whereof , and the mounds , I had laid out neer an hundred pounds ) Mr. Stern prefers a Bill against me in the Exchequer , ( I guess being incouraged thereunto by these men ) for dilapidations , to the value of more then I think he is honestly worth . Now I cannot think that Mr. Stern ever would have prefer'd such a Bill against me , unless it had been upon their incouragement ; nor do I believe that they would have incouraged him thereunto , unless they had thought with the wise once in the Psalm , That they should never be moved ; their long success in their wickednesses having possest them with that delusion , that God did own them for his ; and from this consideration , that the Divine power made use of them as the instruments of his displeasure , to correct others by , ( which sober men take to be an argument of his displeasure , rather then of his favour ) they forthwith sooth themselves up that they were his beloved ones . These men little dreaming that their foundation was laid upon Oliver : and that Oliver's foundation was laid upon the most unparallel'd wickedness that this Land was ever guilty of : and that a building raised upon wickedness is never without a woe ; and that the higher such a building is carryed up , the neerer it is to ruin . section 9 I told thee but a little before , that Mr. Stern prefer'd a Bill in the Exchequer against me for dilapidations : I must tell thee now , that upon my answer he forbears to proceed , as likewise the reason why he let his sute fall . When the Bill was dismist the Court , for want of prosecution , I had a subpaena for cost for non-prosecution , which an Atturney serving upon him , asks him , What his reason was that ( since he had begun his sute ) he did not go on with it ? To whom Mr. Stern makes his answer to this purpose ; That the times were various , every moneth bringing forth some change , and that this was it which made him give over ; for , said he , should it come to that pass , that Carolus Dei grati● should be written instead of Custodes Libertatis Angliae , actum esset , all his hopes would perish : from which words of his it is evident enough , that he himself distrusted his own case , if proceedings should come to be legal : and that all the hopes he had that his sute should succeed , was only from this , that wickedness should still prevail ; for that then he might expect to find such Barons in the Exchequer , as he had found Commissioners at Marlborough . section 10 I have not yet done with this 15 l. charges incident ( and when I have done with that I have done withall ) for let me now observe unto thee , what a beneficial trade these Marlborough men made of it , let the wind sit which way it would . I think in this particular , out-doing the Jews themselves , for they would so far improve their opportunities , that fall out what could , they would turn it to their advantage : for were it that Ministers were summoned , or not summoned before them , ejected or not ejected , yet , be the chance what it could be , it proved alwayes to be a winning cast for them . I shall say but little of the former , because it never was mine own case , yet there are those whom I know , that can tell you how often Tho. Cox their agent visited them , and what his business was , what dangers he sets before them , and what advice he gives to prevent or remove those dangers ; in brief the business is , Vna eademque manus — some quarterly feeling , he must be paid for preventing that storm which was of his own raising . And then for those who had been summoned to appear before them , I have told thee that all the discharge which they had , was only until further Order ; which must needs keeps them in a continual fear , and force them to a continual charge : nothing was too good , nothing too much for these Marlborough men and their wives . And now as touching such who were in my condition ejected , they had that Art , that if they could get nothing by keeping of them in , they would be sure to get by turning them out . And here I can speak upon mine own knowledge , 20 l. Mr. Blisset had ( I know not for what else ) for putting Mr. Stern in , and 15. l. they demanded for thrusting me out ; 't is good being a hang-man upon such terms ; and questionless this was enough to make me scandalous , because I would not d●ub , and they were resolved to get by me one way or other . I have read of several persons , who in this particular , have been somewhat like these Commissioners ; but the fittest example for them , is that of some Sheep-stealers that I have heard of , who have been so mischievously thievish , that they would destroy the sheep for no other cause , but that they might have the wool . And now one would think that they had undone me as much as possible , and yet Mr. Stern hath told me , that he is a greater looser then my self , that I am 400 l. the worse , but that he is 500 l. the worse ; so that to me he seems to have met with some of such a disposition whereof I have heard a Miller to be , who stole five pecks out of a Bushel . And if it be as Mr. Stern hath reported it , Mr. Blisset hath not been wanting to himself in this business ; for he hath not only made the Vicaridge of Box bring him in plentiful returns to his Treasury for the present ; but also he hath so providently provided it , that it shall yield him a crop after we are dead and gone ; for as Mr. Stern told me , he hath gotten the next presentation to the place : so that now it is not to be wondred , that he ruin'd me first , and ( after he had received his largess from him ) cared not how soon Mr. Stern were gone from the place , in order whereunto it was endeavoured , that he should be made weary of it ; because his turn was next : and so upon Mr. Sterns avoidance , he might make use and benefit of his Presentation . These , Mr. Blisset , are Circumstances that supersede all former Circumstances whatsoever . And now by way of Conlusion , I had thought to have addressed my self to our renowned Patriots now sitting in the high Court of Parliament , and humbly to have begged this piece of justice from them , That they ( who call greater Oppressors to an account , and force them to cast up their ill gotten morsels , the incomes of their oppressions , bribery , perjury , subornations , and the price of bloud ) would not think it below them to look upon such men as these : in their places indeed much inferior , but to their power altogether as mischievous . Nor should I have any aim or end of mine own in it ; neither reparation nor satisfaction for my losses sustained , should I have looked for . Only this I conceive most equitable , that if I were content to sit down quietly by my losses unjustly sustained , then should they be inforced to surrender up those gains , which they have unjustly got : it would be too great a temptation to future ages to make them adventure on the like , if they should hear that such who were guilty of such horrid crimes , should yet go cleerly off with the profits of their wickedness . But since his Majesties gracious parnod may extend even to these ; I shall not go about either to enumerate their crimes , or to aggravate them . May they injoy ( if it be lawful to wish so ) the returns of their injustice . May Mr. Blisset and his Marlborough friends thrive better by their Commissionership , then they are likely to do by their purchase at Purton . Yet this may we say safely of them , although we can call them to no other account ; that they are such as those of whom the Poet speaks : Criminibus debont hortos , praetoria , mensas . They ow to their own Crimes for their estates . And further let me tell them , that notwithhanding the Querela , the Question or complaint against them , for those crimes be taken away ; yet that the Culpa , the guilt of them still remains upon their souls . Yea and further yet let me add , that notwithstanding the Querela were remitted unto them without their repentance , or perchance so much as their desire , yet that their Culpa , their guilt will not . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A30710-e1660 Mr. Ludloe of Claringdon . James Hely of Sarum . Notes for div A30710-e2800 He told me it cost him 80 l. Eccl. 3.16 . Notes for div A30710-e5020 Capt. Scotton , Mr. Blisset , Mr. Hely , Oliver's Commissioners for Decimation . Novem. 11. 1657. Deut. 19.15 . Weems . Chr. Synag . p. 167. ex Talmud . lib. Shopherim , i. e. Judicum . Cartwr . in P● . 21 , 28 Math. 28.11 , 12 , 13. Jansen in Concor . May 8. 1656. Dr. Sanderson , de jur . prael . 3. Jer. 4 2. Perk. C. C. lib. 2. Ch. 13. § 2. Aquin. 22. & 89. A●t . 3 ex Hieron . May 8. Lambert , Iren. l. 2. c. 4. pag. 395. mihi 5 Elizab. c. 9.14 Eliz. c. 1. Cod. lib. 4. Tit. 20. de Testibus . Danaeus in Orat. Dom. Tract . 1. c. 12. p 39. mihi . July 12. 1651. May 15. 1653. Mr. Blisset , Mr. Hunt , Mr. Tho. Bayly . At the White Hart at Marlb . July 2. 1656. Plut. invit . Han. & Fab. Max. Job 22.15 Acts 7.51 . Tert. Phil. Temiror . Antoni . &c. 10 s. apiece Addit . Ordin . imprinted 1650. Num. 25.8 . Cic●r . pro. Quintio . Psal . 52.2 , 4. Dr. Sanderson , de jur . prael . 2. § 6. in fine . Math. 12.32 . Luke 11.45 . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Quid jurant ? de veritate dicenda non modo super articulis datis , sed in iis omnibus quae ad causam faciunt . Cod. lib. 4. num . 9. in marg . ad literam 2. Luk. 2.14 . Saints Rest , part 1. pag. 162. mihi . Cap. 28. Num. 1. Tit. 3.5 . In Marg. Num. 4. Notes for div A30710-e17530 Sect. 3. 2 day . Jan. 8. Decimators . Dr. Sanderson , de jur . prael . 1. § 4. in fine . Mark 14.59 . — 14.58 . Mat. 26.59 . Mark 14.55 . Vide Grot. in Mar. 14.56 . Joh. 8. Rom. 3.8 . whose condemnation is just . 2 Sam. 1. 2 Sam. 4.10 . 2 Sam. 1.16 . Mat. 27.18 . He dyed in Ilchester Gaol , 1659. Notes for div A30710-e25200 Phil. ●am . Speed H●st . 5. Eliz. 14. Born 1518. Mat. 14. 〈◊〉 . Mar. 6.23 . Si proprium non cognoseamus , quanto magis ignotum erit alterius ? Cartwr . in Prov. 27.19 . Jer. 17.9 , 10. 7 l. Twenty Nobles . Metam . 13. Rom. 2.3 . April 28. 1658. Joh. 8 44. Notes for div A30710-e36710 §. 18.3 . da. Plut. in vit . Alex. This was on Sept. 13. 1646. May 8. at Marlb . Eras Coll. Spectrum . 1 Sam. 21.6 , 9. 1 Sam. 22.10 . Psal . 52.2 , 3 , 4. Ma●th . 23.23 , 24. June 4. 1656. at Caln . Jul. 54 , 15. at Lavington . June 4 , 1656. June 4. July 1. July 1. July 1. July 1. Dated Sept. 19. 1654. Subscribed Edward Stokes . June 4. at Caln . Jan. 15. 1658. Sen. Trag. Med. Exod. 21.15 , 17. Mr. Camon Will. Bushnell , Hen. Harris , Ric. Cottle . God dam me , I will — Salust b●ll . Catal. p. 9.15 . mihi . Notes for div A30710-e50320 1 King. 21.8 , 9 , 10. June 4. July 14. 1656. Mat. 27 4. Luke 11.44 , 45. Vid. Gr●t . in locum . 2 Tim. 3.3 . 1 Tim. 2.11 . 1 Tim. 6.11 . Gal. 6.1 . 2 Cor. 3.1 . Act. 28.21 . G●n . 16.12 . Joh. 7.49 . Apol. 2 Sam. 6.8 . 13.7 . Prov. 16.12 . See the Wiltshire Address of Octob. 20. 1658. promoted by Mr. Byfield and his friends at Marlborough , Isaac Burges , Tho. Bayly , Wil. Blisset , William Gough , Nich. Profit , Thomas Hunt , Will. Hughes , John Keyns , and to be communicated to Mr. Spinage , Mr. Barcroft , and other godly Ministers , to Mr. White , and Mr. Eatwell of the Lavingtons . Hugh Peters , Phil. Nye , &c. Mr. Stern confessed the same to me and another , June 3. 1660. at the Saracens head in Friday-street , London . Notes for div A30710-e59360 Case Common-wealth . p. 2. pag. 70. mihi . — Et con●ipit ●thera monte . A. B. Cranmer . B. Latim●r . Bradshaw to the late King. Grot. in Mat. 26.62 . Ver. 1. A fierce Decimator in the time of O. Protector . 1. Eliz. cap. 2. Notes for div A30710-e64060 Exod. 22.28 . 2 Chron. 11.14 . Narat . p. 56 , 57. Act. 4.18 . Amian . Marcel . Notes for div A30710-e67660 Plut. in vit . Juv. Sat. 1.