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             The Earle of Dorset his speech for propositions of peace delivered to His Majesty at Oxford, on January 18.
             Dorset, Edward Sackville, Earl of, 1591-1652.
          
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           THE
           Earle
           of
           Dorset
           HIS
           SPEECH
           FOR
           PROPOSITIONS
           OF
           PEACE
           ,
           DELIVERED
           TO
           HIS
           MAJESTY
           at
           OXFORD
           ,
           on
           January
           18.
           
        
         
           London
           ,
           printed
           in
           the
           yeare
           1642.
           
        
      
    
     
       
       
       
         
           A
           Speech
           spoken
           by
           the
           Earle
           of
           DORSET
           ,
           unto
           His
           Majesty
           at
           OXFORD
           ,
           concerning
           the
           Warre
           now
           in
           ENGLAND
           .
        
         
           
             Most
             gracious
             Soveraigne
             :
          
        
         
           I
           Am
           not
           altogether
           unsensible
           of
           this
           businesse
           ,
           wherein
           I
           am
           now
           called
           to
           give
           my
           advice
           ,
           I
           know
           I
           shall
           suffer
           some
           disadvantage
           ,
           being
           an
           Englishman
           by
           Nation
           and
           Education
           ,
           and
           the
           best
           bloud
           that
           runs
           in
           my
           veines
           I
           have
           extracted
           thence
           ,
           besides
           ,
           my
           fortunes
           have
           their
           scituation
           within
           these
           confines
           .
           What
           I
           shall
           now
           speak
           ,
           is
           not
           meerely
           
             ex
             animo
             ,
             sed
             ex
             corde
             :
          
           some
           may
           haply
           impute
           it
           as
           proceeding
           from
           strength
           of
           affection
           to
           that
           place
           and
           people
           from
           whence
           I
           came
           ;
           but
           I
           doe
           protest
           ,
           my
           zeale
           to
           your
           Majesty
           shall
           at
           this
           time
           suspend
           the
           agitation
           of
           such
           principals
           ,
           and
           I
           will
           set
           aside
           all
           particular
           relations
           ,
           and
           looke
           upon
           the
           question
           as
           it
           is
           ,
           and
           not
           as
           passion
           and
           affection
           may
           set
           it
           forth
           .
        
         
           The
           question
           is
           concerning
           Wars
           ,
           an
           unknown
           
           subject
           ,
           sweet
           to
           those
           that
           have
           not
           tryed
           it
           ,
           yet
           the
           worst
           of
           war
           is
           usuall
           in
           the
           close
           :
           And
           if
           the
           conclusion
           of
           the
           most
           advantagious
           war
           that
           ever
           was
           waged
           ,
           when
           all
           reckonings
           bee
           cast
           up
           ,
           the
           Conquerour
           hath
           had
           little
           whereof
           to
           glory
           .
           But
           this
           is
           not
           a
           warre
           betweene
           a
           King
           and
           a
           stranger
           ,
           but
           between
           a
           Soveraigne
           and
           his
           Subjects
           ,
           a
           neare
           relation
           ,
           and
           they
           had
           need
           to
           be
           weighty
           motives
           that
           shall
           dissolve
           this
           knot
           ;
           subjects
           are
           easily
           lost
           ,
           we
           see
           the
           worke
           is
           every
           day
           ,
           but
           once
           lost
           ,
           are
           hardly
           regained
           .
           Affections
           are
           like
           to
           crystall
           glasses
           ,
           which
           broken
           ,
           are
           hardly
           set
           together
           againe
           .
        
         
           But
           these
           are
           not
           subjects
           ,
           as
           the
           kingly
           Pro
           speaketh
           of
           ,
           
             A
             people
             that
             I
             know
             not
             are
             subject
             unto
             mee
             ;
          
           but
           your
           Majesty
           may
           say
           of
           them
           ,
           as
           
             Adam
          
           of
           
             Eue
             ,
          
           that
           was
           found
           out
           of
           his
           rib
           ,
           
             Flesh
             of
             my
             flesh
             ,
             and
             bone
             of
             my
             bone
             ;
          
           or
           rather
           as
           
             David
          
           of
           his
           subjects
           in
           the
           day
           of
           his
           Inauguration
           ,
           
             For
             my
             brethren
             and
             companions
             sake
             ;
          
           for
           your
           Majesty
           being
           theirs
           ,
           and
           they
           yours
           by
           a
           double
           tye
           ,
           you
           are
           not
           only
           
             Rex
             factus
             ,
          
           but
           
             Rex
             natus
             :
          
           And
           therefore
           the
           union
           being
           so
           straight
           ,
           the
           motive
           had
           need
           be
           weighty
           ,
           that
           shall
           cause
           a
           man
           to
           set
           his
           owne
           house
           a
           fire
           ,
           and
           to
           destroy
           the
           worke
           of
           his
           owne
           hands
           .
        
         
           Now
           let
           us
           consider
           two
           things
           :
           first
           ,
           the
           necessity
           of
           Warre
           ,
           secondly
           ,
           the
           motives
           unto
           it
           ,
           whether
           they
           be
           
             Tanti
             ,
          
           and
           of
           such
           moment
           ,
           that
           a
           King
           should
           hazard
           the
           uncertaine
           chance
           of
           warre
           ,
           and
           the
           miseries
           that
           accompany
           it
           ,
           rather
           then
           to
           forgo
           the
           same
           .
        
         
         
           For
           the
           first
           ,
           it
           is
           a
           good
           note
           of
           
             Tacitus
             ,
          
           that
           
             Bellona
          
           should
           be
           
             ultimum
             refugium
             ,
          
           because
           it
           is
           the
           worst
           refuge
           .
           And
           if
           we
           consider
           of
           the
           wisest
           Kings
           that
           ever
           ware
           Scepter
           in
           the
           latter
           times
           ,
           how
           willing
           they
           were
           to
           deliver
           the
           stroake
           of
           warre
           almost
           upon
           any
           termes
           .
        
         
           If
           your
           Majesty
           consider
           but
           the
           practise
           of
           King
           
             Lewis
          
           the
           eleventh
           ,
           and
           
             Henry
          
           the
           seventh
           ,
           which
           of
           
             England
          
           and
           
             France
          
           in
           the
           large
           List
           and
           Catalogue
           of
           all
           their
           Kings
           ,
           cannot
           point
           forth
           two
           of
           more
           deepe
           and
           profound
           judgement
           ,
           and
           better
           versed
           in
           the
           mystery
           of
           Government
           ;
           yet
           what
           meanes
           they
           use
           (
           or
           rather
           did
           use
           )
           to
           divert
           the
           course
           ,
           if
           at
           any
           time
           it
           did
           come
           within
           their
           Channell
           ;
           they
           counted
           it
           no
           dishonour
           to
           yeeld
           to
           their
           Subjects
           demands
           ,
           though
           sometimes
           unjust
           and
           unreasonable
           ,
           nay
           ,
           themselves
           to
           bee
           the
           first
           seekers
           ,
           and
           propounders
           of
           Peace
           .
           And
           so
           by
           this
           meanes
           ,
           when
           the
           storme
           was
           over
           ,
           and
           things
           come
           to
           be
           debated
           upon
           the
           great
           Corpit
           ,
           they
           were
           masters
           of
           their
           own
           ends
           ,
           and
           their
           subjects
           affections
           ,
           and
           so
           obtained
           the
           victory
           without
           striking
           a
           stroke
           .
        
         
           These
           wise
           Kings
           considered
           the
           end
           of
           war
           was
           uncertaine
           ,
           and
           the
           event
           various
           ,
           and
           he
           that
           committeth
           one
           Errour
           in
           the
           warre
           ,
           especially
           when
           the
           seat
           of
           it
           is
           in
           his
           owne
           Kingdome
           ,
           seldome
           times
           to
           commit
           a
           second
           :
           wee
           need
           not
           to
           goe
           far
           for
           instances
           ,
           
             Richard
          
           the
           second
           ,
           and
           
             Edward
          
           the
           second
           will
           be
           fresh
           presidents
           for
           any
           that
           shall
           endevour
           to
           buy
           the
           experience
           hereof
           upon
           such
           deare
           termes
           as
           they
           did
           .
           It
           should
           be
           in
           the
           body
           
           Politique
           ,
           as
           it
           is
           in
           the
           body
           naturall
           .
           Phlebotomies
           should
           never
           be
           used
           ,
           but
           when
           the
           humours
           are
           so
           predominant
           ,
           that
           no
           other
           course
           will
           remove
           them
           ,
           and
           that
           unlesse
           they
           be
           expelled
           ,
           they
           will
           occasion
           desolation
           .
        
         
           But
           blessed
           be
           God
           there
           is
           no
           such
           necessity
           in
           the
           case
           ,
           there
           are
           some
           rough
           humours
           in
           the
           body
           Politique
           ,
           it
           
             cannot
          
           be
           denyed
           ,
           and
           some
           it
           may
           bee
           that
           worke
           obstruction
           in
           some
           of
           the
           lesser
           pipes
           of
           government
           ,
           but
           when
           your
           
             Vena
             Basilica
             ,
          
           and
           
             Vena
             Cava
             ,
          
           are
           full
           of
           the
           royall
           spirits
           in
           them
           ,
           have
           their
           proper
           influence
           and
           motion
           without
           any
           opposition
           .
           What
           is
           now
           to
           be
           done
           by
           force
           is
           not
           fit
           for
           every
           
             subject
          
           ,
           some
           humours
           are
           to
           be
           expelled
           by
           
             lena
             ●●ines
             ,
          
           when
           all
           purgations
           make
           them
           malignant
           .
           There
           are
           three
           means
           to
           be
           used
           that
           have
           not
           been
           tryed
           ,
           any
           of
           which
           are
           better
           then
           the
           meanes
           prescribed
           .
           The
           first
           removes
           the
           occasion
           ;
           this
           can
           bee
           no
           impeachment
           to
           the
           Scepter
           ,
           the
           wisest
           Kings
           have
           had
           their
           oversight
           in
           government
           ,
           which
           a
           wiser
           day
           have
           taught
           them
           to
           recall
           .
        
         
           Your
           Father
           reigned
           gloriously
           ,
           and
           commanded
           the
           affections
           as
           wel
           as
           the
           body
           of
           the
           English
           ,
           yet
           he
           never
           sought
           the
           obtruding
           of
           
             minimus
             infimis
             ,
          
           and
           yet
           none
           more
           zealous
           of
           a
           Kingly
           Government
           then
           he
           :
           it
           is
           an
           act
           of
           the
           extreamest
           folly
           to
           hazard
           the
           substance
           for
           a
           shadow
           ,
           not
           worthy
           to
           be
           contended
           for
           :
           And
           if
           your
           Majesty
           were
           Master
           of
           your
           own
           desires
           ,
           it
           would
           not
           adde
           one
           cubit
           to
           your
           stature
           .
        
         
           Secondly
           ,
           if
           this
           like
           not
           ,
           let
           time
           work
           it
           forth
           ,
           
           and
           by
           this
           meanes
           swallow
           up
           the
           hooke
           or
           Induxor
           ,
           the
           proposall
           of
           it
           left
           ,
           recreets
           distastefull
           things
           ,
           works
           most
           at
           first
           ,
           least
           afterwards
           ;
           by
           degrees
           your
           Majesty
           may
           work
           them
           to
           that
           (
           which
           for
           the
           present
           )
           they
           wil
           rather
           dye
           then
           embrace
           :
           We
           see
           how
           by
           degrees
           the
           Romans
           brought
           a
           Royall
           slavery
           upon
           the
           world
           ,
           which
           if
           they
           had
           at
           first
           propounded
           upon
           down-right
           termes
           ,
           had
           hardly
           been
           accomplished
           :
           If
           ever
           Norman
           
             William
          
           by
           degrees
           brought
           the
           English
           to
           weare
           the
           yoke
           ,
           which
           if
           he
           had
           at
           the
           first
           tendred
           ,
           he
           either
           must
           have
           missed
           his
           ayme
           ,
           or
           Norman
           no
           people
           to
           employ
           ;
           so
           impatient
           then
           were
           the
           English
           Nation
           to
           heare
           of
           a
           Conqueror
           ,
           and
           we
           see
           it
           is
           sometimes
           costly
           .
        
         
           What
           if
           your
           Majesty
           should
           seem
           to
           yeeld
           to
           the
           demands
           of
           the
           English
           now
           ,
           and
           give
           the
           advantage
           of
           a
           faire
           game
           ,
           cannot
           your
           Majesty
           remove
           the
           objects
           by
           degrees
           ,
           turne
           the
           humours
           some
           other
           way
           for
           a
           more
           seasonable
           opportunity
           ,
           to
           scrue
           in
           things
           by
           instruments
           more
           fit
           and
           lesse
           subject
           to
           exception
           ;
           the
           proposall
           of
           the
           course
           I
           hold
           more
           certain
           ,
           more
           safe
           ,
           more
           secure
           ,
           which
           knowes
           no
           law
           ,
           but
           devoures
           all
           the
           other
           .
           And
           I
           hold
           that
           Kingdome
           most
           miserable
           which
           is
           forced
           to
           make
           use
           of
           a
           remedy
           worse
           then
           the
           disease
           .
        
         
           Thus
           much
           for
           the
           first
           ,
           there
           is
           no
           necessity
           of
           Warre
           ,
           
             Rebus
             sic
             stantibus
             .
          
        
         
           Secondly
           ,
           these
           things
           in
           agitation
           are
           not
           
             Tanti
             ,
          
           of
           such
           consequence
           as
           should
           require
           such
           a
           desperate
           adventure
           ,
           as
           to
           hazard
           a
           kingdom
           at
           a
           cast
           .
           
           
             Plutarch
          
           wisely
           compared
           those
           that
           know
           onely
           to
           propose
           the
           means
           to
           such
           as
           fish
           with
           a
           golden
           hooke
           ,
           the
           losse
           of
           which
           hooke
           is
           of
           more
           consequence
           then
           the
           fish
           they
           can
           take
           ;
           truly
           to
           speake
           plainly
           what
           I
           think
           ,
           they
           that
           advise
           war
           in
           this
           case
           ,
           know
           not
           what
           it
           is
           to
           get
           ,
           nor
           greatly
           care
           for
           the
           losse
           of
           a
           Kingdom
           ,
           so
           they
           may
           play
           their
           own
           games
           ,
           and
           fish
           in
           troubled
           waters
           ;
           suce
           counsellours
           as
           these
           were
           the
           Bishops
           of
           
             Rosse
          
           to
           the
           late
           Queene
           of
           
             Scots
             ,
          
           and
           the
           Bishop
           of
           
             Brookes
          
           to
           that
           miserable
           King
           of
           
             Hungary
             ,
          
           who
           was
           the
           cause
           and
           occasion
           to
           bring
           the
           
             Turke
          
           into
           
             Hungary
             ,
          
           and
           the
           
             French
          
           into
           
             Scotland
             ,
          
           both
           which
           Nations
           have
           cause
           to
           wish
           that
           they
           never
           knew
           the
           way
           thither
           againe
           .
        
         
           Three
           Reasons
           have
           been
           given
           to
           perswade
           to
           war
           ,
           I
           will
           not
           now
           Answer
           ,
           but
           leave
           to
           him
           that
           is
           better
           able
           ,
           and
           instructed
           to
           such
           a
           purpose
           ;
           whereof
           considering
           
             nulla
             salus
             Bello
             ,
             nulla
             necessitas
             Belli
             .
          
        
         
           My
           Advice
           to
           your
           Majesty
           is
           not
           to
           use
           warre
           ,
           but
           when
           the
           end
           of
           it
           is
           a
           certaine
           or
           probable
           peace
           ,
           and
           when
           there
           is
           no
           way
           left
           but
           that
           only
           to
           obtaine
           it
           .
        
         
           FINIS
           .