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Published by s Glynne, John, Sir 1641 20041 23 0 0 0 0 0 11 C The rate of 11 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-08 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2007-08 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-09 Jonathan Blaney Sampled and proofread 2007-09 Jonathan Blaney Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion Master Glyns REPLY TO THE EARLE OF STRAFFORDS DEFENCE OF The severall Articles objected against him by the House of COMMONS . Published by speciall direction , out of an authentick Copy . LONDON , Printed for Lawrence Chapman , Anno 1641. Master GLYNS Reply to the Earle of STRAFFORDS Defence . My Lord of Strafford having concluded the recapitulation of his evidence , Mr. Glyn applied himselfe to their Lordships in manner following . MAy it please your Lordships , my Lord of Strafford ( as your Lordships have observed , ) hath spent a great deale of time in his evidence , and in his course of answering hath inverted the order of the Articles ; He hath spent some time , likewise , in defending the Articles not objected against him , wherein he hath made a good answer , if in any : wee shall presume to withdraw a while , and rest upon your Lordships patience ; and I doubt not but to represent my Lord of Strafford as cunning in his answer , as hee is subtill in his practice . The Committee withdrawing for about the space of halfe an houre , and then returning to the Barre , Mr. Glyn proceeded as followeth . My Lords , your Lordships have observed how the Earle of Strafford hath been accused by the Commons of England of high Treason , for a purpose and designe to subvert the fundamentall Lawes of both the kingdomes , of England and Ireland , and to introduce an Arbitrary , and Tyrannicall government : The Commons have exhibited Articles in maintenance of that charge : My Lord of Strafford hath thereunto answered in writing . The Commons have proceeded to make good their charge by proofe , and thereunto my Lord of Strafford hath made his defence ; and this day my Lord of Strafford hath taken upon him to recollect his evidence , and make his observation upon it , the most he could to his advantage . My Lords , wee that are intrusted for the house of Commons , stand here to recollect the evidence on our part , and to apply it to the generall charge , and how farre it conduces thereunto . My Lord of Strafford in recollecting the evidence of his defence , as I did mention before , hath ( under favour ) exprest very much subtilty , and that in divers particulars , which I shall represent to your Lordships . My Lords , before I enter upon the recollection of the proofes produced on the behalf of the Commons , I shall make some observations , and give some answer to that recollection of his ; though very disorderly to the method I propounded to my selfe . And first , in generall , it will appeare to your Lordships , ( looking upon your notes , and observing his recollection ) that he hath used the repetition of evidence on both sides , in such manner as you know who useth Scripture ; that is , to cite as much as makes for his purpose , & leave out the rest . And likewise , that in repetition of the evidence , he hat● mis-recited , plainly , very much of the proofs on both sides , & likewise hath pretended some proofes to be for his defence , which indeed were not : and hee hath taken this farther advantage ; when it makes for his defence , he hath disjoynted the proofes , and testimonies , and severed them asunder , that it might appeare to your Lordships , like raine falling in drops , which considered in distinct drops bring no horrour , or seeming inconvenience with them ; but when they are gathered together into an entire body , they make an Inundation , and cover the face of the earth . He would not have your Lordships look on those Testimonies together , but distinctly , and asunder , wch being put together look horrid , as will appeare to your Lo. when you duly consider of them . These bee the generall observations , which in my Answer I doubt not but to make good : But before I shall enter into observations of what hee hath spoken , I shall answer in generall to some things which hee hath in generall alledged . In the first place , hee hath made a flourish this day , and severall other dayes in the way of his defence , That if hee could have had longer time , hee could have made things appeare clearer , and have produced more proofes . Give mee leave to informe your Lordships that he is no way straightned of time , for he hath bin charged above three months since ▪ he knew what was laid to his charge , and therefore his pretence of want of time , and of his disabilities to make better proofes , are but flourishes . And it appears plainly , whatsoever he hath had occasion to make use of , even the least paper , though hee fetched it from Ireland , there is not one wanting ; he hath copies of papers from the Councell Table , from the Parliament of Ireland , and all that may any way tend to his justification , and yet he stands upon that flourish , that if he had had time he could have made it more cleare . My Lords , he hath mentioned often this day , and oftner the dayes before , that many of the Articles laid to his charge are proved but by one witnesse ; and thereupon he takes the advantage of the Statute of E. 6. that sayes , A man ought not to be condemned for high Treason without two witnesses . My Lords , this is a fallacy knowne to his own breast , I doubt not , and not taught him by any of his Councell , or others learned . The Treason laid to his charge , is , the subverting of the Lawes ; the evidence is , the Articles proved : and though some one Article appeares to be proved but by one , yet put the evidence together , you shall never find it to bee within the words or meaning of the Statute ; for the charge is proved by a hundred witnesses : and because one part of the evidence is proved onely by one witnesse , since , when you put them together , you will find a hundred witnesses , it is not within the words nor meaning of the Statute , neither will his Councell direct him to say so , I am confident . My Lords , another observation I shall be bold to make , is , that hee was pleased to cast an aspersion ( as we must apprehend ) upon them that be trusted by the house of Commons this day , That we that stand here , alledged and affirmed things to be proved , that are not proved : Hee might have pleased to have spared that language ; we stand here to justifie our selves , that we doe not use to expresse any language , but what our hearts and consciences tels us is true ; and howsoever he is pleased to cast it upon us , I am confident I shall invert it upon himselfe , and make it appeare , that hee hath bin this day guilty , in the highest degree , of what he most unjustly layeth to our charge . And now my Lords to enter upon the particulars , hee hath beene pleased to make it his generall Theame to day ( though hee hath not spoke much to day but what he hath spoken formerly ) that these particulars considered by themselves make not a Treason , and therefore put together he wonders how they should make a Treason : Several misdemeanours can never make a murther , and severall murders can never make a Treason ; and he wonders it should be otherwise in this case . My Lords he did instance it ( if my memory failes me not ) in a case of Felony ; That if a bloudy knife should bee produced in the hand of the party suspected to have slaine the man , if the party had bin there seen before the death , it were a strong evidence ; but there must bee death in the case , the fact must be committed , else there can be no murther : but he himselfe might answer himselfe , for there is a great difference : There cannot be murther but there must be death , but hee knowes very well there may be Treason and yet no death ; it is too late to forbeare questioning Treason for killing the King , till the King be killed : God forbid wee should stay in that case , for the very intention is the Treason , and it is the intention of the death of the Law that is in question , and it had beene too late to call him to question to answer with his life for the death of the Law , if the Law had been killed , for there had been no Law then ; and how should the Law then have adjudged it Treason , when the same were subverted and destroyed ? and therefore he is much mistaken . The greatest Traytor , in the memory of any that sits here to heare me this day , had a better , a fairer excuse in this particular then my Lord of Strafford , and that is Guido Faux ; for hee might have objected , that the taking of the Cellar , the laying of the Powder under the Parliament House , the kindling of the match , and putting it neare , are not so much as a misdemeanor , if you look no further ; for it was no offence in him to lay Barrels under the Parliament House , and to kindle the match , and to lay it neere ; but collect all together , that it was eâ intentione to blow up the King and the State , there is the Treason : but God be blessed it was not effected ; So that the rule is the same . Nay , my Lord of Strafford hath not so much to say , when he is charged with a purpose and intention to subvert the Law ; for to that purpose gave he trayterous counsels , and executed actions , thereby discovering his intentions to destroy the Kingdome , and to destroy the Kings claime by Law , and discent . It is true , they were not put in execution , but they declared his intentions ; therefore this gives an answer to his first flourish , which is not so great an Argument as the greatest Traytor might use for himself , and yet it proved Treason in him . My Lords , he hath been pleased to divide his Treasons into two parts , and his division I allow of ; that is , Treason by Statute-Law , as he tearmes it , though it be Treason by the Common-Law ; and constructive Treason : And upon that method hee hath recited the evidence produced on either part ; Give mee leave to follow and trace him a little , and afterwards to discharge my duty in taking my owne course , and representing the evidence as it appeares , truly ; and I will avoid ( as much as I can ) to fall into my Lord of Straffords errour , in mis-reciting a Particle ; if I doe , it shall be against my will . He begins with the fifteenth Article , and pretends that that is not proved ; the ground and foundation of that Article was a warrant issued out by himselfe to a Sergeant at Armes , one Savill , which gave directions and power to that Serjeant to lay souldiers on any person that should contemne the Processe of the Councell ▪ boord in Ireland ; that was the effect : Now ( sayes he ) this warrant is not produced , and addes , that the Judges will tell your Lordships , that if a man bee charged with any thing under hand and seale , the deed must be produced and proved , or else no credit is to bee given to it . Truely , my Lords , it is true , if it had beene a Bond , or a Deed , where those that seale it use to call their neighbours to testifie , and be witnesses to it , perhaps it might be a colourable answer , that because we do not produce the Deed , and prove it by witnesses , you can therefore give no credit to it : But , my Lords , in case of authority to commit high treason , I suppose my Lord of Strafford , nor any other did call witnesses to prove the signing , sealing and delivering of the warrant for execution of high treason ; and therefore it is a new way and invention found out by his Lordship , for ought I see , to commit high treason , and to give authority for it ; and it is but taking away the originall warrant , and hee shall never be touched for any treason . But I beseech your Lordships patience , till I come to open that Article , and your Lordships will finde the warrant , ( though it be not produced , ) proved by three or foure witnesses , and his hand & seale proved too . And wheras he pretends the Sergeant at Armes is no competent witnesse , because he excuses himselfe ; my Lord mistakes himselfe , for I take it to bee no excuse to prove a warrant from any person whatsoever , if it be to commit high treason : and therefore Savills testimony is the more strong , being so farre from excusing , that hee doth accuse himselfe : And though he is charged with laying of souldiers upon the Kings people , contrary to an expresse ▪ Act of Parliament made in 18. H. 6. yet my Lord is pleased ( I know not how to terme it , whether it be merrily , or otherwise ) to use his Rhetorick , Here is a great levying of war , when there is not above foure Musketiers , or six at most , laid upon any one man . My Lords , it is a plain levying of warre , and without all question , and in all sense , it is as much mischievous to me to be surprized by foure or six Musketiers , to enforce me to any thing they would have , as if there were an Army of forty thousand brought upon me ; for if that strength will but over master me , it is all one to me whether I be mastered by foure , or by foure thousand . And therefore let not this be a rule , that to send foure , or six , or ten Musketiers up and downe is not considerable , because of the smalnesse of the number ( the danger is the same ; ) yet this is no levying of warre , because they goe not in troops of greater number , as it pleases my Lord of Strafford to affirm . My Lords , your Lordships remember what the effect of the Warrant is sworn to be , that howsoever the Sergeant at Armes , and his Ministers that executed it , brought but foure , or six , or ten , yet the Sergeant might have brought all the Army of Ireland , for there was authority so to doe . And admitting the matter of fact proved , he mentions an Act of Parliament made 11. Eliz. whereby a penalty is laid upon men that shall lay souldiers on the Kings subjects , and yet ( as my Lord observes ) it must now be Treason in the Deputy . My Lords , the very casting of an eye upon that Act , shewes it to be as vainly objected , as if he had said nothing ; for in truth it is no other than as if he should say , The King hath given me the command of an Army in Ireland , and therefore I may turne them upon the bowels of the Kings subjects : It is no more in effect . Your Lordships have heard him the other day mentioning two Acts of Repeale , and I expected he would have insisted upon them ; but it seemes he hath beene better advised , and thinks them not worthy repetition , nor indeed are they . And if the matter of fact be proved upon the fifteenth Article , I am confident he will find the Statute of 18. H. 6. to be of full force . My Lords , I am very sorry to heare , that when levying of warre upon the Kings subjects is in agitation , and he charged with high Treason , he should make mention of the Yorkshire men , and the army now on foot , whereby he would insinuate , that if he be charged with high Treason , then they must be likewise , though they lye quartered , and have meat and drink with the assent of the people ; which may breed ill bloud for ought I know . From the fifteenth Article he descends to the three and twentieth , and that is the Article whereby he stands charged with speaking of words , and giving of councell to his Majestie to incense him against his Parliament , pretending a necessity , and telling him he is loose and absolved from all rules of government ; that he had an Army in Ireland which he might make use of to reduce this kingdome . In this he is pleased to begin with the testimony of my Lord Ranelagh , conceiving an apprehension and feare in him , that the Army should goe over to England , which my Lord sayes , is no more but his saying , and master Treasurer Vane's . I pray God my Lord Ranelagh had not much cause to feare ; but by the same rule he may lay a charge of unwarrantable feare upon all the Commons ; for sure the Commons of England did feare it , else they would not make an Article of it : But my Lord Ranelagh's feare did not arise from a slight cause , and he shewed himselfe a good Common-wealths man in expressing it , and he is to be commended for it , howsoever it be apprehended by my Lord of Strafford . For his observation of the single testimony of Mr. Treasurer Vane , give me leave to take the same latitude as his Lordship did ; for he shewes to three or foure Articles what he could have proved ; as to the Article concerning the Army , he could have proved the designe of it by Sir John Burlacy , and some others , if they had beene here . But by this rule and liberty hee hath taken to alledge what he could have showne , give me leave to tell you what we might have showne , and are ready to shew : We could have made it expresse , and proved it by notes taken by Secretary Vane the fifth of May , when the words were spoken , which notes should have beene proved , if we had proceeded on the three and twentieth Article , to corroborate the testimony of Mr. Secretary Vane , and that by two witnesses . Wee could likewise have showne how we came to the knowledge of it , it being by means unknowne to master Secretary Vane , and have made him an upright Councellour and witnesse : but we shall prove his intentions to bring in the Irish Army another way , when I come to open my owne course and method . My Lords , hee pretends these words were spoken the fift of May , but when they were testified by master Treasurer , he did not speak of the fifth of May , and yet now my Lord remembers the day ; and I wonder how hee came to the knowledge of the day , unlesse he likewise remembred the words . But that my Lord observes , is , That being spoken then , how should he perswade the King , that he had an Army in Ireland , when in truth he had none there ? for the Army was not on foot till a moneth after . This , my Lords , is plainly answered ; and if he had thought of his owne answer , he had answered himselfe : for he tels you , that in April before , he had taken a course for the levying of the Army , he had nominated the officers , giving direction for raising it : And , the day of the Rendezvous of the Army was appointed the 18. of May . And so in his owne answer he makes an answer to the objection , and the objection is taken away out of his own confession . From that Article he falls to the seven and twentieth Article , whereby he stands charged with levying money by force upon the Kings people in Yorkshire : he is pleased to observe , that all the proofes for the maintenance of that Article , is onely the levying of money with foure souldiers by Sergeant Major Yaworth . Where he is pleased to disdaine the war , because it was so weak , yet it was too strong for them ( God help them ) that were forced upon pain of life to pay it . And whereas he pretends the warrrant was not from him , I shall reserve that till I come to the Article , and when I come to the proofes , I beleeve it will remain fixed upon him . And there he left his Statute Treason , and now he fals to the second kind of Treason , and that was the introductive or constructive Treason : He begins with the third Article , that is , concerning some words that he should be charged to have spoken in Ireland ; & I shal desire that your Lordships would be pleased to look upon your notes , how he answers that Article ; My Lords , sayes he , I am charged to say that Ireland was a conquered Nation , and that their Charters were nothing worth , and bind the King no further then he pleaseth ; therefore I am a Traitor because I speak the truth . There was his answer in his collection . And for their Charters he sayes , he might might very well say so , for he intended it no otherwise , but according to the validity of them , for they were severall wayes questionable , and ought not to bind , unlesse they were good in law . But if you look upon his Arguments , he hath , like a cunning Oratour , omitted the principall part of the Article ; and that is , that Ireland is a conquered Nation , and they were to be governed as the King pleaseth , the King might doe with them what he lists ; this hee omits : although they be proved by three witnesses , and are appliable to his intentions fully ; yet he could make use of so much as makes for him , and leaves out the rest , like your Lordships know whom . Then he descends to the fourth Article , and this concerns some words he should speak upon an occasion betwixt him and my Lord of Cork , that he should tell my Lord of Cork , he would have neither Law nor Lawyers dispute or question his orders . And upon another occasion , that he would make my Lord of Cork and all Ireland know , that all Acts of State ( which are Acts of Councel ) there made , or to be made , should be as binding as any Act of Parliament : This he said was proved but by one witnesse : and I extremely marvell to heare him say so ; for the latter words wee proved by foure , or five , or six witnesses , that is , that he would have Acts of State as binding as Acts of Parliament . Whereas he sayes these are all the words produced against him in the time of seven yeeres government there , your Lordships have heard of many words , and if we would trouble your Lordships further in this kind , we could prove such words spoken , as often almost as he remained dayes in Ireland , that is , for the mis-recitall . The other part two witnesses proved ; but the residue , That they must expect law from the King as a Conquerour , That Acts of State should be equall to Acts of Parliament , And when an Act of Parliament would not passe , he would make it good by an Act of State , these speeches at other times were proved by five witnesses . Then he falls back to the second Article , touching the words , That the Kings little finger should be heavier then the loines of the Law . My Lords , these words were proved expresly by five witnesses , to be by him spoken ; and if he had produced five hundred that had said he did not speak them , they had not been equivalent to disprove five ; but he produces none . Sir William Penniman repeats other words , and inverts them , and none but he . Another party , a Minister , reports a report that hee heard concerning these words , but , my Lord , saith he , the occasion of the speaking of them was not mentioned . Truly perhaps it might bee the forgetfulnesse of my Lords memory , but let me put him in mind . And your Lordships remember that the occasion was exprest by one , and that is Sir David Fowles , that he laying a command upon Sir David to repaire a bridge , and calling him to account why it was not repaired , Sir David Fowles told him , he could not doe it by law . And therefore omitting it , my Lord said to him , Sir , some are all for Law and Lawyers , but you shall know that the Kings little finger will be heavier then the loines of the Law . Here is the occasion , though he would have another businesse , the knighting money to be the occasion . From the second he falls to the three and twentieth Article , that is , concerning words , That he should counsell his Majestie , that he might use his Prerogative as he pleased ; but in saying there was no proofe offered , hee here begins to fall upon the other fallacy , that is , to pull things asunder ( whereas we produce them together ) and would make that that is a faggot , to be but a single stick ; but , under favour , when I come , with your Lordships patience , to open the force of the proofes , and put them together , he shall find ( contrary to his expectation ) that they are fully proved by the testimony of many witnesses , upon consideration of the precedent , concurrent , and subsequent acts and intentions of my Lord of Strafford . I shall not now run over my Lord Primates testimony , or my Lord Conwayes , or master Treasurers , or my Lord of Bristols , but make use of them in their proper places , when I shall put all together , to shew his design , and to prove his speaking of the words . Then hee comes to the five and twentieth Article , which I shall not insist on , though he pretends it not proved ; I shall referre that to my recollection , that I may not answer to his pieces , but bring all together , and then the horrour of his fact shall more speciously appeare . Onely this ( under favour ) I cannot passe over , when he comes to justifie an advice and counsell of the Kings being loose and absolved from all rules of government , and that he might use his Prerogative as hee pleases , he is pleased to mention the argument of the Judges in the ship-money , and what they should deliver , he makes the warrant of his counsell . Now your Lordships may observe , he would justifie his actions by law , in some cases , where it is to his advantages , but in other cases hee must be ignorant of the Law . But , my Lords , for him to mention any thing in the Argument of the Judges , concerning the ship-money , which is now condemned , and to make that a ground of his counsell and advice to the King , and not the judgement in truth , but the argument of the Councell at Barr , that therefore he is loose , and absolved from all rule of government ; for him to make the Parliaments deferring to give supply , to be that necessity which was insisted upon in the Councells argument , and to be such an unavoidable necessity , as to beget an Invasion upon propriety and liberty , it rests in your judgements , and the judgements of all that heare me , what argument this is , and what he declares his opinion to be this day . In the latter part , let me close hands , and agree with him ; he sayes , Proofes must be taken by themselves , they must not be judged by peeces , but together ; and now in good time I shall joyne with him , and shall desire the same judgement , That things may not be taken asunder , but judged together , according to his owne words . For the twentieth Article , he is thereby charged with being an Incendiary between both Nations , and an occasion of drawing two Armies into this kingdome , and to incense the warre . My Lords , I remember ( if I did not mis-conceive , and my memory misprompt me ) my Lord said , he could have no occasion to incense a war , being a man of estate , and should have no benefit by it , having sufficient to live without it : but in due time I shall make it appeare , to my apprehension , and I beleeve to your Lordships , when you have heard it , that the incensing of this war , and provoking of it , was the principall instrument of bringing to passe his designe of subverting the Lawes , through the whole work of it . My Lords , in the passage of this , he takes occasion to speak of the testimony of master Secretary Vane , who testifies , that my Lord was for an offensive , and himselfe for a defensive warre : whence my Lord argues , here is no great difference , for both were for a warre : but , my Lords , is there no difference betweene an offensive and defensive warre , in case of subjects that live under one King ? is there no difference to bring an Army to offend them , and for the King to raise a force to defend himselfe ? truly I think there is a great difference , and a very materiall one too : but your Lordships see hee makes no difference between them . My Lords , in the foure and twentieth Article he mentions , that he is charged with being an occasion to breake the Parliament , and layes hold of that , as in the other Articles , that it was not proved , but declined . My Lords , when hee shall heare the repetition of the evidence , though part of the Article was not particularly insisted upon , yet I beleeve it will appeare to your Lordships , and the world , that he was the occasion of breaking the last Parliament , and it is expresly proved by witnesses enow ; and though he sayes , how should any body thinke him an occasion of it ; that did so often advise Parliaments ? yet I shall shew anon , that when he did advise them , it was to compasse his owne designe and plot , without which his ends could not be brought to passe . He came from the foure and twentieth Article to the seven and twentieth , and he answers against that Article , that when Armies are in the field , men cannot walke so peaceably , as an Atturney with his box and papers in Westminster hall . I know not what he meanes ; but when two Armies are in the field , they may raise warre against the Kings people , as well as the King for his just defence ; it is the way to make his people terrified with armies , and to avoid them as a serpent , and therefore it is a dangerous aspersion , as I conceive . With these he concluded , except some things that hee took , by way of artificiall insinuation , to perswade your Lordships , that it was dangerous to raise a Treason that had laine asleep I know not how many hundred yeeres , and create a Treason . A strange thing indeed it is , that a man should be charged with a Treason for subverting the Law ! A strange thing that one should be charged with Treason for killing a Justice sitting in the seat of justice , and yet it should bee no Treason to destroy King , and kingdome , and people , and all ; all which are destroyed , if the Law be subverted . And now having touched upon what he hath spoken , with your Lordships good favour , I shall crave leave to run the course I have propounded with my selfe , and that very briefly , that is , upon the whole matter to shew how far the evidence , produced on the Commons part , doth prove the charge . My Lords , That laid to his charge is a design and purpose to subvert the fundamentall lawes of two kingdomes , and to introduce an Arbitrary and Tyrannicall government ; not that he did effect it , but that he did intend it : for if he had done it , it had been t●● late to question it , he had left no rule whereby to cal● him to triall ; but his intention and his endevour are his charge . My Lords , how farre this is proved ; if your Lordships be pleased to call to mind , the Articles , and the evidence produced on the Commons part , your Lordships will find , I beleeve , that his words , his councells , and his actions , doe sufficiently prove his endevouring to destroy . In the first Article , where my Lord of Strafford hath the first opportunitie offered him to put this endevour in execution ( that is the first place of eminency amongst his other places and commands , which , I take it , was his being made President of the North ) he is no sooner there , but there be Instructions procured to enable him to proceed in that Court , almost in all causes ; for a man can scarce think of a cause which is not comprehended within the Instructions obtained after his comming thither : but I shall put your Lordships in mind of two clauses of the Instructions procured in the eighth yeer of this King , and after he was President ; that is , the clause of habeas Corpus , and Prohibitions ; that no man should obtaine a Prohibition , to stay any suit that should be commenced before him , in the Councell of York ; that if any man should be imprisoned by any processe out of that Court , he must have no Habeas corpus . A Prohibition is the only meanes to vindicate the estate of the subject , if it be questioned without authoritie . A Habeas corpus is the onely meanes to vindicate his liberty , if it be detained without law : but these doores must be shut against the Kings subjects , that if either they be questioned ▪ or restrained before him , there must be no reliefe . How far he could goe further I am to seek , there being no means for the subject to ●●lieve himselfe , if he be questioned for his estate with●●… authoritie ; no meanes to redeeme himselfe , if his person be imprisoned without law . And he had so incircled himselfe about , that if the Judges should fine the party that returnes not the Habeas corpus , according to law , there was a power , and a warrant , by the Instructions , to the Barons , to discharge the Officers of that fine . And now I referre it to your Lordships judgements , whether this be not to draw an arbitrary power to himselfe . For the execution of this power , it is true , it is proved to be before the instructions in the eighth yeere of the King ; but then it riseth the more in judgement against him ; for your Lordships have heard how he went into a grave Judges chamber , blaming him for giving way to a Prohibition , granting Attachments against one that moved for a Prohibition ; and though this was done before the Instructions were granted , yet the Instructions comming at the heeles of it , sheweth his disposition and resolution more clearly , for he acts it first , and then procures this colour to protect it : and though he pretends there was no proofe , yet I must put your Lordships in mind , that when these things were in question , concerning the apprehension of a Knight , by a Sergeant at Arms , he kneeles to his Majestie , that this defect might bee supplied , and this jurisdiction maintained , else he might goe to his owne Cottage . And here being the just commencement of his greatnesse , if you look to the second , it followes , that at the publick Assizes he declared , that some were all for law , but they should find the Kings little finger heavier then the loines of the law . He did not say it was so , but he infused it as much as he could into the hearts of the Kings people that they should find it so ; and so he reflects upon the King , and upon his people : The words are proved : And to speak them in such a presence , and at such a time , before the Judges and Countrey assembled , they were so dangerous , & so high expressions , of an intention to counsell the King , or act it himselfe , to exercise an arbitrary government , above the weight of the law , as possibly could be exprest by words . And this is proved by five witnesses , and not disproved , nor is any colour of disproof offered , but only by Sir William Penniman , who saies , he heard other words , but not that he heard not these words : If hee doth , he must give me leave not to beleeve him ; for five affirmations will weigh downe the proofe of a thousand negatives . He staies not long in England with this power ( though while he staies you heare how he vexes the subject ) but then he goes into Ireland ; and as his authority increases , so he ampliates his designe ; and no sooner is he there , but the third Article is laid to his charge , That when the City and Recorder of Dublin , the principall City of Ireland , presented the Mayor , upon a solemne speech and discourse concerning the lawes and liberties ( as your Lordships know that is the subject matter of a speech at such presentments , as when the Lord Mayor of London is presented to the King ) I beseech your Lordships observe the words he then used , they were a conquered Nation , and that we lay not to his charge , but they were to be governed as the King pleases , their Charters were nothing worth , and bind but during the Kings pleasure . I am to seek , if I were to expresse an arbitrary power , and tyrannicall government , how to expresse it in fitter words , and more significant terms than these , that the people shall be governed at the Kings will , that their Charters , the sinewes and ligatures of their liberties , lands , and estates , should be nothing worth , and bind no longer then the Kings pleasure , specially being spoken upon such an occasion , and the words proved by two or three witnesses of credit and quality . From thence we descend to Articles , that shew the execution of his purpose . There be three things a man enjoyes by the protection of the law ; that is , his life , his liberty , and his estate . And now , my Lords , observe how he invades , and exercises a tyrannicall jurisdiction , and arbitrary government over them all three . I shall begin with the fifth Article , that is concerning my Lord Mountnorris and Denwit . My Lord Mountnorris , a Peere of that Realm , was sentenced to death by procurement of my Lord of Strafford ; who , howsoever hee pretends himselfe not to be a Judge in the cause , yet how farre he was an Abettor , and Procurer , and Countenancer , and drawer on of that sentence , your Lordships very well remember ; he was sentenced to death , without law , for speaking words at a private Table , God knows , of no manner of consequence in the world , concerning the treading upon my Lord of Straffords toe ; the sentence procured seven moneths after the words spoken , and contrary to law , and himselfe being put in mind of it , my Lord Mountnorris desiring to have the benefit of the law , and yet he refusing it . And then it was in time of peace , when all the Courts of justice were open , and to sentence a man to death of that quality , my Lord of Strafford himselfe being present , an author , a drawer on of it , makes it very hainous . Your Lordships remember this Article was fully proved , and though he pretends his authority by a letter from his Majesty , I shall in due time give a full answer to that , so that it shall rise up in judgement against him , to aggravate his offence , and that in a great measure . Here he exercises a power over life , his excuse was , that he procured a pardon for my Lord Mountnorris ; but the power was exercised , and the tyranny appeared to be the more ; he would first sentence him to death , and then rejoyce in his power , that he might say , There remaines no more but my command to the Provost Marshall to doe execution . To exercise a power over his life , and to abuse him afterwards , is very high ; but no thanks to him that the sentence of death was not executed , it was the grace and goodnesse of his Majesty that would not suffer my Lord Mountnorris , a person of that eminence , to be put to death against law . But the other was hanged , and , as appeares , against law ; and though my Lord pretends the party was burnt in the hand , yet that was not proved , nor materiall : and for him to doe this in time of peace , when the Courts of justice were open , it argues a desire in his breast to arrogate a power above law . And in truth I may not omit some observations that my Lord made this day ; he hopes his Majesty would bee pleased to grant him a Pardon . I perceive hee harboured in his thoughts , that hee might hang the Kings subjects when he would , and then get a Pardon of course for it . The Lord blesse me from his jurisdiction . My Lords , give me leave to goe back againe , here is power over the lives and liberties of the subject ; but he exercised likewise a Tyrannicall power over his estate . Your Lordships may be pleased to remember the fourth Article , where he judges my Lord of Corks estate , in neither Church land , nor plantation land , and therefore had no pretence of a jurisdiction ; for it is a lay fee divolved by Act of Parliament to the Crown ; yet he deprives him of his possession which he had continued for twenty nine yeeres , upon a paper petition , without rules of law . And whereas my Lord of Cork went about to redeeme himselfe ( the law being every mans inheritance , and that which he ought to enjoy ) he tels him , hee will lay him by the heeles ▪ if he withdraw not his proces : and so when he hath judged him against an expresse Act of Parliament , and Instructions , and bound up a great Peere of the Realme , hee will not suffer him to redeeme that wrong , without a threat of laying him by the heeles , and he will not have Law nor Lawyers question his Orders , and would have them all know , an Act of State should be equall to an Act of Parliament : Which are words of that nature , that higher cannot be spoken , to declare an intention to proceed in an arbitrary way . The next was in my Lord Mountnorris his case , and Rolstone . And here I must touch my Lord with misrepetition . Rolstone preferred a petition to my Lord Deputy , my Lord Deputy himselfe judges his estate , and deprived him of his possession , though he cannot produce so much as one example , or precedent ( though if he had , it would not have warranted an illegall action ) but hee cannot produce a precedent , that ever any Deputy did determine concerning a mans private estate ; and if hee hath affirmed it , he proved it not : some petitions have been preferred to him , but what they be non constat . But , though never any knew the Deputy alone to determine matters of land , yet he did it . To the seventh Article we produce no evidence ; but my Lord of Strafford cannot be content with that , but he must take upon him to make defence for that which is not insisted upon as a charge ; but since he will doe so , I refer it to the book in print , where he determines the inheritance of a Nobleman in that Kingdome , that is , my Lord Dillon , by a case falsly drawne , and contrary to his consent ; and though he deprives him not of his possession , yet he causes the Land to be measured out , and it is a danger that hangs over his head to this day . And had we not knowne that we had matter enough against my Lord of Strafford , this should have risen in judgement against him ; but I had not mentioned it now , if he had not mentioned it himselfe . The eighth Article containes severall charges , as that of my Lord Chancellour , how he imprisoned him upon a judgement before himselfe and the Councell , how he inforced the Seale from him when hee had no authority , nay , though it were excepted by his Patent that hee should no way dispose of it ; but he looked not to Authority , further then might make way to his will . Another concerns the prime Earle of that Kingdome , my Lord of Kildare , whom he imprisoned , and kept close prisoner , contrary to the Kings expresse command for his deliverance ; and in his answer my Lord acknowledges it , but sayes , that that command was obtained from the King upon a mis-information . These things I would not have mentioned , if he had passed them over ; but since he gives them in , give mee leave to mention , and say , we had a ground to put them into charge , and could have proved them , if there had been need , punctually and expresly , and I beleeve little to my Lords advantage . But Your Lordships I think doe remember my Lady Hibbots case , where the Lady Hibbots contracts with Thomas Hibbots for his inheritance for 2500. l. executes the contract by a Deed , and Fine levied , deposits part of the money , and when a Petition was exhibited to the L. Deputy and Councell for the very estate , your Lordships remember how this came in judgement before my Lord Deputy ; there was but a petition delivered , there was an answer made ▪ and all the suggestions of the petition denied ; yet my Lord spake to Hibbots himselfe , that was willing to accept the money , not to decline the way that he was in by petition ; five hundred pound more will doe him no hurt to carry into England with him : and yet , without examination of a witnesse , a Decree was made to deprive this Lady of her estate : And the purchasing of this land by my Lord of Strafford was proved by two witnesses , though not absolutely , yet by confession of Sir Robert Meredith , and others , whose names were used in trust for my Lord of Strafford , and that it proved according to my Lord of Straffords prophecie ; for the man had five hundred pounds gaine above the Contract with my Lady Hibbots : But after , the lands were sold for seven thousand pound ; so that the Lady Hibbots offence was her making of a bargain whereby to gain five hundred pounds ; But there was no offence in my Lord , to make a bargaine for three thousand pounds , and to gain foure thousand pound presently : this you see proved by Hibbots the party , and by master Hoy the son of the Lady Hibbots . So that here is a determination of a cause before the Councell Table touching land , which was neither plantation , nor Church-land , without colour of the instructions , contrary to law , to statute , to practice ; and if this be not an exercising of an unlawfull jurisdiction over the Land and Estates of the subject , I know not what is . In his answer to this case hee did open it ( yet whether he mistook or no I know not ) that hee had a letter from the King , but he produces none in evidence ; and that is another mis-recitall . I am sorry he should mis-recite , and fix it upon the person of his Soveraigne in a case of this nature . Now he falls more immediately upon the liberty of the subject , and that is by the Warrant mentioned in the ninth Article , to be issued to the Bishop of Downe and Conner , whereby he gives power to him and his Officers to apprehend any of the Kings subjects that appeared not upon Proces out of his Ecclesiasticall Courts , expresly contrary to law ; and your Lordships have heard how miserably the Kings subjects were used by this warrant , as hath beene proved by a Gentleman of quality , Sir James Mountgomery : And howsoever hee pretends it was called in , it was three whole yeers in execution , before it was called in ; and though he pretends his Predecessours did ordinarily grant Warrants of that nature , yet he proves no such thing . My Lord Primate was examined , and he sayes , that Bishop Mountgomery did tell him there was such a Warrant , and one witnesse more speakes of one Warrant , and that is all the witnesses produced , and that but to be a copy too . Your Lordships have heard how he exercises his jurisdiction and power over particulars , and that in a numerous manner ; now your Lordships shall find it universall , and spread over the face of that Kingdome that was under his jurisdiction , and that is in the tenth Article , which concernes the Customes : where hee doth impose upon the Kings subjects a rate and taxe against law , and enforces them to pay it , or else punishes them for it ; which is expresly an arrogating to himselfe of a jurisdiction above the law . My Lords , in his answer he pretends that this is rather a matter of fraud than otherwise : in truth and so it is , and that a great one too . But as it is a fraud , a dis-service , and deceit to his Majestie , so it is likewise an exercise of a tyrannicall jurisdiction over his subjects : That it is a fraud to his Majestie it plainly appeares , for the King lost exceedingly by it ; whereas before the rent affoorded the King was 11050. l. there was improved by the new lease , that my Lord of Strafford took but 1350. l. and I beseech your Lordships observe how much the King lost by it ; for my Lord had comprehended in his new lease the impost of wine , for which the King before that time received 1400. l. a yeere ; and likewise the Custome of London Durry , Colerane , and Knockfergus , for which the King had reserved 1700. l. a yeere , besides the moity of the seisures : so here is 5000. l. that the King lost of the old rent expresly : and , if your Lordships please , observe the gain and benefit my Lord of Strafford made by it ; in one yeere he and his sharers received 39000. l. and in the last yeere 51000. l. and that expresly proved upon two accounts : and if this be his dealing , where is his service to the King in his pretence to advance the Customes ? It is true , he sayes , the King hath five eighth parts , but it was but within these two yeeres , the King had it not before . And I would very gladly have heard whether the King received his part of an account of 55000. l. if he had received it , I beleeve wee should have heard of it . My Lords , there is something more ; here is a new imposition on the Kings people without law , and yet I will doe my Lord of Strafford no injury : but I tell you how the proofe stands ; It was a book of rates framed before he came to the forme , for the booke of rates was in March , and the date of his assignment is in April following ; and therefore my Lord saith , it could not be for his benefit . But , my Lords , all this while my Lord of Strafford was in England , and in agitation for the procuring of it , and they come one upon the heeles of another , and I beseech you observe cui bono ; the book of rates was procured within a moneth of the Patent , but God knowes whether it were not within the compasse of his intentions to take the Patent ; and therefore whether he were not the Instrument of raising rates , it rests in your Lordships judgement , and all that heare me ; I am sure the benefit redounded to himselfe : and so here is an arbitrary government in imposing and forcing to pay , for that I desire your Lordships to take with you ; and hee might as well have raised nineteen shillings on a pound , as nine pence , or three pence , by the same rule of Law . The next Article in number was the eleventh , and I would be glad my Lord had not mentioned it ; it concernes the Pipe-staves , wherein he pretends he did the King great service , and that , he sayes , was the reason of our passing over it : but that was not the reason ; it had beene a foule businesse if we had opened it ; but having enough besides , we made not use of it : for the substance of the proofes by multiplicity of witnesses had beene , That the parties themselves that bought the Pipe-staves for foure pound odd money , were faine to sell them to his Instruments for six pounds , and after to buy them againe for ten pounds , else there must be no licence to export them : But that I would not have mentioned if he had let it slip over . I come to the twelfth Article , and that is concerning the Tobacco , wherein he pretends the Kings service , and , if my memory faile me not , the desire of the Parliament , that hee should take this into his hands for the King . My Lords , therein , under his favour , hee hath mis-recited the evidence , and spoken that hee cannot justifie ; for he can shew no such desire of the Parliament . It is true , there was a desire of the Parliament , that the King would be pleased to take his Customes into his hands for the advancement of his revenew , that it might goe to maintaine himselfe , and he might not be abused , and others live by it ; but to take the Tobacco into his hands , he never did , nor can produce a witnesse to prove such their desire ; and therefore , under favour , he fixes a wrong upon the Parliament , and injures your Lordships by his reciting that he neither did nor can make good ; for there was no such thing . But if you observe the course he takes , he makes Proclamation to hinder the importing of Tobacco into Ireland ; that if it be imported , it must be sold to him at his own rate ; and by this meanes he first hinders the liberty of the subject from doing what the law allowes him , and so takes on him an arbitrary power ; and secondly , he ingrosses this commodity to himselfe , deceiving his Majestie , to whom he professeth so much fidelity ; for whereas there is 5000. l. rent to the King , he , by the computation of Merchants , receives neere 140000 ▪ l. a yeer : And because their computations are not alwayes true , I doe not care if I allow him 40000. l. mistaken , and then he will gaine neere 100000. l. so that if he intends the Kings benefit , it is wonder he told not his Majestie of the great profit that might thereby have risen , and let him partake of it , as in justice he should have done , according to the trust reposed in him : but you have heard of no such matter . And surely my Lord of Strafford would not have omitted it , if it had been for his advantage , especially in this presence , where hee omits nothing to cleere himselfe , or to insinuate with his Majesty . Now I come to the thirteenth Article , the Article concerning Flax , which I know is fresh in your Lordships memories , and I beleeve will be so in the memories of the subjects of Ireland for many yeeres , how he ingrossed it into his hands , and interrupted the trade of the poore people , whereby such miseries and calamities befell many of that Nation , that , as you have heard it proved , thousands dye in ditches for want of bread to put in their mouths . And whereas he pretends that this was proved but by one witnesse , and that man to be imprisoned , and of no credit , though he was his owne instrument ; your Lordships remember Sir John Clatworthy his testimony , and anothers , and his own Warrant produced , and acknowledged here to justifie the execution of it , and such a thing was thereby taken into his owne hands , that I professe I never heard the like , that the poore people should be constrained to use their owne as he pleased , and that pleasing of himselfe laid an impossibility on the people to execute his pleasure , which was a bondage exceeding that of the Israelites under the Egyptians ; for there was not laid so much upon the Children of Israel , but there was a possibility to performe ; they might with much labour perchance get stubble to burn their brick , but the natives here must have a charge laid upon them without possibility to performe , and the disobedience must cost them no lesse then the losse of their goods , which drew with it even the losse of their lives for want of bread . This was not proved by onely one witnesse , but by many . And your Lordships remember the remonstrance of that Parliament of Ireland , which declares it to a greater height than I have opened it . The fifteenth Article is that of levying warre upon the Kings subjects , expresly within the Statute of 25. E. 3. and 18. H. 6. Your Lordships have heard the Warrant proved by the party himselfe , to whom it was directed ; whereby power was given to lay souldiers upon any party , that did not obey my Lord of Straffords orders at the Councell Table , but not to circumscribe him to a certain number ; but the Seargeant at Arms , and his ministers , might lay as many as they would . It is true , this warrant was not it selfe produced , but a copy was offered , which was not read ; and therefore I will not offer it to be proved , but the party that executed the Warrant it self , proves it to be under the hand and seale of my Lord of Strafford , he proves the expresse authority of it , which was to the effect I opened ; three or foure more , who saw and read it , proved the same : and that it was under the hand and seale of my Lord of Strafford , that accordingly it was executed upon divers of the Kings subjects ; it was proved by three witnesses expresly in the point , how by colour of this Warrant the Sergeant at Armes , and his Officers , sent souldiers to lye in the houses and lands of the Kings subjects ; how the owners were thereby forced out from their own habitation ; how their goods were wasted and devoured , their corn and victuals eaten up , and the souldiers never left them , as long as any part of their estates remained to maintain them . My Lord of Straffords defence is , that it hath been used before his time in Ireland ; wherein hee hath againe mis-recited ; for he did not offer a proofe , nor a particle of a proofe , that ever any man did know souldiers laid upon any party for refusing to appeare to a Warrant , or for other contempt at Councell Table , before himselfe did it ; but hee offered to prove , that formerly souldiers were sent against Rebels , and that after they were declared to be Rebels , and justly too ; and he proved an use and custome to force men to pay the contribution mony due to the King , but that was by consent of the people , who granted a contribution of 20000. l. a yeere , for encrease of the Kings revennue ; and that it might not be upon record in the Exchequer , and so claimed as due in time to come , they consented that souldiers should be laid upon them that refused it ; and the word ( consent ) is within the Statute of 18. H. 6. Againe , did he prove all manner of rents were levied by souldiers ? no such thing ; but such rents as were designed for payment of the Army : he proved by Sir Arthur Terringham the laying of souldiers once for the payment of a summe of mony ; but sir Arthur being demanded whether it were the Kings rents , or comprehended within the same generall rule , he could make no answer thereunto . Your Lordships remember , he sayes he did not know it , and therefore probably it was the Kings rents ; and doubtlesse it was so . But if he had produced presidents , it could not be an authority for Treason , that if people did not appeare to his orders , he must levie warre against the Kings subjects ; and for his extenuation of the warre , that the same was of no great danger , there being not above five or six souldiers layd at a time . I would to God the people oppressed by it , had cause to undervalue it : I am sure foure or six Musketiers are as strong to oppresse a man as foure thousand ; so the matter of fact is strongly and expresly proved . Besides , though there came not above foure or five to a house , yet the authority given to the Sergeant was generall ; he might have brought more if hee had listed : and in truth hee brought as many as the estate of the party would maintain . And as to the not producing of the Warrant , I have already answered it . If it were in the case of a Deed wherin men call for witnesses , it were something ; but God forbid that the Treason should be gone , and the Traitor not questionable , if his warrant can be once put out of the way . The next Article which is laid to his charge is , for issuing out a Proclamation , and Warrant of restraint , to inhibit the Kings subjects to come to the Fountaine , their Soveraigne , to deliver their complaints of their wrongs and oppressions . Your Lordships have heard how hee hath exercised his jurisdiction , and now he raises a battery to secure and make it safe . If he doe wrong , perhaps the complaint may come to the gracious eares of a King , who is ready to give reliefe , and therefore he must stop these cries , and prevent these meanes , that hee may goe on without interruption . And to that end he makes propositions here , that the Kings subjects in Ireland should not come over to make complaint against Ministers of State , before an addresse first made to himselfe . It is true , hee makes a faire pretence and shew for it , and had just cause of approbation , if he had intended what he pretended ; But as soon as he came into Ireland , what use made hee of it ? he ingrosses the proceedings of almost all the Courts of Justice into his owne hands , and so pre-possesses the King by a colourable proposition , and prevents their comming over before they had made their addresse to himselfe , and then he becomes the wrong doer , and issues Proclamations for the hindering of the Kings subjects to seeke redresse without his leave ; which is as great a proofe of his designe , and as great an injury to the people , governed under a gracious Prince , as a heart can conceive . And what his intention was in exhibiting this proposition , it will appeare in the sentence of a poor man , one David , who was censured , and most heavily fined for comming over into England to prosecute complaint against my Lord of Strafford . It is true , that this was not the cause expressed , but this was the truth of the matter . Your Lordships remember a clause in the order at Councell Boord , whereby is set forth the cause wherefore the party is not sentenced , which I never saw in an order before , nor should now , but that my Lord foresaw there was danger in it , that he might be charged in this place for the fact ; and therefore puts in negatively why the party was not censured . Clausula inconsulta inducit suspitionem . And how defends he this Article ? he sayes , his Predecessours issued Proclamations to hinder the Kings subjects from going over , lest they should joyne with O Neale and Tirconnell beyond sea , and so it might be dangerous to the State ; but because they may joyn with Forreiners , shall they therefore not come to the King to make just complaint ? what this argument is , I referre to your Lordships judgments . Then he pretends a former president , affirming that the like Instructions were given to my Lord of Faulkland ; but was there any , that none should come to their Soveraigne to make their just appeale if injured ? Surely there was never any such Instruction before , and I hope never will be againe . The next Article is the nineteenth : And now when hee had so plentifully exercised his tyranny over the lives , the liberty , and the estates of the Kings subjects . A man would think he could goe no further ; but see a Tyranny exercised beyond that , and that is over the Consciences of men : hitherto hee dealt with the outward man , and now hee offers violence to the inward man , and imposes an Oath upon the Kings subjects , and so exerciseth a tyranny over the Consciences of men . And setting aside the matter of the Oath , if he hath authority and power to impose such an Oath as he shall frame , he may by the same power impose any Oath to compell Consciences . He pretends a Warrant from his Majestie to doe it , but the Kings Ministers are to serve the King according to law ; and I dare be bold to say ( and we have good reason to thank God for it ) if any of the Kings Ministers tell him that any Command he gives is against law , there is no doubt but in his goodnesse and piety hee will withdraw his Command , and not enforce execution ; and therefore if there were an errour , the King is free , and the Ministers to be justly charged with it . But there was no Command from the King to compell and enforce them to take the Oath by the power of the Star-chamber , to commit them to prison , to impose heavie fines , and tyrannize over them ; all which he did in the case of Steward . And now one would have thought hee had acted his part , when he had acted as much as lay in his own power ; and yet he goes beyond this , he was not content to corrupt all the streames ( which was not a diverting of the course , as he spoke in his answer ; for he not onely turned the course of the water , but changed the nature of it , converted it into poyson , a legall and just proceeding into a Tyrannicall and Arbitrary government , which is not turning , but corrupting of the cleere and christall streams to bitternesse and death . ) But yet the Fountaine remains cleere , and perhaps when his hand is taken off , you shall have the streames run as pure and uncorrupt as ever they did . This is it troubles him , remove but this obstacle , and the work is perfect ; and therefore now he will goe about to corrupt the streames : if hee can but infuse his poyson into the Kings heart , which is the Fountain , then all is done ; and now he attempts that , and approacheth the Throne , endeavours to corrupt the Kings goodnesse with wicked counsels ; but God be thanked he finds too much piety there to prevaile . And therefore the next Article is that , that charges him to be an Incendiary to the warre betwixt the two Kingdomes : and now I shall be bold to unfold the mysterie , and answer his objection : To what purpose should he be an Incendiary ? were it not better to enjoy his estate in peace and quietnesse , then have it under danger of a warre ? Now your Lordships shall have the Riddle discovered . The first thing hee doth after his comming into England is , to incense the King to a warre , to involve two Nations , of one faith , and under one Soveraigne , to imbrue their hands in each others blood , and to draw Armies into the field . That he was this Incendiary , give me leave to revive your Lordships memories with the proofes which will make it plaine ; and first give me leave to note unto your Lordships , that his Majestie , with much wisedome , did in July 1639. make a pacification with his subjects , and even at the very heeles of this pacification , when all things were at peace , upon the tenth of September , which was the next moneth but one , your Lordships remember the sentence of Steward in the Star-chamber of Ireland , for not taking the oath ; your Lordships may call to mind the language my L. of Strafford was pleased to use of the Scots : when all was in quietnesse , he then calls them no better then Traitours and Rebels , if you will beleeve what the witnesse testifies , whom my Lord is pleased to call a School-master : And truly admit hee were so , because he is a School-master , therefore not to be beleeved , is a non sequitur . And another witnesse , one Loftus , speaks to the words , though not in the same manner ; but , I say , the tenth of September , when things were at peace and rest , when the King was pleased to be reconciled to them by that pacification , what boiled in his breast then to the breaking forth of such expressions , I know not , unlesse it were an intention to be an Incendiary . My Lords , I must say and affirme , and he hath not proved it to the contrary , that all this while ( I am confident ) there was not any breach of the pacification on either side , and it lyes on his part to prove there was : But the Parliament of Scotland then sitting , and making preparation for their demands in pursuance of the Articles of pacification , hee , comming over into England in September , immediately upon the pacification , answers , That he found things so distracted here ▪ that it was fit the Scots should be reduced by force , if they could not be otherwise : yet no breach appeares , no war was denounced , there was no intention of a warre : But see what harboured in his breast all the while ? The fourth of December following , my Lord Traquaire made his relation to the Councell of the Scots proceedings : and all this while there was no Demands brought by the Scots themselves , nor reason of their Demands brought by others , though they were prepared ; yet you have heard his advice was for an offensive warre , and that the Demands were a just cause of the war . And though he pretends hee said no more then what the rest of the Lords of the Councell concurred with him in , I will joyne in issue with him in that , and if some of your Lordships be not satisfied , you have many noble Lords among you , from whom you may be satisfied that it is not so ; I am sure he proves it not . It is true , in the proposition of the Demands some of the Lords of the Councell did say , that these Demands hypothetically , if the Scots did not give satisfaction by their reasons , were a just cause of warre ; but not any Lord of the Councell was of opinion , that the very Demands , positively , without hearing of the reasons , were a just cause of warre , but himselfe ; and I beleeve the noble Lords of the Councell their Consciences can tell them , and I beleeve will deliver it to the rest of the Peeres , that I speake truth . For the offensive warre he pretends a concurrence of the rest , but it was disproved ; many were for it upon these termes , if they did not give reasons , and shew just cause for their Demands ; and many were against an offensive warre upon any terms , and therefore herein he fixes that upon the Lords of the Councell , that hee cannot make good . All this while his intentions are discovered by a matter precedent , but after the breach he discovers his anger further towards the Scottish Nation , and makes it his designe to incense the King to this warre . My Lords , hee is not at an end yet , for he confesses himselfe that hee advised the King to call a Parliament ; and now I come to his work of merit , but it was to his destruction , and serves to prove this Article directly ; for to what purpose was this Parliament called ? Exitus acta probat ; it was no sooner set , but within three weekes a proposition is made for supply towards a warre against the Scots : who was the cause of calling the Parliament ? himselfe ; and therefore who was the cause of this proposition but himselfe ? and so the calling of the Parliament is a concurring evidence of his being an Incendiary to put on the warre ; and it shall appeare anon absolutely , that he was the occasion of it , though he thinkes there be no proofe of it . Did not he goe over into Ireland , and by his solicitation there , Subsidies were granted by the Parliament , onely to maintaine this warre , and to shew their ingagement in it ? and who was the occasion of drawing them on , I referre to your Lordships judgements , by the circumstances precedent . Your Lordships heard his good opinion of the Scots , when he began to discourse with the Citizens touching money , and their affording of the King supply , and seising the mint , by giving them no better expressions than Rebels ; for , saith he , you are more forward to help the Rebels , than to pay the King his owne : I know not who hee meant , but certainly the Scots were in his thoughts ; so that from the beginning he incensed the warre against them : first , hee exclaimed against them during time of peace . He alledges in his answer , that things were found in such distraction , that it was fit the Scots should be reduced by force ▪ he gave advice precipitately without hearing the reasons , and not concurrent to the Councell , for an offensive warre ; and putting all together , I referre it to your Lordships judgement who is the Incendiary ; for how can it be proved more cleerely , unlesse it should appeare under his hand and seale , proved by two or three witnesses ? Now , my Lords , how comes this to be his designe ? here the mystery comes to be unfolded . Having thus incensed to the warre , and ingaged the King to the uttermost , and having a Parliament now dissolved without supply , he sets up an Idol of his owne creation , as a means to draw on his designe , and that was necessity ; necessity is it that must enforce the King : what to doe ? to levie money , to use his Prerogative , to raise supplies upon his subjects without their consent , against their will , necessity must be his argument , and this warre must be thē occasion of that necessity , and without that he cannot suggest to the Kings eare , or advise this necessity , till this bee brought to passe . And now he hath brought it to passe , he began in the one and twentieth , two and twentieth , and three and twentieth Article , to perswade the King ▪ that necessity hath surprized him , by the Parliaments deserting of him ; that the Parliament had forsaken the King , in denying supply , and having tried the affections of his people , hee was loose , and absolved from all rules of government , and had an Army in Ireland which he might employ , to reduce this Kingdome . That he spake these words to the King , part is proved by two concurrent witnesses , that is , that having tried the affections of his people , he was now loose , and absolved from all rules of government ; which words are proved by two witnesses of eminent quality , that is , my Lord of Northumberland , and Sir Henry Vane : and truly , howsoever my Lord in his speech pretends , that the most materiall words are proved but by one witnesse ( it seeming that hee held it not a materiall charge , that he counselled the King that he was absolved from all rules of government ) for my part , if your Lordships be satisfied those words were proved , I could willingly satisfie my owne Conscience in it , and make no great matter to quit the rest ; for I know not how he could expresse it in higher termes , then that the King was absolved from rules of government , for then he might doe what he would . It is true , the latter words , touching the Irish Army , are expresly proved but by one witnesse , master Secretary Vane ; but are fortified againe with such circumstances as make up more then one , yea , more than two other witnesses , if your Lordships will have the patience to have it represented , as it is proved . For howsoever it be slighted by him , if your Lordships will call to mind the words of Sir George Radcliffe , his bosome friend ( to whom he had contributed without question his advice in all causes ) the said Sir George Radcliffe expressed it before , and told some of his friends ( supposing that he never should be called in question , and that the power of my Lord of Strafford had been enough to protect any thing he had done , and out of the aboundance of the heart his mouth spake ) the King must now want no money ; if he did , no body would pity him , now he had his sword in his hand . Sir Robert King proves it so . My Lord Renula discovered the smoake of the fire that hee had just cause to suspect , and on good grounds , I am sure ; and if the Commons of England had not just cause to suspect him ( as I beleeve he is convinced they had good cause ) what is the reason this suspition should bee entertained at that time , my Lord of Strafford being not then questioned for it ? and yet my Lord Renula should say , Shall wee turne our swords upon our owne bowels ? shall we bring this Army to turne the points of our blades upon that Nation from whence we were all derived ? and that was before any conference with master Secretary Vane . Sir William Penniman himselfe , his owne witnesse and friend , sayes , at York , before my Lord of Strafford was questioned , that there was a common fame of bringing the Army into England , and there is something in that surely ; and after all this , to produce one witnesse that expresly proves the very words spoken in terminis , as they bee charged , if your Lordships put the whole together , see whether there be not more then one witnesse . And , under favour , my Lord Cottington , if you call to mind his testimony , I must justifie , he did declare , that he heard my Lord of Strafford tell the King , that some reparation was to be made to the subjects property ; which must inferre , he had advised an invasion upon the property ; else by no good coherence should a reparation bee made . And that he testifies this , I must affirme , and most here will affirme it ; and I think your Lordships well remember it : and that is an addition to it ; for if your Lordships cast your eye upon the interrogatory administred to my Lord Admirall , and my Lord Cottington , that very question is asked ; so that his owne Conscience told him , he had advised something to invade upon the people , when he advised to a restitution after things should be settled : and so I referre it to your Lordships consideration , whether here bee not more then one witnesse by farre . It is true , he makes objections to lessen this testimony ; first , that this Army was to be landed at Ayre in Scotland , and not here ; and this was declared to Sir Thomas Lucas , master Slings by , Sir William Penniman , and others . Secondly , that others that were present , when the words are supposed to be spoken , did not heare any such words . For the first : perhaps the Army might be originally intended for Scotland , and yet this is no contradiction but he might intend it afterwards for England ; surely this is no Logick , that because it was intended for one place , it could never be intended for another place ; so his allegarion may be true , and the charge stand true likewise . Beside that it was intended orriginally for Scotland , what proofe makes hee ? Hee told severall persons of the designe , but I will be tryed by himselfe , he told some , it was for Scotland , he told others it was for England ; and why you should beleeve his telling on one side , more then on the other side I know not ; though he pretends a reason of his severall allegations that the world should not know his designe , but if you will not beleeve him one way , why should he be beleeved the other way ? and if not the other way , why the first way ? For the second , severall persons were present when the words were spoken touching the Irish Armie , and they were examined , and remember not the words ; but one man may heare , though twentie doe not heare ; and this is no contradiction at all : For those persons whom he examined , the Lord Treasurer , Marquesse Hambleton , my Lord Cottington , did not heare the words that are proved by two witnesses , concerning the Kings being loose , and absolved from rules of government : and if they did not heare those words , no marvaile they did not heare the other : and therefore that which hee himselfe pretends to be a convincing testimonie , is nothing at all ; so that his objections are clearely taken away , and the single testimonie fortified with testimonies that make above one witnesse , and so the words are fully proved . But to fortifie the whole , I shall handle all these Articles together , This designe to subvert the Law , and to exercise an arbitrary power above the Law in this kingdome , will ( upon the proofes putting them altogether , and not taking them in pieces as my Lord of Strafford hath done ) appeare to have been harboured in his thoughts , and settled in his heart long before it was executed . You see what his Counsels were , That the King having tryed the affections of his people , was loose and absolved from all rules of government , and might doe every thing that power would admit , and his Majesties had tryed all wayes , and was refused , and should be acquitted of God and man , and had an army in Ireland , wherewith if hee pleased he might reduce this kingdome : so there must be a triall of his people , for supply that is denyed , which must be interpreted , a defection by refusall , and this refusall must give advantage of necessity , and this necessity must be an advantage to use his Prerogative against the rule of the Law , and consent of the People ; this is his advice . which shewes that this very thing that hapned did harbour in his thoughts long before the breach of the Parliament , and the occasion of the Armie . Your Lordships have heard it confessed by himselfe , That before this last advice , he had advised the calling of a Parliament : to the Parliament a proposition of twelve Subsidies was made for supply , and ( which may be spoken with great assurance ) before they had consulted , or given any resolution to that proposition , the Parliament was dissolved , upon a supposal that the supply was denied . Now that this was predesigned by my L. of Strafford himselfe , I beseech you observe these things following , that is , the words in the two and twentieth Article , That his Majestie was first to try the Parliament , and if that did not supply him , then he would serve the King any other way . His words are proved by Mr. Treasurer , That if the Parliament supplyed him not , hee would serve him any other way ; and this is before the Parliament set : now if your Lordships heare the proofes of my Lord Primate ( which my Lord of Strafford slights taking it singly ) My Lord Primate before the Parliament was called , when my Lord of Strafford was in Ireland , and not yet come into this kingdome , testifies , my Lords , saying , That if the Parliament will not supply his Majestie , the King was acquitted before God and Man , if hee tooke some other course to supply himselfe , though against the will of the Subjects . I beseech your Lordships observe how he prophecies these things must come to passe , and advised them accordingly . My Lord Conway testifies , that before the Parliament sate , my Lord of Strafford said , that if the Parliament would not supply his Majestie , the King was acquitted before God and Man , if hee tooke another course to supply himselfe , though it were against the will of the subject , and he doubts not but the Parliament would give , what ? twelve Subsidies : and your Lordships very well remember , twelve were propounded ; but I beseech you observe the coherence of all : the Parliament must be called , they must be tryed , if they deny there is necessity , and this necessity is a warrant for the King to proceed ; so that my Lord of Strafford must be judged to be either a Prophet , or to have this designe before hand in his thoughts . Now the Parliament being broken before answer to the demand given , he vents his counsell in the three and twentieth Article , and how far it is proved your Lordships have heard . Now comes the Bullion to be seized , the Copper money to be advised , and now comes he to tell the King that the Aldermen of London must be put to fine , and ransome , and laid by the heeles , and no good would be done till some of them bee hanged , so you heare his advice ; I beseech your Lordships observe what successe this advice tooke ; foure Aldermen were instantly committed , and then the Councell of the three and twentieth Article is fomented . First , he foments the warre , then there is a necessitie , the defection of the Parliament must set the King loose from rules of government , and now see whether the occasion of the warre , the calling of the Parliament , the dissolving of it , be not adequate to what he propounded to himselfe , namely , to set up an arbitrary government . Your Lordships remember how fresh my Lord of Bristowes memorie is , touching my Lord of Straffords opinion upon the dissolution of the Parliament , how he declared unto my Lord of Bristow instantly within three or fower dayes after , That the King was not to be mastered by the frowardnesse of his people , or rather of some particular persons ; and your Lordships remember Sir George Wentworths words spoken the very day of dissolving the Parliament : which may be very well applyed as a concurrent proof to his intentions of bringing the Army into England . He was my Lords owne brother , that knew much of his Councell , and his words are , That the English Nation would never be well , till they were conquered over againe . So my Lords put all together , if he declared his owne intentions , if actions , in executing of this tyrannicall , and arbitrary power , if Counsels of as dangerous consequence , in as high a strain as can be , be not a sufficient evidence to prove an intention , and desire , to subvert the Law , I know not what can prove such an Interpretation : and now I referre it to your Lordships judgements , whether here be not a good proofe of the Article laid to his charge . My Lord in the seven and twentieth Article hee is charged with levying of warre upon the Kings people , by forcing them in Yorkshire to pay money : to prove they were so forced , you have heard by two witnesses , that Sergeant Major Yaworth , by Musketeers , fower together in the towne , and one by one out of the towne , did compell them to pay the fortnights contribution , else they were to serve in person : That hee did this by warrant is likewise confessed by Sir William Penyman ; and whether this were an authoritie derived from , or commanded by my Lord of Strafford , that is the question ; and , my Lords , it is plainly proved , that it was commanded by my Lord of Strafford , for Sr. William Penyman himselfe being examined , alledged that the warrant was made in pursuance of the relation , and direction made by my Lord of Strafford . Your Lordships heard what my Lord of Strafford did say before hand , as is proved by two witnesses , ( Sir William Ingram and Mr. Cholmeley ) that this money should be paid , or levied on the subjects goods ; Then his declaration to Sir William Penyman , ( in pursuance of which he made his warrant ) That it was the assent of the Lords of the great Councell , that this money should be levied ; and taking all together , whether it fixes it not upon him to be the authour and instrument , it rests in your judgements in point of fact : and so I suppose the seven and twentieth Article rests on him , and so I shall conclude the evidence produced on the behalfe of the Commons . And now give me leave to put your Lordships in mind of some evidences offered by my Lord of Strafford himselfe in his answer , and in the passages of his defence , for his clearing and justification , but tending directly to his condemnation . I will enter upon some passages he mentioned to day , and often before ▪ When he is charged with invading the estates of the Peeres of the kingdome of Ireland , and determining them , upon paper petitions in an arbitrary way ▪ your Lordships have heard him speake it before , and repeat it this day , that he did it out of compassion for the more expeditious proceeding on behalfe of the poore , against these mighty ▪ But then , my Lords , I beseech you compare some other part of his proceedings . Your Lordships remember the businesse of the Flax , which concernes the poore wholly and universally ; and if compassion had beene the rule and direction of his actions towards the poore ▪ surely this would have beene a just cause to have commiserated them in this case ; but hee exercised his power over them , and over them wholly , and over them universally : and therefore it shewes , it is not his compassion to the poore , nor respect to the rich , or mighty , that will any way restraine or obstruct his wayes , to his owne will . And therefore you may see what truth there is in his answer , by comparing one part of the charge with another , when the businesse of the Flax brought that calamity upon the Kings Subjects , that thousands of them perished for lacke of bread , and dyed in ditches . Secondly , your Lordships have often heard him use a Rhetoricall insinuation , wondering that he should be charged with words , and they strained so high as to be made treason , to question his life , and posterity , though the words might be spoken unadvisedly , or in discourse , or by chance : your Lordships remember the fifth Article touching his proceedings against my Lord Mount-Norris where words were spoken in an ordinary discourse at dinner , and slight ones , God knowes , of no consequence at all , such as another man would scarce have harkened after , and yet my Lord extends them to the taking away of my Lord Mount-Norris his life ; gets a sentence of death against him , and that against Law , with a high hand , in such a manner , as I thinke your Lordships have not heard the like ; and therefore , I beseech you , compare one part of his answer with another , and see how ready he is to make use of any thing that may excuse himselfe ; and yet when he comes to act his power , you see his exercise of it . You have heard how hee magnifies his zeale for advancing the Kings benefit , & revennue , and his care of his service , and would shelter and protect himselfe under it , to justifie an exorbitant action ▪ but if your Lordships call to mind the businesse of Customes for Tobacco , ( which in truth were the Kings right and due , and a great profit was thereby advanced ; and he trusted to advance it . ) The King must loose of his former rents in the case of Custome , and received a small rent in the case of Tobacco , my Lord himselfe in the meane time imbursing such vast summes of money : where is then the discharge of his trust ? where is his care to advance the Kings rents ▪ to encrease his revennue ? Compare that part of his answer with this , and see what credit is to be given to his affirmation . My Lords , throughout the passages of his discourse he insinuates , ( and never more then this day ) with the Peeres of the Realme , magnifying them almost to Idolatrie ; and yet my Lords , when he was in his kingdome , in Ireland , and had power over them , what respect shewed he then to the Peeres of the kingdome , when he judged some to death , trampled upon others in misery , committed them to prison and seized on their estates ; where then was the Peerage he now magnifies ? And to shew it was an insinuation for his owne advantage , you may remember , when there was an unlawfull Act to be committed , that is , the levying of money in the North , what regard had he then to the Peeres of the kingdome , when hee comes to justifie and boulster up high treason it selfe , under the name and authoritie of the great Councell , where most of the Peers of the Realm then were ? and so by this time I know what credit your Lordships give to his words spoken , when he lyes under your mercy , and power : But what doe I speake of the Peers of the kingdome , and his using of them ? My Lords , he spared not his Soveraigne , his Majestie in his whole defence ; for being charged with offences of a high nature , hee justifies those offences under the pretence , and under the authoritie of his Majestie , our gracious King and Soveraigne , even murder it selfe , in the case of Denwit , and my Lord Mountnorris . Treason it selfe , in the fifteenth Article by a command in Ireland , and in the seven and twentieth , by a pretended authoritie from his Majestie in the face of his people ; hee justifies my Lord Mountnorrice his sentence by a letter from his Majestie , Denwits sentence by a Commission from his Majestie , and hee read three or fower clauses to that purpose . My Lords , my Lord of Strafford doth very well know ( and if he doth not know it , I have a witnesse to produce against him , which I wil not examine , but refer it to his owne Conscience , that is , the petition of right ; ) that the Kings servants are to serve him according to law , and no otherwise : he very well knew if an unlawfull act be committed , specially to a degree of Treason and Murder , the Kings authority and warrant produced , is no justification at all . So then , my Lords , to mention the Kings name , to justifie an unlawfull act in that way , can doe him no good ; and his owne understanding knowes , it may doe the King harme , if wee had not so gracious a King , that no such thing can doe harme unto . But , my Lords , to produce the Kings warrant to justifie his actions under his Patent and Command , what is it else , but so farre as in him lies , in the face of his people , to raise a cloud , and exhale a vapour ? to interpose betwixt the King and his subjects ? whereby the splendour of his glory and justice cannot bee discovered to his people . My Lords , what is it else , when the people make complaint against the Ministers ( that should execute justice ) of their oppression , and slavery , and bondage ? For the Minister , when he is questioned , to justifie this under the Kings authority , what is it , I say , but , as much as in that Minister lies , to fix this offence , to fasten this oppression upon the King himself , to make it to be beleeved , that the occasion of these their groanes proceeded from his sacred Majestie ? yet God be thanked the strength of that Sunne is powerfull enough to dispell these vapours , and to disperse the cloud that hee would have raised ; but in the meane time my Lord is nothing to bee excused . My Lords , he may pretend zeale to the Kings service , and affection to his honour , but give me leave not to beleeve it , since , when he is questioned by all the Kings people , and in the face of his people , and offences laid to his charge , which himselfe now confesses to be against law ; he should justifie it under the Kings authority ; that savours not of a good servant : I will say no more . My Lords , he is charged with exercising of a tyrannicall power over the Kings people , and in his defence your Lordsh●ps have often heard ( and I may not omit it ) that he shelters himself under the protection of the Kings Prerogative , though he be charged with tyranny of the highest nature that may be : see then how foule and malignant an aspect this hath . My Lords , what is it else , but to endeavour , as much as in him lies , to infuse into the Kings heart an apprehension , that his Prerogative is so bottomlesse a gulfe , so unlimited a power , as is not to be comprehended within the rules of law , or within the bounds of government ? for else why should he mention the Prerogative , when he is charged to exceed the law ? What is it else , but , as farre as in him lyes , to make the people beleeve ( for I may not forget the words hee hath used ) by his magnifying of the Prerogative , that it hath a speciall stamp of Divinity on it , and that the other part of the government that God pleases to put into the Kings hands , had not that stamp upon it ? as if anything done by one , was to be justified by authority derived from heaven , but the other not . These expressions your Lordships remember ; and I may not omit to put your Lordships in mind of them ; and I can expound them no otherwise , then , as much as in him lies , to make the subject beleeve and apprehend that which is the buckler and defence of his protection , to be the two edged sword of his destruction , according to the doctrine he preached ; and that that which is the Sanctuary of their liberty , is the snare and engine of their slavery . And thus he hath cast a bone of contention , as much as in him lay , betwixt King and people , to make the subjects loath that glorious flower of his Crowne , by fixing a jealousie in them , that it may bee a meanes of their bondage and slavery . But there is so much piety and goodnesse in the Kings heart , that I hope , upon faire understanding , there will be no such occasion ; but no thankes to the party , that so much adva●●ed the prerogative in the case and condition he stands in , to justifie that which is laid to his charge of high treason . My Lords , I beseech you give me leave ; there is no greater safety to Kings and people , then to have the throne incircled with good Counsellers ; and no greater danger to both , then to have it encompassed with wicked and dangerous ones ; and yet I beseech you call to mind how hee hath attempted to deprive the subject of all meanes to discover this danger , by insinuating to your Lordships , what a dangerous thing it were , if Counsellers should be called in question for giving of counsell ; for who then ( saith he ) would be a Counseller ? where is your safeguard ? where is the Kings service ? Is not this , as much as in him lies , to deprive the people of the means whereby they must make themselves happy , and whereby the King must be happy , that is , by his having good Councellours about him ? and yet he infuses that venome , that the questioning of Counsellours is dangerous both to King and Peeres , if it should be brought into example . My Lords , for many yeeres by past , your Lordships know an evill spirit hath moved amongst us , which in truth hath been made the author and ground of all our distractions , and that is necessity and danger : this was the bulwarke , and the battery that serves to defend all exorbitant actions : the ground and foundation of that great invasion of our liberties and estates , the judgement in the ship money , and the ground of the counsell given of late to doe any thing , and to perswade the King that he was absolved from all rules of government ; and yet your Lordships have observed in the course of his defence , how often he hath raised this spirit , that God be thanked hath beene laid , to the great comfort of King and Kingdome , by your Lordships , and all the Commons in Parliament . And when he stands under this question , and goes about to justifie his exorbitant actions , how often hath he created this Idol againe ? and therefore I am affraid he discovers too much his owne heart in it . My Lor : I may not omit some other passages in his defence , how he hath cast scandalls upon three Nations in this place ; that is , in his first day of defence , when the Irish Remonstrance , made by all the Commons of Ireland , was produced by the Commons of England ; he expressed in a passion , that things were carried against him by faction and correspondence , and ( if hee had time he would make it appeare ) with a strong conspiracy . Here is a scandall cast upon the Parliament of Ireland with a reflection on the Commons of England ; howsoever , it is true your Lordships may remember the recantation he made that day , which I will not omit , desiring not to lay any thing to his charge but what is true ; but it is the reflection of a scandall that I cannot omit to put your Lordships in mind of ; and the rather , because this Remonstrance , presented from the Parliament of Ireland , did beare date before my Lord of Strafford was charged here , which is very remarkable , viz. the seventh of November ; and therefore , though he pretends a correspondence , certainly there could be none then , for he is not charged here til the tenth . And the same day , justifying a sentence in the Castle Chamber , your Lordships remember he affirmed , that unlesse a strict hand were kept upon the Nation there , they would find it hard to prevent perjury , one of the most crying sinnes in Ireland . Now to lay an aspersion upon the subjects of Ireland , being under the government of the same King with us , how fit this is to be done by a man in that condition that my Lord of Strafford is , I referre to your consideration . Another passage I remember , whereby in his defence he fell upon that Nation ; in answer of which I may not omit to do the service I owe to the Commons for whom I am trusted , and that is , that talking of an arbitrary and tyrannicall government , in reference to some Orders of the Commons House in Ireland , hee used words to this purpose : You talk of an Arbitrary government , looke upon these Orders , here is an Arbitrary government : and yet when he produced the Orders , they appeared to have so much justice and discretion in them , that he can lay nothing to the charge of them , though in a passion he is not backward to asperse them . My Lords , if this Lyon ( to use his own language ) now that hee is chained and muzzled under the restraint and question of high Treason , will here take the boldnesse to vent this language , and expresse this malignity , how would he doe if he were unchained ? how would he devoure ? how would he destroy ? &c. My Lords , something concernes your Lordships ; your Lordships remember that hee was not backward in his owne answer , to fix a charge of high Treason upon the Lords of the great Councell ; and howsoever , hee hath affirmed this day , I must open it againe , that the charge of the seven and twentieth Article he fixes in his answer to be by consent of the Lords of the great Councell , though he hath since recanted it ; and yet you have heard him alledge , that he will stand and fall by the truth of his answer . My Lords , I am now at an end . You have my Lord of Strafford here questioned for high Treason , for going about to subvert the fundamentall lawes of both Kingdomes , in defence whereof your noble Ancestors spent their lives and bloods . My Lords , you are the sonnes of those fathers , and the same blood runs in your veines , that did in theirs ; and I am confident you will not think him fit to live , that goes about to destroy that which protects your lives , and preserves your estates and liberties . My Lords you have the complaints of three kingdomes presented before you against this great person ; whereby you Lordships perceive that a great storme of distemper and distraction hath been raised , that threatens the ruine and distraction of them all . The Commons , with much paines and diligence , and to their great expence , have discoved the Jonas , that is , the occasion of this tempest . They have still and will discharge their Consciences , ( as much as in them lyes ) to cast him out of the Ship , and allay this Tempest . They expect and are confident your Lordships will perfect the worke , and that with expedition , lest with the continuance of the storme , both Ship , and Tackling , and Mariners , both Church and Common-wealth bee ruined and destroyed : The danger and horrour of this storme , your Lordships shall heare by the Gentleman that is next to speake . FINIS .