Hay any worke for Cooper, or, A briefe pistle directed by way of an Hublication to the Reverend Byshops counselling them if they will needes bee barrelled up for feare of smelling in the nostrills of His Majesty and the state that they would use the advise of Reverend Martin for the providing of their Cooper because trhe Reverend T. C., by which mysticall letters is understood either the bouncing parson of east-meane or Tom Coakes his Chaplaine, to be an unskilfull and a beceitfull Tub-trimmer : wherein worthy Martin Qvits himselfe like a man I warrant you in the modest defence of his selfe and his learned pistles and maketh the Coopers hoopes to slye off and the Bishops Tubs to leake out of all cry / penned and compiled by Martin the metropolitan. Marprelate, Martin, pseud. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A43120 of text R13144 in the English Short Title Catalog (Wing H1205). 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C., by which mysticall letters is understood either the bouncing parson of east-meane or Tom Coakes his Chaplaine, to be an unskilfull and a beceitfull Tub-trimmer : wherein worthy Martin Qvits himselfe like a man I warrant you in the modest defence of his selfe and his learned pistles and maketh the Coopers hoopes to slye off and the Bishops Tubs to leake out of all cry / penned and compiled by Martin the metropolitan. Marprelate, Martin, pseud. Penry, John, 1559-1593. [10], 49 p. s.n., [London : 1642] Running title : The epistle to the terrible priests. Attributed to John Penry. cf. BMC. An attack on Thomas Cooper, Bishop of Winchester. Reproduction of original in Thomason Collection, British Library. eng Cooper, Thomas, 1517?-1594. Levellers. Great Britain -- History -- Civil War, 1642-1649. A43120 R13144 (Wing H1205). civilwar no Hay any worke for Cooper: or, A briefe pistle directed by vvay of an Hublication to the Reverend Byshops, counselling them if they will need Marprelate, Martin, pseud 1642 22399 195 0 0 0 0 0 87 D The rate of 87 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the D category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2003-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-02 Judith Siefring Sampled and proofread 2004-02 Judith Siefring Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion Hay any worke for Cooper : OR , A BRIEFE PISTLE DIRECTED BY WAY OF an Hublication to the Reverend Byshops , counselling them if they will needes bee Barrelled up , for feare of smelling in the nostrills of his Majesty , and the state , that they would use the advise of Reverend Martin , for the providing of their Cooper , because the Reverend T. C. ( by which mysticall Letters is understood , either the bounsing Parson of Eastmeane , or Tom Coakes his Chaplaine ) to be an unskilfull and a Beceitfull Tub-trimmer . WHEREIN WORTHY MARTIN QVITS Himselfe like a Man I warrant you , in the modest defence of his selfe and his learned Pistles , and maketh the Coopers hoopes to flye off , and the Bishops Tubs to leake out of all cry . Penned and Compiled by MARTIN the METROPOLITAN . Printed in Europe , not farre from some of the Bounsing Priests , A man of worship , to the men of worship , that is Marti●… Mar-prelate gentleman , Primate , and Metropolitane of all the Ma●…tins wheresoever , To the Iohn of all the Sir Iohns , and to the rest of the terrible Priests saith , have among you once againe , my clergie masters . For , O Brethren , there is such a deale of love grown of late I perceive , betweene you and me , tha●… although I would be negligent in sending my Pistles unto you : yet I see you cannot forget me , I thought you to be very kind when you sent your Pursivaunts about the Country to seeke for me . But now that you your selves have taken the paines to write , this is out of all cry . Why it passes to thinke what loving and carefull Brethren I have , who although I cannot be gotten , to tell them where I am , because I love not the ayre of the Clinke or Gatehouse in this cold time of Winter , and by reason of my businesse in Pistle-making , will not . withstanding make it known vnto the world , that they have a moneths mind towards me , now truly brethren . I find you kind , why ye doe not know what a pleasure you have done me . My worships bookes were vnknowne to many , before you allowed T. C. to admonish the people of England to take heed , that if they loved you , they would make much of their Prelates , and the chiefe of the Clergie . Now many seeke after my bookes , more then ever they did . Againe , some knew not that our brother Iohn of Fulham , was so good vnto the porter of his gate , as to make the poore blind honest soule , to be a dum Minister . Many did not know , either that Amen , is as much as by my faith , and so that our Saviour Christ ever sware by his faith , or that bowling and eating of the Sabboth , are of the same nature : that Bishops may as lawfully make blind guydes , as David might cate of the Shew bread , or that father Thomas Tub-trimmer of Winchester , good old student , is a master of Ar●…s of 45. yeares standing . Many I say , were ignorant of these things , and many other pretty toyes , vntill you wrote this pretty booke , besides whatsoever you overpasse in my writings , and did not gainsay , that I hope will be iudged to be true , and so Iohn a Bridges his treason out of the 448 page of his booke , you grant to be true . Your selves you deny not to be petty Popes , the Bishop of fir Davids in Wales , you deny not to have two wives , with an hundred other things which you doe not gain say , so that the reader may judge that I am true of my word , and vse not to lye like Bishops , and thi●… hath greatly commended my worships good dealing . But in your confutation of my book , you have shewed reverend Martin to be truepeny indeed , for you have confirmed , rather then confuted him . So that brethren , the pleasure which you have done vnto me , is out of all scotche and notche . And should not I againe be as ready to pleasure you ? Nay , then I should be as vngratefull towards my good brethren ( as Iohn of Ca●…t . is to Thomas Cartwright . The which Iohn , although hee hath beene greatly favoured by the said Thomas , in that Thomas hath now these many yeares let him alone and said nothing vnto him , for not answering his bookes , yet is not ashamed to make a secret comparison , betweene himselfe and Thomas Cartwright - As who say , Iohn of Lambehith , were as learned as Thomas Cartwright . What say you old deane Iohn a Bridges , have not you shewed your selfe thankefull vnto his Majestie , in overthrowing his supremacie in the 448 page of your book . I will lay on load on your skincoat for this geare anon : And I will have my penyworths of all of your brethren ere I have done with you , for thi●… paines which your T. C. hath taken with me . This is the Puritans craft , in procuring me to be confuted I know : I le be even with them , to a crafty whoresons brethren Bishop , did you thinke , because the puritans T. C. did set Iohn of Cant. at a non-plus , and gave him the overthrow , that therefor●… your T. C. alias Thomas Cooper Bishop of Winchester , or Thomas Cooke his Chaplaine , could set me at a nonplus , simple fellowes , me thinkes he should not . J gesse your T , C. to b●…Thomas Cooper ( but I do●… not peremptorily affirme it ) because the modest old student of 52 ▪ yeares standing , set●…eth Winchester after Lincolne and Rochester in the cont●…ts of his booke , which blasphemy , would not have beene toller●…ted by them that saw and allowed the booke , vnlesse Mistresse Coopers husband had beene the author of it . Secondly , hecuase this T. C , the author of this booke is a Bishop , and therefore Thomas Cooper he is a Bishop , because hee reckon●…th himselfe charged ●…mongst others , with those crimes whereof none are accused but Bishops alone , pag. 101. lin. 26. Ha olde Martin , yet I see ●…hou hast it in thee , thou wilt enter into the bowels of the cause in hand I perceive . Nay if you will commend me , I will give you more reasons yet . Th●… stile and the phra●…e is very like her husbands , that was sometimes wont to write vnto Doctor Day of Welles . You see I can doe it indeed . Againe , none would be so groshead as to gather ▪ because my reverence telleth Deane Iohn , that hee shall have twenty fists about his ●…ares more then his owne ( whereby J meant indeed , that many would write against him , by reason of his bomination learning , which otherwise never meant to take pen in hand ) that J threatned him with blowes , and to deale by stafford law ; whereas that was farre from my meaning , & could by no meanes be gathered out of my words , but onely by him that pronon●…ced Enlogeni for E●…login in th●… pulpit , and by him whom a Papist made to beleeve , that the Greek word Eulogein , that is to give thankes , signifie●…h to make a crosse in the forhead : py hy hy hy , I cannot but laugh , py hy hy hy . I cannot but laugh , to thinke that an old soaking student in this learned ag●… , is not ashamed to be so impud●… as to pre●…me to deale with a Papist , when he hath no grue in his pocket . But I promise you Sir , it is no shame to be a L. Bishop if a man could , though he were as vnlearned as Iohn of Glocester , or William of L●…echfeld , And I tell you true , our brother Westchester , had as live play twenty nobles in a night , at Priemeero on the cards , as trouble himselfe with any Pulpit labour , and yet hee thinks himselfe to be a sufficient Bishop . What a Bishop such a cardplaier ? A Bishop play 20 nobles in a night ? Why a round threpence serveth the turne to make good sport 3 or foure nights amongst honest neighbours , and take heed of it brother Westchester ▪ it is an vnlawfull game if you will believe me . For in Winter it is no matter to take a little sport for an odde cast braces of twenty nobles when the weather is foule , that men cannot goe abroad to bowles , or to shoote ? What would you hav●… men take no recreation : Yea but it is an old said s●…w , enough is as good as a feast , and recreations must not be made a trade and an occupation , ka master Martin Mar-prelate , I tell you true brother min●… , though J have as good a gift in pistle making , as you have at Prieme●…ro , and f●…re more delight then you can have at your card●… , for the love I beare to my brethren , yet I dare not vse this sport , and cards I tell you though they be without hornes , yet they are parlous beasts , be they lawfull or vnlawfull take ●…eed of them for all that . For you cannot vse them but you must needs say your brother T. C. his ●…men , that is , swear●… by your faith , many a time in the night , well I will never stand ●…rgling the matter any more with you , if you will leave your card-playing so it is , if you will not , trust to it , it will bee the wo●…se for you . I must goe simply and plainely to worke with my brethren , that have published T. C. Whosoever have published that booke , they have so hooped the Bishops tubs , that they have made them to s●…ell farre more odious then ever they did , even in the nostrels of all men . The booke is of 252 pages ; the drift thereof is to 〈◊〉 certaine printed and published libels , you bestow not full 50 pages in the answer of any thing that ever was published in print , the rest are bestowed to maintain the belly , and to c●…ute : what thinke you ? Even the 〈◊〉 inventions of your ow●… braines for the most part . As that it is not lawfull for his Maiestie to allot any lands vnto the maintenance of the Minister , or the Minister to live upon lands for this purpose allot●…ed unto him , but is to content himselfe with a small pension , and so small , as he have nothing to leave for his wife and children after him ( for who●… hee is not to be car●…full , but to rest on Gods providence ) and is to require no more but foode and raiment , that in poverty he might b●… answerable vnto our Saviour Christ and his Apostles , in the confutation of these points , and the Scriptures corruptly applied to prove them ▪ there is bestowed above 100 pages of this Booke , that is , from the 149 vnto the end . Well T. C. whosoever thou art , and whatsoever Martin is , neither thou , nor any man or woman in England shall know while you live , suspect and trouble as ●…any as you will , and therefore save you●… mony in seeking for him , for it may be he is nearer you then you are ware of . But whosoever thou a●… I say , thou shewest thy selfe to be a most notorious wicked s●…anderer , in fa●…hering thes●… things vpo●… those whom they call Puritans , which ●…ever any enioying common sense would affirme ▪ And bring me him , or set downe his name and his reasons that holdeth any of the former points confuted in thy booke , and I will prove him to be vtterly bereaved of his wits , and his confuter to be either starke mad , or a starke enemy to all religion , yea to his Majestie and the state , of this Kingdome . No no , T. C. Puritans hold no such points , it were well for Bishops , that their adversaries were thus sotti●… . They might then justly incense his Maiestie and the state against them , if they were of this mind . These objections , in the confutation whereof , thou hast bestowed so much time , are so farre from having any Puritan to be their author , as whosoever readeth the booke , were he as blockheaded as Thomas of Winchester himselfe , he may easily know them to be obiections onely invented by the author of the booke himselfe . For although he be an impudent wretch , yet dareth hee not set them downe , as writings of any other , for then he would have described the author and the booke by some audient . The Puritans indeed hold it vnlawfull for a Minister to have such temporall revenewes , as whereby 10 ministers might be well maintained , vnlesse the said revenews come vnto him by inheritance . They hold it also vnlawfull , for any state to bestowe the livings of many ministers vpon one alone , especially when there is such want of Ministers livings . They hold it vnlawfull for any minister to be Lord over his brethren , and they hold it vnlawfull for any state to tolerate such vnder their government , because it is vnlawfull for states , to tolerate men in those places whereinto the word hath forbidden them to enter . They affirme that our Saviour Christ hath forbidden all ministers to be Lords , Luke 22. 25. And the Apostle Peter , sheweth them to be none of Gods Ministers , which are Lords over Gods heritage , as you Bishops are , and would be accounted . These things T. C. you should have confuted , and not troubled your selfe , to execute the fruites of your owne braines , as an enemy to the state , And in these points , I doe challenge you T. C. and you Deane Iohn , and you Iohn Whitgift , and you Doctor Coosins , and you Doctor Capcase ( Copcoat I thinke your name be ) and as many else , as have or dare write in the defence of the established church government , if you cannot confute my former assertions , you doe but in vaine think to maintain your selves by slanders , in fathering vpon the Puritans the offsprings of your own blockheads . And assure your selves , I will so be scoop , if you cānot defend your selves in these points , as all the world shall cry shame vpon you , you thinke prettely to escape the point of your Antichristian callings , by giving out that Puritans hold it vnlawfull for his Maiestie to leave any lands for the vse of the ministers maintenance , J cannot but commend you . for I promise you , you can shift of an haynous accusation very prettily , A true man bringeth vnanswerable witnesses against a robber by the high way side , and desireth the Judge , that the law may proceed against him , Oh no my Lord saith the thiefe , in any case let not me be dealt with . For these mine accusers have given out ▪ that you are a drunkard or they have committed Treason against the state , therefore I pray you beleeve my slander against them , that they may be executed , so when I come to my tryall , I shall be sure to have no accusers . A very pretty way to escape , if a man could tell how to bring the matter about . Now brethren Bishops , your manner of dealing is even the very same . The puritans say truly , that all Lord Bishops are petty Antichrists , and therefore that the Magistrates ought to thrust you out of the common-wealth . Now of all loves say the Bishops , let not our places bee called in question , but rather credit our slanders against the Puritans , whereby , if men would beleeve vs when wee lye , we would beare the world in hand , that these our accusers are Malecontents and sottish men , holding it unlawfull for the Magistrate to allot any lands for the Ministers portion , and unlawfull for the Minister to provide for his family . And therefore you must not give eare to the accusations of any such men against us . And so wee shall be sure to be acquitted . But brethren doe you thinke to be thus cleared ? Why the Puritans hold no such points as you lay to their charge . Though they did , as th●…y do not , yet that were no sufficient reasō , why you being petty Popes , should be maintained in a Christian common-wealth . A●…swer the reasons that I brought against you otherwise . Come off you Bishops , leave your thousands , and content your selves with your hundreds , saith Iohn of London . So that you doe plainely see , that your Cooper T. C. is but a deceitfull workeman , and if you commit the hooping of your Bishopricks vnto him , they will so le●…ke in a short space as they shall be able to keep never a Lord Bishop in them . And this may serve for an answere vnto the latter part of your booke , by way of an Interim , vntill more worke for Cooper bee published . Hay any worke for Cooper . ANd now reverend T. G. I am come to your Epistle to the reader , but first you and I must goe out alone into the plaine fields , and the●…e wee will try it out , even by plaine Syllogismes , and that I know Bishops cannot abide to heare of . The reverend T. G. to the Reader . Page 1. I draw great danger upon my selfe , in defending our Bishops and others the chiefe of the clergie of the church of England . Their adversaries are very eger : the Saints in heaven have felt of their tongues , for when they speake of Paul , Peter , Mary , &c. whom others iustly call saints : they in derision call them sir Peter , sir Paul , sir Mary . Reverend Martin . Alas poore reverend T. G. Be not afraid . Heere be none but friends man . I hope thou art a good fellow , and a true subiect , yea but I defend the Bishops of the church of England saith he ▪ then indeed I marvell not though thy conscience accuse thee , and thou art sure to be as well-favouredly , thwacked for thy labour , as ever thou wast in thy life . Thy conscience J say , must needs make thee feare in defending them . For they are petty Popes , and petty Antichrists as I have proved ; because they are Pastor of pastors , &c. thou hast not answered my reasons , and therefore swadled thou shalt bee for thy paines , and yet if thou wilt yeeld I will spare thee . Thou canst not be a good and sound subiect and defend the hierarchy of Lord Bishops to bee lawfull , as I will shew anone . Concerning Sir Paul , I have him not all in my writings . And therefore the reader must know , that there is a Canterbury tricke once to patch up an accusation with a lye or two . Sir Peter was the oversight of the Printer , who omitted this Marginall note , viz. He was not Saint Peter which had a lawfull superiour authority over the vniversall body of the Church . And therefore the Priest wherof Deane Iohu speaketh was sir Peter , And good reverend T. C. I pray thee tell me , what kin was Saint Mary Oueries , to Mary the Virgin . In my booke learning , the one was some Popish Trull , and the other the blessed Virgin . But will you have all those , who are Saints indeed , called Saints ? Why then why doe you not call saint Abraham , saint Sara , saint Ieremie . If Iohn of Canterbury should marry , tell me good T. C. dost thou not thinke that he would not make choice of a godly woman . I hope a would , and T. C. though you are learned , yet you goe beyond your books if you said the contrary , being a godly woman , then shee were a Saint , and so by your rule , her name being Mary , you would have her called Saint Mary Canterbury . But I promise thee ; did his grace what he could , I would call her sir Mary Canterbury as long as he professed himselfe to be a Priest , and this I might doe lawfully . For he being sir Iohn , why should not his wife be sir Mary , and why not sir Mary Overies , as well as sir Mary Canterbury ? I hope Iohn of Canterbury whom I know , ( though I know no great good in him ) to be as honest a man as M. Overies was , whom I did not know . Neither is there any reason why you T. C. should hold M. Overies and his Mary , because they are within the Diocesse of Winchester to bee more honest then M. Canterbury and his wife . Nay there is more reasons , why M. Canterburie and his wife dwelling at Lambehith , should be thought the honester of the two , then Overies and his wife , because they dwell O the bankes side . But good Tom tubtrimmer , tell me what you meane by the chiefe of the Clergie in the Church of England ? Iohn Canterburie I am sure Why good T. C. this speech is either blasphemous , or traitorous , or by your owne confession an evident proofe , that Iohn of Canterburie is Lord over his brethren . He that is chiefe of the clergie , is chiefe of Gods heritage , and that is Iesus Christ onely , and so to make the Pope of Canterbury chiefe of Gods heritage , in this sense is blasphemous , if you meane by clergie , as Deane Iohn doth page 443 of his booke , both the people and Ministers of the Church of England , in this sense his Majestie is chiefe of the clergie in the Church of England , and so your speech is trait●…rous . Lastly , if by clergie you mean the ministers of the Church of England ; none in this sense can be chiefe of the Clergie , but a petty Pope . For our Saviour Christ flatly forbiddeth any to be chiefe of the clergie in this sense , Luke 22. 26. And none ever claimed this vnto himselfe but a petty Pope . Therefore T. C. you are either by your own speech a blasphemer or a traitor , or else Iohn of Cant. is a petty Pope . Here is good spooneme●…t for a Cooper . Take heed of writing against Martin , if you love your ease . Reverend T. C. page 2. Epistle . But I feare them not , while I goe about to maintaine the dignity of Priests . Reverend Martin . Well fare a good heart yet , stand to thy tackling , and get the high commission to send abroad the Pursivants , and I warrant thee thou wile doe something ; Alas good Priests , that their dignity is like to fall to the ground , it is pitty they should be so , they are such notable Pulpit men . There is a neighbour of ours , an honest Priest , who was sometimes ( simple as he now stands ) a vice in a play for want of a better , his name is Gliberie of Hawstead in Essex , hee goes much to the Pulpit . On a time I thinke it was the last May , he went vp with a full resolution , to doe his businesse with great commendations . But see the fortune of it ; A boy in the Church , hearing either the Summer Lord with his May game , or Robin Hood with his Morice daunce going by the Church , out goees the boye . Good Glibery , though he were in the pulpit , yet had a mind to his old companions abroad ( a company of merry grigs you must thinke them to be , as merry as a vice on a stage ) seeing the boy going out , finished his matter presently with Iohn of Londons Amen , saying ha , ye faith boy , are they there , then ha with thee , and so came downe and among them he goes . Were it not then pitty , that the dignity of such a Priest should decay . And I would gentle T. C. that you would take the paines to write a treatise against the boy with the red cap , which put this Glibery out of his matter at another time . For Glibery being in the pulpit so fastened his eyes vpon a boy with a red ●…ap , that he was cleane dasht out of countenance , in somuch that no note could be hard from him at that , time , but this : Take away red cap there , take away red cap there : it had beene better that he had never beene borne , he hath marred such a Sermon this day , as it is wonderfull to think●… The King and the Counsell might well have heard it for a good Sermon , and so came down . An admonition to the people of England , to take heed of boyes with red caps , which make them set light by the dignity of there Priests , would doe good in this time , brother T. C. you know well . Reverend T. C , The cause why we are so spighted , is because we doe endeavour to maintain the lawes which his Majestie and the whole state of the Realme have allowed , and doe not admit a new platforme of government , devised I know not by whom . Reverend Martin . Why T. C. say Eulojin for Eulogein as often as you will , and I will never spight you , or the Bishop of Winchoster eyther for the matter . But doe you thinke our Church government , to be good and lawfull , because his Maiestie and the 〈◊〉 , who maintain the reformed religion alloweth the 〈◊〉 ? Why the Lord doth not allow it , therfore it cannot be lawfull . And it is the Fault of such wretches as you Bishops are , that his Maiestie and the state alloweth the same . For you should have otherwise instructed them , they know you not yet so thorowly as I doe . So that if I can prove , that that the Lord disliketh our Church government , your endeavours to maintaine the same , shew that thereby you cannot chuse , but bee traytors to God and his word , whatsoever you are to his Maiestie and the State . Now T , C. looke to your selfe for I will presently make all the hoopes of your Bishopricks fly assunder Therefore Our Church government , is an vnlawfull Church government , and not allowed in the sight of God . Because That Church government is an vnlawfull Church government , the Offices and Officers whereof , the civill magistrate may lawfully abolish out of the Church , marke my craft in reasoning brother T. C. I say the Offices and Officers ; for I grant that the Magistrate may thrust the Officers of a lawfull Church governmēt out of the Church if they be Diotrepheses , Mar●…elmes , Whitgifts , Simon Magustes , Coopers , Pernes , Renoldes , or auy such like Iudases , ( though the most of these must be packing Offices and all ) but their Offices must stand , that the same may be supplyed by honester men . But the Offices of Archbishops and Bishops , and therefore the Officers much more , may be lawfully abolished out of the Church by his Maiestie and our state . And truely this were brave weather to turne them out : it is pitty to keep them in any longer . And that would do me good at the hart , to see Iohn of London , and the rest of his brethren so discharged of his businesse , as hee might freely run in his cassocke and hose after his bowle , or florish with his two hand sword , O t is a sweet trunch f●…ddle . But the Offices of Archbishops and Bishops , may be lawfully abolished out of the Church by his Maiestie , and the state , as I hope one day they shall be ; Therefore ( marke now T. C. and cary me this conclusion to Iohn of Lambehith for his breakefast ) our Church government . by Arohb . & Bishop●… , is an vnlawfull church governmēt ▪ You see brother Cooper , that I am very courteous in my minor , for J desire therein no more Offices to bee thrust out of the Church at one time , but Archbs. and Bishops , as for Deanes Archdeacons , and Chancellors , I hope they will be so kind vnto my Lords grace , as not to stay , if his worship and the rest of the noble clergie Lords were turned out to grasse ; I will presently prove both maior and minor of this syllogisme . And hold my cloake there some body , that I may goe roundly to worke , for I le so bu●…eg the Cooper as it had beene better to have hooped halfe the tubs in Winchester , then write against my worships pistles . No civill Magistrate may lawfully either maime or deforme the body of Christ , which is the Church , but whosoever doth abolish any lawfull Church Officer , out of the church government , he doth either maime or deforme the Church : Therefore T. C. no civill Magistrate , no Prince , no state , may without sinne abolish any lawsull Officer , together . with his office , out of the government of the Church , and p●… consequens , the Offices of Archbishops and Lordbishops , which his Maiestie may without sinne lawfully abolish out of the Church , are no lawfull Church Officers , and therefore also , the Church government practised by Iohn Whitgift , Iohn Mar-●…lme , Richard Peterborow , William of Lincolne , Edmond of Worcester , yea and by that olde stealecounter masse priest , Iohn of Glocester with the rest of his brethren , is to be presently thrust out of the Church ▪ And me thinkes this geare cottons indeed my masters . And I tould you T. C. that you should be thumped for defending Bishops . Take heed of me while you live . The minor of my last syllogisme , that whosoever doth abolish the Office of any lawfull Church Officer out of the church , he either maimeth or deformeth the church , I can prove with a wet finger . Because every lawfull Church Officer , even by reason of his Office , is a member of the body of Christ Iesus , which is the church , and being a member of the body , if the Magistrate doth displace him by abolishing his Office , and leaveth the place thereof voide , then the Magistrate maimeth the body , if hee put another Office vnto an Officer in stead thereof , he deformeth the same . Because the Magistrate hath neither the skill nor the commission , to make the members of the body of Christ . Because hee cannot tell to what vse , the members of his making may serve in the Church . Doe you thinke T. C. that the Magistrate may make an eye for the visible body of the Church ? ( For you must vnderstand , that we all this while speake of the visisible body ) can he make a foot or a hand for that body ? I pray you in what place of the body would you have them placed ? If our Saviour Christ hath left behind him a perfect body : surely he hath left therein no place , or no vse for members of the Magistrates making and invention : if an vnperfect and maimed body . I am well assured that the magistrate is not able to perfect that which he left vnfinished . But I hope T. C. that thou wilt not be so mad , and wicked , as to say , that our Saviour Christ , left behind him heere on earth an vnperfect and maimed body . If not , then where shall these offices , namely these members invented by the Magistrate be placed therein . ? Would you have the naturall eyes put out ( as your brethren the bishops have done in the church of England , euer since Iohn of Canterbury vrged his wretched subscription ) and vnnaturall squint gogled eyes put in their stead : when the body cannot see with any eyes , but with the naturall eyes thereof , displace them howsoever you may seeme to helpe the matter , by putting others in their stead , yet the body shall be still blind and maimed . What say you T. C. may the Magistrate cut off the true and naturall legges , and hands of the body of Christ , under a pretence to put woodden in their stead ? I hope you will not say that he may . How then commeth it to passe T. C. that you hold Iohn of Canterbury his office , and Iohn Mar●…elmes to be true and naturall members of the body , that is true officers of the Church , and yet hold it lawfull for his Majesty to displace them out of the church . J cannot tell brother what you hold in this point . Me think J have disturbed your sences . Doe you thinke that the magistrate may displace the true members of the body of Christ , and place woodden in their stead . Why this is to hold it lawfull for the Magistrate to massacre the body . Doe you thinke he may not ? Then may not his Maiesty displace Iohn of Canterburies office out of our church : if hee may not displace his office , then either he by vertue of his office , is a lawfull Pope aboue all civill magistrates , or else the Church government is so prescribed in the word , as it is not lawfull for the magistrate to alter the same . But Iohn of Canterbury , as the Puritans themselves confesse , is no Pope . Then either the church government is so prescribed in the word as it may not be altred , or else the maiestrate may abolish a lawfull church government , and place another in stead thereof . If the Church government be so prescribed in the word , as it cannot be altered then either our government is the same . which was therein prescribed , or our Church government is a false Church government . If ours be the same which is mentioned in the word : Then Paul and Peter were either no true Church governours , or else Paul and Peter , and the rest of Church governours in their time were Lords , for all our Church governours are Lords . But Paul and Peter , &c. were no Lords , and yet true church governours . Therefore our church government is not that which is prescribed in the word , and therefore a false and vnlawfull church government . If you thinke that the Magistrate may displace the lawfull Offices of the body , then as I said before , you hold it lawfull for the Magistrate to maime or deforme the body . Because what soever hee putteth in the roome of the true and right members , must needs be a deformitie , and what place soever he leaveth vnfurnished of a member , must needes bee a maime . And this is the onely and sole office of Christ onely , to place and displace the members of his body : to wit , the Officers of his Church , he may lawfully doe it , so cannot man . And therefore the sots ( of which number you T. C. and you Iohn Whitgift , and you Deane Iohn , and you D , Coosins , and you D. Copcot with the rest of the ignorant and wretched defenders of our corrupt Church government are to be accounted ) which thinke that the Offices of Pastors , Doctors , Elders and Deacons , or the most of them , may be aswell now wanting in the Church , as the Offices of Apostles , Prophets and Evangelists : doe notably bewray their vile ignorance , but the cause they doe not hurt . For the beasts doe not consider that the Offices of Apostles , Evangelists and Prophets , were removed out of the church , not by man , but by the Lord , because he in his wisdome did not see any vse of such members in his body , after the time of the first planting of the Church . I say they were removed by the Lord himselfe and not by man : because , partly the gifts wherewith they were endued , partly the largenesse of their commission , with certaine other essentiall properties to them belonging , were by him abrogated and taken away , which no man could doe , againe , the Apostolicall , Evangelicall and Propheticall callings , were either lawfully or vnlawfully abolished out of the Church , if lawfully , then they were abolished by the Lord : and therfore they are neither to be called backe vntill he sheweth it to be his pleasure that it should be so , neither can the church be truly said to be maimed for want of them : because he which could best tell , what members were fit for his Church did abolish them . If vnlawfully , then those callings may bee lawfully called backe againe into the Church , and the Church without them is maimed , that is , wanteth some members . For if their callings were injuriously abrogated , they are as iniuriously kept out of the Church , and being members of the church , the church is maimed without thē , vnlesse the Lord hath shewed , that the time of their service in the body is expired . But they are not injuriously kept out ( for so his Maiestie should be said to injury the Church , vnlesse hee would see Apostles , prophets and Evangelists planted therein ) neither can the church be said to bee maimed for want of them , because the Lord by taking them away hath declared , that now there can be no vse of them in the body ; therefore the Lord abrogated them . Therefore also they may be wanting , and the Church neither maimed nor deformed thereby . Whereas the keeping out of either of the former offices of Pastors , Doctors , elders and Deacons , is a maiming of the Church , the placing of others in their stead , a deforming . Now reverend T. C. I beseech you entreat mistresse Cooper , to write to M , D. Day , sometimes of Magdalins , that he may procure D. Cooper , to know of him that was the last Thomas of Lincolne , whether the now B ▪ of Winchester be not perswaded , that Reverend Martin hath sufficiently proved it to be vnlawfull , for the civill Magistrate , to abolish any lawfull church Officer out of the church . Because it is vnlawfull for him to maime or deforme the body of Christ , by displacing the members thereof . But it may be , your Coopers noddle , profane T. C. doubteth , ( for I know you to be as ignorant in these points , as Iohn Whitgift , or De●…ne Iohn their selves . ) Whether a lawfull Church officer in regard of his office , be a member of the body of Christ , which is the church . Therefore looke Rom. 12. Uerse 4 , 5. &c. and there you shall see , that whosoever hath an office in the body , is a member of the body . There also you shall see , that he that teacheth , which is the Do & or , he y● exhorteth , which is the Pastour , he that ruleth which is the Elder , hee that distributeth , which is the Deacon ( as for him that sheweth mercy that is there spoken off , hee is but a church servant , and no church officer ) There I say , you shall also see , that these 4 Offices , of Pa●…tours , Doctors , Elders , and Deacons are members of the body : and 1 Cor. 12 , 8 , & 28 , you shall see that God hath ordained them : Out of all which hitherto I have spoken T. C. I come vpon you , & your Bishoprickes with 4 or 5 ( yea halfe a dozen and need bee ) such dry soopes , as Iohn of London with his two hand sword never gave the like . For they answere your whole profane booke . First , that the platforme of government , by Pastours , Doctors , Elders , and Deacons , which you say was devised you know not by whom , is the invention of our Saviour Christ . For God ordained them saith the Ap●…stle , 1 Cor. 12 , 8 , 28 , And therefore vnlesse yo●… will shew yourselfe , either to ●…e a blaspemer , by terming Iesus Christ to be you cannot tell whom , or else to be ignorant who is Iesus Christ : you must needs acknowledge the platforme of government , which you say , was invented by you know not whom , to have Christ Jesus for the author thereof , Secondly , that the word of God teacheth , that of necessity , the government by Pastours , Doctors , Elders , &c. ought to be in every Church , which is neither maimed ●…or deformed . Because that church must needs be maimed which wanteth those members , which the Lord hath appointed to be therein ; vnlesse the Lord himselfe hath , by taking those members away , shewed that now his body is to have no vse of them ; But as hath beene sayd , God hath ordained Pastors , Doctors , Elders and Deacons to be in his Church , proved out of Rom. 12 , 6 , 7 , 8. 1 Cor. 12. 8 , 28. Ephe. 4 , 12. And he hath not taken these officers away out of his church , because the church hath continuall need of them : As of Pastors to feed with the word of Wisedome : Of the Doctors to feed with the Word of knowledge , and both to build vp his body in the vnitie of faith , of Elders , to watch and oversee mens manners , of Deacons , to looke vnto the poore and church treasurie . Therefore , where these 4. Officers are wanting , there the Church is imperfect in his Regiment . Thirdly , that this government cannot be inconvenient for any State or Kingdome ; For is it inconvenient for a State or Kingdome , to have the body of Christ perfect therein ? Fourthly , that every Christian Magistrate is bound to receive this government , by Pastors , Doctors , Elders , and Deacons in the Church , within his dominions , whatsoever inconvenience may be likely to follow the receiving of it . Because no likelihood of inconvenience ought to induce the Magistrate willingly to permit the church vnder his government , to be maimed or deformed ? Fifthly , that the government of the church by Lord Archbishops and Bishops , is a government of deformed and vnshapen members , serving for no good vse in the church of God . Because it is not the government by Pastors , Doctors , Elders and Deacons , which as I have shewed are now the onely true members , that is , the onely true Officers of the visible body . Sixtly and lastly . That they who defend this false and bastardly government of Archbishops and Bishops , and withstand this true & naturall government of the church , by Pastors , Doctors , Elders and Deacons are likely in a while to become Mar-prince , Mar-state , Mar-law , Mar-Magistrate , Mar-common wealth . As for Mar-church , and Mar-religion , they have long since proved themselves to bee . These sixe points doe necessarily follow ; of that which before I have set downe , namely that it is not lawfull for any to abolish or alter the true and lawfull government of the church . Because it is not lawfull for them to maime or deforme the body of the church . And I chalenge you T. C. and you Deane Iohn , and you Iohn Whitgift , and you D. Coosins , and you D. Cop●…ot , and all the rest that will or dare defend our established Church government , to be tryed with me in a Judgement of life and death , at any barre in England in this point . Namely , That you must needs be , not onely traytors to God and his word , but also enemies unto his Maiestie and the land , in defending the established church government to be lawfull . You see the accusation which I lay to your charge , and here followeth the proofe of it . They who defend that the Prince and state , may bid God to battell against them , they are not onely traitors against God and his word , but also enemies to the Prince and state . I thinke Iohn of Glocester himselfe , will not be so senceles●…e as to deny this . But our Archbishops and Bishops , which hold it lawfull for his Majestie and the state , to retaine this established for me of government , and to keepe out the government by Pastors , Doctors , Elders and Deacons , which was appointed by Christ , whom you profane T. C. call you know not whom , hold it lawfull for his Maiestie and the state to bid God to battell against them . Because they bid the Lord to battell against them which maime and deforme the body of Christ , viz. the church . And they as was declared , maime & deforme the body of the church , which keep out the lawfull offices , apointed by the Lord to be members therof , and in their steed , place other woodden members of the invetnion of man . Therefore you T. C. & you Deane Iohn , and you Iohn Whitgift , and you the rest of the beastly defendors of the corrupt church government are not onely trayters to God and his word , but enemies to her Maiesty and the state . Like you any of these Nu●…I●…hn Canterbury ? I am not disposed to jest in this serious ma●…ter . I am called Martin Mar-prelat . There be many that greatly dislike of my doings , I may have my wants I know : For I am a man : Bot my course I know to be ordinary and lawfull . I saw the cause of Christs government , and of the Bishops Antichristian to be hidden . The most part of men could not be gotten to read any thing , written in the defence of the one , and against the other , I bethought me therefore of a way whereby men might be drawne to doe both , perceiving the humours of men in these times ( especially of those that are in any place ) to be given to mirth , I tooke that course , I might lawfully doe it , I , For jesting is lawfull by circumstances , even in the greatest matters . The circumstances of time , place and persons vrged me therevnto , I never profaned the word in any jest . Other mirth I vsed as a covert , wherein I would bring the truth into light , the Lord being the Author both of mirth and gravity . Is it not lawfull in it selfe , for the truth to vse either of these wayes , when the circumstances doe make it lawfull ? My purpose was and is to doe good , I know I have done no harme , howsoever some may iudge Martin to mar all . They are very weake ones that so think . In that which I have written J know vudoubtedly that I have done the Lord and the state of this Kingdome great service . Because I have in some sort , discovered the greatest enemies thereof . And by so much the most pestil●…nt enemies , because they wound Gods religion , and currupt the State with Atheism and loosenesse , & so call for Gods vengance vpon vs all , even vnder the colour of Religion . I affirme them to be the greatest enemies that now our state hath , for if it were not for them , the truth should have more free passage herein , then now it hath . All states thereby would be amended , and so we should not be subject vnto Gods displeasure , as now we are by reason of them . Now let me deale with these are in authority , I doe make it knowne vnto them , that our Bishops are the greatest enemies which we have . For they doe not onely goe about , but they have long since , fully perswaded our state , that they may lawfully procure the Lord , to take the Sword in hand against the state : if this be true , have J not said truly , that they are the greatest enemies which our state hath . The Papists worke no such effect , for they are not trusted . The Atheifts have not infected our whole state , these have . The attempts of our forraine enemies may be pernicious . But they are men as wee are , But that God , which when our Bishops have , and doe make our Prince , and our governours to wadge war , who is able to stand against him ? Well to the point , many have put his Maiestie , the Parliament and counsell in mind , that the church officers now among vs , are not such as the Lord alloweth off , because they are not of his owne ordaining . They have shewed that this fault is to be amended , or the Lords hand to be looked for . The Bishops on the other side , have cried out vpon them , that have thus dutifully moved the state . They with a loud voyce gave out , that the magistrate may lawfully maintaine that church government , which best fitteth our estate , as living in the time of peace , What doe they else herein , but say that the magistrate in time of peace , may maime and defor●…e the body of Christ his church . That Christ hath left the government of his own house vnperfect , and left the same to the discretion of the Magistrate , whereas Moses before whom in this point of government , the Lord Crhist is justly preferred , Hob. 3 , 6. made the government of the legall policy so perfect , as hee left not any part thereof to the discretion of the Magistrate . Can they deny church Officers , to bee members of the church , they are refused by the expresse text , 1 Cor. 12. will they affirme Christ to have left behind him an vnperfect body of his Church , wanting members at y● least wise , having such members as were onely permanent at the Magistrates pleasure . Why Moses the servant , otherwise governed the house in his time . And the sonne is commended in this point for Wisedome , and faithfulnesse before him , Heb. 3. 6. Either then , that commendation of the sonne before the servant , is a false testimony , or the sonne ordained a permanent government in his Church , If permanent not to be changed . What then , doe they that hold it may be changed at the Magistrates pleasure , but advise the Magistrate by his positive lawes , to proclaime that it is his will , that if there shall be a Church within his dominions , he will maime and deforme the same , hee will ordaine therein , what members he thinketh good . He will make it knowne that Christ vnder his government , shall be made lesse faithfull then Moses was : That he hath left the placing of members in his body vnto the Magistrate . Oh cursed beasts , that bring this guilt vpon our estate : Repent Caitifes while you have time , you shall not have it I feare when you will , And looke you that are in authority vnto the equity of the controversie , betweene our wicked Bishops , and those vho would have the disorders of our Church amended . Take heed you ●…e not carryed away with slanders . Christs government is neither Mar-prince , Mar-state , Mar-law , nor Mar-magistrate . The living God whose cause is pleaded for , will be reuenged of you , if you give eare vnto this slander , contrary to so many testimonies as are brought out of his word , to prove the contrary . He denounceth his wrath against all you , that thinke it lawfull for you , to maime or deform his church , he accounteth his Church maimed , when those Offices are therein placed , which hee hath not appointed to bee members thereof : he also testifieth that there be no members of this appointment in the Church , but such as hee himselfe hath named in his word , and those that he hath named , man must not displace , for so he should put the body out of joynt . Now our Bishops holding the contrary , and bearing you in hand , that you may practize the contrary , doe they not drive you to provoke the Lord to anger against your owne soules ? And are they not your enemies , they hold the contrary J say , for they say that his Maiestie may alter this government now established , and thereby they shew either this government to be vnlawfull , or that the magistrate may presume to place those members in Gods Church , which the Lord never mentioned in his word . And I 〈◊〉 you marke how the case standeth betweene these wretches , & those whom they call puritans . 1 The puritans ( falsely so called ) shew it to be vnlaw full for the Magistrate , to goe about to make any members for the body of Christ . 2 They hold all officers of the Church , to be members of the body , Rom. 12 , 6. 1. Cor. 12. 8. 28. 3 And therfore they hold the altering , or the abolishing of the offices of church government , to be the altering 〈◊〉 abolishing of the members of the Church . 4 The altering and abolishing of which members , they hold to be vnlawfull , because it must needes be a maime vnto the body . 5 They hold Christ Iesus to have set downe as exact , and as vnchangeable a Church government , as eve●…Moses did Heb. 3. 6. These and such like are the points they hold , let their cause be tryed , and if they hold any other points in effect but these , let them be hanged every man of them . Now I demand , whether they that hold the contrary in these points , and cause the State to practize the contrary , be not outragious wicked men , and dangerous enemies of the state , it cannot be denyed but they are . Because the contrary practize of any the former points , is a way to worke the ruine of the state . Now our Bishops hold the contrary vnto them all , save the 3. and 2. points , wherevnto it may be they will yeeld , and cause our estate to practize the cōtrary , whence at the length , our destruction is like to proceed ▪ For 1 They deny Christ Iesus to have set downe as exact , and as vnchangeable a forme of Church government as Moses did . For they say , that the Magistrate may change the church government established by Christ , so could he not doe that , prescribed by Moses . 2 In holding all offices of the church to be members of the body , ( for if they be not members , what should they do in the body ) they hold it lawfull for y● Magistrate to attempt the making of new members for that body . 3 The altering or abolishing of these members by the Magistrates they hold to be lawfull , And therefore the maiming or deforming . Now you wretches ( Archb. and L. Bishops I meane ) you Mar-state , Mar-law , Mar-Prince , Mar-magistrate , Mar-commonwealth , Mar-church , and Mar-religion , Are you able for your lives , to answere any part of the former Syllogisme , whereby you are concluded , to be the greatest enemies unto his Majesty and the State ? You dare not attempt it I know . For you cannot deny , but they who hold it and defend it lawfull ( yea enforce the Magistrate ) to maime or deforme the body of Christ , are vtter enemies vnto that Magistrate , and that state , wherein this order is practized . You cannot deny your selves to doe this , vnto our Magistrate and State : because you beare them in hand , that a lawfull Church government may consist of those offices , which the magistrate may abolish out of the Church without sinne , and so , that the Magistrate may lawfully cut off the members of Christ from his body , and so may lawfully massacre the body . You are then the men by whom our estate is most likely to be overthrowne , you are those that shall answer for our blood which the Spaniard , or any other enemies are like to spill , without the Lords great mercy : you are the persecutors of your brethren , ( if you may bee accounted brethren ) you and your hirelings are not onely the wound , but the very Plague and pestilence of our Church . You are those who maime , deforme , vex , persecute , grieve , and wound the Church . Which keep the same in captivity and darkenesse , defend the blind leaders of the blind , ●…lander , revile and deforme Christs holy government , that such broken and woodden members as you are , may bee still maintained , to have the roomes of the true and naturall members of the body . Tell me I pray , whether the true and naturall members of the body may be lawfully cut off by the Magistrate . If you should say they may , I know no man would abide the speech . What ? May the Magistrate cut off the true and naturall members , of the body of Christ ? Oh impudency not to be tolerated . But our magistrate , that is his Maiesty and our state , may lawfully by your owne confession cut you off , that is , displace you and your Offices out of our church , Deny this if you dare . Then indeed it shall appeare , that Iohn of Canterbury meaneth to be a Pope indeed , and to have the soveraignty over the civill Magistrate . Then will you shew your selfe indeed , to be Mar-prince , Mar-law , and Mar-state : Now if the Magistrate may displace you as he may , then you are not the true members . Then you are ( as indeed you ought ) to be thrust out , unlesse the Magistrate would incurre the wrath of GOD , for maiming and deforming the body of the Church , by joyning unnaturall members thereunto . Answer but this reason of mine , and then hang those that seeke reformation , if ever againe they speake of it , if you doe not , I will give you little quiet . I feare you not . If the Magistrate will be so overseene as to beleeve , that because you which are the maime of the church are spoken against , therefore they , namely our Prince and state , which are Gods Lieutenants , shall be in like sort dealt with , this credulity will be the Magistrates sinne . But I know their wisedome to be such as they will not . For what reason is this , which you profane T. C. have used . page 103. The sinfull , the unlawfull , the broken , unnaturall , false and bastardly governours of the church , to wit , Archb. & Bishops , which abuse euen their false Offices , are spoken against , Therefore the true , naturall and lawfull , and just governours of the Common wealth , shall bee likewise shortly misliked . Ah senslesse and undutifull beasts , that dare compare your selves with our true Magistrates , which are the ordinances of God , with your selves , that is , with Archbishops and Bishops , which as you your selves confesse ( I will by and by prove this ) are the ordinances of the Divell . J know I am disliked of many which are your enemies , that is of many which you call Puritans . It is their weaknesse , J am threatned to be hanged by you . What though I were hanged , doe you thinke the cause shall be the better . For the day that you hang Martin , assure your selves , there will 20 Martins spring in my place . I meane not now you grosse Beasts , of any commotion as profane T. C. like a senslesse wretch , not able to understand an English phrase , hath given out upon that which he calleth the threatning of fistes . Assure your selves , I will prove Marprelat ere I have done with you . I am alone . No man under Heaven is privy , or hath bin privie unto my writings against you , J used the advice of none therein . You have and do suspect divers , as Master Pagget , Master Wiggington , Master Vdall , and Master Penri , &c. to make Martin . If they cannot cleare their selves their sillinesse is pittifull , and they are worthy to beare Martins punishment . Well once againe answer my reasons , both of your Antichristian places in my first Epistle unto you , and these now used against you . Otherwise the wisedome of the Magistrate must needes smell what you are : And call you to a reckoning , for deceiving them so long , making them to suffer the Church of Christ under their government to be maimed and deformed . Your reasons for the defence of your Hierarchie , and the keeping out of Christs government , used by this profane T. C , are already answered . They shew what profane Beasts you are . I will heere repeate them . But heere first the Reader is to know what answere this T. C. maketh unto the syllogismes , whereby I prove all L. Bishops to bee petty Popes and petty Antichrists . I assure you no other then this , he flatly denyeth the conclusion , wheras he might ( ●…f he had any learning in him , or had read any thing ) know that every Dunsticall Logician , giveth this for an inviolable precept , that the conclusion is not to be denied . For that must needs be true , if the Major and minor be true , he in omitting the Major and minor , because he was not able to answer thereby , granteth the conclusion to be true : His answer unto the conclusion is , that all Lord B. were not petty Popes ▪ Because page 74 Cranmer , Ridley , Hooper , were not petty Popes : They were not petty Popes , because they were not Reprobates . As though you block you , every petty Pope and petty Antichrist were a reprobate . Why no man can deny Gregory the great , to be a petty Pope , and a petty Antichrist , For he was the next immediate Pope before Boniface the first , that knowne Antichrist : and yet this Gregory left behind him vndoubted testimonies of a chosen child of God , so might they , and yet be petty Popes in respect of their Office : Profane T. C. his first and second reason , for the lawfulnesse of our church government : And what though good men gave their consent vnto our Church government , or writing vnto Bishops , gave them their Lordly titles ? Are their offices therefore lawfull ? Then so is the Popes office : For Erasmu●… was a good man you cannot deny , and yet he both allowed of the Popes office since his calling , and writing vnto him gave him his titles : So did Luther since his calling also , for hee dedicated his booke of Christian liberty vnto Pope Leo the tenth . The book & his Epistle vnto the Pope are both in English . Heere I would wish the Magistrate to marke what good reasons you are able to afford for your Hierarchie . Thirdly , saith profane T. C , page 75. All Churches have not the governmene of Pastors and Doctors : but Saxonie and Denmarck , have L. Bishops . You are a great State man vndoubtedly T. C. that vnderstand the State of other Churches so well ▪ But herein the impudency of a proud foole appeareth egregiously . As though the testimony of a silly Schoolemaster , being also as vnlearned as a man of that trade and profession can bee , with any honesty , would be beleeved against knowne experience . Yea , but Saxonie and Denmarc●… have Superintendents , what then ? ergo L. Archb. and Bishops . I deny it . Though other Churches had L. Archb. and Bb●… this proueth nothing else , but that other Churches are maimed and have their imperfectious , Your reason is this , other good Churches are deformed , therefore ours must needes bee so too . The Kings sonne is lame , therefore the children of no subjects must goe vpright . And these be all the good reasons which you can bring for the government of Archb. and Bishops , against the government of Christ . You reason thus . It must not be admitted into this Kingdome , because then Civilians shall not be able to live in that estimatron and wealth , wherein they now do , Carnall and senslesse Beasts , who are not ashamed to preferre the outward estate of men before the glory of Christs Kingdome . Here againe , let the Magistrate and other Readers consider , whether it be not time , that such brutish men should be looked unto . Which reason thus : The body of Christ which is the Church , must needes bee maimed and deformed in this Commonwealth , because otherwise Civilians should not be able to live . Why you enemies to the state , you Traytors to GOD and his Word , you Mar-prince , Mar-law , Mar-magistrate , Mar-Church , and Mar-common wealth : doe you not know that the World should rather go a begging , then that the glory of God by mayming his Church should be defaced ? Who can abide this indignity . The Prince and state must procure God to wrath against them , by continuing the deformity of his church , and it may not be otherwise , because the Civilians else must fall to decay . I will tell you what , you monstrous and ungodly Bishops , though I had no feare of God before mine eyes , and had no hope of a better life , yet the love that I owe as a Naturall man unto his Majesty , and the state would inforce me to write against you : his Majesty and this Kingdome ( whom the Lord blesse with his mighty hand , I unfamedly beseech ) must endanger them selves under the perill of Gods heav●…e wrath , rather then the maime of our Church government must be healed for we had rather it should be so , say our Bishops , then wee should be thrust out , for if we should be thrust out , the study of the civill Law , must needs goe to wracke Well , if I have lived sometimes a Citizen , in that old and ancient ( though Heathenish ) Rome , and had heard King Dojotarus , Caesar , yea or Pompey himselfe give out this speech , namely , that the City and Empire of Rome must needes be brought subject unto some danger , because otherwise , Catolin , Lentulus , Cethegus , with other of the Nobility could not tell how to live , but must needs goe a begging , I would surely , in the love I ought to the safety of that , state , have called him that had vsed such a speech , in judicium capitis , whosoever he had beene : and I would not have doubted to have given him the overthrow . And shal I being a christian English Subject , abide to heare a wicked crue of ungodly Bishops , with their hangones and parasites , affirme that our King and our state must needs be subject unto the greatest danger that may be viz. the wrath of God for deforming his Church , and that Gods Church must needes bee maimed and deformed among us , because otherwise , a few Civilians shall not be able to live . Shall I heare and see these things professed and published ; and in the love I owe unto Gods religion and his Majesty , say nothing ? I cannot , I will not , I may not bee silent at this speech : come what will come of it . The love of a Christian Church , Prince and State , shall I trust , worke more in me , then the love of a Heathen Empire and State should doe . Now judge good Reader , who is more tolerable in a Common-wealth , Martin that would have the enemies of his Majesty removed thence , or our Bishops which would have his life , and the whole Kingdomes prosperity hazarded , rather then a few Civilians should want maintenance . But I pray thee tell me T. C ; why should the government of Christ impoverish Civilians ? Because ( saith he ) page 77. the Canon law by which they live , must be altered , if that were admitted . Yea but Civilians live by the Court of Amralty , and other courts as well as by the Arches , viz. Also the Probats of Testaments , the controversies of Tythes , Matrimony , and many other causes , which you Bishops Mar-state , do usurpingly take from the Civill Magistrate , would be a meanes of Civilians maintenance . But are not you ashamed to professe your whole government , to be a government ruled by the Popes Canon Lawes , which are banished by statute out of this Kingdome ? This notably sheweth that pou are Mar-prince and Mar-state . For how dare you retaine these Lawes , unlesse by vertue of them , you meane either to enforce the supremacy of the Prince to goe again to Rome , or to come to Lambeth . It is treason by statute , fot any subject in this Land to proceed Doctor of the Canon law , and dare you professe your Church government to bee ruled by that law . As though one statute might not referre all matters of the Canon law , unto the temporall and common law of this Realme : and is this all you can say T. C. 2 Yes saith he , the government of Christ would bring in the judiciall law of Moses . As much as is morall of that law , or of the equity of it would be brought in . And doe you again say it . But you sodden headed Asse you , the most part of that law is abrogated . Some part thereof is in force among us , as the punishment of a Murtherer by death , and presumptuous obstinate Theft by death , &c. 3. His Majesties prerogative in Ecclesiasticall causes , should not be a whit diminished ; but rather greatly strengthened by Christs government . And no law should be altered , but such as were contrary to the Law of God , and against the profit of the Common wealth : and therefore there can be no danger in altering these . 4 The Ministers maintenance by Tythe , no Puritane denyeth to be vnlawfull . For Martin ( good Mr. Parson you must understand ) doth account no Brownist to be a Puritane , nor yet a sottish Cooperist . 5. The inconvenience which you shew of the government which is , that men would not be ruled by it , is answered afore . And I pray you , why should not they be better obedient unto Gods Law , if the same also were established by the law of the Land , then to the Popes Law and his Canons . You thinke that all men are like your selves : that is like Bishops , such as cannot choose but break the Lawes and good orders of God and his Majesty . 7 The lawes of England have beene made , when there was never a Bishop in the Parliament , as in the first yeare of Qeen Eliz. And this reason as all thu rest , may serve to maintaine Popery , as well as the hierarchy of Bishops . 8 The government of the Church of Christ , is no popular government , but it is Monarchicall , in regard of our head Christ , Aristocraticall in the Eldership , and Democraticall in the people . Such is the civill government of our Kingdome : Monarchicall in his Majesties person : Aristocraticall in the higher house of Parliament , or rather at the Counsell Table : Democraticall in the body of the Commons of the Lower house of Parliament . Therefore profane T. C. this government seeketh no popularity to be brought into the Church , much lesse intendeth the alteration of the Civill state , that is but your slander , of vvhich you make an occupation , And I will surely pay you for it . I must be briefe now , but more worke for Cooper shall examine your standers . They are nothing else but proofes , that as , by your owne Confessions , you are Bishops of the Divell , so you are enemies unto the state . For by these slanders , you goe about to blind our State , that they may never see a perfect Regiment of the Church in our dayes . I say that by your owne Confession , you are Bishops of the Divell . I will prove it thus : You confesse that your Lordly government , were not lawfull and tolerable in this Common vvealth , if his Majesty and the state of the Land did disclaime the same . Tell me , doe you not confesse this , deny it if you dare . For will you say , that you ought lawfully to be here in our Common wealth , whither his Majesty and the Counsell will or no . Is this the thankes that his Majesty shall have , for tolerating you in his Kingdome all this while , that now you will say , that you and your places stand not in this Kingdome by his courtesie , but you have as good right vnto your places , as he hath vnto his Kingdome . And by this meanes your Offices stand not by his good liking , and the good liking of the state ▪ as doe the Offices of our Lord high Chancellor , high Treasurer , and high Steward of England . But your Offices ought to stand and to bee in force in spight of his Majesty , the Parliament , Counsell , and every man else , unlesse they would doe you injury . So that I know , J , you dare not deny but that your Offices were unlawfull in our Common-wealth , if his Majesty , the Parliament , and the Counsell would have them abolished . If you grant this , then you doe not hold your Offices as from God , but as from man . His Majesty hee holdeth his Office , and his Kingdome , as from GOD , and is beholding for the same ▪ unto no Prince not State under Heaven . Your case is otherwise , for you hold your Offices as from his Majesty , and not from God . For otherwise ▪ you needed not to bee any more beholding unto his Majesty for the same in regard of right , then hee is bound to bee beholding unto other states in regard of his right : and so you in regard of your Lordly superiority , are not the Bishops of God , but as Ierom saith , the Bishops of man . And this the most of you confesse to be true , and you see how dangerous it would be for you , to affirme the contrary , namely , that you hold your Offices as from God . Well Sir , if you say that you are the Bishops of man . Then tell mee whether you like of Deane Iohn his Booke . O yes , saith T. C. For his grace did peruse that book , & we know the sufficiency of it to bee such , as the Puritans are not able to answer it . Well then , whatsoever is in this booke is anthenticall . It is so , saith T. C. otherwise his grace would not have allowed it . What say you then to the 140 pag. of that booke , where he saith ( answering the ●…rertise of the Bishop of God , the Bi. of Man , and the Bishop of the Divell ) that there is no Bishop of man at all , but every Bishop must bee either the Bishop of GOD , or the Bishop of the Divell . He also affirmeth none to be the Bishop of God , but he which hath war●…ant , both inclusively and also expresly in Gods Word . Now you Bishops of the Divell , what say you now , are you spighted of the Puritans , because you like good subjects defend the Lawes of his Majesty , or else because like incarnate Divels you are Bishops of the Divels , as you your selves confesse . Here againe , let the Magistrate once more consider , what pestilent and dangerous Beasts these wretches are unto the civill state . For either by their owne confession they are the Bishops of the Divell ( and so by that meanes will bee the undoing of the state , if they bee continued therein ) or else their places ought to be in this Commonwealth whether his Majesty and our state will or no●… : because they are not ( as they say ) the Bishops of man , that is , they have not their superiority , and their Lordly callings over their brethren by humane constitution , as my Lord Chancellor , Treasurer , and other honourable personages have , but by divine ordinance , Yea , and their callings they hold ( as you have heard ) not onely to be inclusively , but also expresly in the word . What shift will they use to avoid this point ? Are they the Bishops of men , that is , hold they their jurisdiction as from men . No saith Deane Bridges , no saith Iohn of Canterbury and the rest of them ( for all of them allow this Booke of Iohn Bridges ) for then wee are the Bishops of the Divell , wee cannot avoid it . Are ●…hey then the Bishops of God , that is , have they such a calling as the Apostles , Evangelists , &c. had ; that is , such a calling as ought lawfully to be in a christian Commonwealth ( unlesse the Magistrate would injury the Church , yea maime , deforme , and make a Monster of the Church ) whither the Magistrate will or no . We have , say they , For our calling ▪ are not only inclusively , but also expressely in the word ▪ So that by Deane Bridges his confession , and the approbation of Iohn Canterbury , either our Bishops are Bishops of the Divell , or their callings cannot bee defended lawfull , without flat and plaine Treason , in overthrowing his Majesties supremacy . And so Deane Bridges hath written , and Iohn Whitgift hath approved and allowed flat Treason to be published . Is Martin to be blamed for finding out and discovering Traytors ? Is hee to be blamed for crying out against the Bishops of the Divel ? If he be , then indeed have J ▪ offended in-writing against Bishops . If not , whether is the better Subject Martin or our Bishops : whether I be favoured or no ▪ J will not cease , in the love I owe to his Majesty , to write against Traytors , to write against the Divels Bishops . Our Bishops are such by their owne confession . For they protest themselves to be the Bishops of the Divel If they should hold the pr●…heminency to be from man , If they hold it otherwise then from man , they are Traytors . And untill this Beast Doctor Bridges wrote this Booke , they never as yet durst presume to claime their Lordships any otherwise lawfull then from his Majesty , yea and D. Bridges about the 60. page saith thosame ▪ But they care not what contrariety they have in their writings , what Treason they hold , as long as they are perswaded that no man shall be tolerated to write against them . I have once already shewed Treason to be in this Booke of the Deane of Sarum , page 448. I shew the like now to be page 340. Because Deane Bridges durst not answer mee . They have turned unto me in his stead , a Beast whom by the length of his Eares , I gesse to bee his Brother , that is , an Asse of the same kind . But I will bee answered of the Deane himselfe in this and the former point of Treason , or else his Cloister shall smoake for it . And thus profane T. C. you perceive what a good subject you are , in defending the established government . Thus also I have answered all your Bookes in the matters of the lawfulnesse of the government by Pastors , Doctours , Elders , and Deacons , and the unlawfulnesse of our bastardly Church government , by Archbishops and Bishops ▪ where also the Reader may see , that if ever there was a Church rightly governed , that is a Church without maime or deformity , the same was governed by Pastours , Doctours , Elders and Deacons . Whau , whau , but where have I beene all this while ? Ten to one among some of these Puritans . Why Martin ? Why Martin , I say hast tow forgotten thy selfe ? Where hast ti beene , why man , cha bin a seeking for a Samons nest , and cha vound a whole crue ▪ either of Ecclesiasticall Traitors , or of the Bishops of the Divell , of broken and maimed members of the Church : never wink on me good fellow , for I will speake the truth , let the Puritans doe what they can . I say then that they are broken members , and I say Iohn of Canterbury , if he be a member of the Church , I say he is a broken member , and that Thomas of Winchester is a Choleri●…ke member . Yea , and cha vound that profane T. C is afraid lest his Majesty should give Bishops livings away from om. And therefore shutteth his booke with this position , viz. That it is not lawfull to bestow such livings upon Lay men , as are appointed by Gods law upon Ministers . But hereof more warke for Cooper shall learnedly dispute . Reverend T. C. Admonition page 1 , 2 , 3. Wee use the Ministers most vil●…ly now a dayes . God will punish us for it , as hee did those which abused his Prophets . Reverend Martin . Looke to it T. C. then . For out of thine own mouth shalt thou b●… judged , thou unrighteous servant . Our Bishops are they which abuse the Ministers . Our Bishops were never good Ministers as yet , and therefore they are not to be compared with the Prophets . Reverend T. C. page 4. Some men will say , that I doe great injury to the Prophets and Apostles , in comparing our Bishops unto them . But we may be happy if we may have tolerable Ministers in this pe●…ilous age . Reverend Martin . I hope T. C. that thou dost not mean to serve the Church with worse then we have : what worse then Iohn of Canterbury ? worse then Tom Tubtrimmer of Winchester ? worse then the Vick●…rs of Hell , Sir Ieff●…ry Iones , the parson of Micklain , &c. I pray thee rather then we should have a change from evill to worse , let us have the evill still But I care not if I abide the venture of the change . Therefore get Iohn with his Canterburinesse removed , &c. whom thou acknowledgest to be evill , and J doe not doubt , if worse come in their stead , but the Divell will soone fetch them away , and so wee shall bee quickly rid , both of evill and worse . But good T. C. is it possible to find worse then we have ? I do not marvell though thou callest me libeller , when thou darest abuse the Prophets farre worse , then in calling them libellers : for I tell thee true , thou couldst not have any way so stained their good names , as thou hast done in comparing them to our Bishops . Call me Libeller as often as thou wilt , I doe not greatly care , but and thou lovest me , never liken me to our Bishops of the Divell . For J cannot abide to be compared unto those , for by thine owne comparison in the 9. page , they are just Balaams up and downe . Reverend T. C. page 8 , 9 , 10. Though our Bishops be as evill as Iudas the false Apostles , and Balaam , yet because they have sometimes brought unto ●…s Gods message , wee must thinke no othetwise of them , then of Gods Messengers . For GOD will not suffer divellish and Antichristian persons to bee the chiefe restorers of his Gospell . Reverend Martin . First T. C. I have truly gathered thine argument , though thou namest neither Iudas nor the false Apostles . Prove it otherwise . Then hast thou reverend Martin proved thy selfe a lyar . Now secondly then seeing it is so , I pray thee good honest T. C. desire our Judasses ( who was also one of the first Apostles ) not to sell their Master for money , desire our false Apostles ( who preached no false doctrine for the most part ) not to insult over poore Paul ) and desire our good Balaams , not to follow the wages of unrighteousnesse . The counsell is good . For Iudas , though one of the first publishers of the Gospell ( so were not our Bishops in our time ) yet hung himselfe . The false Apostles had their reward , I doubt not . And Balaam as soon as ever the Israelites tooke him , was justly executed for his wickednesse . The forced blessing wherewith hee blessed them saved him not . Reverend T. C. page 10 , 11 , 12 , 13. May conjecturall speeches flye abroad of Bishops , as that they are covetous , give not to the poore , hinder reformation , Simoniacks , &c. but the chiefe Governours ought to take heed , that they give no credit to any such things . I trust never any of them committed Idolatry , as Aaron did . Reverend Martin . Yea , I beseech you that are in authority in any case , not to beleeve any truth against our Bishops . For these Puritans ( although the Bishops grant themselves to bee as evill as Balaam ) could never yet prove the good fathers , to have committed Idolatry as Aaron did . And as long as they be no worse then Balaam was , there is no reason why they should be disliked . You know this is a troublesome world , men cannot come unto any meere living without friendss And it is no reason why a man should trouble his friend and give him nothing , a hundred pounds and a gelding , is yet better then nothing . To bowle but seven dayes in a weeke , is a very tolerable , recreation . You must know that Iohn of London , hath sometimes preached ( as this profane T. C. hath given out to his no small commendations ) th●…ise in a yeare at Paules-crosse . A sore labour , it is reason that he should bestow the rest of the yeare , in maintaining his health by recreation , and providing for his family : give him leave but to keepe out the government of the Church , to sweare like a swag , to persecute , and to take some small ten in the hundred , and truely he will be loath ever to commit idolatry as Aharon did . I hope though Iudas sold his Master , yet that it cannot bee proved since his calling , that ever he committed Idolatry . Reverend T. C. page 16 , 17. Though Bishops should offend as Noah did in drunkennes , yet good children should cover their fathers falts . For naturall children , though they suffer injuries at their fathers hands , yet they take their griefes very mildly . Reverend Martin . Bishop West phaling . But what then ? Parson Gravat , parson of sir Iohn Pulchres in London ( one of dumb Iohns bousing Mates ) will be drunke but once a weeke , But what then ? good Children should take linkes in a cold morning , & light them at his nose , to see if by that meanes some part of the fire that hath so flashed his sweete face , might be taken away : this were their duty , saith T. C. and not to cry redde nose , redde nose . But T. C. what if a man should find him lying in the kenill , whether should hee take him up ( all to be mired like a Swine ) in the sight of the people , and carry him home on his backe , or fling a coverled on him , and let him there take his rest , untill his legges would be advised by him to carry him home . But me thinkes brother T. C. you defend the Bishops but evill favouredly in these points . For you doe , as though a Thiefe should say to a true man , I must needes have thy purse , thou must beare with mee , it is my nature , J must needes play the Thiefe . But yet thou dealest uncharitably with me , if thou blasest it abroad : for though I make an occupation of Theft , ye●… charity would cover it . So say you , though our Bishops make a Trade of persecuting and depriving Gods Ministers , though they make a Trade of continuing in Antichristian callings , yet charity would have their faltes covered , and have them mildly dealt with . As though T. C. there were no difference , betwixt those that fall by infirmity into some one sinne , not making it their Trade , and not defending the same to be lawfull , and our Bishops which continue in an Antichristian calling , and occupation , and defend they may doe so . But will they leave thinke you , if they be mildly and gently dealt with . Then good Iohn of Canterbury , J pray thee leave thy persecuting , good Iohn of Canterbury leave thy Popedome : good Father , Iohn of London , be no more a Bishop of the Divell : be no more a Traytor to God and his Word . And good sweet Boyes , all of you become honest men : maime & deforme the Church no longer : sweet fathers now make not a Trade of persecuting ; gentle fathers keep the people in ignorance no longer : good fathers now maintaine the dumbe Ministery no longer . Be the destruction of the Church no longer , good sweete Babes now leave your Nonresidency , and your other sinnes , sweete Popes now : and suffer the truth to have free passage . Lo T. C. now I have mildly dealt with the good Fathers . I will now expect a while , to see whether they will amend by faire meanes , if not let them not say , but they have bin warned . Reverend T. C. from the 20 to the 30. Though the Bishops be falty , yet they are not to be excused that find fault with them for sinister ends . And the Prince and Magistrates , is to take heed that by their suggestions , they be not brought to put downe L. Bishops , to take away their livings , and put them to their pensions . For the putting of them to their pensions , would discourage young students from the study of Divinity . Reverend Martin . I thought you were afraid to lose your livings , by the Cour●…er Martins meanes . But brethren feare it not . I would not haue any true Minister in the Land , want a sufficient living . But good soules . I commend you yet , that are not so b●…shfull , but you will shew your griefes . Is it the treading under foote of the glory of God , that you feare good men . No no say they , we could reasonably well beare that losse . But we dye if you diminish the allowance of our Kitchin . Let us be assured of that , and our Lordly callings , and we doe not greatly care , how other matters goe . I will when more worke is published , helpe those good young students unto a meanes to live , though they have none of your Bishopdomes , if they will be ruled by me . Reverend T. C. page 5. 36. They have beene within these few weekes 3 or 4 pamphlets bublished in Print , against Bishops . The Author of them calleth himselfe Martin , &c. R. Martin . But good Tom Tubtrimmer , if there have been 3 or 4 published , why doth Bishop Cooper name one onely , why doth he not confute all ▪ why doth he invent objections of his owne , seeing he had 3. bookes more to confute , or 2 at least then he hath touched , nay , why doth he confute one of them throughly , seeing therein his Bishopdome was reasonably caperclawed . I have onely published a Pistle , and a Pitomy ; wherein also I gra●…t that I did reasonably Pistle them . Therefore T. C. you begin with a lye , in that you say that I have published either 3. or 4. bookes . Reverend T. C. page 38. His grace never felt blow as yet , &c. What is he past feeling , wilt thou tell me that T. C. he sleepeth belike in the top of the roust . I would not be so well thwacked for the Popedome of Ca●…ter . as he hath borne poore man . He was never able to make good syllogisme since I am sure : He allowed D. Bridges his booke quoth T. C. I pray thee what got he by that , but a Testimony against himselfe , that either he hath allowed Treason , or confessed himselfe to be the Bishop of the Divell ▪ T. C. page 38. He that readeth his grace his answer , and M. Cartwrights reply , shall see which is the better learned of the two . So he shall indeed T. C. and he were very simple which could not discerne that ; And there is so much answered already as thou saist , that his grace dare answer no more for shame . And T. C. you your selves grant Thomas Cartwright to bee learned , so did I neuer thinke Iohn Whitgift to be , what comparison can you make betweene them ? But Thomas Cartwright , shall I say that thou madest this booke against me , because T. C. is set to it , well take heed of it , if J find it to be thy doing ▪ J will so besoop thee , as thon never bangedst Iohn Whitgift better in thy life . I see heere that they have quarrelled with thee Water Traverse , Iohn Penri , Thomas Sparke , Giles Wiggington , Master Davison , &c. Nay it is no matter , you are een well served , this will teach you I trow to become my Chaplaines , For if you were my Chaplaines once , I trow Iohn Whitgift , nor any of his , durst not once say blacke to your eyes , And if I had thy learning Thomas Cartwright , I would m●…ke them all to smoak . But though I were as very a●… A●…ehead as Iohn Cat●…rcap is , yet I could deale well enough with Clergie men : yea with old Wink●…n de word , D. Prime himselfe : And I le bepistle you D. Prime , when I am at more le●…sure , though indeed J tell you true , that as yet J do●… disdame to deale with a contemptible trencher Chaplaine , such as you D. Banckcroft , and Chaplain D●…port are . But I le be with you all three to bring one day , you shall never scape my fingers , if I take you but once in hand . You see how I have dealt with Deane Iohn , your entertainment shall be alike . But Thomas Cartwright , thou art T. C. so is Tom Cooper too . The distinction then betweene you both , shall be this ; he shall be profane T. C. because he calleth Christ Iesus , by whom the government by Pastors , Doctors , Elders , and Deacons was commanded to be he knowes not whom : and thou shalt bee simple T. C. Concerning Mistresse Lawson profane T. C. is it not lawfull for her to goe to Lambeth by water , to accompany a Preachers wife , going also ( as commonly godly matrons in London doe ) with her man : No saith T. C. I doe not like this in women : Tush man , Thomas Lawson is not Thomas Cooper , hee hath no such cause to doubt of Dame Lawsons going without her husband , as the Bishop of Winchester hath had of Dame Coopers gadding . But more worke for Cooper , will say more for Mistresse Lawson . From whomsoever Charde had his protection , his Face is glad of it , for otherwise he knoweth not how to get a Printer , for the established government , because the books will not sell . Touching the Premunire , let the Libeller and his , doe what he dare . Why brethren , what wisedome is this in you to dare your betters ? doe you not know that I can send you my mind by a Pistle , and then prove you to bee petty Popes , and Enemies to the State : And how can you mend your selves ? It is certaine you are in a premunire : If his Majesty will give me leave to have the Law , J will be bound to bring 10 000 pounds into his Coffers upon that bargaine . And therefore soolish men , dare your better●… no more . And heare I pray thee marke how I have made the Bishops to pull in their Hornes . For whereas in this place they had printed the word dare , they bethought themselves , that they had to deale with my worship , which am favoured at the Court , and being afraid of me , they pasted the word can vpon the word dare , and so where before they bad me and mine doe what we durst . now they bid vs doe what we can . hoping thereby to have a friend in a corner , who would not suffer us to doe what we ought and durst : and so our ability should not be according unto their demerit . Marke now the Bishops of the Divell , whither you be not afraid of mee : I will see you jolled with the premunire one day . The like thing you shall find in the 135 page . For there having said , that they will not deny the discipline to have beene in the Apostles time , they have now pasted there upon that , That is not yet proved . So that although their Consciences do tell them , that the discipline was then , yet they will beare the world in hand , that that is not yet proved . Here you see that if this patch T. C. had not used two patches to cover his patchery , the Bishops would have accounted him to be as very a patch as Deane Iohn . A , but these knave Puritans are more unmannerly before his grace , then the Recusants are , and therefore the Recusants have more favour . I cannot blame them ▪ for wee ought to have no Popes . The Papists like the Archiepisc●…pall Pall , and therefore reverenceth a petty Pope thsrein . And though the Recusant come not to hence the sermons , yet he is an informer very often , upon other mens information . His grace denyeth that ever he heard of any such matter , as that the Iesuit should say , he wouid become a brave Cardinall , if Popery should come againe . I know T. C. that long since he is past shame , and a notorious Lyer , otherwise how durst he deny this , seeing Cliffe an honest and a godly Cobler , dwelling at Battle bridge , did justifie this before his grace his teeth , yea and will justifie the same againe if he be called . So will Atkinson too : Send for them if he dare ; Ministers of the Gospell ought to bee called Priests , saith his grace , what say you oy that ? Then good sir Iohn O Cant. when wilt thou say Mas●…e at our house ? His grace is also perswaded , that there ought to be a Lordly spueriority among Ministers . So was Iudas perswaded to sell his Master ; if you would have these things proved , profane T. C. referreth you to his grace his answer unto simple T. C. and to Doctor Bridges ▪ That is , if you would learne any honesty , you must goe to the stewes , or if you would have a good favour , you must goe to the sincke for it . Why thou vnsavourly snu●…fe , dost tow thinke that men know not D. Bridges and Iohn Whitgift . Yea but his grace also firmely beleeveth , that Christ in soule descended into Hell . This is the third point of his Catholike pe●…swasion : but tell him from me , that he shall never bee saved by this beliefe , and my finger in his mouth . Let him tell what our Saviour Christ should doe , if hee did not harrow Hell . Where thou sayest Mr. ●…oung had onely the dealing with Thakwel the Popish Printer , without his graces privity , thou lyest in thy throat : M. Young himselfe brought him to his grace , who ordered the matter as it is set downe in my Pistle . But did not I say truly of thee , that thou canst cog , face and lye , as fast as a dog can trot , and that thou hast a right seasoned wainscoate face of ti nowne , chwarnt tee , ti vorehead zaze hard as horne . Concerning Waldegrave , it s no matter how you deale with him , heez a foolish fellow , to suffer you to spoyle his presse and letters , an a had bin my worships Printer , I de a kept him from your clouches . And yet it is pitty to belye the Divell : and therefore you shall not belye him and goe sco●…free . As for the presse that Waldegrave sold , hee did is by order , viz. He sold it to an allowed Printer , I. C. one his owne company , with the knowledge of his Warden , Henry Denham , &c. And call you this favour , in releasing him after long imprisonment ? But I will give you a president of great favour indeed , wherein you may see what an ungratefull fellow Waldegrave is to his grace , who hath bin so good unto him frō time to time . There being a controve●…e betweene another Printer and Waldegrave ( all matters of Printing being committed by the Lords of the Counsell to his grace ) Waldegrave made one of his Company his friend ( who could do much with his grace ) to deale for him , who brake the matter to his worship , being at Croydon in his Orchard ; so soone as the party named Waldegrave , he sweetely answered him , saying : if i●… had bin any of the company save him , he would have granted the suite , but in no case to Waldegrave . Well Waldegrave , obtained the K. H , Lord Treasurers Letter in his behalfe to his grace , who when he had read it , said , J will answer my Lord Treasurer , with that Waldegrave intreated for his favourable Letter to the Wardens of his Company , which in the end through D. Coosins hee obtained ( though late ) yet went home at night , thinking to deliver it in the Morning : but before he was ready , the Wardens were with him , and rested him with a Pursivant upon his graces Commandement , Waldegrave telling them there was a letter from his grace , which hee receiued late the last night at Croydon : who answered , they knew it well enough , but this is his pleasure now , so they carryed Waldegrave to prison , and in this his Grace was so good unto him , as to helpe him with an hundred marks over the shoulders . If this be your favour , God keepe mee from you , ka . M. Marprelate . Bishops have justly received according to their deserts , having found greater favour at my Worships hands then ever they deserved , being notorious , disobedient and godlesse persons , unthrifty spenders and consumers of the fruits , not of their owne labors , ( as you say Waldegrave was ) but of the possessions of the Church , persons that have violated their faith to God , his Church , his Majesty , and this whole Kingdome , and wittingly bring us all without the great mercy of God to our undoing , so that ou●… wives , children & servants have cause to curse all L. Bp. Lo T. C. you see that I have a good gift in imitation , and me thinkes I have brought your words into a marvailous good sence , where as before in the cause of Waldegrve , they were illfavouredly wrested : and as for his wife and children , they have just cause to curse Iohn of London and Iohn of Canterbury , for their tyrannizing over him : by imprisoning and spoiling his goods , and vexing his poore wife and children , with continuall rifeling his house with their Pursivants , who in November last , violently rusht into his house , breaking through the maine wall thereof after midnight , taking away his goods , for some of the Pursivants sold his bookes vp and downe the streets , to Watchmen and others . Ah you Antichristian Prelates , when will you make an end of defending your tyranny , by the bloud and rapine of her Majesties subjects ? You have bin the consumers of the fruits of Waldegraves labours : for have you not sent him so often to prison , that it seemed you made a common occupation thereof ? For assoone as any booke is printed in the defence of Christs holy Discipline , or for the detecting of your Antichristian dealings , but your ravening pursivants flye city and country to seeke for Waldegrave , as though he were bound by statute unto you , either to make known who printed seditious bookes against my L. Face , or to goe to prison himselfe , and threatned with the racke . And are you not ashamed to say , that he ever violated his Faith ? you know well enough , that he is neither Archb. nor L. B. The case thus stood , after he had remained a long time in Prison , not that time when Hartwell his graces secretary wisht that his grace might never eat bit of bread after hee released him , Nor at that time when you profane T. C. told him , that all Puricans had trayterous hearts . Nor at that time Waldegrave told her grace , that hee was worse then Bo●…er in regard of the time . Nor that time when hee was strangely released by one of the Lord of good Londons Swans . Neither was it at that time , when his grace ( good conscionable Noble man ) violated his promise , in that he told the Wardens of the Stationers , that if Waldegrave would come quietly to him , and cease printing of seditious bookes , he would pardon what was past , and the Wardens promised his wife , that if he were committed , they would lye at his graces gate till he were released , and for all this yet hee was committed to the white Lyon , where he lay 6 weeks , Nor it was not at that time , when his grace allowed Watson the Pursivant , to take of Waldegrave , 13●… . 4 pen●…c , f●…r carrying of him to the white Lyon , But it was that time when his grace kept him 20 weekes together in the white Lyon , for printing the complaint of the Comminalty , the practise of Prelates ▪ a learned mans judgment &c. Meanes being used for his liberty , his friend who was bound for him told him , his liberty was obtained in manner following . You must be bound faith he , in a 100 pounds , to print no more bookes hereafter , but such as shall be authorized by her Majesty or his grace or such as were before lawfully authorized : whereunto he answered that it was not possible for him to containe himselfe within the compasse of that bond , neither should his consent ever goe to the same ( the same will D , Coosins witnesse ( that maidenly Doctor , who sits cheeke by joll with you ) if he will speake a truth , which words Waldegrave uttered to him , going in the old Pallas at Westminster with his Keeper before hoe was released ) yet hee would gladly have his liberty if he might lawfully . For said he I being a poore workman to my company , cannot possibly observe it ▪ For many bookes heretofore printed , had cum privilegio , and yet were never authorized : and againe , that it were but a ●…olly for him to sue to her Majesty , the Office were very base and unsit for her . And he might be well assured that Caiphas of Cant. would never authorize any thing for his behoofe , and so it fell out . And thus Martin hath proved you in this , as in all other things , to bee lyars . And what is it that you Bp. and your hangones will not say by Waldegrave , whom you would hang if you could I will be briefe in the r●…st , but so , as the Reader may perceive that T. C. was hired to lye by commission . I will stand to it , that his grace accounteth the preaching of the Word , being the only ordinary meanes of Salvation to be an heresie , and doth moreally persecute the same : his appellation to the obedient Clergy shall stand him in no steed , when more worke for Cooper is published . And there I will pay thee for abusing Master Wiggington , and Mr. Davison , whose good names can take no staine from a Bishops chops . If his grace rejected Master Evans for want of conformity , why is the quare impedit gotten against the Bishop of Worcester , by the noble Earle of Warwicke his patron . J hope he will see both the quare impedit , and the premunire too , brought upon the bones of father Edmond of Worcester . It is a common bragge with his grace , his parasites , and with himselfe , that he is the second person in the land . More worke shall pay his grace for commending the Apocrypha , a profane and a lying story in many places , to bee unseparably joyned with the holy Word of God . You grant D. Spark to have set his grace and your selfe T. C. at a non-plus for the septuaginta is contrary to the Hebrew , and therefore you maintaine contrary translations , and require men to approve both . Martin hath marred Richard patriks Market , for otherwife he was in good hope to have a benefice at his grace his hand , and to be made a Minstrell . Shamelesse and impudent wretches that dare deny Iohn of Canterbury to have bin at any time under D. ●…erne , but as a fellow of the house , where he was master , whereas all the world knoweth him to have bin a poore scholler in that house , yea and his grace hath often confessed , that hee being there a poore scholler , was so poore as hee had not a napkin to wipe his mouth , but when he had gotten some fat meate of O the fellowes table , would goe to the Skrine , and first wipe his mouth on the one side and then O the other , because he wanted a napkin , judge you whither this be not a meane●… state , then to carry a clo●…kbag , which is not spoken to upbraid any mans poverty , but to pull the pride of Gods enemy an ase lower . Although we cannot beleeve D. Perne in the Pulpit , yet in this point wee will not refuse his testimony . I am glad Iohn of London you will not deny , but you have the Dyars cloath , make restitution then : thou madest the Porter of thy Gate a Minister Iohn , and thou mightest do●… it lawfully . Why so J pray thee , why ma●… , because hee was almost blind , and at Paddington being a small people ▪ hee could not starve as many soules , as his master doth , which hath a great charge , I hope Mr. Madox will thinke scorn , to aske Iohn of London forgivenesse . The substance of the Tale is true . I told you that I had it at the second hand . Are you not ashamed to deny the elmes to be cut downe at Fulham ? Why her Majesties taker tooke them from Iohn of London . And simple fellowes , are you not able to discerne betweene a pleasant frump given you by a counsellour , and a speech used in good earnest . Alas poore Iohn O London , doest thou thinke , that Mr. Vice-chamberlaine spake as hee thought . Then it is time to begge thee for a swagge . And so it is if thou thinkest wee will beleeve the ●…urncoate O. Perne speaking unto us in his owne name , who like an Apostatae , hath out of the pulpit , told so many untruthes . And as it is lawfull to boule ▪ O the Sabboth , as it is to cat , and for you to make dumbe Ministers , as it was for DAVID to eate of the shew bread page 110. or for the Machabees to fight on the Sabboth , or for Moses to grant a bill of divorcement ? J perceive these men will have the good Divinity , if it be to be gotten for money . Yea and our Saviour Christ , sware by his Faith very often . How so good Iohn , I never heard that before , why saith T. ●… . hee said Amen Amen very often , and Amen , is as much as by my faith , page 62. horrible and blasphemous Beasts , whither will your madnesse grow in a while , if you bee not restrained ▪ M. Allen the Grocer is paid all save 10 pound : for the use of that , the Executors have Iohn O Londons blessing . And J thinke they are reasonably well served . If the tale of Benison be not true , why was Iohn of London alorted by the counsell , to pay him ( I thinke ) 40 pounds , for his false imprisonment . Iohn of London is not dumbe , because hee preacheth sometimes thrise a yeare at Pauls Crosse . Then we shall never make our money of it I see . But I pray thee T. G , how canst thou excuse his blasphemy of Eli , Eli , lamasaback●…hani , there have beene two outragious facts amongst others committed in the world , by those that professe true Religion , the one was the betraying of our Saviour by Iudas an Apostle , the other was the horrible mocking of his agony and bitter passion , by Iohn Elmar a Bishop in this speech ▪ If he had bin in some reformed Churches , the Blasphemer would have hardly escaped with his life . And is it true sweet Boy indeed Hath Liecestershire so embraced the Gospell without contention , and that by dumbe Iohns meanes ? Little doest thou know what thou hast done now , how if Martin be a Liecestershire man , hast not thou then set out the praise of thine owne bane ? For Martin I am sure , hath wrought your Caiphas Chaire more wracke and misery , then all the whole Land beside . And therefore thou seest , a man may be so madde sometimes , that he may praise he cannot tell what . The Bishop of Rochester in presenting himselfe to a parsonage , did no more then Law allowed him . And doe so againe good Iohn of Rochester , and it will be for thy oredit , Fo , these Puritans would find fault I thinke with Iohn of Cant , ( if he beleeving that Christ in soule went to Hell ) should hold it unlawfull for a man to pray unto Christ being in Hell . And sweet Iohn of Cant , if ever thou prayedst in thy life for any bodies soule , now pray for thy brother D , Squire and Tarletons soules . They were honest fellowes , though I think Deane Iohns eares be longer . For why good sweet Iohn may not your worship doe this , as well as William of Lancolne might pray , that our soules should be with the soules of professed traiterous Papists . The good B. of Winchester did not protest , that at Sir M. Overies which was layd to his charge , but hee spake some things that way . Well brother Winchester , you confesse the most part , & we will beleeve the rest for your sake without witnesse . The B. of Winchester never said that it was an her esie , to hold that the preaching of the Word was the onely ordinary meanes to salvation , but inasmuch as P●…nri held that the effect of salvation could not bee wrought by the word read , he said that was not farre from heresie : why Brother Cooper , what is this else but open confession . For Iohn Penri as appeareth in his writings holdeth the word read , to be no ordinary meanes of salvation at all , This I know you will account an heresie , otherwise your case is damnable , that cause the people to content themselves with reading , and hold that they may ordin●…rily be saved thereby . Yea but T. of Winchester disputed a M of Art , 45 yeares ●…goe in Divinity . Here is an old Lad once : I hope that disputation was very cholerickly performed . And he did once as pretty a thing as that came to . For once preaching a●…Canter . he was disposed to note out T. C. I meane simple T. C. in his Sermon , his part he plaid after this sort . He noted 4 great Hidraes of the Gospell in his sermon , 1 Carnall Security , 2 Heathenish Gentility , 3 obstinat Papistry , 4. Saith he ( when I looke in his forehead , ●… find T. C. written therein , which I cannot otherwise interpret , then thanklesse Curiosity ▪ thanklesse for the benefits already received , and more curious then needs , in vaine and needlesse questions : the old student did not know himselfe to be T. C. when hee thus spake : and this is the thanklesse curiosity , that hath answered Martin : yea he saw Martins picture drawne , when he was a young man . I perceive then he was not so blind , as the old Porter of Paddington , whom Iohn of London bedeaconed and beministred : Lucian of Winchester was himselfe the Painter , Mydas of Cant. the Iudge : the one of the 2 women called Ignorance was the goodwife of Bath . Dr. Culpable Warden of New Colledge : the other called jealous suspition , was the Fox ; Iohn of Exceter , then Camwinkadeward , alias Dr. Prime Calumniator : this Winken and his Lord of Winchester drew innocency , to wit , Martin Marprelat Gent : by the heire of the head then followed : Dolus , ●…aus , insidiae , to wit : Dr. Perne , ●… . Renold , and Dr. Cosins : the Treader was cankered Mallis , his Eyes was fiery , his face thinne , wrink●…led , pin'd away with melancholy : and this was Dr. Copcot , then followed dolefull Repentance , that is , Deane Iohn repenting that ever hee had written in the Bishops behalfe , because his grace is not as good as his word , T. C. cōsider this picture untill we meete againe . Now my businesse calls me away , I am going towards Banbery ? for I heare say , there hath bin old adoe ; for Bakers daughters would have Knights whither they would or no . I will learne the truth thereof , and so I will post to shohill : and visiting some parts of Stratford , Warwick , and Northampton shires . I may well make a journey backe againe to Norfolk and Suffolke : J have a Regester at Bury , and by that time my visitors will come out of Cornwall , Devon and Hamshire : and now farewell good profane T. C. I cannot now meddle with a long period , which thou hast in the 33. 34. page of thy Booke , it is but 38 lines , thou art longer winded then Deane Iohn is I see , though he hath longer periods then that I set downe , whereas thou dost complaine that the Livings of our Bishops are so small that some of their Children are like to goe a begging , there is present Remedy for that , for to what end else is Iohn of Cant , unmarried , but to provide for the Bishops Children , who shall bee poorely left , though indeed I never said in my life , that there was any great familiarity betweene Mistresse Toye and Iohn Whitgift , and I le befie em , I le befie em that will say so of me ; and wherefore is Rich. of Peterborough unmarryed but to provide for other mens Children ; O now I remember me , he hath also a charge to provide for , for his Hostes and cosen of Sibson , the Peticote which he bestowed upon her , within this sixe months was not the best in England , the Token was not unmeere for her state , farewell , farewell , farewell , old Martin keepe thee out of their hands for all that , for thou art a short fellow , thou wilt one day overthrow them Amen , and then thou swearest by thy Faith , quoth Iohn of London . Martin the Metropolitan to Iohn the Metropolitan , saith Nemo considat nimium secundis . Martin to his troubled Sonne , saith Nemo desperet Meliora Lapsus . Anglia Martinis Disce favere tuis . Faults Escaped . Title line 10 , Read , Chapleine hath shewed himselfe in his late admonition to the people of England to b. &c. Epist. page 3 read Eulegein for Euldgeni , beare with the rest of the Faults . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A43120e-1120 ●… may hereby ceiveth 〈◊〉 . is a Bishop . The Apostles chose men in stead of Iames being beheaded as they did in stead of Iudas , Act. 1. which they would have done if the Apo stolicall calling had beene permanent . This T. Cooper gain●…aieth pag. 2. of his Epistle . Cooper saith his page se●…●…nd Epistle . T. C. 38 ▪ Deane Iohn , 〈◊〉 1 ▪ pag●… 40 line 7 ▪ Qui pergit quod vult dicere quae non vult audiet . T. C. page 40. page 41. page 46. page 44. Where 〈◊〉 it may appeare ●…e swore not to his friend . page 46. page 47. page 47. page 48 , 49. 2 Esdras , 14. 21. 37 , &c. page 50. page 51 , 52 ▪ 53 , 54. page 55 , 56 page 57 , 58 page 62. page 58. page 59. pag. 6. 61 62 page 63 , page 63 , 64 page 14 , 65 , 66 , &c. page 71. page 7●… , 75.