A discreet and learned speech, spoken in the Parliament, on Wednesday, the 4 of January, 1641, by Mr. Hampden, Burgesse for Buckingham concerning the accusation of high treason, preferred by His Majesty, against himselfe, the Lord Kimbolton, Sr. Arthur Haslerig, Mr. Pym, Mr. Strowd, Mr. Hollis, worthy members of the House of Commons : therein worthily declaring the difference betwixt a good subject and a bad, and referring his own triall to the iudgement of that honourable assembly.
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             A discreet and learned speech, spoken in the Parliament, on Wednesday, the 4 of January, 1641, by Mr. Hampden, Burgesse for Buckingham concerning the accusation of high treason, preferred by His Majesty, against himselfe, the Lord Kimbolton, Sr. Arthur Haslerig, Mr. Pym, Mr. Strowd, Mr. Hollis, worthy members of the House of Commons : therein worthily declaring the difference betwixt a good subject and a bad, and referring his own triall to the iudgement of that honourable assembly.
             Hampden, John, 1594-1643.
          
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           Hesilrige, Arthur, -- Sir, d. 1661.
           Manchester, Edward Montagu, -- Earl of, 1602-1671.
           Pym, John, 1584-1643.
           Strode, William, 1600 or 1601-1645.
           Holles, Denzil Holles, -- Baron, 1599-1680.
           Great Britain -- History -- Charles I, 1625-1649.
        
      
    
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           A
           DISCREET
           AND
           LEARNED
           SPEECH
           :
           Spoken
           in
           the
           PARLIAMENT
           ,
           on
           
             Wednesday
             ,
          
           the
           4.
           of
           
             January
             ,
          
           1641.
           
           BY
           Mr.
           HAMPDEN
           ,
           Burgesse
           for
           
             Buckingham
             .
          
           Concerning
           the
           Accusation
           of
           High
           Treason
           ,
           preferred
           by
           His
           Majesty
           ,
           against
           himselfe
           the
           Lord
           
             Kimbolton
             ,
          
           Sr.
           
             Arthur
             Haslerig
             ,
          
           Mr.
           
             Pym
             ,
          
           Mr.
           
             Strowd
             ,
          
           Mr.
           
             Hollis
             ,
          
           worthy
           Members
           of
           the
           House
           of
           COMMONS
           .
           Therein
           worthily
           declaring
           the
           difference
           betwixt
           a
           good
           subject
           and
           a
           bad
           ,
           and
           referring
           his
           own
           Triall
           to
           the
           Iudgement
           of
           that
           Honorable
           Assembly
           .
        
         
           depiction of cockfight
        
         
           London
           Printed
           for
           
             F.
             Coules
             ,
          
           and
           
             T.
             B.
          
           1641.
           
        
      
    
     
       
       
       
         
           Mr.
           HAMPDEN
           His
           Speech
           in
           PARLIAMENT
           on
           Wednesday
           ,
           the
           4.
           of
           
             January
          
           1641
           ,
           Concerning
           the
           accusation
           of
           high
           treason
           preferred
           by
           his
           Majesty
           ,
           against
           himselfe
           ,
           the
           Lord
           
             Kimbolton
             ,
          
           Sr.
           
             Arthur
             Haslerig
             ,
          
           Mr.
           
             Pym
             ,
          
           Mr.
           
             Strowd
             ,
          
           and
           Mr.
           
             Hollis
             ,
          
           Worthy
           members
           of
           the
           Lower
           House
           ▪
           of
           PARLIAMENT
           .
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Speaker
             ,
          
        
         
           IT
           is
           a
           true
           saying
           of
           the
           Wise
           man
           ,
           that
           all
           things
           happen
           alike
           to
           all
           men
           ,
           as
           well
           to
           the
           good
           man
           as
           to
           the
           bad
           ,
           there
           is
           no
           state
           or
           condition
           whatsoever
           ,
           either
           of
           prosperity
           or
           adversity
           ,
           but
           all
           sorts
           of
           men
           are
           sharers
           in
           the
           same
           ,
           no
           man
           can
           be
           discerned
           truely
           by
           the
           outward
           appearance
           ,
           whether
           he
           bee
           a
           good
           subject
           ,
           either
           to
           his
           God
           ,
           his
           Prince
           ,
           or
           his
           Countrey
           ,
           untill
           he
           be
           tryed
           by
           the
           touchstone
           of
           loyalty
           :
           give
           me
           leave
           I
           beseech
           you
           ,
           to
           parallell
           the
           lives
           of
           either
           sort
           ,
           that
           we
           may
           in
           some
           measure
           discern
           truth
           from
           falsehood
           ,
           and
           in
           speaking
           I
           shall
           similize
           their
           lives
           .
        
         
         
           First
           ,
           in
           Religion
           towards
           God
           .
           Secondly
           ,
           in
           loyalty
           and
           due
           subjection
           to
           their
           Soveraigne
           ,
           in
           their
           affection
           towards
           the
           safety
           of
           their
           Countrey
           .
        
         
           First
           ,
           concerning
           Religion
           ,
           the
           best
           meanes
           to
           discerne
           between
           the
           true
           and
           false
           Religion
           is
           ,
           by
           searching
           the
           sacred
           Writings
           of
           the
           old
           and
           new
           Testament
           ,
           which
           is
           of
           it selfe
           pure
           ,
           and
           indited
           by
           the
           Spirit
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           written
           by
           holy
           men
           ,
           unspotted
           in
           their
           lives
           and
           conversation
           ,
           and
           by
           this
           sacred
           Word
           may
           we
           prove
           whether
           our
           Religion
           bee
           of
           God
           or
           no
           ,
           and
           by
           looking
           in
           this
           glasse
           we
           may
           discern
           whether
           we
           are
           in
           the
           right
           way
           or
           no
           .
        
         
           And
           looking
           into
           the
           same
           ,
           find
           that
           by
           this
           truth
           of
           God
           ,
           that
           there
           is
           but
           one
           God
           ,
           one
           Christ
           ,
           one
           Faith
           ,
           one
           Religion
           ,
           which
           is
           the
           Gospell
           of
           Christ
           ,
           &
           the
           doctrine
           of
           the
           Prophets
           ,
           and
           Apostles
           .
        
         
           In
           these
           two
           Testaments
           is
           contained
           all
           things
           necessary
           to
           salvation
           ,
           if
           that
           our
           Religion
           doth
           hang
           upon
           this
           Doctrine
           ,
           and
           no
           other
           secondary
           meanes
           ,
           than
           is
           true
           to
           which
           comes
           nearest
           the
           Protestant
           Religion
           ,
           which
           wee
           professe
           ,
           as
           I
           really
           and
           verily
           believe
           ,
           and
           consequently
           that
           Religion
           ,
           which
           joyneth
           with
           this
           Doctrine
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           his
           Apostles
           ,
           the
           traditions
           and
           inventions
           of
           men
           ,
           Prayers
           to
           the
           Virgin
           
             Mary
             ,
          
           Angels
           ,
           Saints
           ;
           that
           useth
           in
           the
           exercise
           of
           their
           Religion
           ,
           strange
           and
           superstitious
           worshipping
           ,
           cringing
           ,
           bowing
           ,
           creeping
           to
           the
           Altar
           ,
           using
           Pictures
           ,
           Dirges
           ,
           and
           such
           like
           ,
           cannot
           be
           true
           ,
           but
           erroneous
           ,
           nay
           divelish
           ,
           and
           all
           this
           is
           used
           and
           maintained
           in
           the
           Church
           of
           
             Rome
             ,
          
           as
           necessary
           as
           the
           Scripture
           to
           Salvation
           .
           
           Therefore
           it
           a
           false
           and
           Erronious
           Church
           ,
           both
           in
           Doctrine
           and
           discipline
           ,
           and
           all
           other
           Sects
           and
           Shismes
           ,
           that
           learnes
           not
           onely
           on
           the
           Scripture
           ,
           though
           never
           so
           contrary
           to
           the
           Church
           of
           
             Rome
             ,
          
           is
           a
           false
           worshipping
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           not
           the
           true
           Religion
           .
           And
           thus
           much
           concerning
           the
           Religion
           ,
           to
           discerne
           the
           truth
           and
           falsehood
           thereof
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           I
           come
           now
           M.
           
             Speaker
          
           to
           the
           2d
           .
           thing
           intimated
           unto
           you
           ;
           which
           was
           how
           to
           discerne
           in
           a
           State
           betweene
           good
           Subjects
           and
           bad
           ,
           by
           their
           loyalty
           and
           due
           subjection
           to
           their
           lawfull
           Soveraigne
           ;
           in
           which
           I
           shall
           under
           favour
           observe
           two
           things
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           Lawfull
           subjection
           to
           a
           King
           in
           his
           owne
           Person
           ,
           and
           the
           Commands
           ,
           Edicts
           ,
           and
           Proclamations
           ,
           of
           the
           Prince
           and
           his
           Privie
           Councell
           .
        
         
           Lawfull
           obedience
           to
           the
           Lawes
           ,
           Statutes
           ,
           and
           Ordinances
           ,
           made
           ,
           enacted
           by
           the
           King
           and
           the
           Lords
           ,
           with
           the
           free
           consent
           of
           his
           great
           Councell
           of
           State
           assembled
           in
           Parliament
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           For
           ,
           the
           first
           to
           deny
           a
           willing
           and
           dutifull
           obedience
           to
           a
           lawfull
           Soveraigne
           and
           his
           Privie
           Councell
           ;
           for
           as
           
             Camden
          
           truely
           saith
           ,
           the
           commands
           of
           the
           Lords
           Privie
           Councellours
           ,
           and
           the
           Edicts
           of
           the
           Prince
           is
           all
           one
           ,
           for
           they
           are
           inseparable
           ,
           the
           one
           never
           without
           the
           other
           ,
           either
           to
           defend
           His
           Royall
           Person
           ,
           and
           Kingdomes
           and
           against
           the
           Enemies
           of
           the
           same
           ,
           either
           publike
           or
           private
           .
           Or
           to
           defend
           the
           ancient
           priviledges
           and
           Prerogatives
           of
           the
           King
           ,
           pertinent
           and
           belonging
           of
           right
           to
           his
           Royal
           Crown
           and
           the
           maintenance
           of
           his
           Honour
           and
           Dignity
           .
           Or
           to
           defend
           and
           maintaine
           true
           Religion
           established
           in
           the
           Land
           ,
           according
           to
           the
           truth
           of
           God
           ,
           is
           one
           signe
           of
           an
           evil
           and
           bad
           subject
           .
        
         
         
           2
           Secondly
           ,
           to
           yeeld
           obedience
           to
           the
           commands
           of
           a
           King
           ,
           if
           against
           the
           true
           Religion
           ,
           against
           the
           Ancient
           and
           fundamentall
           Lawes
           of
           the
           Land
           ,
           is
           another
           signe
           of
           an
           ill
           Subject
           .
        
         
           3
           Thirdly
           ,
           to
           resist
           the
           lawfull
           power
           of
           the
           King
           ,
           to
           raise
           insurrection
           against
           the
           King
           ,
           admit
           him
           averse
           in
           His
           Religion
           ,
           to
           conspire
           against
           His
           Sacred
           Person
           ,
           or
           any
           wayes
           to
           rebell
           ,
           though
           commanding
           things
           against
           our
           Consciences
           in
           exercising
           Religion
           ,
           or
           against
           the
           Rights
           ,
           and
           Priviledges
           of
           the
           Subject
           ,
           is
           an
           absolute
           signe
           of
           a
           disaffected
           &
           traiterous
           subject
           .
           And
           now
           having
           given
           the
           signes
           of
           discerning
           evill
           and
           disloyall
           Subjects
           ,
           I
           shall
           only
           give
           you
           in
           a
           word
           or
           two
           ,
           the
           signes
           of
           discerning
           which
           are
           loyall
           and
           good
           Subjects
           ,
           only
           by
           turning
           these
           three
           signes
           already
           shewed
           on
           the
           contrary
           side
           .
        
         
           1
           He
           that
           willingly
           and
           cheerefully
           endeavoureth
           himselfe
           to
           obey
           his
           Soveraignes
           commands
           for
           the
           defence
           of
           his
           owne
           person
           and
           Kingdomes
           ,
           for
           the
           defence
           of
           true
           Religion
           ,
           for
           the
           defence
           of
           the
           Laws
           of
           his
           Country
           ,
           is
           a
           loyall
           and
           good
           Subject
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           To
           deny
           obedience
           to
           a
           King
           ,
           commanding
           any
           thing
           against
           Gods
           true
           Worship
           and
           Religion
           ,
           against
           the
           Ancient
           and
           Fundamentall
           Lawes
           of
           the
           Land
           ,
           in
           indeavouring
           to
           performe
           the
           same
           ,
           is
           a
           good
           Subject
           .
        
         
           Not
           to
           resist
           the
           lawfull
           and
           Royall
           power
           of
           the
           King
           to
           raise
           sedition
           or
           Insurrection
           against
           his
           Person
           ,
           or
           to
           set
           division
           betweene
           the
           King
           and
           his
           good
           Subjects
           by
           rebellion
           .
           Although
           commanding
           things
           against
           conscience
           ,
           in
           the
           exercise
           of
           Religion
           ,
           
           or
           against
           the
           rights
           and
           priviledges
           of
           the
           Subject
           ,
           but
           patiently
           for
           the
           same
           to
           undergo
           his
           Princes
           displeasure
           ,
           whether
           it
           be
           to
           his
           imprisonment
           ,
           confiscation
           of
           goods
           ,
           banishment
           ,
           or
           any
           other
           punnishment
           whatsoever
           ,
           without
           murmuring
           ,
           grudging
           ,
           or
           reviling
           against
           his
           Soveraigne
           or
           his
           proceedings
           ,
           but
           submitting
           willingly
           ,
           &
           cheerefully
           himselfe
           and
           his
           cause
           to
           Almighty
           God
           ,
           is
           the
           only
           signe
           of
           an
           obedient
           and
           Loyall
           Subject
           .
        
         
           I
           come
           now
           to
           the
           second
           meanes
           to
           know
           the
           difference
           betweene
           a
           good
           Subject
           and
           a
           bad
           ,
           by
           their
           obedience
           to
           the
           Laws
           ,
           Statutes
           and
           ordinances
           made
           by
           the
           King
           ,
           with
           the
           whole
           consent
           of
           his
           Parliament
           .
           And
           in
           this
           I
           observe
           a
           twofold
           subjection
           :
           In
           the
           particular
           members
           thereof
           ,
           dissenting
           from
           the
           generall
           Votes
           of
           the
           whole
           Parliament
           .
           And
           secondly
           ,
           the
           whole
           State
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           to
           a
           full
           Parliament
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           First
           I
           conceive
           ,
           if
           any
           particular
           member
           of
           a
           Parliament
           ,
           although
           his
           judgement
           and
           Vote
           bee
           contrary
           ,
           doe
           not
           willingly
           submit
           to
           the
           rest
           ,
           is
           an
           ill
           Subject
           to
           the
           King
           and
           Country
           .
        
         
           And
           secondly
           ,
           to
           resist
           the
           Ordinance
           of
           the
           whole
           State
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           either
           by
           the
           stirring
           up
           a
           dislike
           in
           the
           hearts
           of
           his
           Majesties
           Subjects
           ▪
           of
           the
           proceedings
           of
           the
           Parliament
           .
           To
           endeavour
           by
           leavying
           of
           Armes
           to
           compell
           the
           King
           and
           Parliament
           to
           make
           such
           lawes
           as
           seeme
           best
           to
           them
           ,
           to
           deny
           the
           power
           ,
           Authority
           ,
           and
           priviledges
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           to
           cast
           aspersions
           upon
           the
           same
           and
           proceedings
           ;
           thereby
           inducing
           the
           King
           to
           thinke
           ill
           of
           the
           
           same
           ,
           and
           to
           be
           incensed
           against
           the
           same
           ,
           to
           procure
           the
           untimely
           dissolution
           and
           breaking
           off
           of
           a
           Parliament
           ,
           before
           all
           things
           be
           setled
           by
           the
           same
           ,
           for
           the
           safety
           and
           tranquility
           both
           of
           King
           and
           State
           ,
           is
           an
           apparant
           signe
           of
           a
           treacherous
           and
           disloyall
           Subject
           against
           his
           King
           and
           Country
           .
           And
           th●s
           having
           troubled
           your
           patience
           ,
           in
           shewing
           the
           difference
           betweene
           true
           Protestants
           ,
           and
           false
           loyall
           Subjects
           and
           Traytors
           ,
           in
           a
           State
           or
           Kingdome
           ;
           and
           the
           meanes
           how
           to
           discerne
           them
           .
           I
           humbly
           desire
           my
           Actions
           may
           be
           compared
           with
           either
           ,
           both
           as
           I
           am
           a
           Subject
           ,
           a
           Protestant
           ,
           and
           a
           native
           in
           this
           Country
           ;
           and
           as
           I
           am
           a
           member
           of
           this
           present
           and
           happy
           Parliament
           ,
           and
           as
           I
           shall
           be
           found
           guilty
           upon
           these
           articles
           exhibited
           against
           my selfe
           ,
           and
           the
           other
           Gentlemen
           ,
           either
           a
           bad
           or
           a
           good
           Subject
           to
           my
           gracious
           Soveraigne
           and
           Native
           Country
           .
           To
           receive
           such
           sentence
           upon
           the
           same
           ,
           as
           this
           Honorable
           House
           shall
           be
           conceived
           ,
           to
           agree
           with
           Law
           and
           Justice
           .
        
         
           FINIS
           .