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Copies of the texts have been issued variously as SGML (TCP schema; ASCII text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable XML (TCP schema; characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless XML (TEI P5, characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or TEI g elements). Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng L'Estrange, Roger, -- Sir, 1616-1704. -- Observator. Great Britain -- History -- Restoration, 1660-1688. 2003-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2003-11 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2003-12 Mona Logarbo Sampled and proofread 2003-12 Mona Logarbo Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE Observator Defended , BY The AUTHOR of the OBSERVATORS . IN A Full ANSWER to Several Scandalls Cast upon him , in Matters of Religion , Government , and Good Manners . LONDON , Printed for Charles Brome , at the Sign of the Gun in St. Paul's Church-yard . 1685. To the Right Reverend Father in God , Henry Lord Bishop of London . My LORD , YOu have here before your Lordship an Appeal from Clamour , & Calumny , to your Honour , and Iustice : And to whom , but to my Right Reverend Diocesan , should I fly for Protection , and Relief ; when Religion , and Good Manners , ( though brought in by Head and Shoulders ) are made the Question ! I am Arraigned as a Stickler for Popery ; An Enemy to the Establish'd Church of England ; a Slanderer of the London-Clergy ; and a Sower of Dissention among his Majesties Subjects : All which Reproches I Valu'd as my Glory , so long as I was Wounded for the Churches sake , and by the Common , and Profess'd Enemies of the True Sons of That Church , and of All Loyal Subjects . But , I must Confess , it has given me some Trouble , as well as matter of Admiration , to see so Unaccountable a Change of Humour , now of Late , from what it was some Few Years agon : And that the Same Zeal , under the Same Method of Manage , and Direction ; and for the very Same Cause too ; Nay , and the Self-same Publique Offices , and Applications , that were Acknowledg'd , and Declar'd to be Meritorious Services , from the Year 1680. to February 1684 / 5 should now , all on the Sudden , be Pronounc'd , so Scandalous , and Offensive to the Same Protestant Church , which Before they were thought to have Defended : And All these Contradictions at Last , from many of the very Same Hands : Where the Fault lyes , is Submitted to your Lordship to Determine ; and whether the Same Principles ; the Same Iudgment ; the Same Practices ; and the Same Doctrine of CIVIL OBEDIENCE , ( for I have gone no further ) be not as Warrantable under the Reign of our Present King , ( whom God Preserve ) as they were in the time of his Late Blessed Majesty . If it shall be said that I have Departed from my Self ; I do Freely Offer-up Seaven or Eight and Forty Years of my Life , to the Scrutiny . And if upon the Strictest Examination of my Papers , and Actions , It shall be made Appear , that I am not the very same Person at This Day , that I was in the First Scottish Rebellion of 38 and 9. with a respect to the Religion , and Government , both of Church and State , and without any Shifting , either of Opinion , or so much as Outward Pretence in the Interval , I 'le Submit to be Concluded by That Instance . ( Though I am persuaded ( My Lord ) that the Clearest of my Accusers would be Loth to stand That Test ) And This , ( under favour ) is not All neither : For there Occurs yet Another Difficulty , that 's as much a Riddle as any of the Rest ; which is , how the Same Person should be so Deadly an Eye-Sore to the Orthodox Clergy of the Church of England ; and yet at the Same Time , ( if not in the same Cause ) be so Galling a Thorn in the Sides of the Schismatiques . With your Lordships Favour , and Patience , for a word or Two upon This Part of my Case : If I am an Enemy to the Church , I 'me a Friend to the Faction ; And yet I find no Abatement of Malicious Forgeries , and Scandals against me , from That Quarter : If I 'me an Enemy to the Schism , purely for the Churches sake , I am so far , a Friend to the Church ; And it is yet my Fortune , to meet with as Hard Measure under Colour of That Interest , as of the Other . Now ( my Lord ) If my Writings , and my Life be All of a piece ; ( as after all This Noise , there 's not the Least Shadow of a Proof to the Contrary ) If both the One , and the Other have had the Honour , 'till now of late , of a Fair Interpretation , both as to my Religion , and my Allegeance : If I do , at This Moment , stand upon the Same Ground , and Assert the Same Principles that ever I did ; there must be either some Secret Practice , or some Dangerous Misunderstanding in the Bus'ness . And the Intrigue is no more then This ; The Common Enemies of the Government , Invent , and Spread Scandals against the Friends of it . They throw out the Bait , and here and there an Easy Honest man Swallows it ; while , under That Pretext , the Designs of the Faction are Expos'd as the Sense of the Church . ( as will be set forth more at large , in This Following Tract . ) Your Lordship has not taken Notice , perhaps , that the Author of Iulian the Apostate , is of late become a Famous Stickler for the Protestant Religion and the Church-of England as by Law Establish'd , against Popery and Papists : And that he has Compos'd , and Publish'd Three Famous Papers upon That Subject : But withall , That as These Three Papers were Intended for Libells ; so they were Manag'd in the Dark , and Privately Thrown about the Streets , as the most Pernicious of Libells : And in fine , to Consummate the Boldness , and the Wickedness of the Hypocrisy , These Papers were Written , Design'd , and Calculated for the Service of the Rebellion it self . To say nothing of Other Affronts put upon the Dignity of the Holy Order , and the Protestant Profession , under the Same Disguise . It is , Briefly , my Lord , the very Train , and Master-piece of the Faction , by a Certain Sleight of hand , to get the Protestant Religion turn'd up Trump : and Then , to Play their Own Game under it . With Permission ( my Lord ) This is the Iust State , and True Measure of the Case , both Publique , and Private . I had it T'other day from a Person of Great , and Vnquestionable Honour , That the very Morning after the Rebells Landed at Lime , as they were Discoursing of the Danger of their Vndertaking ; [ Well! ( says a Head-Man among 'em ) If we can but make a Breakfast of Those Rogues , Jeffreys , and L'Estrange , we 'le never Repent the Hazzards we are to run . ] I take it for an Obligation that they Design'd the Eating of me in so Good Company : But ( with pardon ) it seems somewhat with the most yet , to be Baited by CHRISTIANs , on the One Hand , and Worry'd by CANNIBALS , on the Other . It will become me now to Enform your Lordship , in Excuse of This Confidence , how Unwillingly I came to it . The Western Rebellion has hardly made more Noise then my Apostacy to the Church of Rome ; and it has given no small Reputation to the Imposture , that my Enemies have taken Sanctuary in the Church ; and Stabb'd me , even from behind the Altar : So that I could not so much as Defend my self , without some sort of Irreverence : And to go further , would have been little less then Sacrilege . It was a Dangerous , and an Vnkind Dilemma that I was now put upon : Either to Sink for want of a Vindication , or to run the Risque of Hurting my Mother , in the Attempt of Righting my self upon some of her Froward Children : Upon This Consideration , I contented my self with the Middle Course , of only Touching upon the Point in question now and then in an Observator : But still , so fast as One Sham went-off , Another came on ; and finding the Work to be Endless , I made a Virtue of my Misfortune , and took up a Philosophical Resolution , of Troubling my Head no further , with what I could not help . So long as the Fame of my Levity , and Hypocrisy , Pass'd only from hand to hand , in a News-Letter , by Word of Mouth , or upon Common Hearsay , I stood the Shock , without being much Concern'd , whether the World were Angry , or Pleas'd : Notwithstanding , that Great Names , and Authoritys were laid hold of , to Bolster-up the Credit of the Report : But when I came , afterward , to find Ten Sheets of a Book , Printed , under the Title of [ The Difference between the CHURCH of ENGLAND , and the CHURCH of ROME , Considered and Stated , according to such Measures as both do Allow : ] The Subject of it , lyable enough , to stirr up Vnseasonable Heats : And My Self ( at what Hazzard soever ) render'd the Occasion of the Controversy ; As if the Treatise , had been only a Defence of the Church of England , in Reply to the Observator , that had Written against it . This Insinuation was the most Artificial Essay of Proving me a Papist , that has , as yet , been Offer'd at : And left only This Choice before me ; Either to put Pen to Paper , in Denial of the Charge , or to Stand Mute , and Confess it . You will , I hope , My Lord , Easily Excuse my Writing , under These Circumstances ; and as Generously Pardon the Adventure of This Dedication , when you shall find , how Injuriously my Adversaries have Apply'd the Countenance of your Lordships Power , and Character , toward the Oppressing of an Innocent Person . Neither have I proceeded thus far , without Consulting All the Terms of Discretion , Decency , and Respect : Even to the Degree , of Reasoning my self into a Full Conviction , that I could not have done Less then now I do , without being Wanting , both to your Lordship , and to my self : That is to say ; without Appearing less Sollicitous for the Blessing of your Good Opinion , then I ought to be . It is not yet , ( My Lord ) that I presume to Beg your Patronage , the Breadth of a Single-Hair , beyond the Merits of the Cause ; and the Exact Truth , and Rigour of an Impartial Iustice ; So that my Petition , within Those Bounds , is as Good as Granted Before-Hand : But the Sum of my Humble Request ( with Submission ) is only This ; That I may have leave to Deposite These Sheets in your Lordships Hand ; To the End , that in case of Any Misrepresentation of the Matters here in Question , my Accusation , and my Defence may Appear Together . I have now My Lord , only to Crave your Benediction , upon Your Lordships most Dutifull , and Obedient Servant , Roger L'Estrange . To the Reader . THis is only to shew the Reader in a Few Words , how Matters stand betwixt the Peevish Part of the World , and the Observator ; and it is a Defence that I am forc'd upon by a Certain Printed Paper , that lays me under the Absolute Necessity of a Reply : And , at the same time , gives me as Fair an Opportunity as I could Wish , of Clearing several Other Scores , all under One. My Work will be the Easier , in regard that the most Popular Stress of the Calumny against me , is Discharg'd , out of the Mouths of my very Opposers ; and not without Manifest Contradictions upon Themselves too : Beside the False Countenances that are put upon my Writings , & Meanings , in Despite of Grammar-Rules , and of Common Reason ; which the Reader would have taken Notice of without Telling . For the Better Colour of the Bus'ness ; the Title bears the Face only of a Consideration of the Difference betwixt the Two Churches ; But the First Sheet of the Text looks quite Another way ; and turns the Pretended State of the Controversy into a Stabbing Reflexion upon the Observator : As who should say , let the Author of the Observators talk what he will , of Re-Unions , and Accommodations ; as if there were no Difference at all , but in Terms , and Modalities , betwixt the Church-of - England and the Church of Rome : Here 's a Brief Confutation of his Mistake , let him Deny it if he can . Upon the Authority of This Insinuation , I am presently to be run-down for a Papist , without any Ground for the Suggestion : Nay upon Those Points , wherein the Plaintiff , and the Defendent Agree in Opinion , to a Single Syllable . So that Write I must ; and my Method shall be , to Take , and to Answer That which Concerns my self , in Fact ; ( For I have nothing to do with matter of Doctrine ) Paragraph by Paragraph , under the Heads of CONSIDERATIONS , and NOTES , to Distinguish the One from the Other . The Observator Defended , &c. 1. The Difference between the Church of ENGLAND , and the Church of ROME , CONSIDER'D and Stated , according to such Measures , as both do Allow . 1. THese are the Words of the Title : But we must look for the Drift , & Meaning of it , in the following Text ; Where , it will Appear , that the Pretended State of the Difference betwixt the Two Churches , is the Least Part of the Bus'ness of This Treatise : Though Nine Parts in Ten of the Bulk of it be Employ'd upon That Subject : So that I shall now Proceed to the Matter . 2. After the Ingenious Author of the Observators had declared , that he was resolved not to intermeddle in past Controversies , without fresh and publick Provocation to 't ; and to bury Forty One , and his Dissenters Sayings , both together ; And that , if they will be quiet , he has as large a Field before him t'other way . It was no little surprize to the Honest and Loyal Church-of - England men to observe their Religion ; and to the Clergy of London , to find themselves brought into the Field , and to be concern'd in the t'other way . 2. The First Note I shall make upon This Paragraph ( after my Thanks for the [ Ingenious Author ] must be This , That it is a Paper , Representative of the Honest , and Loyal Church-of-England-men , and the Clergy of London , ( at least if we may take the Printers Word for 't in the First Page ) which Imports a Complaint in Their Names , of Injurys done to Them , and Their Religion , by the Ingenious Observator . It is now to be Hop'd , that we shall have Fair Dealing in the rest of the Clause : For Otherwise the Church of England will have Juster Cause of Exception to her Advocate for his Vindication , then to the Observator for his Calumny . In the Second Place , we shall Confront the References with the Originalls ; and see how the Observators Words , and the Considerers Inferences will Hang together . [ I am Resolv'd ( says the Observator ) not to Intermeddle in Past Controversies without Fresh , and Publique Provocation to 't ; [ Or where the Uindication of the Government shall Naturally Require it . ] I shall Bury Forty One , and my Dissenters Sayings Both together . [ And That Story shall never see the Light more , 'till the Republicans , or the Dissenters Themselves , shall by some Future Act of Open Disobedience force Some of Those Instances out of their Graves again . ] Compare the Citation now with the Text , and you will finde the Periods Maim'd , and the Omissions Totally in favour of the Dissenters ; Nay , the Conditions of my Forbearance , Broken by an Open Rebellion ; and the very Violation of Those Conditions Smother'd , and Suppress'd . Here are Three Divided Sentences Tack'd into One ; and when he has Disjoynted My Connexion , he mightily mistakes my Meaning . After the Words [ Both together ] he takes a Leap of allmost Fifty Lines to That Passage [ If they will be Quiet , &c. ] Which , in the Observator runs Thus. [ Obs. Prethee hold thy self Contented , Trimmer . Either the People I have had to do withall , Will be Quiet , or they will Not be Quiet . If they will Not , there 's work enough That way Cut out , Ready to my hand : But ] if they Will be Quiet , I have as Large a Field before me T'OTHER WAY ; [ And I shall be as Ready to Celebrate the Miracle of their Loyalty and Conversion , as ever I was to set forth the History of their Ingratitude , and Disobedience . ] I must here Observe , that he has First left out One Point of the Dilemma ; and 2ly , Cut off , Short of the Explication of the Other Point : Under which Ambiguity , and Imperfection , he turns [ 'TOTHER WAY ] upon the Church-of-England-men , and the London-Clergy , when the Words were most Explicitely Spoken , and Intended of the Republicans , and Phanatiques : And the Short English of them no more then This : If they will Not be Quiet , I 'le Expose them ; but if they Will be Quiet , I 'le Commend them . 3. When the Clergy of the City , under the Conduct of their Right Reverend Diocesan , had presented an Humble Address , in the Sincerity of their Hearts , to His Sacred Majesty , with their humble thanks for his Gracious assurance to defend Our Religion : As they could not think the Phrase Our Religion , liable in it self to any just exceptions ; so of all men living , could not they have supposed , that this Author , who had before treated them with Respect , and had been so treated by them , should all o' th' suddain , without any provocation , or observing the Law he had before offer'd even to the Dissenters , fall unmercifully upon that little Phrase , and those that innocently used it ; as if there had been a secret reserve in it ; and that under the Cant ( as he is pleased to term it ) of the Protestant Religion , the Reformed Religion , and Our Religion , there was intended a Cover for All Religions but Popery . An inference very wide and extravagant , since tho Our Religion had not been followed ( as it was ) with Established by Law ; yet the Address being presented by such a Body of men , as the City Clergy , and referring to His Majesties Declaration , where he was pleased Graciously to assure us of the care he would take to defend the Church so Established ; all mistake in that matter was sufficiently prevented . 3. There are a Great many Hard Words given to the Observator in This Clause ; Principalities , and Powers Call'd into the Party ; and upon the Whole Matter , a Body can hardly fancy the Character of a Worse Man : But yet for the sake of Two or Three Lines there , I have Good Nature enough to Forgive All the Rest. [ Of All men Living ( says the Considerer ) they could not have Supposed that This Author , who had before Treated them with Respect ; and had been so Treated by them , should [ all o' th' SUDDEN , &c. ] Now This Passage , has in a Great Measure Unveil'd the Mystery ; and laid Open the very Root of All the Following Misunderstandings . Alas ! I was a Protestant ; a Person in Credit , and Treated with Respect , 'till This Unlucky [ All o' th' Sudden ] Spoil'd my Market , and Shipwrackt my Religion , and my Reputation , both at a Gust . I was , in One Word , a Very Honest Man , and a Good Protestant ; a True Son of the Church , and a Loyal Subject to his Majesty , 'till the Three and Twentieth of February Last past ; which was the Precise Date of the Bloudy Observator that has wrought me all this Woe . There was No Notice taken as yet , of the Story of my Massing-it at Somerset-House 1680. Not a Word said , of my Siding with the Loyal Papists at Worcester , against the Rebellious Pretended Protestants there , in my Observators of May , 1683. No Talk as yet of Modalities , and Accommodations ; though I gave the World more Pretence for it in Eighty One , then ever I did since : But now [ All o' th' Sudden ] I 'm a Papist ; a Renegade , &c. And All , long of That Vnpardonable Observator . Vol. 3. Num. 7. Wherefore I cannot do better then Remit my self to That very Paper , and leave the World to Iudge , upon an Equal Hearing , whether of the Two is the more to Blame , the Considerer , or the Observator . Only One Word by the way , to the Articles of my Charge . First , I am made a Ridiculer of the Address of the London-Clergy ; for the Phrase , of [ Our Religion . ] Notwithstanding 2ly , [ His Majesties Gracious Assurance to Defend [ Our Religion . ] And 3ly , Notwithstanding the Dignity of the Presenters , and the Solemnity of Presenting it , I make it no better then [ a Cant ; and as if there were some Secret Reserve in 't : ] To this I say , First ; that the Considerer Cannot Apply the Descant upon [ Our Religion ] to the London-Clergy without making them Schismatiques . Neither does the Address run in the Style of [ Our Religion ; ] but [ Our Religion , Establisht by Law. ] 2ly , Neither is it the Phrase of his Majesties Declaration it self . The Words being These [ I shall make it my Endeavour to Preserve This Government both in Church and State ; as it is now by Law Establish'd . ] 3ly , The Words [ Cant , ] and [ Secret Reserve ] are Appropriated , and Restrain'd , so Inseparably , to the Schismatiques , that All the Force in the World cannot draw from them Any Other Meaning : So that Either the Whole Charge falls to the Ground ; or he Confounds the Church , with the Schism . Beside , that the Cavil Amounts to no more then a Bare Supposition , or the Fiction of a Case , where the Observator is made to Condemn a Thing that was Not ; but might possibly have been ; which Casts the Pretended Censure quite out of doors . These Calumnys however , are Inculcated Over and Over , to make the Impression Sink the Deeper : But the Merits of the Cause will be Best Try'd by the Observator it self . As for Example . [ The Winds from All the Points of the Compass , never wrought so much Mischief to This Island in bringing the Sea upon us , as Liberty of Conscience has done , in the More Destructive Inundations of an Unbounded Schism ; And they have gotten a Trick too , of Covering All Religions but Popery , under the Cant of the Protestant Religion ; the Reformed Religion , and Our Religion ( which is a Mighty Bus'ness I warrant ye . ) Now let Ten Thousand Millions of Mouths Open as many Several Ways to the Tune of Our Religion ; and That same [ Our Religion ] looks East , West , North and South ; Answers the Whole Cry , and Stops Every Mouth of ' em . Pray Observe now , that under This Generality , and Blind , the Common People are so far Impos'd upon , as to take Every man for a Papist that will not Subscribe to This Protestant This Reformed This Our Religion ; ; at Large , &c. Obs. Vol. 3. Num. 7. ] Here 's a Debate upon Liberty of Conscience ; The Danger of an Vnbounded Schism ; The Tricks the Schismatiques have got , of Cozening the Multitude under Generalities at Large , &c. Now do I Defy any man living , either to make This an Affront to the Canonical Addressers ; or to Clear Him of an Affront Himself , that takes upon him to Pronounce it One : And again , by way of Explanation upon the Word [ PROTESTANT . ] [ If you Speak of the Church-of-England , under the Care of Episcopal Governours ; And as it is by Law Establish'd , in Doctrine and Discipline , Give That Religion what Denomination you please , I 'm for it : But if you have a Secret Reserve to your self , of Comprehending Presbyterians , Independents , Anabaptists , and All the Other Sects that call Themselves Protestants , for Protesting against Popery , I am not of That Protestant Religion . Ibid. ] Neither do I take it to be Any Proof of a True Religion , barely to Protest against a False One : For That may be the Case , of only Combating the Errors of One Religion with the more Enormous Impieties of a Thousand Worse . Ibid. ] And yet once again . [ There 's the Same Snare under the Word [ Reform'd , ] as under [ Protestant , ] and as much need of Explaining it , Least , when a man thinks to Declare for the Constitution , he be Drawn-in ( as it was in the One-and-Forty-Protestation ) by an Exposition Ex post facto , to an Engagement for the Schism : But then comes [ OUR Religion , ] that ( without some Explicit Limitation or Restriction ) raises a very Hubub ; Fires the Beacons , and takes in Turks , Jews , and Gentiles , into the Comprehension . Why Our Religion is Any Religion All Religions , ; or No Religion at all ; Especially out of so many Mouths , of as many Several Minds ; And therefore Religion , is not a Thing to be Tristed with at This Dark , Dubious , and Unintelligible Rate , without Fixing some Mark , Name , or Appellation upon it ; And therefore let 'em either say Our Popish Religion , or Our Phanatical Religion ; or [ Our Religion Establish'd by Law , and a body knows where to have 'em : But to Set-up a Hundred False Religions , in a Protestation to Oppose One ; And then to make One True Religion out of a Hundred Contradictions , is to Erect a Multitude of Gods , and to set-up Altar against Altar ; And on the Other hand to Extract a Compound of TRUTH , out of a Confusion of Errors . Ibid. ] I shall now Compare the Text with the Comment ; And leave it fairly to the Reader , to Try if he can Reconcile them . Here 's First ; Liberty of Conscience . 2ly , An Vnbounded Schism . 3ly , The Imposture of Generalities . 4ly , So many Mouths , so many Minds . 5ly . Secret Reserves , for a Cover to All the Phanatical Sects . 6ly , A Hundred False Religions , and Contradictions . Here 's the Text ; And All This ( says the Considerers Comment ) is Intended for a Lash at Unity , Uniformity , Express Articles , Orders , and Constitutions : Apostolical Agreement , Orthodox Ministers , and Canonical Obedience ; Harmony of Confession , &c. In fine ; Heaven and Earth may be as soon brought together as These Oppositions : Nor could These Illusions ever have Pass'd upon Any Other Age then This. Nay ; And it is not all , that the Edge Cuts only upon the Schism , but to put the Matter past the very Possibility , ( as a body would think ) of a Misconstruction , there are I know not how many Savings of Honour and Respect , to the very Case in Question , wherein I Declare my self Abundantly Satisfy'd with ( as it falls out ) the very Terms , and Qualifications of the Address : i.e. [ Establish'd by Law. ] 4. But let that Phrase fare as it will , and our Reverences also be despised with it ( tho' we did as little deserve , as expect it from him ) yet we think our worthy Diocesan , that for the Loyalty , as well as the Nobility of his Family , deserves so well of the publick ; and for his Zeal for , and constancy in our Religion ( for we shall still make bold to use that Phrase ; especially , since we have no less than the Parliament of our Neighbour Nation to justify us in it ) deserves so well at Our , at His , and at all Church of England mens hands , might have been spared , and that his Lordship might have been used with other than a Comical Respect . A contempt so intolerable to us , who have for ten years felt the happy effects of his prudent Government , that our otherwise respected Author must pardon us , if we cannot so easily forgive the publick wrong done to that ever to be honoured Person , or suffer it with the same patience we bear our own . 4. The Considerer , in This Tragi-Comical Paragraph , has done [ Our Otherwise Respected Author ] a kindness that a man would have done a Dog. First , to give him a Flap over the Mouth with a Fox-Tayle : And then in the Same Breath , to Arraign him for Libelling so Reverend , and so Eminent a Prelate : When the very Calling of That Observator , a Libell , ( as I have shew'd already ) is a most Intolerable Libell it self : For it Touches not the Least Hair of any man's Head , that is not a Schismatique : But I am to be made a Papist ; and This must be done , by Preparing the way to One Calumny , by Another ; The Contempt of the Clergy , is a Step to the Forsaking of the Church . I would not Believe Worse of This , or These , Man , or Men of Consideration , then He or They Deserve ; for their Own Sakes ; nor Better , for the Churches sake , because it is not Generous to Murder a man in an Embrace : So that I 'le e'en Stop Short , without so much as Guessing , out of what Quiver This Arrow comes . There are Some Strokes here , I must Confess , that have much of the Air in 'em of the Epistle Dedicatory to [ The Obserbator Prov'd a Trimmer , ] where the Church it Self was Notably Topt upon , as well as the Observator ; and I cannot Look upon the One , without Thinking of the Other . It is a Figure much us'd of late , to Cover a Scandal , or an Invective , under the Masque of a Panegyrique : As for Instance . To the Most Reverend , Right Reverend , and Reverend Clergy of the Church of England , By Law Establisht . My Lords ! And Venerable Sirs ! AS these Animadversions are made Publick without the least Malice to the Person of the Observator , or design to gratifie any Faction , or undervalue any Services his Papers may have heretofore done the Church or State ; But to Rectifie certain things which he has lately advanced , that may ( if they pass uncontrouled ) prove injurious to the Honour and Interest of both ; so they address not to you for Protection , any further than your Justice and Piety is always wont to favour Truth . And therefore ( humbly cast at your feet ) are submitted to your grave and impartial Considerations and Censure ; as being under God and His Majesty , the Watchful Overseers , whose especial Concern it is ( in your several Stations ) to take Care Ne quid detrimenti Capiat Ecclesia . Here 's [ No Malice now to the Person of the Observator , or Design to Vndervalue Any Services his Papers may have heretofore done the Church or State , &c. ] This is the Civility of the Epistle ; and the Considerer , at the Bottom of Page . 3. comes not an Ace behind him , in the Point of Courtesy . [ We will Allow ( says he ) This Worthy Gentleman All the Deference his Parts , and Pen do Deserve , &c. ] I must not Slip One Note here ; that All the Adversaries of the Observator , were Friends to That Pamphlet ; and Forgave it All the Reproches it cast upon the Church for the Good Will it had towards Me : Beside a Hundred Shams and Forgeries , over and above , that were Cast-In to the Composition . There were no Complaints Advanc'd in That Case , for Abusing of Diocesans , though the whole Hierarchy was Trickt upon and Ridicul'd : Anabaptists , Millenaries , Presbyterians , Independents , All , Engag'd in the Compiling of it : And Care the Ammanuensis to Hand it over to the Press . But to Proceed . 5. And yet its likely for the seaven or eight and forty years Service done by this Author ( as he professeth ) to a Protestant Church ; and for a better reason which our Religion teacheth us , all this would have been buried in Silence , and the World had never heard more of it from us , were there not a farther reason behind , that requires our appearance in this way , and which we cannot dissemble and neglect without being false to Our Religion , that we solemnly profess'd to His Majesty , to be dearer to us than our Lives . 5. At the End of the Foregoing Clause , the Representative-Considerer Flatters me in the Name of the London-Clergy , that They might have Forgiven me perhaps , if it had not been for [ the Publique Wrong done , &c. ] And now in This Clause , I might have been Forgiven even That , it seems , too , if they could but have done it without being False to their Religion . We shall come by and by , to Examine This Vnpardonable Wickedness : But in the Mean Time , by the Considerers leave , It was not [ Our Religion ] ( as he renders it ) but Our Religion Establish'd by Law ] which They Represented to his Majesty , to be Dearer to them then their Lives . I must not here Pass over the Unfairness of his Citation , out of Observator . 10. Where the Point in Question was the Charitable Contemplation of the Possibility of a Re-union betwixt the Two Churches , without any Proposals towards it . Nay , ( says the Observator ) We 'le Suppose an Inadvertency ; and that my Pen had Slipt : Faith betwixt Christian Charity , on the One hand , and Flesh and Bloud on the Other ; Methinks [ Seaven or Eight and Forty Years [ Constant ] Service of a Protestant Church ] might have Compounded for so humane , and so Good-Natur'd an Error . Obs. Vol. 3. No. 10. ] Would Any man have Thought now , that the Modesty , and Resignation of This Passage , could have been Emprov'd into the Semblance of Vanity , and Ostentation ? 6. That Religion , we say , now Established by Law , in opposition , both to Fanatacism and Popery ; and from the Opposition it bears to the last of which , is called , more especially , the Protestant and Reformed . 6. If the Protestant Religion , Established by Law , stands in Opposition to Phanaticism , ( as the Considerer says it does ) the Phanatiques are No Protestants : Neither are They properly , of the English Reformed Religion , if they be not Lawfull Members of the English Communion . Now the Distinction of Protestant and Reformed , does only Denote that we are Not Papists , without Any Particular Account of what we Are ; or under What Protestant , or Reformed Classis we Range our selves : And therefore I am against the Generality of the Appellation ; because of the Infinite Diversities of Errors , and Contradictions , that Shelter Themselves under That Cover . The Rebellious Sohismatiques of Forty One , Appeal'd to the [ Protestants Abroad , ] and to the [ Reformed Churches beyond the Seas . ] The Traytors that have Suffer'd Death in Our Late Conspiracies , and Rebellions , Usurped upon the same Denomination and Profession : And in a Word ; The Common Application , and the Promiscuous Vse of the same Terms , Indifferently , by Both Parties , Cuts the Throat of One Protestant Religion with Another . I do not Insist upon Strictnesses , and Criticisms ; But I reckon it a Thing much to be Wish'd , since the Confounding of the Church - Protestants , and the True - Protestants , ( so Call'd ) is of so Pernicious a Consequence to the Government , that they may be Differenc'd , One from Another , in the very Style , by some Note of Discrimination . As for the Purpose ; I am of the Protestant , of the Reformed Religion , says a Canonical Church-man : And so am I too , says Every Mouth of the Schism ; and so it holds T'other way , Vice Versâ , which looks as if Those Within the Pale , and Those Without , were All One. To Conclude , [ Establish'd by Law ] Sets All Right , and Solves All Difficulties . 7. But if the Case betwixt the Church of England and Rome , betwixt Popery and those that have Reformed from it , be as this Ingenious Person has ( unwittingly we hope ) represented it , Our Lives may well be dearer to us than our Religion : And if we will yet profess Our Religion to be dearer to us , than our Lives ; it must either be perverse Obstinacy , or gross Delusion , egregious Folly , or lewd Hypocrisy . 7. Here 's more Holy-water , yet . [ This Ingenious Person has ( Unwittingly , we hope , &c. ) so Desperately Mis-Stated the Case , betwixt the Two Churches , that it has Turn'd the Preference T'other way , and made our Lives Dearer to us then Our Religion . ] I wish he had Omitted the [ Perverse Obstinacy , Egregious Folly , and Lewd Hypocrisy : ] For I am persuaded , if we look'd well about us , we might find Some Persons of That Iudgment , that Think Themselves in the Right in 't : And Others , that are neither Fools , nor Hypocrites ; nor to be Expos'd to the World under That Character : But he has now laid his Finger upon the Sore ; and upon the Sin that is never to be Forgiven . And yet after All These Mortal Errors , Transgressions , and Pompous Aggravations , he does Himself Clear me , in the very Next Paragraph ( and in the Name of the Church-of-England still ) of Every Article of my Charge : And in That , and the Following Clause , he comes-up to the Uttermost Syllable of what I ever said : Insomuch , that He who but Just now made me such an Apostate , that he could not Forbear Writing against me without being False to his Religion , is now Iudicially Wrought upon , by an Over-Ruling Impulse , to do me Iustice , in an Express Confirmation of the Truth of My Opinions , and in as Point-Blanck a Contradiction to the Profession of his Own : So that the Next Two Clauses , are Kind in Several Respects : And in regard of the Connexion and Dependence , One upon Another , we 'le take 'em Both together . 8. We will allow to this worthy Gentleman , all the deference his Parts and his Pen do deserve . We allow him to be what he professeth , A Catholick of the Church of England , or a Church of England Protestant . We allow him not to forget the Christian , the Generous , and the Friendly Obligations , that many of the Roman Catholiques have laid upon him . Lastly , Let us allow that there are some points in the Church of Rome , wherein , tho we differ in Modalities and Terms , we agree yet in the same meaning . And that there are some other points , wherein the matter is capable of such Condescentions and Abatements , as both sides might very well close upon , with a just deference to Christ●●● Charity , and without offence to the Catholique Faith : Yet after all these Concessions , we do most certainly believe , and seriously affirm , that there are many other points , in which neither Modalities and Terms , do make the difference ; nor is the matter capable of such Condescentions and Abatements , as both sides might well close upon , without offence to the Catholique Faith. 9. That is , there are many things , they hold , and we do deny ; such again as we hold , and they do deny , that with all the Condesentions and Abatements can never be Accomodated ; nor we with all the Christian Charity be reconciled ; unless we are so base as against Truth and Reason , to go over in those points wholly to them , or Almighty God shall open their Eyes , so to discern it , that they come fully over to us . 8. 9. I must be very Copious now , upon This Subject , to be very Clear : And it is Certainly worth my while too , when the Stress that 's laid upon the Cause in hand , is made , not only Matter of Life and Death ; but of Heaven and Hell too : For if ever we live to see the second Part of Otes'es Plot , there will be both Hanging , aud Damning too , in the Case . In the First Place he Allows me to be [ a Catholique of the Church-of-England , or a Church-of-England Protestant , ] which will hardly Consist , with his making me afterward , more then Half a Papist . Now if he had Intended Candidly , and an Impartial Iustice , upon the Question about My Religion ; there was enough in the Paragraph of Obs. 6. Vol. 3. whence he took This , to have Answer'd That Point beyond All Controversy : But his Bus'ness was to Bring me On , not to Bring me Off : And so I must e'en do That Right for My self , which He would not do for me . The Words of the Citation , in Connexion , are These . [ Trim. 'T would be a great deal more Generous , to Own , and to Declare your self a Papist , to the Whole World , then to lye Wriggling In and Out thus , betwixt Two Religions . Obs. Why then once for all , Trimmer , I am a CATHOLIQVE , and the very Same Catholique that I have Ever been , and ever Profess'd my self to Be : That is to say , a Catholique of the Church of England . Though I am well enough Content , to Own my self a Protestant too , according to the Best Acceptation of the Word , Improperly Speaking , and no Otherwise . That Religion , which I Own'd , and Process'd upon the Sacrament to the Reverend Dr ▪ Ken , at the Hague ; ( Now Lord Bishop of Bath and Wells ) when I was forc'd to run away from a Pack of Forsworn Miscreants here , that would have made a Papist of me ; That very Religion do I Declare my self to be of , at This Day ; and that I never put Pen to Paper , throughout the Whole Course of this Pretended Plot , in Justification of the Papists , with any Regard to their Religion , but out of the very Indignation of my Soul , to see an Outcry against Popery , on the One Hand , made a Cover for a Republican , and Phanatical Rebellion , on the Other ; To see the Church of England Struck-at , in That Popery ; and Every man that did but Talk like a Christian , a Good Subject , or an Honest Man , to be presently Stigmatiz'd for a Papist ; to see Common Malefactors , and Prostitute Hirelings , set-up for the Saviours of a Church , and a State ; and Gain Credit , by Kissing the Outside of a Bible , without Believing One Syllable of the Contents : To see Three Kingdoms half-Eaten-up by Catch-Poles ; the Lives , and Estates of Men of Honour , Sacrific'd to the Rabble ; and what with Starving Projects , and Bills of Exclusion , the Late King , and the Royal Family , Treated Little Better then the Meanest Subjects : Neither , in the Presence of God , was I ever Transported by any Partialities of Prepossession , into so much as One Thought of Bitterness , against the Dissenters , any further , then as upon Knowledge , and Sure Experience , I was Convinc'd ( as I am at This Instant ) that the Schism is only a Conspiracy , and a League against the Government under the Masque of Religion : If you Doubt of This , I can Summon ye above a Hundred and Fifty of their Own Doctors , to Verify this Opinion . I have no Interest in this Declaration , but to Deliver the Truth , and Simplicity of my very Heart ; and to Confound the Malice of All Slanderers , Impostors , and Gain-sayers . ] The Question upon the Matter here before us , is Briefly This ; Not whether the Ingenious Worthy Man of Parts , be a Protestant , or a Papist ; but whether he be a Christian or no : Nay a Pagan would not have made so Bold with his Idol , as I have , upon This Occasion , with my Maker ; if I have not here Deliver'd the Truth , without Guile , or Reserve . And I am Mistaken too , if the Charity of Believing me , be not as much a Christian Duty , on the One Hand , as the Sincerity of the Protestations I have here made , is on the Other . In his Next Citation out of Obs. 10. He passes over These Words at the Beginning of the Same Period . [ Though I am not of the Religion of the Roman Catholiques ] I can never forget , &c. ] The Considerer , I perceive , had much rather make the world believe that I am a Papist , then Cite Any Declarations , or Oaths of Mine , to the Contrary ; And yet now [ All o' th Sudden ] he comes Over to me ; and we Agree , like Two Tallys : Unless it be , that He Out-does me , even in my Own Proposition : For he speaks Positively , both to the [ Some Points ; ] and to the [ Some Other Points ; ] To which I only put my Naked Belief : But the Surest way is to Referr to the Text it self . [ There are Some Points in the Church of Rome , wherein [ I veryly Believe ] though we Differ in Modalities and Terms , we Agree yet in the Same Meaning . There are some Other Points wherein [ I do As veryly Believe ] the Matter Capable of Such Condescentions , and Abatements , as Both sides might very well Close upon , with a Just Deference to Christian Charity , and without Offence to the Catholique Faith. Obs. Num. 6. Vol. 3. ] Let Any man Compare the Considerer now , upon This Point with the Observator ; and he shall find them to be Both so perfectly of a Mind , upon the Desperate Doctrine of Modalities , and Accommodable Differences , in [ Some Points , ] and in [ Some Other Points ] that they Agree in the very Same Words , and Syllables : But there are Many Other Points , he says , wherein the Matter is Not Capable of such Condescentions and Abatements , &c. ] This he says , § . 8. But then within Two or Three Lines After , in § 9. He Qualifies the Matter , and Vnsays it again ; Though he 's at Variance with Himself too , in That very Section . He pronounces Peremptorily , that All the Condescentions and Abatements , or All the Christian Charity in the World , will do no Good , in Many Cases : But then he brings himself off , with an [ VNLESS we are so Base , as against Truth and Reason , to go over in Those Points wholly to Them ; or Almighty God shall open Their Eyes , to Discern it that they come fully over to us . ] That is to say Those Points can Not be Accommodated ; unless it pleases God that they May be Accommodated : And I could Wish now , that Those Points had been Nam'd , which he says [ We Hold , ] and [ They Deny . ] But to speak more Expressly to his Ninth Section ; I wou'd fain know , if the very Words of the Observator , Vol. 3. Num. 10. do not Import the Self Same Conception , and Vnderstanding of the Matter with what He Delivers . i.e. . [ It is not Expos'd as the Project of a Thing Probable ; but in a Charitable Contemplation of the Possibility of it , by a Providential Removal of Those Passions , and Prejudices that Hinder the Agreement . ] He goes now forward , to Deny in the Next Paragraph , what he has Admitted in This. 10. This is truly the Matter in question . It is not , whether there be not Truth as well as Error in the case : and the one may not then be separated from the other ( as this Gentleman mistakes ; ) but whether there be not in the Doctrine of that Church which we oppose , Error without Truth ; and whether the main matters in dispute betwixt Church and Church , which the one faith is Truth , and the other saith is Error , be capable of such condescentions and abatements as both sides might well close upon , &c. And that for example , the Church of Rome , which requires Purgatory to be believed under an Anathema ; and the Church of England , which saith , it 's a fond thing , vainly invented , &c. can be reconciled without those that hold , it is a fond thing vainly invented , do make it an Article of their Faith , or those that hold it an Article of their Faith , do declare it 's a fond , a vain , and a false thing . 10. This Paragraph , I must Confess , is too Hard for me : For I cannot Conceive , why the Superstructure of Error upon Truth , may not as well be Taken - off , as it was Laid - on : For it is not be Imagin'd , that Error and Truth can be so Incorporated , as to become Inseparable . When I speak of Error , and Truth in the Case , it is to be Understood , with a Respect to the Points in Difference betwixt the Two Churches : And whether it be Error Without Truth , or Error Accompany'd With Truth , 't is as Broad as 't is Long. That , indeed , which the One says is Truth , and the Other says is Error , can never be Reconcil'd , so long as Both Parties Adhere to That Opposition ; for that were to suppose Error , and Truth to be all One. But [ His VNLESS ; ] and [ My PROVIDENTIAL REMOVAL ] takes That Rubb out of the Way . 11. An Accommodation in such a case is Impracticable : For ( as our Author well observes upon another occasion ) it imports an agreement of two divided Chuches in the very state of their disagreement ; where not the passions and prejudices of men , but the Nature of the things , hinder the Agreement ; and so spoils the Philosophy of a charitable contemplation about the possibility of it . 11. 'T is very True ; that an Accomodation ( as he says ) is Impracticable , where it is Impossible ; And it is no less True , that it is Impossible , so long as People that are of Differing Persuasions , Continue in That Hostile State of Disagreement : But Change of Mind removes That Obstacle ; And the Grace of Almighty God ( as He Himself Confesses in the Former Page ) may work that Change of Mind . Now here 's no Change all this while , in the Nature of the Thing , but in the Opinion of it : Truth and Error are the Same still that they were before ; And I know very well , that 't is Impossible to make Truth to be Error , or Error to be Truth : But what 's This to the Passions , and Prejudices of Men , that may be Taken-up , or Lay'd-down , allmost at Pleasure ? The Inconciliable Opposition of Vice , and Virtue , does not at all hinder , but that Men of Profligate Lives , and Vicious Habits , may yet Reclaim , and become Virtuous . Ambition , Avarice , Cruelty , and Oppression , can never be Transform'd into the Opposite Uirtues : But Men that are Addicted to Those Vices may Cast their Skins ▪ & Pass-over into the Love , and Practice of Humility , Moderation , Tenderness , Compassion , without a Miracle . And it were Hard , Otherwise ; If ( according to the Sense of my Expositors , ) the most Necessary Duties of a Christian ; That is to say , Repentance and a New Life , should be Render'd only the Charitable Contemplation of a thing Impossible . This is a Doctrine , that seems to Me , ( with Submission to be better Enform'd ) to Block-up the way , and to Preclude the Means , even of Salvation it self : For if All men Living have their Errours , and their Failings ; And , when they are once Out of the Way , if there be no getting Back ; How miserable is the Condition of Mankind , that stands Condemn'd , at the same Time , to Inevitable Frailties , and to Vnpardonable Mistakes ! I will Allow all the Stress that can be lay'd upon the most Potent Obstructions to This Blessed End ; As the Affectation of Power , and Dominion ; The Charms of Glory , and of Secular Interest ; Or the Prepossessions of Education . These Impressions make the Matter Difficult ; But not Insuperable , and Vtterly Impossible : Especially ( As the Considerer says ) [ If Allmighty God shall Vouchsafe to Open the Eyes of the Deceived , so as to make them Discern Truth and Reason ; ] Or in the Words of the Observaor , in case of [ A Providential Removal of Those Passions , and Prejudices , that Hinder the Agreement . ] This is the Possibility that I Contemplate : And I take the Considerers [ ALLMIGHTY GOD ] and the Observators [ PROVIDENCE ] to Intend One and the Same Power . 12. This is the Case we except against , and which we shall now proceed to the consideration of ; not that we declare , to lessen the esteem of this Author ( whom we do honour for his Ingenuity and Industry , and his other Accomplishments worthy of a Gentleman and a Scholar ) but to Vindicate our Church , and to preserve our People from the Infection of such Doctrine ; which how good-natured soever it may be in the design , cannot but be mischievous and pernicious in the consequents . 12 I must needs put the same Complement , in this case , upon the Considerer , that an Italian Prince put upon a Gentleman that gave him a Lift to Help him into the Saddle . He was a Light Person of a Man : And the Other Threw him quite over his Horse : The Prince got up again ; And , with his Cap in his hand , Sr , ( says he ) the One Halfe of This Courtesy would have done My Bus'ness . In like manner , I would have Compounded , with the Considerer , with all my heart , for his Civilities to the [ Gentleman ] and the [ Scholar , ] if he would but have Excus'd me from the Infamy of a Defamer of the Charch , and a Spreader of Infectious Doctrines . I do not speak This , [ to Lessen the Esteem of the Author ; ] but purely to Preserve my Self from the Consequences of so Infectious a Calumny : And a Calumny , ( for ought yet appears , ) without Any Foundation . The Clause runs in the Style of [ WE Except against ] WE Declare ] WE do Honour ] OVR Church ] and OVR People : ] So that the Censure falls little short of an Anathema , for it appears here to be Publish'd , as out of the Mouth of the Church it Self . And what 's my Crime at last now but the Poor Innocent Observator of Feb. 23. Last Past ? For my [ Modalities , ] & All that Train of True-Protestant Clamours , and Scruples are Approv'd , and Allow'd of by Himself , to a Single Tittle . We shake hands too , in the Possibilities of Things : And I do not hear of so much as One Syllable added to my Charge , upon this Subject . So that upon the Main ; the Whole Mystery of My Iniquity is Wrapt up in the Gall , and Venom of Those Two Words [ OVR RELIGION . ] There 's Popery , there 's Heresy ; there 's Scandal ; There 's Insolence , and In Manners in 'em ; For till That Malevolent Minute , All was Well ; And the Lashing of the Schismatiques , for the Scandal , and the Ruine that they have brought , both upon the Church and the State , by the Equivocal , and Squinting Use they have made of Those Two General Words , is the Only Sin , for ought I can see , that I have here to Answer for . The Considerer Himself Dates the Quarrel from that Moment : He Founds it upon That Bottom : And when All is done , he has given me a Discharge under his Own Hand . 13. Our Author is pleased to affirm , That the Principles of the Papists are known and certain . A proposition which cannot be universally true , since they are far from an agreement even in such points as are of the greatest importance for them to agree in . Such is that of Infallibility , which whether it be in the Pope without a Council , or a Council without the Pope , or Pope and Council , or the Church Diffusive , they cannot agree nor determine . But supposing , that their Principles are known and certain , where may we expect to find them , if not in their Councils , General and Provincial ; in their Canons and Decrees , in their allow'd Catechisms and solemn Professions of Faith , in their publique Offices and approved Comments on Scripture ? but if these be not admitted , we must despair of satisfaction , and have reason to conclude , their Principles are neither known nor certain . 13. He referrs Himself here , to an Affirmation of mine , out of Observator Vol. 3. Num. 9. Where ( according to his Custom ) he Draws a Citation out of the Middle of the Period . My words are These [ Such an Union with Papists as you seem to Propose with Protestants , holds no Proportion at all with the Question in hand . First , as Their Principles are Known and Certain The Other Unnaccountable , and Uagabond ] ; And so afterward ; [ The One Supposes a Doctrinal Union ; And the Other Demands a Political , &c. ] Now there is a Great Difference , betwixt a Positive , and a Comparative Affirmation : So that he puts the Case upon the Stretch , to make it the Former : Though 't is the Same thing to Me , whether it be the One , or the Other ; for I 'm Right , Both ways , as to My Purpose . If their Principles be Not Known and Certain , there 's One Stabbing Argument against the Papists fall'n to the Ground . That is to say , the Involving of the People of That Persuasion , to the Last Man of 'em , in the Common Principle of Destroying ( as they call them ) Heretical Princes : For the Recaptacle of Infallibility , is a Point ( as he says , p. 6. ) that is not as yet Agreed , or Determin'd among Themselves : But if they Bee Known , and Certain ; I have nothing more to say . Neither is it One Jot to the Bus'ness of That Observator , which Respects only the Disparity betwixt Vniting in Matters of Doctrine with men of Another Religion ; and Vniting with men that pretend to be of Our Own Religion , in Political Maxims , and Positions , which are Subversive of the Civil State. 14. As for the Doctrine of the Church of England , we can freely declare it to be known and certain . The sum of what we hold , is drawn up in Nine and Thirty Articles , explained in one and Twenty Homilies , & the way of our Worship exhibited in our Liturgy . From hence we shall therefore collect our Materials , and , according to the method of our Articles , compare Doctrine with Doctrine , Church with Church ; by which we doubt not but to make the Opposition between them so evident , that both sides will agree , that the Church of England is one thing and the Church of Rome another ; and , as they are at present , no more capable of being , one , than Truth and Error can be the same . In order to which we shall premise . 14. This looks , as if the Observator had stood-up For the Principles of the Papists , Against the Doctrine of the Church-of - England , and , Consequently , Extorted from the Vnwilling Author , These Papers , in Vindication of the Protestant Religion ; when yet the Observator has not Presum'd , in Any sort , or upon Any Occasion , to [ Touch the Ark ; ] but Kept himself within the Bounds of Political Remarques , and Disquisitions , in Order to the Service of the State , without Breaking-in upon the Offices , and Duties of the Reverend Clergy in Any Degree Whatsoever . Now I shall Easily Joyn with him , that [ the Church-of-England is One Thing , and the Church of Rome , Another : ] But it is yet as Possible that they may come to be One Again , as it was , before the Separation , that they should come to be Divided . I 'le break No Squares with him neither , upon This Point ; that [ as they are at present , they are no more Capable of being One , then Truth and Error can be the Same ; ] which is no more then to say , that White can never be Black , so long as 't is White ; nor Black , White , so long as 't is Black. But now though the Error , or the Vice can never Change Colour , the Offender may Quit an Ill Habit , and leave his Wickedness behind him ; And the most Mistaken Creature in the world , may be brought out of Darkness into Light : So that the Considerer might have sav'd himself the Labour of Iumbling Doctrines together , and Conferring Articles , upon Any Account , ( That is to say , of the Observators : ) For the Virtues of the Load-stone , or the Squaring of a Circle , would have been a Subject , Every jot as much to the Question in hand ( for any thing that I have to do in the Case ) as the Stating , and Ballancing the Doctrine of the Two Churches . 15. First , That there are some Articles which both Churches do in express Terms agree in ; viz Art. 1. of the Holy Trinity ; Art. 2. of the Word , or Son of God ; Art. 3. of the going down of Christ into Hell ; Art. 4. of the Resurrection of Christ ; Art. 5. of the Holy Ghost ; Art. 7. of the Old Testament ; Art. 8. of the Three Creeds ; Art. 12. of good works ; Art. 16. of sin after Baptism ; Art. 18. of obtaining eternal salvation only by the Name of Christ ; Art. 23. of ministring in the Congregation ; Art. 26. of the unworthiness of Ministers ; Art. 27. of Baptism ; Art. 33. of Excommunicate persons ; Art. 38. of Christian mens goods ; Art. 39. of a Christian mans Oath . Against these the Jesuit Iohan Roberti , hath little or nothing to object in his small Tract purposely written in opposition to our Articles , 16. But of these Articles it is to be observed , there are some which each party differs as much from the other in ( when they come to explain themselves ) as if there had been no agreement in Terms . Thus it happens in Articles , 3d , 7th , and 15 ; as shall afterwards be shewed . 15. 16. This Enumeration of Articles , is Nothing at all to Me , unless it can be made appear , that I have either Intermeddled in the Question , or Given Any Colourable Occasion for the Animadversion , in Any Manner Whatsoever . 17. 2ly . There are other Articles , wherein both Churches do agree in the sence , tho they differ in Terms ; or that are not so much Controversies between Church and Church , as between private Docters in each Church . Of this Opinion is a Learned Forreigner of the Reformed Religion , about the matter contained in Articles the 10th and 17th , of Free-will ; and of Predestination and Election . Of the former he saith , The difference that our Adversaries will object between them and us , upon this point of Free-will , is only imaginary , and a meer cavil . Of the latter he concludes ; Since we agree in the Fundamentalls of this Doctrine ( as we have already set forth ) ; and that our dissent is but with a few of their Doctors , it would not be very hard ( I should think ) to find out such a biass of Temperament , drawn from the Word of God , in proposing of these Opinions , and in Terms so proportioned to their sublimity ; as all humble and moderate Spirits would find sufficient for their satisfaction . 17. The Apology here-cited , was Translated by my self , and Published with my Name at length to 't , in 1681. The Considerer is pleas'd to give the Author of it , the Character of [ A Learned Forreigner of the Reformed Religion . ] How comes This [ Learned Forreigner , ] ( and so Call'd with a Respect to This very Piece ) to keep up His Reputation still , as a Professor of the Reformed Religion , and the Observator to be a Lost Man , to the Church of England , past all Remission , for not the Fiftieth part of the Liberty that the Other has taken ? Or rather , How comes a Protestant of Eighty-One , upon the very Same Foundation , to be made a Papist in Eighty-Five ? But the Partiality will be yet more Obvious , from the Project and the Title of That Apology : An Instance , which , perhaps I might have forgotten , if the Quotation had not brought it into my Mind . The Title , in French , and English , is as follows , [ Apologie pour les Protestans , Où l'Auteur justifie pleinement leur Conduite & leur separation de la Communion de Rome ; & PROPOSE des Moyens FACILES , & RAISONABLES , pour vne SAINTE , & Bien-heureuse REUNION ] i.e. [ An Apology for Portestants , wherein the Author fully Justifies their Proceedings , and Departure from the Church of Rome : With a Proposal of Means , EASY and REASONABLE , for a Holy and a Blessed REUNION . ] All that I did was barely to Contemplate a PROVIDENTIAL POSSIBILITY of it : Whereas Here 's a Point-Blank PROPOSAL , of the very Ways and Methods for the Attaining of that Happy End. In Fine : The Author of the Apology , tho' an Open , and a Profest Advocate for a Reunion , is highly Recommended and Approv'd ; While at the same time , the Charitable Speculation , but of the Possibility of it , is made a Mortal Sin in the Observator . The Three next Clauses run altogether upon the Topick of Rebus sic Stantibus . [ We do not Pray ( says the Considerer ) for Charities sake , to Err with those that Err , and to be Deceived with those that are Deceived , P. 10. ] But that it may please God to bring into the way of truth all such as have Erred and are Deceived ; and to strengthen such as do stand . And for This , We Beseech thee to Hear us , Good Lord. Ibid. ] This is very well now ; And no otherwise than just thus , do I understand the matter : nay I must have been a Stark fool , or a Mad-man , to have laid my self open to any other Construction : For I might as well pretend to Reconcile Heaven and Hell , as Truth and Error ; Sound Doctrine and Heresie . And I am Afraid , there has been more care taken to Puzzle my Meaning , than to Understand it , though I Hope that the Considerer has been rather Misled himself , than a Willing Misleader of others : For he is pleas'd to say in Another Place , [ The Project we Approve ; the Benefit of it is Apparent : But without this Renunciation , of these [ Abovementioned ] as well as many other Principles Destructive to such Vnion , and Society , we fear it is not Practicable , and that the Government , Our Religion , not to say , our selves , may as well be Ruin'd by Credulity , as Distrust . ] If it be a Laudable Project , 't is Well meant , and no hurt done in the Wish , though Accompanied with almost the Despair of seeing it put in practice ; And I am as much for the Renunciation of Destructive Principles , as the Considerer Himself ; And for making that Disclaimer , the Condition of the Agreement . As to the Hazard that may Befall the Government , [ our Religion ] and our Selves , as well by Credulity , as by Distrust ; the Danger is not so much in Each of them Singly , as in Both Together ; where Credulity towards a Faction , begets Fears and Iealousies of the Magistrate : But the Considerer follows This too , by Falling in with the Author of the Apology before Cited upon this very Text. [ We shall Conclude the Whole ( says he ) With what is said by a Moderate French Writer , Quoted before , viz. [ I would to God that Those of the Church of Rome had the same Tenderness for Vs , that we have for Them ; And that they would but Treat Vs with the like Openness , and Candor ; They would be then Easily satisfi'd , that we are no Enemies of a Reconciliation , if they would but take a step or two on their side to Meet us upon the way . ] But this can never be , so long as the Pope of Rome pretends , not only to be the Chief of the Order , but to Exercise an Arbitrary , and Absolute Power , as a Monarch in the Church ] &c. And so he goes on , Reckoning up a great many Errors in the Church of Rome , as Obstructions to a Reconciliation ; coming to this Result at Last . [ So long I say , as These and the Other like Abuses shall be Continued in the Church of Rome , People may make what Overtures they please : But there is no Vnion to be Expected betwixt Them and Vs. ] So that strike off the Abuses , and the Obstacle is Removed . Now whatever Misunderstandings have fall'n out upon the way , I cannot see , but that the Considerer , the Apologist , and the Observator , are all Three of the same Mind upon the Pinch of this Question , which is , that Men Continuing in Erroneous Oppositions upon the Subject of Religion , cannot Agree in the Truth ; And that without the Truth , There can be No Agreement . There is Another Touch upon the Observator about the Prerogative of the Deposing-Power . [ It is so far ( says the Considerer ) from being True , that [ Not one Papist in a Thousand is of the Persuasion that Princes may be Deposed , Obs. Vol. 3. N. 6. ] That more Probably , not one in a Thousand is against it ; and if any such be against it , it is with as much Inconsistence to the Principles of Their Church , as it is with the Principles of Our Religion to be for it . ] I must here Mind the Author of what he say in the 6th . Pag. that the Papists are not Agreed whether the Infallibility be Lodg'd in the Church Diffusive or not ; or Where it is Lodg'd ; And this Instance was us'd , to shew that in That Point , the Principles of the Papists are not Known and Certain : And if so ; this Inference will never hold , upon the Universality of that Principle : Nay He Himself gives an Instance even against Himself , in the same Page , where he Acknowledges , the Clergy of France did not long since Publish a Proposition : [ That the Pope had no Power in Civil and Temporal Affairs , and that Kings were Subject to no Ecclesiastical Power , nor can be Deposed , nor their Subjects be Absolved from their Allegiance . ] So that here 's a Foul Gap in the Principle already , to say nothing of our late Experiences ; For it is not my Zeal for the Papists , but the Veneration that I have for Truth , Honesty , and Common Iustice , that has engag'd me in this Controversie ; not forgetting what I owe to my self all this while , in the Common Cause . To summ up the Whole now in a Few Words ; The Sun is not Clearer , than it is , that my Writings have been Perverted ; The Connexion Mangled , and Disjointed ; My Opinions , and my Practices Misrepresented ; And that upon Pressing the several Parts of the Calumny , the Entire Structure falls to pieces . I will , in Charity , Believe , that the Considerer took his Citations upon Trust , Especially , in what Concerns the Address of the Reverend Clergy of the City of London : For the Phrase in General of Our Religion ; The Protestant Religion ; The Reformed Religion , is so strictly , and so Expresly Appropriated to the Protestant Dissenters , that it will not so much as bear an Allusion to Any thing else ; And I thought it very Reasonable , to Inculcate a Caution against Those Ambiguities , that have been so Pernicious to the Crown , and to the Church . Nay ! and at the same time , I have over , and over , Recommended the Bare Addition of [ Established by Law , ] as a short Remedy against a Thousand Inconveniencies , and Mistakes : And this is No Capriccio of my Own , neither ; For you will find it , the very Train , and Method , of Distinguishing the Friends of the Government from their Enemies : Look thorough All the Swarms of Seditions News Papers , Mercuries , Petitions , Addresses , and Other Libellous Discourses ; And You shall find e'm to run All , Unanimously , in the stile of Protestant , True Protestant , Reformed &c. and no [ Established by Law ] in One of a Thousand of them , Unless in the way of Raillery or Droll . Look on the Other hand into the Counter-Petitions , Addresses , &c. and you 'l hardly find the Protestant Religion in Any of them , without the Qualification of [ Establish'd by Law. ] 'T is the stile of His Majesties Declaration , and likewise of the London Address abovementioned : So that I am Charg'd for Skewing at them , for Words that they did not say , without the Supplement of the Laudable , and Needful Qualification . In the Business of the [ some , ] and [ some Other ] Accommodable Points , the Considerer , and the Observator have Iointly given Assent and Consent , And subscribed , in Terminis , to the very same Form. And so much for That . No sooner did the Noise , and Envy of This Calumny begin to Wear-off : But there was Another , Immediately started , worse then the Former ; Which was , a Current , and a Confident Report , spread all over the Kingdom , That the Observator had Dogmatically Deliver'd it , as from the Chair , [ That All Subjects were Bound to be of their Prince's Religion ; Now there was Nothing more in 't then This. In the Wednesday Paper of April 29. 1685. Num. 35. I was Handling the subject of a Popular Liberty of Conscience ; And how Inevitably it must Destroy the Order , and Polity of All societies ; And Iustifie the most Sanguinary , and Impious of Outrages ; When [ I am bound to Cut your Throat , upon One Point of Conscience , and You are bound to Cut Mine upon Another . ] From hence , I proceeded to Treat of the Conscience of the Magistrate , and the Conscience of the Subject ; But through the Whole Discourse , as a Point of Policy , and Government , not of Religion . I 'le take This Opportunity , once for all , to set my self Right in This Particular ; And no way better , then to set down the Whole story at Large , in the very Words of the Observator . Trim. [ A Liberty for every man to serve God according to his Iudgment . ] Obs. Why you are Out now , Several Ways . First ; it is Not That Liberty of a mans Serving God according to his Iudgment : For you Challenge That to the Subject , which you Deny to the Magistrate : His Conscience bids him Serve God , in Order ; the People will have Their Consciences at Liberty to serve him in Confusion . The Magistrate's is a Governing Conscience : And what 's to be done now , if the Subject's Consciences shall Refuse to be Govern'd ? The Magistrate's Conscience is Answerable for the whole Community : The Subject's is a Private Case , where every Individual Accounts only for his Single Self . The Magistrate Sins against his Own Conscience if he Suffers a Capricious part of his Subjects to run Vagabonding , and Schismatizing , according to Theirs : Besides that the Wisdom of God , and the Disposition of Divine Providence , have made the Prince the Iudge of the Controversy ; and His Conscience Exerts it self in Authority , while the Peoples Consciences are to Acquiesce , either in Resignation , or Obedience : The People are All and Every Man of 'em the Kings Subjects : And besides the Impious Mixture of Erroneous , and Contradictory Opinions ; All their Pretended Associations of Conscience , are Conspiracies of Practice ; when , at the Same time , the Sovereign has the Ordinance of God ; the Laws of the Land ; Piety , Duty , Imperial Prerogative , and Reason of State , on his side : So that there 's a Conscience Indispensable , on the One Hand , and a Conscience Unwarrantable on the Other : Insomuch that Liberty of Conscience makes against ye All the ways you can put it : For it is against Law ; Against Right ; Against Truth , Nature , and Religion : And , like a Bottomless Quick-Sand , it Sucks-in the very Frame of All Political Constitutions , Never to be Retriv'd . It is Your Liberty of Conscience that I speak of ; But the Magistrate's Right , and Obligation of Conscience stands as Firm as the Foundations of the Earth . And prethee wilt thou go now , and Consult all the Rabbi's of the Separation , Casuistically , upon This Point . What Dispensation from Almighty God , has a King , more then a Subject , to Act Contrary to his Conscience ? Or what Answer shall That Prince make , at the Day of Iudgment ▪ That when his Conscience Charges him , ( as he hopes for Salvation ) to Provide , according to the Best of his Skill , for the Welfare of his People , shall yet Suffer his Subjects to Exercise That License , which He in his Conscience , Thinks , Iudges , and Believes , will be for their Destruction ? The Question is , First ; Whether or No shall This Prince Govern according to his Conscience ? 2ly , How is it possible , to Reconcile This Popular Liberty , to a Consistency with the Conscience of the Supreme Magistrate , and the Necessary Regulations of Sovereign Power ? 3ly , Which shall have the Preference , in This Case , the Kings Conscience , or the Peoples ? That is to say , in Few Words ; where 's the Sovereignty ? In the King , or in the Multitude ? And again , [ The Supream Magistrate has a Double Conscience , One with a Respect to his Personal Persuasion about Matters that Immediately concern his Soul , The Other with a Regard to his Political Administration . The Subject likewise has a Conscience , that purely Respects Matters betwixt God and his Own Soul. And a Conscience likewise that Superinduces another Obligation upon him , with Relation to the Publick , as he is a Member of the Community . In the Former he is at LIBERTY , but in the Other he 's under GOVERNMENT and COMMAND , Obs. Num. 36 Vol. 3. ] What is this to say now but that his Religious Conscience is Free as he is a Christian , But his Practical Conscience is Limited as he is a Subject ? What is there more now , in All This , then that Kings are Bound in Conscience , to keep their People from Cutting one anothers Throats , which they will most Certainly do , and Destroy their Sovereign over and above , when ever he Yields to them the Point of Popular Liberty of Conscience ? So that here are Reasons of State , Sublimated into Articles of Faith ; and a Man is to be presently made a Papist , that will not Swear Secrecy and Allegiance to the Practices and Positions of Rebellion . I could Muster up a Hundred other Instances of the same Batch , and Leaven ; as my Threatning of a Bookseller , if he presumed to Print any thing against Popery , which was Prov'd upon Oath to be an Arrant Lie. And yet the Cry ran so Strong , that there was hardly any beating of it down . They had another Story too of my Stopping the Book of a Reverend Divine purely for Asserting the Doctrine of the Church of England ; which was so False , that the Gentleman Himself Acquitted me to all Purposes upon the whole matter : But however , the Rumour was Supported as long as they could keep Life in 't ; and it was Impossible for any Man to Believe that Flam , without making me an Insolent Fool for my Pains . There was then Another Malicious Whimsie set a Foot too , what a Bussle I had made in I know not how many Tavern-Clubbs , with Projects , and Proposals , about Publique Business ; Which in One Word was All False ; And I Defy Any man living to say the Contrary . ( Which Somebody or Other Must be Able to do , unless they 'l Suppose the Matter Debated at a Committee of Chairs , and Stools . ) To Conclude ; There was Great Pains taken before the Opening of the Parliament , to make Work on 't for a Formal Complaint : But the Pretence would not hold Water . It will be said at last , that the Book was not Publish'd ; And the First Sheet of it Countermanded : To which , I must Answer , That it was Design'd to Come out while the Press was at Liberty , which would have put me upon an After-Game , never to be Recover'd . As to the Recalling of the First Sheet , I shall referr the Reader , for the Reasons of it , to my Defence . THE END . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A47897-e3990 Title . Notes . Considerations . Obs. Vol. 3. Num. 1. Notes . Consid. Observator . Num. 7. Notes . Obs. Num. 7. Vol. 3. Obs. 7. V. 3. Ibid. Consid. Parliament of Scot. Answ. to the Kings Letter . April . 28. Notes . Notes . Consid. Observa . Num. 10. Notes . Consid. Notes . Consid. Notes . Consid. Observa . 6. & 10. Num. 6. Consid. Notes . Obs. 6. V. 3. Obs. 6. V. 3. Consid. Notes . Consid. Notes . Consid. Notes . Consid. Observa . Num. 3. Notes . Consid. Notes . Consid. Ecclesiae Ang. Basis Impostura Luxem . 1619. Consid. Notes . Consid. Apology for the Protestants , done out of French into English by R. L. 1681. Part. 4. Cap. 3. pag. 133. 150. Consid. Notes . Consid. Notes . Consid. Notes . Consid. Notes . Obs. 35. Vol. 3. Obs. Num. 36. Vol. 3. Obs. Num. 42. Vol. 3.