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WEll overtook Neighbour , I see you are not a man of your word ; did not you promise me when we last met , that you would Vote for our old Members that sat in the last Parliament , to be Knights of the Shire , to sit in the Parliament at Oxford ? Humphery . I thought to do so , but by my brown Cow , I have been over-perswaded to the contrary by my Landlord and his Chaplin Mr. Tantivie , and a pestilent fine man , I think they said he was a Courtier , that lay at my Landlords house , and what with Arguments and Wine , they drew aside my heart , and made me Vote against my Conscience . Rog. 'T was ill done neighbour Numps , but all their Artifices would not do , we have carried it by some hundreds , for our old Members , that stood so bravely for their Country . Hump. I am glad on 't with all my heart , for to tell you truly , tho' my Landlord had my voice , the old Members had my heart , and I 'le never do so again . Rog. I hear most of the Counties in England are of the same mind , and all the Burgess-Towns , Cities , and Corporations ; but what arguments could they use to alter thy mind ? Hump. First I say , They made me continually drunk , and then my Landlord used me so very civilly , and gave me so many good words , and fine promises , what a kind Landlord he would be , that I forgot all your Instructions ; and methought he had invincible Arguments to perswade me . Rog. What were they ? Hump. Nay , I have forgot them , but I thought no Counsellour at Law nor any Bishop , could have contradicted them : I now remember one Argument that took with me ; you know I was ever for the King , and he told me the King did not love the Old Parliament-men , and therefore I should not Vote for them : But I being bold , asked him how he knew that ? Rog. What said he then ? Hump. Why he laid me as flat as a Flounder , that is , he fully convinc'd me , for , said he , if the King had lov'd them , he would not so soon have Dissolv'd them ; I think that was demonstrable . Rog. 'T is no matter tho' the King did not love them , they lov'd you and your Country , and you should so far have lov'd your self , as not to have betray'd your own Interest . What said the Courtier ? Hump. Faith he said not much to me , but I suppose he had said enough to my Landlord . Rog. And was this all your Landlord said to you ? had you nothing to say for your self ? you spake rationally the last time we were together . Hump. Nay , I was forward enough to speak I 'le assure you ; And I told them , I was sure our old Members would be for the rooting up of Popery , and would stand stiffly against Arbitrary Government . Rog. What said they then ? Hump. My Landlord laugh'd at me , and told me I had been among the Presbyterian Whiggs , and bid me have a care of being cheated into Rebellion , by those two words , Popery and Arbitrary Government : Then he shewed me a printed paper , I think he called it , The Mistris of Iniquity , which shew'd as plain as the Nose on my face , that in 41 , they did as we do just now , and that by that means they brought one K. to the Block , and so they would now do by our present Soveraign ; God bless him . Rog. Alas ! alas ! and that frighted you , did it ? Hump. Frighted me , ay marry did it , & I think 't would affright any honest Man ; you know I was always a Kings-man , and I would be taught to joyn with those , or give my Vote for such , who under the notion of crying against Popery and Arbitrary Government , would pull down the King and the Bishops , and set up a Common-wealth again . Rog. Well Nump , I believe thee to be an honest Man , and there be many in this Land of thy condition , that are not of any great reach in pollicies and tricks of State-Mountibanks , and so may be easily perswaded upon false grounds , to betray your Country , your liberties , lives , and Religion . Hump. Nay , that was not all , he then read another princed Paper , with an hard name , I think it was Hercules Rideing , or something of Jest and Earnest , which he laught heartily at , and me thought there were some things called Querks , which made a gingling and noise in my Ears , that I thought there was some Spell in it , for it seemed to joyn with Mrs. Iniquity , to make all the Presbyterians Traytors , and most of the people of England mad and factious . Rog. There is as much heed to be given to those Pamphlets , as to the gingling of Morrice-bells : They are hyred to set the people together by the ears , and are Papists in Masquerade ; things set up to affright the people out of their senses , with the buy-leave of 41 ; Wise Men see thorow them , Honest men are not affrighted at them , & Fools and Knaves onely are led aside by them . Hump. But don't we do now as formerly , before the last Wars ? don 't we run just in the same steps as they did ? who caused all the late bloody doings ? as those Pamphlets would make us believe ? Rog. I cannot tell what they mean by Roads and High-ways : pray Hodg , we are now rideing in the High-road to the next Market-Town ; before the last Assizes , in this very Road 3 or 4 Highway-men rode in it too , and rob'd several persons , & committed many villanous Murthers , and were at last caught and Hang'd for it ; now therefore , because we are Rideing in the same High-way , must we Honest men be accounted Thieves , Robbers , and Murtherers , & all other who travel this Road ? that 's an hard case . Hump. You say right Neighbour Hodg , tho' the Gallows stands in the High-way , we need not run our Heads against it , nor do any thing to deserve it . Rog. But to speak plain to your capacity neighbor , if the Court be corrupt , and that those who should do justice and maintain truth , who should only seek the good of the King & his Kingdom , ( for the ones good is inseparably the others ) and should Act According to Laws ; do notwithstanding all things quite contrary , and by Unjust and Undue , Unlawful , & Sinister ways & means , seek to oppress and enslave the people , and to set up Arbitrary Government , and the Religion of Rome , to maintain their own Greatness and Interests ; shall not the People who feel the Burthen and groan under the Oppression , and having no other way of Redress but a Parliament , desire and Petition for one , and cry out against such Illegal and Unjust Proceedings , but presently they must be termed by these Fellows ; Seditious , Factious , and such as would Dethrone the King , and pull down the Bishops ? Then all men must hereafter be afraid to Speak , to Vote , or to Petition , against Grievances , lest they should be termed Rebels , Villains , and Traytors : and to run the same Rode of Forty One. Humph. Indeed Neighbour 't is hard , not to wince when the Beast is hurt ; yet I have basted my Horse for doing it . Rog. Such Asses would these Fellows have English men to be ; still to be subject to their Tyrannical Cudgels ▪ but God be thanked , the Nation generally are of another mind , and what ever these Trumpets of 41 , sound in the ears of the vulgar , there is no such complection in the Affairs now on foot , as in those of 41 , excepting what lies on their part ; and in that also I think there is this disparity , that we have a more evident cause of complaint , our Grievances being more than ever , and especially by that of the first Magnitude , the apprehension of a Popish Successor . Hump. Nay , I had that up too , and then Mr. Tantivy took me in hand as to that , and made it a clear case , that 't was no better than down-right Treason , to deprive the D. of the Crown , or to put a Barr in the way of his Succession : nay , he used the Presbyterians old Text to me , as I heard they made use of it in 41 , to a quite contrary sense , Curse Meroz , and sufficiently ban'd all such as Enemies to the Church of England , as was against his succession , whatever religion he 's of . Rog. I wonder that Mr. Tantivy expects to get by it , to be made a Prior or an Abbot : does he imagine a Popish Successor will not bring in his own Religion ? sure he can't be such a fool : or is he so very fearful of the dissenting Protestants , that he will adventure the setting up of the Mass , rather than shake hands with a Presbyterian ? and yet we see many of the Clergy , and those of the leading Cards , of Mr. Tantivy's opinion : which is beyond my apprehension . Hump. I do believe Mr. Tantivy will never burn for his religion , that 's my opinion , but I assure you , he fears no more the coming in of popery , than I do going to Bed. Rog. Some men are wilfully blind , & such may be the first that would repent the bringing in such a Successor , as the Men of Norfolk , who set up Queen Mary , were the first that had the honour to be her Martyrs . Hump. I am sufficiently convinc'd , that a Popish K. of Engl. will not be very acceptable , and that we should be in danger of turning Papists and Idolaters , or of being burnt for Hereticks : I don't much care to have my name in a New Book of Martyrs , with my picture encompassed with Faggots and Flames , I am affrighted at the thoughts of it . Rog. And yet you put it to the venture , in voting for one you know not , one set up on purpose by interest , to put by our good & trusty old Members . Hump. I confess I deserve to be half-hang'd ; but good Neighbour , what is this Arbitrary Government so often spoke of ? my Landlord ask'd me what it was , and in good faith I could not answer him , but Mr. Tantivy said , it was the Government of a proud , malipert , Arbitrary , Presbyterian Clergy-Man in every Parish , and that the people are setting up again . Rog. So all the Tantivies in England interpret it , but Neighbour , I 'le tell you what I mean by it in a Word , It is a Government of the Prince or Monarch , by his own will , without circumscription of Laws , & then God-buye to all the peoples priviledges and properties , and our long-kept Liberties , so dear to all true English-men , & then you may be made the princes slaves , to bear the burthens of his Janizaries , and not dare to complain , not suffer'd to call any thing your own , to pay Taxes , Impositions , Gabells , Excise , at your Princes pleasure , and not by your own consent : The Prophet Samuel very lively describes such an Arbitrary King , to the Israelites , in the 8th . Cha. of the first Book of Samuel . He is such a one that will take your Sons to be his Servants , to attend on his Chariots and his Coaches , and to be his Foot-men and Lacquies , whether you will or no ; your daughters to be his Cooks and Drudges . He will take your Fields , your Corn , your Houses , and all you have at his pleasure ; and to satisfie the rapacious humour of his Courtiers and Concubines : He will seed his Servants with your bread , and cloath them by your labour and toyl , what you sweat for they shall enjoy . He will rule you with an Army , with Captains of thousands , of hundred and fifties , and you shall not dare to complain of Oppression , and this Neighbour , is the true Character of Arbitrary Government . Hump. O Neighbour , my heart trembles ! what a Rogue was I to Vote at Random , when our all lies at stake : I did not think we had put such a Trust into the hands of our Parliament-men ; I thought , alas ! as many do , that we chose only for Form-sake , and that they were only called to Parliament to give the King money , and to do what he would have them ; and we have paid so many Taxes already , and given so much money , that I wished in my heart there would be no more Parliaments in my days . Rog. You see you were mistaken , 't is the greatest trust that can be put into the hands of men , when we send to the Parliament our Representatives , for we entrust them with our Religion , Lives , Liberties , and Property , all we have ; for they may preserve them to us , or give them from us , and therefore Neighbour , we ought to be careful in whom we put this great trust , and not to be perswaded by our Landlord , or by any flattering Courtier or Horn-winding Tantivie of them all , to choose those whom we know not , and are not well assured of , and that we dare not Confide in . Hump. I hope generally these who are now chosen to Sit at Oxford , are Men of sound Loyalty to their Prince , and of the Establish'd Religion of the Church of England , of honest Principles , and lovers of their Country . Rog. Such as fear not the Calumny of Pamphleting Whislers , and will , if they may be permitted , heal our Breaches , maintain our Religion , and secure our Property , and priviledges : And God in Heaven bless them , and prosper their good Endeavours , and so Neighbour Good-night . Hump. And let all good people say Amen : Farewel . FINIS . London , Printed for T. B. in the Year , 1681.