The Bishop of Rochester's second letter to the Right Honourable the Earl of Dorset and Middlesex Lord Chamberlain of His Majesty's household Sprat, Thomas, 1635-1713. 1689 Approx. 46 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 35 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2003-03 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A61170 Wing S5049 ESTC R15013 11924052 ocm 11924052 50995 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. 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In the Savoy : Printed by Edward Iones , MDCLXXXIX . THE Bishop of Rochester's SECOND LETTER To the Rig ht Honourable The Earl of Dorset and Middlesex , &c. MY LORD , I Cannot in Good Manners make my Address to your Lordship in another Letter , without premising my most Humble Thanks for your favourable Acceptance of the former ; and for your kind Recommendation of my Plea , to Men of Honour and Goodness , by the Powerful Authority of your Approving it . And now , My Lord , since you have in so generous a Manner , admitted me once to be your Client , I am come again to put my whole Cause into your Hands . For it was my Chance , I know not how , to have such a share in One or Two other Public Affairs of the late Times , as obliges me to make a Second Defence . Though I have always thought , that , next to the committing Offences , nothing can be more Greivous to an Ingenuous Mind , than to be put upon the necessity of making Apologies . However , upon the Encouragement your Lordship has given Me , I take the boldness to say , that in the Matters about which I trouble you this once more , I trust , I have good Ground for an honest and open Vindication of my self . The One was , My Part in King Charles the Second's Declaration , touching the Conspiracy ; the other was , My acting in the Commission for the Diocese of London , during the Suspension of my Lord Bishop . But then my Lord , after my Apology , I shall crave leave to add that which needs None , I mean an Account of what past between King Iames , and some of the Bishops , a little before the late wonderful Revolution ; which tho' the Circumstances of it are not so generally known as they ought to be , yet , I am sure , had a very considerable effect for the benefit both of Church and State , in that Critical time . And therein I may presume to say , that I had some part : So that when I come to that , perhaps I shall be able to Speak more freely , and shall venture to insist upon it , as a manifest proof to the World , that the Bishops had then as difficult a Post to Maintain , and Maintain'd it as firmly , as any other Order of Men in the Kingdom could do Theirs , for preserving the Liberties and Properties of the Subject , as well as the Interest of the Protestant Religion . First , my Lord , as for the Book of the Conspiracy , 't is true , I have often heard , that some Noble and Eminent Persons , whose Kindred or Friends were unhappily concern'd in the Subject of that History , had entertain'd a prejudice against me thereupon . But to them I shall make this equitable Request , that they would suspend any farther Censure of me for what I did write , till they shall be fairly informed how much there is that I have not written . I will not deny , that it was at the Request , or rather the Command , of King Charles the Second , that I drew up a Relation of that Plot : And , to that end , I had free liberty to consult the Paper-Office and Council-Books , whence I was plentifully furnish'd with such Authentic Materials , either of Papers Printed by Authority , or of Sworn Depositions and Confessions , as have been always thought the best Ground for an Historian to work upon . But now , my Lord , I can still allege , That tho' a vast heap of such Matter was immediately supplied to my hands ; and tho' I often received earnest Messages , and some Sharp words from that gentle King to quicken my Slowness , yet more than twelve Months had past , before I could be brought to put Pen to Paper ; out of my Natural Aversion to any Business , that might reflect severely upon any Man ; my own Inclination rather leading me to the other Extream , that is , Rather to Commend too much what in the least seems Well-done , than to Aggravate what is Ill-done by others . However , upon King Charles's frequent Commands , and continued Importunity , I did at length obey ; and the rather , because I had formerly somewhat incurr'd that King 's and his Brother's Displeasure , by my declining to write against the States of Holland , during the time of the First and Second Dutch-Wars . Being thus over-persuaded , I made my Collections , and Presented them to that King : Which his Majesty having himself perused , was pleased to direct me to put them into the Hands of the Lord Keeper North , who carefully Read and Corrected what I had done , and added divers matters of Fact , which had escaped my Observation . Thus the Work stood in Preparation for the Press , when the deplorable Death of that King hapned . And shortly after , King Iames the Second calling for the Papers , and having read them , and Altered divers Passages , caused them to be printed by his own Authority , as is to be seen before the Book . But now , my Lord , I can truly declare , that during my composing those Collections , I earnestly requested King Charles the Second , ( and your Lordship knows as well as any Man , how agreeable such a Request was to the Benign Temper of that King ) I requested him I say , that few or no Names of Persons should be mentioned , whatever probable suggestions might be against them , but only such , upon whom public Judgment had passed , which it could be to no purpose for me to conceal , I could indeed have wish'd , that my Lord Russel's , and some other Names of Persons of Honour , might have been of the Number to be omitted , upon that very account . But 't was none of my fault that they were not . I could not hinder , nor did I in the least contribute to their Fall. Nay , I lamented it ; especially my Lord Russel's , after I was fully convinc'd by Discourse with the Reverend Dean of Canterbury , of that Noble Gentleman's great Probity , and Constant Abhorrence of Falshood . But that was a good while after . All that I did , was the Publishing , or rather indeed the putting together methodically , what before was sufficiently published in printed Papers that were Licensed : And out of them , to draw the Substance of a Declaration of State , in Vindication of that , which the Authority of the Nation , at that time , called The Public Justice of the Kingdom . But , my Lord , to return to what I was saying , King Charles having granted my desire of Concealing divers Names ; according to this Allowance I proceeded ; leaving out some , and abbreviating others ; endeavouring all along to spare Parties and Families , and particular Persons , as much as would be allowed . All which may be demonstrated from the Copies of the Depositions , as they went out of my hands , where there were several Names visibly marked by my own Pen , to be passed by in the Publication . So that if some Indifferent Man should now compare the Informations as they are in Print , with the Originals in the Secretary's , or the Paper-Office , he would , it may be , be apter to suspect Me of Connivance ; than of Calumny on that side . If I have now given your Lordship any satisfaction touching my fair Dealing in My Part of that Book , I doubt not but what follows will give you more ; when I shall assure you of my having refused to Write a Continuation of the same History . For , my Lord , it was some time after the Duke of Monmouth's Overthrow and Execution , that King Iames the Second required me to undertake such another Task , and presently to set about a Second Part. To that purpose His Majesty gave me a sight of multitudes of Original Letters and Papers , together with the Confessions of several Persons then taken in England and Scotland ; who did indeed seem all to outvy one another , who should reveal most , both of Men and Things relating to the old Conspiracy , as well as to the Duke of Monmouth's , and the Earl of Argyle's Invasion . But finding the Innocence of divers Persons of Worth and Honour , touched in those Papers , and by that time beginning vehemently to suspect things were running apace towards the endangering of our Laws and Religion , I must say , I never could be induced by all his Majesties reiterated Commands , to go on with that Work. Instead of that , tho' I had all the Materials for such a Narrative within my Power , for above three Years , and might easily have finished it in a Month or Six Weeks space , yet I chose rather to Suppress and Silence , as much as I could , all that New Evidence ; which , if openly produced , would have blemished the Reputation of some Honourable Persons . Give me leave , My Lord , only to add , That I am confident , there are several Original Papers still in being , which would be more than enough to convince all impartial Men , how Moderate and Tender I was in that Cause . Next , My Lord , having mentioned my being concerned in the Commission for the Diocese of London in that I had the good Fortune to be join'd with an excellent Person , my Lord Bishop of Peterborough . And we can both truly say , that as we enter'd into that Commission with my Lord of London's Good Will , so we acted nothing in it , without the greatest Respect to his Interest . It is well known we continued all his Officers in the full Profits and Privileges of their Places . We faithfully maintained the Rights of his Bishoprick , and once in the Kings own Presence , against his Majesties express Inclinations , in a Business of no less Concernment than my Lord Mayor's Chapel . We never Invaded any of my Lord Bishops Preserments that fell void in that Interval ; We dipos'd of none but according to his own Directions . We used his Clergy with the same affectionate Care and Brotherly Love , as He himself had done ; Who was on that Account , as Dear to them , as any Bishop in Christendom was to his Diocese . And we Appeal to them , whether we might not rather expect their Kindness and Thanks , than suspect their Ill-will for all our Transactions with them . Nor can this be thought a vain Boast to any Man , who shall seriously reflect on the terrible Aspect of Things from Court upon the London-Clergy , during the whole time of our exercising that Jurisdiction . The Remembrance whereof , makes me not doubt to affirm , that if my Lord Bishop of Peterborough and I , had not then stood in the Gap , but some other Persons , who were prepared to be thrust in , upon our leaving that Commission , had got it absolutely into their Power , 't is possible the most Learned and Pious Clergy in the World , had been somewhat otherwise imployed than they were ; and had been too much taken up in defending themselves from the violent Persecutions of the Popish Party , to have leisure to confute and triumph over the Popish Cause ; as they entirely did in their admirable Writings , to the Glory and Establishment of the Church of England . My Lord , to the truth of what I have here said concerning the Commission of London , I have the Bishop of Peterborough ready to attest . I should indeed be glad I could claim as just a share in another of his Lordships Meritorious Services to the Public , as I may do in this . But in that I cannot , for 't is Evident the Seven Bishops , whereof he was One , had such an opportunity put into their Hands by God's Providence , for the overthrow of Popery and Arbitrary Power , by Their Sufferings for delivering their Sense of King Iames the Second's Declaration , as 't is likely never any of the Episcopal Order had before , and 't is to be hop'd , will never have again . This however I will say , I had certainly added my self to their Number , if I had then understood the Question , as well as I did afterwards upon their Tryal , where I was present in order to be a Witness in their behalf , at the same time your Lordship and many other Noble Lords were there , to give Countenance to so Good a Cause . There it was , My Lord , that I was first convinced of the false Foundations and mischievous Consequences of such a Dispensing Power , as that on which the Declaration was grounded . So that I have ever since been perswaded , that from that Petition of those Bishops , so defended by the invincible Arguments of their Learned Council on that Day ; and so justified by the honest Verdict of their Undaunted Jury on the next Day ; from thence I say , we may date the first great successful step , that was made towards the rescuing of our Laws and Religion . For my Part I must own , I was so fully satisfied by the excellent ●leadings of those great Lawyers at that Tryal , that I confess I never had till then so clear a Notion , what unalterable Bounds the Law has fix'd between the Just Prerogatives of the Crown , and the Legal Rights of the Subject . And therefore from that very Day I hasten'd to make what Reparations I could for the Errors occasion'd by my former Ignorance ; and to act for the future , what I always intended , as became a true English Man. Nor was it long after , that I met with a Signal Opportunity to put this my Purpose in practice . For perceiving the Rage of the Popish Party against the Church of England was rather heightned than abated , by my Lords the Bishops being acquitted ; and fearing the Ecclesiastical Commission was next to be Employed , to wreak the Papists Revenge on the Orthodox Clergy , when Westminster-Hall could not do it ; I presently resolv'd to Desert that Commission ; from whence I had often before Laboured and Intreated in vain to be fairly Dismiss'd : And immediately I sent the Commissioners the following Letter ; whereof Your Lordship may remember I then presented you with a Copy : as knowing how much You would be pleased , with my other Friends , at my forsaking that Board upon any Terms . To the Right Honourable My LORDS , His Majesties Commissioners for Ecclesiastical Affairs , &c. MY LORDS , I Most humbly intreat your Lordships favourable Interpretation of what I now write , That since your Lordships are resolved to proceed against those , who have not comply'd with the King's Commands in Reading His Declaration , it is absolutely impossible for me to serve His Majesty any longer in this Commission . I beg leave to tell your Lordships , that thô I my self did submit in that particular , yet I will never be any ways instrumental in Punishing those my Brethren who did not . For as I call God to witness , That what I did , was merely upon a Principle of Conscience ; so I am fully satisfied , that their Forbearance was upon the same Principle . I have no reason to think otherwise of the whole Body of our Clergy , who , upon all occasions , have signaliz'd their Loyalty to the Crown , and their Zealous Affections to His Present Majesty's Person in the worst of Times . Now , my Lords , the Safety of the whole Church of England seeming to be exceedingly concern'd in this Prosecution , I must declare , That I cannot , with a safe Conscience , Sit as Iudge in this Cause , upon so many Pious and Excellent Men : With whom , if it be God's Will , it rather becomes me to suffer , than to be in the lest Accessary to their Suffering . I therefore earnestly request Your Lordships to intercede with the King , that I may be graciously dismiss'd any farther Attendance at Your Board , and to Assure His Majesty , That I am still ready to Sacrifice whatever I have to His Service , but my Conscience and Religion . MY LORDS , I am Your Lordships Most Faithful , Humble , and Obedient Servant , Tho. Roffen . Bromley , Aug. 15. 1688. Your Lordship , seeing what I have said in this Letter , concerning my Submitting in that business of the Declaration , upon a Principle of Conscience , as I then thought , You may expect my Reason for doing so . I must frankly confess , I had then a Doubt in my Mind , arising from a Rubrick in the Common-Prayer , ( which is , as much as any other , a Law of the Land ) whether a Bishop could lawfully deny the Reading of whatever the King should Ordain to be Read in Churches . And 't was merely upon that Mistaken Scruple of Conscience , I was induced not to Oppose that Command of the King in Council : I say , not to Oppose it : Farther than that , I still say , I went not in that Business . For it is most true , That the Orders of Council , for Publishing that Declaration in Churches , were dispersed through the Places of my Jurisdiction immediately from the Kings Printing-house , without my Injunction , or so much as my Knowledge . And after they were sent abroad , thô I did not , 't is true , Revoke them , as not being then well determined in the Case , yet I no where insisted to have them obeyed . Nay , both in my own Diocese of Rochester , and in that of London , where I had then very unwillingly some Inspection , there is no one Clergy-man can upbraid me , for Urging any Man to Read , or Reproving any for not Reading the Declaration . If it shall be objected , that I permitted it to be Read in Westminster-Abby , I desire it may be also consider'd , what dreadful Apprehensions this Royal Church and School were then under , from our Neighbours the Jesuits at Court ; who lay in wait to take any Advantage , whereby they might stir up the King to Ruin us . Besides that a Quo-Warranto was then actually Issued out against us , and we were every Day threatned , that as we were the nearest , so we should fall the first Prey , into the Hands of the Popish Priests . But to go on , I need not Remind your Lordship , what Wrath and Indignation this Letter to the Commissioners produced against me , from the Jesuited Party at Court : For which yet I esteemed my self abundantly Recompensed by the Peace it gave me in my own Mind , and I hope I may say , by the good Will it Revived towards me in the Hearts of Good Men ; especially of my Lord Archbishop and the other persecuted Bishops , with whom I ever after acted in perfect Conjunction for the Public Good. That , My Lord , is the last particular whereof I promised to give your Lordship and Account . And I come to it more chearfully than I did to the rest , because this is the only matter of all I undertook to Speak of , wherein I am not Conscious to my self , that I need any Excuse . It was therefore some time after the Tryal of the Seven Bishops , and after my leaving the Commission , when upon the Kings sudden return from Windsor , and the first Alarm given of the Preparations in Holland , my Lord of Canterbury , and some of his Suffragan Bishops , whereof I had the Honour to be One , were sent for by express Letters dated September the 24th , to attend his Majesty at Whitehall . Accordingly all of us that were in Town , except my Lord Archbishop , who was then very ill , waited on the King the Friday following being the Day appointed . But little or nothing passing betwixt his Majesty and us , at our first Attendance , beyond general Expressions of his Favour , and our Duty , we intreated my Lord of Canterbury , to procure for us a Second , and more particular Audience ; wherein we might all deliver our plain and sincere Sense of Things , as we saw the dangerous Condition of the Church and State then required from Men of our Character . And on the Sunday after , my Lord Archbishop , obtain'd of the King that we should be admitted to a full Liberty of Speech with him the next Tuesday Morning . All Monday we spent at Lambeth , in preparing the Humble Advice we thought fit to offer the next Day . But the King being otherwise accidentally diverted on Tuesday Morning , our Attendance on him was put off till Wednesday . Whereas had we been admitted to his Majesty that Tuesday , we could not have failed of getting some Credit to our selves , and to the Church , for having Requested him to Restore the Charter of London among other Charters . For from the very beginning of our Consultations , we had fixed upon that to be One of our Principal Petitions . Whereof his Majesty perhaps having had some private Intimation ; thought so more for his Service to prevent us , by making it an Act of his own Grace . This is certain , that very Tuesday in the Evening , he first declared publicly in the Council , to divers eminent Citizens , his purpose to restore the City Charter . So that when we came the next Day , we found nothing left for us to do towards that great Affair , but only to turn our intended Request into Thanks , as we did . However , on Wednesday Morning , we had our Second Audience , when my Lord of Canterbury deliver'd our Free and Honest Advice , with such a becoming Meekness , Gravity , and Courage as indeed was Admirable . Now because there has been hitherto only an imperfect Relation Printed of what passed at that Meeting , I think it may not be unacceptable to the Public , to give here an exact Account of our whole Proceedings with the King in that Affair ; as it was drawn up by my Lord Archbishop himself . And it had been Happy , if all Addresses to his Majesty had been alike Faithful to the King 's and the Kingdom 's Interest . For his Grace the L d Archbishop of Canterbury , MY LORD , THE King thinking it requisite to speak with Your Grace , and several others of the Bishops , who are within a convenient distance of this place ; His Majesty commands me to acquaint you , that he would have you attend him upon Friday next , at Ten in the Morning . MY LORD , I am Your most Faithful , &c. Sunderland P. Whitehall , Sep. 24. 1688. Letters to the same purpose , and of the same Date , ( or about that time ) were sent to the Bishops of London , Winchester , Ely , Chichester , Rochester , Bath and Wells , Peterborough , and Bristol ; all which ( but London and Bristol ) came to Town ; and all , but the Archbishop , waited on the King at the time appointed . The next day the Bishop of Winchester went out of Town , and the day after that , the Archbishop waited upon the King , alone , and by His Appointment , on Wednesday , Octob. 3. all , who remained in Town , went together to His Majesty , to whom ( in the Name of the rest ) the Archbishop spake , as followeth . May it please Your Sacred Majesty , WHen I had lately the Honour to wait upon you , you were pleased briefly to acquaint me with what had pass'd two days before , between Your Majesty and these my Reverend Brethren : By which , and by the Account which they themselves gave me , I perceived , that in truth there pass'd nothing , but in very general Terms , and Expressions of Your Majesty's Gracious and Favourable Inclinations to the Church of England , and of our Reciprocal Duty and Loyalty to Your Majesty : Both which were sufficiently understood and declared before ; and ( as one of my Brethren then told you ) would have been in the same State , if the Bishops had not stirr'd one foot out of their Dioceses . Sir , I found it griev'd my Lords the Bishops to have come so far , and to have done so little , and I am assured , they came then prepared to have given Your Majesty some more particular Instances of their Duty and Zeal for your Service ; had they not apprehended from some Words , which fell from your Majesty , that you were not then at leisure to receive them . It was for this reason , that I then besought your Majesty to Command us once more to Attend you All together ; which your Majesty was pleased Graciously to Allow and Encourage . We are therefore here now before you , with all Humility , to beg your Permission , that we may suggest to your Majesty such Advices , as we think proper at this Season , and conducing to your Service , and so leave them to your Princely Consideration . Which the King being pleased graciously to permit , the Archbishop proceeded , as followeth . Our First humble Advice is ; I. That Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to put the Management of your Government , in the several Counties , into the Hands of such of the Nobility and Gentry there , as are legally qualified for it . II. That Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to Annul your Commission for Ecclesiastical Affairs ; and that no such Court , as that Commission sets up , may be Erected for the future . III. That Your Majesty will be graciously pleased , That no Dispensation may be granted , or continued ; by Virtue whereof , any person , not duly Qualified by Law , hath been , or may be , put into any Place , Office , or Preferment , in Church or State , or in the Universities , or continued in the same ; especially such , as have Cure of Souls annext to them : And in particular , that you will be graciously pleased to restore the President and Fellows of St. Mary Magdalen College in Oxford . IV. That Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to set aside all Licenses or Faculties already granted ; by which , any Persons of the Romish Communion may pretend to be enabled to teach Public Schools ; and that no such be granted for the future . V. That Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to desist from the Exercise of such a Dispensing Power , as hath of late been used ; and to permit that Point to be freely and calmly Debated and Argued , and finally setled in Parliament . VI. That Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to inhibit the Four Foreign Bishops , who style themselves Vicars Apostolical , from farther Invading the Ecclesiastical Iurisdiction , which is by Law vested in the Bishops of this Church . VII . That Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to fill the Vacant Bishopricks , and other Ecclesiastical Promotions , within your Gift , both in England and Ireland , with Men of Learning and Piety : And in particular , ( which I must own to be my peculiar Boldness , for 't is done without the privity of my Brethren : ) That you will be graciously pleased forthwith to fill the Archiepiscopal Chair of York , ( which hath so long stood Empty , and upon which a whole Province depends ) with some very Worthy Person : For which ( pardon me , Sir , if I am bold to say ) you have here now before you a very fair Choice . VIII . That Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to supersede all farther Prosecution of Quo Warranto's against Corporations , and to Restore to them their Ancient Charters , Privileges , and Franchises ; as we hear God hath put it into Your Majesties Heart to do for the City of London ; which we intended to have made , otherwise , one of our Principal Requests . IX . That if it so please Your Majesty , Writs may be issued out with convenient speed for the Calling of a Free and Regular Parliament , in which , the Church of England may be Secured according to the Acts of Uniformity ; Provision may be made for a due Liberty of Conscience , and for securing the Liberties and Properties of all Your Subjects ; and a mutual Confidence , and good Understanding , may be Established between Your Majesty , and all Your People . X. Above all , that Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to permit Your Bishops to offer you such Motives and Arguments , as ( we trust ) may , by God's Grace , be Effectual to persuade Your Majesty to return to the Communion of the Church of England ; into whose most Holy Catholick Faith you were Baptized , and in which you were Educated , and to which it is our daily earnest Prayer to God , that you may be Re-united . These ( Sir ) are the Humble Advices , which , out of Conscience of the Duty we owe to God , to Your Majesty , and to our Country , we think fit at this time to offer to Your Majesty , as suitable to the Present State of your Affairs , and most conducing to your Service , and so to leave them to your Princely Consideration . And we heartily beseech Almighty God , in whose Hand the Hearts of all Kings are , so to Dispose and Govern Yours , that in all your Thoughts , Words , and Works , you may ever seek his Honour and Glory , and study to preserve the People committed to your Charge , in Wealth , Peace , and Godliness ; to Your Own both Temporal and Eternal Happiness . Amen . We do heartily Concur . H. London . P. Winchester . W. Asaph . W. Cant. Fran. Ely. Io. Cicestr . Tho. Roffen . Tho. Bath and Wells . Tho. Petriburg . It is for others Information , not for yours , My Lord , that I have been so Punctual and Minute in the Circumstances of this Business , wherewith your Lordship was fully made acquainted , just after the very time , at Copthall , as much as my Lord of London's and my Memory could Serve us to do it . But one thing farther I must observe as very Remarkable in this Affair , that if the exact time of this our Address to King Iames at Whitehall , shall be compar'd with the Day of the Prince of Orange his present Majesties setting forth his First Declaration in Holland , they will both be found to bear very near the same Date . For our Address here , was form'd at Lambeth on Monday , October the First , and should have been deliver'd on Tuesday the Second , and was actually presented on Wednesday the Third . And that Declaration was Sign'd there on the Tenth of October , which , considering the Two Styles , makes little or no Difference . And if I might presume to compare Small Things with Great , in the Matter of them as well as in the Date , I would venture to say , that most of the very same Grievances , which his Highness insisted on in his Declaration , except One or Two , that were too high for us Subjects to meddle with , were so early represented by us to the King in that Petition , as Things necessary to be speedily Redress'd . And , My Lord , I cannot but add , that this we did in a time when the King thought of nothing less than Victory ; when in all Humane probability , he was the strongest both by Sea and Land ; when as yet there was no appearance of such a Prodigious Alienation of his Subjects Affections ; when at least his Army was thought to be still firm to him ; when the very Winds and Seas seem'd hitherto as much on his Side , as they all afterwards turn'd against him . After that , My Lord , as I remember the next Solemn time of our Waiting on King Iames the Second , was occasion'd by the Interception of the Prince of Orange's Declaration here in London , some short time before his Highness's Landing , For upon Reading that Expression in it , That the Prince was most earnestly Invited hither by divers Lords both Spiritual and Temporal , and by many Gentlemen and Others of all Ranks ; the King forthwith sent for some of the Bishops , who were nearest at hand , and required us to Justifie our Selves to the World , as to our Part in that Invitation . To this end , His Majesty fixed a Short Day , whereon He obliged us to present him a Paper under our Hands , signifying our Abhorrence of the Prince of Orange's intended Invasion . My Lord , the Day came ; and great Throngs there were at Court , expecting the Issue of that Conference : We saw both the Friends and Enemies of the Church of England , equally impatient , to know what we would do in that difficult Moment . The King himself had affirm'd to us , He thought his good Success exceedingly depended upon our Ready Compliance with his Command of Abhorring . A Declaration was then in the Press against the Prince of Orange the present King , and was only stopp'd for our Paper of Abhorrence to be inserted into it : And there happen'd to be but Four of our Number , my Lord of Canterbury , my Lord of London , my Lord of Peterborough , and my Self , who were present upon the Place to endure that terrible Brunt . In short , as soon as we were come into the King's Presence , His Majesty with great Earnestness called for our Paper ; We with all Submission intreated to be Excused from writing any thing of that Nature , and from making a particular Defence to a general Accusation ; left we should give the First Precedent of that kind , against the Privilege of Peers . Besides that , our Profession being to promote Peace , VVe thought it belong'd not to us to declare VVar , especially against a Prince so nearly Ally'd to the Crown . But the King still more Insisted , Argued , and Expostulated with us ; insomuch , that if ever in all my Life I saw him more than ordinary vehement in Speech , and transported in his Expressions , it was at that time . However , we still made good our humble Refusal , in as dutiful Terms as 't was possible : Among many Arguments , urging chiefly , That as we were joyn'd with our Brethren , the other Lords Spiritual , and with the Lords Temporal , and with the Gentry of England , in the Accusation ; so we beseech'd him , we might not be separated from them in our Justification : Concluding all with an earnest Request to His Majesty , that He would be pleased to Condescend to the Calling a Free Parliament : Wherein only he could rightly understand , what was the General Sense , and True Interest of the whole Kingdom . At last , when neither the King would bearken to our Zealous Motion for a Parliament , nor we could be prevailed on , to Subscribe an Abhorrence of the Prince of Orange's Design , His Majesty parted from us with Indignation . And thereupon the Jesuited Party at Court were so violently enraged against us , that , as we were credibly informed , one of the Chief advised in a heat , we should all be Imprisoned , and the Truth should be extorted from us by Violence . I told your Lordship , the Conclusion of that our Serious De●●●● with the King , was on our Side 〈◊〉 begging him to call a Free Par●●●ment . The truth is , a Free Par●●●ment was the main Point , and t● last Result of all our Requests to His Majesty , from the First Day of his admitting us to give him our honest Advice , till the time of his leaving the Kingdom . I need not put your Lordship in mind of the Petition we presented him to the same purpose , which was Signed by divers of the Spiritual and Temporal Lords , and , among others , by your Self ; and was afterwards Seconded from several Parts of the Nation ; especially by the Noblemen and Gentlemen Assembled at York , and by the Fleet under the Command of my Lord Dartmouth , and by the Lord Bishop , and the Clergy , and the Citizens of Bristol . As it had been also soon followed by the rest of the Kingdom , had there been time enough for the doing of it . But having mentioned that Petition for a Free aud Regular Parliament , I hope it will not be thought Presumption in me , if I suggest , I had the Honour to have it Considered , Agreed on , and Sign'd , at my house at Westminster : And that I was one of the Four Bishops ( the Two Archbishops and my Lord of Ely being the other Three ) who ventured to deliver it to the King , after we heard he had protested he would take it highly Ill of any Man that should offer him a thing of that Nature . Nevertheless we did it , and thought our selves bound in Duty to God and Man so to do . Your Lordship perceives , all that I have said on this last Subject , concerns only some few Particulars that pass'd in Three or Four Conferences between King Iames the Second , and some of the Bishops , who happen'd then to be within Call. Thô we had afterwards the Concurrence of our Absent Brethren . And we may now appeal to all the World , whether we did not Demean our Selves in those hazardous Occasions , with that Zeal against Popery , and for the Legal Establishment both in Church and State , as became the Station we hold in Both. If your Lordship's Leisure would permit me to look farther back , and to recount what was Written , Acted , or Suffered , by the Members of the Church of England in general during that Reign ; 't were easie to recollect so many Memorable Instances of unshaken Truth and Courage in the Nobility , Gentry , Clergy , and Commonalty of our Communion , in maintaining our Religion against Rome , and our Laws against unlimited Power , as might well furnish sufficient Materials for an ample Relation . I know it was formerly a popular Objection of divers misguided Dissenters from the Church of England , that our Principles were too Monarchical , and that we carried the Doctrine of Obedience farther than might be consistent with the safety of a Protestant Church , or the Privileges of a free-born People , But it is now to be hoped , that the strongest Argument of all others , which is Experience from undoubted Matter of Fact , has put this Objection for ever out of Countenance . Since it is undeniable , that during that whole time , when our Civil and Spiritual Liberties were in so much Danger , the greatest , and most considerable stop , that was here put to the Arts of Rome , and Intrigues of France , was Put by the steddy Resolution of the true Sons of the Church of England . I pretend not to upbraid any Party or Sect among us , for any undue Compliance in that Time. But this I will Assert , that generally Speaking , the whole Body of the Church of England , both Laity and Clergy did not Comply . Nay , it were Infinite to reckon up the Examples , we then saw every Day , of Men of all Conditions , from the highest to the lowest , All Members of the Church of England ; who preferred the saving of the Establisht Government in Church and State , before any Temptations of private Profit or Interest . Not to say any thing more of the Learned and Unanswerable Writings of that time against Popery : For in that Merit , I suppose none of any other Persuation will enter into any Competition with the Orthodox Clergy : But I now only Speak of those many Honourable Self-Denials , which the Church of England-Men then Practised , for the Sake of the true English Liberty , and Reformation . What Officers and Commanders were there almost in the whole Army , besides the Sons of the Church of England , who chose to be Discarded from those very Troops and Regiments , which their own Interest and Money had raised , rather than contribute to take away the great Fences of our Liberty and Religion ? What Officers in the Courts of Justice , and in the several Branches of the Revenue ? What Members of Boroughs , Corporations , and Cities , in Comparison of those of the Church of England , endured the loss of their Places of Trust and Profit , for not Consenting to Abolish the Tests and Penal Laws against Papists ? What eminent Nobility and Gentry in all Counties , submitted chearfully to be flighted , and deprived of all Authority and Power among their Neighbours , in Peace or War ? Were they not generally , and almost to a Man of the Church of England ? Was not a considerable Part of the Court it self turn'd out ? Did not divers Persons of the highest Titles and Dignities there endure to lose their Princes Favour , upon this very Account ? Did we not see the most Advantageous , and most Honorable Offices , the very White Staves , and the greatest of them , not valued , but easily parted with , when Religion came in Question 's . I need not go on to recite more particularly all these Things , especially to your Lordship , who were your Self one of the Noble Sufferers in the same Cause . 'T will be sufficient to affirm once for all , that the main Body of those , who made so brave a Stand , were all of the Church of England ; and the Principles on which they stood , were all Church of England Principles . My Lord , it was by these Persons , and these Principles , that ●opery was stopt in its full Career ; by these it was then hindred from Conquering , and put into a Condition to be shortly after Conquer'd it self in this Nation . After having troubled your Lordship so long with my own Private Cause , and having said something too , in the behalf of what is much more dear to me , the Public ; pray let me conclude with that , which , in this Juncture of Affairs , may be counted well high another Public Cause : Let me Present you with my Humbly well-meaning Opinion , what Moderation is to be shewn towards those , who happen'd to be employed in the late Times . My Lord , 't would be great Presumption in me , having been my self too far engaged , to offer at an Apology for other Persons concern'd then , either with me in the Commission , or in any other Public Business ; particularly for some of your Lordships Acquaintance , whose Cause may be more Defensible than mine ; and I am sure their Abilities to defend it , are much greater . Only in general , I will take the freedom to say , That I make no Question , but divers Good Men , who were then in Imployments , did in Prudence , submit to some things in Order to hinder Worse . I doubt not but many Acted then not to Increase , but to Mitigate the Violence of those Times . Some were in such Stations , which perhaps 't was well done of them , not suddenly to Desert , lest worse Men should come in , to do that which they design'd to prevent . I believe , some being , as it were , in the middle of the Stream , when the Tide turn'd so Violently against our Establisht Church and Laws , were driven down lower than they expected , before they could resist the Current , or get to Shore . Wherefore , considering all Circumstances , 't was well so many mistook not the true Interest of the Nation . 'T was happy so many preserv'd their Integrity ; so many had the honest Hardiness to stand unmoved by the Importunity of their King , whom they were bred up to Honor , and in all things else to Obey . And in common Sense of human Frailty , are not many Infirmities at such a time as that , to be overlook'd now , by wise and good Men ? Do not many false Steps so made , deserve to be pitied ? May it not be thought some kind of Merit , or some degree of Innocence at least , not to have made more , in such a slippery Ground as we then trod on ? If , my Lord , every Failure of that Time , should be esteemed a Criminal Compliance , every Compliance should be judg'd unpardonable , VVho then , that remain'd under the Government , can be counted Innocent ? VVho shall be able justly to throw the first Stone ? VVhat Place will be then left for the Offender's Hope , or for a Prince's Forgiveness , the Noblest and most Divine Part of Power ? My Lord , the constant Experience of all wise Times has shewed , that all Civil Dissentions and Quarrels are best ended by the largest Acts of Indemnity and Oblivion : In England especially , where Good Nature is soon apt to have Compassion upon the Afflicted . Here perhaps scarce any thing can be more dangerous to the Party that is uppermost , than to put English-men upon pitying those that suffer under it . And certainly this Revolution , if ever any , should be Mild in the Event , since it was Bloodless in the whole Course of it , in a time , when there was most danger of Effusion of Blood. I will say no more , my Lord , but this , that after great and unexpected Changes , That hath been always found the firmest Settlement of any State or Government , where the Prevailing Party hath look'd but very little backward , and very much forward ; where Private Animosity and Revenge have wisely given way to the greater Benefits of Public Pardon and Indulgence . Perhaps , towards the Beginning of great Reformations , a VVarm impetuous Spirit may have its use ; but to Compose Things after sudden Commotions , to Calm Men's Minds for the future , to Settle Affairs in a secure and lasting Peace , most certainly a Gentle , Generous , Charitable Temper , is the best : And to say all in one word , Such a Temper as is your Lordships . MY LORD , I am Your Lordship's Most Faithful , Humble , and Obedient Servant , Tho. Roffen . Westminster , Mar. 26. 1689. FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A61170-e160 The Bishop of Bath and Wells .