A letter from His Grace James, Duke of Ormond, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland in answer to the Right Honourable Arthur, Earl of Anglesey, Lord Privy-Seal, his observations and reflections upon the Earl of Castlehaven's Memoires concerning the rebellion of Ireland : printed from the original, with an answer to it by the Right Honourable the Earl of Anglesey. Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688. 1682 Approx. 16 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 6 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2007-01 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A53438 Wing O449 ESTC R41464 31355396 ocm 31355396 110441 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . 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Ireland -- History -- 1649-1660 -- Sources. 2006-02 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2006-04 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2006-06 Mona Logarbo Sampled and proofread 2006-06 Mona Logarbo Text and markup reviewed and edited 2006-09 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A LETTER From His GRACE JAMES DUKE OF ORMOND , Lord Lieutenant of Ireland , In Answer to the Right Honourable ARTHUR EARL OF ANGLESEY Lord Privy-Seal , HIS OBSERVATIONS and REFLECTIONS Upon the EARL of Castlehaven's Memoires Concerning the REBELLION of IRELAND . Printed from the Original , with an Answer to it , by the Right Honourable the Earl of Anglesey . LONDON , Printed for N. P. MDCLXXXII . A LETTER From His GRACE JAMES DUKE OF ORMOND , &c. My Lord , IT is now , I think , more than a year since I first saw a little BOOK written by way of Letter , called , Observations and Reflections on my Lord of Castle-Haven 's Memoires : Wherein , though there are some things that might lead the Reader to believe that your Lordship was the AUTHOR yet there were many more I thought impossible should come from you : For it affirms many Matters of Fact positively , which are easily and authentically to be disproved : And from those Matters of Fact , grosly mistaken , it deduces Consequences , raises Inferences , and scatters Glances injurious to the memory of the Dead , and the Honours of some Living : Among those that by the Blessing of God are yet living , I find my self worst Treated ; Twenty years after the Kings Restauration , and Forty after the beginning of the Irish Rebellion , as if it had been all that while reserved for me , and for such Times as these we are fallen into , when Calumny , ( though the Matter of it be never so groundless and improbable , ) meets with Credulity ; and when Liberty is taken to asperse Men , and Represent them to the World under the monstrous and odious Figures of Papists , or Popishly affected : Not because they are so thought by those that employ the Representers , but , because they are known to be too good Protestants , and too Loyal Subjects , to joyn in the Destruction of the Crown and Church : Besides , the Treatise came forth , and must have been written , when I had but newly received Repeated Assurances of the continuance of your Friendship to me , wherein , as in one of your Letters , you are pleased to say , you had never made a false step ; for these Reasons I was not willing to believe that Book to be your Lordships Composing , and hoped some of the Suborned Libellers of the Age had endeavoured to Imitate your Lordship , and not you them ; but I was in a while after , first by my Son Arran , and afterwards by the Bearer , Sir Robert Reading , assured your Lordship had owned to them that the Piece was yours , but profest the Publication to be without your Order , and that you did not intend to do , or think that you had done me any injury or prejudice : If your Lordship really thought so , the Publication might have been owned as well as what was Published : But then let the World Judge , whether Pen , Ink , and Paper are not dangerous Tools in your Hands ? When I was thus assured your Lordship was the Author , it cost me some thoughts how to vindicate Truth , my Master the late King , my self , my Actions and Family , all Reflected on , and traduced by that Pamphlet ; I found my self ingaged in the Service of our present King , and that in a Time of difficulty and danger , and in such Times for the most part it has been my lot to be Employed in Publick Affairs ; and though I had not been so taken up , yet I well knew that Writing upon such Occasions is no more my Talent , than it is my Delight : And to say truth , my indisposition to the exercise might help to perswade me , that the Book , though honoured with your Lordships Name , would , after it had performed its Office in Coffee-Houses , and served your Lordships Design in that Conjuncture , expire ; as Writings of that nature and force usually do : And herein I rested , without troubling my self , or any body else , with Animadversions upon your Lordships mistakes , which are so many , and so obvious , that I wonder how you could fall into them . I will add to this , that I have been in expectation that by this time your Compleat History would have come forth , wherein , if I may judge by the Pattern , I have just cause to suspect that neither the Subject or my self will be more justly dealt with , than in that occasional Essay , and I would have been glad to have seen all my Work before me , in case I should think fit to make a Work of it . The delay of your Publishing that History , and the consideration of your Lordships Age and mine , are the occasions of this Letter , whereby I inform you , that as no man now alive is better able than I am to give an account of the Principal Transactions during the Rebellion in Ireland ; so no man is possessed of more Authentick Commissions , Instruments , and Papers ; all which , or Transcripts of them , you might have Commanded , before you set forth your Reflections : But possibly to have stayed for them , might have lost you a seasonable opportunity of Publishing your abhorrence of the Irish Rebellion , and your Zeal against Popery : What your Lordship might then have had , you may yet have , because I had rather help to prevent than detect Errours , but then I must first know to what particular part of your History you desire Information , and how you deliver those parts to the World and to Posterity . If after this Offer your Lordship shall proceed to the Conclusion and Publication of your History , and not accept of it , I must before-hand Appeal from you , as from an Incompetent Judge of my Actions , and a partially engaged and an unfaithful Historian . My Lord , Your Lordships most Humble Servant , ORMOND . Dublin , 12. Nov. 1681. A LETTER From the Right Honourable ARTHUR EARL OF ANGLESEY Lord Privy-Seal , In Answer to his GRACE the DUKE of ORMOND'S Letter of November the 12 th . 1681. About his Lordships Observations and Reflections upon the EARL of Castle-Haven's Memoires , concerning the Rebellion of Ireland . LONDON , Printed for N. P. 1682. A LETTER From the Right Honourable ARTHUR EARL OF ANGLESEY , &c. My Lord , YOUR Graces of the 12 th of November , I received towards the end of that Month , and was not a little surprized , after being threatned above a year with your Graces Answer to the Observations and Restections on my Lord Castle-Haven 's Memoires , which your Grace takes notice you had seen above a year before ; to find them only most Satyrically burlesqued , and my intentions in the Writing of them most unnaturally misinterpreted and misjudged , without giving instance of any one particular , which could so much transport your Grace , or interest you to judge of a Letter of mine to another , with so invective heat and mistake . Your Graces Letter therefore consisting only of Generals , I can no otherwise adapt my Answer , ( after a most serious revision of my Book upon this Occasion ) but by giving the reverse of your Graces strain'd and erronious Affirmatives by my plain and true Negatives , till your Grace shall administer occasion , by Communicating the particular Animadversions your Grace hath been ( as I hear ) so long about . The Reasons leading your Grace to believe it impossible I could be the Author of that Discourse , I cannot admit , though they import a fair Opinion of me ; and that in the beginning of your Letter your Grace had better thoughts than when your Hand was in and heated . I do therefore absolutely deny that I affirm any Matters of Fact positively in that Book , which are easily or authentically ( or at all ) to be disproved . Or that from those Matters of Fact , grosly mistaken , it deduces Consequences , raises Inferences , and scatters Glances injurious to the memory of the Dead , and the Honour of some living ; among which your Grace finds your self worst treated . This being so , your Graces unjust Inferences from the time of its Writing , and the misjudging the design of the Author , give no countenance or occasion to your Graces Rhetorical Character of the Times , though I joyn in all , but the Opinion your Grace seems to have taken up that there is a Plot , ( other than that of the Papists ) to destroy the Crown and Church ; a Discovery worthy the making , if your Grace knows , and believes what you Write ; but how I am concerned to have it mentioned to me , I know not , your Grace can best tell what you intend to insinuate thereby . These are your Graces Reasons why you were not willing to believe that Book to be of my Composing , yet you cannot leave me without a sting , in your expressing the hopes which succeeded them , viz. That some of the Suborned Libellers of the Age had endeavoured to imitate me , and not I them . Whether I should imitate Suborned Libellers , or they me , would be all one for my Reputation ; because I were grosly Criminal in the first , and must have been so before in your Graces Opinion , or they could not imitate me in the second : Your Grace will want Instances in both , except this of your own making ; and therefore there must be some other reason why your Grace did not believe ( if really you did not ) that Discourse to be of my composure . But this admitted for truth ( as it is undoubtedly ) your Grace in the next place calls the World to judge whether Pen , Ink , and Paper , are not dangerous Tools in my Hands . I remember the Times , when they were serviceable to the Kings Restoration , and constant Service of the Crown , or craved in aid by your Grace , that you did not account them so ; and it is much to my safety that they are not so in your Graces Hands , though I find them as sharp there as in any mans alive . Your Grace being at length assured I was the Author , your next care was to spend some thoughts to vindicate Truth , the late King , your self , your Actions , and Family , all reflected upon , and traduced ( as your Grace is pleased to fancy ) by that Pamphlet . But your Grace had no cause to trouble your thoughts with such Vindications , unless you could shew where in that Book they are reflected upon and traduced , no such thing occurring to me ( upon the strictest revisal ) nor ever shall be objected to me with Justice and Truth . After your Grace hath brought it to the Coffee-Houses , ( where I believe it never was till your Grace prefered it to that Office ) and where you have doomed it to expire , as Writings of that Nature and force use ( you say ) to do ( for which I shall not be at all concerned ) you rested without troubling your self or any body else with Animadversions upon my mistakes , which your Grace is pleased to say are so many and so obvious ( though you name none , nor do they occur to others ) that you wonder how I could fall into them . If your Grace believe your self in this , you seem to have forgot the long time you spent in considering and animadverting upon that despicable Pamphlet , with your Labours whereon I was threatned by some of your Graces Relations for many Months ; and your Grace hath redeemed the delay , by the virulent general Reflections you have now sent me , which yet I doubt not will evaporate or shrink to nothing , when your Grace shall seek for Instances to back them , whereof if you can find any , I claim in Justice they may be sent me . Your Grace adds , That you have been in expectation that by this time my compleat History would have come forth ; wherein ( if you may judge by the pattern ) your Grace saith , you have just cause to suspect , that neither the Subject nor your self will be more justly dealt with than in that occasional Essay ; and therefore offer me all the helps of Authentick Commissions , Transactions and Papers your Grace is possessed of , whereof you inform me none hath more . This is an anticipating Jealousie , which no man living can have ground for ; and when my History shall be compleated ( which is now delayed for those Assistances your Grace is so well able , and so freely offers to afford me ) though my weakness may be exposed , my Integrity and Impartiality shall appear , and your unjust suspicion will , I doubt not , cease , if Truth may be welcome to you , and not accounted one of the dangerous Instruments in my Hand ; by which having incurred your Anger and Enmity in the first Essay , I have slender hopes to be more acceptable in the second ; though I resolve to hold to the first approved Law of a good and faithful Historian , which is , That he should not dare to say any thing that is false ; and that he dare not but say any thing that is true , that there be not so much as suspicion of favour or hatred in his Writing . And this might give a Supersedeas to your Graces unseasonable Appeal , before a Gravamen ; though I never intended , by relating the truth of things past , to become a Judge of your Graces or any other mans actions , but barely Res gestas Narrare , for the information , correction , and instruction of this Age and Posterity . Your Grace desiring to know to what particular parts of my History I would have Information , I shall at present only mention these . The Intrigues of the Cessation , and Commissions for them and the two Peaces of 1646. and 1648. forced upon the King by the Rebellious Irish . The grounds and transactions about depriving Sir William Parsons from being one of the Lords Justices , and then dismissing him , Sir Adam Loftus Vice-Treasurer , Sir John Temple Master of the Rolls , Sir Robert Meredith Chancellor of the Exchequer , &c. from the Council-Table . The Mystery of Glamorgan's Peace , and his Punishment . The several ungrateful Expulsions of your Grace by the Confederate Roman Catholicks . The passages concerning the Parliaments Present of a Jewel to your Grace . The Battles , Reliefs , Seiges , and Chief Encounters in your Graces time . The Proceedings between your Grace and the Roman Catholick Assembly of the Clergy in 1666. with the Commission for their Sitting . The Plot for surprizing the Castle of Dublin , in which Warren and others were , with the Examinations , and what Offenders were Executed , &c. And any thing else your Grace judgeth of import to have conveyed to Posterity . Other parts of the History shall be proposed to your Grace in my Progress , and before I put my last Hand to it , with a resolution , that though I may have been sometimes mistaken in Judgment : yet as I never did promote the report of a Matter of Fact which I knew to be false , so I never would . Which I am induced the rather to mention , because your Grace saith , you had rather help to prevent , than to detect Errors . My Lord , Your Graces most humble Servant ANGLESEY .