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A29331) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 57688) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 172:13) A narrative of the proceedings of a great councel of Jews assembled in the plain of Ageda in Hungaria ... to examine the Scriptures concerning Christ, on the 12th of October 1650 / by Samuel Brett, there present ; also a relation of some other observations in his travels beyond the seas ... Brett, Samuel. [4], 12 p. For Richard Moon ..., Printed at London : 1655. Reproduction of original in Bodleian Library. eng Judaism -- Relations -- Christianity. Voyages and travels -- Early works to 1800. A29331 R19639 (Wing B4400). civilwar no A narrative of the proceedings of a great councel of Jews, assembled in the plain of Ageda in Hungaria, about 30 leagues distant from Buda, Brett, Samuel 1655 5244 0 0 0 0 1 0 19 C The rate of 19 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2003-05 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2003-05 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2003-09 Jonathan Blaney Sampled and proofread 2003-09 Jonathan Blaney Text and markup reviewed and edited 2003-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A NARRATIVE Of the PROCEEDINGS Of a great Councel of JEWS , Assembled in the Plain of Ageda in Hungaria , about 30 Leagues distant from Buda , to examine the Scriptures concerning Christ ; on the 12th of October 1650. By Samuel Brett there present . Also , A RELATION Of some other OSERVATIONS in his Travels beyond the Seas ; and particularly , in Aegypt , Macedonia , Dalmatia , Calabria , Apuleia , Cicilia , Assyria , Sclavonia , France , Spain , and Portugal ; the Islands of Cyprus , Candia , Pathmos , Delphos ; the Cities of Carthage , Corinth , Troy , Constantinople , Venice , Naples , Leighorn , Florence , Millaine , Rome , Bottonia , Mantua , Genoa , Paris , &c. Printed at LONDON for Richard Moon at the seven Stars in Paul's Church-yard , neer the great North-door , 1655. To the READER . THere was nothing I more desired , then to travel beyond the Seas , and to know the various manners of the Nations of the World : for which , through God's providence , I had an opportunity offered me , to my great satisfaction , being Chirurgeon of an English Ship in the Streights , where , for a cure that I did for Orlando de Spina of Gollipulo , an eminent man in those parts , I was by him preferred to be Captain of a Ship of Malta , which was set out by the said Orlando , and committed to my command against the Turks in the Arches , in assistance to the Venetian service : in the which service I spent about nine monthes , till the tempestuous season of the yeer enforced me to return into Harbour again . And in this time of employment , I made five fights at Sea , and two at Land ; being chosen by lot to invade the Turk's Country , with a certain company of Souldiers collected out of our Fleet , to do some execution upon the borders of the Enemy , and to get some provision for our relief ; in all which fights ( although very perillous ) God gave me the Victory . The whole time I spent beyond the Seas , before and after this employment , was almost four yeers , not staying long in any one place . But first I traveled to all the Sea-towns of note for Merchandizing , to know the Trade of the places , and the conveniency of their Harbours , that I might be able to do some profitable service in Merchant affairs . Also I travelled into several Countries , and the most eminent Cities and Towns therein , viz. Aegypt , Macedonia , Dalmatia , Calabria , Apuleia , Cicilia , Assyria , Sclavonia , some parts of Spain and Portugal ; to the Islands of Cyprus , Candia , Pathmos , Delphos ; to Carthage , Corinth , Troy , Constantinople ; besides many other Towns and Places : but my longest abode was in Italy , and therein at Venice , Naples , Leighorne , Florence , Millaine , Rome , Bottonia , Mantua , Genoa , &c. And at last looking homeward , I came into France , taking a brief veiw of many eminent places in that Kingdom . And at Paris I found many of my Country-men , ( of which though some be persons of great quality , yet ) God knoweth they are in a low condition . And now I shall give a brief account of some of my Observations , during the time of my abode beyond the Seas . Some OBSERVATIONS in my Travels beyond the Seas . AT Paris our Country-men live peaceably , and enjoy our Religion without disturbance . There is a place allowed them , with necessary accommodations for the exercise of Religion . Doctor Steward did often preach to them : and for their form of worship , it is the same that was formerly in England , with the Book of Common-Prayer , and the Rites therein used ; and also they continue the Innovations that were practised by many of our Clergy ; as , Bowing at the Name of Jesus towards the Altar , &c. which I know giveth offence to the good French Protestants , who to me did often condemn those Innovations for Romish Superstitions : doubtless , they would do our Church , and our Religion more credit there , if they did use less Ceremony . As for the French-Papists , truely they are more civil to them , then was expected : for the Opinion of the World where I have been , is but mean of that Nation . And I believe the Italian may be their Cousen-German , for both of them are false and faithless enough . And this consideration ( God having taken away Orlando my noble Friend , who did alwayes much countenance me ) did lessen my affection to continue in that service ; for my Souldiers were all Italians ( except a few Greeks : ) and I never saw much cause to be confident in their fidelity ; but it was chiefly for fear of him , that they were so tractable to me . As for Religion , in most parts where I have been , it is generally the same with the Church of Rome : but for the Grecians ( for amongst them I was ) they are neither pure Protestants , nor pure Papists ; I mean , neither onely Protestants , nor onely Papists , but their Religion is a mixture of both : for though they hold some Fundamentals with us , yet they follow many of the Romish Superstitions ; and ( according to my observation ) they follow more the Religion of Rome , then the Protestant Church ; and they are much poysoned with Heresies . But of all Nations , according to my observation , none are more zealous for the Religion of Rome , then the Spaniards , who , I think , for this , are more Romanists then the Romans themselves ; for with them there is an Inquisition , and in Rome I never heard of the same dangerous snare : there I had as much freedom , as I could desire ; and more courtesie then I could expect , without any temptation to apostate from my Religion . As for the Occurrences that I met with , they were many : but these four were the most considerable : First , The strangling of the great Turk by the Janizaries , at which time there was great fear and trouble in Constantinople ; but they enthroned his Son , and this brought a peaceable settlement : and with him there were cut off divers Basha's heads ; all whose heads ( excepting the great Turk's ) lay three dayes in Chargers before the Palace Gate , for the publick view of the people ; which they say is the custome for the Noblemen that are beheaded . The next thing is , The flowing of the River Nylus in Aegypt , the manner whereof is this : it beginneth to flow about the fifteenth of Iune every yeer : the people know the time thereof , and expect it accordingly ; and this is after their Harvest , which is usually ended about the beginning of May . As for Rain , there seldome falleth any in Aegypt . During the time the River is up , all the Country appeareth like Islands . Their Towns are seated upon Hills , and their lower Grounds are all covered with Waters ; and the Inhabitants use small Boats to pass from place to place about their affairs : and because they know the yeerly flowing of Nylus , they provide for the safety of their Cattel till the Waters are wasted away again . There are also certain Pillars of Stone set up , with divers marks upon them , by which they know the degrees of the rising , and the usual heighth that the Waters do ascend unto ; and if the Waters do ascend above the highest mark , they do expect some strange consequence thereof . But the greatest wonder is , the present cessation of the Plague upon the flowing of this River . There died some thousands of the Plague the day before the flowing of Nylus in Grandcairo , as they certified me ; & a day or two after , not one person more died of the Infection . This I observed , that the Land is full of unhealthy fogs , mists , and vapours , which cause the disease ; and it seems the Waters of Nylus do purifie it again . In the Kingdom of Grandcairo , alias , Pharaoh's Town , is the City , and it is greater then any elsewhere I did behold ; but Memphis is the neater City : and being there , I went to see the Land of Goshen , where the Israelites did inhabit : this is a very pleasant and fruitful Land for Pasture , such , as I have nowhere seen the like . At this time also , I had an opportunity to see the Red-sea , and the place where ( as they enformed me ) the Israelites did enter their Journey through the same : there also they shewed me the great Mountains that inclosed them , when Pharaoh pursued them with his great Army ; and the Hills where the two Armies lay in sight one of another : and there I found the true reason why it is called the Red-Sea ; not because the Water is red naturally , but because the Sand is red ; and this was clear to me , by plain demonstration : for I put some of the Water into a clean vessel , and there I did see it had the same colour of other Water ; but the Sand is reddish , and giveth the same colour to the Water . I shall omit many other things concerning Aegypt ; onely this , it is under the Turk's Dominion , and the Natives are his miserable slaves . Thirdly , You may expect some news from Rome , where also I was , and did behold their great Solemnity , it being then the Anno Sancto , as they there call it , that is , the yeer of Jubilee . There I beheld the Pope in his glory , and how in great state he was carried about the City : the streets were thronged with the people ; and as he passed by , they made them even to ring with acclamations and rejoycings : he was carried by some eminent men , having a rich Canopy over him . He made his Crosses in the Air with his fingers , and threw his blessings amongst them . And truly these delusions were so prevailing with the people , that ( poor souls ) they seemed to me to rejoyce , as if Christ himself had been come to Rome , and brought them down the foelicities of Heaven . At one time I beheld in Naples ( perhaps it will seem strange , but it is true ) about eight thousand Pilgrims going to Rome , for their absolution ; all which the Vice-Roy of Naples maintained three dayes at his own charge ; and on the fourth day , they did present themselves before him at his Palace in Prilgrim Weeds , ( viz. ) with leaden Pictures of Saints in their Hats , with leather Collers about their Necks , which fell down half way over their Arms , and their Staves in their Hands ; and thus they marched away from Naples , in the posture of an Army towards Rome , and so farewel Rome : Vidi , satis est vidisse . I omit to recite many other occurrences , which by conferrence I shall willingly communicate to my Friends ; they being too many to commit to writing : onely now the fourth remarkable thing remaineth to present you withal ; and that is , The proceedings of a great Councel of Iews assembled in the Plain of Ageda in Hungaria about thirty Leagues distant from Buda , to examine the Scriptures concerning Christ ; on the twelfth of October 1650. It hath been much desired by many honest Christians , that this Narrative of the Iews Councel should be published , which I did intend only to communicate to private friends : the chief Argument by which they have perswaded me to do it , is , because they do conceive it to be a preparative and hopeful sign of the Iew Conversion ; and , that it will be glad tidings to the Church of Christ ; and therefore I have yielded to satisfie their desires therein . And thus it was : At the place abovenamed , there assembled about three hundred Rabbies , called together from several parts of the World , to examine the Scriptures concerning Christ : and it seems this place was thought most convenient for this Councel , in regard that part of the Country was not much inhabited , because of the continual wars between the Turk and the King of Hungaria : where ( as I was informed ) they had fought two bloody Battels : yet both Princes , notwithstanding their own differences , did give leave to the Iews to hold their Councel there . And for their accommodation there , the Iews did make divers Tents for their repose , and had plenty of provision brought them from other parts of the Country , during the time of their sitting there . There was also one large Tent , built onely for the Councel to sit in , made almost foursquare ; the North and the South part of it , being not altogether so large as the East and West part thereof . It had but one Door , and that opened to the East ; and in the middle thereof , stood a little Table and a Stool for the Propounder to sit on , with his Face towards the Door of the Tent . The said Propounder was of the Tribe of Levi , and was named Zacharias ; and within this Tent round about were placed divers forms for the Consulters to sit on . It was also inclosed with a Rail , that stood a distance from it , to prevent entrance to all strangers , and to all such Iews as could not prove themselves to be Iews by Record , or could not dispute in the Hebrew-tongue , which many had forgotten which lived in such Countries , where they are not allowed their Synagogues , as in France , Spain , and those parts of Italy that do belong to the King of Spain , viz. the Kingdom of Naples , with the Province of Calabria , and Apuleia ; the Kingdom of Cicilia , and Sardania ; in which places , if a Iew be found , and he deny the Popish Religion , he is in danger to be condemned and executed for it ; and yet profit and benefit allureth them to dwell in those Countries , notwithstanding their fears and dangers : and themselves are willing to forget , and so neglect to teach their Children their native Language , rather then they will lose their opportunity of profit : and some have burned the ancient Records of their Tribe and Family , that they might not be discovered by searching , or otherwise . And for this defect , that they could not prove their Tribe or Family , they were not permitted to come within the Rail , but were commanded to remain without with the strangers that remained there , to see the issue of their proceeding , which were above 3000 persons , and they were for the most part of them Germans , Almaines , Dalmatians , and Hungarians , with some Greeks , but few Italians , and not one English man that I could hear of besides my self . I was informed , that the King of Hungaria not favouring the reformed Religion , did give no encouragement to any Protestant Churches to send any Divines thither ; but he did allow , that some Assistants should be sent from Rome : and their coming thither did prove a great unhappiness to this hopeful Councel . When the Assembly did first meet , they spent some time in their mutual salutations ; and , as their manner is , they kiss'd one the other's cheek , expressing much joy for their happy meeting : and all things being provided for their accommodation , they considered of the Iews that were to be admitted Members of this Councel ; and they were onely allowed to be Members , which could by Record prove themselves to be native Iews ; and for defect herein , I observed above five hundred refused : though doubtless they were true-born Iews , yet they could not by Record prove themselves so to be ; and for this they were not admitted to be Members of the Councel ; but they did abide without the Rail with the strangers that were there : and the number of them that were accepted to be Members , was about three hundred Iews . And this was all that was done the first day . On the second day , the Assembly being full , the Propounder stood up , and made his speech concerning the end of their meeting : And , This , said he , is to examine the Scriptures , concerning Christ , whether he be already come , or whether we are yet to expect his coming . In examining this question , they searched the old Testament with great care and labour , to be resolved of the Truth thereof , having many Bibles with them there for this end . And about this Point there were great Disputes amongst them . The major part were of Opinion , That he was not come : and some inclined to think that he was come ; being moved thereunto by their great Judgement , that hath continued now this 1600 years upon them . I remember very well , one of the Councel in his conference with me , seemed to be very apprehensive of the great and long desolation of their Nation , ever since their destruction by the Roman Emperours ; and he imputed this their affiction to their impenitency , and comparing their present Judgement , with their other Judgements they had suffered before . The same he ingenuously confessed , that he did conceive it was for some great wickedness ; and that their Nation was guilty of the blood of the Prophets sent from God to their Nation , and the many Massacres that had been committed by the several Sects and Factions amongst them . For ( said he ) we are no Idolaters , neither do I think we were guilty of Idolatry since our captivity in Babylon ; and therefore ( said he ) I do impute this our calamity and present judgement , to the forenamed causes . And this was the sum of that which was disputed amongst them the second day of their meeting ; and so they adjourned till the next morning , which was the third day of their meeting . When being assembled together again , the point that was chiefly agitated was concerning the manner of Christ his coming . And , This , some said , shall be like a mighty Prince , in the full power and authority of a King , yea , in greater power then ever any King had ; & that he will deliver their Nation out of the power of their Enemies , and their Temple shall be rebuilt again ; and , that the Nations shall be of their Religion , and worship God after their manner . For they hold , That the Messiah will not alter their Religion , whensoever he cometh . And further , concerning his Parentage , they did agree in this , that he should be born of a Virgin , according to the prediction of the Prophets ; and they agreed also , that he may be born of such a Virgin , which might be of mean note amongst their Nation , as was the Virgin Mary . And here some of them seemed to me to incline to think that Christ was come . Therefore when they came together again the next day , the Propounder demanded of them , if Christ were already come , and who they thought he was : and to this demand , they gave this answer , That they thought Eliah was he , if he were come , because he came with great power , which he declared by slaying the Priests of Baal : and , for the fulfilling of the Scripture , he was oppressed by Ahab and Iezabel : yet they esteemed him to be more then a mortal man , because he so strangely ascended up into heaven . And because this opinion was contradicted by others , the day following they tooke into examination the same question , to answer them that said Eliah was not the Messiah . They of the contrary opinion did urge the care and love of Eliah , for the good of their Nation , in that he left them Elisha his disciple to teach and instruct the people ; which they expect to be the care of their Messiah . These were the chief Arguments they had to defend their opinion : and the same day towards night , it came into question amongst them , What he then was that said he was the son of God , and was crucified by their Ancestors . And because this was the great question amongst them , they deferred the further consideration thereof , untill the next day . When meetting again , the Pharisees , ( for some of this Sect were amongst them , that were always the enemies of Christ ) they first began to answer this last nights question ; and these by no meanes would yeeld that he was the Christ ; and these reasons they gave for their opinion . First , because ( said they ) he came into the world like an ordinary and inferior man , not with his scepter , nor Royal power ; wherewith they affirmed the coming of Christ should be Glorious . 2. They pleaded against him the meanness of his birth , in that his father was a Carpenter ; and this they said was a dishonor , that Christ should not be capable of . 3. They accused him to be an enemy to Moses law , in suffering his disciples , and in doing workes himself , that were prohibited on the Sabbath day : for they believe that the Messiah will punctually and exactly keep the law of Moses : and where the Gospel doth testifie of Christ , that he did fulfill the law , they reject the Testimony thereof , because they do not own the Gospel . But I observed , these reasons of the Pharisees , did not satisfie all that heard them , but there still remained some doubt in some of them concerning Christ ; for there stood up one Rabbie called Abraham , and objected against the Pharisees , the miracles that Christ wrought whil'st he was upon earth , as his raising of the dead to life again , his making the lame to walk , the blind to see , and the dumb to speake . And the same Abraham demanded of the Pharisees by what power he did these Miracles . The answer the Pharisees returned to him , was to his purpose : They said he was an Impostor and a Magitian ; and Blasphemously traduced him of doing all his Miracles by Magicke : thus , said they , he first caused them to be blinde , to be dumb , to be lame ; and then by taking away his Magical Charme , they were restored to their former condition . Nevertheless this answer gave little Satisfaction to the said Abraham ; but thus he replyed , that he could not charme those that were borne in that condition , as blind , &c. and borne also before Christ himself was borne ; as it appeareth some of them were : this seemed to him an absurd paradox ; and truely the pressing of this argument , did almost put them to a nonplus , till at last they had this evasion ( though weak and vile ) they were ( said they ) by other Magitians convinced to be so in their mothers wombs ; & that although himself were not then borne when they were born with these evils , yet he being a great dissembler , & more cunning then any Magitian before him , power was given him by the Devil , to remove those charms which others had placed : and there was one Pharisee named Zebedee , that of the Pharisees there did most opprobriously revile him , and Vehemently urge these things against him ; but I conceive he did it not to the well-liking of many there that heard him , even members of the Councel . And as the Pharisees that day played their parts against him : so did the Sadduces also endeavour , ( for some of that sect were also of the Councel ) to render Christ vile and odious to the rest of the Iewes that were assembled there . I observed it was with them as it was once with Herod and Pilate ; though they two could not agree betwixt themselves at other times , yet they could agree together to crucifie Christ ; for the Pharisees and Sadduces , though they be much divided in opinion among themselves , yet did they at this time too much agree to disgrace and to dishonor Christ with their lyes , calumnies and blasphemies ; for the Sadduces as well as the Pharisees , did in other things accuse him for a grand Impostor , and for a broacher of corrupt doctrine : in that in his Gospel he teacheth the resurrection from the dead , which they there denyed to be true doctrine : but it is no new thing to see factions dissenting , to agree in some evil designe against others , as I found it by experience : being at Rome in the year 1650. which was the year of their Iubilee , there was a great strife between the Iesuites and the Fryers of the order of Saint Dominicke , both which were against the Protestants : and although their differences have been by the care and vigilance of the Pope , so smothered , that the world hath not taken much notice thereof , yet this fire broke out into a flame greater then ever it was before , ( as they certified me there ) both by publicke Disputings , and by bitter Writings one against another , opening the vices and errors of one anothers Faction , thus seeking to disgrace one the other ; which caused the Pope to threaten to excommunicate the authors of all such black and libellous bookes , that did tend to the dishonor of his Clergy and Religion , to make them infamous to the world . But this by the way . We are come now to the seventh and last day of their Councel ; and on this day , this way the main Quere amongst them : If Christ be come , then what rules and orders hath he left his Church to walke by ? This was a great Question amongst them : and because they did not believe the new Testament , nor would be guided by it , they demanded some other instruction to direct and guide them in this point : thereupon six of the Roman Clergy ( who of purpose were sent from Rome by the Pope , to assist in this Councel ) were called in , viz. two Iesuites , two Friers of the Order of S. Augustine , and two of the order of S. Francis : and these being admitted into the Councel , began to open unto them the Rules and Doctrine of the holy Church of Rome , ( as they call it ) which Church they magnified to them , for the holy Catholike Church of Christ , and their doctrine to be the infallible Doctrine of Christ , and their Rules to be the rules which the Apostles left to the Church for ever to be observed , and that the Pope is the holy Vicar of Christ , and the successor of Saint Peter : and for instance in some particulars , they affirmed the real presence of Christ in the Sacrament , the Religious observation of their holy dayes , the invocation of Saints , praying to the Virgin Mary , and her commanding power in heaven over her Son , the holy use of the Cross and Images , with the rest of their Idolatrous and superstitious worship ; all which they commended to the Assembly of the Iewes , for the Doctrine and Rules of the Apostles . But so soon as the Assembly had heard these things from them , they were generally & exceedingly troubled thereat , and fell into high clamours against them and their Religion , crying out , No Christ , no Woman-God , no intercession of Saints , no worshipping of Images , no praying to the Virgin Mary , &c. Truely their trouble hereat was so great , that it troubled me to see their impatience : they rent their cloaths , and cast dust upon their heads , and cryed out aloud , Blasphemy , blasphemy ; and upon this the Councel broke up : Yet they assembled again the eighth day ; and all that was done then , was to agree upon another meeting of their Nation three yeers ; after which was concluded upon before their final dissolution . I do believe there were many Iewes there , that would have been perswaded to own the Lord Jesus : and this I assure you for a truth , and it is for the honor of our Religion ,