The crafts-mens craft. Or The wiles of the discoverers. In abusing and incensing authority and the people against innocent and harmlesse men, by false accusations, and sophistical suggestions: viz. because they are not formalists they are atheists: because not superstitious, therefore irreligious: because they are against tyranny and oppression, therefore they are against government, magistracy, and laws: because for good and equal laws, therefore for no order or distinctions, and for equalling mens estates, &c. and these delusions are here cleerly manifested. / By H.B. H. B. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A78129 of text R206018 in the English Short Title Catalog (Thomason E561_11). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. 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Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A78129) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 117462) Images scanned from microfilm: (Thomason Tracts ; 86:E561[11]) The crafts-mens craft. Or The wiles of the discoverers. In abusing and incensing authority and the people against innocent and harmlesse men, by false accusations, and sophistical suggestions: viz. because they are not formalists they are atheists: because not superstitious, therefore irreligious: because they are against tyranny and oppression, therefore they are against government, magistracy, and laws: because for good and equal laws, therefore for no order or distinctions, and for equalling mens estates, &c. and these delusions are here cleerly manifested. / By H.B. H. B. [2], 13, [1] p. Printed by J. and J.M. for W.L. at the signe of the Black-moor, within Bishopsgate, London : 1649. A reply to: Canne, John. The discoverer, Part I. Annotation on Thomason copy: "June 25". Reproduction of the original in the British Library. eng Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657 -- Early works to 1800. Canne, John, d. 1677? -- Discoverer, Part I. Levellers -- Early works to 1800. Sedition -- England -- Early works to 1800. A78129 R206018 (Thomason E561_11). civilwar no The crafts-mens craft. Or The wiles of the discoverers.: In abusing and incensing authority and the people against innocent and harmlesse m H. B. 1649 8865 160 0 0 0 0 0 180 F The rate of 180 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the F category of texts with 100 or more defects per 10,000 words. 2007-12 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2008-01 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2008-02 John Pas Sampled and proofread 2008-02 John Pas Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion The Crafts-mens Craft . OR The Wiles of the Discoverers . In abusing and incensing Authority and the People against innocent and harmlesse Men , by false Accusations , and Sophistical Suggestions : viz. because they are not Formalists they are Atheists : because not Superstitious , therefore Irreligious : because they are against Tyranny and Oppression , therefore they are against Government , Magistracy , and Laws : because for good and equal Laws , therefore for no Order or Distinctions , and for equalling mens Estates . &c. And these Delusions are here cleerly manifested . By H. B. And they consulted together that they might take Jesus and kill him . Mat. 26.4 . And the Jews which were of Asia moved all the People , and said hands on Paul , crying Men of Israel Help , This is the man that teacheth all men every where against the People , and the Law , and this place . Act. 21.27.28 . Be not a witnesse against thy Neighbour without cause ; for wilt thou deceive with thy lips ? Prov. 24.28 . Go not forth hastily to strife , lest thou know not what to do in the end thereof when thy Neighbour hath put thee to shame . LONDON Printed by J. and J. M. for W. L. at the signe of the Black-moor , within Bishopsgate . 1649. THE Crafts-mens Craft . BE a cause never so good , and the men never so innocent that promote it ; yet if it cross the stream , and be in dis-favor with Authority ; it shall be sure to bear the brand of the worst Design , and be clothed with the foulest and most deformed shapes that Ar● and Malice can invent . This is so far from being a new thing , that almost every Age , History , and Country , gives abundant instances thereof : So that though the present Oppressed Party ( usually , but opprobiously , called Levellers ) suffer much , yet they suffer no more then what the Prophets , our blessed Sav●our , his Apostles , the Martyrs , the Protestants in times of Popery , the Anabaptists , Puritans , Presbyters , in times of Episcopacie , the Separatists , and Independents , during Presbyterie , have endured before them . And why should not we also taste of that cup , so many , and so good having drunk deep draughts of it ? The Potion may indeed be bitter , but 't is medicinal , and will ( by making us watchful and circumspect in all our waies and actions ) preserve us ( I hope ) from many frailties and infirmities we might otherwaies through the pravity of mans nature , be apt to slip into : So we may say with King David , It is good for us that we have bin afflicted , for otherwise we had gone astray . However , the Guilt of Josephs Brothers , in going about to Murder him , was ne●er the less , because it prov'd the means of making him the Preserver of Gods People in Aegypt : the Rods ( though Instruments of Chastisements in the Lords hand ) are commonly thrown into the fire . And in Testification of this also , History , and our own Experience , is very copious . The times are necessitous , and rewards are to be had , Is it to be supposed therefore , that officious , needy , or ambitious men will be wanting to themselves in this particular ? what way so easie to wealth , advancement , offices ? The labors of a mans life cannot produce so much , as a weeks time in a handsome , well-wrought , artificial fiction : Alas ! what 's thirty pieces now ? 't is nothing ; every Spy and Intelligencer that is but any thing his Crafts-master , proposes a greater largess for the Traps and Pit-falls he makes for innocent and harmless people : And therefore , what wonder is it that our Friends in the Tower , before their close Restraint , had almost every day some Visitants , that under the disguise of Friendship , came to Ensnare and Betray ; and that it is already come to that pass , that a man dare hardly trust his Bosome-Friend , nor communicate himself to any man , without fear and inward reluctance ? What wonder is it that a busie and subtile People , should make it their work to vilifie and reproach us ; to mix with all companies , and scatter false reports and forgeries of us ? hoping thereby first to possess mens minds , knowing how difficult a thing it is ( eradicare errorem ) to remove a Bel●ef ( though never so slightly grounded ) that has took root in them ? For when a scandal is once entertain'd , 't is afterward reported ; and the Parties reporting , are thereby engaged , not onely to stand to the justification of that , but then greedily to suck in all new calumnies , so to keep down the injur'd from ever ha●ing opportunity to right themselves . What wonder is it to see book after book to fly abroad ( like the Spirit of Delusion amongst the false Prophets ) to furnish every mans mouth with a false Accusation aga●nst Us ; and , as we have endeavored the good of all , to make us hated by all ; to take away first our Reputations , that so they may the more easily take away our Lives ; to mis-guide and incense Authority , and the People against Us , by falsly charging us with such things as are of greatest abomination to Us ; that so they may the better cry out , Crucifie , Crucifie , Away with such Monsters from the Earth , it is not fit they should draw breath amongst us ? And why all this ? But because we are faithful to the sublike interest , and will not shut our eys , and stifle our Consciences , but dare still urge for those good things have bin so often declared for , and promised ; and can by no baits , threats , or allurements , be drawn there-from . Much time hath bin spent already , and much hath bin said for our Vindication ; but there are some men , who hearing , will not hear ; and seeing , will not understand ; whose work it is , not to believe , nor to suffer others to be rightly informed ; they should then ( ●l●um , & operam perdere ) lose their Labour , and peradventure the Recompense of their Reward too . They have now sumd up all in a Book call'd the Discoverer , which is for the most part of it , the old Scandals new modell'd ; Calumny clothed in a more Scholastical Habit , and confident ( as the Custom is ) of easier admittance , because of its finer Apparel . At first it was usher'd into the world by the Recommendation of the Councel of State ; I know not whether that Honor was really conferr'd , or fictitiously imposed , because in the Copies last Printed , the Councel of State is left out , and the Authors only ( and those unknown too ) substistuted in their rooms : But admit the first , 't is very usual , all know , for Authority to be misinformed , especially when they have as yet only heard but the Accusing Party : When the Iews had said many ( and those grieveous ) complaints against Paul ; questionless , the Spirits both of the hearers , and of his Iudges were very much incensed against him ; but after he had pleaded for himself , the tyde was turn●d ; Festus found nothing worthy of death in him , and Agrippa was almost perswaded to be a Paul . For my part , I make no doubt , but if the Par●iament and Councel of State will in time see how exceedingly we have been in●u●ed by the malevolent Reports of bad men , and that both the Ends we aime at , are in themselves good and beneficial to the Common-wealth ; and the means we have used for the accomplishment thereof , very lawful and justifiable : Which that they may , I shall make bold to do the best I can to discover our Discoverer , his Wilts and Fallacies I mean ; in doing whereof , I shall not trace him in every politick and extravagant excursion , to which I shall only cursorily and occasionally speak , but as my main drift , extract so much out of him , as is most material , and whereto he seems to ●ring's proof ; the rest every un-prejudiced Reader will ( I suppose ) of himself see thr●ugh , and take , as the customary Stratagems , that Designing-men use to make others odious . But before we come to his Particulars , we also shall make one Observation , as giv●ng light to our present Discovery . Prudential and ●ood men do well observe , that when a People or Party prove Obstina●e , that is , constant to their Engagements , and resolute in the promotion of those things that tend to the good of the Common-wealth ; and can by to means be taken oft , or with-drawn , to the promotion of another Interest ; that then the common and politick cu●●om is , to make them odious , that ●o ( since they will not assist ) their complaints and opposition shall be as in-ef●ectual and inconsiderable as may be : And in making them odious , there particular Waies and Methods ( amongst many others ) are used . 1. To aggravate every weakness and frailty of any particular man , and impute is to the whole Party . 2. To contrive , and confidently affix such Scandals upon them , as are most distasteful to the People , and most difficultly disproved . 3. To impose upon them the deviations of other men , not of their Party ; and yet make the World believe they are . 4. To Interpret their Intentions , and make indirect Inferences upon their Words and Act●ons ; as , that because they are against Tyranie and Oppression , therefore they are against Magistracy and Government ; because they are for an Isonomie , Impartiality or Equality in the Law , therefore they are for no Order of Distinction , and for Equalling mens Estates . 5. To cry down , and charge them with Hypocrisie , but in the highest and most visible manner exercise it themselves . 6. To evade the point in Controversie , or the real Difference ; and divert every mans thoughts there from , by false Accusations , and Reports , for that end raised , and taken up . 7. To up-braid them with their poverty , and intimating false and groundless surmises thereupon . 8. To invent nick-names , importing that of which they are not guilty : To charge them with Heresie , Atheisme , Anti-Scripturisme , Sedition , Treason , &c. and any thing that is of ill Report among men ; That these , even all of them , and many more , both have bin , and are taken up , and made use of by the Discoverer , and others against us , is as cleerly to be seen , as was Gehazie's leprosie on his fore head ; which shall more cleerly be manifested in the following Treatise ; and we do desire the Reader to take good notice of it : For doing so , he shall the bet●er know the Tree by the Fruit . That we have urg'd the Removal of Tythes , Excise , Free-quarter , and other Taxes , and Grievances , is as the Discoverer saies , very true : and 't is as false that we have done it either to Ingratiate our selves , or to make the people disaffected towards the Parliament . If he could truly enter into our hearts , as he takes upon him to do , he would find , that the onely motive engaging us to press for their Removal , is our sense of the burden , and our compassion towards those that are more prest ( especially by Free-Quarter ) then our selves . We see not but that the Parliament may remove them ; and their Declaring so often that they will , is a motive to us ( it being not done ) to press them for the doing thereof . During their Session , what hath bin more usual almost in every bus●ness that ●s in demur or suspense ? Why should that therefore be justifiable in all others , and condemnable in us ? 2. For the impossibility of removing them , by which the non-removal is justified : Under favor , he must excuse us if we see it not : We both see that it may be done , and how it may be done ; and have many things to offer in order thereunto , but that we can have no favorable acceptance . 3. He urges , That 't is by our means burdens are continued . 'T is easily said indeed , but most difficultly ( we may say impossibly ) proved ; for what is not true in it self , cannot be proved . If one hundred thousand pounds , and twice the sum too , be spent upon Intelligence , are we to be blamed for it , that have no other weapons but Prayers and Petitions ; and put the Common-wealth to no other trouble or charge , but what goes to the reading and debating our humble Addresses ? For the passages urg'd out of The Picture of the Councel of State , the Letter of Lieut. Col. J. Lilburn , and R. Overton , to the General , and other writings that concern men so able to write in their own Vindication , I purpose to leave them to the Defence of their own pens ; onely I could wish that they and the Discoverers were upon even terms ; and that the one for speaking were not in hope of a reward , and the other in fear of a punishment . For those harsh Expressions which have past some of our Friends writings , though we could wish they had not bin provoked thereunto , or that being provoked , they had forborn ; yet Affliction , Oppression , and that hard measure they judge they receive in their Sufferings , may well excuse that heat and tartness that many times comes from them ; and we could wish likewise they had no cause . But on the other side , Has it not bin with Interest return'd by their Adversaries upon them ? And does it not strike deeper too ? Amounting to no less than an endeavor to take away their lives : We will agree with you , if you please , to perswade with our Friends on both sides , to forbear all bitter language ; and desire you that you would press them likewise with those four Argumen●s which for that end you urge upon us . Sir , We know very well the disadvantages we●ly under , in that most of you are Politick men , that have studied the Behaviors and Rules of other Politicians , and have acquired thereby , an Art of Commanding your Passions ; Whereas we engage out of the Plainess and Singleness of our Hearts , and Desires of Good to the Nation , and have no Arts of Concealing our Intentions or Passions ; Our Spirits presently rise when we see things done to the prejudice of the Common-wealth ; and in this regard , haply we may have somwhat disadvantaged our selves . Your Story of Duron , you might have spared ; for you know well , our Expressions were higher before the restraint of our Friends , than since ; onely I see , you are willing to show u● ( though not the railing of your Tongue , yet ) the Rancor of your Heart . You are very pleasant with your Fables in other mens calamities ; and like the Harpiae , that sing at the cries of Mariners , and a Shipwrack , so do you sport your self at the sad afflictions of your Brethren ; and are very Poetical in your Malice , but very ridiculous withal ; for otherwise you could not imagine , that the vehement and hasty Expressions of our Friends , can be supposed by them to be a means to get themselves out , since in natural consequence , they must rather be judged the means to keep them longer in : From whence you may conclude , that they flow from them rather by instigation and necessity , than any Designe . For the relinquishment is spoke of in the Manifestation , of many good things proposed ; it relates most to the Army , who have relinquisht many good things presented in their Agreement : Neither do we so much press for Speed in the doing them , as Assurance that they shall be done . And though our Impatience be often urg'd upon us to our prejudice , yet we could instance a Time , and a Declaration ( which the Discoverer has forgot ) wherein these very Grievances of the People , which are not yet removed , were said to be so pressing , that but so many ( and those very few ) daies , could be allowed for their Removal . Sed non videmus ie manticae quod in tergo est . In other mens faults we are like Linceus , in our own Sand blind , and cannot see at any distance . You are pleased to give your guess and interpretation of our thoughts , what we mean by good things : and contrary to your own Rules , p. 27. Interpret all to the worst . We mean by good things , not what you Surmise ; but we Express in our Petitions , Representation , and Agreement : He that but conjectures at that which is not , when he may be ascertained from that which is , must either be a weak , or a wicked man . We are neither for Delay , where it is Dangerous ; nor for Hast , where it makes Wast : But as for good things , so for a fit and convenient season , which we judge to be now ; and if it is not , let us have good reason for it , and we shall be satisfied . You next come to Particulars , whither I will make bold to follow you . You urge , that though you know we profess , and urge our Manifestaon for it , that we believe there is one Omnipotent God , the Author and Preserver of all things in the World , &c. yet you suppose us Atheists , and say in our Profession we are Hypocrites . Alas ! How fain would you have us worse than we are ? How sorry are you that we are not so bad as you would have us ? What pains you take to make us seen to be what indeed we are not ? Atheists . If so plain and candid a Profession we have made , and you have recited , and our endeavors to square our lives answerable thereunto , be not sufficient to confirm men in a Belief of our Acknowledgement and Submission to a Deity ; what else can be ? I profess I know not . What greater Testimony can you give us , of your not being Atheists ? But you have reasons to believe us to be Hypocrites : I pray , let 's examine them . Alas , how you deceive the World ! They are Citations out of a Book none of us own , called , The New Law of Righteousness : What an Inference is here ! A certain man to whom we have no Relation , has wrote a Book wherein are many particulars : From whence you infer the denyal of a Deity ( and that but falsly too , as he will tell you ) and therefore we are Atheists . Good Sir , Speak no more of Incongruities in us , so long as you can pass this over in your self . But you further urge M. Overtons Book , denying the Immortality of the Soul . Si● , if you had perused the Book , you would have found , that though he asserts the Mortality of the Soul with the Body , yet he grant , also , and affirms that the whole man rises again , and both Body and Soul comes to judgement . So that the whole controversie in his Book , is only of the nature of the Soul ; And his opinion therein , though different from the common strain , yet when t●ken together , and not in piece-meal , it implies , and presupposes a Deity , and a Resurrection : And therefore here also you demonstrate , either your ignorance , in not exam●ning his Book , ( which since you take upon you to judge , you ought to have done ) or your wilfulne●s ( to say no more ) in making a false conclus●on , that the premises no way will hear . Lipsius in his Politicks , and Livie in his History , and some other of the Heathens , tell you ( you say ) That Religion , and Gods Worship , is necessary for t●e Saf●ty and Prosperity of a Common-wealth . You a●e inform'd well ; neither do we think otherwise ; But what 's your inference hence ? Nothing verbal , but tacitely you imply , and you would have the World believe , that we are wor●e than the Heathens ; because we would have no Religion : you suppose you have prov'd it before ; which whether you have or no , let the world judge . The Presbyters are against Toleration , though the Independents are for conformity ; cleerly this is your Argument ; for there it as g●eat disparity between the opinions of those he cite , and us ; as between the Presbyters and Independent . T is true indeed , we are not so much for the Formal , or rather Suppo●●tious part of Gods Service , further than is cleer and evident unto us ; but for the real and practical part of his Worship , we wish we could more exactly sq●are our lives thereunto ; and I hope it will be every day more and more our endeavors that we may : But where we have not sufficient grounds , and certainty in the things , and judge the essential wanting , who●e we cannot take things upon ●rus● , and a traditional conveyance , as others can ; there we suspend our practise ; and from hence , because we will not be superstitious , we are said not to be Religious . The Ordinances were intended for the Comfort and Confortation of man ; and therefore , certainly for our own sakes , we would not neglect any of them , where we have plain and certain grounds for exerci●e thereof ; But for conforming our lives and conversation according to the Rules and D●ctates of Scriptures , which are plain , obvious , and ●ndisputable , ( which S. James define to be Pure Religion ) this is pr●ncipa●ly to Honour God ; viz When our Light doth so shine before men that they seing our good works , may glorifie our Father which is in Heaven . Truly Sir , we ever took good life not for the smoke , as you express it , but the substantial part of Gods Service : Neither do we neglect , or have any other than precious e●●eem o● the Ordinances , all things essential to the●r practise being present ; You do us exceeding wrong therefore , and your self too , to shew so much weakness , as to brand us ( and that upon so slight grounds , and no proof ) with Atheisme ; especially considering how far the prejudice of such a slander will extend against us . A● Atheist is not fit for humane Society , for he has no●ty upon him , nothing within to check him from rushing with greediness upon any evil his lust or advantage can prompt him ●o ; He will say any thing of any man , do any thing against any man to prof●t himself ; No Law holds him , no Promises , no Engagements , where they may safely , and for his commodity be broken : He saies not onely in his Heart , but ●n all his Actions , There is no God : And according to this Descr●ption ( which certainly comes neer the matter ) The greatest Atheists are Politicians . Not such as out of singleness of heart do the●r Countrey Service , and for that end , expose themselves to all hazards , neglect the Pomp and Van●ty of the Wor●d ; and count it better to suffer affliction for a good Cause , than to enjoy the pleasures of Sin for a season . You have words no question , and fine stories ; and can by a cuning contexture thereof , make any thing of ●ny thing ; but when a right judgement is made , and matters cloe●ly lookt into , without the Spectacles of Prejudice , and the false Opticks of your Imagination ; we doubt not to stand right in the opinion of all good people , that take things as they are ; not as they are gloss'd and painted over , with such colours as your ends and interests engage you to set upon them . But you have one nail more to fasten Atheisme upon us , and that is , That in all our Agreement , there is not one thing proposed for the holding forth , and furtherance of Gods Worship and Service ; whereas in all other Platforms , you say , though drawn up by Heathens , Religion alwaies had the first place and pre-eminence : And the implied conclusion from hence must be , That we are men of no Religion ; for that you are undertaking to prove . Answ. 1. That the same complaint lies against the Agreement of the Army in this particular , as against us ; For Religion had neither the first place there , nor was there any plat-form for the holding forth of Gods Worship and Service , more there than in ours : So that mutatis nominibus de Vobis Fabula narratur : His Excellency , and the Officers of the Army , by the same inference , must be his Atheists . The Parliament has already established a Form and Method of Religion ; which as they have power to do , so is there no Restriction in the Agreement , but that they may at all times have the like ; For , where they are not restrain'd , there they are impowred . When are we like to have an Agreement , if there must be in it a Plat-form for Religion ? Considering the un●versal difference and discord●ncie in mens sp●rits about matters of Religion : We have done as much ( we think ) in that particular , as is necessary ; in making necessary Cautions and Reserves against Compuls●on and En●orcement ; Further we could not go , w●thout the hazard of having no Agreement at all , if we had put that into it , to which before-hand we were certa●n the people could not agree . For the Parishoners chusing their own Ministers , 't is no more but what in most places they may do already ; and where Patrons are that impose , is there not the same likely h●o● that they may impose a Turk , or a Jew upon a Parish , as that the Parishoners should chuse one ? Will a Patron think you , be more careful of them , than they are of themselves ? Every straw ( I see ) must be brought to your Building : Note also what your Inference must be hereupon ; We would have the People chuse their own Ministers , therefore are we Atheists , and would have no Religion : And to itch up this pitiful Argument , the Anabaptists of Munster ( Levellers you now call them ) must be brought in : The old trick of the Bishops , and of every body else , that have Designes on foot ; Where Proof is wanting , there Resemblances are insinuated in their stead ; and Comparisons made either in such things as are true of neither , or e●se , the Party that is to be made odious , is likened to such as are alre●dy odious , in some particulars not material ; and yet thereby is suggested a similitude in all the rest . You have their proofs that we are Atheists ; which though they promised you should be cleer and certain , out of our own Books ; yet you see , when touched , they fall to dust ; like the fair seeming Apples of Sodome , and remain rather as proofs of their rancor and spleen against us ; or else , of their Stratagems and Designs upon us : Non ut Probant loquntur , sed ut Decipiant : They speak not to prove , but to deceive . Their next work is , to make us Levellers ; In order whereunto , they cite two passages in the Manifestation , page 4. As , First . We profess , we never had it in our thoughts to level Mens Estates ; it bring the uttermost of our aime , that the Common wealth be reduced to such a pass , that every man may with as much security as may be enjoy his Propriety . And Secondly , Vnderstanding by levelling , an Equalling of mens Estates , and taking away that Right and Title that every man hath to what 's his own : To attempt an enducing the same , is most injurious , unless there did precede an Vniversal Assent thereunto , from all , and every one of the People . Thus far the Manifestation : From whence they make this Paraphrase ; Disc As if they should say the thing is good , onely wanting means and power at present , it must be left , till there be further opportunity to do it . What is in these mens brain , or what in their hearts , that they can so confidently abuse us , and the World , yea , and themselves most of all ? For apparent falshood , are like Arrows shot upright , that fall down upon the head of the Shooter . What Bars and Bolts have we put against levelling , in our Petitions , Agreement , and all our Writings ? How have we declared it to be without the Power of Parliament it self to do it , answered the Objections concerning the Primitive Christians Community ? Every thing we have brought to light , our Proposals , Articles , and Provisions , do all cleerly , and evidently imply and relate to Propriety ; and yet to see , when it concerns men that the World should believe us to be Levellers , how against all light , and apparent certainty of the contrary , they can urge it upon us . But they have further proofs , viz. Expressions our of our Writings , that do imply it as cleer as day . I confess the Citations they have brought there , do not onely imply , but express it ; But the Expressions cited , and the Books out of which they cite them , are no more ours , or owned by us , then by them that cited them : And what dealing I pray is this , to lay other mens infirmities upon our shoulders ? His Inference is , West●s horses came into Gladmens Grounds , therefore Fields Cattel shall be pounded . This is such a way to make men guilty , as was never heard of before , I think : A sure way , for allowing it , no man can be innocent : This is so far from taking doubtful actions in the best sense , and to make the Fairest and Noblest construction in things dubious , which is the Discoverers rule , p. 27. that instead thereof , where Actions and Words are plain , and no waies dubious ; he puts a contrary sense upon them , and will force upon us , things which we utterly disclaim . Two leaves he has spent in citations of this nature , which we shall not speak to , because they concern us not ; but shall onely desire , that the Inferences and Applications which are made thereupon , may ( and we know they will ) by all ingenuous men , have no reflection at all upon us . But before they leave this , they be think themselves , that our profession against Levelling , is very plain and s●gnificant in the Manifestation and therefore they have found a device to enervate and weaken it , as they th●nk ; and that is a special one ; you shall hear it . When we say , that Levellihg is injurious , unless there did precede an Vniversal Assent in All , and Every One of the people : First , they object , that we imply that the thing in it self is good . 2. That by All , we mean All Restrictively ; that is , Some and those the poor Commoners . To the first we answer ▪ that we cannot suppose , nor do we think any Rational men do believe the thing unlawful in it self ; for then the Primitive Christians d● unlawfully : But we say , it is unlawful and in●ur●ous for any sect or sort of men , to impose or enforce it ; but that to make it lawful , there must be an unanimous and ●ndividual assent of every man thereunto : And for a further Vindication in this point , we refer to our Manifestation . The second Objection is the most absurd and groundless surmise , that ever any men took up ; That we should mean by All , onely Some ; God defend us from such contrar●ety between words and meaning ; between the Tongue and the Heart : May our da●s be shortned , and the course of our lives expire before its natural Term , rather than we live to such a degree of Imposture , and wicked Reservation : There is not any thing our souls do more abhominate ; and we desire a●l men to consider , how extremely in this particular we are abused . It our writings that are permanent , be thus wrested to a sense contrary to what in themselves they import ; how much more will they , and how much more indiscoverably may they abuse us in our Speeches and Discourses , which a●e semper in trans●●● , n●●hing remaining of them to cleer themselves , and evidence the falshood of the Report . How careful were the Manifestators to express themselves so plainly , so fully , as to put it past being mis-understood ; Vnless there did precede an universal assent from all and every one of the People : Three bolts they made , as if they had fore-seen an intention in the Discoverers , to force a passage here , into their Reputations ; and yet all will not serve the turn : Paul must be a Pestilent Fellow , Our Saviour● a Perverter of the Nation ; and therefore , let them bear themselves how they will , and say what they can ; the Bow is drawn , and the Arrow must fly abroad . However , the Wo●ld may see by this , that 't is not Truth that guides these Discoverers but Design ; a handsom Fiction will go as far ( they think ) as Verity , till it comes to be laid open , and then ( as in tricks of Legerdemain ) the wonderful Art is but cleanly conveyance , and slight of hand : So here , the whole Accusation amounts to no more , but a Fiction well mou●ded , a Fable artificially contrived , and told by a voluble Tongue , and an inventive brain ▪ 'T were well though , that somthing else were the subject matter of these mens dexterity , and not their Brethren●Lives and Reputations . We have done with their two principal Discoveries ; viz. That we are Atheists , and Levelle●s : which though at first they promised to demonstrate by Reason and Proof abundantly ; yet have they ( as many confident Merchant ▪ use to do ) failed in the performance , and made it evident to all , that thereby they intended onely , to pre-occupate the peoples understandings , that men might piece up the defects and deficiencies of the Discoverers Reasons and Arguments , with their willingness , and easie credulity . The next charge is , our Sedition , and raising Discontents , and Differences amongst the Souldiers , and incensing them against their Officers ; by commending the Goodness and Fidelity of the one , and decrying the Apostacie , Ambition , Perfidie , and Cruelty of the other ; and by making the People out of love with the Parliament . To this we answer ; That the proofs urged for the making of this good , are many of them out of books not owned by us , and therefore of no validity against us . The places that are cited out of some of our Books , are cited but piece-meal , without the preceding and subsequent passages , necessary for the clearing our intentions , and manifesting the grounds and reasons of those passages : Allowing this Liberty ; it is an easie matter by the Armies writings , to make them Traytors to the Parliament . Is it so unpardonable a crime for Inferior men to find fault with such as are in Authority , as to be judged therefore Traytors , Seditions , Mutineer● ▪ &c. That they must therefore suffer death for it . Disc. p. 33. Be cut asunder alive : ibid Be Hanged up in the most noted places of the Land : Nay , and be kill'd by any body that meets them ? Certainly this Doctrine is but of a late Stamp and Coynage : At New-marker it was otherwise , at Reading , Hammer smith , and many other places : If it be considered how much good hath arisen to this Common-Wealth by some irregular●ties that in probability but for them , we had bin ruined ; such complaints certainly as the Discoverer mentions , which are far short of forcible Opposition and Resistance , which has by others bin exercised , would find a gentles , and more favorable sentence . If a General turns his Canon against the Souldier , or the Pilot steers upon a Rock ; the Souldier may resist the one , and the Mariner ; prevent the intended mischief of the other : So say the Declarations of the Army ; and make themselves Iudge of the Parliament : Declar. Novemb 30. 1648. p. 5. I see Beams are but Motes in some mens eys , and in other some , Motes are made Beams . I wish to God there were no ground of just complaint , and that every jealousie may be presented by an actual performance of Promise● , and the many good things declared : Would it be so , I should judge it the happiest time that ever came to England , and the best way to secure all men that have served their Country , to allay all differences and discontents , to answer all scruples and objections . And I do likewise wish , and heartily desire of that party ( for so it will be called ) of which I am , that they would Interpret all things to the best ; and allow , that though they see what things ought to be done ; yet that they may not see that onely so much , as things stand , can be done ; and accordingly to bear themselves . I speak not this , either for fear , of inf●rmations much less to administer an excuse for neglects or miscarriages ; but onely out of my desire to chalk out to both a way to union , if it be possible ; which I think is of greatest concernme●t to both , and to the Common wealth that may be . For Expressions that have bin Bitter of either hand , it may be I may be mistaken , but I judge it best that they be remited and forgotten by both : I speak without commission , but I think , not without reason , and a due regard to both . If words have bin high from some of us , the provocations considered , and that their speeches have not bin altogether causless ; considering likewise , that the men so speaking , have spent themselves for their Country , and cannot in truth be said to have other ends , than its Freedom and Safety ; having never either kept the Tract , or used the means to make themselves great or rich , but slighted both ; which is no small badge of their Integrity : These things considered ( I say ) it will be no bad advice I believe Recepini canere ; to found a Retreat ▪ and bethink our selves of the impossibility of a perfect ●in on , unless there be some Rem●ssion of all hands , of the dangers of our differences , in case the enemy ever appear again : and of many other particulars that might be urged , but tha● some will be apt to surmise , that this proceeds from the apprehension of our present condition and not from a desire of peace , and strengthning the Nation by a good and well joynted union ▪ However , it has ever bin counted good advice to the wisest States , to stint and moderate their fortunes ; and in greatest successes , rather to look backward than forward ; and rather to stop the current of dangers ensuing , than to follow the stream of that Victory , by which they may be more encreased ▪ 'T is Tacitus advice , Securitati potius , quam potentiae consulere ; to consult rather our Security , than propose the increase and inlargement of power : This Advice haply will be dis-relisht ; and who can help it ? However 't is given . But we urge against Martial Law , and so endeavor the breaking of the Army ; For how can an Army subsist without Discipline ? and where is Discipline , if there be no Martial Law ? Answ. That what the Law is express against , that we may urge against : But the Law is express against Martial law in time of peace ; Ergo ▪ Our Ancestors it seems knew very well the rigor and severity of that Law that aptness of its being extended beyond the camp , a chlamyde ad Togam ; from the Sould●er to the Citizen ; and many other inconveniences of it ; and therefore have expresly provided against it ▪ exercise in times of Peace . And cer●ainly , other men ought not to plead for that the Law provides against : Nor ought our Desires to be so slighted and condemned , that are grounded upon express Law . And whereas the Discoverers urge , that we have made hurly-burlies , and therefore by our own Arguments it may be exercised now ; We answer , First , That he is mistaken in his major , and takes that for granted , which we laterly disclaim , and is in it self false . 2. That allowing it to be true , yet our pleas against Martial Law , were before the hurly-burlies . 3. His conseque●ce is very infirm ; For the meaning of Times of Peace , is according to Sir Edw. Cook , When the Courts of Justice are open ; in whom is to be had Iustice against all Faults and Offences . Some other Excursion , and Expostulations are made hereupon by the Discoverers , which we onely desire may be read : we conceive there needs no answer . For the remaining part of their Book , 't is spent in confuta●ion of the first and second part of Englands New Chains Disco●ered : In doing whereof , I command their wisdoms for caving out the most , and most considerable parts thereof ▪ as ●ut 〈◊〉 f●othy , and impertinent passages : they have as safe a combat of this ▪ a● he that fenc'd with the ●ree , and need not fear any steping from beh●nd it : T is a hands●m predicament we are in , be●ng made Traytors for holding our peace ; for what can't Art and Sophistry do ? and we should hardly scape he la●n or Treason , if in this case we should speak . 'T is a meritorious work indeed , and a gloriou● conquest , fir●t to hold our hands , and then to buf●et us ; To ●ag , and then re●●●e us : Howe●er , we had thought these times , and men pretend●ng to Freedom ▪ wou●d never have found fault with some things therein ; which have from the b●gini●g of these Distractions bin justified by the ablest and most ingenuous men . But when is it a better time to condemn th●ngs good then when no man dares appear in their justification ? I wish some other way might be found to unt●ngle tho●e chains ; Non respondendo , sed ar●ndo ▪ not by an●wer●ng , but doing : Herodian . — The Ey● are Credulous , when the Ears are not . The Paper will remain , and when compar'd with the An●●ers in the Di●coverer , disgusts I fear , and dis-●at●sfactions will continue ; as finding that the Childs Shoe cannot cover the mans foot : The things desired , are generally confest to be good , but the season is dislik●t , and haply the expression : For the last , let the strong bear with the weak : For the first , T is not good to be overmuch fixt and peremptory : Let assurance be given that they shall a● a better reason be done , and see whether that will not satisfie . Consider however , that e●ght yeers waiting may beget some impatience ; and on the other side , that they that have waited eight yeers , may tarry a little longer : Thus it will become us all , one sort and another , to be indeed rather umpires , than parties ; to press for those things that are desired ; not as engaged men , or as particularly concern'd , but as Agents or Factors for the Common wea●th ; not with heat , but reason ; not with reviling , but perswas●on ; The one makes parties and sets us at variance , the other begets Love and Concord , a●d will make it appear one to an●ther ( though I would have it be in reality , and not onely in appearance ) that though we may differ in the way , yet we really intend one anothers good . I pray God in the first place , to incline my heart exactly to fol●ow this Councel ; and I think it will be needful also for all and every one of all parties ; and above all things , to intend un●on ; for as the Discoverer observes , M Walw●n well know , That by Concord ▪ the least things encrease ; By Discord , the greatest come to nothing . And though it 's said of us , that we follow the rule of Divine & Impera , Devide and Reigne : yet all impart●al men cannot but impute the following of that cursed maxime to any , rather than to us . For we not onely have declin'd all means of rule , having never put our selves forward , or bin eager in the pursuit of Offices ; but our principles also do so bound all Officers to Express Rules , Limits , and Accounts , as that the gain will not much over-po●●e the labor ; and we could wish it at that pass , and questionless it would be so , were it not for the large Revenue , opportunity of corruption , &c. that instead of hunting after them , men should rather desire to dec●ine them , and that the discharge thereof , should be taken as a Favor , and acceptable Service to the Common-wealth . Other Scandals there are dispersed through the Book ; but because they are here●o●ore answe●ed by us , we shall not need to say any thing particularly to them , but refer the Reader to the Manifestation , the Fountain of Slander opened ; the Charit● of Church men ; desiring onely that notice be taken , that where answers be given ( as in that slander against M. Walwyn of perswading the Woman to make away with her self ) the answers are not considered and disprov●d , but the slanders afresh reported ; as if satisfaction were not desired , but rather slighted , as a means to prevent the intended work of making us odious . And so we have done with the first part of the Discoverers ; onely we shall make one observation ; that what our party principally stick● to , they altogether decline ; viz. Our Mani●estation , and the Agreement : By the one , unjust Aspersions are wip'd on , and we manifest what we are not ; By the other , we evidence to all the World what we are , and what we seek for . Other papers are personal , and concern haply this or that man , as they have bin by occasion and provocation necessitated from them ; but these do more generally concern us all , and are own●d by the Party : And therefore , it will do better hereafter , that men make not excursions a causa , ad non causam ; from the cause , to the accident● : In the last , we say we center and acquiesce , especially in a constant and frequent Representative ; and shall even judge it our duties to press for the Establishment thereof . And so till the Second part of the Discoverers , we shall take respite ; desiring that they may well consider the evil effects which have proceeded from Officious mens incensing and mis-guiding Authority ; And that Ahassuerus had never bin so violent against the Jews , but for the instigations of Haman ; Nor Paul●s Compan●ons suffered so much at Macedonia , but for the Covetousness of Demetrius and his Crafts-men . FINIS .