More vvorke for priests: or An answere to George Giffords pretended defence of read prayers and devised leitourgies comprised in the first part of his booke; intituled A short treatise against the Donatists of England: wherein is proved that the serving of God in such away [sic] and manner is a superstitious and vaine worship. Written by John Greenwood Christs faythfull martyr: here-unto is added by another man, many other argumers [sic] against stinted service and booke-prayer.
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             More vvorke for priests: or An answere to George Giffords pretended defence of read prayers and devised leitourgies comprised in the first part of his booke; intituled A short treatise against the Donatists of England: wherein is proved that the serving of God in such away [sic] and manner is a superstitious and vaine worship. Written by John Greenwood Christs faythfull martyr: here-unto is added by another man, many other argumers [sic] against stinted service and booke-prayer.
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             More
             vvorke
             for
             PRIESTS
             :
             OR
          
           AN
           ANSWERE
           TO
           
             GEORGE
             GIFFORDS
          
           pretended
           defence
           of
           
             Read
             Prayers
          
           and
           devised
           Leitourgies
           ,
           comprised
           in
           the
           first
           part
           of
           his
           booke
           ;
           Intituled
           
             A
             short
             Treatise
             against
             the
             Donatists
             of
             England
             :
             Wherein
          
           Is
           proved
           that
           the
           serving
           of
           God
           in
           such
           away
           and
           manner
           is
           a
           superstitious
           and
           vaine
           worship
           .
        
         
           
             Written
          
           By
           JOHN
           GREENWOOD
           Christs
           faythfull
           Martyr
           :
           
             Here-unto
          
           Is
           added
           by
           another
           man
           ,
           many
           other
           arguments
           against
           
             stinted
             service
             and
             booke
             prayer
             .
          
        
         
           
             Luk.
             16.
             15.
             
          
           
             
               That
               which
               is
               highly
               esteemed
               among
               men
               ,
               is
               an
               abomination
               in
               the
               sight
               of
               God
               .
            
          
        
         
           Printed
           in
           the
           yeere
           1640.
           
        
      
       
       
       
         
           The
           Preface
        
         
           MY
           first
           writing
           being
           about
           that
           spiritual
           exercise
           of
           prayer
           and
           true
           invocation
           of
           Gods
           reverend
           name
           ,
           whereby
           the
           distressed
           soule
           of
           man
           ,
           loaden
           with
           the
           burden
           of
           sinne
           ,
           compassed
           also
           about
           with
           so
           many
           deceitfull
           enimies
           ,
           continual
           assaults
           of
           Satan
           ,
           rebellion
           of
           the
           flesh
           ,
           entisements
           of
           the
           world
           etc.
           seeketh
           daylie
           help
           of
           God
           the
           Father
           ,
           giver
           of
           all
           good
           giftes
           ,
           having
           thorough
           Iesus
           Christ
           free
           accesse
           by
           the
           direction
           of
           his
           holy
           spirit
           ,
           for
           all
           occasions
           to
           unburden
           it self
           of
           whatsoever
           grief
           ,
           or
           occasion
           of
           thankes
           it
           is
           moved
           with
           :
           I
           ought
           stil
           ,
           and
           by
           Gods
           assistance
           shall
           keepe
           me
           in
           the
           meeknes
           of
           the
           spirit
           ,
           not
           withstanding
           his
           unchristian
           railinges
           ,
           slanders
           ,
           &
           reproches
           against
           me
           &
           the
           truth
           .
           I
           then
           shewed
           that
           no
           other
           prayer
           could
           utter
           and
           ease
           the
           severall
           occasions
           &
           distresses
           of
           this
           conscience
           ,
           and
           that
           no
           other
           mans
           writing
           could
           speake
           for
           this
           soule
           unto
           God
           ,
           but
           the
           heart
           and
           mouth
           of
           him
           that
           prayeth
           for
           himself
           ,
           or
           is
           chosen
           the
           mouth
           of
           many
           ,
           uttering
           to
           God
           his
           or
           their
           mindes
           for
           their
           present
           wātes
           or
           
           occasion
           urgeth
           ,
           and
           the
           spirit
           giveth
           utterance
           .
           And
           I
           further
           proved
           that
           onelie
           this
           prayer
           pleaseth
           God
           ,
           and
           is
           grounded
           on
           faith
           ;
           to
           this
           effect
           I
           brought
           many
           reasons
           out
           of
           Gods
           worde
           ,
           admiring
           the
           ignorance
           of
           this
           age
           ,
           wherin
           (
           having
           had
           the
           gospell
           of
           Christ
           thus
           many
           years
           in
           our
           owne
           language
           to
           search
           and
           try
           all
           things
           by
           )
           whole
           congregations
           doe
           make
           no
           other
           praier
           to
           God
           thē
           reading
           over
           a
           certeine
           number
           of
           wordes
           upon
           a
           booke
           from
           yeare
           to
           yeare
           ,
           moneth
           to
           moneth
           ,
           day
           to
           day
           &c.
           the
           same
           matter
           and
           words
           as
           they
           were
           stinted
           ,
           even
           out
           of
           that
           
             Portuis
             ,
          
           englished
           out
           of
           Antichrists
           masse
           booke
           ;
           besides
           private
           reading
           of
           menswritings
           instead
           of
           praying
           .
           And
           seing
           this
           counterfeit
           shew
           of
           worship
           and
           pretended
           prayers
           was
           made
           common
           marchandize
           in
           every
           assemblie
           by
           this
           Antichristian
           preisthood
           ,
           and
           that
           al
           men
           every where
           ,
           were
           compelled
           to
           bowe
           downe
           hereunto
           ,
           and
           to
           offer
           up
           such
           counterfeit
           sacrifices
           ;
           I
           perceaved
           the
           first
           principle
           of
           Religion
           )
           which
           is
           to
           invocate
           the
           name
           of
           the
           true
           God
           ,
           through
           the
           meditation
           of
           Christ
           in
           spirit
           and
           truth
           ,
           with
           heart
           and
           voyce
           ,
           for
           our
           
           present
           wantes
           according
           to
           the
           will
           of
           God
           )
           was
           never
           yet
           sincerely
           taught
           by
           these
           time
           serving
           Priests
           :
           But
           as
           an
           agreable
           service
           to
           the
           humors
           of
           earthlie
           minded
           ,
           men
           which
           have
           not
           the
           spirit
           of
           God
           ,
           this
           ware
           was
           thrust
           upon
           al
           people
           .
           They
           wel
           knowing
           ,
           that
           such
           a
           ministery
           and
           such
           a
           Church
           of
           wordlings
           could
           never
           have
           stood
           ,
           without
           such
           a
           Samaritan
           worship
           &
           Egyptian
           calf
           ;
           and
           like
           earthlie
           devises
           to
           counterfeit
           a
           Religion
           ,
           al
           men
           inclyned
           to
           some
           .
           And
           long
           have
           I
           heard
           this
           pretended
           worship
           inveyed
           against
           by
           many
           (
           sometimes
           zealous
           )
           for
           the
           errours
           and
           confused
           order
           thereof
           :
           Yet
           could
           I
           not
           heare
           anie
           to
           sett
           downe
           or
           teach
           ,
           which
           was
           the
           true
           prayer
           that
           only
           pleased
           God
           ,
           manie
           contriving
           divers
           formes
           of
           wordes
           ,
           as
           though
           they
           had
           knowen
           the
           heart
           of
           man
           ,
           counselled
           thē
           to
           reade
           them
           ,
           day
           unto
           day
           ,
           yeare
           unto
           yeare
           ,
           at
           evening
           ,
           morning
           ,
           dinner
           ,
           supper
           &c.
           by
           portion
           ,
           measure
           ,
           and
           stint
           ,
           as
           an
           offering
           to
           God
           what
           state
           soever
           the
           soule
           was
           in
           ;
           not
           teaching
           the
           difference
           betweene
           reading
           upon
           a
           booke
           ,
           and
           prayer
           unto
           God
           ,
           all
           the
           tyme
           .
           So
           that
           true
           and
           only
           prayer
           hath
           not
           beene
           
           taught
           all
           this
           tyme
           ,
           &
           those
           that
           knewe
           how
           to
           pray
           aright
           neglect
           it
           ,
           this
           reading
           being
           most
           easie
           as
           they
           thinke
           ,
           and
           they
           aptest
           therunto
           ,
           compelled
           in
           the
           publique
           assemblies
           thus
           to
           mocke
           with
           God
           ,
           after
           the
           manner
           of
           the
           papists
           mattins
           ,
           true
           zeale
           no where
           founde
           ,
           but
           in
           the
           persequuted
           remnant
           .
        
         
           These
           my
           first
           writings
           ,
           caryed
           abroode
           by
           such
           as
           desired
           true
           instructiō
           ,
           and
           willing
           to
           make
           others
           partakers
           of
           such
           benefits
           as
           God
           imparted
           unto
           them
           ,
           it
           fell
           into
           Mr
           GIFFORDS
           hand
           ;
           Who
           (
           as
           it
           seemeth
           being
           a
           marchaunt
           of
           such
           ware
           fynding
           the
           gaine
           of
           the
           priesthood
           to
           depend
           here
           upon
           ,
           or
           as
           he
           saith
           (
           
             the
             peace
             and
             uniformitie
             of
             the
             Church
          
           )
           made
           head
           unto
           it
           ;
           and
           that
           not
           with
           purpose
           (
           as
           the
           fruite
           of
           his
           labour
           sheweth
           )
           to
           edifie
           others
           ,
           but
           standing
           himself
           a
           minister
           to
           this
           
             Liturgie
             ,
          
           having
           made
           shipwrack
           of
           that
           conscience
           he
           sometimes
           was
           thought
           to
           have
           ;
           with
           all
           bitternes
           of
           spirit
           ,
           and
           carnal
           wisdome
           ,
           having
           no
           more
           savour
           of
           grace
           in
           his
           writings
           ,
           then
           there
           is
           taste
           in
           the
           white
           of
           an
           egge
           ,
           fleeth
           upō
           me
           with
           uncharitable
           raylings
           ,
           slanders
           &c.
           
           And
           loadeth
           not
           only
           me
           ,
           
           but
           all
           the
           faithfull
           that
           walke
           by
           the
           rule
           of
           Gods
           worde
           ,
           with
           opprobrious
           titles
           ,
           of
           
             Donatists
             ,
             Brownists
             ,
             Anabaptists
             ,
             Heretiques
             ,
             Schismatiques
             ,
             seditious
             ,
             foolish
             ,
             frantick
             ,
             &c.
          
           to
           bring
           not
           onely
           us
           ,
           but
           the
           truth
           of
           God
           into
           contempt
           with
           our
           Sovereigne
           Prince
           ,
           and
           all
           that
           feare
           God
           :
           for
           he
           ceaseth
           not
           with
           laying
           al
           reproches
           he
           can
           devise
           upon
           our
           persons
           ;
           as
           one
           of
           those
           
             Locusts
             ,
             Rev.
          
           9.
           whose
           similitudes
           are
           like
           unto
           horses
           prepared
           to
           battell
           ,
           whose
           faces
           like
           men
           ,
           but
           their
           teeth
           as
           the
           teeth
           of
           Lyons
           ;
           But
           also
           perverteth
           ,
           blaspheameth
           ,
           &
           by
           all
           meanes
           defaceth
           the
           truth
           offered
           to
           him
           .
           Welseing
           the
           natural
           mā
           perceiveth
           not
           the
           things
           of
           the
           spirit
           of
           God
           (
           I
           wil
           speak
           not
           here
           of
           the
           giftes
           of
           the
           spirit
           but
           of
           the
           grace
           of
           God
           which
           sanctifieth
           the
           same
           ,
           many
           having
           
             Charismata
          
           that
           have
           not
           
             Charin
             .
          
           )
           And
           seeing
           I
           am
           alreadie
           thus
           rent
           ,
           Gods
           truth
           delivered
           by
           me
           ,
           troden
           under
           his
           feete
           ,
           I
           will
           followe
           the
           councell
           of
           
             Salomon
          
           who
           forewarneth
           me
           that
           
             he
             which
             reproveth
             a
             skorner
             receaveth
             to
             himself
             shame
             ,
             and
             he
             that
             rebuketh
             the
             wicked
             himself
             a
             blot
          
           :
           And
           so
           tourne
           me
           from
           him
           ,
           leaving
           him
           to
           the
           consideration
           of
           his
           owne
           words
           :
           where
           he
           sayeth
           in
           his
           Epistle
           to
           the
           reader
           ,
           
             He
             that
             seemeth
             
             most
             zealous
             in
             Religion
             and
             refrayneth
             not
             his
             tongue
             ,
             hath
             but
             bitternes
             in
             his
             heart
             in
             stead
             of
             heavenly
             Zeale
             .
          
           And
           though
           nothing
           els
           can
           be
           looked
           for
           at
           their
           bandes
           that
           are
           Apostate
           from
           that
           light
           they
           have
           sometymes
           themselves
           published
           ,
           (
           of
           vvhich
           sorte
           the
           worlde
           was
           never
           more
           full
           )
           yet
           for
           the
           good
           of
           Gods
           chosen
           scattered
           abroade
           ,
           and
           for
           the
           defence
           of
           Gods
           trueth
           I
           cannot
           holde
           my
           tongue
           :
           And
           for
           the
           more
           playnenes
           ,
           I
           will
           answeare
           as
           to
           him
           ,
           though
           I
           minde
           not
           to
           have
           anie
           more
           to
           doe
           with
           him
           ,
           till
           God
           give
           him
           repentance
           .
           Wishing
           grace
           by
           the
           direction
           of
           Gods
           holy
           spirit
           to
           him
           that
           readeth
           ,
           to
           weigh
           both
           sides
           uprightly
           ,
           and
           to
           follow
           the
           truth
           to
           his
           owne
           salvation
           .
        
         
           
             JO
             .
             GRENWOOD
             .
          
        
      
    
     
       
       
         
           More
           works
           for
           Priests
           .
        
         
           
             GEORGE
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             To
             condemne
             &
             overthrow
             read
             prayer
             ,
             ye
             bring
             as
             the
             ground
             or
             foundation
             of
             al
             your
             matter
             ,
             this
             Sentence
             ,
             
               God
               is
               a
               Spirit
               &
               to
               be
               worshipped
               in
               Spirit
               ,
            
             Iob.
             
               4.
               
            
             This
             Scripture
             indeed
             is
             cleare
             &
             strong
             to
             cut
             downe
             al
             carnal
             worship
             ,
             as
             disgreeing
             from
             the
             nature
             of
             
               GOD
               .
            
             And
             if
             any
             maintaine
             that
             the
             very
             bodily
             action
             of
             reading
             is
             the
             worship
             of
             God
             ,
             it
             may
             fitly
             be
             alleadged
             against
             them
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             IOHN
             GREENWODS
             Answer
          
           
             
               Wisdome
               is
               Iustified
               of
               her
               Children
               .
            
          
           
             IT
             is
             agreed
             upon
             &
             consented
             unto
             on
             both
             sides
             ,
             that
             seeing
             God
             is
             a
             spirit
             ,
             &
             onely
             requireth
             such
             to
             worship
             him
             ,
             as
             worship
             him
             in
             spirit
             &
             truth
             :
             all
             carnall
             worship
             is
             cut
             downe
             hereby
             ,
             of
             what
             sort
             soever
             ,
             as
             disagreeing
             from
             the
             nature
             of
             God
             :
             &
             that
             all
             fantastical
             devises
             of
             men
             ;
             namely
             ,
             whatsoever
             is
             not
             warranted
             in
             his
             worde
             ,
             is
             carnall
             worship
             ,
             a
             wearisomnes
             unto
             him
             ,
             &
             lothsome
             in
             his
             sight
             :
             So
             that
             no
             man
             ought
             to
             intermedle
             ,
             attempt
             ,
             or
             practise
             any
             thing
             in
             shew
             of
             worship
             ,
             wher
             of
             they
             have
             not
             sure
             grounde
             of
             his
             worde
             :
             For
             even
             our
             God
             is
             a
             consuming
             fire
             .
          
           
             Now
             to
             put
             away
             all
             your
             (
             
               bodily
            
             )
             distinctions
             
             and
             earthly
             cavils
             ,
             I
             still
             affirme
             (
             as
             I
             have
             proved
             )
             the
             stinting
             ,
             imposing
             mens
             writings
             upon
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             to
             have
             them
             read
             over
             by
             number
             and
             stint
             ,
             or
             any
             other
             way
             ,
             as
             a
             worship
             of
             God
             instead
             of
             true
             invocation
             ,
             is
             a
             meere
             devise
             of
             man
             ,
             &
             so
             carnall
             worship
             ;
             as
             also
             all
             other
             reading
             of
             mens
             writings
             publiquely
             or
             privatly
             in
             this
             abuse
             ,
             for
             praying
             to
             God
             .
             Yet
             say
             you
             
               to
               apply
               this
               Scripture
               Iohn
               .
            
             4.22.23
             .
             
               in
               this
               manner
               against
               read
               prayer
               ,
               is
               frivolous
               ,
            
             where
             I
             appeale
             to
             all
             mens
             consciences
             ,
             for
             the
             weight
             therof
             .
             It
             is
             frivolous
             ,
             you
             say
             ,
             
               except
               I
               can
               prove
               that
               a
               man
               cannot
               pray
               by
               the
               spirit
               of
               God
               with
               sighes
               ,
               and
               groanes
               upon
               a
               booke
               ,
               or
               when
               prayer
               is
               uttered
               after
               a
               prescript
               forme
               ,
               &
               c..
               
            
             At
             the
             first
             step
             you
             goe
             about
             to
             alter
             the
             question
             .
             All
             our
             prayers
             ought
             to
             be
             uttered
             after
             a
             prescript
             forme
             ,
             even
             that
             perfect
             rule
             and
             forme
             our
             Saviour
             gave
             to
             his
             Disciples
             and
             all
             posterities
             :
             But
             this
             is
             nothing
             to
             the
             matter
             .
          
           
             For
             the
             other
             which
             is
             nothing
             but
             a
             begging
             of
             the
             question
             ,
             I
             alleaged
             certayne
             reasōs
             to
             this
             effect
             .
             First
             that
             those
             sighes
             &
             groanes
             in
             reading
             instead
             of
             praying
             were
             not
             of
             faith
             ,
             seeing
             that
             those
             sighes
             &
             grones
             that
             proceed
             of
             faith
             ,
             minister
             matter
             
             to
             pray
             without
             a
             booke
             .
             
               2.
               
            
             That
             you
             did
             but
             barely
             affirme
             the
             question
             in
             calling
             it
             prayer
             by
             the
             spirit
             ,
             when
             one
             doth
             read
             ,
             seing
             reading
             is
             not
             praying
             at
             all
             :
             for
             as
             I
             then
             alleadged
             ,
             to
             invocate
             the
             name
             of
             God
             in
             spirit
             ,
             is
             by
             the
             worke
             of
             the
             spirit
             to
             bring
             fourth
             of
             our
             hearts
             prayer
             to
             God
             ,
             which
             is
             then
             in
             truth
             when
             it
             agreeth
             to
             Gods
             word
             .
             But
             reading
             is
             another
             matter
             ,
             namely
             a
             receaving
             of
             instruction
             into
             the
             heart
             from
             the
             booke
             .
             Out
             of
             the
             first
             Mr.
             GIFFORD
             maketh
             men
             beleeve
             he
             hath
             fetched
             two
             heresies
             ;
             the
             one
             
               a
               perfection
               of
               faith
               ,
            
             the
             other
             
               that
               faith
               cannot
               be
               joyned
               unto
               ,
               or
               stand
               with
               anie
               outward
               helpes
               for
               the
               encrease
               therof
               .
            
             Litle
             marveile
             ,
             he
             found
             so
             many
             heresies
             in
             our
             whole
             writings
             ,
             that
             could
             finde
             two
             or
             three
             in
             my
             first
             reason
             :
             but
             that
             you
             may
             remember
             your self
             better
             (
             though
             you
             had
             two
             yeares
             to
             consider
             )
             I
             will
             bring
             the
             wordes
             before
             you
             againe
             ,
             if
             peradventure
             you
             may
             have
             grace
             to
             call
             backe
             your self
             .
             I
             said
             if
             the
             sighes
             &
             grones
             (
             in
             that
             kinde
             of
             praying
             )
             were
             of
             faith
             ,
             it
             would
             minister
             matter
             without
             a
             booke
             ,
             this
             sentence
             I
             may
             confirme
             by
             many
             testimonies
             of
             scripture
             ,
             that
             no
             perverted
             spirit
             can
             gaine
             say
             or
             resist
             :
             the
             scripture
             teacheth
             
             us
             every where
             ,
             
               that
               in
               praying
               the
               spirit
               onely
               helpeth
               our
               infirmities
               ,
            
             no
             other
             helpes
             mentioned
             or
             can
             be
             collected
             in
             the
             present
             action
             of
             prayer
             through
             the
             Scripture
             .
             
               He
               hath
               sent
               into
               our
               hearts
               the
               spirit
               of
               his
               Sonne
               crying
            
             :
             
             Abba
             
               Father
               ,
               we
               beleeve
               ,
               therfore
               we
               speake
               .
            
             Yet
             here
             is
             not
             any
             shew
             of
             perfection
             of
             faith
             ,
             but
             of
             the
             contrary
             ,
             praying
             for
             our
             wantes
             .
             But
             this
             may
             be
             gathered
             ,
             that
             God
             onely
             accepteth
             the
             fruits
             of
             his
             owne
             spirit
             in
             prayer
             ,
             and
             requireth
             no
             more
             of
             any
             ,
             but
             that
             every
             one
             according
             to
             the
             proportion
             of
             faith
             ,
             pray
             unto
             him
             ,
             as
             occasion
             in
             them
             requireth
             .
             Now
             to
             conclude
             that
             because
             in
             praying
             we
             neede
             not
             a
             book
             to
             speake
             for
             us
             ,
             when
             the
             heart
             it self
             &
             book
             of
             our
             conscience
             speaketh
             with
             God
             ;
             that
             therefore
             sayth
             never
             needeth
             instruction
             ,
             but
             is
             perfect
             ,
             were
             slanderous
             ,
             false
             ,
             and
             senselesse
             .
             The
             cause
             then
             of
             these
             heresies
             proceed
             hereof
             ,
             that
             your
             sel
             fe
             
               Mr.
               Gifford
            
             would
             needs
             frame
             two
             
               syllogismes
               ,
            
             &
             in
             the
             moodes
             of
             your
             malice
             ,
             constraine
             the
             propositiō
             of
             the
             present
             action
             in
             praying
             ,
             to
             a
             generall
             sentence
             of
             all
             times
             and
             actions
             .
             though
             both
             our
             question
             here
             was
             of
             the
             very
             action
             of
             praying
             ,
             &
             in
             the
             conclusion
             of
             that
             very
             point
             within
             six
             lines
             after
             this
             ,
             
             you
             ad
             these
             wordes
             ;
             
               Even
               in
               the
               time
               of
               their
               begging
               at
               Gods
               hands
            
             ;
             so
             that
             these
             heresies
             must
             be
             
               Mr
               Giffords
            
             and
             not
             myne
             ,
             seeing
             they
             are
             found
             to
             be
             coyned
             of
             his
             idle
             brayne
             ,
             and
             godles
             heart
             ,
             only
             to
             defame
             the
             trueth
             .
          
           
             But
             (
             say
             you
             )
             
               the
               most
               part
               are
               ignorant
               ,
               weak
               ,
               short
               of
               memorie
               ,
               &c.
               therfore
               need
               all
               helps
               to
               stir
               them
               up
               to
               pray
               ,
               &c.
            
             where
             ,
             by
             your
             own
             confession
             ,
             reading
             is
             not
             praying
             ,
             but
             a
             help
             to
             stir
             up
             to
             pray
             .
             And
             even
             hereupon
             al
             our
             errours
             arise
             ,
             that
             you
             cannot
             discerne
             the
             difference
             of
             spiritual
             gifts
             ,
             with
             the
             distinct
             use
             of
             thē
             .
             We
             doubt
             not
             but
             before
             prayer
             ,
             &
             al
             the
             daies
             of
             our
             life
             ,
             we
             have
             neede
             of
             helps
             of
             instruction
             to
             praye
             aright
             ,
             &
             for
             the
             fitnes
             of
             the
             mind
             &
             bodie
             ,
             often
             fasting
             ,
             reading
             ,
             meditating
             ,
             &c.
             are
             great
             helpes
             to
             go
             before
             to
             humble
             our selves
             in
             praying
             :
             but
             in
             the
             present
             action
             of
             prayer
             whē
             the
             heart
             is
             talking
             with
             God
             ,
             the
             eies
             ,
             hands
             ,
             &c.
             with
             attention
             lift
             up
             to
             heaven
             ,
             all
             the
             powers
             of
             our
             soules
             &
             bodies
             conversant
             with
             God
             ,
             to
             take
             a
             booke
             &
             read
             ,
             cannot
             be
             called
             in
             this
             action
             a
             help
             ,
             but
             a
             confounding
             of
             the
             mind
             ,
             &
             of
             Gods
             ordinances
             ,
             and
             a
             doing
             we
             know
             not
             what
             ,
             though
             before
             and
             after
             ,
             it
             be
             an
             exeellent
             
             meanes
             ordeyned
             of
             God
             ,
             to
             instruct
             us
             to
             pray
             and
             al
             other
             dueties
             .
          
           
             As
             for
             
               the
               conformation
               you
               talke
               of
               ,
            
             where
             I
             alledged
             that
             a
             troubled
             minde
             is
             the
             penne
             of
             a
             readie
             writer
             ,
             therefore
             needeth
             not
             a
             booke
             to
             speake
             for
             it
             in
             the
             action
             of
             praying
             :
             
             .
             By
             troubled
             minde
             I
             understood
             such
             a
             minde
             ,
             as
             is
             presently
             moved
             with
             the
             sight
             of
             some
             sinne
             ,
             or
             urged
             by
             other
             occasion
             :
             
               a
               broken
               spirit
               ,
               a
               broken
               &
               contrite
               heart
            
             :
             &
             not
             such
             a
             minde
             as
             in
             dispayre
             or
             doubt
             is
             perplexed
             :
             and
             that
             the
             heart
             which
             is
             moved
             in
             faith
             with
             present
             occasion
             to
             cal
             upon
             God
             is
             the
             penne
             of
             a
             readie
             writer
             ,
             (
             that
             is
             )
             hath
             matter
             and
             wordes
             enough
             without
             a
             book
             to
             utter
             his
             own
             wantes
             ,
             we
             may
             reade
             throughout
             the
             Psalmes
             ,
             
               My
               throte
               is
               dry
               (
               saith
               David
               )
               I
               am
               wearie
               with
               crying
               &c.
               
            
             But
             here
             againe
             in
             stead
             of
             answere
             ,
             you
             tell
             me
             ,
             
               I
               runne
               upon
               the
               rocke
               of
               an
               hereticall
               opinion
               of
               perfection
            
             :
             Wherein
             I
             wonder
             (
             but
             that
             I
             perceave
             your
             right
             eye
             is
             blinded
             )
             you
             should
             be
             so
             carelesse
             what
             you
             say
             ,
             nay
             what
             after
             two
             yeares
             studie
             you
             put
             in
             print
             .
             Doth
             it
             follow
             ,
             that
             because
             the
             heart
             ,
             moved
             with
             occasion
             through
             the
             worke
             of
             faith
             ,
             hath
             wordes
             and
             matter
             enough
             in
             praying
             without
             a
             
             booke
             to
             speake
             for
             it
             ,
             that
             therefore
             faith
             is
             perfect
             ?
             Let
             equall
             Judges
             consider
             .
          
           
             Here
             you
             say
             
               manie
               are
               so
               troubled
               &
               perplexed
               in
               minde
               ,
               that
               they
               cannot
               pray
               till
               they
               have
               some
               consolation
               by
               the
               direction
               of
               others
               ;
               which
               when
               they
               cannot
               have
               ,
               reading
               upon
               a
               booke
               is
               a
               notable
               help
               ,
            
             I
             allowe
             all
             this
             and
             agree
             ,
             if
             you
             would
             make
             reading
             one
             thing
             ,
             and
             prayer
             an
             other
             ,
             divers
             exercises
             of
             the
             spirit
             &c.
             
             But
             in
             the
             verie
             action
             of
             praying
             to
             have
             an
             other
             speake
             unto
             us
             never
             so
             good
             wordes
             of
             exhortation
             ,
             were
             but
             a
             confounding
             of
             the
             minde
             and
             action
             ,
             and
             an
             abuse
             of
             both
             those
             holie
             exercises
             .
             Even
             so
             ,
             by
             your
             owne
             comparison
             ,
             reading
             upon
             a
             booke
             in
             the
             action
             of
             praying
             ,
             seing
             we
             cannot
             doe
             both
             at
             once
             .
             It
             is
             the
             spirit
             of
             God
             in
             the
             verie
             action
             of
             prayer
             that
             helpeth
             our
             infirmities
             .
             David
             in
             praying
             finding
             his
             soule
             heavie
             ,
             stirreth
             up
             himself
             as
             thus
             .
             
               My
               soule
               why
               art
               thou
               cast
               down
               ,
               why
               art
               thou
               disquieted
               within
               me
               ,
            
             
             
               waite
               on
               God
               ;
               For
               I
               will
               yet
               give
               him
               thankes
               ,
               my
               present
               help
               and
               my
               God
               .
            
             He
             had
             a
             troubled
             minde
             ,
             his
             mouth
             wanted
             no
             wordes
             to
             provoke
             the
             Lorde
             to
             heare
             his
             complaint
             ,
             and
             his
             heart
             to
             waite
             upon
             the
             Lord
             ,
             &
             so
             through
             
             all
             the
             Psalmes
             you
             shall
             finde
             the
             conversing
             of
             the
             soule
             with
             God
             to
             be
             such
             ,
             as
             it
             were
             a
             mockerie
             to
             think
             reading
             vpon
             a
             book
             could
             have
             anie
             place
             in
             that
             action
             ,
             or
             that
             anie
             mans
             writing
             could
             lay
             out
             the
             present
             estate
             of
             the
             soule
             with
             the
             passions
             thereof
             .
             
               The
            
             Priest
             may
             say
             ,
             
               my
               booke
               whie
               are
               thouso
               euill
               prynted
               ,
            
             for
             when
             they
             reade
             the
             heart
             cannot
             reason
             and
             talke
             with
             God
             .
          
           
             To
             the
             second
             poynt
             ,
             which
             was
             but
             your
             bare
             assuming
             of
             the
             question
             ,
             
               to
               say
               a
               man
               may
               pray
               by
               the
               spirit
               vpon
               a
               booke
               &c.
               
            
             I
             alleadged
             that
             to
             worship
             God
             in
             spirit
             ,
             is
             ,
             when
             the
             inward
             faith
             of
             the
             heart
             ,
             bringeth
             foorth
             true
             invocation
             ,
             etc.
             this
             you
             graunt
             to
             be
             most
             true
             ,
             and
             that
             none
             other
             is
             accepted
             of
             G
             O
             D
             ;
             then
             that
             which
             proceedeth
             from
             the
             inward
             faith
             of
             our
             owne
             heart
             :
             But
             you
             think
             that
             reading
             vpon
             a
             booke
             is
             to
             bring
             foorth
             of
             the
             heart
             true
             invocation
             .
             This
             cannot
             be
             ,
             if
             wee
             consider
             the
             difference
             betweene
             
               proseuche
            
             and
             
               anagnosis
            
             prayer
             and
             reading
             ,
             the
             one
             being
             a
             powring
             fourth
             of
             vowes
             ,
             petitions
             ,
             supplications
             ,
             the
             other
             a
             receaving
             into
             the
             soule
             al
             such
             things
             as
             wee
             reade
             :
             
               This
            
             therfore
             I
             leave
             to
             all
             mens
             consciences
             to
             
             be
             considered
             ,
             whether
             the
             matter
             we
             reade
             can
             be
             said
             a
             powring
             fourth
             of
             the
             heart
             ,
             the
             whole
             vse
             of
             these
             divers
             actiōs
             through
             the
             whole
             Bible
             shew
             yt
             cannot
             .
             Now
             where
             I
             said
             that
             you
             teach
             men
             insteade
             of
             powring
             fourth
             their
             hearts
             ,
             to
             help
             themselves
             with
             matter
             and
             wordes
             out
             of
             a
             booke
             ,
             you
             say
             I
             speake
             fondly
             and
             foolishlie
             etc.
             
             Mine
             answeare
             now
             is
             ,
             yt
             is
             well
             I
             lyed
             not
             ,
             if
             I
             had
             said
             you
             compell
             men
             to
             read
             vpon
             a
             booke
             in
             all
             your
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             certaine
             wordes
             of
             your
             owne
             writings
             by
             number
             and
             stint
             ,
             from
             yeare
             to
             yeare
             ,
             &
             day
             to
             day
             ,
             &
             the
             same
             instead
             of
             powring
             out
             their
             hearts
             before
             the
             Lorde
             for
             their
             present
             wants
             ,
             I
             had
             not
             lyed
             .
             Now
             let
             all
             men
             by
             that
             which
             hath
             bene
             said
             ,
             consider
             the
             grossnes
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             so
             the
             follie
             remayneth
             to
             your self
             .
             But
             to
             helpe
             this
             matter
             ,
             &
             to
             deliver
             your self
             conniugly
             in
             such
             a
             strayte
             ,
             you
             say
             you
             wish
             al
             men
             to
             use
             the
             help
             of
             the
             book
             ,
             that
             they
             might
             the
             better
             powre
             fourth
             their
             hearts
             vnto
             God
             ,
             being
             such
             as
             are
             not
             throughly
             able
             .
             First
             you
             graunt
             here
             ,
             the
             prayers
             read
             vpon
             the
             booke
             is
             not
             the
             powring
             fourth
             of
             the
             heart
             ,
             but
             ought
             to
             be
             vsed
             only
             as
             an
             help
             ,
             wherbie
             you
             graunt
             the
             whole
             question
             ,
             
             and
             furder
             all
             your
             assemblies
             have
             had
             no
             other
             invocation
             of
             Gods
             name
             this
             many
             yeares
             ,
             but
             a
             help
             to
             teach
             them
             to
             powre
             fourth
             their
             hearts
             .
             But
             whether
             mens
             writings
             may
             be
             read
             in
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             to
             this
             use
             ,
             we
             shall
             after
             make
             manifest
             ,
             Here
             yet
             is
             graunted
             but
             an
             help
             ,
             and
             not
             the
             powring
             fourth
             of
             the
             heart
             .
             And
             to
             whom
             is
             it
             graunted
             an
             help
             ?
             to
             such
             as
             are
             not
             able
             to
             pray
             .
             Here
             eyther
             you
             must
             confesse
             your
             whole
             ministerie
             is
             vnable
             to
             pray
             ,
             or
             that
             they
             transgresse
             in
             in
             this
             high
             worship
             of
             GOD
             :
             for
             in
             an
             other
             place
             you
             graunt
             in
             all
             your
             assemblies
             ,
             this
             reading
             is
             vsed
             of
             mens
             writing
             for
             prayer
             ,
             thus
             you
             may
             behold
             your
             best
             worship
             to
             be
             nothing
             ,
             but
             a
             help
             to
             teach
             you
             to
             pray
             .
          
           
             Where
             I
             said
             that
             you
             teach
             men
             to
             fetch
             the
             cause
             of
             their
             sorrowing
             from
             the
             booke
             ,
             euen
             in
             their
             tyme
             of
             begging
             at
             G
             O
             D
             S
             hand
             ,
             you
             say
             I
             speak
             fondly
             ,
             to
             call
             that
             the
             cause
             ,
             which
             is
             the
             manifestation
             of
             the
             cause
             etc.
             
             You
             here
             forget
             your
             artes
             ,
             Is
             ther
             no
             more
             causes
             then
             one
             ?
             if
             it
             be
             the
             instrumentall
             cause
             ,
             it
             is
             sufficient
             to
             prove
             ,
             that
             if
             your
             Ministers
             had
             not
             their
             booke
             ,
             they
             had
             nothing
             to
             aske
             ,
             or
             
             els
             asking
             that
             which
             is
             in
             the
             booke
             ,
             they
             aske
             not
             that
             wich
             before
             was
             in
             their
             owne
             heartes
             ,
             so
             not
             comming
             heavie
             laden
             ,
             they
             goe
             emptie
             away
             ,
             and
             leave
             the
             matter
             in
             the
             booke
             as
             they
             founde
             it
             ,
             till
             the
             next
             day
             and
             then
             sing
             the
             same
             songe
             ,
             But
             true
             prayer
             is
             when
             the
             heart
             is
             first
             prepared
             ,
             and
             moued
             with
             the
             sight
             of
             their
             wants
             as
             the
             child
             that
             asketh
             breade
             :
             So
             we
             should
             not
             pray
             of
             custome
             ,
             but
             aske
             the
             verie
             thing
             wherof
             our
             heart
             feeleth
             the
             want
             .
             Your
             comparison
             againe
             betwixt
             the
             being
             stirred
             up
             by
             a
             Sermon
             ,
             and
             stirred
             up
             by
             reading
             ,
             sheweth
             ,
             that
             your self
             will
             not
             make
             the
             reading
             the
             powring
             fourth
             of
             the
             heart
             .
          
           
             Ther
             is
             no
             question
             but
             the
             exercise
             of
             reading
             is
             chieflie
             for
             instruction
             and
             encrease
             of
             knowledge
             ,
             and
             meditating
             is
             not
             the
             same
             ,
             nether
             can
             be
             said
             to
             be
             al
             the
             use
             of
             reading
             ,
             though
             we
             denie
             reading
             to
             be
             praying
             ,
             but
             because
             we
             are
             forbidden
             contention
             about
             wordes
             ,
             &
             I
             have
             offred
             you
             as
             much
             wrong
             in
             saying
             you
             denyed
             reading
             to
             be
             for
             meditation
             at
             all
             ,
             I
             will
             proceede
             to
             the
             more
             necessarie
             doctrines
             .
             Also
             for
             the
             controversie
             of
             Canonicall
             and
             Apocryphall
             ,
             we
             shall
             speak
             in
             due
             place
             .
             
             
               Thus
               (
               say
               you
               )
               you
               have
               answered
               nothing
               at
               all
               vnto
               this
               Commandement
               giuen
               by
               our
               saviour
               Christ
               to
               vse
               that
               prescript
               forme
               of
               prayer
               ,
               say
               ,
               Our
               Father
               &c
               ,
               but
               by
               shift
               and
               cavill
               &c.
               
            
             Here
             you
             thinke
             you
             have
             put
             me
             to
             a
             plunge
             ,
             your self
             needed
             nothing
             doubt
             ,
             but
             that
             I
             allowed
             the
             Commaundement
             holie
             and
             good
             ,
             and
             to
             extend
             to
             all
             Christians
             ,
             as
             well
             as
             to
             the
             Apostles
             ,
             namely
             ,
             to
             use
             that
             prescript
             forme
             of
             prayer
             as
             the
             perfect
             patterne
             ,
             &
             direction
             to
             all
             mens
             true
             prayers
             .
             But
             you
             I
             trust
             will
             make
             difference
             betwixt
             a
             forme
             to
             all
             prayers
             ,
             and
             praying
             ,
             or
             prayer
             .
             And
             here
             you
             vehemently
             urge
             me
             to
             answeare
             you
             ,
             before
             I
             see
             you
             conclude
             any
             thing
             from
             the
             place
             ,
             and
             so
             I
             should
             runne
             into
             follie
             ,
             to
             answeare
             a
             matter
             before
             I
             heare
             it
             .
             In
             your
             first
             entrance
             of
             this
             discourse
             ,
             you
             were
             rounde
             in
             your
             
               Syllogismes
               ,
            
             by
             two
             at
             once
             to
             wraft
             my
             wordes
             ,
             and
             can
             find
             none
             for
             your self
             ,
             Yt
             seemes
             your
             conscience
             is
             witnes
             the
             matter
             would
             not
             hang
             together
             .
             And
             me
             thinkes
             you
             had
             never
             more
             neede
             to
             have
             shewed
             what
             you
             would
             drawe
             from
             this
             place
             Luke
             11.
             
             Seing
             I
             either
             mistooke
             you
             the
             last
             time
             ,
             or
             els
             you
             make
             a
             simple
             collection
             :
             which
             was
             this
             :
             
               Christ
               said
               to
               his
               Disciples
               ,
               when
               you
            
             
             
               pray
               say
               Our
               Father
               .
               &
               ,
               and
               not
               when
               you
               meditate
               say
               Our
               Father
               .
            
             Now
             what
             would
             you
             conclude
             of
             this
             ,
             except
             as
             I
             said
             ,
             that
             Christ
             would
             not
             have
             them
             ,
             meditate
             that
             Scripture
             :
             But
             this
             I
             perceave
             was
             not
             your
             meaning
             :
             now
             I
             partlie
             thinke
             your
             Argument
             should
             be
             (
             if
             the
             sworde
             were
             not
             broken
             in
             the
             sheath
             )
             thus
             :
             
               Christ
               commaunded
               his
               Disciples
               when
               they
               prayde
               ,
               to
               say
               ,
               Our
               Father
               ,
               &c.
               therefore
               to
               be
               tyed
               to
               reade
               over
               or
               say
               by
               roate
               certaine
               wordes
               ,
               is
               lawfull
               praying
               .
            
             For
             the
             first
             ,
             that
             our
             Saviour
             Christ
             tyed
             no
             man
             ,
             or
             commaunded
             none
             to
             say
             over
             those
             verie
             wordes
             when
             they
             prayde
             ,
             but
             to
             pray
             according
             to
             that
             form
             ,
             after
             that
             manner
             as
             Math.
             6.
             
             I
             manifested
             in
             my
             first
             writing
             .
             I.
             that
             our
             Saviour
             did
             not
             commaunde
             us
             to
             use
             those
             wordes
             .
             2.
             that
             Matth.
             6.
             doth
             not
             keepe
             the
             same
             wordes
             ,
             nor
             that
             number
             of
             wordes
             which
             Luke
             11.
             doth
             .
             3.
             that
             he
             did
             not
             say
             ,
             read
             these
             wordes
             when
             you
             pray
             ,
             or
             say
             these
             wordes
             by
             roate
             .
             After
             all
             which
             reasons
             slilye
             passed
             away
             in
             both
             your
             answeres
             ,
             you
             come
             with
             your
             bare
             affirmation
             ,
             that
             he
             commaunded
             those
             wordes
             to
             be
             said
             over
             by
             roate
             or
             reading
             :
             Yea
             a
             litle
             after
             you
             say
             ,
             it
             is
             false
             to
             say
             that
             he
             commanded
             
             not
             the
             verie
             wordes
             to
             he
             said
             over
             when
             we
             pray
             .
             And
             you
             further
             conclude
             ,
             that
             because
             Christ
             commaunded
             his
             Disciples
             to
             say
             over
             those
             wordes
             ,
             therefore
             all
             mens
             writings
             in
             the
             forme
             of
             praier
             may
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             to
             be
             read
             for
             praier
             ,
             being
             agreable
             to
             the
             worde
             .
             To
             which
             I
             answere
             that
             seing
             no
             mans
             writings
             are
             without
             errour
             ,
             it
             is
             pernitious
             and
             blasphemous
             doctrine
             you
             collect
             .
             First
             because
             you
             make
             mens
             writings
             of
             equal
             authority
             with
             the
             forme
             of
             praier
             which
             Christ
             hath
             prescribed
             2.
             for
             that
             you
             give
             men
             as
             much
             liberty
             and
             authority
             to
             frame
             and
             impose
             their
             
               Liturgies
            
             as
             Christ
             had
             to
             set
             downe
             a
             forme
             of
             praier
             ,
             he
             being
             Lord
             of
             the
             house
             .
             The
             wickednesse
             of
             which
             collections
             you
             shall
             never
             be
             able
             to
             answere
             .
          
           
             And
             because
             you
             here
             urge
             me
             thereunto
             ,
             I
             will
             make
             answeare
             to
             your
             two
             places
             of
             Scripture
             ,
             wherwith
             by
             false
             interpretation
             you
             deceave
             the
             simple
             ,
             which
             taken
             from
             you
             ,
             your
             matter
             is
             nothing
             but
             cavilling
             :
             The
             places
             are
             these
             ,
             Luke
             11.
             
             Num
             ,
             6.
             and
             because
             the
             one
             explanes
             the
             other
             ,
             and
             your
             collections
             the
             same
             from
             both
             ,
             I
             will
             beginne
             with
             numbers
             6.32
             ,
             33.34
             :
             
             etc.
             
             
               Thus
               shall
               you
               bless
               the
               Children
               of
               Israell
               saying
               ,
               the
               Lord
               bless
               thee
               and
               keep
               thee
               ,
               etc.
               
            
             Here
             you
             say
             they
             were
             commaunded
             
               to
               use
               the
               verie
               wordes
               prescribed
               ,
               in
               all
               their
               blessings
               .
            
             This
             I
             say
             is
             not
             true
             ,
             for
             the
             Hebrew
             worde
             is
             
               Coh
               Tebaracu
               ,
               thus
               shall
               you
               blesse
               :
               wher
               the
               worde
               Coh
            
             is
             an
             adverb
             of
             similitude
             ,
             as
             we
             say
             ,
             
               after
               this
               manner
            
             :
             which
             cannot
             be
             to
             say
             the
             same
             ,
             but
             according
             to
             the
             same
             instructions
             .
             This
             worde
             
               Coh
            
             is
             used
             throughout
             the
             Bible
             in
             this
             maner
             ,
             in
             all
             the
             Prophets
             when
             they
             say
             ,
             
               thus
               sayth
               the
               Lorde
            
             :
             where
             the
             summe
             of
             their
             prophesies
             are
             onely
             recorded
             to
             us
             by
             the
             holy
             Ghost
             ,
             and
             not
             all
             the
             wordes
             .
             Againe
             this
             blessing
             is
             used
             in
             the
             Psalmes
             and
             Chronicles
             in
             prayer
             ,
             for
             the
             people
             ,
             in
             manie
             other
             wordes
             .
             
               Ely
            
             blessed
             
               Hanna
            
             in
             other
             wordes
             ,
             etc.
             
             And
             where
             in
             Luke
             11.2
             .
             it
             is
             recorded
             ,
             that
             our
             Saviour
             Christ
             commaunded
             his
             Disciples
             ,
             
               when
               you
               pray
               ,
            
             
             
               say
               Our
               Father
               ,
               &c.
            
             it
             is
             plaine
             by
             the
             doctrines
             following
             .
             4.5.6.8.11
             .
             verses
             ,
             that
             Christ
             tied
             no
             man
             to
             the
             verie
             wordes
             saying
             over
             ,
             for
             he
             teacheth
             them
             to
             aske
             their
             particular
             wants
             ,
             as
             a
             childe
             asketh
             breade
             or
             an
             egg
             of
             his
             Father
             :
             also
             to
             importune
             the
             Lorde
             for
             our
             particular
             wants
             .
             But
             to
             
             make
             this
             place
             more
             plaine
             ,
             the
             same
             holy
             Ghost
             in
             the
             6.
             of
             Mathew
             9.
             verse
             saith
             ,
             
               when
               you
               pray
               ,
               say
               thus
               ,
               Our
               Father
               ,
               etc.
            
             where
             the
             greek
             word
             
               houtos
            
             hath
             the
             same
             signification
             that
             the
             Hebrew
             worde
             
               Coh
            
             hath
             ,
             which
             is
             ,
             after
             this
             manner
             :
             &
             cannot
             be
             referred
             to
             the
             verie
             wordes
             saying
             over
             ,
             wher
             upon
             Mr.
             Calvin
             upon
             those
             wordes
             faith
             ,
             
               Noluit
               filius
               Dei
               prescribere
               quibus
               verbis
               utendum
               sit
               :
               The
               Sonne
               of
               God
               would
               not
               prescribe
               what
               words
               we
               must
               use
               .
            
             Now
             consider
             how
             falslie
             
               Mr
               Gifford
            
             hath
             interpreted
             these
             Scriptures
             ,
             to
             say
             the
             Priests
             were
             commaunded
             to
             use
             the
             verie
             wordes
             ,
             and
             that
             Christ
             commaunded
             to
             use
             the
             verie
             wordes
             .
             As
             for
             his
             collections
             ,
             
               that
               therefore
               mens
               writings
               may
               be
               imposed
               upon
               publique
               assemblies
               ,
               by
               stint
               &
               number
               to
               be
               prayde
               ,
               it
               is
               an
               intollerable
               error
               ,
               &
               bringeth
               in
               all
               poopery
               .
            
          
           
             Here
             I
             must
             call
             all
             men
             that
             reade
             this
             fruitlesse
             discourse
             to
             be
             witnes
             of
             
               Mr.
               
               Giffords
            
             abuse
             of
             his
             tongue
             ,
             to
             the
             defacing
             of
             Gods
             truth
             .
             In
             his
             Epistle
             he
             proclaymed
             ,
             
               that
               I
               called
               all
               men
               Idolāters
            
             ;
             which
             you
             shall
             perceave
             to
             be
             his
             owne
             wordes
             ,
             and
             to
             that
             end
             I
             will
             breifly
             repeat
             it
             .
             In
             my
             first
             writing
             I
             affirmed
             the
             reading
             imposed
             
             
               Liturgies
            
             by
             stint
             and
             limitation
             ,
             instead
             of
             true
             invocation
             ,
             as
             also
             all
             reading
             menswritings
             for
             praying
             ,
             to
             be
             idolatrie
             .
             In
             his
             answere
             he
             said
             ,
             
               he
               could
               not
               see
               by
               what
               collour
               it
               could
               be
               called
               Idolatrie
               ,
               or
               maintayned
               out
               of
               Gods
               worde
               so
               to
               be
               ;
               but
               it
               seemes
               the
               penners
               of
               these
               things
               take
               every
               sinne
               against
               the
               first
               table
               of
               the
               Lawe
               ,
               to
               be
               Idolatrie
               :
               if
               they
               doe
               so
               (
               saith
               he
               )
               and
               with
               all
               doe
               hold
               ,
               that
               no
               Idolater
               shal
               be
               saved
               ,
               then
               doubtlesse
               all
               are
               lost
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             To
             this
             ignorant
             excursorie
             I
             answered
             ,
             that
             all
             false
             and
             devised
             worship
             by
             mans
             intention
             was
             Idolatrie
             ,
             as
             the
             first
             and
             second
             commandements
             did
             testifie
             .
             And
             to
             admit
             all
             the
             breaches
             of
             the
             first
             table
             were
             not
             idolatrie
             ,
             yet
             reading
             of
             mens
             writings
             instead
             of
             praying
             must
             needs
             be
             idolatry
             ,
             seing
             it
             is
             a
             transgression
             of
             the
             second
             Commandement
             .
             Further
             (
             though
             I
             needed
             not
             have
             followed
             his
             emptie
             head
             ,
             even
             a
             cloude
             without
             water
             )
             yet
             I
             proceeded
             to
             prove
             ,
             that
             no
             idolater
             could
             be
             saved
             but
             b
             y
             repentance
             for
             their
             knowne
             sinne
             ,
             and
             craving
             pardon
             with
             David
             for
             their
             hidden
             sinnes
             and
             secreet
             faults
             .
             
             Moreover
             (
             sayd
             I
             )
             doe
             you
             thinke
             anie
             man
             is
             free
             from
             all
             inward
             and
             outward
             idolatrie
             ,
             seing
             we
             cannot
             keep
             one
             
             Commandement
             ,
             and
             in
             some
             things
             we
             sinne
             all
             .
             In
             which
             wordes
             I
             plainely
             reproved
             his
             grossnes
             that
             concluded
             all
             men
             idolaters
             which
             committed
             anie
             idolatrie
             ,
             and
             that
             no
             idolater
             could
             be
             saued
             ,
             and
             distinguished
             betweene
             the
             sinne
             of
             ignorance
             ,
             weaknes
             ,
             and
             imperfection
             &c.
             in
             Gods
             children
             ,
             and
             open
             professed
             obstinate
             idolatrie
             .
             Yet
             this
             godles
             man
             would
             lay
             to
             my
             charge
             ,
             that
             I
             should
             call
             all
             men
             idolaters
             ,
             wheras
             I
             never
             used
             such
             a
             worde
             in
             all
             my
             writings
             ,
             But
             onlie
             answered
             his
             folly
             in
             this
             running
             out
             from
             the
             question
             ,
             they
             were
             his
             owne
             wordes
             that
             brought
             this
             upon
             his
             owne
             heade
             ,
             by
             concluding
             ,
             that
             if
             every
             sinne
             against
             the
             first
             table
             were
             idolatrie
             ,
             and
             no
             idolater
             could
             be
             saved
             ,
             then
             all
             are
             lost
             ,
             let
             the
             grosnes
             then
             be
             his
             ,
             and
             not
             mine
             .
             And
             I
             leave
             it
             to
             the
             consideration
             of
             all
             men
             ,
             whether
             I
             may
             not
             say
             ,
             that
             they
             which
             transgresse
             the
             first
             or
             second
             Commandements
             ,
             do
             commit
             idolatrie
             ,
             without
             absurdity
             .
             But
             saith
             he
             though
             it
             be
             so
             ,
             yet
             the
             Scripture
             calleth
             not
             the
             godly
             ,
             murtherers
             ,
             idolaters
             ,
             etc.
             for
             the
             reliques
             of
             sinne
             remayning
             .
             I
             answere
             that
             therefore
             your
             former
             absurd
             cavilling
             ,
             where
             you
             said
             ,
             if
             we
             hold
             it
             idolatrie
             ,
             etc.
             
             is
             by
             your
             owne
             mouth
             fully
             answered
             .
          
           
             But
             to
             avoyde
             this
             foile
             ,
             he
             hath
             an
             other
             evasion
             .
             J
             thought
             (
             saith
             he
             )
             we
             had
             reasoned
             about
             such
             grosse
             idolatrie
             as
             a
             church
             is
             to
             be
             condemned
             and
             forsaken
             ,
             which
             is
             defiled
             therwith
             .
             Here
             againe
             you
             misreport
             me
             :
             J
             never
             reasoned
             to
             that
             end
             in
             in
             this
             whole
             discourse
             ,
             but
             onlie
             laboured
             to
             shew
             all
             men
             this
             error
             of
             reading
             mens
             writings
             instead
             of
             praying
             ,
             that
             they
             might
             learne
             how
             to
             converse
             with
             God
             &
             their
             owne
             Conscience
             ,
             in
             prayer
             .
             And
             what
             mendes
             will
             you
             make
             for
             this
             slandering
             and
             defacing
             of
             the
             truth
             ,
             to
             all
             the
             world
             all
             that
             I
             desire
             is
             your
             repentance
             and
             amendement
             ,
             which
             God
             graunt
             unto
             you
             ,
             if
             you
             be
             his
             .
          
           
             It
             followeth
             in
             your
             booke
             thus
             :
             
               But
               seeing
               you
               confess
               that
               all
               men
               be
               Idolaters
               ,
               that
               is
               touching
               the
               remanents
               of
               sinne
               ,
               it
               must
               needs
               follow
               there
               is
               no
               Church
               free
               from
               spots
               ,
               etc.
               
            
             This
             worde
             idolaters
             must
             still
             be
             yours
             ,
             &
             then
             I
             willinglie
             graunt
             ,
             that
             no
             man
             living
             is
             free
             from
             idolatrie
             ,
             concerning
             the
             reliques
             of
             sinne
             :
             Also
             that
             no
             Church
             upon
             earth
             can
             be
             without
             spot
             upon
             earth
             :
             So
             that
             now
             ,
             by
             your
             owne
             confession
             ,
             I
             pleade
             not
             for
             perfection
             in
             this
             life
             ,
             though
             the
             
             more
             we
             want
             ,
             the
             more
             we
             ought
             to
             endevour
             .
             With
             what
             face
             then
             could
             you
             publish
             me
             an
             Anabaptist
             in
             your
             Epistle
             ,
             and
             out
             of
             one
             mouth
             give
             contrarie
             sentence
             ?
             Doth
             your
             ordinary
             teach
             you
             to
             cast
             out
             such
             bitter
             waters
             of
             untruthes
             ?
             was
             it
             possible
             I
             should
             bold
             al
             men
             idolaters
             ,
             &
             some
             men
             without
             committing
             of
             sinne
             after
             regeneration
             ,
             especially
             to
             maintaine
             both
             such
             heresies
             as
             you
             give
             out
             ?
             Wel
             consider
             yourself
             ,
             before
             the
             Lord
             call
             you
             to
             accompt
             for
             defacing
             his
             truth
             ,
             and
             pleading
             for
             Baal
             .
             I
             grant
             ,
             yea
             ,
             I
             were
             not
             of
             God
             if
             I
             should
             speake
             otherwise
             ,
             that
             the
             deare
             servants
             of
             God
             fall
             into
             most
             lothsome
             sinnes
             after
             regeneration
             ,
             that
             the
             riches
             of
             Gods
             mercie
             might
             appeare
             in
             their
             repentance
             ,
             through
             the
             worke
             of
             his
             grace
             .
             Then
             you
             reason
             thus
             :
             if
             ther
             be
             alwaies
             spottes
             and
             imperfectnes
             in
             the
             true
             Church
             upon
             earth
             ,
             then
             all
             your
             Arguments
             you
             bring
             against
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             are
             of
             no
             force
             ,
             except
             you
             will
             maintaine
             a
             perfection
             .
             Mine
             answere
             is
             ,
             I
             will
             not
             meddle
             with
             your
             Ch.
             to
             prove
             it
             a
             false
             church
             in
             this
             treatise
             ,
             but
             refer
             you
             to
             
               Mr
               Barrowes
            
             refutation
             of
             
               Mr
               Gifford
               ,
            
             him
             that
             handleth
             that
             part
             of
             your
             booke
             .
             Yet
             I
             must
             tell
             
             you
             your
             argument
             is
             verie
             simple
             :
             For
             after
             the
             same
             manner
             you
             might
             reason
             thus
             :
             
               If
               ther
               be
               no
               true
               Church
               without
               spottes
               upon
               earth
               ,
               then
               the
               Church
               of
               Rome
               is
               the
               true
               Ch.
               for
               it
               hath
               manie
               spottes
               ,
               and
               you
               all
               Scismatiques
            
             :
             Againe
             you
             assume
             the
             matter
             you
             should
             prove
             .
             It
             will
             be
             proved
             against
             you
             ,
             that
             you
             have
             not
             
               Ecclesiam
            
             a
             people
             called
             fourth
             of
             the
             world
             to
             the
             obedience
             of
             Christ
             :
             Then
             ,
             that
             the
             spottes
             of
             your
             Church
             are
             
               Egyptian
               ulcers
               ,
            
             incurable
             running
             botches
             .
             But
             I
             purposed
             not
             to
             deale
             with
             your
             Church
             ,
             onelie
             my
             mind
             is
             to
             shew
             the
             unlawfulnes
             of
             this
             reading
             and
             imposing
             mens
             writings
             upon
             mens
             Consciences
             in
             stead
             of
             true
             praying
             .
             Of
             which
             sinne
             the
             Lord
             give
             you
             and
             this
             whole
             land
             grace
             to
             repent
             ,
             that
             so
             men
             may
             learne
             more
             ferventlie
             to
             call
             upon
             God
             .
          
        
         
           
             The
             first
             Argument
             against
             
               read
               Prayer
               ,
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             No
             Apocrypha
             must
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             :
             for
             there
             onelie
             GODS
             worde
             and
             lively
             voyce
             of
             his
             owne
             graces
             
             must
             be
             hearde
             in
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
             But
             mens
             writings
             and
             the
             reading
             of
             them
             over
             for
             prayer
             are
             Apocrypha
             ,
             therefore
             may
             not
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
          
        
         
           
             GEORGE
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             First
             touching
             the
             Proposition
             ,
             No
             Apocrypha
             is
             to
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             :
             What
             can
             be
             more
             false
             ?
             Apocrypha
             is
             opposed
             against
             Canonicall
             :
             If
             nothing
             may
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             but
             Canonicall
             Scripture
             ,
             then
             the
             Sermons
             and
             prayers
             of
             Pastors
             are
             to
             be
             banished
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             IOHN
             GREENWODS
             Answer
             .
          
           
             IN
             the
             answere
             of
             this
             ,
             you
             will
             needes
             oppose
             against
             both
             Propositions
             ,
             &
             yet
             have
             nothing
             to
             say
             ,
             if
             not
             ,
             to
             royle
             the
             doctrines
             delivered
             with
             your
             feete
             ,
             least
             others
             should
             drinke
             therof
             .
             The
             part
             of
             a
             wise
             man
             had
             beene
             to
             lay
             his
             hand
             on
             his
             mouth
             .
             In
             the
             first
             Proposition
             you
             would
             oppose
             the
             worde
             
               Apocripha
            
             against
             the
             lively
             voyce
             of
             Gods
             graces
             when
             you
             see
             I
             said
             onlie
             ,
             that
             no
             
               Apocripha
            
             might
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
             And
             
             further
             to
             explane
             my
             minde
             ,
             least
             you
             should
             willingly
             finde
             such
             a
             cavill
             ,
             I
             added
             this
             reason
             
               for
               there
               only
               Gods
               worde
               &
               the
               lively
               voyces
               of
               his
               graces
               are
               to
               be
               heard
            
             :
             where
             I
             acknowledged
             those
             livelie
             voyces
             to
             be
             Gods
             ordinance
             ,
             yet
             nether
             to
             be
             called
             
               Apocrypha
            
             nor
             
               Canonical
               .
            
             How
             can
             you
             say
             th̄e
             I
             would
             have
             these
             ,
             or
             that
             these
             are
             banished
             ,
             if
             all
             
               Apocrypha
            
             writings
             be
             banished
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ?
             Yet
             as
             I
             told
             you
             ,
             I
             take
             
               Apocrypha
            
             to
             be
             all
             writings
             ,
             but
             the
             Canonicall
             Authenique
             Scriptures
             .
             But
             (
             say
             you
             )
             then
             I
             will
             exclude
             the
             
               Paraphrases
            
             upon
             the
             Scriptures
             and
             the
             Psalmes
             in
             Metre
             etc.
             
             Affirme
             you
             them
             to
             be
             
               Apocrypha
            
             as
             you
             doe
             ,
             and
             can
             do
             no
             other
             ,
             &
             I
             wil
             through
             Gods
             grace
             prove
             they
             ought
             not
             to
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
             First
             ,
             no
             mans
             writings
             are
             given
             to
             the
             Church
             by
             testimonie
             of
             Gods
             spirit
             ,
             &
             we
             are
             onelie
             commaunded
             to
             heare
             what
             the
             spirit
             saith
             :
             therefore
             though
             mens
             writings
             be
             permitted
             to
             be
             read
             privatelie
             of
             them
             that
             will
             ,
             and
             therupon
             called
             
               Apocrypha
            
             (
             that
             is
             hidden
             )
             they
             may
             not
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
             
             Secondly
             no
             mans
             writings
             are
             without
             errour
             and
             imperfections
             ,
             therfore
             not
             to
             be
             
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             :
             
             The
             Church
             is
             the
             pillar
             of
             truth
             .
             Thirdlie
             the
             Church
             is
             builded
             upon
             the
             foundation
             of
             the
             Prophets
             and
             the
             Apostles
             Christ
             Iesus
             being
             the
             cheif
             corner
             stone
             ,
             
             and
             not
             upon
             mens
             writings
             ,
             Therefore
             mens
             writings
             may
             not
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
             Ephes.
             2.
             20.
             and
             1
             Cor.
             3.
             
             Fourthlie
             if
             we
             might
             bring
             in
             anie
             mens
             writings
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             thē
             all
             mens
             writings
             which
             we
             judge
             agreable
             to
             the
             Scriptures
             .
             But
             this
             is
             forbidden
             ,
             Ecclesiastes
             12.
             11.
             12.
             
             My
             proof
             of
             the
             first
             Proposition
             is
             this
             :
             If
             anie
             mens
             writings
             are
             to
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             by
             Gods
             commaundement
             because
             they
             are
             agreable
             to
             the
             Scriptures
             ,
             as
             you
             in
             an
             other
             place
             alleadge
             ,
             then
             all
             that
             are
             thought
             agreable
             to
             the
             Scriptures
             ought
             of
             necessitie
             by
             the
             same
             commandement
             ,
             and
             if
             ther
             be
             no
             commandement
             ,
             then
             none
             are
             to
             be
             make
             Authentique
             which
             God
             hath
             not
             made
             Authentique
             ,
             
             For
             that
             were
             to
             set
             man
             in
             the
             place
             of
             God
             .
             No
             mans
             writings
             cary
             that
             majestie
             ,
             as
             doth
             the
             pen
             of
             the
             holy
             Ghost
             .
             No
             mans
             writinges
             are
             
               Cecuromenai
               ,
               Authentique
               ,
            
             confirmed
             by
             signes
             and
             wonders
             from
             heaven
             ,
             sealed
             by
             
             Christes
             blood
             ,
             that
             not
             one
             worde
             of
             title
             shal
             be
             vnfulfilled
             ,
             
               The
               Scriptures
               are
               all
               sufficient
               .
            
             All
             men
             must
             walke
             by
             that
             one
             rule
             ;
             To
             thinke
             ther
             were
             not
             rules
             enough
             prescribed
             by
             the
             Lord
             for
             his
             house
             were
             blasphemous
             and
             papisticall
             .
             Now
             for
             the
             explication
             ,
             interpretation
             ,
             etc.
             and
             speach
             vnto
             God
             in
             prayer
             :
             God
             hath
             given
             giftes
             vnto
             men
             to
             pray
             and
             prophecye
             ,
             and
             ordeyned
             his
             ministery
             of
             Pastors
             ,
             Teachers
             ,
             whose
             lively
             voice
             is
             appointed
             to
             be
             the
             mouth
             of
             God
             vnto
             the
             people
             ,
             &
             of
             his
             people
             vnto
             himself
             ,
             in
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
             And
             these
             graces
             are
             not
             
               Apocryphall
               ,
            
             for
             no
             prophecie
             of
             the
             Scripture
             is
             of
             private
             interpretation
             
               idias
               epiluseos
            
             :
             to
             euery
             one
             is
             given
             the
             manifestation
             of
             the
             spirit
             to
             proffit
             withal
             .
             Most
             execelent
             ,
             
             men
             serve
             but
             their
             tyme
             in
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
             Now
             J
             may
             conclude
             as
             J
             beganne
             .
          
           
             
               That
               onely
               Gods
               holy
               word
               &
               the
               lively
               graces
               of
               his
               holy
               Spirit
               are
               to
               be
               heard
               &
               offred
               vp
               vnto
               in
               him
               the
               publique
               assemblies
               .
            
          
           
             Where
             then
             in
             way
             of
             answere
             to
             the
             
               Minor
               Proposition
               ,
            
             you
             say
             you
             see
             not
             how
             our
             speach
             vnto
             God
             should
             be
             
               Apocrypha
            
             :
             It
             answeareth
             not
             me
             ,
             who
             deny
             an
             other
             
             mans
             writing
             to
             be
             our
             speach
             in
             prayer
             unto
             God
             .
             But
             c̄onvinceth
             your selfe
             by
             you
             ,
             own
             mouth
             thus
             :
             True
             praier
             is
             not
             
               Apocrypha
               ,
            
             but
             all
             mens
             writings
             are
             
               Apocr
               .
            
             ;
             Therefore
             mens
             writing
             is
             not
             true
             praier
             .
             Here
             when
             you
             have
             nothing
             to
             say
             for
             your self
             ,
             you
             woulde
             make
             me
             believe
             that
             I
             accompt
             the
             Psalmes
             and
             the
             other
             formes
             of
             prayer
             in
             the
             Scripture
             to
             be
             
               Apocrypha
            
             when
             they
             be
             read
             ,
             though
             a
             litle
             before
             you
             confessed
             ,
             you
             had
             in
             your
             last
             writing
             donne
             me
             wrong
             therin
             .
             I
             do
             accompt
             the
             reading
             of
             thé
             for
             praying
             ,
             to
             be
             a
             groffe
             and
             superstitious
             abuse
             of
             them
             ,
             yet
             them
             to
             be
             holie
             &
             canonical
             script
             .
             And
             here
             you
             have
             flatly
             ouerthrowen
             your self
             :
             saying
             the
             worde
             
               Apocrypha
            
             is
             vsed
             with
             vs
             for
             that
             which
             is
             not
             Gods
             vndoubted
             worde
             vnto
             vs
             :
             And
             in
             your
             last
             writing
             ,
             which
             should
             have
             beene
             your
             answere
             ,
             you
             said
             ,
             God
             speaketh
             to
             vs
             onely
             by
             the
             Canonicall
             Scriptures
             .
             Now
             seing
             you
             would
             make
             your
             
               liturgie
            
             and
             devised
             formes
             of
             prayer
             ,
             helpes
             and
             instruction
             ,
             and
             yet
             cannot
             make
             them
             Canonicall
             or
             Gods
             vndoubted
             truth
             ,
             they
             must
             not
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblie
             ,
             much
             lesse
             imposed
             by
             lawe
             vpon
             the
             consciences
             of
             all
             men
             .
             And
             here
             remember
             
             all
             your
             Liturgies
             are
             cast
             out
             of
             the
             doore
             :
             besides
             that
             ,
             you
             have
             not
             made
             in
             both
             writinges
             one
             direct
             answeare
             to
             this
             most
             firme
             Proposition
             :
             which
             I
             will
             still
             leave
             upon
             you
             ,
             thus
             .
          
           
             Onely
             the
             Canonicall
             Scriptures
             and
             lively
             voice
             of
             Gods
             own
             graces
             are
             to
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             for
             doctrine
             and
             prayer
             .
          
           
             But
             mens
             writings
             are
             neyther
             Canonicall
             scripture
             nor
             the
             lively
             voice
             of
             Gods
             graces
             in
             such
             as
             he
             hath
             appointed
             to
             speake
             in
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
          
           
             Therefore
             no
             mans
             writings
             ,
             may
             be
             brought
             into
             ,
             nor
             imposed
             upon
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
          
           
             Thus
             might
             I
             make
             an
             ende
             with
             this
             vaine
             man
             ,
             considering
             the
             whole
             matter
             is
             proved
             against
             him
             ,
             all
             that
             followes
             being
             but
             repetitions
             of
             these
             former
             cavills
             ,
             but
             that
             I
             must
             cleare
             my self
             of
             his
             unconscionable
             slanders
             .
          
        
         
           
             The
             Second
             Argument
             .
          
           
             We
             must
             doe
             nothing
             in
             the
             worship
             of
             God
             without
             warrant
             of
             his
             worde
             .
             But
             read
             prayers
             have
             no
             warrant
             in
             his
             worde
             .
             Therfore
             read
             prayers
             are
             not
             to
             be
             used
             in
             the
             worship
             of
             God
             .
          
        
         
         
           
             GEORGE
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             To
             this
             
               I
            
             answere
             at
             the
             first
             ,
             that
             it
             is
             a
             greate
             audacitie
             to
             affirme
             that
             there
             is
             no
             warrant
             in
             the
             worde
             for
             read
             prayers
             .
             When
             ther
             be
             sundry
             testimonies
             to
             warrant
             the
             same
             ,
             unless
             you
             will
             make
             difference
             ,
             betweene
             that
             which
             a
             man
             readeth
             upon
             a
             booke
             ,
             and
             that
             which
             he
             hath
             learned
             out
             of
             the
             booke
             .
             Furder
             I
             said
             ,
             I
             doe
             not
             remember
             that
             ever
             .
             I
             have
             read
             that
             God
             commaunded
             in
             the
             Scriptures
             that
             prayer
             shal
             be
             read
             upon
             a
             Booke
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             J.
             GREENWOOD
             .
          
           
             SEing
             you
             have
             indeed
             not
             answered
             one
             reason
             or
             proof
             I
             alleadged
             in
             my
             last
             writing
             ,
             but
             with
             must
             evil
             conscience
             (
             as
             the
             handling
             sheweth
             )
             perverted
             them
             ,
             I
             will
             leaue
             them
             to
             be
             iudged
             of
             them
             that
             shall
             see
             my
             writing
             .
             And
             here
             ,
             seing
             you
             would
             not
             print
             it
             ,
             I
             will
             answere
             your
             cheif
             obiections
             .
             First
             then
             you
             graunt
             ,
             that
             if
             I
             put
             difference
             betweene
             reading
             vpon
             the
             booke
             ,
             and
             that
             which
             he
             hath
             learned
             out
             of
             the
             booke
             ,
             mine
             Argument
             is
             founde
             .
             For
             by
             your
             owne
             confession
             ,
             
               God
               hath
               not
               given
               anie
               Commandement
               for
               read
               prayer
               ,
            
             and
             so
             it
             hath
             no
             warrant
             .
             Whervpon
             I
             gayne
             thus
             much
             .
             First
             ,
             that
             
             they
             which
             impose
             read
             praier
             vpon
             the
             Church
             ,
             do
             that
             wherof
             they
             have
             no
             warrant
             in
             the
             worde
             ,
             and
             that
             in
             the
             high
             service
             of
             God
             then
             ,
             that
             they
             which
             reade
             vpon
             a
             booke
             for
             praying
             ,
             do
             that
             wherof
             they
             have
             no
             warrant
             in
             Gods
             worde
             :
             wherupon
             al
             your
             Ministers
             must
             leave
             reading
             their
             stinted
             prayers
             upon
             the
             booke
             ,
             or
             els
             stand
             vnder
             Gods
             wrath
             ,
             &
             all
             that
             so
             pray
             with
             them
             ,
             which
             wil
             be
             a
             fearefull
             reckoning
             if
             they
             repent
             not
             of
             their
             sinne
             shewed
             them
             .
             And
             although
             our
             question
             be
             cheiflie
             concerning
             the
             reading
             of
             mens
             writings
             instead
             of
             praying
             ,
             yet
             I
             am
             content
             the
             other
             abuse
             of
             the
             Scriptures
             be
             included
             also
             ,
             though
             I
             make
             not
             both
             in
             the
             same
             height
             of
             sinne
             ,
             as
             shall
             appeare
             in
             my
             several
             reasons
             .
             As
             an
             vnconstāt
             man
             then
             ,
             you
             in
             the
             latter
             end
             of
             the
             answere
             to
             this
             Argument
             would
             ,
             cal
             backe
             agayne
             that
             ,
             which
             you
             here
             have
             granted
             :
             Namely
             ,
             
               that
               there
               is
               no
               Commandement
               to
               reade
               prayer
               vpon
               a
               booke
               for
               praying
               .
            
          
           
             Of
             the
             contrary
             thus
             you
             reason
             
               The
               people
               of
               God
               did
               reade
               the
               Psalmes
               vpon
               a
               booke
               when
               they
               did
               singe
               ,
               therefore
               men
               may
               reade
               vpon
               a
               booke
               when
               they
               pray
               .
            
             I
             deny
             your
             Argument
             :
             besides
             that
             all
             men
             may
             see
             
             Your
             unstablenes
             in
             denying
             and
             affirming
             with
             one
             breath
             ,
             you
             now
             go
             about
             to
             make
             reading
             of
             prayer
             a
             Commandement
             :
             thus
             you
             prove
             it
             .
             
               Singing
               (
               say
               you
               )
               is
               a
               part
               of
               praier
               .
               Singing
               may
               be
               read
               vpon
               a
               Booke
               :
               therefore
               praier
               may
               be
               read
               vpon
               a
               booke
               .
            
             Admit
             that
             
               Singing
            
             were
             a
             part
             of
             praier
             ,
             yet
             doth
             it
             not
             followe
             that
             all
             prayer
             may
             be
             read
             vpon
             a
             booke
             .
             But
             you
             speake
             like
             an
             ignorant
             man
             ,
             to
             say
             that
             
               Singing
               is
               praier
               ,
            
             seing
             they
             are
             twoo
             diuers
             actions
             &
             exercises
             of
             our
             faith
             :
             the
             one
             never
             read
             for
             the
             other
             ,
             nor
             said
             to
             be
             a
             part
             of
             the
             other
             ,
             through
             the
             Scriptures
             ,
             but
             are
             playnely
             distinguished
             I.
             Cor.
             14.15
             .
             what
             is
             it
             then
             I
             wil
             pray
             with
             the
             spirit
             ,
             but
             I
             will
             pray
             ,
             with
             vnderstanding
             ,
             I
             will
             sing
             with
             the
             spirit
             etc.
             
             Againe
             ,
             if
             you
             be
             sad
             ,
             pray
             ,
             and
             if
             you
             be
             merye
             sing
             Psalmes
             ,
             
               prosuxomai
            
             and
             
               psalo
               .
            
             I
             wil
             pray
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             sing
             ,
             are
             divers
             exercises
             of
             the
             faith
             ,
             if
             a
             man
             should
             say
             reading
             a
             chapter
             of
             the
             scripture
             ,
             and
             prophecying
             were
             alon
             ,
             were
             he
             not
             wide
             .
             Even
             so
             euery
             part
             of
             Gods
             service
             is
             not
             praier
             .
             I
             graunt
             we
             are
             every where
             commaunded
             to
             singe
             Psalmes
             unto
             God
             .
             And
             alleadged
             that
             place
             of
             the
             Apostle
             to
             the
             Ephes.
             5.
             19.
             
             Speaking
             to
             your selves
             in
             
             Psalmes
             and
             Himnes
             and
             Spirituall
             songes
             ,
             etc.
             and
             that
             of
             the
             Coloss
             ,
             only
             to
             this
             end
             ,
             that
             in
             Psalmes
             singing
             we
             do
             not
             alwaies
             speake
             vnto
             God
             ,
             as
             in
             those
             Psalmes
             which
             are
             onelie
             instructions
             and
             prophesies
             ,
             in
             the
             1.
             and
             2.
             
             Psalmes
             you
             have
             not
             one
             worde
             spoken
             vnto
             God
             .
             Againe
             ,
             as
             all
             reading
             of
             the
             praiers
             in
             the
             Scriptures
             ,
             is
             not
             praying
             or
             speaking
             unto
             God
             ,
             so
             the
             reading
             or
             singing
             of
             Psalmes
             I
             tooke
             to
             have
             beene
             a
             speaking
             to
             our selves
             ,
             a
             stirring
             vp
             of
             Gods
             graces
             in
             vs
             etc.
             
             But
             I
             do
             not
             now
             nor
             did
             not
             then
             hold
             it
             so
             ,
             in
             al
             Psalmes
             singing
             .
             And
             where
             you
             say
             I
             purposelie
             left
             out
             the
             latter
             part
             in
             both
             places
             ,
             which
             was
             this
             .
             Sing
             vnto
             God
             with
             a
             grace
             in
             your
             heartes
             ,
             the
             Lorde
             knowes
             I
             had
             no
             purpose
             to
             injurie
             the
             Scripture
             ,
             nor
             maintaine
             an
             vntruth
             ,
             But
             though
             wee
             might
             do
             those
             things
             with
             a
             grace
             to
             God
             in
             our
             heartes
             ,
             which
             were
             not
             properly
             and
             directlie
             a
             conversing
             by
             thought
             &
             worde
             with
             him
             alone
             ,
             but
             one
             thing
             might
             have
             kept
             you
             from
             crying
             out
             ,
             heresie
             ,
             in
             that
             I
             added
             this
             ,
             that
             I
             would
             not
             stand
             vpon
             that
             reason
             ,
             but
             desired
             to
             knowe
             it
             furder
             .
             But
             how
             vniustlie
             could
             you
             number
             this
             for
             an
             heresie
             mainteined
             of
             us
             al
             in
             your
             
             Epistle
             ,
             that
             we
             should
             denie
             that
             Psalmes
             should
             be
             songe
             vnto
             God
             .
             The
             Lorde
             keepe
             me
             from
             such
             errour
             ,
             And
             a
             wofull
             phisition
             you
             are
             ;
             if
             
               I
            
             had
             bene
             in
             such
             an
             errour
             ;
             For
             the
             102.
             
             Psalme
             ,
             I
             never
             denied
             :
             but
             that
             it
             was
             a
             most
             excellent
             Psalme
             penned
             by
             Daniel
             or
             some
             other
             
               Prophet
               ,
            
             and
             given
             to
             the
             whole
             Church
             to
             be
             songe
             or
             read
             as
             other
             Psalmes
             ,
             in
             the
             forme
             of
             praier
             .
             But
             you
             must
             prove
             that
             the
             Church
             did
             use
             it
             as
             you
             say
             ,
             to
             reade
             it
             over
             for
             praying
             ,
             or
             were
             commaunded
             so
             to
             doe
             .
             This
             is
             proof
             enough
             they
             did
             not
             ,
             because
             it
             is
             a
             Psalme
             .
             Now
             though
             the
             Ch.
             speake
             manie
             times
             in
             the
             singular
             number
             ,
             yet
             it
             is
             expressed
             in
             some
             other
             verse
             that
             it
             is
             so
             .
             But
             now
             admit
             that
             you
             could
             prove
             that
             the
             psalmes
             were
             read
             insteade
             of
             ,
             or
             for
             invocation
             ,
             which
             you
             shall
             never
             be
             able
             to
             doe
             ,
             it
             doth
             not
             followe
             that
             mens
             writinges
             should
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             assemblies
             and
             read
             for
             praier
             .
             The
             6.
             of
             Numbers
             I
             have
             answered
             before
             :
             From
             the
             92.
             
             Psalme
             you
             reason
             thus
             .
             
               If
               the
               psalmes
               and
               other
               formes
               of
               prayer
               in
               the
               scriptures
               were
               read
               or
               said
               by
               rote
               ,
               the
               verie
               forme
               of
               wordes
               for
               praying
               ;
               Then
               reading
               instead
               of
               ,
               or
               
               for
               praying
               .
            
             Here
             you
             durst
             not
             set
             your
             
               assumption
               ,
            
             it
             was
             so
             false
             ,
             which
             should
             be
             thus
             .
             
               But
               the
               Psalmes
               &
               other
               formes
               of
               prayer
               were
               read
               for
               praying
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             This
             I
             shewed
             you
             was
             verie
             untrue
             ,
             they
             were
             never
             commaunded
             so
             to
             be
             used
             ,
             nor
             never
             so
             used
             .
             My
             proof
             was
             this
             ,
             they
             are
             given
             were
             by
             the
             holy
             Ghost
             for
             other
             uses
             ,
             as
             singing
             ,
             reading
             ,
             etc.
             and
             not
             commaunded
             anie
             where
             so
             to
             be
             used
             ,
             so
             that
             you
             do
             but
             cavil
             ,
             not
             having
             one
             proof
             for
             all
             your
             shameles
             assertions
             .
             Now
             where
             I
             demaunded
             what
             this
             made
             for
             your
             Liturgies
             ,
             and
             reading
             mens
             writinges
             for
             praying
             ,
             except
             you
             would
             make
             your
             owne
             writinges
             of
             equall
             authoritie
             with
             the
             Scriptures
             :
             You
             answere
             .
             That
             if
             I
             denie
             the
             consequence
             ,
             it
             was
             lawfull
             to
             use
             the
             Psalmes
             ,
             therefore
             mens
             writings
             ,
             then
             I
             wil
             shut
             out
             all
             prayers
             ,
             even
             the
             praier
             of
             the
             Pastor
             .
             See
             your
             carnall
             handling
             ,
             shufling
             ,
             and
             confounding
             Gods
             ordinances
             :
             Doth
             it
             followe
             that
             because
             mens
             writinges
             may
             not
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             or
             there
             be
             read
             for
             praying
             ,
             therfore
             the
             praiers
             uttered
             by
             the
             lively
             voice
             of
             the
             Pastor
             should
             hereby
             be
             excluded
             ?
             this
             your
             shift
             was
             answered
             in
             the
             first
             Argument
             ,
             your
             
             cavils
             are
             stale
             ,
             you
             are
             againe
             convinced
             .
             Touching
             the
             other
             matter
             of
             cunning
             phrases
             and
             formes
             of
             praier
             by
             roate
             ,
             to
             say
             over
             certeine
             number
             of
             wordes
             ,
             it
             is
             popish
             and
             a
             meere
             evasion
             ,
             and
             bewraieth
             your
             ignorance
             in
             prayer
             ,
             In
             this
             you
             have
             granted
             me
             that
             he
             which
             praieth
             not
             with
             a
             feeling
             of
             his
             present
             wants
             of
             his
             soul
             ,
             but
             saith
             over
             certaine
             number
             of
             wordes
             of
             custome
             or
             affectation
             ,
             he
             is
             an
             hiprocrite
             ,
             which
             is
             true
             ,
             proved
             .
             Mat.
             6.7
             .
             Now
             by
             this
             examine
             your
             dailie
             ,
             monethlie
             ,
             annuall
             etc.
             saying
             over
             ,
             nay
             reading
             over
             certeine
             wordes
             ,
             euery
             time
             the
             same
             ,
             as
             you
             are
             stinted
             .
             It
             is
             plaine
             the
             sacrifice
             of
             fooles
             .
             Ecclesiastes
             .
             4.17
             .
             The
             two
             pointes
             wherein
             you
             protest
             so
             willinglie
             to
             agree
             with
             me
             ,
             were
             these
             .
             First
             whether
             only
             such
             praiers
             as
             were
             made
             without
             the
             book
             ,
             were
             accepted
             of
             Gods
             children
             .
             Secondly
             whether
             the
             same
             spirit
             teacheth
             vs
             to
             pray
             ,
             that
             taught
             the
             holie
             men
             of
             God
             before
             time
             .
             You
             grant
             both
             these
             ,
             but
             that
             you
             would
             seeme
             to
             alter
             the
             first
             question
             :
             wel
             then
             ,
             Gods
             owne
             spirit
             that
             taught
             them
             to
             pray
             without
             a
             booke
             ,
             or
             stinting
             of
             wordes
             ,
             teacheth
             vs
             so
             to
             pray
             nowe
             ,
             &
             in
             the
             action
             of
             praying
             giveth
             the
             mouth
             to
             utter
             
             what
             the
             heart
             desireth
             ,
             moved
             with
             the
             same
             spirit
             .
             Still
             then
             after
             your
             long
             shifting
             to
             and
             fro
             ,
             I
             trust
             you
             wil
             stand
             to
             your
             first
             wordes
             ,
             that
             you
             never
             read
             in
             the
             Scriptures
             anie
             commaundement
             for
             reading
             of
             praiers
             .
             Secondlie
             ,
             to
             say
             over
             certeine
             numbers
             of
             wordes
             or
             phrases
             of
             the
             Scripture
             of
             custome
             or
             affectation
             ,
             without
             feeling
             of
             ,
             or
             asking
             for
             our
             present
             wantes
             ,
             is
             hypocrisie
             .
             Therefore
             I
             wil
             conclude
             as
             I
             beganne
             ,
             mine
             Argument
             standing
             good
             ,
             that
             ,
             To
             doe
             anie
             thing
             in
             the
             worship
             of
             God
             werof
             we
             have
             no
             warrant
             of
             Gods
             worde
             ,
             is
             sinne
             :
             But
             read
             praiers
             have
             no
             warrant
             in
             Gods
             Word
             ,
             Ergo
             ,
             etc.
             
          
        
         
           
             The
             third
             Argument
             :
          
           
             We
             may
             not
             in
             the
             worship
             of
             God
             receave
             any
             tradition
             which
             bringeth
             our
             libertie
             into
             bondage
             .
             Read
             prayer
             upon
             commandement
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             is
             a
             tradition
             that
             bringeth
             our
             libertie
             into
             bōdage
             .
             Therefore
             read
             prayer
             &c.
             
          
           
             The
             Minor
             is
             thus
             proved
             ,
             that
             God
             hath
             left
             it
             in
             all
             mens
             freedome
             to
             pray
             as
             the
             present
             occasion
             requireth
             and
             the
             spirit
             
             giveth
             utterance
             ,
             according
             to
             his
             will
             .
             Againe
             no
             man
             hath
             power
             to
             commaunde
             anie
             thing
             in
             the
             worship
             of
             God
             ,
             which
             God
             hath
             not
             commaunded
             &c.
             Marke
             7.7.8.9
             .
             Math.
             15.
             
             Gal.
             5.1
             .
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             GEORGE
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             I
             say
             it
             is
             ungodlie
             and
             neere
             unto
             blasphemie
             ,
             to
             affirme
             ,
             that
             prescript
             forme
             of
             prayer
             is
             a
             tradition
             bringing
             our
             libertie
             into
             hondage
             &c.
             my
             reason
             was
             &c
             is
             ,
             that
             the
             Lord
             by
             Moses
             prescribed
             a
             forme
             of
             blessing
             &c.
             
             Num.
             6
             the
             Prophets
             in
             the
             Psalmes
             ,
             have
             prescribed
             manie
             formes
             of
             prayer
             .
             Our
             Saviour
             Christ
             prescribed
             a
             forme
             of
             prayer
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             JOHN
             GREENWODS
             Answer
             .
          
           
             HEre
             is
             a
             greate
             storme
             ,
             &
             yet
             nothing
             but
             wynde
             .
             If
             you
             were
             in
             
               Caiphas
            
             his
             place
             you
             would
             either
             have
             rent
             your
             clothes
             for
             zeale
             ,
             or
             ,
             els
             condemne
             me
             before
             you
             vnderstand
             what
             I
             say
             .
             Is
             it
             simple
             dealing
             do
             you
             thinke
             to
             say
             I
             
               hold
               it
               a
               bondage
               breaking
               our
               libertie
               ,
               for
               the
               Lord
               by
               Moses
               ,
               the
               Prophetes
               ,
               our
               Saviour
               Christ
               also
               ,
               to
               set
               downe
               a
               forme
               of
               praier
               or
               to
               prescribe
               a
               forme
               of
               praier
               ?
            
             Did
             you
             not
             see
             that
             the
             Minor
             Proposition
             speaketh
             of
             the
             reading
             for
             praing
             ,
             and
             not
             of
             the
             forme
             of
             praier
             ?
             Againe
             ,
             of
             the
             commandement
             ,
             wherby
             men
             are
             compelled
             to
             reade
             instead
             of
             
             praing
             ?
             Did
             you
             not
             see
             that
             these
             wordes
             
               brought
               into
               the
               publique
               ,
               assemblies
               ,
            
             did
             specifye
             the
             matter
             to
             be
             mens
             writings
             to
             be
             read
             in
             the
             assemblies
             as
             a
             worship
             ,
             yea
             invocation
             of
             Gods
             name
             :
             which
             is
             a
             grosse
             mockery
             .
             Not
             that
             ther
             is
             any
             Commandement
             to
             reade
             ouer
             those
             formes
             of
             praier
             mentioned
             by
             you
             for
             praing
             ,
             and
             so
             the
             Commandement
             so
             to
             reade
             them
             for
             praying
             ,
             is
             an
             abuse
             of
             them
             ,
             and
             a
             Commandement
             of
             men
             and
             not
             of
             God
             ,
             etc.
             
             But
             that
             much
             more
             odious
             it
             is
             to
             bring
             in
             mens
             writings
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
             ,
             is
             proved
             vnlawfull
             in
             the
             first
             argument
             ,
             and
             then
             to
             commit
             Idolatrie
             with
             them
             by
             reading
             them
             jnstead
             of
             praing
             ,
             and
             that
             to
             compell
             men
             by
             Commandement
             wher
             God
             had
             set
             no
             Commandement
             so
             to
             vse
             them
             ,
             was
             a
             bringing
             all
             men
             into
             bondage
             of
             popish
             traditions
             .
             So
             that
             your
             common
             recitall
             of
             these
             places
             of
             Scripture
             is
             abuse
             of
             them
             ,
             and
             you
             do
             but
             
               palinodian
               cauere
               .
            
             I
             thinke
             if
             you
             get
             St.
             
             I
             H
             O
             N
             S
             gospell
             about
             your
             necke
             as
             the
             Papists
             do
             ,
             you
             wil
             thinke
             you
             haue
             religion
             ynough
             .
             The
             more
             fearfull
             is
             your
             Apostacy
             ,
             you
             proceede
             from
             euill
             to
             worse
             .
          
        
         
         
           
             GEORGE
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             About
             the
             Commaunding
             a
             prescript
             forme
             of
             prayer
             to
             be
             used
             ,
             our
             Church
             doth
             agree
             with
             all
             godly
             Churches
             ,
             yea
             the
             reformed
             Churches
             have
             and
             do
             practise
             the
             same
             ,
             here
             therefore
             I
             wish
             the
             reader
             to
             observe
             that
             you
             Brownists
             doe
             not
             only
             condemne
             the
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             but
             all
             the
             reformed
             Churches
             whatsoever
             ,
             and
             can
             be
             no
             other
             but
             Donatistes
             .
          
        
         
           
             IOHN
             GREENWODS
             Answer
             .
          
           
             I
             Trust
             your
             madnes
             will
             appeare
             to
             all
             men
             ,
             the
             poyson
             of
             Aspes
             is
             vnder
             your
             tongue
             :
             he
             that
             cannot
             rule
             his
             tongue
             his
             Religion
             is
             in
             vayne
             .
             Shall
             J
             in
             your
             heate
             be
             pressed
             with
             multitude
             of
             ,
             Churches
             ?
             then
             heare
             what
             the
             Lorde
             faith
             ,
             Thou
             shal
             :
             not
             followe
             a
             multitude
             to
             do
             evill
             ,
             we
             have
             the
             word
             amongst
             vs
             ,
             we
             shall
             by
             that
             worde
             be
             either
             iustified
             or
             condemned
             .
             Then
             either
             prove
             your
             matter
             from
             the
             scriptures
             or
             els
             give
             eare
             to
             the
             Scripture
             .
             If
             those
             Churches
             you
             speake
             of
             ,
             bring
             mens
             writinges
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             &
             inforce
             them
             to
             be
             read
             for
             praying
             ,
             I
             would
             see
             their
             warrant
             ,
             
             we
             beleeve
             not
             because
             men
             say
             so
             ,
             or
             doe
             so
             ,
             but
             because
             God
             speaketh
             :
             And
             where
             he
             speaketh
             ,
             all
             men
             must
             be
             silent
             .
             You
             may
             accuse
             other
             countries
             as
             you
             wil
             ,
             knowe
             not
             their
             estate
             ,
             but
             your
             drudgery
             insteade
             of
             true
             worship
             ,
             is
             lothsome
             ,
             the
             priest
             with
             his
             massebooke
             ,
             &
             the
             begger
             with
             his
             clapdish
             canuize
             over
             the
             
               Pater
               noster
            
             for
             their
             bellie
             ,
             which
             is
             your
             common
             worship
             ,
             with
             other
             trinckets
             .
             We
             shal
             speake
             of
             a
             Liturgie
             in
             due
             place
             ,
             Here
             you
             breath
             out
             your
             accustomed
             lyes
             ,
             slanders
             ,
             &
             railings
             .
             First
             you
             terme
             us
             Brownists
             &
             Donatists
             ,
             wheras
             I
             never
             conversed
             with
             the
             men
             nor
             their
             writings
             :
             I
             dereft
             Donatus
             his
             heresies
             .
             And
             if
             they
             had
             beene
             instruments
             to
             teach
             us
             anie
             truth
             we
             were
             not
             therfore
             to
             be
             named
             with
             their
             name
             ,
             we
             were
             baptised
             into
             Christs
             .
             Browne
             is
             a
             member
             of
             your
             Church
             ,
             your
             brother
             ,
             and
             all
             Brownists
             do
             frequent
             your
             assemblies
             .
          
           
             And
             here
             you
             wish
             the
             reader
             to
             consider
             ,
             that
             I
             condemne
             all
             reformed
             Churches
             .
             do
             I
             condemne
             all
             Churches
             for
             reproving
             a
             sinne
             by
             Gods
             worde
             &
             May
             not
             the
             true
             Churches
             (
             if
             they
             were
             such
             )
             err
             ?
             Did
             I
             affirme
             at
             anie
             time
             that
             they
             were
             
             no
             true
             Church
             that
             used
             read
             prayers
             ,
             remember
             your self
             ,
             you
             knowe
             who
             is
             the
             Father
             of
             such
             untruthes
             .
             But
             because
             your
             Conscience
             bare
             witnesse
             you
             had
             wrongfully
             chardged
             me
             ,
             and
             in
             frome
             ,
             all
             true
             Christians
             :
             you
             bring
             it
             in
             by
             necessary
             consequence
             thus
             .
             
               you
               assi'me
            
             (
             say
             you
             )
             
               prescript
               formes
               of
               praier
               brought
               into
               the
               publique
               assemblies
               to
               be
               the
               changing
               the
               work
               of
               the
               Spirit
               into
               an
               idoll
               ,
               a
               tradition
               breaking
               Christian
               libertie
               ,
               a
               deade
               letter
               quenching
               the
               Spirit
               &c.
               and
               therefore
               most
               detestable
               .
               But
               all
               reformed
               Churches
               receive
               and
               use
               it
               &c.
               therefore
            
             :
             You
             can
             reason
             well
             to
             bring
             the
             truth
             into
             contempt
             ,
             your
             moth
             is
             open
             and
             tongue
             whet
             as
             a
             sworde
             thereunto
             .
             If
             the
             proposition
             be
             true
             ,
             drawe
             what
             consequence
             you
             will
             ,
             it
             is
             yours
             &
             not
             mine
             ,
             if
             the
             doctrine
             be
             true
             ,
             it
             is
             Gods
             worde
             that
             giveth
             sentence
             against
             the
             sinne
             .
             And
             if
             you
             have
             anie
             sparke
             of
             grace
             ,
             procure
             that
             we
             may
             decide
             the
             truth
             with
             other
             Churches
             .
             Doth
             it
             follow
             that
             because
             imposing
             of
             mens
             writinges
             to
             be
             read
             for
             praying
             is
             an
             heynous
             sinne
             ,
             therefore
             they
             that
             use
             it
             are
             no
             Church
             ,
             If
             I
             should
             say
             so
             ,
             I
             should
             justlie
             be
             called
             an
             
               Anabaptist
               .
            
          
           
             And
             here
             you
             accuse
             me
             to
             pleade
             for
             
             such
             a
             freedome
             in
             the
             Church
             ,
             that
             nothing
             receaued
             which
             is
             imposed
             by
             commaundement
             .
             
               Abaddon
            
             is
             the
             Father
             of
             such
             Prophets
             .
             Doth
             it
             follow
             that
             because
             we
             would
             have
             the
             Church
             free
             from
             all
             traditions
             of
             men
             which
             have
             no
             warrant
             in
             Gods
             worde
             ,
             that
             therefore
             we
             would
             not
             receave
             Gods
             ordinances
             by
             Commaundement
             .
             That
             we
             ought
             to
             receave
             nothing
             by
             Commaundement
             in
             the
             worship
             of
             God
             ,
             which
             God
             hath
             not
             commaunded
             ,
             the
             second
             commaundement
             with
             the
             scriptures
             I
             have
             rehearsed
             ,
             are
             evident
             ,
             Deut.
             5.32.33
             .
             Mat.
             2
             ▪
             5.2.3
             .
             Gal.
             4.9
             .
             Collof
             .
             2
             ,
             20
             But
             seing
             your self
             graueled
             ,
             (
             considering
             all
             the
             world
             cannot
             lay
             a
             Commandement
             to
             bring
             their
             owne
             inventions
             into
             the
             assemblies
             ,
             wher
             God
             hath
             laide
             none
             ,
             but
             forbidden
             it
             :
             )
             you
             ranne
             to
             your
             former
             places
             of
             scripture
             to
             wrast
             them
             as
             before
             ,
             where
             your
             collections
             are
             but
             vaine
             repetions
             of
             that
             which
             hath
             been
             convinced
             before
             .
             Moses
             ,
             the
             Prophets
             etc.
             prescribed
             formes
             of
             praiers
             ,
             therefore
             men
             now
             may
             thrust
             their
             writings
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             :
             Your
             Argument
             is
             denied
             :
             and
             yet
             here
             is
             no
             warrant
             for
             the
             reading
             them
             over
             for
             praier
             .
          
        
         
         
           
             G.
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             
               The
               Church
               had
               power
               to
               expounde
               those
               prayers
               mentioned
               in
               the
               Scriptures
               ,
               &
               to
               apply
               them
               to
               their
               severall
               necessities
               &c.
               
            
          
        
         
           
             J.
             GREENWOOD
             .
          
           
             If
             you
             meane
             by
             expounding
             ,
             the
             breaking
             of
             them
             up
             by
             doctrine
             vp
             ,
             and
             by
             doctrine
             and
             praier
             to
             applye
             them
             to
             the
             severall
             vses
             of
             the
             Church
             by
             lively
             voyce
             ,
             far
             be
             it
             from
             me
             to
             thinke
             otherwise
             .
             But
             if
             you
             meane
             by
             expounding
             .
             to
             make
             homilies
             vpon
             them
             ,
             or
             liturgies
             by
             writing
             to
             be
             thrust
             upon
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             you
             are
             wide
             ,
             and
             now
             iustifie
             homilies
             insteed
             of
             preaching
             ,
             and
             written
             praiers
             instead
             of
             praying
             :
             shew
             your
             warrant
             .
             The
             CHVRCHES
             power
             is
             limited
             by
             the
             word
             .
          
        
         
           
             G.
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             
               When
               the
               prayers
               be
               framed
               and
               composed
               of
               nothing
               but
               the
               doctrine
               of
               the
               Scripture
               and
               after
               the
               rules
               of
               true
               prayer
               ,
               nothing
               is
               brought
               in
               which
               God
               hath
               not
               commanded
               ,
            
          
        
         
         
           
             J.
             GREENWOOD
             .
          
           
             THis
             might
             have
             come
             in
             before
             your
             raylings
             ,
             but
             you
             sawe
             it
             was
             too
             silly
             :
             where
             is
             that
             commaundement
             of
             God
             ,
             that
             all
             mens
             writinges
             in
             forme
             of
             prayer
             agreable
             to
             the
             Scriptures
             should
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             your
             bare
             worde
             is
             not
             enough
             to
             put
             me
             to
             silence
             .
             And
             when
             you
             have
             gott
             them
             into
             the
             Church
             ,
             you
             must
             prove
             that
             God
             hath
             commaunded
             they
             should
             be
             read
             for
             praier
             .
          
           
             Where
             I
             said
             our
             Sauiour
             Christ
             never
             vsed
             the
             wordes
             when
             he
             praied
             .
             in
             that
             forme
             of
             praier
             he
             gave
             to
             his
             Disciples
             ,
             nether
             commaunded
             his
             Disciples
             to
             say
             over
             these
             wordes
             ,
             nether
             do
             we
             reade
             that
             ever
             his
             Apostles
             did
             use
             them
             ,
             or
             enforced
             others
             to
             vse
             anie
             certaine
             number
             of
             wordes
             ,
             you
             say
             I
             spake
             vntrulie
             .
             For
             say
             you
             the
             Disciples
             desired
             him
             to
             reach
             them
             to
             pray
             ,
             as
             Iohn
             taught
             his
             Disciples
             ,
             and
             he
             commanded
             them
             ,
             when
             you
             pray
             ,
             say
             Our
             Father
             ;
             etc.
             Luke
             .
             11.
             and
             S.
             Math.
             an
             Apostle
             hath
             deliuered
             the
             same
             to
             the
             whole
             Church
             ,
             I
             answer
             I
             have
             never
             heard
             that
             Iohn
             Baptist
             taught
             his
             Disciples
             to
             say
             over
             certeyne
             wordes
             ,
             nether
             
             can
             it
             be
             gathered
             by
             our
             Sauiour
             Christes
             answere
             ,
             for
             he
             answeared
             not
             alwaies
             the
             verie
             demaunde
             according
             to
             their
             wordes
             ,
             but
             thereupon
             tooke
             occasion
             to
             instruct
             them
             as
             the
             sawe
             neede
             .
             And
             I
             have
             proved
             by
             the
             6.
             of
             Math.
             that
             our
             Saviour
             did
             not
             commaunde
             them
             to
             say
             over
             the
             very
             wordes
             when
             they
             prayd
             :
             for
             the
             word
             
               Houtos
            
             in
             Mathew
             signifieth
             after
             this
             maner
             :
             Againe
             that
             Math.
             recordeth
             not
             the
             very
             number
             ,
             or
             the
             very
             same
             wordes
             that
             Luke
             doth
             .
             And
             now
             I
             reason
             thus
             :
             if
             Christ
             had
             commaunded
             those
             very
             wordes
             to
             be
             said
             over
             in
             praying
             ,
             then
             we
             must
             alwaies
             when
             we
             pray
             ,
             say
             over
             those
             wordes
             :
             for
             in
             Math.
             6.
             he
             saith
             when
             you
             pray
             ,
             pray
             thus
             .
             Our
             Father
             etc.
             The
             etc.
             The
             word
             
               when
            
             sheweth
             ,
             that
             this
             commaundement
             is
             to
             be
             observed
             at
             all
             tymes
             :
             And
             then
             the
             Apostles
             sinned
             in
             praying
             other
             wordes
             Acts.
             4.24.25
             .
             Furder
             it
             being
             the
             most
             summary
             forme
             of
             praier
             ,
             most
             ample
             ,
             most
             perfect
             etc.
             if
             those
             wordes
             were
             commaunded
             to
             be
             said
             over
             ,
             then
             we
             ought
             not
             to
             vse
             any
             others
             ,
             for
             he
             is
             accursed
             that
             bringeth
             not
             the
             best
             offrings
             he
             hath
             .
             Malach
             ,
             1.14
             .
             By
             all
             these
             it
             is
             euident
             that
             our
             Saviour
             nor
             his
             Evangelists
             
             tyed
             no
             man
             to
             the
             very
             wordes
             saying
             over
             ,
             but
             according
             to
             that
             forme
             and
             those
             instructions
             :
             and
             now
             leave
             of
             your
             popish
             dreames
             .
             Yet
             you
             would
             make
             men
             belive
             ,
             I
             reasoned
             thus
             ,
             that
             the
             Apostles
             did
             not
             nether
             our
             Saviour
             himself
             ,
             or
             anie
             that
             we
             reade
             of
             ,
             vse
             these
             wordes
             in
             praier
             ,
             therfore
             they
             did
             not
             use
             it
             .
             Nay
             
               I
            
             said
             ,
             they
             did
             not
             vse
             these
             verie
             wordes
             in
             their
             praiers
             ,
             but
             vsed
             other
             wordes
             according
             to
             their
             particular
             wants
             ,
             as
             our
             Saviour
             in
             the
             17.
             of
             Iohn
             is
             said
             to
             do
             :
             therfore
             he
             nether
             vsed
             nor
             commaunded
             others
             to
             say
             over
             those
             wordes
             .
             And
             so
             I
             may
             well
             cōclude
             ,
             that
             to
             impose
             certaine
             wordes
             to
             be
             read
             or
             said
             by
             roate
             for
             praying
             ,
             vpon
             the
             Church
             ,
             especiallie
             mens
             writings
             ,
             is
             an
             intollorable
             pride
             ,
             even
             a
             setting
             of
             men
             in
             the
             place
             of
             God
             :
             Also
             that
             to
             vse
             them
             or
             bowe
             downe
             vnto
             them
             in
             that
             order
             ,
             is
             sinne
             ,
             and
             a
             breach
             of
             Gods
             lawe
             .
          
        
         
           
             The
             fourth
             Argument
             .
          
           
             
               Because
               true
               prayer
               must
               be
               of
               faith
               ,
               vttered
               with
               heart
               and
               lively
               voice
               :
               it
               is
               presumptuous
               ignorance
               to
               bring
               a
               booke
               to
               speake
               for
               vs
               vnto
               God
               &c.
               
            
          
        
         
         
           
             The
             fift
             Argument
             .
          
           
             
               To
               worship
               the
               true
               God
               after
               an
               other
               maner
               then
               he
               hath
               taught
               ,
               is
               Idolatrie
               .
               But
               he
               Commaundeth
               vs
               to
               come
               vnto
               him
               ,
               heavie
               loaden
               with
               contrite
               hearts
               ,
               to
               cry
               unto
               him
               for
               our
               wantes
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             
               Therfore
               we
               may
               not
               vse
               reading
               of
               a
               dead
               letter
               ,
               instead
               of
               powring
               fourth
               out
               petitions
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             The
             Sixt
             Argument
             .
          
           
             
               We
               must
               strive
               in
               praier
               with
               continuance
               &c.
               
               But
               we
               cannot
               strive
               in
               praier
               and
               be
               importunate
               with
               continuance
               ,
               reading
               vpon
               a
               booke
               .
               Therfore
               we
               must
               not
               reade
               when
               we
               should
               pray
               ,
            
          
        
         
           
             G.
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             
               These
               3.
               
               I
               ioyned
               togeather
               as
               having
               no
               weight
               ,
               you
               say
               I
               answeare
               by
               plaine
               contradiction
               without
               Scripture
               &c.
               
               And
               after
               wardes
               is
               not
               my
               bare
               deniall
               as
               good
               as
               you
               bare
               affirmation
               :
               &c.
               
            
          
        
         
           
             I.
             GREENWOOD
             .
          
           
             STay
             your selves
             and
             wonder
             they
             are
             blind
             and
             make
             blind
             .
             Is
             ther
             anie
             doctrine
             
             more
             spirituall
             ,
             anie
             more
             inculcated
             by
             the
             holy
             Ghost
             ,
             thē
             this
             accesse
             vnto
             God
             in
             the
             mediation
             of
             Christ
             ,
             by
             his
             owne
             spirit
             to
             make
             our
             mindes
             knowne
             vnto
             God
             ,
             to
             offer
             vp
             the
             fruits
             of
             his
             owne
             spirit
             in
             vs
             ,
             and
             fetch
             encrease
             from
             him
             by
             this
             secreat
             worke
             of
             true
             inuocation
             with
             the
             heart
             and
             voice
             ?
             This
             colloquie
             with
             the
             high
             maiestie
             of
             God
             ,
             is
             it
             a
             matter
             of
             no
             weight
             to
             learne
             to
             discerne
             between
             diverse
             exercises
             of
             the
             spirit
             ,
             and
             to
             exercise
             his
             graces
             aright
             according
             to
             his
             will
             ?
             Right
             is
             it
             said
             ,
             the
             wisedome
             of
             God
             is
             foolishnes
             to
             the
             naturall
             man
             .
             But
             Mr
             
               GIFFORD
               .
            
             wil
             say
             he
             graunteth
             the
             propositious
             true
             and
             weightie
             maters
             ,
             it
             is
             the
             Assumptions
             that
             be
             so
             frivolous
             ,
             &
             as
             he
             said
             a
             litle
             after
             ,
             ridiculous
             :
             wel
             ,
             let
             them
             he
             weyed
             .
             1.
             
             That
             reading
             instead
             of
             praying
             is
             not
             a
             powring
             fourth
             of
             the
             heart
             by
             lively
             voyce
             .
             2.
             
             That
             it
             is
             a
             quenching
             of
             the
             spirit
             ,
             to
             reade
             an
             other
             mans
             wordes
             vpon
             a
             booke
             ,
             in
             the
             very
             action
             of
             powring
             fourth
             our
             heart
             as
             we
             pretend
             .
             3.
             
             That
             it
             is
             not
             an
             vnburdening
             of
             a
             contrite
             heart
             by
             faith
             ,
             but
             an
             ignorant
             action
             to
             reade
             for
             praying
             .
             4.
             
             That
             we
             cannot
             
             strive
             in
             praier
             ,
             continue
             in
             praier
             ,
             be
             importunate
             etc.
             by
             reading
             vpon
             a
             booke
             .
             These
             are
             matters
             he
             thinketh
             of
             so
             litle
             weight
             ,
             the
             bare
             deniall
             and
             contradiction
             wherof
             he
             holdeth
             of
             such
             credit
             ,
             that
             it
             must
             suffice
             for
             answere
             ,
             seing
             he
             saith
             he
             hath
             before
             proved
             the
             vse
             of
             reading
             .
             See
             here
             he
             caleth
             it
             the
             vse
             of
             reading
             ;
             He
             could
             not
             say
             that
             reading
             is
             praying
             ,
             nether
             that
             these
             two
             exercises
             of
             our
             Faith
             can
             be
             vsed
             both
             in
             one
             instant
             ,
             as
             one
             action
             .
             I
             have
             shewed
             that
             
               proseuche
            
             &
             
               anagnosis
               ,
            
             praying
             and
             reading
             ,
             are
             divers
             actions
             both
             of
             the
             minde
             and
             body
             :
             let
             the
             reader
             consider
             what
             weight
             then
             this
             matter
             is
             of
             ,
             to
             talk
             with
             the
             living
             God
             .
          
           
             But
             for
             the
             benefit
             of
             such
             as
             have
             grace
             to
             savour
             the
             things
             that
             are
             of
             God
             ,
             I
             will
             a
             litle
             illustrate
             the
             Assumptions
             ,
             at
             least
             some
             of
             them
             .
             1.
             
             That
             it
             is
             a
             quenching
             of
             the
             spirit
             to
             reade
             an
             other
             mans
             wordes
             vpon
             a
             booke
             ,
             when
             I
             should
             powre
             fourth
             mine
             owne
             heart
             ,
             the
             word
             itself
             must
             be
             considered
             ,
             the
             Apostle
             commaundeth
             saying
             1.
             
             Thessaloniaus
             .
             5.19
             .
             
               extinguish
               ye
               not
               the
               spirit
               .
            
             Now
             to
             suppresse
             and
             leaue
             vnvttered
             the
             passions
             of
             our
             owne
             heart
             by
             the
             worke
             of
             the
             spirit
             ,
             giving
             vs
             cause
             of
             
             our
             owne
             heart
             by
             the
             worke
             of
             the
             spirit
             ,
             giving
             vs
             cause
             of
             prayer
             ,
             and
             instead
             therof
             to
             reade
             another
             mans
             writing
             ,
             I
             doubt
             not
             wil
             be
             founde
             and
             judged
             of
             all
             that
             haue
             spirituall
             eyes
             to
             see
             ,
             a
             quenching
             of
             that
             grace
             ,
             yea
             in
             that
             action
             ,
             the
             reading
             hindreth
             vs
             from
             pleading
             our
             cause
             with
             God
             ,
             according
             to
             the
             occasions
             we
             see
             in
             our
             owne
             hearts
             .
             And
             by
             not
             teaching
             men
             to
             drawe
             out
             the
             graces
             of
             God
             in
             them
             ,
             to
             offer
             vp
             the
             sweete
             incense
             of
             his
             owne
             spirit
             in
             praier
             ,
             but
             an
             other
             course
             devised
             by
             fleshly
             pollicy
             ,
             the
             people
             growe
             into
             such
             Atheisme
             ,
             that
             they
             learne
             not
             all
             the
             dayes
             of
             their
             life
             to
             lay
             open
             their
             owne
             soule
             before
             the
             Lord
             in
             praier
             .
             How
             much
             more
             then
             ,
             by
             imposing
             stinted
             wordes
             to
             be
             read
             in
             the
             whole
             assemblies
             ,
             insteade
             of
             the
             liuely
             graces
             ,
             making
             it
             a
             sufficiēnt
             ministerie
             to
             reade
             ouer
             such
             beggarlie
             wares
             ,
             do
             you
             abandon
             Gods
             spirituall
             giftes
             ,
             and
             make
             an
             assemblie
             of
             Atheists
             in
             most
             places
             of
             this
             land
             ,
             yea
             trulie
             in
             the
             best
             assemblies
             compell
             such
             wares
             to
             be
             read
             ,
             when
             and
             where
             the
             liuely
             voyces
             of
             God
             present
             graces
             should
             onely
             be
             drawē
             fourth
             as
             an
             holy
             odour
             vnto
             the
             Lorde
             .
             Yea
             I
             appeale
             to
             the
             consciences
             of
             al
             that
             
             feare
             God
             ,
             if
             this
             have
             not
             brought
             the
             land
             generally
             to
             Atheisme
             ,
             that
             not
             one
             amongst
             an
             hundred
             can
             call
             vpon
             God
             .
          
           
             2
             That
             it
             is
             an
             ignorance
             to
             presume
             to
             come
             into
             so
             neere
             a
             conversing
             with
             God
             ,
             and
             to
             do
             one
             action
             for
             an
             other
             ,
             so
             offring
             the
             sacrifice
             of
             fooles
             ,
             let
             it
             be
             sufficient
             proof
             that
             reading
             is
             not
             praying
             .
             That
             it
             is
             presumptuous
             ,
             to
             bring
             such
             lame
             sacrifices
             when
             yov
             know
             to
             do
             better
             ,
             let
             ,
             it
             be
             considered
             whether
             you
             would
             so
             vncircumspectly
             ,
             and
             carelesly
             approche
             to
             the
             presence
             of
             the
             Prince
             or
             any
             noble
             personage
             .
             
               Then
            
             if
             he
             be
             our
             Lorde
             where
             is
             his
             honour
             ,
             his
             feare
             etc.
             when
             we
             wil
             teach
             men
             and
             compel
             men
             to
             do
             they
             knowe
             not
             what
             in
             his
             sight
             ,
             and
             to
             offer
             such
             lame
             sacrifice
             .
             The
             Priests
             themselves
             care
             not
             what
             offring
             they
             bring
             to
             him
             Malach.
             1.
             
          
           
             Thirdly
             the
             reading
             praier
             can
             be
             at
             no
             hand
             a
             striuing
             in
             praier
             ,
             for
             the
             worde
             
               agoniso
            
             which
             is
             read
             Rom.
             15
             ,
             30
             signifieth
             to
             contend
             in
             fervency
             both
             in
             minde
             ,
             and
             worde
             ,
             to
             preuaile
             with
             God
             as
             
               Iaakob
            
             wrestled
             with
             the
             Angell
             ,
             and
             said
             ,
             I
             will
             not
             let
             thee
             goe
             except
             thou
             blesse
             me
             ,
             Genes
             .
             32
             ,
             24.25.26
             .
             Such
             ●rist
             you
             shall
             
             see
             throughout
             the
             
               Psalmes
            
             in
             the
             praiers
             of
             David
             ,
             and
             the
             Prophets
             ,
             alas
             ,
             how
             this
             should
             be
             performed
             either
             by
             feruency
             or
             contynuance
             ,
             let
             the
             wise
             consider
             .
          
           
             4.
             
             For
             importunacy
             and
             continvance
             in
             praier
             ,
             whereof
             we
             have
             many
             precepts
             ,
             let
             the
             worde
             be
             looked
             vpon
             ,
             which
             is
             
               proscartereo
            
             to
             insist
             by
             perseverance
             etc.
             as
             we
             see
             our
             Saviour
             Christ
             make
             plaine
             vnto
             vs
             by
             a
             parable
             ,
             Luke
             11.5
             ▪
             6.7.8
             ,
             and
             Luke
             .
             18.1.2.3.5.7
             .
             now
             shall
             not
             God
             auenge
             his
             elect
             which
             crye
             night
             and
             day
             ?
             Experience
             we
             see
             in
             Moses
             ,
             who
             when
             he
             lifted
             up
             his
             handes
             to
             heaven
             the
             Israelites
             so
             long
             preuayled
             :
             Exod.
             17.
             
             You
             can
             not
             make
             your
             read
             prayers
             serve
             in
             this
             vse
             with
             all
             your
             divises
             ,
             For
             how
             would
             you
             effect
             this
             ,
             except
             to
             make
             the
             Priest
             reade
             till
             he
             sweat
             againe
             ,
             with
             vaine
             repetition
             ,
             and
             the
             people
             that
             use
             such
             stinted
             praiers
             to
             say
             them
             often
             over
             ,
             as
             the
             
               Papists
            
             their
             fifteene
             
               Aue
               marias
            
             &
             fiue
             
               Pater
               nosters
            
             as
             a
             cure
             of
             altheir
             grieves
             .
             By
             this
             litle
             I
             have
             spoken
             ,
             it
             may
             appeare
             (
             though
             the
             
               Lorde
            
             knowes
             I
             am
             a
             man
             of
             vncricumcised
             lippes
             ,
             neither
             able
             to
             vtter
             that
             God
             giveth
             me
             by
             faith
             to
             see
             in
             these
             high
             thinges
             ,
             neither
             yet
             comprehending
             anie
             title
             of
             the
             excelency
             ,
             
             of
             them
             )
             it
             I
             hope
             it
             shall
             appeare
             to
             Gods
             children
             ,
             how
             odious
             your
             marchandize
             is
             in
             Gods
             eyes
             ,
             and
             how
             you
             make
             the
             ordinances
             of
             God
             of
             true
             prayer
             ,
             of
             none
             effect
             ,
             by
             your
             traditions
             ,
             he
             onely
             approving
             the
             lively
             graces
             of
             his
             owne
             ministerie
             ,
             and
             such
             as
             have
             giftes
             and
             are
             called
             thervnto
             ,
             to
             be
             his
             mouth
             vnto
             the
             people
             ,
             and
             the
             peoples
             mouth
             vnto
             him
             in
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             you
             invent
             a
             newe
             worship
             and
             extinguish
             his
             ,
             which
             maketh
             men
             fall
             into
             dissolutnes
             and
             bloudie
             tyrannie
             against
             his
             Sainctes
             .
          
           
             And
             where
             I
             alleadged
             that
             
               Paul
            
             would
             pray
             with
             the
             spirit
             and
             vnderstanding
             ,
             and
             therefore
             not
             vpon
             a
             booke
             ,
             you
             answere
             that
             
               Paul
            
             had
             no
             such
             neede
             of
             a
             book
             as
             other
             men
             have
             .
             But
             if
             you
             had
             looked
             vpon
             the
             text
             better
             ,
             you
             should
             see
             ,
             that
             the
             Apostle
             in
             his
             owne
             person
             teacheth
             what
             ought
             to
             be
             donne
             in
             all
             Churches
             &
             of
             all
             men
             ,
             And
             that
             he
             there
             taketh
             away
             the
             abuse
             of
             spirituall
             giftes
             .
             I
             Corin.
             14.15
             and
             in
             the
             same
             Chapter
             sheweth
             that
             this
             and
             all
             other
             his
             doctrines
             are
             commannments
             of
             God
             .
             vers.
             37
             nowe
             either
             God
             prescribeth
             two
             wayes
             to
             pray
             ,
             or
             els
             your
             reading
             for
             praying
             is
             a
             devise
             of
             man
             .
             But
             
             your self
             have
             confessed
             there
             is
             no
             commaundement
             to
             reade
             prayer
             for
             praying
             .
             Yet
             here
             you
             cauill
             with
             your
             stale
             shift
             ,
             that
             
               Paul
            
             taught
             others
             to
             singe
             
               Psalmes
            
             vpon
             a
             booke
             ,
             which
             is
             a
             meere
             evasion
             ,
             seing
             singing
             is
             not
             praying
             .
             
               The
            
             same
             Apostle
             faith
             to
             all
             that
             are
             borne
             of
             God
             ,
             
               because
               we
               are
               sonnes
               God
               hath
               sent
               fourth
               into
               our
               heartes
               the
               spirit
               of
               his
               sonne
               which
               cryeth
               Abba
               Father
               .
            
             So
             that
             although
             we
             have
             not
             like
             measure
             of
             grace
             ,
             yet
             if
             we
             cannot
             pray
             we
             have
             uot
             the
             spirit
             of
             God
             ,
             Gal.
             4.6
             .
          
           
             I
             alleadged
             as
             you
             say
             a
             reason
             here
             ,
             why
             praier
             read
             cannot
             be
             true
             praier
             .
             Jn
             reading
             we
             fetch
             the
             matter
             from
             the
             booke
             which
             moueth
             the
             heart
             ,
             In
             true
             praier
             we
             fetch
             the
             matter
             from
             the
             heart
             which
             causeth
             the
             mouth
             to
             speake
             .
             Your
             answere
             is
             ,
             that
             this
             a
             most
             ridiculous
             vanitie
             ,
             for
             tell
             me
             (
             say
             you
             )
             this
             ,
             when
             we
             bring
             fourth
             in
             true
             praier
             matter
             frō
             the
             heart
             which
             causeth
             the
             mouth
             to
             speak
             ,
             hath
             not
             the
             heart
             bene
             first
             moued
             with
             the
             worde
             of
             faith
             ,
             etc.
             
             Let
             men
             here
             ,
             witnesse
             with
             me
             ,
             what
             cause
             I
             had
             to
             esteeme
             you
             as
             a
             skorner
             .
             Againe
             ,
             how
             empty
             you
             are
             of
             any
             spiritual
             favour
             .
             And
             here
             you
             haue
             no
             answere
             to
             give
             ,
             but
             aske
             me
             certaine
             questions
             :
             First
             
             whether
             whē
             we
             bring
             fourth
             in
             true
             prayer
             .
             etc.
             the
             heart
             hath
             not
             beene
             first
             instructed
             .
             To
             this
             I
             answere
             ,
             that
             againe
             you
             confesse
             the
             reading
             praier
             vpon
             a
             booke
             is
             not
             praying
             ,
             but
             an
             instruction
             of
             the
             heart
             to
             praye
             .
             If
             you
             would
             stand
             to
             this
             ,
             we
             should
             not
             neede
             have
             so
             much
             labour
             ,
             and
             all
             the
             places
             of
             Scripture
             which
             you
             have
             alleadged
             for
             to
             proove
             reading
             praying
             ,
             have
             beene
             meerly
             wrested
             by
             you
             to
             deceaue
             the
             simple
             .
             Well
             (
             say
             you
             )
             but
             if
             the
             heart
             be
             first
             instructed
             before
             it
             can
             vtter
             matter
             in
             praier
             ,
             whie
             may
             not
             the
             heart
             againe
             be
             moued
             with
             hearing
             or
             reading
             the
             worde
             ,
             and
             so
             vtter
             prayer
             .
             Yes
             I
             graunt
             and
             still
             you
             graunt
             me
             ,
             that
             reading
             is
             not
             praying
             but
             moueth
             to
             praier
             :
             Thē
             all
             your
             assemblies
             that
             have
             no
             prayer
             at
             all
             ,
             and
             all
             that
             vse
             read
             praier
             for
             praying
             do
             not
             praie
             but
             mocke
             with
             God
             .
             See
             if
             your
             Ordinarie
             will
             here
             be
             pleased
             with
             you
             ,
             Yet
             you
             would
             denie
             all
             this
             with
             the
             same
             breath
             by
             a
             shift
             ,
             saying
             :
             The
             heart
             in
             moved
             when
             one
             heareth
             the
             prayer
             of
             the
             minister
             and
             presently
             sendeth
             fourth
             prayers
             together
             with
             him
             .
             I
             trust
             you
             will
             not
             say
             that
             the
             heart
             of
             the
             hearer
             prayeth
             one
             thing
             ,
             and
             the
             Minister
             an
             other
             ,
             againe
             
             the
             praier
             of
             the
             minister
             is
             the
             prayer
             of
             the
             people
             ,
             by
             Gods
             ordinance
             ,
             whiles
             they
             think
             one
             thinge
             ,
             and
             are
             mert
             to
             one
             end
             ,
             for
             anoyding
             confusion
             one
             speaketh
             ,
             ye
             all
             pray
             togeather
             one
             thing
             .
             But
             the
             minister
             may
             as
             well
             preach
             and
             pray
             ,
             or
             reade
             any
             chapter
             and
             praye
             ,
             as
             reade
             praiers
             ,
             and
             praye
             both
             in
             one
             action
             of
             the
             minde
             ,
             and
             voyce
             ,
             which
             were
             strange
             .
             Your
             cavill
             then
             whether
             the
             heart
             may
             be
             moved
             ,
             and
             pray
             ,
             both
             at
             once
             ,
             is
             taken
             awaye
             ,
             seing
             you
             graunt
             reading
             and
             praying
             ,
             two
             severall
             excercises
             of
             the
             heart
             and
             voyce
             ,
             which
             cannot
             be
             performed
             at
             once
             with
             lively
             voyce
             .
             The
             conclusion
             is
             then
             ,
             that
             either
             ye
             must
             fetch
             the
             matter
             out
             of
             your
             booke
             when
             you
             reade
             prayer
             ,
             and
             so
             do
             not
             pray
             for
             the
             particular
             wants
             wher
             with
             the
             heart
             is
             moued
             and
             pressed
             before
             you
             come
             ,
             or
             els
             you
             pray
             not
             with
             lively
             voyce
             at
             al
             ,
             when
             you
             read
             :
             The
             Lorde
             then
             having
             taught
             vs
             to
             breake
             vp
             our
             owne
             hearts
             ,
             and
             powre
             fourth
             our
             petitions
             with
             heart
             and
             voyce
             ,
             give
             grace
             to
             al
             his
             people
             so
             to
             worship
             him
             .
          
        
         
         
           
             The
             Seventh
             Argument
             .
          
           
             We
             must
             pray
             as
             necessitie
             requireth
             .
             But
             stinted
             prayers
             cannot
             be
             as
             necessity
             requireth
             .
             Therfore
             stinted
             prayer
             is
             unlawfull
             .
          
        
         
           
             G.
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             
               To
            
             this
             
               I
            
             answered
             ,
             approving
             the
             Proposition
             .
             And
             in
             the
             Assumtion
             I
             did
             distinguish
             of
             matters
             to
             be
             prayed
             for
             ,
             as
             that
             there
             be
             thinges
             necessarie
             to
             be
             praied
             for
             at
             all
             times
             .
             and
             of
             all
             men
             :
             of
             these
             a
             prescript
             forme
             may
             be
             vsed
             at
             all
             meetings
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             there
             be
             matters
             not
             at
             all
             tymes
             needfull
             to
             be
             praied
             for
             ,
             for
             such
             there
             can
             be
             no
             prescript
             forme
             to
             be
             vsed
             contynually
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             I.
             GREENWOOD
             .
          
           
             I
             Have
             proved
             in
             the
             first
             Argument
             ,
             that
             no
             mens
             writtngs
             are
             to
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             for
             there
             the
             liuely
             graces
             of
             Gods
             owne
             spirit
             and
             Cononical
             Scriptures
             onely
             must
             be
             heard
             :
             In
             the
             Seconde
             ,
             the
             vnlawfullnes
             of
             reading
             for
             praying
             ,
             in
             the
             third
             ,
             the
             vnlawfullnes
             to
             impose
             any
             thing
             by
             commaundement
             ,
             that
             God
             hath
             not
             commaunded
             .
             And
             here
             we
             shall
             handle
             in
             few
             wordes
             the
             end
             of
             your
             stinted
             praiers
             .
             Your
             distinction
             is
             ,
             far
             ,
             differing
             from
             the
             wisedome
             of
             the
             spirit
             ,
             for
             though
             many
             thinges
             be
             at
             all
             tymes
             
             needfull
             to
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             yet
             stand
             not
             the
             assemblies
             either
             all
             at
             any
             tyme
             ,
             or
             anie
             at
             all
             times
             in
             the
             same
             neede
             and
             feeling
             of
             them
             ,
             or
             fitnes
             to
             receave
             them
             ,
             so
             that
             except
             you
             cā
             make
             all
             assemblies
             in
             the
             same
             want
             of
             such
             thinges
             as
             are
             alwaies
             needfull
             ,
             or
             any
             at
             al
             times
             in
             the
             same
             preparednes
             to
             aske
             ,
             and
             use
             them
             that
             be
             needfull
             ,
             you
             can
             make
             no
             stinted
             prayers
             for
             them
             .
             Give
             eare
             then
             to
             the
             Scripture
             in
             this
             point
             1
             Cor.
             2.11
             .
             
               For
               what
               man
               knoweth
               the
               thinges
               of
               a
               man
               ,
               if
               not
               the
               spirit
               of
               man
               which
               is
               himself
               ,
               &c.
               
               Againe
               ,
               who
               knoweth
               what
               (
               shal
               be
               )
               tomorrow
               ?
            
             
             Whiles
             you
             then
             thought
             to
             have
             founde
             out
             more
             then
             the
             only
             wise
             governour
             of
             his
             house
             lawe
             needfull
             for
             his
             worship
             in
             his
             Church
             ,
             and
             of
             every
             soule
             ,
             you
             have
             lifted
             up
             your self
             into
             his
             seate
             :
             and
             taken
             the
             office
             of
             his
             spirite
             upon
             you
             ,
             who
             searcheth
             the
             heartes
             and
             knoweth
             the
             reynes
             ,
             and
             teacheth
             his
             people
             how
             and
             when
             to
             aske
             ,
             according
             to
             his
             will
             and
             their
             needs
             ,
             Rom.
             8.26.27
             .
             
               also
               the
               spirit
               helpeth
               our
               infirmities
               ,
               for
               what
               we
               should
               pray
               as
               we
               ought
               ,
               we
               know
               not
               :
               But
               the
               spirit
               it self
               maketh
               request
               for
               us
               with
               sighs
               and
               groanes
               ,
               which
               can
               not
               be
               expressed
               :
            
             Yet
             searching
             
             the
             heartes
             knoweth
             ,
             the
             meaning
             of
             the
             spirit
             ,
             because
             he
             maketh
             request
             for
             the
             saincts
             according
             to
             the
             will
             of
             God
             .
             And
             wher
             you
             say
             then
             ,
             that
             if
             we
             marke
             the
             prescript
             forme
             of
             prayers
             of
             all
             Churches
             ,
             we
             shall
             see
             this
             regard
             ,
             
             that
             nothing
             be
             left
             out
             which
             is
             necessarie
             ,
             etc.
             
             This
             bewrayeth
             your
             shallownes
             ,
             the
             wisedome
             of
             the
             flesh
             is
             foolishnes
             with
             God
             :
             who
             hath
             searched
             the
             depth
             of
             Gods
             spirit
             ,
             or
             knowne
             the
             minde
             of
             man
             ?
             who
             can
             prescribe
             the
             estate
             of
             all
             Churches
             ,
             and
             what
             every
             moment
             is
             needfull
             to
             be
             praied
             for
             ?
             Odious
             then
             is
             such
             drosse
             of
             a
             fleshly
             mans
             heart
             .
          
           
             Your
             second
             provision
             ,
             that
             nothing
             be
             prayed
             for
             in
             your
             
               liturgy
            
             that
             falleth
             seldom
             out
             ,
             but
             they
             are
             limited
             to
             the
             time
             .
             Your
             Church
             hath
             not
             this
             provision
             ,
             you
             compell
             men
             to
             pray
             against
             thunder
             and
             lightning
             at
             midd
             winter
             ,
             and
             in
             your
             most
             solemne
             feastes
             against
             sodeine
             death
             :
             But
             the
             truth
             is
             ,
             till
             you
             amend
             your
             wayes
             ,
             God
             will
             accept
             no
             sacrifice
             of
             you
             ,
             much
             lesse
             requireth
             this
             at
             your
             handes
             ,
             to
             doe
             more
             in
             his
             worship
             then
             he
             hath
             commaunded
             .
          
           
             And
             where
             you
             say
             ,
             in
             the
             Church
             of
             
             England
             the
             preachers
             are
             not
             limited
             touching
             the
             matter
             of
             their
             prayers
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             true
             ,
             you
             are
             all
             sworne
             to
             your
             
               portuis
               ,
            
             howsoever
             ,
             you
             may
             omitt
             some
             of
             it
             for
             your
             Sermons
             ,
             and
             under
             pretext
             therof
             .
             what
             part
             you
             will
             .
             And
             why
             is
             ther
             not
             a
             forme
             for
             prayer
             prescribed
             ,
             to
             be
             used
             after
             and
             before
             your
             Sermons
             ?
             is
             it
             because
             the
             text
             is
             not
             allwayes
             the
             same
             ,
             or
             that
             the
             speaker
             is
             not
             in
             like
             fitnes
             ,
             or
             the
             auditorie
             in
             the
             same
             preparednes
             ?
             I
             assure
             you
             these
             thinges
             might
             be
             sufficient
             cause
             why
             you
             cannot
             use
             alwaies
             the
             same
             wordes
             ,
             and
             pray
             according
             to
             your
             necessities
             ,
             and
             even
             so
             standeth
             the
             case
             for
             al
             other
             affaires
             in
             the
             Church
             .
             The
             disposition
             of
             the
             soule
             and
             the
             distresses
             thereof
             ,
             continve
             not
             in
             one
             state
             one
             howre
             .
             But
             let
             me
             tell
             you
             why
             you
             have
             no
             forme
             of
             praier
             for
             your
             preachings
             ,
             In
             manie
             of
             your
             parishes
             ,
             or
             (
             as
             you
             would
             have
             them
             )
             Churches
             ,
             Sermons
             are
             of
             those
             rare
             thinges
             ,
             whereof
             you
             saye
             ther
             can
             be
             no
             prescript
             forme
             of
             praier
             ,
             yea
             your
             
               liturgie
            
             approveth
             a
             ministerie
             and
             sufficyent
             administration
             without
             anie
             doctrine
             ,
             which
             sheweth
             it
             came
             out
             of
             the
             divells
             forge
             ,
             and
             not
             out
             of
             Christes
             Testament
             .
          
           
           
             But
             seing
             you
             would
             take
             vpon
             you
             to
             set
             so
             manie
             prescript
             formes
             of
             prayer
             ,
             as
             ther
             are
             thinges
             necessarie
             for
             every
             assemblie
             to
             pray
             for
             ,
             wher
             Christ
             hath
             set
             none
             .
             And
             if
             it
             were
             a
             thing
             so
             necessarie
             to
             have
             prescript
             wordes
             at
             the
             administration
             of
             the
             Sacraments
             ,
             I
             asked
             you
             whether
             our
             saviour
             Christ
             had
             not
             forgott
             himselfe
             as
             you
             thought
             ,
             that
             when
             he
             commaunded
             his
             ministers
             to
             go
             preach
             and
             baptise
             ,
             and
             shewed
             them
             the
             wordes
             of
             institution
             ,
             and
             the
             Elementes
             to
             be
             vsed
             with
             all
             things
             thervnto
             needfull
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             prescribe
             some
             forme
             of
             wordes
             for
             prayer
             in
             particular
             :
             In
             the
             tabernacle
             every
             pinne
             was
             prescribed
             ,
             so
             that
             ether
             such
             formes
             of
             praier
             are
             not
             necessarie
             ,
             or
             Christes
             Testament
             hath
             some
             wants
             .
             To
             this
             you
             answere
             ,
             that
             it
             is
             not
             of
             necessitie
             ther
             should
             be
             a
             sett
             forme
             of
             praier
             prescribed
             for
             the
             administration
             of
             the
             Sacraments
             :
             The
             minister
             may
             conceive
             praier
             ,
             etc.
             
             Hold
             you
             to
             this
             ,
             that
             it
             is
             not
             of
             necessity
             :
             you
             will
             denie
             it
             againe
             in
             the
             next
             Argument
             .
             Wel
             here
             you
             graunt
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             of
             necessitie
             .
             But
             you
             have
             not
             answered
             me
             ,
             tell
             me
             whether
             you
             hold
             it
             necessarie
             or
             no
             .
             if
             it
             be
             at
             all
             times
             necessarie
             ,
             the
             Testament
             is
             not
             perfect
             .
             Againe
             
             do
             you
             not
             hold
             it
             of
             necessitie
             ,
             when
             you
             excommunicate
             men
             ,
             &
             depose
             your
             ministery
             for
             not
             observing
             it
             ?
             But
             you
             saye
             ,
             it
             is
             for
             conveniencie
             ,
             If
             it
             be
             a
             part
             of
             Gods
             worship
             ,
             and
             all
             times
             convenient
             ,
             then
             is
             it
             necessarie
             ,
             and
             if
             it
             be
             not
             necessarie
             ,
             put
             such
             conveniency
             in
             your
             corner
             Capp
             ,
             or
             surplus
             .
             Nowe
             if
             it
             be
             necessarie
             at
             all
             times
             :
             you
             must
             prove
             it
             is
             commanded
             in
             Gods
             worde
             ,
             or
             els
             say
             that
             all
             things
             necessarie
             in
             Gods
             worship
             be
             not
             conteyned
             in
             Gods
             worde
             ,
             which
             were
             blasphemous
             and
             papisticall
             to
             affirme
             .
             To
             this
             you
             graunt
             all
             things
             necessarie
             and
             convenientare
             conteyned
             ,
             and
             aske
             if
             I
             be
             ignorant
             that
             ther
             be
             manie
             thinges
             conteyned
             in
             the
             Scriptures
             ,
             that
             are
             not
             expressed
             in
             particular
             ,
             but
             be
             gathered
             from
             the
             generall
             rules
             .
             No
             ,
             I
             am
             not
             ignorant
             of
             this
             ;
             but
             if
             it
             may
             be
             gathered
             ether
             by
             expresse
             wordes
             ,
             or
             by
             generall
             rules
             ,
             that
             there
             should
             be
             prescript
             formes
             of
             praier
             for
             the
             administration
             of
             the
             Sacraments
             ,
             or
             anie
             other
             particular
             action
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             then
             must
             it
             be
             so
             of
             necessitie
             ,
             because
             God
             hath
             commaunded
             it
             ,
             though
             not
             in
             particular
             ,
             yet
             in
             generall
             rules
             :
             But
             you
             graunt
             it
             is
             not
             of
             necessity
             :
             therfore
             it
             is
             not
             commaunded
             
             in
             particular
             ,
             nor
             conteyned
             in
             anie
             generall
             rule
             ,
          
           
             Yet
             you
             demaunde
             of
             me
             ,
             if
             one
             should
             ,
             obiect
             that
             ther
             were
             not
             commaundement
             in
             the
             scriptures
             ,
             nor
             example
             for
             anie
             prayers
             to
             be
             made
             at
             all
             before
             preaching
             etc.
             
             I
             would
             say
             he
             should
             lye
             against
             God
             ,
             we
             
             have
             both
             .
             For
             the
             Apostle
             shewes
             it
             was
             the
             chief
             part
             of
             their
             office
             ,
             to
             continue
             in
             the
             worde
             and
             prayer
             .
             Act.
             6.4.1
             .
             Cor.
             14.
             and
             1.
             Tim.
             2
             ,
             1
             Acts.
             2.42
             .
             besides
             ,
             all
             things
             are
             sanctified
             vnto
             vs
             by
             the
             word
             &
             praier
             .
             And
             because
             they
             never
             vsed
             doctrine
             in
             the
             Ch.
             ,
             but
             praier
             wēt
             before
             therfore
             their
             meetings
             is
             said
             to
             be
             vnto
             praier
             ,
             some
             things
             ther
             are
             I
             graunt
             that
             are
             not
             prescribed
             in
             particular
             ,
             and
             yet
             are
             commaunded
             by
             general
             doctrine
             ,
             as
             baptisme
             of
             Infants
             .
             But
             whatsoever
             is
             commaunded
             either
             in
             particular
             or
             necessary
             collections
             ,
             from
             generall
             rules
             ,
             are
             of
             necessitie
             to
             be
             obeyed
             ,
             as
             the
             commaundements
             of
             God
             and
             may
             not
             be
             altered
             ,
             but
             your
             particular
             forms
             of
             prescript
             wordes
             have
             no
             such
             warrant
             .
             Nowe
             seing
             you
             would
             have
             no
             prescript
             wordes
             of
             prayer
             for
             the
             minister
             to
             vle
             before
             his
             preaching
             ,
             not
             of
             necessitie
             for
             the
             Sacraments
             ,
             &
             have
             none
             
             for
             excommunication
             ,
             etc.
             
             I
             wondred
             wher
             of
             your
             
               Portuis
            
             is
             made
             ,
             &
             wherto
             it
             should
             serve
             ,
             except
             for
             churchings
             ,
             and
             burialls
             and
             such
             popery
             ,
             wherby
             you
             leaue
             the
             commaundements
             of
             God
             to
             sett
             vp
             your
             owne
             traditions
             .
             And
             here
             vpon
             I
             demaunded
             ,
             wherupon
             you
             would
             make
             your
             stinted
             and
             sett
             praiers
             .
             You
             marueile
             I
             should
             be
             so
             babling
             and
             make
             such
             questions
             ,
             you
             meane
             about
             your
             babling
             worship
             .
             You
             saye
             of
             the
             particulars
             of
             the
             Lordes
             praier
             .
             I
             demaunde
             nowe
             againe
             ,
             whether
             you
             can
             number
             the
             starres
             of
             heavē
             ,
             or
             the
             sandes
             of
             the
             sea
             ,
             if
             not
             ,
             much
             lesse
             the
             particulars
             of
             the
             Lords
             praier
             .
             There
             is
             medecine
             ,
             and
             direction
             of
             praier
             for
             every
             soule
             &
             every
             disease
             ,
             therfore
             to
             be
             drawē
             fourth
             by
             doctrine
             &
             parier
             as
             need
             requireth
             ,
             you
             would
             sett
             a
             
               liturgie
            
             vpon
             some
             thinges
             ,
             and
             compell
             men
             thervnto
             every
             meeting
             ,
             which
             were
             no
             thing
             els
             but
             to
             seale
             vp
             the
             fountaine
             ,
             and
             send
             men
             to
             the
             drye
             pitts
             of
             your
             execrable
             devises
             ,
             from
             the
             whole
             fountaine
             ,
             to
             a
             pitcher
             of
             water
             ,
             from
             the
             liuely
             graces
             of
             Doctrine
             and
             prayer
             ,
             to
             your
             owne
             writings
             .
             
               Paul
            
             commaunded
             to
             pray
             for
             Kings
             and
             Princes
             ,
             yet
             bounde
             no
             man
             what
             wordes
             to
             vse
             .
             The
             Lord
             give
             
             you
             repentance
             of
             such
             presumptuous
             
             sinne
             ,
             as
             to
             alter
             his
             worship
             .
             If
             you
             cannot
             knowe
             the
             estate
             of
             the
             soule
             before
             hand
             ,
             you
             can
             make
             no
             formes
             of
             wordes
             for
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             The
             Eight
             Argument
             .
          
           
             Read
             prayers
             were
             devised
             by
             Antichrist
             ,
             and
             maintaine
             superstition
             and
             an
             Idoll
             ministery
             :
             therfore
             read
             prayers
             and
             such
             stinted
             service
             are
             intollerable
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             G.
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             Antichrist
             devised
             manie
             blasphemous
             wicked
             prayers
             .
             But
             to
             say
             that
             the
             making
             or
             following
             a
             prescript
             forme
             of
             prayer
             was
             his
             ,
             is
             most
             false
             ,
             for
             there
             were
             Liturgies
             in
             the
             Church
             of
             olde
             ,
             before
             Antichrist
             was
             set
             in
             his
             throne
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             J.
             GREENWOOD
             .
          
           
             THe
             Scripture
             never
             inforced
             to
             reade
             praiers
             for
             praying
             ,
             nether
             stinted
             vs
             what
             ,
             or
             how
             manie
             wordes
             to
             vse
             ,
             nether
             is
             the
             formes
             of
             praier
             prescribed
             in
             the
             Scripture
             and
             devise
             of
             man
             .
             Let
             vs
             then
             hold
             these
             two
             to
             be
             the
             matters
             in
             
             hand
             ,
             the
             one
             ,
             reading
             in
             steade
             of
             praying
             ,
             the
             other
             ,
             stinging
             and
             limiting
             by
             a
             written
             
               liturgie
               ,
            
             what
             &
             howe
             many
             wordes
             to
             pray
             ,
             with
             all
             other
             such
             prescriptions
             as
             your
             
               liturgie
            
             conteyneth
             All
             may
             be
             affirmed
             antichristian
             which
             is
             not
             warranted
             by
             Christs
             worde
             :
             Yet
             your
             
               liturgie
               ,
            
             is
             even
             from
             that
             Antichrist
             lifted
             vp
             into
             the
             throne
             you
             speake
             of
             ,
             as
             may
             by
             all
             men
             be
             seene
             that
             will
             compare
             it
             with
             the
             
               Portuis
               .
            
             And
             (
             as
             I
             have
             heard
             )
             the
             
               Pope
            
             would
             have
             approved
             of
             your
             
               liturgie
               ,
            
             if
             it
             might
             have
             bene
             receaved
             in
             his
             name
             .
             Nowe
             we
             have
             proved
             in
             the
             discourse
             before
             ,
             that
             reading
             for
             praying
             hath
             no
             warrant
             from
             Gods
             Worde
             ,
             which
             maketh
             them
             two
             severall
             and
             divers
             actions
             every where
             .
          
           
             Here
             then
             we
             must
             consider
             something
             for
             an
             other
             
               liturgie
               ,
            
             then
             Christes
             Testament
             which
             we
             shall
             find
             to
             be
             nothing
             els
             ,
             then
             an
             other
             gospell
             .
             And
             because
             Mr
             Gifford
             saith
             ther
             were
             
               liturgies
            
             in
             the
             Church
             before
             
               Antichrist
            
             was
             lifted
             vp
             into
             his
             throne
             (
             which
             I
             will
             not
             denye
             )
             I
             would
             have
             all
             men
             vnderstand
             that
             I
             do
             not
             go
             about
             to
             prove
             the
             church
             no
             church
             that
             hath
             a
             
               liturgie
            
             (
             as
             mine
             Arguments
             are
             falslie
             wrested
             to
             that
             purpose
             )
             but
             to
             
             prove
             the
             vnlawfullnes
             of
             such
             
               liturgie
            
             thrust
             vpon
             mens
             Consciences
             ,
             is
             onlie
             my
             determination
             through
             Gods
             assistance
             .
             The
             worde
             
               liturgie
            
             signifieth
             
               publicum
               manus
               ,
               ergon
               Laon
               ,
            
             the
             worke
             of
             ,
             or
             for
             the
             people
             :
             that
             is
             the
             very
             execution
             of
             the
             ministerial
             actions
             in
             the
             Church
             ,
             according
             to
             the
             worde
             ,
             of
             all
             the
             officers
             therof
             ,
             that
             is
             the
             practise
             of
             those
             ministeriall
             duties
             prescribed
             by
             Christ
             ,
             we
             may
             euery
             where
             reade
             .
             Jn
             the
             first
             of
             the
             Gospell
             of
             Luke
             the
             23.
             verse
             it
             is
             said
             .
             
               And
               is
               came
               to
               passe
               that
               when
               the
               daies
               of
               his
               ministration
               were
               past
               ,
               he
               went
               home
               to
               his
               house
               ,
            
             meaning
             ,
             
               Zacharias
            
             :
             where
             we
             see
             the
             worde
             
               Liturgie
            
             for
             his
             execution
             of
             his
             ministeriall
             function
             .
             Now
             this
             
               Leitourgia
            
             of
             the
             newe
             Testament
             ,
             is
             even
             the
             rule
             and
             function
             prescribed
             by
             Christ
             ,
             for
             the
             puqlique
             actions
             to
             be
             donne
             in
             his
             Church
             :
             which
             
               leiturgu
            
             
             of
             Christ
             is
             perfect
             ,
             and
             he
             pronounced
             accursed
             that
             addeth
             any
             thing
             therto
             ,
             or
             taken
             any
             there
             from
             :
             yea
             al
             mē
             are
             bound
             to
             keep
             the
             true
             patterne
             therof
             ,
             without
             alterration
             or
             innouating
             anie
             part
             of
             the
             same
             as
             is
             called
             a
             commaundement
             to
             be
             kept
             without
             spott
             ,
             till
             the
             appearing
             of
             our
             Lorde
             Iesus
             Christ
             .
             Nowe
             ,
             to
             make
             an
             
             other
             
               leiturgie
               ,
            
             is
             to
             lay
             other
             foundation
             ,
             and
             to
             make
             an
             other
             Gospell
             ,
             not
             that
             ther
             is
             an
             other
             Gospell
             ,
             but
             that
             there
             are
             some
             willing
             to
             pervert
             the
             Gospell
             of
             Christ
             .
             Then
             your
             
               leiturgies
            
             to
             which
             you
             are
             sworne
             ,
             and
             by
             which
             you
             administer
             ,
             being
             (
             as
             you
             cannot
             denie
             )
             an
             other
             
               leiturgie
            
             then
             Christes
             Testament
             ,
             is
             plainely
             an
             other
             Gospell
             ,
             for
             the
             Canons
             and
             rules
             you
             prescribe
             and
             impose
             are
             such
             ,
             as
             he
             hath
             not
             prescribed
             or
             commaunded
             ,
             or
             at
             the
             best
             ,
             a
             transforming
             of
             his
             ordinances
             .
             Now
             if
             you
             should
             say
             ,
             you
             do
             nothing
             but
             make
             laws
             of
             particular
             thinges
             collected
             from
             the
             scriptures
             ,
             and
             with
             that
             collour
             impose
             your
             
               leiturgies
               ,
            
             we
             have
             shewed
             the
             vnlawfullnes
             of
             bringing
             anie
             mans
             writinges
             ,
             as
             rules
             into
             the
             Church
             ,
             For
             the
             explaining
             of
             the
             whole
             will
             of
             Christ
             ,
             so
             far
             as
             is
             meet
             for
             vs
             ,
             he
             hath
             given
             vs
             his
             officers
             to
             administer
             ,
             according
             to
             his
             
               liturgie
            
             by
             liuely
             voyce
             ,
             and
             due
             execution
             of
             all
             things
             by
             one
             rule
             .
             Making
             then
             a
             newe
             
               litourgia
               ,
            
             you
             must
             also
             make
             a
             new
             ministerie
             ,
             for
             Christes
             ministerie
             cannot
             administer
             after
             a
             counterfeit
             
               liturgie
               .
            
             And
             that
             
               Antichrist
            
             was
             the
             cheif
             Innouator
             of
             this
             
               liturgie
            
             (
             howsoever
             the
             thing
             might
             be
             
             long
             a
             working
             by
             litle
             &
             litle
             )
             it
             is
             plaine
             when
             he
             is
             called
             
               Antikeimenos
            
             that
             opposite
             man
             ,
             or
             laier
             of
             an
             other
             foundation
             .
             Now
             we
             must
             not
             make
             all
             
               liturgies
            
             beside
             the
             Testam.
             ,
             of
             like
             wickedness
             or
             blasphemie
             .
             But
             how
             neere
             the
             most
             heynousest
             yours
             approach
             ,
             let
             him
             that
             answereth
             the
             other
             part
             of
             your
             booke
             witnesse
             vnto
             me
             .
          
           
             Nowe
             where
             I
             said
             you
             had
             confessed
             that
             you
             never
             read
             in
             the
             Scriptures
             any
             warrant
             to
             reade
             praiers
             vnto
             God
             ,
             you
             say
             now
             ,
             I
             knowe
             I
             have
             falsified
             your
             wordes
             .
             Surely
             it
             would
             be
             knowen
             ,
             for
             I
             would
             not
             willinglie
             so
             doe
             ,
             your
             wordes
             you
             say
             were
             these
             ,
             to
             your
             remembrance
             :
             
               God
               never
               commaunded
               a
               man
               to
               reade
               praier
               :
               vpon
               the
               booke
            
             :
             Is
             not
             this
             the
             same
             that
             I
             saye
             :
             
               you
               confesse
               ther
               is
               no
               warrant
               for
               reading
               prayer
            
             :
             is
             ther
             anie
             thing
             warranted
             in
             his
             worship
             that
             he
             hath
             not
             commaunded
             ?
             Then
             you
             aske
             me
             if
             I
             will
             gather
             thus
             ,
             is
             it
             not
             expresse
             commaunded
             ,
             therfore
             it
             is
             not
             warranted
             .
             No
             you
             forgot
             the
             worde
             expressie
             to
             help
             your self
             to
             saye
             &
             vnsaye
             .
             I
             gathered
             ,
             that
             because
             you
             said
             absolutely
             it
             was
             not
             commaunded
             ,
             therfore
             it
             was
             not
             warranted
             .
             Here
             you
             come
             againe
             to
             shewe
             
             your
             ignorance
             in
             the
             scriptures
             ,
             to
             say
             ther
             is
             not
             anie
             exprese
             commaundement
             to
             vse
             praier
             before
             or
             after
             doctrine
             .
             And
             remember
             ,
             you
             here
             will
             have
             it
             a
             commaundement
             ,
             and
             said
             before
             you
             hold
             it
             not
             of
             necessitie
             .
          
        
         
           
             G.
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             There
             would
             sundry
             inconveniences
             growe
             for
             want
             of
             a
             Lyturgie
             or
             prescript
             formes
             of
             publique
             praiers
             .
          
        
         
           
             I.
             GREENWOOD
             .
          
           
             STil
             I
             must
             put
             you
             in
             minde
             of
             the
             wisedome
             of
             that
             gouernour
             of
             his
             house
             the
             builder
             ,
             beginner
             and
             finisher
             of
             our
             Faith
             Christ
             Iesus
             :
             he
             forsawe
             what
             inconvenience
             would
             haue
             growne
             if
             either
             men
             or
             Angells
             should
             make
             newe
             
               liturgies
               ,
            
             or
             other
             formes
             of
             praier
             ,
             then
             he
             hath
             prescribed
             ,
             for
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             .
             Here
             therfore
             you
             deeply
             chardge
             him
             ,
             not
             to
             have
             donne
             all
             thinges
             that
             were
             needful
             ,
             in
             not
             prescribing
             you
             more
             formes
             thē
             he
             hath
             donne
             ,
             or
             not
             suffered
             learned
             divines
             to
             impose
             their
             owne
             writinges
             vnto
             God
             .
             But
             see
             what
             the
             Scripture
             saith
             ,
             
               who
               hath
               knowen
               the
               mynde
               of
               the
               Lord
               ,
               that
               he
               might
               instruct
               him
               .
            
             
             Againe
             .
             
             
               wher
               is
               the
               wise
               ,
               where
               the
               Scribe
               ,
               where
               the
               disputer
               of
               this
               world
            
             hath
             not
             God
             made
             the
             wisedome
             of
             this
             world
             foolishnes
             ?
             To
             put
             you
             out
             of
             doubt
             then
             ,
             that
             we
             neede
             not
             any
             newe
             
               liturgie
               ,
            
             nor
             anie
             mens
             writinges
             to
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             the
             Holie
             Ghost
             saith
             ,
             2.
             Timot.
             3.16
             .
             The
             whole
             Scripture
             is
             
               Theopneustos
               ,
            
             inspired
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             profitable
             vnto
             doctrine
             ,
             vnto
             reproof
             ,
             vnto
             correction
             ,
             vnto
             erudition
             which
             is
             in
             righteousnes
             ,
             that
             the
             man
             of
             God
             may
             be
             absolute
             ,
             perfect
             fully
             furnished
             vnto
             everie
             good
             worcke
             .
             Nowe
             if
             onelye
             the
             Scriptures
             be
             
               Theopnestos
               ,
            
             and
             sufficient
             to
             make
             Gods
             childrē
             absolutely
             perfect
             ,
             even
             fully
             furnished
             to
             every
             good
             work
             ,
             what
             blasphemie
             is
             it
             to
             say
             ,
             sundrie
             inconvenience
             would
             growe
             ,
             if
             mens
             writinges
             were
             not
             imposed
             vpon
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ?
          
           
             And
             in
             this
             your
             wisedome
             ,
             let
             us
             see
             what
             is
             the
             chiefest
             inconveniency
             that
             would
             growe
             .
             You
             say
             everye
             franticke
             spirit
             (
             of
             which
             sort
             ther
             be
             manie
             in
             the
             ministerie
             )
             would
             not
             only
             be
             unlike
             themselves
             ,
             but
             varie
             from
             others
             .
             I
             answered
             ,
             and
             still
             doe
             ,
             that
             the
             Papists
             have
             not
             so
             weake
             a
             reason
             for
             their
             Idolatrous
             
               Liturgies
               ,
               
               Rubricks
               ,
               and
               Canons
               .
            
             You
             say
             it
             appeareth
             by
             all
             my
             Arguments
             ,
             how
             meete
             a
             man
             I
             am
             to
             judge
             the
             weight
             of
             reasons
             alleadged
             by
             the
             Papists
             ,
             and
             others
             :
             well
             I
             am
             weake
             ,
             and
             you
             strong
             ,
             foolish
             &
             you
             wise
             ,
             yet
             might
             you
             have
             shewed
             me
             a
             weaker
             reason
             which
             they
             alleadge
             for
             their
             constitutions
             ecclesiasticall
             ,
             as
             they
             cal
             thē
             .
             But
             my
             chief
             answere
             was
             (
             wherby
             you
             might
             have
             beene
             satisfied
             )
             that
             if
             it
             were
             but
             in
             Parases
             the
             ministerie
             should
             differ
             ,
             it
             is
             no
             sufficient
             cause
             to
             ordeine
             
               liturgies
               .
            
             And
             if
             they
             offend
             in
             matter
             of
             doctrine
             or
             conversation
             ,
             the
             censure
             of
             the
             Church
             should
             help
             that
             .
             The
             first
             you
             graunt
             ,
             the
             second
             also
             you
             confesse
             ,
             that
             the
             Church
             should
             censure
             such
             thinges
             :
             But
             you
             say
             ther
             are
             sundry
             other
             differences
             in
             administration
             of
             publique
             praiers
             &
             Sacraments
             ,
             as
             in
             order
             and
             ceremonies
             which
             the
             Ch.
             is
             is
             to
             have
             regard
             of
             ,
             and
             not
             to
             leave
             arbitrarie
             .
             All
             other
             ceremonies
             in
             Gods
             worship
             then
             Christ
             and
             his
             Apostles
             have
             prescribed
             us
             ,
             are
             diabolicall
             ,
             and
             not
             Apostolicall
             .
             Then
             ,
             for
             all
             thinges
             donne
             in
             the
             Church
             in
             those
             publique
             actions
             ,
             the
             offenders
             must
             be
             admonished
             ,
             if
             they
             trasgresse
             the
             rules
             of
             the
             word
             .
             And
             for
             the
             others
             
             you
             speake
             of
             ,
             you
             meane
             circumstances
             of
             time
             ,
             place
             ,
             kneeling
             ,
             sitting
             ,
             standing
             &c.
             of
             them
             there
             can
             be
             no
             furder
             lawes
             ,
             then
             Christ
             hath
             prescribed
             ,
             that
             all
             things
             be
             donnne
             to
             edifying
             ,
             in
             comelynes
             and
             decency
             &c.
             of
             these
             to
             set
             particular
             lawes
             ,
             were
             to
             breake
             the
             lawe
             of
             God
             ,
             which
             leaveth
             them
             in
             the
             Churches
             liberty
             as
             neede
             requireth
             ,
             to
             the
             glorie
             of
             God
             .
             In
             these
             thinges
             to
             doe
             anie
             thing
             contrarie
             to
             the
             generall
             rules
             of
             order
             ,
             edifying
             ,
             decencye
             etc.
             the
             transgressour
             is
             by
             those
             rules
             to
             be
             instructed
             ,
             admonished
             and
             censured
             .
          
           
             Well
             ,
             here
             you
             have
             made
             a
             faire
             hand
             ,
             to
             make
             read
             prayers
             but
             a
             matter
             of
             order
             ,
             which
             is
             all
             the
             worship
             you
             have
             ,
             to
             bring
             in
             mens
             writings
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             to
             make
             thē
             ether
             rules
             to
             bind
             the
             conscience
             ,
             and
             so
             put
             them
             in
             the
             place
             of
             Gods
             booke
             ,
             or
             to
             reade
             them
             over
             for
             praying
             ,
             is
             but
             a
             matter
             of
             order
             ,
             well
             then
             put
             them
             in
             your
             cornerr
             Capp
             ,
             we
             have
             enough
             of
             rules
             for
             the
             ordering
             of
             Christs
             spouse
             ,
             without
             such
             Babilonish
             ware
             .
             Here
             you
             say
             mine
             experience
             is
             not
             so
             great
             as
             my
             boldness
             .
             I
             passe
             not
             to
             be
             judged
             of
             you
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             like
             that
             the
             enchaunters
             of
             
               Egypt
            
             should
             knowe
             the
             beautie
             
             of
             Sion
             :
             ther
             is
             a
             cloude
             betweene
             you
             and
             us
             :
             we
             have
             (
             blessed
             be
             our
             God
             )
             a
             pillar
             of
             fire
             before
             us
             .
             An
             other
             fault
             you
             say
             in
             my
             former
             reason
             ,
             is
             ,
             that
             because
             the
             censure
             of
             the
             Church
             should
             redresse
             defaultes
             ,
             therfore
             ther
             needeth
             no
             
               liturgie
               .
            
             Nay
             take
             all
             with
             you
             :
             
               No
               fault
               can
               be
               censured
               that
               is
               not
               a
               transgression
               against
               the
               rules
               of
               Gods
               worde
               ,
               and
               those
               to
               be
               censured
               by
               the
               doctrine
               and
               admonitions
               of
               the
               Church
               ,
               therfore
               we
               neede
               no
               liturgies
               .
            
             To
             the
             worde
             of
             God
             onely
             ,
             ought
             all
             men
             to
             be
             bounde
             by
             covenant
             ,
             and
             for
             the
             transgressions
             therof
             onely
             ,
             to
             be
             censured
             .
          
        
         
           
             G.
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             The
             Church
             hath
             this
             power
             ,
             to
             ordeine
             according
             to
             Gods
             worde
             ,
             and
             to
             appointe
             such
             orders
             in
             matters
             of
             circumstance
             &c.
             as
             shall
             most
             fuly
             serve
             to
             edification
             .
             And
             then
             these
             orders
             being
             established
             the
             Church
             is
             to
             drive
             men
             to
             the
             observation
             of
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             I.
             GREENWOOD
             .
          
           
             First
             ,
             in
             this
             your
             papisticall
             mudde
             ,
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             your
             reading
             of
             mens
             writinges
             for
             prayer
             ,
             is
             a
             falle
             worship
             
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             not
             a
             matter
             of
             circumstance
             ,
             And
             for
             matters
             of
             order
             and
             circumstance
             ,
             which
             are
             no
             part
             of
             the
             worship
             ,
             ther
             can
             be
             no
             other
             lawes
             made
             of
             them
             ,
             then
             Christ
             hath
             made
             :
             As
             for
             ordeyning
             of
             lawes
             in
             the
             Church
             ,
             it
             is
             to
             plead
             for
             unwritten
             verities
             ,
             and
             to
             make
             the
             lawe
             of
             God
             unsufficient
             :
             neyther
             can
             it
             be
             according
             to
             the
             worde
             ,
             to
             make
             anie
             lawe
             ,
             that
             God
             hath
             not
             made
             ,
             but
             an
             adding
             to
             his
             worde
             ,
             which
             is
             execrable
             pride
             :
             these
             your
             wordes
             then
             (
             according
             to
             Gods
             worde
             )
             was
             but
             a
             cloake
             to
             cover
             the
             grossenes
             of
             your
             position
             :
             for
             the
             worde
             ,
             ordeyne
             ,
             or
             create
             lawes
             ,
             is
             to
             make
             some
             ,
             that
             are
             not
             made
             before
             :
             let
             us
             then
             see
             your
             cleane
             sentence
             to
             be
             this
             ,
             
               The
               Church
               hath
               authority
               in
               matters
               of
               order
               and
               circumstance
               to
               make
               and
               ordaine
               lawes
               in
               his
               Church
               for
               his
               worship
            
             :
             now
             see
             how
             you
             contradict
             these
             Scriptures
             :
             Rev.
             22.18.19
             .
             Prov.
             30.5.6
             .
             everie
             worde
             of
             God
             is
             pure
             etc.
             put
             nothing
             to
             his
             worde
             least
             he
             reproove
             thee
             and
             thou
             be
             found
             a
             liar
             .
             likewise
             Deut.
             4.2
             .
             and
             12.32
             .
             and
             Gal.
             3.15
             .
             though
             it
             be
             but
             a
             mans
             covenant
             '
             ,
             when
             it
             is
             confirmed
             ,
             no
             man
             doth
             abrogate
             it
             ,
             or
             superordeine
             anie
             thing
             to
             it
             .
             And
             the
             second
             Commaundement
             forbiddeth
             
             anie
             such
             humaine
             tradition
             in
             the
             worship
             of
             God
             :
             all
             the
             Popes
             trinckets
             might
             be
             brought
             in
             by
             the
             same
             grounde
             :
             We
             would
             willingly
             have
             seene
             your
             warrant
             for
             this
             doctrine
             ,
             your
             bare
             worde
             is
             not
             sufficient
             to
             impose
             other
             lawes
             then
             God
             hath
             made
             ,
             upon
             his
             Church
             .
             This
             is
             the
             foundation
             of
             Poperie
             and
             Anabaptistrie
             ,
             to
             give
             libertie
             to
             make
             lawes
             in
             the
             worship
             of
             God
             .
             Yet
             you
             will
             goe
             furder
             ,
             that
             such
             lawes
             being
             ordeyned
             &
             established
             by
             publique
             authoritie
             ,
             the
             discipline
             and
             censures
             of
             the
             Church
             are
             to
             drive
             men
             to
             the
             observation
             of
             the
             same
             .
             By
             your
             judgment
             our
             Saviour
             Christ
             was
             an
             Anabaptisticall
             Schismatique
             ,
             that
             would
             not
             himself
             ,
             nor
             his
             Disciples
             ,
             obey
             and
             observe
             the
             traditions
             of
             the
             Elders
             :
             And
             what
             saith
             he
             unto
             pleaders
             for
             traditions
             .
             It
             is
             thus
             written
             Marke
             7.5
             .
             
               then
               asked
               him
               the
               Pharises
               and
               Scribes
               ,
               whie
               walke
               not
               thy
               disciples
               according
               to
               the
               tradition
               of
               the
               elders
               ,
               but
               eate
               meate
               with
               unwashed
               hands
               .
               Then
               be
               answeared
               ,
               surely
            
             Isay
             
               hath
               prophesied
               well
               of
               you
               hypocrites
               ,
               as
               it
               is
               written
               ,
               this
               people
               honoreth
               me
               with
               their
               lippes
               but
               their
               heartes
               are
               far
               from
               me
               .
               But
               they
               worship
               me
               in
               vayne
               ,
               teaching
               doctrines
               mens
               
               precepts
               .
               For
               you
               lay
               the
               commaundement
               of
               God
               aside
               and
               observe
               the
               tradition
               of
               men
               .
            
          
           
             And
             to
             helpe
             foorth
             your
             evill
             matter
             ,
             instead
             of
             proof
             from
             the
             scripture
             ,
             you
             fal
             out
             into
             furious
             exclamation
             against
             them
             that
             desire
             onely
             to
             have
             the
             worde
             practised
             :
             saying
             ,
             who
             is
             able
             to
             imagine
             the
             innumerable
             divisions
             and
             offences
             in
             the
             practise
             of
             your
             anabaptisticall
             freedome
             ,
             in
             which
             you
             deny
             the
             Church
             to
             have
             power
             to
             ordeine
             and
             impose
             any
             orders
             ?
             lett
             all
             men
             judge
             the
             venemousnes
             of
             this
             tongue
             ,
             Christ
             pronunceth
             them
             accursed
             that
             add
             or
             superordeyne
             any
             thing
             to
             his
             worde
             ,
             and
             you
             pronounce
             judgement
             of
             them
             ,
             that
             onely
             obey
             his
             worde
             .
             Shall
             it
             be
             said
             that
             Mr
             Gifford
             holdeth
             ,
             that
             the
             onely
             practise
             of
             Gods
             worde
             ,
             would
             be
             the
             cause
             of
             iunumerable
             divisions
             and
             offences
             ?
             This
             hath
             bene
             Satans
             old
             accusation
             in
             the
             mouth
             of
             the
             most
             enimies
             of
             Christs
             Gospell
             :
             nowe
             it
             must
             be
             Mr
             Giffords
             accusation
             of
             Gods
             ordinances
             ,
             to
             be
             insufficient
             ,
             unperfect
             ,
             etc.
             fearfull
             is
             his
             Apostacy
             from
             that
             truth
             he
             hath
             knowen
             .
             I
             take
             it
             ,
             it
             is
             more
             like
             to
             be
             Anabaptistry
             ,
             to
             practise
             any
             thing
             without
             warrant
             of
             the
             word
             ,
             to
             make
             their
             own
             devises
             lawes
             ,
             
             in
             Gods
             worship
             ,
             then
             to
             doe
             nothing
             but
             what
             God
             hath
             commaunded
             ,
             within
             the
             limites
             of
             our
             callings
             .
          
           
             For
             the
             franticke
             ministery
             ,
             it
             came
             of
             your
             owne
             wordes
             ,
             that
             therfore
             you
             must
             needes
             have
             a
             
               leiturgie
               ,
            
             because
             ther
             are
             manie
             franticke
             spirits
             in
             the
             ministerie
             ?
             then
             I
             say
             ,
             it
             is
             like
             you
             have
             a
             frantick
             ministerie
             ,
             that
             cannot
             be
             governed
             without
             another
             
               liturgie
            
             then
             Christs
             Testament
             :
             For
             their
             great
             giftes
             you
             speake
             of
             :
             I
             will
             not
             compare
             with
             them
             .
          
           
             My
             reason
             from
             the
             Colossians
             was
             ,
             that
             as
             the
             Church
             there
             is
             commaunded
             to
             admonish
             their
             Pastor
             Archippus
             ,
             if
             he
             transgressed
             ,
             and
             to
             stirr
             him
             up
             to
             his
             busines
             ,
             so
             all
             ministers
             that
             caused
             divisions
             ,
             contrary
             to
             the
             doctrine
             of
             Christ
             ,
             were
             to
             be
             admonished
             ,
             and
             avoyded
             ,
             if
             they
             repent
             not
             :
             so
             that
             the
             worde
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             admonition
             by
             the
             same
             ,
             if
             they
             trāsgresse
             ,
             is
             the
             waye
             to
             keepe
             all
             men
             in
             due
             order
             ,
             and
             not
             imposing
             
               Leiturgies
            
             upon
             the
             Church
             ,
             besides
             Christs
             Testament
             .
          
           
             And
             where
             you
             collected
             thus
             ,
             that
             if
             read
             Prayers
             ,
             and
             imposed
             
               liturgies
            
             be
             Idolatrous
             ,
             then
             wher
             will
             you
             finde
             a
             visible
             
             Church
             say
             you
             .
             I
             answered
             that
             the
             true
             Church
             might
             erre
             ,
             even
             in
             this
             poynte
             ,
             though
             not
             in
             like
             height
             of
             sinne
             .
             Then
             you
             desire
             ,
             that
             the
             Churches
             of
             England
             may
             find
             like
             favour
             at
             our
             hand
             :
             
             to
             which
             I
             answeare
             ,
             let
             him
             that
             handleth
             that
             question
             with
             you
             ,
             shew
             you
             ,
             how
             your
             sinnes
             herein
             exceede
             other
             countries
             ,
             and
             persequute
             such
             as
             reprove
             you
             .
             Your
             church
             (
             as
             you
             all
             it
             )
             cannot
             pleade
             ignorance
             .
             Your
             rayling
             speaches
             ,
             of
             blind
             Schismatiques
             ,
             Donatists
             etc.
             bewray
             what
             sweet
             water
             is
             in
             the
             heart
             :
             if
             you
             cannot
             prove
             your
             Church
             to
             be
             the
             established
             Church
             of
             Christ
             ,
             they
             light
             all
             upon
             your self
             .
             Ther
             are
             none
             Schismatiques
             ,
             but
             such
             as
             departe
             from
             the
             faith
             ,
             shew
             wherein
             we
             have
             transgressed
             ,
             &
             will
             not
             be
             reformed
             .
             In
             the
             meane
             tyme
             you
             are
             Schismatiques
             from
             Christ
             ,
             in
             that
             you
             practise
             the
             Statutes
             of
             
               Omry
               .
            
             You
             chardge
             us
             with
             pride
             ,
             for
             that
             (
             you
             saye
             )
             we
             imagine
             to
             knowe
             more
             then
             all
             the
             Churches
             uppon
             earth
             .
             This
             also
             hath
             bene
             Satans
             old
             weapon
             ,
             to
             deface
             the
             truth
             Ierem.
             18.18
             .
             why
             maye
             not
             a
             simple
             babe
             in
             Christ
             see
             that
             ,
             which
             whole
             nations
             have
             not
             seene
             ?
             we
             cannot
             but
             speake
             the
             things
             Gods
             Worde
             
             teacheth
             us
             :
             if
             we
             speake
             trueth
             ,
             you
             need
             not
             oppose
             that
             we
             judge
             anie
             man
             ,
             it
             is
             the
             worde
             of
             God
             shall
             judge
             us
             all
             ,
             and
             I
             saye
             ,
             it
             is
             an
             old
             papish
             Argument
             ,
             to
             reason
             thus
             (
             all
             Churches
             doe
             such
             a
             thing
             ,
             therfore
             it
             is
             lawfull
             )
             except
             you
             hold
             with
             the
             Pope
             ,
             that
             the
             Church
             cannot
             erre
             ,
             which
             were
             blasphemous
             .
             You
             are
             not
             well
             pleased
             that
             I
             will
             not
             say
             it
             is
             no
             Church
             that
             hath
             a
             
               liturgie
            
             imposed
             upon
             it
             ,
             and
             because
             you
             have
             so
             often
             slandered
             me
             ,
             that
             I
             hold
             it
             so
             ,
             you
             take
             great
             paynes
             to
             conclude
             it
             .
             I
             have
             said
             that
             to
             impose
             mens
             writings
             ,
             to
             be
             read
             in
             stead
             of
             praying
             ,
             '
             is
             to
             worship
             God
             after
             a
             false
             maner
             ,
             that
             it
             is
             a
             devise
             of
             Antichrist
             ,
             a
             deade
             letter
             ,
             quenching
             the
             spirit
             ,
             not
             of
             faith
             ,
             Idolatrous
             changing
             the
             worke
             of
             the
             spirit
             into
             an
             Idoll
             ,
             breaking
             our
             Christian
             libertye
             ,
             and
             so
             most
             detestable
             .
             By
             these
             speaches
             I
             condemne
             all
             Churches
             say
             you
             :
             this
             is
             not
             true
             ,
             I
             condemne
             but
             the
             sinne
             .
             But
             you
             have
             sayd
             J
             deny
             that
             to
             be
             the
             Church
             ,
             that
             hath
             any
             thing
             imposed
             .
             I
             say
             you
             speak
             an
             open
             untrueth
             ;
             and
             remember
             the
             judgment
             of
             him
             that
             inventeth
             and
             maketh
             lyes
             :
             And
             God
             give
             you
             grace
             to
             repent
             ,
             if
             you
             belong
             to
             him
             .
             The
             consideration
             
             of
             this
             our
             discourse
             ,
             I
             hartelie
             commendo
             to
             be
             dulie
             and
             uprightly
             wayed
             ,
             of
             all
             that
             feare
             God
             ,
             who
             graunt
             us
             his
             grace
             to
             forsake
             any
             sinne
             ,
             where
             it
             shal
             be
             shewed
             us
             ,
             by
             how
             weake
             instruments
             soever
             it
             be
             reproved
             ,
             and
             pardon
             me
             all
             my
             defaults
             ,
             in
             this
             my
             hastie
             answeare
             .
             Thus
             have
             we
             seene
             the
             unlawfullnes
             of
             thrusting
             mens
             writings
             upon
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             and
             reading
             instead
             of
             praying
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               A
               generall
               Argument
               against
            
             their
             worship
             ,
             in
             respect
             of
             their
             present
             estate
             ,
             both
             of
             Ministers
             and
             people
             .
          
           
             The
             Prayers
             of
             such
             ministers
             and
             people
             ,
             as
             stand
             under
             a
             false
             government
             are
             not
             acceptable
             ,
             not
             onely
             because
             they
             aske
             amisse
             ,
             but
             because
             they
             keepe
             not
             his
             Commaundements
             .
          
           
             The
             prayers
             of
             such
             Ministers
             and
             people
             as
             be
             subject
             to
             Antichrist
             are
             abhominable
             :
          
           
             Those
             Ministers
             and
             people
             which
             stand
             subject
             to
             the
             Bishops
             and
             their
             Courts
             ,
             are
             
             subject
             to
             Antichrist
             &c.
             
             Therfore
             their
             prayers
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             G.
             GIFFORD
             .
          
           
             These
             do
             concerne
             the
             third
             and
             fourth
             accusation
             ,
             and
             therfore
             the
             answere
             is
             included
             in
             the
             answere
             to
             them
             .
             Yet
             I
             take
             exception
             against
             the
             first
             ,
             that
             the
             Church
             may
             be
             holden
             by
             force
             from
             executing
             Gods
             commaundements
             touching
             externall
             governement
             ,
             and
             yet
             be
             the
             true
             Church
             of
             God
             ,
             I
             alleadged
             the
             Church
             that
             was
             holden
             captive
             in
             Babylon
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             J.
             GREENWOOD
             .
          
           
             HEre
             ,
             after
             your
             acustomed
             manner
             ,
             you
             offer
             me
             great
             wronge
             ,
             first
             ,
             insteade
             of
             answeare
             ,
             you
             alter
             the
             question
             very
             subtilie
             :
             then
             you
             dismember
             my
             former
             answeare
             ,
             and
             not
             onely
             so
             ,
             but
             you
             have
             nether
             let
             my
             former
             answere
             be
             answered
             ,
             nor
             printed
             .
             Thus
             you
             alter
             the
             question
             ,
             &
             answere
             not
             ,
             where
             the
             proposition
             speaketh
             of
             a
             ministery
             &
             people
             standing
             under
             a
             false
             government
             ,
             you
             say
             the
             church
             may
             be
             holden
             by
             force
             ,
             from
             executing
             Gods
             
             commaundements
             in
             externall
             government
             ,
             wherof
             I
             never
             doubted
             :
             what
             is
             this
             then
             ,
             but
             to
             deceave
             your
             Reader
             ,
             both
             to
             judge
             sinisterlie
             of
             me
             ,
             and
             be
             drawen
             from
             the
             truth
             himself
             ?
             But
             indeede
             you
             meane
             not
             this
             (
             holden
             by
             force
             )
             of
             civile
             bondage
             or
             persequution
             ,
             for
             then
             ther
             were
             no
             difference
             betweene
             us
             ,
             and
             mine
             Argument
             should
             stand
             untouched
             ,
             You
             affirme
             then
             that
             the
             Church
             may
             stand
             under
             a
             false
             government
             ,
             inforced
             therunto
             by
             the
             tyranny
             of
             the
             enemie
             ,
             and
             yet
             in
             that
             estate
             be
             the
             true
             apparant
             Church
             ,
             by
             open
             profession
             ,
             which
             is
             nothing
             els
             ,
             then
             that
             the
             Church
             may
             professe
             Christianisme
             and
             Antichristianisme
             ,
             both
             at
             a
             tyme
             ,
             subject
             in
             minde
             to
             Christ
             ,
             and
             subject
             to
             Antichrist
             in
             outwatde
             obedience
             .
             That
             you
             hold
             this
             doctrine
             in
             this
             place
             ,
             the
             processe
             of
             your
             matter
             proveth
             ,
             and
             to
             make
             all
             plaine
             ,
             your
             wordes
             in
             the
             last
             writing
             (
             which
             here
             you
             summe
             up
             )
             were
             these
             .
             
               But
               if
               the
               Church
               at
               any
               tyme
               be
               by
               mayne
               force
               restrayned
               from
               some
               priviledges
               ,
               or
               have
               some
               government
               set
               over
               it
               ,
               which
               agreeth
               not
               with
               Gods
               worde
               ,
               which
               it
               cannot
               avoid
               &
               ct
            
             See
             now
             how
             smoothly
             this
             man
             hath
             put
             away
             the
             crosse
             of
             Christ
             ,
             by
             teaching
             men
             
             to
             stand
             under
             a
             government
             ,
             contrarie
             to
             Christes
             .
             I
             thought
             the
             ordinances
             of
             the
             newe
             Testament
             had
             beene
             a
             kingdome
             that
             could
             not
             be
             shaken
             .
             
             Heb.
             12.28
             .
             that
             none
             could
             have
             beene
             a
             member
             of
             Christ
             ,
             that
             receaveth
             the
             marcke
             of
             the
             Beast
             ,
             though
             it
             be
             but
             in
             his
             hand
             ,
             or
             could
             be
             holden
             a
             member
             of
             Christ
             ,
             by
             outward
             profession
             ,
             that
             here
             had
             beene
             the
             patience
             of
             the
             Sanicts
             ,
             to
             suffer
             unto
             death
             ,
             rather
             then
             to
             bowe
             downe
             ,
             either
             in
             minde
             or
             bodie
             to
             an
             other
             government
             ,
             then
             Christs
             .
             How
             is
             he
             a
             Lorde
             to
             them
             that
             are
             not
             governed
             by
             him
             ?
             Well
             I
             needed
             not
             to
             have
             stod
             upon
             this
             doctrine
             ,
             but
             that
             be
             nether
             printed
             my
             former
             answere
             ,
             nor
             answered
             in
             these
             pointes
             ,
             and
             myne
             owne
             copie
             taken
             from
             me
             by
             the
             Bishops
             :
             so
             that
             this
             man
             may
             retract
             what
             he
             will
             ,
             &
             accuse
             as
             please
             him
             :
             if
             he
             have
             any
             common
             honestie
             ,
             let
             my
             former
             answeare
             be
             seene
             .
          
           
             But
             to
             prove
             the
             Church
             may
             be
             subject
             to
             an
             other
             government
             then
             Christs
             ,
             which
             is
             even
             to
             say
             ,
             that
             a
             man
             may
             give
             all
             alleageance
             by
             outward
             practise
             to
             the
             Kinge
             of
             Spaine
             ,
             and
             yet
             be
             her
             Majest.
             true
             subject
             ,
             He
             saith
             ,
             the
             Church
             was
             holden
             
             captive
             in
             Babylon
             ,
             where
             he
             as
             cunningly
             hideth
             himself
             as
             before
             ,
             though
             in
             my
             last
             writing
             ,
             I
             urged
             him
             to
             answere
             ,
             whether
             the
             Church
             in
             Babylon
             was
             subject
             to
             their
             Idolatrie
             ,
             or
             no
             .
             To
             the
             civile
             power
             I
             doubt
             not
             they
             were
             :
             But
             if
             the
             Priestes
             and
             Levites
             stood
             Priests
             to
             the
             Idolatrous
             worship
             in
             Babylon
             ,
             whether
             the
             people
             of
             Israel
             bowed
             downe
             to
             the
             outward
             practise
             and
             obedience
             of
             their
             Idolatrie
             ,
             or
             no
             :
             then
             ,
             if
             they
             did
             so
             ,
             whether
             they
             stoode
             by
             profession
             the
             children
             of
             God
             ,
             or
             apostate
             in
             that
             estate
             .
             None
             of
             these
             thinges
             have
             you
             answeared
             me
             .
             Let
             the
             examples
             of
             Hanania
             ,
             Mishaell
             ,
             and
             Azaria
             testifie
             Dan:
             3.
             
             The
             people
             that
             retourned
             repented
             their
             transgressions
             ,
             wher
             they
             had
             any
             of
             them
             sinned
             ,
             and
             made
             a
             new
             covenant
             with
             the
             Lorde
             ,
             before
             they
             were
             receaved
             ,
             Ezia
             9.14.15
             .
             and
             10.
             cap.
             2.3.8
             .
             Yea
             the
             voyce
             of
             God
             was
             this
             ,
             come
             out
             of
             her
             my
             people
             ,
             and
             touche
             no
             uncleane
             thing
             and
             I
             willbe
             your
             God
             .
             We
             are
             before
             thee
             (
             saith
             Ezra
             )
             in
             our
             trespasse
             ,
             &
             we
             cannot
             stand
             before
             thee
             because
             of
             it
             .
             You
             never
             renounced
             your
             Antichristian
             ministerie
             ,
             
             you
             never
             made
             a
             new
             covenant
             since
             the
             deepe
             defection
             of
             Poperye
             ,
             but
             
             still
             minister
             in
             that
             kingdome
             ,
             and
             wil
             not
             repent
             ,
             yet
             boast
             your selves
             to
             be
             the
             Church
             of
             God
             ,
             cryinge
             out
             ,
             the
             Temple
             the
             Temple
             .
             I
             answeare
             then
             directlie
             ,
             that
             whiles
             you
             stand
             subject
             unto
             ,
             and
             practise
             and
             communicate
             with
             other
             orders
             and
             governments
             ,
             then
             Christes
             ,
             you
             are
             not
             by
             outwarde
             profession
             the
             churches
             of
             Christ
             .
             I
             may
             not
             with
             you
             omitt
             the
             worde
             (
             willfull
             )
             because
             you
             persequute
             the
             light
             ,
             &
             so
             much
             higher
             is
             your
             sinne
             .
             Here
             I
             must
             forewarne
             the
             Reader
             ,
             with
             diligence
             to
             consider
             Mr.
             
             Giffords
             disagreement
             and
             mine
             ,
             he
             having
             accused
             me
             of
             a
             fundamentall
             heresie
             (
             as
             he
             callet
             hit
             )
             wheras
             he
             himself
             maintayneth
             most
             grosse
             errors
             ,
             wherof
             J
             reproved
             him
             ,
             yet
             he
             persisteth
             ,
             Namely
             ,
             that
             the
             regenerate
             man
             may
             be
             said
             to
             stand
             in
             bondage
             to
             sinne
             ,
             by
             reason
             of
             the
             corruption
             of
             the
             fleshe
             that
             is
             in
             us
             ,
             and
             of
             our
             unperfectnes
             in
             this
             life
             .
             Then
             ,
             that
             one
             standing
             in
             outward
             bondage
             to
             open
             knowen
             sinne
             ,
             may
             in
             that
             estate
             be
             accompted
             and
             communicated
             with
             ,
             as
             the
             servant
             of
             Christ
             by
             outward
             profession
             ,
             both
             at
             one
             instant
             :
             which
             is
             as
             much
             to
             say
             ,
             we
             may
             be
             to
             mans
             sight
             ,
             the
             servant
             of
             the
             Devill
             ,
             and
             the
             servant
             of
             
             Christ
             ,
             both
             at
             one
             tyme
             ,
             by
             outward
             profession
             :
             so
             none
             should
             be
             excommunicate
             :
             none
             be
             without
             ,
             the
             world
             and
             the
             church
             light
             and
             darknes
             ,
             Christ
             and
             Belial
             ,
             should
             be
             mingled
             togeather
             .
          
           
             These
             heresies
             wherof
             ,
             he
             most
             unjustly
             and
             untruly
             proclaymeth
             to
             be
             mainteyned
             by
             us
             ,
             is
             ,
             that
             the
             regenerate
             man
             consenteth
             not
             to
             sinne
             ,
             after
             regeneratiō
             ,
             although
             in
             the
             last
             writinge
             I
             testified
             the
             contrary
             :
             Namely
             that
             the
             whole
             church
             might
             erre
             ,
             might
             committ
             some
             kinde
             of
             Idolatrie
             ,
             that
             no
             man
             was
             free
             from
             committing
             sinne
             ,
             etc
             :
             And
             now
             I
             testifie
             to
             all
             the
             world
             ,
             that
             I
             was
             never
             infected
             with
             anie
             such
             
               Anabaptistery
               ,
            
             but
             have
             everie
             where
             resisted
             such
             damnable
             heresie
             .
             I
             have
             learned
             and
             taught
             manie
             degrees
             of
             sinne
             ,
             and
             differences
             of
             transgressions
             ,
             which
             the
             deare
             children
             of
             God
             fall
             into
             ,
             after
             regeneration
             ,
             in
             thought
             ,
             word
             and
             deed
             ,
             of
             ignorance
             ,
             of
             knowledge
             ,
             of
             presumption
             ,
             slippes
             ,
             transgressions
             ,
             and
             obstinate
             sinne
             :
             Yea
             that
             ther
             is
             no
             sinne
             ,
             except
             the
             sinne
             against
             the
             holy
             Ghost
             ,
             but
             Gods
             children
             ,
             may
             commit
             it
             after
             regeneration
             ,
             and
             be
             renued
             by
             repentance
             ,
             which
             we
             ought
             to
             pray
             for
             in
             all
             sinners
             ,
             but
             that
             one
             sinne
             
             except
             .
             Not
             that
             men
             should
             here
             upon
             take
             boldnes
             to
             sinne
             ,
             because
             God
             giveth
             repentance
             to
             his
             elect
             ,
             wherin
             the
             riches
             of
             his
             mercy
             appeareth
             ,
             but
             rather
             serve
             him
             in
             trembling
             and
             feare
             ,
             as
             a
             jealous
             God
             ,
             least
             with
             Esaw
             we
             find
             no
             place
             to
             repentance
             ,
             though
             we
             seeke
             it
             with
             teares
             .
             Againe
             ,
             though
             in
             Gods
             sight
             ,
             his
             elected
             are
             never
             forsaken
             utterlie
             ,
             nor
             the
             Holy
             Ghost
             utterly
             extinguished
             in
             the
             repentance
             ,
             yet
             to
             mans
             jndgement
             he
             that
             committeth
             open
             knowen
             sinne
             ,
             and
             persisteth
             obstinately
             in
             the
             same
             ,
             cannot
             be
             held
             the
             child
             of
             God
             to
             us
             ,
             by
             outward
             profession
             ,
             but
             must
             be
             cutt
             of
             Numbers
             15.27.31
             .
             Matt.
             18.17
             .
             and
             1
             Cor.
             5.
             till
             they
             repent
             .
             Much
             more
             none
             that
             stand
             open
             professed
             members
             of
             the
             false
             Church
             ,
             subject
             by
             the
             least
             outward
             bowing
             downe
             to
             this
             antichristian
             
               Hierarchie
               ,
            
             and
             so
             continuing
             in
             bondage
             to
             a
             false
             government
             ,
             can
             be
             holden
             of
             us
             be
             true
             professors
             of
             Christs
             Gospel
             .
             Now
             let
             us
             peruse
             the
             several
             doctrines
             .
             Mr
             Gifford
             affirmeth
             ,
             that
             the
             true
             Church
             might
             stand
             in
             bondage
             to
             a
             false
             government
             ,
             yet
             in
             that
             estate
             be
             helde
             ,
             &
             communicated
             with
             ,
             as
             the
             true
             Church
             ,
             by
             outward
             profession
             :
             his
             wordes
             in
             waye
             
             of
             proof
             ,
             be
             these
             .
             They
             may
             with
             St.
             Paule
             say
             ,
             It
             is
             no
             longer
             I
             that
             doe
             it
             ,
             but
             sinne
             that
             dwelleth
             in
             me
             .
             for
             if
             the
             yoake
             wherwith
             he
             was
             held
             captive
             in
             part
             ,
             could
             not
             sake
             from
             him
             ,
             but
             that
             he
             was
             the
             Lordes
             free
             servant
             ,
             it
             is
             no
             reason
             that
             some
             outwarde
             bondage
             should
             make
             the
             Church
             not
             to
             be
             the
             spouse
             of
             Christ
             .
             If
             a
             man
             commaund
             his
             wife
             (
             saith
             he
             )
             to
             do
             a
             thinge
             ,
             and
             ther
             be
             violent
             force
             to
             withold
             her
             ,
             shee
             is
             not
             to
             be
             blamed
             .
             Rom.
             7.
             
             Mine
             answere
             to
             this
             he
             durst
             not
             print
             ,
             but
             perverted
             my
             wordes
             ,
             so
             manie
             as
             pleaseth
             him
             ,
             nether
             can
             I
             yet
             come
             by
             a
             copie
             of
             my
             former
             writing
             to
             shew
             ,
             what
             I
             then
             replyed
             .
             Now
             consider
             what
             government
             is
             ,
             and
             what
             bondage
             is
             ,
             and
             then
             behold
             the
             wickednes
             of
             this
             man
             :
             Spiritual
             government
             is
             that
             soueraigntie
             ,
             Dominion
             ,
             and
             regiment
             that
             Christ
             Iesus
             ,
             by
             his
             spirit
             ,
             lawes
             ,
             ordinances
             ,
             and
             officers
             exerciseth
             in
             ,
             and
             over
             his
             church
             ,
             as
             it
             is
             written
             :
             
               And
               thou
               Bethlehem
               Iuda
               art
               not
               the
               least
               among
               the
               Princes
               of
               Iuda
               ,
               for
               out
               of
               thee
               shall
               come
               a
               governour
               that
               shall
               governe
               my
               people
               Israell
               .
            
             againe
             ,
             
               thy
               Scepter
               is
               an
               everlasting
               Scepter
               .
            
             I
             
               have
               set
               my
               king
               vpon
               Syon
               my
               Holy
               mountaine
               ,
            
             Mat.
             26.
             
             Psal.
             3.
             and
             45
             ,
             and
             .
             110
             ,
             these
             
             lawes
             and
             ordinances
             wherby
             this
             kinge
             raigneth
             ,
             
             are
             caled
             a
             kingdome
             that
             cannot
             be
             shaken
             Heb.
             12.28
             .
             they
             that
             have
             not
             him
             to
             reigne
             over
             them
             ,
             are
             by
             outward
             profession
             none
             of
             his
             .
             
               If
               I
               be
               your
               Lord
               ,
               where
               is
               my
               honour
               ?
            
             againe
             
               those
               myne
               enimies
               which
               would
               not
               that
               I
               should
               reigne
               over
               them
               ,
               bring
               hither
               ,
               and
               stay
               them
               before
               me
               ,
               Luke
               .
            
             19.27
             .
          
           
             Also
             bondage
             or
             servitude
             is
             to
             be
             commaundement
             ,
             and
             to
             yeild
             obedience
             in
             subiection
             .
             Now
             to
             be
             in
             outward
             bondage
             to
             an
             other
             outward
             government
             ,
             other
             lawes
             ,
             officers
             ,
             and
             ordinances
             then
             Christs
             ,
             is
             to
             be
             by
             outward
             subiection
             servants
             of
             Antichrist
             ,
             which
             hath
             another
             foundation
             :
             for
             by
             outward
             profession
             we
             cannot
             stand
             (
             to
             mans
             iudgement
             )
             professed
             subiects
             to
             two
             kings
             at
             enmitye
             .
             But
             we
             must
             be
             an
             enmity
             to
             the
             one
             ,
             and
             so
             esteemed
             of
             all
             men
             ,
             much
             lesse
             members
             vnto
             two
             divers
             heades
             .
          
           
             This
             then
             is
             mine
             answere
             here
             .
             1.
             
             That
             it
             is
             an
             heresie
             to
             say
             a
             man
             may
             stand
             in
             bondage
             to
             open
             knowen
             sinne
             ,
             and
             the
             free
             seruaunt
             of
             Christ
             by
             outward
             profession
             ,
             both
             at
             one
             instant
             .
             2
             ,
             That
             it
             is
             a
             falsifying
             of
             the
             Scripture
             ,
             to
             say
             that
             St.
             
             Paul
             (
             in
             the
             9.
             to
             the
             Romanes
             )
             was
             in
             bondage
             to
             sinne
             ,
             when
             he
             ,
             in
             the
             inner
             man
             resisted
             sinne
             ,
             and
             daylie
             preuailed
             against
             the
             sinne
             ,
             which
             his
             flesh
             would
             have
             led
             him
             captiue
             in
             ,
             if
             there
             had
             not
             beene
             a
             stronger
             power
             to
             overcome
             that
             enimie
             ,
             For
             he
             ther
             reasoueth
             of
             the
             benefits
             of
             the
             law
             ,
             to
             manifest
             our
             sinne
             ,
             and
             our
             conquest
             over
             sinne
             by
             daylie
             repentance
             ,
             and
             reproving
             of
             sinne
             in
             our selves
             ,
             fighting
             against
             sinne
             in
             our selves
             ,
             and
             labour
             to
             have
             victory
             over
             sinne
             ,
             though
             it
             continuallie
             rebell
             .
             3.
             
             How
             blasphemous
             were
             it
             to
             contynue
             in
             knowen
             sinne
             ,
             in
             bondage
             to
             it
             ,
             and
             to
             say
             ,
             it
             is
             sinne
             that
             dwelleth
             in
             vs
             ,
             and
             not
             we
             ,
             and
             so
             still
             to
             blesse
             our
             selves
             without
             amendement
             .
             O
             horrible
             peruertinge
             of
             the
             Scriptures
             to
             mens
             distruction
             .
             2.
             
               Pet.
            
             3.16.4
             ,
             That
             ther
             is
             no
             Argument
             to
             be
             drawen
             ,
             nor
             consequence
             to
             followe
             ,
             from
             the
             reliques
             of
             sinne
             ,
             and
             corruption
             of
             the
             fleshe
             in
             one
             man
             ,
             or
             the
             whole
             Church
             ,
             and
             a
             professed
             bondage
             to
             all
             false
             government
             :
             no
             not
             betweene
             the
             open
             committing
             of
             sinne
             in
             the
             whole
             Church
             ,
             or
             some
             members
             therof
             ,
             and
             a
             professed
             homage
             and
             subiection
             vnto
             false
             government
             ,
             we
             cannot
             be
             partaken
             
             be
             partakers
             with
             the
             false
             Church
             &
             state
             ,
             at
             no
             hand
             .
             1.
             Cor.
             10.21.5
             .
             Lastlie
             ,
             that
             the
             subiection
             to
             an
             other
             government
             ,
             is
             as
             a
             wife
             that
             committeth
             adulterie
             .
             Hosea
             .
             2.
             
          
           
             I
             then
             reason
             thus
             on
             the
             contrary
             with
             you
             .
             Any
             man
             that
             after
             regeneration
             committeth
             open
             knowen
             sinne
             ,
             and
             contynueth
             obstiuate
             ,
             as
             a
             bond
             servaunt
             ther
             vnto
             ,
             standeth
             not
             the
             professed
             servaunt
             of
             Christ
             ,
             but
             of
             sinne
             .
             Ezechiel
             .
             18.
             till
             he
             repent
             ,
             so
             the
             whole
             Church
             ,
             that
             persisteth
             in
             the
             open
             knowen
             sinne
             ,
             and
             persequuteth
             the
             messengers
             that
             reprove
             the
             same
             .
             They
             ,
             as
             everie
             ,
             member
             of
             the
             false
             Church
             standeth
             a
             professed
             servaunt
             of
             sinne
             ,
             so
             the
             whole
             assemblies
             that
             stand
             ;
             professed
             subiects
             of
             false
             government
             ,
             no
             censures
             of
             admonition
             belonging
             vnto
             them
             ,
             but
             calling
             of
             them
             ,
             to
             repentance
             &
             separation
             from
             the
             false
             Church
             .
             Then
             ,
             as
             the
             wife
             that
             giveth
             her self
             to
             be
             one
             with
             an
             other
             man
             ,
             is
             an
             adulteresse
             Rom.
             7.3
             .
             so
             that
             Church
             that
             subiecteth
             herself
             to
             an
             other
             government
             ,
             ordinances
             ,
             and
             lawes
             then
             Christs
             ,
             is
             an
             harlot
             .
             Now
             lett
             all
             men
             say
             ,
             whether
             I
             had
             not
             iust
             cause
             to
             say
             ,
             you
             speak
             like
             a
             carnall
             libertine
             ,
             and
             an
             Athiest
             ,
             yea
             now
             ,
             as
             one
             having
             his
             conscience
             
             seated
             .
             to
             affirme
             ,
             that
             the
             Church
             ,
             remayninge
             in
             open
             knowne
             bondage
             to
             a
             false
             government
             ,
             may
             saye
             as
             Paul
             said
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             I
             that
             sinne
             .
             And
             ,
             that
             continuing
             in
             that
             adultrie
             she
             is
             the
             spouse
             of
             Christ
             by
             outward
             profession
             .
             You
             would
             saye
             it
             were
             a
             false
             Argument
             ,
             to
             say
             ,
             the
             Church
             hath
             manie
             imperfections
             ,
             ignorances
             ,
             transgressions
             etc.
             therfore
             standeth
             in
             bondage
             to
             sinne
             ,
             nay
             standeth
             in
             bondage
             to
             an
             other
             heade
             ,
             and
             an
             other
             government
             then
             Christ
             .
             Even
             so
             ,
             to
             saye
             the
             Church
             doth
             sinne
             ,
             therfore
             may
             contynue
             in
             bondage
             to
             sinne
             ,
             is
             false
             doctrine
             :
             nay
             ,
             to
             say
             it
             may
             stand
             in
             open
             professed
             subiection
             to
             Antichrist
             ,
             &
             be
             esteemed
             the
             Church
             of
             Christ
             by
             outward
             profession
             in
             that
             estate
             ,
             is
             damnable
             doctrine
             .
          
           
             It
             is
             the
             flat
             contradiction
             of
             all
             the
             rules
             of
             the
             Scripture
             ,
             to
             say
             ,
             a
             man
             may
             stand
             in
             bondage
             to
             sinne
             ,
             and
             the
             free
             servaunt
             of
             Christ
             by
             outward
             profession
             ,
             by
             mans
             iudgement
             ,
             at
             one
             tyme
             ,
             seing
             the
             obstinate
             offenders
             are
             to
             be
             cast
             out
             of
             the
             assemblie
             :
             But
             nowe
             ,
             though
             the
             regenerate
             may
             fall
             into
             these
             high
             sinnes
             ,
             and
             contynve
             in
             their
             sinne
             a
             long
             time
             ,
             yea
             manie
             yeares
             depriued
             of
             Gods
             grace
             ,
             to
             mans
             
             seeming
             ,
             &
             to
             vs
             he
             is
             the
             servant
             of
             Satan
             for
             anie
             thing
             wee
             see
             ,
             yet
             the
             Spirit
             of
             GOD
             is
             never
             vtterlie
             extinguished
             or
             or
             deparred
             ,
             after
             regeneration
             ,
             but
             will
             recover
             the
             man
             againe
             ,
             and
             bring
             him
             to
             repentance
             ,
             as
             David
             after
             a
             whole
             yeare
             ,
             for
             the
             stronge
             man
             once
             displaced
             and
             cast
             out
             by
             a
             stronger
             then
             he
             ,
             the
             spirit
             never
             vtterly
             departed
             againe
             ,
             for
             then
             it
             were
             impossible
             that
             man
             should
             be
             renewed
             .
             Mat.
             12.31
             .
             Heb.
             10.29
             .
             and
             .
             6.4
             .
          
           
             And
             herevpon
             I
             might
             saye
             ,
             Paul
             never
             contynued
             captive
             in
             sinne
             but
             was
             alwaies
             renewed
             by
             repentance
             .
             Furder
             ,
             this
             spirit
             of
             God
             (
             the
             sparkes
             wherof
             were
             never
             quenched
             vtterlie
             )
             did
             not
             ,
             nor
             could
             not
             consent
             or
             give
             place
             vnto
             sinne
             ,
             for
             here
             is
             the
             enmitye
             and
             battel
             betweene
             the
             spirite
             and
             the
             flesh
             ,
             everie
             where
             spoken
             of
             .
             Gal
             ,
             5.16.17
             .
             Rom.
             7.
             
             May
             I
             not
             now
             say
             then
             ,
             that
             Paul
             never
             contynued
             captive
             vnto
             sinne
             ,
             nor
             consented
             vnto
             sin
             concerninge
             the
             inner
             man
             ,
             or
             gave
             place
             vnto
             sinne
             in
             that
             place
             mentioned
             ,
             without
             heresie
             :
             And
             still
             reprove
             you
             ,
             that
             when
             Paul
             reasoneth
             of
             the
             old
             man
             ,
             or
             corruption
             in
             him
             ,
             you
             will
             conclude
             it
             of
             the
             new
             man
             ,
             or
             inner
             man
             ,
             and
             of
             the
             whole
             man
             ,
             
             when
             you
             see
             evidently
             ,
             he
             opposeth
             the
             one
             against
             the
             other
             :
             For
             whiles
             the
             spirit
             striveth
             against
             sinne
             ,
             and
             raigneth
             in
             vs
             ,
             though
             the
             fleshe
             rebell
             ,
             and
             cause
             vs
             to
             sinne
             seaven
             times
             a
             daye
             ,
             yet
             are
             we
             not
             overcome
             of
             sine
             ,
             so
             to
             remayne
             in
             bondage
             no
             sinne
             ,
             that
             it
             should
             contynue
             to
             raigne
             in
             vs
             ,
             as
             you
             may
             see
             in
             the
             same
             chapter
             Rom
             7.5.6
             .
             Where
             you
             alleage
             then
             ,
             that
             Paul
             saw
             a
             lawe
             in
             his
             members
             ,
             which
             did
             lead
             him
             captive
             vnto
             sinne
             ,
             you
             do
             falsifie
             the
             text
             :
             for
             he
             saith
             leading
             me
             captive
             ,
             and
             not
             did
             leade
             etc.
             for
             ther
             was
             a
             stronger
             then
             man
             ,
             that
             suffered
             not
             the
             lawe
             of
             his
             members
             to
             reigne
             :
             for
             saith
             be
             ,
             I
             my self
             in
             my
             minde
             serve
             the
             law
             of
             God
             ,
             but
             in
             the
             flesh
             the
             law
             of
             of
             sinne
             ,
             so
             that
             the
             whole
             man
             could
             not
             be
             said
             to
             serve
             sinne
             .
             But
             (
             say
             you
             )
             afterward
             as
             concerning
             then
             the
             inner
             man
             we
             may
             besaid
             to
             serve
             the
             lawe
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             thervpon
             be
             called
             the
             free
             servants
             of
             Christ
             ,
             notwithstanding
             this
             corruption
             of
             sinne
             in
             the
             flesh
             :
             So
             the
             whole
             man
             by
             reason
             of
             our
             imperfectnes
             may
             be
             said
             to
             be
             the
             servants
             of
             sinne
             .
             No
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             true
             ,
             for
             the
             whole
             man
             is
             called
             after
             the
             part
             that
             hath
             greater
             rule
             in
             vs
             :
             as
             if
             the
             fleshe
             rule
             in
             us
             ,
             we
             are
             the
             servaunts
             of
             
             sinne
             ,
             and
             ledded
             by
             Satan
             at
             his
             pleasure
             ,
             but
             if
             the
             Spirit
             rule
             in
             vs
             ,
             we
             are
             the
             servauntes
             of
             God
             ,
             Sonnes
             of
             God
             ,
             Sainctes
             of
             God
             ,
             Citizens
             of
             Ierusalem
             ,
             a
             royall
             nation
             ,
             holie
             and
             free
             people
             ,
             Kinges
             and
             Priests
             :
             not
             that
             we
             are
             perfect
             ,
             or
             sinne
             not
             ,
             but
             that
             sinne
             raygneth
             not
             in
             vs
             ,
             but
             the
             spirit
             ,
             wherby
             we
             suppresse
             sinne
             ,
             reprove
             sinne
             ,
             strive
             against
             sinne
             ,
             subdue
             sinne
             ,
             and
             though
             we
             fall
             seven
             times
             ,
             yet
             we
             rise
             againe
             by
             repentance
             ,
             and
             serve
             not
             sinne
             .
             Rightly
             therfore
             did
             I
             saye
             ,
             that
             man
             cannot
             serve
             2
             masters
             :
             for
             his
             servantes
             we
             are
             to
             whom
             we
             give
             our selves
             as
             servants
             to
             obey
             ,
             whether
             it
             be
             of
             sinne
             ,
             vnto
             death
             ,
             or
             of
             obedience
             ,
             vnto
             righteousnes
             .
             Rom.
             6.16.18
             .
             being
             made
             free
             from
             sinne
             ,
             we
             are
             made
             the
             servantes
             of
             righteousnes
             :
             So
             that
             the
             regenerat
             man
             ,
             or
             he
             that
             is
             by
             outward
             profession
             the
             servant
             of
             Christ
             ,
             cannot
             be
             called
             the
             servant
             of
             sinne
             ,
             by
             reason
             of
             the
             corruption
             of
             the
             old
             man
             ,
             and
             dregges
             of
             sinne
             ,
             neyther
             can
             he
             that
             standeth
             in
             bondage
             to
             anie
             sinne
             and
             giveth
             himself
             over
             to
             it
             be
             called
             in
             that
             estate
             the
             servant
             of
             Christ
             ,
             till
             he
             repent
             ,
             but
             the
             servant
             of
             sinne
             .
             2.
             Pet.
             2.19
             .
          
           
             Therfore
             you
             must
             recant
             your
             false
             interpretation
             
             of
             Paul
             in
             the
             7.
             to
             the
             Rom.
             and
             cease
             your
             blasphemous
             raylings
             ,
             in
             calling
             the
             truth
             of
             God
             ,
             the
             rocke
             of
             Brownisme
             .
             And
             consider
             the
             height
             of
             your
             sinne
             ,
             by
             concluding
             a
             bondage
             vnto
             sinne
             of
             the
             whole
             man
             ,
             for
             the
             corruptions
             of
             the
             fleshe
             ,
             which
             through
             the
             worke
             of
             the
             Spirit
             is
             daylie
             subdued
             ,
             though
             never
             ,
             vtterly
             rooted
             out
             of
             our
             earthlie
             members
             ,
             and
             from
             the
             committing
             sinne
             through
             frayltie
             ,
             and
             obstinate
             professed
             bondage
             to
             the
             false
             Church
             ,
             false
             government
             ,
             false
             ministerie
             etc.
             which
             is
             plainly
             the
             marck
             of
             the
             Beast
             ,
             to
             whom
             with
             outward
             obedience
             they
             bowe
             downe
             ,
             and
             stand
             servants
             in
             his
             kingdome
             Revel.
             14.9.11.12
             .
          
           
             As
             for
             the
             4
             ,
             of
             the
             Galat.
             26.
             where
             the
             Apostles
             aith
             ,
             Jerusalem
             which
             is
             abone
             is
             free
             with
             her
             Children
             ,
             you
             durst
             not
             open
             it
             ,
             nor
             expounde
             it
             ,
             but
             blaspheame
             ,
             raile
             ,
             and
             slander
             ,
             as
             though
             we
             should
             pleade
             for
             such
             a
             freedome
             ,
             as
             should
             detract
             from
             Magistrates
             lawfull
             authorities
             ,
             from
             having
             Gods
             ordinances
             established
             by
             commaundement
             vpon
             the
             Church
             etc
             ,
             yea
             ,
             that
             we
             should
             hold
             Anabaptisticall
             free
             dome
             ,
             as
             though
             we
             had
             power
             not
             to
             committ
             ,
             or
             consent
             vnto
             sinne
             :
             wheras
             we
             have
             
             everie
             where
             by
             practise
             and
             protestation
             ,
             by
             word
             and
             writing
             testified
             to
             our
             Sovereigne
             Prince
             ,
             and
             to
             all
             men
             ,
             the
             contrary
             .
             But
             Satan
             that
             old
             accuser
             and
             detracter
             of
             Gods
             children
             ,
             to
             deceive
             the
             world
             ,
             sendeth
             out
             such
             lyinge
             spirites
             to
             deface
             the
             truth
             .
             We
             ,
             with
             all
             subiection
             and
             willinge
             obedience
             to
             our
             sovereigne
             Prince
             ,
             teach
             all
             men
             their
             obedience
             to
             the
             higher
             powers
             :
             Subiectes
             to
             Magistrates
             ,
             Flocke
             to
             Overseers
             ,
             children
             to
             Parentes
             ,
             wives
             to
             their
             husbands
             ,
             servantes
             to
             their
             Masters
             etc.
             in
             all
             things
             in
             the
             Lorde
             :
             and
             if
             they
             commaund
             vs
             anie
             thing
             contrary
             to
             the
             lawe
             of
             God
             ,
             we
             then
             patientlie
             suffer
             without
             resistance
             ,
             or
             rebellious
             thoughtes
             ,
             The
             freedome
             then
             we
             have
             to
             speake
             of
             here
             ,
             which
             Christ
             had
             purchased
             for
             vs
             ▪
             is
             ,
             first
             that
             triumphe
             ouer
             Hell
             ,
             Deathe
             ,
             and
             damnation
             ,
             through
             the
             merites
             of
             Christ
             apprehended
             by
             faith
             ,
             wayted
             for
             in
             hope
             ,
             Rom.
             8.
             
             Secondly
             ,
             that
             because
             we
             were
             sonnes
             by
             election
             ,
             he
             giveth
             vs
             the
             spirit
             of
             adoption
             ,
             and
             sanctification
             ,
             whereby
             we
             mortifie
             the
             fleshe
             ,
             have
             power
             and
             dominion
             over
             sinne
             ,
             that
             it
             shall
             never
             reigne
             in
             vs
             more
             vnto
             condemnation
             ,
             repēting
             dayly
             of
             our
             trespasses
             ,
             &
             craving
             
             pardon
             for
             our
             hidden
             sinnes
             ,
             and
             secret
             faultes
             .
             Thirdly
             ,
             we
             are
             through
             the
             same
             spirit
             and
             worde
             of
             trueth
             delivered
             from
             all
             subiection
             of
             Antichist
             ,
             of
             the
             false
             Church
             ,
             false
             ministerie
             ,
             false
             government
             etc.
             
             And
             they
             that
             have
             not
             this
             fredome
             are
             not
             by
             outward
             profession
             the
             servauntes
             of
             Christ
             .
             Furder
             ,
             we
             have
             freedom
             from
             all
             traditious
             of
             men
             that
             seing
             we
             are
             bought
             with
             a
             price
             ,
             we
             are
             no
             longer
             servants
             of
             men
             ,
             to
             be
             in
             bondage
             to
             anie
             beggarly
             rudimentes
             or
             devises
             of
             men
             ,
             but
             in
             all
             peaceable
             manner
             ,
             to
             worship
             and
             serve
             God
             ,
             within
             the
             limites
             of
             our
             callings
             ,
             according
             to
             the
             word
             of
             God
             ,
             as
             it
             is
             reuealed
             vnto
             vs
             :
             We
             have
             freedome
             to
             speake
             the
             trueth
             with
             all
             boldnes
             ,
             though
             all
             men
             should
             inhibite
             vs
             :
             we
             would
             not
             haue
             the
             doctrine
             limited
             ,
             stinted
             ,
             bought
             and
             sould
             for
             Iewish
             tythes
             or
             mercenarie
             stipendes
             .
          
           
             We
             have
             freedome
             to
             separate
             from
             such
             false
             Prophets
             as
             yourself
             ,
             to
             come
             out
             of
             Babel
             ,
             etc.
             
             And
             in
             the
             true
             Church
             to
             reprove
             and
             withstand
             anie
             sinne
             or
             traditions
             of
             men
             in
             due
             order
             only
             ,
             &
             to
             be
             guided
             &
             governed
             by
             Christes
             lawes
             and
             ordinances
             .
             In
             all
             this
             I
             trust
             you
             shall
             
             not
             find
             any
             Anabaptistrie
             in
             the
             freedom
             we
             professe
             :
             this
             is
             the
             truth
             of
             the
             Gospell
             ,
             wherby
             we
             are
             made
             free
             .
          
           
             Thus
             then
             we
             still
             affirme
             ,
             that
             they
             which
             stand
             in
             open
             known
             bondage
             to
             sinne
             ,
             are
             the
             servants
             of
             sinne
             ,
             and
             not
             of
             Christ
             ,
             till
             they
             repent
             ,
             by
             outward
             profession
             .
             Furder
             ,
             that
             all
             which
             stand
             members
             of
             your
             parish
             assemblies
             ,
             stand
             not
             members
             of
             CHRIST
             by
             outward
             profession
             ,
             but
             in
             bondage
             to
             a
             false
             and
             Antichristian
             ministery
             ,
             government
             ,
             worship
             etc.
             and
             the
             bond
             woeman
             and
             her
             sonne
             must
             be
             cast
             out
             .
             Furder
             for
             all
             
               liturgies
               ,
            
             and
             other
             devises
             of
             men
             besides
             the
             canonicall
             Scriptures
             and
             lively
             graces
             of
             his
             Spirit
             ,
             we
             hold
             they
             ought
             not
             to
             be
             brought
             into
             the
             publique
             assemblies
             ,
             nor
             imposed
             vpon
             mens
             conscience
             :
             But
             if
             anie
             will
             write
             such
             ,
             or
             reade
             such
             ,
             let
             it
             be
             for
             their
             private
             vse
             ,
             as
             all
             other
             mens
             writtings
             :
             we
             despise
             not
             any
             directions
             by
             word
             or
             writting
             ,
             that
             may
             furder
             vs
             anie
             way
             to
             the
             practize
             of
             Gods
             ordinances
             ,
             yet
             may
             they
             nether
             be
             imposed
             vpon
             mens
             consciences
             ,
             not
             be
             made
             a
             part
             of
             Gods
             worship
             .
          
           
             The
             Lord
             therfore
             that
             hath
             thus
             far
             
             far
             fourth
             discouered
             the
             chaff
             and
             mift
             of
             Antichrist
             delusions
             ,
             euen
             to
             babes
             and
             sucklings
             ,
             publish
             the
             glorious
             light
             of
             his
             blessed
             Gospel
             ,
             that
             the
             peopel
             may
             see
             the
             counterfeit
             iuglinges
             of
             all
             such
             false
             prophets
             ,
             and
             come
             out
             from
             amongst
             them
             ,
             that
             you
             may
             be
             ashamed
             of
             your
             execrapale
             wares
             ,
             and
             forsake
             your
             Romish
             Priesthoode
             and
             give
             glory
             to
             God
             ,
             that
             yet
             offereth
             grace
             ,
          
           
             Amen
             ,
          
           
             
               Christs
               vnworthie
               witnes
               for
               the
               truth
               of
               his
               Gospell
               IOHN
               GREENWOOD
               .
            
          
        
         
         
           
             9
             Other
             Arguments
             to
             prove
             that
             all
             set
             formes
             of
             prayer
             to
             be
             used
             for
             prayer
             are
             unlawfull
             .
          
           
             1.
             
             WE
             finde
             that
             all
             the
             holy
             men
             of
             God
             according
             to
             their
             present
             need
             &
             occasion
             used
             to
             pray
             in
             the
             spirit
             ,
             through
             the
             
               helpe
               of
               the
               Holy
               Ghost
               ,
            
             which
             God
             hath
             shed
             in
             the
             hearts
             of
             all
             his
             Children
             ,
             without
             reading
             or
             saying
             by
             rote
             any
             nūber
             of
             words
             ;
             and
             for
             this
             we
             have
             plentifull
             Examples
             in
             
               Abraham
               ,
               Isaak
               ,
               Iacob
               ,
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             2.
             
             Not
             any
             prescript
             Leiturgy
             can
             possibly
             be
             an
             ordinance
             of
             Christ
             ,
             because
             the
             Church
             without
             it
             may
             perfectly
             and
             entirely
             worship
             God
             ,
             I
             say
             performe
             all
             the
             parts
             of
             holy
             and
             spirituall
             worship
             ,
             &
             this
             appeares
             by
             the
             constant
             and
             generall
             practice
             of
             all
             the
             primitive
             Churches
             ,
             who
             truly
             worshipped
             the
             Lord
             many
             yeares
             ,
             before
             any
             such
             read
             stinted
             service
             was
             devised
             or
             imposed
             .
          
           
             3.
             
             This
             external
             meanes
             and
             manner
             of
             worshipping
             God
             in
             prayer
             ,
             is
             no where
             
             found
             in
             the
             written
             word
             (
             by
             the
             prescript
             whereof
             he
             is
             to
             be
             worshipped
             )
             whatsoever
             the
             Iewes
             Fable
             of
             
               Ezra
               ,
            
             or
             the
             Papists
             of
             
               S.
               Iames
            
             or
             
               S.
               Peter
            
             :
             Yea
             I
             doe
             to
             the
             contrarie
             affirme
             ,
             that
             it
             did
             not
             seem
             good
             to
             the
             Apostles
             the
             last
             penmen
             of
             the
             Holy
             Ghost
             ,
             that
             any
             certaine
             formes
             should
             be
             repeated
             or
             read
             out
             of
             a
             prayer
             booke
             .
             For
             if
             it
             had
             ,
             they
             would
             have
             given
             commandment
             to
             the
             Churches
             for
             the
             practice
             thereof
             :
          
           
             4.
             
             Reading
             of
             prayer
             in
             the
             act
             of
             prayer
             ,
             is
             directly
             contrary
             to
             that
             act
             and
             nature
             of
             prayer
             ;
             For
             in
             prayer
             we
             doe
             poure
             out
             matter
             :
             to
             weet
             ,
             the
             holy
             conceptions
             of
             our
             minde
             ,
             from
             within
             to
             without
             :
             that
             is
             from
             the
             heart
             to
             God
             .
             On
             the
             contrarie
             in
             reading
             we
             doe
             receive
             and
             admitt
             matter
             from
             without
             to
             within
             ;
             that
             is
             from
             the
             booke
             into
             our
             heart
             ;
             
               Ergo
               ,
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             5.
             
             The
             stinted
             and
             devised
             formes
             doe
             
               quench
               the
               spirit
               of
               prayer
               ,
            
             and
             this
             appeares
             in
             that
             men
             are
             so
             strictly
             tyed
             unto
             them
             as
             till
             they
             stint
             be
             out
             the
             spirit
             which
             the
             Lord
             gives
             his
             children
             ,
             may
             not
             suggest
             one
             thought
             or
             word
             otherwise
             ;
             Neither
             when
             that
             is
             out
             any
             more
             ,
             then
             what
             next
             
             followes
             ,
             in
             the
             prescribed
             prayers
             ;
             and
             this
             is
             contrary
             to
             1
             
               Cor.
            
             12
             ,
             7.
             
          
           
             6.
             
             We
             finde
             it
             promised
             ,
             that
             under
             the
             Gospell
             the
             spirit
             should
             be
             plentifully
             poured
             out
             ,
             which
             he
             dayly
             graciously
             performeth
             in
             furnishing
             his
             children
             with
             spiritual
             gifts
             ,
             who
             accordinglie
             pray
             (
             or
             at
             least
             all
             may
             )
             not
             with
             prescript
             words
             ,
             but
             with
             such
             as
             the
             spirit
             gives
             them
             utterance
             ,
             God
             preparing
             their
             heart
             ,
             and
             bending
             his
             eare
             .
          
           
             7.
             
             The
             truth
             brings
             forth
             no
             absurditie
             ;
             but
             this
             doth
             ;
             
             For
             Example
             ,
             
               the
               spirit
            
             sayth
             the
             Apostle
             (
             speaking
             of
             all
             Christians
             )
             
               helpeth
               our
               infirmities
               ,
               for
               we
               know
               not
               what
               to
               pray
               as
               we
               ought
            
             :
             Yes
             
               Paul
            
             with
             your
             leave
             right
             well
             ,
             for
             we
             have
             in
             our
             Leiturgie
             what
             wee
             ought
             to
             pray
             word
             for
             word
             ;
             and
             these
             things
             we
             can
             aske
             whether
             the
             spirit
             be
             present
             or
             no
             .
          
           
             8.
             
             As
             it
             were
             a
             ridiculous
             thing
             for
             a
             Child
             ,
             when
             he
             should
             aske
             of
             his
             Father
             bread
             ,
             fish
             ,
             or
             any
             other
             thing
             ,
             to
             read
             it
             to
             him
             out
             of
             a
             paper
             ;
             So
             is
             it
             ,
             for
             the
             Children
             of
             God
             ,
             to
             read
             unto
             God
             their
             Requests
             ,
             even
             a
             most
             foolish
             and
             riduculous
             thing
             .
          
           
           
             9.
             
             As
             the
             reasons
             published
             to
             the
             world
             ,
             against
             the
             reading
             of
             the
             Apocrypha
             bookes
             in
             Churches
             ,
             will
             serve
             as
             much
             and
             as
             well
             to
             condemne
             all
             devised
             and
             imposed
             formes
             of
             prayer
             ;
             So
             likewise
             the
             arguments
             brought
             against
             kneeling
             before
             the
             bread
             and
             wine
             in
             the
             act
             of
             receiving
             ,
             will
             prove
             that
             to
             fall
             downe
             before
             the
             common
             prayer
             booke
             ,
             is
             every
             way
             as
             superstitious
             &
             sinfull
             a
             thing
             .
             And
             so
             much
             the
             reader
             shall
             finde
             certaine
             ,
             if
             he
             will
             indifferently
             compare
             the
             things
             together
             .
          
           
             FINIS
             .
          
        
         
      
    
     
       
         Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
         
           Notes for div A02199e-350
           
             
               Rom.
            
             8.26
             
               Gal
            
             4.6
             
               2.
               cor.
            
             4.13
             
          
           
             
               Psalm
               .
            
             51
             ,
             17
             
          
           
             
               Psalm
               .
            
             42
             ,
             &
             43.
             
          
           
             I.
             
               Sam.
            
             1
             17
             
          
           
             
               Psal.
            
             119
             
          
           
             
               Rev.
            
             2.
             11.
             
          
           
             1
             Tim.
             3.
             15.
             
          
           
             Other
             foundatiō
             can
             no
             mā
             laye
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           
             Gal.
             3.
             15
             
             Heb.
             2
             ▪
             3
             4.
             
             &
             9.
             14
             
             Mat.
             5.
             18.
             2
             Timot.
             3
             15.
             16.
             17
             
             Rev.
             22.
             18.
             19.
             
          
           
             2.
             Pet.
             1.
             20.
             1
             Cor.
             12
             7.
             
          
           
             
               Iam.
            
             4.14
             .
          
           
             
               Rom
            
             8.7
             .
             and
             11
             34.1
             
               Cor.
            
             2.16
             .
             &
             3.19
             .
          
           
             1
             Tim.
             4.
             5.
             
             Act.
             16.13.13
             
          
           
             
               Tim.
            
             2.1
             34
             5.
             
          
           
             
               Gal.
            
             1.8.9
             
               Rev.
            
             22.18.19.2
             
               Tim.
            
             1.13
             ,
             1
             
               Tim.
            
             6
             ▪
             14
             
          
           
             1
             
               Cor
            
             2.16
             .
             
               and
               .
            
             2
             ▪
             20.
             
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Barrowes
               refutation
               discovery
               ,
               etc.
               
            
          
           
             
               Rev.
            
             24
             ,
             9
             10.11.12
             
          
           
             
               Esa.
            
             52.11
             .
             
               Ierem.
            
             51
             6
             ,
             45.
             
          
           
             
               Mat.
            
             116
             
          
           
             
               Rom.
            
             8.26
             .