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             Notes on Mr. F.D.'s Result of a dialogue concerning the middle state of souls in a letter from Thomas White.
             White, Thomas, 1593-1676.
          
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             1660.
          
           
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           Franciscus a Sancta Clara, 1598-1680. -- Result of a dialogue concerning a middle state of souls.
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           NOTES
           ON
           Mr.
           
             F.
             D's
          
           RESULT
           Of
           a
           Dialogue
           concerning
           the
           MIDDLE
           STATE
           OF
           SOULS
           :
           In
           a
           LETTER
           from
           
             Thomas
             White
          
           Gent.
           
        
         
           PARIS
           MCDLX
           .
        
      
    
     
       
       
       
         
           To
           his
           much
           esteemed
           Friend
           Mr.
           
             F.
             D.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ever
             honoured
             Sir
             ,
          
        
         
           FOR
           such
           both
           your
           Prudence
           and
           Learning
           have
           made
           you
           to
           me
           ,
           and
           specially
           your
           rich
           Systeme
           ,
           the
           citing
           whereof
           in
           this
           your
           
             Result
             ,
          
           gave
           me
           full
           notice
           of
           your
           Person
           ,
           though
           many
           good
           passages
           in
           your
           Book
           did
           partly
           interpret
           to
           me
           the
           fairly
           prognosticating
           Ciphers
           of
           your
           Name
           in
           the
           Frontispiece
           .
           I
           am
           glad
           to
           encounter
           an
           adversary
           who
           knows
           what
           Divinity
           is
           ,
           and
           can
           in
           due
           proportion
           mingle
           together
           subtilty
           with
           civility
           .
           Therefore
           I
           also
           intend
           to
           my
           power
           ,
           to
           joyn
           the
           satisfaction
           I
           am
           able
           to
           offer
           you
           with
           the
           respect
           your
           grave
           carriage
           of
           the
           controversy
           deserves
           ,
           being
           really
           perswaded
           it
           
           was
           no
           interest
           nor
           passion
           moved
           you
           to
           write
           ,
           nor
           vain
           glory
           to
           put
           it
           in
           print
           ,
           
             but
             the
             intreaty
             of
             such
             who
             may
             command
             ,
          
           as
           you
           ingeniously
           express
           your self
           ;
           and
           a
           cordial
           perswasion
           of
           the
           truth
           of
           your
           Tenet
           .
        
         
           To
           begin
           then
           with
           your
           Preface
           ,
           give
           me
           leave
           to
           advertise
           you
           of
           a
           mistake
           (
           as
           I
           think
           )
           in
           the
           word
           
             Aristophanes
             ,
          
           which
           I
           will
           courteously
           hope
           ,
           you
           conceive
           imports
           no
           more
           then
           a
           Divulger
           of
           high
           and
           mysterious
           truths
           among
           people
           uncapable
           of
           such
           Doctrins
           ,
           for
           so
           your
           following
           discourse
           intimates
           .
           But
           because
           
             Aristophanes
          
           did
           it
           with
           Flouts
           and
           Jeers
           (
           for
           which
           the
           sect
           of
           Poets
           whose
           writings
           were
           called
           
             Comaedia
             prisca
          
           was
           silenced
           )
           some
           Readers
           may
           possibly
           interpret
           you
           to
           cast
           a
           blemish
           on
           a
           Person
           ,
           whose
           true
           worth
           and
           vertue
           as
           much
           secures
           him
           from
           deserving
           it
           ,
           as
           your
           discreet
           and
           friendly
           nature
           can
           restrain
           you
           from
           meaning
           it
           .
        
         
           Afterward
           you
           add
           that
           the
           Gentleman
           who
           rendred
           that
           Treatise
           into
           English
           ,
           was
           
             instrumental
             of
             great
             scandal
             .
          
           You
           are
           not
           ignorant
           that
           scandals
           must
           come
           ;
           nor
           am
           I
           ,
           that
           woe
           be
           to
           him
           by
           whom
           they
           come
           .
           But
           both
           you
           and
           I
           are
           bound
           to
           
           understand
           those
           words
           with
           this
           necessary
           caution
           ,
           by
           whose
           
             fault
             ,
          
           no●
           by
           whose
           
             act
          
           they
           come
           .
           Else
           even
           our
           Blessed
           Saviour
           himself
           was
           an
           occasion
           of
           scandal
           ;
           but
           such
           ,
           as
           woe
           be
           unto
           them
           who
           are
           scandaliz'd
           in
           Him
           .
           The
           Quality
           therefore
           of
           the
           cause
           ,
           not
           the
           effect
           is
           chiefly
           to
           be
           examin'd
           ere
           we
           charge
           on
           any
           so
           foul
           an
           imputation
           .
           Turn
           then
           your
           impartiall
           eyes
           on
           the
           two
           sides
           of
           the
           Controversy
           ,
           and
           see
           the
           great
           and
           many
           inconveniences
           visible
           and
           sensible
           that
           grow
           upon
           the
           Church
           ,
           in
           case
           the
           Affirmative
           which
           you
           sustain
           ,
           be
           false
           .
        
         
           You
           are
           not
           one
           ,
           I
           'm
           sure
           ,
           who
           think
           Priests
           cannot
           be
           too
           many
           ,
           but
           wisely
           judg
           their
           number
           well
           contriv'd
           ,
           when
           the
           ends
           they
           are
           ordain'd
           for
           are
           fully
           comply'd
           with
           :
           so
           that
           the
           Church
           be
           neither
           over-charg'd
           by
           the
           multitude
           ,
           nor
           unprovided
           by
           the
           paucity
           of
           her
           spiritual
           Governours
           .
           Consider
           the
           dignity
           of
           the
           Office
           ,
           and
           the
           difficulty
           of
           observing
           its
           Obligations
           ,
           and
           you
           wil
           soon
           discover
           't
           is
           too
           high
           and
           perfect
           a
           Calling
           for
           a
           multitude
           .
           Consider
           the
           mischief
           if
           the
           unworthy
           Priests
           (
           of
           which
           some
           few
           I
           confess
           must
           still
           be
           tolerated
           while
           we
           live
           in
           this
           World
           of
           flesh
           and
           blood
           )
           bear
           any
           notable
           
           proportion
           to
           the
           number
           of
           the
           worthy
           ones
           ,
           how
           the
           sacredst
           Profession
           on
           Earth
           is
           under-valued
           ,
           their
           Sermons
           inefficacious
           ,
           their
           Sacraments
           neglected
           ,
           and
           the
           whole
           life
           and
           vigour
           of
           Christianity
           extenuated
           and
           endanger'd
           .
           Consider
           what
           a
           vast
           crowd
           of
           young
           Scholars
           thrust
           themselves
           into
           these
           holy
           Orders
           by
           occasion
           of
           getting
           Souls
           
             suddenly
          
           out
           of
           Purgatory
           ;
           to
           which
           they
           often
           think
           themselves
           sufficiently
           qualified
           with
           a
           very
           mean
           degree
           ,
           God
           knows
           ,
           of
           Vertue
           or
           Learning
           .
        
         
           Consider
           how
           apt
           this
           opinion
           is
           to
           breed
           in
           all
           the
           World
           a
           neglect
           of
           venial
           sins
           when
           they
           shall
           be
           taught
           that
           a
           Mass
           or
           two
           ,
           or
           a
           few
           prayers
           put
           a
           period
           to
           all
           their
           pains
           they
           can
           fear
           in
           Purgatory
           .
           And
           ,
           as
           for
           mortal
           sins
           ,
           even
           they
           also
           will
           find
           too
           much
           encouragement
           from
           so
           slack
           a
           Discipline
           .
           T
           is
           but
           being
           afraid
           of
           Hell
           ;
           and
           upon
           that
           ,
           receiving
           Absolution
           ;
           and
           then
           ,
           procuring
           some
           devotions
           (
           especially
           if
           in
           a
           proper
           place
           )
           and
           the
           Soul
           that
           has
           lived
           its
           whole
           life
           in
           folly
           and
           worse
           ,
           is
           instantly
           taken
           up
           into
           all
           the
           glories
           of
           Paradise
           .
           What
           can
           more
           dangerously
           weaken
           if
           not
           quite
           abolish
           that
           best
           and
           onely
           immediate
           disposition
           of
           
           our
           Souls
           for
           Heaven
           ,
           the
           hearty
           love
           of
           God
           above
           all
           things
           ?
           what
           can
           be
           possibly
           more
           prejudiciall
           to
           them
           that
           are
           in
           the
           Church
           ,
           or
           more
           scandalous
           to
           them
           that
           are
           out
           of
           it
           ?
        
         
           Consider
           farther
           ,
           how
           widows
           and
           poor
           folks
           defraud
           their
           children
           and
           Parents
           of
           such
           helps
           as
           else
           they
           could
           afford
           them
           ,
           did
           not
           the
           eager
           hope
           of
           a
           hasty
           release
           from
           those
           dreadfull
           pains
           ,
           divert
           their
           charities
           another
           way
           .
           And
           truly
           in
           my
           conceit
           ,
           with
           a
           great
           deal
           of
           reason
           ,
           if
           your
           opinion
           be
           the
           right
           :
           for
           who
           to
           deliver
           himself
           from
           the
           rack
           ,
           would
           not
           think
           it
           fit
           ,
           his
           friends
           ,
           how
           near
           soever
           ,
           should
           suffer
           a
           little
           hunger
           ?
           or
           who
           ,
           that
           believes
           your
           tenet
           ,
           is
           not
           bound
           ,
           in
           true
           and
           wise
           charity
           to
           purchase
           at
           any
           rate
           ,
           even
           with
           the
           disinheriting
           his
           posterity
           ,
           so
           great
           a
           happiness
           to
           his
           own
           Soul
           as
           the
           enjoyment
           of
           Heaven
           within
           a
           day
           or
           week
           after
           his
           departure
           from
           hence
           ?
           nay
           ,
           more
           ,
           what
           heir
           is
           not
           oblig'd
           in
           duty
           to
           give
           away
           the
           vain
           riches
           of
           this
           transitory
           world
           to
           gain
           so
           speedy
           an
           Eternity
           for
           his
           Father
           ,
           whose
           over-loving
           him
           perhaps
           made
           him
           need
           it
           ?
        
         
           Add
           to
           this
           ,
           the
           unedifying
           imputation
           of
           Avarice
           and
           Fraud
           upon
           such
           as
           gain
           by
           
           these
           offices
           (
           and
           I
           pray
           God
           it
           be
           without
           just
           cause
           ;
           )
           while
           they
           promise
           far
           more
           then
           they
           know
           they
           can
           perform
           .
           The
           words
           they
           expose
           to
           the
           people
           on
           the
           faces
           of
           their
           Churches
           and
           Altars
           speak
           roundly
           ,
           like
           fair
           Chap-men
           ,
           
             let
             a
             Mass
             be
             said
             and
             the
             Soul
             of
             your
             friend
             Shall
             be
             deliver'd
          
           ;
           or
           ,
           to
           that
           effect
           :
           and
           who
           can
           be
           uncharitable
           enough
           ,
           or
           such
           a
           silly
           Merchant
           as
           not
           to
           disburse
           a
           little
           to
           procure
           so
           great
           a
           benefit
           at
           so
           cheap
           a
           rate
           ?
           but
           when
           you
           come
           to
           examin
           the
           performance
           on
           their
           side
           ,
           it
           amounts
           to
           no
           more
           then
           this
           short
           payment
           ;
           They
           have
           offer'd
           up
           their
           prayers
           for
           you
           ,
           and
           must
           leave
           the
           success
           to
           Gods
           mercy
           ,
           and
           this
           is
           well
           ,
           and
           the
           truth
           ;
           but
           why
           then
           did
           you
           tell
           them
           ,
           when
           you
           took
           their
           mony
           ,
           that
           their
           friend
           should
           be
           deliver'd
           ,
           in
           what
           Court
           would
           so
           fraudulent
           a
           Plea
           be
           allowed
           ?
           If
           you
           will
           expresly
           undertake
           ,
           for
           my
           ten
           or
           twenty
           pounds
           which
           I
           really
           give
           you
           to
           pay
           my
           debts
           and
           free
           me
           out
           of
           prison
           ;
           and
           when
           I
           look
           for
           Effects
           as
           reall
           as
           my
           mony
           ,
           you
           put
           me
           off
           with
           this
           cold
           comfort
           ,
           that
           you
           have
           intreated
           for
           me
           ,
           but
           must
           leave
           the
           decision
           of
           the
           cause
           to
           the
           sentence
           of
           the
           Judg.
           
           May
           I
           not
           expect
           you
           should
           shew
           
           me
           at
           least
           some
           assurance
           from
           the
           Judg
           himself
           ,
           that
           he
           wil
           effectually
           release
           me
           ?
           &
           that
           within
           the
           time
           you
           made
           me
           believe
           ,
           when
           I
           parted
           with
           my
           mony
           ?
           and
           may
           I
           not
           ,
           if
           you
           fail
           in
           that
           ,
           charge
           you
           with
           deceiving
           me
           ?
           Is
           not
           this
           case
           a
           little
           too
           near
           that
           unhappy
           scandal
           on
           which
           
             Luther
          
           took
           so
           fast
           hold
           that
           he
           pull'd
           down
           the
           Churches
           of
           whole
           Provinces
           by
           it
           ?
           What
           shall
           I
           say
           of
           the
           averting
           men
           from
           cultivating
           the
           inward
           affections
           of
           their
           hearts
           ,
           in
           which
           the
           Kingdom
           of
           God
           resides
           ,
           to
           the
           too
           much
           relying
           on
           works
           done
           by
           others
           ?
           what
           of
           the
           laying
           even
           to
           Gods
           own
           charge
           as
           it
           were
           a
           kind
           of
           Simony
           ,
           such
           practises
           being
           easily
           interpretable
           to
           a
           bad
           sence
           as
           if
           he
           dispensed
           his
           spirituall
           goods
           with
           a
           respect
           to
           the
           quantity
           of
           what
           is
           given
           ,
           and
           that
           the
           poor
           Widows
           mite
           cannot
           have
           so
           great
           an
           effect
           as
           a
           Dives's
           talent
           .
           And
           though
           much
           of
           what
           I
           now
           am
           discoursing
           be
           chiefly
           applyable
           to
           Priviledg'd
           Altars
           and
           Scapulars
           ,
           and
           such
           like
           abus'd
           devotions
           ,
           yet
           is
           it
           in
           a
           degree
           true
           of
           those
           who
           to
           invite
           Customers
           boldly
           assure
           them
           if
           they
           shall
           procure
           so
           many
           Masses
           ,
           of
           a
           very
           delivery
           ;
           quick
           ,
           though
           not
           determinately
           known
           .
           But
           suppose
           the
           Affirmative
           of
           intermedial
           
           Release
           be
           in
           it self
           true
           ;
           yet
           how
           does
           it
           appear
           to
           us
           ?
           the
           effects
           concern
           not
           any
           living
           person
           ,
           but
           are
           altogether
           invisible
           and
           out
           of
           our
           reach
           ;
           which
           till
           they
           are
           sufficiently
           evidenced
           to
           us
           ,
           must
           needs
           be
           uncertain
           to
           us
           ,
           and
           so
           continually
           disputable
           ,
           if
           not
           improbable
           ,
           whose
           settlement
           must
           depend
           on
           the
           determination
           of
           this
           Question
           ,
           before
           which
           final
           decision
           't
           is
           not
           improper
           that
           Scholars
           try
           their
           utmost
           endeavours
           ,
           to
           examin
           and
           prepare
           both
           sides
           for
           discovery
           of
           the
           truth
           .
           Nor
           is
           it
           in
           the
           least
           my
           intention
           to
           charge
           the
           Church
           with
           any
           of
           these
           irregularities
           ;
           but
           onely
           to
           refute
           the
           errours
           ,
           and
           reprove
           the
           abuses
           of
           particular
           persons
           ;
           wherein
           I
           have
           the
           sure
           warrant
           of
           the
           Council
           of
           
             Trent
             ,
          
           which
           while
           it
           forbids
           such
           incertain
           Doctrins
           ,
           commands
           to
           oppose
           them
           that
           preach'em
           .
        
         
           These
           and
           many
           other
           such
           observations
           (
           of
           which
           no
           subject
           ,
           that
           I
           know
           ,
           more
           plentifull
           )
           well
           consider'd
           ;
           permit
           the
           Ingenious
           Gentleman
           to
           think
           the
           rescuing
           Ladies
           devotions
           from
           slight
           and
           hazardous
           practises
           to
           solid
           and
           assured
           pieties
           ,
           judiciously
           preferrable
           to
           the
           small
           and
           short
           dissentions
           that
           possibly
           may
           spring
           out
           of
           the
           more
           generall
           divulging
           
           such
           discourses
           :
           Nor
           did
           he
           this
           ,
           till
           the
           loud
           and
           many
           clamours
           of
           some
           busy
           heads
           against
           the
           Opinion
           ,
           while
           it
           lay
           close
           wrapt
           up
           in
           its
           native
           dark
           Latin
           ,
           render'd
           the
           Translation
           ,
           in
           his
           judgment
           ,
           absolutely
           necessary
           .
           For
           the
           Latin
           Book
           I
           am
           to
           answer
           ;
           for
           the
           English
           ,
           they
           who
           talk
           so
           much
           in
           English
           against
           it
           ,
           and
           ,
           were
           the
           People
           such
           as
           they
           should
           be
           ,
           those
           kind
           of
           Controversies
           might
           easily
           be
           managed
           without
           any
           breach
           of
           charity
           at
           all
           ,
           or
           the
           least
           diminution
           of
           their
           mutuall
           correspondence
           ;
           it
           being
           our
           duty
           as
           in
           matters
           of
           Faith
           to
           be
           zealous
           and
           exactly
           uniform
           ,
           so
           in
           other
           debates
           to
           be
           temperate
           and
           prudently
           condescending
           .
           Let
           every
           one
           but
           seriously
           read
           the
           13
           Page
           of
           your
           
             Result
             ,
          
           and
           I
           doubt
           not
           they
           will
           proceed
           in
           this
           point
           as
           calmly
           and
           warily
           as
           you
           do
           .
           There
           you
           tell
           us
           ,
           
             that
             some
             things
             have
             been
             deliver'd
             to
             posterity
             in
             the
             Church
             which
             could
             never
             obtain
             more
             authority
             then
             Opinion
             ,
             as
             is
             made
             evident
             in
             your
             System
             ,
             even
             in
             grave
             Subjects
             :
             but
             how
             to
             distinguish
             such
             from
             Doctrins
             of
             a
             higher
             nature
             ,
             in
             case
             Holy
             Church
             did
             not
             convey
             clearly
             their
             qualification
             with
             them
             as
             in
             some
             cases
             evidently
             It
             did
             ,
             and
             in
             some
             cases
             It
             did
             not
             ,
             as
             there
             you
             give
             Instances
             ;
             
             then
             the
             onely
             way
             is
             to
             return
             to
          
           General
           Councils
           ,
           
             that
             they
             according
             to
             their
             Office
             may
          
           Conquisitione
           facta
           ,
           
             after
             the
             Example
             of
             the
             Apostles
             ,
          
           juridically
           
             appoint
             to
             each
             their
             Seats
             ,
             where
             all
             must
             acquiesce
             .
          
           Thus
           you
           ;
           and
           excellently
           well
           :
           and
           to
           this
           Tryall
           I
           freely
           submit
           all
           my
           Opinions
           ,
           how
           evident
           soever
           they
           may
           appear
           to
           my self
           .
           You
           cite
           not
           the
           particular
           place
           ,
           and
           I
           happend
           to
           light
           on
           one
           which
           treated
           such
           businesses
           ,
           and
           finding
           it
           very
           proper
           I
           contented
           my self
           ,
           and
           't
           is
           
             System
             c.
          
           32.
           
             p.
          
           335.
           
             &c.
          
           where
           ,
           (
           as
           indeed
           all
           over
           that
           Book
           ,
           it
           being
           a
           Magazine
           of
           curious
           Questions
           and
           Antiquities
           )
           I
           met
           with
           some
           instances
           ,
           which
           as
           they
           satisfy'd
           me
           ,
           will
           I
           hope
           ,
           if
           diligently
           perus'd
           ,
           content
           my
           Reader
           too
           ,
           there
           he
           should
           see
           collected
           together
           ,
           not
           onely
           universall
           Catholick
           Perswasions
           ,
           but
           some
           Conciliary
           Definitions
           unallow'd
           by
           Divines
           to
           be
           Points
           of
           Faith
           .
           But
           you
           say
           ,
           this
           Point
           is
           not
           among
           'em
           ,
           and
           I
           say
           as
           tender
           Points
           as
           this
           ,
           are
           among
           'em
           ;
           What
           think
           you
           of
           the
           Assumption
           of
           our
           Lady
           ?
           What
           of
           the
           Spirituality
           of
           Angels
           ?
           this
           ,
           embrac'd
           by
           all
           Scholars
           ;
           that
           ,
           by
           all
           People
           .
           Besides
           ,
           do
           you
           not
           there
           your self
           acknowledge
           that
           very
           many
           
           
             Orthodox
          
           Divines
           hold
           ,
           though
           all
           the
           Fathers
           admit
           this
           or
           that
           Point
           ,
           it
           does
           not
           follow
           ,
           we
           should
           presently
           pronounce
           it
           
             of
             faith
          
           ;
           and
           this
           ,
           even
           when
           the
           matter
           is
           of
           weight
           and
           consequence
           .
           To
           conclude
           this
           introduction
           ,
           I
           shall
           take
           leave
           to
           transcribe
           out
           of
           the
           same
           Place
           onely
           these
           few
           sayings
           ,
           recommending
           them
           to
           the
           serious
           Consideration
           of
           the
           passionate
           and
           byassed
           Reader
           .
           The
           first
           shall
           be
           that
           of
           
             Bellarmin
             ;
             In
             Consiliis
             maxima
             pars
             Actorum
             ad
             Fidem
             non
             pertinet
             ,
             sed
             tantum
             ipsa
             nuda
             Decreta
             ,
             &
             ea
             non
             omnia
             ,
             sed
             tantum
             quae
             proponuntur
             tanquam
             de
             fide
             .
          
           Another
           ,
           of
           Innocent
           the
           third
           ,
           
             Judicium
             Ecclesiae
             nonnunquam
             opinionem
             sequitur
             quam
             &
             fallere
             saepe
             continget
             &
             falli
             .
          
           The
           third
           ,
           of
           Saint
           
             Aug.
             Sentiat
             quisque
             quod
             libet
             tantum
             contra
             Apostolicam
             manifestissimam
             Fidem
             non
             sentiat
             .
          
           And
           now
           Sir
           ,
           me thinks
           the
           Question
           betwixt
           you
           and
           me
           is
           reduced
           to
           so
           narrow
           a
           compass
           ,
           that
           we
           may
           see
           it
           all
           with
           one
           prospect
           ,
           and
           hope
           by
           that
           means
           to
           see
           it
           well
           ;
           whereas
           ,
           they
           that
           spread
           their
           view
           wildly
           at
           too
           much
           at
           once
           ,
           have
           many
           things
           before
           their
           eyes
           ,
           but
           nothing
           in
           their
           sight
           .
        
         
         
           
             Notes
             on
             the
             first
             Chapter
             .
          
           
             YOur
             first
             Chapter
             did
             somewhat
             surprise
             me
             ,
             for
             being
             used
             to
             expect
             in
             your
             writings
             ,
             Authorities
             express
             and
             driven
             home
             ,
             I
             was
             amazed
             to
             find
             the
             main
             question
             of
             your
             work
             ,
             past
             slightly
             over
             with
             a
             generall
             assertion
             that
             the
             Fathers
             say
             what
             you
             intend
             ,
             without
             directly
             producing
             Testimonies
             of
             sufficient
             either
             weight
             or
             number
             to
             evince
             your
             position
             .
             The
             Council
             of
             
               Florence
            
             I
             have
             taken
             notice
             of
             sufficiently
             in
             my
             answer
             to
             the
             Vindicator
             ,
             which
             I
             shall
             endeavour
             to
             get
             presented
             to
             you
             .
             The
             Result
             of
             my
             discourse
             there
             in
             short
             ,
             is
             that
             I
             acknowledg
             all
             the
             
               Council
               and
            
             Pope
             assert
             ,
             and
             shew
             they
             do
             not
             affirm
             what
             you
             pretend
             .
          
           
             Your
             onely
             Testimony
             out
             of
             Saint
             
               John
               Damascen
            
             perplexed
             me
             ,
             for
             I
             know
             your
             goodness
             so
             great
             ,
             that
             you
             would
             not
             wittingly
             impose
             upon
             your
             Auditory
             ,
             and
             esteemed
             your
             Criticism
             in
             Fathers
             so
             exact
             ,
             that
             you
             would
             not
             permit
             such
             a
             
             notable
             mistake
             to
             gain
             credit
             upon
             you
             :
             How
             then
             happens
             it
             that
             you
             so
             confidently
             cite
             an
             Oration
             of
             Saint
             
               John
               Damascen
               ,
            
             which
             Catholicks
             either
             doubt
             not
             to
             be
             his
             ,
             or
             make
             a
             shamefull
             excuse
             for
             writing
             it
             ,
             saying
             he
             was
             too
             credulous
             to
             fabulous
             narrations
             ?
             In
             it
             are
             recorded
             the
             famous
             tales
             of
             
               Trajan
            
             and
             
               Falconilla
               ,
            
             saved
             from
             Hell
             by
             the
             prayers
             of
             Saint
             
               Gregory
            
             and
             Saint
             
               Thecla
               .
            
             There
             is
             the
             monstrous
             story
             which
             you
             are
             pleased
             to
             recount
             to
             your
             Readers
             of
             an
             Heathens
             scull
             that
             told
             a
             good
             Eremite
             they
             received
             some
             comfort
             when
             they
             were
             pray'd
             for
             .
             Which
             story
             is
             taken
             either
             out
             of
             
               Palladius
            
             his
             
               Historia
               Lausiaca
               ,
            
             or
             else
             
               Evagrius
            
             his
             
               Vitae
               Patrum
               ,
            
             of
             which
             Saint
             
               Hierom
            
             testifies
             onely
             the
             first
             life
             to
             be
             true
             ,
             and
             even
             in
             it
             ,
             is
             that
             notorious
             Romance
             of
             
               Macarius
               Romanus
               .
            
             And
             of
             the
             former
             ,
             the
             same
             Saint
             
               Hierom
            
             testifies
             he
             was
             an
             Origenist
             :
             wherefore
             the
             Authour
             of
             this
             Oration
             attributed
             to
             St.
             
               John
               Damascen
            
             is
             justly
             fear'd
             to
             have
             himself
             also
             been
             one
             ,
             seeing
             his
             fine
             stories
             aym
             at
             the
             comfort
             of
             the
             damned
             .
             Besides
             ,
             our
             Criticks
             tell
             us
             this
             story
             is
             imposed
             on
             the
             great
             Saint
             
               Macarius
               ,
            
             being
             originally
             written
             of
             another
             of
             the
             
             same
             name
             ,
             and
             the
             Oratour
             adding
             that
             the
             answer
             was
             
               from
               God
               ,
            
             whereas
             the
             Original
             attributes
             it
             to
             the
             scull
             of
             a
             dead
             heathen
             Priest
             ,
             and
             so
             far
             likelier
             came
             from
             the
             Devil
             .
          
           
             All
             the
             rest
             you
             say
             in
             this
             Chapter
             is
             just
             the
             Doctrin
             of
             your
             Epistolar
             Antagonist
             as
             far
             as
             you
             let
             us
             understand
             his
             mind
             and
             mine
             too
             ;
             to
             wit
             ,
             that
             
               to
               deny
               prayers
               profit
               the
               dead
               cometh
               from
               the
               Devil
               .
            
             The
             general
             resistence
             you
             plead
             against
             this
             Doctrin
             of
             Souls
             continuance
             in
             Purgatory
             ,
             finds
             a
             parallel
             in
             all
             popular
             perswasions
             how
             weakly
             grounded
             soever
             ,
             which
             none
             but
             discreet
             persons
             can
             endure
             to
             hear
             opposed
             ;
             And
             for
             the
             answer
             I
             intreat
             your
             pardon
             ,
             if
             I
             remit
             you
             to
             my
             late
             Reply
             to
             the
             Vindicator
             .
             For
             the
             rest
             you
             seem
             to
             press
             us
             that
             we
             must
             take
             your
             sence
             of
             the
             Fathers
             and
             Councils
             ,
             telling
             us
             it
             is
             the
             onely
             ingenious
             one
             ,
             and
             others
             are
             but
             extorted
             meanings
             .
             Truly
             I
             believe
             you
             speak
             what
             you
             think
             ,
             but
             I
             desire
             you
             ,
             think
             what
             you
             speak
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             examin
             it
             well
             ,
             for
             I
             believe
             your
             thinking
             is
             bred
             
               ex
               consuetudine
               videndi
            
             ;
             your
             education
             hath
             been
             amongst
             them
             who
             dayly
             practis'd
             it
             ;
             you
             hear
             the
             Bells
             ever
             ringing
             to
             such
             devotions
             ;
             you
             
             see
             the
             custom
             spread
             over
             all
             the
             Western
             Church
             ,
             and
             do
             not
             lift
             up
             your
             eyes
             to
             the
             beginning
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             therefore
             you
             think
             it
             was
             ever
             so
             ,
             and
             that
             it
             is
             the
             sence
             of
             those
             great
             Authorities
             .
          
           
             But
             I
             cannot
             omit
             a
             by-word
             of
             yours
             ,
             that
             it
             
               is
               easie
               to
               elude
               the
               Fathers
               by
               the
               voluntary
               glosses
               of
               blasted
               Authors
               .
            
             Is
             this
             spoken
             like
             a
             Controvertist
             ?
             like
             a
             victorious
             and
             crowned
             Champion
             over
             Heretiques
             ,
             and
             that
             by
             weapons
             out
             of
             the
             Fathers
             ,
             as
             you
             are
             esteemed
             ,
             and
             worthily
             too
             ?
             When
             you
             bring
             Fathers
             against
             any
             of
             them
             ,
             do
             you
             profess
             they
             may
             be
             easily
             answer'd
             by
             blasted
             Authors
             ?
             Whence
             then
             comes
             it
             ,
             that
             in
             this
             Controversie
             you
             flie
             to
             an
             evasion
             so
             unprofitable
             to
             your self
             ,
             injurious
             to
             the
             Fathers
             ,
             and
             advantageous
             to
             the
             common
             Enemy
             ?
             but
             that
             you
             esteem
             the
             Fathers
             you
             bring
             come
             not
             home
             to
             the
             point
             ,
             and
             that
             they
             must
             be
             inched
             out
             by
             a
             pious
             affection
             ;
             whereof
             ,
             to
             tell
             you
             my
             mind
             ,
             I
             believe
             all
             speciousness
             of
             piety
             ,
             which
             prevents
             the
             understanding
             from
             being
             indifferent
             to
             judge
             of
             the
             truth
             ,
             is
             in
             very
             deed
             a
             piece
             of
             impiety
             and
             temerity
             .
             And
             in
             our
             present
             Controversie
             ,
             if
             the
             words
             of
             the
             Fathers
             by
             which
             they
             attribute
             purging
             
             of
             souls
             to
             the
             fire
             of
             Judgment
             be
             not
             beyond
             contest
             ,
             I
             will
             yeeld
             the
             whole
             cause
             :
             (
             Some
             I
             have
             cited
             in
             my
             Treatise
             ,
             and
             more
             I
             can
             cite
             ,
             if
             necessity
             requires
             ,
             )
             but
             if
             they
             be
             ,
             why
             is
             it
             not
             lawfull
             for
             me
             to
             alledge
             them
             ,
             though
             Heretiques
             make
             use
             of
             them
             for
             an
             evil
             end
             ?
             charge
             either
             the
             Fathers
             for
             writing
             so
             ,
             or
             the
             Heretiques
             for
             abusing
             them
             ;
             however
             I
             I
             am
             free
             .
          
        
         
           
             Notes
             on
             the
             second
             and
             third
             Chapters
             .
          
           
             THese
             2
             Chapters
             go
             without
             Proofs
             ,
             being
             as
             it
             were
             but
             inferences
             from
             the
             pretended
             Ones
             of
             the
             First
             ;
             and
             consequently
             their
             fate
             depends
             on
             the
             fortune
             of
             their
             Leaders
             ,
             which
             I
             hope
             I
             have
             already
             sufficiently
             disabled
             .
             Yet
             give
             me
             leave
             here
             to
             add
             one
             Caution
             that
             may
             accompany
             you
             in
             your
             journey
             to
             ask
             all
             the
             Catholick
             world
             ,
             whether
             they
             believe
             a
             Release
             of
             Souls
             out
             of
             Purgatory
             ordinarily
             obtainable
             before
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             as
             an
             Article
             of
             their
             faith
             ;
             or
             onely
             assent
             to
             it
             as
             a
             current
             truth
             ,
             which
             they
             
             never
             doubted
             ,
             nor
             ever
             examin'd
             .
             Should
             you
             proceed
             thus
             warily
             ,
             I
             believe
             your
             number
             would
             strangely
             diminish
             :
             how
             many
             think
             you
             would
             fall
             off
             ,
             as
             not
             conceiving
             themselves
             able
             to
             examin
             so
             hard
             a
             Question
             ?
             how
             many
             of
             the
             learned
             would
             confess
             ,
             the
             more
             they
             impartially
             consider
             it
             ,
             the
             more
             they
             discover
             reasons
             not
             to
             be
             too
             confident
             of
             its
             being
             a
             point
             of
             Faith
             :
             especially
             ,
             if
             they
             have
             the
             fortune
             to
             compare
             it
             with
             other
             common
             perswasions
             ,
             which
             themselves
             acknowledg
             Universal
             and
             ancient
             ,
             yet
             not
             of
             Faith
             ,
             as
             that
             of
             material
             fire
             now
             in
             Hell
             and
             Purgatory
             ,
             
               &c.
            
             how
             few
             then
             will
             the
             number
             of
             your
             Voters
             be
             ?
             set
             but
             aside
             all
             those
             who
             think
             there
             's
             literal
             fire
             there
             ,
             (
             which
             you
             are
             bound
             to
             do
             ,
             because
             they
             believe
             it
             cerraintly
             ,
             yet
             is
             it
             not
             of
             Faith
             )
             and
             presently
             your
             multitude
             in
             
               Spain
               ,
               Italy
               ,
               Turky
               ,
            
             and
             
               Soria
            
             ▪
             whither
             you
             went
             for
             witnesses
             ,
             will
             shrink
             into
             a
             slender
             and
             inconsiderable
             number
             .
          
           
             Whereas
             you
             add
             ,
             
               we
               never
               read
               in
               Scriptures
               ,
               Fathers
               ,
               or
               Councils
               ,
               that
               all
               those
               that
               go
               to
               Purgatory
               must
               necessarily
               be
               detaind
               there
               without
               any
               relief
               till
               the
               day
               of
               Judgment
               .
            
             I
             answer
             ,
             first
             ,
             't
             is
             but
             a
             negative
             Argument
             .
             Secondly
             ,
             It
             plainly
             
             agrees
             with
             my
             Opinion
             ,
             who
             hold
             them
             
               relieved
               there
            
             as
             well
             as
             you
             ,
             though
             I
             explicate
             my
             Tenet
             another
             way
             .
             Which
             here
             I
             intend
             in
             brief
             to
             shew
             you
             .
          
           
             Wherein
             ,
             that
             we
             may
             proceed
             more
             safely
             ,
             let
             us
             first
             see
             how
             far
             we
             agree
             ,
             and
             where
             we
             begin
             to
             differ
             .
             We
             agree
             that
             there
             is
             a
             Purgatory
             ;
             and
             that
             souls
             there
             detain'd
             ,
             are
             helpt
             or
             reliev'd
             by
             the
             prayers
             of
             the
             faithfull
             .
             We
             begin
             to
             differ
             ,
             in
             explicating
             what
             we
             conceive
             by
             relief
             ;
             and
             we
             wholy
             disagree
             in
             the
             
               time
            
             of
             ordinary
             deliverableness
             .
          
           
             Your
             conception
             of
             Relief
             ,
             I
             imagin
             ,
             is
             ,
             that
             when
             prayers
             are
             said
             for
             the
             departed
             ,
             their
             souls
             are
             really
             changed
             from
             the
             state
             of
             pains
             they
             were
             in
             before
             ,
             to
             one
             of
             a
             milder
             affliction
             ;
             where
             they
             must
             expect
             till
             some
             new
             cause
             raise
             them
             a
             step
             higher
             ;
             and
             so
             by
             degrees
             ,
             having
             past
             over
             all
             those
             steps
             ,
             are
             at
             last
             admitted
             into
             heaven
             ;
             your self
             will
             agree
             these
             words
             are
             metaphoricall
             ,
             and
             translated
             from
             our
             manner
             of
             speaking
             ;
             and
             I
             gather
             ,
             and
             conceive
             the
             sense
             too
             ,
             of
             these
             words
             ,
             is
             translated
             from
             our
             thinking
             ;
             and
             indeed
             ,
             if
             we
             mind
             our selves
             well
             ,
             we
             shall
             still
             find
             our
             words
             of
             the
             same
             piece
             with
             our
             notions
             :
             now
             we
             ,
             being
             conversant
             
             onely
             with
             our
             bodies
             ,
             frame
             all
             our
             notions
             after
             their
             measure
             ,
             and
             speak
             ,
             and
             think
             too
             ,
             generally
             ,
             of
             spirits
             ,
             and
             even
             of
             God
             himself
             ,
             as
             of
             things
             we
             daily
             commerce
             with
             .
             Do
             we
             not
             still
             fancy
             such
             motions
             ,
             changes
             ,
             and
             other
             operations
             among
             Angels
             as
             we
             see
             here
             among
             our selves
             ?
             Does
             not
             the
             very
             Scripture
             in
             condescendence
             to
             us
             ,
             use
             the
             same
             method
             ?
             In
             most
             of
             which
             cases
             ,
             both
             you
             and
             I
             are
             equally
             engaged
             to
             seek
             out
             a
             wiser
             meaning
             ,
             then
             appears
             in
             the
             naked
             expressions
             ;
             this
             task
             is
             common
             to
             all
             Divines
             to
             endeavour
             the
             verifying
             these
             phrases
             (
             so
             grosly
             absurd
             in
             their
             bare
             letter
             )
             by
             an
             explication
             that
             may
             strictly
             and
             rigorously
             maintain
             them
             to
             be
             true
             .
          
           
             The
             Spirits
             I
             shall
             treat
             of
             to
             this
             purpose
             ,
             are
             God
             ,
             the
             blessed
             in
             heaven
             ,
             and
             the
             souls
             in
             Purgatory
             .
             And
             to
             begin
             with
             God
             ,
             the
             beginning
             of
             all
             things
             ,
             what
             do
             we
             conceit
             of
             him
             ,
             when
             we
             read
             of
             his
             being
             angry
             ,
             and
             pleased
             ;
             his
             resolving
             to
             punish
             ,
             and
             afterwards
             repenting
             ;
             his
             having
             eyes
             and
             hands
             ;
             his
             going
             from
             place
             to
             place
             ;
             his
             abiding
             from
             generation
             to
             generation
             ;
             his
             seeing
             successively
             ,
             and
             decreeing
             conditionally
             ,
             and
             a
             thousand
             other
             instances
             ;
             all
             this
             Divines
             must
             ,
             and
             
             do
             find
             ways
             to
             verify
             of
             One
             simple
             and
             absolute
             unchangeable
             Essence
             ,
             whose
             being
             and
             knowing
             ,
             and
             willing
             ,
             is
             altogether
             ,
             without
             the
             least
             shadow
             of
             succession
             for
             ever
             .
             All
             this
             Divines
             will
             say
             ,
             was
             perfect
             in
             God
             from
             the
             first
             instant
             ,
             as
             I
             may
             call
             it
             ,
             of
             his
             Being
             ;
             that
             is
             ,
             from
             eternity
             ;
             and
             yet
             our
             condition
             obliges
             us
             to
             speak
             ,
             and
             even
             think
             of
             all
             this
             ,
             in
             a
             way
             infinitly
             below
             the
             severe
             truth
             ,
             though
             more
             or
             less
             approaching
             to
             it
             ,
             according
             to
             the
             pitch
             of
             our
             capacities
             .
          
           
             For
             Angels
             ,
             as
             we
             read
             many
             of
             the
             like
             passages
             concerning
             them
             ▪
             and
             their
             actions
             ;
             so
             the
             like
             explications
             (
             with
             observance
             of
             a
             due
             proportion
             betwixt
             the
             Creator
             and
             the
             creature
             )
             be
             applied
             to
             them
             .
             The
             Angels
             ,
             we
             know
             ,
             rejoyce
             at
             the
             conversion
             of
             a
             sinner
             ;
             and
             sure
             it
             were
             no
             blameable
             practice
             to
             allow
             for
             that
             joy
             some
             little
             share
             in
             our
             intention
             ;
             and
             perhaps
             to
             begin
             a
             particular
             devotion
             ,
             directed
             
               to
               the
               increase
               of
               joy
               in
               the
               Saints
               and
               Angels
               ,
            
             would
             be
             as
             laudable
             an
             invention
             as
             some
             that
             are
             highly
             commended
             .
             Every
             day
             new
             sinners
             are
             converted
             ;
             every
             day
             new
             joy
             is
             among
             the
             Angels
             for
             those
             conversions
             .
             How
             must
             we
             fairly
             reconcile
             the
             difficulties
             ?
             the
             Scriptures
             
             say
             they
             receive
             joy
             ,
             and
             Divinity
             sayes
             their
             nature
             is
             fixt
             :
             In
             our
             solemnest
             oblations
             we
             pray
             it
             may
             profit
             the
             Saints
             to
             glory
             :
             and
             our
             Doctors
             hold
             they
             are
             
               in
               termino
               ,
            
             and
             no
             longer
             in
             the
             
               Way
               .
            
             Can
             a
             change
             consist
             with
             fixture
             ?
             and
             a
             going
             on
             ,
             with
             being
             at
             the
             end
             ?
             in
             rigor
             we
             see
             it
             is
             impossible
             ,
             and
             therefore
             must
             cast
             about
             to
             find
             out
             the
             Riddle
             ,
             which
             is
             not
             so
             hard
             as
             we
             imagin
             ,
             if
             we
             take
             the
             right
             course
             to
             seek
             .
             First
             ,
             let
             us
             sever
             the
             parties
             :
             Scriptures
             and
             Liturgies
             are
             on
             one
             side
             ,
             Divines
             on
             the
             other
             .
             Were
             the
             question
             of
             the
             
               truth
               of
               the
               words
               ,
            
             without
             precisely
             determining
             the
             particular
             sense
             ,
             I
             should
             clearly
             follow
             the
             former
             :
             but
             if
             it
             be
             onely
             of
             the
             
               Propriety
               of
               their
               signification
               ,
               and
               what
               is
               severely
               verifiable
               of
               them
               ,
            
             I
             make
             no
             scruple
             to
             adhere
             to
             the
             later
             ;
             and
             this
             ,
             without
             the
             least
             diminution
             to
             the
             other
             .
             The
             authority
             of
             those
             ,
             I
             confess
             ,
             is
             more
             sacred
             and
             venerable
             :
             but
             the
             reasonings
             of
             these
             ,
             I
             cannot
             deny
             ,
             are
             more
             exact
             and
             artificiall
             ;
             each
             fittest
             for
             its
             peculiar
             office
             .
             Those
             undertake
             the
             instruction
             of
             the
             world
             ,
             and
             perform
             it
             according
             to
             the
             capacity
             of
             the
             persons
             they
             deal
             with
             ;
             these
             onely
             intend
             their
             notions
             for
             the
             Learned
             ,
             and
             
             their
             highest
             praise
             is
             ,
             to
             illustrate
             and
             fortifie
             and
             improve
             true
             Religion
             by
             true
             Reason
             .
          
           
             But
             ,
             to
             come
             neerer
             our
             particular
             question
             ;
             when
             we
             pray
             to
             Saints
             or
             Angels
             ,
             do
             we
             not
             hope
             we
             move
             them
             
               then
            
             to
             go
             make
             their
             addresses
             to
             God
             for
             us
             ,
             which
             they
             were
             not
             doing
             
               before
            
             ?
             do
             we
             not
             expect
             that
             
               at
               the
               time
            
             of
             our
             prayers
             to
             them
             ,
             they
             should
             entertain
             a
             
               new
               affection
            
             of
             charity
             to
             us
             ;
             and
             even
             ground
             our
             devotion
             on
             this
             expectance
             ?
             and
             wisely
             too
             ,
             till
             our
             understandings
             be
             elevated
             to
             more
             perfect
             apprehensions
             ;
             yet
             in
             a
             strict
             
               Examin
               ,
            
             all
             these
             our
             conceits
             are
             very
             unsuitable
             to
             what
             really
             passes
             among
             these
             pure
             spirits
             .
          
           
             Nor
             are
             we
             disappointed
             in
             the
             least
             of
             the
             fruit
             of
             our
             prayers
             ,
             though
             we
             never
             so
             much
             apprehend
             the
             manner
             either
             of
             their
             hearing
             us
             ,
             or
             interceding
             for
             us
             :
             which
             assurance
             ought
             to
             suffice
             the
             unlearned
             ;
             whose
             sincere
             devotion
             will
             infallibly
             save
             them
             without
             these
             subtilties
             :
             the
             more
             speculative
             heads
             will
             find
             ,
             if
             they
             search
             for
             it
             ,
             other
             satisfaction
             .
          
           
             To
             these
             inquiries
             ,
             perhaps
             this
             one
             consideration
             may
             give
             some
             assurance
             ;
             it
             is
             clear
             ,
             in
             God
             ,
             (
             as
             we
             said
             above
             )
             all
             is
             
             eternall
             ,
             and
             whatever
             we
             read
             or
             imagin
             as
             done
             successively
             in
             Him
             ,
             must
             be
             entirely
             verified
             of
             his
             first
             instant
             ,
             were
             there
             any
             such
             beginning
             of
             existence
             in
             his
             perfect
             eternity
             .
             Why
             may
             not
             the
             same
             be
             affirmed
             proportionally
             of
             Angels
             ,
             whose
             being
             ,
             though
             neither
             independent
             ,
             nor
             infinit
             ,
             yet
             is
             purely
             spirituall
             ,
             and
             their
             duration
             altogether
             ?
             and
             consequently
             the
             joy
             ,
             our
             good
             works
             give
             them
             ,
             was
             really
             in
             them
             at
             their
             beginning
             ;
             with
             relation
             indeed
             ,
             and
             dependance
             on
             our
             conversions
             ,
             which
             were
             to
             happen
             afterwards
             in
             succession
             of
             time
             ,
             but
             lodg'd
             in
             their
             brests
             altogether
             at
             first
             ,
             by
             the
             large
             sore
             knowledge
             wherewith
             their
             bounteous
             God
             endued
             them
             :
             else
             what
             a
             strange
             perpetuall
             motion
             would
             there
             be
             in
             heaven
             ,
             if
             every
             good
             or
             bad
             work
             of
             all
             the
             men
             on
             earth
             ,
             should
             beget
             a
             new
             affection
             of
             joy
             or
             grief
             in
             all
             the
             Angels
             of
             heaven
             ,
             (
             I
             suppose
             our
             sins
             displease
             them
             ,
             as
             they
             do
             God
             ;
             and
             contristate
             them
             ,
             as
             they
             do
             the
             holy
             Ghost
             )
             nor
             shall
             I
             so
             far
             distrust
             my
             Reader
             as
             to
             doubt
             his
             admittance
             of
             the
             same
             conclusions
             for
             Saints
             as
             well
             as
             Angels
             ;
             since
             they
             both
             agree
             in
             the
             common
             notion
             of
             
               Spirits
               .
            
          
           
           
             To
             apply
             this
             now
             to
             our
             present
             Case
             ;
             As
             our
             conversions
             procure
             joy
             to
             the
             Angels
             ,
             without
             making
             any
             new
             change
             in
             them
             ;
             why
             may
             not
             our
             prayers
             procure
             
               relief
            
             to
             the
             souls
             in
             Purgatory
             without
             making
             any
             new
             change
             in
             them
             ?
             As
             all
             that
             we
             express
             in
             terms
             of
             succession
             whē
             we
             speak
             of
             Angels
             ,
             is
             in
             Theology
             sufficiently
             verify'd
             ,
             by
             referring
             it
             to
             the
             first
             instant
             of
             their
             fixed
             being
             ;
             why
             may
             not
             also
             the
             
               Relief
            
             we
             impetrate
             in
             succession
             of
             time
             for
             souls
             departed
             ,
             be
             sufficiently
             verify'd
             by
             referring
             it
             to
             the
             first
             instant
             of
             their
             fixt
             being
             or
             separation
             ?
          
           
             I
             confess
             I
             know
             not
             how
             to
             find
             an
             unevenness
             in
             the
             two
             sides
             ,
             they
             are
             so
             exactly
             parallel
             :
             Addition
             of
             joy
             in
             one
             ;
             diminution
             of
             pains
             in
             the
             other
             :
             new
             honour
             to
             the
             one
             ;
             new
             relief
             to
             the
             other
             ;
             and
             both
             from
             the
             same
             act
             ,
             the
             same
             prayer
             ,
             the
             same
             oblation
             .
             If
             the
             whole
             body
             of
             Catholikes
             expect
             to
             alter
             the
             sorrows
             of
             the
             souls
             departed
             ,
             do
             they
             not
             also
             expect
             to
             advance
             the
             honour
             of
             the
             Saints
             and
             Angels
             ,
             nay
             ,
             even
             of
             God
             himself
             ?
             If
             that
             be
             
               universally
            
             practised
             ,
             and
             with
             
               such
               hope
               ,
            
             is
             not
             this
             so
             too
             ?
             If
             the
             common
             people
             feel
             their
             imaginations
             check
             at
             our
             interpretation
             of
             that
             ;
             would
             they
             not
             be
             
             as
             much
             startled
             ,
             did
             they
             strongly
             reflect
             on
             't
             ,
             at
             the
             Schoolmens
             explication
             of
             this
             ?
             both
             contain
             the
             same
             difficulty
             ;
             and
             therefore
             both
             require
             the
             same
             method
             to
             answer
             :
             and
             ,
             as
             whatever
             belongs
             to
             man
             in
             the
             quality
             of
             a
             
               living
               creature
               ,
            
             belongs
             to
             a
             horse
             or
             lion
             by
             the
             same
             title
             :
             so
             every
             attribute
             incident
             to
             Angels
             purely
             as
             they
             are
             
               spirits
               ,
            
             may
             justly
             be
             claim'd
             by
             any
             to
             whom
             that
             notion
             of
             
               spirit
            
             is
             truly
             appliable
             .
          
           
             Now
             ,
             souls
             departed
             have
             ,
             in
             my
             opinion
             ,
             so
             large
             a
             knowledge
             given
             them
             immediatly
             upon
             their
             first
             separation
             ,
             that
             they
             assuredly
             know
             all
             the
             good
             that
             they
             have
             done
             for
             them
             ,
             both
             by
             occasion
             of
             what
             themselves
             procur'd
             ,
             and
             by
             the
             voluntary
             charity
             of
             others
             ;
             as
             also
             what
             shall
             be
             their
             portion
             at
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             ,
             compounded
             of
             all
             these
             concurrent
             causes
             ;
             and
             so
             are
             now
             ,
             from
             the
             first
             moment
             of
             their
             unclothing
             ,
             in
             that
             degree
             of
             hope
             and
             joy
             which
             those
             foresights
             produce
             :
             which
             yet
             ought
             not
             in
             the
             least
             to
             cool
             our
             devotions
             towards
             them
             ,
             since
             they
             never
             should
             foreknow
             that
             our
             prayers
             obtain
             for
             them
             those
             advantages
             ,
             if
             indeed
             we
             did
             not
             really
             pray
             for
             them
             .
          
           
           
             Thus
             far
             I
             am
             drawn
             in
             defence
             of
             truth
             and
             my self
             ,
             both
             beyond
             my
             intention
             ,
             and
             against
             my
             inclination
             :
             but
             still
             it
             sometimes
             happens
             ,
             that
             what
             is
             not
             enough
             for
             some
             ,
             is
             too
             much
             for
             others
             .
          
           
             To
             conclude
             then
             ,
             As
             prayers
             for
             the
             dead
             with
             hope
             of
             procuring
             them
             relief
             ;
             is
             a
             traditionary
             doctrine
             and
             practice
             ,
             so
             prayers
             to
             Saints
             and
             Angels
             (
             and
             even
             to
             God
             himself
             )
             with
             perswasion
             of
             advancing
             their
             glory
             .
             is
             a
             traditionary
             doctrine
             and
             practise
             :
             but
             whether
             any
             reall
             intrinsick
             change
             among
             those
             
               spirits
            
             be
             wrought
             successively
             ,
             and
             occasionally
             after
             our
             sublunary
             fashion
             ,
             is
             meerly
             a
             Theological
             inquiry
             ,
             and
             no
             traditionary
             either
             doctrine
             or
             practise
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             third
             Chapter
             ,
             you
             touch
             upon
             the
             Reasons
             of
             praying
             for
             the
             dead
             in
             particular
             ;
             but
             because
             you
             handle
             it
             afterwards
             on
             set
             purpose
             ;
             I
             may
             lawfully
             defer
             the
             answer
             till
             I
             meet
             with
             it
             again
             ;
             in
             the
             mean
             time
             ,
             I
             freely
             subscribe
             to
             every
             word
             of
             the
             testimony
             you
             bring
             from
             Saint
             
               Austin
               .
            
          
        
         
         
           
             Notes
             on
             the
             fourth
             Chapter
             .
          
           
             Here
             you
             pretend
             to
             deliver
             the
             sense
             of
             the
             Liturgies
             ,
             both
             of
             the
             
               Greek
            
             and
             
               Latin
            
             Church
             .
             My
             first
             note
             is
             that
             where
             Saint
             
               James
               prayes
               God
               to
               cause
               the
               souls
               to
               rest
               with
               the
               Saints
            
             ;
             You
             seek
             to
             perswade
             the
             Reader
             ,
             that
             we
             explicate
             it
             to
             pray
             ,
             
               that
               they
               may
               not
               rest
               till
            
             (
             nay
             more
             till
             
               after
               )
               the
               day
               of
               Judgment
               :
            
             which
             I
             confess
             to
             be
             a
             jeer
             ,
             fit
             enough
             perhaps
             for
             the
             merry
             trifling
             Vindicator
             ,
             but
             you
             much
             undervalue
             your self
             to
             use
             scoffing
             in
             stead
             of
             Reason
             .
             You
             tell
             us
             too
             ,
             the
             Fathers
             pray
             constantly
             for
             a
             
               present
            
             help
             ,
             but
             when
             you
             cite
             words
             ,
             nothing
             appears
             ,
             but
             the
             common
             effect
             in
             which
             both
             sides
             agree
             .
          
           
             One
             place
             you
             have
             out
             of
             Saint
             
               Ambrose
            
             which
             hath
             some
             shew
             ,
             
               I
               loved
               him
               ,
            
             saith
             Saint
             
               Ambrose
               ,
               and
               therefore
               I
               will
               accompany
               him
               to
               the
               kingdom
               of
               heaven
               ,
               nor
               will
               I
               forsake
               him
               ,
               till
               by
               tears
               and
               prayers
               I
               bring
               him
               whither
               his
               own
               deserts
               call
               him
               .
            
             These
             words
             you
             interpret
             to
             signifie
             materiall
             
             time
             ,
             that
             he
             wil
             pray
             so
             long
             till
             he
             hath
             brought
             him
             out
             of
             Purgatory
             into
             Heaven
             .
             I
             on
             the
             other
             side
             conceive
             it
             onely
             an
             expression
             of
             the
             fervency
             of
             the
             prayer
             which
             he
             would
             make
             for
             him
             .
             Let
             us
             weigh
             whether
             explication
             be
             the
             more
             rationall
             .
             To
             undertake
             what
             I
             say
             ,
             was
             in
             Saint
             
               Ambrose's
            
             power
             ,
             being
             no
             more
             then
             to
             promise
             the
             assistance
             which
             was
             in
             the
             Churches
             power
             .
             The
             other
             sense
             which
             you
             make
             ,
             requires
             that
             Saint
             
               Ambrose
            
             should
             expect
             a
             revelation
             to
             know
             when
             his
             soul
             went
             to
             heaven
             ,
             else
             he
             must
             never
             give
             over
             praying
             for
             him
             ;
             that
             he
             should
             enter
             into
             the
             counsels
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             understand
             both
             what
             punishment
             was
             due
             to
             
               Theodosius
               ,
            
             and
             what
             quantity
             of
             prayer
             was
             enough
             to
             release
             him
             .
             Add
             to
             this
             the
             doctrin
             of
             both
             Fathers
             and
             Schoolmen
             ,
             that
             there
             is
             no
             promise
             of
             God
             that
             a
             good
             mans
             prayers
             shall
             be
             heard
             for
             others
             ;
             and
             therefore
             ,
             as
             to
             us
             ,
             't
             is
             wholy
             incertain
             .
             Wherein
             then
             are
             the
             prayers
             of
             those
             who
             think
             with
             me
             less
             fruitfull
             to
             their
             departed
             friends
             ,
             then
             theirs
             ,
             who
             call
             to
             God
             for
             a
             determinate
             or
             immediate
             delivery
             ?
             If
             the
             release
             be
             granted
             when
             it
             suits
             with
             the
             justice
             and
             mercy
             of
             God
             ,
             as
             doubtless
             it
             
             is
             ,
             then
             both
             their
             prayers
             are
             equall
             ,
             and
             this
             onely
             difference
             is
             between
             them
             ,
             as
             to
             the
             time
             ,
             one
             prays
             with
             more
             importunity
             ,
             the
             other
             with
             more
             submission
             ;
             but
             ,
             as
             to
             the
             desire
             of
             benefiting
             ,
             both
             with
             the
             same
             affection
             .
          
           
             Next
             you
             urge
             Saint
             
               Chrysostom
               ,
            
             saying
             ,
             the
             dead
             receive
             some
             comfort
             if
             offerings
             be
             made
             for
             them
             ;
             and
             conclude
             from
             that
             word
             
               some
               ,
            
             as
             if
             it
             could
             not
             signifie
             heaven
             .
             But
             as
             you
             prettily
             press
             
               quiddam
               ,
            
             so
             will
             I
             begg
             leave
             to
             press
             the
             
               future
            
             Participle
             ,
             
               accessurum
            
             ;
             which
             quite
             spoils
             your
             pretence
             of
             
               present
               change
               upon
               our
               prayers
            
             ;
             and
             being
             indeterminately
             
               future
               ,
            
             may
             signifie
             indifferently
             ,
             
               the
               day
               of
               judgement
               ,
            
             and
             that
             
               solatium
               quiddam
            
             (
             as
             you
             put
             it
             )
             let
             it
             mean
             what
             it
             will
             ,
             is
             given
             them
             .
             Now
             the
             word
             
               some
               ,
            
             being
             abstractive
             ,
             sutes
             very
             well
             with
             the
             intention
             of
             him
             who
             would
             evince
             ,
             that
             prayers
             did
             assuredly
             benefit
             the
             dead
             ;
             as
             is
             the
             method
             of
             all
             wary
             men
             ,
             to
             use
             the
             commonest
             and
             surest
             terms
             ,
             without
             ingaging
             into
             particular
             degrees
             ,
             unless
             those
             degrees
             were
             the
             very
             question
             .
             And
             do
             you
             think
             there
             are
             not
             degrees
             too
             of
             rewards
             in
             heaven
             ?
             is
             there
             not
             the
             reward
             of
             a
             
               Prophet
            
             ?
             and
             that
             of
             a
             
               Disciple
               ?
            
             that
             which
             
             is
             proportion'd
             to
             the
             giving
             a
             cup
             of
             cold
             water
             ,
             and
             all
             this
             in
             the
             essentiall
             part
             of
             beatitude
             ;
             every
             act
             of
             charity
             increasing
             it
             to
             its
             worth
             and
             degree
             ?
             Besides
             ,
             will
             you
             deny
             accidentall
             rewards
             in
             heaven
             ?
          
           
             Then
             you
             insist
             upon
             revelations
             of
             Saint
             
               Gregory
            
             and
             Venerable
             
               Bede
               ,
            
             and
             make
             an
             advantage
             of
             their
             not
             being
             contradicted
             ,
             which
             consequence
             I
             do
             not
             understand
             .
             For
             how
             many
             things
             are
             there
             written
             in
             divers
             Authors
             ,
             both
             ancient
             and
             modern
             ,
             neither
             believed
             ▪
             nor
             contradicted
             ?
             or
             if
             contradicted
             ,
             both
             themselves
             and
             contradictions
             generally
             neglected
             ?
             you
             add
             ,
             that
             both
             
               Greeks
            
             and
             
               Latines
            
             positively
             approved
             to
             them
             .
             True
             it
             is
             ,
             
               Gregory
            
             the
             third
             ,
             according
             to
             
               Photius
            
             (
             who
             could
             not
             well
             be
             ignorant
             of
             it
             ,
             being
             so
             learned
             a
             person
             ,
             especially
             in
             Books
             and
             Authors
             )
             was
             the
             Writer
             of
             those
             Dialogues
             ;
             a
             
               Syrian
            
             born
             ,
             and
             for
             his
             piety
             ,
             exalted
             to
             the
             Popedome
             ;
             and
             
               Zacharias
               ,
            
             by
             birth
             a
             
               Grecian
               ,
            
             and
             for
             his
             goodness
             promoted
             also
             to
             the
             same
             dignity
             thought
             them
             fit
             to
             be
             communicated
             to
             
               Greece
               ,
            
             but
             with
             what
             success
             I
             cannot
             give
             you
             any
             account
             .
             Yet
             I
             dare
             say
             ,
             no
             grave
             Divine
             now
             living
             ,
             will
             undertake
             to
             justifie
             those
             Revelations
             ,
             as
             having
             
             ever
             some
             smack
             that
             agrees
             not
             with
             Catholique
             Doctrin
             .
             Venerable
             
               Bede's
            
             Revelations
             likewise
             have
             certain
             twangs
             of
             strangeness
             in
             them
             ,
             which
             shew
             that
             they
             cannot
             bear
             the
             touch
             of
             a
             Theologicall
             examination
             ;
             and
             so
             ,
             in
             a
             fair
             word
             ,
             I
             answer
             you
             the
             Revelations
             both
             of
             the
             one
             and
             the
             other
             ,
             are
             generally
             contradicted
             by
             Divines
             ,
             and
             you
             can
             make
             no
             argument
             from
             them
             ;
             but
             rather
             I
             may
             infer
             the
             effect
             of
             such
             an
             origin
             is
             to
             be
             suspected
             ,
             and
             dangerous
             .
          
           
             You
             say
             the
             
               Sequence
            
             of
             the
             Mass
             for
             the
             dead
             ,
             inculcates
             the
             horror
             of
             dooms-day
             ,
             to
             move
             good
             people
             to
             help
             the
             souls
             out
             of
             Purgatory
             before
             it
             come
             :
             As
             if
             you
             conceiv'd
             that
             day
             would
             be
             worse
             to
             them
             ,
             were
             they
             not
             help'd
             before
             ;
             which
             Position
             ,
             I
             confess
             ,
             I
             understand
             not
             :
             Since
             it
             is
             the
             generall
             Doctrin
             that
             the
             same
             doom
             is
             given
             in
             the
             particular
             judgement
             ,
             and
             there
             is
             nothing
             then
             to
             be
             decided
             but
             Eternity
             .
             You
             bid
             me
             consider
             ,
             that
             these
             three
             alone
             ,
             Saint
             
               Gregory
               ,
               Zacharias
               ,
            
             and
             Saint
             
               Chrysostom
               ,
            
             carry
             the
             
               Greek
            
             and
             
               Latin
            
             Churches
             on
             their
             backs
             ;
             but
             give
             me
             leave
             to
             say
             ,
             that
             the
             Fathers
             and
             Authorities
             I
             have
             cited
             (
             of
             which
             you
             take
             no
             notice
             )
             are
             so
             far
             more
             numerous
             
             and
             strong
             then
             they
             ,
             that
             (
             to
             use
             your
             own
             phrase
             )
             they
             carry
             both
             their
             Churches
             and
             them
             and
             all
             on
             their
             backs
             .
          
           
             You
             come
             at
             last
             to
             the
             Council
             of
             
               Chalcedon
               ,
            
             and
             
               Ischyrions
            
             action
             against
             
               Dioscorus
               ,
            
             for
             mispending
             a
             Ladies
             monys
             ,
             bestowed
             at
             her
             death
             ,
             for
             the
             good
             of
             her
             soul
             ,
             so
             the
             text
             hath
             it
             ,
             if
             I
             remember
             right
             ,
             and
             not
             for
             the
             souls
             of
             the
             deceased
             ,
             as
             you
             write
             it
             ;
             though
             if
             it
             were
             so
             written
             ,
             it
             were
             conformable
             to
             the
             use
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             and
             true
             Doctrine
             ,
             and
             so
             I
             must
             put
             this
             also
             ,
             amongst
             your
             other
             proofs
             ,
             which
             want
             a
             little
             of
             that
             pious
             affection
             to
             stretch
             them
             home
             to
             the
             purpose
             :
             For
             your
             argument
             hence
             ,
             seems
             to
             stand
             thus
             ;
             almes
             given
             for
             the
             dead
             are
             to
             be
             distributed
             faithfully
             ;
             therefore
             souls
             are
             delivered
             before
             the
             day
             of
             Judgement
             .
          
           
             After
             this
             severe
             consequence
             of
             your
             own
             ,
             you
             entertain'd
             the
             confidence
             to
             censure
             my
             explication
             of
             the
             offertory
             ,
             for
             a
             sophisme
             ;
             because
             I
             think
             the
             punishment
             exprest
             there
             ,
             signifies
             that
             of
             Hell
             ,
             not
             Purgatory
             .
             But
             certainly
             ,
             it
             is
             a
             spice
             of
             great
             weakness
             ,
             to
             believe
             the
             contrary
             without
             a
             stronger
             proof
             then
             your
             bare
             word
             ;
             since
             the
             expressions
             are
             so
             horrid
             ,
             that
             greater
             or
             more
             significant
             
             can
             scarce
             be
             found
             ,
             as
             ,
             
               the
               jaws
               of
               a
               Lion
               ,
            
             or
             
               Devil
               ,
               the
               deep
               dungeon
            
             ▪
             that
             
               Tartarus
            
             (
             or
             the
             deepest
             sink
             of
             
               Hell
               )
               should
               not
               swallow
               them
               up
               .
            
             And
             in
             the
             Office
             of
             the
             dead
             ,
             
               where
               no
               order
               dwels
               ,
               but
               everlasting
               horror
            
             ;
             and
             other
             such
             dreadfull
             phrases
             .
             And
             the
             
               Greeks
            
             use
             to
             call
             it
             in
             their
             rituals
             ,
             
               Gehennam
               ,
            
             But
             why
             
               sedes
               refrigerii
            
             should
             speak
             your
             purgatory
             ,
             I
             am
             not
             capable
             of
             the
             consequence
             .
             It
             may
             be
             said
             by
             Writers
             ,
             that
             refreshment
             is
             given
             there
             ,
             but
             sure
             none
             before
             you
             ,
             ever
             call'd
             that
             suffering
             state
             ,
             the
             
               seat
               of
               refreshment
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             Notes
             on
             the
             fifth
             Chapter
             .
          
           
             AS
             your
             Chapter
             is
             short
             ,
             so
             shall
             my
             Notes
             .
             You
             say
             ,
             tradition
             alone
             cannot
             prove
             faith
             in
             all
             Articles
             ;
             but
             you
             prove
             it
             not
             ;
             for
             neither
             the
             Council
             of
             
               Trent
               ,
            
             nor
             Saint
             
               Irenaeus
               ,
            
             though
             the
             one
             say
             Catholike
             Faith
             is
             contained
             in
             both
             ,
             and
             the
             other
             ,
             that
             both
             are
             necessary
             for
             the
             Church
             ,
             say
             that
             Tradition
             alone
             is
             not
             sufficient
             ;
             Rather
             Saint
             
               Irenaeus
            
             saith
             
             it
             is
             ;
             as
             all
             those
             Fathers
             must
             needs
             be
             understood
             to
             do
             ,
             who
             in
             case
             of
             difficulty
             ,
             send
             us
             to
             the
             Apostolicall
             Churches
             .
             But
             to
             be
             short
             ,
             I
             make
             you
             this
             argument
             :
             If
             Scripture
             teach
             somewhat
             that
             is
             not
             in
             Tradition
             ,
             either
             Scripture
             in
             such
             passages
             needs
             an
             Interpreter
             ,
             or
             no
             .
             If
             none
             ,
             can
             any
             sensible
             man
             perswade
             himself
             ,
             it
             hath
             not
             been
             the
             perpetuall
             doctrin
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             so
             it
             be
             in
             a
             point
             necessary
             to
             be
             known
             ?
             And
             if
             Scripture
             do
             need
             an
             Interpreter
             ,
             that
             interpreter
             binds
             the
             Church
             ,
             and
             is
             the
             immediate
             Revealer
             ,
             and
             he
             must
             have
             the
             Authority
             of
             such
             a
             Proposer
             ,
             to
             oblige
             the
             Church
             to
             his
             interpretation
             .
             It
             is
             therefore
             a
             sophism
             ,
             to
             put
             the
             Scripture
             for
             a
             self-sufficient
             authority
             to
             bind
             the
             Church
             ,
             in
             what
             is
             not
             known
             by
             tradition
             .
             But
             Scripture
             is
             necessary
             for
             condemnation
             of
             Heretiques
             in
             such
             points
             as
             they
             pretend
             to
             deduce
             from
             it
             ;
             and
             so
             the
             Council
             of
             
               Trent
            
             declares
             it self
             ,
             when
             it
             speaks
             upon
             what
             ground
             it
             would
             proceed
             :
             What
             consequents
             follow
             of
             this
             doctrin
             ,
             we
             must
             expect
             your
             leisure
             to
             declare
             ,
             as
             yet
             I
             know
             none
             .
          
        
         
         
           
             Notes
             upon
             the
             sixth
             Chapter
             .
          
           
             IN
             the
             beginning
             of
             the
             sixth
             Chapter
             ,
             I
             find
             little
             difference
             betwixt
             your
             doctrin
             and
             mine
             ;
             For
             though
             you
             explicate
             
               Aristotles
               Nunc
            
             otherwise
             then
             I
             should
             do
             ,
             yet
             not
             being
             necessary
             to
             our
             purpose
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             fit
             for
             me
             to
             take
             notice
             of
             it
             .
             Only
             I
             understand
             not
             how
             after
             you
             have
             very
             learnedly
             declared
             that
             the
             soul
             by
             its
             aeviternity
             hath
             the
             succession
             of
             the
             parts
             of
             pain
             all
             together
             ,
             afterwards
             you
             put
             that
             a
             soul
             by
             twenty
             years
             duration
             in
             pain
             hath
             suffered
             so
             long
             the
             hard
             consequents
             of
             that
             duration
             ;
             For
             if
             the
             extension
             of
             time
             as
             far
             as
             concerns
             the
             intrinsecal
             existence
             of
             the
             soul
             was
             all
             resumed
             in
             aeviternity
             ,
             and
             aeviternity
             was
             all
             together
             by
             the
             very
             initiating
             of
             it
             ;
             I
             cannot
             apprehend
             the
             running
             of
             time
             by
             it
             ,
             can
             add
             any
             intrinsecall
             consequent
             ,
             which
             was
             not
             in
             it
             by
             the
             very
             making
             .
          
           
             You
             seem
             to
             add
             yet
             a
             greater
             Paradox
             ,
             telling
             us
             notwithstanding
             the
             being
             of
             aeviternity
             all
             together
             ,
             yet
             there
             is
             a
             priority
             
             of
             nature
             in
             it
             :
             which
             though
             I
             can
             conceive
             in
             causes
             and
             effects
             ,
             as
             being
             different
             things
             ,
             yet
             in
             a
             pure
             indivisible
             it
             passes
             my
             understanding
             ;
             specially
             when
             the
             priority
             must
             be
             in
             succession
             ,
             where
             ,
             when
             one
             part
             is
             ,
             the
             other
             is
             not
             ,
             Neither
             doth
             
               Aristotle
            
             help
             you
             ,
             in
             whose
             doctrin
             the
             decreeing
             of
             the
             will
             is
             a
             successive
             action
             ,
             as
             depending
             on
             a
             corporall
             motion
             in
             the
             body
             .
             But
             this
             being
             the
             subtilty
             of
             a
             Scotist
             ,
             I
             pray
             do
             not
             perswade
             your self
             ,
             that
             in
             our
             doctrin
             (
             which
             makes
             the
             duration
             of
             the
             acts
             of
             the
             soul
             ,
             the
             very
             duration
             of
             the
             soul
             )
             a
             change
             of
             act
             can
             be
             connaturally
             admitted
             .
          
           
             You
             insinuate
             something
             of
             a
             Metaphysicall
             charity
             ,
             and
             that
             our
             doctrin
             is
             suspected
             to
             account
             voluntarily
             assumed
             penance
             to
             be
             superfluous
             ,
             if
             not
             superstitious
             .
             Sir
             ,
             I
             desire
             you
             by
             the
             freedom
             you
             see
             in
             my
             writing
             ,
             to
             speak
             meaning
             loud
             ,
             not
             to
             mince
             any
             sinister
             conceits
             fram'd
             of
             my
             Tenets
             .
             Truth
             loves
             light
             ;
             and
             in
             this
             particular
             point
             ,
             I
             will
             openly
             declare
             you
             my
             sentiment
             :
             All
             austerities
             or
             extern
             actions
             which
             either
             conduce
             to
             the
             breeding
             of
             charity
             in
             our selves
             and
             neighbours
             ,
             or
             to
             the
             conserving
             and
             increasing
             
             it
             in
             those
             that
             have
             it
             ,
             and
             to
             the
             extending
             of
             it
             by
             diffusion
             into
             divers
             subjects
             ;
             all
             this
             ,
             though
             there
             be
             no
             obligation
             for
             the
             actions
             in
             common
             (
             which
             is
             meant
             by
             their
             being
             voluntary
             )
             I
             esteem
             holy
             and
             sanctified
             .
             But
             if
             any
             one
             should
             think
             God
             takes
             pleasure
             that
             we
             should
             weaken
             or
             afflict
             our
             bodies
             ,
             without
             intending
             profit
             to
             our
             souls
             ,
             but
             meerly
             because
             it
             pleases
             God
             ,
             by
             and
             for
             it self
             ,
             I
             am
             of
             opinion
             that
             he
             makes
             God
             a
             tyrant
             ,
             and
             that
             his
             action
             is
             both
             superfluous
             and
             superstitious
             .
          
           
             After
             this
             point
             ,
             I
             find
             no
             disagreement
             between
             us
             in
             any
             thing
             that
             concerns
             our
             question
             ;
             some
             words
             ,
             at
             the
             very
             ●nd
             ,
             of
             the
             souls
             being
             exercised
             in
             a
             passive
             compliance
             ,
             seem
             improper
             in
             our
             naturall
             and
             vulgar
             apprehensions
             ;
             but
             not
             false
             ,
             and
             therefore
             not
             to
             be
             excepted
             against
             .
             Rather
             I
             congratulate
             among
             many
             other
             learned
             passages
             in
             this
             Chapter
             ,
             your
             truly
             Catholike
             explication
             of
             the
             Churches
             Tenet
             ,
             that
             while
             they
             are
             in
             Purgatory
             ,
             their
             sins
             remain
             ,
             and
             that
             their
             sins
             once
             perfectly
             taken
             away
             ,
             they
             are
             straight
             in
             Heaven
             ;
             which
             is
             in
             my
             mind
             ,
             the
             true
             sense
             of
             the
             Bull
             and
             Council
             .
             Though
             I
             cannot
             approve
             what
             you
             attribute
             to
             
             
               Scotus
               ,
            
             that
             in
             Hell
             ,
             
               veniall
               sins
            
             after
             certain
             proportion
             of
             punishment
             ,
             
               cease
               to
               be
               ,
            
             which
             I
             think
             a
             misgrounded
             and
             exotick
             conceit
             .
          
        
         
           
             Notes
             on
             the
             seventh
             Chapter
             .
          
           
             IN
             your
             seventh
             Chapter
             ,
             you
             give
             
               Aristotles
            
             Reason
             for
             the
             unchangeableness
             of
             an
             abstracted
             soul
             ,
             a
             very
             true
             and
             good
             one
             ;
             but
             so
             dangerous
             ,
             if
             not
             perfectly
             understood
             ,
             that
             it
             hath
             precipitated
             divers
             Peripateticks
             into
             the
             suspicion
             (
             if
             not
             the
             reality
             )
             of
             being
             Atheists
             ,
             because
             a
             substance
             without
             an
             action
             ,
             is
             accounted
             among
             Philosophers
             frustraneous
             ,
             and
             superfluous
             and
             incongruous
             to
             nature
             ;
             to
             avoid
             which
             inconvenience
             .
             I
             must
             note
             that
             this
             is
             one
             difference
             betwixt
             bodily
             &
             spirituall
             substances
             ,
             that
             bodies
             are
             essentially
             instrumentall
             ,
             and
             therefore
             ,
             where
             they
             are
             the
             directly
             and
             primarily
             intended
             parts
             of
             nature
             ,
             they
             are
             frustraneous
             and
             idle
             ,
             if
             they
             have
             not
             motion
             ;
             but
             spirituall
             substances
             ▪
             especially
             separated
             souls
             ,
             are
             certain
             beings
             ,
             which
             are
             the
             end
             of
             bodies
             ,
             
             and
             of
             all
             changes
             :
             which
             end
             succeeds
             to
             changes
             as
             standing
             still
             and
             quiet
             doth
             to
             locall
             motion
             ,
             as
             being
             at
             home
             to
             the
             journey
             by
             which
             we
             come
             thither
             ,
             as
             health
             to
             curing
             ,
             and
             manhood
             to
             growth
             ▪
             therefore
             souls
             are
             of
             themselves
             uncapable
             of
             motion
             ,
             as
             being
             now
             grown
             above
             materiality
             ,
             which
             is
             the
             possibility
             to
             change
             and
             motion
             :
             and
             so
             by
             the
             negation
             of
             materiality
             in
             Peripatetick
             Philosophy
             is
             demonstrated
             the
             unchangeableness
             of
             souls
             .
             And
             who
             ever
             supposes
             a
             change
             in
             spirits
             ,
             must
             suppose
             them
             also
             to
             have
             a
             potentiality
             to
             somewhat
             ,
             which
             is
             to
             be
             attained
             by
             motion
             ,
             as
             indeed
             those
             Divines
             do
             ,
             who
             put
             change
             in
             them
             .
          
           
             This
             is
             
               Aristotles
            
             way
             throughout
             his
             Philosophy
             ,
             which
             those
             Peripateticks
             understood
             not
             ,
             who
             drew
             the
             mortality
             of
             the
             soul
             out
             of
             the
             deficiency
             of
             fancy
             in
             her
             .
             I
             am
             glad
             in
             the
             mean
             while
             ,
             to
             meet
             an
             Adversary
             so
             learned
             ,
             as
             to
             penetrate
             the
             truth
             of
             
               Aristotles
            
             and
             
               S.
               Thomas
            
             his
             Tenet
             ,
             and
             so
             ingenuous
             as
             to
             attest
             those
             great
             Lights
             are
             on
             my
             side
             ;
             by
             which
             it
             appears
             I
             am
             not
             left
             singular
             in
             my
             opinion
             ;
             A
             favour
             the
             Vindicator
             would
             not
             aford
             me
             ,
             but
             made
             it
             injurious
             in
             me
             to
             pretend
             or
             assert
             I
             built
             on
             Saint
             
               Thomas
            
             his
             Principles
             .
          
           
           
             It
             is
             now
             time
             to
             retire
             from
             this
             digression
             to
             the
             imputation
             you
             lay
             upon
             the
             Translator
             ,
             out
             of
             the
             Council
             of
             
               Trent
               ,
            
             where
             it
             forbids
             difficult
             points
             to
             be
             preached
             to
             the
             vulgar
             ;
             which
             you
             extend
             to
             the
             putting
             them
             into
             vulgar
             Languages
             ,
             not
             without
             some
             wrong
             to
             all
             such
             great
             wits
             ,
             who
             are
             as
             capable
             of
             high
             speculations
             ,
             as
             the
             
               Greeks
            
             and
             
               Romans
            
             were
             ,
             and
             yet
             know
             no
             other
             Tongues
             then
             their
             mothers
             ;
             and
             what
             Languages
             ,
             I
             pray
             you
             ,
             did
             those
             
               Greeks
            
             and
             
               Romans
            
             themselves
             use
             in
             their
             sublimest
             discourses
             ,
             but
             their
             mother
             Language
             ?
             In
             fine
             ,
             the
             practice
             of
             other
             Nations
             testifies
             ,
             that
             the
             Councils
             prohibition
             reacheth
             not
             so
             far
             ,
             if
             you
             think
             it
             did
             ,
             I
             wonder
             you
             prest
             it
             not
             home
             ;
             look
             in
             his
             Preface
             ,
             and
             you
             shall
             see
             this
             perform'd
             by
             him
             ,
             both
             to
             his
             and
             my
             justification
             ;
             of
             which
             yet
             you
             vouchsafe
             not
             to
             take
             the
             least
             notice
             .
          
           
             But
             I
             would
             heartily
             intreat
             you
             to
             consider
             likewise
             those
             branches
             of
             the
             Decree
             which
             concerns
             your
             party
             ,
             and
             is
             a
             great
             deal
             more
             morall
             and
             important
             to
             vertue
             .
             
               Incerta
               etiam
               vel
               quae
               specie
               falsi
               laborant
               evulgari
               ac
               tractari
               non
               permittant
               .
            
             Uncertain
             devotions
             ought
             not
             to
             be
             divulged
             ,
             
             how
             much
             less
             violently
             pressed
             ?
             Were
             there
             but
             one
             clear
             sentence
             of
             a
             Father
             for
             the
             opinion
             of
             souls
             being
             freed
             before
             Judgement
             ;
             Were
             there
             any
             ground
             of
             it
             but
             unproveable
             revelations
             before
             the
             School
             ?
             Did
             there
             any
             ancient
             School
             man
             censure
             the
             contrary
             ,
             did
             it
             not
             pass
             in
             the
             Council
             of
             
               Florence
            
             for
             an
             indifferent
             opinion
             ,
             and
             the
             contrary
             not
             to
             be
             exacted
             ;
             Did
             not
             even
             at
             this
             day
             the
             gravest
             School
             men
             temper
             themselves
             from
             censure
             ,
             whatsoever
             their
             private
             opinion
             is
             ,
             I
             might
             think
             this
             command
             might
             less
             concern
             you
             .
             But
             if
             none
             of
             this
             I
             have
             said
             can
             be
             confuted
             ,
             then
             lay
             your
             hand
             upon
             your
             heart
             ,
             and
             think
             what
             is
             to
             be
             done
             .
             Remember
             in
             what
             language
             the
             scandalous
             delusive
             promises
             annext
             to
             certain
             prayers
             are
             printed
             ,
             and
             improvidently
             thrust
             ,
             as
             your
             Epistle
             calls
             it
             ,
             into
             Ladies
             hands
             ;
             look
             but
             a
             little
             about
             you
             ,
             and
             you
             may
             perhaps
             ,
             find
             motives
             enough
             to
             proceed
             very
             temperately
             in
             applying
             the
             Council
             of
             
               Trent
            
             against
             that
             worthy
             Person
             that
             translated
             the
             Book
             ,
             whose
             conclusion
             you
             dislike
             ,
             but
             confute
             not
             the
             Premises
             .
          
           
             Your
             next
             opposition
             is
             about
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             ,
             which
             you
             say
             is
             not
             to
             be
             
             prayed
             for
             ,
             and
             your
             grounds
             are
             the
             dreadfulness
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             a
             place
             out
             of
             Saint
             
               Hilary
               .
            
             And
             as
             for
             the
             dreadfulness
             ,
             I
             pray
             consider
             the
             words
             you
             cite
             :
             
               Cum
               vix
               justus
               sit
               securus
               ,
            
             which
             if
             you
             please
             to
             mark
             ,
             say
             the
             just
             shall
             be
             
               secure
               ,
            
             that
             is
             ,
             out
             of
             all
             fear
             .
             Consider
             also
             the
             triumph
             the
             book
             of
             
               Wisdom
            
             describes
             ,
             
               Then
               that
               the
               just
               stand
               up
               in
               great
               assurance
               ,
            
             &c.
             
             And
             you
             your self
             know
             it
             is
             the
             sense
             of
             the
             whole
             Church
             ,
             that
             even
             in
             Purgatory
             they
             are
             all
             secure
             of
             their
             salvation
             .
             As
             for
             Saint
             
               Hierom
               ,
            
             he
             was
             yet
             in
             the
             state
             of
             uncertainty
             ,
             and
             therefore
             no
             wonder
             if
             he
             had
             a
             deep
             apprehension
             of
             it
             ,
             being
             perpetually
             in
             thought
             of
             his
             sins
             .
             But
             this
             was
             not
             the
             way
             which
             the
             spirit
             of
             God
             led
             Saint
             
               Martin
               ,
            
             Saint
             
               Ambrose
               ,
            
             and
             a
             late
             Saint
             ,
             who
             professed
             ,
             he
             rather
             desired
             to
             live
             in
             uncertainty
             of
             his
             salvation
             so
             to
             gain
             souls
             ,
             then
             to
             die
             immediately
             with
             security
             of
             going
             to
             heaven
             ;
             nor
             the
             mind
             of
             Saint
             
               Paul
               ,
            
             who
             desired
             to
             be
             dissolved
             ,
             and
             accounted
             
               death
               a
               gain
            
             ;
             so
             you
             see
             ,
             one
             Saints
             apprehensions
             are
             not
             to
             be
             the
             rule
             of
             the
             Church
             .
             We
             have
             our
             Saviours
             warrant
             &
             exhortation
             even
             to
             them
             who
             shall
             see
             the
             disorder
             of
             the
             heavens
             in
             way
             to
             judgment
             ,
             to
             lift
             up
             their
             heads
             
             with
             joy
             ,
             that
             their
             redemption
             is
             neer
             .
             And
             Saint
             
               Paul
            
             calls
             the
             Saints
             ,
             those
             who
             
               love
               Christs
               coming
               .
            
             And
             our
             only
             Master
             teaches
             us
             to
             say
             ,
             
               Thy
               Kingdom
               come
               .
            
          
           
             Nevertheless
             ,
             I
             admit
             that
             the
             frightfulness
             of
             that
             great
             scene
             of
             the
             Universall
             conflagration
             ,
             may
             deterr
             spirits
             ,
             weak
             and
             not
             confident
             of
             their
             strength
             ,
             from
             desiring
             to
             be
             alive
             themselves
             at
             that
             day
             ,
             but
             not
             from
             desiring
             to
             come
             when
             God
             hath
             prepared
             elect
             Saints
             fit
             to
             encounter
             those
             terrors
             ,
             and
             to
             pray
             that
             such
             men
             may
             quickly
             be
             raised
             ,
             which
             is
             more
             regardfull
             in
             their
             way
             ,
             who
             think
             that
             even
             in
             aeviternity
             the
             addition
             of
             time
             is
             of
             eminent
             consequence
             .
             Briefly
             ,
             in
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             ,
             there
             are
             two
             things
             considerable
             ;
             One
             ,
             the
             terrors
             and
             dangers
             ;
             in
             relation
             to
             which
             part
             ,
             none
             can
             conceive
             we
             ought
             to
             pray
             for
             it
             :
             the
             other
             ,
             the
             great
             rewards
             and
             benefits
             to
             be
             then
             distributed
             to
             such
             as
             are
             found
             worthy
             ;
             and
             in
             that
             respect
             nothing
             can
             possibly
             be
             more
             desireable
             to
             a
             Christian
             heart
             erected
             with
             hope
             ,
             and
             enflamed
             with
             love
             of
             such
             infinit
             felicity
             ▪
          
           
             Your
             ensuing
             part
             brings
             in
             the
             difficulty
             of
             the
             fruit
             of
             prayer
             for
             the
             dead
             ,
             of
             which
             I
             may
             truly
             pronounce
             ,
             it
             is
             both
             
             the
             easiest
             and
             hardest
             part
             of
             all
             this
             question
             :
             easiest
             to
             understand
             ,
             hardest
             to
             perswade
             .
             And
             I
             hold
             my self
             bound
             to
             thank
             you
             ,
             that
             you
             handle
             it
             like
             a
             grave
             and
             solid
             Divine
             ,
             and
             not
             with
             whimsies
             (
             like
             my
             Vindicative
             Answerer
             )
             unworthy
             to
             be
             regarded
             ,
             and
             able
             to
             turn
             a
             mans
             stomack
             that
             is
             bound
             to
             answer
             them
             ;
             And
             yet
             fame
             threatens
             the
             world
             ,
             with
             a
             second
             Tome
             of
             Christian
             doctrin
             ,
             turned
             into
             jests
             by
             our
             Divine
             
               Tarleton
               .
            
          
           
             Now
             to
             come
             to
             the
             point
             of
             the
             profit
             of
             prayer
             for
             the
             dead
             ;
             wherein
             there
             are
             three
             considerations
             to
             be
             managed
             ;
             first
             ,
             what
             is
             the
             fruit
             of
             this
             prayer
             ;
             secondly
             ,
             what
             is
             obtained
             by
             it
             :
             and
             lastly
             ,
             what
             comes
             to
             the
             speciall
             share
             of
             him
             who
             is
             prayed
             for
             .
             As
             to
             the
             first
             ,
             remember
             that
             prayer
             is
             the
             substance
             of
             Christian
             life
             ,
             recommended
             to
             us
             to
             be
             constant
             and
             perpetuall
             in
             all
             our
             actions
             ;
             and
             let
             me
             add
             what
             you
             will
             not
             deny
             ,
             in
             all
             our
             passions
             and
             defects
             :
             If
             we
             be
             so
             imperfect
             as
             to
             desire
             what
             is
             not
             fit
             for
             us
             ,
             yet
             it
             pleases
             God
             ,
             that
             even
             that
             ,
             as
             long
             as
             it
             stands
             with
             ignorance
             that
             't
             is
             against
             his
             will
             ,
             be
             demanded
             at
             his
             hands
             .
             For
             still
             there
             is
             a
             conversion
             of
             the
             soul
             to
             him
             ,
             and
             many
             times
             so
             much
             the
             greater
             ,
             
             by
             how
             much
             the
             passion
             in
             us
             to
             the
             thing
             we
             desire
             is
             the
             greater
             .
          
           
             Turn
             your
             eyes
             on
             a
             Gentlewoman
             that
             hath
             lost
             her
             husband
             ,
             or
             dear
             child
             :
             see
             the
             passion
             she
             is
             in
             ,
             the
             sorrow
             she
             suffers
             ,
             so
             far
             as
             she
             conceives
             ,
             her
             beloved
             loss
             to
             be
             in
             misery
             .
             Remember
             the
             words
             of
             Saint
             
               Paul
               ,
               Sicut
               qui
               spem
               non
               habent
               ,
            
             that
             is
             ,
             inconsolably
             ;
             put
             this
             Lady
             with
             all
             her
             passion
             into
             a
             conceit
             that
             her
             loss
             is
             recoverable
             ,
             that
             by
             her
             prayers
             to
             God
             ,
             she
             shall
             eternally
             enjoy
             the
             missed
             comfort
             in
             a
             plenitude
             of
             bliss
             and
             happiness
             .
             With
             what
             earnestness
             of
             affection
             ,
             with
             what
             a
             flood
             of
             tears
             ,
             with
             what
             impetuousness
             of
             heart
             doth
             she
             embrace
             God
             and
             his
             goodness
             ,
             and
             the
             hopes
             of
             heaven
             for
             her self
             and
             hers
             :
             And
             will
             you
             after
             this
             tell
             me
             there
             is
             no
             fruit
             of
             prayer
             for
             the
             dead
             ,
             and
             this
             dead
             in
             particular
             ;
             since
             it
             hath
             so
             deep
             a
             stroke
             upon
             the
             living
             friends
             ?
          
           
             But
             your
             eye
             lay
             only
             upon
             the
             fruit
             of
             
               impetration
               .
            
             I
             pray
             therefore
             (
             not
             to
             repeat
             again
             how
             punctually
             all
             our
             expectation
             of
             successive
             relief
             for
             those
             souls
             by
             our
             prayers
             is
             verifyed
             in
             their
             simultaneous
             enjoyment
             of
             it
             ;
             )
             tell
             me
             ,
             is
             it
             to
             be
             understood
             ,
             that
             a
             cause
             can
             make
             a
             thing
             be
             sooner
             ,
             and
             not
             make
             it
             be
             ?
             It
             is
             plain
             
             then
             if
             impetration
             be
             a
             causing
             or
             making
             the
             eternall
             reward
             come
             sooner
             ,
             it
             is
             the
             causing
             of
             the
             eternall
             reward
             it self
             to
             come
             .
          
           
             I
             can
             put
             this
             more
             home
             to
             You
             ,
             who
             make
             no
             doubt
             but
             God
             so
             orders
             Beatitude
             to
             be
             the
             
               End
            
             of
             our
             works
             ▪
             that
             withall
             he
             orders
             our
             works
             to
             be
             the
             
               means
            
             of
             our
             Beatitude
             :
             so
             that
             it
             is
             perfectly
             true
             ,
             if
             the
             works
             precede
             not
             ,
             Beatitude
             shall
             not
             follow
             ,
             notwithstanding
             the
             effectuall
             will
             by
             which
             God
             hath
             ordained
             it
             .
             For
             you
             understand
             that
             in
             Gods
             resolutions
             ,
             there
             are
             no
             
               ifs
            
             and
             
               ands
               ,
            
             as
             in
             ours
             ;
             but
             that
             with
             one
             intuitive
             and
             strong
             act
             ,
             he
             orders
             the
             means
             for
             the
             end
             ,
             and
             the
             end
             by
             the
             means
             ;
             and
             that
             all
             priority
             and
             posteriority
             is
             purely
             in
             the
             effects
             ,
             none
             in
             his
             acts
             :
             And
             that
             Gods
             free
             disposition
             of
             creatures
             consists
             not
             ,
             in
             that
             he
             can
             now
             determin
             what
             he
             list
             ;
             but
             in
             that
             he
             hath
             determined
             what
             he
             listed
             ;
             or
             rather
             ,
             that
             he
             is
             essentially
             the
             very
             determination
             of
             what
             he
             lists
             .
          
           
             But
             I
             exceed
             the
             bounds
             of
             what
             you
             think
             fit
             for
             a
             discourse
             to
             be
             vulgarly
             communicated
             ,
             and
             therefore
             I
             return
             to
             my
             Theme
             ,
             and
             conclude
             ,
             if
             impetration
             of
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             be
             such
             a
             cause
             of
             
             it
             ,
             and
             of
             all
             that
             passes
             in
             it
             ,
             true
             Divinity
             must
             confess
             ,
             if
             this
             impetration
             be
             not
             ,
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             shall
             not
             be
             ,
             nor
             any
             effect
             in
             it
             ;
             how
             can
             any
             Divine
             who
             understands
             the
             exactness
             of
             Gods
             working
             ,
             deny
             ,
             but
             ,
             that
             the
             prayers
             for
             the
             dead
             by
             which
             its
             coming
             is
             procured
             ,
             procure
             the
             very
             happiness
             it self
             of
             the
             party
             for
             whom
             he
             prayes
             ,
             and
             brings
             him
             to
             the
             crown
             to
             which
             his
             
               merits
               call
               him
               ,
            
             as
             St.
             
             
             
             
               Ambrose
            
             speaks
             ;
             so
             that
             you
             see
             the
             difficulty
             of
             this
             point
             consists
             in
             this
             ,
             that
             those
             who
             are
             not
             Divines
             ,
             do
             not
             understand
             the
             connexion
             of
             Gods
             works
             ,
             and
             how
             it
             is
             true
             ,
             that
             if
             any
             one
             circumstance
             ordain'd
             by
             God
             to
             bring
             about
             such
             an
             effect
             should
             fail
             ,
             the
             effect
             it self
             would
             have
             no
             success
             .
          
           
             By
             which
             the
             third
             consideration
             is
             made
             manifest
             ,
             that
             the
             party
             for
             whom
             the
             prayer
             is
             made
             obtains
             by
             vertue
             of
             such
             prayer
             ,
             not
             only
             his
             own
             glory
             and
             every
             accidental
             part
             of
             bliss
             allotted
             to
             him
             ,
             but
             besides
             ,
             obliges
             all
             the
             Saints
             of
             God
             ,
             by
             being
             the
             occasion
             that
             by
             the
             prayer
             made
             for
             him
             ,
             all
             their
             bliss
             respectively
             comes
             to
             atchievment
             ▪
             how
             hard
             so
             ever
             it
             be
             to
             stamp
             a
             full
             conceit
             of
             this
             into
             the
             heads
             of
             the
             common
             sort
             .
          
           
           
             Your
             second
             Argument
             presses
             that
             the
             coming
             of
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             concerns
             the
             living
             as
             well
             ,
             or
             more
             ,
             then
             the
             dead
             ;
             I
             will
             not
             question
             whether
             it
             doth
             or
             no
             ,
             but
             I
             ask
             ,
             what
             doth
             that
             prejudice
             the
             prayer
             ,
             if
             it
             helps
             more
             then
             the
             maker
             of
             it
             thinks
             on
             ?
             unless
             you
             imagin
             the
             good
             people
             pray
             like
             the
             little
             boy
             ,
             whose
             prayer
             was
             ,
             that
             God
             would
             bless
             his
             father
             and
             mother
             ,
             and
             brothers
             and
             sisters
             ,
             and
             no body
             else
             .
             I
             have
             not
             learn'd
             any
             such
             restriction
             of
             charity
             ,
             nor
             did
             he
             teach
             it
             ,
             who
             bids
             us
             in
             his
             own
             Prayer
             call
             him
             
               Pater
               noster
               ,
            
             not
             
               Pater
               mi
            
             ;
             And
             told
             us
             he
             knew
             well
             (
             that
             is
             better
             then
             we
             )
             what
             we
             wanted
             ,
             and
             that
             our
             desires
             should
             be
             after
             the
             Kingdom
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             all
             other
             things
             would
             be
             added
             to
             us
             ;
             as
             ,
             to
             
               Salomons
            
             Petition
             of
             Wisdom
             ,
             besides
             the
             grant
             of
             it
             ,
             were
             added
             those
             felicities
             he
             did
             not
             pray
             for
             .
          
           
             And
             me thinks
             the
             reason
             is
             cleer
             ;
             for
             if
             our
             charity
             be
             the
             adequate
             cause
             of
             impetrating
             what
             we
             beg
             rationally
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             God
             is
             not
             ignorant
             of
             what
             is
             fit
             for
             us
             ,
             certainly
             ,
             in
             respect
             of
             our
             charity
             ,
             he
             will
             do
             it
             ,
             so
             we
             be
             carefull
             to
             increase
             that
             ▪
             whether
             we
             ask
             it
             him
             or
             no
             .
             Look
             the
             
               Pater
               noster
            
             thorow
             ,
             and
             see
             if
             you
             
             find
             any
             other
             object
             of
             prayer
             then
             the
             good
             of
             the
             world
             in
             common
             ,
             and
             the
             necessaries
             to
             our
             own
             perfection
             .
             Other
             prayers
             are
             fram'd
             in
             condescension
             to
             our
             weakness
             ,
             who
             do
             not
             cleanse
             our
             souls
             from
             particular
             desires
             ,
             and
             are
             good
             and
             commendable
             to
             the
             proportion
             of
             divers
             abilities
             .
             But
             if
             all
             could
             attain
             the
             perfection
             of
             desiring
             nothing
             but
             what
             charity
             commands
             ,
             it
             would
             be
             better
             both
             for
             the
             living
             and
             the
             dead
             ,
             even
             in
             the
             way
             of
             impetration
             ,
             though
             particulars
             were
             never
             thought
             on
             .
             Nevertheless
             ,
             since
             the
             world
             is
             the
             world
             ,
             this
             Article
             of
             praying
             for
             the
             dead
             ,
             is
             as
             necessary
             as
             our
             imperfection
             (
             which
             is
             not
             like
             to
             leave
             us
             )
             must
             needs
             make
             it
             ,
             both
             in
             common
             and
             in
             particular
             ,
             as
             we
             see
             it
             used
             .
          
           
             The
             rest
             of
             your
             Chapter
             is
             so
             speculative
             ,
             that
             I
             could
             willingly
             have
             omitted
             it
             ,
             but
             because
             you
             recommend
             it
             to
             be
             weighed
             ,
             I
             cannot
             neglect
             it
             .
             I
             pray
             then
             take
             notice
             ,
             that
             in
             Saint
             
               Thomas
            
             his
             way
             ,
             the
             composition
             of
             spirits
             is
             not
             of
             materiality
             and
             spirituality
             ,
             but
             of
             essence
             and
             existence
             ,
             a
             composition
             whose
             separability
             or
             conjunction
             belongs
             purely
             to
             the
             activity
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             is
             not
             a
             
               potentia
            
             ▪
             but
             a
             
               non
               repugnantia
               ,
            
             and
             so
             can
             have
             no
             
             cause
             under
             God
             ,
             whose
             essence
             is
             in
             the
             order
             of
             existence
             ,
             or
             rather
             the
             order
             it self
             ,
             no
             other
             substance
             reaching
             to
             that
             order
             .
             Out
             of
             which
             is
             inferr'd
             ,
             that
             as
             to
             create
             and
             annihilate
             ,
             that
             is
             ▪
             to
             change
             existence
             
               per
               se
               ,
            
             belongs
             only
             to
             God
             ;
             so
             likewise
             doth
             any
             change
             in
             a
             pure
             spirit
             which
             cannot
             have
             its
             source
             in
             a
             conjoyned
             body
             .
             Those
             who
             put
             a
             kind
             of
             materiality
             which
             they
             do
             not
             explicate
             ,
             whether
             they
             speak
             consequently
             or
             no
             ,
             I
             cannot
             judge
             ,
             but
             I
             know
             
               Tully
            
             makes
             sport
             with
             the
             
               Epicureans
            
             for
             giving
             their
             gods
             ,
             
               quasi
               carnem
               ,
            
             and
             
               quasi
               sanguinem
               ,
            
             without
             being
             able
             to
             explicate
             them
             further
             .
             Besides
             ,
             that
             a
             demonstration
             could
             be
             grounded
             upon
             propositions
             whose
             sense
             was
             not
             comprehended
             and
             explained
             ,
             I
             never
             read
             in
             
               Aristotle
               .
            
          
           
             Saint
             
               Bonaventure
            
             (
             if
             his
             ordinary
             citers
             do
             him
             no
             wrong
             )
             makes
             duration
             to
             be
             truly
             divisible
             
               in
               infinitum
               ,
            
             which
             ,
             that
             it
             should
             agree
             to
             any
             thing
             ,
             but
             either
             quantity
             ,
             or
             by
             quantity
             ,
             Peripateticks
             or
             any
             other
             solid
             Logician
             ,
             think
             to
             imply
             as
             much
             as
             being
             divisible
             ,
             without
             divisibility
             .
             To
             his
             Reason
             and
             the
             two
             following
             inconveniences
             ,
             St.
             
             
               
            
             
               Thomas's
            
             Scholars
             use
             the
             distinction
             of
             infinit
             in
             its
             
               particular
               
               kind
            
             ;
             and
             infinit
             
               simply
               ,
            
             or
             in
             
               all
               kinds
            
             ;
             and
             say
             this
             later
             onely
             belongs
             to
             God
             Almighty
             ;
             and
             that
             if
             there
             were
             an
             infinit
             quantity
             ,
             it
             would
             not
             therefore
             be
             God
             ,
             nor
             that
             if
             an
             Angel
             know
             all
             specieses
             of
             numbers
             or
             figures
             ,
             therefore
             he
             knows
             all
             things
             .
             Nay
             ,
             that
             because
             the
             intellect
             is
             but
             a
             passive
             faculty
             of
             it self
             is
             there
             any
             infinit
             vigor
             required
             to
             knowledge
             ,
             though
             infinit
             ,
             so
             it
             be
             purely
             infused
             ,
             as
             likewise
             that
             the
             vigor
             of
             infinit
             duration
             is
             in
             the
             Conserver
             ,
             not
             in
             the
             thing
             conserved
             ;
             so
             that
             I
             doubt
             much
             how
             valuable
             these
             arguments
             can
             be
             made
             ,
             though
             you
             seem
             confident
             of
             them
             ,
             even
             more
             then
             of
             the
             Demonstration
             of
             
               Euclid
            
             and
             
               Archimedes
               ,
            
             whom
             you
             think
             apt
             to
             swallow
             suppositions
             without
             proof
             ,
             which
             is
             mistaken
             ,
             unless
             you
             speak
             of
             some
             self-known
             Axioms
             ,
             which
             I
             think
             you
             also
             will
             admit
             .
          
           
             By
             the
             way
             I
             would
             intreat
             you
             to
             quote
             me
             some
             place
             of
             Scripture
             in
             which
             any
             Angel
             is
             recorded
             to
             have
             had
             a
             new
             internall
             act
             ,
             for
             I
             know
             no
             such
             ;
             though
             externall
             actions
             they
             have
             manifold
             ;
             and
             so
             I
             end
             this
             Chapter
             ,
             noting
             ,
             that
             whereas
             you
             cite
             my
             Peripateticall
             Institutions
             for
             my
             opinion
             of
             Purgatory
             ,
             that
             their
             
             testimony
             is
             not
             sufficient
             to
             declare
             my
             opinion
             in
             Divinity
             matters
             ;
             the
             necessity
             of
             good
             method
             forcing
             me
             to
             abstain
             from
             Theologicall
             resolution
             in
             a
             Philosophical
             Treatise
             .
             I
             could
             rather
             have
             wisht
             you
             had
             taken
             more
             notice
             of
             the
             little
             book
             I
             wrote
             expresly
             concerning
             this
             very
             question
             ;
             where
             the
             whole
             business
             is
             largely
             treated
             ,
             the
             Objections
             rais'd
             ,
             and
             Answers
             offer'd
             ;
             many
             authorities
             produc'd
             ,
             and
             many
             Reasons
             ;
             to
             none
             of
             which
             ,
             can
             I
             any
             way
             conceive
             ,
             you
             have
             much
             applied
             your
             thoughts
             ;
             and
             so
             if
             they
             perhaps
             deserve
             no
             answer
             ,
             I
             am
             sure
             they
             have
             none
             .
          
        
         
           
             Notes
             on
             the
             eighth
             and
             ninth
             Chapters
             .
          
           
             IN
             your
             eighth
             Chapter
             you
             trouble
             your self
             ,
             whether
             it
             be
             possible
             for
             the
             souls
             in
             purgatory
             to
             see
             the
             humanity
             of
             Christ
             ,
             which
             I
             am
             so
             far
             from
             disputing
             with
             you
             ,
             that
             I
             willingly
             acknowledge
             it
             ;
             and
             withall
             ,
             that
             it
             raises
             a
             great
             heighth
             
             of
             charity
             in
             him
             ,
             so
             that
             their
             state
             in
             Purgatory
             is
             far
             beyond
             the
             state
             of
             this
             life
             for
             charity
             ,
             but
             yet
             that
             it
             takes
             not
             away
             the
             dregs
             of
             sin
             left
             in
             them
             at
             their
             death
             .
             Not
             that
             I
             think
             Saint
             
               Paul
            
             speaks
             of
             any
             such
             matter
             in
             the
             place
             you
             cite
             ,
             but
             the
             meaning
             of
             those
             words
             ▪
             
               In
               corpore
               an
               extra
               corpus
               nescio
               ,
            
             is
             ,
             that
             he
             knew
             not
             whether
             his
             body
             was
             truly
             carry'd
             locally
             into
             the
             third
             heaven
             ,
             or
             only
             that
             he
             had
             a
             sight
             of
             it
             ,
             as
             Saint
             
               Stephen
            
             had
             of
             Christ
             in
             the
             place
             where
             he
             stood
             ,
             and
             so
             the
             sense
             may
             be
             ,
             whether
             the
             rapture
             was
             in
             his
             body
             ,
             or
             only
             in
             his
             mind
             .
             For
             else
             we
             must
             conceive
             him
             dead
             in
             the
             mean
             while
             ,
             which
             I
             know
             not
             that
             any
             affirm
             ;
             and
             otherwise
             these
             be
             two
             species
             of
             the
             three
             which
             Divines
             make
             of
             Visions
             .
          
           
             To
             enquire
             then
             why
             the
             sins
             are
             not
             taken
             away
             in
             Purgatory
             ;
             though
             I
             could
             answer
             you
             ,
             that
             it
             is
             because
             they
             are
             
               in
               termino
            
             ;
             and
             you
             Divines
             tell
             us
             they
             cannot
             merit
             nor
             demerit
             ;
             Yet
             both
             I
             and
             you
             may
             ask
             how
             this
             is
             proved
             ,
             and
             whither
             we
             go
             consequently
             .
             I
             could
             answer
             again
             ,
             that
             it
             is
             for
             want
             of
             fancy
             ,
             or
             of
             an
             
               intellectus
               agens
               .
            
             But
             you
             would
             reply
             ,
             God
             supernaturally
             supplies
             that
             ,
             and
             I
             should
             
             think
             God
             doth
             not
             nor
             cannot
             prudently
             change
             his
             setled
             order
             of
             causes
             meerly
             by
             favour
             ,
             and
             because
             he
             will
             ,
             without
             the
             profit
             of
             the
             world
             .
             Therefore
             I
             must
             briefly
             say
             ,
             it
             is
             the
             result
             of
             nature
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             coexistence
             of
             compossible
             desires
             impeaches
             not
             the
             duration
             of
             these
             weak
             affections
             ,
             since
             God
             acts
             not
             but
             by
             infusion
             of
             new
             existence
             ,
             as
             in
             the
             resurrection
             .
             He
             that
             will
             assert
             miracles
             without
             proof
             ,
             plays
             not
             the
             Divine
             ,
             but
             puts
             all
             in
             confusion
             .
          
           
             For
             this
             Interrogation
             ,
             Cannot
             God
             do
             it
             ?
             carries
             such
             an
             awfull
             aspect
             ,
             that
             it
             seems
             to
             lay
             the
             imputation
             of
             Atheism
             on
             him
             who
             dares
             so
             much
             as
             doubt
             it
             ;
             yet
             you
             ,
             and
             all
             good
             Divines
             know
             ,
             it
             signifies
             no
             more
             ,
             then
             whether
             the
             effect
             implies
             contradiction
             ;
             which
             may
             be
             disputed
             without
             horror
             ,
             nay
             ,
             peradventure
             not
             so
             much
             ;
             for
             if
             God
             cannot
             do
             in
             particular
             ,
             but
             what
             is
             best
             ,
             he
             that
             can
             shew
             a
             thing
             to
             be
             not
             best
             (
             how
             possible
             so
             ever
             it
             be
             )
             exempts
             it
             from
             the
             force
             of
             that
             Interrogation
             .
             And
             although
             I
             could
             largely
             discourse
             of
             this
             later
             part
             ,
             even
             by
             your
             own
             occasion
             ,
             who
             grant
             the
             course
             of
             nature
             to
             be
             for
             me
             ,
             yet
             to
             make
             this
             speculative
             part
             as
             short
             as
             I
             can
             ,
             I
             
             will
             only
             insist
             upon
             contradiction
             ,
             how
             ever
             I
             fear
             ,
             few
             more
             then
             your self
             will
             be
             capable
             of
             the
             discourse
             .
          
           
             I
             pray
             therefore
             reflect
             that
             when
             Philosophers
             agree
             ,
             Identity
             of
             Time
             is
             necessary
             to
             contradiction
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             out
             of
             the
             nature
             of
             Time
             it self
             ,
             which
             being
             an
             extrinsecall
             accident
             ,
             hath
             not
             power
             to
             make
             any
             thing
             compossible
             or
             incompossible
             in
             the
             subject
             where
             they
             imply
             contradiction
             ;
             but
             it
             must
             be
             the
             nature
             of
             the
             subject
             it self
             ,
             which
             being
             susceptive
             of
             as
             great
             mutability
             as
             time
             hath
             mutation
             ,
             is
             
               in
               potentia
            
             another
             thing
             to
             the
             proportion
             of
             the
             changes
             of
             time
             ;
             as
             ,
             because
             a
             man
             who
             walks
             can
             stop
             ,
             and
             the
             flame
             of
             a
             candle
             go
             out
             in
             an
             instant
             ;
             therefore
             the
             consistency
             of
             a
             material
             subject
             ,
             as
             to
             our
             minds
             consideration
             ,
             is
             but
             moment-strong
             ;
             and
             we
             can
             affirm
             nothing
             of
             it
             in
             force
             of
             contradiction
             more
             durable
             then
             the
             unchangeableness
             or
             identity
             of
             time
             ,
             which
             is
             purely
             a
             thought
             or
             an
             abstraction
             :
             Out
             of
             this
             it
             follows
             ,
             that
             if
             we
             put
             in
             spirituall
             substances
             ,
             a
             more
             then
             momentanean
             constancy
             ,
             we
             must
             also
             put
             the
             force
             of
             contradiction
             in
             them
             proportionable
             to
             that
             constancy
             or
             identity
             of
             it self
             to
             it self
             .
             Now
             your self
             
             seeming
             to
             admit
             this
             constancy
             under
             the
             name
             of
             aeviternity
             in
             spirits
             ,
             for
             a
             future
             eternity
             ;
             it
             seems
             to
             me
             you
             should
             admit
             nothing
             in
             spirits
             that
             is
             not
             compossible
             together
             in
             the
             subject
             ,
             and
             by
             evident
             consequence
             that
             not
             to
             have
             an
             act
             ,
             and
             to
             have
             one
             in
             the
             same
             aeviternity
             ,
             is
             as
             impossible
             as
             not
             to
             have
             ,
             and
             to
             have
             in
             the
             same
             instant
             of
             time
             .
          
           
             You
             will
             peradventure
             tell
             me
             ,
             this
             position
             ruins
             some
             common
             opinions
             in
             Divinity
             ,
             and
             my
             brittle
             Vindicator
             would
             tell
             me
             
               it
               moulder'd
               away
               his
               faith
               :
            
             Sir
             ,
             if
             you
             be
             of
             the
             opinion
             that
             Theology
             is
             arriv'd
             to
             its
             
               non
               plus
               ultra
               ,
            
             I
             am
             not
             .
             I
             think
             many
             now
             common
             and
             probable
             opinions
             ,
             will
             in
             after
             ages
             be
             demonstrated
             against
             ,
             and
             prove
             erroneous
             :
             and
             therefore
             the
             pure
             authority
             of
             Divines
             ,
             who
             build
             upon
             pure
             reason
             ,
             hath
             no
             farther
             force
             with
             me
             then
             their
             reason
             .
             And
             I
             think
             I
             have
             learned
             this
             lesson
             out
             of
             Saint
             
               Augustin
               ,
            
             as
             I
             am
             sure
             your self
             also
             have
             ,
             how
             ever
             in
             practice
             apparences
             may
             seduce
             you
             from
             the
             exercise
             of
             it
             ;
             as
             if
             you
             believe
             it
             consonant
             to
             Scriptures
             ,
             Fathers
             ,
             Councils
             ,
             
               &c.
            
             without
             a
             legitimate
             examination
             of
             them
             :
             which
             when
             you
             go
             about
             ,
             you
             find
             them
             to
             be
             easily
             eluded
             by
             
             the
             glosses
             of
             blasted
             Authors
             ,
             many
             of
             which
             kind
             of
             Authors
             nevertheless
             Saint
             
               Hierom
            
             in
             his
             Comments
             upon
             the
             Scriptures
             was
             used
             to
             cite
             ,
             that
             men
             of
             understanding
             might
             see
             in
             the
             variety
             of
             divers
             conceits
             what
             truths
             might
             be
             picked
             out
             ,
             even
             of
             blasted
             Authors
             ,
             as
             
               Aristotle
            
             out
             of
             the
             verities
             mingled
             among
             false
             opinions
             drew
             his
             own
             demonstrations
             .
             The
             rest
             of
             these
             Chapters
             is
             but
             an
             explication
             indifferent
             to
             both
             sides
             ,
             in
             which
             as
             you
             admit
             in
             Purgatory
             a
             disposition
             to
             charity
             ,
             so
             me thinks
             you
             should
             to
             the
             change
             of
             affections
             by
             it
             :
             And
             whereas
             you
             say
             that
             the
             soul
             is
             
               extra
               viam
               ,
            
             the
             common
             Tenet
             of
             Divines
             should
             admonish
             you
             that
             she
             is
             not
             in
             state
             to
             have
             new
             revelations
             and
             changes
             which
             are
             the
             propriety
             of
             
               Via
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             Notes
             on
             the
             tenth
             Chapter
             .
          
           
             WHich
             is
             ,
             for
             its
             Positions
             ,
             entirely
             true
             and
             holy
             ;
             but
             you
             seem
             to
             suppose
             as
             true
             ,
             some
             misinformations
             ,
             or
             misapprehensions
             concerning
             your
             Adversary
             ,
             
             as
             that
             he
             questions
             generall
             traditions
             ,
             and
             calls
             them
             novelties
             ;
             which
             how
             you
             can
             do
             who
             know
             Saint
             
               Austin
            
             testifies
             in
             his
             time
             ,
             as
             yet
             the
             question
             was
             not
             agitated
             and
             that
             each
             part
             might
             prove
             either
             true
             or
             false
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             Authour
             of
             the
             celebrated
             Dialogues
             expresly
             teaches
             they
             were
             unknown
             till
             his
             dayes
             ,
             and
             from
             thence
             till
             Saint
             
               Odilo's
            
             time
             very
             little
             esteemed
             or
             noysed
             ;
             How
             such
             an
             opinion
             can
             chuse
             but
             be
             a
             
               Novelty
            
             in
             respect
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             God
             ,
             I
             cannot
             understand
             ,
             or
             that
             six
             hundred
             years
             ago
             with
             
               a
               known
               beginning
               ,
            
             can
             enroll
             it
             into
             the
             practices
             or
             doctrins
             delivered
             by
             the
             Apostles
             ,
             passes
             my
             reach
             .
             As
             for
             the
             universall
             sense
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             I
             hope
             the
             Council
             of
             
               Florence's
            
             act
             will
             demonstrate
             the
             contrary
             ,
             as
             you
             may
             see
             in
             my
             answer
             to
             the
             Vindicator
             ;
             whither
             I
             beg
             leave
             to
             remit
             you
             .
          
           
             The
             Text
             you
             cite
             out
             of
             Saint
             
               Austin
            
             is
             excellently
             true
             ,
             
               Quae
               universa
               tenet
               Ecclesia
               ab
               Apostolis
               praecepta
               ,
               bene
               creduntur
               ,
               quanquam
               scripta
               non
               reperiantur
            
             ;
             but
             with
             these
             cautions
             ▪
             That
             the
             Church
             (
             that
             is
             ,
             the
             community
             of
             Believers
             ,
             as
             such
             ,
             not
             as
             a
             multitude
             of
             men
             )
             
               hold
               them
               as
               of
               faith
               ,
            
             not
             opine
             them
             only
             to
             be
             current
             truths
             ;
             
             else
             every
             common
             perswasion
             grounded
             on
             any
             probable
             Reason
             or
             Authority
             ,
             would
             become
             an
             unchangeable
             Article
             of
             Christian
             Religion
             ;
             and
             in
             this
             ,
             I
             think
             ,
             I
             have
             your
             consent
             ,
             if
             I
             mistake
             not
             the
             the
             32.
             
             Chapter
             of
             your
             
               Systema
               ,
            
             which
             I
             formerly
             cited
             ,
             and
             desire
             my
             Reader
             to
             peruse
             the
             whole
             Chapter
             ,
             being
             excellently
             pertinent
             to
             this
             purpose
             :
             As
             also
             
               Verons
            
             general
             Rule
             of
             Catholike
             faith
             ,
             which
             I
             hear
             is
             newly
             translated
             into
             
               English
               .
            
          
           
             There
             you
             shall
             see
             how
             warily
             that
             experienced
             Controvertist
             proceeds
             in
             separating
             faith
             from
             opinions
             :
             No
             doctrin
             ,
             says
             he
             ,
             begun
             since
             the
             Apostles
             ,
             though
             confirm'd
             by
             miracles
             ,
             and
             those
             miracles
             reported
             by
             Saints
             ,
             or
             approved
             by
             generall
             Councils
             ,
             or
             attested
             in
             the
             Bulls
             of
             canonization
             can
             ever
             be
             an
             Article
             of
             faith
             ;
             Nor
             is
             the
             practice
             ,
             says
             the
             same
             Auhor
             ,
             even
             of
             the
             universall
             Church
             a
             ground
             firm
             enough
             to
             build
             a
             point
             of
             Catholike
             faith
             upon
             ;
             because
             the
             object
             of
             faith
             is
             truth
             ,
             and
             the
             Church
             often
             guides
             her
             practices
             by
             probable
             opinions
             ,
             which
             upon
             occasion
             she
             may
             change
             .
             And
             for
             Decrees
             of
             Councils
             ,
             the
             same
             Doctor
             maintains
             ,
             and
             cites
             
               Bellarmin
            
             for
             his
             opinion
             ;
             that
             unless
             the
             Council
             proceed
             
             
               conciliarly
               ,
            
             that
             is
             ,
             by
             due
             examination
             ,
             
               &c.
            
             and
             define
             
               properly
               ,
            
             not
             barely
             affirm
             a
             thing
             by
             simple
             assertion
             ,
             and
             occasionally
             ,
             as
             it
             were
             ,
             
               en
               passant
               :
            
             it
             does
             not
             oblige
             our
             belief
             ;
             and
             which
             is
             highest
             of
             all
             ,
             though
             the
             Council
             decree
             expresly
             and
             professedly
             a
             Doctrin
             debated
             ,
             yet
             unless
             it
             be
             defined
             as
             a
             truth
             to
             be
             
               believed
               with
               Catholike
               faith
               ,
            
             they
             are
             not
             properly
             heretiques
             that
             hold
             the
             contrary
             .
          
           
             What
             you
             deliver
             that
             one
             mans
             satispassion
             may
             by
             way
             of
             impetration
             satisfie
             for
             another
             ,
             and
             profit
             him
             ,
             is
             very
             acceptable
             ▪
             and
             none
             but
             they
             who
             mistake
             the
             words
             ,
             can
             dislike
             the
             sense
             ;
             for
             we
             see
             humiliations
             accompany
             solemn
             prayers
             ,
             both
             in
             the
             Law
             of
             
               Moses
               ,
            
             and
             Grace
             ;
             and
             nature
             it self
             teaches
             us
             ,
             it
             is
             a
             convenient
             habit
             for
             him
             that
             intreats
             mercy
             .
          
        
         
           
             Notes
             on
             the
             eleventh
             Chapter
             .
          
           
             WHere
             I
             see
             very
             little
             for
             me
             particularly
             to
             except
             against
             ,
             but
             that
             you
             term
             our
             Tenet
             ,
             an
             
               Innovation
               ,
            
             which
             name
             better
             becomes
             your
             own
             :
             
             But
             this
             is
             an
             Indulgence
             to
             be
             granted
             to
             the
             conceit
             every
             one
             has
             of
             his
             own
             arguments
             ;
             For
             the
             opinion
             ,
             that
             the
             sensitive
             or
             corporeall
             part
             of
             man
             is
             capable
             of
             venial
             sin
             in
             it self
             ,
             and
             so
             of
             goodness
             ;
             I
             neither
             have
             nor
             will
             have
             any
             thing
             to
             do
             with
             it
             ;
             You
             say
             't
             is
             taught
             by
             
               the
               most
               speculative
               Divines
               ,
               as
            
             Scotus's
             
               Scool
               ,
               and
            
             Cajetan
             ,
             
               &c.
               
            
             I
             dare
             not
             meddle
             with
             such
             great
             men
             .
             As
             for
             your
             Opiniators
             you
             speak
             of
             ,
             I
             cannot
             point
             you
             to
             a
             fairer
             example
             then
             the
             Vindicators
             Creed
             ,
             which
             he
             hath
             declared
             to
             be
             his
             faith
             ,
             in
             his
             Discourse
             against
             me
             .
             To
             the
             touch
             you
             give
             about
             probable
             opinions
             ,
             the
             question
             is
             too
             great
             to
             engage
             in
             on
             so
             slight
             an
             occasion
             .
             The
             place
             you
             quote
             out
             of
             Saint
             
               Austin
               ,
            
             seems
             not
             to
             concern
             the
             question
             ,
             being
             only
             about
             the
             meaning
             of
             a
             Text
             of
             Scripture
             ;
             however
             the
             saying
             is
             a
             very
             good
             saying
             .
          
           
             Concerning
             some
             
               seeming
               excrescencies
               ,
            
             as
             you
             call
             them
             ,
             in
             practical
             Devotion
             ,
             you
             speak
             like
             a
             grave
             man
             :
             you
             dislike
             them
             indeed
             ,
             but
             in
             such
             soft
             and
             gentle
             words
             ,
             that
             none
             but
             a
             very
             tender
             ear
             will
             feel
             the
             stroke
             ;
             
               they
               have
               no
               strict
               acquaintance
               with
               Church
               orders
               ,
            
             they
             are
             
               onely
               a
               sort
               of
               Bigotterie
            
             ;
             which
             is
             a
             dark
             
             word
             ,
             and
             many
             of
             the
             persons
             most
             concern'd
             ,
             will
             least
             understand
             it
             .
             Much
             after
             this
             fashion
             did
             old
             
               Eli
            
             chide
             his
             sons
             ,
             who
             had
             got
             an
             ill-favour'd
             trick
             to
             fetch
             up
             with
             a
             new
             invented
             fork
             ,
             part
             of
             the
             sacrifice
             out
             of
             the
             Caldron
             ▪
             and
             cheat
             the
             people
             of
             the
             fat
             of
             their
             offerings
             :
             What
             says
             the
             old
             father
             to
             his
             sons
             for
             this
             ?
             
               Quare
               facitis
               res
               hujusmodi
               ,
            
             &c.
             
               Nolite
               filii
               mei
               ,
               non
               enim
               est
               bona
               fama
               quam
               ego
               audio
               ,
               ut
               transgredi
               faciatis
               populum
               Domini
               .
            
             And
             almost
             thus
             far
             you
             seem
             angry
             too
             ,
             but
             is
             this
             enough
             ?
             Have
             you
             sufficiently
             contributed
             to
             the
             secure
             disparaging
             such
             exorbitances
             ,
             like
             a
             free
             and
             zealous
             Divine
             ?
             should
             you
             not
             have
             branded
             'em
             particularly
             and
             smartly
             ,
             as
             being
             not
             only
             (
             sure
             even
             in
             your
             own
             judgment
             )
             not
             good
             ,
             but
             abominable
             &
             detestable
             ?
             let
             any
             indifferent
             person
             seriously
             consider
             the
             intolerable
             flattering
             promises
             ,
             unwarrantably
             and
             scandalously
             applyd
             to
             certain
             praiers
             ,
             and
             other
             actions
             (
             good
             enough
             of
             themselves
             ,
             but
             incredibly
             abused
             by
             such
             false
             and
             covetous
             Merchants
             )
             and
             he
             will
             find
             you
             might
             have
             seasonably
             applyd
             a
             little
             sharper
             correction
             ,
             then
             what
             imports
             they
             are
             only
             in
             
               strict
            
             account
             not
             justifiable
             .
             This
             ,
             I
             confess
             ,
             is
             not
             our
             direct
             Controversy
             ,
             
             yet
             it
             is
             more
             censurable
             ,
             only
             in
             degree
             ,
             then
             an
             eager
             inviting
             of
             people
             to
             bestow
             alms
             ,
             with
             promise
             of
             a
             speedy
             delivery
             out
             of
             Purgatory
             ,
             especially
             ,
             if
             they
             name
             the
             day
             ,
             as
             I
             think
             some
             priviledg'd
             Altars
             venture
             to
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Notes
             on
             the
             twelfth
             Chapter
             .
          
           
             IN
             which
             ,
             you
             justly
             say
             ,
             it
             is
             a
             most
             uncertain
             thing
             to
             determin
             of
             souls
             in
             Purgatory
             ,
             how
             long
             they
             stay
             there
             ,
             and
             
               that
               indeed
               ,
               there
               is
               neither
               reason
               nor
               revelation
               to
               conduct
               us
               in
               that
               speculation
            
             ;
             which
             is
             very
             true
             ,
             and
             I
             shall
             seek
             to
             confirm
             it
             by
             the
             testimony
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             
               Rome
               ,
            
             or
             at
             least
             ,
             of
             the
             
               Pope
               ,
            
             who
             takes
             the
             granting
             of
             Indulgences
             to
             be
             his
             personall
             priviledge
             ;
             If
             we
             believe
             the
             Author
             of
             the
             
               Roman
            
             History
             of
             
               Trent
               ,
            
             who
             seems
             to
             speak
             it
             out
             of
             good
             warrant
             .
             I
             give
             you
             the
             words
             of
             an
             Author
             ,
             writing
             and
             printing
             in
             
               Rome
               ,
            
             not
             full
             twenty
             years
             since
             ,
             and
             therefore
             who
             credibly
             was
             an
             eye-witness
             of
             what
             he
             wrote
             .
             
               Audiatur
            
             (
             saith
             he
             )
             
               verborum
               formula
               qua
               utuntur
               
               Romani
               Pontifices
               in
               suis
               de
               liberandis
               Animabus
               concessionibus
               ,
            
             and
             annexeth
             for
             the
             form
             these
             words
             :
             
               Nos
               divina
               misericordia
               confisi
               concedimus
               ,
               ut
               quotiescumque
               sacerdos
               in
               tali
               loco
               Missam
               celebraverit
               pro
               liberatione
               unius
               animae
               in
               Purgatorio
               existentis
               quae
               per
               charitatem
               Deo
               unita
               ab
               hac
               luce
               decessit
               ,
               &
               piorum
               suffragiis
               juvari
               meruit
               ,
               ipsa
               anima
               ,
               quantum
               Divinae
               bonitati
               placuerit
               ,
               opportunis
               de
               thesauris
               Ecclesiae
               subsidiis
               adjuta
               ,
               peccatorum
               remissionem
               consequatur
               ,
               &
               de
               poenis
               Purgatoriis
               facilius
               valeat
               ad
               coelestem
               patriam
               pervenire
               .
            
             Where
             you
             see
             ,
             that
             notwithstanding
             a
             soul
             enjoys
             the
             priviledge
             granted
             to
             such
             Altars
             ;
             she
             may
             stay
             in
             Purgatory
             till
             doomsday
             .
             And
             that
             none
             of
             our
             opinion
             have
             reason
             to
             abstain
             from
             the
             use
             of
             priledg'd
             Altars
             ,
             and
             the
             like
             Indulgences
             for
             the
             dead
             ,
             or
             do
             well
             ,
             if
             they
             speak
             against
             them
             ;
             but
             ought
             to
             cry
             out
             against
             the
             abuse
             of
             those
             who
             perswade
             innocent
             souls
             of
             strange
             vertues
             which
             were
             never
             granted
             them
             ,
             so
             delude
             them
             with
             hopes
             for
             which
             they
             have
             no
             ground
             .
          
           
             Nevertheless
             ,
             I
             desire
             you
             to
             reflect
             ,
             that
             if
             this
             be
             the
             profession
             of
             the
             
               Roman
            
             Church
             ,
             concerning
             the
             souls
             which
             seem
             to
             have
             an
             eminent
             favour
             &
             degree
             in
             Christs
             
             merits
             and
             the
             prayers
             of
             the
             universall
             Church
             ,
             that
             it
             can
             be
             no
             greater
             in
             respect
             of
             those
             souls
             which
             have
             only
             the
             private
             intercession
             of
             friends
             ;
             whence
             we
             may
             gather
             ,
             that
             such
             mediations
             make
             them
             not
             come
             sooner
             then
             other
             souls
             ,
             but
             
               easilier
            
             to
             the
             Kingdom
             of
             heaven
             .
          
           
             I
             wonder
             also
             that
             you
             being
             neer
             a
             
               Jubilate
               Divine
               ,
            
             should
             make
             difficulty
             to
             censure
             an
             opinion
             ;
             what
             is
             there
             more
             of
             difficulty
             in
             censuring
             then
             in
             approving
             ,
             nay
             then
             in
             determining
             a
             case
             to
             be
             Usury
             or
             Simony
             ?
             Are
             there
             not
             divers
             kinds
             of
             censuring
             ?
             Some
             juridical
             ,
             and
             they
             suppose
             superiority
             :
             Some
             unappealable
             ,
             and
             they
             suppose
             supremacy
             :
             Some
             only
             rationall
             ,
             and
             they
             need
             no
             more
             then
             Equality
             ;
             and
             with
             reference
             to
             this
             last
             branch
             ,
             you
             and
             I
             may
             freely
             
               censure
            
             or
             
               approve
            
             of
             one
             anothers
             sayings
             ,
             as
             we
             see
             cause
             ;
             In
             this
             very
             Chapter
             ,
             do
             not
             you
             charge
             my
             opinion
             with
             
               Novelty
               ,
            
             and
             consequently
             with
             falshood
             ?
             which
             surely
             is
             a
             kinde
             of
             censure
             :
             and
             as
             for
             the
             consequence
             it self
             ,
             I
             shall
             easily
             admit
             it
             in
             Faith
             ,
             but
             not
             in
             Opinions
             ;
             which
             I
             conconceive
             may
             possibly
             be
             new
             ,
             and
             true
             too
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             no
             more
             to
             note
             concerning
             your
             
             Book
             ,
             unless
             I
             should
             mark
             that
             you
             seem
             to
             make
             
               Participem
               esse
               fidei
               Romanae
               ,
            
             all
             one
             with
             
               submitting
               to
               the
               decisions
               of
               Rome
            
             ;
             but
             that
             concerns
             not
             our
             present
             question
             ;
             yet
             I
             desire
             you
             would
             be
             more
             rigorous
             in
             your
             interpretations
             ,
             that
             so
             the
             credit
             of
             your
             citations
             may
             be
             the
             greater
             .
             Only
             three
             things
             come
             into
             my
             mind
             ,
             which
             I
             forgot
             to
             note
             in
             their
             proper
             places
             ;
             one
             should
             have
             been
             about
             the
             middle
             of
             your
             fourth
             Chapter
             ,
             where
             you
             would
             escape
             the
             Argument
             drawn
             from
             the
             frequent
             mention
             of
             the
             Day
             of
             Judgment
             in
             the
             
               Roman
            
             Liturgy
             ;
             by
             saying
             ,
             't
             was
             
               partly
               ,
               that
               the
               dead
               might
               receive
               comfort
               before
               the
               last
               terrible
               day
               ;
               neither
               can
               the
               words
               have
               any
               other
               sense
               .
            
             Pray
             read
             over
             the
             
               sequentia
            
             again
             .
             Can
             these
             words
             ,
             
               Ne
               me
               perdas
               illa
               die
               ,
               inter
               oves
               locum
               praesta
               ,
            
             &c.
             
             
               Confutatis
               maledictis
               ,
               flammis
               acribus
               addictis
               ,
               voca
               me
               cum
               benedictis
            
             ;
             &c.
             have
             no
             other
             sense
             but
             delivery
             before
             the
             day
             of
             Judgement
             ?
             Joyn
             to
             these
             the
             prayers
             of
             the
             Breviary
             ;
             
               Cum
               veneris
               in
               novissimo
               die
               :
               dum
               veneris
               indicare
               seculum
               per
               ignem
               ,
               libera
               me
               Domine
               de
               morte
               eterna
               in
               die
               illa
               tremenda
               ,
            
             &c.
             
             And
             indeed
             ,
             all
             over
             the
             offices
             for
             the
             dead
             .
             Can
             none
             of
             these
             words
             have
             
             any
             other
             sense
             ,
             then
             release
             before
             the
             day
             of
             Judgement
             ?
             Is
             it
             possible
             the
             Churches
             prayers
             should
             be
             thus
             cross
             interpreted
             ,
             that
             where
             we
             expresly
             pray
             for
             delivery
             
               in
               the
               day
               of
               Judgment
               ,
            
             you
             should
             think
             we
             must
             necessarily
             mean
             
               before
            
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             ?
          
           
             Another
             note
             which
             I
             omitted
             concerns
             your
             first
             Chapter
             ,
             where
             you
             treated
             of
             Revelations
             .
             For
             farther
             answer
             to
             which
             ,
             I
             would
             offer
             you
             a
             notable
             example
             of
             no
             less
             a
             Person
             then
             
               Gregory
            
             the
             ninth
             ,
             who
             considering
             the
             ill
             success
             of
             the
             designs
             he
             had
             undertaken
             at
             the
             instance
             of
             
               Peter
            
             of
             
               Arragon
               ,
            
             and
             upon
             the
             assurances
             of
             St.
             
               Bridget
               ,
            
             and
             St.
             
               Katherin
            
             of
             
               Siena
            
             (
             who
             spake
             with
             great
             confidence
             of
             knowing
             the
             mind
             of
             God
             )
             being
             now
             in
             his
             last
             sickness
             ,
             took
             the
             B.
             Sacrament
             in
             his
             hands
             ,
             and
             with
             most
             solemn
             and
             fervent
             intreaties
             ,
             conjur'd
             his
             successors
             not
             to
             govern
             themselves
             by
             the
             Visions
             of
             such
             persons
             as
             give
             no
             
               reason
            
             for
             their
             counsels
             .
             Compare
             now
             the
             probabilities
             of
             your
             Revelations
             with
             these
             that
             deceiv'd
             this
             good
             
               Pope
               .
            
             Reflect
             first
             on
             the
             persons
             engag'd
             ;
             a
             famous
             Ermit
             ,
             and
             two
             canoniz'd
             Saints
             pretend
             to
             have
             it
             immediately
             from
             God
             ,
             on
             the
             one
             side
             :
             
             on
             the
             other
             ,
             (
             that
             is
             ,
             on
             yours
             )
             some
             well
             meaning
             people
             perhaps
             ,
             and
             devout
             Pilgrims
             (
             the
             graver
             Persons
             that
             write
             of
             such
             curiosities
             being
             generally
             ,
             if
             not
             altogether
             ,
             bare
             relaters
             of
             what
             they
             hear
             from
             others
             )
             tell
             strange
             tales
             of
             Visions
             and
             Apparitions
             sometimes
             to
             themselves
             ,
             sometimes
             to
             their
             neighbours
             ,
             of
             which
             not
             one
             in
             a
             hundred
             but
             has
             something
             of
             ridiculous
             or
             superstitious
             :
             Remember
             the
             poor
             soul
             that
             was
             put
             to
             scrub
             and
             wash
             in
             the
             Baths
             at
             
               Rome
               ,
            
             mentioned
             in
             those
             you
             will
             call
             Saint
             
               Gregory's
            
             Dialogues
             .
             Read
             well
             Saint
             
               Bedes
            
             Revelations
             (
             I
             mean
             those
             he
             as
             an
             Historian
             recounts
             to
             have
             happen'd
             to
             others
             ,
             as
             they
             said
             )
             and
             you
             will
             find
             besides
             heaven
             ,
             hell
             ▪
             and
             a
             
               penal
            
             place
             where
             imperfect
             Christians
             are
             
               punisht
            
             (
             that
             is
             Purgatory
             )
             that
             Revelation
             tells
             us
             of
             a
             fourth
             ,
             where
             was
             no
             punishment
             at
             all
             ,
             but
             in
             it
             
               agmina
               laetantia
               ,
               foelices
               Incolae
               ,
            
             &c.
             
             Now
             ,
             let
             us
             ask
             in
             the
             name
             of
             Faith
             and
             Divinity
             what
             place
             is
             this
             ?
             The
             Revealer
             puts
             it
             utterly
             void
             of
             pain
             ,
             (
             and
             so
             neither
             Hell
             nor
             Purgatory
             )
             and
             full
             of
             joy
             ;
             nay
             so
             full
             ,
             that
             he
             could
             not
             imagin
             greater
             ,
             and
             so
             took
             it
             for
             Heaven
             ;
             but
             the
             Angel
             which
             guarded
             him
             checkt
             him
             in
             that
             
             thought
             ,
             and
             shew'd
             him
             Heaven
             afterwards
             .
             What
             Divine
             can
             acquaint
             us
             with
             so
             much
             as
             the
             name
             of
             this
             place
             ,
             or
             explicate
             to
             us
             why
             in
             Justice
             the
             very
             little
             imperfect
             Christians
             whom
             he
             places
             in
             this
             gay
             place
             ,
             should
             not
             feel
             some
             pain
             proportion'd
             to
             their
             fault
             ,
             as
             wel
             as
             the
             venially
             more
             imperfect
             souls
             had
             to
             theirs
             ;
             and
             these
             so
             horrid
             too
             ,
             that
             he
             who
             had
             the
             Vision
             ,
             took
             the
             place
             for
             Hell
             .
             Again
             ,
             he
             affirms
             absolutely
             of
             those
             very
             little
             imperfect
             souls
             that
             they
             all
             go
             to
             Heaven
             
               in
               the
               day
               of
               Judgment
               ,
            
             and
             the
             self
             same
             of
             those
             seen
             in
             Purgatory
             ,
             which
             makes
             the
             words
             following
             concerning
             some
             coming
             sooner
             subjoyn'd
             to
             this
             later
             ,
             seem
             an
             addition
             ,
             no
             such
             words
             being
             annex'd
             to
             the
             other
             state
             ;
             whereas
             me thinks
             according
             to
             the
             doctrin
             even
             of
             my
             opposers
             ,
             those
             who
             needed
             little
             or
             no
             purging
             ,
             should
             come
             to
             heaven
             sooner
             .
             In
             a
             word
             ,
             this
             fourth
             place
             either
             contain'd
             souls
             perfect
             in
             charity
             ,
             and
             then
             't
             is
             the
             heresy
             of
             
               John
            
             22.
             to
             hold
             it
             ;
             or
             imperfect
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             to
             be
             purg'd
             ,
             and
             yet
             in
             no
             penal
             place
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             not
             in
             Purgatory
             ,
             which
             is
             equally
             opposit
             to
             Catholicism
             .
             How
             strange
             a
             thing
             is
             it
             then
             that
             men
             should
             build
             us
             Articles
             of
             Faith
             upon
             Revelations
             ,
             
             which
             are
             at
             least
             subcontrary
             to
             Faith
             .
             Besides
             ,
             which
             is
             remarkable
             ,
             Saint
             
               Gregory
            
             and
             Saint
             
               Bede
               ,
            
             are
             not
             pretended
             revealers
             ,
             or
             ascertaining
             the
             Visions
             on
             their
             own
             experience
             ,
             but
             upon
             the
             testimony
             of
             others
             they
             could
             never
             be
             assur'd
             of
             ;
             whereas
             those
             other
             engag'd
             the
             testimonys
             of
             the
             Saints
             themselves
             ,
             and
             yet
             miscarry'd
             most
             utterly
             .
          
           
             After
             these
             two
             Revelations
             of
             the
             Dialogues
             and
             
               Bede
               ,
            
             there
             is
             none
             (
             for
             any
             thing
             I
             know
             )
             more
             authentique
             for
             this
             point
             ,
             then
             that
             which
             you
             recount
             in
             your
             first
             Chapter
             ,
             usher
             in
             so
             solemnly
             ,
             and
             rely
             on
             so
             assuredly
             ;
             how
             that
             once
             upon
             a
             time
             ,
             a
             certain
             dead
             mans
             skul
             told
             a
             certain
             holy
             man
             ,
             that
             every
             time
             he
             pray'd
             for
             the
             dead
             ,
             
               we
               feel
               ,
            
             said
             the
             deaths-head
             ,
             
               some
               comfort
               .
            
             Now
             ,
             as
             ill
             luck
             would
             have
             it
             ,
             this
             was
             the
             skul
             of
             a
             meer
             Heathen
             ;
             and
             so
             ,
             if
             heathens
             use
             to
             go
             to
             Hell
             and
             not
             to
             Purgatory
             ,
             it
             might
             sound
             indeed
             in
             behalf
             of
             the
             damned
             ,
             but
             not
             the
             least
             concern
             those
             in
             Purgatory
             ,
             for
             whose
             relief
             only
             the
             Church
             prays
             .
             Next
             ,
             consider
             the
             things
             they
             meddle
             with
             ;
             the
             one
             side
             fairly
             foretold
             what
             in
             time
             we
             could
             discover
             the
             truth
             of
             ,
             and
             so
             was
             
             concern'd
             to
             be
             wary
             ;
             and
             the
             matter
             it self
             so
             far
             from
             incredible
             ,
             that
             it
             was
             not
             improbable
             :
             Your
             side
             tell
             stories
             far
             more
             craftily
             ,
             such
             as
             can
             never
             be
             disproved
             ,
             such
             as
             may
             defy
             all
             the
             world
             to
             discover
             any
             falshood
             in
             them
             ;
             but
             hold
             a
             little
             ,
             all
             this
             high
             confidence
             ,
             I
             doubt
             ,
             is
             not
             granted
             on
             their
             assuredness
             of
             truth
             ,
             but
             impossibilty
             of
             triall
             :
             for
             who
             can
             detect
             the
             fraud
             of
             such
             subtil
             Merchants
             ,
             who
             pay
             us
             in
             coyn
             that
             no
             touchstone
             can
             examin
             ?
             who
             can
             charge
             them
             ,
             as
             those
             mistaken
             ones
             in
             
               Gregory
            
             the
             ninth's
             case
             were
             by
             dear
             experience
             of
             the
             whole
             Christian
             world
             in
             the
             miscarriage
             of
             the
             Holy
             War
             lamentably
             confuted
             ?
             Many
             other
             instances
             there
             are
             ,
             which
             all
             conspire
             to
             the
             confirmation
             of
             the
             holy
             
               Popes
            
             wise
             advice
             ;
             let
             them
             give
             
               Reason
            
             for
             their
             promises
             .
          
           
             The
             third
             note
             ,
             which
             I
             think
             ,
             I
             also
             omitted
             ,
             relates
             to
             your
             cencession
             that
             
               by
               the
               order
               of
               Nature
               souls
               in
               the
               state
               of
               separation
               are
               absolutely
               immutable
               ,
               and
               cannot
               change
               their
               posture
               from
               Purgatory
               to
               Heaven
               ,
               but
               supernaturally
               they
               may
            
             :
             If
             you
             mean
             by
             
               supernaturality
               ,
            
             the
             extraordinary
             power
             of
             God
             ,
             I
             agree
             with
             you
             ;
             and
             so
             our
             controversy
             will
             be
             at
             an
             end
             :
             
             but
             if
             you
             mean
             any
             constant
             
               ordinary
            
             way
             appointed
             by
             God
             to
             effect
             that
             change
             before
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             ;
             I
             conceive
             it
             very
             reasonable
             some
             cleer
             evidence
             be
             produced
             ,
             such
             as
             may
             warrant
             an
             Opinion
             ,
             that
             by
             your
             own
             Tenet
             so
             directly
             crosses
             the
             course
             of
             nature
             :
             when
             I
             see
             that
             ,
             you
             shall
             immediately
             find
             me
             most
             ready
             to
             submit
             :
             till
             then
             ,
             I
             hope
             neither
             you
             ,
             nor
             any
             of
             my
             fiercest
             opposers
             will
             have
             the
             least
             just
             cause
             to
             condemn
             me
             .
          
           
             If
             after
             this
             you
             demand
             ,
             How
             shall
             we
             distinguish
             what
             the
             Church
             or
             Councils
             teach
             to
             be
             believed
             
               as
               of
               Faith
            
             from
             other
             doctrins
             promiscuously
             delivered
             ?
             First
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             remember
             this
             Objection
             anywhere
             insisted
             on
             by
             either
             of
             my
             late
             Opponents
             ;
             and
             I
             am
             very
             slow
             to
             stir
             farther
             then
             I
             am
             mov'd
             ;
             and
             indeed
             ,
             think
             it
             inconvenient
             to
             start
             new
             game
             ,
             before
             we
             have
             hunted
             down
             the
             old
             .
             Secondly
             ,
             Are
             not
             you
             oblig'd
             as
             well
             as
             I
             ,
             to
             provide
             an
             answer
             for
             such
             a
             Question
             ?
             I
             am
             confident
             that
             the
             strictest
             of
             you
             do
             not
             hold
             all
             that
             is
             taught
             in
             the
             Church
             ,
             or
             defin'd
             by
             Councils
             ,
             even
             in
             doctrin
             and
             manners
             ,
             are
             Apostolicall
             Revelations
             ;
             if
             you
             agree
             with
             me
             so
             far
             ,
             
             why
             do
             you
             think
             me
             bound
             to
             sever
             the
             points
             of
             rigorous
             Catholique
             Faith
             from
             Tenets
             of
             an
             inferiour
             degree
             ,
             rather
             then
             your selves
             ?
             where
             we
             are
             all
             indifferently
             concern'd
             ,
             why
             do
             you
             exact
             the
             performance
             from
             me
             alone
             ,
             as
             if
             it
             were
             not
             your
             duty
             as
             well
             as
             mine
             ?
             not
             that
             I
             conceive
             it
             impossible
             to
             be
             done
             to
             full
             satisfaction
             ,
             but
             that
             I
             am
             no
             more
             engaged
             to
             do
             it
             then
             you
             ;
             though
             perhaps
             upon
             occasion
             of
             a
             
               second
               Essay
               ,
            
             I
             may
             offer
             my
             endeavours
             towards
             the
             cleering
             that
             point
             ;
             especially
             should
             my
             Vindicator
             proceed
             close
             and
             pertinently
             like
             a
             serious
             man
             ,
             and
             an
             ingenious
             Schollar
             ;
             for
             so
             I
             should
             have
             more
             time
             to
             attend
             on
             the
             weightier
             matters
             .
             And
             most
             of
             all
             ,
             if
             he
             would
             enlarge
             himself
             a
             little
             upon
             the
             same
             Question
             in
             his
             next
             Vindication
             ,
             for
             I
             shall
             be
             glad
             to
             be
             directed
             and
             assisted
             by
             any
             one
             .
          
           
             But
             if
             any
             be
             so
             unexperienc'd
             as
             to
             imagin
             all
             that
             is
             deliver'd
             or
             decreed
             is
             absolutely
             of
             Faith
             ,
             let
             him
             satisfie
             the
             instances
             commonly
             urg'd
             by
             Divines
             of
             the
             
               Assumption
            
             of
             our
             Blessed
             Lady
             ,
             of
             the
             souls
             being
             the
             
               Form
            
             of
             our
             body
             ,
             and
             many
             other
             such
             truths
             universally
             assented
             to
             ,
             but
             not
             admitted
             into
             the
             Catalogue
             
             of
             Articles
             .
             In
             fine
             ,
             if
             this
             last
             be
             your
             opinion
             ,
             you
             will
             find
             very
             few
             wise
             men
             of
             your
             mind
             ;
             if
             the
             former
             ,
             you
             are
             equally
             concern'd
             with
             me
             to
             separate
             Catholike
             from
             Theologicall
             Faith
             ,
             or
             any
             other
             Proposition
             of
             inferiour
             qualification
             .
          
        
         
           
             The
             Conclusion
             .
          
           
             THus
             have
             you
             my
             Opinion
             on
             your
             
               Result
               ,
            
             as
             full
             and
             particular
             as
             can
             be
             expected
             from
             a
             weak
             understanding
             subject
             to
             negligence
             and
             oversight
             ;
             yet
             to
             my
             power
             ,
             sincere
             and
             captive
             to
             the
             love
             of
             truth
             .
             I
             hope
             you
             cannot
             be
             offended
             at
             my
             oppositions
             ,
             for
             I
             have
             that
             esteem
             of
             you
             ,
             that
             you
             are
             a
             lover
             of
             truth
             ,
             and
             not
             sway'd
             by
             passion
             or
             interest
             ,
             but
             only
             prejudiced
             by
             the
             force
             of
             custom
             ,
             and
             the
             reverence
             of
             School-opinions
             .
             Censures
             ,
             though
             I
             think
             they
             belong
             to
             the
             duty
             of
             a
             Divine
             ,
             fit
             to
             shew
             his
             works
             to
             the
             Sun
             ,
             yet
             in
             this
             piece
             I
             have
             used
             none
             .
             And
             though
             the
             unwary
             compliance
             of
             this
             age
             with
             Error
             makes
             
             me
             esteem'd
             censorious
             ,
             yet
             my
             heart
             told
             me
             I
             was
             oblig'd
             to
             do
             so
             when
             ever
             I
             engag'd
             my
             Pen
             into
             it
             ,
             and
             that
             I
             spared
             far
             more
             Opinions
             justly
             blameable
             ,
             then
             I
             censured
             ;
             because
             I
             deemed
             them
             not
             so
             pernicious
             as
             to
             force
             me
             to
             it
             .
             The
             style
             I
             have
             not
             much
             regarded
             ,
             holding
             that
             both
             the
             matter
             and
             my
             age
             warn
             me
             not
             to
             be
             sollicitous
             of
             it
             ,
             but
             rather
             to
             speak
             ,
             
               quinque
               verba
               in
               meo
               sensu
               ,
               quam
               decem
               millia
               verborum
               in
               lingua
               .
            
             In
             a
             word
             ,
             if
             I
             gain
             your
             Opinion
             of
             my
             
               sincerity
               ,
            
             let
             the
             Controversy
             it self
             speak
             for
             the
             
               truth
               ,
            
             and
             the
             reasons
             which
             are
             on
             both
             sides
             .
             I
             must
             acknowledge
             my self
             ever
             obliged
             to
             you
             ,
             that
             you
             have
             shewn
             our
             Catholiques
             how
             to
             demean
             themselves
             with
             moderation
             towards
             one
             another
             in
             litigious
             disputes
             ,
             and
             with
             these
             thanks
             make
             way
             to
             your
             credulity
             ,
             that
             I
             am
          
           
             
               Your
               cordiall
               Friend
               and
               Servant
               ,
               
                 THOMAS
                 WHITE
              
               ▪
            
          
        
      
       
       
         
           Postscript
           .
        
         
           BEing
           inform'd
           that
           some
           few
           scrupulous
           ,
           and
           I
           fear
           ,
           unsatisfiable
           persons
           object
           against
           my
           
             Religion
             and
             Reason
             ,
          
           that
           it
           takes
           no
           notice
           of
           those
           words
           [
           
             even
             before
             the
             Resumption
             of
             their
             bodies
             ,
          
           &c.
           ]
           on
           which
           they
           chiefly
           ground
           ;
           I
           could
           not
           ,
           I
           confess
           ,
           at
           first
           ,
           but
           wonder
           at
           their
           prejudice
           ,
           which
           had
           so
           imprinted
           those
           words
           in
           their
           fancyes
           in
           
             Capitall
             ,
          
           that
           they
           could
           not
           see
           or
           know
           them
           in
           a
           lesser
           Character
           .
           For
           I
           not
           onely
           took
           notice
           of
           them
           in
           my
           
             34
          
           and
           
             35
          
           pages
           ,
           and
           put
           them
           down
           at
           large
           ,
           as
           in
           the
           Bull
           cited
           by
           themselves
           ,
           but
           addrest
           my self
           purposely
           there
           to
           show
           them
           as
           impossible
           to
           favour
           their
           Cause
           ,
           as
           't
           is
           that
           the
           Subject
           of
           a
           Proposition
           should
           be
           the
           Predicate
           ;
           which
           every
           smatterer
           knows
           to
           be
           in
           Logick
           the
           highest
           absurdity
           imaginable
           .
           Besides
           ,
           in
           divers
           other
           places
           of
           my
           Book
           where
           any
           thing
           was
           attempted
           or
           urg'd
           from
           those
           words
           ,
           I
           offer'd
           my
           satisfaction
           to
           their
           difficulties
           :
           with
           what
           success
           the
           Books
           must
           shew
           .
           In
           the
           mean
           time
           ,
           I
           crave
           the
           favour
           (
           upon
           occasion
           of
           their
           miscarriage
           in
           this
           )
           that
           none
           would
           lend
           too
           easie
           credit
           to
           objections
           whispered
           
           in
           corners
           ,
           which
           are
           afraid
           to
           appear
           and
           justifie
           themselves
           in
           writing
           under
           their
           hands
           .
           If
           any
           such
           be
           offer'd
           ,
           I
           shall
           both
           take
           it
           as
           a
           favour
           ,
           and
           acknowledge
           it
           my
           duty
           to
           satisfie
           them
           .
           If
           not
           ,
           't
           is
           so
           like
           the
           way
           of
           clamour
           and
           detraction
           ,
           that
           all
           persons
           meanly
           prudent
           ,
           will
           ,
           I
           hope
           ,
           neglect
           them
           ;
           and
           so
           shall
           I.
           
        
      
    
     
       
         
           INDEX
           .
        
         
           
             AEviternal
             things
             not
             changable
             by
             Time
             .
          
           
             p.
             
               37.38
            
          
           
             S.
             
               Ambrose's
            
             Testimony
             not
             prejudiciall
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               29.30
            
          
           
             The
             opinion
             of
             Ante
             judiciary
             Delivery
             by
             occasioning
             the
             multitude
             of
             unworthy
             Priests
             ,
             harmfull
             to
             the
             Church
             ,
             p.
             
               5.6
               .
            
             impairing
             solid
             Devotion
             ,
             p.
             
               6.7
               .
            
             injuring
             civill
             Duties
             ,
             if
             follow'd
             ,
             p.
             
               7.
               
            
             Fraudulently
             practis'd
             by
             many
             ,
             
               ibid.
            
             The
             Effects
             of
             it
             ,
             is
             true
             ,
             uncertain
             .
             p.
             
               9.10
               .
            
             The
             Church
             not
             chargeable
             with
             these
             Abuses
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               10.
               
            
          
           
             Censures
             allowable
             among
             Divines
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               67.
               
            
          
           
             S.
             
               Chrysostom's
            
             Testimony
             not
             prejudiciall
             ,
          
           
             p
             
               31
               ,
               32.
               
            
          
           
             Charity
             to
             be
             used
             in
             managing
             Opinions
             ,
             and
             why
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               12
               ,
               13.
               
            
          
           
             Composition
             how
             found
             in
             Spirits
             .
          
           
             p.
             
               51
               ,
               52.
               
            
          
           
             Delivery
             in
             the
             day
             of
             Judgment
             ,
             not
             singular
             in
             being
             universally
             held
             ,
             yet
             but
             an
             Opinion
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               12.16
               .
            
             
               
                 
                   18.19.26.61
                   .
                
                 not
                 prejudic'd
                 by
                 Priviledg'd
                 Altars
                 ,
                 and
                 Indulgences
                 rightly
                 understood
                 ,
                 and
                 sincerely
                 
                 practis'd
                 ,
              
               
                 p.
                 
                   65
                   ,
                   66.
                   
                
              
            
          
           
             Delivery
             from
             Hell
             pray'd
             for
             in
             the
             offertory
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               34
               ,
               35.
               
            
          
           
             Devotions
             not
             warrantable
             ,
             glanc't
             at
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               63
               ,
               64
               ,
               65.
               
            
          
           
             Identity
             of
             Time
             ,
             why
             necessary
             to
             Contradiction
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               57.
               
            
          
           
             Iudgment-day
             desirable
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               43
               ,
               44
               ,
               45.
               
            
          
           
             Language
             concerning
             Spirits
             ,
             how
             verifiable
             ,
          
           
             p
             ▪
             
               21
               ,
               22
               ,
               23
               ,
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             Penance
             ,
             how
             held
             by
             the
             Authour
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               38
               ,
               39.
               
            
          
           
             Prayer
             ,
             when
             perfectest
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               50
               ,
               51.
               
            
          
           
             Prayer
             for
             the
             dead
             manifoldly
             beneficiall
             ,
             p.
             
               45.
            
             to
             p.
             
               50.
            
             of
             equall
             efficacy
             in
             the
             deniers
             as
             the
             holders
             of
             Ante
             judiciary
             Delivery
          
           
             p
             ,
             
               30
               ,
               31.
               
            
          
           
             Priority
             of
             Nature
             not
             found
             in
             a
             pure
             Indivisible
          
           
             p.
             
               38.
               
            
          
           
             Relief
             in
             Purgatory
             in
             the
             Authors
             Doctrin
             ,
             from
          
           
             p.
             
               20
            
             to
             p.
             
               28.
               
            
          
           
             Reuelations
             even
             of
             great
             Saints
             ,
             how
             errable
             ,
             p.
             
               69.
               
            
             Those
             of
             
               Gregory
            
             and
             
               Bede
            
             generally
             contradicted
             ,
             p.
             
               32
               ,
               33.72
               .
            
             This
             later
             unconsonant
             to
             Faith
             ,
             p.
             
               70.71
               .
            
             That
             of
             the
             dead
             Skull
             examin'd
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               14
               ,
               15
               ,
               16.72
               .
            
          
           
             Sins
             remoining
             in
             Purgatory
             ,
             granted
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               39.
               
            
          
           
             Seuls
             separate
             why
             unchangeable
             in
             true
             Peripatetick
             Doctrin
             ,
             p.
             
               40
               ,
               41.
               
            
             This
             Incapacity
             of
             change
             ,
             the
             Result
             of
             their
             nature
             ,
             p
             
               55
               ,
               56.
               
            
             In
             what
             sence
             supernaturally
             deliverable
             before
             Iudgment
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               73
               ,
               74.
               
            
          
           
             Tradition
             alone
             sufficient
             for
             Faith
             ,
          
           
             p.
             
               35
               ,
               36.
               
            
          
           
             Translating
             the
             Middle
             State
             not
             criminally
             scandalous
             p.
             
               4
               ,
               5.
            
             but
             judiciously
             pious
             ,
             p.
             
               10.
            
             occasioned
             by
             others
             ,
             p.
             
               11.
               
            
             Not
             this
             ,
             but
             the
             Adversaries
             carriage
             ,
             forbid
             by
             the
             Council
             of
             
               Trent
               ,
            
          
           
             p.
             
               42
               ,
               43.
               
            
          
        
         
           FINIS
           .