A letter to a non-conformist minister of the kirk shewing the nullity of the Presbyterian mission or authority to preach the Gospel. Calder, Robert, 1658-1723. 1677 Approx. 39 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 59 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2006-02 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A32107 Wing C277 ESTC R2364 09304329 ocm 09304329 42666 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. 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READER , IT is not now the Order or Character of our CLERGY , nor their power of Binding and Absolving Sinners , which the PEOPLE have any great regard for , but onely our Lungs and faculties of PREACHING : hence it comes to pass , that by this curiosity after Preaching , the People are betray'd to the cozenage of every new Light and Impostor in Religion , who is commonly a zealous and eloquent Preacher , and so profound a Dissembler , that we are not otherwise able to detect him , but by enquiring into his Mission . A LETTER TO A Non-conformist Minister OF THE KIRK , Shewing the NULLITY of the Presbyterian Mission and Authority to PREACH the GOSPEL . SIR , I Should be very much oblig'd to receive a Satisfaction from you , which I could never give my self concerning the Validity of your Presbyterian Mission : I conceive it to be the most material thing in difference between us ; and that it ought to be considered in the first place , there being no Imposture like that of assuming to be Preachers of the Gospel without lawful Authority . I shall here trouble you with the Reasons of my dissatisfaction in this matter . First then I must crave your pardon to look backward as far as your first Reforming Ancestors , ( from whom Presbytery does more immediately derive it self ) Mr. Calvin in Geneva , Mr. Knox in Scotland , &c. And then permit me to ask a certain Question , which hitherto none of you would do us the kindness to resolve , Who sent Them to reform the Church , or ( as you phrase it ) to Preach the Gospel ? and How should they Preach except they were sent ? Rom. 10. 15. which words of St. Paul seem to be a question , but are indeed a full and peremptory Affirmation , That no Abilities of popular Eloquence can qualifie any persons for Preachers of the Gospel , without external and lawful Mission . This then I shall lay down as a Foundation to what I have to say , That lawful Mission is essential to a Preacher of the Gospel . And if so , I shall endeavour to make evident , That all your Predecessors of the Kirk ( how able soever as to other qualifications ) wanted this essential ; and consequently your self who derive a Succession from them . Grant me ( Sir ) a little of your patience , and consider , There are onely these Five imaginable AUTHORITIES from whence they could pretend to have received it . 1. The Spirit of God. 2ly , Themselves or their own internal Spirit . 3ly , Or the People . 4ly , Christ and his Apostles . 5ly , Or the Church of Rome . Other Authority or Mission ( as namely , That of the Greek Church ) you will not pretend to . First , From the Spirit of God. This you know to be the matter in question , and the eternal Controversie , and the Allegation of all Fanaticks ; it will be therefore a reasonable demand , By what Evidences did it appeare to the World ? And how shall the Contemners of your Gospel be left unexcusable , but by evidence of their Authority who are sent to reveal it ? In the Affairs of this World , Ambassadors you know , must not want their Credentials ; how much less the Ambassadors of Religion ? Doubtless that of your Ancestors must needs have been an Embassie extraordinary , being to Reform the World , over-run ( in their sense ) with Idolatry and Superstition . To this you answer , That the powerful gifts and sanctity of those persons were sufficient Evidences of their being Inspir'd by the Spirit of God ; and that the Conversion of many Thousands from Superstition to Godliness was an undoubted Seal to their Ministry . This is the Answer of all Dissenters and Parties of what Name soever , Anabaptists , Behemists , &c. That they easily converted many Thousands no body denies ; but whether from Superstition to Godliness , or onely to pride , censoriousness , and contempt of all Authority , is the great Controversie . Nay , was it never made a Note , of a man converted , ( as the excellent Friendly Debate observes ) That though he have a great many Faults , yet he is wrought to an Antipathy to Bishops , Common Prayer and Surplice ? And as to your self , I might appeal to your Conscience , whether you esteem any man a right Convert , that is a FRIEND to these Things . As to those powerful Gifts you speak of , you do not mean any thing that is miraculous , or that other Sects will not as soon pretend to : And truly as for the Sanctity of your whole Party , observable is the Confession of Mr. Calvin himself , in his Comment on the Thirty fourth Verse of the Eleventh Chapter of Daniel ; and I promise you not to injure him in the Quotation , Sed in illorum exiguo numero qui sese ab Idololatriis Papatus subduxerunt , major pars plena est perfidia & dolis : praeclarum quidem zelum simulant ; sed si intus excutias , reperies plenos esse fraudibus . Of that small number of persons ( saith he ) who profess the pure Gospel , the greater part is full of perfidiousness and deceit ; they pretend an excellent Zeal , but if you inspect them narrowly , you shall finde them abounding w th Frauds . Secondly , Themselves , or their own internal Spirit . It is absurd ; for so all men may become Preachers of the Gospel , that will assume the confidence . Thirdly , the People . Let us allow this Authority for good : and then , I pray , will not Socinians , Anabaptists , Behemists , Fifth Monarchy-men ( and who not ) enter in at this Door , and plead their Call by the People to Reform the Presbyterians ? be pleas'd to tell us what People do you mean ? If those of your own Opinion , they will not in some places amount to a Fourth or Fifth part of the People , and must all the rest be debar'd from Electing their owne Preachers ? besides , you know , it is not the Peoples Election alone that can Constitute a Preacher of the Gospel ; it is the Mission and Ordination of your Predecessors , that I am now enquiring after . You cannot be ignorant concerning the popular Election of Ministers , that it had been disus'd many Centuries before Calvin ; for the Tumults , Factions , and Confusions that attended it : the unstable People seldom or never agreeing about the Persons to be Elected ; and I am sure there is no Precept of Scripture Invests them with any such power . Fourthly , Or will you derive your Ministry from Christ and his Apostles ? But all Dissenters proclaim their Extraction from the same Original : which of them shall we believe ? From Christ and his Apostles ! Give me leave to ask whether immediately or mediately ? Immediately you will not say ; if mediately , I pray inform us by whom ? Or from whose hands did your Puritan Ancestors receive their Mission and Ordination ? Well , Fifthly , Some body must send them to Preach the Gospel : Was it the CHURCH of Rome ? Yes , I have heard you say ; and is not this to confess your selves the Emissaries of Antichrist , that Man of Sin , the Whore of Babylon ? Quid Christo cum Belial ? But the unhappiness of it is , that this Mission from Rome , or Romane Bishops , will as soon Watrant the Sermons of a Popish Fryar , as those of your Predecessors . And as to your pretended Ordination from Rome , there is one Difficulty in it , that I confess I cannot resolve ; Was it not Episcopal Ordination , if any , they received from that Church ? And was such Ordination good and valid , yea or no ? If good , wherefore will you needs abolish it , as repugnant to the Word of God ? If not , what will become of your Orders ? And further , I would gladly understand ; are any persons sent to go and preach the Gospel after their own sense ? If so , then he that hath received Mission from your Kirk , may when he list become an Independant or Anabaptist Preacher , and justifie his new Doctrine by your Commission . As for Calvin ; Beza , who wrote his Life , informs us , that he was never Initiated into any Orders of the ROMANE Church ; Nullis erat Pontificiis ordinibus initiatus ; are Beza's words , who being his great Acquaintance and Successor at Geneva , could not but know it very well . I was of opinion , that your Founder Calvin had been in some Orders , until your own Beza inform'd me to the contrary . Farrellus also and Viret his fellow Preachers in Geneva , you will find in the same querpo , without Orders : as for John Knoz , he was ( saith Mr. Clark a Presbyterian Minister , who writes his life ) put into orders very young ; that is , when he was professedly of the ROMAN Catholique Religion , he was made Deacon or Priest of that Church , by Episcopal Ordination : but all this while we are to seek for their Presbyterian Mission : did John Knox receive any Authority to ordain other Presbyterians ? could he confer a power on others , which he had not received , of ordaining Ministers ? to say there was necessity for it , is an answer that will excuse also other dissenters , pleading the same necessity of their Ministry ; of all which , our Church is so sensible , that she will admit none of your Brethren to her Eclesiastical Functions without Reordination . Presbyteri & Diaconi praeter Episcopum nihil agere pertentent , Saith the Fortieth Canon of the Apostles ; a Canon which , if it were not Apostolical , you cannot deny be very ancient : and do not Epiphanius and Saint Austin recount it among the Heresies of Aerius , that he affirmd , Bishop and Presbyter were the same thing ? Aerius cum esset Bresbyter ( saith Saint Austin ) doluisse fertur , quod Episcopus non potuit Haeres . 53. ordinari , &c. Aerius being a Presbyter , resented his disappointment of a Bishoprick ; and to satisfie his humour of revenge , would needs assert , that they are the same office . Thus for ought I can see , your Presbyterian Ancestors had no Mission at all , or no more then other Dissenters , who all derive themselves from Christ and his Apostles , from the Spirit of God , &c. Sleidan a Protestant Historian reports in his Commentaries , that Luther , hearing of the multitudes assembled , by Thomas Muncer the famous Prophet of the Anabaptists , wrote an Epistle to the Magistrates of Mulhusen a City in Germany , where the said Muncer remained , advising them to require of him , who sent him to Preach the Gospel ? and if he answered God , that he evidence it by some sign or extraordinary token ; otherwise that he be rejected , hoc enim proprium & familiare est Deo ( said Luther ) ut quoties consuetam & ordinariam viam velit immutari , tum voluntatem suam aliquo signo declaret . The same quaere , Sir , you may at your leisure do us the favour to resolve in reference to your self . You cannot alas ! plead any necessity to Reform Episcopacy , but all the other Sects will plead the same to Reform you . Nor will it relieve you to say , that by this Argument the Jewish Church rejected Christ and his Apostles : The case not being the same betwixt Christ and the Jewish Church , and between us and you . To satisfie the Jews and their question , By what authority doest thou these things ? Our blessed Saviour appeals to the Miracles which he wrought , If you believe not me , believe the works which I do . Nor will it avail you to return the question upon our selves , who sent us to Reform the Church of Rome ? This truly is no answer , but a desiring us to answer for you . Be plkas'd to know then that the Church of England was never of your froward and uncharitable humor in relation to that Church , to Reform our selves ( saith Mr. Hooker ) is not to sever from the Church we were of before , Eccles . Pol. Lib. 3. Sect. 1. We are very sensible of their Errors , and yet we confess with St. Austin , there is no just necessity to divide the Unity of the Catholick Church ; because Separations in the Church tend to no other end , but to discredit the Christian Religion , and render it less considerable , if not contemptible to its Adversaries , Turks and Infidels : He that will admit no Church ( saith Primate Bramhall ) but that which is spotless , with Acesius , must provide a Ladder for himself to climb alone to Heaven . But as to your Party ( Sir ) I pray who gave them any Authority to Preach their Reformation to these Kingdomes ? Give me leave to observe to you this passage in the Racovian Catechism there I remember the question is put , Num ii qui docent in ecclesia ( Sociniana ) ut singulari aliqua ratione mittantur opus habent ? Whether the Preachers of Socinian Doctrine , have need of any extraordinary mission ? The Answer is , Nullo modo , quia nullam novam , nec inauditam afferunt doctrinam , &c. That is not at all , because Socinians preach no new nor strange Doctrine , but that onely which is Primitive and declared in the Holy Scriptures . The same is affirmed by Mr. Calvin concerning his own Reformation in the Preface to his Institutions , which the Lutherans ( you know ) will by no means admit for truth : See Conradus Scluselburg de Theologia Calvinistarum . Indeed it had been somewhat , if it were not the matter in question ; or if Socinians , Behemists , and all the Sects that ever molested the Church , did not urge as much for themselvs , boasting of Gospel truth . To say that your Party agree with us in all the Vital Articles of Religion , is to say what perhaps few of you believe ; for I doubt not ( if opportunity serv'd ) every Sect of you would advance its respective Religion , as if that onely were Gospel , and all other but Lyes and Superstition : Or if you do believe it , the more is your unhappiness to molest the Church about opinions , which you do not esteem of any vital importance . I wish I could oblige you to consider , whether you ought to take upon you to Reform , that is , suppress the universal order of Christs Church by Bishops &c. Banish all ancient Liturgies ; the use of the Creed , the Lords prayer , and ten Commandments out of your publique Devotions ; all Anniversary Solemnities of Christs Nativity , Resurrection , &c. all Reverence or Kneeling at the holy Sacraments of Christs Body and Blood ; revile the Church ( whereof I cannot say , you but your Ancestors , were made Members by Baptism ) with the Names of Superstition and Idolatry . Preach your desperate Doctrine of absolute Reprobation , and the impossibility of keeping Gods Commandments ; introduce your own extemporary inventions instead of Liturgy : Levy Warr against your Soveraign ; and all this without any Authority ! For all these strange things I should think , Sir , your Ancestors had but need of some extraordinary Mission . But perhaps you will Answer and tell us , That there have been extraordinary Prophets sent into the World without Miracles , as John the Baptist : And 2ly , That Miracles are no certain Signs of true Prophets . As for John the Baptist , you may remember the words of the Angel , Luke 2. 15. he was filled with the Holy Ghost from his Mothers Womb ; he shall go before in the Spirit and power of Elias ( a Character to which your Brethren will not pretend ) he was a person prophesied of many Ages before his Birth , Isa . 40. 3. The Voice of one crying in the Wilderness , make strait the way of the Lord , &c. 2ly , That Miracles are no certain Evidences of true Prophets ; because there shall arise false Christs and false Prophets , which shall shew great Signs and Wonders , insomuch that if it were possible , they shall deceive the very Elect : Wherefore if they shall say unto you , behold he is in the Desert , go not forth ; behold he is in the secret Chambers , believe it not , Math. 24. 24. That false Prophets can work any miracle but deceptio visus , I do not believe . The meaning of our Saviours words is this , That if any other Prophet after him shall arise , assuming to be that Christ or Messias sent from God , though he may pretend to strange things , believe him not , go not forth after him . If new Prophets , Sir , though they come with a shew of miracles , are to be suspected ; shall we presently receive all the Preachers of new Lights , that have not so much as the pretence ? I find a late Writer asserting , That in holy Scripture , there be two marks by which together , not asunder , a true Prophet or one newly sent from God is to be known : One is the doing of miracles ; The other is the not teaching any moral Doctrine adverse to that which hath been already preach'd of old : Asunder ( he saith ) neither of these is sufficient : and for proof alledgeth two places of Scripture , Deut. 13. 1 , 2 , 3. compared with Matth. 24. 24. Our blessed Saviour and his Apostles fulfilled both these marks , First , in their Miracles , Acts 2. 22. Secondly , they taught no Doctrine of Morality , opposite to that which they found already established . Christ came not to destroy the Law , but to fulfil it , saying none other things , then what Moses and the Prophets did say should come to pass . But he Preached a Doctrine , which had all the obliging Characters of Vertue and Goodness , of Peace and Love ; witness his excellent Sermon on the Mount ; non vox hominem sonat . There he presses the necessity of Moral Goodness , and keeping the Commandments of God ; otherwise methinks then Calvin hath done : I shall instance a remarkable passage in the Second Book of his Institutions , the seventh Chapter and fifth Section . Quod autem impossibilem legis observationem diximus , id est paucis verbis explicandum simul & confirmandum ; Solet enim vulgo absurdissima sententia videri , ut Hieronimus non dubitavit Anathema illi denunciare : at quid visum sit Jeronimo , nihil moror : impossibile appello , quod nec fuit unquam , & ne in posterum sit , Dei ordinatione & decreto impeditur . I shall now ( saith he ) explain and confirm what I have said of the impossibility to observe the Commandments : which commonly seems a very absurd assertion ; insomuch that Jerom doubted not to denounce it accursed : but what seemed to him I do not care , I call that impossible which never was , and which God hath decreed that it never shall be . Vertuous Doctrine ! if the Commandments be impossible , and that God hath decreed them so , nemo tenetur ad impossibile , Alas ! we are of our selves too prone to take an allowance of Sin , without this License from Mr. Calvin . To be short , the Church of God may and ought to reform themselves in case of error , or corruption of manners : But if we once admit others to do it , unauthoriz'd or unsent , we open a wide door to all Sects and Heresies ; and another consequence is , we shall rest no where ; but be tossed too and fro , ( as Saint Paul speaks ) and carryed about with every wind of Doctrine , with the various lights of all Pretenders : This , one would think , hath been apparent enough in the experience of our Age. Not that we deny our need of amendment and Reformation in this World of imperfection ; but we give heed to the admonition of our blessed Saviour , John 10. 1. Verily I say unto you , he that enters not by the door into the Sheepfold , but climbeth up some other way , the same is a Theif and a Robber : not entring in at the door , signifies entring without any Authority , either extraordinary , when the Doctrines are new and strange , or ordinary , when they are already known and confest . For grant ( saith Bishop Sanderson ) for the suppression of Idolatry , in case the Church will not do her Office , that it is lawful for any unauthoriz'd Persons ( such as Knox , &c. ) to take upon them to reform what they think amiss ; there can be no sufficient cause given , why by the same reason , and upon the same grounds , they may not take upon them to make Laws , raise Forces , administer Justice , execute Malefactors ( Malignants ) or do any other thing the Magistrate should do , in case the Magistrate slack to do his duty : which if it were once granted , ( as granted it must be , in case your Presbyterian Reformation be justifiable ) every wise man seeth the end can be no other but vast Anarchy , and confusion both in Church and Common-wealth : whereupon must un avoidably follow the speedy subversion both of Religion and State. Second Sermon ad Clerum on Rom 38. This is our present case ; you a private Person , pretending to no extraordinary things , say all things are amiss ; the Magistrate ( and he a Christian too ) is of opinion , yea , perswaded in his Conscience , that you do all things amiss ; who shall be Judge ? The Scripture ; 't is a ridiculous answer . The Scripture is a Law ; and no Law can ever pronounce either for one or t'other , but in the mouth of some Judg. From all these premises I perswade my self , your Ancestors were no Prophets sent from God , but intruded themselves into the Divine Function : and ( as the Prophet speaks ) they followed their own Spirits , and prophecy'd out of their own hearts . To add one word more , consider all the Prophets mentioned in Holy Scripture , Samuel , Elias , Isaiah , Jeremy , Hosea , &c. At the beginning of their Prophecies , that the World might understand their Divine Mission , they usually declare how and in what manner they received it , Isa . 6. the first and second Chap. of Jer. So as their Authority was confessed , when the matter of their Prophecies was little regarded . Some of them were qualified extraordinarily with the power of Miracles , prophesie of future events , &c. others had the ordinary License from the Schools of the Prophets . In the New Testament , our blessed Saviour and his Apostles , beside the internal excellency of their Doctrine , gave the World sufficient external evidence that they were persons sent from God ; and whereas you say , that you Preach no other Doctrine then that of Christ and his Apostles , it is the answer of Socinians , Anabaptists , &c. and will serve every mans turn as well as yours . But in the last place , cannot you justifie your selves by the Sobriety and vertue of your Lives ? By the Loyalty of your Actions ? It is a great controversie , and I shall not take upon me to pronounce my own sence of it ; but you have heard of King James his opinion in the matter , Ego a Puritanis non solum a nativitate continuo vexatus sui , verum etiam in ipso matris utero propemodum extinctus , antequam in Lucem editus fui . I have been disquieted ( saith he ) by the Puritans from my Mothers Womb , &c. And his Son the blessed King Charles the First , from a certain intimate acquaintance with your Party , writes thus to our present Soveraign King Charles the Second ; If ever you stand in need of them , or must stand to their courtesie , you are undone ; you may never expect less of Loyalty , Justice , or Humanity , then from those who engage into Religious Rebellion ; under the colours of piety , ambitious policies march , not only with greatest security , but applause , as to the Populacy ; you may hear from them Jacobs voice , but you shall feel they have Esau's hands . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Chap. 27. Thus I have given you the reasons of my dissatisfaction , cerning the validity of your Presbyterian Mission ; and I must confess that I have here expressed only some wishes , not any hopes of convincing you ; all my expectation is , that perhaps some unprejudic'd persons will believe , that your Presbyterian KIRK hath no advantage , in point of a solid Foundation , over Independents , Anabaptists , &c. If instead of a pertinent answer to all this discourse , you shall please to pass your censure on the Author , and say that he is some Papist ; I must reply to you in the words of the excellent Bishop Sanderson concerning the Puritan Preachers . Some of them , especially such as betake themselves to preaching betimes , and have not the leisure and opportunity to look much into controversies , understand very little of the true state of the question betwixt the Church of Rome and us ; and yet to shew their Zeal against Popery , are forward enough to be medling with it in the Pulpit ; but with so much weakness and impertinency , that they leave the question worse then they found it ; and the hearer , if he brought any doubts with him , to go from Sermon more dissatisfi'd then he came . Preface to 14. Sermons , Printed Anno 1657. Sect. 18. Now , if you please , let us confer a few words about some others matters , first , concerning that principle of yours , that nothing is to be done about the Worship and Service of God , without express warrant or precept in the holy Scriptures : and I pray inform me where has our blessed Saviour or his Apostles enjoyned a Directory for publick prayer ? Hath the Spirit any need of a Directory ? what Divine warrant can you produce for your Singing to God in a set Form , & refusing to pray in a set Form ? for speaking to him your sudden and extemporary thoughts , but speaking to the people with a studied and composed Sermon ? In which of the Gospels are to be found those three significant Ceremonies required at the taking your solemn League & Covenant ? First , that we must be uncovered . Secondly , that we must stand up . Thirdly , with our right hand lift up bare ? what express Scripture have you for your form of publick pennance , called the stool of repentance ? This principle of yours ( as hath been already observed by the Friendly debate ) makes that unlawful which the Scripture allows ; in which we find many holy men doing those things ( without any censure ) in Gods worship , which he had no where commended ; for instance , what Commandment had David for his Design of building a Temple ? Or Solomon for keeping a Feast of seven days for the Dedication of the Altar ? For erecting an Altar to be ascended by steps ? expressly forbidden in the 20. of Exod. verse 26. Thou shalt not go up by steps unto mine Altar . Or what warrant had Hezekiah for continuing the Feast of unleavened bread seven days longer then the time appointed by the Law ? 2 Chron. 30. 23. If you say that all these things possibly were warranted , though not by Scripture ; but now Scripture warrant is necessary , since extraordinary inspirations are ceas'd : I pray tell us what Scripture have you for this very assertion , That extraordinary inspirations are ceas'd ? In a word , This Principle of yours , makes the worship of God impossible : The time , the place , the Vesture in which it shall be performed , being no where appointed : Do not the Quakers retort it upon your selves ? Demanding Scripture for standing in a Pulpit , for Preaching upon a Text , and that by an hour-glass , stinting the Spirit ; for wearing a Cloak or Gown , &c. Another thing I would intreat you to reflect upon , is the reason of your displeasure at the temporal Revenues and encouragement of the Church of England ; that which Dissenters ( if I understand them aright ) would be at , is this , that the Clergy be reduced to their primitive poverty and dependance on the People ; and methinks Judas hath very well expressed their sence , John 12. 4. To what purpose , is all this waste of precious ointment on the feet of Christ ? might it not have been sold for three hundred pence , and given to the poor ? This he said , not that he cared for the poor , but because he had the bag , and was a Thief . They do not consider , how many vertues there are requisite in a Church-man , which can have no place in the house of Scarcity ; how little exemplary charity , temperance or humility can be expected from a narrow estate : that we cannot say , he is a temperat man , who is so , having scarcely wherewithal to satisfie his thirst : or an humble person , whose fortune gives him small temptation to be proud . Are not all Christians under the same obligations of humility and contempt of Riches as the Clergy ? Lay not up for your selves treasures upon Earth , was said to all ; and is it not true in experience , that the poverty of Priests must be attended with ignorance or very slender knowledg ? The necessities of our blessed Saviour and his Apostles upon Earth , were supply'd by Miracles ; and therefore their case and our's not the same . Give me leave to commend to your consideration , those excellent words of King Charles the First , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Chap. 14. The conclusion of the War , makes it evident , that the main Reformation intended , was the Robbing the Church of its Lands , and the abasing of Episcopacy into Presbytery ; but no necessity shall ever , I hope , drive me or mine to invade or sell the Priests Lands , which even Pharoah 's Divinity abhorred to do . If the poverty of Scotland might , yet the plenty of England cannot excuse the envy and rapine of the Church Lands . The next work will be Jeroboam 's Reformation , Consecrating the meanest of the people to be Priests in Israel , to serve their Golden Calves , who have enriched themselves with the Churches Patrimony . Again , be pleas'd to reflect on your displeasure at the Liturgy of the Church of England . Some of you are for no Forms at all ; others are for Liturgy , but it must be reformed . In the History of the Reign of Queen Elizabeth , this passage is observable : four Classes of Presbyterians , complained of the Liturgy to the Lord Burleigh then Secretary of State ; his Lordship bad them go and make a better ; whereupon the first Classis went and fram'd a new one , somewhat near that of Geneva ; this the second Classis dislikes , and alters in six hundred particulars ; which alteration was excepted against by the third Classis ; and what the third resolved upon , the fourth would not consent to : Thus your Party expect a satisfaction about the worship of God , which is impossible to be given you . As to your praying by the Spirit , there is a certain doubt in it , which hitherto none of you would do us the favour to resolve : Either you mean praying by the Spirit of God , or by your own Spirits ; if you conceive the words and matter of your prayer by the dictate of the Holy Ghost , then are your prayers as much the word of God as any of David's Psalms , or as any part of the Bible ; and , being written from your mouths , may become Canonical Scripture . If by praying with the Spirit , you only mean that you are inspir'd with devout affections , then there is nothing in your prayers , but what others may pretend to , as well as your selves . In brief , Since you do not pretend to entertain your people with immediate inspirations , you oblige them to a Service they know not what ; to offer up prayers , whereof they know not a syllable , nor your self neither , before you begin : if you know them before hand , either for matter or words , then they cannot be extempore , as you would have the people believe ; peradventure the reason why the people fancy your prayers , is , their variety ; they love not to go where they must be always entertain'd with the same expressions ; but if the sence of our own infirmities ( which are always the same ) cannot oblige us to pray , why should a set of new words do it ? Consider those words of the blessed Martyr King Charles the First . Some men are so impatient , not to use in all their devotions their own invention and gifts , that they wholly cast away and contemn the Lords Prayer . I ever thought that the proud Ostentation of mens own Abilities for Invention , and the vain affectation of variety for expressions in publick prayer , merits a greater brand of Sin , then that which they call coldness or barrenness ; nor are men in those novelties , less subject to formal and superficial tempers ( as to their hearts ) then in the use of constant forms , where not the words , but mens hearts are to blame . I make no doubt but a man may be very formal in the most extemporary variety , and very fervently devout in the most wonted expressions : Nor is God more a God of variety , then of constancy ; nor are constant forms of prayer , more likely to flat and hinder the Spirit of prayer , then unpremeditated and confused variety , to distract and lose it . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A32107-e270 In vita Calvini . His Commandments are not grievous , 1 John 5. 3. In praefacione Monitoria . About the Year 1585. See the friendly debate . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉