Groanes for liberty· Presented from the Presbyterian (formerly non-conforming) brethren, reputed the ablest and most learned among them, in some treatises called Smectymnuus, to the high and Honorable Court of Parliament in the yeare 1641, by reason of the prelates tyranny. Now awakened and presented to themselves in the behalf of their now non-conforming brethren. With a beam of light, discovering a way to peace. Also some quæres for the better understanding of Mr Edwards last book called Gangræna. With a parallel betweene the prelacy and presbytery. / By Iohn Saltmarsh preacher of the Gospel.
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             Groanes for liberty· Presented from the Presbyterian (formerly non-conforming) brethren, reputed the ablest and most learned among them, in some treatises called Smectymnuus, to the high and Honorable Court of Parliament in the yeare 1641, by reason of the prelates tyranny. Now awakened and presented to themselves in the behalf of their now non-conforming brethren. With a beam of light, discovering a way to peace. Also some quæres for the better understanding of Mr Edwards last book called Gangræna. With a parallel betweene the prelacy and presbytery. / By Iohn Saltmarsh preacher of the Gospel.
             Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647.
             Smectymnuus.
          
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           THese
           
             Groanes
             for
             Liberty
             ,
          
           out
           of
           
             Smectymnuus
          
           his
           own
           mouth
           ,
           I
           approve
           to
           be
           printed
           .
        
         
           
             IOHN
             BACHILER
             .
          
           
             Febr.
             27.
             1645.
             
          
        
      
       
         
           If
           any
           are
           ignorant
           who
           this
           
             Smectymnuus
          
           is
           ,
           
             
               Stephen
               Marshall
            
             
               Edmund
               Calamy
            
             
               Thomas
               Young
            
             
               Matthew
               Newcomen
            
             
               VVilliam
               Spurstow
            
          
           can
           tell
           you
           .
        
      
       
       
         
           GROANES
           FOR
           LIBERTY
           .
           PRESENTED
           From
           the
           Presbyterian
           (
           formerly
           Non-conforming
           )
           Brethren
           ,
           reputed
           the
           ablest
           and
           most
           learned
           among
           them
           ,
           in
           some
           Treatises
           called
           
             Smectymnuus
             ,
          
           to
           the
           high
           and
           Honorable
           Court
           of
           Parliament
           in
           the
           yeare
           1641
           ,
           by
           reason
           of
           the
           Prelates
           Tyranny
           .
           Now
           awakened
           and
           presented
           to
           themselves
           in
           the
           behalf
           of
           their
           now
           Non-conforming
           Brethren
           .
           WITH
           A
           BEAM
           of
           LIGHT
           ,
           discovering
           a
           way
           to
           peace
           .
           ALSO
           SOME
           QVAERES
           For
           the
           better
           understanding
           of
           Mr
           
             Edwards
          
           last
           Book
           called
           GANGRAENA
           .
           With
           a
           PARALLEL
           betweene
           the
           PRELACY
           and
           PRESBYTERY
           .
        
         
           By
           IOHN
           SALTMARSH
           Preacher
           of
           the
           Gospel
           .
        
         
           
             Mat.
             18.
             32
             ,
             33.
             
          
           I
           forgave
           thee
           all
           that
           debt
           because
           thou
           desiredst
           me
           ;
           Shouldst
           not
           thou
           also
           have
           had
           compassion
           on
           thy
           fellow
           servant
           ,
           even
           as
           I
           had
           pity
           on
           thee
           ?
        
         
           
             London
             ,
          
           Printed
           for
           
             Giles
             Calvert
             ,
          
           at
           the
           black
           spread-Eagle
           at
           the
           West
           end
           of
           
             Pauls
             ,
          
           1646.
           
        
      
       
       
       
         
           TO
           THE
           HONORABLE
           THE
           KNIGHTS
           ,
           CITIZENS
           ,
           and
           BURGESSES
           of
           the
           House
           of
           COMMONS
           IN
           
             PARLIAMENT
             .
          
        
         
           
             Honorable
             ,
          
        
         
           I
           Here
           present
           you
           with
           some
           
             Notions
          
           of
           the
           Brethren
           of
           the
           
             Presbyterian
             Way
             ,
          
           which
           were
           presented
           to
           your
           HOUSE
           some
           foure
           or
           five
           yeares
           since
           ;
           wherein
           they
           doe
           in
           much
           strength
           and
           piety
           ,
           as
           it
           seems
           to
           me
           ,
           open
           the
           way
           and
           secrets
           of
           
             Spirituall
             Tyranny
             ,
          
           and
           
             Conscience-yoaks
             ;
          
           there
           is
           some
           occasion
           now
           of
           reminding
           the
           Brethren
           of
           these
           ,
           because
           the
           straine
           of
           their
           preaching
           and
           printing
           seems
           to
           have
           forgotten
           these
           
             principles
             :
          
           Spirituall
           Yoaks
           and
           Burdens
           
           being
           taken
           off
           from
           us
           (
           through
           the
           hand
           of
           God
           upon
           ye
           )
           the
           
             memory
          
           of
           them
           seems
           to
           be
           gone
           off
           too
           from
           some
           ;
           some
           have
           forgotten
           that
           they
           
             were
             strangers
             in
             the
             Land
             of
             Egypt
             ;
          
           the
           Lord
           hath
           seemed
           
             to
             forgive
             the
             formerly
             Nonconforming
             Brethren
             all
             their
             debt
             ,
             because
             they
             desired
             him
             :
          
           And
           now
           the
           Question
           is
           ,
           
             Whether
             they
             should
             have
             compassion
             on
             their
             fellow
             servants
             as
             he
             had
             pity
             on
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           The
           Controversy
           now
           before
           ye
           ,
           is
           of
           all
           your
           Faithfull
           ones
           ,
           and
           therefore
           it
           cals
           for
           the
           tenderst
           judgement
           :
           fathers
           may
           better
           beat
           servants
           then
           children
           out
           of
           doores
           ;
           the
           one
           sort
           (
           if
           I
           mistake
           not
           )
           contend
           that
           they
           may
           rule
           with
           ye
           ,
           the
           other
           ,
           that
           they
           may
           be
           ruled
           by
           ye
           in
           the
           things
           of
           your
           own
           Kingdom
           ;
           and
           in
           that
           of
           the
           Kingdom
           of
           God
           ,
           that
           Iesus
           Christ
           may
           rule
           both
           ye
           and
           them
           :
           how
           just
           ,
           how
           spirituall
           ,
           this
           latter
           plea
           is
           ,
           will
           appeare
           from
           the
           choycest
           Reasonings
           of
           some
           in
           reputation
           with
           ye
           ,
           which
           I
           have
           awakened
           .
        
         
           The
           things
           I
           present
           ye
           ,
           I
           would
           not
           presume
           to
           make
           too
           positive
           ,
           because
           I
           would
           not
           conclude
           a
           wisdome
           of
           your
           latitude
           under
           any
           notion
           of
           mine
           ,
           (
           though
           I
           see
           private
           men
           take
           too
           much
           liberty
           in
           that
           way
           towards
           ye
           )
           though
           it
           is
           your
           indulgence
           not
           to
           know
           it
           .
        
         
           I
           here
           present
           ye
           things
           only
           to
           be
           
             considered
             ,
          
           to
           be
           
             quared
             ,
          
           in
           the
           behalfe
           of
           
             truth
          
           and
           the
           advancement
           of
           your
           State
           ,
           to
           which
           I
           am
           covenanted
           ;
           and
           I
           am
           the
           bolder
           and
           freer
           ,
           having
           sold
           
             something
             that
             I
             had
             for
             that
             pearle
             ,
          
           for
           which
           we
           are
           bidden
           
             to
             sell
             all
             :
          
           I
           shall
           adde
           some
           Considerations
           here
           to
           the
           rest
           .
        
         
         
           1
           Consider
           whether
           under
           Popery
           the
           mystery
           of
           the
           Nationall
           
             Priesthood
          
           was
           not
           rather
           held
           up
           by
           the
           power
           of
           Princes
           and
           States
           ▪
           then
           States
           themselves
           by
           such
           a
           way
           of
           power
           ;
           and
           whether
           the
           mystery
           of
           the
           Nationall
           
             Ministery
          
           be
           not
           rather
           held
           up
           by
           the
           power
           of
           States
           now
           ,
           then
           the
           States
           themselves
           in
           such
           a
           way
           of
           power
           ;
           and
           then
           ,
           whether
           all
           the
           
             Pretences
          
           and
           
             Consequences
          
           to
           draw
           in
           States
           and
           Kingdomes
           for
           the
           
             Churches
             interest
          
           (
           if
           clearly
           discussed
           )
           be
           not
           rather
           a
           way
           of
           Antichristian
           mystery
           ,
           then
           of
           zeale
           to
           Religion
           or
           the
           power
           of
           Magistracy
           ?
        
         
           2
           Consider
           whether
           in
           the
           Kingdom
           of
           Jesus
           Christ
           any
           other
           Scepter
           should
           be
           lifted
           up
           then
           that
           golden
           one
           of
           his
           owne
           ,
           and
           whether
           if
           there
           be
           a
           Kingdome
           of
           God
           ,
           if
           Iesus
           Christ
           be
           the
           
             Law-giver
             ,
          
           and
           the
           spirit
           of
           Christ
           the
           Interpreter
           of
           those
           
             Lawes
             ,
          
           and
           this
           Kingdome
           of
           God
           within
           the
           throne
           of
           that
           
             King
          
           of
           
             Kings
             ,
          
           and
           
             Lord
          
           of
           
             Lords
          
           the
           Lord
           Jesus
           ,
           any
           other
           
             power
          
           should
           rule
           ,
           any
           other
           
             Scepter
             ,
          
           any
           other
           
             Lawes
             ,
          
           or
           any
           other
           sit
           downe
           in
           that
           
             Throne
             ,
          
           which
           is
           only
           the
           
             Throne
          
           of
           the
           
             Son
             of
             David
             ,
             whose
             Throne
             is
             for
             ever
             ,
             the
             scepter
             of
             whose
             Kingdome
             is
             an
             everlasting
             scepter
             ?
          
        
         
           3
           Consider
           whether
           there
           be
           not
           an
           Heathenish
           or
           Gentilish
           world
           ,
           and
           an
           Antichristian
           world
           or
           a
           world
           of
           many
           called
           
             Christians
          
           and
           Believers
           in
           Christ
           ,
           and
           yet
           a
           Church
           of
           Christ
           which
           is
           neither
           of
           these
           ;
           and
           if
           so
           ,
           whether
           is
           all
           this
           Kingdome
           of
           
             England
          
           that
           Church
           of
           Christ
           ,
           or
           not
           rather
           much
           of
           it
           that
           part
           of
           the
           Antichristian
           world
           ,
           over
           which
           one
           part
           of
           the
           
             mystery
             of
             iniquity
          
           
           hath
           sate
           long
           ,
           and
           is
           yet
           upon
           it
           ?
           and
           if
           so
           ,
           then
           is
           there
           not
           roome
           in
           
             England
          
           both
           for
           
             Presbyteriall
             Churches
             ,
          
           and
           
             Believers
          
           of
           other
           wayes
           to
           live
           in
           that
           part
           of
           this
           Kingdome
           which
           is
           the
           world
           ,
           and
           not
           that
           Church
           ?
           and
           if
           so
           ,
           ye
           may
           be
           rich
           in
           people
           ,
           rich
           in
           peace
           ,
           rich
           in
           the
           praises
           of
           the
           people
           of
           God
           .
           Honourable
           ,
           goe
           on
           to
           doe
           
             worthy
             things
          
           for
           our
           Nation
           ,
           as
           
             worthy
             things
          
           have
           been
           done
           by
           you
           ,
           and
           
             may
             ye
             be
             as
             the
             wings
             of
             a
             dove
             covered
             with
             silver
             ,
             and
             her
             feathers
             with
             yellow
             gold
             .
          
        
         
           So
           prayes
           
             Your
             humble
             faithfull
             Servant
             JOHN
             SALTMARSH
             .
          
        
      
       
       
         
           To
           the
           Reverend
           Divines
           of
           the
           Presbyteriall
           way
           .
        
         
           
             Brethren
             ,
          
        
         
           THese
           are
           the
           sighings
           of
           some
           of
           your
           own
           spirits
           under
           
             Episcopacy
             ,
          
           under
           the
           Tyranny
           of
           that
           government
           .
           O
           how
           acute
           and
           sensible
           were
           your
           Iudgements
           and
           Consciences
           then
           of
           the
           usurpation
           ,
           dominion
           ,
           imposed
           forms
           ,
           when
           you
           were
           the
           sufferers
           !
           but
           now
           that
           your
           Brethren
           are
           becom
           the
           Non-conformists
           to
           you
           ,
           as
           you
           were
           Nonconformists
           to
           the
           Prelates
           ;
           and
           you
           the
           imposers
           ,
           and
           your
           Brethren
           the
           sufferers
           ;
           I
           finde
           times
           and
           conditions
           are
           forgotten
           ,
           and
           yoaks
           are
           called
           for
           
             which
             neither
             we
             nor
             our
             fathers
             were
             able
             to
             beare
             .
          
           I
           see
           by
           your
           printings
           and
           preachings
           the
           working
           of
           new
           dispositions
           in
           you
           ,
           and
           
             symptomes
          
           of
           something
           like
           
             Dominion
          
           and
           
             Persecution
             ;
          
           surely
           Brethren
           your
           crying
           out
           thus
           for
           the
           civill
           power
           to
           help
           you
           or
           all
           is
           undone
           ,
           is
           a
           signe
           you
           trust
           not
           to
           the
           
             Gospel
             strength
             ,
          
           nor
           truth
           of
           your
           way
           ,
           but
           to
           the
           arme
           of
           flesh
           .
           Methinks
           of
           late
           your
           
             Sun
          
           is
           turning
           into
           
             darknesse
          
           and
           
             blacknesse
          
           over
           us
           ,
           and
           your
           
             Moon
          
           into
           
             blood
             :
          
           is
           it
           possible
           that
           yoaks
           ,
           burthens
           ,
           whips
           ,
           prisons
           ,
           banishments
           ,
           can
           bee
           so
           soon
           forgotten
           ?
           Can
           Saints
           like
           naturall
           
           men
           see
           their
           faces
           in
           a
           glasse
           ,
           and
           so
           soon
           forget
           what
           manner
           of
           men
           they
           were
           ?
        
         
           I
           have
           here
           reasoned
           with
           you
           in
           your
           owne
           arguments
           ;
           I
           hope
           
             your
             own
          
           arguments
           may
           finde
           accesse
           to
           your
           spirits
           when
           
             ours
          
           cannot
           ;
           men
           are
           sooner
           perswaded
           by
           their
           owne
           reason
           then
           anothers
           .
           O
           that
           the
           same
           sounding
           of
           bowels
           may
           be
           heard
           in
           you
           to
           your
           Brethren
           ,
           that
           yee
           wished
           to
           heare
           in
           others
           who
           were
           once
           your
           task-masters
           !
           What
           
             Ioseph
          
           said
           in
           his
           affliction
           ,
           wee
           shall
           say
           to
           you
           ,
           
             Think
             on
             us
             I
             pray
             you
             when
             it
             shall
             be
             well
             with
             you
             ,
             and
             shew
             kindnesse
             ;
          
           for
           it
           may
           be
           as
           
             Mordecai
          
           said
           ,
           
             yee
             are
             come
             to
             the
             Kingdom
             for
             such
             a
             time
             as
             this
             ;
          
           if
           not
           ,
           enlargement
           and
           deliverance
           shall
           arise
           from
           another
           place
           .
        
         
           
             IOHN
             SALTMARSH
             .
          
        
      
    
     
       
       
         
           GROANES
           FOR
           LIBERTY
           .
        
         
           
             1
             Divisions
             ought
             to
             be
             no
             prejudice
             to
             the
             Truth
             .
          
           
             BVt
             he
             upbraids
             us
             with
             our
             Divisions
             and
             Subdivisions
             ,
             
             and
             so
             doe
             the
             Papists
             upbraid
             the
             Protestants
             with
             their
             Lutheranisme
             ,
             Calvinisme
             ,
             and
             Zuinglianisme
             ;
             and
             this
             is
             that
             the
             Heathens
             objected
             to
             the
             Christians
             ,
             their
             fractures
             were
             so
             many
             they
             knew
             not
             which
             Religion
             to
             chuse
             if
             they
             should
             turne
             Christians
             .
             And
             can
             it
             be
             expected
             ,
             that
             the
             Church
             in
             any
             age
             should
             be
             free
             from
             Divisions
             ,
             when
             the
             times
             of
             the
             Apostles
             were
             not
             free
             ,
             and
             the
             Apostle
             tels
             us
             it
             must
             needs
             be
             that
             there
             be
             Divisions
             ?
             In
             
               Greg.
               Nazian.
            
             his
             dayes
             there
             were
             six
             hundred
             errours
             in
             the
             Church
             ;
             doe
             these
             any
             wayes
             derogate
             from
             the
             Truth
             and
             worth
             of
             Christian
             Religion
             ?
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1
               Whether
               are
               not
               Divisions
               and
               Subdivisions
               objected
               now
               to
               all
               that
               are
               
                 dissenting
                 Brethren
              
               from
               the
               present
               way
               
               of
               
                 Church-government
                 ?
              
               and
               whether
               are
               Divisions
               any
               more
               scandall
               to
               Religion
               now
               then
               before
               ?
            
             
               2
               Whether
               is
               Independency
               ,
               Anabaptism
               ,
               Brownism
               ,
               Seekers
               ,
               of
               more
               evill
               report
               now
               ,
               then
               Lutheranism
               ,
               Calvinism
               ,
               Zuinglianism
               formerly
               ?
            
             
               3
               Whether
               is
               an
               hundred
               and
               eighty
               opinions
               ,
               as
               some
               would
               reckon
               them
               ,
               
               more
               to
               be
               cast
               in
               the
               face
               of
               Religion
               now
               ,
               then
               six
               hundred
               in
               the
               dayes
               of
               
                 Nazianzen
                 ?
              
            
             
               4
               Whether
               is
               this
               faire
               dealing
               for
               Brethren
               to
               make
               Apologies
               for
               divisions
               and
               severall
               opinions
               ,
               when
               they
               are
               oppressed
               ,
               and
               to
               turne
               back
               in
               accusations
               upon
               their
               Brethren
               when
               the
               oppression
               is
               off
               from
               themselves
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             2
             Stinted
             formes
             not
             to
             be
             imposed
             ▪
          
           
             The
             validity
             of
             which
             plea
             your
             Honours
             are
             best
             able
             to
             judge
             ;
             
             and
             therefore
             we
             leave
             it
             at
             your
             Barre
             :
             yet
             these
             two
             things
             we
             know
             ,
             first
             that
             this
             forme
             
               viz.
            
             of
             Liturgy
             ,
             was
             never
             established
             to
             be
             so
             punctually
             observed
             ,
             so
             rigorously
             pressed
             to
             the
             casting
             out
             of
             all
             that
             scruple
             it
             ,
             or
             any
             thing
             in
             it
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               If
               former
               Liturgies
               were
               never
               established
               to
               be
               so
               punctually
               observed
               ,
               why
               is
               there
               such
               pressing
               now
               for
               establishment
               of
               Formes
               ,
               now
               to
               be
               observed
               in
               Worship
               and
               Discipline
               ?
               seeing
               the
               former
               Divines
               walkt
               as
               they
               thought
               by
               as
               true
               a
               light
               
                 then
                 ,
              
               as
               the
               Divines
               of
               this
               age
               doe
               
                 now
                 ?
              
            
             
               2.
               
               If
               Synods
               did
               not
               formerly
               establish
               things
               for
               such
               punctuall
               observations
               ,
               why
               are
               there
               any
               penalties
               ,
               fines
               ,
               imprisonments
               called
               for
               now
               ,
               upon
               non-conformity
               to
               things
               established
               by
               them
               ?
            
             
               3.
               
               Why
               are
               the
               formes
               composed
               now
               so
               rigorously
               pressed
               ,
               Uniformity
               so
               urged
               ,
               when
               such
               practises
               and
               designs
               were
               condemned
               but
               a
               few
               yeares
               since
               ?
               and
               they
               who
               urge
               it
               now
               ,
               would
               scarce
               then
               seem
               to
               believe
               it
               to
               be
               the
               minde
               of
               former
               Synods
               and
               Parliaments
               ?
            
             
             
               4.
               
               If
               things
               were
               not
               to
               be
               rigorously
               pressed
               then
               to
               the
               casting
               out
               of
               any
               that
               scruple
               ,
               why
               now
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             3
             No
             formes
             of
             particular
             men
             to
             be
             imposed
             on
             all
             the
             rest
             .
          
           
             But
             if
             by
             Liturgy
             he
             understand
             prescribed
             and
             stinted
             formes
             of
             administration
             ,
             
             composed
             by
             some
             particular
             men
             in
             the
             Church
             ,
             and
             imposed
             upon
             all
             the
             rest
             (
             as
             this
             we
             must
             understand
             ,
             or
             else
             all
             he
             saith
             is
             nothing
             ;
             )
             we
             desire
             and
             expect
             that
             those
             formes
             which
             he
             saith
             are
             yet
             extant
             and
             ready
             to
             be
             produced
             ,
             might
             once
             appeare
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               If
               Formes
               composed
               by
               particular
               men
               be
               not
               to
               be
               imposed
               on
               all
               the
               rest
               ,
               why
               do
               the
               Brethren
               now
               urge
               upon
               us
               all
               ,
               and
               upon
               all
               the
               Kingdome
               ,
               their
               own
               Uniformity
               and
               Formes
               ,
               since
               theirs
               is
               no
               more
               a
               Truth
               to
               others
               ,
               then
               others
               Formes
               were
               formerly
               a
               Truth
               to
               them
               ?
            
             
               2.
               
               Whether
               one
               Synod
               of
               Divines
               is
               not
               as
               well
               a
               few
               
                 1
              
               ,
               compared
               with
               all
               the
               rest
               of
               the
               Kingdom
               ,
               as
               another
               Synod
               ?
               and
               the
               same
               that
               were
               but
               a
               few
               
                 2
              
               six
               years
               since
               ,
               or
               sixty
               years
               since
               ,
               but
               a
               few
               
                 3
              
               still
               ,
               unlesse
               the
               same
               numbers
               and
               accounts
               alter
               by
               yeares
               and
               seasons
               ?
               and
               if
               so
               ,
               what
               reason
               is
               there
               for
               ones
               imposing
               more
               then
               anothers
               ,
               since
               Truth
               is
               no
               more
               to
               be
               reckoned
               by
               multitudes
               and
               Synods
               in
               one
               age
               ,
               then
               in
               another
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             4
             No
             binding
             to
             the
             use
             of
             Composed
             Formes
             .
          
           
             All
             other
             Reformed
             Churches
             ,
             though
             they
             use
             Liturgies
             ,
             
             yet
             do
             not
             binde
             Ministers
             to
             the
             use
             of
             them
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               Why
               doe
               any
               Reformed
               Churches
               now
               undertake
               to
               binde
               any
               to
               the
               use
               of
               their
               Formes
               ,
               seeing
               the
               Churches
               formerly
               durst
               not
               usurp
               it
               ?
               and
               why
               under
               penalties
               now
               more
               then
               before
               ?
            
             
               2.
               
               Whether
               is
               that
               lawfull
               now
               which
               was
               not
               foure
               years
               since
               ,
               and
               for
               these
               Brethren
               to
               doe
               ,
               which
               was
               unlawfull
               for
               their
               Predecessors
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             5
             Severe
             imposing
             ,
             a
             sinne
             and
             a
             snare
             .
          
           
             That
             which
             makes
             many
             refuse
             to
             be
             present
             at
             our
             Church
             service
             ,
             
             is
             not
             only
             the
             Liturgy
             it selfe
             ,
             but
             the
             imposing
             it
             upon
             Ministers
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1
               If
               imposing
               of
               Forms
               was
               a
               
                 snare
              
               before
               ,
               how
               comes
               it
               to
               be
               
                 none
              
               now
               ?
            
             
               2
               If
               Ministers
               were
               not
               to
               be
               
                 compelled
                 then
                 ,
              
               why
               are
               they
               to
               be
               
                 compelled
                 now
                 ?
              
            
          
        
         
           
             6
             Liberty
             in
             use
             of
             Formes
             breeds
             no
             disturbance
             .
          
           
             
               Obj.
            
             If
             it
             be
             objected
             that
             this
             will
             breed
             divisions
             and
             disturbances
             in
             the
             Churches
             ,
             
          
           
             
               Ans.
            
             It
             hath
             not
             bred
             any
             disturbance
             in
             other
             Reformed
             Churches
             .
          
           
             Why
             should
             the
             free
             liberty
             of
             using
             or
             not
             using
             breed
             more
             confusion
             ,
             then
             the
             free
             liberty
             of
             reading
             or
             not
             reading
             Homilies
             ,
             especially
             when
             Ministers
             shall
             teach
             people
             not
             to
             condemne
             one
             another
             in
             things
             indifferent
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1
               How
               comes
               it
               to
               passe
               that
               
                 liberty
              
               in
               the
               use
               of
               
                 Formes
              
               bred
               no
               
                 disturbances
              
               before
               ,
               and
               yet
               now
               all
               is
               pretended
               to
               be
               undone
               if
               uniformity
               be
               not
               preserved
               ?
            
             
               2
               Why
               are
               Divines
               more
               jealous
               of
               conscientious
               and
               inoffensive
               liberty
               now
               that
               the
               Government
               is
               comming
               into
               their
               own
               hands
               ,
               then
               when
               it
               was
               in
               their
               predecessors
               ?
            
             
               3
               If
               Brethren
               are
               not
               to
               condemn
               one
               another
               in
               things
               
                 indifferent
                 ,
              
               why
               do
               they
               teach
               now
               a
               
                 Persecution
              
               to
               all
               that
               conform
               not
               to
               things
               
                 indifferent
              
               only
               ,
               but
               unlawfull
               ,
               as
               all
               parts
               in
               Worship
               and
               Government
               are
               ,
               which
               are
               
                 Devices
              
               of
               men
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             7
             No
             set
             Formes
             for
             the
             first
             300
             years
             .
          
           
             For
             Christian
             Liturgies
             which
             the
             Remonstrant
             had
             affirmed
             to
             have
             beene
             the
             best
             improvement
             of
             the
             peace
             and
             happinesse
             of
             the
             Evangelicall
             Church
             ever
             since
             the
             Apostles
             times
             ,
             
             we
             chalenged
             the
             Remonstrant
             ,
             setting
             aside
             those
             that
             are
             confessedly
             spurious
             ,
             to
             produce
             any
             Liturgy
             that
             was
             the
             issue
             of
             the
             first
             300
             yeares
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               If
               solemne
               and
               
                 set-formes
              
               and
               
                 Directories
              
               were
               excepted
               against
               ,
               and
               accused
               then
               as
               no
               friend
               to
               the
               peace
               and
               happinesse
               of
               Churches
               ,
               why
               are
               they
               made
               now
               the
               choicest
               meanes
               of
               peace
               and
               unity
               ,
               and
               all
               those
               Churches
               condemned
               as
               erroneous
               that
               are
               without
               them
               ?
            
             
               2.
               
               If
               no
               set-formes
               can
               be
               produced
               as
               the
               issue
               of
               the
               first
               300
               yeers
               ,
               why
               are
               they
               continued
               still
               
                 *
              
               ,
               which
               have
               neither
               precept
               from
               Scriptures
               ,
               nor
               president
               from
               Apostles
               or
               Primitive
               practise
               to
               warrant
               them
               ?
               why
               are
               the
               crimes
               and
               will-worship
               of
               forefathers
               condemned
               by
               their
               children
               ,
               yet
               
               afterwards
               taken
               up
               ?
               the
               fathers
               eate
               sowre
               grapes
               ,
               and
               the
               childrens
               teeth
               are
               set
               on
               edge
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             8.
             
             Things
             that
             even
             offend
             Anabaptists
             are
             to
             be
             removed
             .
          
           
             It
             is
             under
             carefull
             hands
             and
             hearts
             more
             mercifull
             ,
             
               viz.
            
             
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             then
             this
             Remonstrant
             is
             ,
             (
             to
             remit
             troubled
             consciences
             to
             no
             better
             cure
             then
             Mr.
             
             
               Fishers
            
             book
             )
             who
             we
             hope
             will
             do
             by
             those
             as
             the
             
               Helvetians
            
             did
             by
             some
             things
             that
             were
             stumbled
             at
             amongst
             them
             ,
             though
             there
             were
             none
             but
             Anabaptists
             that
             stumbled
             at
             them
             ,
             yet
             the
             State
             did
             by
             Authority
             remove
             them
             ,
             and
             
               Zuinglius
            
             their
             professed
             adversary
             gives
             them
             thanks
             for
             occasioning
             the
             removall
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               Why
               may
               not
               the
               Brethren
               look
               for
               better
               cure
               to
               their
               troubled
               consciences
               from
               the
               State
               now
               ,
               then
               from
               some
               of
               their
               brethren
               ,
               because
               the
               hands
               and
               hearts
               of
               the
               State
               have
               appeared
               more
               carefull
               ,
               more
               mercifull
               then
               some
               of
               them
               ?
               the
               
                 Priests
              
               and
               
                 Levites
              
               walke
               by
               ,
               while
               the
               
                 good
                 Samaritans
              
               comfort
               the
               wounded
            
             
               2.
               
               If
               the
               State
               of
               the
               
                 Helvetians
              
               would
               not
               offend
               the
               very
               
                 Anabaptists
                 ,
              
               but
               remove
               the
               scandall
               :
               why
               should
               any
               State
               now
               be
               set
               on
               and
               inflamed
               not
               only
               to
               offend
               ,
               but
               persecute
               them
               ;
               nor
               onely
               
                 Anabaptists
              
               as
               they
               are
               called
               ,
               but
               all
               other
               their
               Brethren
               that
               dissent
               ?
               If
               States
               are
               commended
               then
               for
               being
               so
               tender
               ,
               why
               are
               they
               preached
               now
               into
               severity
               ,
               wrath
               ,
               revenge
               ,
               and
               tender
               troubled
               consciences
               made
               the
               onely
               trouble
               ?
            
          
        
         
         
           
             9.
             
             Rigour
             makes
             Separatists
             .
          
           
             But
             we
             thinke
             ,
             nay
             we
             know
             that
             some
             few
             Prelates
             by
             their
             over-rigorous
             pressing
             have
             made
             more
             Separatists
             then
             all
             the
             Preachers
             dis-affected
             to
             Ceremonies
             in
             
               England
               .
            
             
          
           
             
               Quaere
            
             
               1.
               
               If
               it
               hath
               appeared
               formerly
               that
               rigorous
               imposings
               have
               occasioned
               
                 Separation
                 ,
              
               why
               doe
               they
               now
               cry
               out
               of
               so
               many
               
                 Separatists
                 ,
              
               and
               not
               look
               up
               to
               themselves
               ?
               Why
               do
               they
               beat
               their
               fellow-servants
               out
               of
               doors
               ,
               and
               then
               cry
               out
               of
               their
               running
               away
               ?
            
             
               2.
               
               Why
               is
               not
               persecution
               and
               imposing
               more
               forborn
               by
               the
               
                 Brethren
              
               now
               ,
               when
               they
               have
               found
               it
               the
               cause
               of
               their
               own
               
                 Separation
              
               formerly
               ?
            
             
               3.
               
               Why
               do
               they
               cry
               out
               of
               
                 Separatists
                 ,
              
               when
               they
               see
               
                 Separatists
              
               have
               not
               so
               much
               made
               themselves
               so
               ,
               as
               they
               have
               been
               made
               so
               by
               others
               ,
               and
               they
               have
               been
               rather
               driven
               away
               ,
               then
               they
               have
               drawn
               away
               themselves
               ?
               why
               do
               they
               cry
               out
               of
               of
               Separation
               ,
               when
               they
               force
               them
               into
               corners
               first
               ,
               if
               they
               would
               have
               the
               communion
               of
               their
               Brethren
               more
               ,
               why
               make
               they
               not
               their
               persecution
               lesse
               ,
               and
               their
               offences
               in
               worship
               and
               government
               lesse
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             10.
             
             Burthens
             to
             Churches
             to
             be
             removed
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             mean
             we
             blesse
             God
             who
             hath
             put
             into
             the
             hearts
             of
             others
             into
             whose
             hands
             he
             hath
             concredited
             the
             work
             to
             judge
             more
             wisely
             ,
             
             and
             consider
             more
             mercifully
             ,
             and
             to
             professe
             in
             the
             hearing
             of
             some
             of
             us
             ,
             they
             would
             willingly
             part
             with
             that
             which
             was
             indifferent
             to
             themselves
             ,
             if
             they
             were
             but
             truly
             informed
             it
             was
             offensive
             to
             others
             ,
             according
             to
             that
             of
             
               Gregory
               ,
            
             those
             customes
             which
             are
             known
             to
             bring
             any
             burthens
             upon
             the
             Churches
             ,
             it
             becomes
             us
             to
             consider
             of
             the
             remooving
             of
             them
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Why
               may
               not
               the
               State
               to
               be
               petitioned
               by
               their
               people
               now
               of
               
                 tender
                 Consciences
                 ,
              
               to
               the
               same
               temper
               of
               tendernesle
               and
               mercy
               to
               them
               ,
               that
               the
               
                 Brethren
              
               then
               desired
               for
               themselves
               ?
               whether
               are
               those
               good
               neighbours
               ,
               that
               would
               have
               it
               raine
               onely
               in
               their
               owne
               Gardens
               ,
               and
               the
               Sun
               to
               shine
               only
               on
               their
               owne
               blossomes
               ,
               and
               have
               peace
               only
               in
               their
               own
               dwellings
               ,
               and
               their
               neighbour
               Townes
               running
               with
               blood
               ?
            
             
               2.
               
               Were
               the
               times
               of
               non-conformists
               then
               times
               only
               for
               removing
               burdens
               from
               Churches
               ,
               and
               the
               times
               of
               non-conformists
               now
               times
               of
               burdening
               Churches
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             11
             Mens
             devices
             ought
             not
             to
             hinder
             preaching
             .
          
           
             This
             is
             just
             as
             our
             Bishops
             were
             wont
             to
             doe
             ,
             who
             give
             a
             full
             power
             to
             a
             Presbyter
             at
             his
             Ordination
             to
             preach
             the
             Gospel
             with
             a
             charge
             to
             do
             it
             ,
             
             yet
             will
             not
             suffer
             him
             to
             preach
             no
             not
             in
             his
             owne
             cure
             without
             a
             License
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               When
               any
               then
               was
               gifted
               and
               called
               to
               preach
               the
               Gospel
               ,
               and
               Licences
               were
               complained
               on
               to
               hinder
               ,
               why
               are
               there
               any
               other
               wayes
               devised
               against
               the
               liberty
               of
               the
               Gospel
               now
               ?
               as
               uniformity
               &c.
               
            
             
               2.
               
               Were
               Licenses
               chaines
               and
               fetters
               to
               the
               glorious
               and
               free
               spirit
               ?
               and
               are
               
                 Interrogatories
              
               and
               
                 Questions
              
               at
               times
               of
               Ordination
               and
               admission
               about
               Anti-Paedo-Baptisme
               ,
               Antinomianism
               now
               no
               restraints
               nor
               devices
               to
               the
               same
               purpose
               ,
               is
               this
               to
               rejoyce
               that
               Christ
               is
               preached
               howsoever
               ,
               nay
               is
               not
               this
               to
               forbid
               him
               because
               he
               followes
               not
               with
               us
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             12.
             
             Mens
             inventions
             to
             set
             up
             jus
             Divinum
             to
             advance
             government
             .
          
           
             They
             that
             have
             studied
             to
             advance
             the
             Babel
             of
             Episcopacy
             ,
             
             
             have
             endeavoured
             to
             underpin
             it
             with
             some
             Texts
             of
             Scripture
             ,
             that
             they
             might
             plead
             a
             
               jus
               divinum
            
             for
             it
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
            
             
               1
               Was
               it
               unlawfull
               ,
               and
               politick
               in
               some
               to
               underpinne
               Episcopacy
               with
               some
               Texts
               of
               Scriptures
               ,
               and
               so
               to
               get
               up
               a
               
                 jus
                 divinum
              
               for
               it
               ?
               and
               is
               it
               not
               as
               unlawfull
               to
               set
               up
               another
               
                 Form
              
               that
               is
               not
               purely
               of
               God
               ,
               underpinned
               with
               Texts
               of
               Scripture
               for
               a
               
                 jus
                 divinum
              
               or
               divine
               right
               ,
               as
               some
               would
               have
               had
               it
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             13
             Oath
             ex
             Officio
             an
             unlawfull
             engine
             .
          
           
             We
             desire
             to
             see
             further
             how
             abominable
             this
             Oath
             is
             ,
             how
             cryed
             downe
             by
             learned
             men
             ,
             
             how
             contrary
             to
             the
             word
             of
             God
             ,
             the
             law
             of
             nature
             ,
             to
             the
             Civill
             and
             Canon
             lawes
             ,
             and
             to
             the
             Statutes
             of
             our
             Kingdome
             ,
             he
             may
             finde
             in
             Mr
             ▪
             
               Parker
               .
            
          
           
             
               Quaere
            
             
               Was
               it
               so
               contrary
               to
               the
               word
               of
               God
               ,
               to
               all
               Civill
               and
               Common
               Lawes
               ,
               and
               the
               Law
               of
               our
               own
               Kingdom
               ,
               to
               extort
               from
               men
               Conscience
               secrets
               ;
               then
               of
               what
               kinde
               are
               all
               Formes
               of
               poseing
               ,
               examining
               ,
               interrogating
               to
               finde
               out
               the
               opinions
               of
               those
               who
               are
               to
               preach
               in
               any
               Congregation
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             14
             When
             Presbyters
             grow
             as
             tyrannous
             as
             Bishops
             ,
             they
             are
             to
             suffer
             .
          
           
             But
             if
             the
             Presbyters
             should
             be
             as
             generally
             corrupted
             as
             Bishops
             now
             are
             ,
             
             have
             as
             much
             strength
             to
             suppresse
             the
             Gospel
             and
             promote
             Popery
             ,
             as
             the
             Bishops
             by
             their
             supreame
             power
             have
             ,
             and
             if
             they
             can
             bring
             no
             more
             evidence
             of
             divine
             institution
             then
             Bishops
             can
             ,
             and
             are
             of
             
             no
             more
             necessity
             to
             the
             Church
             then
             Bishops
             are
             ,
             let
             the
             Function
             suffer
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
            
             
               May
               not
               that
               very
               thing
               be
               more
               justly
               feared
               and
               presumed
               by
               us
               now
               ,
               from
               some
               late
               experiments
               of
               them
               ,
               
                 viz.
                 that
                 the
                 Presbyters
                 may
                 grow
                 strong
                 to
                 suppresse
                 the
                 Gospell
                 ,
                 and
                 tyrannous
              
               &c.
               and
               may
               be
               
                 corrupted
                 ,
              
               as
               Bishops
               formerly
               ,
               as
               well
               as
               they
               might
               prophesy
               this
               of
               themselves
               ?
               
                 Caiaphas
              
               thought
               as
               little
               of
               Christ
               when
               hee
               said
               ,
               
                 one
                 should
                 die
                 for
                 the
                 people
                 ,
              
               as
               some
               Presbyters
               thought
               of
               suppressing
               the
               Gospell
               themselves
               ,
               and
               suffering
               for
               it
               ,
               when
               they
               wrote
               thus
               against
               Bishops
               and
               Presbyters
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             15
             Change
             of
             words
             in
             Religion
             an
             ill
             signe
             .
          
           
             We
             finde
             that
             the
             late
             Innovators
             which
             have
             so
             much
             disturbed
             the
             peace
             and
             purity
             of
             our
             Church
             ,
             
             did
             first
             begin
             with
             alteration
             of
             words
             ;
             and
             the
             Apostle
             exhorts
             us
             to
             hold
             fast
             the
             forme
             of
             sound
             words
             ,
             2
             
               Tim.
            
             1.
             13.
             and
             to
             avoyd
             profane
             novelties
             of
             words
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
            
             
               If
               the
               change
               of
               words
               be
               so
               dangerous
               ,
               and
               Vnwholsome
               Formes
               ,
               and
               so
               condemned
               before
               ,
               why
               are
               unwarrantable
               words
               taken
               up
               again
               ,
               as
               
                 Classicall
                 ,
                 Provinciall
                 ,
                 Nationall
                 ,
                 Triers
                 ,
                 Directories
                 ,
              
               which
               are
               no
               more
               formes
               of
               wholsome
               ,
               nor
               Scripture
               words
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             16
             Reproaches
             no
             Arguments
             .
          
           
             If
             confident
             slightings
             and
             scornfull
             denials
             be
             sufficient
             answers
             to
             us
             and
             our
             arguments
             ,
             
             never
             any
             man
             hath
             better
             defended
             Episcopacy
             ,
             or
             more
             strongly
             confuted
             those
             that
             oppose
             it
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               If
               confident
               sleightings
               ,
               &c.
               were
               counted
               no
               sufficient
               answers
               from
               the
               Prelates
               to
               the
               Presbyters
               ,
               why
               are
               Presbyters
               sleightings
               counted
               so
               sufficient
               arguments
               for
               their
               Dissenting
               Brethren
               now
               ?
               and
               if
               to
               
                 raile
              
               be
               to
               
                 reason
                 ,
              
               and
               to
               
                 revile
              
               be
               to
               
                 refute
                 ;
              
               Mr.
               
                 Edwards
              
               and
               some
               of
               his
               brethren
               have
               as
               strongly
               confuted
               us
               ,
               as
               the
               
                 Prelates
              
               did
               formerly
               
                 them
                 .
              
            
          
        
         
           
             17.
             
             Prelates
             impropriate
             Orthodox
             ▪
          
           
             In
             impropriating
             to
             the
             same
             party
             the
             praise
             of
             Orthodox
             ,
             
             as
             if
             to
             speak
             a
             word
             or
             thinke
             a
             thought
             against
             them
             were
             no
             lesse
             heresie
             ,
             then
             it
             was
             in
             former
             times
             to
             speak
             against
             the
             Popes
             Supremacy
             or
             the
             Monks
             fat
             belly
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               If
               it
               were
               so
               ill
               taken
               by
               the
               
                 Presbyters
              
               then
               ,
               that
               the
               
                 Prelates
              
               impropriated
               the
               name
               
                 Orthodox
                 :
              
               how
               may
               it
               be
               taken
               now
               by
               all
               the
               rest
               who
               are
               cast
               out
               as
               
                 Hereticks
              
               and
               
                 Schismaticks
                 ,
              
               while
               they
               walke
               abroad
               cloathed
               only
               in
               the
               name
               of
               
                 Orthodox
                 Divines
                 ?
              
            
             
               2.
               
               If
               the
               
                 Popes
                 Supremacy
              
               and
               the
               Monks
               fat
               belly
               ,
               and
               the
               Prelates
               could
               not
               bear
               a
               word
               nor
               a
               thought
               against
               them
               ;
               are
               not
               some
               Divines
               working
               for
               a
               supremacy
               and
               a
               revenew
               ,
               against
               which
               it
               may
               prove
               as
               great
               a
               crime
               to
               speake
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             18.
             
             All
             not
             of
             their
             opinion
             are
             factious
             .
          
           
             Sure
             the
             man
             thinks
             he
             hath
             obtained
             a
             Monopoly
             of
             Learning
             ,
             
             and
             all
             Knowledge
             is
             lockt
             up
             in
             his
             bosome
             ,
             and
             not
             only
             Knowlege
             but
             Piety
             and
             peaceableness
             too
             ;
             for
             all
             that
             are
             not
             of
             his
             opinion
             must
             suffer
             ▪
             either
             as
             weake
             or
             factious
             if
             he
             may
             be
             their
             judge
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               Whether
               do
               not
               they
               who
               hold
               all
               other
               in
               Schisme
               and
               Heresie
               and
               a
               company
               of
               Mechanicks
               who
               conforme
               not
               to
               them
               ,
               conceive
               they
               have
               the
               Monopoly
               of
               learning
               as
               once
               the
               Prelates
               did
               :
               and
               who
               are
               these
               now
               ?
            
             
               2.
               
               Whether
               do
               not
               they
               who
               look
               on
               their
               
                 Brethren
              
               that
               dissent
               as
               
                 Troublers
                 ,
                 Factious
                 ,
                 Schismaticall
                 ;
              
               conceive
               all
               
                 Piety
              
               and
               
                 peaceablenesse
              
               to
               be
               lockt
               up
               in
               their
               own
               bosomes
               ;
               and
               who
               are
               they
               ?
               and
               who
               are
               the
               weak
               and
               factious
               if
               they
               may
               be
               judges
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             19
             Prelates
             pathes
             causes
             of
             divisions
             .
          
           
             It
             is
             no
             wonder
             ,
             considering
             the
             pathes
             our
             Prelates
             have
             trod
             ,
             
             that
             there
             are
             divisions
             in
             the
             Nation
             ;
             the
             wonder
             is
             the
             Divisions
             are
             no
             more
             ,
             no
             greater
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               If
               the
               usurpation
               ,
               Tyranny
               ,
               Persecution
               of
               the
               Prelates
               ,
               were
               reckoned
               for
               the
               supreame
               
                 division-makers
              
               in
               the
               Kingdome
               ,
               when
               the
               
                 Non-conformists
              
               were
               the
               only
               
                 Separatists
                 ;
              
               Why
               doe
               they
               not
               finde
               out
               some
               other
               ,
               or
               such
               like
               cause
               now
               ,
               in
               some
               other
               place
               ,
               rather
               then
               amongst
               their
               dissenting
               
                 Brethren
              
               themselves
               ,
               whom
               they
               now
               only
               accuse
               of
               
                 division
                 ,
              
               and
               
                 faction
                 ?
              
               but
               this
               is
               the
               difference
               of
               being
               
                 Parties
              
               and
               
                 Judges
                 ;
              
               we
               naturally
               spie
               out
               faults
               furthest
               from
               our selves
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             20
             Where
             is
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ?
          
           
             We
             desire
             him
             to
             tell
             us
             what
             the
             Church
             of
             
               England
            
             is
             ,
             
             for
             it
             doth
             not
             please
             him
             that
             we
             should
             call
             the
             Convocation
             the
             Church
             of
             
               England
               ,
            
             much
             lesse
             the
             Bishops
             or
             Archbishops
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               If
               it
               was
               so
               hard
               to
               finde
               out
               the
               
                 Church
                 of
                 England
              
               in
               the
               
                 Prelates
              
               dayes
               ,
               surely
               it
               is
               hard
               to
               finde
               
                 it
              
               out
               now
               ;
               then
               it
               seemes
               neither
               
                 Synod
                 ,
                 Bishops
                 ,
              
               nor
               
                 Archbishops
              
               were
               the
               
                 Church
                 .
              
               Then
               Quaere
               ,
               where
               is
               the
               
                 Church
              
               now
               ?
               not
               in
               the
               
                 Assembly
                 ,
              
               they
               are
               but
               consulting
               how
               to
               build
               the
               
                 Church
                 ;
              
               not
               in
               the
               
                 Presbytery
                 ,
              
               for
               that
               is
               a
               Church
               unbuilt
               yet
               ;
               not
               among
               the
               
                 Parishes
                 ,
              
               they
               are
               not
               Scripture
               Churches
               or
               Congregations
               as
               the
               same
               
                 Smectymnus
              
               sayes
               ;
               then
               where
               is
               the
               Church
               of
               
                 England
                 ?
              
            
          
        
         
           
             21
             The
             name
             of
             Church
             is
             the
             Gorgons
             Head
             .
          
           
             But
             these
             Episcopall
             men
             deale
             as
             the
             Papists
             that
             dazle
             the
             eyes
             ,
             
             and
             astonish
             the
             senses
             of
             poor
             people
             with
             the
             glorious
             name
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             the
             Church
             ,
             the
             holy
             mother
             the
             Church
             ;
             this
             is
             the
             Gorgons
             Head
             that
             hath
             enchaunted
             them
             and
             held
             them
             in
             bondage
             to
             their
             errours
             ;
             all
             there
             speech
             is
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             the
             Church
             ;
             no
             mention
             of
             the
             Scriptures
             of
             God
             the
             Father
             ,
             but
             all
             of
             the
             mother
             the
             Church
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               If
               the
               name
               of
               
                 Church
              
               then
               ,
               the
               
                 Mother
                 Church
                 ,
              
               the
               
                 Church
              
               was
               such
               a
               
                 Gorgons
              
               head
               by
               which
               
                 Prelates
              
               as
               well
               as
               
                 Papists
              
               enchanted
               thousands
               of
               People
               to
               believe
               :
               why
               is
               that
               very
               thing
               or
               device
               taken
               up
               in
               another
               
                 forme
              
               to
               enchant
               with
               still
               ,
               
                 viz.
              
               The
               
                 Church
                 of
                 England
                 ,
              
               the
               
                 Orthodox
                 Churches
                 ,
              
               the
               
                 Reformed
                 Churches
                 ?
              
            
             
               2.
               
               If
               the
               
                 Mother
                 Church
              
               was
               so
               much
               spoken
               on
               before
               ,
               and
               the
               
                 Scriptures
              
               so
               little
               ?
               why
               is
               not
               the
               Church
               of
               
                 England
                 ,
              
               
               the
               Reformed
               Churches
               ,
               the
               Orthodox
               Churches
               and
               Divines
               lesse
               spoken
               on
               ,
               and
               the
               Scriptures
               more
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             22
             An
             ill
             Custome
             to
             say
             Church
             of
             England
             and
             Conformity
             .
          
           
             It
             hath
             been
             the
             custome
             of
             late
             times
             to
             cry
             up
             the
             holy
             mother
             the
             Church
             of
             
               England
               ,
            
             
             to
             call
             for
             absolute
             obedience
             to
             holy
             Church
             ,
             full
             conformity
             to
             the
             orders
             of
             holy
             Church
             ,
             neglecting
             in
             meane
             time
             God
             the
             Father
             and
             the
             holy
             Scriptures
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               If
               it
               hath
               been
               the
               unwarrantable
               custome
               of
               late
               times
               to
               cry
               up
               the
               
                 Church
                 of
                 England
                 ,
              
               and
               
                 absolute
                 obedience
              
               to
               the
               
                 Church
                 ,
              
               and
               
                 conformity
                 ,
              
               why
               is
               this
               
                 custome
              
               still
               kept
               up
               ?
               
                 conformity
                 ,
                 obedience
              
               and
               
                 uniformity
              
               as
               much
               called
               for
               still
               ,
               as
               before
               ?
               why
               is
               not
               the
               
                 word
              
               more
               spoken
               on
               ,
               and
               the
               
                 Reformed
                 Church
              
               lesse
               ?
               why
               is
               not
               free
               
                 Christian
                 liberty
                 ,
              
               peaceable
               
                 forbearance
              
               of
               each
               others
               
                 differing
                 opinions
                 ,
              
               and
               
                 practices
              
               in
               
                 unity
              
               more
               heard
               among
               us
               ,
               and
               
                 obedience
                 ,
                 conformity
              
               and
               
                 uniformity
              
               lesse
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             23
             To
             call
             Schismaticks
             and
             Hereticks
             the
             Bishops
             Practice
             .
          
           
             Only
             there
             is
             one
             practice
             of
             our
             Bishops
             ,
             
             that
             is
             their
             casting
             out
             unconforming
             brethren
             commonly
             known
             in
             their
             Court
             language
             by
             the
             name
             of
             Schismaticks
             and
             Hereticks
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               If
               the
               Bishops
               did
               practice
               the
               casting
               out
               the
               
                 Non-Conforming
                 
                 Brethren
                 ,
              
               whither
               ought
               any
               such
               practice
               to
               be
               taken
               up
               by
               the
               
                 Non-Conforming
                 Brethren
              
               against
               
                 Brethren
              
               now
               not
               
                 Conforming
              
               to
               
                 them
                 ?
              
            
             
               2.
               
               If
               all
               the
               
                 Non-Conforming
                 Brethren
              
               were
               in
               their
               Courtlanguage
               
                 Hereticks
              
               and
               
                 Schismaticks
                 ,
              
               whither
               ought
               not
               such
               names
               to
               be
               sent
               packing
               to
               
                 Court
              
               againe
               ,
               rather
               then
               taken
               up
               by
               the
               same
               
                 Brethren
                 ,
              
               who
               were
               so
               much
               called
               so
               themselves
               ,
               Hereticks
               and
               Schismaticks
               that
               they
               have
               taken
               it
               up
               against
               others
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             24
             Heresies
             and
             Schisme
             harsh
             words
             .
          
           
             But
             we
             had
             hoped
             the
             refusall
             of
             the
             use
             of
             a
             Ceremony
             ,
             
             should
             never
             have
             been
             equalized
             in
             the
             punishment
             either
             to
             Heresie
             or
             Schisme
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               If
               you
               hoped
               that
               
                 the
                 refusall
                 of
                 a
                 Ceremony
              
               would
               not
               have
               been
               punished
               with
               
                 heresie
              
               and
               
                 schisme
              
               from
               Bishops
               ,
               may
               not
               your
               
                 Brethren
              
               hope
               much
               more
               from
               you
               ,
               that
               their
               dissenting
               from
               you
               in
               things
               of
               
                 outward
              
               Cognizance
               and
               
                 forme
                 ,
              
               as
               
                 Church
                 Order
              
               and
               
                 Bapisme
                 ,
              
               would
               not
               be
               so
               branded
               for
               
                 heresie
              
               and
               
                 schisme
              
               by
               you
               (
               who
               glory
               in
               a
               more
               Gospel
               way
               )
               as
               you
               were
               branded
               your selves
               of
               late
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             25
             Heavie
             censures
             for
             Non-Conformity
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             sure
             above
             the
             crime
             of
             the
             Remonstrant
             ,
             
             Non-conforming
             Brethren
             ,
             who
             are
             unsetled
             in
             points
             of
             a
             meane
             difference
             (
             which
             there
             usual
             language
             knowes
             by
             no
             better
             terme
             then
             Schimaticks
             and
             factious
             )
             yet
             
             even
             such
             as
             have
             fallen
             under
             the
             heaviest
             censures
             of
             Excommunication
             ,
             deprivation
             ,
             suspension
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               1.
               
               Why
               was
               it
               such
               a
               crime
               to
               count
               any
               
                 Schismaticks
              
               and
               
                 factious
                 ,
              
               under
               
                 Prelacy
                 ?
              
               and
               why
               is
               it
               now
               under
               Presbytery
               matter
               of
               just
               report
               against
               others
               ?
            
             
               2.
               
               If
               
                 Excommunications
                 ,
                 Deprivations
                 ,
                 suspensions
                 ,
                 &c.
              
               were
               esteemed
               so
               burdensome
               and
               cruell
               ?
               then
               why
               are
               
                 Fines
                 ,
                 Penalties
                 ,
              
               and
               
                 Imprisonments
                 ,
              
               so
               much
               preached
               for
               now
               ?
               why
               doe
               not
               the
               
                 Brethren
              
               of
               the
               
                 Presbyteriall
                 way
                 ,
              
               think
               it
               as
               hard
               for
               the
               
                 Magistrates
              
               to
               afflict
               their
               
                 Brethren
                 ,
              
               as
               they
               thought
               it
               hard
               in
               the
               Prelates
               to
               afflict
               themselves
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             26
             No
             Presbyters
             to
             be
             Ambitious
             .
          
           
             Neither
             in
             any
             of
             his
             writings
             the
             least
             intimation
             of
             superiority
             of
             one
             Presbyter
             over
             another
             ,
             
             save
             only
             where
             he
             names
             Diotrephes
             as
             one
             ambitiously
             affecting
             such
             Supremacy
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               If
               none
               but
               such
               as
               
                 Diotrephes
              
               is
               observed
               in
               Scripture
               for
               affecting
               
                 Supremacy
                 ,
              
               and
               
                 Superioricy
                 ,
              
               and
               if
               one
               
                 Presbyter
              
               cannot
               be
               found
               affecting
               place
               above
               other
               
                 Presbyters
              
               in
               opposition
               to
               
                 Bishops
                 ;
              
               then
               how
               is
               it
               cleared
               ,
               that
               a
               
                 Presbytery
              
               may
               be
               supream
               to
               a
               whole
               
                 Church
              
               or
               
                 Congregation
                 :
              
               and
               that
               it
               is
               not
               as
               much
               Superiority
               for
               some
               few
               
                 Presbyters
              
               to
               affect
               being
               above
               many
               
                 Saints
              
               together
               in
               one
               
                 Church
                 ,
              
               as
               for
               one
               in
               name
               or
               office
               as
               a
               Bishop
               to
               affect
               place
               above
               another
               in
               name
               or
               office
               as
               a
               
                 Presbyter
                 ,
              
               and
               so
               
                 Episcopacy
              
               be
               as
               warrantable
               as
               
                 Presbytery
                 ,
              
               and
               both
               alike
               unwarrantable
               ?
            
          
        
      
       
       
         
           A
           BEAM
           of
           LIGHT
           TO
           Discover
           a
           way
           to
           the
           peace
           both
           of
           CHURCH
           and
           STATE
           By
           way
           of
           
             Considerations
             .
          
        
         
           
             Consid.
             1.
             
          
           
             LEt
             it
             first
             be
             considered
             where
             the
             great
             obstructions
             lie
             against
             
               Liberty
            
             or
             
               Teleration
            
             of
             
               Brethren
            
             of
             severall
             wayes
             ,
             and
             if
             it
             may
             not
             be
             found
             to
             be
             in
             these
             things
             ,
          
           
             1
             A
             taking
             the
             whole
             kingdom
             of
             
               England
            
             for
             the
             Church
             of
             
               England
               ,
            
             and
             so
             setting
             up
             the
             Nationall
             Magistracy
             of
             
               Israel
            
             in
             the
             Nation
             now
             as
             it
             was
             then
             ,
             which
             how
             it
             may
             be
             warranted
             ,
             would
             be
             well
             considered
             .
          
           
             2
             A
             jealousie
             how
             to
             preserve
             the
             present
             Ecclesiasticall
             Interest
             without
             the
             
               choicest
               power
            
             of
             the
             Magistrate
             to
             help
             it
             ;
             which
             if
             well
             observed
             ,
             makes
             it
             appeare
             to
             bee
             lesse
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             more
             of
             man
             .
          
           
             3
             An
             interpretation
             of
             these
             Gospell
             Scriptures
             which
             concern
             Magistracy
             ,
             
               Rom.
               13.
               4.
               1
               Tim.
               2.
               2.
               1
               Pet.
            
             2.
             13
             ,
             14.
             (
             which
             I
             humbly
             conceive
             to
             be
             so
             farre
             as
             concerns
             any
             
               good
            
             or
             
               evill
            
             either
             of
             the
             Law
             of
             
               Nature
            
             or
             
               Nations
            
             )
             into
             a
             
               good
            
             
             or
             
               evill
            
             purely
             
               spirituall
               ,
            
             and
             of
             meere
             revelation
             in
             the
             Gospel
             ,
             as
             things
             of
             Gospell
             light
             ,
             and
             mystery
             ,
             and
             notions
             of
             Heresy
             and
             Schism
             are
             :
             this
             latitude
             of
             Interpretation
             of
             the
             
               generall
               Rules
            
             in
             the
             Gospell
             concerning
             Magistracy
             ,
             into
             all
             particulars
             of
             Truth
             and
             Heresie
             ,
             is
             of
             high
             consideration
             .
          
        
         
           
             Consid.
             2.
             
          
           
             Let
             it
             be
             considered
             ,
             how
             the
             kingdom
             of
             
               England
            
             may
             be
             called
             the
             Church
             ,
             taking
             in
             all
             the
             Northern
             parts
             ,
             the
             Western
             parts
             ,
             the
             whole
             Nation
             generally
             to
             the
             very
             walls
             of
             
               London
               ,
            
             with
             Mr
             
               Marshalls
            
             Testimony
             ,
             
               that
               many
               thousands
               nay
               thousands
               of
               thousands
            
             (
             which
             accordingly
             reckoned
             takes
             
             up
             almost
             the
             greatest
             part
             of
             the
             Kingdom
             )
             
               not
               knowing
               their
               right
               hand
               from
               their
               left
               in
               the
               very
               principles
               of
               the
               doctrine
               of
               Christ
               .
            
             And
             saith
             Mr
             
               Marshall
               ,
               no
               Land
               can
               be
               esteemed
               Christs
               Kingdome
               where
               the
               preaching
               of
               the
               word
               is
               not
               established
               :
               is
               any
               Countrey
               esteemed
               a
               part
               of
               a
               Princes
               dominion
               that
               is
               not
               ruled
               by
               his
               lawes
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             Consid.
             3.
             
          
           
             Let
             it
             be
             considered
             then
             seeing
             the
             kingdome
             of
             
               England
            
             is
             not
             a
             Church
             ,
             but
             in
             the
             generall
             a
             Nation
             
               baptized
            
             into
             they
             know
             not
             
               what
            
             at
             first
             ,
             and
             
               beleeving
            
             generally
             they
             knew
             not
             in
             
               whom
            
             ever
             since
             ,
             as
             Mr
             
               Marshall
               ,
            
             whether
             there
             may
             not
             be
             a
             free
             ,
             peaceable
             cohabitation
             of
             the
             people
             together
             ,
             
               viz.
            
             of
             those
             called
             
               Presbyteriall
               ,
               Independent
               ,
               Anabaptists
               ,
            
             enjoying
             their
             severall
             wayes
             of
             practice
             in
             things
             of
             outward
             cognizance
             and
             order
             ,
             as
             
               Baptism
               ,
               Church
               Order
               ,
               &c.
            
             in
             all
             peaceable
             demeanure
             and
             godlinesse
             ,
             as
             well
             in
             this
             sp●rituall
             variety
             ,
             as
             so
             many
             Corporations
             ,
             Counties
             ,
             Divisions
             ,
             Armies
             ,
             and
             severall
             Companies
             ,
             in
             that
             their
             
               civill
               variety
               ,
            
             and
             yet
             in
             all
             a
             
               civill
               comelinesse
               ,
               peace
               ,
               and
               unity
               .
            
          
        
         
         
           
             Consid.
             4.
             
          
           
             Let
             it
             be
             considered
             ,
             whether
             the
             
               Civill
               power
            
             in
             such
             a
             Gospell
             mystery
             ,
             as
             
               Presbytery
            
             is
             ,
             and
             the
             way
             of
             
               Baptism
            
             is
             ,
             and
             the
             way
             of
             Independency
             is
             ,
             may
             not
             with
             more
             lawfulnesse
             ,
             lesse
             hazard
             of
             sinne
             ,
             and
             safety
             ,
             keep
             off
             ,
             or
             suspend
             his
             engagements
             from
             all
             sides
             ,
             seeing
             there
             lies
             
               Gospell
               strength
            
             and
             
               Arguments
            
             on
             all
             sides
             ,
             and
             walk
             only
             according
             to
             those
             generall
             Rules
             the
             Gospell
             hath
             layd
             him
             down
             in
             
               Rom.
            
             13.
             4.
             1
             
               Tim.
               2.
               2.
               1
               Pet.
            
             2.
             13
             ,
             14
             not
             daring
             to
             draw
             himselfe
             to
             revenge
             any
             misbeleefe
             of
             particular
             
               Scripture
               mysteries
               ;
            
             forcing
             either
             side
             ,
             either
             for
             
               Presbytery
               ,
               Inde
               ,
               endency
               ,
            
             or
             
               Baptism
               ,
            
             which
             the
             Gospell
             hath
             no where
             warranted
             him
             in
             speciall
             ,
             or
             in
             any
             clear
             consequence
             to
             do
             ;
             but
             such
             as
             the
             present
             prevayling
             Brethren
             draw
             out
             from
             the
             Iudiciall
             Law
             of
             
               Moses
            
             to
             help
             :
             and
             from
             these
             generall
             
               Gospell
               Rules
               ,
            
             which
             can
             bring
             forth
             but
             an
             
               opinionative
               Iustice
               ,
            
             as
             their
             Arguments
             an
             
               opinionative
               Truth
               ,
            
             or
             
               Presbytery
               ;
            
             and
             whether
             the
             Magistrate
             ought
             not
             to
             demand
             a
             more
             
               clear
            
             and
             
               equitable
               Rule
            
             in
             things
             of
             
               Spirituall
               cognizance
               ,
            
             I
             humbly
             present
             to
             be
             considered
             .
             Whether
             there
             ought
             not
             to
             bee
             a
             certaine
             Rule
             for
             a
             certaine
             Iustice
             :
             so
             if
             there
             should
             ever
             bee
             a
             proceeding
             to
             
               Fines
               ,
               Imprisonment
               ,
               Banishment
               ,
            
             the
             Divines
             can
             administer
             no
             more
             certain
             grounds
             for
             the
             Magistrates
             conscience
             ,
             then
             such
             as
             they
             have
             for
             their
             own
             ,
             which
             are
             but
             probable
             ,
             controvertible
             ,
             doubtfull
             ,
             as
             the
             Arguments
             on
             all
             sides
             will
             make
             appear
             .
          
        
         
           
             Consid.
             5.
             
          
           
             Let
             it
             be
             considered
             ,
             whether
             it
             hath
             not
             been
             one
             of
             the
             Nationall
             sinnes
             ,
             
               viz.
            
             Making
             Lawes
             against
             all
             other
             Forms
             but
             what
             it
             did
             establish
             it selfe
             Nationally
             ;
             by
             which
             experience
             hath
             told
             us
             ,
             how
             
               Gospell
               Truths
            
             have
             been
             kept
             out
             whole
             Generations
             ;
             Popish
             States
             kept
             out
             
               Protestantism
               ,
            
             and
             
               Prelacy
            
             kept
             out
             
               Presbytery
               ,
            
             and
             whether
             
               Presbytery
            
             proceeding
             on
             the
             same
             ground
             ,
             is
             not
             in
             the
             same
             danger
             of
             sin
             ,
             and
             of
             keeping
             out
             other
             
               Truthes
               ;
            
             and
             whether
             upon
             this
             ground
             ,
             any
             
               Gospell
               Revelation
            
             or
             
               Light
            
             (
             of
             which
             there
             shall
             
             bee
             an
             
               Encreasing
            
             every
             day
             ,
             
             as
             Mr
             
               Case
            
             himselfe
             preached
             ,
             )
             ever
             shall
             come
             into
             this
             Nation
             ,
             but
             of
             the
             Nationall
             size
             and
             temper
             ;
             and
             we
             know
             that
             is
             not
             often
             the
             Gospell
             way
             ;
             the
             Lord
             hath
             chosen
             the
             
               weak
               things
               ,
            
             and
             
               base
               things
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             6.
             
             Consideration
             .
          
           
             Let
             it
             be
             considered
             whether
             part
             of
             the
             great
             
               Mystery
               of
               Iniquity
            
             be
             not
             that
             of
             drawing
             in
             the
             strength
             of
             the
             
               Nations
               ,
            
             
             the
             Princes
             of
             the
             earth
             ,
             to
             support
             the
             
               Ecclesiasticall
            
             or
             
               Church
               glory
               ,
            
             and
             let
             this
             be
             sadly
             considered
             ;
             did
             not
             Popery
             get
             in
             the
             
               Kingdoms
            
             of
             the
             world
             to
             support
             it selfe
             ?
             ●id
             not
             
               Prelacy
            
             stand
             by
             the
             same
             power
             ?
             Doth
             not
             
               Presbytery
            
             hold
             it selfe
             by
             the
             same
             strength
             of
             
               Magistrates
               ?
            
             Are
             not
             the
             same
             
               Iron
               rods
            
             and
             scourges
             of
             
               steel
            
             conveyed
             over
             from
             one
             of
             them
             to
             the
             other
             ?
             Did
             not
             the
             
               Pope
            
             whip
             the
             
               Protestant
            
             with
             
               fines
               ,
               imprisonments
               ,
            
             and
             the
             
               Prelate
            
             take
             the
             rod
             our
             of
             his
             hand
             and
             whip
             the
             
               Non-conformist
               ,
            
             and
             the
             
               Non-conformist
            
             or
             
               Presbyter
            
             take
             the
             same
             rod
             out
             of
             the
             
               Prelates
            
             hand
             and
             scourge
             those
             that
             are
             
               Non-conformists
            
             to
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Consid.
             7.
             
          
           
             Let
             it
             be
             well
             considered
             ,
             whether
             the
             design
             of
             the
             
               Nationall
               Ministery
               ,
            
             ever
             since
             the
             first
             working
             of
             it
             upon
             the
             Magi●●rates
             ,
             hath
             not
             a
             design
             for
             strengthening
             their
             owne
             interest
             by
             the
             
               Magistracy
            
             of
             the
             
               Kingdomes
               ,
            
             and
             how
             have
             
               Kingdomes
            
             been
             embroiled
             for
             the
             serving
             of
             this
             designe
             ,
             and
             whether
             is
             not
             this
             guilded
             with
             the
             glorious
             name
             of
             Reformation
             .
          
        
         
           
             Consid.
             8.
             
          
           
             Let
             it
             be
             considered
             from
             the
             severall
             
               wayes
            
             and
             
               formes
            
             of
             proceeding
             in
             which
             the
             beleevers
             of
             severall
             opinions
             have
             gone
             in
             these
             times
             to
             support
             themselves
             ,
             which
             stands
             most
             on
             a
             pure
             Gospel
             spirituall
             bottome
             ,
             supported
             by
             its
             owne
             
             
               innate
               congeniall
            
             and
             
               proper
            
             strength
             ,
             clasping
             about
             no
             stones
             no
             pillars
             of
             the
             world
             ,
             or
             humane
             strength
             .
          
        
         
           
             Consid.
             9.
             
          
           
             Let
             it
             be
             considered
             ,
             whether
             the
             whole
             cry
             of
             the
             Divines
             of
             the
             other
             party
             (
             as
             in
             the
             late
             booke
             )
             is
             not
             all
             to
             the
             Magistrate
             :
             
             Help
             us
             
               Parliament
               ,
            
             help
             us
             
               City
            
             or
             we
             are
             undone
             ,
             the
             
               Heresies
            
             and
             
               Sects
            
             will
             undoe
             us
             ;
             What
             said
             
               Ezra
               ,
               I
               was
               ashamed
            
             (
             saith
             he
             )
             
               to
               require
               of
               the
               King
               an
               army
               and
               horsemen
               to
               help
               us
               against
               the
               enemy
               in
               the
               way
               ,
            
             
             
               because
               we
               had
               said
               the
               hand
               of
               our
               God
               is
               upon
               all
               them
               that
               seek
               him
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             Consid.
             10.
             
          
           
             Let
             it
             be
             considered
             whether
             they
             whom
             he
             calls
             
               Hereticks
            
             and
             
               Schismaticks
               ,
            
             make
             it
             one
             of
             their
             choicest
             Principles
             to
             desire
             the
             
               Magistrate
            
             to
             help
             their
             
               opinions
            
             with
             their
             
               prisons
               ,
               fines
               ,
               pillories
               ;
            
             but
             rather
             that
             they
             would
             let
             them
             alone
             to
             stand
             and
             fall
             by
             the
             power
             or
             weaknesse
             of
             their
             Gospell
             principles
             ,
             and
             that
             they
             may
             have
             liberty
             to
             pray
             for
             them
             ,
             pay
             to
             them
             ,
             and
             possesse
             the
             Gospell
             .
          
        
      
       
       
         
           Each
           Opinion
           stated
           briefly
           ,
           respectively
           to
           
             Toleration
             .
          
        
         
           Let
           it
           be
           considered
           to
           what
           each
           pretended
           Heresie
           will
           amount
           to
           .
        
         
           
             Independency
             .
          
           
             
               INdependents
            
             beleive
             that
             since
             the
             
               Parishes
            
             are
             so
             generally
             corrupted
             ,
             the
             Churches
             ought
             to
             consist
             of
             those
             of
             them
             onely
             that
             professe
             more
             purely
             ,
             as
             they
             finde
             Scripture
             Rule
             and
             Practice
             ;
             and
             as
             the
             
               Presbyteriant
            
             themselves
             many
             of
             them
             practice
             in
             some
             Ordinances
             ,
             as
             that
             of
             
               Baptisme●nd
            
             the
             
               Supper
               ,
            
             giving
             them
             onely
             to
             the
             purest
             Beleivers
             .
          
           
             They
             also
             beleive
             that
             they
             ought
             not
             by
             a
             few
             
               Ministers
            
             and
             
               Elders
            
             of
             the
             Churches
             to
             bring
             all
             the
             Churches
             and
             Congregations
             under
             their
             
               power
            
             and
             
               dominion
               ,
            
             but
             rather
             under
             their
             
               advice
            
             and
             
               consultation
               .
            
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Becaus●
               then
               they
               practice
               to
               meet
               more
               purely
               ,
               and
               to
               rule
               lesse
               one
               over
               another
               ;
               whether
               is
               this
               enough
               that
               they
               should
               be
               fined
               ,
               imprisoned
               ,
               banished
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             The
             Anabaptists
             .
          
           
             THe
             
               Anabaptists
            
             so
             called
             ,
             they
             hold
             that
             Beleivers
             ought
             only
             to
             be
             baptized
             ,
             and
             that
             Baptisme
             ought
             to
             be
             so
             for
             the
             manner
             ,
             as
             may
             set
             forth
             Christs
             death
             ,
             buriall
             ,
             and
             resurrection
             
             by
             water
             ,
             as
             the
             Greek
             word
             and
             Apostles
             practice
             seems
             to
             imply
             ,
             
             and
             some
             of
             the
             ablest
             Divines
             both
             of
             
               England
            
             and
             the
             great
             Adversaries
             the
             Papists
             themselves
             deny
             not
             ;
             and
             for
             
               children
               ,
            
             they
             reade
             of
             none
             the
             Apostles
             Baptized
             ,
             and
             they
             see
             not
             any
             Scripture
             cleare
             enough
             to
             warrant
             ,
             and
             they
             therefore
             forbeare
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Because
               they
               will
               not
               practice
               then
               what
               is
               not
               cleare
               in
               
                 command
                 ,
              
               and
               confessed
               by
               all
               to
               be
               but
               in
               hidden
               
                 consequence
                 ;
              
               because
               they
               
                 baptize
              
               as
               they
               finde
               the
               clearest
               rule
               and
               practice
               ,
               and
               as
               none
               can
               deny
               but
               it
               was
               the
               
                 Apostles
              
               generall
               practice
               to
               
                 baptize
              
               Believers
               :
               therefore
               whither
               is
               this
               enough
               that
               they
               should
               be
               Fined
               ,
               Imprisoned
               ,
               Banished
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             The
             Seekers
             .
          
           
             
               SEekers
               ,
            
             some
             of
             them
             Question
             only
             the
             way
             of
             
               Church
            
             and
             
               Ordinances
               ,
            
             as
             of
             
               Baptisme
               ,
               &c.
            
             because
             they
             finde
             that
             the
             
               power
            
             was
             at
             first
             given
             to
             
               the
            
             Apostles
             with
             gifts
             ,
             and
             from
             
               them
            
             to
             
               others
               ,
            
             and
             they
             dare
             not
             take
             it
             from
             
               Antichrist
            
             and
             the
             
               Bishops
               ,
            
             as
             the
             
               Reformed
            
             Kingdomes
             generally
             take
             it
             ,
             nor
             from
             the
             
               Churches
               ,
            
             because
             they
             finde
             no
             such
             power
             begun
             from
             the
             Churches
             ,
             but
             only
             of
             
               choyce
            
             or
             
               consent
               ,
            
             not
             of
             
               power
            
             nor
             Churches
             begun
             before
             Apostles
             ,
             or
             Disciples
             with
             gifts
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whither
               then
               is
               this
               enough
               ,
               because
               they
               conceive
               they
               dare
               not
               take
               
                 Ordinances
                 ,
              
               but
               from
               such
               ,
               and
               in
               such
               a
               manner
               as
               was
               given
               at
               first
               ,
               to
               fine
               ,
               Imprison
               ,
               or
               Banish
               them
               ?
            
          
        
      
       
       
         
           A
           Modell
           or
           Short
           Draught
           of
           the
           whole
           
             difference
          
           betwixt
           the
           Divines
           for
           the
           Presbytery
           and
           them
           of
           the
           
             other
             way
          
           respectively
           ,
           to
           the
           Magistrate
           or
           State
           ,
           drawn
           from
           the
           late
           Books
           and
           Practice
           of
           both
           parties
           ,
           in
           a
           
             Petitionary
             way
             .
          
        
         
           
             They
             of
             the
             Presbytery
             to
             the
             Magistrates
             or
             State
             .
          
           
             WE
             humbly
             Petition
             ye
             ,
             that
             
               Hereticks
            
             and
             
               Schismaticks
            
             (
             wee
             believing
             all
             that
             differ
             from
             us
             to
             be
             so
             )
             may
             have
             your
             
               power
            
             inflicted
             upon
             them
             ,
             whither
             to
             
               fines
               ,
               imprisonment
               ,
            
             or
             
               Banishment
               ,
            
             and
             upon
             this
             condition
             ,
             ye
             shall
             have
             what
             we
             can
             doe
             ,
             or
             preach
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             The
             Independents
             to
             the
             Magistrates
             or
             State
             .
          
           
             VVEe
             humbly
             Petition
             ,
             that
             ye
             will
             not
             hazard
             nor
             endanger
             your
             civill
             power
             of
             the
             State
             to
             help
             our
             opinions
             against
             our
             Brethren
             ,
             for
             we
             are
             not
             
               Infallible
            
             nor
             
               Apostolicall
               ,
               we
               see
               but
               in
               part
               ,
            
             and
             that
             ye
             will
             not
             punish
             any
             of
             our
             
               Brethren
               Presbyterials
            
             or
             others
             ,
             for
             what
             they
             believe
             or
             differ
             from
             us
             in
             things
             of
             outward
             order
             in
             the
             
               Gospel
               ,
            
             and
             that
             we
             may
             have
             leave
             to
             pray
             for
             ye
             ,
             to
             pay
             tribute
             to
             ye
             ,
             to
             fight
             for
             ye
             ,
             and
             to
             worship
             the
             Lord
             among
             our selves
             peaceably
             as
             we
             believe
             ,
             and
             to
             punish
             us
             when
             we
             disturbe
             ye
             by
             Tumults
             ,
             or
             trouble
             your
             peace
             in
             our
             way
             of
             worshiping
          
        
      
       
       
         
           SOME
           QUAERES
           FOR
           The
           better
           understanding
           OF
           Mr
           
             EDWARDS
          
           last
           BOOK
           ,
           Called
           in
           Latine
           
             Gangrena
             ,
          
           But
           in
           English
           ,
           a
           Book
           of
           
             Scandals
             ,
          
           AGAINST
           The
           Honourable
           Houses
           of
           
             Parliament
             ,
          
           the
           Army
           ,
           the
           Saints
           and
           Churches
           of
           Christ
           ,
           that
           differ
           from
           him
           .
        
         
           
             Quaere
             1.
             
          
           
             VVHether
             this
             be
             not
             a
             new
             way
             ,
             and
             work
             of
             Providence
             ,
             to
             bring
             forth
             some
             Gospel
             ,
             light
             to
             the
             world
             by
             presenting
             some
             truth
             under
             the
             name
             and
             notion
             of
             errours
             and
             heresies
             ,
             which
             can
             scarce
             obtain
             from
             the
             
             Presse
             and
             Pulpit
             any
             other
             way
             of
             appearing
             abroad
             :
             and
             
               if
               this
               be
               not
               to
               take
               the
               wise
               in
               their
               own
               craftiness
               ,
            
             and
             to
             make
             Mr
             
               Cranford
            
             the
             Licenser
             ,
             and
             Mr
             
               Edwards
            
             the
             Publisher
             of
             some
             such
             
               Truths
               ,
            
             which
             the
             world
             had
             else
             never
             known
             so
             publikely
             ,
             but
             under
             the
             form
             of
             
               heresie
               ,
            
             and
             from
             their
             two
             
               pens
               ,
            
             but
             under
             this
             
               disguise
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             2.
             
          
           
             Whether
             that
             Story
             which
             Mr
             
               Edwards
            
             tels
             of
             
               Brasteed
            
             in
             
               Kent
               ,
            
             where
             he
             sayes
             a
             woman
             preaches
             which
             is
             known
             to
             my selfe
             ,
             and
             all
             in
             that
             place
             to
             be
             a
             meere
             untruth
             ,
             be
             not
             a
             way
             to
             judge
             of
             most
             of
             his
             Stories
             ,
             Letters
             ,
             Relations
             ?
          
        
         
           
             3.
             
          
           
             Whether
             this
             late
             Book
             called
             
               Gangrena
               ,
            
             where
             there
             are
             so
             many
             Letters
             writ
             to
             the
             
               Reverend
               Mr
               Edwards
               ,
            
             to
             the
             
               Worthy
               Mr
               Edwards
               ,
            
             to
             the
             
               Good
               Mr
               Edwards
               ,
            
             to
             the
             
               Father
               Mr
               Edwards
               ,
            
             to
             the
             
               Worthy
               ,
               Reverend
               ,
               good
               Mr
               Edwards
               ,
            
             with
             divers
             other
             insinuations
             of
             his
             own
             worth
             ,
             be
             not
             a
             way
             of
             seeking
             
               glory
               ,
            
             and
             
               praise
               from
               men
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             4.
             
          
           
             Whether
             so
             many
             Lettters
             as
             are
             in
             the
             
               Book
            
             called
             
               Grangrena
               ,
            
             where
             there
             is
             not
             one
             
               name
            
             subscribed
             ,
             may
             not
             be
             as
             well
             written
             from
             
               Mr
               Edwards
               ,
            
             as
             to
             
               him
               :
            
             and
             whether
             the
             
               Authours
            
             of
             those
             
               Letters
            
             whose
             name
             are
             suppressed
             ,
             are
             not
             afraid
             to
             be
             questioned
             for
             their
             
               Relations
               ,
            
             and
             therefore
             have
             either
             concealed
             their
             names
             
               themselves
               ,
            
             or
             
               Mr
               Edwards
            
             for
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             5.
             
          
           
             Whether
             the
             great
             reasonings
             and
             conflicts
             ,
             which
             
               Mr
               Edwards
            
             saith
             he
             had
             in
             his
             spirit
             in
             the
             writing
             of
             this
             
               book
               ,
            
             and
             sayes
             were
             only
             
               carnall
               conflicts
               ,
            
             were
             not
             rather
             
               conflicts
            
             with
             that
             
               spirit
            
             of
             
               God
               ,
            
             which
             breathed
             on
             him
             more
             
               love
            
             and
             
               charity
            
             to
             his
             
               Brethren
               ,
            
             then
             it
             seemes
             hee
             would
             receive
             at
             that
             time
             .
          
        
         
         
           
             6.
             
          
           
             Whether
             his
             accusing
             the
             
               Parliament
            
             and
             
               Army
               ,
            
             the
             
               one
            
             for
             tolerating
             as
             never
             
               Christian
               State
               or
               Magistrate
               were
               known
               to
               do
               ;
            
             the
             
               other
               for
               Antinomianism
               ,
               Independency
               ,
               Familisme
               ,
               Seraphinisme
               ,
               &c.
            
             be
             not
             of
             high
             and
             dangerous
             insinuation
             to
             the
             people
             at
             such
             a
             juncture
             of
             time
             ,
             and
             of
             desperate
             
               irritation
            
             to
             our
             
               Brethren
            
             of
             
               Scotland
               ,
            
             and
             is
             against
             the
             Solemn
             
               League
            
             and
             
               Covenant
               ,
            
             one
             great
             
               Article
            
             of
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             7.
             
          
           
             Whether
             this
             be
             a
             sufficient
             confutation
             of
             my
             
               Book
            
             called
             the
             
               Smoak
               in
               the
               Temple
               ,
            
             to
             call
             it
             
               a
               Book
               of
               errors
               ,
            
             as
             he
             doth
             in
             Page
             3.
             Epist.
             and
             in
             Page
             180.
             where
             he
             saith
             only
             ,
             
               this
               is
               an
               errour
               ,
            
             and
             
               that
               is
               an
               erour
               ,
            
             without
             the
             least
             particle
             of
             
               Reason
            
             or
             
               Scripture
            
             to
             prove
             it
             ;
             where
             if
             meere
             accusations
             may
             passe
             for
             
               crimes
               ,
            
             I
             wonder
             hee
             made
             his
             book
             so
             large
             ,
             and
             rather
             summed
             not
             all
             up
             into
             one
             
               grand
               affirmative
               ,
            
             viz.
             
               This
               is
               all
               heresie
               ,
            
             and
             so
             have
             spared
             the
             
               Reader
            
             much
             
               paines
               ,
            
             and
             
               himselfe
            
             much
             
               paper
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             8.
             
          
           
             Whether
             hath
             
               Mr
               Edwards
            
             delt
             faithfully
             and
             ingenuously
             as
             became
             a
             
               Brother
               ,
            
             pretending
             to
             so
             much
             
               clearnesse
            
             and
             
               integrity
            
             of
             
               spirit
            
             (
             and
             which
             makes
             me
             suspect
             him
             in
             the
             rest
             )
             
               viz.
            
             to
             charge
             me
             with
             positive
             errours
             (
             which
             my
             
               Book
            
             can
             witnesse
             to
             the
             world
             )
             I
             writ
             as
             
               exceptions
            
             to
             serve
             a
             
               design
               of
               Peace
               and
               reconciliation
               ,
            
             and
             not
             as
             my
             opinions
             ?
          
        
         
           
             9.
             
          
           
             Whether
             the
             design
             which
             
               Mr
               Edwards
            
             pretends
             in
             setting
             forth
             his
             Book
             ,
             
               viz.
            
             to
             make
             the
             
               blasphemies
            
             and
             
               errours
               of
               the
               times
            
             (
             as
             he
             calls
             them
             )
             
               to
               be
               detested
               ,
            
             is
             not
             rather
             a
             farre
             contrary
             design
             ,
             
               viz.
            
             to
             spread
             poyson
             ,
             infect
             many
             souls
             who
             by
             this
             shall
             come
             to
             the
             knowledge
             of
             such
             things
             as
             they
             never
             heard
             before
             ,
             having
             provided
             no
             
               Antidote
               ,
            
             nor
             any
             Answer
             of
             
               Scripture
            
             or
             
               reason
            
             against
             them
             ,
             but
             meerely
             contradictions
             ,
             
             and
             ill
             words
             ;
             it
             was
             observed
             that
             some
             books
             set
             forth
             for
             the
             discovery
             of
             
               Witch-craft
               ,
            
             made
             many
             
               Witches
               ;
            
             and
             so
             who
             knows
             how
             many
             
               hereticks
            
             he
             may
             make
             by
             this
             his
             
               pretended
               design
            
             against
             them
             ;
             sure
             either
             some
             of
             the
             
               heresies
            
             or
             diseases
             were
             so
             above
             his
             
               cure
            
             or
             
               remedy
               ,
            
             or
             he
             had
             a
             counter
             design
             to
             make
             
               Hereticks
            
             or
             the
             
               wisdome
            
             of
             his
             design
             was
             turned
             into
             
               folly
               ,
            
             making
             
               Hereticks
            
             by
             writing
             against
             
               them
               .
            
          
        
      
       
         
           Mr.
           
             EDVVARDS
          
           Designes
           AGAINST
           His
           
             Brethren
          
           that
           differ
           from
           him
           .
        
         
           
             Gangrena
             p.
             164.
             
          
           
             Let
             us
             fill
             all
             Presses
             ,
             and
             make
             all
             Pulpits
             ring
             ,
             and
             so
             possesse
             Parliament
             ,
             City
             and
             whole
             Kingdome
             against
             Sects
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               this
               be
               not
               according
               as
               the
               Priests
               and
               Elders
               did
               about
               Christs
               ,
               Resurrection
               ,
               saying
               to
               the
               Souldiers
               ,
               say
               you
               
                 they
                 stole
                 him
                 away
                 ,
                 and
                 if
                 any
                 thing
                 come
                 to
                 the
                 governours
                 eare
                 ,
                 wee
                 will
                 perswade
                 him
                 ,
              
               that
               is
               ,
               let
               us
               cry
               out
               they
               are
               all
               Hereticks
               and
               Schismaticks
               ,
               and
               we
               will
               perswade
               the
               
                 Governours
              
               that
               it
               is
               so
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Edwards
            
             Book
             ,
             p.
             172.
             
          
           
             Let
             the
             Magistrate
             put
             out
             some
             Declarations
             declaring
             they
             shall
             be
             proceeded
             against
             as
             Vagrants
             and
             Rogues
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               is
               this
               wisedome
               like
               that
               from
               above
               which
               is
               first
               
                 pure
                 ,
                 then
                 peaceable
                 :
              
               whether
               these
               be
               such
               words
               as
               the
               Angel
               give
               who
               would
               not
               give
               the
               very
               Divel
               himself
               ill
               language
               ,
               but
               
                 The
                 Lord
                 rebuke
                 thee
                 O
                 Satan
                 .
              
            
          
        
         
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Edwards
            
             Book
             ,
             Epist
             ,
             
               page
            
             4.
             
          
           
             When
             I
             thinke
             of
             
               &c.
            
             how
             many
             powerfull
             Sermons
             you
             have
             had
             preached
             before
             you
             about
             the
             Covenant
             against
             the
             Sects
             ,
             the
             many
             Petitions
             ,
             and
             yet
             how
             little
             is
             done
             
               &c.
               
            
             God
             accounts
             all
             those
             
               Errors
               ,
               Heresies
               ,
            
             let
             alone
             and
             suffered
             ,
             to
             be
             the
             sins
             of
             those
             who
             have
             power
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
            
             
               Whether
               is
               not
               this
               a
               representing
               to
               the
               world
               and
               a
               publike
               insinuation
               that
               the
               Parliament
               are
               Sermon
               sleighters
               ,
               Covenant
               breakers
               
                 hereticall
                 ,
                 unjust
                 ,
                 Petition
                 .
                 sleighters
                 ,
              
               and
               whether
               this
               ought
               not
               to
               have
               been
               rather
               represented
               by
               him
               in
               private
               papers
               ,
               then
               thus
               to
               arraign
               them
               before
               the
               people
               ,
               and
               to
               make
               themvile
               in
               the
               eyes
               of
               the
               world
               ,
               who
               have
               exceeded
               all
               their
               
                 Predecessors
              
               in
               being
               tender
               of
               the
               blood
               and
               sufferings
               of
               Gods
               people
               ,
               and
               giving
               the
               Churches
               rest
               ,
               for
               which
               they
               have
               prospered
               more
               in
               the
               field
               in
               victories
               for
               this
               their
               peace
               at
               home
               ,
               then
               ever
               before
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Edwards
            
             p.
             2
             ,
             Epist.
             to
             
               Gangrena
               .
            
          
           
             You
             have
             done
             worthily
             against
             Papists
             and
             Prelates
             ,
             
               &c.
            
             but
             what
             have
             you
             done
             against
             other
             kinde
             of
             growing
             evils
             ,
             Heresies
             ,
             Libertines
             ,
             
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               is
               not
               this
               to
               charge
               upon
               the
               Parliament
               ,
               all
               those
               things
               which
               hee
               so
               grosly
               aggravates
               to
               the
               world
               as
               
                 Blasphemies
                 ,
              
               &c.
               and
               to
               bury
               all
               the
               Honour
               of
               the
               
                 Good
              
               they
               have
               done
               ,
               in
               the
               Sepulcher
               of
               the
               
                 Evill
              
               which
               he
               sayth
               they
               are
               now
               in
               doing
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             Mr
             Edwards
             Epist.
          
           
             Noble
             Senatours
             ,
             be
             pleased
             to
             pardon
             the
             boldnesse
             I
             shall
             take
             ,
             &c.
             not
             to
             impute
             it
             to
             my
             malignity
             ,
             &c.
             
             I
             am
             one
             who
             out
             of
             choice
             ,
             and
             of
             judgement
             ,
             have
             embarqued
             my selfe
             with
             you
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               doth
               it
               not
               clearly
               appear
               by
               this
               apology
               and
               insinuation
               of
               his
               own
               worth
               and
               good
               affections
               ,
               that
               he
               knew
               well
               to
               what
               a
               
                 Crime
              
               and
               
                 Transgression
              
               both
               against
               Parliament
               and
               Piety
               the
               
                 Book
              
               he
               had
               writ
               would
               amount
               to
               ,
               and
               therefore
               bespake
               their
               
                 just
                 Indignation
              
               and
               
                 Censure
              
               before
               hand
               ,
               with
               this
               story
               of
               his
               good
               affections
               ,
               and
               imbarquing
               himselfe
               for
               them
               .
            
             
               Whether
               did
               Mr
               
                 Edwards
              
               consider
               the
               Parliaments
               
                 Honour
                 ,
                 Quality
                 ,
                 Capacity
                 ,
              
               that
               durst
               entitle
               them
               to
               the
               Patronage
               of
               such
               
                 immodest
                 ,
                 ridiculous
                 Stories
              
               and
               
                 Tales
                 ,
              
               as
               he
               brings
               in
               his
               
                 Gangraena
                 ?
              
            
          
        
      
       
         
           AN
           EXPOSTVLATION
           With
           Mr
           
             EDVVARDS
          
           VPON
           His
           Book
           called
           GANGRAENA
           .
        
         
           
             SIR
             ,
          
        
         
           THE
           uncharitable
           expressions
           of
           your
           Book
           against
           those
           who
           see
           not
           by
           your
           
             Light
             ,
          
           and
           write
           not
           by
           your
           
             Candles
          
           your
           binding
           up
           the
           
             Tares
          
           with
           the
           
             Wheat
          
           together
           ,
           and
           the
           
             pretious
          
           with
           the
           
             vile
             ;
          
           your
           trampling
           upon
           your
           Brethren
           as
           
           the
           mire
           in
           the
           streets
           ,
           have
           forced
           my
           
             Spirit
          
           into
           these
           few
           Queries
           :
           
             for
             Sions
             sake
             I
             cannot
             hold
             my
             peace
             .
          
        
         
           The
           Designes
           of
           your
           Book
           seem
           to
           be
           these
           ;
        
         
           1
           A
           Designe
           of
           
             Provocation
          
           to
           the
           Magistrate
           against
           your
           Brethren
           .
        
         
           2
           Of
           
             Accusation
             ,
          
           under
           the
           old
           Project
           of
           Hereticks
           and
           Schismaticks
           .
        
         
           3
           Of
           
             Historicall
             Recreation
          
           to
           the
           people
           ,
           that
           they
           may
           make
           themselves
           sport
           with
           the
           
             Beleevers
          
           that
           differ
           from
           ye
           ,
           as
           the
           
             Philistins
          
           with
           
             Sampson
          
           upon
           the
           Stage
           .
        
         
           Can
           your
           wounded
           Brethren
           make
           yee
           good
           musick
           ?
           Can
           their
           faylings
           make
           ye
           more
           innocent
           ?
           Or
           their
           sinnes
           make
           ye
           more
           spirituall
           ?
        
         
           You
           would
           have
           
             all
             the
             Beleevers
             that
             are
             not
             of
             your
             minde
             ,
             banished
          
           &c.
           will
           you
           who
           pretend
           your selfe
           to
           be
           a
           friend
           ,
           be
           such
           an
           enemy
           to
           the
           State
           ,
           as
           to
           cut
           off
           (
           like
           
             Nero
          
           the
           Tyrants
           wish
           )
           so
           many
           thousand
           of
           their
           faithfull
           servants
           at
           a
           blow
           ,
           in
           such
           a
           
             juncture
          
           of
           time
           when
           they
           need
           so
           many
           ?
           Ought
           ye
           to
           work
           off
           so
           many
           
             choyce
             ones
          
           from
           this
           Cause
           ,
           till
           you
           have
           as
           many
           more
           of
           your
           way
           for
           their
           places
           ,
           and
           till
           as
           many
           Battels
           ,
           yeares
           ,
           experiments
           ,
           prove
           them
           as
           gloriously
           faithfull
           ,
           as
           these
           are
           ;
           is
           this
           faire
           dealing
           with
           the
           State
           ?
        
         
           You
           have
           brought
           forth
           before
           Israel
           and
           the
           Sunne
           ,
           many
           pretended
           sinnes
           and
           crimes
           of
           your
           Brethren
           :
           Suppose
           they
           should
           write
           by
           your
           copy
           ,
           and
           bring
           forth
           the
           Assembly
           sins
           ,
           the
           crimes
           of
           all
           those
           of
           your
           way
           ,
           of
           all
           the
           Divines
           and
           others
           that
           you
           take
           in
           ,
           and
           rake
           back
           into
           the
           ashes
           of
           their
           unregenerate
           condition
           ,
           keep
           Almanacks
           for
           the
           yeares
           and
           dayes
           of
           their
           faylings
           ,
           watch
           their
           haltings
           in
           all
           things
           they
           say
           or
           do
           ,
           tell
           all
           the
           Stories
           of
           them
           they
           heare
           ,
           what
           would
           the
           next
           generation
           think
           of
           their
           Book
           and
           yours
           ?
           At
           this
           rate
           of
           writing
           they
           would
           not
           read
           one
           honest
           man
           of
           all
           their
           forefathers
           ,
           yet
           this
           is
           your
           course
           and
           method
           .
        
         
           I
           have
           done
           for
           this
           time
           ,
           and
           I
           hope
           all
           that
           are
           not
           enchanted
           with
           the
           
             Gorgons
             head
          
           of
           
             Hereticks
          
           and
           
             Schismaticks
          
           and
           
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
          
           (
           as
           your
           own
           Smectymnians
           say
           )
           will
           read
           and
           judge
           .
           I
           had
           said
           more
           to
           ye
           ,
           had
           you
           printed
           us
           more
           
           
             Reason
             ,
          
           and
           lesse
           
             Reviling
             ,
          
           and
           something
           more
           then
           
             Stories
          
           and
           
             Winter
             Tales
             .
          
        
         
           And
           for
           our
           
             Licenser
             ,
          
           whom
           you
           so
           rayl
           at
           ,
           he
           is
           so
           much
           a
           friend
           to
           all
           the
           world
           of
           Beleevers
           ,
           as
           to
           give
           them
           the
           Scripture
           liberty
           of
           proving
           and
           
             trying
             all
             things
             ;
          
           and
           not
           to
           silence
           the
           
             Presse
             ,
          
           as
           some
           would
           ,
           and
           as
           the
           Prelates
           did
           silence
           the
           
             Pulpit
             .
          
        
         
           And
           now
           let
           any
           age
           ,
           weighing
           all
           the
           differences
           (
           excepting
           the
           Blasphemies
           ,
           &c.
           )
           and
           the
           nature
           of
           them
           ,
           nakedly
           without
           
             aggravations
             ,
          
           and
           
             fallacy
          
           of
           words
           ,
           bring
           forth
           a
           Book
           printed
           in
           such
           
             Letters
             of
             Blood
             ,
          
           as
           this
           
             Gangrena
             ?
          
           binde
           up
           all
           the
           
             Oxford
             Aulicusses
             ,
          
           the
           
             Mountagues
             ,
          
           the
           
             Pocklingtons
             ,
          
           and
           see
           if
           this
           
             Gangrena
          
           do
           not
           exceed
           them
           all
           ;
           this
           is
           
             Persecution
          
           and
           
             Prelacy
          
           sublimate
           .
        
         
           And
           yet
           for
           all
           this
           ,
           I
           would
           not
           have
           the
           
             Civill
             power
          
           drawn
           against
           you
           ,
           (
           if
           we
           had
           all
           the
           Magistrates
           on
           our
           side
           )
           but
           rather
           that
           you
           may
           in
           the
           flowings
           of
           a
           more
           
             hevenly
             spirit
             ,
          
           with
           your
           head
           of
           waters
           ,
           and
           your
           eyes
           a
           fountain
           of
           teares
           ,
           write
           against
           your
           own
           Book
           ,
           and
           let
           the
           world
           see
           that
           
             Men
          
           in
           these
           times
           are
           not
           
             Infallible
             ,
          
           as
           you
           all
           conclude
           ,
           but
           may
           mistake
           their
           Brethren
           for
           Enemies
           ,
           some
           Truths
           for
           Errours
           ,
           and
           Zeal
           for
           Persecution
           ,
           as
           the
           very
           Iewes
           did
           when
           they
           crucified
           Christ
           ,
           as
           they
           thought
           ,
           for
           Blasphemy
           ;
           
             And
             some
             shall
             kill
             ye
             ,
          
           sayth
           Christ
           ,
           
             and
             think
             they
             do
             God
             good
             service
             .
          
        
      
       
       
         
           A
           Parallel
           between
           the
           
             Prelacy
          
           and
           the
           
             Presbytery
             .
          
        
         
           
             Quaere
             .
          
           
             VVHether
             if
             we
             should
             reply
             to
             
               Mr
               Edwards
            
             in
             his
             own
             words
             ,
             and
             as
             
               Solomon
            
             saith
             ,
             
               answer
               him
               according
               to
               his
               ,
               &c.
            
             we
             might
             not
             compare
             things
             as
             followeth
             ,
             and
             trace
             up
             their
             proceedings
             into
             the
             very
             mystery
             of
             
               Prelacy
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             1.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             were
             ordained
             Ministers
             by
             the
             Bishops
             .
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               ,
               the
               Divines
               that
               sit
               now
               are
               Ordained
               by
               the
               same
               power
               of
               Bishops
               to
               be
               Ministers
               ,
               and
               so
               by
               that
               power
               ordaine
               others
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             2.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             when
             they
             had
             made
             Canons
             ,
             procured
             the
             power
             of
             the
             State
             to
             impose
             them
             upon
             all
             the
             Kingdome
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               said
               ,
               the
               Divines
               now
               get
               the
               same
               power
               to
               what
               they
               decree
               ,
               and
               accordingly
               impose
               them
               upon
               the
               Kingdom
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             3.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             composed
             one
             great
             Service-Book
             for
             direction
             to
             uniformity
             of
             worship
             ,
             according
             as
             they
             had
             ordered
             under
             penalties
             ,
             yet
             without
             the
             least
             word
             of
             Scripture
             to
             prove
             the
             truth
             of
             any
             thing
             in
             it
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               ,
               Divines
               have
               composed
               one
               great
               book
               accordingly
               now
               for
               the
               like
               uniformity
               ,
               
                 viz.
              
               the
               Directory
               to
               be
               observed
               under
               fines
               and
               penalties
               ;
               and
               yet
               without
               the
               least
               word
               or
               title
               of
               Scripture
               to
               prove
               the
               truth
               of
               any
               thing
               in
               it
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             4.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             ordered
             that
             from
             that
             Book
             Prayers
             should
             be
             read
             to
             the
             people
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               ,
               the
               Divines
               now
               have
               not
               east
               the
               Prayers
               of
               the
               Spirit
               into
               such
               Formes
               and
               Methods
               ,
               that
               a
               little
               invention
               will
               make
               them
               as
               stinted
               currant
               and
               legible
               Formes
               as
               before
               ,
               and
               accordingly
               read
               in
               divers
               places
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             5.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             counted
             all
             that
             would
             not
             conforme
             to
             them
             ,
             Schismaticall
             and
             Hereticall
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               ,
               the
               Divines
               now
               count
               not
               all
               so
               that
               will
               not
               be
               uniforme
               with
               them
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             6.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             forbade
             all
             to
             Preach
             and
             Print
             ,
             that
             did
             not
             Preach
             and
             Print
             for
             their
             way
             of
             worship
             and
             Government
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               ,
               the
               Divines
               now
               would
               not
               have
               all
               hindred
               from
               Pulpit
               and
               Presse
               that
               will
               not
               be
               of
               way
               of
               Worship
               and
               Government
               with
               them
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             7.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             possessed
             themselves
             of
             the
             States
             power
             and
             favour
             .
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               ,
               the
               Divines
               now
               wholly
               labour
               after
               the
               same
               interest
               ,
               both
               in
               Parliament
               and
               other
               Counsels
               ?
            
          
        
         
         
           
             8.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             had
             their
             Licensers
             to
             stop
             all
             that
             write
             against
             their
             power
             and
             pompe
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               ,
               the
               Divines
               now
               labour
               to
               engrosse
               the
               power
               of
               licensing
               only
               to
               themselves
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             9.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             had
             for
             part
             of
             their
             Government
             ,
             Fines
             ,
             Pillories
             ,
             Whips
             ,
             Imprisonment
             .
          
           
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               ,
               the
               Divines
               now
               have
               those
               very
               things
               for
               part
               of
               theirs
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             10.
             
          
           
             The
             
               Prelates
            
             had
             
               Parishes
            
             for
             their
             
               Churches
               ,
            
             and
             
               Tythes
            
             for
             their
             maintenance
             .
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               have
               the
               same
               Parishes
               now
               for
               Churches
               ,
               the
               same
               Tithes
               for
               maintenance
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             11.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             called
             all
             other
             meetings
             but
             their
             Parish-meetings
             ,
             Conventicles
             .
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               call
               the
               Churches
               and
               people
               that
               meet
               now
               together
               apart
               from
               them
               ,
               Conventicles
               ,
               as
               formerly
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             12.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             called
             the
             Non-conformists
             factious
             troublers
             of
             the
             State
             .
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               do
               accordingly
               call
               any
               that
               write
               or
               oppose
               their
               Presbytery
               ,
               
                 factious
              
               and
               
                 State-troublers
                 ?
              
            
          
        
         
           
             13.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             ever
             accused
             their
             Non-conforming
             Brethren
             to
             the
             King
             and
             Councell
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               accordingly
               accuse
               their
               Non-conforming
               Brethren
               to
               the
               Parliament
               and
               other
               Councels
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             14.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             had
             a
             designe
             to
             send
             all
             their
             Non-conforming
             brethren
             to
             strange
             Kingdomes
             as
             
               New
               England
               .
            
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               endeavour
               to
               send
               their
               Non-conforming
               Brethren
               to
               other
               places
               out
               of
               the
               Kingdome
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             15.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             ingrossed
             all
             the
             Preaching
             and
             preferring
             Divines
             to
             all
             places
             of
             honour
             and
             popularity
             in
             the
             Kingdom
             to
             themselves
             .
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               do
               accordingly
               preferre
               to
               all
               places
               of
               publique
               trust
               ,
               honour
               ,
               and
               employment
               ,
               as
               Vniversities
               ,
               Navy
               ,
               Armies
               ,
               Garrison-Towns
               ,
               Counties
               ,
               Cities
               ,
               &
               c
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             16.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             would
             not
             suffer
             men
             whom
             they
             called
             Lay-men
             to
             speak
             of
             the
             Scriptures
             .
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               do
               forbid
               and
               contemne
               all
               Lay-mens
               gifts
               in
               the
               same
               manner
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             17.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             would
             not
             suffer
             any
             to
             goe
             from
             the
             Parish
             Minister
             .
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               accordingly
               labour
               to
               have
               all
               keep
               to
               heir
               Parishes
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             18.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             called
             Truths
             which
             they
             received
             not
             ,
             New
             Lights
             ,
             Errours
             .
          
           
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               accordingly
               call
               all
               things
               they
               receive
               not
               ,
               
                 New
                 Lights
                 ,
                 Whimsies
                 ,
                 Errors
                 .
              
            
          
        
         
           
             19.
             
          
           
             The
             Prelates
             laboured
             to
             scandalize
             their
             Non-conforming
             Brethren
             with
             Nick-names
             ,
             
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               may
               it
               not
               be
               said
               the
               Divines
               now
               accordingly
               labour
               to
               make
               their
               Non-conforming
               brethren
               vile
               and
               scandalous
               to
               the
               Kingdom
               ?
            
             
               
                 Ezek.
                 18.
                 2.
                 
              
               Thus
               the
               fathers
               have
               eaten
               soure
               grapes
               ,
               and
               the
               childrens
               teeth
               are
               set
               on
               edge
               .
            
             
               Thus
               if
               we
               would
               compare
               
                 crimes
              
               and
               
                 times
                 ,
              
               we
               might
               write
               and
               speake
               .
            
          
           
             
               Quere
               .
            
             
               Whether
               Mr.
               
                 Edwards
              
               in
               reckoning
               up
               divers
               things
               for
               
                 Errors
                 ,
              
               hath
               not
               much
               aspersed
               his
               own
               Brethren
               Doctor
               
                 Twisse
                 ,
              
               Mr.
               
                 Gattaker
              
               and
               many
               others
               in
               many
               Doctrinall
               points
               they
               hold
               ?
            
          
        
      
       
       
         
           The
           Testimony
           of
           Mr.
           
             Samuel
             Ruthorford
          
           one
           of
           the
           
             Scotch
             Commissioners
          
           in
           the
           last
           Page
           of
           his
           Epistle
           to
           the
           Reader
           in
           his
           Book
           Intituled
           ,
           
             The
             Divine
             Right
             of
             Church
             Government
             and
             Excommunication
             .
          
        
         
           No
           incroaching
           on
           Christs
           Prerogative
           ,
        
         
           BUt
           it
           is
           a
           controversie
           (
           say
           some
           )
           whether
           the
           Government
           of
           the
           Church
           of
           the
           New
           Testament
           ,
           belong
           to
           the
           Magistrate
           or
           to
           the
           Church
           ?
           To
           which
           I
           say
           ,
           1.
           
           It
           was
           a
           controversie
           created
           by
           men
           willing
           to
           please
           Princes
           ,
           with
           more
           power
           in
           the
           courts
           of
           Christ
           then
           ever
           the
           Lawgiver
           and
           Apostles
           gave
           them
           ,
           and
           that
           against
           the
           mind
           of
           glorious
           Lights
           ,
           the
           first
           Reformers
           ,
           and
           the
           whole
           Troop
           of
           Protestant
           Divines
           who
           studied
           the
           controversie
           against
           the
           usurped
           Monarchy
           of
           the
           man
           of
           sin
           ,
           more
           exactly
           then
           one
           Phy●●tian
           ,
           who
           in
           a
           cursory
           way
           diverted
           off
           his
           Road
           of
           Medicine
           of
           which
           he
           wrote
           learnedly
           ,
           and
           broke
           in
           on
           the
           by
           upon
           the
           deepest
           Polemicks
           of
           divinity
           ,
           and
           reached
           a
           riders
           blow
           unawares
           to
           his
           Friends
           .
           2.
           
           In
           things
           doubtfull
           conscience
           hath
           refuge
           to
           the
           surest
           side
           :
           Now
           it
           s
           granted
           by
           all
           ,
           and
           not
           controverted
           by
           any
           ,
           that
           in
           the
           Apostolique
           Church
           ,
           the
           government
           of
           the
           Church
           of
           the
           New
           Testament
           was
           in
           the
           hands
           of
           Apostles
           ,
           Pastors
           ,
           Teachers
           ;
           and
           therefore
           Conscience
           would
           sway
           to
           that
           in
           which
           there
           can
           be
           no
           Error
           ,
           except
           on
           supposall
           of
           abuse
           ;
           and
           Christian
           Rulers
           would
           not
           do
           well
           to
           venture
           upon
           Eternity
           ,
           wrath
           ,
           the
           judgement
           to
           come
           ;
           confiding
           on
           the
           poor
           plea
           of
           an
           
             Erastian
          
           distinction
           ,
           to
           incroach
           upon
           the
           Prerogative
           royall
           of
           Iesus
           Christ
           .
        
         
           FINIS
           .
        
      
    
     
       
         Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
         
           Notes for div A93642e-1100
           
             See
             the
             Ministers
             Book
             called
             
               Smectymnuus
               ,
            
             presented
             to
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             sect.
             18.
             printed
             1641.
             
          
           
             Mr
             
               Edwards
               .
            
          
           
             See
             the
             same
             
               Smect.
            
             sect.
             2.
             
          
           
             See
             
               Smect.
            
             sect.
             2.
             
          
           
             1
             A
             some
             .
          
           
             2
             Or
             some
             
          
           
             3
             Or
             some
             ▪
             
          
           
             
               See
            
             Smect.
             Quaere
             2.
             
          
           
             See
             the
             same
             
               Quaere
            
             2.
             
          
           
             See
             the
             same
             
               Quaere
               .
            
             unlesse
             there
             be
             a
             uniformity
             .
          
           
             
               Smect.
            
             sect.
             2.
             
          
           
             *
             
               Viz.
            
             in
             the
             worship
             now
             .
          
           
             See
             
               Smect.
            
             sect.
             2.
             
          
           
             See
             
               Smect.
            
             sect.
             2.
             
          
           
             See
             
               Smect.
            
             sect.
             2.
             
          
           
             See
             
               Smect
            
             sect.
             7
             ,
             8.
             
          
           
             See
             
               Smect.
            
             sect.
             13.
             
          
           
             Sect.
             11.
             
          
           
             The
             same
             
               Smect.
            
             sect.
             16.
             
          
           
             
               Smect.
            
             in
             
               Quaere
            
             about
             Episc.
          
           
             See
             
               Smect.
            
             Ep●st
             .
          
           
             See
             
               Smect.
            
             Epist.
          
           
             
               Smect.
            
             sect.
             3.
             
          
           
             See
             Sect.
             28.
             
          
           
             Sect.
             the
             
               {non-Roman}
               {non-Roman}
               {non-Roman}
               {non-Roman}
               {non-Roman}
            
             .
          
           
             Smect.
             sect.
             17.
             
          
           
             Sect.
             the
             same
             .
          
           
             Sect.
             the
             same
             
          
           
             See
             Sect.
             the
             same
             .
          
           
             See
             Smect.
             sect.
             13.
             
          
           
             Sect.
             the
             same
             .
          
        
         
           Notes for div A93642e-5160
           
             Mr
             
               Marshals
            
             serm.
             
               Novemb.
            
             17
             1640.
             
          
           
             M●
             .
             
               Case
            
             Sermon
             
               Gods
               waiting
               ,
            
             p.
             62.
             
          
           
             Rev.
             17.
             12
             ,
             13.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             
               Edw
               :
            
             his
             
               Gangrena
               .
            
          
           
             Ezra
             8.
             22.
             
          
        
         
           Notes for div A93642e-6670
           
             Mr.
             
               Perkins
            
             Aquinas
             sum
             .