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Edinburgh , Printed by the Heir of Andrew Anderson , Printer to His most Sacred Majesty , Anno DOM. 1685. The Tryal and Process of High-Treason , and Doom of Forefaulture against Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood Traitor . CVria Justiciariae S. D. N. Regis tenta in praetorio burgi de Edinburgh viges●mo tertio die mensis Decembris 1684. Per nobilem & Potentem Comitem Georgium Comitem de Linlithgow , Dominum Livingstoun , &c. Justiciarium generalem totius Regni Scotiae , & honorabiles viros , Domines Jacobum Foulis de Colintoun Justiciariae Clericum , Joannem Lockhart de Castlehill , Davidem Balfour de Forret , Rogerum Hoge de Harcarss , Alexandrum Seaton de Pitmedden , & Patricium Lyon de Carss , Commissionarios Justiciariae dicti . S. D. N. Regis . Curia legitime affirmata . Intran Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood Prisoner INdited and accused , that where notwithstanding by the Common Law of this , and all other well Governed Nations , the Conspiring to overturn the Government of the Monarchy , or of the Established Government of this Kingdom , or the concealing , and not revealing of any Treasonable Design , Project , or Discourse tending thereto ; Or the assisting , aiding , or abaiting such as have any such Designs , does infer the Pains and Punishment of Treason . And by the third Act of the first Parliament of King James the First , The Rebelling openly against the Kings Person : and by the thretty seventh Act of His second Parliament , The Resetting , Maintaining , or doing favours to open , or not our Rebellers against the Kings Majesty , is Declared Treason , and punishable by Forefaulture . And by the hundred fourty and fourth ▪ Act of the twelfth Parliament of King James the Sixth , It is Declared Treason to Reset , Supply , or Intercommune with Traitors . And by the first Act of the first Session of His Majesties first Parliament , It is Declared , That it shall be High Treason for the Subjects of this Realm , or any number of them , less or more , upon any ground , or pretext whatsomever , to rise , or continue in Arms , to make Peace or War , without His Majesties special Approbation . And by the second Act of the second Session of His Majesties said first Parliament , To Plot , Contrive , or intend Death , or Destruction , or to put any Restraint upon His Majesties Royal Person , or to Deprive , Depose , or Suspend Him from the Exercise of His Royal Government , or to levy War , or take up Arms against His Majesty , or any Commissionated by Him , or to intice any Strangers , or others , to Invade any of His Majesties Dominions , or to Write , Print , or Speak any thing that may express or declare such their Treasonable Intentions , is declared Treason , and punishable as such . Likeas , by the second Act of His Majesties third Parliament ▪ It is Declared High Treason in any of the Subjects of this Realm , by Writing , Speaking , or any other manner of way to endeavour the alteration , Suspension , or Diversion of the Right of Succession , or debarring the next lawful Successour . Nevertheless , it is of verity that the said Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood , shaking of all fear of God , respect and regard to His Majesties Authority and Laws ; and having conceived most unjustly , a great and extraordinary malice and hatred against His Majesties Person and Government , and having designed most Traiterously to debar His Royal Highness , His Majesties only Brother , from His due Right of Succession , did amongst many other Traiterous Acts , tending ▪ to promove that wicked Design , endeavour to get himself Elected one of the Commissioners for Negotiating the settlement of a Colony of this Nation in Carolina , in one or other of the dayes of the Moneths of January , February , March , April , or May , One thousand six hundred and eighty three years ; and that he might thereby have the freer and better access to Treat with the Earls of Shaftsbury and Essex , the Lord Russel and others , who had entered into a Conspiracy in England against His Majesties Person and Government , and with Colonel Rumsay , Walcot , West , and Ferguson , and others who had likewise Conspired the Murder of His Majesties Sacred Person , and of the Person of His Royal Highness ; and finding that he could not get himself Elected one of the said Commissioners , he resolved to go to London upon his own expenses , and declared to severals ( whom he took great pains to draw in●o be his accomplices ) that his Design was to push foreward the People of England , who did nothing but talk , that they might go on effectually ; and after he had settled a Correspondency here , he did go up to London in one or other of the saids Moneths , with Sir John Cochran and Commissar Monro , and did then , and there , Transact with the saids Conspirators , or one or other of them , to get a sum of Money to the late Earl of Argile , a Declaired Traitor , for bringing home of Men and Arms , for raising a Rebellion against His Majesty , and invading this his Native Countrey ; and so earnest was he in the said Design , that he did chide those English Conspirators , for not sending the same timeously , and lamented the delayes used in it ; and perswaded the late Earl of Argile and others in his name to accept of any sum , rather than not to engage : and amongst the many meetings that he had at London , for carrying on the said Traiterous design , there was one at his own Chamber , where he did meet with the Lord Melvil , Sir John Cochran , and the Cessnocks Elder and Younger , and amongst others , with Mr. William Veatch a declared Traitor , and there he did treat of the carying on of the said Rebellion , and of the money to be furnished by the English for Argyle , for buying of Armes . And that if the Scots would attempt any thing for their own relief , they would get assistance of Horse from England ; and from that meeting , he or ane , or other of them did send down Mr. Robert Martin to prevent any rysing , till it should be seasonable for carying on of their Designs , which Mr. Robert , after he came to Scotland , did treat with Polwart and others , for carying on of the said Rebellion ; by securing His Majesties Officers of State , His Castles and Forces , and by putting his Correspondents here , and there Associats , in readiness , to assist the late Earl of Argyle , and after the said Mr. Baillie had engadged many of his Countrey-men in England , and had assured his Correspondantts here , that the English were resolved to seclud his Royal-Highness from his due right of Succession , thereby to encourage them to concur in the said Rebellion , and Exclusion , he flew to that hight , that he did particularly and closly correspond with Mr. Robert Ferguson , Sir Thomas Armstrong , Collonel Rumsay , and Walcot , who were accessory to that horrid part of the Conspiracy , which was designed against the Sacred Life of His Majesty , and the Life of His Royal-Highness , and did sit up several nights with them , concerting that bloody Massacer : at least the said Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood was , and is guilty of having correspondence with the late Earl of Argyle , and Mr. William Veatch declared Traitors , and of being art and part of an Conspiracy , for assisting of these who were to rise in armes against His Sacred Majesty , and for exclusion of His Royal Brother , and of concealing and not revealing the accession and proposals of others for that effect . Wherethrow he has committed , and is guilty of the Crymes of High Treason , Rebellion , and others abovespecified , and is art and part of the samine , which being found by ane Assize , he ought to be punished with Forfaulture of Life , Land and Goods , to the terror of others to commit the like hereafter . HIS Majesties Advocat produced an Act , and Warrand from the Lords of His Majesties most Honourable Privy Council , for pursuing , and insisting against the said Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood , whereof the Tenor follows : Edinburgh , The twenty two day of December , one thousand six hundred and eighty four years . The Lords of His Majesties Privy Council , do hereby give Order and Warrand to His Majesties Advocat , to pursue a Process of Treason and Forfaulture , before the Lords of His Majesties Justiciary , against Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood , to morrow at two a clock in the afternoon preceisly , and the saids Lords do hereby Require and Command , Sr. George Lockhart of Carnwath , and Sr. John Lauder Advocats , to concur , and assist in the said Process with His Majesties Advocat , from the intenting untill the end thereof , as they will be answerable upon their alledgance . Extract by me , sic subscribitur . Colin Mckenzie , Cls. Sti. Concilij . Pursuers . Sir George Mckenzie of Roshaugh Our Soveraign Lords Advocat Sir George Lockhart Sir John Lauder . Advocats . Procurators in Defence . Sir Patrick Hume . Mr. Walter Pringle . Mr. James Graham . Mr. Welliam Fletcher . Mr. William Baillie . Advocats . THE Pannals Procurators produced ane Act of His Majesties Privy Council , in their favours , wherof the tenor follows : Edinburgh , the twenty third of December , one thousand six hundred eighty four years , The Lords of His Majesties Privy Council having considered ane Address made to them , by Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood , now indited at the instance of His Majesties Advocat , before the Lords Commissioners of Justiciary , of Treason , do hereby Require and Command Sir Patrick Hume , Mr. Walter Pringle , Mr. James Graham , Mr. William Fletcher , Mr. James Falconer , Mr. William Baillie Advocats , to Consult , Compear , and Debate for the Petitioner , in the Process of Treason , mentioned in his Address , without any hazard , as they will be answerable at their peril ; Extract by me , sic Subscribitur . William Paterson , Cls. Sti. Concilij . AFter reading of the Inditement , the Lord Justice General required the Pannal to make answer thereto . The said Mr. Robert Baillie Pannal pleaded not Guilty . MR. Walter Pringle Advocat , as Procurator for the said Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood Pannal , alleadges that he ought not to passe to the knowledge of an Assize , because he had not got a Citation upon fyfteen days , or at least on a competent time , which is usual , and absolutely necessar in all Actions , and much more in Criminal Pursuits , especially , seing , if a competent time be not allowed to the Pannal , he is precludit of the benefit of ane exculpation , without which he cannot prove his Objections against Witnesses , or Assyzers , or any other Legal , or competent Defences ; And by the late Act of Parliament concerning the Justice Court , all Pannalls are allowed to raise Precepts of Exculpation , and thereupon to cite Witnesses , for proving the Objections against Witnesses , and Assyzers , which necessarily pre-supposeth , that a competent time must be allowed to the Pannal to execut his diligence , or otherwise , how is it possible he can prove an Defence of alibi , or any other just Defence : and as this is most consonant to that clear Act of Parliament , and to material Justice , and to the Rules of Humanity , so this point has been already fully and often decided , and lately in the case of one Robertson in July 1673. The Instance whereof , is given by His Majesties Advocat in his Book of Criminals , and Title of Libels , where the Lords found , that albeit Robertson got his Inditement in Prison , yet he behoved to get it upon fifteen dayes . HIs Majesties Advocat oppons the constant Tract of Decisions , whereby it is found , that a person Incarcerated may be Tryed upon twenty four houres ; and the late Act of Parliament is only in the case where a Summons or Libel is to be Raised ; but here there is no Libel or Summons , but only an Inditement ; nor was any Exculpation sought in this case , before the Tryal , which is the case provided for by the Act of Parliament . THe Lords , Justice-General , Justice-Clerk , and Commissioners of Justiciary , Repell the Defence , in respect the Pannal is a Prisoner , and that it has been the constant Custom of the Court , and that the Pannal made no former application for an Exculpation . SIr Patrick Hume for the Pannal , alleadges ( alwayes denying the Libel , and whole Members , and Qualifications thereof ) that in so far as the Libel is founded upon Harbouring , maintaining , and Intercommuning with the persons mentioned in the Dittay , the Pannal ought to be assoylzied ; because it is res hactenus judicata , he having been formerly pursued before the Lords of his Majesties Privy Council for the same Crimes , and Fined in an considerable Sum ; and therefore that Crime cannot now be made use of as a ground of Treason against the Pannal . HIs Majesties Advocat answers , That he Restricts his Libel , to the Pannals entering in a Conspiracy ; for raising Rebellion , and for procuring Money to be sent to the late Earl of Argile , for carrying on the said Rebellion ; and for concealing , and not revealing ; neither of which is referred to his Oath ; and consequently was not res judicata , there being nothing referred to his Oath ; but his Converse and Correspondence with some Ministers , and others within the Kingdom , and his own Gardiner , and his Writing Letters to my Lord Argile ; and oppons the Decreet of Council it self , and restricts the Libel to all the Crimes not insisted on in the Decreet . SIr Patrick Hume Replyes , That as to the Corresponding with the late Earl of Argile , at any time since his Forefaulture , was expresly proponed as an Interrogator to the Pannal in that Pursuit , at His Majesties Advocat's Instance against him , before the Lords of His Majesties Privy Council , and that not only his own Correspondence by himself ; but also by Major Holms , Mr. Carstares , Robert West , Thomas Shepherd , Richard Rumbold , and Collonel Rumsay , as the Interrogator bears , as appears by a double of the Act of Council , written by the Clerk of Councils Servant , and is offered to be proven by my Lord Advocats Oath : And as to any Correspondency with Mr. Veitch , it is not Relevant , since he was not Declared Rebel . SIr John Lauder for His Majesties Interest , answers , That he oppons the Decreet of Privy Council , where no such Interrogator was put to the Pannal , and the Decreet must make more Faith than any pretended Scroll , and cannot be taken away by His Majesties Advocats Oath , to His Majesties prejudice ; and for Mr. William Veitch , he stands expresly Forefault in anno 1667. and the Doom of Forefaulture , is Ratified in the Parliament 1669. SIr Patrick Hume oppons the Reply , That as to the Corresponding with Mr. Veitch , it does not appear , that he is the person mentioned in the Act of Parliament ; and albeit he were , as he is not , he having thereafter come home to Scoland , all the punishment inflicted upon him was Banishment , not to return under the pain of Death , which did take off any former Punishment ; and it was no Crime in any Person to Intercommune with him , especially in another Kingdom ; and by the late Act of Council in anno 1683. Even the Conversing , and Intercommuning with declared Traitors , is restricted to an Arbitrary punishment . HIs Majesties Advocat oppons the standing Doom of Forefaulture against Veitch , and the Proclamation , or Act of Council it ●elf . THe Lords , Justice-General , Justice-Clerk , and Commissioners of Justiciary , having considered the Libel , pursued by His Majesties Advocat , against Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood , with the Lord Advocats Declaration , whereby he Restricts the same to the Crimes not insisted on in the Decreet of Council formerly pronunced against the Pannal . They find the same Relevant as it is restricted , to infer the pain of Treason , and remits the same to the knowledge of the Assize , and Repells the remnant Defences proponed for the Pannal , in respect of the Decreet of Council produced , bearing no such thing as is alleadged , and of the answers made by His Majesties Advocat thereto . Assisa . The Earl of Strathmore . The Earl of Belcarras . Sir George Skeen , Provost of Aberdene . Sir James Fleming , late Provest of Edinburgh . Sir John Ramsay of Whitehill . Adam Hepburn of Humby . Andrew Bru●e of Earleshall . John Stuart , Tutor of Alpin . Alexander Miln of Carrin . Mr. James Elies of Stenhopsmilns . Sir William Drummond of Halthornden . Major Andrew White , Lieutennent of Edinburgh Castle , Mr. David Grahame , Sheriff of Wigtoun . Colin M ckenzie , Collector of Ross. David Burnet Merchant . THe Assise lawfully Sworn , no Objection of the Law in the contrary . HIis Majesties Advocat for Probation adduced the Witnesses and Writs aftermentioned ; and first , Walter Earl of Tarras . SIr Patrick Hume Procurator for the Pannal , objects against the Earl of Tarras , that he cannot be a Witness , because he is socius & particeps criminis ; and it is clear by the 34. Chap. Stat 2. Rob. 1. Concerning these that are excluded from bearing of Testimony that socij & participes ejusdem criminis , vel incarcerati & vinculati , cannot bear Testimony : As also , the Earl of Tarras being presently under an Inditement of High Treason , and under the Impressions of Fear , and Death , no person in his Circumstances can be admitted a Witness , as is not only clear from the foresaid Statute , but from the Common Law. HIs Majesties Advocat answers , That it is an exception from that Rule , both by the Common Law , and ours , that in the Crime of lese Majestie , and especially , that Branch therof , which we call a Conspiracy , socius criminis may be a witnes , and which is introduced very reasonably by Lawyers , to secure the common interest of mankind , which is the chief of all Interests ; and because Conspiracies cannot be otherwayes proved , and not to allow this manner of Probation , were to allow Treason , since no man can prove a Plot , but he that is upon it , and how can a man object against him as a Witness , whom himself trusted with his Life , his Fortune , and their common Plot , nor is the intenting of the lybel any stronger qualification , since every man that is socius criminis , is under the same impression , and it would rather seem the greater and nearer apprehensions a man has of death , he will be the more sincere and faithful ; Nor has the Earl of Tarras , nor did he ever seek any security , in order to his deponing . And this has been constantly , and latlie , conform to the common Law , as may be seen in the hundreds of Citations set down by Mascard , de probationibus , vol. 4. conclus . 1318. num . 21. and the contrary citations prove only , that regularly socius criminis cannot be a Witnes . SIr Patrick Hume replyes , that the Statutes of Robert the first is opponed , and non est distinguendum ubi lex non distinguit , and not only was he socius criminis , which is acknowledged , but he is incarceratus , and lying under an Indytment of high Treason , and has thrown himself on the Kings Mercy , and it is not proper he should be a Wintess , seing he is in the Kings Mercy , who may give him his life or not , and there was never a Person in these circumstances , that ever was admitted a Witness . MR. Walter Pringle adds , That the Earl of Tarras , is not only in the case of a person who stands Indyted for High-Treason ; but must be look'd upon , as a person condemned for the said Cryme , seing he fully , and amply confest the Cryme : & confessus habetur p●o convicto , and never any Lawyer asserted , That damnatus criminis lesa Majestatis could be admitted as a Witnes , and there is nothing more clear , then that by the common Law , and the Law of all Nations , this Objection ought to be sustained , for the Civil Law is clear , leg . 11. cod ▪ de testibus , and Matheus in his title de probationibus , cap. de testibus , doth assert positivlie , that the Cryme of lese Majestie , Heresie , and generally all these Crymes quae sine sociis non possuut facile admitti , are not excepted . And he asserts , that the Lawyers , viz. Gomesius , & Decianus , who are of another Opinion , do acknowledge , nominatum a reo damnandum non esse , and that they contravert only , An nominatio rei sit indicium sufficiens ad torquendum nominatum . SIr George Lockhart Repeats , and oppons the Answer , and the Cryme lybelled , being a Conspiration of Treason , which of it's own nature is manadged , and caryed on by Secrecie and Contrivance ; and which is only known to the Complices of the Treason , and which cannot be commited sine sociis , the Law of this Kingdom , and of all Nations , do allow socios criminis to be testes habiles , and not only are they admitted in the case of such Conjurations , but generally in omnibus criminibus exceptis , amongst which the Crime of Perduellion , and lese Majestie is the chief , and it is absolutly impossible , that Plots , and Conspirations of Treason can be otherwayes proven , then per socios , and such as are participes criminis , and which is the common opinion of all Lawyers , as may appear by Farin . Quest : 45. And the Authorities cited by him , and which is the inviolable practique of this Kingdom : and as to that pretence , that the Earl of Tarras is under a Process of Treason , and has submitted to His Majesties mercy , and that confessus habetur pro convicto , it imports nothing , and infers no more then that he is socius criminis , and is still a habil witnes , as to Conjuration of Treason socius criminis hoc ipso , that it is acknowledged , or proven , being still under the hazard of Process , or condemnation , which Law regards not in regard of the secrecie involved in the nature of the Crime , that either witnesses neque actu neque habitu , can be present , so that the objection amounts to no less then that Conjurations of Treason cannot at all be proven : And as to the Law cited from the Majestie , it imports no more then that the Objection regulariter pro●edit in Crimes , which of there own nature are not perdifficilis probationis , and are not inter crimina excepta such as the Cryme of Conspiracy and Treason is ▪ MR. William Fleteher Oppons the Objection , and Reply , and further adds , that albeit crimen lesae Majestatis be reckoned inter crimina excepta , and so have some priviledge , as to the qualification of Witnesses , yet it cannot be denyed , but there are some Objections competent against Witness adduced for proving Conspiracies , and Treason , verbi causa , that a Witnes is a Capital Enemy , or that he is sub potestate accusatoris , and the Objection new pleaded , being taken complexlie , viz. That the Earl of Tarras is not only socius criminis , but also , that he is publico judicio reus , upon the same Crime , and that as means to procure His Majesties favour , he has submitted himself , and come in His Majesties mercy , by an acknowledgment of the Cryme , before the Dyet of Citation , he is obnoxious to a most just Objection , viz. That he is sub potestate , and by the submissiou , and Confession , his Life and Estate is now in His Majesties hands , so that he is not only in the case of a reus confessus , but in the case of a Witnes , who does absolutely depend upon His Majesties Advocat the Pursuer ; and as a privat accuser , could not adduce his own Servants to be Witnesses , because they are testes domestici , and depend upon him , so far less ought a Witnes to be adduced , who not only depends , as to his Estate , but as to his Life , and the Law gives a very good reason , and which is mentioned by Paulus , lib. 1. receptarum sententiarum , cap. 12. parag . ult . In these words ▪ de se confessus , non est au●●endus ut testis , ne alienam salutem in dubium deducat qui de sua desperavit ; and as to the pretence that a Conjuration is a Cryme so occult , that it must either be proven by such Witnesses , or otherwayes the guilty person will escape . It is answered ▪ that in this case , His Majesties Advocat had an easie remedie , for he might have pursued the Pannal , before he pursued the Witnes , and the Terror and Apprehension of the event of a Process for Treason cannot be constructed otherwayes , then to have influence upon the Deposition of the Witnes ; and as to the Citation out of Farinacius , it is only in the case of socius criminis , but when he comes to treat de teste accusato vel carcerato . Quest. 56. articulo 4to . He sayes , Regula sit in accusato quod is pendente accusatione à testimonio repellitur ▪ and be the 2d . Rule of the same Article , He sayes , it is a principle quod carceratus testimonium ferre prohibetur , and he gives this reason , quia praesumitur , quod falsum testimonium diceret pro aliquo qui ei promiserit se liberare a vinculo , and limits this Rule , that he must be carceratus propter crimen . SIr Patrick Hume adds , that it is a certain principle , that any person that is guilty infamia juris , cannot be a Witness , no more than a person that is Convict , and Condemned of Treason ; and if he were Convict , and Condemned of Treason , he could not be a Witness , even in the case of Treason : so neither can the Earl of Tarras in this case be received a VVitness , for he being adduced a VVitness after he received his Inditement , and confessed the Crime , is equivalent , as if he had been actually Convict ; and whatever may be pretended , that testes infames may be admitted ; yet it was never asserted by any Lawyer , that a person Convict of Treason can be admitted a VVitness . THe Lords Repelled the Objection against the Earl of Tarras , and ordains him to be received a Witness . WAlter Earl of Tarras , aged fourty years , married , purged , and sworn ; being Interrogat , if about the time that Sir John Cochran , and Commissar Monro got their Commission from the Carolina Company for London , the Pannal Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood did not desire the Deponent to speak to Commissar Monro , to try if he could get him the said Pannal added to that Commission , Depones affirmative . Being Interrogat , if the said Jerviswood , the Pannal , did not tell the Deponent , that he was resolved to go to London however upon his own Expenses , and that his and their going about the Carolina Bussiness , was but a pretence , and a blind ; but that the true design was , to push foreward the people of England , who could do nothing but talk , to go more effectually about their bussiness , Depones affirmative . Depones that the Pannal did settle a Correspondence with the Deponent , whereby he was to give an account to the Deponent of what should pass betwixt the Countrey Party in England , and the Scots men there : and on the other hand , the Deponent was to VVrite to him what occurred here ; Depones that the Pannal did say to the Deponent , if the King would suffer the Parliament of England to sit , and pass the Bill of Seclusion , that that was the only way to secure the Protestant Religion . Depons that the Pannal said to him , that the King might be induced to do so , if the Parliament would take sharp , or brisk measures with Him , or the like . Depones these words were spoke to him by the Pannal , since the holding of the last Session of this current Parliament ; and before the Pannal and Commissar Monro went for London . Depons that after the Pannal went to London , he did give the Deponent an account by Letters , that things were in great Disorder there , and that he hoped there would be effectual Courses taken to remeid them . Depones that Mr. Robert Martin did come to Mr. Pringle of Torwoodlies House in May 1683. or thereby , and brought a Letter to the Deponents Lady unsubscribed , but the Deponent knows it was Jerviswoods Hand-writing , who was then at London , and that Mr. Martin told the Deponent , that things in England were in great disorder , and like to come to a hight , and that the Countrey Party were considering on methods for securing the Protestant Religion . And that Archibald , sometime Earl of Argile , was to get ten thousand pounds Sterling , whereas thirty thousand pounds Sterling was sought by the Scots-men at London , which was to be sent over to Holland to provide Arms ; and that the late Earl of Argile was to Land with these Armes in the West-Highlands of Scotland , and that the Deponents Friend Jerviswood the Pannal , was to be sent over with the Money . Depones that Philiphaugh and he went to Gallowshiels House , where they met with Polwort and Gallowshiels , and that it was talked amongst them there , that in case those in England should rise in Arms , that it was necessary in that case , that so many as could be got on the Borders should be in readiness to deal with Straglers and seize upon Horses , and that thereafter they should joyn with those that were in Arms on the Borders of England . Depons , That in the case foresaid , it was said , it was convenient the Castle of Stirling , Berwick , and some other Strengths should be seiz'd upon ; and it was likewise spoke amongst them , that some persons should be employed to inquire what Arms was in that Countrey . Depons , That it was spoke then , that the best time for Argyle was to land in the West when there was a stur in England , or Scotland , or words to that purpose . Depons , That every one desired another to speak to such particular persons as they could trust , by letting a word fall indirectly upon supposition , in case of the Rising in England concerning the Affair for preparing of them : And that he was told by Philiphaugh thereafter , that there was a Word and Sign to be used amongst them , viz. the Sign was by loosing a Button on the Breast , and that the Word was Harmony . Depons , the Pannal spoke to the Deponent to advertise Torwoodlie , that he might acquaint Mr. William Veitch a forfault Traitor , who was in Northumberland , that he might keep himself close , and be on his guard , lest he should be catch'd ; which was since the Pannal was Prisoner in the Tolbooth of Edinburgh . And this is the truth , as he shall answer to God. Sic subscribitur , Tarras , Linlithgow . I. P. D. ALexander Monro of Bear-crofts , Aged fourty five Years , or thereby ; solutus , solemnly sworn and purg'd . Depons , that the Earl of Tarras proposed to the Deponent , that Jerviswood might be made one of the Commissioners for the Affair of Carolina , for that he could not safely stay at Home ; and that the Deponents answer was , that he had no interest in the Affair , and so could not be a Commissioner . Depons , that the Pannal did wait for the Deponent at Wooller , and did go alongst with him to London , and that by the way he heard him regrate his own hazard and others , because of Blackwoods Sentence ; and that he heard him regrate the hazard our Laws , and Liberties , and the Protestant Religion were in . Depons , that the Pannal spoke to the Deponent and others , more then once at London for getting of Money from the English to be sent to the late Earl of Argile , for bringing home Arms for the said Earls use , as he understood , for carrying on an Insurrection , and Rebellion in Scotland . Depons , that at the time libelled , in Jerviswoods Chamber in London , Mr. William Veitch a forfault Traitor was present ; and that Sir John Cochran did at that Meeting expressly speak of Money to be sent to Argile for bringing home Arms for invading the Kingdom of Scotland ; And that at another occasion he heard some of them say , that there would be twenty Thousand Men in Scotland who would assist the Rebellion , and that he heard Sir John Cochran and Jerviswood speaking of it , but cannot be positive which of the two said it . Depons , that at that Meeting he heard Jerviswood speak , but did not hear him oppose that ●reasonable Proposal ▪ or contradict the Overture proposed by Sir John Cochran . Depons , that Mr. Robert Martin was sent down from that Meeting which was at Jerviswoods Chamber , to Scotland , to try what the People of Scotland would do for their own safety : And that it was understood that the people of Scotland should not rise till there should be a rising in England , and that the Commission was granted to Mr. Robert Martin by all the persons present , whereof Jerviswood was one , and that there were present the Lord Melvill , Sir John Cochran , Cessnocks elder and younger , Mr. William Carstares , Mr. William Veitch , Jerviswood , and the Deponent ; and depons they did contribute Money for Mr. Martins Journey : Depons , that at his return he meeting with the Deponent , told him , that Matters were in that condition in Scotland , and that the Countrey was in such a condition as little would kindle the Fire in order to the Rebellion . And this is the truth , as he shall answer to God. Sic subscribitur , Alexander Monro , Linlithgow , I. P. D. JAmes Murray of Philiphaugh , aged 30. Years , married , purged and sworn , produces four Leaves of Depositions , emitted by him before the Lords of the Secret Commitie , and all Written and Subscribed with his own hand , which being publickly read , in presence of the Justices , and Assize , he adheres thereto , in all points , whereof the Tenot follows . Upon the day of May , 1683. Upon a letter from Mr. Pringle of Torwoodlie , I came to his house in the morning , and he presently led me to a Chamber , where I found Mr. Robert Martin , who was lately come from London , with whom we stayed a little , and discoursed of the news ▪ and about the present condition , and temper of England , and in particular of London , which Mr. Martin said , was much irritated through some attempts upon their Priviledges , either as to the concern of the Sheriffs , or their Charter , but that all honest men were of good heart ▪ and very brisk , and after some general discourses to this purpose , Torwoodlie , and I left him , and walked out a little , and he told me , he was expecting the E. of Tarras presently , for he had sent to him ; and Mr. Martin had a Letter to him from Jerviswood , then he told me that there were great matters in agitation at London , and that Mr. Martin had come down with a Commission from our friends there , ( I do not remember he named any ) but that I behoved not to expect , he would impart his Instructions to me , for he was to communicat them only to Polwart and himself , ( at least for these Shyres ) and they were to pitch on such as they thought fit to intrust with the affair , whereupon he assured me , that he had great confidence in me , and his kindness to me oblidged him to send for me , to acquaint me , that matters were now come to a crisis , and that he had reason to think England would shortly draw to Arms , and stand by them , till they were satisfied anent the Bill of Exclusion , and what other security they could propose for the protestant Religion , and their Liberties , and that it was no project of any inconsiderable party but a design through the Kingdom , and that many of the finest men , and of the greatest interest and credit there , had adjusted almost every thing necessar for the purpose , and had concerted matters with our Friends there , in order to concurrence from this , and had agreed to advance Money for furnishing Armes here , ( I do not remember he told me more particulars at this time ) but said , Polwart would be at Gallow-shiels that night , and it would be necessar that the E. of Tarras and I should confer with him fully , on the business , about this time the E. of Tarras lighted , and Torwoodlie having left us for a little time , being gone to bring Mr. Martin , the E. of Tarras asked me , what news , I told him of Mr. Martins being there , but that he had given me no account of the design of his down-coming , which perhaps he would acquaint him with , but by what I had heard from Torwoodlie , I understood it to be , to engadge us to rise in Arms shortly , whereat the E. of Tarras hummed , and said , he would look ere he leapt , such a leap , or some such expressions , presently Mr. Martin came , and the E. of Tarras and he retired a little , after the reading An Letter , he gave him , the Contents whereof was ( as the E. of Tarras informed me ) only an order from Jerviswood , to deliver some Money to the bearer , which he had left with him , and the E. of Tarras called for his Servant , and bad him bring up the Money ; in the mean time , Torwoodlie asked me , if I had acquainted the E. of Tarras with what he spoke to me , and I told him , I had let something of it fall to him , but it was not to be thought , that persons of sense & quality would engadge in such designs at random ; so Torwoodlie said , that ( though Mr. Martin would not commune with us upon his Commission directly ) yet he thought it would be fit , we conferred , and without taking notice of his Commission , discoursed of things upon suppositions , and as our own privat notions , abstract from any prospect of a present design , so after dinner , we four went to a Chamber , and after some general discourses , of the discontents of both Kingdoms , these suppositions following were discoursed ( and as I remember ) Mr. Martin started them all , or the most part ) viz. What if the countrey party in England should have thoughts of going to Arms ( whereof he knew nothing but only supposed such a thing , for discoursing a little freely , and to know our sentiments , what we thought could be expected here in such a case ) would it not be expedient to have a settled Correspondence betwixt that Party there and here , and might not matters be so adjusted , that both Kingdoms should draw out in one day , and might not as many be expected to undertake in these Shires , and about Edinburgh , as would serve to surprize , and seize our Rulers ( I do not remember any named , but the then Chancellour and Thesaurer ) and some to joyn with these on the English borders , to assist them to surprize Berwick ; and if for that effect , any Horse , or Dragoons , that should be in the bounds might not be surprized , that their Horse and Arms might be gotten to furnish the Countrey people , and Stirling Castle ; and if Argile should at the same time Land in the West , and raise that Countrey , would not these Measures contribute much to the advancement and security of the Interest of that Party here , since thereby the Government would be disordered , and such steps would encourage all that had an inclination to the Countrey Party , to draw to them frankly , and scar many of the other side to act against them , and so they might have leasure to joyn from all places ; and might it not be expected , there would be as many in this Kingdom , as would be able to deal with the Forces here , at least divert them from troubling England . This is the sum , as I remember , of what was proposed , and discourst of , though I cannot distinctly say , it was in this method , and expression , nor was all moved at once , but droped now and then , as the Discourse seem'd to give rise to it ; and though I cannot fully Re-count all that was spoke on these Heads , and tell distinctly , what this and that man said ; yet I remember these following Answers were giving , and ( as I judged ) acquiesced to by the whole Company ; and they were certainly the E. of Tarras , his sentiments and mine , and every one that spoke , used this or some such Precaution , that if they were concerned , or to give counsel in any such case , as they were not , &c. ) 1. As to the settling a Correspondence , it was confest to be very convenient for those of a common Interest ; but the present circumstances of Affairs were such ( as was thought , ) that none could be found here who was sit to mannage it , and would undertake it . 2. As to the trysting at the same time , it could not be done without the devulging the Design to all Ranks of people , which none would undertake , except these already in desperat Circumstances , and they could not have generally much influence . 3. The thing was not at all adviseable for this Kingdom , since if any of Englands own measures miscarried , they would not stur for any such Trust ; and the spring of their motions being always at London , there might happen an interruption near the appointment , whereof these here could have no timous notice , and so might keep Tryst , whereby they would be exposed a prey ; and if they should subsist any time , or prevail ( which was hardly possible ) the multitude that must be imployed , are tainted with such wild and unruly Principles , that if once they got the Sword in their Hands , they would never be brought to Order without a greater force to over-awe them ; neither would any expectation of Argiles Landing , be a just ground for such a Tryst , considering the uncertainty of Sea-Voyages ; and if Argile were to be the Head , undoubtedly many people would conclude that he were to be suspected of private designs , and that restoring him , might lay him aside : As also , that dispair might blind his usual prudence , and prompt him to unsolid , and undigested Methods ; and so it was to be expected , that few of the Gentry ( except such as he had special influence on , or such as were under hard Circumstances ) could embarque with him . 4. As to the surprising Rulers , &c. It was inveigh'd against , as an Action not to be thought of amongst Protestants ( especially when the very design of it was pretended , to secure that Religion , which taught its Professors to abhor and detest such Principles as Popish , yea un-christian ) since it could not be effectuat without Blood-shed of people , secure in Peace , which being by all approven , Divines and Casuists condemned as unlawful , and meer Assassination ; it was not to be doubted , that as such a practice would cast a blot upon the whole Affair , and quite take off any pretence of Defensive Arms , so it would scar many from joyning . These things were reasoned again and again : But I do not remember there was any formal Conclusion made , but the Discourse was let fall ; and Mr. Martin told us , if any of us had a mind for a suit of Armour , he could provide as many as we pleased , from one who had made a great many lately , to honest men at London , of a new fashion , very light , and at an easie Rate ; so Torwoodlie and I gave him our measures , E. of Tarras told he had a suit already ; Then Torwoodlie said to the E. of Tarras and me , we would meet Polwort at Gallowsheils , and desired we might Commun with him , anent what we had been Discoursing , so we hasted away , that if possible , we might both get home that Night , it being Saturnday , and we unfurnished , for staying abroad , and Torwoodlie whispered me just as I was mounting ( as I think ) that he was not clear we should commun before Gallowshiels , for he was sometimes too much Good-fellow , or the like ; so the E. of Tarras and I Rod away together , and upon the way we were both of Opinion , that the Suppositions we had discoursed of , were in effect Propositions , and resolv'd , if they were insisted on by Polwort , as we suspected , we would adhere to the former Answer , and would undertake nothing in these methods ; When we came to Gallowsheils , the Laird was abroad , and Polwort was not come , so we had thoughts to go away , being both damped with what had passed , and inclining to be free of farder medling ; but the Lady would by no means hear of our going till her Husband came ; who , she assured us , was about the Doors , and she having sent to call him , he would be in presently ; yet it was so late ere he came , that the E. of Tarras could hardly have day enough to go home with ; so Gallowsheils would not let him go , and he would not stay , unless I stay'd , so we both stayed ; and not being resolv'd to Discourse with Gallowsheils on what passed , we went to the Tavern , on pretence I might call the Baillie , and seek Horses for Lime , and stay'd there till Polwort came ( which seemed unknown to Gallowsheils ) then we returned to Gallowsheils House , and after Supper Polwort whispered the E. of Tarras and me , and enquired if we had seen Mr. Martin ; and we having told him we had , he enquired , if we were free to commun on the Affair before Gallowsheils , we told , as he thought fit , for we could trust him ; Then he whispered Gallowsheils , and ( as I understood afterwards ) asked if he was free to commune on matters of great Secrecy and importance with that Company , to which he assented , then we sat down closs together , and as I remember , Polwort began the Discourse ; But since I am not able to follow exactly the method of our Conference , or keep the very expressions used , or repeat all that was spoke , or to tell distinctly what was every mans part of the Discourse ; I shall set down the Heads , and most remarkable Passages thereof , that I remember in some Articles following ; 1. Polwort signified that he was credibly informed ( but I do not remember he named his Informer ) that the Countrey party in England would draw to the Fields shortly , as he heard before Lambass , wherewith Gallowsheils seem'd visibly surprized ; and being asked , if his Heart fail'd him already , he said he did love it better truly to be walking in his own Parks in Peace , and quiet , than to be medling in such matters ; however he assured the Company , that if there came any troublesome world , he would joyn with them firmly ; and the F. of Tarras said , he wondred to hear of any such Resolution in England , for he took it for a Principle amongst that Party there , that they should make no stir in the Kings Life ( which the whole Company owned to be their Opinion and desire ) because that might strengthen the Dukes interest ; and he suspected it was the project of the Common-wealths men , with whom he believed , few Scots Gentlemen would joyn ; and he was almost perswaded the D. of Monmouth would not concur in any rising during the Kings Life , To which it was answered by Polwort , that he had indeed heard that principle had been generally agreed to , but it seem'd they found , they behoved either to do their business now , or lay aside hopes of doing it hereafter , which might be , that if the Charter of London were let fall , they would not only lose all safe opportunity of digesting Matters ; but a great part of their strength , and he heard all things were concerted mutually , betwixt Monmouths Friends and the Heads of the Commonwealth Party ; and tho he heard Monmouth was shy on that account , yet it was hop'd he would engage , for otherways he would be deserted by that Party . 2. Polwart told us the suppositions above-written as overtures concerted betwixt our friends at London , and the principal men of that Party there ; so the E. of Tarras and I renewed our former answers also above-written , and maintained them with all our vigour , wherein Gallowshiels joyned forwardly with us ; and Polwart asserted , we went on very good grounds , and he was fully of our opinion , if things were entire , but referr'd it to be considered , whether it were better to comply with some of these methods , tho not so proper and justifiable as were to be wish'd , then to disappoint the business totally , which might be of the best consequence to all the Party , yet we did not condescend as I remember to undertake any of these methods . And there was a further argument adduced against the trysting above-written , viz. That is was talked there was a day appointed in England lately in Shaftsherry's time , which did not hold , so they were not to be relyed upon . 3. It was proposed to be considered what methods were most proper in the Companies opinion for Scotland to follow in case of Englands rising , whereanent it was said , that all that could be expected or desired from Scotland , was , that upon the certain News of Englands being in the Fields , those in the Southern Shires who would own that Party , should presently rise , and ( how soon they could get as many conveen'd as would be able to deal with stragling Parties , or any sudden rising in the Countrey ) march to joyn them , and that it would be fit these in the Northern Shires of England waited near the Borders for such , and that they had Officers trysted there to command , and that then it would be seasonable for Argile to land in the West , and these Parties on the Borders might divert the Forces til he had time to put himself in a posture . These things seem'd to be the sentiments of the whole Company , but were not finally determined till the opinion of others who were to be communed with by Polwart were knowen : And it was represented , there behoved not to be any wilful and obstinate adhering to our own thoughts of things , ( but an mutual condescendance to others concerned , ) otherwise it were not possible to bring a publick Design to any good issue . 4. All the Company seem'd to agree , that they should undertake nothing or move in that Affair , till they had a full and certain account what England proposed , what methods they resolved to follow there , who were to be their Heads , and that if they design'd any attempt on the Kings Person , or overturning Monarchy , they would not be forward or clear to joyn : And it being here insinuated , that the most they could do ( at least for which there could be any plausible pretence to justifie ) was to draw together , and without any act of Hostility , send Addresses to His Majesty for redress of the present abuses of the Government , and for obtaining sufficient security against the hazard they apprehended to their Religion and Liberties . It was said by Polwart that he was apt to think , that was their very design , for he had heard it was generally believed by that Party in England , that if once they were in a Body , the King would be prevailed with to quite the Duke , to be tryed for Popery , correspondence with France , and accession to the Popish Plot , and then if the King were once free from the influence of the Dukes Counsels , they were confident he might be moved to reform their Abuses , and secure their Religion and Liberties for the future to their contentment . 5. It was resolved , that till we got the foresaid account from England , and were satisfied thereanent , and knew others here ( who were to be communed with ) their Sentiments of what methods were most proper for us , in case we should undertake , we should not meddle further ; only it was left to the Earl of Tarras and me , if we thought fit to acquaint Sir William Scot younger with some of the matter of this Conference overly , without taking notice of our Informers ▪ or such an Conference ; and it was recommended to all to be enquiring ( at such as they had some trust in ) indirectly about the affection of our Neighbours , and what Arms there was amongst them ; that if we should get an satisfying account , and resolve to joyn , we might know where to seek Men and Arms suddenly ; here it was said by Polwart , as I think , that if the E. of Tarras , Torwoodlie , Gallow-shiels , and I once took Horse , he thought the most part of the West end of of Tiviotdale and Selkirk Shire would soon come to us , especially , when they heard England was risen , then we trysted to meet there against Mid-summer Fair , betwixt and which the forsaid account was expected , but in case it came to any of our hands sooner , we promised to advertise the rest , that we might meet presently , if the case required ; this is the substance and sum of what passed at the forsaid conference , that I can now rememeber ; but I remember , I was likewise told these following particulars in privat ▪ by Polwart , or Torwoodlie , ( which of them , I cannot distinctly tell ) the day of the forsaid conference , or within a short time after . 1. That Polwart keeped the correspondence with our friends at London , I remember not positively of any of them that was named , to be on the entrigue there , except my Lord Melvil , Sir John Cochran , Jerviswood , and Commissar Monro ( for I hardly knew any of the rest ) and as I think , Commissar Monro was call'd his correspondent there . 2. That the Money to be advanced by the English partie to Scotland was ready , when Mr. Martin came from London , and it was expected , that within few days after , it would be dispatched with some confident to Holland , ( whither by Bills , or in Cash , I cannot say ) it was call'd ten thousand pound Sterlin , and was to be imployed ( as I was told ) by that confident , at Argyles sight , for buying Arms , providing Ships to transport them with Argyle , to the West here , and such other Charges . 3. That how soon our friends at London got notice of the safe arrival , of the confident forsaid , and all other things were finally concluded there ( which was expected would be about the midle of June , as I remember ) they would come home , and as they passed , would give them , or one of them , an particular account of all resolutions taken , to be communicat to the rest , that it was not to be expected by Letters , that behoved to be under figures , and dark expressions , and as I remember , they were written as it were about the Carolina business , or some houshold Furniture , as I was told , for I never remember , I saw any Letter , either direct to London , or sent from it on that head . 4. I was told there was a Sign , and a Word agreed on by that party , so that men might know with whom they might use freedom , the Word , as I remember was Harmony , and the Sign , the opening two Buttons in the breast coat and shutting them presently ; this I communicate to the Earl of Tarras , but does not mind I ever saw it used , except when I visited Park-Hay here in Town , about the end of June ; we discoursing a little freely , he asked if I had the Word and Sign of the Carolina men , and I having given them , he said something to this purpose , that he was afraid that the Carolina business did not go well , for there had been some of the Managers expected here ( as I think he named Jerviswood or Commissar Monro ) these eight days past , but there was none come , nor could he learn that any of their Friends had heard from them for several Posts . Polwart , Torwoodlie , and I met at Gallowshiels , on Midsummer Fair , but I mind nothing passed but private whisperings . Dated September 15. 1684. and subscrived thus , James Murray . Edinburgh , December 23. 1684. THe Deposition above-written being read to the said James Murray of Philiphaugh , in presence of the Justices and Assizers , he adheres thereto in all points upon Oath . Sic subscribitur , James Murray . Linlithgow , I. P. D. THe said James Murray further depons , That at their meeting at Gallowshiels , it was resolved , that they should keep up their Cess unpayed till their next meeting at Midsummer , which was to be at Gallowshiels , and should deal with all these they had influence upon to do the like , and that upon the supposition mentioned in his Oath given in . It was spoke amongst them that the Troupers Horses should be seized upon , when they were grasing . And this is the truth , as he shall answer to God. Sic subscribitur , James Murray . Linlithgow , I. P. D. HVgh Scot of Gallowshiels , aged 36. Years , married , purged , &c. and sworn . Depons , That the Earl of Tarras and Philiphaugh did come to the Deponents House , in May , 1683. and Polwart came likewise there , where there were Discourses and Proposals , that if the English would rise in Arms , their Friends in the South Shires should rise with them ; and that they should seize the Horses belonging to the Kings Troops where they grased , and the Town of Berwick , and the Castle of Stirling : And likewise it was there discoursed anent the late Earl of Argiles coming to invade Scotland , but because of the uncertainty of Sea Voyages , there was not much stress laid upon it . Depons , It was also proposed , that some of the South Countrey whom they trusted in should be acquainted with it , and that endeavours should be used to learn what Arms was in the Countrey . Depons , There was some such discourse there , as that the Earl of Tarras , Philiphaugh , Torwoodlie , Polwart , and some others should draw to Horse with the first when the rising should be in readiness , that it might be expected that the South parts of Teviotdale and Selkirk Shire would joyn with them . And this is the truth , as he shall answer to God. Sic subscribitur , Hugh Scot. Linlithgow , I. P. D. HIs Majesties Advocat produc'd other Depositions , emitted by Gallowshiels before the Lords of the Secret Committee , whereof the Tenor follows . Edinburgh , the 14 of September 1684. GAllowsheils Depons , that the E. of Tarras and Philiphaugh , being in his House in May 1683. Discoursed of an intended rising in England , and of Proposals made to Scots men , to rise with them , and of London in particular , and that Polwort was present at that Meeting , and told he was sure the Englishmen intended so , and that it was Discoursed at that Meeting amongst them , that it were fit to seize Berwick and Stirling ; and that it was talked amongst them of bringing the Duke of York to Tryal , and that the King would abandon him . Sic Subscribitur , Hugh Scot. Perth , Cancel . Queensberry George Mckenzie . Jo. Drummond . George Mckenzie . Edinburgh , October 29. 1684. Sederunt . Lord Chancellour . Lord President . Lord Secretary . Lord Advocat . THe Laird of Gallowsheils , Prisoner in the Tolbuith of Edinburgh , being Call'd and Examin'd upon Oath , Depons , that in the Moneth of May 1683. The E. of Tarras , Hume of Polwert Elder , and Laird of Philiphaugh , came to the Deponents House , himself being absent , at his coming home , they were speaking of the Security of the Protestant Religion ; and of a Party in England , who would secure , or seize the King or Duke , and that if any should rise in Arms to Defend them , or to rescue the King and Duke : There was another Party who would rise in Arms against them , it was proposed , that some Countrey men should be spoken to , to try their Resolutions , and that the Resolutions of England should be told them , to see if they would concur . But the Deponent does not remember that this proposition was approven , or undertaken to be done by any present ; nor does he remember who mannag'd the Discourse . It was likewise propos'd , to seize the Officers of State , especially the Chancellour and Thesaurer , and they said , Sir John Cochran was to come to the West from England , for advancement of the Design ; and that the Earl of Argile was to Land in the West-Highlands , and to raise that Countrey . Of these matters , all these who were present Discoursed , as of an Affair that they were agitating , and wherein themselves were particularly concerned , though at that time they did not conclude what their carriage should be ; The reason why the Deponent cannot be more particulars is , because he was sometimes going out , and sometimes walking up and down the Room ; and though the Deponent cannot be positive of the very words ; yet he is positive they were either these Words , or Words to that purpose . Sic subscribitur , Hugh Scot. Perth Cancellarius . Edinburgh , December 23. 1684. HVgh Scot of Gallowsheils being solemnly Sworn in presence of the Justices and Assize , adheres to the Depositions within , and above-written in all points , Sic subscribitur . Hugh Scot. Linlithgow , I. P. D. HIs Majesties Advocat in fortification of the former Probation , adduces the Printed Copy of Mr. William Carstares Depositions , emitted before the Officers of State , and other Lords of Privy Council , and leaves the same to the Assise , and uses it as an Adminicle of Probation ; for though it was capitulat , that he should not be made use of as a Witness ; yet it was agreed , that the Deposition should be published : and likewise produces the Principal Deposition signed by himself , and the saids Lords . THe Lords , Justice-General , Justice-Clerk , and Commissioners of Justiciary , admit the Paper produced as an Adminicle , and refers the import thereof to the Inquest , and ordains the Printed Paper as it is Collationed , to be taken in , and considered by the Inquest . SIr William Paterson , and Mr. Colin Mckenzie , Clerks of His Majesties Privy Council being Interrogat , if they heard Mr. William Carstares own the Depositions Read , Depons they saw and heard him Swear , and own the same upon Oath , and they Collationed the Printed Copie with the Original formerly ; and now they heard it Collationed , Sic subscribitur , Will. Paterson . Colin Mckenzie . THe Deposition of Mr. William Carstares , when he was Examined before the Lords of Secret Committee , given in by him , and renewed upon Oath ; upon the 22. of December 1684. in presence of the Lords of His Majesties Privy Council . Edinburgh Castle , September 8. 1684. MR. William Carstares being Examined upon Oath , conform to the Condescention given in by him , and on the Terms therein-mentioned ; Depons , That about November , or December 1682. James Stuart , Brother to the Laird of Cultness , wrot a Letter to him from Holland , importing , that if any considerable sum of Money could be procur'd from England , that something of importance might be done in Scotland : The which Letter , the Deponent had an inclination to inform Shepherd in Abb-Church-lane , Merchant in London of ; but before he could do it , he wrot to Mr. Stuart above-nam'd to know from him , if he might do it ; and Mr. Stuart having consented , he communicat the said Letter to Mr. Shepherd , who told the Deponent that he would communicat the Contents of it to some persons in England ; but did at that time name no body , as the Deponent thinks : Sometime thereafter , Mr. Shepherd told the Deponent , that he had communicat the Contents of the Letter above-named , to Colonel Sidney , and that Colonel Dunvers was present , and told the Deponent , that Colonel Sidney was averse from imploying the late Earl of Argile , or medling with him , judging him a man too much affected to the Royal Family , and inclin'd to the present Church-Government ; yet Mr. Shepherd being put upon it by the Deponent , still urg'd , that one might be sent to the Earl of Argile ; but as Mr. Shepherd told him , he was suspected upon the account of his urging so much ; yet afterwards he press'd , without the Deponents knowledge , that the Deponent being to go to Holland however , might have some Commission to the Earl of Argile , which he having inform'd the Deponent of , the Deponent told him , that he himself would not be concern'd , but if they would send another , he would introduce him ; but nothing of this was done : upon which the Deponent went over , without any Commission from any body , to Holland , never meeting with James Stuart above-nam'd : He was introduc'd to the Earl of Argile , with whom he had never before convers'd ; and did there Discourse what had past betwixt Mr. Shepherd and him ; and particularly , about remitting of Money to the said Earl from England ; of which the said Mr. Stuart had written to the Deponent , namely of 30000 pounds Sterling ; and of the raising of 1000 Horse and Dragoons ; and the securing the Castle of Edinburgh , as a matter of the greatest importance : The method of doing this was propos'd by the Deponent , to be one hour , or thereby , after the relieving of the Guards : But the Earl did not relish this Proposition , as dangerous ; and that the Castles would fall of consequence , after the Work abroad was done . James Stuart was of the Deponents Opinion for seizing the Castle ; because it would secure Edinburgh ; the Magazins and Arms , as to the 1000 Horse and Dragoons . My Lord Argile was of Opinion , that without them nothing was to be done ; and that if that number were rais'd in England to the said Earl , he would come into Scotland with them ; and that there being so few Horse and Dragoons to meet them , he judg'd he might get the Countrey without trouble , having such a standing Body for their Friends to Rendezvous to ; and the said Earl said he could show the Deponent the conventient places for Landing , if he understood ; and as the Deponent remembers , where the Ships could attend . The Deponent remembers not the names of the places . The Deponent spoke to the Lord Stairs ; but cannot be positive that he nam'd the Affair to him , but found him shy : but the Earl of Argile told him , he thought Stairs might be gain'd to them : And that the Earl of Lowdoun being a man of good Reason , and disobliged , would have great influence upon the Countrey , and recommended the Deponent to Major Holms with whom the Deponent had some acquaintance before , and had brought over a Letter from him to the Earl of Argyle ; but the Deponent had not then communicate any thing to the said Holms . James Steuart laid down a way of correspondence by Cyphers and false Names , and sent them over to Holms , and the Deponent , for their use ( which Cyphers and Names , are now in the hands of His Majesties Officers , as the Deponent supposes , ) and did desire the Deponent earnestly to propose the 30000. pound Sterling above-named to the party in England , and did not propose any less ; for as the Earl told the Deponent , he had particularly calculate the Expence for Arms , Ammunition , &c. But James Steuart said , that if some less could be had , the Earl would content himself , if better might not be ; but the Earl always said , that there was nothing to be done without the body of Horse and Dragoons above-mentioned . During the time of the Deponent his abode in Holland , tho he had several Letters from Shepard , yet there was no satisfactory account , till some time after the Deponent parted from the Earl of Argyle , and was making for a Ship at Rotterdam to transport himself to England . James Steuart wrot to him that there was hopes of the Money . The next day after the Deponent came to England , he met with Sir John Cochran , who , with Commissar Monro , and Jerviswood , was at London before he came over ; and depons , that he knows not the account of their coming , more then for the perfecting the Transaction about Carolina : and having acquainted Sir John Cochran with the Earls demands of the 30000 pound Sterling and the 1000. Horse and Dragoons , Sir John carried him to the Lord Russel , to whom the Deponent proposed the affair , but being an absolute Stranger to the Deponent , had no return from him at that time ; but afterwards having met him accidently at Mr. Shepards house , where he the Lord Bussel had come to speak to Shepard about the Money abovenamed , as Mr. Shepard told the Deponent . The Deponent ( when they were done speaking ) desired to speak to the Lord Russel , which the Lord Russel did , and having reiterate the former Proposition for the 30000. pound Sterling , and the 1000. Horse and Dragoons , he the Lord Russel told the Deponent , they could not get so much raised at the time , but if they had 10000. pound to begin , that would draw People in , and when they were once in , they would soon be brought to more ; but as for the 1000. Horse and Dragoons , he could say nothing at the present , for that behoved to be concerted upon the Borders . The Deponent made the same proposal to Mr. Ferguson , who was much concerned in the Affair , and zealous for the promoving of it . This Mr. Ferguson had in October or November before , as the Deponent remembers in a Conversation with the Deponent in Cheap-fide , or the Street somewhere thereabout , said , that for the saving of innocent Blood , it would be necessary to cut off a few , insinuating the King and Duke , but cannot be positive whether he named them or not , to which the Deponent said , that 's work for our wild People in Scotland , my Conscience does not serve me for such things ; after which the Deponent had never any particular discourse with Ferguson , as to that matter ; but as to the other Affair , Ferguson told the Deponent that he was doing what he could to get it effectuate , as particularly that he spoke to one Major Wildman who is not of the Deponent his acquaintance . Ferguson blamed always Sidney , as driving designs of his own . The Deponent met twice or thrice with the Lord Melvil , Sir John Cochran , Jerviswood , Commissar Monro , the two Cessnocks , Mongomery of Langshaw , and one Mr. Veitch , where they discoursed of Money to be sent to Argyle , in order to the carrying on the Affair , and tho he cannot be positive the Affair was named , yet it was understood by himself , and as he conceives by all present , to be for rising in Arms , for rectifying the Government . Commissary Monro , Lord Melvil , and the two Cessnocks were against medling with the English , because they judged them men that would talk , and would not do , but were more inclined to do something by themselves , if it could be done . The Lord Melvil thought every thing hazardous , and therefore the Deponent cannot say he was positive in any thing , but was most inclined to have the Duke of Monmouth to head them in Scotland , of which no particular method was laid down . Jerviswood , the Deponent , and Mr. Veitch , were for taking Money at one of these Meetings . It was resolved , that Mr. Martin , late Clerk to the Justice Court should be sent to Scotland , to desire their Friends to hinder the Countrey from Rising , or taking rash Resolutions upon the account of the Council , till they should see how matters went in England . The said Martin did go at the Charges of the Gentlemen of the Meeting , and was directed to the Laird of Polwart and Torwoodlie , who sent back word that it would not be found so easie a matter to get the Gentrie of Scotland to concur : But afterwards in a Letter to Commissar Monro , Polwart wrot that the Countrey was readier to concur than they had imagined , or something to that purpose . The Deponent , as above-said , having brought over a Key from Holland , to serve himself and Major Holms : he remembers not that ever he had an exact Copy of it , but that sometimes the one , sometimes the other keeped It , and so it chanced to be in his custody when a Letter from the Earl of Argyle came to Major Holms , intimating , that he would joyn with the Duke of Monmouth , and follow his measures , or obey his Directions . This Mr. Veitch thought fit to communicate to the Duke of Monmouth , and for the Understanding of it was brought to the Deponent , and he gave the Key to Mr. Veitch , who as the Deponent was informed , was to give it and the Letter to Mr. Ferguson , and he to shew it to the Duke of Monmouth ; but what was done in it , the Deponent knows not . The Deponent heard the Design of Killing the King and Duke , from Mr. Shepard , who told the Deponent some were full upon it . The Deponent heard that Aron Smith was sent by those in England to call Sir John Cochran , on the account of Carolina , but that he does not know Aron Smith , or any more of that matter , not being concerned in it . Shepard named young Hamden frequently as concerned in these Matters . Signed at Edinburgh Castle , the 8. of September , 1684. and renewed the 18 of the same Moneth . William Carstares . PERTH CANCELL . I. P. D. Edinburgh Castle 18 September 1684. MR. William Carstares being again Examined , adheres to his former Deposition , in all the parts of it , and Depones he knows of no Correspondence betwixt Scotland and England , except by Martin before named ; for those Gentlemen to whom he was sent , were left to follow their own Methods . Veitch sometimes , as the Deponent remembers , stayed sometimes at Nicolson , Stabler●s House , at London-wall ; sometimes with one Widow Hardcastle in More-fields . The Deponent did Communicate the Design on foot to Doctor Owen , Mr. Griffil , and Mr. Meed , at Stepney , who all concurred in the promoting of it , and were desirous it should take effect ; and to one Mr. Freth in the Temple , Councellor at Law , who said that he would see what he could do in reference to the Money , but there having gone a Report , that there was no Money to be raised , he did nothing in it ; nor does the Deponent think him any more concerned in the Affair . Nelthrop frequently spoke to the Deponent of the Money to be sent to Argyle , whether it was got or not , but the Deponent used no freedom with him in the Affair . Goodenough did insinuate once , that the Lords were not inclined to the thing , and that before , they would see what they could do in the City . The Deponent saw Mr. Ferguson , and Mr. Rumsay , lurking after the Plot broke out , before the Proclamation , having gone to Ferguson , in the back of Bishopsgate-street , at some new Building , whether he was directed by Jerviswood , who was desirous to know how things went. Rumsay was not of the Deponent his acquaintance before , but they knew as little of the matter as the Deponent . This is what the Deponent remembers , and if any thing come to his Memory , he is to deliver it in betwixt ▪ and the first of October . And this is the truth , as he shall answer to God. William Carstares PERTH , Cancell . I. P. D. At Edinburgh , the 22. of December , 1684. THese foregoing Depositions , Subscribed by Mr. William Carstares Deponent , and by the Lord Chancellor , were acknowledged on Oath by the said Mr. William Carstares , to be his true Depositions ; and that the Subscriptions were his , in presence of us Undersubscribers . William Carstares . PERTH Cancell . David Falconer . George Mckenzie , Queensberry . Athol . HIs Majesties Advocat for further probation , adduces the Examinations of Mr. Shepard , taken before Sir Leolin Jenkins Secretary of State for England , with the Information or Deposition of Mr. Zachary Bourn , relating to the Plot , sign'd by him and Secretary Jenkins , of which Depositions the tenors follow . THe Examination of Thomas Shepard of London Merchant , taken upon Oath before the Right Honourable Sir Leolin Jenkins Knight , His Majesties Principal Secretary of State , the 23. day of December . 1683. THe Deponent saith , That Ferguson told him on , or about the Moneth of April last , that an Insurrection was intended both in England and in Scotland , and that for the settling that Affair betwixt the two Nations , Mr. Baillie , Mr. Monro , Sir John Cochran , Sir Hugh and Sir George Campbels , with some others ( whose names this Deponent heard not ) were come to London . That the Deponent had some acquaintance with Mr. Baillie , Mr. Monro , and Sir John Cochran , and none at all with Sir Hugh and Sir George Campbels ; that Mr. Baillie told the Deponent , that the Earl of Argile demanded Thirty Thousand Pounds of the English to capacitat him to begin the business effectually in Scotland , and that he the said Baillie likewise told the Deponent , that having concerted things with the Lord Russel and others , he the said Baillie found an impossibility of raising that Sum ; After which the said Baillie had acquainted the Deponent , that they were certainly promised Ten Thousand Pounds , which Sum was agreed to be payed into the Deponents hands , in order to be remitted into Holland , for the providing of Arms ; and that the said Baillie told the Deponent at divers times , that the said Sum , or at least one half of it would be payed such a day , and such a day ; and sometimes asked the Deponent , if he had received any part of the said Money , to which the Deponent replyed that he had not , and that he the Deponent scarce thought any would be payed . And the Deponent also saith , that having had some little conversation with Sir John Cochran , he remembers well , that both of them did sometimes lament the delays in not paying in the Money , and said , that although the said Ten thousand Pounds were pay'd in , they , the said Sir John Cochran and Mr. Monro , fear'd it would be too little ; and this Deponent further sayeth not , as to any new matter . But the Deponent being asked , to Explain what he thought was meant by the words above written , vi●s , to capacitat him ( the Earl of Argile ) to begin the business , he , this Deponent sayeth , that he did understand by the Word business , an Insurrection in Scotland . Sic. subscribitur , Thomas Shepard . Jurat coram . L. Jenkins . THe Information of Zachary Bourn of London , Brewer ▪ taken upon Oath , the tenth day of December 1683. before the Right honourable Mr. Secretary Jenkins . THe Informant Deposeth , and sayeth , that Mr. Baillie sat up one Night , if not two , with Mr. Ferguson , and went several times in the Evening with him to the Duke of Monmouth , and the chief mannagers of the Conspiracy ; That Ferguson told the Deponent , that he the said Baillie was the chief man for the Scots , next to the Lord Argile ; that the said , Baillie did sit up the greatest part of one night , with the said Ferguson ; at which time this Deponent believeth they were busie in preparing the intended Declaration , which the Deponent has the more reason to believe , in as much as the said Ferguson did go about to show him the Deponent , such a Paper , wherein the said Ferguson was hindered by the coming up Stairs of some person , to speak with the said Ferguson , that the said Ferguson told the Deponent , that the main business of the said Baillie , in meeting the saids Conspirators , was in order to get from them the Ten thousand Pounds , promised for the buying of Arms ; for the Insurrection intended in Scotland . That the Deponent saw Mr. William Carstares come often to the Lodgings of the said Ferguson ; but that the said Ferguson never told the Deponent of any Discourse held by him with the said Carstares : and further this Deponent saith not . sic subscribitur , Zac. Bourn . Jurat coram . L. Jenkins . HIs Majesties Advocat likewise produced several Warrands , and Papers to prove , that those Depositions are sign'd by Sir Leolin Jenkins . HIs Majesties Advocat also produced the Books of Adjournal , bearing Mr. William Veitch to be a Forefault Traitor , and the Act of Parliament whereby the Forefaulture is Ratified . His Majesties Advocat's Speech to the Inquest . My Lords and Gentlemen , YOu have now a Conspiracy against His Majesties Sacred Person , and Royal Government , so fully discover'd , that they must want Reason as well as Loyalty , who do not believe the Discovery ; and they must be enemies to sincerity , as well as to the King , who do not acknowledge it . Beside , that the Councils of all the three Nations , thought the proof sufficient , for Indicting a General Thanksgiving through all these Nations ; and that the Judges of England thought the same strong enough to infer Forefaulture of Life and Estate , against some of all Ranks there ; you have a Discovery made here from the late E. of Argiles own Letters , and the Confession of his own Emissaries , the two surest proofs that Law ever invented , or the nature of Humane Affairs can allow ; and I am this day to add to all this , a new Sett of Proofs in the Process that I now lead against this Pannal , from the Confessions of Noblemen and Gentlemen , who have been engaged in this wicked Conspiracy ; and who from a sense of their Guilt , are content freely to Depose against their nearest Relation , and their most intimate Friend , in which having thus cleared to you , that there was really such a Conspiracy , I shall , in the next place , proceed to prove this Pannals Accession to it . It cannot be imagined , that we would willingly involve our Countrey men in it , without a Conviction stronger then our kindness to Scotland ; nor did His Majesties Servants accuse this Pannal , without the opinion of the ablest Lawyers of the Kingdom , who did ▪ with them concur , to think that there was not the least occasision of doubting left , to the most indifferent Inqueist of his guilt , after they had seriously , and with reflection , read over , and pondered the probation now laid before you : The Person accused of accession to this Cryme is the Ring-leader of all those , who in this Kingdom concurr'd with the English Conspirators , as you may see by the Testimonies of all who have Deposed ; and it was indeed sit and just to begin with the most guilty , so that if he be not convicted , there should no man be punished for this Conspiracie ; all the noise we have heard of it , is but a Cheat , the Kings Judges have been Murderers , all the Witnesses have been Knaves , and such as dyed for it have been Martyrs . The Accession charged on this Pannal , is not an accidental escape , nor is it proved by Witnesses , who can be suspected of unkindnes to his Person , or his Cause , for it is a long tract of a continued design , gone about with the greatest deliberation and concern imaginable , and proved by his nearest Relations , and persons so deeply engadged in that Cause , ( for which he Suffers , ) that they were content with him to venture their Lives and Fortunes in that quarrel . He is not accused of a Crime that can amount only to a single Murder , though that be a dreadful Cryme , but a Rebellion , which was to draw upon us a Civil War , that Murder of Murders , in which hundreths of thousands were to fall ; and to Crown all , he was to begin , and to be the chief promoter of a Rebellion , in which one of the first steps was to kill His Sacred Majestie , and his Royal Brother ; and one of the chief Witnesses which I have led against him , is Bourn , which Bourn confessed that he was to kill the King , and who confesses the Pannal sat up several nights with Ferguson , the other contriver of the Kings Murder , and so familiar was he with him , that Bourn depons , that the said Pannal had been with Ferguson ▪ at the drawing of the manifesto , whereby he was not only to be an Actor , but to be the Justifier of that horrid Villanie : and therefore Bourns depons , that Ferguson , ( the best Judge in that case ) looked upon him as the chief man , next to Argyle ; But because no man is presumed to go to such a hight , without previous inclination and motives , I shall to convince you , that this Gentleman was very capable of all that was lybelled against him , remember you , that he is Nephew , and Son in Law to the late War●stoun , bred up in his Family and under his Tutory ; about the time of this Plot it was undenyably known , and is now sufficiently proved , by two present Witnesses , the Earl of Tarras and Commissar Monro , that he thought himself desperat , knowing himself to be guilty of Treason by Blackwoods Case ; and as it 's presumable , that a man that 's guilty of one point of Treason , will commit another ; so when a man is desperat as to his Life and Fortune , he is capable of any thing ; he was likewise animated to commit this Cryme , by the intelligence he had that there was a Plot in England , carryed on by men of so great Parts , Fortune and Influence , and by the too probable hopes , that they would get all the Western Shires to joyn with them here , because of the common guilt , in which they had engadged themselves , by their late extravagances , they made and account of an assistance of twenty thousand men ; and by Philiphaughs Deposition , that these Gentlemen expected the concurse of the Southern-Shires ; and thus , I am to prove to you a Cryme , which is in it self , so probable and liklie , that it should need little probation , tho I have adduced for your conviction sufficient evidences , albeit the Cryme were in it self very unliklie . The Crymes which I hope I have proved , are , That Jerviswood the Pannal transacted for Money to the late Earl of Argyl , a declared Traitor . 2. That he designed to raise a Rebellion . 3. That he intercommuned with the Earl of Argyle and Mr. Veitch declared Traitors . 4. That he was present , where it was treated , either that Argyle should have Money from the English and assistance from Scotland , or that a Rebellion should be raised , and that he did not reveal the samine ; and all these being found relevant separatim , it is sufficient for me to have proved any one of them . And if a Gentleman was lately found guilty of High-Treason , by the opinion of all the Lords of Session , for not revealing , that Sir John Cochran sought fifty pound Sterling from him , though he refused the same , and tho he believed , it was sought for a charitable subsistance to preserve him from starving ; what deserves this Pannal , who sought thirty thousand pound sterling , to buy him Arms , to invade his Native Countrey ? That Jerviswood was designing to carry on a Rebellion , or at least was accessory , or ( as our Law terms it ) was Art and Part thereof , is clearly prov'd ; but that in this occult and hidden Crime , which uses not to be prov'd by clear witnesses ; I may lead you thorow all the steps of the Probation , which like the links of a Chain , hang upon one another . You will be pleased to consider , that 1. It is proved that he desired a blind Commission to go to England , not to manage the affairs of the Carolina Company , as he confess'd , but to push the People of England to do something for themselves , because they did only talk and not do ; and what he would have them to do , appears too clearly , because he tells the Earl of Tarras it was probable , that if the King were briskly put to it by the Parliament of England , he would consent to exclude the Duke from the Succession : here is not only a Treasonable Design , ( though a design be sufficient in Treason ) but here are express acts of Treason proved , viz. The treating with the Earl of Tarras upon this Design , the settling a Correspondence with him for the prosecution of it , and the writing Letters from London to him concerning it , and the sending down Mr. Martin to compleat it by a general Rising : As he design'd to push on the English , so he prosecutes closely this Design upon all occasions . On the Road he complains cunningly and bitterly , that our Lives , Laws and Liberties , and the Protestant Religion were in danger , the stile and method of all such as design to Rebel ; after he arrives at London , he engages the Conspirators there to assist the late Earl of Argile ▪ a declar'd Traitor , with Money to buy Arms ; this was indeed to push the English to do the most dangerous things by the most dangerous man ▪ and in the most dangerous methods . He enters also in a strict Correspondence with Ferguson the Contriver ▪ with Shepard the Thesaurer , and Carstares the Chaplain of the Conspiracy . Alexander Monro another present Witness , proves that he argued with him , that it was necessary to give Argile Money expressly for carrying on the Rebellion , and that they did meet at Jerviswoods Chamber where this was spoke of , and from which Mr. Robert Martin was sent to their Friends in Scotland to know what they would do ; and though the silly caution was , that they sent him to prevent their rising , yet a man must renounce common sense , not to see that the design was to incite them to Rebellion , and to prevent only their doing any thing in this rebellious design , by which they might lose themselves in a too early and abortive Insurrection here , till things were ready in England . For , 1. This Comission was given him in a place , and by a Company who had been themselves treating immediatly before of sending Money to the late E. of Argile to buy Arms , and certainly those Arms were to be bought for Men , and not for a Magazine . 2. They were treating how many Men could be raised in Scotland . 3. Carstares Deposition bears , that Martin was sent to hinder rash Resolutions , till they saw how Matters went in England , and the return to their Embassy bore , that it would not be an easie matter to get the Gentry of Scotland to concur ; but afterwards better hopes of their rising was given , which could not have been , if the true Commission had not been to raise Scotland . 4. That Sir John Cochran made a Speech to that purpose , is expressly prov'd , and that Jerviswood spoke to the same purpose , is prov'd by a necessary consequence ; for since it 's prov'd that he spoke , and that he did not speak against it , it must necessarily follow that he spoke for it , though the Witness is so cautious , that he cannot condescend upon the words now after so long a time ; and it is against Sense to think , that Jerviswood who in privat press'd the same so much upon Commissar Monro , and who was the Deacon-Conveener here , and who , as Mr. Martin their Envoy declared , was the person who was to be sent for the Arms , should not himself have been the most forward man in that Design , but above all exitus acta probat , this Commissioner , ( who being a meer Servant , durst not have proposed any thing from himself , being a mean Person , and being one , who , as the Earl of Tarras deposes , would say nothing , but what was in his Paper : ) does expresly declare , that he came from Jerviswood and others ; and in the meeting with him , a Rebellion is actually formed , and it is resolved , they should seize the King's Officers of State , Garisons , and Forces , and that they should joyn with the late E. of Argyle , and put their own Forces in a condition to joyn with these Forces that were to come from England , and they gave a Sign , and a Word , which uses only to be done in actual War ; So here is Treason clearly prov'd , by two present Witnesses , from the first Design to it's last perfection . Nor can it be objected , that they are not concurring Witnesses , but testes singulares upon separat Acts , for in reiterable Crimes , Witnesses deposing upon different Acts ; do prove if the deeds tend to the same end ; as for instance , if one Witnes should depose , that they saw a Traitor sit in a Council of War , in one place , and in another place , they saw him in Arms , or that one saw him assist at a Proclamation in one place , and saw him in Arms in another ; or that one saw him writ a Treasonable Paper , and another saw him use it ; These Witnesses are still considered as contestes , or concurring Witnesses , and ten or twelve Inqueists have so found , and upon their Verdict , Rebells have been lately hang'd . The learn'd Judges of England being all met together did expresly find , that one Witnes proving , that A. B. said , that he was going to buy a Knife to kill the King , and another deposing , that he saw him buy a Knife , without telling for what , that these two Witnesses were contestes , and prov'd sufficiently the Cryme of Treason , yet there the one Witnes , prov'd only a remote Design , and the other an Act , which was indifferent of it's own nature , and became only Treasonable by the Connexion ; But no VVitnesses ever Deposed upon things so coherent , and so connected together , as these do , for they depose still upon the same person , carrying on the same Design of a Rebellion ; as to which , in one place , he is exciting his own Nephew , and telling him his Resolutions , and settling a Correspondence with him , at another time , he presses Commissar Monro to the same Rebellion . At a third , He holds a meeting at his own Chamber , and speaks concerning it , and from that meeting , he sends a Trusty , who formes the Rebellion . Besides all this , tho two VVitnesses be sufficient , I have adduced Mr. William Carstares Chief Conspirator , and who choos'd rather to suffer violent Torture , than to disclose it , he likewise Deposes upon all these steps , and connects them together , and this his Deposition is twice reiterated , upon Oath , after much premeditation . And I likewise adduce two Depositions taken upon Oath , by Sir Leolin Jenkins , who was impower'd by the Law of England , and at the command of the King , and the Council of England , upon a Letter from His Majesties Officers of State here , In which Deposition , Shepard , one of the VVitnesses , deposes , that Baillie came frequently to him , and desired him to advance the Money , and lamented the delays , and that there was so little to be advanced ; and who should be better believed then one who was his own Trustie , and a Person who was able to advance so great a Sum ; Bourn , another of the VVitnesses , Deposes , that Ferguson told him , that the Pannal spoke frequently to him concerning the same Money , and that he sat up several nights with Ferguson upon the said Conspiracy ; and who should be better believed then Fergusons confident , and one who was so far trusted in the whole affair , that he was to take away that Sacred Life , which Heaven has preserv'd by so many Miracls . Against these three Depositions , you have heard it objected , that non testimonia sed testes probant , especially by our Law , in which , by an express Act of Parliament , no Probation is to be led , but in presence of the Assise and Pannal . To which it is answered , that these Depositions are not meer Testimonies ; for I call a Testimony , a voluntar Declaration , emitted without an Oath , and a Judge ; but these Depositions are taken under the awe of an Oath , and by the direction of a Judge . ● Shepard was confronted with the Pannal himself , and he had nothing to say against him ; whereas the great thing that can be objected against Testimonies ( and by our Statute especially ) is , that if the Party who emits the Testimony had been confronted with the Pannal ; the impression of seeing a person that was to die , by his Deposition , would have made him afraid to Depose laxly ; and the Pannal likewise might , by proposing Interrogators and Questions , have cleared himself , and satisfi'd the Judges in many things Depos'd against him : But so it is that Mr. Shepard having been confronted with the Pannal , before the King Himself , who is as far above other Judges , in His Reason and Justice , as He is in His Power and Authority ; He Deposes that the Pannal was the chief Mannager of this Conspiracy , next to Argile , and that he was so passionat to have this Money to buy Arms , that he lamented the delays ; and can it be imagined that Mr. Shepard whom he trusted with his Life and his Fortune , and whom all their Party trusted with their Cash , would have Depos'd any thing against him that was not true , especially when he knew that what he was to Depose , was to take away his Life and his Fortune ; or that if the Pannal had been innocent , he would not when he was confronted with Mr. Shepard , before the King Himself , have roar'd against Mr. Shepard , if he had not been conscious to his own Guilt . There is a surprise in innocence , which makes the innocent exclaim , and it inspires men with a courage , which enables them to confound those who Depose falsly against them ; and in what occasion could either of these have appear'd , more than in this , wherein this Gentleman was charg'd to have Conspir'd with the greatest of Rascals , against the best of Princes ; and that too in presence of the Prince himself , against whom he had Conspir'd , but Guilt stupifies indeed , and it did never more than in this Gentlemans Case , whose silence was a more convincing Witness than Mr. Shepard could be Mr. Carstares likewise knew when he was to Depone , that his Deposition was to be used against Jerviswood , and he stood more in awe of his love to his Friend , than of the fear of the Torture , and hazarded rather to die for Jerviswood , than that Jerviswood should die by him : How can it then be imagin'd , that if this man had seen Jerviswood in his Tryal , it would have altered his Deposition ; or that this kindness , which we all admir'd in him , would have suffer'd him to forget any thing in his Deposition , which might have been advantageous in the least to his Friend : And they understand ill this hight of Friendship , who think that it would not have been more nice and careful , than any Advocat could have been : and if Carstares had forgot at one time , would he not have supplyed it at another ; but especially at this last time , when he knew his Friend was already brought upon his Tryal : and that this renew'd Testimony was yet a further confirmation of what was said against him ; and albeit the Kings Servants were forced to engage , that Carstares himself should not be made use of as a Witness against Jerviswood ; yet I think this kind scrupulosity in Carstares for Jerviswood , should convince you more than twenty suspect , nay than even indifferent Witnesses ; nor can it be imagined , that the one of these Witnesses would not have been as much afraid of God , and his Oath at London , as at Edinburgh ; and the other in the Council-Chamber in the Forenoon , as in the Justice-Court in the Afternoon . 3. The Statute founded on , does not discharge the producing of Testimonies otherways than after the Jury is inclos'd ; for then indeed they might be dangerous , because the party could not object against them : But since the Statute only discharges to produce Writ , or Witnesses , after the Jury is inclos'd ; it seems clearly to insinuat , that they ought to prove when they are produc'd in presence of the Party himself , as now they are . And though the Civil Law did not allow their Judges to believe Testimonies , because they were confin'd to observe strict Law ; yet it does not from that follow , that our Juries , whom the Law allows to be a Law to themselves , and to be confin'd by no Rule , but their Conscience , may not trust intirely to the Depositions of Witnesses , though not taken before themselves , when they know that the Witnesses , by whom , and the Judges , before whom these Depositions were emited , are persons beyond all suspition , as in our case . But yet for all this , I produce these Testimonies , as Adminicles here only to connect the Depositions of the present Witnesses , and not to be equivalent to Witnesses in this legal Process ; albeit , as to the conviction of mankind , they are stronger than any ordinary Witnesses . When you , my Lords and Gentlemen , remember that it is not the revenge of a privat party , that accuses in this case ; and that even in privat Crimes , such as Forgery , or the murder of Children , &c. many Juries here have proceeded upon meer presumptions , and that even Solomon himself , founded his illustrious Decision , approv'd by God Almighty , upon the presum'd assertion of a Mother ; I hope ye will think two Friends Deposing , as present Witnesses , adminiculated and connected by the Depositions of others , though absent ; should beget in you an intire belief , especially against a Pannal , who has been alwayes known to incline this way , and who , though he was desired in the Tolbooth to vindicat himself from those Crimes , would not say any thing in his own defence , and though he offers to clear himself of his accession to the Kings Murder , yet sayes nothing to clear himself from the Conspiracy entered into with the late Earl of Argile , for invading his Native Countrey , which is all that I here Charge upon him , and which he inclines to Justifie , as a necessary mean for redressing Grievances ; I must therefore remember you , that an Inquest of very worthy Genlemen did find Rathillet guilty , tho there was but one Witness led against him , because when he was put to it , he did not deny his accession : And two Rogues were found guilty in the late Circuit at Glasgow , for having murdered a Gentleman of the Guard , though no man saw them kill him ; but the Murderers having been pursued , they run to the place out of which the Pannals then accused were taken , none having seen the face of the Run-aways ; and the Pannals being accus'd , and press'd to deny the accession , shun'd to disown the Guilt , but desired it might he proved against them . This may convince you that there are Proofs which are stronger then Witnesses ; and I am sure that there were never more proving Witnesses then in this case , nor were the Depositions of Witnesses ever more strongly adminiculated . Remember the danger likewise of emboldening Conspiracies against the Kings Sacred Life , and of encouraging a Civil War , wherein your selves and your Posterity may bleed , by making the least difficulty to find a man Guilty by the strongest Proofs that ever were adduced in so latent a Crime as a Conspiracy is . And I do justly conclude , that whoever denys that a Conspiracy can be thus prov'd , does let all the World see that he inclines that Conspiracies should be encouraged and allow'd . Our Age is so far from needing such Encouragements , that on the other hand ▪ in this , as in all other Crimes , because the Guilt grows frequent and dangerous , the Probation should therefore be made the more easie , tho in this Case the King needs as little desire your Favour , as fear your Justice . And I have insisted so much upon this Probation , rather to convince the World of the Conspiracy , than you that this Conspirator is Guilty . THereafter the Lords Ordained the Assize to inclose , and return their Verdict to morrow by Nine a Clock in the Morning . Edinburgh , December 24. 1684 THe said day , The Persons who past upon the Assize of Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood , return'd their Verdict in presence of the saids Lords ; whereof the Tenor follows . The Assize , all in one Voice , finds the Crimes of Art and Part in the Conspiracy , and Plot Libelled ; and of concealing , and not revealing the same , clearly proven against Mr. Robert Baillie the Pannal , in respect of the Depositions of Witnesses and Adminicles adduced . Sic subscribitur , Strathmore Chancellor . AFter opening and reading of the which verdict of Assyze , The Lords , Justice General , Justice Clerk , and Commissioners of Justiciary , therefore , by the mouth of James Johnstoun Dempster of Court , Decerned and Adjudged the said Mr. Robert Baillie of Jerviswood to be taken to the Mercat Cross of Edinburgh , this twentie fourth day of December instant , betwixt two and four a clock in the afternoon , and there to be hanged on a Gibbet till he be dead , and his Head to be cut off , and his Body to be Quartered in four , and his head to be affixt on the Nether-bow of Edinburgh , and one of his Quarters to be affixt on the Tolbooth of Jedburgh , another on the Tolbooth of Lanerk , a third on the Tolbooth of Air , and a fourth on the Tolbooth of Glasgow ; And ordains his Name , Fame , Memory , and Honours to be extinct , his Blood to be Tainted , and his Arms to be riven forth , and delate out of the Books of Arms , so that his Posterity may never have Place , nor be able hereafter to bruik , or joyse any Honours , Offices , Titles or Dignities , within this Realm in time coming ; and to have Forfaulted , Ammitted and Tint all and sundry his Lands , Heritages , Tacks , Steadings , Rooms , Possessions , Goods and Gear whatsoever , pertaining to him , to Our Soveraign Lords use , to remain perpetually with His Highness , in Property , which was pronunced for Doom . Sic subscribitur . LINLITHGOW . James Foulis , I. Lockhart , David Balfour , Roger Hog , Al. Seton , P. Lyon. Extracted forth of the Books of Adjournal , by me Mr. Thomas Gordon , Clerk to the Justice Court , sic subscribitur : THO. GORDON In pursuance of which Sentence , His Majesties Heraulds , and Pursevants , with their Coats display'd ( after sound of Trumpets , ) Did publickly , in face of the Court ( conform to the custom , in the Sentences of Treason ) in His Majesties Name and Authority , Cancel , Tear and Destroy the said Mr. Robert Baillie his Arms , threw them in his Face , trampl'd them under foot ; And ordain'd his Arms to be expunged out of the Books of Herauldry , his Posterity to be ignoble , and never to injoy Honour and Dignity in time coming : And thereafter went to the Mercat-Cross of Edinburgh , and solemnly Tore and Cancelled the said Mr. Robert Baillie his Arms , and affixed the samine on the said Mercat-Cross Reversed , with this Inscription ; The Arms of Mr. Robert Baillie late of Jerviswood Traitor . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A50871-e110 Nota , That the ●arl of Tarras de●on'd nothing a●ainst Jerviswood ●ut what the other ●wo Witnesses de●on'd against him●elf before the Try●l , and upon which ●hereafter they be●ng renew'd , the Earl was forfault●d ; so that there ●ould be no ground ●f suspicion from ●is Circumstances .