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Salvation -- Early works to 1800. 2005-03 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-05 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-06 Mona Logarbo Sampled and proofread 2005-06 Mona Logarbo Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE POSSIBILITY AND NECESSITY Of the INWARD IMMEDIATE REVELATION Of the SPIRIT of GOD Towards the Foundation and Ground of True FAITH , proved in a Letter write in Latine , to a Person of Quality in Holland ; And now also put into English. By R. B. Printed in the Year 1686. ADVERTISEMENT To the READER . THIS serves to inform thee , that it is above seven years since this Epistle was Printed in Latine , the Person to whom it was write , the Heer Paets , is a Man of no mean accompt both in the Learned and Politick World ; The Conference I had with him was lately after his return from Spain , where he had been Ambassadour from the United Netherlands ; I discoursed with him on the same subject , last year at London , where he was one of the Commissioners for the Dutch Eastindian Company ; but could not find him propose any thing new , nor what I could conceive had any weight towards a Reph ; what his Reasons were , not to prosecute this Matter further , I shall not determine : But thus far he readily yeelded , That he had been mistaken in his notion of the Quakers , for he found they could make a Reasonable Plea for the foundation of their Religion . Vpon my reading it over again , I find an inclination in my self , and was perswaded by some Friends , to publish it in a Language more obvious to all my Countrey Men. It is a Question now frequently tossed , What is the Ground and Foundation of Faith ? And when the matter is sifted to the bottom , it resolves in Tradition or Revelation ; for those who lay claim to the Scripture , and would make it the foundation of their Faith , do resolve it but in a Tradition , when the Motives of Credibility are enquired unto , since the subjective Revelation which they yeeld , comes but in the last place , and is by themselves termed medium incognitum assentiendi . And such a Revelation those of Rome will not refuse , to influence them to assent to the determination of the Church : So those Protestants who say , the subjective operation of the Spirit influences them , ( tho they know not how ) to believe the Scripture presented and conveyed to them by Tradition , as the Dictats of GODS Spirit , and so understand them as their Preachers interpret them ; differ not much , or at least have not Reason to differ from the Church of Rome , who say , the Spirit influences them to believe the Scriptures as proposed by the Church , and according as her Doctors and Councils interpret them . And neither has any better foundation than Tradition ; And to speak the truth plainly , the Faith of both resolves in the veneration they have for their Doctors ; But whereas the one affirms , they do it by an intire Submission , they think it decent to say , they judge them infallible . And certainly , it is most reasonable that such as affirm the first , believe the last . The other because they pretend they believe the Church but conditionally , have denyed to her infallibility , tho generally they be as credulous as the other . And I find the Doctors of their Church as angry to be contradicted as the other , that is an ingredient goes to the Composition of all Clergy-Men , since it became a Trade , and went to make a part of the outward policy of the World , from whence has flowed that monster Persecution . In short , the matter is easily driven into this narrow compass ; we believe either because of an outward or inward Testimony , that is because it is outwardly delivered to us , or inwardly revealed to us . For my part , I think the Papists does wisely in pleading for Infallibility , for certainly the true Church never was nor can be without it : And the Protestants does honestly in not claiming it , because they are sensible they want it . I should therefore desire the one to prove that they are infallible ; and advice the other to believe they may , and seek after it : But I am sure , neither the one is , nor the other cannot without immediate Divine Revelation . Therefore as to deny Revelation , is a bad way to prove Infallibility ; so to deny Infallibility is a bad way to make a Reformation , since they who do reform , had need to be certain they are doing so . The asserting of Infallibility in the Church of ●hrist , is not the errour of the Church of Rome , but the pretending to it , when they have it not , and placing it where they should not : But since those who oppose immediate Revelation , do it on the accompt that they reckon it either impossible or unnecessary . I hope there will be as much found in this Epistle as will 〈◊〉 the contrary . I have now exceeded the limits of 〈◊〉 Advertisement , ( but being known not to be a Man of form ) I hope , my Reader will excuse me ; to whom I wish true certainty of Faith , and so bid him heartily Farewell , R. BARCLAY . The 9. of October , 87. My Friend , ALBEIT I judge I did fully answer to all thy Arguments in that Conference we had concerning the necessity and possibility of Inward Immediate Revelation , and of the certainty of True Faith from thence proceeding . Nevertheless , Because after we had made an end , and were parting , thou would needs remit to my further Consideration , the strength of thy Argument , as that in which thou supposed the very hing of the Question to lye : That I might satisfie thy desire , and that the Truth might more appear , I did further consider of it ; But the more I weighed it , I found it the weaker : And therefore that thou thy self may make the truer Judgement of it , I thought meet to send thee my further considerations thereon , ( which I had done err now , had not I both at London and elsewhere been diverted by other necessary occasions ) Wherein , I doubt not , but thou will perceive a full and distinct answer to thy Argument . But if thou cannot as yet yield to the Truth , or thinks mine answer in any part to be defective , so that there yet remains with thee , any matter of doubt or scruple I doe earnestly desire thee , that as I for thy sake , and out of love to the Truth have , not been wanting to examine thy Argument , and to transmitt to thee my Considerations thereon ; So thou may give thy self the trouble to write and send me what thou has further to say , which my Friend N. N. who delivers thee this , will at what time thou shall appoint receive from thee , and transmitt to me thy Letter , that at last the Truth may appear where it is . And that the whole matter may the more clearly be understood , it will be fit in the first place , to propose thy Argument whereby thou opposes the Immediat Revelation of GOD in the Saints , thence concluding thou has fully overturned the foundation of the People called Quakers . Which Argument of thine is , That since ( as thou judges ) the Beeing and Substance of the Christian Religion consisteth in the Knowledge of and Faith concerning the Birth , Life , Death , Resurrection and Ascension of Christ Jesus ; thou consider● the substance of the Christian Religion as a contingent truth ; which contingent truth is matter of fact : whence thou reasons , That matter of Fact cannot be known but by the relation of another , or by the perception of the outward Senses : Because there are naturally in our Souls no Ideas of contingent truths , such as are concerning necessary Truths : to wit , That GOD is , and tha● the whole is greater than the part ; And since i● may without absurdity be said , that GOD cannot make a contingent Truth to become a necessary Truth ; neither can GOD reveal contingent Truths or matters of Fact but as contingent Truths are revealed ; But matters of Fact are not revealed but by the outward Senses : From whence thou concludes , That Men are not even oblieged to believe GOD producing any Revelation ●n the Soul concerning matter of Fact , whether of a ●hing done or to be done , unless there be added some Miracles obvious to the outward senses , by which the Soul may be ascertained that that Revelation cometh from GOD : And this thou endeavours also to prove from the Scripture , Rom : 10. where the Apostle saith , Faith cometh by hearing : And because the Apostle speaketh afterwards of those who were ●ent in the plural number : Thence thou concludes , That to be spoken of outward Preaching by ●he Ministry of Men : And since the Apostle uses Question , saying , How shall they believe unless ●hey hear ? Thou gathers from the Induction and ●onnexion of the Text , that the Apostle treats ●nly of outward hearing ; thence concluding that ●ithout outward hearing , Faith cannot be produced : ●nd therefore , that there can be no Immediat Revelation by the simple operation of the Spirit in the Mind , ●nless there be somewhat proposed to the Out●ard senses . Before I proceed to a direct answer to this Ar●ument , some things are necessary to be premised , First then , That is falsly supposed , that the ●ence of the Christian Religion consists in the ●istoricall Faith and Knowledge of the Birth , ●eath , Life , Resurrection and Ascension of Christ That Faith and Historicall Knowledge is indeed a part of the Christian Religion ; But not such an Essentiall part , as that without which the Christian Religion cannot consist ; But an Integrall part , which goes to the compleating of the Christian Religion , as the Hands or Feet of a Man are Integrall parts of a Man , without which nevertheless a Man may exist , but not an intire and compleat Man. Secondly , If by Immediate Revelation be understood such a Revelation of GOD as begets in our Souls an historicall Faith and Knowledge of the Birth of Christ in the flesh , without the means o● the holy Scripture , we do not for such a Revelalation as commonly given or to be expected by u● or any other Christians ; For albeit many other Evangelical Truths be manifested to us by the immediate manifestation of God , not using the Scripture as the means : yet the Historical Knowledge o● Christ is not commonly manifested to us , nor t● any others , but by the holy Scripture as th● means , and that by way of a Material Object , eve● as when we see the Person of Peter or Paul by th● help of the Suns light ; that light of the Sun re●veals the Person of Peter or Paul to our visiv● Faculty immediately , yet not without the m●dium of that person concurring as a matterial O●ject to produce that sight , while the light of th● Sun concurrs as the formal Object of that vision 〈◊〉 sight : So that when we Livingly and Spiritua●ly know the History of the Birth of Christ 〈◊〉 the flesh , the Inward Revelation or Illumination 〈◊〉 GOD , which is like the Suns light , proceeding from the Divine Sun doth shine into the eye of the Mind , and by Its influence moves the mind to assent unto the Historical Truth of CHRISTS Birth , Life , &c. in the Reading or Hearing the Scripture , or meditating therein . Thirdly , Nevertheless we do firmly assert , that GOD can most easily , clearly and certainly manifest to our minds the Historical Truths of CHRISTS Birth , &c. when it so pleaseth Him , even without the Scripture or any other outward mean. And because this Argument seems to be formed against the possibility of such a Revelation , therefore I shall proceed to discuse it . But first , thou may mind that the Prophets who foretold CHRISTS coming in the Flesh , and being to be born of a Virgin , and afterwards to suffer Death , did know these Truths of Fact , by the Inward Inspiration of GOD without Outward Means , for which see 1 Peter 1.10 , 11. Now that which hath been may be . Fourthly , This Argument doth at most conclude that we cannot know Naturally any truth of Fact , but by the relation of another without us , or by the perception of the outward senses ; Because there are naturally in our minds no Ideas concerning contingent Truths ( and every Truth of Fact is a contingent Truth ) as there are of necessary Truths . This then proveth that we cannot naturally know any contingent Truth but by the relation of another , or perception of the outward senses : But that hindreth not , but we may know a contingent Truth by a supernaturall Knowledge , GOD supplying the place of an outward Relator , who is so true , that he may and ought to be believed ; Sith GOD is the fountain of Truth . Fifthly , When GOD doth make known unto Men any matter of Fact by Divine immediat Revelation or Inspiration , GOD speaking as to the Ear of the Heart of the inward Man , or as by his Finger writting it therein . Two things are to be considered in such an Immediat Revelation . 1. Tòmateriale , The matter of fact or thing revealed which is contingent . 2. Toformale , The forme or mode , how the Revelation is made , which forme is an Inward , Divine and supernaturall Revelation , which is the voice or speech of GOD , inwardly speaking to the Ear of the inward Man , or Mind of Man ▪ or a Divine writting , supernaturally imprinted therein . Now as to the matteriall part , or the thing and matter revealed ; This is indeed a contingent Truth , and of it self is not manifest to the Mind , but because of the form , that is , because of the Divine mode and supernaturall inward operation , the matter is known to be true : For that Divine and Supernatural Inward Operation , which the Mind doth feel and perceive in it self , is the Voice of GOD speaking unto Man , which by its Nature and specifick Property , is as clearly distinguished and understood to be the Voice of GOD , as the voice of Peter of James is known to be the voice of such Men : for every Beeing as a Beeing is knowable , and that by its own speci●●●k Nature or Property proceeding from its Nature , and hath its proper Idea by which it's distinguishable from every other thing , if so be it's Idea be stirred up in us , and clearly proposed to us . Sixthly , Now as some Beeings are Natural , some Supernatural ; so some Ideas are Natural , some Supernatural : And as when any natural Idea is excited in us , we clearly know it . So also when a supernatural Idea is raised , we clearly know that whereof it is the Idea : but the Voice of GOD speaking to the mind of Man , is a supernatural Beeing , and stirreth up in us a supernatural Idea , by which we clearly know that inward Voice to be the Voice of GOD , and not the voice or operation of another , or of any evil Spirit , or Angel , because none of these has a supernatural Idea , as the Voice of GOD , and his Divine Operation hath ; for it is full of Vigour , Virtue , and Divine Glory , as saith the Psalmist , who had often experience of it , and we also in our measures are witnesses thereof , for the Voice of GOD is known to be his by its Divine Virtue . Seventhly , The senses are either Outward or Inward , and the Inward senses are either Natural or Supernatural : We have an example of the Inward Natural Sense in being Angied or Pacified , in Love and Hatred , or when we perceive and discern any Natural Truth , ( such as the Natural Maxims , to wit , That the whole is greater then the part : or when we deduce any Conclusion by the strength of Natural Reason , that Perception also in a larger sense may be called an inward Sense . But an Example of an Inward supernatural Sense is , when the Heart or Soul of a pious Man feels in it self Divine Motions , Influences , and Operations , which sometimes are as the voice or speech of GOD , sometimes as a most pleasant and glorious Illustration or visible Object to the inward Eye , Sometimes as a most sweet Savour or Taste , sometimes as a Heavenly and Divine Warmness , or ( so to speak ) Melting of the Soul in the Love of GOD. Moreover this Divine and supernatural Operation in the Mind of a Man is a true and most glorious Miracle , which when it is perceived by the Inward and supernatural Sense , divinely raised up in the Mind of Man , doth so evidently and clearly perswade the Understanding to assent to the thing revealed , that there is no need of an outward Miracle ; for this Assent is not because of the thing it self , but because of the Revelation proposing it , which is the Voice of GOD : For when the Voice of GOD is heard in the Soul , the Soul doth as certainly conclude the truth of that Voice as the truth of GOD'S Beeing , from whom it proceeds . These things being thus premised , I now proceed to a direct Answer : For what is said , that GOD cannot make a contingent Truth to become a necessarie Truth , I agree : But when any Contingent Truth is manifest to us by the Immediat Revelation of GOD : There is in it two things to be considered , to wit , the thing revealed which is Contingent ; And the Revelation it self , which upon the Supposition that it is a Divine Revelation , is no contingent Truth , but a most Necessarie Truth . And this all mankind will say , that this Proposition , Every divine Revelation is necessarly true , is as clear and evident as that Proposition , That every Whole is greater then its Part. But thou wilt say , how knows thou that a Divine Revelation is a Divine Revelation ? I answer , how knows thou that a Whole is a Whole , and a Part is a Part ? Thou wilt say , by the natural Idea excited in me of a Whole and of a Part. I answer again , even so , a Divine Revelation is known to be such by a Supernatural Idea of Divine Revelation stirred up in us , and that by a Divine Motion or Supernatural Operation . But it is no wonder that Men who have no Experience of Supernatural Ideas , or at lest do not heed them , doe deny them ; which is as if a man naturally blind denyed Light , or Colours ; or a deaf man Sounds , because they experience them not . Therefore we cannot dissemble that we feel a fervent Zeal , even Divinely kindled in us against such an absurd opinion , as affirms , That God cannot ascertain us of his will in any contingent Truth , but by proposing it to the outward Senses . This Opinion does in a manner turn Men into brutes , as if Man were not to believe his GOD , unless he propose what is to be believed to the outward Senses , which the beasts have common with us ; yea it derogats from GOD's Power , and imputes weakness to him , as if he could not do that which not only both good and evil Angels can doe , but which the meanest Creatures can doe and the most unsensible ; As for instance , the heat of the fire , the coldness of the Air , & Water worketh upon us ; yea if a Pinn prick us , we feel it , & that by the outward Sense ; because the Objects are outward and carnal . But since GOD is a most Pure and Glorious Spirit , when he operateth in the Innermost parts of our Minds by his will ; Shall not he and his will be clearly felt according to his Nature ? That is by a spiritual and supernatural Sense ; For as the Nature of GOD is , so is the Nature of his will , to wit , purely spiritual ; And therefore requireth a Spiritual Sense to discern it ; which Spiritual Sense when it is raised up in us by a divine Operation , doth as clearly and certainly know the voice or revelation of the will of GOD , concerning any thing which GOD is pleased to reveal however Contingent , as the outward Sense knows , and perceives the Outward Object : And it is no less absurd to require of GOD , who is a most pure Spirit , to manifest his will to Men by the outward Senses , else not to be credited ; As to require us to see sounds , and hear Light and Colours . For as the Objects of the outward Senses are not to be confounded , but every Object is to have its proper Sense : So must we judge of inward and spiritual Objects , which have their proper Sense , whereby they are to be perceived . And tell me how God doth manifest his will concerning matters of Fact , when he sends his Angels to men , since Angels ( as is commonly received ) have not outward Senses or at least not so gross ones as ours are ? Yea , when Men dye and apear before the Tribunal of GOD , whether unto eternal Life or Death , how can they know this having laid down their bodies , and therewith their outward Senses ? And nevertheless this Truth of GOD is a Truth of Fact , as is the historicall Truth of Christs Birth in the Flesh. And which is yet more near ; how do good and holy Men even in this Life most certainly know that they are in Favour and Grace with GOD ? No Outward Revelation doth make this known unto them , but the Spirit ( as saith the Apostle ) beareth witness with our Spirits that we are the Children of GOD. For the meer Testimonie of a human Conscience , without the inward Testimonie of the holy Spirit , cannot beget in us a firm and immoveable Testimony of our Sonship , because the Heart of Man is deceitfull , and if the Testimony thereof were true , at most it is but a Human Testimonie which begetteth in us only an human Faith ; But that Faith by which holy Men believe they are the Sons of GOD is a Divine Faith , which leans upon a Divine Testimony of the holy Spirit , witnessing in them that they are the Sons of GOD. Moreover when a good Man feels in himself that undeclarable Joy of the holy Spirit , concerning which the holy Scripture speaks , and which is the common Priviledge of the Saints , how or whence feels he this Joy ? Truely this Argument concludes no less against this Heavenly Spiritual Joy which is begotten in the Souls of the Saints by the holy Spirit , then it does against the immediat Revelation of GOD ; for there is no natural Idea in Men of this spiritual Joy , else meer natural Men , yea such as are prophane and ungodly would feel it as much as the Godly : But because it is a Supernatural thing , Therefore it can have no true Idea , but what is Supernatural . Moreover whence is it that prophane Men feel sometimes in themselves the Wrath of GOD as Fire , when all things as to the outward go as prosperously with them as with the Godly , and oftentimes more prosperously ? For there is no natural Idea in Men of this inward Wrath of GOD : There is also an inward Grief oftentimes raised up in Wicked Men from the sense of this Wrath of GOD , which very much vexeth and tormenteth their Minds , and nevertheless this Grief hath no natural Idea in us : For oftentimes wicked Men feel not this Sorrow , for God sometimes is , as it were silent while the Wicked sin , as in Psalm 50. All which things do most clearly demonstrate that there are in Men Supernatural Ideas of supernatural Beeings ; which Ideas are nevertheless not perceived by us unless they be stirred up by some Supernatural Operation of GOD , which raiseth up in us Supernatural and Spiritual , Senses which by their Nature are as distinguishable from the natural Senses whether inward or owtward , as the natural Senses are distinguished one from another by their specifick Difference . Of which Spiritual Senses the Scripture speaks frequently , as Heb. 5. and 14. Where is spoken of the Spiritual senses in general , by which the spiritual Man hath the discerning of Good and Evil ; which Good is of a spiritual Nature , and conduceth to feed in us a Spiritual and Divine Life ; And the Evil is of that kind by which the spiritual Life is in us hurt : To wit Sins , whether carnal or spiritual : All which cannot be discerned but by such who have Spiritual Senses stirred up in them , as saith the Apostle . In other places the Scripture also speaketh of these Spiritual senses , in particular , as of the Spiritual seeing : Ps : 34.9 . Of the spiritual Hearing , Ps : 85. and 9. Of spiritual Tasting , Ps : 34.8 . Of Spiritual smelling , Cant. 1.3 . of Spiritual touching , Acts 17 : 8. and in many other places of Scripture we read of those Spritual Senses in particular . Yea , it is the Promise of the Gospel , that The glory of GOD shall be seen of holy Men , such as are clean of Heart , even in this Life : Isa. 33.17 . Mat. 5.8 . Which were fulfilled in the primitive Christians , see John 1.14 . 1 John 1.1 , 2 , 3 , 4. 2 Cor. 3.18 . and Chap. 4.6 . But what is this Vision of GOD and Divine Glory which the Soules of the Saints enjoy in this Life , which is only as the Earnest or first Fruits of that more abundant glorious Vision in the Life to come , concerning which the Scripture so much declareth , which is the highest happiness of the Immortal Soul. For this Argument seemeth to doe no less Injury to the Saints , then to rob them of this most glorious Treasure , both in this Life and that to come ; For there is in us no Natural Idea of this Divine Glory , as there is not of GOD himself , which is any wayes proportionable unto so great Happiness which the Scripture so much declareth of , by which the Godly are rewarded , partly in this Life , and plenarly in that which is to come . We confess indeed , there is in all Men as well the Godly as ungodly , some sort of Idea of GOD , as of a most perfect Beeing ; and that therefore this Proposition , There existeth a most perfect Beeing , doth as clearly appear to Human understanding , as that the whole is greater then the part , And therefore this proposition , That a most perfect Beeing existeth , ought to be numbred among the Principalls that of themselves are manifest ; But this Idea of God is as manifest to Ungodly as to Godly Men , yea is as clearly perceived by the Devill , as by the most holy Angels , for all the Devills know that GOD is ; But yet how blind is the Devill , and all wicked Men as to the Vision of GOD , which is the chief reward of the Saints . There is then either no such Vision of GOD , neither in this Life nor in that to come , or there is a Supernatural Idea of GOD in us , by which we are made capable of this Vision : Which Supernaturall Idea of GOD , differeth much from that Natural Idea of GOD , which Cartesius and his followers so much talk of , ( albeit others long before Cartesius did observe this Natural Idea of GOD , and spoke of it ) But the happiness of the Saints consists not in contemplating this Naturall Idea of GOD ; Else the wicked would be as happy as the Godly , yea the very Devill as the most holy Angel ; Since as is said , both the Devill and most wicked Men doe as clearly perceive this Natural Idea of GOD , as the most holy Men or Angels . If the Scriptures then be true , there is in Men a Supernatural Idea of GOD , which altogether differs from this naturall Idea , I say , in all Men ; Because all men are capable of Salvation ; and consequently , of injoying this Divine Vision : Now this capacity consisteth herein , that they have such a Supernatural Idea in themselves : For , if there were no such Idea in them it were impossible they should so know God : For whatsoever is clearly and Distinctly known , is known by its proper Idea , nether can otherways be clearly and distinctly known ; For the Ideas of all things are Divinly planted in our Souls , for they are not begotten in us by outward objects , or outward causes , ( As the better Philosophy teacheth ) but only are by these outward things excited or stirred up : And this is true not only in Supernatural Ideas of GOD , and things Divine , and in Natural Ideas of the naturall Principals of Human understanding , and conclusions thence deduced by the strength of human reason ; but even in the Ideas of outward objects , which are perceived by the outward Senses ; As that noble Christian Philosopher Boetius hath well observed , to which also the Cartesian Philosophie agreeth : For when I see any outward object , whether it be a Man , or Horse , or Bird , the outward object does not treat in my eye , nor yet in my mind the Idea of those things ; For the outward object does nothing but Imprint in our sensible Organs a Corporall motion : Now there is nothing in a Corporall motion that can form in us , the Ideas of those things ; For all Ideas are of a Spiritual Nature : Now nothing that is Corporall can produce that which is Spirituall , because the less excellent cannot produce the more excellent , Else the effect would exceed its cause , which is against all sound reason that it should bring forth what were of a higher and more excellent kind . Therefore all Ideas whether Of Natural or Spirituall things , are Divinly implanted in our minds ; Which nevertheless do not alwayes appear , but sometimes appear , and sometimes are as it were hid in us , and sometimes are stirred up in us by causes outward or inward , and again do as it were sleep and shun our observation , and seem not to be otherwayes distinguished by our minds , but as thoughts and perceptions of the mind from the mind it self . That is as the Mode from the Subject , or as a Bod●lie Motion from the body whereof it is the Motion ; For as is the Relation of a Bodily Motion to a Body , so is the Relation of a thought or perception of the mind to the mind . In this nevertheless they differ that the mind can move it self and operat in it self which a body cannot doe ; But as a Body can be moved by another , So also can the Mind after its manner be moved by another , and that both by outward and inward causes ; But chiefly by GOD himself , in whose hand all Souls and Creatures are . But of these things there is enough said at present , and I hope , I have not thus farr Impertinently Philosophised . To return again to the matter in question It is already proved , That there is in a Man a Supernaturall Idea of GOD , from whence it easily may be concluded There are other Supernaturall Ideas in man also : To wit , Concerning Divine and Supernaturall things ; Yea ( as the Saints experience doth prove it ) neither doth sound reason any ways contradict it . ) As there are then Naturall Ideas concerning the things of the natural World , as for instance , Ideas of Light and Colours , Ideas of Voice and Sounds , Ideas of Savouring and and Smelling , Ideas of Tasting and Feeling , as of Heat and Cold , of Grief and Joy : It follows also that there are Ideas of supernatural things , concerning the Divine and supernatural things of the Divine and Supernaturall World ; As Ideas of those things above mentioned in the Spiritual World ; And as the Naturall Ideas are stirred up in us by outward and Naturall Bodies ; So those Divine and Supernatural Ideas are stirred up in us by a certain Principle , which is a body in naturalls in Relation to the Spirituall World ; And therefore may be called a Divine Body ; Not as if it were a part of GOD , who is a most pure Spirit , But the Organ or Instrument of GOD , by which he worketh in us and stirreth up in us these Ideas of Divine things , This is that Flesh and Blood of Christ , by which the Saints are nurished , which is a Mystery to all unregenerated and meer natural Men , never to be reached by them , while they remaine in that state . Now if there be such Supernatural Ideas , there are also Senses , or Perceptive faculties by which those Ideas are perceived , for those are two relatives that suppose and inferr one another : But in wicked men those Senses or faculties do as it were sleep ( as the Visive faculty of a blind man ) But in the Godly they are stirred up . Now by these Divine and Spirituall Senses which are distinct and distinguishable from all the naturall faculties of the Soul , whether of Imagination or naturall reason , Spirituall minded men do behold the Glory and Beauty of GOD , In respect whereof and for which all the Glory of this World is despicable to them ; Yea even as dross and dung , and they also hear GOD Inwardly speaking in their Souls words truly Divine and Heavenly , full of Virtue and Divine Life ; And they savour and taste of Divine things , and doe as it were handle them with the hands of their Souls , And those Heavenly Enjoyments do as realy differ in their nature from all false similitudes and fa●itious appearances of them , which either the mind of Man by its own streng●h can imitate , or any evill spirit to deceive man can counterfit , as a true Man differs from the dead Image of a Man , or true Bread , Honey , Wine or Milk doth from the meer Picture of those things . And albeit either the Imagination of Man or subtility of the Devil may Counterfit false likenesses of these Injoyments , by which men may be deceived ; and no doubt many are deceived ; That doth not hinder but that those divine Injoyments are clearly perceived in such in whom the Divine and spirituall senses are truly opened , and the true Supernaturall Ideas of those things truly raised up : And if there be at any time a mistake , the Divine Illumination is not the cause of that mistake , but some evill disposition of the Mind , as happeneth in those things relating to naturall Reason ; For there are many false appearances of Reason , which differ as much from true Reason , as those false and pretended Revelations and Diabolicall Inspirations from such as are truly Divine . Now how many Men who would be esteemed Philosophers , are miserably deceived by those false likenesses of Reason ? Judging their false Reasons to be the true similitudes of things and solid Ratiocinatione ; which nevertheless moveth no man of sound Reason to reject sound and solid Reason , as doubtfull and uncertain : For even sound naturall Reason is an excellent Gift of GOD , and very usefull to mankind , when used in its proper place ; But let none think to comprehend by their naturall reason things that are of a divine and supernaturall kind : And as we use to do when any one is deceived by false appearances of Reason , we endeavour to reduce them to contemplate the first naturall Ideas of naturall things , and to meditate therein , which is as a Test , or Touchstone , by which all the appearances and likenesses of Reason are to be examined , if they contradict them to be rejected : So also when any one is deceived by his own Imagination , or the cunning of satan , thinking any evil inspiration of the devil to be a true Divine Revelation ; He that is so deceived , is to be reduced to the naturall Ideas of things ( if so be that pretended Revelation doth contradict them ; For no true Divine Revelation can contradict the true naturall Idea ) or to the Supernaturall Ideas of Divine things , which are most simple , clear and obvious to the minds of men , if they will turn their minds to the Divine seed in them ; or at least those Ideas are readily and easily stirred up : For as in Naturall Ideas , so in Supernaturall , Some are more easily raised then others ; For there is an certain order both of Naturall and Supernaturall Ideas , whereby they are gradually excited ; Nor is there any Mortall Man in whose Mind at some time or other there is not stirred up some Idea , that 's truly Supernaturall and Divine : And who hath not felt in himself both the Wrath and Judgement of GOD for his sins ; And also some tender and gentle taste of GOD'S Love and Goodness , by which wicked men are invited to Repentance . Now that which is thought to be a Divine Revelation , is felt to contradict any Divine and Supernaturall Idea , which is clearly perceived in the Soul , it is a manifest token that it is not a Divine Revelation , but either a false Imagination , or the wicked sugestion of some evill spirit But to proceed if we will hear the Scripture ( as all Christians ought ) It testifies to us , That GOD hath declared his Mind and Will , even concerning Contingent Truths to come in the Prophets ; As that of the first to the Heb 〈…〉 doth evidently declare , GOD who at sundry times , and in diverse manners spoke to our Fathers in the Prophets ; Yea let us hear the Prophets themselves ▪ Hosea Chap : 1. saith plainly , That the Word of the LORD was made in him , As it is in the Heb. Habakuk also sayes , As he was standing on his Watch to see what Jehovah would speak in him : And it is so manifest that the most Heavenly Revelations are by Inward Illustrations and Inspirations in the very minds of the Prophets , That it is strange how any that believes the Scripture should doubt of it . And if it happened at any time such Revelations were made in the naturall Imaginations of the Prophets , or any of their Inward ●aturall Senses , Then it may be confessed , they could not be infallibly certain they came from GOD , unless they also felt GOD in the Divine and Supernaturall Senses ; by which they did most neerly approach to him , from these Superior and most Inward Senses working upon the lower and less noble Faculties of the Mind . But which ever way the Prophets were certain that they were Inspired of GOD , even when they foretold Contingent Truths to come ; It is without doubt they were most certainly perswaded that they were Divinly Inspired , and that frequently without any Outward Miracle ; For John the Baptist did no Miracle , and many Prophesied where there appeared no Miracle , as in the Scripture may be often observed . And , we also by the Inspiration of the same Divine Spirit by which the Prophets prophesied do believe their Words and Writtings to be Divine concerning Contingent Truths , as well past as to come ; else that Faith by which we believe the Scripture would not be Divine but meerly Humane : And thence we need no outward Miracles to move us to Believe the Scriptures , And therefore much less were they necessary to the Prophets who Write them ; For we see in many places of the Prophets , where they declare Prophesies as revealed to them of GOD , there is not a word mentioned of any outward Miracle , as that by which alone they were certain of it . Moreover the falseness of this Argument doth appear , in that the Scripture doth declare many Contingent Truths to have been revealed to the Prophets in Dreams : Now as naturall and wicked men do not see what they dream , by a reall perception of the Outward Senses , but by Inward Ideas which are presented to the Mind and perceived by it : so it is also in Divine Revelations of this nature , Of which we have a clear Example in Joseph the Husband of the Blessed Virgin , who when he observed his Wife with Child , was told in a Dream , That She had Conceived by the Holy Ghost . Now I would Know , to which of Joseph's Outward Senses was this revealed ? or what miracle had he to Induce him to Believe ? Which could neither be proved , ( so as to make an Infallible application to Mary ) by the Testimony of the Scripture , And which being against the Order of nature did choak his reason : The Scripture mentions no miracle in this matter , and yet no doubt Joseph had highly sinned , had he not Believed this Revelation , and not withstanding rejected his Wife as an Adulteress : But if thou say , That according to thy Hypothesis , there must have been a miracle ; That is only to beg the Question : And how false this Hypothesis is , The Apostle shews clearly , Corinth . 2.14 . The Naturall or Animall Man knoweth not , receiveth not the things of GOD : Now Divine Revelations are of this Nature ; and if either chiefly or only those things were to be Judged by the Outward Senses it would contradict the Apostle ; For natural Men , yea the most wicked have the use of the outward senses as true and exact as the most Godly : And whereas the Apostle adds , For they are Spiritually Discerned : It puts the Matter out of all Question ; For thence it abundantly appears , that this discerning is not by the Outward Senses , according to the following verse , for the Apostle saith , The Spirituall Man Judgeth all things : This then must be done by some senses or Properties Peculiar to the Spirituall man , and in which he excells the naturall man , which is not in the outward senses ( as all do know ) Therefore the perception of spirituall things cannot be by the outward senses , either as the chief or only means , as is falsly contended for . Now as to these words of the Apostle , Rom. 10. That Faith comes by Hearing ; Zuinglius observed well ▪ That the Apostle intended not to affirm Faith to come by the hearing of the Outward Word , Neither doth the following words prove it ; How shall they Believe unless they hear ? And how shall they hear without a Preacher ? And how shall they Preach unless they be sent ? For the Apostle uses these words not as his Arguments , but as Objections which might be formed , As the same Apostle uses in other places ; To which Objections he answers in the same Chapter , as appears verse 18. But I say , have they not all heard ? Yes truly , their Voice went into all the Earth ; That is of the Father and Son , Or the Father in the Word , which Word is not only neer us , But ( according to the same Apostle , in the same Chapter ) in our Mouths , and in our Hearts . But further thou can conclude nothing from this , But that Faith is begotten by Outward Hearing only , and no otherwise : For this is the strength of thy Argument , That since Faith cannot be without Outward Hearing , Therefore nothing can be certainly believed , but where somewhat is proposed to the Outward Hearing , For if thou acknowledge Faith can be begotten any otherwise then by Hearing , thou looses the strength of thy Argument : And if that Argument hold That Faith comes only by Outward Hearing , thou destroyes the whole Hypothesis ; For having before affirmed that outward miracles are sufficient to render one certain of the Truth of any Revelation ; those miracles whether it be the healing of the Sick , or the raising of the Dead , would avail nothing , because those ( as for most part all miracles ) are obvious to the sight , not to the Hearing : And if it be not by Outward Hearing only , thou can conclude nothing from this place . But I the more wonder , thy using of this Argument , considering the Discourse we had together before we entred upon this debate ; For when we were speaking of the Opinions of a certain Person , who denyed the certainty of every thing , but what was discerned by the outward Senses , thou condemned as most absurd ; But why , I cannot conceive since there is no great difference betwixt those two Opinions , the one saith , There can be no certainty concerning any Truth , whether they be necessary or Contingent , but by the perception of the Senses ; The other affirms the same of Contingent Truths , though not of Necessary Truths ▪ But among the number of Contingent Truths thou Esteems what belongs to Christian Religion : For thou reckon the necessary Truths only to belong to naturall Religion . This then is all the difference that that other Person sayes , There is no certainty of any Religion , neither Naturall nor Christian but by the perception of the Outward Senses ; But thou sayes , though thou Esteems the Certainty of Naturall Re●i●ion to be without them , yet not of the Christian Religion . But again since thou Esteems that not Naturall Religion but the Christian Religion is necessary to Salvation ; Thou must necessarly conclude , That th●se Truths which are necessary to Salvation are only known and beleived by the benefit of the Outward Senses : In which Conclusion , which is the Summ of all , thou yields the Matter to that other Person . But lastly , If all the certainty of our Faith , Hope , and Salvation , did depend upon the Infallibility of outward Senses , we should be most mis●rable ; since these Senses can be easily deceived , and by many outward Casualities , and Naturall infirmities , whereunto the Godly are no less subject then the wicked , are often vitiated and there are ( as the Scripture affirms ) false miracles which as to the outward cannot be distinguished from the True , of which we cannot infallibly Judge by the outward Senses , which only discern what is outward . There is a necessity then to have recourse to some other Means . From all which it does appear how fallacious and weak this Argument is , but thanks be unto GOD , who would not that our Faith should be built upon so uncertain and doubtfull a Foundation : And whoever hath known True Faith , or hath felt the Divine Testimony of GOD'S Spirit in his Soul , will judge otherwise , neither will be moved by such Reasonings ; I pray GOD therefore remove these Clouds which darken thy Understanding , that thou may perceive the Glorious Gospell of CHRIST . This is that Saving Word of Grace which I commend thee unto ; And that GOD may give thee a Heart inclinable to believe and obey the Truth , is the desire of , Thy Faithfull Freind , R. BARCLAY . The 24th . of the Month , called , November , 1676. This Letter a Year ago at the desire of my Freind , R. B. I delivered into the hands of the aforenamed Ambassadour , desiring his answer in writting , which he then promised ; but not having as yet done , It was seen meet to be published . B. F. Rotterdam the 28 of March ; 1678.