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Sects -- England. 2006-03 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2006-07 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-02 Robyn Anspach Sampled and proofread 2007-02 Robyn Anspach Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A DEFENCE OF THE ANTIDOTE AGAINST Mr. Baxter's Palliated Cure of Church Divisions WHEREIN Mr. Baxter's Contradictions and Inconsistences , with the Truth , and with Himself , are clearly discovered : And the great question about Conformity briefly stated , In a Letter to Mr. Richard Baxter . By Edward Bagshaw . How long do yee halt between two Opinions , 1 Kings 18.21 . Should not the multitude of words be answered ? and should a Man full of Talk be justified ? Job 11.2 . Thou canst not bear them which are evil , and thou hast tried them which boast themselves to be Apostles , and are not , and hast sound them Lyars . Rev. 2.2 . Printed in the Year 1671. TO Mr. RICHARD BAXTER , Health , Peace , and a Sound Mind . SIR , I Perceive you take it for granted ( without any particular enquiring from my self about it ) that I wrote those just and weighty exceptions , which were lately published against your ( Pretended and Palliated ) Cure of Church Divisions ; and notwithstanding any necessary Sharpness which I was forced to use in that seasonable Antidote , yet I find you still are pleased to call me Brother , which is a Civility I should have thanked you for , had the rest of your stile been answerable to the mildness of that expression ; but since you take that Unbecoming liberty , as to revile when you should repent , and instead of Confessing and Forsaking your Errors , charge me with crimes , which I bless God I dare not allow in my Words , ( much less in my Writings which are more deliberate . ) This makes me suspect that your Pretence of Friendship , and allowing me the title of Brother , was only done with the same design , that Joab had when he thus saluted Amaza , to make the Sword in your right Hand to be the less observed , and my wound thereby the more deadly and unavoidable ; so that till my Truth and Innocence be cleared , and your Repentance ( for wronging me in both ) manifested , it will be a Favour if you look upon me as one , who neither desires , nor ( if you believe what your self hath writ ) Deserves , any such expressions of your familiarity . To shew how much you are for the Middle-way ( tha is in other words , neither to be Hot nor Cold , or neither to be altogether for Truth nor altogether for Error , but to hang Laodicea like , in a Lukewarm , and Neutral indifference between both ) you have taken pains to find out a Middle name , between a Mistake and a Lye , which you wittily call an untruth ; and this you are pleased to charge upon me , as a very soft word , and one that I would not be offended with : But Sir , this frothy complement might have been spared , for I hope you are not to learn that every untruth is a lye ( Iohn 1.62.2.2 ) and you needed not have been so scrupulous of speaking your thoughts in Scripture language ; but this I ought not to wonder at , since you are not afraid to dethrone the Scripture from being a Perfect Rule , (a) and therefore would manifest by this Invention , that you thought it not sufficient to teach us the right way of speaking , and so was not a Perfect Rule of good manners . But leaving your Phrase , I rather chuse to speak unto the Thing you mean by it , and whether I have been so guilty as to wrong you , either by a Mistake , or a Lye , or an Vntruth , or whatsoever fine word else you please to use , remains now to be examined , in this brief review and defence of some of the principal Exceptions , that I have already urged against you , upon the clearing of which , the whole cause , that is in controversie between us , will depend . My first Exception was , That the whole design of your Book was to make your Brethren ( that have not your latitude , and cannot reach the subtilty of your Distinctions ) Odious . This you tell me , is a Fundamental Vntruth , which animates all the rest for it was not your Design at all : Truly Sir , I am so unwilling to charge either you , or any else , with more then . I have grounds to think is justly your due , that I would gladly take your word in this matter , and so pass it over ; but I hope you will pardomme if I cannot ; because , First , Many hundreds of sober , impartial , and unbiassed persons , have carefully read your Book , as well as my self , and they all make the same judgment of it ; and I think in reason , that is to be esteemed the design of a Book , whatever was the secret and unknown intention of the Writer , which the words themselves , and the manner of writing ( without any streining ) do offer unto every serious and inquisitive Reader : Secondly , This use hath already been made of your Book , to render such as cannot Conform much more criminal then before , in that your Name and Credit is urged against them ; and this not only in discourse by many , but by a late Author in Print , who quotes your Book to justifie his Treatise against Toleration . Thirdly , in your very next Paragraph , ( and likewise elsewhere in this last Book ) (b) You call Separation a crying Sin , nay the crying sin ; and you scruple not to insinuate that all the iudgments , which in this Nation we do either feel or fear , were to be changed upon separation as the principal procuring cause . Pray Sir , consider this , and then tell me , what can make your Brethren more Odious , and more expose them to the peoples fury , and to the Rulers Revenge , then thus to make them the Causes of the Nations Calamity : If in separating from the publick Forms of Worship ( which we therefore account false , because God hath not commanded them ) our sin is so great , that the place where we live cannot be held Innocent , but must suffer from the Hand of God for our sakes , we are certainly a people who deserve to be hated of all , and the Confiscations , Imprisonments and Deaths , which some of us have already felt ( and possibly may yet remain in greater extremity to be our portion ) are no longer to be bewailed and grieved for as Persecutions of the Innocent , but rather to be rejoyced and gloried in , as due punishments of Noxious Offenders ; so that either you must retract and blot such passages out of your Book ( and thereby testifie your Repentance of them ) or we are confident both God and the World will justifie us , if we still retain our Opinion of the ill meant and unworthy design of your Book against us . Your next attempt is to free your self from being looked upon as an Earnest and Active Instrument in the late Warr ; I mean ( since you press me to speak plainly ) in the Parliament's War against the King : I said , It became not you to mention with so much Bitterness what was then done , (c) because you were as guilty of stirring up and fomenting that warr , as any one whatsoever : This you absolutely deny , and boast much of your Loyalty , and seem to be greatly offended that such a thing should be charged upon you , and I am again reproached wth Vntruth for it : Sir , I am not willing to take up former matters , nor do I at all delight to expose you union the scorn of your enemies , and to the pity of your friends , but I cannot help it ; you have confidently made the challenge , and will not be beholding to an act of Indemnity , but stand upon your Innocence , and therefore you must endure what follows . I must confess your bold and resolute disclaiming any Activeness in that warr , did so much stagger me , that I began to question the truth of all the Reports that I had heard ; but your own books ( which I have since read ) do so fully prove my charge , that nothing but your hopes that all is forgotten as well as pardoned , which is past , could ever embolden you to so peremptory denyal ? What Sir , were not you as Active in that War as any ? whcn , in your Holy Common-wealth (d) you tell us , That , when you engaged in the Parliaments war against the King , You thought it the greatest outward service that ever you performed to God ; And , That you encouraged many thousands to it . And , that , Though many things fell out otherwise then you expected , yet you were so far from repenting of what you had done , that did the same circumstances occurre , you would do it again , or else you should be guilty of Treason or Disloyalty against the Soveraign power of the Land , and of persidiousness to the Common-wealth , &c. Can you read Sir these passages , and still deny , that with your utmost industry you did promote the War ? or can you think you dealt uprightly in blaming those , who did much less then you , though they have since suffered more ? and because you declaim so much against the changes which followed upon the War , and ask me , ( who had nothing at all to do with it ) many malicious and ensnaring questions about them . This I must tell you doth as little become you as the other ; for how can you , with any appearance of integrity , reproach others for Changing the Government , when , ( in your writings ) you do highly approve of that , which was the worst part of the Change , the setting up of Cromwell to be Protector ? what is this else but to cry out loudly against the Treason , and yet to hugg and to embrace the Traytour ? For you greatly commend that absurd tool , The Humble Petition and Advice , ( which was Cromwells instrument of Government ) And you say of it (e) A more excellent Law hath not been made for the happiness of England , concerning Parliaments , at least since the Reformation , And of Cromwell himself ( though he dyed in his sinful usurpation , without manifesting any Repentance ) you give this Saint-like Character , in your Preface to the Army , The late Protector did prudently , Piously , faithfully ( to his immortall honour , how ill soever you used him ) exercise the Government . Sir , could you say all this of him then , and doe you think your most partial friends can justifie you now , when you compare him to the Tyrant Maximus , and make him in effect to be nothing else but a (f] Murderous and a Bloody Vsurper ? which although it may ( in the mouth of another who never flattered him ) be perhaps received as his True Character , yet it became not you ( who had so officiously before brought your Odours to embalm his memory ) thus to bespatter and disgrace him . As for your Flattery to his Son , which I also charged you with , and you ( with a strange , but not to your self unusual , boldness ) do deny , what can be more apparent ? In your Disputations about Church Government . You thus address your self to him , I observe that the Nation generally rejoyceth in your peaceable entrance upon the Government , and many are perswaded you have been kept from blood in our late warrs , that God might make you a healer of our breaeches , and employ you in the Temple-work , which David himself , though he earnestly desired it , might not be honoured with : And then you advise him to cherish Vnion among his own Pastors ; for This , say you , would be the way to lift him up highest in the esteem and love of all his people , and make them see , that he was appointed of God to be a Healer and a Restorer , and to glory in him , and to bless God for him , as the instrument of our chiefest peace ; you also tell him in the Dedication of your Key to Catholicks , that you are one who bless God for him , and who rejoyce in the present happiness of England , and concurre with the common hopes of yet greater Blessings under his Government , which there you pray for , and so subscribe your self his Faithful Subject . Now Sir , If you please , find out a Middle-word between Falshood and Flattery , and think to excuse your self by that , while I take leave to say , that such kind of Language , ( to one who in no sense could be accounted a lawfull Governour ) doth too rankly savour of both : Go if you please , and boast your self of your present Loyalty , and seem to take it ill as you pretend to do , [g] if any think otherwise of you , but still remember , that even you who now ( in that respect ) so much boast and exalt your self above your Brethren ) telling them , that [h] God in justice hath put them down ) did also say ( when you thought you might do it safely ) That you were satisfied in two things , First , That [ i ] God in Justice had put down the former Governours ( meaning the King and his Party ) for their Persecution and scorning of Piety . Secondly , That you thought your self bound to submit unto the present Government ( which was then in the hands of Rich. Cromwell ) as set over us by God , and that you would obey for conscience sake , and behave your self as a Loyal Subject towards them . Sir , you that professed your self to be so Loyal then , cannot in reason be supposed to be conscienciously Loyal now , and the least you can expect , is neither to be believed nor trusted . I have done , Sir , with my Defence of this Exception , and now if you please , charge me with Vntruth ; for affirming , You were as active as any , in the late War ; and deny if you can , the consequence I gathered from thence ; that , It became not you to blame the effects ; who gave such Rise and Encouragement to the Cause : I mean , unless you repent of the Cause ; which it is evident , you have not yet done ; and if I may not be believed in this Opinion of you , I doubt not but the Bishop of Worcester will ; who , for this very thing did formerly accuse you of Rebellion k From which charge , he that l defended you then , leaves you to acquit your self now as well as you can . And now , Sir , for a close of this , I should ask your pardon , for thus venturing to break the Act of Oblivion , but your Importunity did force me to it ; and I could not otherwise clear my self from your slanderous Imputation of Falshood , but by bringing Truth to light , and by stripping you of your Disguise ( under which , for so many years you have been masked and covered ) leave you naked and defenceless to the judgement and censure of every Impartial and Unprejudiced Reader ; and if any thing is written here , which you will be ashamed to read , and afraid to give an answer to , pray thank your self , who would not be quiet , nor let your Brethren alone , till you were thus brought forth to an open Discovery . Your mentioning , with so much scorn , the Doctrine of the Temporal Reign of Christ , which you , in derision , call the [b] Fifth-Monarchy-way , and your endeavouring to expose all that you think favour that Opinion , ( and in particular Mr. Brown ) is another Evidence , that you dare not look any Truth in the face , which brings present danger with it ; no , though formerly you were as earnest , and open an Asserter of it , as any : For not many years ago you told us , that [c] you were perfectly Neutral , as to the point of Christs Visible and Personal Reign upon Earth , and you did not know which way your Judgement did most incline ; But the Theocrotical Policy , or Divine Common-wealth ( which is the unquestionable Reign of Christ upon Earth . ) This , all Christians are agreed , may justly be sought , and the Temporal dignity of the Saints , which would undoubtedly much bless the VVorld . Sir , I have been very curious to enquire into the Doctrine of the Fifth Monarchy ; and most of my Converse is with those that do in Faith expect , and in Pationce wait for such a time ; and I never knew any of them ( however they are mis-represented ) carry the Notion farther than you have already done . It will become you therefore to enquire , what is your reall ground , why such , who still retain those Principles which you once laid down , should now be mentioned by you , with so much scorn and slighting : Till you have found out and declared a better Reason , pray give me leave to think this is the Chief ; because you dare not own any Hazardous & Persecuted Truth ; and you find it far easier ( in your Notional Divinity ) to recant all that formerly you were convinced of , than to bring your heart unto a willingness for Martyrdome ; and this alone , I take likewise to be the true Cause , why so weakly , and so unlike a Minister of the Gospel , you inveigh against [d] Sufferings ; For you have never yet experienced either the Comfort or the Cleansing of them ; and therefore venture rashly to speak evil of what you know not , and which I fear you have neither Courage nor Integrity enough to venture the Trial of . I speak it to your shame , since the Scripture often recommends Afflictions as the necessary Exercise of our Faith , and the chief matter of our Christian Joy and Triumph . But how ill soever you had used the Living , methinks you should have spared the Dead , and not disturbed the dust of my Fellow-Prisoner Mr. Powel , [e] by reproaching his memory with so abusive and disgraceful a mention of him , as if he were a False Prophet , and acted by a deluding spirit : For you lay to his charge , that many years ago , he prophesied of some things , which we do not yet see fulfilled : But , First , may not a Good man , nay a true Prophet , be sometimes mistaken ? Was not Samuel so , when he took Eliah to be the Lords Anointed ; was not Nathan deceived , when he encouraged David to build the Temple ? and did ever any yet suspect them to be False Prophets for that ? Secondly , may not many Prophets truly foretell things to come , and yet those things be a long time suspended and delayed because of the sins of a people ? Is not this condition to be understood in most Scripture Prophecies , which we find expressed in Zech. 6 15. And this shall come to pass , if you will diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God ? This and much more may be said in defence of that diligent and Faithful Servant of the Lord , whom I knew to be truly Religious and Worthy , and therefore thought it my duty to vindicate him from your Unchristian Calumny . And pardon me Sir , if I put you in mind ( for you seem to have forgot ) how in this the Lord favoured him , in that after much exercise of Affliction , he was taken away in Peace , and Buried in Honour ; when I fear such as you will be suffered to our live your own Fame , and your Memory shall dye before you . For God will resist the proud , and such as exalt themselves shall be Abased and Humbled ; Which Prophecy is true , whatever Mr. Powels was . I am sorry that I am forced to speak thus plainly , but the Pride of your heart , discovered by your Writings , is so apparent , that it cannot but be Known and Read of all men ; to go no farther for instances then your last book ; what needed you have told the World in Print , That [f] You chose once an Easter-day to communicate in a very populous Church in London ; purposely that it might be the farther known : Is not this like the Hypocrites , to blow a Trumpet before you , and to do your actions that you may be seen of men ? what other end could you have , in doing that so publickly then or in declaring it now , but a vain-glorious Hope , that doubting and unsatisfied Christians might look upon your Example , as their Pole-star , and accordingly direct their motions ? I look upon it also as a strange piece of Boasting , when you tell us that men of all judgments have written against you : As to reckon them up in your own words [g] some Infidells , divers Quakers , Papists , Antinomians , some Arminians , some Anti-Arminians , Anabaptists , Seperatists , Levellers , Diocesans , &c. What Sir , is it possible that men of these several perswasions , which you have expressed , have all written against you , and doth there remain yet a greater number concealed in the gulph of a bottomless & c. ? Is it indeed true , that you offend all , and please none ? and can you glory that you are counted the Ismael of the Age ? Pray Sir remember what became of him ; He was cast out of Abrahams house , that is , out of the Church of God , for Scorning , and when you do a little better consider of it , that those worthily famous and honoured men Mr. Rhotorford , Mr. Burges , Mr. Blake , Mr. Crandon ( besides some living of equal repute for learning and piety ) have all written against you , and solemnly warned others to beware of your books ( as containing much leaven of false and dangerous Doctrine in them ) did I say , You seriously consider this , you would be grieved for grieving them , and not put it in among your Triumphs , that you had provoked so many able and Worthy Pens to oppose and antidote the infection of your Writings : To conclude this Point ( for it is a sore place , and I would not handle it so roughly , but in order to healing ) when I said in one of my exceptions , that I feared you were not sound in the Doctrine of Iustification by Faith alone , without works ; instead of answering directly and satisfying my scruple ( which you might have done in few words ) you referr me to Five [h] or more Treatises , which you say you have written upon that Subject : and in another place [i] you tell me that you have written the better part of above Fifty Books against the Profane , the Jews , and the Mahumedans . ( I will not enquire to what purpose , for I am very confident none of those did ever read what you have written against them . ) But adde to these your several other Treatises , as about Baptism , Confirmation , Church Government , Commonwealth , &c. Your Books will in all amount to as many Volumes as Tostatus writ , concerning whom , ( and all such kind of Writers ) you once gave this true Character , ( though since you have most unhappily forgotten it , ) [k] I cannot but account all those Tostatus's impudently proud , who think the world should read no Bodies Works but theirs . Pray Sir , read this passage again , and compare it with what you have already writ , ( and what as I hear you do yet farther intend to write ; ) and then tell me in earnest what you think of your self ; for here , according to your own Words , [l] Evidence must decide the Case . I think Sir , I may say to you with every whit as much truth and candour , what you dis-ingeniously reply upon me , [m] I have no mind to make you odious , nor to open your sin to others ; but you have opened it to the world , and I must open it to you , if possibly you may repent : and therefore having said this to your self , ( that by setting before you some few of your many failings , you might be Humbled , and come to a more sober understanding of your self and way . ) I come now to speak something , and that very briefly , to the Question about Conformity , which hath occasioned all this heat betwixt us : and in the handling of this , I think I may also say , as you sometimes did [n] I approve not Tautologies , nor a tedious stile , nor the heaping up of useless matter and words ; which Rule in writing , though you forget to observe , yet I shall keep close to ; for Truth needs not many words to defend it . In the stating of this Question , you do your self grant so much , that you scarce leave any thing , to be either disputed or denyed by those whom you pretend with so much vehemency to oppose ; For , First , you grant [o] that we are not to have Communion with a Diocesan Church , as such , and that we are not to own Diocesan Bishops . Secondly , You allow that we are not to have Communion with Persecutors , nor with such as have consented to our Silencing , Thirdly , You affirm that we are not to communicate with Parish Churches only , nor with all of them , and particularly , not with such whose Pastours are , through insufficiency , Heresie , and Impiety , Intolerable . And this you tell us , was your own Practise , For , you say [p] you resolved , if you lived where was an intollerable Minister , you would not hear him , nor come near him , so as to encourage him in his undertaking of that Sacred Office. All this , and more of this nature ( which you assert ) being granted , I scarce see what it is that you contend for , or so earnestly declaim against ; since from these Grounds Separation at this day may easily be justified : For , First , every Parish Church is a Part of the Diocesan ; and if a Diocesan Church , as such , is not to be communicated with , then a Parish Church , as such , is to be seperated from ; since there is the same Reason of the Parts as of the Whole : And you must find out a new Logick , before you can prove , that if the Whole be Corrupt , any of the Parts are clean and fit for our Communion . Secondly , a Parish Minister is ( in that station and office ) but a Servant of the Diocesan Bishop , and therefore rightly called a Curate , and if we may not own , ( as you grant ) the Bishop , I think it will necessarily follow that his Substitute and Curate hath no reason to expect any Respect from us . We doe not use , in other cases , to Regard the Man , when we think it a duty to despise the Master . Thirdly , If Persecutors are not to be communicated with , nor such as have consented to our Silencing , which you also allow , ( though I could wish you had proved it better then by the obscure and disputable Example of Martin ) [q] then I think very few , if any of the Parish Ministers , but must even upon this account also be separated from ; since either by Open Consent , or else by an Vndoing and Pernicious silence , they have all made themselves guilty of that grievous sin : There being but little difference in the sight of God , between the persecuting of Brethren ourselves ; and ( by not sharply reproving it , ) seeming to approve of it in others . Lastly , admitting there are some Worthy and able men among the Parish Ministers ( which for my own part , I believe never a whit the more because you affirm it , ) yet this we must say , that their sin is great in submitting to so undue a way of entring into the Ministry ; and therefore we both forbear our selves , and warn all others not to hear them , because we cannot think our Lord Christ ever sent such to Preach in his Name , who directly and by a solemn Oath have Renounced their Christian liberty , under pretence of Preaching Christ ; and are indeed nothing else ( as to the whole discharge and exercise of their Office ) but Servants of men , which we have already fully learned from the Apostles , is altogether inconsistent with being Servants of Christ , Galatians 1.10 . 1 Corin. 7.23 . and therefore as such we cannot own them . For the question is not ( as you weakly and insignificantly word it . ) Whither [r] a Defective , Faulty , True Church may ordinarily ( or at least sometimes he joyned with ; but whither a defective faulty imposing Church is not to be separated from ; This we affirm ; Because , First , we know not how else to preserve our Christian Liberty ( which it is an indispensible duty to maintain ) but by separating from those who would unduly take it from us : Secondly , Being present where those things are used in the Worship of God , which God hath not commanded , This would involve us in the guilt and contagion of them ; nor doe we believe ( however we have your Word for the contrary ) the Lord will otherwise interpret it , since he hath so strictly charged us , To keep far from a false matter ; and not to partake in other mens sins : Lastly , whatever pretences may be used ( as it is easie to write Declamations ) for the keeping of Peace , yet ( to speak strictly and so as to satisfie conscience ) Peace is but ill bought , if we must purchase it at so dear a rate , as with the loss of Truth : And this Truth concerning the sole Sovereign power of our Lord Christ , in appointing all matters of his Worship ( He being the Lord of his House , and Faithful in all things as Moses , Heb. 5. ) this is a point so necessary to be maintained , and so utterly inconsistent with the supposing that any thing is to be Obtruded , which he hath not Commanded , that we dare not allow our selves in the practise of any thing , which may prejudice that Fundamental : And we judge we have sufficient warrant from what the Apostles did in a like case , Acts 15.24 . For if they reproved such as Preached up Circumcision , and other Legall Ceremonies , at that day , when as the Apostles had given them no such Commandement ; saying of them , that they subverted ( or spoiled ) the souls of the Disciples ; then may we affirm the like of those now , who , in things equally indefensible doe act with every whit as little authority , from whom upon that very account , we think it our duty to separate . I am not ignorant that you ( after many others , who have formerly much better pleaded this cause ) do insist upon two Arguments by which you labour to defend your irregular way of Communion . The first is , that in the Primitive Churches there were many Corruptions , which the Apostle writes against , but doth not advise any , because of them , to separate : But I answer , that in this Instance● as well as in your State , you do wholly ( I will not say ignorantly ) mistake the Question : For it is not Corruption or Errour , barely considered as such , that we account to be a sufficient ground of Separation ; but the imposing of that error with an high hand , and making a submission to it ( at least in our practice and outward observance ) the very condition of Communion , this , we say , is a thing which necessitates us to make a Separation , and that for the Reasons I have already urged ; To which I will adde only this , that , however the presenting our Bodies at a Worship which we doe not inwardly approve of , may render us excusable and justifie us among men , yet we are sure it will not in the sight of God , who hates hypocrisie in his service , and values every offering by the heart of him that brings it . I might content my self with urging thus much , but because the Corruptions that were in the first Churches , are often pleaded in this Case , I will therefore examine the argument drawn from them a little farther , and First , this is clear in Scripture , that our Lord Christ ( who was himself Holy and separated from sinners ) did never Call nor design his Church to be an impure mixt body of Holy and Vnholy , without any distinction blended and hudled up together ; but we have it frequently mentioned in Scripture , that he called his people out of the world , to be an Holy seperate people ; an habitation , and house for himself by his spirit to dwell in ; with many expressions to the same purpose , whereupon every one who names the Name of Christ , is solemnly commanded to depart from all unrighteousness . Secondly , though through the Corruption of men , and negligence of Church Officers ( for which they are blamed Rev. 2.14.20 . ) many Ungodly Prophane Formalists and Hypocrites , did ( and daily doe ) creep in , yet there is a strict command given to put such out of the Church 1 Cor. 5. 2 Thes . 3 , Rev. 2. And all are commanded to turn aside from them , 2 Tim. 3 , 5. Rom. 16.17 . which commands do strongly and convincingly imply , that if such are to be with drawn from , then if any Church who is admonished concerning them , shall still maintain , abet and countenance such ; that Church also is thereby defiled , and become unfit to be communicated with : For a little leaven leavens a whole lump , 2 Cor. 5.7 , and one sinner destroyes much good , Eccl. 9.18 . and many are defiled by the contagion of one , Heb. 12.15 . All which places show , that a Church , which after admonition and discovery of Offenders , will not use her authority in casting them out , doth partake of their sins , and becomes as guilty as they , and therein as unworthy of Communion , Lastly , which will fully answer the scruple , it is to be considered , that the Primitive Churches were setled by the Apostles , and constituted according to the divine pattern , having all the Ordinances of Christ , and true Officers , rightly established amongst them ; so that though many scandalous sins did break out , and were visible among some of the Members , yet a power was still retained in each Church for the keeping themselves pure , by casting out Offenders ; whereby they were kept to the Institution and Orders of Christ , without any universal Innovation or degenerating in those Essentials of Order as well as Doctrine , which they fell into in the ages after ; and when Anti-Christianism ( which was then working ) did manifestly shew it self not only in rejecting the Truth , 2 Thes . 2. but in imposing error , Rev. 13.16.17 . then was Separation necessary to be made ; which is implied in measuring , ( as it were circumscribing and enclosing ) the Altar-Worshippers , and casting out the others . Rev. 11.1.2 , and likewise in the sealed ones that had a mark upon their Foreheads ; whereby is meant some outward note of distinction from Anti-Christs Followers , Rev. 7.1.2 . and 14.1 . This necessity of Separation which began then , continues still ; since our Churches , though Reformed from Popery ▪ ( that is , from Anti-Christianisme ) in some points , yet are not restored unto the Primitive pattern and purity : so that more may be said for separation now ( when whole Churches are out of Order and Corrupt ) then could be at that time , when Corruption had infected only some particular members , for it is not , as I said before , Corruption barely , no nor Imposition barely , that is a sufficient ground for any to separate ( for where some lesser errors are held but not imposed , or where only Necessary things are imposed , we shall not forbear Communion ) but when Error is once imposed , and by a strong hand forcibly maintained , ( notwithstanding all admonitions and endeavours of Reformation ) here we must separate or consent to sin , which is our present case ; and till you draw your Parallel exact , and suit it in all respects to what it was before , your instances , from the practice of former times , are but impertinent and unconcluding . The second Argument that you do with much vehemency press , is the example of the Former Non-Conformists , who you say were all against separation , and why should we be wiser then they ? To which I answer in Learned and Judicious Mr. Hildershams words , and the rather because I find you quote his Name in favour of your opinion . First , It hath been an old trick of Hypocrites to pretend great Reverence and respect to the Servants of God that are dead , when their credit might serve to the disgrace of Gods servants that now live and are their Teachers : so did the Jews speak gloriously of Moses and the Prophets , Mat. 23.29 . Whereas on the other side , the Faithful are described by this Note , They embrace and are established in the present Truth , 2 Pet. 1.12 . that is in the truth that is now taught them . Secondly , admit that the Servants of God , whose judgement and practice these men do seem to stand so much upon , had been never so Learned and Godly men , yet we may not build our Concience upon the credit of any man , neither of them that have taught us heretofore , nor of them that teach us now , but only upon the Word of God : If any ( though far , inferiour to them in Piety and Learning ) shall bring you the word of God , the manifest word of God , against such or such an abuse ? and you say you will not receive it , because such a Learned and good man was of another mind , you sin in an high degree against God , for you oppose the credit of man to the Authority of Gods word , In this case , we must remember what the Apostle saith . Gal. 8 , 9. Thirdly , we are not to rest in the judgement and practise of those good men that have lived before us ; for as it is with the particular members of the Church , so it is with the whole Church , it must grow and encrease in grace and knowledge . Though Asa was a good King , and Reformed much in his first days , yet Jehosaphat Reformed more , 2 Chron. 17.6 . and Josiah went further , then either Jehosaphat or any other that had been before him , 2 Kings 23.25 . And whereas you mention the Holiness and Learning of those Non Conformists , thereby to deterr us from going beyond their Line & Measure , I may reply , in that same worthy Authors words — Though they were Holy and Learned Men , yet it may well be , that the Lord hath revealed that to his servants now , which they saw not , for the Lord hath oft done so ; David had more understanding than his Teachers had , Psal . 19.99 . and the Disciples of Christ , saw many truths , which many of the Prophets ( though they were it may be holier then they ) did not see , Luke 10.24 . Many points of Gods Truth are revealed now even to Babes , what the Patriarchs and Prophets , ( though Holy Men and highly in Gods favour ) saw not : He adviseth therefore , rest not so much on the Judgment , advice , and example of the best men , but examine them by the Scriptures , for good men have oft proved Satans instruments to deceive others , as Peters example misled Barnabas , Gal. 2.12.14 . Thus far , and much more to the same purpose saith that excellent Author , ( whose words because I thought they might be of weight to you , ) I chose to transcribe at large , rather then to say the same things in other words of mine own . To the same purpose Mr. Gee , when he was urged with the authority of Calvin , Bucer , Pareus , &c. who all give an other interpretation then that which he follows in his exposition of Rom. 13. Replyes thus , — The opinion or averment of man , ( even of the best for Learning and Piety , ) in a Case of Conscience , or in the enquiry , what is the sense of such and such a Scripture , or such a Divine Precept is not an Oracle neither , will it pass for such in any controversie . The truth is we are very prone to attribute some authority to it , and to urge it upon others , so far as we find it concurrent with our own perswasions , but who is he that will be prejudged or concluded by it , contrary to the opinion that he hath received , or in what he is otherwise doubtful ? The words of that Learned Man may be applyed to the present Case , for Sir , you know how much you have departed from the Doctrine of those Famous Non-Conformists in many the most material points of Religion , and therefore cannot justly be allowed ; in this , to make use of their Authority : It will I suppose be easily granted that it is a very improper thing for any to seem to magnifie so much the Opinion of those worthy men ( as to press it now upon their Brethren ) in the business of Ceremonies and Conformity , when they themselves refuse to follow them in their other more sound and substantial Doctrines . To give you a few Instances , First , The former Nonconformists held Armenianisme ( that is , the Doctrines of of Free-will in the things of God , of Vniversal Grace , and Vniversal Redemption ) to be so Fundamental and dangerous an Error ; that they have called it a Beelzebub-Error , and Another Gospel . But you do not only speak favourably of it , but also proudly tell us , that of you are very confident , a not one of many hundreds , who speak against Communion with Arminians , do understand what Arminianisme is ; As if the difference were either so small , that it was not worth the while to oppose it , or else so abstruse and difficult , that plain Christians could not easily come to know it . Truly Sir , I acknowledge my self the meanest of my brethren , and yet I think , who understands the necessity of being born again , and renewed by the Spirit of God , must needs understand his own Free will hath not the least power to receive the things of God , and whoever doth this , knows very well what Arminianisme is , though perhaps he may be ignorant of the Name , which is not at all material in the Controversie : and indeed I wonder you can so confidently plead for Communion with Arminians , and that with an &c. too ; when you formerly told us , That , in the points of Predestination , Redemption , Free-will , Effectual grace , Perseverance , and Assurance of Salvation ; the Jesuites and Arminians do teach the same Doctrine . Sir , I hope you do not intend to enlarge your Communion so far , as to take in the Iesuites also ; if you do , pray deal clearly with us , and tell us so , and do not delude us with an unlimited and untelligible etcetera . Secondly , The former Nonconformists did so fully hold that the Scripture was to be believed upon it's own authority and Testimony , that they all unanimously affirm , It is a dangerous thing not to rest in the authority of Scripture , not to count it , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . But you , Jesuite-like , for I am sorry ● cannot give it a milder term , are not afraid to say , The Scripture tells us not sufficiently and particularly which Books in it self are Canonical , b nor what various Readings are the right , nor whether every Text be brought to us incorrupted : So that in effect , you do resolve the credit of the Holy Scripture , into the Truth of Church-History ; which words are so contrary to the true Protestant Doctrine , so derogatory from the Self-evidencing Light , and Divine Authority of the VVord of God contained in the Scripture ; and so fully agreeing with the Doctrine of the Jesuites in this Point , that all which you have writ ( pretendedly for the Defence of the Scripture , when indeed you betray it ) is not able to make any tolerable satisfaction . What need I mention more , as that the Former Nonconformists thought there was no possibility of Salvation for the Papists , no more than for a Samaritan , or an Idolater : but you tell us , that a you confesse you affect not the Honour of that Orthodoxousness . And in one of your Books , if I am not mistaken in my Collections , you seem to affirm , at least strongly imply , that a man may be saved in any Religion , that lives morally , though he knows not Christ ; which is , as Mr. Hildersham calls it , a damnable conceit ; since it renders the whole mystery of Salvation by Christ alone , vain and ineffectual . Add to this , the Former Conformists said , The filth of Nature cannot be sufficiently spoken of ; nay , no Angel can sufficiently point out the mystery of sin , and filthiness of nature . But you advise us , to take beed , least in speaking against the corruption of Nature , we run into Excess : which are the very words in English , of Andradius the Jesuite in Latine , to whom the learned Chemnitius answers , as I do to you ; that whosoever thinks slightly of the silth of Natural corruption , must needs over-value himself , and undervalue the Grace of Christ . I shall conclude with mentioning one thing more ; I affirmed , that by Flesh you had told us was only meant the sensitive Appetite ; this you reply , is an untruth , and a meer fiction , b for you never said so . Sir you had need have a good memory ; for you have writ many Books , in which , as containing many words , there cannot want much sin and vanity ; and indeed had you meditated strictly upon a quarter of what you have writ , you could not be guilty of so strange forgetfulness : for in your Premonition to the Saints Rest , you have these very words , Many think that by Flesh is meant only In-dwelling sin ; when , alas ! it is the sensitive Appetite , that it chargeth us to subdue ; for which you quote Rom. 8.3 , 4 , 5. which of all the places , where the word Flesh is named , doth 〈◊〉 ●●vour your conceit : and indeed sir , that I may confess a secret you , this very Passage of yours , I looked upon as so conceited and singular , and many years ago it gave me so great offence , that I threw away your Book upon it , and never would read it over ; as not thinking it possible that one , who erred in the very entrance , in so plain a Truth , was able to instruct me in any thing that was worth my knowing . I believe many will think I concluded too rashly and hastily ; but I am much confirmed in that judgement of your Book , since a Person yet living , and one worthy of credit , acquainted me , that when the learned and judicious Mr. Herle had read that cried up Book of yours , he told him , It had been happy for the Church of God if your friends had never sent you to School . Mr. Cawdrey had the same opinion of it , and another person , as knowing in the mystery of Godliness as either of them , told a friend of mine , that notwithstanding the noise about you , you would end in flesh and bloud : which Prophesie , if you go on to write as you have done , will certainly be fulfilled . I know Sir , you have very angerly promised me ( as the Bishop of Worcester did you ) that you will make no reply a But you are so apt to forget your self in greater matters , and have such an itch to be in print , that I will not take your word : and therefore when you write next ( for I presume you cannot be silent ) I intreat only two things from you ; First , that you will be short , for I am quite tired out with your tedious multitude of words , and then , that you will be significant : I mean First , That you will not mistake the thing you write about , but labour clearly to understand the question . Do not ramble , and talk of Nature , as it is Pure , when you should write about Nature corrupted . Do not discourse about Free-will at large , b when you should only handle Free will in the things of God : and because many Professors of Cristianity are Ignorant and Injudicious , do not think that therefore you do well to call Christians , considered as Christians so . These are evident and apparent Sophismes , which abound in your last Treatise , and do discover that your Logick is every whit as ungrounded as your Divinity . Secondly , Pray take a little pains to expresse your sence in plain and intellegible Language ; and do not love to jumble absurd and insignificant Phrases together , as to say , c A defective , faulty , true Church : To mention d A Political , Spiritual , Consititutive Head. And do not think to excuse your self from writing of Nonsence , by saying you meant a thing [d] Objectively and not Subjectively I And do not make Philosophy Ridiculous , as you do when you tell us [e] That our acts of knowing exteriour things are , as Philosophers affirm , objectively organical , though not efficiently and formally . Sir I am sure no wise man talks thus , and it Philosophers do , it is time we left them , for they do not speak according to the common sense and reason of mankind , and it must be meerly their obscurity that makes them considerable . Lastly , when truth is to be examined , and the Nature of a thing strictly to be considered , doe not argue against it , because of some ill consequences , which you fancy will follow : This is a common practice of Papists , Socinians , and your beloved Friends the Arminians , whose steps you tread in , and therefore may justly be suspected to own their doctrines , and this ill temper you have discovered , as in other things , so in particular in what you desperately urge against the Scriptures being [f] a Perfect Rule ; which Foundation of Faith and Practice you labour to overthrow , by Tragically insisting upon the consequences that will follow , which is just to as much purpose , as if I should deny the Revelation of God , concerning Himself , his Son , his Decrees , &c. because I understand them not , and cannot reconcile them to that which I call reason ; Sir , This in the end will be found perfect Folly and Madness , and therefore pray leave it in time , least the Lord repove you , and you be found a Lyar. I have now done , and you may see Sir , by this brief taste , how easie it is for me to defend my self throughout my whole Antidote , but I do not see it will be worth my while ; for it is not a lessening of your Reputation , that I mainly aim at ; much less at the advancing of mine own upon the ruine of yours ; but I thought the Truth of Christ was worth my vindicating : And when I saw that your Name did stand in the way of it , and that your Suffering-Brethren had their Burthen made heavier , in that your hand helped to lay it on , I thought it my duty to reprove you , and to set your sin ( and error herein ) in order before you : And if ( after all this admonition ) you will still go on , and under pretence of Writing for Love , doe what you can to keep up a mixed , disorderly , persecuting , and Imperfect Church state , leaving us no hope nor possibility of Reformation ( unless it shall please God by some suddain and unexpected miracle to convert the whole Nation at once ) I must then look upon you as one of our greatest dividers and so much the more dangerous , as your pretensions outwardly are the more fair and plausible . The whole design therefore of this Letter , is , ( as to others ) to perswade all to look upon you , not only as a Fallible , but as a Mistaken man , whose Name and Authority is not fit to be urged when the appeal is made to Scripture : and likewise ( as to your self ) my end is , to do what I can to recover you unto the Right Primitive Spirit of Christianity ( if indeed you have as yet received it ) or at least to presse you to be looking after it ; and then I am you sure will ( with us ) contend earnestly for the Faith , and strive for Purity of Communion , as the only way to setled Peace . You will then make a vast difference between Vnavoidable Imperfections ( which attend us even in your best and most commanded Duties ) and unwarrantable ( because impos'd ) Corruption , which is all at present that we separate from ; and however our Rulers may deal with us for this ( who think their Laws are to be obeyed ) yet we could not but let you know , that from you we deserved better usage ; since you are in the same condemnation , and as much break the present Laws in some things , as we do in others . There is therefore one thing that I will confess my Error in ; it was my miscalling you Learned , Judicious , and Mortified Mr. Baxter . Sir pray pardon me this , for it is a great untruth , indeed the only one ( though you take no notice of it ) which you can justly charge me with ; I will promise not to offend in the like kind again , but yet remain , Sir , Ready to serve you in all Christian Offices of Love. Edw. Bagshaw Tuttle-street . first month , or March , 26 , 1671. A POSTSCRIPT . SIR , SInce the finishing of my Letter to you , I received the two following Papers , the one written by Mrs. — of Worcester , the other from my Brother Brown , whom you unhandsomly and untruly reflect upon in your last Treatise ; I intreat you to read what they say in defence of themselves , which I have taken liberty without their knowledge to send to you , that whatever you doe to me , yet to them you might not deny this just satisfaction , of making a Recantation for the unseemly abuses you have put upon them — Your words are these , I intreat you and the Reader to get and read a book published by Mr. Brown , ( as is uncontrouledly affirmed , who lately wrote against Mr. Tombes against the lawfulness of Communion in Parish Churches ) concerning the experiences and strange work of God on a Gentlewoman in Worcester , whom I will not name , because yet living , and God may recover her , but is there well known ; This Gentlewoman having been long vain , and a constant neglecter of publick worship , was suddenly moved to go into the Church while I was there Preaching on Rom , 6.21 . The very Text struck her to the heart ; but before the Sermon was done she could hardly forbear crying out in the Congregation : She went home a changed person , resolved for a holy life . But her affection or Passion being strong , and her Nature Tender , and her knowledge Small , she quickly thought that the Quakers lived strictlier then we , and fell in among them . At last perceiving them vilifie the Ministry and the Scripture , her heart smote her , and she forsook them , as speaking against that which by experience she had found to do her good ; and desiring to speak with me , who lived afarr off , opened thus much to me . But all these deep workings and troubles between the several wayes , did so affect her , that she fell into a very strong melancholy ; insomuch that she imposed such an abstinence from meat upon her self , that she was much consumed , and so debilitated as to keep her bed , and almost famished . Mr. Brown and others were her instructers , who were very zealous for the way called The Fifth Monarchy , and having instructed her in those opinions , published the whole story in Print , ( which else I would not have mentioned ) I shall say nothing of any thing which is otherwise known , but desire the Reader that doth but understand what Melancholy is , better than the Writers did , to read that book , and observe with sorrow and pity , what a number of plain effects of melancholy , as to thoughts , and Scriptures ; and Actions : are there ascribed to meer Temptations on one side , and to Gods unusual or notable operations on the other side ! Some Passages out of Mrs. — of Worcesters Letter to a Friend in London . Dear Brother , AS touching Mr. Baxter , I refer you to my Brother Browns Letter unto Mr. Bagshawe , with this intimation , that as it relates to my self , I am perfectly unconcerned ; it is a small matter for me to be judged of mans day ; yet I cannot but wonder that one of Mr. Baxters Profession should dare to open his mouth against the operations of the Holy Spirit in the Soul , the remembrance of which is still sweet to me , and causeth me to cry out , Oh! how exceeding excellent is thy loving kindness , thou God of grace , what was I poor silly Nothing , polluted dust , that thou shouldst chuse me , bring me to his Foot , give me to find shadow against the scorching beams under Christ , and fill me with joy and peace through believing . And if this be the effect of Melancholy ; I would tell Mr. Baxter , it is such an effect , as I must magnifie the Grace of the Lord for ever for . And this confirms me , that the Lord comforted and lifted up , my lost , forlorn , castdown , and almost overwhelmed soul , in that usual path , in which he walks , administring comfort to his poor benighted ones , viz. the sealing his love by his spirit in a word of promise , which I am sorry Mr. Baxter should be found deriding of . But God will vindicate the work he hath wrought , though men pour contempt upon it , unto whom I commit it : but that Brother Brown was the Author of that book , that I was suddenly moved to go to hear Mr. Baxter , that ought of his Sermon had any impression upon me ( which I could not attend to , because I was so terrified with the words of the Text , Rom. 6.21 . that I went away resolved upon a holy life ( when indeed I came into company , thinking thereby to ease and deliver my self from the trouble which had seized me , which I mention with self abhorrence and admiration of the rich Grace of God ) That Brother Browne instructed me in the Fifth Monarchy Principle ( whereas he then opposed it ) That I imposed abstinence upon my self as to meat ( when I would gladly have eaten but durst not , because I apprehended I had no right to the Creature , being out of Christ ) This is all False and Untrue , and I am astonished that Mr. Baxter should with so much confidence affirm these things ; The Lord Pardon and Humble him . Some Passages out of Mr. Brown's Letter . Dear Brother , I Have some time since perused Mr. Baxters two last Treatises , which ( to speak modestly ) give great Occasion to the adversaries of Truth and Purity , to reproach and blaspheme God and his People , and have caused great grief of heart to many that truly fear him ; and this is no more ( for the substance of it ) than some of Mr. Baxters own Disciples have suggested to me . In his last ( Entituled , A defence of the Principles of Love ) He severely chargeth you , but you need not be over solicitous , for those that know the complexion and temper of the man , who writes thus , will wait to see your defence , before they believe you guilty of so many gross Vntruths ; especially since I can prove Mr. Baxter ( even while he thus condemns you ) to be guilty himself of uttering many Falsities both of my self and of others . I will not conceive my self concern'd with what he speaks Part. 2. p. 31. touching his Dispute with Mr. Brown , An Army Chaplain ( which I never was ) about the Godhead of Christ [ which I ever owned . ] That Person was another of the same name , whom I never knew , and his Principles , so far as I have understood them , opposing the Doctrine of the Gospel , I utterly detest ; so that all wherein I may by any be supposed to be concerned , is , what he mentions , pag. 58 , 59. Part. 2 d. First , That I am the Author of that Treatise [ mentioned by him , as written against Mr. Tombe ] against the lawfulnesse of Communion with Parish Churches : this is more than Mr. Baxter or any of his Informers can prove : and were he able , yet I think his mentioning of it , when in that place , there is not the least occa Wsion for it , is scarce becoming those Principles of Love and Charity he is so great a pretender to . Whether I writ the Book or not , I conceive it not requisite to give him an account ; for I should be unwilling to trust one with a secret , who will , it seems , when the humor takes him , publish to the World , what he cannot , dares not , swear is true , although occasion be thereby given , to such as are no backward to lay hold upon every such opportunity , utterly to ruine the Person of whom he reports it . I shall only add , that , whoever the Author was , I see no cause to disown any thing considerable in that Book : and when Mr. Baxter shall undertake a through discussion of the Arguments contained in it , not like a Dictator , but as an humble modest Christian , I will either publickly Recant what I have now affirmed , or in meeknesse debate it with him , provided he doth more candidly represent Arguments , than he hath done many of yours , & particularly , that about Idolatry , in which you give the general sense of all the Protestants , almost , that have writ upon the second Command , who do universally reduce to it , as Forbidden there , whatever is added , or devised by men in the worship of God. So that how the present Conformises can be excused from some degree of Idolatry , remains to be better proved , than to call all those , that fear this of them Ignorant , Rash , and self-conceited . This in another would be Railing ; perhaps Mr. Baxter thinks it Rethorick , Religion I am sure it is not ; nor will it be accounted so by those that conceive of God , as Holy and Jealous , and therefore dare not join in any thing which he hath not commanded , lest he should charge folly and sin upon them for doing ignorantly they know not what . More may be said , but in this Point , I shall leave Mr. Baxter to you , and if you do not take notice of his perverting his Adversaries arguments , and imposing upon them a strange new sense of his own , if you do not reprove him for his vanity , in making men of straw , and then unmercifully fighting against them , as if he took a pleasure in demolishing the work of his own hands ; if you do not observe and call him to an account for this , you will much wrong your Cause , and deceive my expectation of you . To come more closely to my self , He informs us , that I am the Author or Publisher of a Book , concerning the Experiences and strange work of God , upon a Gentlewoman in Worcester , and that I am uncontrouledly affirmed so to be . Give me leave to tell you Sir , that I cannot but wonder at the unparallel'd confidence of the man ; should he be any longer suffered to take this liberty without controul , I might be supposed , for ought I see , to cumber the World with as many Books , ( & perhaps to as little purpose ) as some body else : For indeed Sir , in two lines , there are no lesse than two untruths . ( I may I hope use Mr. Baxters word ) published to the VVorld concerning me . The First , That I am the Author and Publisher of that Book , which is affirmed by him against the most notorious evidence in the VVorld to the contrary . The Author Mr. Timothy Jordain , a precious servant of the Lord , and now at rest with him , subscribed his Name to the Book , and in the Epistle prefixed , owns , and avows himself to be the Author and Publisher of it ; and all that I did , was ( being desired ) to write an Epistle , wherein I acquaint the Reader that I am not the Author of it , but only did joyn in Testimony to signifie what was Recorded in the ensuing Treatise was true . The second Vntruth is , That I am uncontrouledly affirmed so to be , when I believe Mr. Baxter hath never a second in the VVorld , that either will or can affirm it . As for the Book it self , and the matter of fact contained in it , I never yet met with any judicious , sober Christian , ( that hath seriously perused it ) who durst adventure to pronounce either of the whole , or any considerable part of it , that it was an effect of Melancholy . Sir , one of the great designs of the Devil at this day , seems to be to drive men into direct Atheism , ; and there are many too just complaints of its prodigious encrease in the Nation . Whether this decrying of experiences , this slighting the work of Gods Spirit in the soul , the crying out that these things are but the effects of Melancholy , be not the ready way to make all supernatural conversion derided , and the whole Mystery of Godliness contemned , I leave it with you to consider . That I was this Gentlewomans Instructer in the Fifth Monarchy Principle , and that I was very zealous for it , are two more untruths ; For I was neither zealous for that Principle , nor her Instructer ; but I did at that time ( ignorantly ) oppose her in it ; though indeed now it is my opinion , that there is a Glorious State of the Church yet to come ( before the last end of all things ) when all Oppression and Oppressors shall cease , and every thing of man shall be laid down in a subserviency io the interest of Christ , and the Kingdoms of the World shall become his ; which point I am ready to discourse with Mr. Baxter , when ever he shall think fit to doe it . He is also lamentably mistaken in the account he gives of the Lords dealing with the Gentlewoman , of which I shall give you a few remarks , He tells us — First , that she was suddainly moved to come to hear him Preach , whereas she went ( having been long sick after Child bearing ) in the accustomed formall manner that others were wont to do . Secondly , That she had such convictions from his Sermon ( for so he seems to intimate ) that she went home resolved for an holy Life ; whereas she heard little or nothing of his Sermon , it was the Reading of the Text , Rom. 6.21 . that struck her heart ; yet she wrestled against her convictions , and would gladly have got from under them , and for that end went into the Company of some friends , thinking to forget them . Thirdly , that she desired to speak with him is another untruth ( a Mistake is too soft a word ) For she was hardly prevailed with to go to a Neighbours house to discourse with him . Fourthly , that she did impose upon her self an Abstinence from Meat ; She would gladly have eaten , and attempted it several times , but being under the sence of her own vileness and unworthiness , supposing she had no interest in the Lord , and so no right to the Creature ( through the cunning of him that lyes in wait to destroy ) she durst not eat . Lastly , she never fell in so among the Quakers as to be one of them ; though it is true , through the Power of Temptation , she was somewhat enclined to them . But from them was marvellously recovered , as is intimated in the fore-mentioned Treatise ; and now she remains at as great a distance from them and their principles , as Master Baxter himself ; nay ( if I understand his principles ) at a far greater : being fixed in following after the Lord and his Teachings in and by the Scriptures : And I hope , and am perswaded , that , after all her shakings , tryals and temptations , God will for ever establish her here . Dear Brother , I am sorry that I have given you this trouble , but Love to the Truth , to the interest of the Lord , and to Mr. Baxters soul ( whom I pray the Lord to forgive and humble ) hath compelled me ; I leave it to your wisdom to make use of it , as you judge may be most conducing to those forementioned ends , &c. An Advertisement to the Christian Reader . IT will I believe easily pass for a Commendation of Mr. Baxter's Wit ( though but little of his Honesty ) that after he hath writ so much against both the King and Bishops , he hath yet such easie access now to the Licensers and Press , that he can Print Two books , before another can Publish a few Sheets in answer to One ; but his last book about the Sabbath , ( besides that it might have wholly been spared ( Dr. Owen having judiciously , and accurately handled that Question before him ) doth make so full a discovery of Mr. Baxters spirit , in pleading for Saints-days , ( that is , for Will-worship ) and in Atheistically arguing against the Divine and Self-evidencing Authority of the Holy Scripture , ( which he doth for many Pages together a ) that , henceforth I hope he will no longer be a Snare , but justly be Rejected of all , as one of the worst sort of Hereticks ; since under the Notion of being a Christian , and a Protestant , he doth with his utmost Industry and Cunning labour to overthrow our Foundation , in that he , puts the Credit of Scripture , upon the Truth of History , and denyes any Certainty , but what may be gathered from that ; which dangerous Doctrine I could not but warn thee , Christian Reader , as thou lovest thy Peace and Comfort , as well as the Truth of Christ , that thou wilt diligently beware of ; and I must leave it to thee to judge , whether that Conformity , which such a Person pleads for , is not justly to be suspected . Edw. Bagshaw . 3d. Month , or May 15 , 1671. Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A29066-e210 (a) Part 1. p. 99 , 100 , 101. (b) Pag. 2. p. 7. part 1. p. 60 , 61. (c) Par. 2. p. 10 , 11. p. 1. p. 26 , 27. (d) p. 486. (e) Holy Common-wealth , pa. 257 , 258. (f] pag. 374. last book part 2. pag. 140 , 141. [g] Part 1. pag. 26 , 27 [h] Cure pag. 257. Common-wealth p. 483 , 484. k Bish . of Worcest . Letter . l Animad versions on Bishop of Worc. Letter . [b] Part 2. p. 55.59.4.110 . [c] Holy Common-wealth , p. 221 , 222. [d] Pag. 73 , 74 , 75. part . 2 [e] Part 2 p. 60.74.80 . [f] Part 1 pag. 40. [g] part 1. pag. 26. [h] part ● p. 127. [i] part 2. p. 18. [k] Premonition to the Saints rest [l] part 2. pag , 25. [m] part 2. pag. 91. [n] Premonition to the Saints rest . [o] part 1. p. 8.9 , & 74 , 75. [p] part 1. p. 36. [q] part 1. p. 76 , [r] part 1. p. 78. Lecture 59 on John 4. Lecture 8 on John 4. a Part 1. p. 6 , 7. Preface to the 5 Disputations . b part 1. p. 100. Part 2. p. 35. a Part 2. p. 38. a Part. 2d . p. 145. b Part. 2d . p. 133. c Part. 1. pag. 78. d Part 1. pag. 8. [d] Part 1. p 36. [e] part 1. p. 52. [f] part 1. p. 99 , 100. Notes for div A29066-e6770 Part 2d . p. Notes for div A29066-e8290 a p. 60. to 69.