A just apologie for the church of Duckenfield in Cheshire against certain slanderous reports received by Mr. Edwards his overmuch credulite of what may tend to the reproach of those that differ from himselfe in judgement (though but concerning matters meerly of externall order, and things of inferior ally to the substantiall doctrines of faith, and manners) rashly and without further examination of the truth of them, (together with an overplus of his own censures, and uncharitable animadversions) divulged by himselfe in a !--- book of his, intituled, The third part of Gangræna / by Samuel Eaton, teacher & Timothy Taylor, pastour of the Church of God at Duckerfeild ; whereunto also is annexed a letter of a godly minister, Mr. Henry Rootes ... in vindication of himselfe against a sinister and dangerous (yet false and groundlesse) insinuation, contained in the copie of a letter out of Yorkshire, sent unto the aforesaid Mr. Edwards, and by him published to the kingdome. 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Eaton, Samuel, 1596?-1665. Taylor, Timothy, 1611 or 12-1681. [8], 27 p. Printed by M.S. for Henry Overton, and are to be sold at his shop ..., London : 1647. Reproduction of original in Cambridge University Library. eng Edwards, Thomas, 1599-1647. -- Gangraena. -- Part 3. Rootes, Henry. Church polity. Sects -- Great Britain -- Controversial literature. Great Britain -- Church history -- 17th century. A37635 R4168 (Wing E122). civilwar no A just apologie for the church of Duckenfeild in Cheshire: Against certain slanderous reports received by Mr. Edwards his overmuch creduliti Eaton, Samuel 1647 11065 25 5 0 0 0 0 27 C The rate of 27 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2006-10 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2006-10 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-10 Taryn Hakala Sampled and proofread 2007-10 Taryn Hakala Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A JUST APOLOGIE FOR THE CHURCH OF DUCKENFEILD IN CHESHIRE : Against certain slanderous Reports received by Mr. Edwards his overmuch credulitie of what may tend to the reproach of those that differ from himselfe in judgement ( though but concerning matters meerly of externall order , and things of inferior Alloy to the substantiall Doctrines of Faith , and Manners ) rashly and without further examination of the truth of them , ( together with an overplus of his own Censures , and uncharitable Animadversions ) divulged by himselfe in a late book of his , intituled , The third part of Gangraena . BY SAMUEL EATON , Teacher & TIMOTHY TAYLOR , Pastour of the Church of God at DUCKENFEILD . Whereunto also is annexed a Letter of a godly Minister , Mr Henry Rootes , Pastour of the Church of Sowerbie in Yorkshire , in vindication of himselfe against a sinister and dangerous ( yet false and groundlesse ) Insinuation , contained in the Copie of a Letter out of Yorkshire , sent unto the aforesaid Mr. Edwards , and by him published to the Kingdome . 2 Cor. 6. 8. By honour and dishonour , by evill report , and good report , as deceivers , and yet true . Luk. 21. 19. In your patience possesse yee your soules . Adeo satis Idoneus patientiae sequester Deus ▪ Si iniuriam deposueris , penes eum ultor est ; Si damnum , restitutor , si dolorem , medicus , &c. Tertul. LONDON ; Printed by M. S. for Henry Overton , and are to be sold at his Shop in Popes-head-Alley . 1647. TO THE CHRISTIAN READER ; Grace and Peace be multiplied . CHRISTIAN READER ; THe Apostle Paul exhorts Titus , to speake sound words in Doctrine , that cannot be condemned ; and there is a proportionable equitie , that all men ( Ministers especially ) should write and print sound words , that cannot be condemned . If Mr. Edwards had kept himselfe to this Rule , our labour at this time might have been spared . Our work in this Narrative , is to rectifie his errours . He hath led many from the truth , so farre as concernes Duckenfeild Church ( for saving that there is an Epistle of our brother Roots annexed , there is nothing els medled with in this Apologie ) and our undertaking is to reduce them to the truth . Should we suffer all to passe for truth , which he publisheth concerning us , wee should betray the truth , and our own innocency . These faults may be justly charged upon him from the way he takes of blazoning the supposed failings of all other men , that differ from him , though but in the most controverted , dim , and disputable points ; and instances may be given ( if need require ) in passages that relate to us , and our Church . First , He hath abroad in the Kingdome Factors that trade for him in the good names , and reputations of precious men , and orderly walking Churches , ( who are not inferiour to the very chiefest of his Presbyterians , whether men , or Churches , though they be nothing ) which they and he sell over to be mancipated to infamy and disgrace , for supposed crimes falsly suggested against them by himselfe , and his creatures . Secondly , He takes reports ( especially flowing ( as it is said ) from godly persons ) upon trust , and without any further examination , or inquisition after the truth of them , issues them abroad ( with a great measure of confidence ) into the Kingdome , as if so be , his supposed godly persons , were arrived at an absolute incapacitie of hearing an untruth , and when they have heard it , reporting it for a truth . Thirdly , He doth not consider that that malignant spirit , that in all preceding ages of the Church hath bent mens tongues for lies , and slanders , against the Saints of the most high God , is most industriously active at this day to render those men odious , whose Conversation imports strictnesse of a more then ordinary elevation in the wayes of God . So that it is no securitie against the perill of false witnesse-bearing against the people of God , to say , Such a godly man told me so ; especially when that that godly man was neither an eye , nor eare-witnesse of the thing , nor hath trac'd the report upward from man to man , to the first reporter , who had need to be godly , and an eye or eare-witnesse of the thing . Our selves can speake experimentally of the failings of divers Presbyterians formerly , whom we judged godly , that have taken up things against us by heare-say , for which they have seene cause afterwards to be ashamed ; which we desire rather to cover with the mantle of Brotherly love , then like flies to fall upon their sores , and unnecessarily to uncover their nakednesse , and rake in their infirmities , as Mr. Edwards professedly deales with us . Fourthly , Mr. Edwards runs the more desperate adventure , to split his reputation , and wound his Conscience upon the Innocency of traduced Saints , because he takes not onely the testimony of one ingaged party against the other , but even of the most precipitate , fiery spirits of that partie , the strength of whose phansie is enough to multiply a mole-hill of srailtie in the Saints , into a mountaine of obstinary ; yea , can make things that are not , appeare as though they were . And yet if the case were altered , Mr. Edwards possibly would thinke the Testimonies of twenty of those whom he calls Sectaries , incompetent to take away the good name of one godly Presbyterian . Fistly , The irregularitie of Mr. Edwards his proceeding , is the more inexcusable in this , That whereas there should be two or three witnesses for the confirmation of every matter , that is not of notorious Cognizance ; and whereas the accused ought to come face to face before the Accusers : Mr. Edwards publisheth things of a private nature , upon the bare report of some one man , who is not in the capacitie of being a competent witnesse in that matter whereof he is the relator . And so the good names of innocent , and some of them eminent persons in the Kingdome , come to be blasted by the misprision of his supercilious , and unhallowed pen . Instance pag. 167. in what is related concerning two Gentlemen , persons of great worth and honour . Sixtly , Adde to this , that the impatience of his zeale in defaming the servants of God , holds no correspondence with principles of common prudence . For who but Mr. Edwards , knowing that the Deacon of Duckingfeild , pag. 68. was speedily to be brought upon the Stage before the Civill power , would not have expected the issues of his aay of Audience , rather then by an hastie anticipation pre-judge ( as in his Marginall note he doth ) a person not yet heard nor condemned by the Civill State . And indeed a little patience ( comparatively to much ) might have served the turne . For not long after Mr. Thomas Smith , Bookseller of Manchester , [ who ( as we coneeive ) was both Mr. Edwards Intelligencer , and soone after the Deacons accuser ] had a faire , and free hearing , before the Committee against the Deacon . Yet the Committee found not him guiltie of the supposed knavery in couzening the State , the discovery whereof was prophecied in the Letter of August 3. 1646. published by Mr. Edwards , but dismissed him from their Board without any Censure . Would Mr. Smith have thought it well , and if he should have approved of it , yet wee could not have avoyded the regreet of our own Consciences , when he being nominated for an Elder of Manchester , and accusation upon accusation from parts nearer and more remote , were brought in against him , if wee should have writ up to London , that ere long Mr. Smiths knavery would be discovered , and such a one as he , is a fit man to be an Elder in a Presbyterian Church ; even then when the Businesse was depending , and unproved before the Triars ? Seventhly , Nor can it well be omitted , ( and as little justified ) that from one Act ( and that injuriously represented ) a judgement should be made upon a person ; a Gentleman of worth must passe under the name of a great Zelot for Independents , from the evidence of one false Instance , which is given in to prove it . Would Mr. Edwards be well pleased to have such measure measured unto himselfe againe , and that because there are some slanderous reports published in Mr. Edwards booke , therefore the whole booke is a booke of slanders ? Eightly and lastly , The scope and drift of Mr. Edwards is , to make the world beleeve , that such as those Sectaries ( so by him called ) are , whose personall failings he divulgeth , such are ( or at least in time are like to be ) all that are of that Sect respectively . Now if the Sectaries ( so called ) were baptized into the same uncharitable Spirit , and would whet their style against the personall faults of Presbyterians , with a desire to charge all upon the professors of that way , doubtlesse the volumes that might be written , would be far more voluminous then a compleat Decade of Gangraena's . As for thee ( Christian Reader ) wee hope we shall easily obtaine so much justice at thy hands , as not to be measured by Mr. Edwards reed ; But such as our Doctrine , manner of life , patience , peaceablenesse , painfulnesse , are , ( be they more or lesse ) such let us be in the Ballance of thy estimation . Wee are abundantly sensible of the growth and increase of Errours and Heresies in the Kingdome ; wee desire according to the measure of grace received , to pray against them , fast against them ; Wee labour in the course of our Ministry by preaching against them ; And as God gives us opportunitie in disputation , we labour to beat them downe ; And we trust God in his own time will dispel them . The premises are sufficient for thy premonition , not to take all for truth , that Mr. Edwards , or any other in this Calumniatory age , shall rashly and uncharitably broach against any godly man , whether of the Classicall or Congregationall way . But first to try and trace reports , importing scandall to the fountaines of them , their first Broachers ; By this meanes a great deale of uncharitable misprision will be prevented , and thou wilt have no occasion to mourne at the last . Wee remaine Thine , whilst thou art a Friend to Truth , SAMUEL EATON , TIMOTHY TAYLOR . A JUST APOLOGIE FOR THE CHURCH OF DUCKENFEILD . MAster Edwards amongst many other Letters , and Relations , which have been sent him from all parts of the Kingdome , hath received ( it seemes ) some from the Northerne parts , from Lancashire , and Cheshire : and in some of them there are passages that reflect upon the Church of Duckenfeild , and the Officers thereof , with reproach and scorne , with falshood and slander ; and where any truth is , it is with an injurious intent manifested . We shall direct to the Pages , transcribe the substance of the words , and make Answer thereto . In Pag. ●8 ▪ are these words ; Mr. Eaton , of whose activity to promote that way , ( that is , th●●ongregationall , which is the truely-so called Presbyteriall way ) I doubt not you have heard , hath been the great Apostle to promote their designe in these parts . Answ. It may be a great question whether scoffing or irrationalitie be the 〈◊〉 predominant in this invective charge ▪ For it is without all bottom , unlesse activitie ( which he onely mentions ) he the bottom of it . And then all the Clergie in Lancashire are great Apostles ; for he calls them Pag. 167. An Active Clergie , that is , in promoting the Presbyterian Designe . And this is all the reason Mr. Edwards can shew , of inserting Mr. Eatons Name among the Principall Independents and Sectaries in his Booke . But how comes it about , that Mr. Eaton is the great Apostle in this place , who Pag. 164. is but a Pastor or Teacher of the Church of Duckenfeild ? If Mr. Eaton be the grat Apostle , who are teh lesser ? wee had thought among the Apostles there had not been greater , and lesser . If he be the great Apostle , what , or who are they that have sent him ? They must doubtlesse be greater then Apostles ; for greater is he that doth send , then he that is sent . If he promote designes as an Apostle , then the designes are preaching of the Gospel up and downe , and gathering of Churches , &c. Now Apostolicall preaching of the Gospell in all places up and downe the Countrey , is a good designe , especially at this time , when there is such want of preaching . But this designe , Mr. Eaton could not heretofore , nor can at this day attend upon , being a prefixed Officer at Duckenfeild , as is acknowledged Pag. 164. And as for the designe of gathering Churches , ( which is an Apostles worke ) what one Church hath Mr. Eaton gathered ? True it is , that he , with many others , wearied out with the long want of some of Gods Ordinances , and with corruption in other of Gods Ordinances , did at length ( for their better spirituall accommodation ) joyne together in fellowship , that they might injoy all Gods Ordinances . Yet herein he no more gathered them , with whom he joyned , then they him . But be it that he promotes these designes , yet sithence these designes are of no worser import and contemplation then they are , neither they that sent him , ( if any such there be ) nor he that is sent , have cause to be ashamed . But his Activitie is great . And wherein appeares this his great Activitie , unlesse it be in entertaining now and then one call of many , to preach a Sermon abroad , as occasions will permit ? Or unlesse it be that in defence of the way he professeth , he answereth some of the many challenges Brethren make in opposition against it . In which also he is rarely ingaged alone , and lesse active then his opponents shew themselves to be . In pag. 68. the extract of a Letter written from the Northerne parts , speakes thus ; I shall hereafter give you a particular account of the Church of Duckenfeild . Answ. It had been safer for the Author of this Letter to look into his own heart , and see what is amisse there , that he may be able to give a particular account to God of all his wayes , when he shall be called thereto ; then to spend his time in observing Duckenfeild , and medling with account of things that concern him not . Is not this to be {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} a busi-body in other mens matters ; and if he suffer as such a one , what glory or comfort can he have at the last ? Notwithstanding let him be sure his account be just , and it will prove no disadvantage to Duckenfeild that he makes it . The Ruling Elder is a Sequestrator in Cheshire . Answ. If the Ruling Elder be an honest man , and Sequestratorship an honest imployment , we hope it is no disparagement to Duckenfeild Church , that their Ruling Elder is a Sequestrator . Their Deacon is a Sequestrator in Lancashire ; The Deacon I shall speedily being upon the Stage , and make a notable discovery of his knavery in cou 〈…〉 ening the State . Answ. As concerning the Deacon , we shall give a true relation of the carriage of that matter . M. Taylor preaching at Shrewsbury the last Summer , ( in the beginning of the Moneth of August , as he remembreth ▪ had discourse with a religious Gentleman ( a friend of his , and of the Classicall way for matter of Judgement ) concerning the different Church-ways , that are now matters of such hot digladiation amongst many in the Kingdome . The Gentleman by way of discourse told him , that there were some in the Church of Duckenfeild , as bad as were to be found in the Parish Assemblies , and named Laurence Owen , a Deacon of our Church , and referred Mr. Taylor for further satisfaction to Mr. Thomas Smith , Book-seller in Manchester , and to Thomas Hartley , for proofe of his dishonest dealing with the State . Mr. Taylor at his returne communicated this businesse to the Elders of the Church , and in a short time after wee both conferred with Thomas Hartley , and received from him a report that he was not satisfied that L. Owen had carried the matter well , and gave some Instances . Hereupon wee resolved , ( so soon as possibly we could get a convenient time , ) to call Laurence Owen before us , and to require an account of him concerning his Negotiation for the State : and to desire Mr. Smith , Thomas Hartley , and whomsoever els might fall under our Intelligence , as a person able to witnesse any thing materiall concerning L. Owen his proceeding , to give us the meeting . That if it might appeare that L. Owen had done any thing to the prejudice of the State , or peace of a good conscience , wee might use our best endeavours to bring him to the sight of his sinne , and repentance for it , and also to make due satisfaction to the State . But many importune occasions falling in , in that conjunction of time , deferred the execution of our determinations for a short time , till a fit season was by the good hand of providence opened unto us . But when wee were fully ripened by a universall conflux of all conce●●●ring requisites for the issuing of this businesse , ( which had not suffered the least delay , but that we had probable , and promising grounds of hope , that the charges against him were founded upon mistakes in his accusers ) wee resolved to bring it under examination , with a most requisite and impartiall endeavour of discovering ( so far as God should help us ) the whole truth . Now in this juncture of time , Mr. Smith had drawne up a charge , and brought it before the Committee of Lancashire , who upon a full , and impartiall hearing of the cause , did not find him guiltie of the things charged upon him , and so dismissed him from their Board , without any censure . And this was the issue of Mr. Smiths confidence that he should speedily discover the Knavery of the Deacon , in his first attempt . And though this businesse issuing before the Gentlemen , according to our former ( then present ) apprehensions , might have given reasonable satisfaction to us in point of the Deacons innocency ; yet because wee understood that Mr. Smith was not herewithall satisfied , wee resolved ( as unforestalled in point of the innocency of the accused by any thing that passed before the Gentlemen , or fell otherwise under our observation , ) to give Mr. Smith a full and faire hearing ; that so if he could make any reall discovery , wee might improve it to the glory of God , the States satisfaction , and our Brothers spirituall good : and accordingly desired Mr. Smith , when he was ripe for the purpose , to let us understand . After some weekes past , Mr. Smith sent a Declaration to Mr. Taylor , subscribed with his own hand , and the hands of George Jackson , and Tho : Hartley ; containing divers charges against L. O. Upon the receipt hereof , the Church assembled to fast and pray before God , to seek assistance of grace on the behalfe of the Brother that was afresh accused , that he might carry it candidly , and sincerely in his Answer , as in the presence of God , and be as ready to take shame to himselfe , if any thing were justly charged , as to stand upon the defence of his innocency , in things wherein his Conscience bore witnesse to the integritie of his Actions : as also that the Elders might be inabled to conceive aright of things , and to make report of them accordingly to the Church . The Dutie being ended , the severall Charges were drawne out of the Declaration [ the most materiall of them being the same ( as we have been informed ) that were agitated formerly before the Committee ] and L. O. required to make Answers to them : which accordingly he did . After we had thus heard both parties severally , wee desired to heare them joyntly , and that they might come face to face , for which purpose , Mr. Taylor writ a Letter to Mr. Smith , and his two friends , desiring them to give us the meeting at some convenient place , and to bring with them such persons as might give in evidence against L. O. concerning any thing contained in the Declaration , that might stand in need of further proofe . He also desired that Mr. Johnson of Ashton , and Mr. Angier of Denton ( two godly , and grave Ministers of the Classicall way ) might be present as witnesses of what passed on both sides . This desired meeting Mr. Smith and his two friends thought fit to decline for these two Reasons , as they pretended . First , That matters of fact were laid downe with that distinctnesse , and clearenesse in the Declaration , that they needed to adde no more words for the satisfaction of any ingenuous Reader . Secondly , ( and that by way of implication ) that wee were not authorized to take their Examination upon Oath . To which M. Taylor in his Letter to them answered , That our designe was ( according to our dutie ) to endeavour to bring our Brother to the sight of his sinne , and repentance for it , in case he should prove guiltie , according to the severall charges contained in the Declaration , or any of them . That this we could not doe , except wee could convince him . That we could not convince him , and upon conviction proceed against him , but by the proofe of two witnesses at the least , since he confidently denied divers things contained in the Declaration , and in his Answer avoyded the dint , and scope of the rest . That he desired to have his accusers come face to face , and that he might have libertie to Answer for himselfe : and that this Justice neither they , ( since they had laid a charge against him , nor wee ( if wee would carry it righteously a ) could deny him . That wee desired to know whether they did joyntly attest all , and every of the miscarriages charged in the Declaration , or severally . If not all joyntly , but some severally , then we desired to know which of the particulars were attested by one onely witnesse , and which by two or more , since we could not proceed upon a single testimony , but must desire further proofe . That L. O. had brought a Certificate b under the hand of a man beyond exception faithfull , ( who spake not by hearesay , but as an eye and eare witnesse , point-blank , contrary to one maine thing charged in the Declaration , and also another man ( that had great reason to know the state of the businesse to which he spake , attesting that which is contrary to the maine thing charged by them , as we should give them fully to understand , if they pleased to give us the meeting . That there was also one thing mentioned in the Declaration in generall termes , viz. certaine summes of money received that were not given in in his accounts , but no particulars specified , and we desired that the particulars might be given in , and so attested by themselves , or otherwise . That these things considered , they could not righteously deny us the meeting , notwithstanding the distinctnesse , and clearnesse in matter of fact pretended to be in their Declaration . And as for the second , it was answered in Mr. Taylors Letter aforesaid ; That if they did not judge it unfit to give in their accusation in their Declaration , though they did not look upon us as authorized to administer an Oath to them ; why might they not corroborate , and make out their accusation before us ( in things wherin there should be need of further light , ) though we were not in a capacitie to administer an Oath unto them ? These were the most material ▪ p ssages in Mr. Taylors Letter . Mr. Smiths Answer in the most considerable pertinent passages was ; That he would have appeared before us , if he had believed us invested with any lawfull power by God● to have taken his Examination ▪ That to comply with us in thi 〈…〉 way , would be a remedy worse then the disease . That if L. O. desired is accusers to come face to face , why according to his counsell had he not brought his Accusers before the Committee ? That he would not trouble himselfe with 〈◊〉 Certificate he 〈…〉 ve , or from whom procured , since he 〈…〉 to make out the maine particulars of his 〈…〉 wn Accounts and Confession and by sufficient 〈…〉 ony upon Oath ▪ That he 〈…〉 not the Declaration to one Church , nor in any of his Letters had acknowledged Mr. Taylor a Minister . That if we desired a meeting in a Christian way , and not in a Church-way , and pleased to let Manchester be the place , he would meet us , and endeavour to ingage his two friends , and such other Witnesses as should be necessary . That for other particulars in the Letter , ( i. e. Whether they did attest the things charged in the Declaration severally , or joyntly , and if not all joyntly , but some severally , then which were attested by one Witnesse , and which by two or more ) Wherein we desired satisfaction , he conceived it would be fitter to give in account to the Committee for Sequestration then to us . To which Mr. Taylor replyed , That whether he acknowledged the Church of Duckenfield a Church , the Elders a Presbyteris , or himselfe a Minister , neither the one , nor the other , nor himselfe did regard . For with them it was a small thing to be judged of him , or of mans judgement . To their own Master they must stand or fall . That the scope of this desired meeting ( on our part ) was not to steale from him an acknowledgement of the truth of our Church , or Ministries , but an improvement of it to this end , that our Brother might be healed in his Conscience , if he had done any iniquitie , and in his reputation ( so far as in us lay ) if none of those things whereof he was accused were found in him . And forasmuch as a meeting of them in the capacitie of Christians , would be of equivolent conducency to the attainment of our end , wee should as willingly meet them under that Notion , as in the capacitie of a Presbytery . This Answer being thus returned , we were in plenary expectation , that this businesse would speedily be issued one way or other . But though we condescended to meet Mr. Smith upon his own termes , yet in his Answer to Mr. Taylor , he totally ( contrary to his own ingagement , and promise under his own hand , ) refused to meet us , and not onely so , but expressed himselfe resolved to forbeare all further intercourse with Mr. Taylor in writing about this matter . The reason alledged by him of his refusall to meet us , was , That he was inhibited by the Committee of Accounts , who were resolved to take the full examination of the businesse themselves , conceiving that our private debates , would no way advantage the publick , and might prejudice them in their proceedings . Assuring us that if we would have but a little patience , things would be discovered to our full satisfaction , out of the examination taken upon Oath . When we were thus deserted by Mr. Smith , and his two confederate friends , refusing to tell us which of the charges were attested by one onely witnesse , and which by two or more , or to give any particulars attested where the charge was generall , refusing also to give us the meeting for the making out of his charge , where it needed proofe , viz. in such things , whereof he , and his two friends , were onely the relators , and accusers , but could not possibly be the attestors or witnesses : When wee were thus deserted , ( wee say ) yet wee left no stone unmoved , further to informe our selves concerning this businesse . And having notice that L. O. was to come to his Answer before the Committee of Accounts for Lancashire , upon Tuesday the second of Febr. 1646. ( to our best remembrance ) in Manchester : Wee both came thither , and sent to the Gen Gentlemen of that Committee , to desire libertie that wee might sit by and heare what passed that day for our further satisfaction . But this libertie was denied us by the Gentlemen at that time . After this Mr. Taylor having intelligence of the meeting of the Committee upon a Tuesday , came to Manchester to desire a Copie of L. O. his charge , the better to enable them to discover the truth of this matter . But after he had come twice or thrice to the place where usually they sate , he was informed , that the Countrey people came not in , and so they would not sit that day , and so lost his labour at that time . After this he applied himselfe to one of them particularly , expressing the desire that himselfe , and his Brethren had to be throughly possessed of the state of that businesse , and that it would be a very great courtesie to us , if wee might but have a Copie of the Depositions . The Gentleman answered , that it was resolved at their Board , that L. O. should not onely be allowed Breviates , but also Copies at large of the Depositions , and there was but onely one thing undetermined , and that was , whether since all the Examinations were not taken , he should have the Depositions piece meale , or the whole together . Mr. Taylor went away well satisfied in the candor , and impartialitie of the Gentlemens proceedings in that matter . And so wee hope that in due time we shall enjoy the advantage of those Depositions , to enable us to make a Judgement of the cause , and till then wee shall suspend our thoughts and determinations about that matter . Onely this wee cannot but take notice of ; That Mr. Smith after some Depositions were taken , before L. O ▪ had answered for himselfe , ( for that is not yet done ) or the Gentlemen had passed any Censure against him , ( which also is not yet done ) he writ up to a Gentleman a friend of his in London ; That the Deacon of Duckenfield his knavery is proved before the Committee upon Oath , and be turned out of his place . His Letter bore date , Jan. 30. 1646. Who reading this Letter , would not conclude , that the Committee , after a full hearing of both sides , had found L. O. guiltie ? and for his guilt ( or knavery , to speake in Mr. Smiths Dialect ) had turned him out of his place ? and so his friend in London took it up . Whereas the truth is , the Examinations are not yet all taken , neither to this day of our present writing , hath L. O. a Copie of any one Deposition , nor have the Committee of Accounts passed any Censure at all against him , much lesse put him out of his place . But the Committee of the Countie to ease the publick charge , did diminish the number of the Agents for Sequestration , and ( without any Character of disgrace at all ) did suspend him from the execution of his place ; as they did also many other persons of unspotted side litie to the State . A Copie of which Suspension is as followeth . At the Committee , January 15. 1646. FOr as much as by reason of the many and great Sequestrators within this County , which have lately been suspended , and taken off , by the compositions at Goldsmiths-Hall : this Committee doe conceive it necessary to reduce the Agents employed in the Sequestrations in the severall limits , and divisions , hereafter particularly expressed ; viz. Oliver Edge in Manchester divisiou : Isaack Dehoo , in Middleton division : Richard Bradshaw , in Bolton division : William Kindsly and William Parr , in the Parishes of Warrington , Winwick , Wiggan & Leigh ; and Peter Ambrose , and John Case in the remainder of the hundred of Derby , William Eccleston and Thomas Jackson , for ●●yland hundred : Charles Gregory , and John Haworth , in Blackhurne hundred : James Smith , Richard Whitehead , and William Audeland , in Amundernesse hundred : and Thomas Towlinson , Thomas Gardner , Adam Sands , and John Sawry , in Lonisdale hundred . And that all other Agents employed in the Sequestrations in this Countie , shall from and after the first day of March next , suspend and forbeare the execution of their places or employments as Agents . And in the meane time they are to perfect their accounts , and deliver the same to Mr. Okey upon such penalties as are imposed by the Ordinance of Parliament . And the Collectors for sequestrations in Lonisdale hundred are from hence forward to forbeare the execution of their employments . And the Agents of that hundred are to performe the same accordingly . J. Bradshawe . John Starkie . Thomas Birche . Robert Cunliffe . William Knipe . N. Rigbie . Vera Copia Examinat . Per me Oliver Edge . And yet even since that time , that Committee that put him out , hath put him in againe ; which doubtlesse they would never have done , had they judged him unfaithfull to the State . A Copie of which order for re-execution of his place is as followeth . At the Committee , March 4. 1646. IT is ordered , that William Kindsly , William Parr , and John Hampson , shall be employed for the Sequestration in the Parishes of Warrington , Winwicke , Leygh , and Wiggan , and that they shall have one Collector to assist them . And that Richard Bradshaw shall act as Agent for Sequestrations in the Parishes of Bolton , Deane , Bury , and Ratliffe , and that he shall have one Collector for his assistance therein ; And that Isaac Dehoo , and Edward Dutton shall be agents in the Parishes of Ashton under line , Ouldham , Middleton , and Rachdale , and one Collector to assist them . And that Oliver Edge , and Laurence Owen , shall be agents in the Parishes of Manchester , Eccles , Drestwich , and Flixton , and that the parties aforenamed , shall doe , execute , and performe all things pertaining to that employment , as by Ordinance of Parliament is appointed . And that for their care and paines to be taken therein , they shall all of them receive the usuall salarie , and pay , as hath been accustomably used to have been allowed , and paid to others of the like employment : saving that there shall be allowed to Mr. Dutton , and Mr. Dehoo , the weekly pay of twenty-foure shillings , onely untill further order . J. Bradshawe . John Starkie . Thomas Birche . N. Rigbie . H. Eleetwood . Vera Copia Examinat . Per me Oliver Edge . Farre be it from us , to bring any rayling accusation against Mr. Smith , but let the tree be judged by its fruits , the man by his actions . As for Laurence Owen , and his businesse , we shall leave it in the middle , and neither cleare him , nor condemne him , ( further then matters of fact ▪ reported in this Narrative are of a tendency one way or other ) till the businesse be issued before the Committee of Accounts . Onely hereby it doth appeare , that the Church , and the Elders , have laboured in some good measure to doe their duty . Now we passe to the prodigious Story of the invisible DRUMME . In pag. 164. there is the story of a Drumme , and Mr. Edwards makes a godly Minister of Cheshire to be the reporter of it to him , but his name is concealed ; wee may not know him , yet we may aske Mr. Edwards whether the Minister were an eye or eare witnesse of it ? If he were not , nor yet asserted so much to Mr. Edwards , how comes it that Mr. Edwards saith in his Preface ; For other Relations ( alludeing to relations of fact ) I have them from such knowne godly Ministers , and Christians , being eare and eye witnesse thereof . This will be found a monstrous untruth in Mr. Edwards : However , because there was no such Minister , an eare , or eye-witnesse of this matter , it will be found a loud lye betwixt them , upon which of them soever it will fall . But because there is great Enquiry made in some parts of the Kingdome about this matter , wee thinke it necessary for the satisfaction of all that would be informed in the truth of it , to give a briefe relation of it , as it was at Duckenfeild , and afterwards to manifest what a Bundell of untruths were knit up together in the story , as it is represented to the Kingdome . And for the truth of what we say , wee shall appeale to many impartiall Auditors , who ( as they sometimes repaire to the Chappell ) so they were eare and eye-witnesse of the whole matter that very day . Their Testimony ( they being neither Members of our Church , nor of our opinion ) wee hope will currantly passe with all rationall men . Which is as followeth . Upon one Lords day , while Mr. Eaton was preaching in Duckenfeild-Chappell , there was the noyse of Rapping or Striking upon one of the Pewes or Seates in the Chappell , and ( they being made of thin Wainscoate , and standing hollow from any wall ) the sound was the greater , but continued not long . Upon the first hearing of it , Mr. Eaton turned his eare towards the place whence he conceived the sound came , and after he had finished the sentence he was speaking , he made a short pause , as his manner hath often been to doe , and the noyse immediately ceased ; and he began againe to speake , and so continued to the end , both of Prayer and Sermon , as at other times , without any further interruption . In the place , whence the noyse proceeded , there was a dogge which lay under the Seate , and it was then , and still is supposed , that the dogge in Scratching of his eare , struck upon the Wainscoate with his foote , which in so little a place as Duckenfeild Chappell , might well cause as great a noyse , as was there heard : But before it could certainly be knowne what caused it , the noyse was ended , and the dogge was immediately put forth from the seate upon it . In witnesse to the truth of this we set to our hands . Robert Duckenfeild . William Bardsley . George Hurst . Henry Aritage . Henry Hurst . John Taylor . William Hampson . Thomas Ouldham . Joseph Ashton . William Aritage . Joseph Andrew . Having thus brought the truth to light , the untruths , that have been most maliciously and unrighteously forged upon it , will more easily be manifest to all mens eyes . First , That the noyse was like the beating of a March upon a Drumme . Secondly , That the noyse came in at the doores , and passed up the Isle , and so compassed about the Chappell . Thirdly , That it interrupted Mr. Eaton , in such manner , that it caused him to desist from preaching , and to betake himselfe to prayer . Fourthly , That at length ( the noyse continuing so long ) it caused the dissolution of the Assembly , and forced all to flee from the Chappell . These are foure desperate malicious untruths , by whomsoever first devised , and each untruth is more horrid and wicked then other . Whereas Mr. Edwards doth Comment upon it , and to make it the more remarkeable , would have it observed , that this was the first visible framed Independant Church that was set up in England , and before the Apologists came from Holland , &c. Answ. Wee answer , visible it hath been from the first day it was a Church , for wee have carried all things publickly in the face of the world , to prevent the many foule aspersions which have been wont to be cast upon domestick and clandestine meetings ; that with Christ wee might be able to say to all malicious false witnesse bearers , wee speake openly daily , in secret have wee said nothing , if therefore wee have done evill , beare witnesse of the evill , if not , why smile you us ca●s●esly ? But whether we were visible , and framed before the Apologists came from Holland , ( seeing that it is not yet full three yeares since the Constitution of our Church , and little above two yeares since it was compleated with Officers , ) let Mr. Edwards himselfe ( who knowes the time of their coming from Holland ) more considerately compute : and finding it false , ( as we are confident he will ) let him retract so bold an assertion . The Conclusions which Mr. Edwards builds upon it , are foolish , cruell , and absurd , as may appeare from what hath been presented in the Premisses ; And let it be considered , whether he hath not dipped his pen deeply in Bloud , while he would prophesie what should become of the Independants ? and whether he hath not shewed himselfe a Bloudy man , and hath already in his heart split a great deale of innocent Bloud : As for us , the prayers that wee have put up day by day in places where we preach , for peace betwixt us and our Brethren of Scotland , will cleare us that we are not the men he chargeth us to be : And wee commit it to God to have our innocency cleared to all mens Consciences in his time . In the Interim , wee are contented that those foule and hatefull Charges , that Mr. Edwards hath made against us , may passe with the world upon such evidence , as they are presented , and that they may be received and credited upon those grounds upon which they are built , which are most impudent falsities , viz. For [ certainly , and assuredly , ] as there was a Drumme heard , beating a March in Duckenfeild Chappell , so [ undoubtedly ] doe the Independants delight in warre . Againe , [ so surely , and unquestionably ] as the beating of this Drumme , drove us out from the Chappell , and brake up our meeting , so [ certainly and infallibly ] shall the warre which wee have sought , overthrow all our opinions , and meetings , and cast us out of England , as an abominable branch for ever : And so [ infallibly ] shall some of our heads be served up by the Presbyterians , and put into Bloud , as King Cyrus his head was by Tomyris . In pag. 166. and 167. there is a Letter , in which the Sectaries are charged to have promoted a Petition for toleration , the members of Duckenfeild to have framed it , the subscribers to be Seekers , Soule-sleepers , Anabaptists , &c. And amongst others , one common Drunken Minister : It is styled , The Petition of the peaceable and well-affected , who desire Liberty of Conscience , as was promised by the House of Commons in their Declaration . Answ. Truth it is , there was a Petition on foote , both in Cheshire , and Lancashire : The fiercenesse of some Presbyterians in their Petitions in both Counties against their Brethren ( who would have lived peaceably by them ) was the cause of it . It was not for Toleration , but against violence , where moderation and forbearing ought to be : It carried no such Title , as the Letter imports . Some Presbyterians were at the framing of it with Independants ; many Presbyterians employed in the promoting of it . The greater part of the Subscribers were Presbyterians ; the Minister that is said to be a Common Drunkard , and yet signed it , is one who is entertained by a very godly People in Lancashire , who have spoken very hopefully of him to one of us . However it prove , a Classicall man he is , or was , a little after he had subscribed it , and therefore not for the honour of the Informer , to mention him as a Drunkard . If any young Schollar which subscribed it , said he would defend Independency with his Bloud : the speech was rash , but may admit of as favourable a construction , as that somewhat like expression of a Presbyterian , who said , He would burne at a Stake , before he would reade the House of Commons Declaration of the 17th of Aprill . But how many untruths have been written in these Informations given in about this Petition , may be worth the observation of the considerate Reader . In this Extract also some Gentlemen of noble Qualitie , are most unworthily and falsly charged ; And though they be not nominated , yet being it is notoriously known who are intended , the injury is not the lesse , but the greater ; for they might vindicate themselves from such aspersions had they been nominally mentioned . The one of them is said to be become a great Zealot for Independants , for no other reason , but because he is not causlesly transported , with that rage and fury against them , as the Author of this Letter is , and many other of the Pre byterians are in that County ; That he threatned any godly Minister to make their places too hot for denying their Pulpits to Mr. Eaton , is most calumniously asserted against so honourable a person . The one of us was an eye and eare witnesse , when this man ( not a godly as it is said ) but an unworthy scandalous Minister behaved himselfe insolently and audaciously against this Gentleman ; and yet he bore it with remarkable patience , onely told him his own unworthy intemperate offensive carriage in his function , might ere long be brought against him , to cast him out . The other Gentleman is said to have incouraged Sectaries , discouraged and borne downe the Orthodox well affected Gentlemen and Ministers , that they could never to this day , get any thing done against them . Answ. But this is a most ingratefull accusation against so deserving a Gentleman , who hath done his Countrey , and the Kingdome , such noble service , and it is full of malicious slander . For , first ; The persons that he is said to have incouraged , are knowne to be as godly and as Orthodox ( Independency excepted , which in point of Oxthodoxnesse is under doubtfull disputation ) as any other . And what hath his incouraging been , but his entreating them to take their Turnes in preaching with others : which service also the Parliament hath required from some of their judgement . Secondly , What Instance can be given of any one Orthodox Gentleman , or Minister , that he hath discouraged and borne downe ? Thirdly , When were there ever any attempts made , and set afoote by any of the Gentlemen or Minister against such person , and he opposed them therein , and ingaged himselfe for the other party ? if none of these , then is he unworthily dealt with . And let it be observed , that whereas there is an implication in his words of a forwardnesse among the Gentlemen and Ministers to suppresse Independency , there is an untruth closely wrapped up in it ; for no such thing hath appeared from the Gentlemen , nor generally from the Ministers . It is also considerable , how to usher in , what ( by way of defamation ) he would have the world to take notice of concerning this Gentleman , he takes upon him to discover the state of Cheshire , and therein his own horrid apprehensions of the Independents , ( for he instanceth onely in them ) and he compares them ( by way of implication ) to some hideous devouring Monster , and all that are taken with them he resembles to a miserable prey ; as if Independency were mortiferous and deadly to all the imbracers of it , poysonous and destructive to mens soules . It is of sad consideration to thinke unto what an unjudiciousnesse of mind , and to what moastrous conceptions men are left , through want of charity . And then to confirme what he had asserted of Cheshire , he strengthens it with a notorious untruth ; There are ( saith he ) two or three Independent Churches , set up by them already , and they are setting up two or three more ; the latter part of this relation is totally false . Having done with Cheshire , he proceeds to lay his defaming pen , upon some Parliament-Members , and delivers himselfe in such language , as if some abominable thing might be laid to their charge , which it would be lesse safe for men to mention , then to blaspheme all the persons in the Trinity ; And by and by he addes words , which reflects upon the whole Assembly of Parliament : His Expressions are these ; The suffering of the Church of God to be rent and torne in pieces by heresies , schismes , and divisions , the retarding reliefe for poore bleeding Ireland , the grieving and sadding the hearts of our Brethren of Scotland , &c. The words need no Comment upon them who can permit and suffer ought , which the Parliament will inhibit , and so of the rest it may be said ; therefore the Parliament is struck at , but most unjustly ; For , how they have carried it in all these things , is abundantly evidenced to all that will open their eyes . There are other passages in these very Letters , and in other Letters which wee have read , which reflect upon some Independent Churches in these parts , and wee are able to contradict those things , wherewith they , and their Officers are aspersed , and to declare the falsitie of them . And if we conceived , that themselves would be silent , we should thinke our selves bound to say somewhat ; But it is probable , the sense of injuries done them , will lie upon them , as well as upon us , and put them also upon vindication of themselves in due time . Wee therefore shall rest satisfied in pleading our own innocercy , and shall intreat the Impartiall Reader , to consider with what dishonest and deceitfull stuffe , both Relations and Letters are filled , which will not abide Tryall . Our request to God shall be , that he would teach them , ( who thinke they doe God good service , in beating and baiting their Brethren , ) more love , candidnesse , and ingenuity in all their relations of others , and all those who are the subjects of all their Exclamations and oppositions , more innocency , and integritie in all their demeanor , that thence it may come to passe , that all that would accuse their good conversation , may be ashamed . The Copie of a Letter from Mr. Henry Rootes , Pastor of the Church of Sowerbie in Yorkshire , in Vindication of himselfe against a sinister and dangerous , yet false and groundlesse insinuation , conteined in the Copie of a Letter out of Yorkshire , divulged by Mr. Edwards in the third part of Gangranna . pag. 69. To his loving Brethren , Mr. Eaton or Mr. Taylor , these be presented . Dearely beloved Brethren ; HAving received Intelligence from my Brother Taylor , of your purpose of answering some slanders of Mr. Edwards , I desire to give you a true and faithfull accompt of what I delivered in that Sermon , which is toucht upon in that Letter of James Robinsons , which is Printed , and of the unchristian dealing in that particular . First , I exhorted all godly men to joyne themselves to some visible Church , if they have opportunity . I explained my selfe , I say to some visible Church ; not this or that , but some , I say , if they have opportunitie ; for if God take away their opportunitie , they must wait Gods time : These Cautions premised : these Motives were added ; First , Whosoever joynes not to some , sinneth , Heb. 10. 25. Jude ver. 19. Secondly , God will punish such , Zach. 14. 17 , 18 , 19. Secondly , I exhorted all godly men , being joyned to some visible Church , to strive to walke in some neernesse of Communion with that Church : as , 1. In love ; 2. Peace ; 3. Watchfulnesse ; 4. Christian toleration of Infirmities ; 5. Seeking one anothers welfare ; 6. Defending one another from common enemies , Gen. 14. 14. Act. 7. 24. Act. 9. 24 , 25. Where you may see a mistake in the Relator of this last Quotation ; this is the real truth , as I can produce mine own notes , and skores of Witnesses to atrest the same . First , Observe that this relation which now is printed , was carried on the Sabbath day to another Chappell , a mile distant , and there written downe in all hast , and the next morning posted away to Manchester , and that week to Yorke : spread fifty miles distant in a few dayes : the next weeke I hearing of it , both from Yorke and Manchester , I took occasion to speake with Mr. Hollingworth about it , who said he had seene such a Letter , and I related unto him mine own Expressions , and sense , who said after he heard me , that I had a deale of wrong done unto me ; I desired to know the party that did write the Letter , that I might vindicate my selfe ; but he desired to be forborne in that ; I intreated him then to doe mee that Brotherly Office , as to deale with the party himselfe ; who promised he would , yet after all this , the Letter is sent to London , and printed . Secondly , The next Lords day after I heard of this , I publickly before all the Congregation , related what I had heard was written to Yorke and Manchester , ( the writer being present ) I then desired to repeate what I had delivered , and did so ; and shewed before all , my sense , that I meant it of the Common enemy of the Kingdome , ( we being at that time imbroyled in Civill warre , ) and I added , That I was so farre from judging it lawfull , for the Congregationall men to take up Armes against the Presbyterians , that I held it unlawfull for any private man to take up Armes , except he was backed by Publick Authoritie . Yea , I thought this warre , now in being , could not be justified , but that it hath the Authoritie of the State to mannage it . Thirdly , diverse weekes after this , ( learning who was the Writer of this Letter ) I dealt with him about it before one of his intimate friends , Paul Greenwood , shewing him how unchristianly he had dealt with mee in it : Paul answered , indeed he should have knowne my sense before he had divulged it : and for his part , he observed the passages of that Sermon as diligently as he could , and did not finde any thing of just exception against it : and I judge this Paul , as judicious a Christian as most about us , yet all this would not cause the Letter to be recalled , or stayed from Printing . Fourthly , It may clearely be discerned by this Relation , and the Circumstances here set downe , that divers sinnes , divers wayes have been committed . First , by the first Relator , who upon the Lords day leaving his owne Chappell , in the midst of the day , to goe to carry a piece of a Relation , which proves the seed of slander ; if wittingly he minced the relation in the limitation , there 's Doegs sinne in it , yea if he related it in that sense which the Scribe , and Publisher in Print seeme to import , ( as it is very probable , by his hasty telling of it , and the others hasty writing of it abroad ) it was in that sense then the like sinne , to their's that were the false witnesses against our Saviour , Mat. 26. 60 , 61. cum Joh. 2. 19. 21. But if it was rashly done , without any sinister intention , ( which is much to be doubted , ) yet there was evill in it , to relate a Passage , and to leave out principall circumstances for the understanding of it . Secondly , Sinnes committed by the Writer , and divulger were . First , A receiving an accusation against an Elder upon one witnesse , without enquiring of the Elder , whether it were so , though he might have done any day , and then divulging of it , behinde the backe , and never to the face , in a slanderous manner . Secondly , Impenitency , and hardnesse of heart , for when he was shewed his sinne , and could not but see it , yet to this day , he never gave any satisfaction , or testimony of repentance to the party wronged ; neither did he suppresse the divulging and printing of it , which he might easily have done , had he timely improved his endeavours , which in godlinesse he ought to have done ; but it appeares in this particular act , he loved evill more then good , and slandering more then speaking righteousnesse , Psal. 52. 3. Thirdly , The sinne of him that published in print these things was , his printing slanderous Relations upon so sleight Grounds , without enquiring into the certain truth ; yea having been admonished before of such dealings by Mr. Burroughs , Mr. Saltmarsh ; and Mr. John Goodwin , and found faulty in the same kinde , and yet goes on in the same trade ; surely the Wise man layes a heavy doome on such , Pro. 29. 1. All this shews by wofull experience , that there is a spirit of malice workes in the hearts of Brethren against some of their Brethren more virulent in this kinde , then the Spirit of Episcopacy , striking not only at our peace , libertie , and livelihood , but at our good names and reputations unjustly : which the Bishops never could so touch : But I hope , God will in his time cleare us ; as in this particular by his goodnesse he hath done , and all the world may see it , if they will but view this . Brethren , thus I have given you the truth , which I will avow ; if you please to adde any thing within these bounds which is defective ; to blot out any thing redundant or unnecessary , or alter any phrases which are harsh or unpolished , I give you free libertie , nay I intreate you as Brethren to doe it , and insert it with your owne , and I will acknowledge my selfe much obliged unto you . I salute you both in the Lord , and desire to be remembred to all the Brethren , and so remaine Sowerbie March 2. 1646. Your truely loving Brother in Christ , HENRY ROOTE . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A37635e-350 Titus 2. 8 ▪ Gangrae . p. 165. Ibid. Ibid. 3. Gangr . pag. 164. & 165. Act. 25. 16. Pag. 167. The Marginal note . Pag. 68. Notes for div A37635e-1740 3d. Gang. Gangrae . Gangrae ▪ Pag. 68. a Acts 25. 16. & 26. 1. b The same Certificate was since subscribed by another godlyman ▪ ☜ Preston in Com : Lane . Wiggan in Com : Lane . 3d. Gang. Pag. 167.