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TOGETHER WITH A REPLY TO George Keith's Late Book , Entituled , The Antichrists and Sadduces detected among a sort of Quakers , &c. By JOHN PENINGTON . A Double-minded Man is unstable in all his Ways , James 1. 8. They that observe lying Vanities , forsake their own Mercy , Jonah 2. 8. LONDON : Printed , and Sold by T. Sowle near the Meeting-House in White-Hart Court in Gracious-Street , 1696. ERRATA . PAge 4. line 7. f. as r. or , p. 14. l. 27. r. Evangeli●●● , p. 21. l. 30. f. the r. that , p. 22. l. 32. r. those , p. 24. l. 28. r. Propose , p. 28. l. 27. f. teacheth r. treateth , p. 29. l. 18. f. the r. that , l. 25. r. never , l. 29. r. p , 70. p. 31. l. 30. r. and honest , p. 32. l. 17. r. outwardly , p. 33. l. 1. r. promise , p. 34. l. 1. f. they r. that , p. 40. l. 4. after that del● which , p. 41. l. 15. f. and r. to , l. 29. f. outward r. outer , p. 59. l. 21. r. hearers in , in order , p. 61. l. 2. f. as r. or , p. 64. l. 7. r. Penington's l. 17. f , where r. whence , p. 65. l. 21. f. on r. in , p. 66. l. 24. f. these r. those , p. 77. l. 13. r. Rector's , p. 80. l. 14. r. believed . l. 20. f. on r. in , p. 81. l. 3. r. who , and goes on , p. 89. l. 3. r. hold , p. 101. l. 4. f. 127. r. 117. p. 106. l. 1. r. as well as , p. 112. l. 27. f. would r. could p. 120. l. 27. r. asketh if that , p , 123. l. 10. f. the r. ● at , p. 131. l. 31. r , chargeth , p. 139. l. 24. r. this which he calls , p. 145. l. 4. f. an r. and , l. 9. r. Popery , p. 146. l. 22. for ad hucr . adhuc . l. 33. r. vorten , KEITH against KEITH : OR Some more of George Keith's Contradictions and Absurdities . ALthough G. Keith blame us ( in his Advertisement , p. 3. ) for heaping Book upon Book against him ( to which himself gave the Provocation ) alledging want of Time and Ability of outward Estate ( of whose Sincerity therein , the Reader may judge by his cutting out new Work of late in his twelve Penny Narrative ) yet he continuing to abuse us in Print , 't is fit we should there also vindicate our Holy Profession from his unjust Defamations . And having to do with an unstable Adversary , I had collected and digested a List of some more of his Contradictions and Absurdities , upon a review , which I now make introductory to the Reply ; wherein if I exceed my wonted Brevity , know the variety of Subjects occasioned it : These I shall divide into two Heads , making his own Assertion in Way to City of God , Printed , Anno 1678. The Title of the First , his Absurdities and Contradictions , promiscuously Collected out of his Book , called , Truth Advanced , Printed , Anno 1694. the Second : And then enter upon defending my Self and Friends from his late false Charges in his late Book , stiled , The Antichrists and Sadduces detected among a sort of Quakers , &c. 1. That through the coming of Jesus Christ in the inward , even before he was unwardly come as manifest , many were saved , and attained unto perfect Peace and Reconciliation with God in their Souls . ( Way to City of God , p. 125. ) And the Method I shall take here , shall be first to set down what I find in his later Books , and then confront him out of his former ; and that the rather , for that in his Serious Appeal , ( Printed , Anno 1692. ) p. 21. he saith , Let but the Reader see my own Words in my Printed Books , and well consider them , and if he have but a little sound Judgment , he will easily find , I have not contradicted my self in ANY THING . Upon this Issue , I am willing to leave it with the Considerate and Judicious ( though perhaps G. Keith will allow none to be such , but who say as he saith ) and begin with the Christian Faith , &c. Vindicated , &c. ( Printed , Anno 1692. ) where he with others thus deliver themselves . Though we do affirm , that all conscientious and honest Gentiles , such as Cornelius was before the Faith of Christ was preached to him , have some measure of Light from Christ , to enlighten them , and are under some Administration of the Spirit , yet it is but the first Ministration , until the Knowledge and Faith of Christ , as he died for our Sins , and rose again , &c. be spiritually received . And such , who have the true and saving Knowledge and Faith of Christ , as he dyed and rose again without them — are ONLY Christians , and Sons of God , of the free Woman , having receiving the Spirit of Adoption , whereby they cry Abba , Father : But who have not this Faith of Christ , crucified and raised again outwardly , spiritually receiv'd and wrought in them , by the Spirit of Christ ; Whether they have , or have not heard Christ outwardly Preached unto them , are at BEST ( however Just and Conscientious to the just Principle of God in them ) not under the second , and more peculiar Ministration of God's Spirit , that makes Men worthy to be esteemed Christians , but are only under the first ; and such are held under the Custody or Safeguard of the Law , shut up unto the Faith that is afterwards to be revealed , as Paul declared , Gal. 3. 23. And the State , they are in , under this first Ministration , is to them , as the City of Refuge was to the Man slayer under the Law , Christian Faith , p. 6 , 7. This Notion of the City of Refuge , &c. I having met with in other Books of his , and touched upon in mine , Entituled , People called Quakers cleared , &c. as smelling of the Doctrine of the Revolution of humane Souls ( though G. Keith doth not care to hear of it ) and contrary to the Scriptures , particularly Eccles . 11. 3. and Heb. 9. 27. I refer to what hath been said there , p. 33. and go on . In his Book ( without date ) called , Truth and Innocency Defended , he saith , None are justified by Christ , but through Faith in him , as he dyed for them and rose again , &c. For he that believeth not , is condemned already , and therefore the Ministration of the Law , whether outwardly writ on Tables of Stone , or inwardly writ on Stony Hearts , is the Ministration of Condemnation , preparing for Christ , and leading unto Christ , and such who are under the Law ( let them be ever so obedient , just and conscientious , because they have sinned , and are not perfect ) are held under it , shut up as in a Custody , or Safeguard , as the Manslayer in the City of Refuge , and are not perfectly justified , but are under Fear , their Thoughts Accusing and Excusing ; for though they are excused or accused , or to say , justified in some good things done by them , yet that can be no perfect Justification , because their State is imperfect , p. 19 , 20. By his Obedience unto Death and precious Blood , he hath procured and purchased for us that in ward Principle of Gods Grace , whereby we are sanctified , Further Discovery , p. 17 , 18. Printed , Anno 1694 , If that in ward Principle , whereby Men are sanctified , were purchased by Christs Death and Blood , what became of both Jew and Gentile before Christ's Death ? Were they without an inward Principle , and unsanctified ? Himself shall resolve the Question anon . In his Book stiled Truth Advanced , Printed , Anno 1694 he thus hath it , It is not said that Cornelius had the Holy Ghost in his Gentile State , although he had a great measure of Gentile Sincerity and Righteousness . Nor is it any where to be sound , that ANY received that Holy Ghost , which Christ promised PARTICULARLY to Believers in him , but such ONLY who believed in him , even Christ crucified and raised again , p. 70. And in the next Page , That Holiness that is a Conformity unto Christ the second Adam , and is the proper and peculiar effect of the new or second Covenant , is far more excellent than any Righteousness or Obedience , that is but the effect of the first Covenant or Ministration , and is but a Conformity to the first Adam , his Righteousness , and maketh not Sons but Servants , or if Sons , but Sons of Hagar , or the first Covenant . And under this first Covenant Ministration , the Spirit is called in them the Spirit of Fear and Bondage , but the filial Fear , and Love , and other Gospel Vertues are the far more excellent : And here the Spirit is called , the Spirit of Adoption or Sonship , that helpeth us to cry Abba , Father . And as the Spirit of God is called in Scripture , the Spirit of Faith , &c. So it is called the Holy Spirit , or Spirit of Holiness , because it worketh a peculiar Degree and kind of Holiness , in all true Believers in Christ Crucified , &c. above what the most upright Gentiles do Witness or Experience in their meer Gentile State — The Law made nothing perfect , and that Law was not only the Law without , but even the Law WITHIN , both in Jews and Gentiles , until the Faith of Christ , the one Offering , come to be revealed , by which one Offering he hath for ever perfected all that are sanctified , p. 71. Let the Reader bear these things in Mind , or recur to them upon occasion , for on this hinge hang most of the Observations in the ensuing Quotations , which belong to this Head. Now before I bring his former Books in Evidence against him , I think needful to Premise , that I have not here delivered Mine or my Friends Sentiments pro or con ( for or against ) but barely wielded my Adversaries weapon against himself , for his Writings abound with Contradictions , as I have already observed in my Apostate Exposed , and that other called , People called Quakers cleared , &c. who though he could tell others , that , They are not so sincere as to own and retract in publick , their Errors exposed in publick , even lest such Retractation or Correction should lessen and abate their Honour and Esteem among their too credulous Followers and Admirers . See Preface to Gross Error , p. 2. yet himself is the Man , that offends in that wherewith he unjustly taxeth others ; forgetting ( or at least little regarding ) what Paul saith , Rom. 2. 21. Thou therefore which teachest another , teachest thou not thy self ? &c. For although he represented his very minute , viz. Not touching any of the great Doctrines and Principles of the Christian Religion , but relating to some Places of Scriptures unduly applied , to prove or defend things that were Truths , but did not really prove these Truths , True Copy , p. 18. and hath promised to correct and retract them , p. 17. yet it remains undone to this Day , which is above a Year ago . If he be so unwilling to correct small faults , what would he be to greater ? But before I have done with him , I doubt not to evince , he had no Reason to cast the first Stone , especially against the Innocent , when himself was so deeply culpable . To that end hear him , Light of Truth Triumphing ( Printed Anno 1670. ) thus That the new Covenant requireth doing is plain from Deut. 30. 14. But the Word is very near unto thee , even in thy Mouth , &c. which Word the Apostle Paul expounds to be the Word of Faith , and Righteousness of Faith ( Rom. 10. 8. ) which he preached , and that was the NEW COVENANT , p. 11. Hence I argue , if the Word near , be the Word of Faith , &c. be the New Covenant , then who hear it and obey it , are not under the first Covenant only , held under the Custody and Safe-guard of the Law , &c. but the Word of Faith being closed in with , the Faith is revealed . And surely the New Covenant is Saving and Perfecting . Page 15. He proposeth a few Queries to R. Gordon , to shew ( as he alledgeth ) that the Nature and Light by which the Gentiles did the things contained in the Law , and knew God , was that of Christ . 1. How could they do the things of the Law , but by the Divine Nature of Christ , seeing without him men can do no good thing ? [ And I Query , Whether the Divine Nature of Christ , whereby God is known , be without the Holy Ghost , or whether the Divine Nature of Christ did not , even then , make perfect , for in Truth Advanced , p. 70. he denies Cornelius , &c. had the Holy Ghost , and p. 71. that the Law within made perfect , before the one Offering came to be Revealed ? ] 2. How could they be excused but by Christ ? — 3. How could they be without excuse , who disobeyed , if they had no Principle given them sufficient , whereby to perform their Obedience — 4. How did some of them PERFECT the Law , and judged the Circumcision , and was Jews inwardly , and had Praise of God , if not by Christ ? [ Could they perfect that Law that it self made nothing perfect ? Again , is the Jew inward , who hath praise of God by Christ without the Holy Ghost , but a Son of Hagar ▪ Surely this Man had need have looked at home , and retracted his own Errors , before he had been so brisk upon others . ] 5. How could they clearly see the invisible things of God , but by Christ the Son , seeing it is said , None knows the Father but the Son , and he to whom the Son reveals him ? And though these invisible things are clearly seen in or through the things that are made , yet not without that which is to be known of God manifest in them , which God had shewed unto them , which gave them an Eye , or Understanding to see his Invisible Power and Godhead in these things . [ And now I query , How doth the Son reveal these invisible things , but by the Holy Spirit ? 1 Cor. 2. 10. Do Men see the Invisible Power and Godhead without it ? Or is that Administration , that gives to see the Invisible Power and Godhead , Evangelical or Legal ; Imperfect or Perfecting ? But fighting against Truth , blinds Men. ] Again he tells his Adversary , Thou secretly Labours to prove that the Name of Jesus Christ , Redeemer and Saviour , belongs only to the Word , as it was manifest in that particular Body and Form of Man , born of the Virgin Mary , but not to him as manifest in the Saints , which ( saith G. Keith ) contradicts the Scripture Testimony , Ibid. [ And G. Keith doth the same in Effect , in representing the Word , or Law within , weak and imperfect , before that Manifestation . ] My next Citations shall be out of his Postscript to G. Whitehead's Book stiled , Nature of Christianity , &c. in Answer to the same Rob. Gordon , Printed Anno. 1671. God was in Christ , reconciling Men to himself EVER SINCE the fall in all Ages , both BEFORE and since Christ suffered in the outward , having given them , or put in them the Word of Reconciliation , by which they , who became renewed thereby , were reconciled and justified IN ALL AGES . But according to R. G.'s Doctrine , no Men were justified nor reconciled , until Christ suffered Death in the outward ; because then , and not till then , was Reconciliation and Justification wrought , &c. p. 65. And according to G. Keith it is the same , except Men were reconciled and justified , by a Law that made not perfect ? Page 70. He reckons up R. Gordon his corrupt Doctrines , the fourth whereof is this , That Obedience to the Light in the Conscience , is but the Work of the first Covenant , and Righteousness thereof , and that no Man is justified thereby . Query , Is not the Light in the Conscience , the Law within ? Or is that sound in G. Keith , which is corrupt Doctrine in R. Gordon ? But G. Keith is yet more full , in asserting the Light and Grace given the Gentiles , to be Saving and Evangelical , even before Christ's coming in the outward , for which hear him in his Book of Universal Grace , Prted , Anno 1671. For the better Understanding ( saith he ) of the Matter in Hand , how that the Saving and Evangelical Light of Jesus Christ hath been communicated unto all Men , IN ALL AGES AND GENERATIONS of the World , we are to consider the Words of the Apostle , to this purpose , There are Diversities of Operations , saith he , but ONE Spirit . [ Is that one Spirit , the Holy Spirit , or another ? ] and diversity of Administrations , but one Lord , which diversity of Operations and Administrations are reducible unto these two , the Law and the Gospel , or the first Covenant , and the second . Which two , as they were very distinguishable among the Jews , so were they also among the Gentiles . As concerning the Jews , they had first the Law which came by Moses , and secondly they had the Grace and Truth which came by Jesus Christ [ was that saving ? ] The Righteousness of the Law , and the Righteousness of Faith , and these two , though they were distinguishable , yet as they were administred of God , they were not separated nor divided , but the Gospel LAY HID within the Law , as within a Vail : — And thus Christ Jesus was in the Law , and under it — The Dispensation of the Law was as Darkness , in respect of the clear Dispensation of the Gospel , yet even in this Darkness , did Jesus Christ the true Light shine . And also in or among the Gentiles UNIVERSALLY , there was and is somewhat , which by way of Proportion doth answer unto the Law and Gospel , first Covenant and second , which was so distinctly held forth among the Jews : And as among the Jews , there was Moses and the Prophets in the Letter ; so universally in ALL Men , both Jews and Gentiles , there hath been Moses and the Prophets in Spirit , and also CHRIST ? p. 8. ( Compare this with Truth Advanced , p. 70 , 71. above recited . ) To an Objection , How it is that in the Gospel is revealed the Righteousness of God from Faith to Faith unto the Just , and also that the Wrath of God is from Heaven revealed therein against the unrighteous , seeing the Gentiles have not had the Gospel preached unto them all this TIME BY PAST , in which they have lived in their Ungodliness and Unrighteousness , G. Keith replies . To this Paul Answers , That which might be known of God is manifest in them , for God had shewed it unto them , which is as much as to say , though the Gospel came not unto them outwardly , by the Ministry of Man , yet it came unto them inwardly , by the Ministry of God himself , because that which may be known of God , is manifest in them , for God hath shewed it unto them . So that it is manifest , that by this Expression , That which may be known of God , and as it is in the Greek , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , is understood the Gospel . See p. 20. By this Manifestation of God in the Gentiles , ( adds he ) our Adversaries deny that the Gospel , or any Manifestation , that is of a SAVING Nature , is understood [ to which a little lower , he thus replies ] If it were not Evangelical and the very Gospel it self , in an inward Ministration , it would quite render the Words of the Apostle impertinent , and contrary to the purpose he treats of : For Paul is here shewing what the Gospel was , and what was revealed in it , both to the Just and the Unjust ; and because the Unjust among all the Gentiles and Nations , had not the Gospel outwardly administred , he shews they had it inwardly , God having shewed it unto them , p. 21. Doth this agree with his Asserting the Law within made nothing perfect , till the Faith of Christ , the one Offering , come to be revealed ? Or will he say , the very Gospel it self , in an inward Ministration , was not saving and perfecting , before Christ was offered up in the outward ? But the foregoing he corroborates by a fourthly thus , This Manifestation is said to be that which may be known of God , which he had shewed unto them , therefore it is of an Evangelical and Saving Nature . — 5thly . By this Manifestation , here mentioned , they did CLEARLY see the Invisible Things of God , even his ETERNAL POWER and Godhead , p. 22. There was a Time ( saith G. Keith ) when God dwelt in their [ the Gentiles ] Knowledge , whereby they knew him , through what he had made manifest of his Eternal Power in them , p. 24. Was God known through the Eternal Power made manifest in them , and the Holy Ghost not received ? What Confusion doth he run himself into ? Descanting upon Rom. 1. 20. he tells us , By the things that are made — may be understood those things which are inwardly made , those MARVELLOUS Works of the Lord , which are wrought in Mens Hearts , both of Judgment and Mercy , through the Appearance of God , and the Revelation of his Almighty Arm and Power , in that Heavenly and Divine Principle of his own Seed , by which indeed the Invisible Things of him are clearly seen . And until a Man come to see the Lord , in the things that are made of him , in himself , he can never see him , in the things that are made without him ; which gave occasion to many of the Gentile Philosophers , to bid People , seek God within themselves , p. 26. Now I query , Are these marvellous Works of Judgment and Mercy wrought in Mens Hearts , and the Holy Ghost not received ? Or is the Divine Principle of his own Seed separable there from ? This is certainly to divide Christ . But a little lower he tells us what this Seed is — This Seed and the Birth thereof , by the Springing up of these Heavenly Powers and Vertues , can and doth truly represent the Divine Power and Godhead ; being the express Image of God , Ibid. Will he , upon second thoughts , divide the Holy Ghost from the Godhead , as he must do , if Men be allowed to have the one , not the other ? That the Seed , which truly represents the Divine Power and Godhead , should spring up in Men , and they without the Holy Ghost in the mean while ? Again , By Vertue of what Covenant had the Gentiles this Priviledge ? Of that which made not the comers thereunto perfect ? Or of that , whereby Grace and Truth came ? And what was the Effect of this Visitation to the Gentiles before Christs Incarnation , where embraced would it bring them no further , than the first Covenant , to be Sons of Hagar ? &c. Not to the filial Fear , Love , and other Virtues , suitable to the Child of the New Covenant , or free Woman ? Which he of late Appropriates to Believers in Christ Crucified , &c. Sarah said of old , The Son of this Bondwoman shall not be Heir with my Son , with Isaac , Gen. 21. 10. And Abraham is commanded to hearken to her Voice , ver . 12. but G. Keith seems to think they may in some Revolution or other , though they dyed Sons of Hagar . To an Objection , How can the Gentiles be either rewarded or punished , seeing they have had no Law given them , he saith , The Apostle Answers , that they had the Law inwardly , though not as the Jews had it , in an outward Administration ; and according to this Law , they should be Judged , and Accused or Excused , according to their evil or well doing — they had that inwardly made manifest in them , which God had shemed unto them , whereby they were condemned who did Evil , and justified who did Well , p. 28. [ And a little lower ] It is Evident , that this Inward Principle was the very Principle of the Gospel in them , in that Paul saith , that God will render to every Man according to his Deeds , in the Day when God shall Judge the secrets of Men by Jesus Christ , according to my Gospel , i. e. the Gospel which he Preached . Now if the Gentiles shall be judged according to the Gospel , then the Gospel behoved in some measure to be manifest unto them , for no Man shall be judged according to that which is not made manifest , p. 28 , 29. Query , Was this Gospel made manifest with or without the Holy Ghost ? Did it make perfect ? Is the Law within another or diffinct thing from the Gospel ? For he is very nice in his Distinctions , yet all will not do , his Contradictions are so thick and palpable . Moreover the Apostle proceedeth to shew how the Gentile , who followed not after Righteousness , had attained to Righteousness , even that of FAITH , and yet the Jews missed of it , p. 36. [ Is the Righteousness of Faith saving ? ] In p. 25. He desires the Reader to observe , that the Grace held forth , both in this place , and all others aforesaid , is the very Grace that is Evangelical , being the Word of Faith , and the Light which is to be believed in . [ And what is Evangelical , is perfecting , I hope : For I read not , that the Gospel was weak , though the Law was . ] My Spirit shall not always strive WITH Man , he renders IN Man , calling it , The very Salutiferous Spirit of God himself which created Man , and ALONE hath Power to save or destroy him , p. 52. and p. 53. It , may still be understood , saith he , of that inward striving of the Spirit of God , by which God did strive with them to CONVERT them , that they might not be destroyed , but saved . Now let me ask him , What Spirit is this Salutiferous Spirit ? This Spirit that brings Salvation ? Is it the Holy Ghost , or not ? For Christ was not yet offered up in the outward ? Were those Ante-Diluvian Times without the Holy Ghost , who obeyed that Salutiferous Spirit which strove with them ? Or were the Converts of those Days , under no Law , inward or outward , that made perfect ? What converted them then ? Or what were they converted to ? G. Keith having set down the Opinion of the Arminians and Papists , goes on thus , We in Opposition to these Opinionists do aver this Universal Grace , to be that very Evangelical , Gospel and Saving Grace , and not another , through which it being closed with in Faith and Love , Salvation is obtained , p. 94. This he saith of the Grace , but of the Law within , both in Jew and Gentile , he of late said , it made nothing Perfect , until the Faith of Christ come to be revealed , &c. Are they two ? That predicable of the one , which is not of the other ? In his Looking Glass for Protestants , Printed , Anno 1674. wherein he Labours to shew the Quakers are the truest Protestants , he compares W. Tindals Faith with ours in several respects . His Fourthly is thus , His Faith was , that the Heathen once had the Spirit of God , and that Pharaoh , before his Heart was hardned , had the Spirit of Grace , and this is OUR FAITH , saith G. Keith , p. 28. Query , Whether it be his Faith now ? Who must either distinguish between the Spirit of God , the Spirit of Grace , and the Holy Spirit , and so make them two , which are but one ; or else retract his saying , the Gentiles had not the Holy Ghost , who believed not in Christ crucified and raised again . Now I come to his Book of Immediate Revelation , &c. Printed Anno 1668. and Reprinted with an Appendix , Anno 1676. which tells us , The Light reveals the whole Will of God — he needs not go forth to seek a Law without him , the Word is near in his Heart , and in his Mouth ; and this is the Word of Faith , to which Moses pointed the Jews , and Paul the Romans , p. 77. It seems then it was one and the same Word of Faith , which Moses , who was before Christ came in the outward , and Paul , who was after his Ascension , pointed to ; & the Work the same , viz. it revealed the WHOLE Will of God : And surely what reveals the whole Will of God , doth it not enable to perform it , according to Phil. 2. 13. and is not that Saving and Perfecting ? But he Queries , What was this FOUNDATION of the Church of God , before ever the Scripture was writ , before Moses and the Prophets , & c ? Was it not Jesus Christ the Word , which was in the Beginning ? Had it ANY OTHER Foundation ? And what gave them the Knowledge of this Foundation , and builded them upon it , when they had no Scripture ? And whereupon was their Faith founded ? By the hearing of what Word did they come by their Faith , seeing then the Scripture was not writ ? It was even ( saith G. Keith ) the Word which came from God himself , and taught them immediately , p. 103. I may now Query , Had the Church then a Foundation ? Were they built upon it , even in Moses and the Prophets Days ? And was that Foundation Jesus Christ the Word ? And did they by hearing it come by Faith in Christ , before the Scripture was writ ? And yet did they not receive the Holy Ghost ? Could not that Law , that Command , that Word make Perfect ? Had Men Faith in Christ , and could not that Faith save in their Days ? Monstrum horrendum ! Page 105. He tells us , that Moses falls a declaring concerning the New Covenant , Deut. 30. from ver . 11 , to 16. the Probation whereof he gives in the next Page , both from Jer. 31. 32. and Rom. 10. 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9. And in p. 107. thus hath it , The Jews and People of Israel , who lived in Moses's Time , and were SAVED , it was through Faith in this Word , in this Prophet , raised up in them , in their Hearts , not at a distance , but nigh ; the Word is nigh in thy Heart . And this is Christ in them , the Hope of Glory , the Mystery hid from Ages and Generations , but was EVER made manifest in his Saints , but in the latter Days more clearly , &c. p. 107 , 108. Query , Had Men Faith in Christ , the Word ? Was the Mystery ever made manifest in the Saints ; and yet was the Law within in sufficient to make perfect , till since Christ was offered up in the outward ? Having transcribed many verses in 119 Psalm , concerning the Word , he queries , p. 109. What Word this is , whether the Letter of the Scripture , o● that Word of Faith , Paul ( and Moses long before ) spoke of , and its effects upon David he tells us anon , saying , This quickned him , this strengthned him , this comforted him , this taught him , and made him wiser than his Teachers : This was as Oyl unto him , a Lamp unto his Feet , and a Light to his Paths ; in this his Steps were ordered , verse 133. in this he worshipped , he prayed , he sung Psalms , and all his Springs were in this , p. 111 , 112. But I query , if the Law within made nothing perfect , until the one Offering was revealed , how came David by his Quicknings , Strength , Comfort , Instruction , Wisdom , Light , fresh Springs , & c ? For now we are got a step beyond proving , that the Gentiles were savingly enlightned , and by occasion ( administred from G. Keith ) driven to evince , out of his former Writings , that the Patriarchs , before Christ was born and suffered , had such a Law within them , as did make them perfect . Are these the Fruits of an imperfect Law , to quicken , strengthen , &c. or will he , who once contended , that many were saved and attained unto perfect Peace and Reconciliation with God in their Souls , now deny it to David , a Jew both inward and outward , as he must do , if the Law could not make perfect ? How is he confounded ! how engaged in what is and will be too hard for him ! Solomon comes next . From what he ●●ys of Wisdom's crying at the Gates in every City , G. Keith queries , Is not her crying , &c. the same with Jesus Christ his standing at the Door , &c. p. 113. And I query , Whether to them that opened unto him , even during that Administration , he did not come in and Sup with them , for G. Keith immediately quotes Rev. 3. 20. to adapt it to Solomons saying ? 2dly , Whether such had the Holy Ghost ? And 3dly , Whether the Law within such made them perfect , in that Age ? G. Keith goes on thus , The Gospel was Preached unto Abraham — Abel , Enoch , Noah , and to ALL BELIEVERS , who lived before Scripture was writ in a Book , and it was spoken into their Hearts by the Spirit of Jesus Christ , and the Saints who then lived and were inspired of God , preached the Gospel , and the Gospel is the same in all Generations , for it is the Everlasting Gospel , Rev. 4. 6. But now the Declarations , Discoveries , and Manifestations of this one Gospel ; have been many and different , under the Law ; more darkly in the Time of the Prophets , more manifestly in the Time of the Apostles . Yet more manifestly and yet all ONE GOSPEL , and we preach no other , but the same Everlasting Gospel , which is the Power of God unto Salvation , Rom. 1. 16. See p. 213. Now hence I query , Whether the Gospel Preached unto Abraham , Abel , Enoch , Noah , & c ? Were the Law within Abraham , & c ? And whether it made them perfect ? 2dly . Whether these Believers , who lived before Scripture was writ in a Book , who had that inspeaking into their Hearts by the Spirit of Jesus Christ , partook of the Holy Spirit , the Spirit of Holiness , of Adoption or Sonship ; or of the Spirit of Fear and Bondage only ? Were they Sons of Hagar or Sarah ? Of First or Second Covenant ? 3dly , Whether those inspired Men , who preached the Gospel , which he allows to be the same in all Generations , had ALL OF THEM the Doctrinal Knowledge and Faith of Christ Crucified , and preached it to others ? And this I the rather urge , for as much as Truth Advanced , p. 42. he denies that Paul means the Gospel is the Power of God , simply and abstractly considered without all Doctrine and doctrinal Knowledge and Faith of Christ Crucified . All Saints have the same Spirit and Word of Prophecy in some measure , more or less , that the Prophets had , who ever directed People to the same Spirit and Word in their Hearts , from which they spake , that they might in themselves hear the same Word and Spirit , whereby the true Faith comes , p. 221. Is this Spirit and Word saving ? Is it perfecting in all Ages ? Can a Man hear it and obey it , and yet be without the Holy Ghost ? But hear him again . This second Adam is called the quickning Spirit , by whose quickning Vertue , the Souls of ALL the Holy Men and Women were made and kept alive unto God , as truly before he came in the Flesh , as after , for they did all eat the same spiritual Meat , &c. Which was Christ ; yea they did eat his Flesh , and drink his Blood as TRULY & REALLY in measure BEFORE he came in that Body of Flesh , as the Saints have done since , p. 227. To the same purpose he expresseth himself in p. 258. and in Way cast up , p. 95. and in Rector Corrected , p. 95. This shews what he once thought of the Holy Men and Womens Condition in those first Ages of the World , who then only placed the difference in Degree not in Kind ; now will not allow more then Gentile Sincerity and Righteousness , where Faith in Christ crucified is not revealed , as well as that he concludes all , before Christ was visibly offered , under such an inward Law , as made not perfect ? How he will reconcile such a State to that of eating his Flesh , and drinking his Blood , let him look to . In the mean while , as he queries Truth Advanced , p. 184. in his query , 10. Can any Eat the Flesh of Christ and drink his Blood , who have not the Faith of him , as he GAVE his Body of Flesh to be broken , and his Blood to be shed for us ? So I query , Could any do thus before it was given or broken ? Or had all those Holy Men and Women ( he spoke of even now ) so much as the Faith or Knowledge that it should be broken ? Having offered what Citations I at present proposed out of this Book , the next that comes in course , is , The Way Cast up , Printed Anno , 1677. He there saith , Paul takes notice of some among the Gentiles , in the time of Heathenism , who were a law unto themselves , and did by Nature ( to wit the Divine Nature of the Word Ingrafted in them , James 1. or by their own Nature , restored and repaired by the Grace of God , as Augustin Expounded that place ) the things contained in the Law : And such was Socrates among the Grecians , whom Justin Martyr in one of his Apologies , did expresly call a Christian , and classeth him with Abraham , &c. p. 44 , 45. Several things are Remarkable here , one , that in the time of Heathenism , some Gentiles partook of the Divine Nature , which hath been oft touched upon already . 2dly That their Nature was repaired and restored by the Grace of God. Qu. Was that Grace insufficient or imperfect ? Can Nature be restored or repaired by that which makes not perfect ? By any thing less than God's Holy Spirit ? 3dly That Justin Martyr classed such an one with Abraham , and calls him a Christian . 4thly That here he boggleth not at the appellation , in this Book , Printed Anno. 1677. Though he doth afterwards , Anno. 1694. Saying in Truth Advanced , p. 46. If they were real Christians , they had some Knowledge and Faith of Christ the Messiah , as he was to come in the Flesh . But now the Man being altered , no wonder that his Expressions vary . If the Saints , before Christ came outwardly in the Flesh , had not Eat of the Flesh of Christ , and Drank of his Blood , they could not have had Life by him , but they had Life by him , and therefore , &c. p. 95. [ Christ ] hath Lived in all Saints , as well before he came in the Flesh , as to his outward Birth , as since , p. 100. Did he Live in them , and did they Feed on him , even before his outward Birth , and yet the Law within Jew and Gentile , not make perfect till after it ? Though the outward coming of the Man Christ was deferred , according to his outward Birth in the Flesh , for many Ages , yet from the BEGINNING this Heavenly Man , the promised Seed , did inwardly come into the Hearts of those that believed in him , and Bruised the Head of the Serpent , and destroyed him that had the Power of Death , that is the Devil , the Stronger Man entering the House , and dispossessing the strong Man , and Casting him out , p. 99. When the Head of the Serpent is bruised , the Power of Death ( the last Enemy ) destroyed , the Devil Dispossessed and cast out , and the stronger enters , Hath not the perfect Law , the Law which doth make perfect , taken place ? Again , Thus the Word was made Flesh , even from the beginning , and dwelt in us , as in ALL AGES , and they beheld his Glory , &c. p. 103. Is this Indwelling , where the Glory is beheld , without the Holy Ghost , or unable to perfect the Work ? Now I come to his Book Stiled , Way to the City of God , Printed Anno. 1678. where he saith , Even at Mans Fall , the Seed of the Woman was given , not ONLY to Bruise the Serpents Head , but also to be a Lamb or Sacrifice , to attone and pacify the Wrath of God towards Man , p. 125. Is this Bruising the Serpents Head , attonement , &c. Witnessed , where the Holy Ghost is not received ? Is not this State , a Gospel State beyond Gentile Sincerity and Righteousness ? And where these Effects are wrought , doth not the Seed of the Woman make perfect ? He tells us , We are not too nicely to make a difference betwixt the Influence and effects of his outward and inward Sufferings , but to understand them in a perfect Conjunction , and that the End of his Sufferings in both was this , viz. 1. Both to quench and allay the Wrath of God. — 2. to purify and Cure Men , &c. p. 139. Had G. Keith taken the Counsel he then gave , he would not have so depretiated the Law within , nor denied the receiving the Holy Ghost to the Conscientious Heathen , to whom the outward was not revealed , as he hath done of late . His Book called Rector Corrected , Printed Anno. 1680. Comes next , There he denies not , but that some rare and singular Gifts of the Spirit , have been given unto some of these called Heathen , some whereof have Prophesied of Christ , and others uttered some Divine Sayings , that could proceed from no other Principle , but the same Divine Spirit that was in the Christians , p. 50. Qu. Is this Divine Spirit the Holy Spirit , the Spirit of Holiness , which these had , while to Cornelius he allows only a great Measure of Gentile Sincerity and Righteousness , had these a Law within them , that made perfect , which of late he will not admit , to Jew or Gentile , until Christ , the one Offering was Revealed , : For it seems they had the same Spirit the Christians had . How should this be , if the Holy Spirit was Peculiar to the latter Days , to them who believed in Christ Crucified , &c. For that not being done , the benefits Annexed and Apropriated thereto , could not be received . Again , that these generally had so much as a belief that the Messiah should come , and suffer , and rise again , is what will stick hard upon him to prove , if he dare assert it , especially considering that the Disciples , who conversed with Jesus , were even after his Resurrection , so far from believing it , either Explicitely or Implicitely ( a late phrase of his ) that they disbelieved it , and it seemed to them as idle Tales , Lu. 24. 11. Yet if that were granted , that all these had this belief of the Messiah that he should come , &c. Yet if he will believe himself , ( which he hath small cause to do , Considering his windings and twistings of late ) they could not have that holy Spirit which the Christians had , that Holy Spirit being ( as he saith ) peculiar to believers in Christ Crucified , ( not in Christ to be Crucified . ) In the same Page he quotes a saying of Seneca , thus , There is a Holy Spirit in us , that Teacheth us , as we Treat him . So here 's a Heathen hath outstript G. Keith , by confessing to more than a great Measure of Gentile Sincerity and Righteousness , even to the Holy Spirit in the Gentiles : And that G. Keith may find to his Sorrow one Day . Again , God gave his Holy Spirit to instruct them ; and the Spirit in the Jews made them to believe in Christ , as well before he was Born in the Flesh , as since , and therefore he is called the Spirit of Faith , as being the Author of it , in all them that believe , p. 150. Is this Consonant to his saying , ( Truth Advanced , p. 70. ) Nor is it any where to be found , that any received that Holy Ghost , which Christ promised particularly to the Believers in him , but such only who believed in him , even Christ Crucified and Raised again ? Will he distinguish between Gods Holy Spirit , and the Holy Ghost , or make two Holy Ghosts . He queries , Was not the Spirit of Christ in Moses ? And Christ the Lord was that Spirit , as Paul hath taught , p. 187. Now I query , Seeing Christ was not then offered up , whether that Spirit were the Holy Ghost or no ? And also whether the Spirit made him perfect , yea or nay ? In Truth 's Defence , Printed Anno. 1682. He thus hath it , When I say the Spirit is the Rule , there is no absurdness therein ; for if we mean by the Spirit , THE HOLY GHOST Christ and the Holy Ghost are never seperated or divided in what they Speak or witness in the Souls of Men — Christ himself in Scripture is called the second Adam , the quickening Spirit , the Lord is that Spirit , p. 170 ( And in p. 107. he tells us , Paul Expounds Deut. 30. 14. of Christ , and that Clemens Alexandrinus and others of the Fathers so understood those words of Moses ) if so , the Jews by having Christ for their Rule , had the Holy Ghost for their Rule , even before he was Crucified and Rose again . This he inforceth in what follows . If Enoch , Noah , Abraham , had the Spirit to be a Rule unto them , it is no less a Rule unto all now , who have the SAME FAITH which they had , seeing the SAME SPIRIT is given to Believers now , which they had , which Spirit is one , as Paul hath declared : And it is most Rational , that as the Faith is one IN ALL AGES of the World , and the Spirit ONE , So the Principal Rule of Faith should be one also , p. 114. If the Spirit be one , the Faith one , the Rule one , in all Ages of the World , How came Cornelius not to have the Holy Ghost , when his Prayers and Almes came up for a Memorial before God ? Or had he that one Spirit , Rule and Faith , which Enoch , Noah and Abraham had , and that one Spirit not the Holy Spirit , not the Spirit of Holiness , not the Spirit of Adoption or Sonship ? Is not this to make two ? And to the Levites , P. 121. He allows the Spirit of God to the right interpreting the Scripture : Now Christ not being yet Crucisied and Raised again . I query , Whether that Spirit were something besides the Law within , which of late he hath said , made nothing Perfect . His Commanding them to tarry at Jerusalem , until they received the promise of the Father , which was the Spirit ( to wit in GREATER MEASURE than formerly it was given unto them ) did not oblige , &c. p. 141. Had he kept to this distinction in his latter Writings , he would not have told of Cornelius and the Gentiles , not having the Holy Ghost , before they had Faith in Christ Crucified , &c. A more plentiful Effusion of the Spirit being no part of the Controversy , but granted : But still it is the same Spirit , same Faith , same Rule , as himself once acknowledged , and was instanced even now . In the next place ( he having of late asserted , that the Law within did not make perfect , till , &c. ) Let us hear how he here defineth perfection , He who is Faithful in every respect to the measure of Grace which he hath received , is indeed a perfect Man , and doth please God , although he be not equal in his attainment unto others , who have more given them , saith G. Keith , p. 212. But can any one be perfect , by vertue of a Law that doth not make perfect ? And if there were this deficiency , even in the Law within , during the first Covenant Administration , how could any be perfect then ? And yet to shew that he abounds with Contradictions , he hath allowed it to many , as in above-cited Way to the City of God , p. 125. which I made the Title of this first Part. And now I come to G. Keith's Book of Divine Immediate Revelation , Printed Anno. 1684. which I Read not till of late , by means of his citing it , in his answer to me , of which anon . Speaking of Cornelius , he saith , Do not Peters words plainly imply , that there were many such good honest Men , who were acceptable to God through Christ , although they had not heard of Christ as yet outwardly Preached ? See , p. 26. 27 Again , Cornelius received the Spirit Immediately , and yet obtained it FURTHER by means of Peter's Preaching , p. 63. Qu. Was not then the Spirit he received before and after Peter's Preaching , the same Spirit . Again , We no where Read in all the Scripture , that Noah Preached to all Mankind in the Old World , but we find expresly that God , by his Spirit , did strive in those Men , which most plainly sheweth that they had some inward teaching given them from the SPIRIT OF GOD , for against what did they Sin , but that Law Published by the Spirit of God in their Hearts , seeing they had no written Law ? — They had that inward Law , which as Paul affirmed , the other Gentiles had , Rom. 1. See , p. 54. The word of God was rare in respect of its being outward ▪ preached , yet it was near and within , in the Hearts of both Jews and Gentiles , as Paul did affirm , Rom. 10. compared with Deut. 30. p. 55. Whence I Query , What Spirit this is ? What Law Published thereby ? What word this that Paul and Moses Speak of ? And whether they that received it and obeyed it received the Holy Spirit , and were thereby made perfect , especially seeing he further saith , p. 79. All the Faithful under the Old Covenant were immediatly taught of God , yet not by vertue of the Old Covenant , but of the New , which New Covenant in some degree had place in the time of the Old , and was to be further revealed in Gospel Daies , &c. Surely if the New Covenant had place in some degree , in the time of the Old , the New Testament promised ( I will put my Spirit within you , Ezek. 36. 27. ) had also a place during the Old Covenant Administration , even where the word of Faith was closed with : And what Spirit is this , if not the Holy Spirit ? In p. 55. After having desended R. B's sense , with respect to God , his never changing his way or manner of Teaching and Enlightning his People by his Spirit inwardly working in them , and his Continuing the same in all Ages , before the Law , after the Law , and also after the coming of Christ , he adds , p. 56. that , The inward Preaching , Speaking and Illumination of God , by his Spirit , did ALWAYS remain in some degree , more or less , in the true Church , and in ALL its Members . [ Qu. Were the Gentiles , who did by nature the things Contained in the Law , none of these ? ] For if at any time the outward Preaching was little or none — God did supply that outward defect inwardly by his Spirit , &c. In the same Book ( viz. That part which is ●n answer to Geo. Hicks ) he alledgeth , p. 154. Clemens Alexandrinus is so for from thinking that only the Prophets and Apostles ●ri● by divine Inspiration , that he plainly declareth , that not only Plato , but also many others Preached and Declared the only true God by his Inspiration , And in p 158. ' That Justin Martyr expresly saith , That the innate Word or Reason , declared of James 1. 21 , Was in the Philosophers , Poets and Historiographers , who by the impulse thereof , spoke some things excellently . And they who live with , or according to the Word , are Christians , as among the Grecians , Socrates , Heraclitus , &c. But I query , How could that be , if the Holy Spirit , the Spirit of Christ ( without which none are his , Rom. 8. 9. ) be given to none but Believers in Christ Crucified , &c. Or that the Law within , both Jews and Gentiles , made nothing perfect till the one offering came to be revealed ? Yet that he may appear , as he is , Contradictory in every Branch , in the following Page , he bids us , Note , That whereas Justin Martyr called Socrates and others , who lived in Conformity to the Divine Word in them , Christians , it is to be understood in part , according to that General Revelation , although we find not , that Socrates had the knowledge of Christ as he was to come in the Flesh , and suffer Death , &c. Now compare this with what himself hath said , Truth Advanced , p. 46. up on this very assertion of Jus ; tin Martyr's , viz. If they were real Christians , and were worthy of that Honourable Name , they had some Faith and Knowledge of Christ the Messiah &c. As he was to come in the Flesh , &c So one while this wavering Man restricts Christianity to a belief in Christ come , Crucifie and Raised again , and allows the appellation to Socrates and the rest , only upon Condition that they so knew and believed in Christ , nother while admits them to be Christians part , conform to the Divine Word , while supposeth them not to have had that Kno●ledge . Yet whether Men who live in Conformity to the Divine Word , can be said to be wholly Strangers to the Holy Spirit , himself will do well to consider . In his Plain Short Catechism , Printed Anno. 1690. He saith by way of Question and Answer , Qu. Is the Seed or Principle of the second or New Covenant , after some manner , in all Men ? A Yea , Qu. And is that Seed or Principle , Christ the Word of Faith ? A Yea , p. 9. Now I Query , Whether Christ the Word of Faith , the Seed or Principle of the New Covenant , in all Men , were always saving and perfecting IN ALL MEN , where embraced ? Or since Christs Ascension only ? He queries again , Q. Is that great Mystery greatly ( I suppose it should be , generally ) revealed in all ? A Nay , Q. Did not God reserve the more full Revelation of it , in a more general way , to the time after Christ should suffer Death for Mens Sins , and rise again ? A Yea , Q. Was not therefore Christ the Mystery hid from Ages and Generations , until the fulness of time , and that both as to his inward and outward coming , for most part ? A Yea , ibid. By these words [ more full Revelation , more general way , for most part ] he seems to allow the Mystery was not hid from all . Now I query , Whether they , to whom the Mystery was revealed before Christ suffered Death for Mens Sins , were under the Law within that made nothing perfect , according to Truth Advanced , p. 71. Or were of the Many who were saved , and attained unto perfect Peace and Reconciliation with God in their Souls , according to Way to City of God , p. 125. Or whether he will undertake to reconcile those two Passages . Hitherto I have opposed his former to his latter writings , now let us see , whether in one and the same Book , he be not as Contradictory to himself , and that in his Truth Advanced , Printed Anno 1694. as a kind of System of G. Keith's Divinity . He asks , Who can say with understanding , that Moses , Samuel , David and the Prophets , and John that came after , were not in that Kingdom , as well as any now , for they had the SAME Righteonsness , Peace and Joy in the HOLY GHOST , as any now have ; and therefore , if by the Kingdom , we understand Christs Kingdom of Grace in the Hearts of true Believers , surely John , and all the holy Prophets , and other Holy Men and Women were in it , as well before Christ came in Flesh , as since , &c. And a little lower , All this doth not in the least infer , that the Prophets were not true Believers in Christ , as well as any now , and had not by true Faith an entrance into Gods Kingdom , as well as any now ; for it is absurd to suppose with the Papists , that when they dyed , they went into a Certain Limbus or Prison , where they were detained , and had not an entrance into God's Kingdom , until Christ rose from the Dead : And it is as absurd for any to Imagin , that Believers generally , since Christ came in the Flesh after Death , have a greater or higher place , or are greater in the Kingdom of Glory , that is to come , than the prophets have , for it is most clear from Scripture , that Abraham , Isaac and Jacob , and all the Prophets are in that Kingdom of God , Luke 13 , 28 29. And none can enter into the Kingdom of God hereafter , who have not known some beginning of entrance in to it here , in this World , See p. 136 , 137. This affords much matter to comment on , and compare with what he hath delivered elsewhere , particularly in this very Book . 1. Moses , the Prophets and John were in the Kingdom , had Righteousness , Joy and Peace in the Holy Ghost , as well as any now : They and other Holy Men and Women were in the Kingdom of Grace , as well before Christ came in the Flesh , as since . How can that be ? If Christ promised the Holy Ghost PARTICULARLY to Believers in him , to such ONLY who believed in him , ●ven Christ Crucified and Raised again , as he ●sserts , p. 70. Could these Holy Men and Wo●en believe in Christ Crucified and Raised a●ain , before he was so ? If not , How came they ●y that Gift , which was annexed to such qua●●fications , as they could not have ? 2. They ●ere not detained in a Limbus or Prison ; it an absurdity in the Papists to suppose so , or at they had not an entrance into God's ●ingdom , until Christ rose from the Dead , ●ith he here . But in p. 71. that the Law thin made nothing perfect , until the Faith Christ , the one offering come to be revealed , by which one offering he hath forever perfected , &c. Is an entrance then administred into the Kingdom of Grace , by a Law that doth not make perfect ? Or can Men have that before the one offering , which perfects , be Revealed , which is only to be had by the Revelation of that one offering ? 3. Whereas he asserts now , that none can enter into the Kingdom of God hereafter , who have n●● known some beginning of entrance in this World , I ask , Can they enter by an imperfect Law ? It is hard for Man to come up to the height of the Ability given , but can any advance higher ? If the Law be weak , are no● they weaker ? Again , if Men must know some beginning of entrance here , then those Conscientious Gentiles , such as Cornelius was before Peter Preached to him , either had it her● ( and can that be without the Holy Ghost ? or they must have it there . If they have not , but must have it , when shall that be , i● a renewed Visitation , in some other Revolution , or in Purgatory ? A Medium let hi● find , if he can : And so I follow him to t●● second Head. 2. Absurdities and Contradictions Promiscuo● Collected . I now come to make my Observations some Absurduies and Contradictions inter wor●● by way of Miscellany , as I find them occu●● his late large Tract , entituled , Truth Adv●●ced , in which ( as in the foregoing ) ●● keep to the order of the Pages , for the m●st part . Some ( he saith ) expound the Herbs and Trees , given to Man for Food before the Fall , to be paradisical , Gen. 1. 29. And the Earth paradisical , distinct from this Gross visible Earth , called the Dry Land , [ and adds ] So it will be to the raised Saints , at the Resurrection of the Dead , who shall live and dwell in that Garden , where Adam and Eve at first was placed , called The New Earth , Rev. 20. And though they shall have the Command and Rule of this Visible Earth , under Christ their Head , yet they shall need nothing in it , p. 24. By this it should seem , that this Visible Earth is to remain , though the Saints need nothing in it : Then not to be Burnt up and dissolved , with the Works that are therein , according to 2 Pet. 3. 10 , 11. for what is burnt up and is dissolved , is no more Visible . From an unproved assertion that , The Body of Man had not this Grosness and Impersection before the Fall [ he draws this Inference , that ] It is manifest , that the manner of Mans Generation or Propagation had been after a far more Excellent manner , than now it is , if the Fall had not been , p. 27. 28. But that is not Manifest , though he , Dictator like , saith it is ; but needeth Proof . It is certainly a great and hurtful Error for any to hold , that the outward and Visible Earth was not cursed for Mans sake , saith he , p. 32. Then I hope the Contrary is true , that the Earth was Cursed for Mans sake , But why , I pray ? If Man before the Fall was not made of the common Dust , but much more pure and Refined , than that which of which Mens Bodies were made since the Fall , as he tells us , p. 21. and also p. 117. and that Paradice , where God placed Man , was no part of this Visible Earth , p. 16. Must the Earth suffer for what Man did in Paradi●● when neither his Creation was out of he●● but of a more pure and Refined Dust , nor his Sin committed in her ? How could it affect her then ? Is it equal she should suffer for what was done elsewhere , by one that had not his ●ice out of her ? Surely if his Notion were true , the Garden where he Trespassed , and out of the Dust whereof he was made , were more likely to be affected with Adams Sin , than this Visible Earth : For Gods way is equal , Ezek. 18. 25. No Illumination ( he saith ) is able to save fully and perfectly with Eternal Salvation , but that which gives the Knowledge and Faith of Christ Crucified and Raised again , p. 40. Then those Jews and Gentiles , who dyed without it , either shall not be saved with eternal Salvation , or it must be revealed hereafter , according to the Doctrine of the Revolutionists : The latter seems to be his , by his supposing , A middle state for some time only , until the Faith of Christ be revealed unto the ● Souls , p. 44. In p. 97. he 〈◊〉 hath it , Both Christ's Resurrection Body , and the Resurrection Bodies of the Saints at their appearance , shall have no heaviness nor weight to encline them to the Globe of the Earth , as Christs Body Now in Heaven hath none — And in p. 98. They shall appear in some certain place above the Globe of the Earth , over or above the Mount of Olives , where Christ ascended after he rose from the Dead . And though the Resurrection Body of a Saint , cannot be in all places at once , yet without doubt they can move from one place to another , at any distance , upwards or downwards , South , North , East or West , in the twinckling of an Eye , or according to the swiftness of a Thought , which is easy to understand , and such who know , that some of the Moveable Stars and Luminaries move some hundreds of Miles in less than one Minute of time , some of which are greater Bodies than the Globe of the the Earth . This Notion he would do well to Evince by plain Evidence of Holy Scriptures , and in Scripture Words and Terms , seeing he saith , it is only safe to keep thereto , P. 118. As such I leave it with him , and proceed . When their Resurrection Bodies shall be given unto them , then their inner white Garments shall be Cloathed upon , as with an outward Garment , even as when a man that is Cloathed with a sine Linnen Shirt or Wascoat , putteth on another fine Garment above it , to which the words of Paul are to be referred , 2 Cor. 5. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4. See p. 101. And in the next Page , as if he were proud of his Comparison , he goes on and tells us , I shall not enlarge at present , nor further launch forth into THESE MYSTERIES , although I may safely say , more of these things have been in Part opened unto me , than I think fi● to declare , or can declare in Words , p. 102 Which , if they be no better than his Wast● Coat Mysteries , he may even keep them to himself , and make the best of them : For he is Strange Man at Similes . Yet he will be ki●● for rather than Men shall want cloaths at th● Resurrection , he hath provided them an upper and under Garment , a Shirt or Wastcoat , and fine Garment above it : So that they shall be doubly cloathed , which is more than his Text allows him . As in p. 27. he had interpreted the Coats of Skins , wherewith God cloathed Adam and Eve after the Fail , to be a cloathing the Soul with the Righteousness of the Lamb , and the Body with the Skin and Flesh of this frail , mortal and corruptible Body ( on which I made my Observations in my last Book , called , People called Quakers cleared , &c. p. 45. ) now he improveth it thus , Within this bruial Skin of the gross Body that rotteth in the Grave , there is lodged the true Body of Man , that corrupteth not , and the gross Skin or visible Part is no essential Part of the true Body , more then Dross is a Part of the Silver or Gold — but at the Resurrection of the Dead , nothing of the Drossy Part , that is brutal , shall arise , but only that which is proper to Man as Man , to wit , such as Adam had before the fall . So the Flesh that is gross , mortal and corruptible , is not that Flesh , that shall be raised up immortal and incorruptible , p. 113. This not only contradicts his own saying ( Testimony against that absur'd Opinion , p. 3. ) That which riseth is the MORTAL , that putteth on immortality , and the corruptible which putteth on incorruption , but even the Apostle Paul , for he saith , this mortal shall put on immortality , 1 Cor. 15. 54. Now from what I have quoted above , I demand proof of him . First , That the frail , mortal and corruptible Body , which Adam had after the Fall , was not the Body he had before the Fall. Secondly , That the Body he had after the Fall riseth not , but that which he had before the Fall ; for we must not take things upon trust from so unstable an Author . In p. 115. he tells his Reader , where the Separation is made between the pure and noble Part , and that drossy Part in Mans Body [ viz. ] In the Mystical and Invisible Machpelah , or Sepulchre in Hebron , in the Land of Israel , figuratively and mystically understood [ and who it is to be ] bought of , viz. Of Ephron the Dust-Eater , [ and at what price , viz. ] 400. pieces of Silver , i. e. by so many Vertues [ and adds in the next Page ] that in the mystical Land of Israel , all the dead Bodies of the Saints shall be raised up , and stand with the Lamb upon Mount Zion , to wit , not the literal Zion , but the Mystical [ But foreseeing an Objection , viz. ] How can these 400. pieces of Silver ( signifying so many Vertues , be paid to Ephron the Dust-Eater , Ephron be the Devil , &c. [ to this he very gravely Answers ] Things spoken by way of Allegory , and Parable are not strictly to be understood in every Circumstance . This is like himself , Dictator-like , when he pleases they shall ; when otherwise they shall not be understood in every Circumstance : His Word must be a Law , else he will wrangle . Nay in th● very Place he will not bate an Ace of 400. Vertues , they must be just so many , the number 400. being ( as he saith ) produced of four , Answer to the four elemental Principles or Qualities of the Body , and the number 10. to the ten Commandments , and that again multiplied by other ten , because every one of the ten Commandments may be well understood to be branched forth into other ten . This is to impose not argue . If this be the Fruit of his being further enlightned , as he boasts ( Advertisement , p. 4. ) I may safely say , surely the old is better , Luke 5. 39. what he learnt , when little and low , beyond these tow'ring Imaginations . But what Reason , I pray , save that G. Keith saith it , is there for straining the Allegory in one place , not in the other ? Or why might not another multiply them by ten more , and so make 4000. of them ? Again , he saith , The Graves that shall be opened at the Resurrection of the Dead , are not any visible Places on this Globe of the Earth [ How will he prove that ? I am sure his Friends he would now creep in with , are of another Mind ] but certain in visible places to our carnal Eyes — commonly ( adds he ) Men have two Graves , the first given them by Men , until the Separation be made betwixt the Kirnel and the Drossy Part , by Putrefaction ( as suppose after a Year , or more or less ) the second given them by God , who probably may use the Ministry of Angels therein . See Jude 9. saith he , p. 116 , 117. Query , What becomes of the Body , after a Year or more , when the Separation is made betwixt the Kirnel and Drossie Part ? And what becomes of the Kirnel ? Where is it bestowed till the Day of Judgment ? Or to use his own Words , is only Belly , Guts , and Draught lest behind ? He goes on , What is said of the Drossy Part belonging to Mens Bodies , called by Paul , Corruption , is no wise to be understood of the Body of Christ , which had no such part in it , but was altogether most Pure , and saw no Corruption , and therefore when the Sepulchre was looked into , nothing was there to be found , but the Grave-cloaths , p. 117. From hence I observe , that the additional Cloathing which he makes Man to have received after the Fall , that which was not proper to Man as Man , viz. the Skin and Flesh of this srail , mortal , and corruptible Body , Christ partook of and ● scended with ( nothing was to be found in the Sepulchre , but the Grave cloaths ) yet his Flesh not corrupt : But we leave that cloathing behind us , a Separation being made betwixt the Kirnel and the Drossy Part : How then shall our vile Bodies be changed , and fashioned like his glorious Body ( according to Phil. 3. 21. ) if we rise only with wh●● is proper to Man as Man , and which Ada● had before the Fall , and Christ taketh both Is that ( which he in us terms the brutal Part● so necessary an Appendix to Christs Body , a● not so to ours ? Or are our vile Bodies , inste●● of being fashioned like his glorious Body , l●● behind unchanged ? This 't is to over-value● Mans self upon School Philosophy , and neglect● better Teacher : And I bring it , not as decla●●tive of my own Faith either way , but as Argumentum ad hominem , against G. Keith . That the Body of Man before the Fall ( ● which he compares the Resurrection Bodies ) were not made of this visible Earth , but ● that Dust whereof is Gold , and the Stones of ● Sapphires , Job 28. 6. compared with R●● 21. 21. is another of his unproved Assertion Ibid. And yet p. 118. summing up his Ma●ter , he saith , But against the Doctrine of t●● Resurrection , as here delivered and open●● by plain Evidence of Holy Scripture , and ●● Scripture Words and Terms , to which it ●● ONLY safe in this and in all other things , ●● keep close , some will be ready to Obje●● Answ . Who these Objecters are , he hath not declared , nor perhaps can . We have been ●● far from so Objecting , that we have still ke●● to it our selves , and rejected the contrary particularly in this very Controversie of the Resurrection . And I am willing to join issue wi●● him here , touching these very Notions he ha● so lately Broacht . Let him then give plain ev●dence from Scripture , and in Scripture Words a●● Terms , that God cloathed Man , after the Fall , with the Skin and Flesh of this frail , mortal and corruptible Body ; that there is a twofold Grave , one given by Man , the other given by God who may therein use the Ministry of Angels ; that it is to be bought of the Dust-Eater , the Devil , and the purchase 400 Vertues , answering to the four Elemental Principles , and the ten Commandments brancht forth into other ten ; that Man was not made of the common Dust of this visible Earth ; and that the Resurrection — Bodies were to be made of the same . He that is so tart upon others , let us see how he will come off himself ; for I demand Chapter and Verse for these Assertions of his . More I could instance in , but these lye next . As he had said , p. 27. It is not to be questioned , but the true Body of Man lieth within the Shell , Oar or Mine of this gross , heavy and corruptible Body , and that is it which shall be the Resurrection Body , at the Resurrection of the Dead . So now he saith , Though Man-Eaters may eat the gross Part of Mans Body , yet that more subtile and invisible Part , they cannot , nor can that which belongs to one be given to another : hence by way of Allegory and Metaphor , it is called Bone in Scripture , Isa . 66. 14. See p. 119. Query , What is that gross part , the Man-Eaters may eat ? Is it only the Belly , Guts and Draught , which p. 111. he tells us , Paul distinguisheth from the Body , saying , God will destroy the Belly , but he doth not say he will destroy the Body ? And what is the more subtile and ivisible Part ? Is it that very Numerical Body that dyeth ( without Belly , Guts and Draught ) which he saith elsewhere , Man was cloathed with after the Fall. Or is it that Body , which he pretends is proper to Man as Man , and received before the Fall ? Again , What is that Bone , he speaks of ? Is it the Bone LUZ , he hath talkt of ? Or what is it ? If he will needs set up for a new Sect , between the received Opinion of the same Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones rising , and our sticking to Scripture Words , that it is sown a natural Body , raised a spiritual Body , let him explain his terms . Now let us hear him upon a new Subject , having treated from p. 122. of the new Heaven● and new Earth , promised to the Saints , in p. 124. he saith , This new Earth is called Prov. 8. 26. The highest Part ( Heb. Head ) of the Dusts of the World. And Isa . 58. The high places of the Earth . All which ( he tells us ) cannot be understood of any visible places of the Earth [ Why so ? Because G. Keith saith it ? ] And that it is called , Prov. 8. The Head of the Dusts of the World , doth plainly Point at the Excellency of it , for as Man is called in Scripture the little World , and the whole Creature , so the World may be called , and is so called by some , a great Man. Now though the lower Parts of this great Man ( i. e. the World ) are visible to our carnal Eyes , yet the Head or chief Part of i● is invisible to us , and will be until we attain to our Resurrection Bodies , but with Eyes suitable to our Resurrection Bodies , we shall both see it , and find our selves in it , &c. See p. 124 , 125. [ And then tells us ] That in Scripture the Word Land or Earth — hath a Reference to a certain Place or Region , above the Globe of this visible Earth , whither the Body of Christ is ascended , and whither the Bodies of the raised Saints , at the Resurrection of the Dead shall ascend , &c. Answ . That Prov. 8. and Isa . 58. speak of the new Heavens , and the new Earth , he would enforce , Ibid. from the Terms high and highest Part of the Earth , alledging the visible Mountains are but like Moles in a Face , and from the Excellency of it . But what of all that ? The Hills are the highest places in respect of the Valleys , and a Mole in a Mans Face , is a rising there , and higher than the rest ? as well as that one part of the Earth excells another . Was not Canaan , the Land he had espied for Israel , the Glory of all Lands , Ezek. 20. 6. Or is there no transcendency , no excellency to be allowed to one part of the visible Creation before another , but we must needs confound it with the new Earth ? Again I observe that , with him , This new Earth is part of the old Earth , the lower Parts of this great Man ( the World ) are visible ; the other , the Head or Chief Part , invisible . Whence will he pretend to deduce his Proof hereof , viz. That the new Earth was part of the old ? Will he do it by plain evidence of Holy Scripture , and in Scripture Words and Terms , to which he said in p. 118. it is only safe to keep ? Or will he dig into the Ditch of that called Philosophy ( a Phrase of his own ) to make it out ? And whereas he tells us , that the Word Land or Earth in Scripture hath reference to a certain Place or Region , above the Globe of this visible Earth , whither Christ is ascended , and the Saints Bodies shall ascend , why doth he not give his Reader Chapter and Verse , where it is so said , that he may see whither cogent or aptly applied , or no ? From p. 125. to p. 127. he infers the long Life of those within the Millenium , or thousand Years , from Isa . 65. 20 , 21 , 22. saying p. 126. The Age of Men shall be exceedingly prolonged beyond what it is now , even as it was in that Time before the Flood [ Again ] Whereas it is promised , As are the Days of ● Tree , so are the Days of my People , I do well remember , that Justin Martyr , in his Dialogue with Tryphon the Jew , saith , ' That they should be read , As are the Days of the Tree of Life , so are the Days of my People which do relate to Adams Paradisical Estate before the Fall ( saith G. Keith ) for if Adam had not sinned , he had never dyed the Bodily Death , &c. p. 127. What is this but to confound long Life with Eternity , and that out of the same Text ? Especially considering , tha● in that very verse it is said , They shall not build and another inhabit : they shall not eat , and another plant ; for as the days of a Tree , are the days of my People , Isa . 65. 22. Doth he think what they built and planted while here , they should inhabit in , and eat of hereafter ? Looking back upon p. 126. towards the bottom , I find this Passage , viz. The raised Saints shall need neither Candle nor Light of the Sun , even to their bodily Eyes , as Adam , before his Fall needed no Light of the Candle , or of the Sun , &c. Answ . This ● gratis dictum that Adam , before the Fall , ●eeded not either Light of the Candle or Sun , ●or have we plain Evidence of Holy Scripture for ●● , or so much as Scripture Words or Terms , ●hich he , even now , said it is only safe to keep ●● . That the raised Saints , as to their bodily ●yes , shall not need it , is ejusdem farinae ; for ● is the Sight , so the Object : And it is not to ● questioned , but they shall be in as good a ●ondition , as ever Adam was before the Fall , ●●d may be inferred that their Opticks , if the ●me ( which lies upon him to prove ) will be as enetrating , as ever his were , before he fell . To an Objection , That ' As the Manna was not to be gathered on the Sabbath-day , &c. ●o in the Time of the 1000 Years , or great Sabbath — there is no possibility of Conversion to any , who have not been formerly con●erted [ he Answers ] It doth well enough prove , that there is no possibility of Conversion to any , who have formerly lived in the World , and neglected their Time of Grace and Salvation , which they once had — it is ●ain for any such to expect to live again , and ●ave another Time of Grace and Salvation , ●ut it doth not in the least prove that any ●uch , who have not at any Time formerly ●ived in the World , shall not have a Time of Grace , &c. This I bring as an Instance of his ●ning to the Notion of the Revolutionists , which he cares not publickly to own : But if he did not believe Men might come into the World again , he might have said so , in Termnis , and have answered the Objection directly without any Circumlocution . Nay he betrayeth what he had in reserve , in what follow where speaking of such as have been prevent from having the outward means of Salvation offered , he adds , that God doth well know to supply what is wanting to any Part of Mankind in such Ways and Methods , and by so means as Men cannot comprehend . Now having been positive in p. 44. That Eternal Land Salvation is ONLY to be had through ●● Faith and Knowledge of Christ crucified , &c. ● must mean by [ supply what is wanting ] so● Visitation or Means of imparting that Fai●● though the Modus , or Manner of doing it not exprest , which must be here by a renew● Visitation , and then it savours the Conceit the Revolutionists ; or hereafter , and then more than borders upon that of Purgatory . To his Notion , p. 152. of an outward ●●visible Antichrist , yet to come , who shall call himself the Christ and Messiah , and deceive many f● Christians and Jews . I Reply , He had bett●● look at home , for there Antichrist already ●● t●th and reigneth , even where Christ h●● fare ; and the House which was once sw● and garnished , is the unclean Spirit entre with other worse . His alledging , that None are truly a● properly Christians , but who are anoint● with some measure of that Heavenly An●●ing of the Holy Spirit , that cometh fro● Christ , which none receive but through the Faith of Christ crucified and raised again , p. 167. I oppose to his saying , Appendix to Immediate Revelation , p. 243. that true Religon and Christianity may subsist without the History of Christ in the Letter , having already made my Remarks thereon elsewhere . The next thing before me , is where he saith , We do not find , that God saw the second Days Work to be good , but it is said of all the rest , God saw that it was good , which may Mystically signifie unto us , the great Degeneration of Mankind in the second Age , p. 172. Answ . I thought all Gods Works had been good , the second as well as the seventh . Is he of another Mind ? Gen. 1. 31. tells us , God saw every thing that he had made , and behold it was very good , and adds , and the Evening and the Morning were the Sixth Day . So that very good is ascribed to the Six , which were in being and among them the second was one , not to the seventh for that was not yet in being , nor mentioned in that Chapter . Is it not enough for him to be self-inconsistent , but he must endeavour to render the great Creator so too ? Which must be , if he saw every thing that he had made to be very good , and had not seen the second Days Work to be so ? Well had it been for him , he could have taken the Counsel he is so ready to give , viz. Let none be hasty to embrace or reject any thing or things , that Men may bring forth as Openings or Discoveries of Divine Truth , beyond what is at present commonly made known ; for Sathan is not wanting to transform himself ; as if he were an Angel of Light and will be apt to intrude his Diabolical Suggestions and Devilish Doctrines , as if they were Divine Revelations , p. 159. Of wha● kind his are , they that walk in the Light , d● abundantly see and perceive , not without grie● on his behalf ; which that others also may see and avoid the snare he warns of , while he miserably plungeth himself into it , are these exposed . Thus Reader , hast thou presented unto thee as in a mirror or short Extract , some more o● G. Keith his Contradictions and Absurdities , a● promised in the Title , for thee to conside● from what Fountain they sprang , seeing the Apostle James saith , Doth a Fountain send forth at the same place , sweet and bitter , Chap. 3. ver 11. And now I shall consider his late Book , in Answer to Mine , called , The People called Quakers cleared by G. Keith , from the false Doctrines charged upon them by G. Keith , &c. wherein I had compared some of his Contradictions together . 3. Reply to G. Keith 's Book , Entituled , Antichrists and Sadducees detected , &c. While I was Revising G. Keith's Books , and digesting the Quotations for a further Service that might offer , knowing I had to do with a restless Adversary , who for all his pretences to want of Time and Ability of outward Estate , was uneasy under our Defences , out comes as Advertisement ( in a news Paper called Pegasus Numb . 14. ) subscribed , G. Keith , wherein he declares himself greatly injured , and badly and unjustly reflected on , in my Book entituled , People called Quakers cleared , &c. and gives notice that after our Answer to his late Narrative ( which he supposes , and might well suppose we would Answer ) he purposeth , God willing , to intimate another Meeting ( with leave of Authority ) at Turners-Hall , to Answer the Book , and detect ( as he saith ) the several gross Perversions and abusive Wrestings therein . But like a Man , that never knows how to hold long of one Mind , he at length puts it upon another ( tho' indeed more proper ) issue , where I now meet him . His Book , as by Title Page , is divided into three Parts , 1. An Answer to Caleb Pusey . 2. To me . 3. Postscript to the Pious and Learned in the Church of England , and among other Protestant Dissenters . I shall a little invert the Order , and begin with what affects my self , it being Relative to what precedes above , where having placed my Quotations according to their Dates and Pages , and the Title Pages of the Books in the Margin , the Reader may more easily recurr to them , when referred to in what follows . He begins with me , p. 21. and entitules that part , Some Remarks upon J. Penington 's late Book , Entituled , The People called Quakers cleared , &c. And G. Whitehead his Postscript , shewing some of their gross Perversions , falshoods and groundless Calumnies against G. Keith . The Charge is high , now let us see how the Proof will answer . To my saying , that to the Meeting he appointed ( at Turners Hall ) our Consent was neither sought nor made necessary , he answers , They got timely notice , a Month before hand , and were desired to be present . Ans . That proves not , that our Consent was either sought or made necessary , for upon the Publication of his Summons he leaves no room for that , but declares his full Intention to be there , and make good his Charge , whether we come or no ( see Advertisement , p. 2. ) nor doth his desiring us in former Prints , to consent to Time and Place , as alledged by him , evince that THIS Meeting was not appointed without our Consent sought or made necessary . What the Reasons of our refusal to meet him were , hath been already made publick , even by my self in my REFLECTIONS upon his Advertisment , whereto I referr , and proceed . To my telling him ( he saith their , in the Plural , as if he scorned to engage me single ) that two Books lye upon him unanswered , to which he gave grounds to expect an Answer , he saith , First , Some of their own Church have sufficiently answered to shew the badness of their Cause , in that censure they gave against T. Ellwood , &c. If this were true , that some had done so , for they are nameless , and at most give but their own Censure , and that but to a Passage or two , have they answered the Book in Print ? Or if they had , would that excuse G. Keith ? How willing is he to shift , when pinched , and to lay hold of any Twig , like a drowning M●n ( a Comparison he once used ) to evade making good his Charge ! But he hath a Secondly , viz. that he hath offered to Answer them Viva voce , at a Meeting , alledging there is no end of answering them in Print , that few will be at the Pains to compare Book with Book , and that the Charge is too great for him . But why did he begin then with Printing , and not rather have exhibited his Charge at first Vivâ voce , if he esteemed that the best Method of Debate ? But to do it now when he hath drawn us into the Press , and to expect we should do so too , is preposterous . Nay , why doth he now answer me in Print , seeing so few will be at the pains of comparing Book with Book , &c. as he alledgeth , and that he so lately proposed a Vivâ voce , vindicating himself against me , in his winged ADVERTISEMENT tagg'd to the Tail of Pegasus , but that he is so hampered with a bad cause , that he knows not which way to turn ? My Quotations , in the Book he now pretends to Answer , were 1. His vindicating our Principles from our common Adversaries . 2. His Contradictions in several Doctrinal Parts . To the first , he Answers , Such as I did think were their Principles , I did formerly vindicate . Nay , this will not shelter him , it was such as he KNEW to be so , and that from twenty eight Years Converse both Publick and Private , with the most Noted and Esteemed among them , in many Places of the World in Europe and America , as he told C. Mather ( and I cited him ) Serious Appeal , p. 7. And among the rest were some of those very Books of G. Whitehead and W. Penn , out of which he hath since pickt Quarrels , brought in his Book of The Christian Faith , &c. ●s Sound and Orthodox , and to convince our Opposers , that it is and hath been our constant and firm belief to expect Salvation by the Man Christ Jesus , that was outwardly Crucified at Jerusalem ( as in Title Page , and p. 16. ) So that he now freely acknowledging ( p. 22. of this Book ) his shortness and mistake , with respect to the Principles of the Teachers among the Quakers universally , and the Principles of G. Whitehead and W. Penn , as it is to introduce a slander , so i● of no weight . The like he had said , Exact Narrative , p. 61. and would have me to tak● that for an answer to my Book , called , An Apostate Exposed , but I shall not so excuse him but put him upon answering the Book . If tha● alone might have served , why did he not p●● me off so here , and give me no further answer to this Book of mine , I am now defending against his Remarks ? Nor was I most uncharitable to him in alledging ( as I did in my Last p. 10. and he in part Cites here ) that he manifested great hardness , who had so large , so long , so near and intimate Converse among Friends , now all of a sudden to give the lye t● all this , and deduce some of his pretended Probations , out of the Books he had so newly commended and recommended ? For that is a tr●● State of the Case . He goes on ( in said p. 22. ) maiming a Quotation of mine out of him , and then insulting over me . I had it thus , Seeing this true Faith is wrought in Gods ordinary way by Preaching , therefore the true Faith of Christ Death and Sufferings ought to be one of th● first and chiefest Things , that every true Minister ought to Preach [ there he stops with an , &c. but had he quoted the rest , his Cavil had been out of Doors , which was thus ] and build up his Hearers in , in order to bring them to Communion with God and Christ in Spirit , and that they may witness God and Christ to dwell in them . Upon this he vaunts , saying , It is my Lot to have to do with Men , that have neither so much true Logick , nor common Sense , as to understand what a true Contradiction is [ then descanting upon the Words ONE OF THE FIRST , he adds a little lower ] It is no Contradiction to say , G. Whitehead was one of the first Quakers — G. Fox was the first Quaker . Well , I hope before I have done with him further to manifest , as little as I pretend to Logick , that he hath really contradicted himself , and that not so much from the Words he so plaies upon , as upon what follow , viz. [ and build up his Hearers in Order to bring them into Communion with God and Christ , and that they may witness God and Christ to dwell in them ] If this be true , that the Faith of Christs Death and Sufferings is that which brings into Communion with God , &c. the building up therein , that whereby they witness God and Christ to dwell in them , then to be preached before the inward ; but if it be true , that the Knowledge of Christs inward coming is the more needful and in the first Place , as being that by which the true and comfortable use of his outward coming is alone sufficiently understood ; as he asserted , Way to the City of God , p. 3. and I cited him in my p. 12. Then the Inward to be Preached before the Outward . And this is a Contradiction . But for the better understanding of the Case , the Distinction betwixt General Religion and Christian Religion ( he saith ) is to be considered , which Distinction I have used ( adds he ) in my Book , called , Divine Immediate Revelation and Inspiration , &c. Answ . I am beholden to him for this Reference , out of a Book I had not read before ; for it not only helpeth me to fresh Passages in General , but even here it makes for me , not for him . For in p. 45. he saith , The Scriptures do witness abundantly concerning such an experimental and spiritually sensible Knowledge of God , which is perceived in a most inward Union and Communion of the Soul with God , and in a certain intellectual and spiritual Contact , or Touch , of which not only Plato and Plotin , and others among those called Philosophers , but the Apostles among the Christians , have largely made mention . Hence I query , What Religion theirs was , that of Plato , Plotin and the Heathen Philosophers ? General Religion , or the Christian Religion ? Again , what the most inward Union of their Souls with God , that spiritual Contact , or Touch , that spiritual , sensible Knowledge of God , he allows them to have witnessed ; was it with or without the Holy Ghost , seeing as yet Jesus was not so much as born in the Outward ? In p. 23. He saith , It most evidently appears from the express Words of my Book of Universal Grace , p. 120. That I did not then hold , that the Light within was sufficient to Salvation without any thing else , as without Christs outward Coming , &c. Answ . It will sufficiently appear , to them who duly consult the place , that ( even according to G. Keith ) the other Nations [ viz. the Gentiles ] were not destitute of the main and principal thing , even of the Manifestation of the Light and Spirit of the Son in their Hearts , and that those that did improve it , did both know the Lord and his Laws , and were JUSTIFIED through Faith in him , &c. And it will also appear to such as will cast an Eye upon what he hath said , no longer ago than in the Year , 1691. in his Presb. and Ind. Chur. p 116. that he then held , that It is no less than real Blasphemy , to say , that the Light within is not sufficient , to give that Knowledge of God that is necessary unto Salvation . Now if this doth not depretiate the blessed Effects of Christs outward Coming , when delivered by G. Keith ( which is the Scope of what he offers in the Page under my Consideration ) why must it be rendred so to do , when delivered ( as he suggests ) by us , except to gratifie his rancour , who will allow that Exposition to his own Words , he denies to others ? In page 24. He makes my Charge to be , That he did formerly hold that Christs inward coming saves , where the outward is unknown , in which he renders me guilty of gross Forgery and Perversion ( for he seldom Charges lower in any thing that affects himself ) of Forgery , seeing I cite no passage out of any of his Books , where he expresseth these words , Where the outward is unknown , &c. But is it Forgery to give his words without a Citation ? If so , it is his own beloved Crime . Yet had he but turned over the next Leaf in my Book , and minded what he read , he might have found , that I bring him in saying , The outward Coming , sufferings and Death of Christ , may have and hath a true and real influence , upon them who know it not expresly . Again , Why may not many receive an advantage by Christ , the second Adam's Obedience . even in the outward , who never knew it expresly , &c. This might have shut his Cavil out of Doors , had it not been so Natural to him to Wrangle . He adds , They ( for that is the word he useth , when he brings any thing out of my Book ) are guilty of grosly Perverting my words and sense , as if I did hold , that Christs inward coming saves , with Eternal Salvation , without all Knowledge of Christs outward coming . What means he by the tearm , Eternal Salvation ( which yet were none of my words ) are not all that are saved here , saved with Eternal Salvation ? Or must they be fitted in Purgatory , or in some other Revolution . ? But he is offended that the words explicit and implicit ( which I find not but in his late Books ) are by me called a late Distinction , saying , The place of his Book , cited by me , saith no such thing , yet acknowledgeth , that in divers of his late Books he hath distinguished betwixt the express and implicit Knowledge , &c. But hath he made that distinction formerly ? if not it is a late distinction : His alledging that it is implyed , that though not exprest , yet was really understood by him , is idle , for it is not what he understands , but what he gives us to understand , what he declares , that is properly called his Distinction . But he Vindicates it , as what all true and Orthodox Christians hold ( though he names none ) as well as infers it from Eph. 3. 6. Which is wide from the purpose . The Apostle tells , v. 5. That it was not made known as it is now . How ? Not expresly , but implicitely ? That he saith not , although G. Keith doth , who in p. 25. from Rom. 16. 25 , 26. queries , Now what is made manifest , but Express ? And what is kept secret , but Implicit ? So then , if the Reader would know what implicit means , G. Keith resolves him , it is what is kept secret . I thought it had not deserved to be called Knowledge , while kept secret , while not manifest , but that the opening , the unvailing , the revealing a thing gives me to know it ; but this Profound Mystick hath got a new knack of expounding words , and interpreting the Scriptures , as if Men were saved by a knowledge kept secret from them . He queries , Why will they not allow it ( the tearm implicit ) as well with respect to the knowledge of Christ without us , as of Christ within us ? Answer , I gave him no occasion thus to object , yet reply , because the knowledg of Christ within , is immediate , by a divine sensation ; the other not always so . Now from my following words , That G. Keith's distinction was to serve a turn ( which he falsly chargeth upon G. Whitehead , who was not concerned in my Book , otherwise than i● his Postscript , as if he thought me too mean to wreak his Spite at ) he falls upon G. Whitehead for excusing a passage of G. Fox's , which himself had defended , Serious Appeal , p. 60. And also others excusing Is . Penington saying Can outward Blood Cleanse ? The drift whereof is to prove , what we readily grant him that when our Friends sense hath been perverted , we have Distinguished . My Objection against him , was that his were not cogent will he Object the same , let him detect them as I have done his . Yet I cannot but take notice of that passage of my Fathers [ Can outward Blood Cleanse ? ] for it seems droppe● by him , as with a design of mischief . When I shall take occasion to add , That my Father denied not the attonement made by Christ offering up his Blood in the outward , to such as received him into their Souls , but acknowledged the remission of his Sins thereby , a● may be seen in his Book , stiled , Flesh and Blood of Christ , both in the Mystery , and in the outward &c. Printed in his works , Part. 2. p. 180. And that G. Keith well knew him to be a true believe in the Lord Jesus , and a sincere Lover of him even the Crucified Jesus , himself hath declared Serious Appeal , p. 25. Alike mischievous is he in Insinuating G. Whitehead his excusing Solomon Eccles his Blasphemy ( as he terms it ) in saying The Blood that came out of Christs Side , was no more than the Blood of another Saint . Though G. Whitehead sought to Evince that S. Eccles'● meaning was better than his words , yet he also declared , that he did not make S. Eccles's Expressions therein ( especially as Construed by our Adversaries ) to be an Article of our Faith ( See Light and Life , p. 59. ) To this , being formerly alledged by G. Keith , hath T. Ellwood answered in Truth Defended , p. 111. Which G. Keith takes no notice of , but renews his Slander , as if it had been new , so unfair an Adversary is he . From my arguing , That the word Express , ●s a word of Course with him , and of no force , from his using it , even with respect to Adams Posterity , suffering disadvantage by his Disobedience , who never knew it expresly , ●hat of them that knew it not at all , neither ●mplicitely nor explicitely , there have perished , ●e not only puts me upon the Proof , but re●●cts it as False and Fictitious , p 26. The which , ●lthough I account an impertinent Cavil , and ●emonstrative on its self , to any but a Captious ●erson ; yet from his asserting , Universal Grace , ● 117. That the knowledge of Christ in the outward , is not of necessity unto Salvation , save only ●here it is revealed , I argue , How much less ●ecessary then is the knowledge of the first Adam's coming in the outward , to man's Dam●ation ? Must the Deaf and Dumb , who Die ●n penitent , needs have a discovery from God ●ther explicitely or implicitely , that Adam had ●inned , in order to their Condemnation ? Or it not sufficient , that they have Transgres●d the Holy Law in themselves ? That they themselves have Sinned ? To enforce it , he adds , That it is evident from the Heathen Philosophers writings ( who ? and where ? ) and particularly from Plato ( where ? ) that they knew , at least implicitely , the Fall of Man , &c. Supposing this to be true of SOME , what follows ? That they ALL knew it ? Surely not so : Therefore let him , who is so brisk upon me for a Proof , calling my assertion False and Fictitious , prove his own , viz. That all knew it , either explicitely or implicitely . He adds , How can any impartial Reader that Reads my Books , when I so oft restri● the Words with the Terms , Express , cledistinct Knowledge , Historical , outward Knowledg● ( And so he leaves his Sentence imperfect wit● a fally , to tell how intimate R. B , and ●● were , what Discourses they had , &c. A● which , as they bespeak his Vanity , and seen introduced to get an esteem to his Cause , from the Credit of such a Collegue , so they depending upon no better evidence than his own have no weight with me ) To the other I answer , what occasion he had to use these words I know not , but it might be the Terms of hi● Opponent , to which he , as Respondent was tyed for I find it was so , with respect to R. Gord● who had that word [ Express ] as well as i● that of Universal Grace . From G. Keith his acknowledging , that many of them who knew something of Christ outward coming , that it was very darkly , a● under Vails and Figures , and his having e●cepted others , the many thousands , he saith were saved before Christs coming in the outward , and my thence inferring , There is no medium between knowing very darkly in Vails and Figures ( implicitely in a very obscure degree . ) And not knowing at all , as in my p. 15 He to confute any Ignorance ( for he calls it both Nonsensical and Ignorant ) saith , Is there no Medium between knowing very darkly , and not knowing at all ? Is the Particle or little word [ very ] Superlative in the highest Degree ? Or is it not rather Comparative ? Is there no Medium betwixt a Mans being very Ignorant , and knowing nothing at all ? Answer , I know no difference betwixt being very Ignorant , and knowing not at all , nothing of that whereof he is very Ignorant : For where 's the middle between knowledge that is very dark , and not knowing at all ? The knowing a thing very darkly and under Vails and Figures , being the lowest degree of knowledge , as well as the lowest means of knowing , the next step is not knowing at all . That is implicit knowledge in the remotest sense ; what is below this , is Ignorance : But Envy and Malice is worse than both . For he is not satisfyed with filing it upon my Score only , but he must render it as G. Whitehead's Logick , who hath either writ this Book , that I answer , saith G. Keith , or approved it , and Concludeth , Therefore G. Whitehead is as Ignorant in true Logick , as in true Divinity . Answer , If I had committed a trip ( which he hath not proved against me , for all his bluster ) what is that to G. Whitehead's Logick or Divinity ? Is he so Hawk-eyed , as no false Logick can scape him , but he can espy at once hearing a Book Read , for a second G. Whitehead had not till it came in Print ? O● is he not rather herein like Hamman , wh● thought scorn to lay Hands on Mordecai alone , bu● sought to destroy all the Jews ? Esth . 3 , ● And yet at last , the passage remains sound and unshaken , notwithstanding all his Cavils . To prove Forgery and Perversion upon me for making him say , Men have been saved without the express Knowledge of Christs outward coming , but not of his inward coming , he saith , Many have felt and enjoyed the Blessed Vertue and Power of Christ , within them , and so have ha● an implicit Knowledge of it , &c. He that reflected upon G. Whitehead's Logick and Divinity , even now , what is become of his own ▪ Is the Knowledge received by Divine sensation , the knowing the Vertue and Power o● Christ to save from Sin , by its Vertuous and Powerful operation in them , an implicit knowledge ? Is knowing a Tree by its Fruits , a● express or implicit Knowledge , that it is good ▪ But he renders it implicit , because not know● by the express Names of Jesus and Christ . Answer , They knew the thing expresly , the outward name not at all , not so much as implicitely ; They knew that which saved , but it is not the meer outward Name , that saves , said G. Keith , Universal Grace , p. 115 In the next place let us hear his Appeal to the School-Boys , it is to be hoped his own Scholars will give it for him . Let any Shcol-Boy , or Tyro , or Person of common sense , Judge , saith he , p. 27. ) if these two Propositions , The express Knowledge and Faith of Christ is not necessary to all that shall be saved ; Some Knowledge and Faith of Christ , is necessary to all that ●●all be saved , be Contradictory . Answer , He ●aries the Terms to mislead his Reader ; in ●e one he hath it , the Express knowledge , in ●e other some knowledge , and the word express ●●ft out . However his own Scholars might ●verlook this , perhaps being taught no better , ●t least from their Masters Example , yet with confiderate Men this will gain him no Cre●●t . For would he have beeen fair , he should wholly have left out [ Express ] in the first ●● inserted them in both . But I shall state ●e Case , de novo , and that more agreeable to ●s own Positions , whether to say , True Religion and Christianity may subsist without the knowledge of Christ in the Letter , and to say , Faith Christ Jesus , as he came without us in the Flesh , ●●d Died , &c. Is necessary to make a true Christian , be Contradictory . And I the rather put for that he hath Galloped from p. 15. to p. 23. my Book , and left several citations of mine , ●●d these two just now cited ( which were in ●● p 20. and p. 21. ) behind him . A demonstrati●● he cared not to cope with them , but had rather catch at a passage , mistate it , and so go off . To my citations out of two of his former ●●oks ( where he allowed , that the true and ●NLY Method to bring People into the Faith ●● acknowledgment of the Christian Religion , was first to inform them of an universal in●●rd Principle , which would , when this Foundation was laid , bring them to own the Scripture and what Christ did and suffered , &c. And tha● the contrary was not good order and method ) he grants it here p. 27. but with a reserve and limitation , saying , What is necessary in the first place , to be Preached to them that hav● little or no true Knowledge of God , or of an inward Principle , is one thing ; and what is first to ●● Preached in order to bring Men to the Christian Faith and Religion more immediately and pro●●mately , is another . Answer , When he said ( ●● I cited him in my p. 23. ) This is the tr●● method and order , which the Lord h●● taught us to hold forth unto People — ●● the first place to point and turn their min● unto the Light of Jesus Christ , &c. Again my p. 24. It is for want of this true order in Preaching of the Gospel , that m●● have had so little success hitherto , &c. W●● he writing to some Preachers , that were ●●ing into the Indies , among the Heathen , or ●● his own Country-Men , that lived among ●● Did we hold it forth , to be Preacht in ●● first place , with a restriction to those pa●● of the World , where the outward was ●● revealed , or indefinitely ? Besides , if to ●● Gentiles it was to be Preached in the first pla●● as that which would give them the knowledge of the outward , why not to the Christia● who are attained to a belief of the outwards yet too many undervalue the inward , seei●● such as have had a belief of the outward , w●● be confirmed therein by the inward , as w●● as others taught it , who had not known it befo●● even as himself hath confessed . He conculdes , What do my Adversaries bring against me on this Head , to prove my self Contradiction ? Nothing at all ( saith he ) therefore they shew themselves stronger in falsly accusing , than in justly proving , adds he . Answer , Had he not been stronger in falsly accusing , then became him , he had not thus falsly accused me : For I proved his self-Contradiction , and told him where , viz. In Nameless Bull , p. 10. 11. Which I had quoted before , in my p. 11. It is true , I did not there give the words at length ( having done it before ) but I gave the Title and Page of his Book , and referred to my having already given it , in that very Book . So that he hath Slandered me wittingly . In p. 29. of my Book , I compared his saying , It is not the meer outward name that saveth , but the Life , the Power of Christ that quickens , cleanseth and purifieth , & by this they might be saved , for it is the Life that saveth , Rom. 5. 10. With a Friends saying , as himself gives it , that the Blood which cleanseth from all Sin , was the Life , and the Life was the Light , which he then termed a perverse Exposition , and called the Friend , Bold , Ignorant Soul , and I deemed as authentick , as G. Keith his saying the same . Under this he is uneasy , and having skipped many pungent places , from p. 25. to 29. to come at it , whereto he forgets ever to return , such a Slippery Adversary have I to deal with , he Labours as to justify his own , so to brand the Friends words . For himself he pleads , p. 28. He doth not in the least Remember , that ever he gave that Exposition on 1 Jo. 1. 7. And perhaps , when Examined , the Friend may say , He doth not in the least remember , he ever did so . But hath G. Keith never unduly applyed places of Scripture , to defend things that were Truths , but did not really prove these Truths , either by express Words or proper Consequence ? Let him Consult what himself hath acknowledged , True Copy , p. 18. If so , why so harsh upon the Friend ? Had he then retracted those Errors ( or hath he done it yet ? ) when he fell so roughly upon the other ? Or hath he forgot what Christ said to such an one ? Thou Hypocrite , First cast out the Beam out of thy own Eye , &c. Matt. 7. 5. Thus much o the exposition , Now to the Doctrine it self . Is it true Doctrine that the Life Cleanseth ? G. Keith hath said it ; the Friend hath said it . Charity makes the best Construction : But G. Keith's Charity begins at home , and ends there too , for he reserves none for his Neighbour . If I had said nothing but the Life within saveth or cleanseth from all Sin , they might have justly so argued ( saith G. Keith on his own behalf ) if the Friend had said nothing , but the Life within saves , &c. G. Keith might have justly so argued , say I. He goes on , There are several Concurrent Causes in the great Work of our Salvation , and cleansing from Sin , which though agreeing in one Harmony , yet one Cause is not the other , therefore their Argument is Vain and False . Answer , Argument I made none , but comparison of sentence with sentence , nor do I yet see wherein the Friend could be unfound , if G. Keith be found , for this explication is as applicable to the one as to the other . My quoting him , [ Though Prophets and Apostles preached him [ Christ ] as in the form of a Man , yet they Preached him also , and that more generally , as a Light to the Gentiles , yea and to Jews also ] he terms a false and perverse sense , upon the word more generally , as if he did signify by it , more frequently , which ( he saith ) he did not , but by more generally , that he did and doth understand that his inward appearance was more general than his outward , therefore what was in it self more general , they Preacht to be so : And then tells us , how much oftner they Preached his outward than inward appearance , wherein he saith not true . Now that this is a false Gloss , and shews he wants Sincerity , the words and his sense then plainly intimating that more generally had relation to Preaching not appearance will appear upon consulting the place , Light of Truth , p. 16 , 17. In order whereto , let us recur to the Spring , to the Objection his Adversary raised , which was not that Christs inward appearance was more general than his outward , but that our saying ( as the place hath it ) That Christ was sometimes Preached as Crucified , to the Jews , but MORE GENERALLY a Light to the Gentiles , inferred two Christs , which G. Keith tells him is a most pitious and abominable wresting of those words , and that though the Prophets and Apostles preached him , as in the form of a Man , yet they Preached him also , and that more generally as a Light to the Gentiles , yea and to the Jews also . Here is never a word ( either in Opponent or Respondent ) that his inward appearance was more general than his outward , that what was in it self more general they Preached to be so ( which G. Keith would now foist in ) but as the SOMETIMES related to his being Preached as Crucified , to the Jews , so the MORE GENERALLY as a Light to the Gentiles , was also restricted to the so Preaching him , yet with this addition that G. Keith then allowed it , yet further , that it was more generally Preached to both Jew and Gentile . A Contradiction had been more excusable , than such a deceitful Cover . His Secondly cites no Page of mine in particular , but hath a general reference from p. 15. to 33. ( which gives him scope , to skip as he pleaseth ) They perversly infer , saith he , from my words , that whereas I formerly made the knowledge and Faith of the History of Christs outward coming , not Essential to Religion , now I did make it Essential . This he accounts Palpable Forgery , denies any of the citations I bring prove it , and at last recurs to his late distinction of implicit Knowledge and Faith. But this is a meer begging of the question , that who were saved by the inward , had ALL of them the implicit Faith and Knowledge of the outward , not brought till of late , whatever he pretend of his understanding it so all a long , and is impugned by me , p. 14 , 15. particularly from Luke 24. 10 , 11. From whence I again argue , That the Disciples themselves were so far from having an implicit Faith in Christ , that he should Dye and rise again , that they disbelieved it , It seemed to them as idle Tales , and they believed them not , and that even after he had sent them out two and two , and the Devils had been subject to them , Chap. 10. ver . 1 , and 17. If the Reader be disposed to cast an Eye back to my p. 15 , to p. 33. he will yet more evidently see , I have not wronged him , and perhaps be convinced wherefore G. Keith dropped them . To his Thirdly , Wherein he repeats his Notion concerning Cornelius , not having the Holy Ghost in his Gentile-State , &c. as it hath been largely treated of , in this very Tract , under my first Head , I referr thereto : Yet he persisting p. 29. to deny the Holy Ghost is in Wicked Men , or the pious Gentiles , and that none have it but Believers in Christ crucified , and yet acknowledging the Word near to be Christ , an Administration of the Gospel to be given in all Ages of the World , the Spirit the same , the Rule the same , the Faith the same , ( see Universal Grace , p. 8. Immediate Revelation , p. 107 , 108. Truths Defence , p. 70. forecited ) shews he would divide Christ from his Spirit , and is contradictory . A further instance whereof take out of his Book of Divine Immediate Revelation , p. 63. where he saith , Cornelius received the Spirit immediately and yet obtained it FURTHER by means of Peter's Preaching : Whereas now he denieth he had the Holy Ghost in his Gentile-State : But it is become habitual to him , since he turned from Truth , to contradict himself and his former Writings . To my Question , Whether any Prayer is heard by God , but what is put up by his Spirit ? He Answers , Nay , but Servants and Pious Gentiles , such as Cornelius was in his Gentile-State , may be and are helped to Pray by the Spirit , having the influence of the first Ministration of the Spirit , which though remotely Preparatory , yet doth not instate the Soul into Union with the Spirit , &c. Whence had he this ? Or how doth he prove , that Mens Souls are not in Union with the Spirit , when helped to pray by the Spirit ? Surely , as there are Degrees of Ministration , so there are Degrees of Union , and Degrees of Acceptance , Diversities of Gifts , but the SAME Spirit , 1 Cor. 12. 4. But he goes on , And were not my Adversaries extream blind and ignorant , they might understand how the Apostle calleth one and the same Spirit , the Spirit of Servitude , and the Spirit of Adoption , Rom 8. 15. Doth he bring this for or against himself ? If the Spirit , in the Son and the Servant , be one and the same Spirit , it must be the Holy Spirit : It is Everlastingly Holy in its self , Holy in every Operation and Ministration in Man ; but in Degree , the Administrations differ , the Law must be passed under , before the Sonship is known ; it is the Spirit of Holiness in every step , so denominated from its Effects , though the Sonship is not the first step . He goes on , These Mens arguing that Men may be Eternally Saved , &c. who have no Faith or Knowledge of Christ without them , do sufficiently declare what Heathens they are , and of what little value they make the Faith and Knowledge of Christ Crucified , and that their Religion is nothing but Deism , &c. Answ . We do not believe that , that Faith is not necessary to Salvation to us , to whom the means of knowing it , is offered , but the contrary : But that , where it is not revealed , it is not of Necessity unto Salvation , G. Keith hath granted . There it is more than Deism , yea Christianity , for believing in the Light , they do believe in Christ . See Universal Grace , p. 117. and p. 30. In his Fourthly , he cites a Passage of mine imperfectly , out of Rector Corrected , p. 150. and then makes his flourish . To a Question of the Rector of Arrow , whether the Light within sufficiently tells us , that the Messiah is come , born , had real Flesh , dyed , &c. G. Keith Answers , that it doth teach , That there is a God that created all things , that he is most Holy , Just , and Wise , a plentiful Rewarder of them that fear him , &c. and that these are AS NECESSARY Truths as any , &c. ( See my p. 22. ) Upon this I argued ( and G. Keith hath dropt both Quotation and Argument ) If the Holy Ghost be given ONLY to the one Faith , not to the other , surely that one Faith must needs be the most necessary Faith. Now to the other part [ that many , who never had the Scriptures , yet if faithful to the Light , whether they have not been accepted , have not believed in the Light , by believing in Christ , who is the Light ] he queries , But where is my Contradiction here ? Answ . Even in what I have cited above , and he hath craftily left out . He goes on , Did I ever say , That Men may believe in the Light , or Christ within , and never at any Time , from first to last believe in Christ without , either explicitely or implicitely ? For this they bring no Proof , and I believe they cannot , saith he . Answ . It was not the Rectors Question , Whether they that dyed without it , and had it not at first , should have it at last , in some other Revolution ? Perhaps neither of them dreamt of that Distinction , when the Book was wrote . Nor whether they should have it explicitely or implicitely , but whether the Light doth sufficiently tell it ? He should in his Answer have made that Distinction , if he would have it allowed him now ; but instead of that , to an indefinite Question , he gives an indefinite Answer , asserting there are Truths as necessary that it doth teach , and that they that believe in the Light [ believe these necessary Truths thus revealed ] believe in Christ , and are accepted . I having in my p. 25 , 26. cited G. Keith [ That Eternal Life and Salvation is only to be had through the Knowledge and Faith of Christ Crucified — that this Faith is indispensibly necessary to all — The Work of Sanctification ascribed in Scripture to Christs Blood and Sufferings , as well as to his inward Appearance , and to both indispensibly necessary , and to Faith therein . ] I opposed them , p. 26 , to 31. to his former sayings , G. Keith giving the go-by to the rest , toucheth upon this Passage [ The Work of Sanctification , &c. ] Thus we see plainly ( saith he p. 30. ) they place ALL upon Christ within , and NOTHING upon Christ without , and adds , O bold Antichristianism , & c ! But he sees amiss , I did not here give Mine or my Friends Sentiments either way ( that I had done before , p. 11. ) but opposed G. Keith to G. Keith : Yet may now tell him , We do not place all upon Christ within , nor all upon Christ without ; we do not divide Christ , but believe it was necessary that he should come , as well as that it was afterwards expedient , he should go away , and that the belief of both is a Duty , even in order to Salvation , where the means of having it , are afforded . And himself hath said , The Knowledge of Christs coming in the outward , is not of necessity to Salvation , save only where it is revealed : Which as it was one of the places among many other I cited ( see my p. 30. ) in Contradiction to the three Passages above ; so had he no Reason to say here , But wherein I have contradicted that Assertion , they shew not ; for I both shewed and directed my Reader to fourteen contradictory Assertions out of his Book of Universal Grace , from my p. 26 , to 31. and declared p. 26. ( immediately after the Quotation he brings ) that I so brought them . In his Sixthly , he creeps in at the Tail of a Citation of Mine [ Nor is the outward Name that which saveth , but the inward Nature , Vertue , &c. ] thus , But they no where shew how I contradict this . Answ . That is false , for it is one of these fourteen I mentioned even now . He goes on , I say still , it is not the outward Name either of God or Christ , that saveth without the inward Nature , Vertue and Power , which dwelt and dwells in all fulness in the Man Christ Jesus , &c. Here he falsifieth his own Quotation , as if there were no difference between saying , It is not the outward Name that saveth , BUT the inward Nature , &c. and saying , It is not the outward Name that saves WITHOUT the inward Nature , &c. So little doth he regard , what becomes a fair Adversary . Had he took my Sentence entire his Contradiction had been obvious . In Order to clear an Objection himself had raised , That there can be no Justification without Faith in Christ , but these Gentiles had not Faith in Christ , therefore , &c. he Answers by denying the second Proposition , thus , If they did cleave unto , and believe in the Light they believe in Christ , for he is the Light nor is the outward Name that which saveth but the inward Nature , Virtue and Power signified thereby ; which was made manifest in them , &c. So that here he ascribes Salvation in these Gentiles to the inward Work , who , according as stated on the Objection , were supposed not to have Faith in Christ , but they believing in the Light , he saith , they have , and so contradicts that other saying , alledged above , that the Faith of both the inward and outward coming , is indispensibly necessary to all . He often laies to my Charge , that I bring no place to prove where he contradicts himself ; but that is not true : He leaps over my Proofs , that he may not see them , picking here and there a Passage , in reading over many Pages , and perhaps chuseth such , as lye most remote from my comparing , wherein the Contradiction lies . So here ( in his Seventhly ) upon my quoting him , That these Gentiles ( he leaves out , who did call upon the Name of the Lord , and were saved , and adds , which was not there , had the Gospel Preached unto them , who goes on ) were not under any outward Administration of the Gospel : And then alledgeth , I bring no place to prove where he contradicts this Assertion . I will tell him , Let him ●ut read two Lines further , and it will direct him , where , viz. in Truth Advanced , p. 70. But guess , I ken his meaning , why he left out [ did ●all upon the Name of the Lord ] and put ●n [ had the Gospel preached unto them ] viz. that he might hook in the next Citation of Mine , which more touched him , without a particular Reply . For this was but a Proem to that , ●here from the Apostles saying , They have not I obeyed , I shew he allows the very Gospel hath ●een Preached unto all , otherwise ( saith he ) they ●ould never have been charged with not having obeyed it : And upon that , I put him to prove , ●hat the History of Christs Birth , Crucifixion , &c. was ever preached to all , either explicite● or implicitely , seeing he saith , the very Go●pel hath been ; and secondly , that such recei●ed not the Holy Ghost , as in p. 28. of Mine , ● this like a Man ? Or a Scholar ? And that to ●●e he so vndervalues , as having neither true ●ogick , nor common Sense ? And whereas he ●n Answer to the jumbled Quotation he brings ) ●lledgeth that the former Distinction will serve ●re , of express and implicite , this is to affirm , ●ot prove . If Time or Ability had not failed ●im , surely it behoved him to have done it . What he would have to be Noted , as if the ●ain Branch of the Question were , of the Necessity of our Faith in Christ crucified to our Salvation who are professed Christians , I do note , as a notable slander , for Proof whereof he referring n● to his own Evidence ( some where or other in his Exact Narrative , for he tells us not where ) I Answer , I doubt not , but if there , the Reader will find it replied to , in the Answer to the Narrative . How the most pious and upright among the Gentiles were saved by Faith in Christ Crucified , wh● had not Faith outwardly Preached , he now say may be one of these Secret things that belong to God and not to us , till he please to reveal it . Wh● doth he meddle with them then , and prov● quarrelsom about it ? Why seek to comprehen● it , and describe it , by the City of Refuge , & ● where he tells us , they are shut up as in a Custody or Safeguard , till the Faith come to be revealed ? But this 't is to hold Notions , a Madares not defend . In his Eighthly , he brings me in thus quoting him , He [ Christ ] left not the other Nations destitute of the main and principal Thing , eve● the Manifestation of the Light , &c. [ I adde● there , which would have given them the Knowledge of God , and of all his Laws and Statutes ne●● ful to be known by them ] Hereupon he Paraphr● se●h upon his own Words , main and principal thing , 〈◊〉 think , he meant the Light within , compared with Christ without , he tells us , we deceive our selves . Answ . That it was such a Manifestation as gave the Knowledge of God , and of all his Laws and Statutes needful to be known by them , are his own Words . And seeing the● were destitute of something , what was that they had not , and now have not , whence they are denominated Gentiles ( that which he queried upon ( as I instanced in my p. 31. ) seeing it hath been so in Times past , why may it not be so now ) but even that which we have , from whence we are denominated Christians ? From my Book he sallies to G. Whitehead's Postscript , whither I now follow him . His Notion of the Revolutions I had deduced from what himself had laid down in his Book , called , Truth Advanced : The same G. Whitehead charges upon him from Personal Conference ; to which in general G. Keith replies by referring to his Book , called Truth and Innocency Defended ( wherein the Reader may find he is rather Evasive than plain ) and to his Appendix to the General History of the Quakers , without citing any Passage out of them , and then excepts against G. Whitehead's Evidence , from his Words , If I mistake not , adding in a Scoff , Is this like Infallible George Whitehead ? See p. 31. To which I Answer , The Words having been spoken about twelve Years ago , it became not G. Whitehead to be over Positive , as to every Circumstance , as whether it was the first Point in difference betwixt them , whether the Transmigration was to be of all Souls , or of some of them , and how many particular Scriptures he argued from , &c. but as to the Main he is Positive , I am sure , saith G. Whitehead , he argued for that Notion ( of the Revolution of Humane Souls ) in a Book of his in Manuscript ; which he shewed me before he went over into America , that he then disswaded him fr●● Printing it , and withal that G. Keith told him since his return , he had brought it over with him , as in said Postscript , p. 50 , 51. So that G. Keith's flourish is very Empty and Idle , G. Whitehead's Evidence being in so many respects full and positive . He goes on , If such a Manuscript were such a Crime in G. Keith , to render me an Apostate [ I find no ground he hath so to suggest ] and gone from Truth , why did not G. Whitehead give me Gospel Order , & c ? Answ . I do not find but he did give Private Admonition , and tha● it had that Effect , as to disswade him from Printing it . But that every Error in Judgment should Anathematize a Man , and render his no Brother , especially while kept Private and not Divulged , he may see is not our way , by the friendly Correspondence afterwards hel● between G. Fox , G. Whitehead and him , which although he now make so ill an use of , as if i● were Hypocrisy in them , so to do , as to excu●● his late calling G. Whitehead , Dear Geo. Whitehead , even when his Heart was not with him and his Brethren , but he had broke out int● Enmity and Prejudice ; yet are not the Case Parallel . But leaving G. Whitehead a while , let me return a little to the Book , saith G. Keith , which shews , he assigns the Book to another Author notwithstanding his former laying it to G. Whitehead . That which comes next is this Whereas G. Keith in an Answer to an Objection , that Adam dyed not that Day that he s●●ned , &c. had alledged , that Adam not living a ●●●pleat thousand Years , which in Scriptures signifies sometimes a Day , Psalm 90. It may be said , he lived not a whole Day , I replied , That this is a Principle of the Revolutionists is plain to all that know their Principles , and that it is his , is also manifest [ there G. Keith stops , but I go on ] in that he gives it as one of the Answers to the Objection . Upon this he Vaunts , saying , p. 32. What lame Evidence and Argument is this ? And then tells us , Justin Martyr , and many others , Worthy , Antient and Late Christian Writers held , that a thousand Years in Scripture sometimes signifie a Day ( which they might for ought I know , for he thinks it enough to assert , without directing us , where to find it ) and at length gives us the same from Scripture . But all this will not help him , the Question is not whether a thousand Years doth not in Scripture sometimes signifie a Day ; but whether it did so in that Place , where it is said to Adam , In the Day that thou eatest thereof , thou shalt surely dye ; and whether giving that Interpretation there to that Objection , did not involve him , in the Notion of the Revolutionists , who so construe the Place , and therefrom labour to defend their Notion . Though he like not to be esteemed a favourer of Revolutionism , ( telling us in the last Line of this Page , his not daring to defend it , did not proceed from fear of being defamed , but seeing he pretends to no such Assurance in the Case , &c. ) Yet would he fain perswade us , we make Paul and Beza alike guilty in the Case of the Revolutions , if the Words of Paul , Gal. 3. 22 , 23. be but well considered . Answ . That that Place speaks of a State after Death , doth not appear , ●● G. Keith doth , in saying , So that had they dyed in that State , they could not have perished , even as the Man-slayer was safe in the City of Refuge ; ( Thus in my p. 33. I quoted him out of Truth Advanced , p. 43. ) On the contrary the Author to the Hebrews saith , As i● it appointed unto Men once to dye , but after this the Judgment , so Christ was once offered , Heb. 9. 27 , 28. So have I answered one Scripture by another . And now he need not say ( as he here doth , p. 33. ) Suppose that twelve Years ago I was in an Error , will that prove that I hold them still ? For his holding them still is proved by other Mediums , of which the Instance above i● one . Nor yet hath he cause to suggest , that it is too probable if G. Whitehead could have revealed any secret ; that would have taken away his Life , he would have done it : For that is but a malicious Insinuation , what G. Whitehead declared being now no secret in it self , nor was it probable that what G. Keith communicated to him , and designed to Print , was imparted as a Secret. Now we are come to my Fourth Head , of Christ and the Saints glorified Bodies , wherein I opposed G. Keith's Notion in Truth Advanced , p. 111. saying , Paul distinguisheth between the Belly and the Body , saying , God will destroy the Belly , but he doth not say , he will destroy the Body , for seeing after the Resurrection of the Dead , Men shall need none of the Meats of this corruptible World , nor shall they need a Belly to put them in , as Guts and Draught , or any gross Parts , as Men have ●ow . This I represented as a very carnal Conception of the Resurrection , and opposed to his former Sentiments , wherein he declared the glorified Bodies both of Christ and the Saints to be wholly Spiritual . For indeed what Analoge is there between a spiritual Body , and that Body which is not to be destroyed , but only the Belly , Guts and Draught of it ? Herein he seems well-deserving the Character of a Carnal Conceiver , which I fastned on him , and this Answers G. Keith's Query , Do these Words prove that I have Carnal Conceptions of the Resurrection , like those Sadducees ? To the second , Did not the Sadducees altogether deny the Resurrection ? I Answer , Yes : Yet the Idea they conceived thereof , in such as did believe it , was very carnal , witness their Instance in the seven Men that married one Woman : But upon a groundless Presumption , that I had inferred his saying , that Men should have Belly , Guts and Draught after the Resurrection , which I never intended , he bestows his vulgar Rhetorick of Perversion and downright Forgery upon me , then refers p. 34. to his Book called Truth Advanced , which I am willing enough the Reader should see , for there he will find more of the same Leaven , and lastly his Answer to the Bishop of Aberdeen's queries , which was Extant as he saith , thirty Years ago . Answ . His former Sentiments therein being sound , ( if they were so ) doth not prove his latter were so : But that he hath contradicted himself , in this and other particulars , is too notorious , I doubt not , to such as have read my former , and 〈◊〉 read these . The next thing is concerning Water-Baptism and the Supper , wherein I shewed , tha● one while he pretended to be moderate in his Judgment concerning them , another while represented the● as abolished Shadows , and leg● Rites buried , and not to be raised up again , as i● my p. 35 , to 42. More Instances I could give but I reserve them till further Service calls fo● them , these being shifted by him ; though upon occasion of my opposing some of his Queries ( in Truth Advanced , p. 183 , 184. ) t● his declared contradictory Sense formerly ●● alledgeth , that they were simply proposed by hi● as Queries , and plainly distinguished from Positions , and that at Turners-Hall some made the excuse , They did but Query . Answ . That Account or Narrative of what passed at Turners-Hall , being given by himself , who is a Party and none of the fairest Adversaries , I dare not confide in , and therefore apply my self to himself thus , That if I did believe he would deny there were affirmative Interrogatives , Queries in the Nature of Affirmations , I would hunt for a passage I lately saw in a Book of his , that would give it against him . For that these were so , coupled with Positions , not distinguished from them , is plain in that they were proposed , as tending to Love , Peace and Unity among the Sincere Professors of the Lord Jesus Christ ( see Truth Advanced , p. 173. ) which if he will not be bound by , what are they brought for , or what a slippery Chapman will these Men have of him ? But to go on , from his adding of these Sincere Professors , that they held the Head , and Build on the true Foundation , and yet differ in some lesser Matters : I observed , that at the same Time no Epithets were ( with him ) black enough upon his quondam Friends , whom he sometimes boasts he hath been upwards of thirty Years amongst . G. Keith taking hold of that Passage [ hold the Head , and build on the true Foundation ] and giving the other the slip , renders us so unchristianly uncharitable ( as he saith , we too evidently shew we are ) as to judge none in Christendom differing from us in Profession , hold the Head , or are Sincere Professors of the Lord Jesus Christ , but we only . But he runs too fast , and in his Prejudice outruns himself . We do not so judge , though he , while so unchristianly uncharitable ( they are his own Words ) to his quondam Friends , and yet seeking to claw with others , that he might Nest somewhere , deserved that rebuke . Now let us hear what a kind of Retractation he makes . The Reader may perhaps expect some great matter , if he be enformed , what large Notice he hath given before hand , above a twelve Month ago , and how he bespoke his own Praise in the being free to do it . For in his Book , called , True Copy ( Dated in the third Month , 1695. ) in Order to introduce what he called , A short List of the Vile and gross Errors of G. Whitehead , J. Whitehead , W. Penn , &c. he freely acknowledgeth , that upon a review of his former Books of Immediate Revelation , Universal Grace , Rector Corrected , and Truth defended , he hath found some Passages and Words , that not only need some further Explanation , but even in some Part an Emendation and Correction : And thanks Almighty God , that has not only given him to see them , but has given him that Humility of Heart , Love to Truth , and regard to the Salvation of Souls , that he can freely both acknowledge and correct his former Mistakes , after the example of some worthy Ancients , True Copy , p. 17. What could be expected from hence , but something besides flourish , from such as did not know G. Keith , especially considering he hath took Time for it ? All he gives is this , I am not ashamed ( says he here , p. 34 , 35. ) to own my general Mistakes , I have been under , concerning divers Places of Scriptures , particularly Relative to Water-Baptism and the Supper , as Mat. 28. 19. and 1 Cor. 11. 26. And some other Places of Scripture , relative to some other Matters , especially in the Misapplication of some Places , to prove certain Truths , which these Places did not prove — And I am so far from being ashamed to Publish this Confession , that I have great Peace and Joy in it . Answ . This Confession is as Lame , as he pretends in another Place G. Whitehead's Evidence to be ; but two particular Scriptures named , the rest General , as if he designed a reserve , when more of his Contradictions are laid open , who notwithstanding the Joy and Peace he pretends to have in his Publication , is very uneasily drawn to this little , and perhaps , had not I forced him to it by exposing of him , had stayed yet another twelve Month , before he had given them , which yet Falls abundantly short of what was proposed in his True Copy , no Emendation or Correction being yet extant to those four Books , he there both promised to exhibit , and assigned as needing them . Thus Parturiunt montes , nascitur ridiculus mus : All G. Keith's empty crack ends in a Ridiculous Boast . I shall follow him upon this subject , though he unseasonably interposeth what comes not in course . In his p. 36. upon his querying [ whether it may not be said , there is one Baptism , ●s there is one Land called America , though the Map or Figure of it is also called America , even as there is but one Spiritual Baptism with the Holy Ghost , though the outward Baptism with Water is also called Baptism ] I opposed thereto his asserting [ That the Scriptures are not that word , more than a Map or Description of Rome or London , is Rome or London , or the Image of Caesar is Caesar , or Bread and Wine is the Body and Blood of Christ ] to which , after a little ventilation , that the foregoing is only a Query , he will let it pass for a position , and adds , 1. The Scriptures are not that Living and Essential Word , &c. But that they may be called the Word , as a Map of America , is called America , I never denied , saith he , The more unsound man he , the mean while , say I , especially he having confessed they are no more so , then Bread and Wine are the Body and Blood of Christ : Therefore what he would turn upon us , viz. That if we deny this to be a Truth , we must hold with the Papists , rebounds upon himself . 2. That though there is but one Spiritual Baptism , yet that the outward Baptism with Water is also called Baptism , is also true , for John's Baptism with Water is called in Scripture the Baptism of John , saith he . Answer , And so there were divers Washings ( o● Baptisms ) and the Doctrine of Baptisms in those Daies , see Heb. 9 , 10. and 6. 2. Although the Christians had but one , which himself once acknowledged to J. A. of Leith , when he told him , We do not say , as the Papists , that there were two Baptisms with Water , one of John another of Christ , Truths Defence , p. 124. But not it seems , he can both say it with the Papists and defend it , so uncertain a man is he , Expostulating with him , I added , Here this Rabbi , who once boasted that he hath the gifts both of sound knowledge and Expressions with manifold other Mercies bestowed upon him , hath foiled himself sorely . At this he excepts , first against the word Rabbi , alledging , it is in a Scoffing Spirit , and that it is the known way of the Quakers not to call a Man , Master . Answer , I used it as the Characteristick of what he covets to be , to wit a Sect Master , and as such it suits him . His next Cavil p. 37. against the Word [ foiled himself sorely ] he leaving to the Intelligent to Judge , I do so also : Yet is he willing to forestall his Judgment , wherein I shall not imitate him . Then to vindicate those words [ sound knowledge , &c. ] From savouring of Boasting , he alledgeth , that to make it look like a Boast , I left out these last words [ for which I desire to Praise him for ever ] and the foregoing , viz. [ his being Charged by his Opponent with Marvellous Ignorance , Falshood and Giddiness ] To the first I say , The Pharisee stood and Prayed thus to himself , God I thank thee , that I am not as other Men , Luk 18. 11. The Pharisee thanked God : G. Keith desired to Praise him for ever . To the second , Let another Man Praise thee , and not thy own Mouth ; a Stranger , and not thy own Lips , Prov. 27. 2. He Objects against my calling his Book of Truth Advanced , a Bulky Book : But this I did not as representing it a bigger Volumn , than many good Men have writ , but that it was all Bulk , not to edification , but such gear , as I have given the Reader a tast of already under my second Head. I now return to his p. 35. where he alledgeth , that I blame him for Opposing it as an Error , That the Garden of Paradise was some part of this Visible Earth . [ He left out , And that Mans Food both for his Soul and Body was to have been Paradisical ] to which he gives no other answer , than some citations and inferences out of G. W. G. F. and W. S. That G. W. and W. S have writ against them who have affirmed , that the forbidden Fruit was an Apple , the Serpent a Creature like our English Snares , from which Dream of theirs the Picture of a Snake , and an Apple in its Mouth in a Tree , are set up at the beginning of Bibles , &c. Hence he argues , p. 36. If the Trees of the Garden were not Visible , and particularly the Tree of the forbidden Fruit , as G. W. saith it was not , then to be sure the Garden by his Judgment was not Visible , &c. Answer , ●● doth not follow that man was not in a Visible Garden any more than it would in the Metaphor , wherein Nathan expressed David's Sin with B●●●shebah , under the Parable of an Ew-Lamb . For as it would be an undue inference that David , Uriah , &c. Were not Visible Persons upon this Visible Earth , because it would be gross ignorance and darkness to think , Nathan spake of a material Ew-Lamb ; so in this case , it is as absurd to conclude G. Keith's Notions that the Garden of Paradise was not some part of this Visible Earth , that man's Food before the Fall was to have been Paradisical , and the Cloathing with the Skin and Flesh of this Frail , Mortal and corruptible Body , received but since the Fall ( as in Truth Advanced , p. 16. 18. and 27. ) are backed by these Friends , not allowing the gross Interpretation and Conception upon , Gen. 3. What he adds out of G. Fox's Journal ( which he tauntingly calls that Famous Book ) where it is said , I was come up in Spirit through the Flaming Sword into the Paradise of God , is very idle . For as there being a Mystical Canaan , doth not imply there never was an outward one : So there being a Mystical Paradise , doth not imply there never was an outward Paradise . To defend his Exposition of Adam and Eve's hiding themselves among the Trees of the Garden , to be in a Tree of the Garden , and that that one Tree may be well understood , to be the divine Mercy or Clemency , whereupon I replyed , The divine Mercy is in Christ Jesus , and if they were got there , methinks when they heard the Voice of the Lord God walking in the Garden , they should not have been afraid , for they were already safe . G. Keith p. 37. after a repeating his having said , that the Hebrew doth bear it , in a Tree of the Garden , and a reflecting upon my ignorance in the Hebrew ( a Language I never pretended Skill in , for it is the application that I mind ) adds , Are they not carnally minded , to think that Adam thought he could hide himself , either among the Trees of an outward Garden , or in any one Tree of it , so as God might not see him ? Answer , Adams thoughts I shall not dive into , but if he thought to hide himself from the wrath of God ( even in a Tree of the Garden , according to G. Keith's Exposition ) he found himself mistaken . But how Natural it is for fear and guilt , to take undue and precipitant Courses , which in a sedate frame , they could not propose to be sheltered by , instances in Isai . 2. 19. Hos . 10. 8. and Rev. 6. 15 , 16. declare , where men are said , to go into the Holes of the Rocks , and Caves of the Earth , for Fear of the Lord ; to say to the Mountains , Cover us , and to the Hills , Fall on us ; to hide themselves in the Dens and Rocks of the Mountains , that they might hide them from the Face of him that sitteth upon the Throne , and from the wrath of the Lamb. Did these men , thinks he , reckon God could not see them there ? Or were they not in a Terrour and Amaze , not knowing which way to turn ? But he queries , Doth not the Scripture say , Gods Mercies are over all his works and doth not the Clemency and Mercy of God extend to them that are not yet in Christ ? Answer , But how should man know that , before the Seed ( Christ ) was promised ? For this hiding was an interval between the Fall and the promise . He goes on , p. 38. Seeing they will needs have this place , where Adam hid , some outward Trees on this Earth , by the same Carnal Mind they must understand , that this walking of God , was a● outward and bodily walking , and his Voice , an outward and bodily Voice ; and so they make not only Adam , but Moses , who writ these words , to be an Anthropomorphite and Muggletonian . Answ . This doth not follow , For the Lord appeared unto Abraham in the Plains of Mamre , and he lift up his Eyes , and looked , and lo , three Men stood by him [ was Moses an Anthropomorphite or Muggletonian , for describing the Lord appearing as a Man ? ] and he fetcht a Morsel of Bread , [ was not that visible Bread ? ] See Gen. 18. 1 , 2 , 5. Again , when Christ appeared to Joshuah , as a Man , as the Captain of the Lord's Host , Josh . 5. 13 , 14. And among the three Children , as a Man , whose Form , Nebuchadnezzar said , was like the Son of God , Dan. 3. 24 , 25. Were these Holy Pen-men Anthropomorphites or Muggletonians ? Or the Plains of Mamre , not visible Plains ? The Jericho mentioned , a Jericho in the Air ? The Furnace , not a visible Furnace ? Shedrach , Meshach ; and Abednego , not visible Men upon this visible Earth ? For this is the tendency of his Argument against me . In the next place , whereas G. K. had assigned it as an Errour to assert , That Adam and Eve were Naked before the Fall , and that their not being ashamed of their Nakedness , did not imply their Innocency but rather their Impudence , I queried , What sign or token of Impudence is it in People , to endeavour to cover their Nakedness ? To this G. Keith replies , Taking Nakedness Metaphorically , as I do in that place , Gen. 2. As it is taken Rev. 3. 17. 18. It is a sign of Impudence to endeavour to cover their Nakedness . And a little lower , Is not Sin a Nakedness , Metaphorically taken ? And when men cover their Sins , with false and sinful excuses , it is a sign of their Impudence [ and then that he might have an occasion to fling an unproved Slander at us , adds ] as is too manifest in G. W. and J. P. Answer , No wonder if he be so severe upon us , when he is so uncharitable to our first Parents , as to conclude them impudent Sinners , not ashamed of their Sin , and yet seeking shelter under the divine Mercy : Yet hath he not hitherto proved , that that Nakedness , mentioned Gen. 2. 25. Which was before any account of their Fall , was Sin ; as well as that he hath not assigned what false excuses they made . He goes on , What Nakedness was that of the Serpent [ for so he renders , Gen. 3. 1. Where the Translation hath it subtil ] was it bodily Nakedness ? Answer , If it was Nakedness , it was such a Nakedness as was suitable to him , as a Serpent , as a fallen Angel , even as Adam and Eve's Nakedness , was suitable to them as Man and Woman , who as yet had not Transgressed . But he queries again , Can we suppose , that God who Cloatheth every Lilly of the Field , made Adam without a suitable Cloathing , Did he not Crown him with Glory and Honour ? Psal . 8. 5. And if his Head was not Naked , how could his Body be Naked ? Answer , This is to confound Allegorical with Literal things . Innocency was his covering , we grant ( I suppose ) on both hands ; but doth this answer the Terms of the proposition , or relate , either to the Covering or Nakedness , whereof the debate is ? The like may be said of the Crown of Glory and Honour , Psal . 8. 5. G. Keith having assigned a twofold Cloathing to man after the Fall , viz. A Cloathing them inwardly with the Righteousness of the Lamb , and outwardly with the Skin and Flesh of this Frail , mortal and Corruptible Body , I queried , Did he Cloath them with the Righteousness of the Lamb , and yet at the same time debarr them access to the Tree of Life , See Gen. 3. 21. 22. What strange Doctrine is this ? Said I , to which he replieth , At the same time , is their addition . Answer , In the Relation there is not a verse between . He goes on , If by the same time they mean the same instant , or hour , I say Nay . But the time was not long betwixt their Fall , and their Restoration , so far as they had access to Christ , signified by the Tree of Life . Answer , Access to the Tree of Life was not so soon regained ; Gods Cloathing them is mentioned , v. 21. and after that , v. 24. That they were driven out , and a Flaming Sword placed at the East of the Garden of Eden , which turned every Way , to keep the Way of the Tree of Life : Nor is it probable , that such impudent Sinners , as he hath represented them , could so immediately come at it , that requiring a good Progress , and many good steps to be made , before attained to . To my saying , with respect to the outward Cloathing which he defines to be the Skin and Flesh of this Frail , Mortal and Corruptible Body , It is Monstruous that we should have a Body a Top of a Body , he will not allow it to be his , but my own Invention and Foolish arguing . Is a Mass , wherein there is a Mixture of Gold and Dross , a Body a top of a Body , saith he ? Answer , The Comparison doth not hold ; Man had a Body before the Fall , if this be Cloathed upon , superinduced , then not a Mixture or Compound , as in Gold and Dross . The Cloaths we put on , are no part of our Bodies , and that this Cloathing which Adam had after the Fall , was not proper to Man as Man , himself hath said , Truth Advanced , p. 113. What is it then less than a Body a top of a Body ? What I had cited out of him , Truth Advanced , p. 28. ( of Man and Womans being made Back to Back before the Fall , and afterwards split or divided into two Sides or Halves , the effect of their Fall being such , that they could not multiply their Species in one Body , without the Separation , as they mought have done , if the Fall had not been , &c. ) He wholly waves touching only upon my quarrelling ( as he phraseth it ) with his rendering Rib to be Side . Answer , I should hardly think it worth 〈◊〉 while to dispute it with him , whether it 〈◊〉 best Translated Rib or Side , but that his ●●●mara , of their being made Back to Back , &c. Depends thereon . Hear then what the Scripture saith , The Lord God took one of his Ribs , Gen. 2. 21. And the Rib , which the Lord God had taken from Man , made he a Woman , v. 22. And Adam said , This is now Bone of my Bones , and Flesh of my Flesh , she shall be called Woman , because she was taken out of Man , v. 23. Qu. How could she be Bone of his Bones , and taken out of Man , if never in him , but only joyned to him ? Therefore shall a Man leave his Father , &c. And they shall be one Flesh , v. 24. Qu. If they had grown together , and been Created twain , Back to Back , why is it said , they shall be one Flesh ? But that it had respect , not to a Splitting asunder , even to a distinct formation ( in the Margin it is Builded , v. 22. ) not a separation , somthing taken out of Man , whereon the Lord had bestowed Workmanship , not barely a healing where the cleaving Instrument had gone ? Thus I leave it with the Reader , whether Moses or G. Keith be soundest in the Expression of this great Work of the Creator , What he adds against G. Whitehead his calling G. Keith's proceedings arbitrary and Extrajudicial , new Court of Judicatory , &c. ( They relating to his Summons to meet him at Turners-Hall , and yet barely Exhibiting a general charge , without Mentioning out of what Books and Pages they were deduced ) I pass by , as what hath been answered over and over , particularly in my REFLECTIONS and the Paper called REASONS , &c. For the rest he giving a general reference to his Narrative , I shall as generally refer to the Answer to it , and for his Notion of the Resurrection , to what I have already offered , under the Second Head , out of Truth Advanced , p. 113. 116 , 127. Where his Husk or Drossy part exceeds the more Noble . To his putting us in mind of 1 Pet. 3. 15. ● say , The reason of our hope we have given , ●nd that in the most publick manner , even to himself : We need not go into Corners ( as ●ll hearing is in comparison of the Press ) to ●o it over again , especially he being Debtor ●ill to two of T. Ellwood's , and mine called ●n Apostate Exposed : Therefore he may save ●s Labour in making offers to us , to appoint 〈◊〉 and place , and he will meet us ; for we are before hand with him , his Books not sticking upon our Hands unanswered , as ours do upon ●s . And now I come to take notice of the first ●rt of his Book ( called Antichrists and Sadu● Detected , &c. ) levelled against a Book of Caleb Pusey's stiled A Modest Account of the ●rincipal Differences in point of Doctrine between to . Keith and the People called Quakers , &c. ) ●ereto he would entitule me , from my re●●ding him , that it lay at his Door unan●ered , and the Second Daies Meeting at ●●don , from their approving it . With them ● begins , p. 3. And I shall Consider what he ●●h thereof , when I come to answer his ●●script , where it more Naturally falls in . What relates to matter of 〈◊〉 , of thin●s ●●sacted beyond Sea , as they who were 〈◊〉 thereto , are most Capable of answering , so shall leave it to them to do , if they see cause , and begin with what he Objects against C. Pusey concerning the sufficiency of the Light. The words ( which the Friend began with , p. 8. ) were taken out of G. Keith's Universal Grace , p. 117 , viz. That the Knowledge of him , as in the outward , is of necessity unto Salvation , w●● grant not [ and it followed in the Book it self , save only where it is revealed , &c. Here G. Keith seeks to creep out , by the Terms Express Knowledge and Belief , ( which he saith is not universally of absolute necessity unto Salvation , That thus R. B. saith ( but he tells ●● where ) and himself in the place above . Answer , The Knowledge is spoken of Indefinitely , in that assertion ( and when the words , Express and distinct Knowledge are afterwards a●ded , it is from the Terms of our Adversarie● whose Objection he cites ) but he useth ● those Terms in his own position , or as explanatory thereof . For he is positive that Knowledge of Christ in the outward ( he sa●● not the Explicit or Implicit Knowledge ; ●● the Knowledge ) is not of absolute necess● to Salvation , save only where revealed . In the very same Page , he saith , Where he states the difference in point of Doctrine be●● some in Pennsilvania and me , as if I said , it w●● an Error to affirm , the Light within were suffic●● without something else , &c. From whence at ● close of the Paragraph , he concludeth , 〈◊〉 exclude the Man Christ without us , and his D●● &c. From being Concerned in our Salva● But herein he wrongs C. Pusey who neither states their belief , nor his undue inference , but only opposeth G. Keith to G. Keith where , upon R. Gordons , saying , that the declaring the Light and Power and Spirit within to be Christ the only Mediator and Saviour , asserts another Christ , another Saviour than Jesus of Nazareth , G. Keith tells him , If thou wert indeed for this Mystery Christ within , as he is the Seed , the Light , the Power and the Life , thou wouldst not say this asserts another Christ . This the Friend , in his p. 9. quoted out of G , Keith's Light of Truth , p. 8. which is cogent : But what is this to a stating a point of difference in Pennsilvania , or an inferring that they exclude Christ without ●s , his Death , &c. From being concerned in our Salvation ? It shews indeed G. Keith's Contradiction to himself ( & as such it was brought ) one while to say , Declaring the Light within to be the only Mediator and Saviour , asserts another Christ than Jesus of Nazareth ; another while that it doth not so : And that was ●ll C. Pusey deduced therefrom , which G. Keith would pervert to a sense never given , nor in●ended , in order to mislead his Reader and ex●icate himself . In the next place comes a Citation out of G. Keith's Book , called Refutation , &c. ( which was Printed , I suppose in Pennsilvania , and I have sought for here , but cannot get sight of ) ●herein G. Keith Charges the Friend with Base Forgery . When G. Whitehead had in softer ●erms exprest G. Keith's unfairness ( he did not say base Forgery ) in leaving cut the word [ Blood and Bones ] which if inserted had turned G. Keith's Cavil out of Doors , G. Keith had a Plaister at Hand , imputing it , p. 39. to an oversight , either in the Print , or Transcript ( it seems he could not tell which , and that he writes by guess ) But now he will allow nothing to either . But observe how he makes good his Charge of Forgery . See the place , saith he , I have no such words , but plain Contrary , and then refers not to the Page the Friend brought , which was Refutation . p. 38 , 39. But to another , viz. p. 42 , 43. And in that other the words given have no affinity with what the Friend alledged . The passage out of G. Keith in the Friends Book was thus , [ It is a real degree of Blasphemy to say , this Light cannot make satisfaction for Sins past ] in G. Keith's quotaon [ neither is the Saints greatest inward Righteousness or Holiness wrought in them by the Spirit of God , an attonement for their Sins but Christ alone , who dyed for us , the just for the unjust ] Is it likely that one of these places should be mistaken for the other ? Nay they speak not of one thing ; one speaks o● the Worker , the Light ; the other of the Wor● wrought , the Saints Righteousness . He might well enough say both , for they do not Contradict one another : But such pittiful shift is G. Keith put to , to defend his weak cause against a despised Miller , which a true Br●● Schollar would Scorn . To Caleb Pusey's showing G. K. had said Magistrates may Preach , and opposing thereto his saying , Preachers may no● be Magistrates , he replies , This is no Contradiction , for it is one thing occasionally to Preach , or Teach , or Exhort , as any Christian can do , and another to Exercise the Office or Function of a Minister of the Gospel of Peace one day , that saith , Resist not evil , and our Weapons are not Carnal , and another day to Hang Men for Murder . Answ . Occasionally to Preach is a distinction occasionally made to creep out at . The Office , Function , and Salary of such a Ministry as distinguisheth the Clergy from the Laity , he may perhaps now Court ; but he was of another Mind once , when he wrote his Book , called , The Woman Preacher of Samaria , Printed Anno 1674. where in the very Title Page , he asserts she was a better Preacher , and more sufficiently qualified to Preach , than any of the Man-made Ministry in these Three Nations , and in his page 1. opposeth that Notion , That Women should not be Preachers , nor meddle with their Holy Function , and throughout the Book labours to prove her Call , Qualifications , Success , Experimental Preaching , &c. to be more immediate , more edifying , more free , than such as had the Ordination from Man : Yet was she but what he now stileth an Occasional Preacher . But to come to the Second Branch of the Objection , May these Occasional Preachers be Magistrates ? May they resist Evil ? May their Weapons be Carnal ? ( May they Hang Men for Murder ? For that he foisteth in to the Premises , to make a noise ) or do the Preachers Preach that Doctrine to be put in practice by none but themselves ? If so , none were to be Christians but themselves , and then a Man , who is a Christian , ceaseth to be a Magistrate , as well that a Magistrate ceaseth to be a Christian . I hope by this time the Reader will see whither Prejudice hath driven him , thus to lay down a Position , destructive to Government , and shaking the Basis of all well-regulated Magistracy among Christians , as if it were Ordained of God , for the punishment of evil doers , and the praise of them that do well , 1 Pet. 2. 14. only among the Gentiles , and Christ's Followers must run into Anarchy and Confusion . He goes on , endeavouring to reconcile his saying , ( Way Cast up , p. 131. ) It is no more a Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones , but a Pure , AEthereal or Heavenly Body , to another saying of his , That it remaineth the same in Substance that it was on Earth , &c. by distinguishing between the Flesh that is mortal , gross and corruptible , and the Flesh that is immortal and incorruptible . Answ . How can it be the same in Substance , when the Substance is not the same ? Was the Substance , when on Earth , no more a Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones , but AEthereal and Heavenly ? Or is AEthereal and Heavenly , the same in Substance , with a Body of Flesh , Blood and Bone ? How is this reconcileable ? To his positively denying the express Knowledge of Christs becoming Man , and Suffering , &c. to be of Necessity to Salvation , the Friend queried . How is it now , that he saith , that express Knowledge is indispensibly necessary to Salvation , or perfect Justification , for which they both quote Presbyterian and Independent Churches , p. 133. and G. Keith replieth , p. 5. His fallacy lyeth in this , that I say , the express Knowledge is not universally necessary , but some Knowledge , if not express , yet implicite , is , and this ( he saith ) is no Contradiction . Answ . That Page hath nothing in it of that tendency , but what is , is in p. 111 , 112. So that the Mistake in C. Pusey's Book , in Print or Transcript , G. Keith hath followed in his , without amending it . This G. Keith did either espy , or he did not espy . If he did espy it , why not also give warning of it , except he designed to lead his Reader Hoodwinkt , that he might impose upon him ? If he did not espy it , how could he pretend to detect a fallacy , in what he had not compared ? Take it either way , it makes not for G. Keith's Credit . Now to return to the Quotation , the fallacy is in G. Keith ; for as the Question was concerning Salvation and PERFECT Justification , so the Assertion whence it was deduced , was thus , It may be very safely concluded that the express Knowledge and Faith of Christ crucified , is not of absolute and indispensible Necessity , unto the BEGINNING of a Mans Salvation , although it is really of absolute and indispensible Necessity unto the finishing and PERFECTING of it , said G. Keith , Presbyterian and Independent Churches , p. 111. By this the Reader may give a guess , why G. Keith was willing to shelter himself under a mispaged Quotation ; for had the place been examined , it would have discovered the Friends Inference to have been genuine , restricted not to some Knowledge indefinitely , but to a saving and perfecting Knowledge . And if any please to trace him yet further , they will find it was such a Knowledge , as who had not , WHEN LIVING , might ( according to G. Keith ) have at their Death , to wit , in the passing through the Valley of the Shadow of Death , according to Psalm 23. 4. Even when they are not able to demonstrate unto the Living , what is then revealed unto them , See Presbyterian and Independent Churches , p. 112. Which as it is a perverse Exposition of that Scripture , ( David speaking there of a Condition here up on Earth , The Lords preparing a Table for him in the presence of his Enemies , anointing his Head with Oyl , &c. So that Goodness and Mercy shall follow him all the days of his Life ; ver . 5 , and 6. Not of a State after Death , when Men are not able to demonstrate unto the Living , what is then revealed unto them ) so it renders him a Favourer of the Notion of Purgatory ; as well as that it is worse than misapplying Scriptures to prove certain Truths , which those places did not prove ( an Error he would pretend to have Retracted , p. 35. ) this tending to defend untruths , and unsound Notions , which the Scriptures do disavow . Upon C. Pusey his querying , Seeing , according to G. Keith , he is not only the true Christ , who was manifest in the Body of Flesh , but also as manifost in us , how is it then , that he that is manifest in us , is something else , than he that was manifest in that Body of Flesh , se●ing , IN BOTH RESPECTS , he is so confessed to be the only true Christ and Saviour . And surely the Word [ only ] is alone , and admits of nothing else . Thus far the Friend . Hereupon G. Keith citing him only , from where he saith [ the Word only ] infers , that he placeth all on the Light within , so that the Man Christ Jesus of Nazareth without us is nothing of Christ , and calls it a blasphemous Assertion and Consequence , which follows not from his Words . Answ . The Friend gave G. Keith his Words , not his own , which as I have stated more fairly than himself hath done , I leave with the Reader , whether the Consequence be forced , not natural , or whether it proveth , that the Friend placeth all on the Light within , nothing on Jesus of Nazareth without us . Or whether G. Keith had ground from hence to insult , that his Opponent had neither Learning nor good Exercise of humane Reason , but had better kept working at his Mill ? as well as that I may put G. Keith in Mind what he once said , that a Docta Ignorantia , or a learned Ignorance is more safe , and to be preferred to an uncertain Knowledge or Science falsly , so called . See Truths Defence , p. 77. G. Keith goes on , Seeing that he would infer from my Words , That Jesus of Nazareth cannot be something else than the Light , Power and Spirit within , it is plain , that it is both their Sense and his , that Jesus of Nazareth is nothing at all of Christ without us , which is a plain Contradiction to themselves , and to himself in the following Words . Thus far G. Keith . But how will he prove our Sense and his to be , that Jesus of Nazareth is nothing at all of Christ without us , if that sense be so immediately Contradicted in the following words ? This shews he wants candour , and would take things by the worst handle , to fasten an imputation , not only upon the Friend himself , but his Brethren also , which he confesseth is contradicted by him : Who , had he not sought an occasion to misrepresent us mought have entituled us at least , to what he calls the contradictory Sense . Now C. Pusey his Words were these , upon G. Keith's saying , The Light is Christ , but the Man Christ is something else , he queried , Whether the Man Christ be become something else besides Christ ? And adds , but to wave such Comparisons , which shews his were not Assertory , but argumentative ad hominem , a Comparison G. Keith drew him to . To this I say , The Man Christ , who was made ( or became ) Flesh , John 1. 14. who said of himself , I am come a Light into the World , Chap. 12. ver . 46. is not something else besides Christ . And seeing himself hath said , Way cast up , p. 102. That it is not the outward Flesh and Blood that is the Man , but the Soul , or inward Man , that dwelleth in the outward Flesh or Body , that is the Man most properly , such as Christ was even from the beginning . I ask , Whether the Ma● Christ , that was even from the beginning , be become something else besides Christ ? And seeing God hath said , I am the Lord , and beside me there is no Saviour , Isa . 43. 11. Whether this infers a denial of what Christ ( who is th● Light ) did and suffered without us in that prepared Body , &c. And that the Friend himself did not believe that Jesus of Nazareth is nothing at all of Christ without us , as unduly aspersed by G. Keith , hear him in his Modest Account , p. 16 , 17. where he thus hath it , Though we cannot yield to G. Keith in these his Terms , That the Light is not able of it self , and consequently , that God ( by G. Keith's own Words , who saith the Light is God ) is not able to save , because we believe , Beside him there is no Saviour , yet we do not in the least Question , but dearly own and acknowledge and believe the Way and Means , that the Lord was pleased , out of his infinite Love and good Will to Mankind , to take , in order to redeem him from Sin and Death , as sending his only begotten Son into the World , not only as a Light — but also as Man , in the prepared Body to offer up himself a most acceptable Sacrifice for the Sins of the whole World , which Offering the Lord was pleased to accept of , and by his Spirit and Power it is made Effectual for the Reconciliation and Salvation of all those that repent of their Sins , and truly believe in his Name . And that God doth not save any without respect to that great Offering , we all grant and truly believe , &c. This as it is a full Vindication of the Friend , that he did not undervalue , but highly prize what Christ hath done without us ; so it needs no further Comment , than a Reflection upon his Adversaries Disingenuity , who kept this back , while he laboured to suggest the contrary thereto , as the Friends sense and ours . He saith further , He [ C. Pusey ] so mingles my words with his own , that no Man can distinguish the one from the other , &c. And I think he is unwilling rightly to distinguish , that he may pervert them . For whereas the Friend had said , [ And that God doth not save any without respect to that great Offering , we all grant and truly believe : For , as G. Keith saith , The Lord having ordained it so to be , how can or dare we say therefore , That he was or is not Sufficient , by his Light , Power and Spirit , to save without something else ? Surely this seems to me too Presumptuous an Expression ; for was not that Body prepared of God ? And what was done in it ? Is it not said , God did it by him ? ] G. Keith in p. 6. leaving out [ And that God , &c. ] and beginning with [ For as G. Keith saith ] lays Forgery to the Friends Charge , as if [ having ordained ] related , not to God's saving by that great Offering , but to the following Query , Concerning the Sufficiency of the Light , which is a poor insult . From hence he taketh occasion to infer the Necessity of God's Saving by Christ , and that he could not save us without respect to the Man Christ in the outward , otherwise he could or should contradict his own Ordination , &c. which is granted him , even by the Friend . But whether antecedently to Gods purpose , he would have saved us without the Death of his own Dear Son , a thing ( he tells us Exact Narrative , p. 25. ) is above Mans Capacity , and that he wholly waves that Dispute , is what I shall wave insisting on , yet with this Caution , which the Friend also gave him in his , p. 18. viz. Let us not undertake to argue , as if there were any thing , that God by his Light , Spirit and Power , is not sufficient to do , and we need not debate any longer about it . What follows , relating to Matter of Fact transacted beyond Sea , whereof I can pretend to no certain Knowledge , and their Relations do so vary , I must leave to the Persons concerned to Answer , if they see meet , not being willing to undertake a Defence of what I am not Privy to , nor to justify them , if in ought they have exceeded , though I dare not trust his Evidence . Yet his alledging that he Printed nothing about their retaking a sloop , till a considerable Time after twenty eight of the Ministers had excommunicated him , to which Sentence , some that gave the Commission did put their Hands , is a plain Intimation , what animated him , not a concern for God and his Truth , so much as Revenge and Malice . In p. 7. G. Keith acknowledgeth he said in one Book ( this is quoted Presbyterian and Independent Churches , p. 133. and should be p. 111. ) The express Knowledge of Christs Death and Sufferings , as Man in the outward , is not universally necessary to Salvation , but that he hath said , That the express Knowledge of Christs Death , is universally necessary , he alledgeth , C. Pusey ●i●es no Passage in any of his Books . Answ . Himself hath acknowledged in that very Book , Presbyterian and Independent Churches , p. 111. That the express Knowledge is universally necessary to the perfecting of Salvation and Justification , and in p. 112. hath allotted them , when it must be , viz. not when living , but afterwards , and the same he saith here , thus , I never had any Controversie with any , saith he , whether the express Knowledge and Faith of Christs Death and Sufferings , be universally necessary to Mans Salvation , so as necessary to be had by all and every one before Death . Thus incidit in Scyllam , qui vult vitare Charybdim : To get off from a Contradiction , he recurs to what will include the Doctrine of Purgatory , or Revolutionism , for if not before Death , then after Death : And when then ? In their Passage through the Valley of the Shadow of Death , as instanced above ? Or in a renewed Visitation and Re-animation ? The former shakes Hands with the Papists , the latter with the Revolutionists . But the true State of the Question between them and me , was and is , saith G. Keith , Whether the express Knowledge and Faith of Christs Death , Sufferings , &c. be not necessary to Salvation to all professing Christianity , and who have the opportunity , and help of the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament , &c. Answ . What he calls the true State of the Question is denied by them , particularly by S. J. ( State of the Case , p. 11. ) to be any Question at all , as well as that it i● against our known Principle , to call in Question the Necessity of the Faith of Christs Death and Sufferings , where the means of having it is afforded . What C. Pusey relates from p. 24 , to 28. G. Keith Terms base Insinuations against him , about the twelve Revolutions , and telling some Stories , most of which are , if we will believe G. Keith , absolutely false , and that little that is true , not fairly nor duly related , and for which no Proof is brought but his own forfeited Credit , &c. p. 8. Answ . This is too general . What are those Stories ? Which of them absolutely false ? Which in Part true ? And in what Part true , in what unfairly related ? If the Friend have forfeited his Credit , I am sure G. Keith goes not the way to gain his . However one of the Relations I shall transcribe , which was , ' That G. Keith told Ebenezer Slocam of Rhoad Island , as he affirms , to this purpose , That it was Gods great Mercy to the Jebusites , Amorites , and Hittites of Old , in that he destroyed them so much at once by the Israelites , for that by so doing , their Souls might be sooner come into the Bodies of the Jews Children , and so consequently become the sooner to be Members of the Visible Church , &c. See Modest Account , p. ●7 . If this be one of the Stories he hath ought material to object against , it had highly behoved him , instead of passing it over in silence , to have declared whether false in the whole , or in Part : for if this be true , his leaning to the Doctrine ●f the twelve Revolutions , is undeniable ; as well as his sliding so lightly over it , gives a ●●rong Presumption , that he hath spoken to ●●at Effect . His next Essay to clear himself from having indicated us and our Doctrine to C. Mather a New England , is as unsuccessful . He saith , ● was before that Party rose up against him in Pennsilvania to oppose the same Doctrine he delive●ed in his Printed Books — that he was astonisht to ●d how suddenly they turned against the very same ●octrine , after W. Stockdale had accused him of Preaching two Christs — and finding G. Whitehead and W. Penn to favour and support them , he found sufficient cause to changs his Judgment concerning these Men , p. 8 , 9. Answ . This will not shelter him , for his complaint against W. Stockdale ( which had had a hearing before Friends , and they for the most Part excused and defended him , as G. Keith alledgeth ) was by himself again laid before Friends of the Ministry at their Yearly Meeting in Pennsilvania in the seventh Month , 1691. See Plea , p 2 , and 3. whereas the Book in Answer to C. Mather ( called Serious Appeal ) was Printed Anno , 1692. This shews as if the Man would boggle at nothing to excuse himself , who ha● in that Book defended our Friends in Americ● as well as here from being Heretical or Blasphemous . Alike successful is he in what he alledgeth against G. Whitehead and W. Penn : Fo● those very Books out of which he and other ( in their Book called Christian Faith ) ha● brought instances to convince our Opposers ●● the soundness of our Principles , hath G. Keith since offered to prove unsound in those very Principles . This is not changing his Judgement of Men only , but even of Books . His next Paragraph p. 9. is about the Doctrine of the Revolutions , in which he dodget extreamly , one while representing it as such which from two Passages out of G. Fox , in the one he mentions neither Book nor Page , b●● saith it is in some of his Printed Books ; in th● other he gives the Book ( viz. the Journal and not the Page , he saith hath occasioned son to think G. Fox favoured the Revolutions , and adds , but I do not say he did ( Query , Did he not know he did not ? ) Which shews the Man doth not know what he would be at ; for if not sufficient , from his lame Quotations to ●a●ten that Doctrine upon G. Fox , why did he bring them ? Another while he renders it a Question , Whether the Disciples did not hold that ●xtrine , that said Master , who hath sinned , this Man or his Servants , [ he should have said Paents ] that he was born Blind , and adds , many other Places of Scripture there are on which he ●ight as much and much more query concerning the ●evolutions , as any Expressions he hath mentioned ● mine . But all this is trifling , if he can prove at Doctrine of the Revolutions by Scripture , ●● him avow it to be his , and do so . He who ●●th told us , that it is only safe to keep close Scripture Words and Terms , will he not do himself ? But what the Friend offered , to ●ove that Notion to be his , G. Keith gives ●● but in a general Reference to p. 24 , 25 , ●● . of the Friends Book , till he comes to the ●stance of an Indian and poor Infant . Now C. Pusey in his p. 25 , 26. had argued thus , ' If ●hey could not perish , though they dyed without Faith and Knowledge , and yet that Faith and Knowledge is absolutely necessary to perfect their Salvation , where must they have that ●aith and Knowledge , unless they come again ●o receive it ? And if they do , what will become of that Text ( Eccles . 11. 13. ) brought ●y G. Keith against the New-England Profes●ors ? Now according to this Text , brought by G. Keith himself , if an honest Indian o● poor Infant , dye or fall without that outward Knowledge , so they must lye . And then if they cannot be perfectly saved without it , then their lying must be but as Soul saved in Part , and that to be their State forever , because , as they fall , so they lye . Th● far C. Pusey which G. Keith wholly wave● quoting only from [ If an honest Indian , &c. and goes no further than the Word [ outward Knowledge ] which yet it had become him ● have answered , if he could But what he decite , he is soon weary of , and catching at t●● Term outward Knowledge , having left out who would have explained it , he saith , I never affirmed the absolute Necessity of an outward Knowledge , universally to Salvation , besides that prop●●ly all Knowledge is inward , and not outward , the subject of it being the Mind and Understanding that inward . Answ . This is poor shifting , I mig●● as well say , all Knowledge properly is expre● not implicite , what is implicite being hidde● not revealed or made known ( kept secret , ● himself phraseth it ) but he plaies upon Word to slide off from the Matter ; for the Mill● hath ground him . He knows the Knowledg● they were treating of , was such as G. Keith himself defined to be necessary to the perfe●●ing Salvation , a Knowledge G. Keith hath a lowed they had not , when living ; and th●● the Reader would have perceived , had not ● Keith curtailed the Quotation : And therefore his Cavil is as idle as evasive . Having thus tossed off the Friends query and argument , he betaketh himself to retorting I return his own query ( saith he ) upon him to answer , What becomes of them when they Dye , seeing without being Born again , there is no entring into the Kingdom of God , and what becomes of many Quakers , and others , that before they dyed , had no signs that they were arrived at that high state of Sinles perfection , as attainable by the Grace of God in this Life . And adds , Let him tell me , or any for him , what becomes of such when they Dye , and I may give him the like Answer , or some better , what becomes of honest Indians , when they Dye , p. 9. 10. And then he would make up an Answer for us , which yet he confesseth , we blame when given by others ( so ready is he to bespatter us at any rate ) as if they who are in measure Sanctified , &c. Are made perfect in Holiness at the instant of Death , &c. But we have no need to recurr to this Notion , that of Purgatory or of Revolutionism to defend our Principles , though he seem at last willing to allow , it is not altogether improbable , saying , It hath the same Probability in the one Case , as the other , to slide himself off from the imputation of Revolutionism . And although he hath so frequently stigmatized us , as denyers of the universal benefit accruing to mankind , by that one offering of our Lord Jesus ; yet I shall tell him , that even herein we ascribe more thereto than he doth , who acknowledge that the Penitent , who Dye not arrived to that Maturity , which a more full improvement of their Talent mought have produced , receive an advantage by Christs Death and Sufferings , viz. That a Propitiation is thereby made for their Sins , and not for theirs only , but also for the Sins of the whole World , 1 John 2. 2. So that they Dying in a state of Salvation , and Renovation , their Sins are blotted out , Acts , 3. 19. which none of the finally obdurate and impenitent , partake of : So that there is no necessity of Pleading for Sin , Term of Life , or for a Purgation at the instant of Death , in Purgatory , or a Succeeding Revolution , but on him ( the Advocate ) is help laid , Psal . 89. 19. Thus he may see I do not shift and boggle in my Answers , my cause being such as is not ashamed to shew its Head , whatever his is , that drives such a man as G. Keith ( who so overvalues himself upon his School-Learning , and so undervalues others for want of it ) to such mean and pitiful Subterfuges . C. Pusey having shewed him a Contradiction , in one while saying , That which riseth is the Mortal that puts on Immortality and the Corrutible that putteth on Incorruption , and again , The Flesh that is Mortal and Corruptible , is not that Flesh , that shall be raised up Immortal and Incorruptible ( See Testimony against that absurd Opinion , p. 3. and 10. ) If that which riseth be the Corruptible , how is it that that which riseth is Incorruptible , and Corrupteth not again ? Thus far the Friend to which G. Keith replies , He quarrels not so much with me , as with the Scriptures , 1 Cor. 15. 53. and v. 50. Answer , What Paul speaks of the Bodies sown , G. Keith applies to the Bodies raised , that he might make the Scriptures as self-Inconsistent , as himself is : It was sown in Corruption , in Dishonour , in Weakness , a Natural Body ; raised in Incorruption , in Glory , in Power , a Spiritual Body ; See , v. 42 , 43 , 44 , But Paul doth not say , That which riseth is the Mortal , and then again , The Flesh that is Mortal , &c. Is not the Flesh that shall be raised Immortal , as G. Keith hath done . To Vindicate his other assertion , viz. That which riseth is a pure , Noble part that Consumeth not , he bringeth in the Similitude of a Grain of Corn , p. 11. thus , All but Fools and Idiots know , that as there is a Grain of Corn that Corrupteth , and turneth to Earth or Dust , so there is another part in it , that is more noble , that Corrupteth not , but by the Corruption of the other part — Gets a new Life . Answer , This Simile will not hold , even among them that are not Fools & Idiots , for that very noble part may Corrupt , and the Industrious Husband Man have no Crop , as G. Keith himself , who is neither Fool nor Idiot , allows , in the very same page . Again , that more noble part in the Seed , is proper to the Seed , as Seed : And the less noble is a necessary Appendix to the more noble , which is not so in this Case , G Keith himself being Judge . For Man had a Body before the Fall , that Body had its radix ( else how could it multiply its Speices , according to G Keith in Truth Advanced , p. 28. ) the which Body G. Keith saith , was not Naked before the Fall , ibid , p. 24. On the other hand the Skin and Flesh of this Frail , Mortal and Corruptible Body , he saith , is not proper to Man as Man , but a Cloathing he received since the Fall , See , ibid. p. 113. and 27. But is this predicable of a Grain of Corn ? So that all his noise of Sadduceism , Atheism , &c. Terminates in a dispute whether the Man's Cloaths shall rise or no ? viz. That which , according to him , is not proper to Man as Man , not so much as to his Cloathing before the Fall , but was added by means of transgression ? A Resurrection of the Body , of such a Body as God shall please to give . we own , and that he knows full well ; but his uncertain , Wavering , Notional , Absurd , Incongruous , and Unscriptual Expositions we reject ( as particularly what he said even now , that that which riseth is the Mortal , and yet again , that which riseth is a pure noble part , that consumeth not ) and this makes him uneasy . As a further Indication of his instability , let us hear what true Philosophy , right Reason , and ocular Experience teacheth , as himself giveth it us , viz. The Generation of one thing followeth the Corruption of another , yet there is something in the new Generated thing , that was in the old Corrupted thing , &c. Whence I query , Whether this SOMETHING in the new generated thing , which was in the Old Corrupted thing , be that which riseth Mortal and Corruptible , as he said even now ? For if Mortal and Corruptible , how comes it to be a pure noble part , which consumeth not , nor corrupteth , with the old Corrupted thing ? Are these Terms convertible ? That predicable of the one , which is of the other ? Or is it not rather a demonstration , that in stead of being taught by true Philosophy , &c. He is now Plunged into the Ditch of Philosophy , as he called it , whence this blind Leader of the Blind cannot help himself out ? As well as that these Sentiments , whereby the Flesh , Blood and Bones are Termed the Old Corrupted thing , that the New Generation hath not , but only SOMETHING that was in it , ( The Flesh that is Mortal and Corruptible , being by him denied to be the Flesh that shall be raised up Immortal and Incorruptible , p. 10. ) do no ways accord with those of those , whom he now appeals to , against us ; and would shelter himself among , for they assert the Resurrection of the same Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones , that Dyed and was laid in the Grave ; he here denieth it . So that after all his quarrelling with us , rendring us Atheists , Sadducees , &c. And Labouring to Provoke the Government against us , to suppress our Books ; himself is no less Erroneous and Heretical ( while abiding by what he here saith ) to their received Opinion of the Resurrection , than we are , when our belief is rightly stated . Upon G. Keith his distinction of Commutation and Transmutation , with respect to Body and Soul , the Friend argues , first , with respect to the Body , thus , If the Corruptible be laid aside , and that which Corrupteth not , but is separated ( as G. Keith saith ) in about a Years time , more or less , and laid by divine Providence in some certain Invisible place , till the Resurrection ; How then doth it receive the change meant by him in the Text , at the Resurrection ? viz. If it be Incorruptible before the Resurrection ( for he saith , it Corrupteth not ) and the Change must be a Transmutation from one thing to another ; must it not then needs be from an Incorruptible Body to an Incorruptible Body , and what change is that ? For if it be a Transmutation , what is it which is Transmuted ? It cannot be the noble and pure part , because the Apostle saith , It is our Vile Body , and according to G. Keith , it cannot be that which Corrupteth , because he saith , That which riseth , Corrupteth not . Thus far C. Pusey p. 32. 33. which G. Keith gives not his Reader , though he makes his perverse inference therefrom , saying of his Opponent , He cannot conceive how there can be an Incorruptible part lodged or placed in the Corruptible Body , and how the Body can have any Incorruptible part in it before the Resurrection , &c. To which I answer , The debate is not about an Incorruptible part , being lodged in a Corruptible Body ; but what that is that is changed , whether the vile Body , or that which Corrupteth not ; and again , whether seeing a Transmutation must be from one thing to another , what Change is that , from an Incorruptible Body to an Incorruptible Body ? So that he hath , to avoid the force of the argument , not only not given the Citation , but mis-stated it , and then insults , saying , shall I send him to his Mill , or own Trade of Grinding , or Sawing Timber , for further Instruction ? And yet this Miller hath ground him so , he cannot get fairly off . And therefore , in the next place let us examine G. Keith his Philosophy , When a Man cateth Corn with the Husk , and swalloweth down at least a good quantity of the Husk or Bran , together with the Food that is mixed with it , doth the Husk become any Part of his Body ? Or rather , doth it not belong to the excrement , with other gross parts of the Food , saith he , p. 12. I answer by way of retortion , the Swine that feed on Husk only , and the Prodigal Son who did the like ; if all went into excrement , and none into nourishment , what did they live on ? He saith again , Is there not in all Food one more noble part that becometh not excrement , but is Transmuted into real Flesh , in Man ? But the Husk being not allowed by him to be the more noble part , I ask , What is Transmuted into real Flesh , where the Food is only Husk ? Yet he so values himself upon his Excrementitious and Husky Philosophy , that hence he further argues , Did not what our Saviour Eat , turn into his 〈◊〉 Flesh , and become Incorruptible ? — And was not his Body of Flesh yet further changed after his Resurrection ? &c. And then he tells us for whose sake he Traces this Ignorant Man ( as he calls his Opponent ) of whom he saith , It might seem like casting Pearls before Swine , that so dares to tread under his dirty Feet , such precious Truths of Scripture ; not for his , and his Sadducean Fraternity's ( as he miscalls Friends ) but for others , who he hopes will gather them up , and value them , for the worth of them . To which I say , They must not be very valuable themselves ; who gather up , and value up such Husky Notions . Again , I query , Whether that Food ( that according to G. Keith , was turned into Christs real Flesh , which Flesh was further changed after the Resurrection , and became Incorruptible , as G. Keith saith ) be the same in substance , that it was before the change , and when Corruptible , ? Now I come to what the Friend saith , in his p. 33. with respect to the Soul , As for the Soul ( saith he ) it was a Spiritual substance in its self , before its Sanctifying , as after ( so is not the Body ) so that such a change is surely RATHER a Purification than a Transmutation , even as the washing of a Body besmeared with Dirt , when cleansed , is a Purification , and not a Transmutation . Upon which G. Keith , quoting only from where he saith [ a change is surely ] thus hath it , But still this Ignorant Presumptuous Man runs himself rashly upon the sharp Pricks . Formerly he hath Laboured in vain to destroy the Felicity of the Body of a Saint , and now he Labours as much in v●i● to destroy the Felicity of his Soul , that he makes the Work of Regeneration in the Soul of Man , to be nothing else but a Purification from Sin , as when a Body besmeared with Dirt , is cleansed , that is a Purification , and not a Transmutation . I never heard , nor read ( saith he ) a more Ignorant and Nonsensical Assertion . Answer , Nor I , a more bold Forgery : For where doth the Friend Labour to destroy the Felicity of either Soul or Body ? Where doth he make the work of Regeneration NOTHING ELSE but a Purification , &c. Though he saith , it is RATHER so , than a Transmutation , which was G. Keith's phrase ? He needed not therefore have queried ( as he doth p. 13. ) What is this but to make the Souls of the Saints , nothing but so many Tabulae Rasae , Washed Tables without any beautiful Colours , or lively Portraicture on them ? Is then the Image of God in the Saints no positive thing , but a freedom from Sin , or a Negation of it ? Is Holiness nothing but a Negation of unholiness , & c ? Nor to have added , O wretched Ignorance ! And O Lamentable shame that falls upon the Second Days Weekly Meeting of the People called Quakers , for approving such Antichristian Doctrine , &c , For as the Friend did not deny , that man after his Restoration becometh really Holy , and hath a divine Image , the Image of the Heavenly stamped upon him , even so that the Soul hath the Impression thereof , which yet may be , without change of substance : So G. Keith himself , as little Charity as he useth to have for us or him , seems to allow C. Pusey will not stand to it , upon better Consideration , which shews G. Keith hath been fighting with his own shadow all this while , who thus goes on . But if on better Consideration he be ashamed of his rash assertion [ is G. Keith ashamed of his false Charge ? ] and come to acknowledge , that the Soul by Regeneration , not only is purified from Sin , but wonderfully Changed and transformed , from Natural or Animal , to Spiritual , from Earthly [ Is the Soul Earthly ? ] to Heavenly , and yet the same in substance , let him acknowledge that the mighty Power of God , through Christ that hath thus Changed the Soul , retaining the same Substance , can and will change the low Body of a Saint , and fashion it like the Glorious Body of Christ , &c. Answer , As he misapplies what was said by Paul , of the Natural Body , to the Change or Transformation of the Soul ; so neither do his Parallels hold : For the Soul that is Immortal , is of nearer affinity to Spiritual , than the Mortal which puts on Immortality , and the addition it receives of Beauty and Glory , do not Change its Substance : But what is this to the vile low or Corruptible Body , which is as diametrically opposit to Glorious and Eternal and Incorruptible , as any thing can be ? Can that be changed into Incorruptible and Spiritual , and yet the substance the same , as when corruptible , Fleshly and Mortal ? This indeed he would fain have us grant , and in the next Paragraph pretends to demonstrate , how a natural and Corruptible substance hath been Changed into a Spiritual one , he should have added , and yet the substance not Changed , for that is the matter in debate , and whereupon C. Pusey hath compared his Notion as equally Contradictory to Reason , with that of Transubstantiation . However he attempts to prove it thus , The Food which our Saviour received into his Body , was it not before he received it , Corruptible ? saith he , and answers , Yea , surely it was , and what part of that Food became part of his Body and Flesh it was turned or changed into Incorruptible , &c. p. 13. 14. Answer , I did observe ( though I have not noted it before ) that in Truth Advanced , p. 119. he said , The inferior Creatures , by a sort of innate appetite and desire , encline to be joyned unto Man , as their Head , and to be his Food , that so they may attain to their Per●ection and Restoration in him , which they cannot attain unto otherwise : But I let that pass then , having store of absurdities besides to load him with , yet now he having taken a larger step , to embody them with the Heavenly Man , the Lord from Heaven , shall shall I not say with a cause ( as himself did but lately without a cause ) O wretched Ignorance ! O Lamentable shame ! He that tells the Friend , that as a Shooemaker goes beyond his Last , so he beyond his Sphere of knowledge , What becomes of our Master of Arts now ? Had he not better have kept to his employ , of teaching of School-Boys , than thus to go beyond his Sphere of knowledge , as to draw such Inferences , which would fetch in the very Beasts of the Field , Fowls of the Air and Fish of the Sea , to become part of Christs Body and Flesh in Heaven ? A second thing I observe in that very Paragraph , p. 14. is , that he cites Malice of Independent Agent , p. 17. which he assigns to G. Whitehead as the Author of , to prove that the Body of Christ is at present an Incorruptible Substance , The words I find in said Page to be thus , Seeing we have always believed and confessed the Immortality and entire beings of the Souls of all other men , it must needs be evidently unjust to accuse us with denying the Manhood of Christ , or Jesus of Nazareth , to have a being both as to his Soul and Body . And seeing G. Keith hath Read this , and thereby perceived that the Divine existence of Christs Manhood in Heaven was so fully acknowledged , what a kind of Man must he be to insinuate the contrary against G. Whitehead . The Friend having shewed that G. Keith had asserted , that the grossy part ( called by Paul Corruption ) is not proper to Man as Man , nor no proper part of Mans Body , and the other part Corrupteth not , argueth thus , How then is it said of David that he slept with his Fathers and saw Corruption , and of Job , I have said of Corruption , Thou art my Father ? &c. And how is Man in Scripture , called Corruptible Man ? See his p. 32. This G. Keith calls Wrangling and Quibling from his own gross Misunderstanding of some places of Scripture [ but he doth not enform him better , though he adds ] if he will take these Scriptures strictly and litterally , he must as much contend against the Immortality of the Soul , as the Resurrection of the Body , &c. But why so ? Doth G. Keith manifest wherein ? Or give any proof that these Scriptures are not to be taken strictly and litterally ? Nothing less . They were pat and argumentum ad hominem to him , the enervating whereof he shifts by huffing . What he adds of the mortal Body of Man being truly said to be Corruptible , because it consists of two Heterogeneous parts , the one noble , the other ignoble , to wit the Husk , Dross or Cortex , and after the Separation of the Noble from the ignoble , is not Corrupt , &c. Is not ad rem . The question is not about Husk , Dross or Cortex , but of what was proper to Man as Man , whether that Corrupts , and how David could be said to see Corruption , or Job , that Corruption was his Father , &c. If nothing of Man as Man be Corrupt , the which he hath rather sought to evade than answer . The like the Friend urged from G. Keith's saying , The Man-Eaters may eat the gross part of Mans Body , yet that more subtile and Invisible tart , they cannot eat , asking , What is this but to say , the Man-eaters may eat Mans Body , but they cannot eat the substance of Mans Body ? p. 34. 35. This G. Keith never ●ites , yet infers from it , that he would with ●is devouring Throat Eat or Swallow up the Resurrection of the Body , which shews G. Keith is better Skilled in the Art of Railing than disputing ; he knows who called that a Black Art once , with something more I may chance to put him ●n mind of , before we part ( see Way Cast up , p. 169. ) Besides C. Pusey did not seek to Swallow up the Doctrine of the Resurrection of the Body , but to detect his explication , as un●ound and unscriptural , as well as Contradictory But how doth it appear that his Opponent ●yneth with Atheists and Sadducees in arguing against the Resurrection of the Body ( being the same ● substance ) from the Man-Eaters , as G. Keith ●harged him ? Do the Atheists and Saducees acknowledge there is a Resurrection , yet not the ●●me in substance ? Or doth not the one deny ●here is a God , Heaven or Hell , and the other that there is a Resurrection ( at all ) or Angel , or Spirit , as in Acts 23. 8. Are these Case Parallel ? Or is it not rather manifest that G. Keith's Suggestions are as false , as they are malicious ? Who no longer ago than in the Year 1691. in his Book , called , Presbyterian and Independent Churches , tells his Reader , It is a notorious false Charge , that we deny the Manhood ● the Lord Jesus Christ , and affirm , that as Ma● he is not in Heaven , or that we deny the Resurection of the Dead : But because we deny the● carnal Conceptions of the Resurrection , and h●● us to Scripture Words , which is most safe , therefore they have so beli●d us , saith he , p. 22● 228. And the Case is the same now between us and him . C. Pusey further saith in his p. 35. Is not this ● contrary to that common Understanding th● God hath given Man , as the Popish Doctrin● of Transubstantiation . For the Papists s●● Though as to their Sense , they eat the ver● Bread , it having the very colour , the smell the taste and shew of Bread , yet the Substance of Bread they eat not : So G. Keith hold That though Man-Eaters may eat the visible Part of Mans Body , which is seen with the outward Eyes , yet the Matter and Substanc● of Mans Body they cannot eat , &c. This G. Keith , though he gives us not the Friend Words , inveighs loudly against , saying , From this he most nonsensically inferrs , that I affirm t● Man-Eaters eat the accidents of Mans Body , & Again , I neither said nor thought the Man-Eate● eat only the accidents , &c. This he Ter● quibbling , partly from his gross Ignorance , and partly from th●●●rversion and Prejudice of his 〈…〉 shall I say of G. Keith , who gives not the Friends Words at all , y●● foist●th in , as said by him , what there is no● Syllable of in the Book ; no mention of 〈◊〉 , ●he Word not so much as named , for I have ●iven almost the whole of what was said there ●● that Subject ? Whence came this , but from ●erversion and Prejudice of Spirit , not gross Ignorance , for it was done wittingly ? He goes ●● , I distinguished betwixt the Radix and principal Substance of Mans Body , and the drossy Part which is frequently separated from the noble vo●ile Part , by Chymical Operations . Answ . Thus ●● makes two Substances to Mans Body , and ●e Man-Eaters to be the Chymists to make this ●eparation . But supposing these Man-Eaters ●t not the Body , till after a Year more or less , ● which time he allows ( Truth Advanced , p. ●17 . ) the Separation may be made betwixt the ●●nel and the drossy Part , do they then our Mans ●ody ? Or do they not ? Or what is it they do it , if that be not Mans Body ? And whereas back this Assertion , he queries , p. 15. Whether Robbers that swallowed down Gold , did eat it ? Answer , The Instance is very remote , except ● could prove they eat the drossy Part , and ●t the more refined behind them , then it had ●uer suited his Purpose , But what he in●●ances in Iron , the Demonstration is more ob●ous ; Men do not eat Iron , because they do ●●t digest it , but the Ostrich , that digests it , ●aid to eat Iron . Query , Whether the Substance of Iron , when eaten , the excrementitious Part voided , and the more noble Part transmuted into real Flesh in the Ostrich ( a Notion he hath favoured in p. 12. and I have commented upon ) be the same , as before it was eaten ? And to his last clause in the Paragraph , viz. As every Body hath a distinct Seed , so th● Radix of every Body is a distinct Radix , I say , if every Body have it's distinct Seed and Radix , the● Man's Body before the Fall had so , and must there be a Radix to the Cloathes also ? To th● Coats of Skins ( which he interpreteth , Truth Advanced , p. 27. to be the Skin and Flesh o● this frail , mortal and corruptible Body ) t● that which he saith , Ibid. p. 113. is not proper to Man as Man , and this such a Radix , a● the Man-Eaters cannot eat with the dross and husky Part ? The Miller , whom he would send to his Mill , and cautioneth not to go beyond his Sphear of Knowledge , is a better Philosopher than this comes to . Now after all his bluster of Sadducees , Sadducean Fraternity , &c. he brings in his Opponent owning a Resurrection of Just and Unjust though to help himself off , he brands him with great Hypocrisy , who being a prejudiced Adversary , and offering no reasonable Demonstration ; I submit it to the Candid to make their Judgment of both of them , and so leave it . Nor shall I now debate with him , whether the Primitive Christians were come to any result about what their Bodies should be : It is sufficient , that he hath not detected us , whatever he would have Men believe concerning us , to have deviated from the Faith of the Resurrection , or from Scripture Terms and Expressions , to which he hath said it is only safe to keep in this and all other things , as hath been instanced . To C. Pusey's query , If it was the common belief of the Primitive Christians , that the very same Matter and Substance of this corruptible Body , should be the Body that is raised , why should any , among themselves especially , have asked such a needless Question , as with what Body do they come ? G. Keith Answers , Such who asked that Question , were such among them , that said there was no Resurrection of the Dead , 1 Cor. 15. 12. Answ . This is no ways deduceable from that Scripture , nor any other that I can find : For the Question asked ver . 12. was answered , and a new one raised ver . 35. to which in ver . 36. Paul replied , Thou Fool , &c. The one said there is no Resurrection , the other disputed inquisitively about the Modus , or Manner of it , how ? And with what Body ? And were distinctly answered . So that in this G. Keith grosly errs , and needs Correction , as he once told the Rector of Arrow . But the Translation [ with what Body ] doth not please him , who seems to think well of nothing , but what himself hath a Hand in . He would have it , with what quality [ why not rather , what kind ? ] of Body , and adds , this their querying , was a sort of arguing against the thing it self , p. 16. First he imposeth his own Version , then a Dogmatical Inference without Proof , which as such I reject , as I do also his slander against us , a little below , that we argue against the Resurrection of the Body it self , from the Manner of it . Against C. Pusey's having shewed G. Keith his contradictory Assertions to be as little reconcileable to Reason , as the Popish Doctrine of Transubstantiation , G. Keith alledgeth , that professing to hold a Resurrection of the Body , but not of that same Substance , falls in with the Popish Transubstantiation . Answ . Surely to say , It is no more a Body of Flesh , Blood and Bones , but a pure aethereal , or heavenly Body , and yet that the Substance remaineth the same , that it was on Earth , which G. Keith hath confessed to , p. 4. is more like their Doctrine , who say , The Form of Bread remains , yet it is the real Flesh and Blood of Christ , than our saying with the Scriptures , Thou sowest not that Body that shall be , but God giveth it a Body , as it hath pleased him , and to every Seed it s own Body , 1 Cor. 15. 37 , 38. For as he hath said in another Place , we have good Company ( even the Apostle Paul ) on our side , which he hath not for himself . What follows as a Charge against G. Whitehead and W. Penn , That the Saints get the Resurrection immediately after Death , and that they both argue against the Deceased Saints expecting any Resurrection of the Body , &c. He not offering to prove upon them , out of any of their Po●ks , I lightly pass over , as knowing G. Keith too well , to trust to his general Accusations , and them better than to Credit such Evidence against them . Nor shall I engage in what he further offers , p. 17. relating to their differences in America , whereto I am not Privy : Yet may say , that a free and bold laying open of our Sufferings , when hardly and illeg●lly dealt with ( as in the Case of W. Penn and W. Mead their Tryals ) bears no Proportion to giving a Magistrate ill Language and provoking Terms , for we have not so learned Christ . Neither need G. Keith ask his Opponent , p. 18. a Proof , that he is a Man of a wrong Spirit ! adding , What o●e evil thing hath he proved against me in all his Book , either in Doctrine or Conversation ? For any that compares the Book and Answer together , in a right Spirit , will see there is sufficient to detect G. Keith to be of a wrong Spirit : And what is wanting there , himself hath made up since , in bitterness , in envy , in reviling and slandering Gods Heritage , which I pray he may be sensible of , before too late . In p. 18. G. Keith makes a general Reference to what C. Pusey gave ( in several Pages ) out of his Truths Desence , p. 169 , 170 , 171. And upon the whole saith , he remains in the same Mind still , that he would have nothing urged , nor pressed as Articles of Faith , but what is delivered to us in plain express Scripture Words , which ( he saith ) is the Substance of that large Citation . Answ . The Substance of that Citation was more comprehensive than so , as who so please to read it in the Original cited above , may find , wherein he declares that Charity and makes those Proposals of Concord with the otherwise Minded , as suits not with his late Actions . Yet from what he hath here given , as the Substance of that large Citation , the Friend Objects , p. 53. that this Advice could not find Place with G. Keith , when so often desired , and queries , What Uncharitableness is this , when we offer to express our Faith in Scripture Words , for you to say , we have another Sense than what we speak , see his p. 54. G. Keith makes Answer , It is false in him to say , that this was so often desired , but could not find Place — I said again and again , We shall take your Confession in Scripture Words , provided ye will condemn your Errors , that are contrary to express Scripture Words — But this ( saith he ) they would never do . And perhaps they held no such Errors , as he charged them with , and so had none to condemn , say I : However this being true , that such an offer was made by Friends , and thus replied to by him ( which is so far from never refusing , that it includeth a refusal , in tying them to such Terms , as no Innocent Man can comply with , without an implicit acknowledgment of Guilt ) the next thing I observe is , that whereas his Opponent queried , How know ye that we have a Sense contrary to Scripture Words , G. Keith Answers , They have sufficiently discovered it , not only by one or two unsound Expressions , but Multitudes of them , as their Letters , and Manuscripts there , and the Printed Books here , sufficiently prove . Answ . This Reference is wide enough : What is in their Letters and Manuscripts there , we know not , nor are we like , for ought I see , though he hath long threatned us with them ? Again , what Printed Books here , doth he mean ? What is their Title ? In what Page ? Who the Author ? Surely he thinks his Credit is great , that the Reader must take all from him , upon trust , without Examination . But at length he comes to one particular Case , by which we may give a guess of the rest . It is in haec verba . We need go no further for a Proof ( saith he ) than the most gross and Antichristian Expressions and Sayings of Caleb Pusey himself , in this very Treatise , for whereas he hath plainly affirmed p. 15. ad finem , That Jesus of Nazareth cannot be something else than the Light , Power and Spirit within . Now can there be any thing more contrary to express Scripture , than this Assertion : Was not Jesus of Nazareth a real Man , consisting of Soul and Body , in whom the fulness of the Godhead dwelt bodily ? — And is that Body , and that Soul , and that fulness nothing else but the Light within us ? O abominable Non-sense , and Perversion , and Contradiction to Scripture , and all true Reason ! Ans . By that Time I have given C. Pusey his Words , I doubt not but to make appear that G. Keith is a Man nullius fidei , not to be trusted : For this he calls a plain Affirmation , was but an Inference or Deduction from what G. Keith had laid down , and no ways designed , as here alledged , to deny Jesus of Nazareth to be both God and Man. C. Pusey , p. 15 , 16. thus hath it , Seing G. Keith's Answer to R. Gordon , implies , that the Light , Power and Spirit within , is Christ the only Mediator and Saviour , and that so to assert is not to assert another Christ than Jesus of Nazareth , then surely Jesus of Nazareth cannot be something else than the Light , Power and Spirit within , because Jesus of Nazareth is the ONLY Christ , Mediator and Saviour , and SO is the Light , Power and Spirit within acknowledged to be . And if the same , then not any thing else . Thus far C. Pusey , now where is G. Keith his Inference ? Where the Antichristianism ? Where the abominable Non-sense , Perversion and Contradiction to Scripture , & c ? Where doth the Friend deny him to be a real Man , consisting of Soul and Body , or that he is our Mediator and Saviour ? Nay if applicable to either of them , it must be to G. Keith himself , whose the Assertion is ; not to C. Pusey for citing it , and arguing from it ad hominem . He that will so palpably abuse a Man to his Face , as I may so say , when Evidence so near to be produced , what will he do behind his back ? But perhaps he thought every Reader would not scan it , and so it might have passed . From G. Keith his having in that Book of Truth 's Defence urged , that nothing should be pressed as Articles of Faith , but what is delivered in plain Expressions of Scripture Words , the Friend put seven Queries to him , from p. 56 , to 59. wherein he demands express Words of Scripture for several of G. Keith his Assertions , whereof G. Keith takes no notice ( except of the third Query , about the four hundred Pieces of Silver Abraham Purchased the Burying Place with , which I have remarked under my second Head ) but gives him six Queries , by way of Retortion . To which I say , when he hath answered those Queries , grounded upon his own thesis , whereby he ought to be bound , I may give an answer to his , which as stated , are not our Principles , but his own unfair deductions . He goes on , p 19. Though I remain still in the same mind , that no Article of Faith should be urged , on any , but what is Contained in plain express words of Scripture , or so agreeable to express Scripture , as the common sense of all Mankind , that hears Scripture words , must acknowledge , &c. — Yet I see not why I should be so confined to express Scripture words , in things that I require no man to own or believe , as Articles of Faith , &c. And towards the bottom , For there are many things , both in my Book called Truth Advanced , and in many other of my Books , wherein I may possibly differ from others in Judgment , yet I leave them to their Liberty to dissent , as I desire to be left to my Liberty , to believe as I judge God hath persuaded me . Answer , Waving the additional Terms [ so agreeable to express Scripture , as common sense , &c. ] wherein he is likely enough to make himself the Judge , what is and what is not so , I tell him , Of what kind many of his are , even with respect to Articles of Faith , hath in part been manifest , and have been Communicated in several parts of this my treatise ; yet we deny him not a Liberty to dissent , as persuaded in himself , so long as his Dissent affects himself only , and he is not quarrelsom with us , stigmatizing us as Atheists , Sadducees , Sadducean Fraternity , &c. As he hath done , upon account of doctrines himself allows to be Articles of the Christian Faith , yet therein hath run so wide from Scripture Terms and Expressions , as hath been shewed . But we would , if possible , hold him to his own rule , that if it be only safe to keep close to Scripture words and expressions , he should do it , at least in Articles of Faith , of which that of the Resurrection is one . And in as much as he urgeth upon us , p. 39. That Scripture ( 1 Pet. 3. 15. ) of being ready to give an answer of the reason of the hope that is in us , surely it cannot be amiss in us to demand the like of him , as well as to shew the reason of our dissent from him , where we find him incongruous and absurd , as well as Unscriptural . What remains , p. 20. Being but a repetition of his former Slanders , relating to the suffitiency of the Light within , so excluding our Lord Jesus of Nazareth , his Death , Sufferings , &c. From being Concerned in our Salvation , and his suggesting our not owning Justification by Christs Blood outwardly shed , as he offers no Proof , though he hath oft asserted the Contrary on our behalf , I shall barely reject them as false Charges , not desiring to fatigue my Reader . And now for a close of this part , G. Keith having so often insulted over his Opponent , as a Miller Philosopher , one going beyond his Last , his Sphere of knowledge , who had better keep working at his Mill , to his own Trade of Grinding or Sawing Timber ( See p. 5. 11. 15. &c. ) I shall wind up these with some few instances , declaring what himself once thought and said of that , whereupon he now so values himself , as an indication , that even herein , the Man is changed from better to worse . In his Book called , Help in time of need ( Printed Anno. 1665. ) he thus saith , Away with the education of Youth at Universities and Colledges of Philosophy , so called . I may say of them , which Luther stuck not to call them in his Day , that they are the stews of Antichrist , p. 75. 76. Again , p. 76. ' And the Philosophy , so called , which is taught them , is but meer Deceit and Pedantry , which even I came to see , when among them — And towards the bottom , I certainly know the Human Wisdom or Learning is one of the MAIN Bulwarks of Antichrist against the Revelation , and setting up the Kingdom of Christ in the Earth , and because this is arising , and shall rise , down must the other go , and all who seek to uphold it , shall fall therewith . Surely then G. Keith hath no such great cause to vaunt himself over another , for his Skill in that Learning , which himself confesseth to be a main Bulwark of Antichrist , which must fall with its upholders ; wherein G. Keith may chance to be a truer Prophet against himself , than he is aware of . In his Book of Immediate Revelation ( Printed Anno. 1676. ) he saith , Then down should all the PROUD , LORDING , LOFTY CLERGY , with their many degrees of DOCTORSHIPS , LORDSHIPS and MASTERSHIPS , pass , who being Strangers to the true knowledge — are vainly puffed up in their Fleshly minds , by the form of knowledge in the Letter , as I was my self , whilst among them , and thought all Men Idiots and Unlearned , who were not Skilled in that litteral knowledge ; but the Lord , by his Grace , brought me to see the Vanity of all that knowledge , &c. p. 137. But [ now ] it is happened unto [ him ] according to the true Proverb , The Dog is turned to his own Vomit again , &c. 2 Pet. 2. 22. And what God once brought him to see the Vanity of , is again become his Glory , so that he again thinks such to be Idiots and Fools , who are not Skilled in that Pedantry himself formerly was ( and of late is ) vainly puffed up by , though if he will believe himself ( Truths Defence , P. 69. Printed Anno. 1684. ) he hath no such great cause , for he there saith , As to my Learning , that is but very ordinary , and a thing I neither can nor OUGHT to glory in . His Learning I shall not endeavour to debase : His Glorying in it , and depretiating others for want of it , whilst himself hath represented that kind of knowledge so pernicious , is what drew me to offer these , which leaving with the Reader , I thus conclude my answer to his Cavils against the Book stiled Modest Account , and betake my self to G. Keith's Postscript , who thus introduceth himself , p. 40. It may seem strange , how it comes to pass ( saith G. Keith ) that while so many pious and Learned Men are Judged to be found in this Nation , not only of the Church of England , but among the Dissenters and Non-Conformists , there are found so few among them all , that do imply their gifts to oppose such Vile Errors , as are holdly and avowedly promoted among a sort an GANG of the People called Quakers , not only as bad as ANY Popery , but MUCH WORSE than the WORST of Popery , in divers respects , &c. Answer , What those Principles of ours are , which he counts much worse than the worst of Peopery , he is so far from proving upon us ( though he exclaims as virulently , as the Jews of Old , who said , Men of Israel help , This is the Man that teacheth all men every where , against the People , and the law , and this place , Act. 21. 28. ) that he doth not so much as name them . The Papists Doctrine of Transubstantiation , of Purgatory , of Invocation of Saints ( which is at least a tacit rejecting of Christs Mediatorship ) and their deifying the Virgin Mary , as the Saviour of Mankind , with attributes to God and Christ , are so bad in my Judgment , whatever they are in his , that there need none worse . And if our Principles had really been much worse than the worst of these , methinks his Pious and Learned Men ( of all Perswasions ) should not have been so supine these 40. Years , that they need now to be stirred up , to creep in at the Tail of an Apostate , to do his Drudgery for him , and that such an one , who not only makes such poor earnings of it , but ( perhaps for 25. Years together ) hath defended us and our Principles against them , and particularly in his Looking-Glass for Protestants , Printed Anno. 1674. endeavoureth to make it appear ( as he gives out , in the Title-Page ) that the Quakers are the truest Protestants , because ( as he there saith ) their Testimony agreeth with the Testimony of the Antient Protestants , in the most weighty things , &c. And whereas he denominateth us a gang , I would fain know what Gang he is of now ? And I was going to put a harder Question to him , what Gang he intends to be of next , but that I believe he cannot resolve me , neither knowing his own Mind , nor who will trust him . Yet by what follows , he bids fair for the Papists , as if he had an Aking Tooth after them . I am Confident , saith he , if such Antichristian Errors and Heresies were but the TENTH PART so avowedly broached in the City of Rome , or any where else in Popish Countries , these esteemed Watchmen among them , would be more alarmed to oppose them , &c. Then most among Protestants do . There 's a Box on the Ear for such as will not be at his Beck . Methinks he rates his betters , as if he had got a Benefice already : But stay , Ad huc tua seges in herba est , he must learn more Manners to his Benefactors , if he expect Promotion , who , if he be thus malapert now , what will he be , when he hath caught the Fish . Now to make sure Work of it , he labours yet further to incense the National Ministers against us ( and anon the Civil Powers , yet would fain Men should think , It is farr from him to desire the least Sufferings to come on our Persons or Estates , as he pretends in the next Page : But as the Dutchman says , Dit gaet zo verre al 's hy voeton heeft , it goes as far as it hath Legs to stand on ) in Order whereto , he layeth before them , That we have provoked such as have differed from us , to publick Disputes Viva voce , and have oft gloried over them , who refused to answer us , that their cause was Bad , &c. He knows who hath said , Deceit lurks in Generals : Wish he assign Time , Place and Person , perhaps he may be answered , for Circumstances of things much vary the Case . They may have detracted us behind our backs Vivâ voce , they may have insulted over us , when absent , &c. with more that I might insist on . But if he will accuse , let him descend to particulars ; till then wonder not ( Reader ) that I reject such Evidence . The Case with him , which Galls him , and makes him wince so , is that when he had defamed and falsly aspersed us in Print , to which we answered by Print , we could not be drawn to quit that Defence , by a Vivâ voce debate , to which he had summoned us . Now not being gratified here , and we objecting the inequitableness of such a procedure , the turbulency of the Man ( where of this present Postscript is a sufficient Indication ) and the unsuitableness of the time , with respect to the Publick Peace of the Nation , he bursts out into this Extravagancy , as if he designed that Men of all Ranks should be let loose upon us . In Order whereto he applies himself in the next Place to the Civil Authority , telling them , p. 41. It would be a commendable and praise worthy thing , to enceurage such a Practice throughout the Nation , that Men of true Piety and Solid Learning might beallowed and countenanced to refute these vile and abominable Errors , of these chief Leaders and Teachers among the Quakers , at the end of their Meetings , &c. and to give Order , that all such Books of them called Quakers , as can readily be found ( as great store of such there are , he saith ) that contain such vile and abominable Errors , &c. may be suppressed and witnessed against by publick Authority . Answ . I doubt not but this Work would please him well , especially if he might have an Inquisitors place of it , whereby he might both gratifie his revenge against the Quakers , and also pick up some little income to help him against that ruine and want , which W. Penn his calling him Apostate , tended to expose him to , as himself complains , Advertisement , p. 4. Yet two things I would put him in Mind of , first , that he even now Proposed , that with what measure we have met to others , with the same to mete to us again . Would he have been willing to have been thus served , by the Powers of this Nation , when he termed Prelacy a Limb of Antichrist , and declared how he had vowed to God against it , which vow we have kept to ( saith he to the Presbyterians ) ye have shrunk from ( see Help in time of need , p. 37 , 39. Printed Anno 1665. ) or by a Presbyterian Ministry and Magistracy , whose Form of Church Discipline , Order and Government , he hath represented ( Ibid. p. 52. ) nothing upon the Matter better than the Episcopal , as well as told a Preacher of that Communion , he was better skilled in the Art of Railing ( a black Art to be sure , saith G. Keith , too familiar to the Tribe of Black Coats ) than in the way of Disputing ( Way cast up , p. 169. ) Doth he think these are not reputed Vile Errors and Slanders by the Men of that way on which he hath thus reflected ? And though perhaps he would now turn both Coat and Colour , and no more talk thus sawcily of black Art , and Tribe of black Coats , provided he might be Dignified with some Ecclesiastical Preferment ; yet these are what he hath not yet retracted at least in Publick , as well as that I from hence Appeal to him , whether he would have been so served himself , as he now animates others to serve us ? The second thing I would mind him of , is that this , however palliated by him , is Persecution , for it excites the Magistrate , not only to supervise , but also SUPPRESS , what he shall call vile and abominable Errors , of which it makes him Judge , which how acceptable it would be to the Protestant Dissenters in general , to have their Books thus come under the Scrutiny , and be liable to be exposed to the judicial censure of their Antagonists , I leave to them to consider . Yet I think it is obvious , that the Buddings of Reformation , in any Age , were never due to such Courses , for it must suppose the Magistrate to be still in the right , whether the Government be Papistical , Prelatical , Presbyterian , Indepenpent , Baptist , yea or Quakers , if that were supposeable , as well that it had been a ready way to have suppreffed the spreading of the New Testament , by Jew and Gentile , in the first Promulgation of the Gospel , and of translating the Bible since the Reformation from Popery , it not being to be doubted , but the Men then in Authority were as likely to brand those Holy Writings , or the Translations at least , with as opprobrious Names , as G. Keith now bestows upon us ; and if they might have been allowed to be both Judge and Jury , no Question but they would have made quick dispatch . But that a pretended Protestant ( yea one who hath valued himself as a Quaker , for 33 Years together , and hath not as yet renounced the Name ) should advise the present Powers ( who have given us a larger and better founded Liberty , than in the foregoing Reigns ) to suppress the Religious Tracts of such , whom he once reputed as Brethren , and whose Doctrines he defended against them as Orthodox , for so many Years together , is what I need not aggravate : It speaks for it self . But the Occasion of this Fury is soon explained , viz. After he had been litigous in America , he or some of his Agents Laboured to Transmit the difference hither , by sending over several Contentious Books of G. Keith's , which some Friends here , both desiring G. Keith might be restored into Unity again , and himself come to see and acknowledge his Evil therein , and also to prevent that difference dilating it self to the scandal of our Profession , and the stumbling of the weak , bought up several of those Books , and kept them from being dispersed . This is what he calls giving LARGE MONEY ( whom he compares us to , by the Expression , is easie to guess ) and this heats him to that degree , that he would fain irritate the National Clergy and Powers to disturb our Meetings , as well as suppress our Books , who then might Scribble and Scribble again , and never be pestered with Replies . Hence it is , that he is so clamorous against the second Days Morning Meeting at London ( to whom himself formerly ( at some times ) hath applied himself , when he had Books to Print , particularly , those Books called Light of Truth , and Divine Immediate Revelation , were read and approved there , as he confesseth , p. 5 , and 22. ) for he saith in his p. 3. They assume a Power to license and approve of all Books that are to be Printed by any of their Party , and have approved this Book falsly called a Modest Account , and all the late scandalous Books of Tho. Ellwood and John Penington come forth against me [ Ay that 's their crime , that they approve of Books , which detect him ] and claim Authority over all other Meetings ( the Yearly Meeting perhaps excepted ) ending out their Circular Letters to all other Meetings , in all Parts of the World , &c. Answ . Shall Men of different perswasions from us be empowered to inspect our Books , stamp their Cum Privilegio upon the one , and suppress the other ; and shall not we , among our selves , have the Liberty to supervise what we can stand by , what not , before exposed to the view and censure of Men otherwise Minded ? He is willing we should have the reproach , obloquy and Sufferings due ( in his Judgment to vile and abominable Errors , while he reflects upon our care to prevent both the one and the other , by first supervising our own Books , our selves , that as what comes forth he would make to affect the whole Society , so it may be overlooked by faithful and approved Men of that Society . O unreasonable Man ! Yet would he be ingenious , it is evident , by his own Example formerly , that it is not so much our Order , and Practice , as our Judgment relating to him and his late envious Pieces , under which he is so uneasie , that he goes on . To whom [ viz. the second Days Meeting ] the Meetings from all places direct their Letters upon any Occurrence of difference , &c. Answ . This is false in Fact , that Meeting claim● no such Authority , assumes no such Power , neither is it invested in them . He adds , The which Meeting may be fitly compared to the Conclave of Cardinals at Rome , but who is the Metropolitan at present , of this new erected Hierarchy at London is not certainly known , as whether W. Penn or G. Whitehead . Answ . The Pious and Learned among the Church of England , are little beholden to G. Keith , to set them upon such a VVork , which in us he upbraids as fitly comparable to the Roman Hierarchy : Surely their Piety and Learning might be better employed . To the rest , I ask him , when he knew us to have a Metropolitan among us ; and if we had one now , whether it were likely he could be so ignorant , as not to know which of the two , it was , whether W. Penn or G. Whitehead : But G. Keith hath worded it cautiously , as well as malitiously ; seeing what never was , can never he certainly known . Might he himself have been a Metropolitan , I doubt not but he would have been willing to have continued longer among us : For he cavilleth at what he ( Diotrephes like ) coveted for himself , and proveth quarrelsom because we could not allow him , the preheminence he sought after : For we have none such among us , nor do we own any Head but Christ . And now Reader , having traced the Man through his Contradictions , through his Absurdities , through his Envy and Bitterness here exposed , and having defended my Self and Friends from the empty Cavils of the Book under Consideration , I submit the foregoing to thy Impartial Examination , to be weighed by thee in that Ballance , which giveth rightly to judge , both as a Man , and as a Christian , and bid thee farewel . John Penington . Beel-house , 28. of 6th . Month 1696. If they call the Master of the House Beelvebub , how much more them of his Houshold ? Mat. 10. 25. THE END . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A54084-e620 Light of Truth Triumphing . 1670. Nature of Christianity , 1671. Universal Grace , 1671. Looking-Glass , 1674. Immediate Revelation , 1676. Way cast vp , 1677. ☞ Way to City of God , 1678. ☞ Rector Corrected , 1680. Truths Defence , 1682. Divine Immediate Revelation , 1684. Catechism , 1690. Truth Advanced , 1694. Antichrists and Sadduces detected . Page 21. Page 22. Page 23. Page 24. page , 25. Page 15. Page 27. Page 28. Page 29. Page 30. Page 31. Page 32. Page 33. Page 34. Page , 36. Page , 37. Page , 35. Page , 36 , Page 37. Page , 38. Page , 39. Page 4. Page 5. Page 6. Page , 7. Page 8. Page , 9 Page , 10. Page , 11. Page , 12. Page , 13. Page , 14 , Page 15. Page 16. Page 17. Page 18. Page , 19. Page 20. Page , 40. Page 41.