One antidote more, against that provoking sin of swearing, by reason of which this land now mourneth given forth from under the burden of the oppressed seed of God, by way of reply both to Henry Den's epistle about the lawfulness, antiquity, and universality of an oath, and his answers to the Quakers objections against it, recommended (by him) to all the prisons in this city and nation to such as chuse restraint, rather then the violation of their consciences : and also to Jeremiah Ives his printed plea for swearing, entitituled, The great case of conscience opened, &c. about the lawfulness or unlawfulness of swearing, which said reply to these two opposers of the truth, as it is in Jesus, is recommended not onely to all the prisons in this city and nation, and to all such real Christians, as chuse restraint rather then the violation of their consciences, but also, to all such nominal Christians out of prison, as, rather then restrain, chuse to purchase their earthly liberties by swearing, to the violation of the command of Christ, who saith, Mat. 5.33, swaer not at all. 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Jam. 5.12, above all things my brethren swear not / by Samuel Fisher ... Fisher, Samuel, 1605-1665. [2], 78 p. Printed for Robert Wilson ..., London : [1660?] Reproduction of original in Cambridge University Library. eng Denne, Henry, 1606 or 7-1660? -- Epistle recommended to all the prisons in this city and nation. Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674. -- Great case of conscience opened. Oaths -- Early works to 1800. Swearing -- Early works to 1800. A39572 R5750 (Wing F1054). civilwar no One antidote more, against that provoking sin of swearing, by reason of which this land now mourneth. Given forth from under the burden of t Fisher, Samuel 1660 39420 146 255 0 0 0 0 102 F The rate of 102 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the F category of texts with 100 or more defects per 10,000 words. 2003-06 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2003-06 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2003-07 Judith Siefring Sampled and proofread 2003-07 Judith Siefring Text and markup reviewed and edited 2003-08 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion One Antidote more , Against that Provoking SIN of SWEARING , By reason of which this Land now mourneth . Given forth from under the Burden of the OPPRESSED-SEED of God , By way of REPLY both to Henry Den's Epistle about the Lawfulness , Antiquity , and Universality of an Oath , and his Answers to the Quakers Objections against it , Recommended ( by him ) to all the Prisons in this City and Nation , to such as chuse Restraint , rather then the violation of their Consciences . And also to Ieremiah Ives his Printed Plea for Swearing , entitituled , The Great Case of Conscience opened , &c. about the lawfulness or unlawfulness of Swearing . Which said REPLY to these two Opposers of the Truth , as it is in Jesus , is recommended not onely to all the Prisons in this City and Nation , and to all such Real Christians , as chuse Restraint rather then the violation of their Consciences ; but also , to all such Nominal Christians out of Prison , as , rather then restraint , chuse to purchase their Earthly Liberties by Swearing , to the violation of the Command of Christ , who saith , Mat. 5. 33. Swear not at all : Iam. 5. 12. Above all things my brethren swear not . By Samuel Fisher , now Prisoner in Newgate for his Testimony to the Truth of Iesus , this 20th . day of the 12th . Month , 1660. For the Land is full of Adulterers . For because of Oaths the Land mourneth , &c. Jer. 23. 10 , 11 , 12 , &c. By Swearing , and lying , and killing , and stealing , and committing adultery , they break out , and blood toucheth blood . Therefore shall the Land Mourn , and every one that dwelleth therein shall Languish , Hosea 4. 2 , 3. Lond●● Printed for Robert Wilson , in Martins near Aldersgate . One Antidote more against that provoking Sin of Swearing , by reason of which this Land now mourneth , &c. THe Ministers of Justice ( so called ) taking occasion ( whether justly or no , God will judge ) by the KING's late Proclamation , ( occasioned through that late desperate attempt in this City of London ) to flye with great force and violence upon thousands of People living peaceably and quietly , professing Godliness ; and more fiercely then on any others , upon those called Quakers , whose Practice , Principle , Profession , Purpose and Promise it hath been , and is , to forgo all fighting with Carnal Weapons , so as never to lift up an outward Sword against the King , or any other man , so much as in the Defence of themselves , much less the Offence of others , nor to learn War ( in that kind ) any more ; have driven the●… by droves into prison , insomuch as ( England never saw the like ) the prisons are so full , that there is hardly any room for more . And though the Innocency of the foresaid People appeareth many ways , as well by the Confession of the dying offenders , as their own Protestations , and the Confession of the men that would be glad to find occasion against them , but are not able , neither will they in any thing , save pertaining to the Worship of God ; yet are they kept in Bonds , as with a Snare , which at this day holds them in , and shuts the prison doors upon them , in that , though they are taught by Christ and his Apostles , Matth. 5. 33. Iam. 5. 12. not to swear at all , or in any wise , no not by any Oath whatsoever ; yet that Oath of Allegiance ▪ ( required at first for no other end but the finding out of Popish Recusants , and the tryal of mens faithfulness to the King , after the discovery of that Papistical piece of Treachery in the horrid Powder-Plot in K. Iames his dayes ) is now ( besides the first true intent and purpose of it ) by some ( who more deeply despited & dis-served the late King , his Father , then they can ever serve the King now reigning by their furious drivings ) more in malicious hatred against the Quakers , his truest friends , then in any right love or friendship to him , most illegally and unduly imposed on the Quakers , who by Hen. Den himself , in his Quaker no Papist , are prov'd to all men to be no Papists ; and of whose active obedience to him in all things lawful , as well as of their passive obedience , or patient suffering under the Imposition of things unlawful , without violent resistance , both the King and his Council , as well as most sober-minded men throughout this Nation not only may be , but ( I verily believe ) even are also , by this time , informed sufficiently to satisfaction . I say , the said Oath is unduly imposed , or rather unjustly used , as a Spiders Web , as some Net or evil Engine , wherewith many envious minded men design the entrapping , entangling and ensnaring such harmless , honest , innocent , and tender-hearted people , against whom they bear any private grudge , particular spleen , or personal enmity ; so that when they would ( in way of revenge ) express themselves to the terrifying of such fools as they think will be frighted by it , Some that judge themselves to be Iustices , more by their Commission from the King to do Iustice , then by their doing it , threaten them with the imposition of the Oath ; Which silly doings of some men , that know not how rightly to rule themselves in their place of Power when they are got into it , made ( as I have heard ) one , who was not ●…o tender of taking the Oath , as his Adversary thought he was , when he received this threatning Message from the Iustice , viz. Tell him , I will tender the Oath to him , Very readily return this Answer to his foe , who hoped to fright him by it , viz. Tell him , that I will take it , if he do . Thus crookedly and cruelly are things carried among the unjust Iustices , and that Seed of evil-doers which is never to be renowned , in the dark places of the Earth , which are full of the ●…abitations of cruelty , against the Righteous Seed , and the Children of the Light , who are more Conscientious then to be ( as the other are ) Conscious to themselves of evil-doing ; yea , and so partial in the Law , and in the administration of that they call Iustice , are some of the Ministers of it , that such as they have a spight at , though living ●…ar from them , and known in their Enemies own consciences to be both peaceable and unsusp●…tious persons , shall be pulled out of their friends houses , and pick't up in the very streets , to have the Oath , on pain of imprisonment , and loss of all , imposed on them ; when others whom they are willing to wink , and very careful to connive at ; yea , profess'd Popish Re●…usants ( in security of the King against whom onely the Law for the Oath was at first intentionally and directly made ) may sit securely under the very Noses of some of these new-found lawless Iustices of neither Peace nor Truth . Insomuch that though the Quakers generally , and some few Baptists ( while at liberty ) rather chuse Imprisonment , then to take that Oath , or any other ; and those thousands of Quakers , and some of those Baptists who are in prison , and have Liberty proffered upon condition of taking the Oath , do rather continue there , then purchase their Liberty with Swearing : Yet very many Baptists both in prison and out , in Kent , and elsewhere , being misled by the crooked examples , and mis-taught by the crude conceptious of their untaught Tea . chers , that it is lawful to swear in some cases , do chuse rather to purchase their Liberty by Swearing , then either to come into , or continue in prison : Yea , and three or four of those who have sometime gone under the denomination of Quakers also , to the great terror , distraction , and wounding of their spirits , so that some of them have cryed out for horror of heart , and have confessed they were in greater bonds then those in prison * [ Witness the tenor of a Letter from one of them at Windsor , for a Warning to such as yet stand , set down here in the Margent ] have rashly subiected themselves for fear , to mans will , against God's in that particular . Now that I may prevent the impendent evil consequences necessarily following those men first or last , who for fear of man shall venture to violate Christs Command against Swearing ; to which not only I. Tombs in his late trifling Treatise , ( replied to already by my self briefly in the Epistle to my Book , stil'd , the Countrey correcting the Clergy ; and more fully by R. Hubberthorn ) but also more lately H. Den in his Epistle to all Prisons , and more lately yet Ier. Ives , in proof of the lawfulness of Swearing , have done their best to perswade men . I shall first examine the weakness of H. D's , and I. ●…'s . proofs for it . 2. Strengthen those of ours against Swearing , from those two Capital Texts , Matth. 5. Iam. 5. which , they two with as little strength of Reason , as to little purpose labour to overturn . I shall begin first with H. Den's Do-little , ( since his Sheet came came out first ) a man that was wont to do better , and much more , ( being a man of more than ordinary ability ) when he disputed against the Priestly Darkness behind him , yet here left justly of the Lord to bewray great weakness , for his pushing at a people that are in the Light before him : So let all the Wisdom of such , as know not thy hidden ones in that , in which alone thou and thine can be manifest , perish from them ( O God ) and be converted into foolishness . Next I shall shew the n●…rrowness and shallowness of those two sheets under which ( lest H. D's single one should not be enough ) Ier , Ives having sham'd himself among the Saints by Swearing , ( seeks more subtilly and shufflingly then su●…cessfully ) to shroud himself out of sight , that the shame of his nakedness may not appear to all men . Yet where their words and arguments are coincident , I shall take notice of them so , as to return answer to them both together . In proof of the Lawfulness of some Swearing now , Henry Den propounds two things : First the Antiquity , Secondly , the Universality of that practice . In proof of its Antiquity he propounds two Periods : The first is about three hundred years after the Moon , in the daies of Seth. The second about four hundred years after the Flood , in the daies of Ahraham . From the first of which he conjectures onely that probably it might be . From the second he concludes undoubtedly that it was then in being . As to the first of these two Periods , I have two things to say to it , whereby to discover its invalidity to evince the now lawfulness of that once ( confessedly ) lawful , or at least allowed Course , or Custom of Solemn Swearing . First , that 't is but upon a meer fallible , uncertain , unwarrantable conjecture at best ( by H. D's own confession ) on which he derives the now-warrantableness of solemn Swearing from so high as those daies of Seth ; witness his own words here under-cited , out of p. 3. of his Paper , viz. For the Antiquity of it , although I cannot say that the practice is as old as the Moon ; yet I have cause to conjecture , that it is not above 300 years younger : Indeed what the old world did in this case the Scriptures do not speak plainly , and therefore I will pass it by . By which we plainly see as concerning the first P●…riod pitch'd upon by H. D. as his proof of the Antiquity of Swearing , that , were it an Antiquity high enough from whence to argue the lawfulness of that Ceremonious Custom ; yet it is but doubtfully conjectured , and but probably concluded by him , That it is so Antient , as to be in use at all in the Old World before the Flood ; for he confesseth , That what the Old World did in this Case , the Scriptures do not speak plainly : And can H. D's cloudy conjecture , that probably 't is not above 300 years younger than the Moon , be a cogent consequence to 20000 tender Consciences in a Case of such Concernment as this ; wherein they prizing their peace of Conscience , with prison and confiscation , before Liberty and All they have , with the violation of them , do lack no less evidence to their Conviction and Satisfaction , then infallible and Scientifical Demonstration ? Secondly , That if it were as certain , as 't is but conceived by H. D. that That practice of Swearing , by him now pleaded for , was then in use ; and were it as undoubtedly , as 't is but doubtfully derived thence ▪ yet that is not a Period so Antient , as can serve to prove the now-lawfulness of any sort of Swearing since Christ , who put an end to it , any more then it may serve to prove the lawfulness of now sacrificing the fruits of the ground , and the firstlings of the flock in that Ceremonious manner as was once , and that long before that of Swearing , apparently in use , till Christ the substance of all Ceremonies and Sacrifices ended it by the sacrificing of himself ; yea , no more than it may serve to prove the lawfulness of sin it self , which ( though not de jure , yet de facto ) was apparently practised by mankind before either Sacrificing or Swearing . Which said Ceremony * of Swearing , as now used and imposed , with the hand laid on a Book , with kissing , or lifted up , is now ended in Christ , the Witness , Covenant , or Oath of God . That it was used de facto , before Christ ( had it been clearly derived from the time pretended to by H. D. ) cannot clearly prove , that it now is in use de jure . God under Moses and the Law , as he suffered other things that were not so from the beginning , because of the hardness of men's hearts ; so because of the hardness of men's hearts to believe each other , while they are besides the Light and Truth , in the fall , in the lye , in the deceit , in the darkness and the strife , and so under the Law ; suffered it so to be as it was in the case of Swearing , in order to their satisfaction of each other ; but from the beginning , before sin entered , it was not so ; nor is it now so among the Saints and true Churches , that are in God ; nor shall it be so in the end , as men by the Light come back out of the strife , and other deeds of darkness , into Christ the Image of God , after which man was at first made ; the substance of all shadows , the end of the Law , that Alpha and Omega , the first and the last , the beginning and end of all things . And as to H ▪ D's second sort of new Antiquity , wherein he sinks well nigh two thousand years lower , and falls almost as far below the Flood , as he fell below the Moon in the former , ( which second period he mainly insists , and puts the greatest stress upon ) though it is not denied , but that Swearing was then in use , ( and so H.D. might have spared his pains in proving it , for I know none deny it to have been used from that time to Christ's ) yet it is such a young piece of Antiquity , as is not worthy to bear that denomination of Antiquity , being but a time of meer novelty to the former ; which former yet , is but meer novelty with us . Much less then is it an Antiquity old enough to be urged in proof of the Lawfulness of all such actions , as were used i●… its dayes . For , as when H.D. argues probably from Seth's time , thus ; Then began men to call on ( i.e. ) ( according to his meer Conjectural Construction ) to Swear by the Name of the Lord : Therefore swearing by the Lords Name is now lawful : I might lawfully by way of Argument from Seth , yea higher , from Cain & Abel , urge thus : Then began men to burn Sacrifice to the Lord ; therefore to burn sacrifice to the Lord in the old ceremonious way is now lawful ; yea higher yet , from Adam , thus ; Then began men to Sin against God ; therefore to Sin against God is now lawful : So when H.D. argues more positively from so low as Abraham's time , thus : Abraham sware by the Name of the Lord ; therefore to swear by the Lords Name is now lawful : Let him but excuse me in stepping but two or three Rounds low●…r , i. e. two or three generations further , viz. to Ioseph from Abraham , who was but his Great Grandfather , and ( on the same account of but a little younger Antiquity , if any man's practice , and not Christ's Precept onely , were a Christians Rule ) a man may prove it now lawful to swear by other matters , which all men judge it unlawful now to swear by , as namely by the Life of Kings and Princes , on this wise , viz. to swear by the Life of Pharoah , was in use in Joseph's days , and usual also with Joseph himself ; therefore the Christians who are Brethren of Ioseph , whose afflictions men mostly forget , may now lawfully swear by the Life of Charles ; the lawfulness of which , H.D. himself , I deem , and all his Brethren also , the modern Baptists , do utterly deny . I have done with H. D.'s Argument of Antiquity , which he makes so much of , as to judge it clearly carryes the case his way , glorying in it in this manner , ( viz. Ye see the practice may justly plead Antiquity ) as if he had urged some great , important , and impregnable matter ; whenas , as it brings not a jot of Prejudice to our purpose , who implead that practice of Swearing ; so it adds not a pins worth of profit or proof to his own , who is pleading for it ; sith as the highest Antiquity he pretends to , can ( by his own confession , for ought appears from Scripture ) at best but probably , and therefore not justly plead its patronizing of , or claim any acquaintance with that practise of Swearing , so ( were it as infallibly evidenced , as 't is but dubiously conjectured ) that it was at all before the Flood , or but three hundred years younger then the Moon , yet ) even this , much more that , which was since the Flood , is but an inferior Antiquity in comparison of that from which sacrificing and sinning may both be proved to have had a being ; yea , but an upstart piece of novelty in the eye of that Church , which is now coming out of the Wilderness , fair as the Moon , clear as the Sun , terrible as an Army with Banners ; even the Woman that bears the Man-Child , and is clothed with the Sun of Righteousness himself , by whom the Moon was made ; and hath the Moon also , even all moveables , under feet : Thus H.D. hath faultred fowly in ipso limine , at the very entrance of his Work , in alledging that in proof of another thing , which he dares speak but conjecturally of himself , and its ill stumbling at the threshold . H. D.'s next is the universality of this Ceremonious course of swearing , and that as to persons , places , times : All sorts of persons ( quoth he ) God , Christ , Angels , Apostles , Kings , Princes , Priests , Prophets , righteous , holy men in all places , Heaven , Earth , and all Nations , by Practice , Precept , Prophesie , at all times swear warrantably without blame , therefore so may we now , Here 's the sum●…nd strength of H. D's second stilt , on which stands the decrepid proof of his crazy cause , or piteous poor plea for Swearing ; all which particulars , ( with most of I. I's miserable matters , which fall in very fitly with them for it ) are now to come under consideration . Rep. 1. That God sware , we affirm & deny not ; but that confirms what we deny against H.D. and I. I. who affirm it , that swearing is now to be us'd among men , as in dayes of old , God's Word of the Oath , which is since the Law , under which ( as a Type of the Truth of God's Word , Covenant and Promise to men in Christ ) men used to swear by God one to another , which Word of his Oath also consecrateth not such men High Priests , as were of old , who were subject to change , and had infirmity ; but him who is holy , harmless , undesiled , separated from sinners higher then the Heavens , a perfect High-Priest for evermore , after the Order of Melchisedec , of Salem King of Righteousness , and also King of Peace , made ( not as they , after the Law of the Carnal Commandment , but ) after the power of the endless life ; I say , That Word of Gods Oath , is that one Eternal , Substantial Oath , that ends all strife , of which all Oaths us'd for confirmation by men , that are in strife with God and one another , were but the Figure , Ceremony , or Shadow for a time , and before which at Christs coming in , they ( though ( de facto ) they do not ) yet ( de Iure ) ought to end , cease , decrease , vanish , and flee away , as sacrifice , and all other fleshly Forms and Figures , Ceremonies and Shadows of Christ , the Truth , ought , which are not the very Substance or Thing it self , Heb. 10. 1. for the Law , or Letter in the time before Christ , having but the shadow of things to come , and not the very substance of the things themselves , gives way with all its sacrifices and ceremonies , to Christ ; wherefore it 's said when he cometh into the World , Sacrifice and offering thou delightst not in , but a Body hast thou prepared me ; in which ( as 't is written of me in the Volume of thy Book , ( or everlasting Counsels ) Lo , I come to do thy will O God : So God taketh away the first Will , Testament or Covenant , that he may establish the second ; the first sacrifices , that he might establish the second , the sacrifice of himself ; the ceremonies and shadows , that he might establish the substance ; the Type , that he might establish the Truth ; the first kind of Oaths , or course and custom of swearing , which Oaths men brake by forswearing themselves oft , that he might establish that of the second or New-Testamnet , even the unchangeable Oath of God , which can never be broken , made by God himself to men , between whom and him , through sin , the strife and enmity was , that they might have full satisfaction that he is in Christ , in whom all his promises are , Yea , and in him Amen , reconciled to the world , not imputing trespasses to them , but as they shall persist in irreconcileableness to him , and that they might have strong consolation concerning his love to them : For as under the Law of old ( as in these dayes also it is ( but not lawfully ) us'd among men that are under the Law , i.e. in the strife , and other works and lusts of the flesh , and unbelief toward each other , which who are in , and led by , and not of the Spirit , are under the Law ) an Oath for confirmation was used to end strife ; so Gods Oath or Swearing , which is without repentance , ( as mens rash oaths and swearing now-a-dayes will not be ) for he sware , and will not repent of what he hath by Oath confirmed in Christ , I say , God's Oath for confirmation to us , may end the matter among any , but utter unbelievers , and give satisfaction and full assurance to any , but such as being out of that love , which believes all things , and in the hatred and enmity , which believes nothing , that Christ is the High-Priest for ever , by whom his Wrath , who hath had the wrong , is appeased , and is his well-beloved Son , in whom , with all that will be reconciled to him , he is ( all their enmity , rebellion and iniquity notwithstanding ) well pleased : Therefore it 's said Heb. 6. We desire you to give all diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end , that ye faint not , ( i.e. ) in your faith ; but be followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promise ; for when God made the promise to Abraham , because he could swear by no greater , he sware by himself ; for verily men swear by the greater ; and an Oath to confirm , end●… the strife : So God , willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his Counsel , as concerning peace with them , though they have acted enmity against him , added an Oath , that by two immutable things , i.e. not his bare Word , or single Promise only ( which had been enough , if man by his enmity and hatred of God , had not made himself hard of belief that God should now love him ) but his Oath also ; in either of which two 't was impossible for God to lye ; we might have strong consolation , who have fled to the hope set before us , ( Christ in us the hope of glory ) which hope we have as an Anchor of the soul , sure and stedfast , which 〈◊〉 into that within the vail , where the fore-runner is for us entered , even Iesus , who is made an High-Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec . And now forasmuch as the very stress of H. D.'s Argument from the example of Gods swearing , lies in this unanswerable Question ( as he supposes it ) p. 4. Can that be accounted an evil ( if not easily undertaken ) whereof we have the Lord for a President ? I answer , That may be accounted an evil in us to do by way of imitation of God , because we read he did so ( how uneasily soever undertaken by us ) which yet was onely and purely good in God when he did it , unless we have him in that , propounding himself , as our President , and have his express command to do the self-same ; God both slew his own Son , and as a Type or Figure of it , in the same Chapter wherein he is recorded as swearing by himself , Gen. 22. 2. 16. 17. bad Abraham slay his own Son ; yet though 't was good in God , 't would be evil in us , and the worse , by how much the more seriously undertaken by us , to bid any one slay his onely Son , upon the account of Gods bidding Abraham do so , without Gods express Commission to us to command another to do the same ; so though God sware , and ( as a figure of his Oath , to end the strife between men and him ) allowed men under the Law that Ceremony of Swearing ; yet 't is evil in us either to swear , or enjoin men to swear now , without Gods special and express command for it , whose express Prohibition against it we have in his New Will or Testament , which we are now under , who are not under the Law , but under Grace . Finally , To H. D's Question , What thing God did , which can be evil in us if we do it ? I reply ; Some things are prohibita quia mala , forbid to us because evil in themselves , as lying , doceit , &c. and such things God never did at all , ( muchless as a President to us ) Some things are mala quia prohibita , evil to us meerly because forbidden , yet were good when commanded ; and such if God should do , we may not ; and of this sort is that of sol●…mn swearing , which to us is now as unlawful and evil , as circumcising children in the flesh , and requiring the old customs of the Iewish Law , and the Letter , which now the Gentiles are crept into , to whom is given the outer Court of carnal Commandments , shadows , signs , figures , types and ceremonies , fleshly , empty formalities , beggarly rudiments , bodily exercises , divers baptisms , eatings , drinkings , and other outside observations , and ordinances of divine services performed in worldly sanctuaries , in which the old Covenant stood , impos'd only till the time of reformation , restoration , regeneration , and restitution of all things to the beginning by Christ , the Substance & End of all those , Acts 21. 22. Heb. 9. 1. 9. 10. Psal. 23. 2. Matth. 19. 28. Acts 3. 21. Such God once permitted , yea commanded , as dark , obscure , external , and temporal representations of future more clear , spiritual , substantial , soul-saving , powerful , internal , and eternal truths ; but now forbids ; the one sacrifice of his Son , the one circumcision of the heart , the one Baptism and Supper ; his own one immutable Oath to us , and our yea and nay in Christ , standing among the holy Seed , which is the substance of the Oak , whose fair leaves are now falling off , and instead of all these , and as the Substance of them all , and that for ever . Isa. 6. 13. 2. And as for the Angels swearing , which is alledged by H.D. as an ensample to us ; for ( quoth he ) An Angel swears , Rev. 10. 5. 6. What 's that to us ? If an Angel from Heaven should preach any other Doctrine then what is preached by , and received from Christ and the Apostles , let him be accursed ; I say it again , let h●…m be accursed : Yet I say not that the Angels , who are Ministers of the Law , ( for the Law was given by the dispensation of Angels in the hand of the old Mediator Moses ) though they sware , are accursed ; for that Ceremony of Swearing belonged to the Law , that was given by them ; but I say , this is no President for them who are under the Doctrine of the Son himself , who are not to go back , so as to rebel against the Commands of the Son , to follow the bare example of the servant Moses , in whose hand the Law was given by the dispensation of Angels : Moses was faithful in all his house ( the old Israel ) as a servant , for a Typical Testimony of those true things that were to be spoken after Heb. 3. 5 , 6 , but Christ , who is counted worthy of more glory then Moses , is the Son over his own House , the true Israelites indeed , in whom is no guile ; the Great and chief Shepherd over his own sheep , who hear his voice ; on whom the servants and their Law , i.e. Moses and the Angels , have now nothing to do to impose , read Heb. 1. 1 God who , &c. to the end . We see how the Angels are inferior , not only to the Son himself , the heir of all ; but also ( as Ministers and servants ) unto the least of those , who are heirs of Salvation , and of all things , both with , in and through him , whom yet H.D. represents as inferiour unto them , as those , who are but on Earth , may be said to be to such as abide in Heaven : For when he comes on to tell of the swearing of Christ from the Angels , which Angels he ranks with God among such as swear in heaven , Come we ( quoth he ) to the Earth ; as if the Being of Angels were onely in Heaven , and the Being of Christ only upon earth ; whereas that very Angel he instances in , as a President of Swearing to us , is in that very place , Rev. 10. recorded as standing no higher then on the Sea , and Earth ; but Christ the Son ( were H. D. capable to read the mystery and riddle of it ) had he sworn in that Iohn 3. 5. where H. D. reckons on him as swearing on Earth , might well have been rankt among the swearers in Heaven , being at that very present in heaven , as he saies himself ver. 13. The Son of man which is in Heaven . But H. D. being yet where I once was with him , among those who look for the Kingdom of Heaven , which is ( {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} ) within men ( even those men that never enter it , as Christ said to the Pharisees , bidding his Disciples not to go forth to look for it among them , who drew outwards with their Lo here , and lo there ) in outward observations , with which it comes not , is so innocently ignorant where heaven is , that ( though more darkly and diminutively , then some others , who open wider ) in some degree ( witness his two secret jerks at the Quaker , and the Light within , p. 5 , and 8. of his perverting Paper ) he rather blasphemes the name of God , and his Tabernacle , i. e. the Light in which God dwells , is , and is known ; and those , ( i. e. those Quakers ) who dwell with Christ in Heaven . 3 The next Argument then , ab Exemplo urg'd in proof of swearing now , is that of Christ , of whom H.D. and I. I. both do intimate it ( as their own conceit at least ) that he sware ; and therefore lawfully may we now , think they . In evidence of his thoughts that Christ sware , H.D. alludes to Ioh. 3. 5. saying ( not positively , but suppositively onely , p. 3. ) If the Verily , Verily of the Son of God , and our Redeemer , should not amount to so much as an Oath , as some think ; yet is it more then a bare Yea and Nay : In evidence of his more confident conceit and thoughts that Christ did sware , and consequently that we now may , I. I. cites and alludes to Matth. 26. 63. and that in two places of his prittle prattle , des●…anting as emptily as amply on it in them both , viz. p. 2 , 3. and again p. 7. whose words are here set down , that he may have no just occasion to say I wrong him in my Answer . A man may be solemnly sworn when he is adjured by another , for to adjure ( quoth he ) in plain English , is to charge one to swear , or to exact an Oath , & therefore we read Mat. 26. 37. that the High-Priest Adjured Christ by the living God : Beza more plainly reads it , that the High-Priest charged him to swear by the living God , if he were the Christ the Son of God : So p. 7. Swearing was used by Christ himself , Mat. 26. 36. the High-Priest adjures him by the living God ; or as it is in plain English , he charged him to swear by the living God , to tell him whether he was the Christ the Son of God ; 〈◊〉 which adjuration Iesus answers , Thou saist , or I am ; for so it is ( quoth he ) Mar. 14. 62. Now to answer to a matter when one is adjured by the living God , though it were but Yea and Amen , is sweating . Rep. To H.D. & I.I. I return two things ; 1. That if Christ had sworn in the two places and times respectively , in which these two men seem to say he did ; yet it proves not the legality of it now to us . 2. As 't is but doubtfully delivered by themselves , so it 's utterly denyed by me , that in th●…se cases , phrases , and places of their alledging , Christ did swear at all . First , had Christs Verily , Verily , and his answering I am , when the High-Priest asked & charged him to tell him whether he were the Christ , amounted to a formal Oath , such as is now imposed and pleaded ( but it was far from it ; for there was no requiring to lay his hand on a Book , and kiss it , and swear by God , and the Holy Evangelist , and such like ; without which our present Iustic●… wil not own any man as giving sufficient satisfaction or confirmation to end the strife , let us speak never so solemnly as in the sight of the living God , but strive endlesly with us , as suspitious persons , from whom the King can't be secured , unless we take the Oath in that old mee●…shadowy way ) yet this was all in the time of the Law , and under it , before Christ by his death had put an end to it : For though in the last a●…d latest of the two Terms which these two men take their texts and talk from , to prove Swearing lawful under the Gospel , from Christs Example , he was so nigh it , as to be summon'd before the Priests in order to it ; yet he was not actually offered , no●… had as yet actually suffered , & so not actually put an end to the Law , which till he had , he was under the Padagogy of it , as the Iews were , and therefore might use some such swearing as was used under the Law , and that be no warrant neither for us now to swear , who together with him that was once made under it himself , are now redeemed from under the Law , to under the Gospel , and are now no more under the Law , but under Grace , Rom. 6. 14. The Heir himself under age , differs not from a servant , though Lord of all , but is under Tutors and Governors , &c. so we , when children , were in bondage to the Elements of the world ; but when the fulness of time was come , God sent forth his Son , made of a woman , made under the Law , to redeem them that were under the Law , that we might receive the adoption of sons , Gal. 4. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5. So that if Christ had sworn before he was offered , yet to argue thus ; Christ while under the law , a little before he dyed , did swear ; therefore may we swear now under the Gospel ; is as poor a piece of proof , as to say , Christ under the law before he dyed , was circumcised , had two Turties offered for him , eat the Passover just before he was betrayed , and was subject to other Rudiments and Ceremonies of the law ; therefore we now must be circumcised in flesh , offer sacrifice , eat the Passover carnally , and be sub●…ect to the other carnal Ordinances of the Law , in these dayes of the Gospel . But secondly ; Howbeit H. D , sayes , some ( of whom himself surely is one , or else it were silly in him to cite other mens think-so's , which are not his own , in prosecution of his own Argument ) do think that Christs Verily , Verily , was an Oath : Yet verily , and of a truth 't is but their bare , unwarrantable , and groundless thought ; which bare thought also H.D. is so far from backing with any matter of evidence to prove it sound , that he rather falls back from it , sinking through this meer supposition , ( viz. If Christs Verily be not an Oath ) at last into no other then this slender Position , ( viz. Yet it s more then Yea and Nay ) In which he miserably mistakes himself too ; for though ( as to degree , which varies not the nature of any thing ) it 's a more strong one , yet ( as to its nature ) it s no more then a strong Asseveration , which amounts no more to the nature of an Oath , then Yea or Nay does : Or if H.D. and others , who impose it upon us to swear , will needs have it so that Verily , Verily , is an Oath , we are willing to any truth we testifie , whether in an Assertory , or Promisory way , before either Magistrates , or any other men , to do it under that form of Verily , Verily , might that be taken ; but we have experience sufficient , that so much as that , and much more , will in no wise satisfie H.D. who fights without an Adversary in quarrelling with the Quakers , as un-free to say verily , verily ( for they are free to that ) or those Magistrates whom the Quakers have to do with ; for how free soe're any of us are to assure them with Verily , Verily , that is to say , Truly , Truly , which lyes in the Yea , that we have no evil intents toward the now King ; and both truly and sincerely to acknowledge him , before any other man , to be the right Heir to these his Kingdoms ; and to profess , testifie and declare in our Consciences before God and the World , against the Pope , That the Pope neither of himself , nor by any Authority of the Church or Sea of Rome , or by any other means , hath any Power or Authority to depose the King , or to dispose of any of his Kingdoms or Dominions , or to authorise any Forraign Prince to invade , or annoy him , or his Countreys or to discharge any of his Subjects of their obedience to him ; or to give license or leave to any of them to bear arms , raise ●…umult , or to offer any violence or hurt to his Person , State or Government , or to any of his subjects within his Dominions ; and to declare from our hearts , according to our often professed and published Principle , That , notwithstanding any Declaration , or sentence of Excommunication or Deprivation made or granted , or to be made or granted by the Pope or his successors , or by any Authority derived , or pretended to be derived from him or his Sea , against the said King , his Heirs or Successors , or any of the Popes Absolutions of the said Subjects from their obedience ; yet we will be faithful , trusty and peaceable towards him and all men , & , though for Conscience-sake we cannot take up Arms nor Carnal Weapons for our selves nor any man , yet in what ways we are capable with good Conscience to God , we wil seek to secure him against all Traiterous Conspiracies and Attempts made against him or any man , by reason or colour of any such Popish Sentence or Declaration : And to declare , that we do from our hearts abhor , detest and renounce as Impious and Heretical , this damnable Doctrine and Position , That Princes which be excommunicated or deprived by the Pope , may be deprived or murdered by their Subjects , or any other whatsoever ; And to declare as in the sight of God , who is Witness that we lye not , and knows the truth of our hearts , and in the presence of the living God , which H. D. says at least is an Oath , ( for an Oath is nothing else but a Religious Promise , quoth he , p. 3. ) our real intentions as much as is possible , and in us lies , to live peaceably with him and all men , and to wrong , injure , defraud nor him , nor any man , &c. and to submit our selves to every Ordinance of man for the Lords sake , whether King as Supream , or those that are sent of him for the punishment of evil-doers , and the praise of them that do well ; and to be subject in Civil things , to all just Laws made by that of God in the Conscience ; and where unjust Laws are made , to suffer patiently without Rebellion or violent resistance ; which is such a passive , as is equivalent to other mens active obedience . Yet all this , though most substantial , ( if accepted by H.D. ) shal in no wise be accepted by those Oath-Imposers with whom H.D. and I. Ives side aginst us , unless there be a conforming to the Ceremonious Customs of the Nations , which are vain , so as to swear upon a Bible , and kiss the Book , and lay one Finger at least upon it , and to be sworn by So help me God , and the Holy Evangelist , and his holy Gospel , which ( though the Copy of it may ) is more spiritual then to have Carnal hands laid on it , and a number of such superstitious superfluities , which issued forth from the Womb of that dismal Darkness , which dwelt here in the time of the Popes undue Power over this Nation ; which Romish reliques all true Protestants against his Peterdom , may in these dayes of Light be asham'd of ; yea , though they tell us it's Oath enough to assert , deny , or promise as in Gods presence , and to say , God is Witness that we lye not ; yet if our Testimony be given forth freely from our selves in any such form as this ; that is not then own'd for swearing by themselves who do so call it , if the Book be not fingered : Witness the case of one Friend call'd a Quaker , who calling God to Witness , See ( quoth the Magistrate ▪ he swears : But when the said Friend replyed thus ; Wil ye take that for an Oath ? 't would not then be own'd as an Oath by the said Magistrate who so call'd it ; and if any Magistrate in this City or elsewhere , upon the reading hereof , knows assuredly that I speak of him , I speak of him indeed . 2. Howbeit I. Ives ( not for want of Ignorance ) Asserts , That the High-Priest's charging of Christ by the living God to say whether he were the Christ , was a charging Christ to swear ; and that Christ answering , when he was charged by him , did swear , and so that Christ's answer was an Oath ; yet to any but such a one whom the fear of Suffering drives to swear , and the shame of swearing drives by hook or crook to defend it when he has done , These two things are clear enough : 1. That neither the High-Priest did command Christ to swear . 2. That Christ in his Answer to him did not swear at all , as I. I. more ●…naingly then clearly suggests he did . I. I. saies the High-Priest adjured him by the living God ; or ( as it is ( quoth he ) in plain English ) he charged him to swear by the living God . 2. That to this Adjuration Jesus answers , Thou sayest , or I am ; and so sware . Rep. Both these two things are false . 1. The High-Priest did not charge him to swear by the living God . 2. He did not swear by the living God . In proof of the first , that the High-Priest did charge Christ to swear , I. I. insists at large on the word adjure ; for to adjure ( quoth he p. 2. ) in plain English is to charge one to swear ; or , to exact an Oath : The High-Priest adjured Christ by , &c. Beza ( quoth he ) more plainly reads it , Charged him to swear by the living God . Rep. Both I. I. and Beza also are besides the business ; for how beit the Greek word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is Englisht , I Ad●…ure , yet it 's not absolutely necessary it should be so ( as it must be , if it be demonstrative of I. I's Assertion ) but as it may and doth signifie strictly to Adjure ; so it properly may , and often doth signifie to charge , command , or oblige one , as by Word , or Promise onely : for {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} being either of {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} to 〈◊〉 : or ( as some ) of {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} a bo●…nd , or limit ; signifies originally to bind , limit , confine , or engage one any way ; viz. as by b●…re promise as well as Oath : And no less doth Io. Tombs in a m●…nner plainly intimate and confess , to the consutation of himself in his Trivial talk for swearing , by saying that Pauls charge to the Church , 1 Thes. 5. 27. where the word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is used and rendered I Charge ; & those his two charges to Tim●…hy , 1 Tim. 6. 13. 2 Tim. 4. 1. where the words {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} are used , & Englished ▪ I charge , are all alike ; for the two last Greek words are at most no more then to engage one , as in the sight of some Witness , ( God or Man ) or solemnly to charge or command , not so strictly as to swear one , though {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} may be taken in the more moderate sense , i. e. any way to charge one , as well as in that rigid way of swearing , and is at most no more then thus , viz. I en●…oin thee as strictly as if thou hadst promised or sworn . Moreover its most evident to the contradiction of I. Ives and Beza also , from whom , and Ainsworths meer Opinion , if not male-Construction , he furtively fetches two or three of his sorry shifts , wherewith to salve the absurdity of his own sorry sayings ; that to adjure ( if we render {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} in that strict sense ) is not ( as I. I. sayes it is ) in plain English to charge one to swear , or exact an Oath ; and that the High-Priest did not ( as Beza sayes he did ) charge Christ to swear by the living God : For if the phrase ; I adjure thee by God , be to charge or command one to swear by God , then to say I adjure thee by Iesus , is to command one to swear by Iesus ; which sence is as absurd , as 't would be most absurd to read that passage where the Vagabond Iews imitating Paul , charged the evil spirits in the Name of Iesus to come out of men , Acts 19. 12 , 13. thus , viz. We charge you to swear by Iesus whom Paul preacheth ; for 't would suppose the whole design of those Exorcists was to cause the evil spirits to swear by Iesus , whereas their design was to cause them to depart out of the men ; and 't would suppose that the commands of Paul ▪ Acts 16. 18. 1 Thess. 5. 27. 1 Tim. 6. 13. 17. 2 Tim. 4. 1. who sayes to the Thessalouians , to Timothy , to the Spirit of Divination ( respectively ) {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , I adjure or charge you that this Epistle be read , &c. I charge thee in the sight of God , or before God and Christ , that thou preach , that thou keep the Command without spot , that thou come out of the Maid , ( which Io. Tombs himself says were charges all alike ) I say , 't would suppose that Pauls charges there , were not charges of the foresaid charged ones , to do the things which he commanded them to do respectively ; but commands or charges of them only to swear by God and Christ Iesus , that they would do them ; which to suppose , is absurdity in the abstract . It being so then ( as is evident against I. Ives bare conjecture to the contrary ) that to say , I adjure , or charge thee By , Before , or in the sight of the living God , is not I charge thee to swear by the living God , or I exact an Oath of thee ; it wil consequently follow , that to answer Yea , or Nay to him that should say , I adjure , or charge thee before God to speak to a Case in Question , is not to swear , or to take an Oath , as I. I. supposes ( who ( put his words together ) saies , To answer to a matter when one is Adjured , alias , Charged by the living God , though it were but Yea , or Nay , or Amen , is as solemn an Oath , as if one sware by the living God with his own mouth . That if the Iudge in our Common-Law ask a question of a party sworn , and testifying his consent to the Oath , by his kissing and laying his hand on the Book , and the party do but answer , and give in his testimony in naked assertions , without saying , I swear by the Lord , or by the Oath I have taken , or the like , his bare answering to the Question , is as much as if he had pronounced an Oath with the highest asseverations that could be thought on , p. 3 , 4. ) as I. I. ( having pinn'd his Faith first upon Ainsworths sleeve ) saies p. 3. He could wish this were seriously considered by those that make conscience of Oaths , as if himself were now grown past making conscience of them , so I could wish this were as seriously considered by I. I. himself , and those whom he would have to make no conscience of Oaths , that if it be so as I. I. asserts it is in our Common Courts , then so many several answers as the party ( once sworn ) makes by Yea , or Nay , to the Judges questions , so many several Oaths with the highest asseverations that can be , are by him taken ; and so if he answer Yea , or Nay , an hundred times , being so many times askt in the case in hand ( as one Witness may be at one Court ) he takes no less then an hundred solemn Oaths , and so his first Oath ( he once assenting to swear ) like sin , which is ever of a multiplying nature , when man once begins to fall under it , spawns it self quickly into an hundred ; and consideratis considerandis , our Courts of Iudicature , which H. D. and I. I. will both confess ought to be places of punishment for that common swearing , or swearing commonly , ordinarily , wholly , frequently ( as H. D. frivolously descants upon that phrase of Christ , Swear not at all , Mat. 5. ) which ordinary , common , frequent Swearing all men grant also Christ there forbids , will rather appear to be the most common places of swearing commonly , frequently , ordinarily , that are in all the Land beside them . And besides I. I.'s instance in the Oath in our Common Law , reaches not the case he brings it in evidence of ; for there the party answering is supposed by I. I. first to be sworn by his own consent , and then to answer yea or nay ; but the case in hand supposes the party onely answering yea or nay , to one that saies , I adjure thee , without shewing his consent to the others adjuration , by that assenting Ceremony , which I.I. when he was charged to swear , declared his assent by , of kissing and fingering of a Bible ; which if I.I. ( for customs sake ) had not done , he would have found the Court he sware in , would not have counted him a person sworn sufficiently to their satisfaction , had they said , We adjure thee , we charge thee to tell us whether thou renounce the Pope , and wilt be true to the King , yea or nay , and I.I. answered , yea , or I will , no less t●…n an hundred times over . So we see that if Christ had answered , I am ( as Ior. Ives falsly sayes he did ) to the High Priest , when he said , I adjure thee by the living God to tell me whether thou be the Christ , or not , he had not sworn ; sith by that word , I adjure thee , he said ( in effect ) no more then I command , or charge thee , as in Gods presence , as strictly as if thou hadst promised or sworn ; and its silly to think that Christ who sayes , Swear not at all , no not by Heaven , for its Gods throne , which whoso swears by , swears by him , even God that sits thereon , Matth. 18. would swear by the living God that he was the Christ , at the command or charge of the High-Priest that was his Inferior , ( as being but the Type of himself ) to tell him whether he was so or no . But secondly , in very deed when all is done , there 's no such matter as I. I. affirms ; for when the Priest barely asked him onely whether he was the Christ , or not ; he answered , I am : In that place of I. I's own quoting ( which had he not been in haste , he might have seen also Mark 14. 7. ) but when the Priest said , I ad●…ure thee by the living God , he is recorded by Matthew , Mat. 26. ▪ 63. as answering not , I am ( as I. I. saies he did ) but Thou saiest ; which seems to be a waving of all positive answer , rather then such a positive answer , as , I am ; which yet had he said , he had not sworn . Thus as he that 's blind cannot see ; so he who is not cannot but see the shuffling ways whereby H D. but specially I. I. seeks to prove Christ to have sworn , that he may shroud and shelter himself from the storm of his guilty Conscience , under some Shrub ; under a shadowy shew of Christ's example , when he had stooped to mans command , contrarily unto Christ's . The other examples from whence H. D. and I. Ives endeavour to prove the lawfulness of swearing now , are those of Kings , Priests , Prophets , righteous and holy men of God in old time , as Abimelech , Abraham , David , and others ; in which they belabour themselves to no purpose , since this was all under the Law , under which ( among those that were under it ) we deny not that swearing to be in use , which hath now no use nor place among them that are not under the dominion of the Law , but under Grace , and the teachings , power and domin●…on of Gods Grace , which redeems from the strife , and other fleshly works , which it is one of : Which consideration confutes I. I's Fifth Reason for swearing , viz. Because strife continuing , still there 's as much need of Oaths , the use of which is to end it , as ever there was ; quoting Heb. 6. 16. An Oath among men for confirmation , is an end of all strife . Rep. 1. To say nothing how much our Courts are in that case of Tythes , beside the end of Oat●…s , if that be the true end thereof ; to end strife ; since they use Oaths to begin the strife with ; for if a man will not swear how many 〈◊〉 , and Ducks , and Hens , and Eggs , and Piggs , &c. he hath had in so many years together , they admit him not to answer to his 〈◊〉 . An Oath when used to its right end , i. e. to end strife , is so used among men onely in the fall , who live in hatred , variance , strife , and such deeds of darkness and the flesh , but not among the Saints , that are saved from it , and live in love and peace , and do ( as Christ Disciples are bid to do ) to others as they would be done by , and no evil nor injury to any , which they would not have done to themselves , which is the sum of the Law and the Prophets , &c. For here both the Law , which is owned by us as good in its place ; but is not for the righteous , but the unrighteous , and murderers , stealers , &c. hath no place , nor Oaths , nor Lawyers neither , who can live no longer in that calling of theirs , which they much corrupt and spoil , as blind Priests do the Gospel , then while men live in trespasses and sins ; For if men live by the light of Gods grace in their own hearts , which hath appeared to all men , bringing salvation to them from the sin , leading and teaching such as learn of it , to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts , and to live godly , righteously and soberly in this present world ; they will need no longer ( as the World doth , while it chuses to lie in Wickedness , and in the bondage of its own corruption ) to throw away their estates on Lawyers , to end their strifes about them , nor to be such slaves to their own wills and lusts , as to spend 20. l. ▪ upon them , to recover 20. s. for themselves ; but will see ( as some have done who have been where others now are ) the way out of strife , which is the Light ; and come to that love , innocency , honesty , righteousness , peace and pity to themselves , and one another , as shall end all strife without Oath●… or more ado : Yea to see that in the Light of the Gospel , which under the Law was not seen by Prophets and righteous men , while under that Paedagogy : Yea , as Christ said to his Disciples , so say I to those that are turn'd to learn of him now ; Blessed are your eyes , for they see , and your ears , for they hear ; for verily I say unto you , that many Prophets and Righteous men in former dayes of the Law , have desired to see and hear those things which ye do , and yet have neither seen nor heard them . And this above may serve for a return to H. D. who insists much on it , that this Testimony that an an Oath is to end strife , is after the Law ; the Apostle sayes men do swear ; and I have written do swear ( quoth he ) because the Greek word Heb. 6. 16 : is in the present tense ; and the rather , because one Preacher , perswading his Hearers against all swearing , told them it ought to be read did swear , and was a confirmation , not is . Rep. Who that was , I know not ▪ I can afford to grant it 's written do and is , and yet give H. D. and I. Ives no ground in their controversie against us ; against whom in two respects that consideration of Oaths being used in Pauls time , can't prove the lawfulness of them among the Saints , either then or now ; there were many customs in use , and contended for by many Naturalists , about which the Apostle says , But if any man list to be contentious ; yet we have no such custom , nor the Churches of God . 'T is but among men still , though 't was in the Apostles dayes , and now is , and not among the Saints and true Churches of God , which are in God , who is light and love , and not in the enmity , the curse and strife , where the oaths are used ; among men under the Law , and so under the curse , as all are that live in sin and strife , but not among Saints , who walk and live in , and are led by the Spirit , and bring forth the fruits of the Spirit , love , joy , peace , meekness , &c. such are not under the Law , but Grace ; and against such there is no Law , Rom. 6. 14. Gal. 5. 18. 23. But H. D. and I. I. makes much a-do , to as little effect , to evince it , that the Apostle Paul himself sware , yea and that very frequently too : Some have noted it ( quoth H. D. p. 5. ) as frequent with the Apostle Paul in serious matters to use such expressions as are equivalent to an Oath , as Rom. 1. 9. God is my Witness whom I serve , &c. with many more of the like nature , which are well known to you . And quoth I. I. pag. 9. 10. ( as one of his brown-paper Pellets against our proof of no swaring , from Matth. 5. 34. ) some such swearing as was commanded under the Law , not onely Christ , but the Apostle Paul did both practice and enjoyn , using his words , 2 Cor. 11. 19. As the truth of Christ is in me , Rom. 1. 9. God is Witness . Phil. 1. 8. God is my record . 1 Cor. 1. 23. I call God to record upon my soul . Rom. 9. 1. I speak the truth by Christ , ( quoth J. I. because Beza sayes so ; though it is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , in Christ , most properly in the Greek ) I lye not , my Conscience beareth me witnesse in the holy Spirit ; ( there he renders {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} right , in , and not by ; and why not in the former part of the verse ? ) Gal. 1. 20. Before God I lye not : And as they practis'd swearing , so they did exact it in the like solemn cases upon others ; for to adjure ( quoth J. I. ) is to exact an oath , or charge one to swear , 2 Tim. 4. 1. Paul charged Timothy before God ; and Thess. 1. 5. 27. I charge you by the Lord that this Epistle be read ; Beza reads it Adjuro vos per Dominum , I charge thee to swear by the Lord : to this agrees that of the High-Priest who adjured Christ . Now if all swearing now were forbidden by those two Texts , Mat. 5. 34. Iam. 5. 12. the Apostle would neither have done it , nor charged others so to do . Rep. 1. That to use such expressions as these above was frequent with the Apostle is well known to us indeed , as H. D. saies ; but that this was at all such swearing as is contended for by H. D. and I. I. who hath sworn upon a Book , and kissed it ( as the custom is ) I am yet ignorant , and yet not so ignorant as to give such an Answer as I. I. saies some do for want of a better , viz. That the Apostle did evil in swearing ; for I as verily believe , as I. I. saith he himself doth in the same place , That he that will swear wickedly , and contrary to Gods Law ( & so he does in my judgment that swears at all , sith Christ , Mat. 5. 33. 34 , &c. forbids it {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} omnino , in any wise , or altogether ) the same wil Lye also upon occasion : yea 't is my Faith , and the Faith of some who are set to swear others also , that thousands of those who now swear out their present and future saithfulness to the King , for fear of some malicious Magistrate that exacts it , out of envy more then any true love to him , would for all their swearing prove more unfaithful , if occasion should happen suitably to their hopes of insurrection in arms against him , then those Thousands of Quakers who living in the true fear and love of God , can in conscience neither for fear or love of themselves or any man , either take up arms at all for themselves against King , or any man , or , to escape the loss of all they have , swear at all . But the Answer I give shal be as follows : 1. Some things ( though swearing is none of them ) Paul did by permission then , which we are not now to do because he did them , witness his circumcising Timothy , shaving his head and taking a Vow upon him according to the Law , Act. 16. 3. 21 , 23 , 24 , 25. which things were parts of the Law , then ( by right ) abolished , in favour of the Jewes weakness , who yet could not bear the actual abolition of them : For as for the Gentiles that believe we command ( say the Apostles ) that they observe no such thing : So that if Oaths had then been ( de facto ) used by the Apostles , that of it self would not prove they now are ( de jure ) to be used by us . But 2. That Paul either sware , or exacted Oaths upon others I deny . 1. As to his not enjoining or exacting swearing on others , which I. I. draws by the head and shoulders from the place where Paul saies to the Thessalonians and Timothy , I charge you by the Lord , I charge thee before the Lord ( in which places ( quoth he ) he charges them to swear by the Lord ) I have said so much before , that here I shall add onely this consideration , viz. That Paul did not charge them to swear there , but to read his Epistle , and to preach the Word . 2. If he had commanded them to Swear , or exacted an Oath of them , his command was not answered by them ; For shal we think the Thessalonians did swear to him , that they would read his Epistle , before they did read it , or that Timothy sware to him that he would preach the Word , before he preached it ? Or if they sware not to him , did they swear before any other that were his Proxies at that distance which they were in from him , who was at Athens when he wrote to the Thessalonians , and at Rome when he wrote to Timothy , then Bishop among the Ephesians ? And if there were no Representatives of his person then with them , to tender the Oath to them , then it appears , That I. I's eies are out , who cannot see that the commands of Paul to them , which they ( respectively ) obeyed , were to read his Epistle , and preach the Word , and not to swear that they would do so . 2dly , As to Pauls own swearing , though I will not say ( as I. I. sayes some say ) he did evil in swearing ; ( for he sware not ) yet in swearing he had done evil , had he sworn in those many expressions wherein H. D. and I. I. assert he did swear ; and no less then this , H. D. and I. I. must be forced to confesse with me ( if each of them will own his own Book in other places ) for H. D. and I. I. ( as busie as they be in banding against our interpretation of Christs Prohibition universally against swearing at all , allowing swearing only before Magistrates to end strife ) yet they both confess , that at least it extends to the forbidding of ordinary , frequent , or common swearing , or swearing in our common communication , when we are not called before Magistrates : But if Paul did swear so often as J. I presents him to us as swearing , in the many Epistles of Paul above cited by him ; and if it were so frequent with Paul to use expressions equal to an Oath ( that is to say , to use Oaths ) as H. D. says some have noted , it was from Rom. 1. 9. with many more of like nature ; then he had come under the guilt of that , swearing commonly , ordinarily , frequently , or in his common communication with the Saints , and in his Letters to them , uncall'd to it by any Magistrate ; which kind of swearing , these two strict sticklers for Oaths in some cases , do both confess , are by Christ Matt. 5. 33. 34. condemned and forbidden . Obj. But quoth J. I. p. 10. If calling God to witness what we say , be not swearing , I confess I am ignorant what swearing is ; but if it be , then it was not onely used under the old , but under the New-Testament . Rep. If it be not , then J. I. stands condemned here under his own hand , as ignorant of what Swearing is , and so is unfit to meddle so much as he hath done in that matter , who ( witness his Title-page ) takes on him to open that great Case of Conscience about the lawfulness or unlawfulness of swearing : But if it be , then ( methinks ) H. D. and J. I. should sit still , and save themselves the labour of writing so much as they do against the Quakers , in vindication of the lawfulness of some swearing ; for such swearing ( if they will needs have it to be swearing ) as Paul used when he said , God is my witness ; God is my record ; I call God to record ; I speak the truth in Christ , I lye not ; my Conscience beareth me witness in the holy Spirit ; and such like , the Quakers gainsay in solemn cases no more then themselves ; yet they have put themselves to so much pains , as to prove the lawfulness of that , the lawfulness of which , we know none that do deny . 2dly . If it be , then , methinks the wise , prudent and potent imposers of the Oath upon the Quakers , and others , who have been ever willing to express their Renuntiations of the Pope , and all forreign Powers , and their Fidelity to the King , by any of those strong Asseverations , or fervent Expressions which Paul used , and J. I. calleth Oaths , should accept of the like from them ; but that they neither do , nor will , as they would not have accepted the like from Jer. Ives himself , so as to have excused him from falling under the danger of the like Premunire with such as cannot conform to that ceremonious kind of swearing , which he hath sworn in , without kissing , and laying one of their fingers at least upon a Bible , Object . But , quoth J. I. if any one should confirm the truth of what he speaks , after this rate ( meaning the rate at which Paul spake in the places fore-cited ) what did ●…e less then Swearing ? However it were more then Yea and Nay . Reply ; If it was more then Yea and Nay , as it was in sound of words , but not in substance , ( yea and nay being spoken solemnly as in Gods sight , amounting in substance to no less then all that ) yet it was less then swearing , however less then such formal , customary , ceremonious , superstitious swearing , as that J. I. is found in , which was no less foolish , needless , vain and superfluous , then it was superstitious , if less then that of touching and kissing the Book ( as aforesaid ) might in the Court ( where he was sworn ) have passed for swearing . So then all H. D.'s and I. I.'s instances in proof of Oaths , being practis'd and used in old time , before Christ , and since , prove altogether useless to that purpose . Obj. But ( quoth H. D. p. 4. ) it is warranted not onely by Practice , but by Precept also , Deut. 6. 13. Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God , and serve him , and shalt swear by his Name . Rep. Under the Law it was ( as other types , shadows and ceremonies also were ▪ warranted not by practice onely , but precept also ; but still we demand , where is there either practice of it , or precept for it among Christ and his Disciples under the Gospel ? If there had been any precept for it ( for practice of it , I have proved there was none ) among any but men ( yet degenerate ) in the New-Testament since the death of Christ , we should surely have had it cited by H. D. in this , wherein he stood concern'd to have cited it above all other places of his Paper-work ; but since he mentions none here , we may safely take it for granted he had none to mention ; and since H. D. among all his Old-Testament-talk for swearing ( which had been better spar'd then spilt in proof of what none denies ) nor does , nor can possibly produce one pittance of a precept for it in the New ; we shall rather adhere to Christs and his Apostles plain precept against it , or positive prohibition of it , in the two Texts , which these two men , H. D. and J. I. ( as will be seen anon ) traduce , Mat. 5. 33 , 34. &c. Jam. 5. 12. then either to H. D's nameless Scripture-Precepts , or J. I.'s deceitful , self-saving shuffles , for a practice that is now as flatly forbidden ( with other ceremonial customs of the Law ) in the Gospel , as ever it was required in the Law . Obj. It is also confirmed by Prophesies ( quoth H. D. p. 4. ) the Prophets prophesie that some swearing shall be used in the time of the New Testament ( quoth J. I. p. 9. of his piece of proof ) and to make good their ground against us who plead Christs Precepts , both these two Archers who plead old prophesies , 1. Unite their strength , and discharge at us with one single string . 2ly . Lest that should prove too slender for it , one of them viz. J. I. has two more strings to his Bow , wherewith he hopes to carry the Cause without controul . 1. They jointly urge that one prophesie , Isai. 65. 16. He that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of Truth , because the former troubles are forgotten , &c. the meer mention of vvhich H. D. deems enough , and therefore actually urges nothing from it ; but J. I. dilates at large upon it , insisting o're and 〈◊〉 that circumstance of time vvhich H. D. hints ( as that vvhere the stress lyes ) vvhich J. I. thinks clears his case beyond all controversie . Here 's a prophecie ( quoth J. I. ) that foretells some svvearing shall be lawful in those times that are to come ; after the Ascention of Christ , and the death of the Apostle James , then he that swears shall swear by the God of Truth , THEN when the former troubles are forgotten . When shall that be ? the 17 ver. resolvs us , It shall be when the New Heavens and the New Earth are created , and the former Heaven and Earth is forgotten ; So that here is a Concatenation of Divine Truths ; Men shall swear by the God of Truth , because the former troubles are forgotten ; their former troubles shall be forgotten , because the former Heaven and Earth shall be forgotten : That this prophesie respected the times of the New-Testament , let Peter witness , 2 Pet. 3. 13. We look for a new Heaven , and a new Earth , wherein dwelleth Righteousness : So that these Scriptures foretell , that though under the former Heavens , and upon the former Earth men sware by false Gods ; yet in the times of ●…the new Heavens and new Earth , wherein dwelleth Righteousness , men shall swear by the God of Righteousness . To all which , somewhat must be said by way of Reply . Reply ; That this is spoken with reference to the time of the new Heavens and Earth , I deny not ; but I deny that this clause , He that sweareth , shall swear by the God of Truth , is understood of swearing at all ( formally and properly so taken ) much less ( as I. I. sayes 't is ) of such ceremonious swearing , as was under the Law , and as I. I. ( contrary to his former professions , as I have heard ) conforms himself to now in this day of the Gospel . 1. Because often the name and phrase , which is peculiar and proper only to the Type under the Law , is by the Prophets speaking of the times of the Gospel , attributed to the Anti-type or Thing it self thereby deciphered ; yea how ordinary and usual was it with the most Evangelical Prophets to speak of Evangelical matters under the ( then ) usual , though but legal phrases , and to hold forth the substantial , eternal and everlasting Gospel truths , under the dark , shadowy forms of ceremonious and legal phrases , which if any should now interpret as spoken of the meer ceremony or figure , by the name of which the truth figured out onely with reference to Gospel times is express'd ; one might thereby usher in well nigh the whole bulk of outward eatings , drinkings , divens ▪ baptisms , circumcision , passeover , sacrifices , and other carnal ordinances and ceremonious Rites , which belonged to that Paedagogy of the Iews , as well as that ceremony of swearing . See Ier. 31. and compare v 31. 32. 33. which none deny to be spoken of the Gospel glory , which transcends that of the Law , which is done away ( though a glory ) with v. 38. 39 40. Will any take that as spoken of the old legal Ierusalem , that was in bondage with her children , and not of that onely which is above , free , and the Mother of all Saints ; for it 's not a truth of the other , for it ( though built after the Babylonish ruines ) was pluckt up , and thrown down again . So Zach. 14 from v. 9. 10. to the end . How are the Pots of the Lords House now as bright as the Golden bowles before the Altar ; but as those that have lien among the pots ( as black as they have been ) shall be as a Dove covered with silver , and her feathers with yellow gold . So Ezek. 36. 25. There speaking of the Gospel purity , I will sprinkle clean water upon you , and ye shall be clean . Will any think this is that water onely that puts away the outward filth of the outward flesh ? So Ezek. 40. to the end of that Prophesie ; The Temple Worship , Sacrifices , & orders of the holy City , of which its said , Iehovah Shammah , the Lord is there , are described under the legal phrases , and according to the old ceremonial orders : Will the Baptist think therefore there 's a material Temple made with hands ? Rev. 21. confuteth him , where it s said , I saw no Temple there ; but the Lord God and the Lamb are the Temple of it . An hundred more there are of the like nature ; yea all the Prophets speak over the external type and ceremony of that eternal Truth , which is one , one sacrifice , one passeover , one oath of God , which ends all strife and wrath to such as look to it , one circumcision for ever ; and yet under the name of the temporal Type onely which was in the times of the Law , wherein they wrote , and wherein those were used . That of Circumcision was calld an everlasting Covenant , and an everlasting sign in the flesh of Abrahams Seed ; yet we are that Seed , that Circumcision , they but the Concision , and the bastard Seed of scoffing Ishmael , not of Isaac , nor of Israel ; yea in that very place of these mens quoting , and those following , many things are said , which ( in words ) found out the Laws , by which is intended onely the Gospel-services , and the Gospel-superstitions ; He that sacrificeth a Lamb , cuts off a Dogs neck ; He that burns Incense , blesses an Idol , n●…w , as well as then , if his soul delight in abomination ; yet the Sacrifices and Incense now , is not of fed Beasts , and sweet smells , but prayers and praises , which who offers to God from an unclean conscience , is in it abomination to the Lord , as the sacrifice of the wicked is ever said to be , Prov. 15. 8. They that eat Swines flesh , and the abomination , and the Mouse , shall be consumed , in the Anti-type that 's done in these dayes , to which that Prophesie ultimately relates : I create Ierusalem a rejoicing , her people a joy ; yet the Ierusalem which then was , is now a curse among Gods chosen , and her Name translated unto these : Semblably he that sweareth in those days , shall swear by the God of truth , is not spoken of the Ceremony which these times practice , and these men plead for ; but of a substance , a speaking , ( though calld by that name of swearing , which was the shadow ) the truth from the heart , a speaking in righteousness ( though by no more then yea & nay ) in his sight , in whom Gods oath and promises are all yea , or truth itself ; as Christ is said to do , of whom the Saints are , Isa. 63. 1. a saying , ( though call'd a swearing ) the Lord liveth , in truth , and in righteousness in these days , by such as know their Redeemer living . In old time there was a saying , calld also a swearing , the Lord liveth , in falshoold , unrighteousness and deceit , by such as know him not living in themselves , of whom God sayes , Though ye say God lives , yet ye swear falsly ; i. e. who though ye say the truth , yet ye know not that to be truth which ye say , while ye say it , not feeling him living in your selves . Men sware then by the God of Truth in a sound of words , and ceremonious forms ( though J. I. sayes they sware by false Gods , as if they had not at all sware by the God of Truth ) but they did not swear by him in truth and righteousness when they mentioned his Name , but in deceit , as a company of hypocrites ; so that God counted them as swearing falsly , when they uttered the very truth . And that those Oaths these men plead as necessary to end strife , are in no wise meant here , is evident by that very circumstance on which they insist most strictly in proof thereof , if considered but a little more exactly . For 1. whereas they both intimate it , and I. I. very strenuously urges it as a clause necessarily clearing the present lawful use of such oaths , because 't is foretold there shall be such swearing ; at that time ( sayes H. D. ) THEN , yea THEN ( sayes J. I. ) when Jacob and Judahs former troubles , and the former Heavens and Earth shall be forgotten , in the new Heavens and Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness , Any of those wise men whose eyes are in their head when the fools are abroad in the ends of the Earth , would from that self-same clause have seen clear ground to conclude no less then the very contrary ; i. e. the unlawfulness , because the utter uselesness of any such oaths at all in those dayes , as among men are for confirmation and end of strife ; seeing that very place expresses , that all the former troubles , which arise from strife , which is it self the most troublesome thing to it , and the grand ground of all other troubles in the World ( for where envying and strife is , there is the confusion , and every evil work , Iam. 3. 14. 15. 16. ) shall in those days totally be done away . See also Rev. 21. 1. I saw a new Heaven , and a new Earth , for the first were past away , and there was no SEA ; that is , trouble , strife , tossing , tempests , tumults ; wars , hatred , nor contention . Where trouble is forgotten , or ended , there all strife , which is its cause , must be forgotten and ended , ( else as posita causa ponitur effectus , where the cause is , the effect will be ; so where strife is , confusion and trouble will be ) and where all strife is forgotten and ended , there those Oaths , which these men plead for , the very e●…d of which is ( as themselves say ) to end all strife , must necessarily cease , end , and be forgotten also . Again , this Prophesie ( say they truly enough ) relates to the time of the new Heavens and Earth wherein dwelleth Righteousness , when the old , wherein unrighteousness dwelt , together with its unrighteousness , is removed . Which if so , where is any room or use for strife , and the oaths that are to end them , when strife , which is unrighteousness , and the root of all unrighteousness is buried in the bottomless pit from whence it came ? J Ives argues p. 11. in his fifth Reason ( as is above said ) from the being of strife , to the necessity of a being of Oaths to end them ; but to run down and rout that reason , I shall render another reason out of J. I's paper p. 9. viz. in the latter days , when the new heavens and earth are created , wherein dwelleth righteousness , and former troubles are forgotten , there shall be no more of that unrighteousness , those fleshly works , which strife is none of the least part of ; therefore no more need of Oaths then to end all stri●…e . Thus as of those that argue against our Tenet of perfecting holiness ( as to purging from sin ) here , from the necessity of sins continuance in them to this end , that they may be kept humble , I would fain know what need of sin to humble , when perfect holiness , which can't be without true humility , which is a prime part of it , is brought in ? and what shall become of Pride , when all sin , which it 's not the least of , is done away ? So of them that say in the new Jerusalem there 's need of Oaths to end all strife , I would as fain know ( if they be able to tell me ) what must become of all strife , ( which is such a troublesom piece of unrighteousness , and the root of all other trouble & unrighteousness also ) in the day when all such sin and transgression as strife is , must be finished and made an end of , and nothing but the everlasting righteousness brought in by Christ , who to such as wait for it in his Light , is bringing near that his righteousness , so that it shall be revealed , and his salvation from sin so quickly , that it shall not tarry ? We see then how these two men make one head agaist one man , viz. H. Den and J. Ives against J. Ives , to push him down ; and how both these men ( well weigh'd ) interfeer and hack their own shins , so as to come limping home in that lame cause they ventured out in : What need we any further witness against them ? Ye your selves ( O people ) who have but half an eye , and do not shut it , may see their confusion under their own hands ; and how instead of building their house ( as Wisdom doth hers ) they have with folly pull'd it down with their hands . So ( as H. D. and J. I. hath done ) let all hasty Opposers of Christs plain Commands in print , when ( to save themselves a whipping ) they have violated them , contrarily to their own comfort , if not their Conscience , make Rods for their own tayles , and soundly slash themselves with them when they have done . H. D. does no more ( as to this point of Prophesie ) in proof of Swearing ; but J. I. doubles his Files , and fights on as follows , pag. 9. J. I. That Text Psal. 15. 4. is by many understood to respect the time of the New-Testament ; and if so , then one of the great Qualifications that is required of those that shall dwell in Gods holy Hill , is that they shall swear to their own hurt , and change not . Rep. If so , that it relates to the New-Testament , as it s understood by many to do ? This is a supposition onely , therefore can be no sound proof of the point , unless I. I. durst lay it down in a position , that so it is . 2. Yet ( to take it as I. I. would have it ) let I. I. consider again whether this be one of the great qualifications that 's required of such as shall dwell in Gods holy Hill , viz. that they shall swear to their own hurt ? Does God , or did he ever require any man , on pain of exclusion from his holy Hill , to swear to his own hurt ? I. I. sayes so , and the simple may believe every word that he sayes ; but the prudent will look well to his going . And if I. I. sayes I abuse him in taking the two Clauses as under that he puts together ; affirming it a blessed duty when a man hath sworn ( though to his own hurt ) not to change , I grant that , unless it be so that ( no Oath being any bond at all to any iniquity ) a man hath sworn to do any sin , as I do not say I. I. hath in swearing to be peaceable toward the King ( though I judge he hath so far sinn'd in swearing that , which , had he feared God more then man , he ( speaking the truth in his heart ) should but have promis'd or asserted , that he may lawfully change , so as to repent of his rash act of swearing ) otherwise , if a man have rashly sworn or spoken to his loss or damage in outward things , it appears by this place he had better keep that oath or word , then break it : But what will I. I. get by all this , if to swear in this Text were not ( as in truth it is ) to be understood the same way as in that above spoken , viz. for speaking in righteousness , or uttering no more then the very truth from the heart , viz. thus much and no more then we freely do , and can afford to grant , namely , that this Text commendeth in no wise ( much less commandeth ) swearing , any more then Matth. 5. which condemns it altogether as no Gospel-duty , but onely condemneth Forswearing ( a thing in use in these days , and in fashion well-nigh as much as swearing is ) which sin of Forswearing ( though it s fear'd it may befall many seeming Saints , that for hast and fear , make no conscience of some swearing ) both we , and Christ also approves not in that place , where he downrightly ( as an evil ) reproves the other . I. I. Isa. 45. 23. God sweareth , That to him every knee shall bow , and every tongue shall Swear ; and because sacred swearing by GOD is a confessing of him , the Apostle translates every tongue shall Confess , Rom. 14. 11. plainly expounding the prophesie to relate to New-Testament times . Rep. This I. I. saies proves what I said above as fully as I need , or can desire to have it proved my self : for it shews to him that 's willing to see it , that the Antitype now in the times of the Gospel , answering to the Ceremony of Swearing , which was the Type of it under the Law , is Confessing , and not denying when we witness affirmatively , though by but Yea ; or denying onely , though by but Nay , when we witness negatively to any truth : If confessing and denying to God , from our hearts , or before God now , who knows our hearts , but by yea or nay be so under the Law , then confessing or denying from our hearts to men by but yea and nay ( as before God who knows our hearts ) is the substance of those shadowy Oaths that were under the Law , and that eternal Truth into which that Temporal Type or Ceremony is now resolved ; so that whereas J. I. sayes thus , viz. And because sacred Swearing by God is a confessing of him , the Apostle translates every tongue shall Confess ; I return thus , viz. And because the confessing ( in truth ) of the spirtual holy Seed , ( which is the substance of that carnal holy Seed which was the Type ) is the Sustbance of that sacred , ceremonious Swearing which was under the Law , The Apostle who wrote in the dayes of the Gospel , expounds that thus , Every tongue shall confess ; which the Prophet that wrote in the times of the Law when the Type of Swearing was in use , expresses thus , Every tongue shall swear . H. D. in pursuit of the proof of his propounded universality , proceeds to the eonsent of all Nations . I will add one thing more ( quoth he ) which is the consent of all Nations whatsoever , whether Jews or Gentiles , Greeks or Barbarians , between Princes & Subjects , Enemies & Friends , for the reconciling differences , ending controversies , assuring of faith one towards the other : This appears among the Greeks by several unquestionable Authors , and Authentick Records amongst the Romans by the Laws of the twelve Tables , among all other Nations under Heaven , by sufficient evidence and demonstration , which is able to put it out of all doubt . Now how great is this Authority , namely , the consent of all Nations ? It is doubtless a demonstraiion of the second rate , some there are that account it of the first rate , viz. That the consent of Nations is taken for Divine Evidence , and in many things we do so take it : What doth it speak less , then that the taking of an Oath is one of the dictates written and engraven in the heart of man by Nature●… finger , seeing that there is no Nation so barbarous , but doth acknowledge the solemn and religious use of an Oath , in calling their God to witness , which considered , I have sometimes wondred why the people distinguished by the name of Quakers should say , that the Light within them teacheth them to deny an Oath , when as that Light which is Universal , teacheth all the Nations of the earth the contrary . Rep. This seems to be given out by H. D. with more pomp and triumph , and shew and ceremony , then all its fellows , as some grand ground that adds weight to all those as light , as lightless ones that went before it ; but mole ruit su●… ( saving its greatness ) it hath not so much goodness in it , as will make good the ground against the Qua , who by H. D. ( like as Ioshua and his fellows of old to the Light-hating Professors ) are as men wondered at , nor so much force as will save it from falling by its own falshood to the ground : and were it as true ( as H. D. onely saies 't is ) that Swearing was us'd amongst all Nations under heaven , by sufficient evidence and demonstration which is able to put it out of all doubt , yet that would not put it out of all doubt , nor be sufficent evidence and demonstration that Swearing is now to be used among true Christians : But alas , as great as H. D. saies this Authority is , namely , The consent of all Nations ; which ( quoth he ) is a demonstration of the second rate , at least , and some account it of the first rate ; yet as 't wil not prove Swearing lawful among Saints , were it true that it hath been so used , so neither is it true that it hath been so universally used ( as he supposes ) by universal consent among all Nations . There 's yet no demonstration or evidence scientifical afforded by H. D. that there 's the use of an Oath among all Nations whatsoever , Iews or Gentiles , Greeks or Barbarians , especially that it hath been us'd as universally in all times and places , as by all persons , which is the uuiversality of swearing , at first propounded by H. D. to be proved , in prosecution òf his proof of the universality of the use of Oaths by all persons in all times ; who after he had only conjectured that practice of swearing to be not above 300 , years younger then the Moon , falls a confessing p. 3. ( as is shewed above ) that ( for ought he knows by Scripture , which speaks not plainly what the old world did in this case ) 't is no elder then about 400. years younger then the Flood : Now how can that be said to be universally us'd in all times and places , by all persons and Nations by consent , of which 't is not plain by Scripture-evidence that 't was in use at all for 1600. years together in the old world , nor till 400. ( which with the other amount ▪ to 2000 years in all ) were spent and gone even of the new ? Who is so blind as not to see how H. D. dashes himself against himself , by pinching his own propounded universality into a meer particularity , as he renewed his first propounded high Antiquity , into no less nor more then that meer novelty of 2000. years after the Moon . But 2ly . admit it had been 2000. years elder then H. D. makes it appear to be , and so in all times , yea and by Consent of all Nations used also ; yet was it used neither by the consent of all , nor without the dissent of sundry persons and parties in sundry Nations ; and so H. D.'s Authoritative Doctrine still goes down the wind , and can't be own'd at that high rate , at which he prizes it . Now that it neither is , nor hath been so universally assented to by the Nations , as H. D. nakedly affirms it hath , but dissented from by sundry in the Nations where it hath been used , and that not single persons of note onely , but whole parties , and by those persons and parties still that were grown to discern best between the Ceremony and the Substance , and to prefer the truth , power , equity and end of the Law , before those thin , empty , thred-bare , trashy and chaffy forms and formalities , which ( like as Pharaohs seven lean Kine , and blasted ears of corn , that ▪ did eat up the fat and well-liking ) devoured ever the equity it self , and destroied things ( as to their first good , honest , innocent and true intents ) is evident enough to be seen in sundry instances of men eminent in their generations , among whom was Philo , who saith , It is best and most profitable , and to the rational nature most convenient to abstain from Swearing , and so to accustome ones self to veracity , that ones Word may be taken for an Oath . Also we read of the Essaeans , the honestest of the three Sects of the Jewes in Christ's time , of whom some judg most of the believing Iewes came in Christ's time , that by faith in him became Christians ; because the Scripture mentions none but the other two , viz. the Sadduces and Pharisees , few of which heeded Christ , and most of which did ever vehemently oppose both him and his few followers ; Of those Essaeans I say we read in Iosephus , That Whatsoever they say is firmer then an Oath , and to Swear is among them accounted a thing superfluous . Also from the Essaeans and those Hebrews whom the Essaeans followed , the same seems to be received by Pythagoras , whose sentence was on this wise ; Let no man swear by the Gods , but every one take care of his credit , that he may be believed without an Oath . And whereas H. D. speaks of all Nations , yet if he had heeded what Curtius writes and relates of the Scythians in their sayings to Alexander , he would have found them testifying to him thus of themselves , viz. Think not that the Scythians confirm their friendship by Oath ; they Swear by keeping their Word . And because H. D. speaks so much of the Laws of the Greeks and Romans , by which they in their twelve Tables so strictly ratifying and injoining that practice of Swearing , he might have considered , how ( according to Cicero's relation in one of his Orations ) when one at Athens , who had lived among them in great repute for his gravity and sanctity , had publikely given his testimony , and approached the Altars to make his Oath , all the Iudges with one accord reclaimed , and would not let him swear upon this account , viz. Because they would not have it thought that Truth depended more upon the Religion of an Oath , then upon the Word of an honest man : All which serves to refute H. D. his peremptory position concerning the consent of all Nations under heaven , to the solemne and religious use of an Oath ; at least , if by all Nations he means , as he well may ( denomination being ever more ex meliori , then ex majori ) the best , most solemne , and truly religious persons in those Nations . Thus we see to the confusion of H. D. that Heathens consent , it 's needless just men swear , Forbid it , and cry out ( for shame ) forbear . However ●…et it be ne'er so universally now assented to by all Nations , yet all in the Nations assent not to it , nor yet that peculiar people , and holy Nation that is redeemed unto God by the blood of the Lamb from among the Nations , Tongues , Kindreds and People of the Earth , even the holy Seed , that is the substance of that holy Seed , or Iewish Nation , which with their Ceremonies were but Types for a time of them and their more spiritual and substantial services . And this dissent from that practice of Swearing upon a Bible ; with fingering , kissing , holding up the hand , or other vain , superfluous customs of man's imposing , so much consented to ( as H. D. saies ) among all Nations , is not now so newly entered in this Nation of England , but that we can give Presidents of holy Martyrs suffering for it , as well as for other things before us , even in Q. Maries daies , and before ; whose sufferings H. D. and I. I. do what in them is to make of none effect . Take some Examples and Testimonies of some Martyrs concerning Swearing . In the Reign of Richard the second , William Swinderby said , The Pope , the Prelacy , neither any Ordinary , can compel any man to swear by any Creature of God , or by the Bible Book . In the Reign of Henry the fourth . William Thorp was accused , that the second Sunday after Easter he said openly in St. Chaddes Church in his Sermon , That Priests have no title to Tythes , and that it is not lawful to swear in any wise . Again , Will . Thorp accounted it not lawful to swear upon a Bible-Book , it being made up of divers Creatures ; and that he ought not to swear by any Creature . The Arch-Bishop menaced him with great punishments , and sharp , except he left that Opinion of Swearing . He replyed , It is the Opinion of our Saviour and St. Iames , and doth conclude , if Chrysostome counteth him worthy of great blame , that bringeth forth a Book to swear upon ; it must needs follow , that he is more to blame that sweareth upon that Book . Then ( as William Thorp relateth ) the Clerk said , Lay the●… ▪ thine hand upon the Book , touching the holy Gospel of God , and take thy Charge . Then said William , I u●…derstand that the holy Gospel of God may not be touched with mans hands : Walter Bruce in his Answer concerning Swearing , saith , I believe and obey the Doctrine of Almighty God , and my Master Iesus Christ , which teacheth , that Christian men in affirmation of a Truth , should pass the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees of the old Testament , or else he excludeth them from the Kingdom of Heaven ; for he saith , Unless your Righteousness exceed the Righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees , ye cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven . And as concerning Oaths , he saith , It hath been said to them of old time . Thou shalt not for swear thy self , but shalt perform unto the Lord what thou vowest ; But I say , Thou shalt not swear at all ; but let your communication be , yea , yea , nay , nay ; for whatsoever shall be more then this , proceedeth of evil . Therefore saith he , as the perfection of the antient men of the Old Testament was not to for swear themselves ; so the perfection of Christian men is , not to swear at all ; because they are commanded of Christ , whose commands in no case must be broken . Although that the City of Rome is contrary to the Doctrine of Christ . Likewise in Queen Maryes dayes , in the fourth Examination of one Elizabeth Young , before the Bishop of London , Docter Martin , and others . See Fox 2d . Vol. pag. 1874. D. Martin said , She hath a certain spirit of the Anabaptists ; for she refuseth to swear upon the four Evangelists before the Iudge ; for I my self , and Mr. Hussy , have had her before us four times ; but we cannot bring her to swear , &c. Then said the Bishop , Wilt thou not swear before a Iudge ? that is the right trade of the Anabaptists . * Eliz. I will not swear that this hand is mine . No , said the Bishop ; and why ? Eliz. Christ saith , Whatsoever is more then yea , yea , or nay , nay , it cometh of evil . Then said Cholmly , Twenty pound it is a man in womans clothes . Twenty pound it is a man . Eliz. I am a woman . Bishop , Swear her upon a Booke , seeing it is but a Question asked . Then Doctor Cook brought her a Book , commanding her to lay thereon her hand . Eliz. No , I will not swear , for I know not what an Oath is ; but I say , That I am a woman , and have Children . Bishop , That know we not ; wherefore swear . Cholmly , Thou ill-favoured Whore , lay thy hand upon a Book , I will lay on mine . Eliz. So will not I mine . D. Cook , Swear before us whether thou be a man or a woman . Eliz. If ye will not believe me , then send for women into a secret place , and I will be tryd . Then Cholmley called her ill-favoured Whore ; and the Bishop began to question her concerning the Sacrament of the Altar . This last passage of those Popish Priests and Bishops , I was the more free to relate here , because it is so resembled to the life , or rather to the death , by that light , unsavory deportment of some in these days , who , when they should reprove or punish , at discountenance rather then i●…tate that leud demeanour of those Massy Ministers ( which is indeed unbecoming meaner men , much more either Ministers or Magistrates , when they sit in Iudicature ) do put sober Maids , when they are brought before them about the Oath of Allegiance , to swear whether they are Maids or not . Thus we see these Dying Martyrs , that lived and died in their measure of the Light of Christ to them then given ( whose Testimony one would think H. D. at least should take for divine evidence before the Consent of the Nations that are universally erred , and universally alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them , and because of the blindness of their hearts , and are past feeling , being in the Fall from the Light of God ) did enter their dissent in this case of Swearing , and seal to their dissent from it with their blood . What a miserable thing is it then that H. D. should now dissent from the holy Martyrs and Suffering Saints of God both now , and of old , in their Testimony against Popish Superstition , and cleave to those customs ( as the Truth of Christ ) which ( excepting by the Saints ) are universally consented to by th●…Nations : As he saies , What Nation so barbarous , but doth acknowledge the solemne and religious use of an Oath , in calling Their God ( mark , Their God ) to witness ; so may we not as wel say , What Nation so barbarous , but that it hath some false God to worship , som false way of Worship ? What Nation so barbarom , but it commits Idolatry , and approves it as good ? What Nation so barbarous , that will not fall down before some golden image , or superstitious worship or other with approbation , if the Kings and Powers think fit to impose it ? What Nation so barbarous , but it will alter , or for fear fore-go the Worsh●…p of their God , and their Religion , if their Rulers require it ? But what 's this to the few Saints ? Are they to fashion themselves therefore according to the Nations , as H. D. would have them ? When Nebuchadnezar made a Decree for it , all the people and Nations ( it is said ) and the Languages consented , with their Princes , Governors , Captains , Iudges , Counsellors , Treasurers , Sheriffs and Rulers , and fell down and worshipped the golden Image which Nebuchanezar the King set up , excepting the three children of God : Was truth , therefore 〈◊〉 the Nations sides ? Was their consent to be taken for divine evidence , or the dissent rather of those Three ? And when all the people forbore to pray to their God , except Daniel , because Darius forbad them , was his dissenting and praying , or their consenting to leave it off whether , to be taken for divine evidence ? Judge O Saints , Dan. 3. 3 , 7. & 7. 7 , &c. Yet what doth it speak less then that the taking of an Oath ( quoth he ) is one of the dictates written and engraven in the heart of man by natures ●…inger , seeing there's no Nation so barbarous , but doth acknowledge the solemne and religious use of an Oath ? Hath he forgotten that the Nature and Image which the Nations are now universally degenerated and gone out into , from that of God , after which they were at first created , is that of the Divel , by which all ( till they be renewed and regenerated back unto the other ) are children of wrath ? Is he ignoran●… that the vail is over all hearts , and the face of a covering and cloud of darkness is spread over all Nations ; till it be removed and destroied by the Light of him , who is manifested a Light to the Nations , and is come a light into the world into men in their own consciences by a measure of his Grace , that he might destroy that nature , image , work and kingdom of the Divel , who is the Ruler of the darkness of this world ? Is he ignorant that the world lies in wickedness , 1 Joh : 5. excepting those few who know they are of God ? Is he ignorant that the whole world hath wondred after the Beast , and worshipped the Dragon that gave his power to the Beast , excepting those few whose names are written in the Book of life ? What a thing is this that H. D. should bring the consent and customs of the Nations which are va●…n , that lie under a corrupt nature , none doing good in that , no not one ; that are all gone out of the way , altogether become abominable , as a President for Christ's people to be conformed to , who are charged not to be conformed unto this world , but to be transformed by the renewing of their minds , Rom. 12. 2. He might almost as well have alledg'd this to prove the lawfulness of prophane , ordinary , frequent , common swearing , and exorbitant , extravagant Oaths , which himself condemns , as in proof of any swearing now , sith all the Nations are consented ( though they make Laws against it ) yet to live and dye together in that ungodly practice , which the Light within them ( but that they heed it not in one , nor yet in t'other ) teacheth them to deny as well as t'other . What the corrupt natures finger writes in mans heart , is as corrupt as the Nature by which it 's written . Yet ( quoth H. D. ) Considering the use of an Oath is writ in man's heart by Natures finger , I have sometimes wondered why the People , that are distinguisht by the Name of Quakers , should say that the Light within them teacheth them to deny an Oath , when as we see that Light , which is universal , teacheth all the Nations of the Earth the contrary . And p. 8. If the Quaker say the Light within forbiddeth him to swear , the consent of Nations confuteth him . Monstrum horrendum , cui lumen ademptum ! What confusion is here ! Will H. D. make Natures finger , and the measure or beams of the true Light that comes from the living God , and enlightens {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , every man that comes into the world ▪ John 1. 9. all one ? Or will he not blush to argue , that what the Light of God within men forbiddeth , and teacheth to forbear , that the consent of the Nations ( as they are fallen ) and that corrupt Nature they are fallen into , approveth and commandeth men to practice , and therefore they may practice it ; as if it were safer to follow the imaginatious dictates of the Devils nature , which man hath contracted since he is gone out from that of God in which he was created , then to follow God's own Counsel , which is the Light in the Conscience ? Doth he not know , that what is according to the consent of Nations in the fall , is not according to the Light , and and so not according to God the Author of that Light , and so stands condemned by them both ? Doth the Baptist say the consent of Nations confutes the Quaker in the point of Swearing , which the Light within him biddeth him to do ? Doth not the consent of Scripture herein confute the swearing Baptist , while it sayes , Swear not at all , and that the customs of the Nations are vain ? Is not the Law that 's in Heathens hearts , whereby they are accused or excused , the Law of God , whose Law is Light ? And is not that Law spiritual , ( though universal ? ) yet will H. D. here call it natural , Natures finger ? Which , if he speaks of the Nature that the world ( excepting the f●…●…aints ) is found in while in the fall , and in the imagination of mans heart , is a Nature , and a Finger that writes onely evil , vanity and deceit ; for whatever is good , holy , true and just , is written in man by the Law , by the Light and Spirit of the living God , by the finger of ●…od in the fleshly Tables of his heart , of which his writing with his finger in Tables of Stone of old , was but the Type , 2 Cor. 3. but Swearing & Oaths which are of no use where strife hath no place , which hath place onely in the fall , are none of those things that are written there thereby : But if by Natures finger H. D. intends Nature in its primitive purity , while man stood in innocency , ( as perhaps , yea probably and very likely he does ) and by the writing of Natures Finger , he means what was written in man , when he was made upright by God himself , who made him , and gave him light and understanding . If he will needs have that to be natures finger , and that Light and understanding to be but natural ( which being God's Law in his heart , was purely spiritual , and flowing from God by gift , and not ex traduce , nor ex princip●…s natur●… ) what gets he by it in his cause ? For till Strife came in , Oaths could not come in , which were to end it ; and therefore no strife being before the Fall , after which the enmity had its being in man , before the Fall the Light that was natural ( let him call it natures finger , or what he will ) could not write in man's heart the solemn and religious use of Oaths : nor doth when man ( the enmity being slain in him ) recovers purely out of the strife and hatred back again into the love and peace . Obj. But quoth H. D. p. 7 , 8. How can that be accounted evil which is approved by all Nations ? Recollect your thoughts , and consider whether you can give me one instance of any one evil which hath been allowed and approved among all Nations : if you cannot , then 't will be a sufficent demonstration that the taking of an Oath is nothing simply evil . Rep. But if we can , then 't wil be a sufficient demonstration , that ( for ought H. D. hath at all urged to the contrary ) the taking of an Oath may be something that is simply evil , and that we may think it unlawful to swear , though the consent of Nations doth confirm it as lawful . I shall therefore give one instance of something that is not lawful to be used among the Saints and Church of God , and Christs Disciples , which yet is allowed , and approved , and judged , and called good among the Nations . Luk. 22. 25 , 26. The Kings of the Nations ( saith Christ to his Disciples ) exercise Lordship over them , and they that exercise Authority upon them , are called Benefactors , i. e. Well-doers : Here 's a thing agreed to by consent of all Nations , that their Kings , alias , Rulers , should exercise Dominion over them . Yet it shall not be so among you ; but he that is greatest among you , let him be as the yo●…ger ; and he that is chief , as he that doth serve : Yea , Paul said , the Apostles had not dominion o're the Faith of the meanest ; and Peter ▪ forbids the Ministry to Lord it , or have Dominion over the Clergy , or Heritage of God ( {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} ) yet that 's a thing commonly consented to among the Nations , that their very Priests , as well as Princes , shall Lord it over them and their Faith , which they universally ( excepting the Saints still ) do pin upon their Priests and Chemarims sleeves . Here 's an instance of one thing universally approved of , and allowed by consent among all Nations , which yet is an evil that ought not to be found among Christs Disciples , nor true Christians . I have done with H. D. as to his disputative doings in this point of Swearing from these two Common places , or Topicks that are common to him and Papists , viz. Antiquity , and Universality ; neither of which can prove the things they plead for , so Catholick , as to either time , place or person ; but that we can shew both when , where , and by whom they were dissented from , and both impleaded and disproved . So that how lame these two legs are , upon which H. Dens false witness walks , he must be well-nigh as blind as they are lame , who cannot see . We have seen also how pedlingly these two men have proved the lawfulness of that practice of Swearing , from the consideration of its being prophesied of , and also its being practised by precept in former dayes by holy men , viz. the Prophets under the Law , and the Apostles under the Gospel : Under the Law we grant holy men us'd it as they did the other types , figures , shadows and ceremoni●…s that pertained to it ; but its being practised then by precept , pr●…es not that there 's any precept now for its being practised : Under the Gospel it would prove it practicable now , had it been both practised and enjoined by either Christ or his Apostles ; but here they can give us neither President nor Precept for ( though we bring them no less then express prohibition of ) such a practise . Obj. Christ forbids not swearing by God , but swearing by any thing besides God , as Heaven , Earth , the Head , the Temple , the Altar ( as Ier. Ives saith , p. 14. ) whose words are these , They did not matter what they sware by , so they performed the things they promised ; therefore Christ forbids their swearing any Oath , either by Heaven , or Earth , or the Temple , or Jerusalem , or by their Head ; but would it not be illogical to conclude from hence , That therefore we must not swear by the Lord in things lawful ? So that by this Text , and that in James , we are forbid to swear by anything below God ; it also forbids all voluntary Oaths , which they swore to perform to the Lord by any Creature . And p. 13. All swearing : in our common communication is forbidden , ( quoth he ) as appears by these words , but let your communication be yea , yea : Our Saviour and the Apostle forbid all common swearing in our ordinary conversations , and not solemn and sacred swearing . Also , as H. D. saith , p. 7. It appears to be the aim of our Saviour , not to forbid solemn Oaths before the Magistrate , &c. and between man and man upon grave and mature deliberation ; but onely to put a stop to common and frequent , light and trivial swearing . And p. 6. Christs words in proper speech should be read , Let not your whole Conversation be interwoven with Oaths . And p. 8. Christ indeed forbids those exorbitant and extravagant Oaths ( meaning whether by the Name of God , or other matters in ordinary conversation ) whereof the streets and Houses are full . Rep. Christ does indeed forbid all such voluntary Oaths as were in use under the Law , and all swearing by any thing besides , or below God ; also all swearing in common communication , and ordinary conversation ( as I. I. confesseth ) but that he doth not forbid also all swearing , even that which H. D. calls solemn Oaths before the Magistrate , & which I. I. pleads for under the term of solemn and sacred swearing , is more then H. D. & I. I. have yet made good , or ever will ; whose confession of that , which none can deny , viz. That common and frequent swearing , and also all swearing , even by God himself in common communication , and ordinary conversation , is forbidden , will serve us sufficiently to make it good against H. D. I. I. or any other , that he doth forbid all that swearing before Courts and Magistrates , which H. D. and I. I. having of late so publikely practised it , begins now with shame enough , as publikely to plead for ; for if Christ forbids ( as I. I. pleads he does ) all swearing by God in our common communication , & ordinary conversation , wherein yea and nay should serve the turn , and all swearing commonly , frequently , ordinarily , ( as H. D. to the same tune phrases it out ) doth he not then forbid that ordinary , common , frequent swearing by God , which is now in Courts , and imposed by Justices , then which , nothing almost is more ordinary , frequent and common ? If our Communications and Conversations must be without swearing , and not interwoven with Oaths , is not this exclusive of swearing before Iustices and Magistrates , as well as other men , in Courts and Consistories , as well as other places , where men have their Conversation and Communication with each other , as ordinarily , frequently , and commonly as elsewhere ? Which considered , I have often mused why these men are so inconsiderate , as to interpret Christ's Prohibition as exclusive of mens swearing in their ordinary converse and discourses , and not in their entercourses with Magistrates , and in Courts , where Oaths ( whether de jure they ought so to be , or no ) are yet de facto , as ordinary , frequent , and common , as in any places whatever ; especially that some men plead so much for Oaths before Magistrates onely , and yet can bring no proof for swearing before them , nor of their right to impose Oaths , more then others , among the many false Instances they bring of Pauls swearing frequently in his ●…etters to the Churches , and imposing Oaths upon them . 2dly , As to H. D. Christ does indeed forbi●… all such exorbitant and extravagant Oaths , as H. D. means ; let him by those phrases of exorbitant and extravagant , mean what he can o●… will . I say , Christ forbids such exorbitant and extravagant Swearing , ( as above-said ) but whether more swearing then that onely which H. D. accounts on , for which the Land mourns , be not by Christ forbidden as exorbitant and extravagant now , is worth H. D. and I. I.'s most deep inquiry ; yea whether swearing by God now , be not as exorbitant and extravagant , i. e. beside Rule , forbidden , as well as by ought else , and that as well in serious , as in trifling matter : Wshich if it be , then swearing at all , or all swearing ( though some is much more so , then some ) will seem to be beside the Way and Will of God , as well as some ; and that it is there , needs not much proof to him that is not minded to wink ▪ against Matth. 5. 33. Iam. 5. 12. And here I shall take occasion to fall in with H. D. & I. I. about those two Texts from whence ( as to our Scripture-grounds ) we conclude against them the now unlawfulness of any swearing ; yea , the cessation of such swearing as not onely was then in use , but ( by permission and commission from God , as a Type for a time ) is yeilded by us to have been lawful under the Law ; and to the end it may be the more clearly seen on which side the Truth lies , whether ours , who speak plainly according to the Text , and the true intent of it ; or on theirs , who most palbably pervert it ; I shall set down the words as they lye in both those places , of both Christ and the Apostle Iames ; Matth. 5. 33 , 34 , 35 , 36 , 37. Ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time , Thou shalt not forswear thy self , but shalt perform unto the Lord thine Oaths . But I say unto you , Swear not at all , neither by Heaven , for is is Gods Throne , neither by the Earth , for it is his footstool ; neither by Ierusalem , for it is the City of the great King . Neither shalt thou swear by thy head , because thou canst not make on●… hair white or black . But let your communication be , Yea , yea , Nay , nay ; for whatsoever is more then these , cometh of evil . Iam. 5. 12. But above all things my brethren , swear not , neither by Heaven , neither by the Earth , neither by any other Oath ; but let your yea be yea ; and your nay , nay ; lest ye fall into c●…demnation . In which two Texts say we ( in the affirmative ) all manner of swearing is forbidden ; for the truth of which construction there are many reasons to be given , as 1. Because All manner of swearing is expresly instanced in those Disjunctive clauses , which are expresly conclusive , and confequently ( because spoken by way of Probibition ) exclusive , exceptive of all swearing that ean be thought on . Swear not , swear not at all , say the Texts ; that 's enough to any save such as list to be contentious ; ye●… that none might imagine ( as H. D. and I. I. would make men do ) that this general Rul●… here admits of any exception , but all know that the prohibition is so strict , as to allow of no permission in that point , to swear by any thing but God , he adds●… , either by Earth , neither by Ierusalem , neither by the Head . And lest any should think he forbids onely and no more then the extravagant Oaths of such as swear by the creatures ; as Earth , Ierusalem , the Head , and such like , when as who ever sware lawfully under the Law , was to swear by none but God himself ; he adds , not by heaven , for it is Gods Throne ; Which is exclusive of all swearing novv by God himself , by whom men might swear in old time : For 23. 22. He that shall swear by Heaven , sweareth by the Throne of God , and by him that sitteth thereon . And lastly , that there may be no root at all left for any reasoning for swearing against this flat prohibition of it , he concludes and shuts up all in such universal terms , as exclude both all Oaths , and all possible pretence of plea at all also for any swearing ; adding , neither by any other Oath , when these are ? What words so few as these ( if one would devise a form of speech to speak in to such a purpose ) can be more expresly exclusive both of all kinds or sorts of Swearing , and of all sorts of particular Oaths of every kind . 2. It 's most evident that Christ prohibits somewhat more here then was forbidden under the Law , yea whatever Oaths were lawful under the Law ; therefore it must be either all swearing at all , or else none at all ; either all such swearing as was lawfully used and allowed as a type for a time in the Law , Oaths made lawfully and acceptably to God , or else nothing more at all then what was forbidden in the Law : for all false ▪ swearing and forswearing , or breaking solemne Oaths made ( as unto God ) was forbidden in and by the Law ; see Numb. 30. 2. ( the place which Christ seems to allude to ) therefore here swearing it self , or nothing . Mat. 5. Ye have heard it said by them of old time , not of late by the Scribes and Pharisees onely putting their false Glosses on the Law ( as I. I. intimates out of other authors , with whose Heifer he plows , p. 13. saying the words [ But I say ] Imply not that there was any thing in his precepts which was not in the Law , but rather somewhat that he would reinforce from the Law , which by reason of their false Glosses upon it , had no force upon their lives ) but of old by Moses and the Law , Thou shalt not forswear thy self , but shalt perform to the Lord thine Oaths ; But I say , Swear not at all , no not by any Oath at all : Note the opposition in that adversative particle [ But ] which is between the old , lawful , legal swearing , and no swearing at all ; not between no swearing , and such prophane swearing as was unlawful under the Law . The summe is thus ; The Law said , Break no Oaths ; but I say , Take none : For if he intends no more in these phrases , Swear not at all , not by any Oath , &c. Then thus ; Swear not vainly , prophanely , ordinarily , exorbitantly , extravagantly in your common communication , forswear not your selves ; What forbids he more then the Law forbad ? which Law he came not to destroy , but to fulfil , by taking away the Ceremony of swearing , & establishing the substance in its stead , which is , speaking the truth , as in the sight of God , from the heart : yea what saies he more to his Disciples else , then the Scribes and Pharisees from the Law to theirs ? For they said , Swear not prophanely , exorbitantly , but by God onely ; Swear not falsly , forswear not ▪ swear and perform to the Lord thy Oaths ; they were as touching that righteousness which was in the Law blameless ; therefore Christ saies more to his Disciples , and that must be , as 't is in express terms , swear no Oath at all ; otherwise how could their righteousness exceed that of the Scribes and Pharises , which except it did , they could in no case enter the Kingdom . The perfection and righteousness of the Law therefore in this point of swearing was Not forswearing , the perfection and righteousness of the Gospel in the same is Not swearing at all : So the Gospel exceeds the Law in every point ; the Law says , Kill not ; the Wisdom of the Gospel , Be not angry ; the Law , Commit not Adultery ; the Wisdom it self in the Gospel , Look not on a woman , lust not ; the Law , Love thy Neighbour , hate thine Enemy , ( for the Iew that was of the Law , might spoile the Gentiles their Enemies , but must lend to each other ) the Wisdome , Love Enemies : Which thing , though it might be spoken in the time of the Law , yet 't was the Wisdom and the Spirit spake it , and not the Law , which allowed the Israelite to spoile the Aegyptian and the Amalakite ; he was to help his Enemies Ox or Asse under a burden , i. e. if he were belonging to a Iew , that personally hated him , and not an Amalakite , one of the cursed race : But this Type is a riddle , I see , too hard for I. I. to read and unfold , who saies , the Law required to love the Enemy . The Law said , An eye for an eye , a tooth for a tooth : The Gospel , Resist not ev●…l ; but put up , pass by , bear ; In all points the Word of the Wisdom went beyond the Law , also in this of Swearing ; yet it did not , if now there be any swearing at all . Moreover I. Ives his words would imply , as if the Law had no force on the lives of Christs Disciples now , as if they were short of its righteousness , but they were not now ; and 't is his Disciples to whom he here directs his speeches , and not the Pharisees , and such as were guided and gull'd by their Glosses . So 't is Oaths lawfully taken of old time that Christ here forbids , which the Iewes when they had taken , did not keep , though they should have kept them ; as in the points of that Circumcision , Passeover , Sacrifice , &c. which were injoined before ; so in that of Swearing by God to end strife , Christ puts an end to the Ceremony and the Type , fulfilling it , and resolves it by the sacrifice of himself into the very substance and Truth it self , the Circumcision not made with hands , Himself our everlasting Passeover , the everlasting Word , Covenant , or Oath of God : So that ( saving that men make so much ado about the shadow ) we indeed are in the very substance of all Oaths , ●…n Christ Iesus the Truth it self , in whom all the promises of God are Yea , and in Him Amen . We are in that Truth , in which and from which speaking , promising , and witnessing , though but by Yea or Nay , we witness more Evangelically , more acceptably to God , more credibly to men , more substantially , more unchangeably ( our Word standing without variation , when once past from us ; our Yea being Yea , and our Nay , Nay ) then all the unconstant , shuffling , shadowy and ceremonious Swearers upon a Bible with touching and kissing , or by the sacred Sacrament , by the blessed Eucharist , by the holy Evangelist , &c. that are in all the world . Yea our Yea and Nay is as firm , as free from change and fit to be trusted , as all their Oaths upon a Book , with whom there is nothing but yea and nay , so and no , and subjection to forswear and lye , ( our Adversaries themselves being Iudges ) so that as there is not cause for it , sith ( as I. I. saith ) he that will swear wickedly , or against his conscience , will lye ; and he that cannot violate his conscience so as to swear against it , cannot violate it by lying neither ; so there is not more belief begotten in each others hearts by their own Oaths , then is by the bare word of an honest man ; yea they confess they believe we are innocent as from Plots , faithful to the ▪ King , peaceable with all men . But alas ! Heu quam facile est invenire Baculum ad caedendum canem ; we are made worse then Dogs by the misrepresentations of malicious men , and then it 's an easie matter to find a matter against us , & a staff to beat us : Et Damnati lingua vocem habet , vim non habet ; the tongue of a condemned man , let him speak what he wil , hath a voice , but little force to free him from such as have more resolution of mind , then reality of ground to persecute him ; otherwise Christ who had more innocency , would have had more indemnity then any man , if innocency might indemnifie a man from the envy and merciless cruelty of the wicked , who watcheth the righteous , seeking to slay him , & gnasheth upon him with his teeth ; but though the Lamb hath the clearer , and the better Cause , yet the Wolfe hath the longer , and the bigger teeth ; and therefore the Lamb must be worried and devoured by him , for no more then meerly drinking at the Fountain . Many more circumstances there are that clear the 2. Texts aforesaid , to be intended as we take them , as an universal Prohibition of all swearing ; but verbum sat sapienti , a wise mans faith needs few words to confirm it . I shall therefore onely take notice of what H. D. and I. I. our joint opposers herein , do make against it ; and so shut my hands at once of these two shufflers and their shuffles , beginning first with I. I. who last appeared . 1. This Text ( quoth I. I. p. 7. ) of Matth. 5. 38. cannot be understood to forbid all such swearing as was under the Law . His reasons , which are five ( four of which have been spoken to above already , and therefore need no more refutation ) are as follows : R. Because some such swearing was used by Christ himself . ep. 1. That Christ did not swear . 2. That if he had sworn to the High-Priest ( as I. I. falsely sayes he did ) yet it being before the Law ended at his death , to which , till then , Christ was conformable , it had been no more president for us , then his eating the Passeover , and other things , is shew'd above . Reas. 2. The Ordinances of the Law , or Old-Testament , of which Swearing was one , ended not till Christ's death , the Testator ; but swear not at all was spoken before his death ; therefore all such Oaths as were commanded under the Law , are not forbidden by that Text , Matt. 5. 38. Rep. Though spoken before his death , yet with reference to the Gospel-times after his death ; And ( ad hominem ) if all that was uttered or instituted by Christ , before Christs death , ended at his death , let I. I. leave baptizing in water , and breaking Bread , which both were enjoined , and actually used before Christ's death ; but that he will not do to this day : And if he plead a reiteration of the Commands for Water-baptism and breaking bread . Acts 10. ult. 1 Cor. 11. let him own the prohibition of swearing to be reiterated , Iam. 5. 12. after Christ's death . Moreover if I. I. had had his wits well about him when he wrote this Reason , he might clearly have seen how it renders his foregoing Reason reasonless , as to the end he renders it for ; this weakens the force of his argument for some swearing , from the example of Christs swearing ; for the time wherein I. I. ( but falsely ) sayes Christ sware , was before his death , for he had not yet suffered ; and that first Testament which the Ceremony of Swearing belonged to , continued till the Testators death ; And after his resurrection J. I. himself ( who falsly sayes he sware before it ) will not say he sware . God concerning him sware once for all , even that Oath of which there 's no repentance , which stands for ever , saying ( as concerning the everlasting Righteousness and Peace that ends all strife ) Thou art a Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec ; And ( as concerning the day of his Resurrection ) Thou art my Son , this day have I begotten thee , Psal. 110. No more Oaths now to him that stands fast in this Oath or Covenant of God , which is of Truth and Righteousness , Life and Peace . Reas. 3. The Prophets prophesie some such swearing shall be us'd in the times of the New-Testament ; therefore neither Matth. 5. nor Jam. 5. forbid all such swearing as was lawful under the old . Rep. That the Prophets in the places cited by H. D and I. I. intend not such swearing as was under the Law , but the substance it self , i.e. speaking the truth in righteousness , denominated by the name of the shadow , or type of Swearing , is shew'd so abundantly above , that here needs no more . Reas. 4. The Apostle Paul both practised and enjoined such swearing , and exacted Oaths . Rep. How false all that is , is sufficiently declared above against both H. D. and I. I. to which satis-diction I refer the Reader for his satisfaction . Reas. 5. As much need of Oaths now to end it , as ever , because as much strife . Rep. One sin ever begets another ; the men of this world are in strife , hatred , hard-heartedness , and unbelief one towards another ; in fears , jealousies , suspitions of treachery and deceit among themselves , every one measuring others by himself ; and therefore they lack such sinful security from each other , as that of Swearing against Christ's Command . Thus the Creation in the fall from the Light within , which would lead it forth into love , truth and peace , wrestles in the chains of its own darkness , groans heavily under the bondage of its own corruption . But where the Light and Spirit is walk't in , there the lusts of the flesh are not fulfill'd , but the hatred , strife , envy &c. denyed , and the love witnessed , which believes and hopes the best of all things , and thinks no evil of others , because it 's true , honest , innocent , pure & peaceable within it self ; and there 's no lack of Laws to make such swear to be faithful to each other , every one living by that , by which he is before God and men made a Law to himself : But to this Reason more is spoken also in the Book before . Having prov'd ( quoth J. I. ) that all swearing is forbidden , it necessarily follows , that those general Terms [ Swear not at all ] do admit of an exception . Sometimes Universal Prohibitions are taken with Restrictions , as Exod. 20. 10. compared with Matth. 12. 5. and Numb. 28. 9. Matth. 23. 9. 15. 42. 44. Luke 6. 30. Rep. How well I. I. hath prov'd all swearing not forbidden , is seen above ; and the wise in Christ , though never so weak , will judge , when they read the foregoing disproof of all his Reasons . As for general terms , and universal Prohibitions admitting of exceptions and restrictions , I know well enough they do so now and then ; but when they do , those exceptions and restrictions are usually in one place or other of the same Testament , where they are made , either expressed , or at least most manifestly and apparently implyed by him that gave out those general terms or prohibitions ; and so are all or most of those very exceptions from , and restrictions of those generals , which I. I. himself hath instanced in . As for example , the exception of such works as pertain'd to sacrifice , that the Priests prophan'd it by , from , thou shalt do no manner of work on the 7th . or Sabbath-day , is abundantly elsewhere expressed in the Law , where the Priest's services on every Sabbath are appointed them , and the exception of dressing what every one was to eat , was expressed . And the exception of doing good , and of works of mercy in saving the life of man or beast , which was to take place ever against the Typical Sabbath , and all its service ( I will have mercy , and not sacrifice , saith God ) was exprest ( as I. I. also intimates against himself , citing Luk. 14. 5. ) though the Scribes and Pharises , more out of malice to Christ then out of ignorance of those expressions , would not see all those express exceptions that were made against that general Rule and Prohibition , viz. In it thou shalt do no manner of work ; and therefore grumbled at Christs healing on the Sabbath ( as I. I truly notes from Luke 13. 14. ) and forbad the people then to come unto him . And when Christ sayes to his Disciples ( as so ) Call no man Father on Earth ; it 's a Prohibition that universally holds among them ( qua tales ) for the Saints have no Earthly Father , but one is their Father in Heaven , even God the Father of Spirits , who of his own will begat them into the Image of himself , in holiness ; in which capacity no Fathers of their Flesh are by them to be called Fathers : The Rule is general without exception , to him that rightly reads it ; not requiring so much express exception as yet is expressed , if other Texts be consulted , which speak of God only being the one Father of all believers ▪ As for his two Texts that talk of giving to all that ask , and not turning from any that would borrow , which I. I. is loath so generally to understand , as Christ would have him , for fear least he should turn himself ( as he saies ) out of doors , and be reduced to a morsel of bread , and therefore pleads a necessity of a restriction in that case : Seeing he lacks to be restrained here , or else ( in his common Reason ) he thinks he must needs perish ; let him consult but his own confession of it , and hee 'l find enough ( at least to serve his own end and turn , so as to save himself from sinking into a morsel of bread ) of express exception in other Scriptures : For to Christ's saying , From any one that would borrow of thee , turn not thou away ; Do not other Scriptures ( quoth I. I. ) inform us that these general terms must be restrained ? The general terms also wherein H. D. asserts the antiquity and universality of that practice of Swearing , which ( saith he ) was used by and in all persons , places and times , admits also of exception and restriction ; yet that exception and restriction from his general assertion is expresly made by H. D. himselfe , who excepts all the old world , and the persons that liv'd therein for the time of 1600 years together , of whom and which ( after his avouching , in proof of the lawfulness thereof , the antient and universal use of Oaths ) to shew that his general terms do admit of an exception , and are to be taken with restriction , expresses that exception , p. 2. on this wise ( as is shew'd above ) viz. What the old world did in this case ( i. e. of Swearing ) the Scriptures do not speak plainly , and therefore I will pass it by : which is as much as to say , Swearing was ever generally and universally used by all the world and Nations of it ; by all persons , times , and places , excepting onely all such persons , times and places by whom , and in which it was not used , or ( exceptis excipiendis ) excepting all such as are to be excepted , which is all the old world by whole sale ( for ought appears by Scripture to the contrary , quoth H. D. himself ) and except so many persons in the New , as used it not at all ( say I ) which , as appears above , were Christ & his Apostles and Churches , the Sect of the Essaeans , many holy Martyrs in Maries daies and upward , and ( as appears at this day in this Nation , as wel as others ) the many thousands of sincere hearted Saints and Christians of this Age , called Quakers , who consent not with the world , and actions of it , in that or any other vain and evil customs , being chosen and redeemed by Christ's blood from among them . So Christ uttered many Truths in general terms , which must admit of exception , but then those exceptions also are expressed ▪ Christ said Luk. 13. to all the sinners that stood about him in these general terms , ye shall all perish , this was not without an exception of such as should repent ; but then that exception was not without an expression ; viz. Except ye repent : he said oft to all his hearers , Ye cannot enter into the kingdom of God , that was not without exceptions , nor those exceptions without expressions , viz. Except ye be converted , and become as little children , and Matth. 5. Except your righteousness exceed that of the Scribes and Pharises , many of whom yet were blameless , as to that righteousness of the Letter of the Law . Yea in the Verses immediately before this universal prohibition , Swear not at all , Matth. 5. 30 , 31. Christ saies , 'T was said of old , if any will put away his Wife , let him give her a Bill of Divorce : but I say whosoever shall put away his Wife , causeth her to commit Adultery : this general term admits of an exception , but then that exception is thus exprest , viz. Saving for the cause of Fornication ; i. e. Except she play the Harlot . But now as to this general term and universal prohibition , Swear not at all , it cannot be taken with restriction , or as admitting of any exception ; because there is not onely no expression made anywhere ( after it ) of any such exception , but a fuller amplification of it by such particulars , as are more particularly exclusive of all kinds of Oaths , and of all Oaths of any kind , thus , viz. Nor by Heaven , nor Earth , &c. nor any other Oath : And also by the Apostle Iames 5. 12. a reinforcement and reduplication of the said universal prohibition : Whereas if Christ had intended any exception here , he might as easily have exprest it , and would as assuredly , as he did immediately above , in the case of Divorce by , Except in the case of Fornication ; and so have said , Swear not at all , except it be solemne and sacred Oaths , in Courts , when yee are called to swear before a Magistrate upon a Book : But as I said , in stead of expressing any exception , he adds that which more strengthens and clears , beyond all exception , the universality of his prohibition . Thus we see in how mean a manner J. I. hath managed this matter he hath undertaken , of informing those who are tender , conscientious and dis-satisfied in that great Case of Conscience concerning Swearing , and those two difficult Texts ( as he calls them , truly enough in reference to himself , on whom they sit too hard , for him to wind himself from under the condemnation of ) Matth. 5. Iames 5. Which instead of opening , he hath by his silly shuffles , and blind blurres about them ( which yet have a golden gloss in the eyes of such as , rather then imprisonment , chuse to purchase their Liberty by Swearing ) what in him lies , rather shut many men out from seeing into the true mind and meaning of the Spirit in them : So running himself upon both those two Rocks , he pretends to carry people from suffering rack upon , viz. Ignorance and Scandal , which he , in the same ignorance in which he wrote all the rest , likens to Scylla and Caribdis ( whcih are not two Rocks , but the one a Rock , the other a Gulf ) 1 Ignorance in as blindly defending that sin of Swearing , which in the blindness of his mind he had before fell into . 2. Scandal in offending and stumbling the tender Consciences of many an honest man , by his both taking and talking for the same . And howbeit he hopes he hath the price he runs for , and so ( in words ) wishes that God may have the glory ; yet in deed and truth God's Name hath dishonor , and his Truth shame by his dawby doings . And if he have the price he runs for ( as he hath not , if it be no more then the proving of Oaths now lawful , for he fails in that , but yet hath ( for a time at least ) if it be the saving his Estate , as some not ungroundly suspect it is ) yet what will that profit him , had he not onely sav'd his own , but gain'd the whole world to boot by it , seeing thereby he hath lost himself ( unless he yet repent and recant his rashness in so running ) in the sight of God and good men . And now a word or two more with H. D. as to his doings in denying the true mind of Christ , which we defend from Mat. 5. 33 : Iam. 5. 12. From whence when we argue , though 't were lawful in former times to swear , yet it 's unlawful to us now , having received here a countermand from the Lord Jesus Christ . H. D. answers as follows : H. D. Have patience I entreat you , while I take liberty to examine your grounds , and to weigh them in the Ballance of the Sanctuary . Rep. Whoever is out of the Light of God which is in himself , wherein God dwells ( as H. D. yet is , or else he would justifie both it , and the children of it , more then he seems to do in his two last pages , where he Quips at the Quaker and his Light within him , as confuted in the case of Swearing , by the consent and common custom of the Nations in the fall , whose customs the Scripture sayes are vain , Ier. 15. as if wha●… the Nations say and do in their state of alienation from the Light , were more consonant to the Light , then what they say or do , who are come to it , and continue in it . ) He is out of the Sanctuary , & hath none but the uneven Ballance of his own Brain to weigh what 's truth withall ; and condemns the Generation of the Iust , and is himself , by such as abide in the Sanctuary with the Lord , weighed in the Ballance of it , and found too light : And so is H. D. in his driblings about the point in hand . Howbeit we shall have so much patience as to weigh his Exceptions against our Translations of the Texts aforesaid . And first to our Saviours own Prohibition , Swear not at all ; That which I bring in answer to this ( quoth he ) is an exception against the Translation ; the Greek word At all , is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , which signifieth wholly or altogether , rather then at all ; so that in the proper speech it should be read , Swear not wholly , or altogether ; let not your whole communication be interwoven with Oaths . Rep. H. Den peradventure may seem very bold indeed to some ( as he sayes p. 3. about his rare rendition of that other place Gen. 4. 26. ) in taking on him to translate this against the common course and consent of Nations , and their Commentators , so selfishly and singularly , as he do's , to his own turn also ; & though he seems as bold to my self as any , yet is he in what he do's , not very much more bold then welcom to me ; for though I will not allow every one to read it so ( for it 's rather to be read at all , then altogether ) yet I can afford , him without prejudice to the truth we plead , to wrest and scrue it so far as he does bedsies it self ; sith swear not , nor is , nor can be denied to be a Prohibition of Swearing : Let H. D. put his terms wholly or altogether to it ; what then will it appear to be to any ( but such a one as H. D. who does as it were , Jurare in suam ipsius sententiam ) but an injunction totally to forbear it , an universal Prohibition of it , that is , a Prohibition of Swearing , even totally , alias wholly or altogether ? What gets H. D. then by this ? What difference is there here ( if the case be candidly considered by one that is not devoted to cast Clouds in clear Cases over Christian Consciences ) between swear not , and forbear swearing , ( these two Phrases being both Prohibitions of one and the same thing , i. e. of swearing , it is undeniably forbidden in them both ; and though by the unusualness of the promiscuous use of those phrases at all , and altogether , in our English Tongue , it seems at first somewhat harsh , course , odd , uncouth , and well-nigh non sensical to use them indifferently , or one instead of the other in all places ; yet , in reality , being rightly heeded , there is no more difference ( as to their sense and signification , though not their sound ) between at all , or in any wise , and wholly , totally or altogether , then there is between {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} : & {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , yea between {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} & {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , omnino & omnino , the self-same Greek , and the self-same Latine words , vvhich are rightly enough Englished by them all . And though to H. D. whose fancy works so strongly to fetch it about his way ( that he might maintain that swearing now , vvithout vvhich men are not like to be maintained ) says , Swear not wholly , or altogether , seems to vary so much from swear not at all , or in any wise ; making the first exclusive , of some swearing onely , and the last onely exclusive of all swearing ; yet ( hovvever it does in sound ) in sense verily it varyes no more then {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , & {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , nè jurate omnino , & nè jurate omnino ; that one Greek , and that one Latine phrase , vvhich is truly Englisht by them both : And let any man that confesses swear not to be the same in English vvith forbear to swear ( as vvho does not ) put that term at all , vvhich is in universum , totaliter , omnino , after one or t'other , & he shall see it amounts to the same in sense ( though not in sound ) for forbear to swear at all , and swear not at all , are ( as to their signification ) are one and the self-same prohibition , in which swearing at all is forbidden , and in which swearing at all is wholly , totally , altogether , or universally forbidden : So I say , What such difference is there between forbear to swear at all , or leave swearing wholly , totally , universally or altogether , and swear not at all , if men be not minded to muddle their own and others minds with they know not what ? Nevertheless though H. D. get nought by it if we should give it him , yet we will not give it for granted to every one , that the Word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} must be rendered wholly , or altogether , rather then at all ; for it may be , and is at all , as well as so ; and yet at all and altogether ( being both the English to {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} or omnino ) are much at one . But H. D. that he may seem to do something now he is once entred ( though hoc aliquid nihil est , it is no more then nothing to his purpose ) siddles on as follows . That I may shew you ( quoth he ) what warrant I have for this interpretation , co●…sider three places of Scripture where the word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is used ; the first is 1 Cor. 5. 1. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , &c. Fornication is reported commonly among you ; {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} ( quoth he ) is here translated commonly , ordinarily , frequently , and it ▪ can have no other sense ; for if it should be translated here by the word at all , it would be sound without sense : If I may take the liberty then to translate it so in Matth. 5. 33. then it will run thus , Swear not commonly , ordinarily or frequently : And you see I have good Authority ( quoth H. D. ) for what I have done . Rep. Here H. D. by a pretended Authority takes a liberty to himself to translate Matth : 5. 33. such a way as both varies from his own above , & overthrows him also in his cause ten times more then that did ; he translated {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} in Matth. 5. before , wholly or altogether ; and to shew ( as he sayes ) what warrant he hath so to interpret it , he brings another place wherein himself says it 's translated quite another way , viz. Commonly , ordinarily , frequently , and according to that he would have Matth. 5. ru●… thus , Swear not commonly , ordinarily , frequently , which is another thing , as different from altogether or wholly , as it is in sense and signification from at all . What strange twinings and turnings doth the Serpent here use to save his head , by which he rather wounds it himself , the●… saves it , either altogether or at all : For swear not wholly , altogether , totally or universally , is one thing ; Swear not commonly , ordinarily , frequently , is another : Men may swear commonly , frequently , ordinarily ( as 't is common , frequent and ordinary for men now to swear before Magistrates ) who do not swear universally , totally , wholly or altogether , or in all manner of conversation : There 's a difference between saepe and semper , often , and alwayes ; men may swear ordinarily , or often , who do not swear in all cases , nor at all times . Let H. D. then have it this way by the Authority pretended , viz. of its being so rend●…ed 1 Cor. 5. 1. ( though I would have him to see it , how the Authority of all Translators rendring a word so or so , is no good Authority at all with him , when he is minded on his own head to vary from it ; Witness Mat. 5. 33. which though all Translators that ever I read , render it , Swear not at all ; yet the Authority of them all is not worth a rush with H. D. yea who sees not how he wrests it from them all , to have it otherwise in his piece of wrangling for some swearing ? ) But I say , let him have it this way , Swear not commonly , ordinarily , frequently ; What follows ? Even this to his own confutation , ( viz ) That at least that swearing before Magistrates that is in our Courts , which H. D. sayes p. 7. it is the aim of our Saviour not to forbid , and which he and I. I : ( without any colour of Scripture ) so eagerly contend for , is forbidden as vvell as any other sorts of common , frequent , light and trivial swearing ; for swearing is a thing us'd there as commonly , as ordinarily , as frequently as any thing else , or as it self is in any other places ; yet for this sense H. D. contends on from his second place , viz. 1 Cor. 6 : 7. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} : If this should be read ( quoth he ) there is at all a fault in you , what sense is in these words : But if I read them thus , There is vvholly , altogether , commonly , frequently , ordinarily a fault in you ; the sense will be good . Rep. It s to be noted , that the Corinthians in going to Law one with another for their own , thought they did very well , & that there was no fault at all , in so doing , in them : Now his business being to convince them to the contrary , there is as good sense in answering their false Opinion by praeocupation in these words , there is at all a fault in you ( i. e. though you think ther 's none at all , yet there is ) as in the other by which it 's rendered , ther 's utterly or altogether a fault in you . H. D's third place is 1 Cor. 15. 20. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , if the dead rise not at all ; this he confesses is according to the English trunslation good sense ; yet he appeals to all ( among whom I am one ) whether it be not better and nearer to the scope of the place if we read it thus , If the dead rise not wholly , fully , or compleatly . Rep. I answer , Not better for this one reason ( which I urge as an Argument ad hominem onely , cogent enough to H. D. sith 't is his own , else there 's little in it ) viz. Because we have the good Authority of the Translators on our side , so rendring as it is , viz. If the dead rise not at all , 2. Not better , nor yet nearer , but much further off from the the scope of the place , if we read it thus , If the dead rise not wholly , fully , compleatly ; then if thus , If the dead rise not at all , & that for this reason , viz. Because the Apostles business all along in that part of the Chap. where this clause is , and downward to 35. ver. where he first begins to speak of the manner of the resurrection , insists wholly upon the proof of the matter of it , viz. That the dead do rise , against them who deny they shall rise at all ; and not how they shall rise , viz. Whether wholly , fully or compleatly , or not , till he comes past this verse to the 35. Witness ver : 12. 13. How say some that there is no resurrection of the dead ? Now if there be no resurrection , ( i.e. none at all ) then we are false witnesses in testifying that God raised Christ , whom ●…he raised not up , if the dead rise not ( i.e. not at all . ) Ver. 15. And if the dead rise not , v. 16. ( i.e. not at all ) then they that are fallen asleep in Christ , are perisht ; ( if they be not made alive again , and rise not ; not , if they be not fully , wholly alive , for that would suppose as if he vvere pleading against a sort of men that deemed men at the resurrection must be raised by the halves , or left half alive and half dead , vvhich vvere absur'd ) but ( quoth he ) all shall be made alive , v. 22. And then v. 29. Si omnino mortui non resurgunt , If the dead rise not at all , {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , if they be not made alive at all , but perish wholly or altogether ; why then are we baptized ? and v. 32. why do I fight with Beasts , or beastial spirited men ? What advantage is this tō me if the dead rise not ( i.e. at all ) Besides , let H. D. tell me what sense is in this , viz. If the dead rise not commonly , ordinarily , if they rise not freqently , but seldom , or sometimes only , then our Faith is vain , &c. viz. as much as is in this : The Law says , Forswear not your selves ; but I say , swear but seldom . But if we read thus , If the dead rise not at all ; the word at all bears good sense there , as he yeilds himself ; and say I , as good as , swear not at all ▪ And lastly , further to inculcate on him the sense of at all , as very proper to {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} in the New-Testament , where he saies he finds it but three times ; I shall shew H. D. one place where the word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} ( which no Schollar will deny to be altogether the same with {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , both which ( I confess ) signifie as universally as may be , per totum , in universum , &c. ) is rendred [ at all ] where , if it should be rendred his way by [ ordinarily , frequently , commonly ] the absurdity that would follow , would be intolerable , viz. Acts 4. 18. where the ▪ chief Priests commanded the Apostles to preach no more at all in the Name of Iesus , {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , ●…e omnino praedicarent ; where if it should be rendred as H. D. would have the Word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , which in sense is the self-same : thus ; viz. That they should not preach ordinarily , commonly , frequently , it would intimate that the Priests charge to the Apostles not to preach at all , was not an universal Prohibition of their preaching ( as it was ) but rather a toleration given them to preach sometimes , as they say ( in effect ; Christs prohibition of them is , Matth. 5. concerning swearing : For to say , Preach not , Swear not commonly , ordinarily , frequently , gives as much dispensation to preach and swear sometimes , now and then a Sermon , now and then an Oath ( which would be a plea for some moderate vain Swearers , that rap out an Oath by God but seldom , or now and then ) as it gives prohibition to men to swear so often , so frequently , so ordinarily , so commonly as they do in Courts . Yet hath H. D. one fetch more in justification of his singular Translation of Matt. 5. 33. against the Qua. and all men , and in proof that it should not be swear not at all , but swear not ordinarily , commonly ; the Hebrew Text ( quoth he ) in which Tongue it 's generally judg'd Matthews Gospel was written , reads it thus , Be col derek , which is Englished , in every way . Rep. I have seen and can shew one Hebrew Text which reads it Be col da●…ar , which ( if it may not be English't in any wise ( as I know not why it may not ) yet may be , in any word , or in any thing●… though at the rate at which H. D. reads his Be col derek , in every way , I know he will read it in every thing : But had he well heeded the manner of the Hebrews speaking , he would have found Be col derek to be as truly translated in any way , as in every way , and so have seen we are at least upon even ground with him as to that ; for there 's an Hebraism in the words , and Col is as well used in the Scripture to express any , as every , and signifies not onely all , but also ( as the Hebrews often speak by it ) any at all ; and if H. D. look into the self-same place which his Brother Ives urges in another case ( and truly enough to a false end ; but falsly , if it be not to be rendered there as I have said ) he will find Col so used , viz. Exod. 20. 10. where in one verse it 's rendered All ; in the next , any at all ; six dayes thou shalt labour and do {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} all thy work , but the seventh day is the Sabbath , &c. in it thou shalt not do {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} any work , or as it is rendered , Thou shalt do no manner of work , &c. So that I have as much right to read Be col derek , Be col dabar , nullo modo , ne nullo pacto , ( as Munster hath it ) Swear not at all , not in any wise , not in any way , or in any word or thing , as H. D. hath to read it , Swear not in every way , or every word or thing . But besides , considering the reasons in this Book above alledg'd , and the circumstances intimated from the Context , or foregoing and following passages , I appeal to all men that have not sworn away their common sense and reason , whether there be not ten , yea an hundred times more reason to render it as it hath been hitherto , till H. D. entered his dissent , and found out this ●…rotchet whereby to cross the current of all Translators about it , thus ; viz. Swear not at all ; then thus , Swear not wholly , commonly , ordinarily , frequently , as H. D. o're and o're vainly reiterates it ought to be . Now some few words in answer to H. D's and I. I's exceptions against our reading and sense of Iam. 5. 12. and then I come to a Conclusion with them , or rather to conclude against them both , as they two in their several senses on that one place conclude one against the other . To your second ground ( quoth H. D , ) out of Iam. 5. Above all things swear not : I do appeal to the judgment of any rational man whether skilful or unskilful in Languages , whether this have the sound of a true interpretation , Above all things it is worse to swear then to commit Adultery , then to kill the King who is our Political Father , to kill Father or Mother ? I know you will not say it . Rep. Dost thou know we will not say it ? Why then dost thou so vainly ask whether this be a true Interpretation , which thou knowest not that any body makes ? What vanity is this to frame an Interpretation which thy self confessest is no but thine own , viz. That its worse to swear then to commit Adultery , to kill the King , to kill Father or Mother , and then to appeal to all men whether it be true or no ? Risum teneatis ? This is as ridiculous a piece of business , as if one , having rashly undertaken to disprove a man to be truly a man , should set forth a Bull to publike view , and then appeal to all men skilful or unskilful , to judge whether that have the shew or shape of one that is truly a man , yea or nay ? Who sayes its worse to swear then to commit adultery , to kill the King , to kill Father or Mother ? We who are call'd Quakers do not say so ; and I know none does ; and ( to the clearing of all from so saying to whom he writes ) I know ( quoth H.D. himself ) you will not say it . But ( quoth H. D. as objecting on behalf of his Opponents ) how then doth the Text say , Above all things swear not ? If you ask , how I will read it , I answer ( quoth he ) the Greek is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , which signifies , Before all things , not Above all things : my warrant for this is ( quoth he ) not onely the Vulgar , Erasmus , Beza in the Latine Translations , who do all agree to translate it , ante omnia , but also the comparison of other places where the same phrase , is used , as Rom. 16. 7. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , Col. 1. 17. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which is well translated , He is before all things : many more of the like nature may be alledged ( quoth he ) but these shall suffice . Rep. 1. Many more of the like nature might have been alledged ( I confess ) which had they been alledged by H. D. would too plainly have discovered the untemperedness of that morter wherewith he dawbs , whereupon , these seeming best to serve his untoward turn , he was rather willing that those only should suffice . 2. Had H. D. asserted onely , that {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} signifies Ante omnia , Before all things , I should not contradict him in that , though our concession of that reading adds so little to that simple sense whereinto he would wrest that phrase ( ante omnia , before all things ) by interpretation , that to shew how little either we lose , or he gets by our granting him his Translation , I have so rendered it in my Title-page , viz. Before all things my Brethren swear not : But sith H. D. asserts that {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} doth not signifie Above all things , herein ( if he mean neither formally nor vertually ) I shal ( whether himself wil see it , yea , or nay ) shew him his error in the sight of all men : For ante omnia , or before all things , ( and so H.D. will see if those ▪ Logicals ( called modi prioris & posterioris ) i.e. the several manners of first and last , before and after , be not worn utterly out of his memory ) signifies before in worth , as well as time , and is as truly and properly used in one of these senses , as in the other ; and when that praeposition {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , which is ante , is ( as it ought to be in Iames 5. 12. ) taken for before in worth , as well as time , it is as rightly rendred by above , as by before ; and as {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , which is Englisht First , sounds out a priority , antecedency , or preheminency in place or dignity , as truly as in time or season ; so {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} a superiority in power , place or worth , and not a priority in time and season only ; and so is as ordinarily and truly Englisht above , or over all things , as before them : In proof of which sith H. D. ( whether for fear or forgetfulness ) was loath to alledge any places that make against him ; I shall alledge one ( besides this of Iam. 5. ) where the same phrase {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , which he says does not signifie above all things , is Englisht truly in the self-same way , i.e. above , and not before , which shews that if it were rendred before all things , ( as I deny not but it may be ) yet it there signifies before in Excellency onely , and not in time , 1 Pet. 4 8. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , above all things have fervent love among your selves ; I could afford to grant H. D. if he will , to read it here before all things have love ; but if he do , he must grant me that ante omnia , before all , sounds out no other then super omnia , above all things ; for love is the last thing attain'd to perfectly ( as to Time ) and yet in worth is above , or before all knowledge , prophesie , tongues , and other spiritual gifts , as being indeed the more excellent way then any beside it : So above , or before all things have love , is as much as to say , with all your gettings , chiefly see to get it ; so above or before all things swear not , is as much as to say , Chiefly take heed to this thing , that ye swear not : In which sayings , I say above or before , because these two sound forth the same thing in sense , and are promiscuously and indifferently used by us , as it happens , the one being in such cases altogether the same in signification , as the other . And howbeit H. D. makes such ado about his ante omnia , as if he gaind some great ground against us by reading it before all things ; yet as we can without loss allow him to read it before all ; so I. I. who writes after H. D. sees so little in H. D.s quibble in that particular , that he leaves H. D. his own fellow-falsifier of the Truth , and therein falls in with us against him , and reads and renders it as we do , Above all things my brethren swear not : Onely so unhappily blind he is , as to say , that such passionate Oaths are forbidden in Ia. 5. 12. as that of David was , when he sware and vowed not to suffer his eyes to sleep , nor his eye-lids to slumber , till he found out a place for the Lord , an habitation for the God of Iacob ; in which case David sware most innocently and solemnly , not passionately ( as he spake in the case of Nabal , 1 Sam. 25. 21. 34. ) if ever he sware an innocent Oath in all his days , and accordingly performed what he sware and vowed ; for though Solomon built the House , as I. I. intimates , yet David in his affliction going up to the Floor of Araunah , there found out , and appointed the place for the House to be built in and gave the pattern of it , and prepared the Materials for the building , 1 Chron. 21. 18. 19. 20. 22. 1. 2. &c. 2 Chron. 28. 10. 11. and the Lord took it well at his hand , that it was in his heart to build it , 2 Chron. 6. 8. But the scruple that seems to hang behind in H. D. s mind still , and the gnat he seems to strein at , while he swallows Camels , is this ; Why should the Apostle say , Above all things swear not ? Is that a sin worse then Adultery , Murther , and all other sins . Rep. We do not say it is ; but if it be not , are there not more wayes out of the wood , as well as into it , then one ? If that be not the reason why he sayes , Above all things swear not , because swearing is a sin above all sins , can no other reason then barely that be rendered for it ? I et I. Ives resolve H. Den in that difficulty , if it be too hard for him to resolve himself in it : For I. I. ( but that he reaches too short in his rendering of it , while he mentions passionate Oaths onely , when he should have mention'd solemne Oaths also ) renders a right reason of it so far as it reaches , and it 's this , the usualness and commonness of that sin of swearing ; he saies , Above all things my Brethren swear not , for it was very usual with them ( quoth I. I. ) to make passionate Oaths ; and so say I , and not onely ( in former times ) passionate , exorbitant , and prophane , but other serious Oaths also , in which ( they being Iews , who were not yet so fully inform'd of the ending of the Law in Christ , under which among them some Oaths were lawful ) they were apt to think they did as wel in swearing so now , as they did before , So though adultery and murder may be as bad and worse then swearing , yet the Law being so express against them , which yet in its time allowed some kind of swearing , it was more hard to bring them off from some ceremonious services of the Law , that were once lawful , then from such sins as were known and hated by them ; and held accursed by the very Letter of the Law ; and so he saies , Above all things take heed of Swearing , that they might know that now to be unlawful , which in former times was accounted as lawful for them : So it 's ordinary to say to men Above all things take heed of that to which they have been long accustomed , and with which , through heedlesness of the unlawfulness of the thing , they are apt most easily to be overtaken . One thing more , which is not a little considerable to evince the now lawfulness of any Swearing is this , viz. That by the Eternal Wisdom of God ( in that Book of Ecclesiastes , or the Preacher , wherein not the Legal , but the Evangelical duties and righteousness , and the sins and unrighteousness opposite thereto are written of , and the spiritualities and moralities of the Everlasting Gospel , and not the ceremonialities of the Law pointed out ) whereas To fear an Oath is made the Character of the wise , good , clean and righteous man that sacrificeth acceptably to God , To swear ( at all ) is made the Character of the wicked , the unclean , the sinner that ( so ) sacrificeth not , Eccles. 9. 1 , 2. the bare reading of which is enough to win a wise man from the sin of Swearing ; for howbeit men shall once return and discern the happiness of him that serves God , from his wo who serves him not , yet here one event is to the righteous and the wicked , to the good and to the clean and to the unclean , to him that sacrificeth , and to him that sacrificeth not : as is the good , so is the sinner ; as he that sweareth , ( mark , not he that sweareth exorbitantly onely , or forsweareth ) so he that feareth an Oath . Much more might be said to these mens shuffles ; but a little strength may serve wherewith to overturn a little strength ; and as it's superfluity to insist too long in disproving such palpable pedling , and discovering such open subtilty , as shews it self in their two pieces ; so it s but meer vanity to use a Beetle and Wedges to kil a flye . I shall therefore conclude much what i●…●…en . Dens words , as I began : All these things considered , the ground for solemn swearing before Magistrates in Courts and Consistories , appears not to be so sure as it was fancyed ; if ( as the Quaker sayes it for biddeth him , the Baptist sayes th●… Light within him biddeth him to swear , the consent of that holy Nation ( the Quakers ( so called ) even those thousands among them that truly tremble at Gods Word , hated and cast out by their Brethren , the English nominal Christians of all forms and professions , chosen out of all the Nations , that consent to consult against them ) confuteth him ; if he or others plead the Scriptures , you see how weak it is which they say ; therefore let such as chuse to swear , rather then to suffer in this case , beware , lest they hear , Who hath required these things of you ? Christ indeed forbids those exorbitant and extravagant Oaths whereof the streets are now full ; but he forbids also that ceremonious , customary , superfluous , superstitious , vain , needless , extravagant , Anti-Evangelical , Antichristian , ordinary , frequent , forcibly imposed , common swearing , of which all Courts are full ; A sad presage of some Iudgement at hand , that Prisons , Streets , Princes and great mens Courts , and Places , Universities , Colledges , and almost all houses , at least all Alehouses are full of Oaths , and mens discourses interlin'd and interwoven with worse then So help me GOD ; even with GOD CONFOUND , GOD DAMN ME , and such like ; and their Conversations converted from the Truth , so totally into perjury and for swearing : It was hoped by some , that ( as H. D. speaks ) his Majesties Proclamation would have restrained ; and 't were to be wished ( say I ) that the Kings said Proclamation might yet be used to restrain such debauchery and deceit ; but alas , it is nothing so ; for ( as H. D. sayes ) such men reverence his Majesty no more then the Wolf in the fable did St. Anthony : So many Magistrates ( not to say many to one , that is otherwise ) reverence the King ( say I ) so little , as to take as little care to execute his good Laws and Statutes against such exorbitant Oaths , as the most exorbitant swearers do in their common commerce to 〈◊〉 them ; yea , as little , as the Iustices themselves take much care ( even much more then they will have thank for at last from either God or the King , or good men ) too hastily and strictly to execute those Laws and Statutes , that are of old extant for those forced Oaths , or those ordinary , frequent and common swearings , which are imposed by them in their Courts and Sessions : And indeed , how can it be expected that such as ●…ear not Gods Majesty ( as few of the subordinate Powers , Priests , and Priest-beguil'd People do ) should regard [ as H. D. speaks ] the Kings Majesty , who is but as the drop of rain in comparison of him ; or regard the Kings Laws and Proclamations against swearing , whose Prohibitions of it are but subordinate to Gods own , which they regard not : Besides , they are so totally taken up now-adayes with over-executing those entangling Laws , and ( as they dream and deem them ) most profitable Proclamations , that ( under pain of forfeiture of Estates ) are extant for Oaths , and for swearing , that there 's no leisure left to look after those most truly profitable and wholesome Laws and Proclamations of both God and the King , which cry out against both Oaths and Forswearing ; though in this case if they acted all as legally , honestly and earnestly , in order to the encreasing of the Poors poor-●…x in every Parish , as many do illegally , dishonestly and 〈◊〉 to●…ards the decrease of that little which the righteous 〈◊〉 with which more good is every way done , then with th●… 〈◊〉 ●…venues of many wicked , who ( while poor men pe●…h ) expend many thousands on vainshews and kick-shaws , there might accrue ten times more money to the maintenance of the poor , were that lowest penalty of 12. d. an Oath , according to the Law , exacted from every prophane Swearer , then will ever accrue to the enriching of the Kings Coffers , by punishing the poor Quakers for keeping Christs Command , so as not to swear at all , with the loss and forfeiture to the King ( to whom the least part of it commonly comes also ) of no less then All they have . But what times do we behold ! Nothing but extreams of evil are presented to our eyes and ears ; Some do little but swear ordinarily , frequently , commonly , in all kind of communication and conversation , not onely in their usual entercourses in Courts with Iudges and Magistrates , but in their hourly Discourses also , with other men , contrary to the Laws of both Christ and the King , and such are most mad in prosecuting the Laws of the King for swearing , on others who will not swear at all , contrarily to the Laws of Christ the King of Kings . Some fill their mouths with direful execrations upon every trifle , though therewants no good Laws against either Drunkenness , Cursing , Swearing ; or other prophaness ( as the late Irish Proclamation given out at the Court at Dublin , very well and wisely observes ) but onely this one , That all those good ones that are made to curb these exorbitances , might ( as carefully and speedily as the more unwholsome ones are ) be put in execution . Others flye with fierceness upon such as for Conscience of an Oath onely will not yeeld to sweare when w●…ighty Causes are before them , wherein they could declare enough , and with cruel threatnings vehemently urge them . Who shall heal these distempers ? Surely none can do it without the mighty Power of God break sorth in all your Consciences ( O thou much pityed King and thy Council , thy Iudges , Iustices , chief Captains , Sheriffs , and all other Ministerial Officers under Thee ) to convince You and all People not onely of the unlawfulness of all , but of the utter unnecessariness of any swearing , sith as it 's evident , that a true Christians word was wont to be taken for a true Testimony without an Oath , in that Testament which we are under , 2 Cor. 13. 1. So it 's no less evident , that his witness of his own peaceableness towards the King and all men , who walks in truth , and ( to preserve his peace with Christ ) makes Conscience of an Oath , is more worthy acceptation ( seeing such a one wil not lye , and can do nothing against the truth , but for the truth , 2 Cor. 3. 9. ) then that of those unpeaceaceable and deceitful spirits who walk not in truth , who making no Conscience of either Swearing or Forswearing , will ( to preserve themselves meerly from a present suffering ) swear future faithfulness to that , to which upon occasion they would prove unfaithful . Of the first of these , most Magistrates in their Consciences do ( without their Oath ) believe verily they are Gods people , and Children that will not lye , and that God also is their Saviour . As for the second , few that are concerned to take security from them ( for all their Swearing ) either will , do , or can trust them one jot further then they see them . The † Ppthagoreans forbad Oaths , so did the Essaeans * , because they thought him A noted Lyar who could not be believed without an Oath . The Lord open the eyes of all men ; to whose Grace I commend this Work , and resolve to remain , as wel Your Friend , ( H. Den and I. Ives ) against whom I write , as Your Friend , ( O People of all sorts ) to whom I write , S. Fisher . POSTSTSCRIPT . HEre followeth so much of a Letter of Jeremiah ives , as is sufficient to shew him his deep Degeneration in Spiritual Matters ; Dated about five dayes before he himself took the Oath , while he ( in that Case ) stood in his Integrity , and was imprison'd himself for not taking it ; and directed to two of his Brethren : In which he declares what great Scandal they brought upon the Truth , and Offence to him , and his then fellow-Sufferers for it , by their Swerving for fear of men , from the fear of the Great God , so as to obey their Precepts for it , rather then Gods own plain Precept against Swearing . Brother Pitman and Brother Shewell . I Am at this time surprized with a holy passion ; and though Ionah could not say concerning the Gourd , that he did wel to be angry ; yet ( if my experience in the Word of the Lord doth not deceive ) I can truly say , I do wel to be angry with you ; who I have had a godly jealousie of all along ; viz. That you would be as easily perswaded to part with , — as unwilling to suffer for , your Spiritual Liberties : Oh my Brethren ! where is your first love ? How unlike the Christians in former times are you ? whose zeal was so hot for God , that their eyes prevented the morning , that thereby they might prevent the rage of the adversary , who ( as it is now ) Commanded them no more to worship in the Name of the Lord . — I always did conclude , that those that would — quit the Cause of Righteousness — would quit the Ways of Holiness , as yesterday sad experience hath taught , to the perpetual joy of your adversaries , and the sadning the hearts , and adding afflictions to the bonds of the Prisoners of the Lord : I do therefore conjure you , as you wil answer the great God another day , to consider , That now is the time for you to look to your Ministry , and to the Flock over which the Lord hath made you overseers , that you may be able through grace to say , You are clear from the blood of all men ; and observe , that God is now come to prove you , to see whether you wil keep his commandements or not . Remember when that Apostates Case was debated , you had no zeal nor indignation against him , but you smothered all with this , If it were in a matter of Faith and Worship that he had fallen from , you would have been as one man against it : Wel , behold the Lord is come home to you ; the matter now is purely for worshipping God ; now God is proving to see if you wil obey him or no , and did not yesterdays work witness , that you were willing to prefer the fear of a man that must dye , before the fear of the great God ; and the fear of them that can kill the body , before the fear of the Lord that can cast body and soul into Hell ? I have no more to say but this , That your Cowardly Temporizing and complying with the precepts of Men , makes me jealous , that your fear towards the Lord is taught by the precepts of Men : I would not be too censorious , but my Grounds are great , and my Bonds are my Crown , but your , Cowardly spirit is my great Cross : you little think what a scandal it is amongst us to hear it affirmed , that one of you should say , You had rather a given fifty pound then haue sworn , and yet swear that you swear willingly . Oh for the Lords sake do somewhat that may roul away this Reproach ; which that you may , is the praiers of your Brother , who could be contented to write himself , your Companion in Tribulation , Ier. Ives . Ian. 14. 1660. Brother Ward my Fellow-prisoner desires to present his love to you , and so do some others . Which Letter above printed , is here represented , as a Looking-Glass for J. Ives to see himself in : not so much to shame him , as ( if yet it may be ) by the sight thereof ( which being his own , may yossibly have more force upon him then another mans ) to recover him again to that true Honor of taking the shame of his fall to himself , and also of suffering shame with the Saints for the Name of Christ , which he once stood in , and since very easily fell from ; and that he may remember from whence he is fallen , and repent , and do his first works ( for his last have not been found perfect before God ) and do somewhat that may roul away that reproach he hath rais'd against that Righteous Cause now suffer'd for by the Saints , lest the Light be at last totally taken from him ; For as Humanum est errare , so Humanius nihil est quam errantem revocare : Or at least , ( if J. I. be too far gone , and past recovery ) then to recover the Honor of that Truth which , to the utmost that in him is , he hath dishonored by his shameful shuffles ; that is to say , 1. By his shuffling departure from it in his sinful passion of slavish fear of man , so soon after his holy passion ( as he calls it ) of Anger against his Brethrens lesse shameful ( because less sinful ) departure ; for J. I.'s suffering for it first , as ( its likely ) they two did not , declares his Conscience was convinced that he should not swear . 2dly . By his shuffling so much to defend and vindicate that same Evil of Swearing , when it became his own , which he had but a little before so egregiously condemned , wh●…le it was found not in himselfe ; but in his Brethren ; and this in order meerly to the palliating of his meer painted Piety in that his paultry departure : For he that builds again those legal things which once himself destroied , therein makes himself no smal transgressor , Gal : 2. 18. 3dly . By his shuffling so much ( though with as little success among such whose eyes are in their head ) being once departed from the Truth himself , to draw all others after him into the Ditch . Had he onely ( when he saw no other way to escape suffering ) contented himself rather to swear to his own inward loss , then to suffer loss outwardly for refusing it , his recovery might likely have been more hopeful , and his Relapse less hurtful in all likelyhood then now it is : But seeing he sets himself so zealously to solicite others to sin by swearing together with him , the danger of its infecting others who are set to see with his eyes , as well as the desperateness of his Disease , in respect of himself , calls for a more desperate Cure , and searching Corrosive , then need else be used : And if by all that is , in no less then true love to his soul , though never so sharply , tryed towards him ; his wound appears to be uncurable , then Ense recidendum est , ne pars s●…cera trahatur . THE END . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A39572e-560 * A Copy of a Letter from one that professeth the Truth , but fell from it , and took the Oath . MY dear Friends , I desire to lay before you this my condition in this my fall : that my fall may be no cause for you 〈◊〉 stumble , but that you by it may be the more ●… ▪ ouraged to stand ; for I have yeilded to the ●…etrayer , and so betrayed the innocent Seed in ●…ne ; ●…or I forsook the counsel of the Lord , and ●…onsulted with flesh and blood , and so I fell in●…o the snare of the world , and yeelded to ●…he ●…ovenant ; and so I rested satisfied in what I ●…ad done , for some certain hours ; but when ●…he Lord in his Power looked back upon me , ●…hen I remembred what I had done ; then I remembred that I had denyed Truth , which once I had professed , though once I thought I should have stood when others fell . So the terrors of ●…he Lord have taken hold on me , and I lye under the judgements of the Lord . And now I feel the truth of ●…he words that were spoke by Ch●…ist , Tha●… h●… that faileth in one tittle , is guilty of all ; and now I feel th●… truth of that , That it is better to forsake wife , and children , and all a man bath , even life it self , for Christ and the Truths sake , then to break one tittle of the Law of God written in the heart . So I hope tha●… by mercy and judgement the Lord will redeem me to himself again . The Lord may suffer some to fall , that the standing of them that stand faithful , may seem to be the more glorious , a●…d for them to take heed least they fall . Now I know and feel , tha●… it is better to part with anything of this world , though it be as dear to one as ●…he right hand , or the 〈◊〉 , ●…hen to break our peace with God . Pray for me , for my Bonds are greater than yours . Windsor the 22. of the 11th . Month. 1660. Edw. Chilton . * So called , of {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , for a season onely . So H.D. himself seems also to call it , p. 3. quoting , Gen. 14. 22. I have lifted up my hand , &c. i. e. I have sworn to the most high God ; because the Ceremony of lifting up the hand was used in Swearing . * It seems the Baptists in these dayes , many of whom do swear for fear against th●…●…nsciences , to their terror afterward , as I could , instance in some at Nor ▪ thampton , and elsewhere ) and many of whom plead in print for swearing , are now degenerated from that integrity , which the Baptists of old ( coli'd then ▪ as now , by the name of Anabaptists ) did keep to at the first in that point of swearing : And as for such ( for there are a few , and but a few of those ) that are counted to the Quakers , ( whose fall I mention , that I may not seem partial , as one justifying them more then the Baptists , in their denyal of the truth ) who have taken the Oath , they fall into the same condemnation with them ; witness not only the ●…etter above printed , but also this Relation that came concerning two or three more lately from Ilchester , and is here underprinted in way of warning to such ●…s stand , that they may take heed l●…t they fall . Ilchester 5th . d. of the 1. m. ONe R. Moon at Perin in Cornwall , formerly own'd a friend , took the Oath through slavish fear ; but afterward had no peace till he went to a Iustice , and denyed what he had done ; and now he hath some peace in Lanceston Prison , in denying what he hath done in disobedience to Christs Command ; and the last week two on the same account were sent to this Prison . So that all people may see the eminent hand of the Lord in it ; for we know none else in all these parts that denie the truth , and the Lord hath found them out , and executed judgement speedily upon them . T. S. † Laert. in vita Pythagorae . * Philo Iudaeus .