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Lancelot Andrews ... ; translated for the benefit of the public. Theologica determinatio de decimis. English Andrewes, Lancelot, 1555-1626. 27 p. Printed for Andrew Hebb ..., London : 1647. Translation of: Theologica determinatio de decimis. Reproduction of original in Bodleian Library. eng Tithes -- England. A25401 R19352 (Wing A3144). civilwar no Of the right of tithes. A divinity determination in the publike divinity schools of the University of Cambridg· By the Right Reverend Father Andrewes, Lancelot 1647 9651 76 25 0 0 0 0 105 F The rate of 105 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the F category of texts with 100 or more defects per 10,000 words. 2000-00 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2001-12 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2002-01 TCP Staff (Michigan) Sampled and proofread 2002-01 TCP Staff (Michigan) Text and markup reviewed and edited 2002-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion Of the Right of TITHES . A Divinity Determination in the Publike Divinity Schools of the University OF CAMBRIDG . By the Right Reverend Father in GOD Lancelot Andrews : Late Lord Bishop of WINCHESTER . When he proceeded Doctor in Divinity . Translated for the benefit of the Publike . 1 COR. 9. 13. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things , live of the things of the Temple ? And they which wait at the Altar , are partakers with the Altar ? Vers. 14. Even so hath the Lord ordained , that they which Preach the Gospel , should live of the Gospel . London , Printed for Andrew Hebb , at the Bell in S. Pauls Church-yard . 1647. TITHES Ought not to be abrogated . THat such anciently were the manners of men , and such the times , wherein the condition of the Priesthood was sumptuous , and most flourishing , not onely with those truly excellent Ornaments of Learning , but also with those of Riches and Preferments , History the witness of Truth is a sufficient evidence : Among the Heathen , Theophr●stus is my Author , That in stead of the Tithe ( wherin notwithstanding we take our selves to be very bountiful ) the thirds were paid . Among the Iews , Philo reporteth , That the wealth of the C●rban was oftimes the object of envy to the neighboring Kings . Among the Christians , as in other Nations , so truly in this our , it is certain , That the desire to increase the Revenue of the Clergy proceeded to such a height , that it was greatly to be feared , lest the Church should swallow up the Common-wealth : That therefore it was seasonably taken into consideration then , ( and so is now , when there is little need of caution ) that no Lands should be bequeathed in Mortmane , i. e. to sacred uses , without the Royal Patent . Such anciently were the manners of men , and such the times . While mens manners , and the times were such , a disputation touching the right of Tithes was nor doubtful , nor necessary . But at length in this our age , when , as commonly old men so , the world growing old , is wholly set upon money , there is a general chiragra , an epidemical Gout in the hand . There are no improvements to the Clergy , would that were all : there are frequent impairings . I say , frequent impairings ; and I wish it might onely be said , there are ; and that there might never be cause of using the future tense . But to this humor of the present age , ( wherein , what for that unholy hunger after gold , there is nothing esteemed Holy ) we may adde another Error , That those Worthies , not to be named without all honorable respect , whose help God made use of for the Reformation of Religion , were very solicitous for the Reformation of Doctrine , but less attended the Churches Patrimony ; and almost said what the King of Sodom did to Abraham , Give us the souls , and take the rest to you . But as they , who thought they should finde the Baptist in Kings Courts ; so they , who thought they should finde Abraham there , were both deceived . Which Error , though a small one , ( and a small one indeed it is , if we compare it with those great and famous acts performed by them ) yet , we may justly fear , will lie heavy upon succeeding Ages ; an which true-hearted honest men ( from that of Solomon , Where no oxen are , the crib is clean ) presage Barbarism , or somewhat worse , which I will not speak of ; falsly perchance , and I pray God it prove so . but not rashly , I am sure , not without cause . And indeed they ought to have withstood the beginings ( as we say ) and have snatched this sweet bit from this eating and drinking Age , which perverts all to most detestable use ; and have taken care not onely of increasing the light , but also of allowing oil . Which because not done , this evil spreds daily more and more , and the devourers of Church-Revenues whisper up and down in corners , as most an end the maner is , that the Church may be impleaded and sued for the remainder of Tithes ; and thereupon finde out new quirks to put Her in a worse condition ; then , talk of a stipend : Finally , so turn themselves on all sides , that the Clergy may at last say it to their sorrow , Their sowing or their mowing is nothing to us . To pass by other things , as lost and gone by prescription , I shall make bold to plead for Tithes and shall thereupon challenge them , who are otherwise minded , and prove that the Tithes , of the yeerly comings in , are by the highest equity due to the Clergy ; and that no Parliaments , no Lords or Commons can settle that affair more wisely , then it was of old provided for by the Sacred Law ; then God , the Lawyer himself . ( so absolute , that Iustinian is no body to Him ) had proclaimed many ages since . I am to treat of a hard point , nor is there any by whose candle I shall light mine : wherefore it will be your part , Reverend Brethren , if I shall compass my designe , to do as you do ; but if I shall fail , or come short of it , to vouchsafe your pardon , as is meet , to me the first that make experiment . Tithes ought not to be abrogated . I Need not explain terms . Who knows not , what the Tithe is , one part of ten ? Or who doubts , what it is to abrogate ? Either , to unsettle , what is settled by Law : or , in stead thereof , to appoint a stipend . Let us therefore set about the businesse . What Christ did in the cause of Div●rc● , I conceive to be of great con●ernment . First of all to inquire , how any matter stood in the begining . In the flux of time many things are changed : The begining is the most certain Rule and Iudg. I demand therefore , who was the first that received T●●he ? That great man Melchisedek , to whom Abraham gave the T●he of all . Melchisedek received Tithe from Abraham ; but were they free , or due ? Voluntary , or by Law ? If free and voluntary , the Argument is of no force , and the Apostle puts a trick upon the Hebrews , when he compares the Levites with him . For the reason is not alike : The Levites require their Titbe by Law , for they have a commandment to take Tithe of the people : Melchisedek his , because Abraham would , not because he ought . Again , if this service were voluntary and free , Melchisedek were no with better then Abraham . For what hindereth but that I may debase my self , and do voluntary honor ( if I please ) even to my inferi●● ? My civility indeed would be the more commended . But if , upon both these considerations , this were absurd , it follows that he paid Tithe not as a voluntier , but as they were due by Law . Concerning the Law then , I demand again ; By what Law ? Not of Sacrifice ; for he offered none : of Blessing then , it 's clear . For there is a coherence betwixt these two ; Melchisedek blessed , and Abraham paid Tithe . Now I assume . Tithes are due to Mel●hisedek blessing . The same right remaineth under Christ . How can that be made to appear ? Out of the 12. verse of the 7. Chapter to the Hebrews . There is no change of the Law , but by the change of the Priesthood . But there is the same Priesthood of Christ , and of Melchisedek ; for which , if need be , God himself will give us his oath . Therefore there is the same right under both . Tithes therefore are due to Christ , in whom , and from whom , and by whom we are all blessed : He himself blessed for ever . Which , it is but equal , that they should receive in the name of Christ , who bless us in the name of Christ . For even Melchisedeks blessing was but from man , though in the person and name of Christ . Therefore the right of Tithes remaineth under Christ . I had not thought there had been any born with so unfortunate a genius , under so unhappy a planet , as to say , that Tithes were paid to Melchisedek as a King . But I have found one that saith so ; see you , how without all reason . 1. The Levites have right to Tithes : They have , as Gods Vicars : 'T is true , they are : But are they Gods Vicars : as God is a King ? O what a multitude of Kings should we have ! 2. Moses saith not that Tithes were paid to him as making a royal banquet , but as blessing ; which not with standing should have been said , if they had been paid to him , under that notion , as symbols of that power . 3. The Apostle , upon that payment of Tithes , grounds not his Kingdom , but his Priesthood . 4. Lastly , there are as many Adversaries to that opinion , as Interpreters : even the R●bbins themselves , whose that gloss is [ because he was a Priest ] therefore Abraham gave him Tithe . You see the force of the Argument : And this you likewise see , that , whatever is brought against it , comes miserably short . I shall pass from Abraham ; and yet not far . My next reason shall be from ●●●ob , who was also the Father of the faithful , from whom we received the sirname of the Israel of God : and of whom , I doubt not , but , what Saint Peter concerning Sara , ( as she obeved ) the like will you conclude . He therefore , vows a vow . If the Lord will be with me , and keep me , and will give me bread to eat , and taiment to put on : Then , of all that he shall give me , I will surely give the Tithe to him . You will grant , I know , that this was no Will-worship ; for then Iacob should have vowed , what the Lord had disavowed . Therefore , doubtless , he relied upon the Divine Will : the command is the interpreter of that will . Moreover , the reason of the command must necessarily be this : On whom the Lord shall bestow such favors , as he did on Iacob , he must be bound to the Lord by the same law : For , unless it were so , the reason of the command would be uncertain ; and so the command ; and so the consequence ; and so , finally , the vow it self . But if this reason be full of reason , and the equity thereof , as is meet , extend it self to all ; is there any man will deny this Law was made for him , who shall confess , both , that he received all from God● and ought to return them to God again ? And this reason may satisfie any private man , why he should pay ; and that assigned by God , why the Clergy should receive Tithe ; Ye ●hall eat it in every place , ye and your housholds , Because it is your reward for your service : As also that of King Hezeki●h , That they might be incourage● in the Law of the Lord . The conclusion in both places is this , Let them receive Tithe : which in both places would be weak , if the major proposition be not universal . Tithe is the reward of service ; Tithe belongs to them who attend the explication of the Law . Otherwise the Patriarch Iacobs If , and the Prophet Moses's Because , and King Hezekiahs That , would all totter . But if they do not , then , doubtless Tithes are the reward of the Priesthood . Let all , that give themselves to the exposition of the Law , receive Tithes . The reason is evident . I adde this further : Since Gods blessing of his goods is the medium that Iacob ; the reward of the Priests service the medium that Moses ; the study of the Law the medium that Hezekiah useth ; and these three are perpetual , nor circumscribed by place , nor defined by time , but belonging as well to Christians , as to ●ews ; there will be the same condition of the precept : For it is truly and wisely determined by the Lawyer , As is the reason of the precept , such is the precept , it self . The third reason is taken from the Prophet M●lachy , where the observation of this Precept is established with a solemn blessing , and the violation with a severe and bitter curse . And indeed if Tithes were ceremonial , as some are very earnest to have them , the Prophets would cast them away ; would never urge them so carefully ; they would suffer them to wax cold ; would never speak of them so highly . This is not their usual maner : but , if the ceremonies were never so carefully looked to , not to promise so great happiness ; nor , if neglected , to threaten so sore judgements . And least any should think this reason to no purpose , the Fathers used no other in the Councel of Tribur . Tithes are to be paid , that God being appeased by this our devotion , may more plenteously bestow those things that are necessary . The Fathers in the Synod of Mentz no other . Tithes are to be paid ; for it is to be feared , that if any take away what is due to God , God will , for his sin , take away necessaries from him . Saint Augustine , a substantial Author , no other . Our forefathers abounded with wealth ( and it is not perfunctorily to be passed by that he saith ( our forefathers ) Tithes therefore are ancienter then Saint Augustines time ) because they paid their Tithes to God : but now because our devotion to God is decreased , the comings in to the Exchequer are 〈◊〉 eased : We would not part with the Tithe to God , therefore now all is taken away . The Exchequer takes away that , which Christ doth , not receive . I pass by Saint Ierome , as too prolix , who yet was the first who prosecuted this Argument in his Annotations on the Prophet . But , because it is an easie matter to finde Tithes under the Law , and the credit of the Old Testament is in this point suspected , go to , let us seek in the New , and set our foot on that ground which seems most slippery to contest on . And first of all I object that place of Saint Matthew , the words of Christ himself : These ought ye to have done , and not to leave the other undone . This place I do not , ( for why should I assume that to my self , which is none of mine ? ) the ancient Church urgeth thus . Tithes , which Christ himself hath commanded not to leave undone , the decrees of Princes ought not give order to leave undone . Now who knows not the assumption ? But this Reason hath the greater strength , because , when , in some places before , the discourse first ; and afterward the practise of washing of hands , of rubing the ears of Corn , and other ceremonies had been faln upon , Christ , not unwarily , omiteth those particulars , defendeth their omission of them , and , which is more to be wondred at , doth himself authorize the people to omit them . But , concerning this of Tithe , his words are express , Ye ought not to leave them undone . Nay , which is of more weight yet , when the discourse was of matters of greatest importance , of mercy and judgement , and that in the same Paragraph ( as I may say ) he makes a law , as for the doing of the one , so , for the non-omission of the other . What seek ye more ? No man can easily imagine , in how great esteem this Argument was with the Primitive Church . I shall give you two of many . One whereof shall speak for the Greek Church , the other for the Latine . Saint Chrysostome , his words are these : Worthily doth our Saviour adde , These things ought ye to do ; for Alms is a Tithe . Now Alms cannot hurt possibly . For we ought not to do them , as observers of the Law ; neither doth he say we ought ; But these things ought yet to do . For when formerly he disputed of clean and unclean , He added not there , these things ought ye to do : but manifestly he overthrew them . Wherefore , Brethren , he speaketh of Tithe , These things ought ye to do ; but concerning their Washings he speaketh not so : The words , as you see , are a little differing , the sense is not differing . Now hear Saint Augustine in his Enchirid : to Laurentius , cap. 76. Wo be to you , Pharisees , who Tithe every Herb : As if he would say : Indeed I exhorted you to give Alms , by which all things would be clean unto you ; But wo to you who Tithe Herbs . For these I knew to be your Alms , think not that I admonished you concerning then . And a little after ( for it would be troublesome to put in all : ) But lest he should seem to refuse those Alms , which are given of the fruits of the earth , These ( saith he ) ye ought to do , that is , Judgement and Charity ; and yet , neverthelesse , not to omit the other , that is , Alms of the fruits of the Earth . I need adde no gloss . I study brevity : and put you in minde of one thing , ( though there be no need , I know , ye observed it ) that Tithes both by S. Chrysostome and S. Augustine are refered to the common-place of Alms. Some are of another opinion : I will not greatly contend ; for I had rather it should be accounted a sacred Tribute , then Alms. But this place is safe enough : And by it they gain thus much , that Tithes ought not to be abrogated . I proceed now to the fifth : And , or I am much deceived , it may be concluded from S. Paul , That Tithes are to be retained even under Christ . In the sixt chapter to the Galathians , verse sixt , Let him that is taught in the Word , communicate to him that teacheth in all good things . Which words seem to me to sound like those in the seventh chapter to the Hebrews , verse the second , He gave the tenth of all , like those , Gen. 14. 20. of all , in all , what difference ? that it may be no light conceipt , that the Apostle doth allude to that of Genesis : and that he doth covertly insinuate that communication , which was used by Abraham , who is to be imitated in all things , as much as may be , by the children of his Faith . But what if so ? That precept , which doth best provide for communication in all good things , is not to be antiquated ; And there is no question to be made , but that was a Law for Tithe . For by that , there is a true , and ( if by your leave I may , I will say ) a 〈◊〉 communication of all good things , both of Fruits , and of all other productions , of the Earth , of Plants , of Beasts ; you may by your selves make up the rest of the Induction . Substitute in place thereof a stipend , payment by the Poll , or a rate upon Houses , there will be many Errors ; part will be concealed , part will be substracted ; I dare say , there will be no communication in all good things . Lastly , though all possible caution be used , the communication of a Pension will be onely Analogical : But I have learned long since , and nature , law and reason perswade thus much , that , where we may have the Thing it self , we should not trouble our selves about the Analogy : Wherefore in the communication betwixt the Pastor and his Flock , if the truth it self of the Thing , of the Communication , may be had in all good things , ( and it may be had ) those stipendiary proportions are not to be sought after , or rather ( for that is too little a great deal ) are utterly to be rejected . Further , Let this be a sixt Argument . That Political Law concerning Tithes did sometime binde the Church : it cannot be denied . But it was never made voide : Therefore it bindes now too . What things were abolished , the Apostle sheweth , Ephes. 2. 14. Those things which were the middle partition wall , first , betwixt God and man ; secondly , betwixt man and man , i. e. the Iews and Gentiles . We are excluded from the first member of the Division ; for God commanded Tithes : therefore they do not displease him . And also from the latter ; for there was peace on all hands , in the point of Tithes ; which the Heathen did pay annually to their , ( as I shall shew anon ) as well as the Iews to their Priests . But that the other part of the Political Law was excepted , this may be an Argument , because it is esteemed by King David , Psal. 147. 19 , 20. a great blessing : And I shall hardly be brought to beleeve that the death of Christ deprived us of any blessing . Besides , if it were wholly cancelled , Saint Paul offended against the Rules of Law , when in the 1 Cor. 9.13 . he brought a testimony from Deut. 18. 1. that is , from an antiquated Law . But that controversie runs into another : I will not prosecute it . But this I will , out of the seventh to the Hebrews verse eighteenth , which shall be my seventh Argument . And it is if I mistake not , as a most fair place , so , most apposite to this Controversie . There is verily a disanulling of the commandment going before , for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof . So that no Law is to be antiquated or disanulled , which is not either weak or unprofitable . The Law concerning Tithes is a Law going before , an ancient Law : Let any man shew me either the weakness or unprofitableness thereof , I will joyn hands and grant the cause ; let this Thesis pass the sponge for me . But this Law hath strength , as much as any Law , ever had , is like to have , can possibly have , from the Author , consent , multitude , custome ; and that , lastly , not the mute or silent , but the express and clear approbation of all Ages . And its use too : for it hath a long time been imployed , without complaint of any , to that use , to which it was appointed : and , unless the sinews of it had been cut by certain Improper Proprietaries , it had been better imploy'd , neither would the Church have ever complained in that point . On the other side , ( which shall be my eighth Argument ) with how unhappy success hath it been changed in some places ? And where stipends are substituted in lieu of Tithes , how many deceipts , difficulties , complaints ? How many weaknesses and unprofitablenesses ? This , where Tithes are yet intire , may easily induce us to this opinion , That they ought not to be repealed ; and where they are repealed , that they ought ( unless it be wholly impossible ) to be revoked . Geneva payeth fourty pounds , a poor matter , God knows ; yet it is Calvins complaint in many places of his Commentaries ( modest enough , as became him , but loud enough ) that the stipends were but niggardly paid . In the sixt to the Galatians , and the fourty seventh of Genesis . Scotland also hath exempted it self from Tithes . There is in print a complaint of Iohn Knox , exhibited in the name of the Ministers to the Parliament at Edinburgh , Anno Domini 1565 , December 25. When I read the eighth leaf of it , it pities me for them : I say no more , but what the Boys use to sing , Felix quem faciunt , &c. Happy they , whom other mens harms make to beware . Those Fathers , whom I lately named , provided much wiser in this point , both for themselves and us . I come to them . We have had Arguments enough from holy Scriptures : And there is none of you ( I hope ) but will willingly admit the Practise of the whole Church for an Argument . I touched it lightly before : now I apply my self wholly to that . I say , of the whole Church : I change not a word . And , first , of the Aphrican : for which let Saint Augustine the glory of Aphrica speak , in his 219 Sermon , de Tempore , which is wholly and professedly upon the point of paying Tithes . He begins thus . By the favor of Christ ( Christian Brethren ) the dayes are now at hand , in which we ought to gather in the Harvest , and therefore let us give thanks to God who gave all , and think of offering , or rather paying our Tithes : ( and a little after : ) For we offer Tithes of Duty , and he that will not pay them , takes by force that which belongs to another . You shall have at once both the Practise of the Church , and the opinion of the Fathers touching this matter . Of the Italian Church : but for that let Saint Ambrose , the Bishop of Millan speak , in his Sermon of Lent , ( as it is quoted in the Decrees ) Whosoever shall call to minde by himself , that he hath not paid his Tithes faithfully , let him now amend what he did amiss . But what is it to pay faithfully , but not to offer either worse , or less then is due of your Corn , Wine , Fruits , Cattle , Garden , Trade , Hunting ? For he that will not pay to God the Tithes , which he holdeth , nor restore to man what he hath unjustly taken away , doth not as yet fear God , and is ignorant what true Repentance is . Let these su●●ice for the Western Church . And Saint Chryso●tome for the Eastern , If this were the maner under the Old Testament , how much more under the New ? For what did not they do ? They paid Tithes , again and again , to the Orphans , to the Widows , to the Proselytes . But some haply may wonder and say , Such a man paid Tithe : what a shame is this ? if that which was no wonder among the Jews , should be a wonder among Christians . If there were danger in it to leave Tithes unpaid then , consider what it is to leave them unpaid now . For Saint Ierome I am in suspense , which Church to attribute him to , but will not exclude him though : For he will be a most full witness , as being one who had seen most mens maners and most places . Thus he on the third of the Prophet Malachi . ( For I pass by his Epistle to Nepotian , where he saith that he lives of Tithes . ) The words are these . What we said concerning Tithes , which anciently were paid to the Priests and Levites ; understand that the same ought to be done by the people living in the Church under the Gospel , to whom it is commanded , not onely to pay Tithe , but also to sell all and follow the Lord . Which if we will not do , let us at least imitate the Jews in this , to give part of all , and give that which is due unto the Priests . Which whosoever shall not do , is s●fficiently convicted to de●raud and suppl●nt God , and is cursed with sc●rcity and want of all things . Very well , all this is true , they say . But the Church was now in peace , and began to set her minde , too much , on Riches . But what say you of that other , under the Cross ? Of that , which was so full of glorious Martyrs ? Although it be an unjust demand , that the Church should be in no better condition when flourishing , then when afflicted , yet they shall not scape so : To that I apply my self . The same did the Church ever think concerning Tithes , both when she suffered persecution , and when she was free from it . For the Western Church let Saint Cypri●n speak . Which very reason and form 〈◊〉 now held among the Clergy , that they who by Clerical Ordination are promoted in the Church of God , should not depart from the Altar and the Sacrifices , but receive Tithes of the fruits of the earth under the honorable name of the Brethren who live of the Sportula , i. e. of the Oblations of the Church . For the Eastern , let Origen who was ancienter then S. Cyprian . How then doth our righteousness exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees , if they dare not taste of the fruits , before the Tithes be set apart for the Levites , and I , doing no such thing , so abuse the fruits of the earth , that the Priest knoweth not , the Levite is ignorant , and the Holy Altar partaketh not , of any such performance ? And then he concludes : This we have spoke to this end , affirming that this command ( concerning Tithes ) ought to stand even according to the Letter . And before Origen , S. Clement of Alexandria ( who was neerer to Christs time , and almost touched upon the first Century ) speaks full to this . The paying Tithes of our Fruits , and of our Cattle , teacheth us Piety to God , and not to be altogether in love with gain , but to make the Priests partakers of our loving affection , and charity . Now I think these passages may satisfie the desires of the most unreasonable , to shew the intent and custome of the Church . But if any shall object , and say , private men thought so indeed , the sentence of particular men is oftentimes sudden , and , what the heat of their brain shall suggest to them , that they set down in writing : No news of any deliberation , disputation , determination all this while : All these are indeed in Councils : Shew it there if you can . I will take them at this challenge ; and onely wish they would be bound to stand to them . And to begin with a Council in Englan● , in the yeer 670 and 73 , under Theodore Archbishop of Canterbury . In the second Canon thereof , provision is made concerning Parishes ; now Parishes and Tithes ( if we may beleeve the Canonists ) are reciprocal . But this is more yet , That they wholly subscribe to the Council of Chalcedon , in which Tithes are confirmed . Which two things do sufficiently prove , That both the payment of Tithes , and the division of Parishes were anciently among us , and that they are not such upstarts , as some fondly have imagined . About the same time also was a Council summoned at Mentz , in the seventh Chapter whereof , we read thus . We admonish and command , that Tithes , which God hath appointed to be paid to him , be in no case omited to be paid : and they adde this Penalty , Whosoever shall after due admonition neglect to pay Tithes , let them be excommunicated . The second at Matiscon , almost 200 yeers before that , Cap. 5. The Divine Laws have commanded Tithes to be paid , which Laws all Christians have a long time kept inviolate . And it concludes thus : We do therefore ordain that the ancient custome of the faithful be restored . But if any shall be obstinate , let him be for ever separated from the Members of the Church . Before that , the first at Aurange , cap. 17. Concerning Tithes thus we ordain , that every yeer the Fourths , or every Fourth yeer the whole . Tithe be paid to the Bishop . I pass by the second at Toledo , and the third at Arles : I come to that at Chalcedon , one of the Four first and principal . Touching which , we read thus in the fourteenth Chapter of the Council at Tribur . It hath pleased this Council , That Tithes and all other their possessions be preserved to the ancient Churches , as was decreed in the Holy Council at Chalcedan , cap. 17. You have heard the Councils speak : and that upon mature deliberation , disputation , determination ; that they did establish , not define ; confirm , not appoint , Tithes ; that they were formerly granted by private consent , and suffrage of the Fact , as they speak ; before they went to the Councils . For subscription in the first Council ; Admonition in the second ; Prescription of long time in the third ; Conservation and penalties in the fourth ; do import rather an approving and ratification , then an indiction or appointment of them . But now forsooth , all the Question is about the Ius , or Law ; and thence we must derive either the Institution or the Abrogation of them : thither therefore they betake themselves : and truly I will not b●lk the Law , nor the Policy of either Body , Canonical or Civil . For even from thence I have collected a few passages to this purpose : sparingly indeed as becomes a Divine ; but abundantly enough to our purpose . Nor indeed shall ye need to fear that we will take any from the Decretals ; we shall be very scrupulous how we meddle with those dregs . Onely some few passages we shall make use of from the more sound Decrees ; and those too before the yeer 400. The Decree of Symmachus the first . Whosoever shall dispose of the Tithes without the consent of the Bishop , let him be Anathem● . Again , of Anastasius the first , Whosoever shall detain his Tithes , let him be suspended from the Communion . In the 29. Chap. of the Decrees of ●●●●sius , it is meet that there be Four parts made as well of the Revenues of the Tithes , as of the Oblations of the Faithful , as was long since decreed with great reason . But if Parishes and Tithes , Bishops Stipends and Tithes , Clergy and Tithes be reciprocal , as the experienced in those Laws are of opinion , then we may carry up this point a great deal higher , even to the second Epistle of Calixt●s the first , to the first Epistle of Urban the first , up to the very times of Iustin Martyr . Although , were there none of all these , yet the Canon which is Dist 12. ( Let that C●sto●e , which is not known to ●surp any thing against the Catholike Faith , stand firm , ) Especially being supported with the judgement of Saint Augustine , and Saint ●erome , ( whose opinion it is , that as the prevaricators of the Divine Laws , so , the contemners of Ecclesiastical Customes are to be curbed ) may be strong enough against the Abregation of Tithes . As for the Civil Law ( that we may satisfie our Polititians ; ) that is so far from the opinion that they may be abrogated , that it frees them from all injury by Prescription , which , nevertheless , by it self alone , in other cases cancels Laws . For so we have it in the seventh Book of the Code . Tithes by the command of God are set apart for the priests , that they , who are accounted of the Lords Inheritance , should live of his inheritance . They cannot therefore by Privilege of any be granted to Lay-men , lest the authority of the supreme Magistrate should prejudice the Divine command . And also in the Authenticks , in the same Title : Thus ●ustinian . But if any Private man shall possess Tithes , either without Title , or with Title , he cannot be secure by any prescription of time . For those things cannot be strengthened by tract of time , which , by Right , could be of no effect at the begining . I have other Testimonies at hand ; but I promised brevity . The Em●erors ( as you have heard ) are of opinion , that the things which belong to God may not be abdicated . The Scriptures , the Fathers , the Councils , both Laws , are with and for us . Now , unless Reason be against us , we are safe . To that , therefore , we come in the thirteenth place . But , there , to proceed distinctly , I shall divide this one Question into three Members . First , Whether Reason will that there be a c●rtain allowance to the Ministers of the Gospel ? Secondly , Whether this ●●t of the ●eerly profits ? Thirdly , Out of what part ? For the first : The business is long since brought to this pass by Saint Paul . The Ministers of the Gospel have a power to eat and drink , and not to work : the Reason . Every Laborer is worthy of his hire . Whether he cut his own Vine , or feed his own Flock : and , the Ox must not be muzzled that treadeth out the Corn . This is one degree . Secondly , But if any Laborer , much more Laborers in the Common-wealth . Every Souldier warreth at the publike charge , not at his own . They that assist the Common-wealth are to be assisted by the Common - wealth . But a Minister of the Gospel is a Laborer and assistant of the Common-wealth . This is a second degree . Thirdly , But if he must be maintained , who is any way profitable to the Common-wealth ; He , whose help she useth in spiritual and eternal things , much more ; and , if it might be , with such additions of Fortune , as they use to be honored with , who have deserved well of the Republike . For all Reward is beneath the merit of this , and there is no comparison betwixt Spiritual sowing , and Carnal reaping . Wherefore , without doubt , Carnal things are due to them who sow spiritual . I come to the second Member ; Whether out of the yeerly profits ? Postellus , a man of great learning , is of this opinion , That this is a common principle engrafted in all by nature , viz. That a certain portion of the yeerly profits be paid to the Ministers of the Holy things . For it is just and agreeable to reason , that there be a yeerly sacred tribute , wherewith we should sacrifice to God , for the increase of our estate , as we use to keep anniversary solemnities in thankfulness . And there is all the Reason in the world for it : but whether should this be out of the profits of the groun● , or by a pecuniary reward ? Reason would the former . For in all created things there is the image , and ( as I may so speak ) the superscription of God , as there is in Coins of the King . The tribute is distinguished by the inscription . Wherefore the Kings fifteens , and subsidies ( as they call them ) have the Royal impression . The Divine tribute is not silver or brass stampt with the image of a man , but of God himself ; as there is in all Creatures a Character of the Divine power , wisdom , and mercy . Of that therefore let the sacred tribute be . Would you have another ? Reason will , that the Minister of the Gospel should receive his reward that way , wherein there may be equality of fortune , wherein the mutual participation of plenty and want , of joy and grief in common with the people may redound to him . It is expedient it be so . For is he sustained with the annual profits ? Is it fair weather ? He is glad , he rejoyceth , he sings praise to God no less willingly , then any husbandman : for he hath his share in that fair weather . Is it tempestuous ? He sighes , he groans , he falls to his prayers , no less fervently , then any husbandman : for he hath his share too in that tempestuous weather . Sympathy , and Communion , that great bond of nature , of the Common-wealth , and of the Church , is conserved and maintained . On the contrary : Is he sustained by an yeerly stipend ? Be there seasonable showres ? the people rejoyce ; he rejoyceth not : for ( as we said in the begining ) their sowing or their mowing is nothing to him . Comes there an unseasonable drought ? The people mourn ; he mou●●eth not : for their sowing or their mowing is nothing to him . Sympathy , that great bond of nature , of the Common-wealth , of the Church , is dissolved . This ought not to be so : Wherefore that Reason is the better , which pleadeth for the fruits of the earth . I proceed to the third : What part ? The tenth . They say , that the Positive Law ( for that is their expression ) is the determination of the Law of nature . The Law of nature determineth the death of a murtherer : but the Positive Law , the kinde of death . Again they say , the Law of nature determineth a stipend to him that ministreth about holy things : but the Positive Law , the measure of the Tax . Yes , haply in things pertaining to the Common-wealth , there is a limitation by the Positive Law : But in Divine , in Taxing for the Chur●h , we grant it not . God is as careful for our sustenance , as he was for the Levites : there was nothing then reserved to the Positive Law ; nor therefore now . This whole point may be dispatched by Reason . The Levites had right to Tithes : But the Ministry of the Gospel , as it is more excellent in nature , and more eminent in dignity , so , is more profitable in its use , then was theirs . Our people receive more and greater benefits from us ; therefore they ought to pay more , Reason presently insinuates . What a shame is it , that Christians , who owe more , should not pay as much ? If therefore men would hearken to Reason , we might possibly receive more ample fruits ; not , likely , less . For Tithe hath all the points of Equity in it . It was chosen by God ; and so not without great reason ; and therefore not , without great reason , to be rejected . What is alleaged to the contrary ? One or two , I know not what , scarce worth the name of reasons ; not so much as a shadow of what we may call great reason , nay indeed not of any poor and mean . Most equal and reasonable it is in respect of the constitution . Excellently Saint Augustine : For what if God should say , Thou art mine , O man ; this Earth , which thou tillest , is mine ; these Seeds , which thou sowest , are mine ; these Beasts , which thou imployest , mine ; the Rain and Showers , mine ; the Sun and heat , mine ; all mine ; thou which lendest onely thy hand , deservest onely the Tithe ; but I grant nine to thee , give me the Tithe . If thou wilt not give me the Tithe , I will take away the nine : If thou wilt give me the Tithe , I will multiply the nine . Could a more reasonable Speech possibly be made ? Most equal and reasonable , in respect of the payment . Out of the second to the Corinthians , the eighth Chapter and the thirteenth Verse . For then is any thing most equally disposed , when one is not eased , and another burthened , when it is not too loose for one , too stra●t for another . By this , there is a most exact equality : the Rich are not spared , the Poor are not opprest : which is the common complaint of the Edicts of Princes ; the Crow , there , better then the Dove . Most equal and reasonable , even by the very light of nature ; I say , by the very light of nature , such as the very Gentiles had ; that is , by that lost , rased , deformed , not renewed Law . By what Law did ●braham pay ? Sure by no politike constitution ( who can possibly perswade that ? ) no , nor by any ceremonial law . For there is no congruity betwixt a ceremony and the eternal Priesthood , such as was Melchisedeks : Therefore by the law of nature . But to return to the Gentiles . Votive Tithes are frequent in their Histories . Not onely by prime men in their several Common-wealths , Pausanias the Atheni●n , Agesilaus the Spartan , as Xenophon reports . Cartalon the Carthaginian , Camillus the Roman , as Plutarch : But also by every Commoner , Stichus in Plautus ; by every housholder as we read in Plutarch . How so ? who declared to them the measure of the Divine portion ? who was his Accountant , who so exactly registred it in his Notes , that eight parts belonged to the family ; six whereof were to be imployed , two to be laid up ; that the ninth was for Seed against the next yeer ; and the tenth was ( {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} ) the Divine Tribute . But indeed they did not onely Vow them , neither was their T●●hing onely by Vow , or but ever and anon , but it was their annual ●olemn Rite and Custome . Alexander ab Alexandro no contemptible Author reports , that the ancient Romans were wont to pay T●thes of Corn , out of their fields , and new broken up grounds . Theophrastus saith as much of the Egyptians , that they had the like usage . Diodorus Siculus as much of Sicil●a , when she was her own Mistress , and not a Provinc● . And that this was the very maner of the Athenians , we may be convinced from this , because the poorest Citizens were called Thetes , and that from the letter Theta , the note of the number Nine ; because , having by estimation , but nine parts onely , they were exempted from paying Tithe . Finally , it may be collected from the same Authors , that those Tithes were never imployed to discharge their wages , who executed any Temporal or Lay Office in the Common-wealth ; that , at first , and as long as any thing was held religious or holy , they were so too : but afterward were swallowed up in the stomach of the Common-wealth . Of what credi● it is , I know not , but I remember that Musculus relates , that , in the first beginings of the Church , the right and use of Tithes was taken away from the Idol-Priests , and instated on the Presbyters of the Church . But this is most certain that the places of Payment and Accounts of Tithes , though in declining times they fell into the power and possession of Kings and Princes , did at first belong to the Priests . For when in the begining the same men were both Kings and Priests ( as Plato reports of the Kings of Egypt , and Virgil of Anius , King Anius , King of men , Apollo's Priest ) the Priesthood being afterwards , as too hard and troublesome a companion , transfer'd from themselves to others , they did notwithstanding retain the Tithe as a dowry to themselves . But that rather by Custome then Law , & that a corrupt Custom too . For that in the Prophet Samuel is no description of a good King , but a Tyrant . Which makes me wonder the more at them , who would have the Levites Tithe to be part of the Kings Inheritance ; and that Kings did part with their own Right , when Tithes were confer'd upon the Church . But this falls to the ground by the example of Mel● hisedek , who surpasleth the antiquity , and faith of all Histories ; who , both persons , of King and Priest , meeting in him , did not receive Tithes by right of his Kingdom , but his Priesthood . I should offend against the time , and against you , if I should produce any more of these mens trifles in this presence ; nor would any pleasure accrue , from thence , to you , nor advantage to the cause . Nor do I alleage any new Writers , because they for the most part do rather touch upon some heads , and not apply themselves home and strongly to the cause . Any , even the most learned Author , is otherwise to be esteemed of , when he doth but salute a Question , and touch it lightly ; otherwise , when he takes it to task , and thorowly dis●usseth it . And in truth , if I would never so fain bring them forth , yet the scales would hang even , in suspence . For ( to my thinking ) Luther , Melancthon , Brentius , would be for us : Calvin , Martyr , Bucer , go another way . Wherefore I will dismiss and leave you to your selves : Here shall be an end . Two Patriarchs , as many Prophets , CHRIST , his Apostles , the whole Church , Fathers , Councils , History ; both Laws , ( Civil and Canon ) Reason , the imperfect pieces and fragments of the Heathen , and finally , Experience it self have brought in their evidence for Tithes . Which if they seem to you to deserve your vote and suffrage , and to have spoken home and good Reason , be you , if you please , with me , of the same minde and judgment . That Tithes ought not to be abrogated . S. MATTH. 23. 23. Wo unto you Scribes and Pharisees , Hypocrites , for ye pay Tithe of Mint , and Anise , and Cumin , and have ●mited the weightier matters of the Law , Iudgment , Mercy , and Faith : these ought ye to have done , and not to leave the other undone . FINIS . Decemb. 15 , 1646. Imprimatur , JOHN DOWNAME . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A25401e-220 L. 9. de Plantis , c. 4. Gen 14● 21. Luke 7. 25 Prov. 14 4 Argu. I. Gen 14. 20 Heb 7. 2. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Heb. 7. 5. Ps. 110 4. Argu. 2. 1 Pet. 3. 6. Gen 28. 20 , 21 , 22. Num. 18. 31. 2 Chron. 31. 4. 〈◊〉 Argu. 3. Cap. 3. v. 9 , 10. Cap. 13. Cap. 11. Hom. lib. 50. c. 48. Argu. 4. Matth. 23. 23. Homil 73. in ● . Matth. Argu. 5. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Argu. 6. Argu. 7. Argu. 8. Argu. 9. P. 2. C. 1● Q. 2. 7. Hom● . ●● in Epis●●●d● ph●s . E●ist . 66. ●d F●rnit . ●om . 11. in 18. Num ● . Stromat . 2. Ed●● . V●rone●s . ●ol . 155. Arg. 10. Argu. 11. Cap. 16. Q. 1. Ad Casulan . Ad Luci● . Arg. 12. Tit. de praes●riptione , ●●ge An●sta● s●● 1 Arg. 13. ● Cor. 9. In Prytanaeo . De Orbis concordia . l. 3. c. 10. 2 Cor 3. 8 , 9. ● . 3. rerum Graecarum . {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Q 18. Geni●l . dierum li● . 4. cap. 10. De Plantis 8. sub in●t . In Gen. c. 14. 1 Sam. 8. 15.