PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS, FOR catholics RECUSANCE.  
ALL TAKEN FROM SUCH ENGLISH Protestant Bishops, Doctors, Ministers, parliaments, laws, decrees, and proceed, as have been printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the coming of our king james into this kingdom: and for the most part within the first six or seven years thereof.  
AND evidently PROVINGE by their own writings, that english catholics may not under damnable sin, communicate with English Protestants, in their Service, Sermons, or matters of Religion: and so convincing by themselves, their Religion to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministry to be void, false & usurped.  
Princes have persecuted me, without a cause.  Psalm. 118. 
By JOHN HEIGHAM at Dovay.  
With Licence. ANNO 1615.   

A BRIEF TABLE OF THESE DEMONSTRATIONS.  

The 1. Demonst. Because by their own testimonies it would be an act, and offence, unreasonable irreligious and damnable. pag. 1.  
The 2. Demonst. In respect of their Ministers, unlawful, false, and intruded; and not to be communicated with by their own writings pag. 21  
The 3. Domonst. Because the not preaching of the word of God, is not among them by their own testimonies pag. 49.  
The 4. Demonst. Because English Prot. by their own testimonies, want the due administration of Sacraments. pag 56  
The 5. Demonst. Because these Prot. manifestly acknowledge, that their pretended church, is not the true church of God. pag. 62  
The 6. Demonst. Because English Prot by their own testimonies, are rotorius heretics. pag. 65  
The 7. Demonst. Because English Prot. by their own writings, are schismatic. pag. 78  
The 8 Demonst Because the public Prot. service is false, heretical, justly condemned, and damnable by their own doctrine. pag. 85.  
The 9 Demonst. Because these Prot. by their own testimonies, are manifest▪ dessemblers, wilful deceivers, seducers, liars and perjured in matters of Religion. pag. 91.  
The 10. Demonst. Because these Prot by their own testimonies, are generally most vild ●i●●ed, impious and graceless people. pag. 106  
The 11. Demonst. Because English ●rot. by their own writings, are not only enemies to the temporal princes claim of supremacy, in ecclesiastical causes, but deny also his soveraignitia in matters temporal. pag. 112.    

TO OUR MOST MIGHTY SOVEREIGN, KING JAMES, AND ALL HIS MOST HONOURABLE NOIBLITIE.  
MOST MIGHTY KING: and MOST honourable Lords: as among human and natural Combinations, non are greater, more general, and binding, than those of one nature, nation, and kindred: So in nature nothing can be more unnatural, then unworthily to dissolve, violently to separate, or destroy these unions, so inviolably to be preserved. All persecuted Catholics of this kingdom armen, united and comprehended in mankind, equally as you, or the most renowned of you, or other protestants. They are of the same nation, our best belowed England, english with you. And very late and new would that persecuting protestants descent appear, who could truly say, he hath no priest or Catholic of his family, which in this long and grievous persecution, he persecuteth not, and himself in them. If any man object, that Religion for which they suffer, is of an heavenly, and high or nature, religing and binding not only man to man, but man to his God, and maker, by the greatest felatie, and homadge: must answer by your one proceed; This is so far from excusing your persecutions, that it utterly accuseth, & in all true judgement more condemneth them. For your doctors assure us, that the church of Christ cannot be without true discipline, to punish, and correct offenders, and make it an unseparable note thereof; yet your same protestant both laws, writers, and proceed are witnesses, that your pretended Examples watrant, and power to punish (as you do) the Reverend priests, and other Catholics, of this kingdom, are by many hundred years, to young, to make your Religion so old, and powerable, that it may safely and securely persecute your. Mother church of Rome, that brought us forth to Christ, & whose obedient and dutiful children, you and all others ought to be. That claimed authority by which you afflict us, never received life, until the decaying time of king Henry the eight; And than your so named Archbishop Parker 
Statut. An. 24. vel 25. Henric. 8. Math park in antiquit. Britannic. in Henr. 8. joan Bal. l. descriptor Brit. in Augustino fol. 34. 35.  writeth, that the pope's power and Religion had reigned in England above neyne hundred years. From the first conversion of this english nation by S. Augustine, as he meaneth, and an other of your styled protestant Bishops in the words is witness. Augustinus Romanus, Benedictini sodali●ij monachus à Gregorio primo ad Anglosaxones papistica fide initiandos Apostolus mittitur. Augustine a Roman, monk of the company of Benedict, was sent from Gregory the first an Apostle, to instruct the English Saxons in the papistical faith. And to prove this faith was then 
Bal. supr. fol. 34.  received, he addeth: Ethelbertus Rex Romanismum cum adiunctis superstitionibus suscepit. King Ethelbert received Romanisme, or Romish Religion, with the superstitions adjoined. For so your writers term that sacred doctrine. Your bloody law against the venerable priests of that holy church, and profession, is of no greater Antiquity, than the seven and twentieth year of the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, 
Statut. An. 27. Elizab. cap.  and then but the Edict of a woman, not much powerable in spiritual business. Yet Roman priesthood must needs be as ancient as Roman Religion. Which your own cited Author 
Bal. supr. fol. 35 pag. 1.  farther warranteth in this manner. Augustinus introduxit altaria, vestimenta, vasa sacra, reliquias, & ceremoniarum codices, quae omnia cum benedictione Petri miserat ei Gregorius▪ Nam primum eorum studium erat circa missarum oblationes, sedes episcopales, ac decimal; & ob id coactâ synodo, mandavit Romanus ubique consuetudines servari. Augustine brought in altars, vestments, holy vessels, Relics and books of ceremonies, all which with the blessing of Peter, Gregory had sent unto him. For their first, or chief study was, about the oblations of masses, episcopal Sees, and Tithes. And therefore assembling a synod, he commanded the Roman customs to be kept every where. Then if (besides our service, and Ceremonies, as the Roman, and command of that Mother church, Altars, mass, and sacrifice were then in use, our priesthood could not be wanting: for a principal doctor in your church with public allowance writeth: We cannot dislike the 
Morton Appeal pag. 162. l. 2. cap. 6. sect. 1. Reinolds conf. pag. 550.  sentence of D. Reynaldes concerning the mutual Relation and dependence between an Altar and sacrifice: But grant that Altar doth as naturally, and necessarily infer a sacrifice, as a shrine doth a Saint, a father a son. And he addeth thus, Cardinal Bellarmine said truly. Viz, sacrifice & priesthood are Relatives. Then if your doctor's doctors, Reynolds, and Morton, with their approvers, approve this doctrine, they must approve also the antiquity, and honour of our sacred priesthood, which your new learning and womanly divinity have pronounced treasonable. And your present protestant Archbishop and all others directors of M. Mason teaching that all Archbishops 
M●son epis● dedicator.  of Canterbury before your first pretended and protestantlie made Bishop Matthew parker, were from S. 
Mason in c●ns●crat. of Matthew parker. Suecliffe pag d●●ell pag. 4. 5. Feild l of the church Mas●n supr.  Augustine, consecrated after the Roman manner, and otherwise then you practise, must be of the same opinion, for our priests were made by them. And as D. Sutclisfe, D. Feild, M. Mason and others testify, by this form, Receive power to offer sacrifice for the quick, and the dead: which is now used in the church of Rome, in which no treason, but much spiritual power, and honour is containeth: And such, as it enforceth your present Ministry by all pretence 
Statut. An. 27 Elizab cap 1. M●sm Sutcl●●eild sup. etc.  they can, to claim, though with note of treason, their calling from that ordination. And such, that it maketh the lawful so ordered to be so honourable, that a chief doctor in your Religion hath written of them in thes most 
D Covell def of hooker. pag. 87  reverend terms. ●o thes parson's God imparteth power, over his mystical body, which is the society of souls, and over that natural, which is himself, for the knitting of both in one, which Antiquity doth call the making of Christ's body. By blessing visible elements, it 
Covell sup pag. 105.  maketh them invisible grace, it giveth daily the holy ghost; it hath to dispose of that flesh, which was given for the life of the world and that blood which was powered out to red●eme souls, 
Couell sup. pag. 87 88 91.  it is a power, which neither prince, nor potentate, king nor Caesar on earth can give. Then this state, a function so honourable with God, and renowned in his holy church by the sentence of your own doctors, may not be condemned for a state of Treason. And so many Reverend priests, above one hundred and twenty, besides divers of Religious orders, miserably tortured, and put to death, for that only cause in Englang, since that Edics of Queen Elizabeth, were not Traitors, and malefactors, but happy Saints, and blessed Martyrs. And your protestant persecution in putting so many, the fourth, third part, or more, of that little company to that cruel death, with other manifold Afflictions upon your country Catholics, hath given occasion for strangers, to think and a famous protestant among you to write, in this manner: The sufferings and 
S. Edwyne Sands in his Book, Relation of the state of Religion cap. 31.  Martyrdoms of English Catholics in thes times, are accounted to the height of Nero's, & Dioclesian's persecutions, and the sufferings on their side, both in merits of cause, in extremity of Torments, and in constancy and patience, to the renowned martyrs of that heroical church age. Which no man can deny, if he consider how many hundred years we enjoined peace, honour, renown, & above the third part of the possessions, and revenues of this kingdom, with all Bishoprics, Monasteries, and church livings, with their privileges, and prerogatives, 
Hollnish hist. in will. Conq Speed ib. Book of doomsday, etc.  And now are not only spoiled and deprived of them all, but styled, branded, and reproached with such Infamous titles, additions, slanders, and miseries, as never any such example can be produced of like, and so long persecutions, prosecuted against the ancient possessioners of Religion, and religious pre-eminences, by so late and new invention, by strangers or enemies; much less by countrymen add professors of Christianity. And yet his majesties regal sentence is: my mind was 
K speech in parlam 19 of marrh An. 1603.  ever free from persecution, or thrallinge of my subjects in matters of conscience. And again: Correction without instruction (which, as before, you cannot sufficiently give unto us) is but tyranny. And writing against Contadus vorstius, the dutch heretic, proveth, that if Catholics should be in error, yet they are so far from deserving persecution, and persecution of such nature, that their case needeth not fraternal, or friendly correption, or admonition: The words of his Censure be thes: If the subsect of vorstius his heresies, 
Declaration An. D. 1612. in the cause of D. Conrud. vorst. pag. 46. 47.  had not been ground upon, questions, of an higher quality, then touching the number, and nature, of the sacraments, the point of justification, of merits of purgatory, of the visible head of the church, or any such matters, as are in controversy at this day betwixt the papists & us: we do freely profess, we should never have troubled ourselves, with the business in such fashion. And yet all which was done therein, was but a gentle and friendly Admonition, without any breach of peace, leaque or amity with that people. 
Isaac Casaub. resp. ad epist. Cardi Per. in praefat. Field l. of the church.  Your Champion Casaubou, that hath privilege, so often to call his doctrine, the faith of our king, the faith of the english church, telleth you that thes controversies cannot be determined without a general council, to whom D. Feild subscribeth, and attributeth only to that, power to define, and punish for such things. And next to that, yieldeth primary doth of judgement, and to be obeyed, to the church of Rome, his 
Feild supr. l. 4. cap. 5.  words be thes: It is more to be respected, and reverenced, than the authority of catholic doctors, and Bishops; or other apostolic churches. Casaubon well knowing the weakness 
Casaubon supr.  of your cause, addeth first: because you have no hope of a general council, that so great liberty of writing one against an other might cease: again he wisheth, that, severis legibus ●trinque coerceretur, that it were bridled on each side with severe laws. Then you know by your own doctors and judgements, how great, and not to be named, offence it is, with severe laws or edicts to command and execute so undue and rigorous persecutions, against them whom you cannot judge, or condemn, not being condemnable.  
But because, after so many humble, and earnest suits, and petitions, english Catholics can find no hope of other trial, but to make their professed Enemies in this case, and persecutors, their Masters, teachers, accusers, judges, and and sentencers: I am enforced to accept that most unequal, and unreasonable conflict, to make your own present protestant writers, and proceed, judges between them and us, in their own cause: knowing they dare not 
Lactant. firdivin insti. l. 4. de vera sapient. ca 12. Morton in appeal ep. dedicat.  with any impudency deny, against the light reason, and the christian philosopher; that it is an invincible argument to prove truth, which is granted or made by enemies themselves: especially seeing by their common Harolde, Doctor Morton, they have publicly proclaimed it, in thes words: The assistance of learned adversaries; we admit for the greatest reason of satisfaction. For if it be held an excellent point of physic, ex vipera theriac●m, to turn po●son into an Antidote against poison: and in God accounted an high degree of vengeance, to turn the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and in David celebrated as a principal matter of triumph, to cut of Goliath his head with his own sword: and in Christ observed, as an unansweareable matter of conviction, to judge the evil servant by his own mouth: and acknowledged in S. Paul, as the most expedite means of confutation of the men of Crete, to oppose against them, their own, etc. And yet to give them more advantage, I will demonstrate only by those english writers, and proceed of their protestant Religion, which have been printed, published, or allowed among them, since his majesties coming into England, and principallié within the first six, or seven years thereof, that english Catholics so grievously punished for refusing to communicate with their country protestants in sacraments, service, sermons, or exercises of their Religion, cannot do it, by their own judgements, nor they exact it, without most grievous, deadly and damnable sin.  
And, because I freely acknowledge myself a priest of the Roman church, and offer to defend, or prove, against all protestants, or other Enemies, the most honourable dignity of that sacred function; And your proceed propose oaths, to try the loyalty of english priests, and Catholics, knowing that we will rather suffer death, and all miseries, as we have done, then to swear any the least things, which we think untrue: Being now come to my decaying time, tree and fistie years of age, do take and leave behind me, as a memorial of my innocency, this ensuing oath: and desire it be named.  An oath of a Catholic priest, his true alleadgeancie, to king and country. 
Humbly submitting my judgement in all religious doctrine, with all true Christians, to our mother church of Rome, a Rule 
King's sp●ac● in h●●● parliament.  to all both in doctrine and ceremonies (as his majesties public censure is) I protest in verbo veritatis, taking God, and the whole Court of heaven to witness, that I never committed in deed, word, or consent, any treason, or conspiracy, either against our king james his majesty, whose most dutiful, and obedient subject in all civil obedience, I humbly acknowledge myself, and so entreat to be accepted of him; or against Queen Elizabeth, his predecessor, or any foreign prince, in whose dominion I have lived. And I call again God, and the Court of heaven to witness, that I never committed against this kingdom of England my dearest country, or any other state, or province, where I have lived, or my parson in them, living or deceased, murder, theft▪ Rapine, violence, usury, oppression, enchantment, sorcery, fornication, addultery, or other carnal act with any creature, perjury▪ false testimony, gluttony, drunkenness, or any great or scandelous sin, to my knowledge disgracefully punishable by the laws of England, of which ● have been a student, and by the grace of God, given in my holy Religion, I hope, intent, and purpose, so to persever all my life: So help me God, and his holy Saints.  
You see how confidently I have sworn such an oath of fidelity, and innocency from offence, concerning temporal Regiment, or duty of a subject to his sovereign; as I stand in doubt whether any of your pretended Clergy protestant, will second me therein or no: And yet there is no matter against your Religion contained in it, as your so named new oath of allegiance, comprehendeth against the Pope, and church of Rome, (as they have censured) to whom so great respect (as before), is due by your own doctor's sentences: But I am out of all doubt, that many reverend, and learned priests, of this kingdom will in innocency add to that which I have begun: And all the rest of that consecrated company still sufferringe for that most glorious and holy cause, will be able to perform as much in that kind, as any temporal Sovereign can in conscience exact of a spiritual and clergy man; and more than your best and most selected Bishops, or Ministers will assume to do. For matters of Religion, this treatise will be our warrant, that we must continue our unity, with our Mother church of Rome, and not with those, who by their own judgements and testimonies, are Heretics, schismatics, damnably seducers, and seduced, and such, as by many other titles, by their own conclusions are men not to be communicated with in business of Religion, except men would wilfully incur damnation: Such as your most allowed doctors & writers, are most manifestly proved in this work, by their own writings. Therefore I crave pardon, that the harshenes or distasteful evidence of thes protestant demonstrations, be not imputed unto me, but to your own protestant, and puritan doctors, Authors and publishers of them, to the world: for by their authorities, and in their name I am to dispute, & proceed in every Argument, and conviction. And because I desire to bring security to all Readers, that no english protestant, or puritan, can by their own Religion take just exception against the weakest Conclusion of this book: I have not handled any matters in it, but such as by their own agreement, are essential, material, and fundamental in Religion. For how soever otherwise they disagree, and are not easily to be distinguished, yet in thes so necessary, and unseparable things, of true Religion, as they tell us, they all agree. 
D. Georg. Abb. ag. Hill pag. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236. 237. 347. Dove persuas pag. 32. Morton full satisf. pag. 18.   
The words of your present Archbishop, of Canterbury, are thes: protestants & puritanes did never differ in any point of substance in substantial points of faith there is no variance among us. And this he affirmeth seven times at the least in one book. The protestant Bishop of Peterborough writeth thus: in ma●ters of Religion we all agree. D. Morton, D. Sutcliffe, D. Willet, Wotton, Middleton, powel, the 
Sutel ag. k●ll pag. 42 Willet Antib▪ pag. 15 Wotton def. of Perk pag 28. Middl pag 201. Powel ag ap. ep. pag. 48. 45. Abr●dg. Edw. holy knight pag. 103. of his 〈◊〉.  Puritans in their Abridgement with others too many to be cited are of the same opinion. And it is so generally allowed among them, that they tell us, none but such as they term Papists, Goliathes, uncircumcised Philistines, liars, and will affirm the contrary. Your circumcised knight (as he will be named, writeth thus: our formalists and Presbyterians, how soever they be somewhat different in habit, yet are they united in heart, ready at all times to join in battle against any uncircumcised Philistine, that dares contest against the uniformity of their 
Rogers pref to the book of articles.  faith. Your public glosser upon your approved articles writeth in this manner: The very brethren themselves do write, that in regard of the common grounds of Religion and the ministry, we are all one, we are all of one faith. We are ministers of the word by one order: we preach one faith, and substance of doctrine. Then which nothing was ever more truly said, or written. 
Willet. Antilog pag. 15. 20.   
Your great Controvertist D. Willet writeth thus: among protestants of ●ngland there is no difference, or descent in any substantial point of faith. As for puritans and Calvinio-papists, they are terms of papists devising. 
D. Georg● Abb. sup. pa. 90. 106. 236. 237. Powell sup. pag. 48. 52.  Your present protestant Archbishop of Canterbury is so confident herein, that he useth thes words: No Goliath against us, can prove the contrary. D. powel with public approbation, hath thes words: No reformer ever distinguished between protestants, and them of the reformed church. The puritans do not affirm the division between protestants and them, to be in substantial points, non but papists affirm, that protestants and puritans differ in substantial points of faith, and he lieth, which saith they differ in substantial points. Like are the testimonies of others, But thes are fully sufficient in this place. Therefore seeing I am to allege only causes, and reasons essential, and substantial in Religion, from thes your english protestant Bishops, and doctors, why their country Catholics may not by their own doctrines, and proceed, communicate with them in matters of Religion; It is evident, that no english protestant, or puritan may, or in conscience ought, to deny any such authority to be cited in this treatise, or any conclusion truly and scientificallie deduced from such their allowed principles▪ for in so doing by their general grant before, he should become, a papist, and a recusant to communicate with protestants; or a blasphemous Goliath, uncircumcised philistine, or a liar, by their own censure and judgement: which would be new and urgent causes to avoid all spiritual communion with such men. Whereupon, presuming that no adversary will so much disable my studies in divinity, and arts subordinate unto it, But that I am able from granted, and allowed principles, to deduce necessary, and undemiable Conclusions: I therefore do confidently name this work. A book of english protestants Demonstrations, for English Catholics recusancy. Because the most just causes of Catholics refusal to communicate with protestants in Religion, are evidently proved by those protestants themselves, in this Treatise. And so in all obedient, and humble manner, I take my leave; I rest and hope to continue for ever, in all dutiful, and beseeming obedience, and love, to our most blessed Saviour, his Holy church, and Religion, his majesty, my dearest country, and your Lordships the most honourable portion thereof; as I have before professed, and obliged myself by attestation, and bond unviolable.   

PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLICS RECUSANCIE.  

The first particular protestant Demonstration, why english Catholics may not communicate in spiritual things with protestants: is, because by their own testimonies, it would be an act and offence, unreasonable, irreligious and damnable.  
THAT it is not lawful for any Catholic, or member of the Roman church, to communicate in Religion, and spiritual things, with the protestants of England, I demonstrate, by their own testimonies: And first argue thus.  
No professors of Religion may lawfully, and with security, forsake that church, and communion, in which by the testimony of adversaries themselves, there is salvation, and many have been by that profession glorious Saints, to communicate with a new Religion, whereof there is no such hope, or certain expectation: But the state of Catholics by communicating w●th protestants, and forsaking union with the church of Rome, should be in this perplexity, even by thes protestants confession: Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Roman church, to join with thes protestants, in such business. The fi●st proposition is evidently true: for good things, and certain, may not be left, and forsaken for thinger either evil, or uncertainly good. And that men may not communicate in a strange Religion, is confirmed by D. Covell, and M. Hull, proving it, by many 
Couell exam. ●a. 200. 201 Hul. Rom. ●ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff. exan of petit. pa. 10. 11. Powel ref. ●pist. apologetic. pag. ●5. 23. 26. 27. 100 114 112. 113. etc. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182.  examples, and testimonies of scriptures, and antiquity, T●at we may not communicate ●ith men of a divers Religion. D. Sutcliffe telleth us, that such communion is reproved by the authority both of the fathers of the church, and of aun●i●nt Christian Emperor's. The like he testifieth of Holy scriptures. M. powel is plentiful in this matters, and not needful to be cited, no● man of learning and conscience, affirming communion in a false, or contrary Religion to be lawful. The minor proposition, of certainty of salvation in the Roman church, is thus confirmed by thes protestants, D. Fields words be thes: the Roman and la●ine church continued the true church of God even till our time, and again in this manner: We doubt not but the church of R●me: in which the Bishop thereof exalted himself, was not withstanding the true church of God, that is hel● a saving profession of the truth in Christ, and by force thereof converted many countries from error to truth. D. Covell writeth thus, in the name of them all: Protestants 
Couell def. of hook pa. 68  do gladly acknowledge them of the Roman church to be t●● family of ●hesus Christ, they of Rome Were. & still are, in the church, it ●● strange for any man to deny them of Rome to be of the church. We affirm them of the Roman church, 
Covell supr pag 73. 76.  to be parts of the church of Christ, and that those that live and die in that church, may be saved. Yet both he, and D. Feild give this sentence: 
Couell sup. pag. 76. Feild. p. 69. Field pag. 182.  there i● no salvation, remission of sins, or hope of eternal life out of the church. D. Field further telleth us, that divers of the Roman church even of the best learned (that could not plead Ignorance) be saved and Saints in heaven. Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how great difficulty it is, for princes to be saved: 
Barl. ag. a name l●sse Cathol. Willet An. pag. 144. Speed Theat. of great Britan.  yet D. Willet writeth thus: it is not denied by any protestant, but many renowned kings, and Queens of the Roman faith are Saints in heaven, The names of our most holy kings, and Queens of England, which M. Speed in his late Theatre of great Brittany relateth to have forsaken their Crowns, and kingdoms, to become poor Monks & Nuns in that church and Religion, and to be, chronicled for all posterities to have been most holy one ●arthe, and now glorious Saints in heaven, are too many to be recited. Therefore seeing thes protestants assure us, that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ, they that live and die in it, come to heaven, and many such are so renowned Saints with God in heaven, and that out of the true church there is no salvation, remission of sins, or hope of eternal life, and there is but one true church; Catholics in conscience cannot forsake the Religion and communion of that sacred and saving Roman church, to communicate with protestants.  
Again I argue thus: That church, and Religion, 
●.  unto which all former good Christians of this kingdom, whether Brittanes, Romans, Saxons, Danes, Norwegians, or Normans kings or subjects were united in Religion, until the time of king Henry the eight, is still in all prudent judgement to be continued in, and communicated withal: But the Roman church and Religion is such: Therefore not to be forsaken. The mayor proposition is evidently true: for of necessity that Religion of Christ which is good, and maketh the professors of it such, is to be embraced, and followed, and they which embrace, and follow it, to be imitated, and communicated with, and the contrary to be avoided and forsaken; for as it is the nature of goodness, and good things, to be desired and embraced: So of evil, & such things, to be left and refused. The Minor proposition is manifest by too many protestants to be recited in this place: I will therefore only allege their chiefest latest, and most approved writers. M. Speed taking upon him the name of the Author, of the late book, called, the Theatre of great Britain, is so partial a reporter 
Theatre of great Brit. in all christian kings until Henry 8.  of things for protestants, by Instigation of their Bishops, and Ministers, that he is taxed by all indifferent men that were either the Composers of it, or that have perused it with equal judgement: And yet he is witness through the Regiments of all Christian kings of England from Lucius the first unrill the dissolution begen by K. Henry the eight, that the pope's supreamacies, Holy sacrifices of Mass, prayer to Saints, and for the dead, reverence of Holy relics, and Images, pilgrimage, purgatory, and other catholic doctrines, now impugned by protestants, were ever allowed, and generally practised in this kingdom by practice and devout profession whereof (to omit subjects though of high renown, sons and daughters of kings themselves) more kings and Queens in England became religious monks and Nuns, and, now by thes protestants, are honoured for glorious kings, Queens, and Saints in heaven, Then ever were protestant kings, and Queens in all the world, though never so● unworthy the name of 
Theatre of great Brit. pag. 33. n. 8. pag. 49. n. 5. pag. 53. pag 159 p. 161. pag. 294. pag. 298. pag. 301. pag. 305. Theat supr. pag. 344. pag. 47. pag. 302. pag. 306. pag. 308. pag. 310. pag. 311. pag. 338. pag. 361. pag. 364. pag. 366.  Saints, or sanctity. Such were (as thes protestants tell us) King and Saint Ethelbert, king and Saint Offa, and Saint Fremandus his son, king and Saint Cheldwald king and Saint Sebba, and his son and heir, king and Saint Sigh●rd, king and Saint Ceolnulph, king and Saint Egbert, king and Saint Ethelred king and S. Errcombert, king and S. Inas, king and Saint Richard, kings and Saint's Edward's, kings and Saint: Epmunds, and others, women, Queens and Saints; Queen and Saint Outhburge, Queen and Saint Etheldred, Queen and Saint Kineburge, Queen and Saint Eadburge, Queen and S. Eve, Queen and S. Ethelburge, Queen and S. Oswith, king Sebba his wife, (not named by them) Queen and Saint kinswith, Queen and Saint Ermenh●ld, Queen and S. Sexburge, Queen and S. Ethelswith, Queen & S. Elfride, Queen and S. Eanfled, Queen and S. Edgine, Queen and S. Edith, Queen and S. Elfgine, Queen and S. Emna, Queen and Saint Eleanor with others. That thes holy kings and Queens, now glorious Saints in heaven, (such as a false Religion could not make them) were of that holy catholic, and Roman Religion which we now profess, and for profession 
Theatre in those kings and Queens etc. Bale l. de scrip. Britan. in Augustino. Parker. in antiq. Britan. in Cranmer. will in Synops. & Antylog. etc. Theatre pa. 203. cap 9 Suteliff ag. Kell. pa. 105 Theatre sup pag. 222. king Edw. laws fol. 231. pag. 1.  thereof undergo so many miseries, not only this their Theatre, but their pretended Bishop Bale before, their so named Archbishop Parker, Doctor Willet, and others testify, neither was there from the beginning, by their writings, any Religion, or jurisdiction lawfully practised in this kingdom, but from S. Peter the Apostle, and the Popes of Rome, of S. Peter thus they writ: That he here founded churches (D. Sutcliffs argument of supremacy) and ordained priests and deacons, is reported by Simon Metaphra●●es out of the greek antiquities (not likely to corrupt for the Roman church) & Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Century, who saith that Peter was here in Nero's time. They urge for Pope and S. Eleuthertus' epistle to king Lucius, the laws of S. Edward, published by their protestant friend, M. Lambert of Kent, out of their Bishop Parker's library; And by them and those their published laws is evident, that the Brittanes did not only receive all spiritual jurisdiction, Religion, Bishops, and priests from that holy Pope, but temporal benefits, more than protestants are grateful for, or I mean to urge or stand upon. The words of those their cited laws in the very page before, are thes, concerning 
King Edward's lawe● fol. 130 pa. 2.  the Crown of England: The whole land & all the islands to Norway and Denmark belong to the Crown of his kingdom, and are of the appendancies and dignities of the king, and it is one Monarchy, and o●e kingdom, and was sometime called the kingdom of Britanye, and now called the kingdom of Englishmen. For Lord Eleutherius Pope, who first sent an hallowed Crown to Britanny, and Christianity by God's inspiration, to Lucius king of the britains, appointed and allowed to the Crown of the kingdom such meats and bounds as are said before. Of our Conversion and Religion by S. Augustine, and after, they have spoken sufficiently before. I will add but one testimony of their primitive king and Saint Ina●, their words be thus: King Ina builded the renowned abbey of 
Theatre pa. 298. 299. n. 11.  Glastembury most stately to the honour of Christ Peter, and Paul, where formerly stood the old Cell of joseph of Aremathia. Which this king Ina after a most sumptuous manner new built. The Chapel whereof he garnished with gold, & silver, and gave riech ornaments thereto: as altar, Chalice, Censor, candlesticks, Basin and holy water buckett, Imadges and pale for the altar, of an incredible value. For the gold there upon besiowed, amounted to three hundred three pound whaight; and the silver to two thousand, eight hundred, thirty, five pound, besides prctious gems, embrouched in the celebrating vesteres, he instituted a yearly payment to the See of Rome, a penny for an house on lammas day, called Peter pence. After he had reigned in great prosperity seven and thirty years, and odd months. professing voluntary poverty, Went to Rome, where in the habit of a Religeous man, he ended his life in poor estate: And Ethelburga, his wife became a veiled Nun, & was made Abb●sse of barking near london, wherein she ended her life. The Brethren of Ina● were kenten, whose son was Aldome Abbot of Malmesbury and Bishop of Sherborne. And if we desire Example from the the Norman Race, King William the first by by some surnamed Conqueror, may be added, both to encouradge us to continue in the Religion of the church of Rome, and to be fearful either to persecute, or forsake it: of him & his affairs this Theatre entreateth thus: His holy father Pope Alexander the second set in a 
Theatre sup pag 418. n. 19  foot, sending two Cardinals and a Bishop from the See Apostolic, in a Council degraded stigand Archbishop of Canterbury, EgelWine Bishop of the east Angles, besides divers other Bishops, and Abbots of the english nation: deprived for no evident cause, but only to give place to the Normans in favour of the king. King William gave his oath upon the holy Evangelists, and the relics 
pag. 421.  of S. Alban● the Martyr. Pope Gregoire sendeth hither his bulls against the mari●d clergy. Pope Gregory in all general Synod excluded the married priests from execution of their holy offices, and 
pag. 422.  forbade they lay men to hear● their Masses, our Lord's body, and the blood of our Lord consecrated by priests. To show how justly and severely God punished the hindrance of Masse●, and profession of that Religion, speaking of the destroying of Religeous houses, and churches, he writeth thus: King William pulleth down 
pag. 421.  36. mother churches, from man's use, and God's service in Hamt●hire now new forest. Richard hi● second son there died, gored with a dear, or blasted with a pestilent air, and Rusus his other 
〈◊〉. 46.  son mistaken for a dear, shot through with an Arrow, by walter Tyr●ll Henry likewise his grandchild by Robert Curtoise, pursuing the chase, was struken with a bough in the jaws, and as Absalon le●t hanging until he died, t●es punishments, with a strange earth quake, and other strange hinges ascribed for taking away use of God's service. And speaking of his great repentance, and virtuous end he writeth thus: He 
pag. 425. n. 65. 66. 64.  builded many religious houses. most certain it is that in the very same place Where king Harold's standard was pitched, and under which himself was slain, there William the Conqueror laid that foundation (Battle Ass) dedicating yt to the Holy Trinity, and to S. Martin, that there the monks might pray for the souls of Harold and 
pag. 423.  the rest that were slain in that place, he repenteth him of his cruelty in England, doth not accounted yt his own, but Gods. He giveth his Crown, and ornaments thereto belonging, to the monks 
pag. 422. 423.  of Saint Stephen in Cane. He giveth to his son Henry Beaucler●ke only 5000. prounde, without any country, proph●syinge how he should be heir to all. Th● dying king; for king; must die) having 
pag. 424. nu. 56. pag. 223.  raised up his weak body, upon the pillows hard the sound of the great Bell in the metropolitan church of Saint G●●uis near Rouen & demanding the cause, one replied that it did then ring● prim● to our ladi●: ●herevpon with great devotion▪ lifting his eyes towards heaven, & spreading abroad his hands, I commend myself, saith he, to that blessed lady, Marry▪ Mother of God, that she by her holy prayers may reconcile me to her most dear own, our Lord jesus Christ, and with thes words yielded up the Ghost. Their protestant Archbisop Parker is lately with applaose new printed, and speaking of the Roman Religion, and authority, abrogated by the new laws of king Henry the 8. writeth thus: 
Parker Antiq. Britan. p 329.  His legibus, by thes laws, the power of the Pope, that had continued in England above 900. years (he meaneth from the time of our Conversion by S. Augustine, sent hither by Pope, and Saint Gregory) was overthrown, And M. Mason, 
Mason book of Consecr. in M. Park.  with his directing protestant Bishops, assure us, that this Matthew Parker was allowed for Archbishop of Canterbury, by other order, than any his predecessors in the See of Canterbury. Therefore we may not forsake the Religion of Rome, so embraced and honoured by all Christian kings, princes, Bishops, and true believing subjects, until this time of protestants, by their own testimonies.  
Again I argue in this manner: No Religion, that is so far from truth and to be justifiable for good, and holy, that the chiefest professors, and doctors thereof, acknowledge generally that it is false, erroneous, or fallible, may be communicated withal: But the English parliament protestant Religion is such: Therefore not to be communicated with. The mayor proposition is evidently true, for as thes protestants have taught us before, no communion is to be had in spiritual things, with men of a false and deceitful Religion: for such by no possibility, can be the infallible, and most undoubted word, & revelation of God, which by no power can either be false, or doubtful: But the fantastical devise, Imagination, and human heretical Invention, of seducers. The minor proposition is so generally granted by the protestants of England, That D. Morton 
Morton Apolog. part. 2. pag. 315.  with public pri●iledge, absolutely for them all writeth thus: Thesis generalis, nullus est omnino in ecclesia, cuius judicium est infallibilis authoritatis. It is a general maxim, (And so to be received of them all) That there is none at all in the church, whose judgement is of unfallible authority. D. Willet giveth this testimony: In England 
will: Antilog. praef. angl. & pa. 71. 120. 150 43. Praefat. to the Reader supr.  the temporal prince is Governor, Ruler, chief Overseer, and Steward of the church, to whose judgement and redress the reformation of Religion belongeth. Yet thee addeth thus: neither he, nor any in their church have any privilege from error. And this is so manifest, by the often changings, and chopings of their Religion, by king Henry 8. king Edward 6. and Queen Elizabeth, that (to go no further) their errors and contradictions defended, and published by their own statutes, are shameful to be recited, and so evidently known, that their protestant Bishop of Peterborough, 
Dove persuasion.  with others do freely acknowledge it, that all protestant princes with their church had erred and seduced others. Or if against all hope, or possibility, in S. Edwyne sands opinion, we 
Relation of Religion.  might expect a general council by their doctrine, which not only he, but all protestants confining spiritual jurisdiction to call councils, only to the temporal and civil authority of particular princes▪ and countries, wherein they rule, and no farther, much less over all nations Christian, as the Pope claimeth: yet to expect an Impossibility, larks if the sky falleth, we should be then in as desperate a case by their Religion, as before. For in their public article and Rule they have thus defined: general councils may ●rr even in things pertayning● 
Articl. of Relig ●rt. 21. Field l. of the church pag.  unto God. Unto which I will add the public protestant opinion set down by D. Feild in these words: Bishops assembled in a general council have authority to interprett scriptures, and by their authority to suppress all them that gainsay such interpretation, and subject every man, that shall disobey such determination, as they consent upon, to Excommunication and censure of like nature. This is the desolate estate, of protestants Religion, by their own testimonies, without hope of hop●ls general council, there is no hope of truth or salvation in their Religion; And with hope of that which can never be, the misery is still remaining, for we are still left in danger of error, to condemn us, and peril of separation from the church, out of which (as they teach before.) there is no salvation, remission of sins, or hope 
Couell def. pa. ●6. Field pag. 69.  of eternal life. Therefore seeing by union and communion in Religion with protestants, both by their judgements, and our own also, we should be in this damnable perplexity, and certain danger of everlasting hell; And by remaining in unity with the church of Rome, in which we comfort ourselves, and offer to maintain against all opponents, heretics, or Infidels, that the church of Christ, Popes and general councils cannot judicially err in matters of faith, we are freed from those desperate conditions, and live in most comfortable hope of true Religion in earth, and everlasting salvation in heaven, we may not forsake the catholic church Vr●is & orbis, of Rome and the whole christian world, to join with the parliament, and so miserable protestant church of England, and one kingdom.  
For confirmation of this, though not needing to be confirmed, and for further demonstration in this question, I argue thus: No men in time of controversy about Religion may with security, and conscience forsake the communion of the superior mother and Apostolic commanding church; or that is taught to have especial assistance of God in matters of Religion: or that, unto which to adhere by the judgement of the primitive fathers was taken for a sure taken of a true catholic, even by the confession of protestants; to join with an Inferior, commanded, and subject church, utterly destitute of such prerogatives, and acknowledged by the doctors thereof to be erroneous: But the Catholics of England by forsaking union with the church of Rome, and communicating with english protestants, should be in this conscionles and irreligious condition: Therefore they may not do it. The mayor proposition, is three fold, containing in effect three propositions, as the argument for brevity, three demonstrative arguments. The first proposition is this: The mother, superior, and commanding church, may not without greater authority be forsaken, to join with a subject, Inferior and commanded church: And it is evidently true, otherwise it should not be the Mother, superior, and commanding church; but the contrary, inferior, subject, & commanded.  
The second proposition is this: That church which in the judgement of many hath especial assistance from God, and freedom from error in religion, i● rather to be communicated with, then that which by all men, even the best learned of itself is condemned of error, and confessed to be fallible and deceiving judgement, And this also is manifestly true: for in the first there is either assuredness; or contenting hope, to be free from error and obtain salualtion: in the other no true hope thereof at all, but a confessed certainty of error, seducing, and to be damned.  
The third proposition is this: That church which by the primitive fathers had that privilege ●s the adversaries do grant, that to adhere unto it was a sign of a true believing catholic, is rather to be communicated with, then that which never had or claimed such prerogative: And this proposition is likewise apparently true: for in the former there is security from error; and in the second evident certainty to fall into error, and state of damnation. Now that the case of english, catolicks should be this, in all this three propositions, if they should communicate with english protestans, I do thus demonstrate by thes protestans themselves; and first how the roman church was, and still is, this mother, superior, & commanding Church may appear by the sentence of his maiestè, concerning that church in this 
K speech in parlam.  words: it is our mother church: it was a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies, when it was in her flourishing and best estate. And in the conference 
Conference at Hampton pag. 75.  at Hampton Court, their Bishop, Barlowe relateth thus: T●e king's resolution is, that no church ought further to separate itself, from the church of Rome, either in doctrine or ceremonies, than she hath departed from herself, when she was in her flourishing and best estate, and from Christ our Lord and dead. D. Downame 
Downam l. 1. Anticor. ca 3 pa. 36.  denieth not, but both justinian the Emperor, and the general council of Chalcedon, in the primitive church, did attribute to the Pope of Rome, to be head of the church. And the same D. Downame, D. Covell. D. Sutcliffe Porkins, 
Down supr. pag. 106. ●07. Couell plea of Innoc pa. 65. Sutcliff sub vi●p. 19 Perk probls. pag. 237. 238.  and others witness, that at such time, wherein they confess that church, a Rule to all, both in doctrine and ceremonies, and not to be separated from, it exercised this supreme jurisdiction, in all parts of the world, Asia Africa, and Europe, Therefore this Rule to all, is not in ruling, departed from herself, or Christ our head, and so we m●y not be separated from it. Which M. Ormerod proveth further, assuring us, that in the Apostles time it claimed thes privileges of pre-eminence & indefectibilitie, from the irrevocable grant of Christ in holy 
Ormer. pict pap. pag. 78.  scriptures: his words be thes: To prove that the church of Rome hath the pre-eminence over all churches, Anacletus (living in the Apostles time, a blessed Saint, and martyr) allegeth Math. 16. vers. 18. upon this rock will I build my church, and he expounde●h it thus; super hanc petram id est, super ecclesiam Romanam, upon this rock; that is upon the church of Rome, will I build my church. Therefore for any man to say, that we may sepearate ourselves from the church of Rome, because, it is departed from itself, when it was in her flourishing and best estate, is not only a very frivolous and vain excuse, but in their opinion and Relation manifestly false, because this church of Rome, even in that her best estate, did claim and by the warrant and grant of Christ, registered in holy scriptures, as ample and supreme commanding authority, over all other churches & parsons, and as due and respective obedience, as now it doth, as these protestants themselves are witnesses against themselves: and by such pretended excuse of revolt, and contempt of superiority, and government, and for the inferior, subject, guilty, or accused, to usurp power over the Superior, and lawful judge, all heresies, schisms, treasons, rebellious, and disobediences, may be maintained; and all Regiment, and Rulers both spiritual, and temporal, be rejected, and overthrown. And is the like, or worse in effect, then that which his majesty speaketh, of the presbyterial discipline, in these words: lack and ●om, and Will, and Di●k, will censure the king. and his 
Conference a●●ampt. pag. 79.  couns●ll, and all their proceed, at their pleasure.  
And from hence also, both the second, and third propositions, are directly proved. For by this the second proposition, That Catholics in forsaking communion with the church of Rome, to communicate with english protestants, should forsa●● a church by the doctrine of divers, and credible authorities, assisted by God from error▪ is evideytlie true: for not only the present doctors of the present Roman church so teach, but it was so taught (as this protestants, assure us) by the learned and holy fathers and pope's, of that sacred church, when by their grant, it was in her flourishing and best estate and a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies. To which I add, the testimony of D. Downame, telling us that in those times, 
Down l. 2. Antichr. pag. 107. Ormer.  heretics, though Bishops recanting, did swear to meyntayne th●t faith, which the Bishop & church of Rome professed. M. Ormerod saith: S. Leo (that glorious Saint & doctor) did teach, that God did assist & direct that sea in decrees. And to maintain it by protestāns, that this was the common and received doctrine of that unsported time; whereas they now tell us, a general council is highest judge: D. powel writeth thus: 
powel l. 1. Antichrist. p. 230. 231.  Calixtus Pope (in that best time) defined, that all Bishops though gathered in a general Council, shall fulfil the will of the church of Rome: they which do not this, are pronounced of Pope Pelagius, to keep a false Conciliable, and not a Council. Pope Damasus written, that it is not lawful for the Bishops to do any thing, against the decrees of the Bishops of Rome. Where upon according to this general, and primitive doctrine by protestants relation, their Bishop of 
Bills. true differ. pag. 66. 67.  Winchester hath written in this manner: The Canon of the primitive church made every thing void, that was done without the Bishop of Rome The canon of the primitive church forbade, any Council to be called, without his consent. Therefore D. Feild directeth us, what to do in 
Field pag. 20●.  this case, in these words: We must obey without scrupulous questioning. with all modesty of mind, and reverence of body, with all good allowance, and acceptation, and repose in the word of them, that teach us, unless they teach us any things, w●ich the authority of the higher & Su●erior controlleth. Therefore because thus protestants have so confidently assured us, that the Pope, and church of Rome, is our highest judge, in authority, and superiority in this business, we must still, without scrupulous question, with all modestly, reverence, good allowonce, acceptation, and repose obey them, still communicate with them, And forsake all spiritual communion withal protestants, and others departed and separated from them.  
And from hence, also the third proposition, that to adhere to the church of Rome in time of controversy, was (and is) a token or sign of a true catholic, is evidently proved. An D. Downame granteth it to have been the opinion of the primitive fathers: S. Augustine, and victor uticensis, in Africa, were of opinion, that 
Down. l. 1. Antichrist. pag. 106. 105.  to adhere to the church of Rome, was a mark of a true Catholic, in those times. And that it must so continue for ever, is proved by thes protestants before. To which I add this protestant Demonstration following.  
Every forsaking of Communion, and communicating, which by protestants judgement doth, or would make men guilty of all kind of spiritual disobedience, is to be avoided: But for Catholics to forsake communion, with the church of Rome, and communicate with protestants, by their own doctrine is such: therefore to be avoided. The mayor proposition is evidently true: for seeing to be disobedient in any one spiritual duty, is wicked and abominable, much more damnable must it needs be, to be guilty of all such sins The minor proposition is proved by D. Feild, and the public protestant authority, that gave privilege to his writing, for entreating of the divers, and distinct kinds, of spiritual 
Field pag. 202. l. 4. cap. 5.  obedience, he writeth thus: Hither we may refer, those different degrees of obedience, which we must yield to them, that command, and teach us, in the church of God, excellently 
Waldens'. doctr. fidei l. 2. art 2, 3 pag. 27.  described by waldensis, we must saith he, reverence and respect the authority of all catholic Doctors, whose doctrine and writings t●e church alloweth. We must more regard the authority of catholic Bishops: more than thus, the authority of the Apostolic churches: amongst them more especially the church of Rome: of a general council more than all thes. By which doctrine of english protestants, it is evident, that all men communicating with them in Religion, are culpable in all kind of spiritual disobedience, and if the degrees of obedience, to commanders in the church of God, be (as thes men assure us, excellently described by Doctors, and catholic Bishops under the Pope, and the Pope is chiefest in thes degrees, and as before is proved by them, no council can be either general, or allowable without his allowance, and approbation, by forsaking communion, with the Pope, and being disobedient unto him, we should be guilty of a spiritual disobedience. Therefore when we are assured by thes men themselves, that now we live in all true spiritual obedience; and contrary to their commanding and supreme binding instruction, no authority on earth is to be obeyed in such things, but rather to be obedient and subject itself to them, the pretended instruction of protestants to unlearned catholics is not to be termed instruction, but destruction, and their pesecution against us for this our so religious, & just denial to communicate with them in Religion, shall be censured by his majesty and their Bishop of Durham, and not by me: his majesties words, in public parliament, in this question, are thus▪ You my Lord of Durham said very learnedly in 
Serm. An. 1603. 19 of March before the K. King's speac. in parlam. 1. jacob.  your sermon to day, that correction without instruction, is but tyranny. And how can England, ever an inferior, subordinate, and depending church, take upon it power to instruct the highest spiritual authority on earth, (as before) by their own judgements against them? And his majesty by himself, besides that alleged, alloweth the Pope to be chief Bishop, and prince of 
K. admonit. pag. 45. 46. Casaub. respon ad epi. Card. Perron. pa. 69. 70.  Bishops, as S. Peter was prince of Apostles▪ And by Casaubon, that all patriarchal, apostolic, and commanding Sees in the world now, do join with him against protestants, in question now in controversy.   

The 2. Protestant Demonstration, why Catholics may not communicate with them in Religeous things, is▪ by their own doctrine in respect of their so named ministers unlawful false, and intruded, and not to be communicated with, by their own writings.  
BUT to proceed, and still in matters essential, because in such things they will be esteemed to be at unity, and agreement: I will use their own definition of the true church, subscribed unto, by them all, that are admitted for ministers in their english protestant Religion: 
Articl. of Religion. art. 19  Thus it is: The visible church of Christ is a congregation of faithful men, in the which the pure word of God is preached▪ and the sacraments be duly ministered. So that three things by this their highest decree are essential in Religion: 
Field lib. & 2. pa  D. Feild calleth them proper, essential, and inseparable. True Pastors or ministers: The puer word preached: and sacraments duly ministered. If I should only prove, that but one of thes three be defective in their church, or not to be communicated with, I have rendered sufficient reason of refusal to communicate with english protestants, in their Religion: for in true definitions nothing must be wanting, or superfluous, for the maxim is general: That the definition, and thing defined must be convertible. But for security I will make demonstration by thes protestants themselves, that all thes protestants themselves, that all thus their proper, essential and inseparable th●ngs, are both separable, separated, and wantinde with them. And first concerning their Ministry, because it is lately confuted & condemned at large, by their own writings, I will be brief, and I argue in this manner.  
No pretended ministers of England, that be made either by imagined power and authority from a woman, not capable to make ministers, or by power authority or jurisdiction from the Pope, See, or church of Rome, may be communicated with by their own writings, and proceed: But all in England supposed for ministers be in this case by their own confession: Therefore by their own confession, and testimonies, not to be communicated withal in spiritual things. I will first prove the second proposition: and it is demonstratively proved by their general consent, for though they differ by which of those means they were made, the puritanes justifying that they have no better ordination, than Queen Elizabeth a woman could give them, which the teach is none at all, & the parlame●tarie protestants now defending, & contending to deduce and prove their supposed ministry by the Roman authority, and jurisdiction: yet in this they allagree, that their pretended ordination is either from, Queen Elizabeth, or from the church, and Pope of Rome, neither possibly can it be otherwise, for the Catholic Bishops after the death of Queen Mary being deprived by Queen Elizabeth, in the first year of her reign as all our protestant historians Fox, Stowe, Hollinshed, 
Fox● t●. 2. monum. stowe hist. an. 1. El. holinsh ib. Park antiq Brit. in fin● Mason l. 1. 2. 3. 4. Consecret. Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1.  Parker, Speed, Mason and others testify; as also all jurisdiction and power spiritual under treasonable offence, and penalty, by the highest parliament law, invested in Queen Elizabeth, they must needs▪ claim their making, from that which then was rejected, or from that of Q. Elizabeth then received, and established: for there is, as they acknowledge no other to be imagined.  
Now to come to the mayor proposition, and first to that protestant opinion, which teacheth their pretended ordination to be only by Queen Elizabeth, I argue thus: No communion and union spiritual is to be had, with men pretending to be true ministers, but by their own doctrine and doctors are not such, but usurpers, intruders, bastardly, false, and illegitimate: But the english pretended ministry is such: Therefore not to be communicated with in such business. The mayor proposition is evidently true: for usurped, false, illegitimate and cannot possibly be just, right, true, and lawful things. The minor proposition is also evidently true, in their writings, assuring, not only that they were made by Queen Elizabeth, but that for that reason they are no true ministers, because she a woman, by sex uncapable of such function, could not give it unto others. Their reason is à priore, and demonstrative, and the same which the 
jacob Reas. prot. Assert. Lord Cook.  present Lord chief justice alloweth for such, and is this: nemo potest plus juris in alium transfer, quàm ipse habet, no man can transfer or give more right unto an other, then ho himself hath. And hereupon they conclude against this pretended english Ministry in this manner, one of them hath these words: The protestant Bishops are no approved members of the visible 
Survey pa. 5 jacob. reas. pag. 9  church of Christ. M. jacob writeth thus: English protestant Bishops are plainly contrary to God's word, and utterly unlawful. A diocesan Bishop is neither a pastor, nor one of the people in any proper visible church with v●. M. O●merod relateth their Censure in this order: The english protestants 
Ormer. pict pu●it. f. 2 g. 4. Dial. 1.  have neither a right ministry of God, nor a rig●t government of the church, english ministers are no ministers. The english ministry is unlawful. There is no right ministry in England, 
Roger's in Arti●. 36. p. 200. 201.  no pastors, no Bishops. M. Rogers writeth thus: They write that the Bishops of our church have no ordinary calling of God, and function in the scriptures for to exercise, th●y are not sent of God inferior Ministers they are not, according to God's word, either proved, elected, or ordained. Like is the Testimony of M. Mason, M. Owen, and others, too many to be recited: 
Mason pa. 7. 8. Owen pill & her.  Therefore by their judgement, we may not communicate with them, in spiritual things: neither can this their pretended ordination be lawful.  
Neither can it be available for the present 
Francis Mas. in praf l. 1. 2. etc. Feild l. of the chur. Sut●liff ag. Kell pag. 5. Butler in epist. written for the ministry.  protestant (so named, Archbishop of Canterbury, director to M. Mason, now M. Mason, D. ●eild D. Sutcliffe, D. Butler, or any other among them, now to say they have received true, and lawfall ordination from the Pope, and church of Rome, as they now say, and by all means contend to prove; for to be made priests or Bishops by the Pope, and his proceed, i● a thing essentially different, from having only allowance by a woman, uncapable either to have, or give such power; therefore because men in protestants religion may not be papists, nor liars, nor say that so many of their worthies, bishops, and doctors assuring us before, that they do not differ in any one essential, or material point, be liars, and dissemblers in religion, we must needs agree with them, that say the english ministers have no calling, or admittance, but by Queen Elizabeth, which by them is none at all. Again both upon the same ground, and the like extremity in their doctrine, they are enforced to renounce all ordination from the Pope, and church of Rome, by this their own demonstration: No man can give that to an other which he hath not: But, by them, the Pope hath not true ordination: Therefore cannot give it to others: The mayor is evidently true, and their own ground, and principle. The minor proposition hath been a common protestant doctrine, and must be justified by their received opinion, that the Pope is Antichrist, a thing in religion essential: for Antichrist that is quite contrary unto Christ, cannot by any means be judged a true priest and bishop of Christ. Thirdly D. Sutcliffe maketh this matter most clear in these his words: Th● Turk's musty i● 
Sutcliff suru. pa. 48.  as good a Bishop as the P●pe. therefore in his doctrine, neither of them a Bishop, or able to make, either Bishop, or priest. Therefore in an other work with public allowance, as also this hath, he writeth of us, in this manner: in 
Sutcliff ag▪ D. kell. pa. 4.  the Pope's church our adversaries neither have man●r of ordination, nor substance of function, they have not imposition of hands by bishops, because they have not lawful Bishops. Therefore their pretended Bishops, if made by such no Bishops, be not true bishops. And so there be neither true Bishops, nor true and lawful priests, or ministers in the english protestant congregation: and so no true church, nor spiritual communion to be used with them, by their own judgements.  
And this their new devise of claiming a consecration de iure divino, and not their old admittance from. Queen Elizabeth, was the 
Protest. offer of confer pag. 11.  motive, that urgeth their own brethren in Religion, first to write in thes words: If prelacy be de iure divine by the law of God, it receiveth breath and life from the Religion of Rome. Whose prelacy and priesthood is even by our greatest adversaries acknowledged to be by divine institution: And this supposed & granted by thes parliamentary protestants, thus they add: They cannot see how possibly by the rules of divinity, the separation of our churches from the church of Rome, and from the Pope, supreme head thereof can be justified. And again in this manner: They protest to all the world, that the Pope, and the church of Rome, and in them God, 
〈◊〉. pa. 16.  and Christ jesus himself, have had great wrong, and that the protestants churches are schismatical in forsaking the union and communion with them. And this, he that would be named Archbishop of Canterbury, even by his own grounds before, should rather have resolved upon, then contrary to his own judgement, understanding, and conscience (if I may use that word in such proceed) maintain, and aggravate so strange and unchristian persecutions, against sacred and lawful priesthood in others; which though only imputative, pretended, and usurped in himself, he would have so much honoured, or rather (by their Religion) Idololatrated, and worshipped as an Idol, ens rationis chimera, and no real thing. And this is one of his unholy purchases by directing Frauncys Mason, in so dirty a daubing work, as his book of pretended ordination is. An other no less profane is this, to demonstrate himself, and all of his opinion before, for the unity, and general accord, and agreement of all, both english, and other protestants, in all essential, substantial, and material points, of Religion, to be profane dissemblers, seducers, and men of no Religion. For in this so essential, and substantial a question, of a true and lawful priesthood, or ministry fundamental, or foundation in true worship, they are so diametrically, and contradictorily d●●ided, and separated, that some of them confidently, and as matter of faith, believe, and teach, they have no calling or ordination, but from a woman, utterly disabled either to have or give it: the rest as certainly affirm, that which they pretend to have is from Antichrist, which likewise can neither give, nor have it. so that by no possibility they can be reconciled, to have any title to a true ministry and Religion. Their only way of Reconcilement, in some part, (but to their little comfort) is this, if they will agree, that Queen Elizabeth was Antichrist. But Concerning their pretended ordination, it is abundantly and demonstratively confuted out of their own laws, writings, and divinity in a particular book of that subject, and for that cause I had here passed it over with silence, had I not been advertised, that being diverse months since ready for the press, it is fallen into their pretended Bishops hands, that intent to suppress it. And therefore in the Author's name, I request them, truly, and word for word, to publish it, with the best answer they can make unto it. And his promise is, to make no further reply unto them in that business: so confident he is, his book to be unansweareable, and their cause undefensible. But for fear they will behave themselves in this, as to my grievous experience they have very often done in the like before, I must add somewhat in this place. And first I tell M. Frauncys 
Mason b. of Consecrat.  Mason, & his directors, telling us that Matthew Parker was consecrated by four true Bishops, or three and a Suffragan, That no notorious and contradictory liars are to be believed in their own cause, especially of such moment: But all or most of the protestant Relators of this by their own Testimony, are liars: Therefore not to be believed. The mayor proposition is evidently true: And the minor thus p●o●ed: for first whereas I find three relators of this pretended Consecration, and 
Butler epdef of their mis●●on. Su●cliff ag D. ●ell. pag. 5.  Parker's Register, Doctor Butler, D. Sutcliffe, and directed M Mason: The first saith, that John Suffragan of Do●er was one of these Consecrators. D. Sutcliffe his words are thus: Bishop Parker was consecrated by imposition of hands of Bishop Barlowe, Bishop Coverdale, Bishop S●ory, and two Suffragans, of whom mention is made in the act of consecration, yet to be seen. M. Mason 
Mason in ●ons. Math. Park.  telleth, there was but one Suffragan there, and he was of Bedford. So that in these three protestant chief writers, and allowed r●lators of this pretended consecration, there be thr●e divers and quite repugnant narrations, of which if not all three, yet at the least two of necessity are notorious lies, and corruptions, and all of them cite Matthew Parker's Register; So that if any credent is to be gruen to these men, they had seen three different Registers of this matter, and all of them false, not only for that which is proved before, but because M. Mason 
Mason sup.  ventureth his own, their Register, and pretended Bishops credit, upon an imagined consecration, in the month of Dec●mber in the second 
Stow pistor. An. 1 Elizab. holin. & Speed supr.  year of Queen Elizabeth; when by the testimony of their protestant historians, Stowe, Holinshed, and Speed, they were allowed for Bishops, by Queen Elizabeth, many months before, and practised those places in the first year of her Reign. And for his pretended 
Mason Speed & holinsh supr.  Bishop and Consecrator Miles Coverdale, it is evident by Mason himself, Speed, and Holinshed, that he never was allowed in Queen Elizabeth her time to have a B●shopricke, or be a Bishop, such is their evidence also of their pretended Suffragan, or Suffragans: Therefore if they were not Bishops, they could not be consecra●inge Bishops, to give that which they had not, neither were allowed to have by those protestants. Again M. Mason telleth us, that the Queen's Commission unto thes pretended Consecrators, (and other warrant they had not) was to make them Bishops, secundum formam statutorum in ea part provisorum, according to the form of the statutes provided in that behalf. And yet the statute 
Stat. Henr. 8. of Bish. Stat. 1. Eliz  of king Henry the eight, and Queen Elizabeth condemneth, the making of an Archbishop, except by an Archbishop, and two other Bishops, or sour Bishops. And yet by thes men, neither of thes was observed in this pretended consecration: further by the same prince's laws, their 
Stat. H●●● 8. of 〈◊〉 ag Stat. ●. Eliz  ●m●gin●d Suffragans had no power in such thin●s, neither any at all out of their Bishop's jurisdictions, and without their allowance, both wanting in this case, when there were no Bi●●ops of those places to have jurisdiction, o● give allowance. So now by thes men themselves, the only difficulty remaineth of Barlowe, made B●shop as M. Mason saith in time of king Henry 8. & S●ory by king Edward 6 and his new invention. But for Barlowe, we ar● directly told by D. Suttcliffe that neither 
Sutcliff ag. kell. pag 4.  h●e, nor any of such creation is a true and lawful Bishop, for M Scory, and all of his stamp, or making in the days of king Edward 6. Queen Elizabeth, or king james, from them, not only M. Fox, But M. Mason also is witness, 
Fox tom. 2 ●●g. 10●4. Mason li 2. pag. 92.  that t●ey were not reputed for true Bishops, as appeareth by thes their words, the words of D. Brooke Bishop of Gloucester the Pope's delegate, to Ridley at ●is degradation: We must against our wills proceed according to our Commission to disgradinge, taking from you the dignity of priesthood, for we take you for no Bishop. And so they thought of the rest. And this was not only the opinion of divines and catholics, but of protestants, and chiefest lawyer's, and judges themselves, even in the time of Q. El●zabeth herself. The opinion and Report of Sr. Robert Brooke, chief justice of the common 
Brooke Abrid. 1576. titul leases §. 68  pleas, then published are thes: It is said that Bishops in the time of king Ed●ard 6 were not consecrated, and therefore were not Bishops, And therefore a lease for years made by such and confirmed by the deane and Chapter, shall not bind the Successor, for suc●, ●ere never Bishops. Therefore if this verity of the invalidity of those pretended Bishops, was thus notoriously known, and judged by our common law, and judges thereof, even in civil affairs, much more, we are to be of that mind, concerning the spiritual and sacred function itself, and in religious duties, not in the power of our laws to limit. The same is proved in the Reports of Sr. james Dyer Lord chief justice of the same Court, for, whereas the statute 
Stat. An. 2. Eliz. cap. 1.  of Queen Elizabeth, concerning her strange supremacy, in matters of Religion, gave power to all Bishops, to minister the same unto all ecclesiastical parsons, within their diocese, and jurisdiction; Bishop Boner, being deprived from the See of London by this highest archiepiscopal, or papal power of that Queen; and Horn a protestant by her substituted to be Bishop of Winchester; he thinking himself sufficiently by her allowance to be Bishop, at least to that purpose, offereth this new oath to Bishop Boner living, a prisoner within Winchester jurisdiction: The Bishop refusing the oath was indicted upon that statute; to which indictment he pleaded, quod ipse non 
In novel Cases collect per ●asques Dyer chris. ●ustice ac ●●om: bank termin. Michael an. 6. & 7. Eliz. fol, 234.  ●st inde culpabilis, that he was not culpable, because the said Bishop of Winchester was not a Bishop at the time of offering the oath. After, this was c●r●fied into the king's bench, and thus related by their chief justice L. Dyer. Edmond Bo●●r late Bishop o● lond●n was certified in the king's Bench by Doctor Horn Bishop of winchester, for refusing of the new oath, appointed for ecclesiastical parsons, by the statute in the first year of the now Queen▪ in the first chapter, offered and ministered to him in Southwark in winchester ho●se there. And concerning the former plea, and Issue of Bishop Boner, he addeth thus: And it was much debated by all the justices in the chamber of the ●orde Catlyne, (than chief justice of England) if Boner might give in Evidence upon this Issue, that is, That h●e is not thereof culpable, because the said Bishop of winchester, was not a Bishop, at the time of offering the oath. And it was resolved by them all, that if the truth and matter were such in deed, it should for that be well received upon that issue, and the jury shall try it. Hitherto the words and sentence of all those protestant judges. So that as by the Censure of the Lord Brooke and the judges then, the pretended Bishops of king Edward's time were clearly adjudged to be no Bishops: So the same opinion now in the time of Queen Elizabeth, by both the Chief justices, and all other judges, is, that the pretended Bishops of Q Elizabeth, her appointing, were no Bishops. Otherwise they would not so disgracefully to their new no Bishops, and Religion, have refused to proceed to trial of that matter, and that Issue, with Bishop Boner, a disgraced Man, and in case, where they themselves were to give judgement. And to make this more evident; in the next parliament, in the eight year of that Queen by public decree, 
Statut. An. 8. Elizab. cap. 1.  or statute, they absolutely free Bishop Boner, and all others in his case, from all penalty, and forfaicture, for refusing that oath tendered by such pretended Bishops: And for no other reason, but that it was most manifest in all true judgement, that they were no Bishops; being of necessity either made by a woman, which they confess could not do it; or by the pretended Bishops of king Edward's making, utterly also (as before) condemned by law and the judges themselves. And yet of thes two absurdities, that which was the worst, and most absurd, to be made by a woman, uncapable must needs be their case▪ For the new 
Book of consecr. statu An. 3. Ed 6. ca 12. Stat. 1. Mar. Book of Article● of Religion 1562 articul 36. Stat. An. 8. Elizab. c. 1.  form, and fashion, of making pretended Bishops, and priests in the time of the child king, Edward the sixth, abolished by Queen Mary, was never revived by the english protestants, until their book of Articles made in the fourth, or fift year of Queen Elizabeth, made in their convocation consisting (as before is evident) only of lay men, without authority received it: and was never allowed by parliament until this, in the eight year of Queen Elizabeth. So that by no possibility, thes after Acts, if they had been powerable in religious causes (the contrary whereof is evident) could make so many years before pretended and unlawful Acts, and consecrations, now to be true and lawful. Therefore thes pretended protestant Bishops and Ministers can by no power, by their own proceed, be lawful; wanting both true form, matter, manner, men ordering, and the Acts, and 
Conc. Floren. in ●nion. will apud ●arkes p. 137. 180. & Park ib. ●il● sur●. p. ●2 mort. pa 2 Apol. p. 340 l. 4 c. 18 Relat. ca 47, ●eild p. 202. 218.  functions themselves, as is before proved, and appears, by the council of ●lorence, which D. Wille●, M. parks and others allow for general: which D. Bil●on D. Mo●ton, their Relator of Religion, and D. Feild, assure us hath supreme power, and authority, to command all whomsoever, to obey the definitions thereof Neither need I appeal to general councils, though their grant in this Question: for by their own parliaments, Articles, common writings, and public doctrine, it is more than evident, that their pretended Bishops, by whom their ministers, and other pretended Bishops be made, be no more Bishops, than their ordinary ministers, none at all, no more than all lay men be, no more, nor so much, as king Edward 6. a child, Q. Elizabeth a woman, and our present, and ever of me most honoured king james were, or is, by their proceed, which is thus made evident by their own Religion.  
Every distinct order hath some really and essentially distinct Act, and office, to execute, which others, from which it is distinguished, have not, nor can perform: But the pretended calling, of protestant Bishops in England, by their own proceed, hath no such really and essentially distinct Act, or office: Therefore by their ow●e Religion, it is no distinct order. The mayor proposition is evidently true, for, every dist●●ct Order, power, faculty, or ability spiritual, or other, is so known and distinguished. The minor proposition is thus proved by themselves. For whereas our Pontifical, and schools, ascribe to episcopal Order, 
Pontifical. in Ord. Sacer. & ep●schol. insacr ord. 3. p. d. Th. etc. Articles of Relig. Artie sacram. etc.  thes Acts, to consecrated, Christne, give two sacraments, Orders, and confirmation, thes protestants by their public Articles, and practice both deny all thes: and yet ascribe no other peculiar Act or office to their pretended Bishops make ministers, and confirm children. I answer, they deny both them to be Sacraments, and so having no mystical consecration, but being only ceremonies, may be used by men, no Bishops, and so in all protestants Presbyteries pretended ministers (allowed by them) are made by only ministers: and where the ceremony of confirmation is allowed by protestants, out of England, it is all so ministered by only ministers, and if thes do not give grace effectually as they say, it is not necessary to appoint a distinct order for their ministration. So there is now nothing left for thes pretended Bishops, but pretended jurisdiction; but this is from the king, that is, Queen Elizabeth, and king Edward 6. before supreme in this business, and so by their Religion more truly and better Bishops, than Ridley, Parker, Whiteguift, or any of that pretended calling; And as the pretended Commissioners, 
Stat. Ed. 6. Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Fox tom. 2 in Ed. 6. & Eliz. Holin. supr. etc.  of king Edward, and Q. Elizabeth, related by their Statutes, Fox, Hollinshed, & others, withal power from them to reform Religion, were in thes men's doctrine, more worthy the name of Bishops, than they which have that name, but want that office, & power▪ So his majesty in their Religion, by his supremacy▪ inspirituall things, may by his letters patents, and commission, not only with king Edward, and Q Elizabeth, authorise his 
Fox in Ed v. in B. Card Stowe holinsh. Speed, etc. An. 1 Eliza in histor.  lay Councillors, and mere temporal men, to judge, deprive, and depose Bishops, but to be allowed for Bishops, Archbishops (and higher) patriarchs, without any consecration, or other ceremony. They which gave this power to Q. Elizabeth, and our Sovereign, were only lay men, and neither any of them in particular, or all in general equal unto him, that is supreme; Therefore it is his power by their doctrine, at his pleasure without any ministers concurrence, or consent, to take order, (and never more need, then when their Religion is become a mockery of all true Religion) in thes affairs: and to make any the meanest subject, without any imposing of hands, speaking, or prayer over him, or other complement in such business, greater in calling, and dignity, than he that beareth the name, Archbishop & primate of all England among them.  
But the present (so named) Archbishop of Object. Canterbury director of M. Mason, and his directed scholar, perhaps will say, that although D. Sutcliffe, and too many others to be cited, and the said (so called) Archbishop himself, in and at other places and times, for their adnantage, and to serve their turn, do teach, & affirm as a matter of faith, that the Pope is Antichrist, no true Bishop, priest, or maker of such: yet in this their work ascribe to M. Mason, they confess the contrary, and therein they affirm that one of their pretended Consecrators, Barlowe, was a true Bishop and made by Roman, or true catholic Consecration, in the time of king Henry 8. And so in time of necessity such as their beginning was, might make a Bishop. Alas, I cannot tell, how to make Answ. answer to this objection, or rather petition; not for any difficulty▪ contained in it, But for fear of offence in speaking truth, and giving the lie to so many protestant Bishops, and Doctors, before so confidently telling us, they do not differ in any essential, or material point of Religion, such as this is. But put into this perplexity, I must use this Dilemma: if their first opinion, That the Pope is Antichrist, and cannot make Bishops, & priests, be true, than their pretended Bishops, and ministers claimed by his ordination, are not true, and lawful, but void, and invalidate: If their second opinion, contradictory to the first be true; that the Pope is not Antichrist, but the true Vicar, Priest, and Bishop of Christ, (as one or the other is most true) Then first (because it is not my nature to give it) they must take this infamous and notorious lie amongst them by their own judgement▪ Secondly as their brethren before have told them, they must confess, that the Pope of Rome, and 
Offer supr. pag. 16.  that church, and in them God and Christ Jesus' himself have had great wrong, and indignitis offered unto them; and that the protestant churches are schismatical, in forsaking the union, and communion with them. Thirdly, that their extremest and bloody persecutions against the sacred priests, and Catholics of England, have long time been, and still continued, are yet most barbarous and Antichristian.  
Fourthly, that they must do penance, and seek absolution of this (by his majesties Censure) their Mother church.  
Fiftly, they must still continue in this state, 
K. speech in parlam.  recanting their former false brave, and heresies, or else never to be credited hereafter. This is all the choice I can propose unto then, let them make their own election. And which soever they choose, this is their miserable and desperate case, that they have not now any one true, or lawful Bishop, or priest (except some few unhappy Renegadoes, from the Roman church) in England, by their own proceed. For if I should grant (which Mason proveth not) that Barlowe was a true Bishop, made in the time of king Henry 8 and a Consecrator of Matthew Parker, which so many their own testimonies before, deny; yet● M. Mason hath told us before, that his commission, power, and purpose was, to make him an Archbishop, according to the form of the protestant 
Mason sup. in consecrate. Matth. park.  statutes, which (as before) was only to give him false jurisdiction without order: And yet as I have proved by themselves, true jurisdiction maketh not a true and lawful Bishop. Secondly whatsoever is the Catholic opinion in making Bishops, and whether only one, or more consecrating Bishops, of necessity are required, (whereof we do not dispute) because their commission was only 
Stat. Henr. 8. of making Bishops stat. An. 1. Eliz. reviving it.  according to the form of their statutes; the statutes of king Henry 8. and Queen Elizabeth, (as before) required four Bishops, and so their practice is in all M. Masons pretended consecrations of, Yonge, Grindall, Packhurst, 
Mason in cons. of young, etc.  Cox, jewel, Pilkinton, Sands, Downame, Bentham, and the rest, though pretending to be only ordinary Bishops: But for Archbishops their statutes of necessity require four, and being repealed by Q Elizabeth. Thirdly M. 
Mason sup. council. Flor. in union.  Mason, and others grant, with the general Council of Florence, that nothing is so essential in true ordination, as the true and lawful form, and matter. And yet M. Mason, and his directors be witnesses, that Parker, by whom they all now claim, was so far from having the catholic true form, matter, and manner of consecration, That they plainly acknowledge, He was made and admitted far otherwise, and in different manner to all true 
Masonineons. of Matth. Park.  Archbishops of Canterbury before him, from S. Augustine's time, and our first Christianity.  
Fourthly, if by impossibility, against all those evidence, and without any Ritual, or Order at all (than all both ours and their own as before, condemned,) not one, or any part of any used, or lawful to be used, any man could be seduced to think, that in their beginning they had true Bishops, of them which had been made priests, by catholic consecration: yet because M. Mason, his 
Mason in consecr.  directors, and others, and their general practice assure us, that no man, not being a true and lawful priest, can possibly be made a Bishop, 
Stowe holinsh. hi●t. An. 1. Eliz. Articles of Relig. etc.  And both Barlowe, and all their other pretended Consecrators, were professed enemies to priesthood, sacrifice, and holy oblation for the quick and dead, and that form was condemned by their laws, and a quite contrary by statutes of king Edward, and Q. Elizabeth made, allowed, and ever since practised against it: these men, as I said, cannot possibly now have either true Bishop or priest among them, all such in probability dead long since.  
But M. Mason objecteth, that true priesthood 
Mason in consecrat. of priests.  is not sacrificing priesthood, nor given by such form, but by these words, Receive the Holy Ghost, whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven, Obiest. and whose sins you retain, they are retained. And so the Roman church ever retaining in consecration, those wo●des, as well as those of offering sacrifice for the living and dead, they still retained true priesthood, & the protestants by that title and means received it from them. I Answer him, this is but his new and singular invention; for D. Sutchffe speaking Answ. of our priests, hath these words: their priests are not called to preach and baptize●, but to 
Sutcliff. ag. D. Kell pag. 4. Field l. of t●e church etc.  sacrifice Christ's body and blood under the accidents of bread and wine, for the quick, and the dead. Like is the doctrine of the rest. And although we grant the former words of losing and binding, to be requisite to absolve from sins, yet neither we, nor protestants truly relating our doctrine, can call it, the principal act of priesthood, whereof we dispute, and which if it ●ee wanting, the secondary is not given. For proof of this M. Mason himself bringeth more testimonies, out of scriptures, councils, and fathers, than ever he, or protestants will answer. I must be brief, Therefore 
Mason in sacrific●. etc.  I urge him but upon these his grants. Christ was a priest after the order of M●lchizedech, and so was to offer sacrifice according to that Order, for as the Apostle saith, Every high priest is to offer sacrifice to God for the people, therefore he granteth, that Christ's body and blood, given or offered, to God, for the people, is a true sacrifice. Which Christ manifestly affirmed to be done, at his institution of this sacrifice, when he said▪ this is my body which is gi●en for you, my blood which is shed for you in remission of sins. Otherwise he had never performed the function of his priesthood, after the order of Melchisedech. Therefore seeing Christ's body was given, and his blood shed both for the quick & the dead, and we are priests after that order, we are by our priesthood to offer sacrifice for the people, because the Apostle saith every high priest, Archicireus, is to d●e it, and to be a priest and high priest, differ not in the priesthood, office, and sacrifice, but in the Archi, to be higher or lower, greater or less in dignity, and Christ offering his body, and blood, for the quick and dead, and giving power to those whom he made priests, to do that, which he then did, Hoc facite, do you this, which I do, priests also must needs have that power, and that power be the proper office of Holy priesthood. For at that time were the Apostles made priests, otherwise we do not find, where any power is communicated unto them, to be ministers of this so commanded, and recommended sacracrament. And otherwise S. Thomas not present, when the words of binding and losing, were spoken unto the Apostles, was not a priest in the doctrine of protestants, admitting nothing but scriptures in such cases▪ Neither can those words, whos● sins you forgive, they are forgiven, and whose sins you retain, they are retained, confer that power, which belongeth to priests, if they were not to offer sacrifice, but only to minister sacraments in the Religion of protestants, which do not teach, that either the priest or sacrament, but the faith of the Receiver forgiveth sins. And so essential it is to priesthood, to offer sacrifice, that those which in our languadge we call priests, sacrifice, and altar, be in other tongues, things inseparable, and Correlatives, both in name and deed, Thusiastis, Thusia, Thusiast●rion, sacrificer, sacrifice, and place where there sacrificer, or priest offereth sacrifice. Which inseparable connexion between sacrifice and altar, priest and sacrifice, D. Morton before acknowledgeth in these words. We cannot dislike t●● sentence of D. Reynoldes, concerning the mutual 
Morton App. pa. 16●. l. 2. ca 6. sect. 1. Reinolds confer. pag. 550.  Relation and dependence between an altar and sacrifice: But grant, that altar doth as naturally and necessarily infer a sacrifice, as a shrine doth a Saint, a father a son. And further these: Cardinal Bellarmine said truly, viz: sacrifice and preistood are Relatives. Therefore seeing Relatives be inseparable; priesthood and to offer sacrifice, cannot be divided, but inviolably united and conjected together. Therefore the holy general Council, denied such by these protestants before, defineth thus. The form 
Conc. Flor. in union.  of priesthood is this: Receive power to offer sacrifice in the church, for the living and dead, in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost. Neither is this by these protestants other doctrine, than was taught from the beginning, but it was ever so constantly and general taught in the church, that it was adjudged and condemned for heresy in Aërius to deny it. D. Felds' words thereof are these: Arius condemned the custom of the church, in 
Field p. 138 l 3. cap. 29. Couell exam. pag. 114.  naming the dead at the Alt●r, and offerringe the Sacrifice of Eucharist for them, for this his, ●ash and inconsiderate boldness, and presumption, in condemning the universal church of Christ, he was justly condemned. Therefore protestants have no priesthood, they are justly condemned for heretics, by their own censure, and the Roman sacrificing priesthood both by the present, and primitive universal church of Christ, is most holy. Which is further confirmed by these protestants authorities: first their allowed greek church censureth these: The doctrine 
Feild of that church Gennad. Scholar def. 5 c. 3. Field p. 238 Hull Rom. pol pa. 86. Middleton papistom p. 64▪ 45. 46. 51. 47. 48. 49. Relation of Religion. Casau. resp. ad Card. per p. 51. 52. etc.  of purgatory, prayer & sacrifice for the dead, was a tradition of the Apostles, equal with the word of God, as D. Feild writeth M. Hull saith, Leo, S. Leo, the Pope, appointed Masses for the dead. M. Middleton saith: It was a tradition of the primitive church received from the fathers, to pray for the dead, and beg mercy of God for them, the dead were prayed for in the public liturgies of Basile, Crisostome, and Epiphanius. And their Relator wittnesseth, that these Masses, and form of sacrifice, were public in the church. Therefore M Isaac Casaubon, calling yt the Religion of our king, and saying, he writeth by the king's command, and from his mouth, writeth these: neither is the king ignorant, nor den●eth, that the fathers of the primitive church, did acknowledge one sacrifice in Christian Religion, that succeeded in the place of the sacrifices of Moses law. D. Morton goeth higher, even to the Rabbins before Christ, granting with his friend 
Morton app. in sacrifice, etc. Morton app. pa. 395. l ●.  Theodore. Bibliander, that they taught this sacrifice of the Christians and called yt Thoda. And he addeth these: These testimonies of Rabbi Cahana, Rabbi juda, Rabbi Simeon, are such, if yet● they were such, that they make so directly for the Romish article of transubstantiation, that the most Romish Dostors for the space of almost a thousand years, after Christ, did not in so express terms publish this mystery to the world. They are more plain and pregnant for transsubstantion, then are the sayings of transsubstantiators themselves. 
pag. 396.  Hitherto, D. Morton. And therefore although I now dispute for a sacrificing priesthood, and external sacrifice, & not of transubstantiation, or what it is in particular, that being impertinent to my present purpose; yet because D. Covell with public allowance, before hath told M. Morton, that priests (to use 
Couell def. pag. 8●.  his words:) Have power imparted to them by God over Christ's natural body, which is himself, which antiquity doth call the making of Christ's body, it hath to dispose of that flesh, which was given for the life of the world: and that blood which 
pag. 105.  was powered out to redeem souls. And M. Casaubon granteth for our king, and their protestāns church, that the sacrifice offered by priests is Christ's body (to use his words) the same object, 
Casaub sup pag. 50. 51.  and thing, which the Roman church believeth Therefore, I say, because D. Morton acknowledgeth himself but an Alephbethorian in 
Mortōpr●ā.  Hebrew, not able to judge of those Rabbins, and I may not dispute, but by protestants, his f●end and fellow protestant Franciscus Starearus Hebraicae literaturae callentissimus, most excellent in Hebrew learning, as the Frank fort protestant allowers of those Rabbins name h●m, 
Praefat. prot in p. G●l. Frā●● fur●i An. 1602.  and they themselves are witnesses, do call those and other, testimonies of the Rabbins before Christ. Irrefragabilia testimonia: undeniable testimonies of the kingdom of Christ, that all men except mad against the Religion of Christ, might know the truth. Therefore by all kind of Testimonies in the judgement of these protestants, as scriptures, traditions, councils, the whole church of Christ, holy fathers, and the protestant proceed themselves, the sacrificing preistood of the Roman church, is 
Stat. An. 8. Eliz. cap. 1. Fox in Ed. 6. Regist. e●d. pereg. in land Reinol. Caluinot. Resp. lustit english minister's in state of treason, & protestāt●●n felony by their doctrine. Method. pataren. l. decret. ab init. Iams Manuscrip in Can●trig.  lawful, sacred, and most reverent: And the pretended english Bishops, made either by virtue of the Queen's letters patents or commission, as the words of the statute be, as king Edward made John of Alasco, or by the new toyeish book of ordination, or otherwise, and their ministry derived from them, is void, ridiculous, and usurped, none at all.  
But before I conclude this Chapter, because I marvel, more than urgent occasions moving me. with what colour of reason, or least show of common civility, this false, adulterate, unsacrificing pretended ministry foretold by that badge, of taking away the public sacrifice, and making them priests, that are mere lay men, by that Holy Bishop S. Methodius, about 1400. years ago warranted by M. james the protestant in his book of english manuscripts and do unconscionably persecute the church of Rome, especial the priesthood thereof, and yet claim & honour their pretended ministry from thence: I humbly crave leave of his Majesty, my most honoured Lords, and other temporal Rulers in authority, that as I have confuted the vain pretences of these men, and demonstratively proved by our greatest adversaries, the dignity of our most holy consecration; so in one protestant Argument, I may prove the absurdity, and peril of protestants claiming from Rome: And thus I argue: All men borne within this Realm or any other dominions under the Regiment of Queen Elizabeth 
An 27. Eli. cap. 2.  in the 27. year of her reign, and since the feastè of the nativity of S. John Baptist, in the first year of her reign made priests, deacons, or religious, or ecclesiastical parsons, made or ordained by any authority, power, or jurisdiction, derived, challenged, or pretended from the See of Rome, are Traitors and guilty of high treason: And every parson Wittnigly and willingly that receive, relieve, comfort, aid or maintain any such priest, deacon religious or ecclesiastical parson being at liberty, (as all saying service in their churches be) ●● to be adjudged a felon, without benefit of clergy, and suffer death lose, and forfeit, as in case of one attainted of felony: But all protestant english Bishops, and Ministers as their Doctors before have told us were so made, by authority, and power, and ordination derived, challenged, and pretended by them from the See of Rome; and above fi●e months since that feast of Saint John Baptist in the month of December following, when Matthew Parker their first protestant Archbishop was made their 
Sutcliff ag. ●●ll ●a. 4. 5.  Archbishop and first minister maker by authotie and power from the See of Rome, as D. Suttcliffe D. Feild, M. Mason, the present protestant 
Feild sup. Mason epi. ded. in consec of Matthew Park. An. 2. Elizab. etc.  Archbishop of Canterbury, his director Encourager, and others do testify: Therefore all english ministers by them be traitors: and all relivers, receivers, comforters, aiders, maintainers, or wittingly and willingly communicating with them, as their wives, children, all going to their service, or sermons, be felons, and to suffer death, lose and forfeit as in such case. Both propositions be confessed by these protestants for true, and undoubted; the first being the express words of their parliament, and highest commanding law, in the seven and twentieth year, of Queen 
Stat. an. 27. Eliz. cap. 2. Stat parla. 1. jacob. etc.  Elizabeth, and confirmed in the first parliament of his majesty. The second proposition, is the general doctrine of their protestant Archbishops, Bishops, and Doctors at this present, as is proved before. And if any man of singularity among them shall deny it: he incurreth the former inconvenience to desminister and unbishop all their so named english protestant Bishops, and ministers, and make them to be only by the making of a woman, Queen Elizabeth, which marred many but could make none, as these protestants have demonstrated before. If any man object; that all Object. such ordained priests, deacons, or ecclesiastical parsons, by taking the oath of supremacy, and living according to their protestant Religion, and laws in England, are excepted by special provision of that statute, and that the ministers of England taking that oath, when 
Book● of Ordin. in ord.. etc.  they are made deacons, as appeareth in their Ritual, of so named, consecration, and so strictly observing the protestant Religion that they persecute the contrary, are by this means exempted: I answer: there is no such provision, or exemption for such men, in that sta●u●●. But the exemption there, only concerneth, 
●eare.  and enfraunchizeth catholic priests, that then were come into England, and had the time of fourt●e days to departed, or such as should after come into England, and within three days, so (as they term it) conform themselves, and no others, for evidence whereof the very words of that provision and 〈◊〉, be these, that follow. Provided 〈◊〉 that this Ast shall not extend to any such Ie● 〈◊〉 ●eminariè priest, or other such priest, deacon 〈◊〉 Religeous, or ecclesiastical parson, as is before mentioned, as shall at any time, wit● in the said ●ourtie days, or within three days after that he shall hereafter come into this Realm, or any other her ●ighnes dominions, submit himself to some Archbishop, Bishop of this Realm, or to some justice of peace within the county, where he shall arrive or land, and do there upon truly and sincerely before the same Archbishop, Bishop, or such justice of peace, take the said oath set forth in Anno p●imo, and by writing under his hand confess & acknowledge, and from thence forth continue his due obedience unto highness' laws, etc. Hitherto the exemption of their law, which by no means possible can be applied to their english ministers, none of them being in either of those only two exempted cases. Therefore, neither by the laws of God, or this kingdom, it can be lawful to communicate with english ministers in their service, and Religion, without extreme, capital, and damnable peril, by their own testimonies, M. 
Speed Theat pag. 421.  Speed addeth all communicating with married priests, are excommunicated by general Council.   

The 3. particular Protestant Demonstration, for Catholics just recusancy, is: Because the not preaching of the word of God, a thing essential to the true church of Cbrist, in Protestant doctrine, is not among them, by their own testimonies.  
AND by this it is evident, that they have not the other two protestant Notes and properties, of the true church, preaching of the 
Articu. 19  puer word of God, and sacraments duly ministered in the congregation of faithful men: for as the sacraments cannot be duly ministered, wher● there be not due Ministers of them: so the puer word of God cannot possibly, lawfully, and truly be preached without preachers of it: for sacraments duly ministered, and due ministers of them, as also the word of God truly preached, and true preachers of it, be correlatives which mutuò se ponunt & aufferunt, come and go together, as logicians and reason teach us. Therefore S. Paul knowing how unpbssible a thing it is, for the truth of Christ's Gospel to be preached without preachers, and true ministers lawfully ordained & sent, expresseth it by this gradation, as these protestants themselves translate him. How shall they call on him, in whom they have 
〈◊〉. ca 10 vers. 14. 15.  not believed; and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? and how shall they preach, except they be sent? And thereupon these english protestants in their most authori●ed Articles, utterly disable all that are not lawfully called to thes functions, And D. Covell giveth a reason of it in these words: T●e church hath 
Art minist. in the congreg. art. 23 Covell exa. pag. 130.  no reason to hear their voice, whom Christ hath not commanded to feed his she●p●.  
Secondly there is made demonstration before, first in general, that all grounds and rules in divinity, scriptures, traditions, Popes, councils, fathers, etc. are against their doctrines and opinions: as also that in particular in every chief Article questioned between Catholics and them, they are in unexcusable error, by their own testimonies; therefore the pure word cannot be preached by them, their church consequently is not by their own definition, the true church, nor any hope of salvation to be had in their Religion: And so they are not to be communicated with in such business.  
Further I argue thus: no society or congregation of men having by their own confession, errors in matters of faith; to be rectified and amended, having erroneous conceits, desiring, se●king, or wanting reformation in matters of belief, can be said to have the pure word of God preached with them: But these english protestants by their own confession are in this state: Therefore▪ the pure word of God is not preached with them. The mayor proposition is evidently true: for as nothing is so undoubtedly true, as the word of God, which by no possibility can be untrue, and the pure word of God cannot be unpure and false: So errors in matters of faith to be rectified, amended, &c. cannot by any means be said to be pure, the word of God, or truth, but the quite opposite, unpure, the word of the devil a liar, and falsehood. The minor proposition is thus proved by these protestāns: first D. Willet is so absolute, that their english protestant church is erroneous and false in doctrine, that M. parks writeth of him in these words. M. Willet exclaimeth most bitterly 
Parks ag. limbo p. ●0▪ Covell exam. p. 212. 213.  against the protestants english church in the preface before his antilogy. D. Covell turning his speech to our king for Correction, hath these words. The church of England which l●et● prostrate at your grace's feet, desireth not to be● favoured in her errors, nor to have her corruptions warranted by authority. D. Wiliet telleth us it, 
Willet sup. & pag. 43. petition of 1000 etc. Answer of the university. King speech 19 mart. An. 1603.  hath erroneous conceits it hath errors in doctrine. The petition of the millinarie Puritans write how erroneous the english protestants church is, and far from having the pure word of God preached in it. And the two universities in their Answer, submit their Religion to be corrected or altered as the king pleased. And the king's Majesty himself in public parliament useth these word: I could wish from my heart, that laying wilfulness aside, we might meet in the midst. I would for my own part be content to meet them in the mid way, that all novelties might be renounced. These he testifieth of the english protestant Religion. And in the Conference at Hampton Court, as their Bishop Barlowe relateth it: concludeth this point as all the rest, that 
Conference pag. 47.  errors in matters of faith might be rectified and amended. Then if the king and whole protestant assembly, & all the rest concluded, that the errors in matters of faith might be rectified, etc. Their opinion was, that they had errors in matters of faith, and so not the pure word of God, which by no possibility can admit such errors: nor any one lest error at all in Religion.  
Again thus I argue: None that have been condemned about articles of faith, or as heretics by general council, have the pure word of God, or may be communicated with, in such religious things: but the english protestants are such, by their own, judgements: Therefore they have not the pure word preached, nor may be communicated with in Religion. The mayor proposition is▪ evidently true, and shall more lardgely be handled in my chapter, that these englsh protestants by their own testimonies are heretics, in the mean time D. Covell writing how we may not communicate with such men, doth thus define them. Heretics 
Couell exam. pag. 199.  are they, who directly gainsay some article of our faith, and are, or have been condemned, by seem general Council. The minor proposition, that our english protestants have been thus condemned by their own confession, not only by some one general Council, which this protestant D. alloweth for a lawful condemnation of men for heretics, but by many Cou●●●lls acknowledged by themselves for general, is proved by them before: And for this place their generally allowed Article shall suffice, set down in these words. General councils may ere and sometime have erred, even in things pertaining unto God, wherefore things ordained by them as necessary to salvation, have neither strength nor authority, unless it may be declared that they be taken out of Holy scripture. And how declaration with them in this point consisteth in their own private deduction (for they can never have any to be esteemed public against a public general) is thus testified by M▪ Wotton and the authorized privilege to this book; deduction from scripture 
Wotton def. of perk. pa. 467.  maketh a matter of faith. By which Rule, if private men may so censure general councils, there never was, or can be any heresy. Therefore by this doctrine in all probability the english protestants assuredly know how they have been condemned for heretics, and are as such to be avoided in communication of Religion. Otherwise they would not so extol private and fallible deduction, above the authority of general councils, to say that these may ere, and their private deductions are such warrant for them, that they should privilege a man to write in all their names in this manner: We acknowledge both and hold all matters▪ 
Wotton sup. pag. 467.  concluded logically out of the scriptures, to be the word of God, as well as if they were expressly set down in it, word for word●. And yet they generally teach, as before, that their church hath errors in doctrine, and that neither prince, nor any among them is free from error. Then 
Willet art. p. 43▪ 150.  no man is left to make these their pretended infallible deductions from scripture. Therefore the pure word of God neither is, nor by their writings, can be preached with them.  
Further I argue in this manner; Whatsoever is confidently taught, printed, and published, by men of Religion, is to be allowed and granted by all that acknowledge themselves to be wholly of the same Religion, with them, in all things essential: But the having of the pure word preached, though essential in Religion, is yet denied by these consenting protestants to be in their church: Therefore they must grant it is wanting with them. The mayor proposition is evidently true, otherwise they should not agree, but descent in essential things. The minor is thus proved by these agreeing protestants. M. jacob one of their agreeing protestants writeteh in these words: the protestants flock 
jacob Reas pag. 52. pa. 52. 53. jacob reas. episc. dedic. pag. 51.  of England cannot expect that heaven shall be opened unto them And thus further: The english protestant Religion diminisheth the honour, and dignity of Christ, impugneth the foundation of saving faith, and is contrary to God's word. And thus again: Christ's own ordinances necessary to be enjoyed for our soul's health, are wanting in England, t●ere is no ordinary means of salvation 
jacob exhor pag. 82. pag 79. 8:  to be had, in the english protestant Religion, every man wanteth the heavenly food, and preservative, appointed for us, of God, the english protestant church wanteth the ordinary means appointed of God, for salvation to every man Their agreeing protestant author of the book named Advertisement, sp●eking of the errors of their english 
Advertisement An. 1604. pag.  protestant church, writeth thus: Millions of millions run to eternal flames, Christianity is denied in England by public authority. Their 
Certain dem▪ An. 1605. p. 4●  thus well agreeing Author of certain demands hath these words: The protestant Religion of England cannot be kept without breach of the commandments. Therefore the pure word of God is not preached with them, their church not true, their Religion false, no salvation to be hoped with them, therefore no communion in Religion to be yielded unto them. And this is sufficiently granted by the protestant Bishops themselves, in their public Conference at Hampton Court, where their behaviour and confession was this, as the protestant Author of the first copy, joined to that of their Bishop Barlowes, setteth down in thes words: Canterbury, London, Winchester, fell down on their knees, and desired, that all things might remain, 
Conference at Hampton copy 1. annexed to B. Barlowes printed by Ihonwindet. Copy 2 sup  lest the papists should think we have been in error. And this is confirmed by a second protestant writer, and Copy of that conference in this manner: Bishops of Canterbury, London and Winchester making earnest suit, that all things might stand as they did, least the papists should take offence, who might say, we would perswad● them to come to a church having errors in it. Like is the testimony of a third 
Copy 3.  protestant Copy following in the same place. And D. Morton concludeth this matter with this general protestant Maxim, and ground in their doctrine: It is a general Maxim, there is none in the church, whose judgement is of infallible 
Morton Apol. part. 2. pag. 315.  authority. Then an other Maxim is, that the protestants church is erroneous, & hath not true faith, for every article of faith being revealed of God, is most certain & infallibly true.   

The 4. particular protestant demonstration, is: because english protestants by their own testimonies, want the due ministration of Sacraments: an other thing also essential to the true church, by their own Religion.  
AS I have proved in the former Chapter, that the protestants of England have not the pure word of God preached among them, because by their own testimony they have no true and lawful preachers: So I now demonstrate, that they have not the due ministration of Sacraments, because they want a true and lawful ministry, and sacred ministers to administer them: for where the due and right Actor and doer of a thing is not, the thing cannot be duly & rightly done, because every external Action is an emanation or doing of the effect from the agent.  
Secondly I argue thus: These protestants have not sacraments: Therefore not sacraments duly ministered. The consequence is evidently true: for where there is no action or thing to be done, there it cannot be either duly or unduly done; because it can by no ways be done. The Antecedent that these protestants have not sacraments, I thus demonstrate from themselves: for first they deny five of those seven which the Apostolic Roman church receiveth, only retaining two as they themselves affirm, that is Baptism, and the Lords supper as they name the most holy sacrament of the Altar. So that if but one of these two, is wanting with them, they cannot be said to have sacraments in the plural number, as their definition before containeth, but one only sacrament; and if that is either wanting with them, or not duly ministered by them, they have none at all duly ministered. Now that the blessed sacrament of the altar is wanting in their church, I thus demonstrate. First because as they acknowledge, it is to be celebrated by a lawfully consecrated priest, or minister, as some of them rather call him, it self being a sacrament of greatest consecration, and they have not any such consecrated priest or minister in their church; therefore this so sacred and consecrated holy sacrament, not being without such consecration and priest, is not in their church, and their bread and wine is no more a sacrament then that which in a tavern is feet on the table by the drawer of the wine.  
And for this present it is manifestly demonstrated by D. Covell, and his privileging protestants, who entreating of lawfully called & sacred church priests, or ministers hath these words: To these parson's God imparted power over 
Couell def. of Hook-pa. 87.  his mystical body which is the society of souls, & over that natural, which is himself, for the knittiuge of both in one, a work which antiquity doth call the making of Christ's body. And in an other book he writeth thus: The power of the 
Couell mod. exam. pag. 105.  ministry by blessing visible Elements, it maketh them invisible grace, it giveth daily the holy ghost, it hath ●o dispose of that flesh, which was given for the life life of the world: and that blood which was powered out tò rèdeme souls. Where we see a divine and miraculous consecration, and grace belonging to both these holy Sacraments, of Order to consecrate, and the most blessed Eucharist the body and blood of Christ to be consecrated: both which as is manifest, are wanting in the english protestants church, by their own both practice and writings. And to make this matter more evident, if it could be, and further confirm, that these men want this sacred Order and Sacrament of priesthood to minister this and the other sacraments, he writeth of it again in this manner. It is a power, 
Couell def. sup. pa. 87. 88 89. 91.  which neither prince nor potentate, king nor Caesar on earth can give. Ministerial power is a work of separation, because it severeth them, that have it, from other men, and maketh them a special Order, consecrated unto the service of the most high, in things, wherewith others may not ineddle. The Character of Order is an active power, which giveth an Ability, publicly to administer the sacraments. Then the pretended ministry of England, not being of this holy Order, as is proved from them before, hath no power to minister sacraments, especial this which consisteth in so holy consecration, which they not only want, but deny to be exercised.  
Therefore there remaineth but one Sacrament Baptism, which these protestants can by any semblance of reason make claim unto, & if this were granted, yet they are already by themselves condemned, not having either sacraments duly ministered, or sacraments how soever duly or unduly ministered, and so have no note of the true church by their own doctrine. But I will also show that by their own testimony they either have not this sacrament, or not duly ministered. And thus I argue by their doctrine. No ministering of Baptism by women, lay men, or any but a lawfully admitted minister is duly ministered: But with protestants in England lawful ministers do not baptise by their own testimony: Therefore Baptism with them is no true baptism, or not duly ministered by their own judgement. The mayor proposition is proved by his majesties Censure in their Hampton Conference, where their Bishop Barlowe speaking of three things to be then chiefly entreated writeth thus: The third was private baptism: if private 
Conference at Hampt. Court. pa. 8  for place, his majesty thought it agreed with the use of the primitive church: if for parsons, that any but a lawful minister might baptize any Where, he utterly disliked: and in this point his highness grew somewhat earnest, against the baptizing by Women, and laics The first of the other 
Copy 1 sup.  annexed protestant copies reporteth the King's speech, in this manner: He spoke bitterly against 
Copy. 2.  private Baptism, saying he had as live an ape as a woman should bapti●e ●●s child▪ The next protestant copy of that conference speaketh thus: The king concluded against private Baptism. By which it seemeth, that Baptism ministered by any but a truly and lawfully ordered priest, or minister was not Baptism: And then to prove the minor proposition, the english protestants of england have not true baptism. Because as is proved before, by their own writings, they have no true ministers. And so by their own public communion book, teaching, 
comm. book tit. publ. Baptism.  that none are admitted into the Church of Christ but by Baptism: the protestants of England by their own doctrine, are no Christians▪ Which absurdity to follow upon this doctrine, joined with the defect of their protestant ministry, may seem to have been perceived by D. Bilson their protestant Bishop of Winchester, for that protestant Author of 
Copy 1. of Conference sup.  the first copy writeth thus: The Bishop of Winchester said, that if h●● took away private baptism, he overthrew all antiquity.  
Further I argue thus: The protestants of England by their own testimonies to be used in the next chapters, and as appeareth also by them already, are heretics: therefore by their doctrie printed, their children are not to be baptised: And so by them there is no baptism private or not private among them because they only baptize children. The Antecedent is evident: and the consequent published 
Ormerod dialog. 1.  by M. Ormerod in these words: Children of heretics, and of such as by excommunication, are cut from the church, may not be baptized▪ Therefore by these protestant positions, no protestants in England being either to baptize, or be baptised, there is no Baptism among them, much less Baptism duly ministered, which is the point in question. And so not any one sacrament to give grace among them: therefore no marvel if so great & profane sins & impieties reign among them, as they testify hereafter.  
Further: whereas it is proved, that Christ instituted all those seven sacraments which be used in the Roman church, with their grace, matter, form, etc. these men do not retain any one, or not duly ministered by their own testimonies: Therefore no true church with them, nor spiritual communion to be had with them.  
To these I add this argument from themselves, so agreeing together in all material things such as sacraments be: no company where the sacraments be not, or not duly ministered, is the true church, or to be communicated within Religion: But the english protestant supposed church by their own testimonies, is such: Therefore it is not the true church, nor to be communicated with in Religion, the 
Articul. 19  mayor proposition consisteth of their public, and Authorized article of Religion.  
The minor is thus proved by these agreeing protestants, M. Ormerod relateth their sentence in these words: among the protestants, sacraments 
Ormer pict purit. l. 3. & dial 1.  are wickedly mangled, and profaned, yea and wickedly ministered. For confirmation whereof, their Bishop Barlowe hath thus written, by the testimony of their late Archbishop of Canterbury, and the Lord Chancellor before the king: The vicar of ●a●●sdale was proved before 
Conference at Hampton pag 99  the Lord Archbishop to deal bread out of a baskett for the communion, every man putting in his hand, and taking out a piece. The protestant Author of the book named, An abridgement 
Abridgement pag. 72.  of Lincoln diocese, writeth thus, of their publicly allowed practical of Religion; It appointeth sundry things, that tend directly to the profanation, of the holy sacraments, either by prostituting them to unworthy parsons, or administering them unreverently. And D. Willet the styled Professor of divinity, seemeth to be of the same opinion; And therefore coveteth to retain a name of a church unto them, though they have no sacrament at all, not baptism itself to be ministered in it: whereupon his words be these: It is erroneous to think that Baptisms 
Willet An till pa. 127.  and the church can not be separated.   

The 5. Demonstration, is: Because these protestants manifestly acknowledge, that their pretended church is not the true church of Christ.  
AND by this it is evidently demonstrated by these protestants against themselves, that so long time pretending to be ref●●ners of Religion, and church, they are now convinced by their own Testimonies, not to have the true church, but rather no church of Christianity at all. For wheresoever the pure word of God is not preached, the sacraments duly ministered and lawfully called ministers to do these things, there is not the true church, but rather no christian church at all: But as is proved by these english protestants such is their st●te and condition: Therefore they either have no christian church at all, or at the least no true church by their own confession. Therefore no spiritual communion to be had with them, both propositions are granted an● proved by theses protestants before, and further may be confirmed by these words of D. Feild for the ma●or proposition: There is and always hath been a visible church, 
Feild pa.▪ 21  and that not consisting of some fo●e scattered Christians, without order of ministry, or use of sacraments: for all this we do most Willingly yield unto, And again in this manner. In the 
Feild sup. pag. 25.  church of God is found an entire profession of the saving truth of God, Order of holy ministry, sacraments by virtue thereof administered, and a blessed▪ unity and fellowship of the people of God, etc. under the command of lawful pastors and guides. And again in his second book he 
Field l. 2. ca 2. p. 40.  maketh this a note unseparable: an union or connexion of men in profession, and use of sacraments, under lawful pastors. Therefore demonstration being made, by these protestants themselves, that their Church so termed by them, wanteth these things, which is the second proposition: The Conclusion that their Congregation or pretended church, is no church, or not the true church, is manifestly true: and so not to be communicated within Religion.  
Further from so well agreeing protestants in all essential things, as they teach us, I argue thus: No society or company of men affirmed by themselves, or men agreeing with them in all essential and material, points of Religion, to be no church or not the true church, can in conscience be taken and esteemed by others differing from them in Religion, to be the true church, and to be communicated with in sermons, service, Sacraments etc. But the english protestants are in this condition▪ Therefore they have not the true church, nor may be communicated with in such things. The mayor proposition is evidently true: for no testimony is greater to a man then his own judgement understanding, and conscience, and of others not differing, being an internal law and direction unto all men. The minor 
Couell def. of Hooke pag 65. 75, pag. 74. Couell exam. pag. 3▪ Ormerod pict purit. k. 1. Ormer dial. 1. Feild episc. dedicat. of the church Covell def. pa. 50. cont. Burg. p. 60. Wotton def. p. 442. etc. D. Abbotag Hill. p. 101. 102. 236. 237. 247. dove persu p. 32. mort. satisf p. 18. Sutcl. ag. kell pag. 42 i● ill. Antil. p. 15. Middl. pap. pa. 201 Wotton def.  is thus proved by these their so well agre●ng protestants themselves: whose sentence is thus set down by D. Covell in these words: The statute congregations of England ar● no true churches. And again in these terms: the protestant church of England is no church at all And further thus: the protestants of England have no form of a church. M. Ormerod likewise doth thus register their Censure. against themselves in this order: The protestant church is not the true church of Christ. And thus again: the protestant church in England is not the true church, it hath not so much as the outward face and show of the true church. Then because D. Feild with others assure us, there is no● part of heavenly doctrine more necessary in these days, then to know the church, and true sponse of Christ, and that there is no salvation, remission of sins, or hope of eternal life out of the church, This must needs be a most necessary, essential, and material point in Religion; otherwise nothing is, or can be necessary, essential, or material, wherefore seeing their protestant Archbishop of Canterbury their protestant Bishop of Peterborough, their Doctors Morton, Sutcliffe, Willet, Wotton, Powell, Middleton, and all protestants as they teach, do hold that they all agree in every essential point, & none but papists and liars affirm the contrary, and no Goliath can prove it, they all agree and must conclude, that the protestants have no church, 
p. 28. Cou●ll ag. apologet. epist. pag. 48. 52. etc.  or not the true church: And so no spiritual communion is to be had with them.   

The 6. particular protestant demonstration, for Catholics just recusancy, is: Because English protestants by their own testimonies, are heretics, and most notorious heretics.  
FURTHER I proceed in this matter, with this demonstration: no society, company, or fellowship of men, that by their own testimonies, or heretics, may be communicated with in spiritual things: But these english protestants are such: therefore not to be communicated with, in such business. The mayor proposition is thus proved by these protestants. Their Bishop D. Dove writeth thus: This proposition no heretics nor schismatics are 
Dove persuas. pag.  to be communicated withal, is undoubtedly true, because it is grounted upon scripture. Tit. 3. joh. ●p.. 2. Rom. 16. M. Hull teace by many examples 
Hull Rom. pol. p. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34. Ormer. pag p. 51. powel cons. pag. 8. in concls. Sutcl. exam of petit p. 9  and testimonies of scriptures, and antiquity in this manner: We may not communicate with heretics and men of a divers Religion. M. Ormerod is of the same opinion, M. powel writeth thus: With Idolaters & heretics▪ good men ought to have no● communion. D. Sutcliff handleth this point more at large: and first citeth the Loadicean council can. 31. 32. 33. which doth directly condemn communion▪ with heretics, either in Marriage or in prayer. And he further speaketh thus: The fourth council of Cathage cap. 70. forbiddeth clergy men all festing and fellowship with heretics and schismatics: Alsoe against communion with such people he citeth these scriptures. Deuter 13. Psal 16. Deut. 16. Deut. 29. 
Sutcl. sup. pa. 5. 6. 7. 8.  Zephan 1. Matth 7. Matth. 16, Gal 5. Apocal. 2. numb 16. joshua 23. 2. Corinth. 6. And calleth even the toleration of any false heretical▪ Religion, repugnant to R●asons of Religion, and holy scriptares. He telleth further: such communion is reproved by the authority both of the fathers of the church, and of ancient christian Emperors. For fathers he citeth S. Athanasius, Gregory Nazianeen, 
sup. pa. 10. 11. cap. 3.  Hierome, Augustine, Ambrose, Irenaeus, Dionysius, Heraclas, Optatus of Melevit. And addeth thus: Eusebius l. 7. hist. c. 6. by the authority of Dyoninisius and Heraclas, proveth, that such as converso with heretics are excommunicate. For Emperors he allegeth the degrees of these primitive 
pag. 11.  christian Emperors, Constantine, Gratian, Valentinian, Theodosius, Arcadius, Honorius, Martianus, and justinian. And to conclude, that all protestants will seem to be of the same opinion, the protestant Author of the book 
Abridgement An. 1605. pag. 18.  named Abridgement of a book of the ministers of Lincoln diocese, writeth thus: By the judgement of the godly learned of all churches, and ages, who have constantly taught and given testimony to this truth, that Christians are bound to cast of the ceremonies, and religeous customs of pagans, jews, Idolaters and heretics and carefully to shun all conformity with them. And for this 
Sup. pa. 18. 19 20. 21. 22. 23.  avoiding of communion, he citeth the first general council of Nice, Augustine, Tertullian, Pope Melchiades, Ambrose, Gregory the great, S. Le●, the church of Scotland, Oecolampadius, Caluin, Bucor, Musculus, Peter martyr, Beza, Zanchius, Pezelius, Mollerus, Szeg●dinus, Danaeus, Michabaeus, Zepperus, Wigandus, M. Rogers, the lat● Queen's injunctions, her Canons, Bishop I●w●ll, B. Pilkinton. B. Westphaling●, Bilson, D. Humphrey, D. Fulke, D. Andrewes, D. Sutcliffe, and other protestants. So that we see, by these men, that this is only the doctrine of the primitive councils, father's Emperors and the present catholic church, but generally of protestants themselves.  
The second proposition, that these protestants are heretics, is directly proved before by their own writings: for men obstinately setting up, and maintaining against their lawful superior, and commanding Authority, a congregation of men wanting true preaching of the word of God, due ministration of sacramen, and an intruded and usurped ministry, as by their own testimonies they have long tive done, and still do, must needs be heretics. For thus they define heresy: Heretics 
Couell ex●▪ pag. 202. Ormerod dial. 2.  are men obstinately erring in some fundamental point. Such as these be by their own doctrine before. And these again: He is an heretic, which so● swerveth from the wholesome doctrine, as contemning the judgement both of God, and the church, persisteth in his opinion, and breaketh the peace of the church. As these men have long time done in the highest degree and so still persevere.  
Secondly, as I have also proved before, D. 
Couell exam. pag. 199.  Covell writeth thus: Heretics are they, who directly gainsay some article of our faith. & are, or have been condemned by some general Council. But these protestants are in this state condemned, as they have acknowledged in divers such articles, by divers councils which they writ and testify to be general, as the second Nicene Council, the Council of Florence, Constance Laterane and others, and not in some one article of faith, though that by their recited definition were sufficient to make them heretics, but in all or the chiefest articles of their Religion, and yet not only obstinately they defend their Errors against these allowed general councils, and the whole Catholic church, but most unchristianely and heretically have in their subscribed article condemned these their lawful judges, to have erred in those 
Articu. 19  things: which is the greatest and most notorious act of heresy, that can be, and such as destroyeth all true Religion. Therefore by their own Censure they are notorious heretics, & not to be communicated withal, in matters of Religion.  
Thirdly I suppose in this place briefly, which these protestants before have testified at large, that they all agree in fundamental points, without variance at all, And that definition of heresy by them before, Heretics are men obstinately erring in some fundamental 
Couell exam. pag. 202.  point: And I argue these: whosoever by themselves, pretended to agree in all fundamental, essential and material things, are yet by themselves often censured, denounced and adjudged to be heretics, are to be esteemed for such, and not to be communicated with in Religeous things: But these english protestants by their own Censures and judgements are in this condition: Therefore to be esteemed, and in spiritual communication to be avoided as heretics. The mayor proposition is evidently true: for as the christian philosopher writeth: Satie firmum argumentum est, etc. That argument 
Lactant firmian. Insti. l. 4. de vera sap. cap. 12.  or evidence that is given of the enemies themselves, is strong enough to prove the truth: for no man will deny that, which both friends and opposites affirm. The minor proposition, that english protestants by their own censures are heretics is proved by them in this order. D. Willet writeth in these words: protestants 
Willet apud Parkesp. 20  have set a foot strange novelties, & paradoxes; whirl pilt points, bubbles of new doctrine, strange and unsound positions, contrary to the scripture. Therefore by their doctrine, heretical; and they be heretics, which M. parks 
Parks ag. limb. inpref sup. ep. ded. Ormer. dial. 2. Ormer pict pur. intitul Ormer. dial. 1.  speaking of them plainly testifieth in these words: they have pestilent heresies. And again: They are heretical, and sacriledgeous. M. Ormerod writeth of these so well agreeing▪ protestants in this manner; They are in the compass of heresy. And again; They do resemble the Anabaptists, condemned heretics, in above sourescore several things. And further these; They join sundry things with the Pharisees, apostolics, Aerians, Pepusians, Petrobusians, Florinians, Cerinthians, Nazarens, Beguardines, Ebionites, Catababdites, Catherists, Iouinians, etc. All which be condemned heretics, both by this man's, & other protestants judgement. And he addeth further in these words: there was scarce heresy invented 
Ormer. dial. 2.  by ol● heretics which they have not joined in, revive and renew with fre●h and new colours. Therefore by their own testimony they are heretics; if heretics, or notorious heretics be heretics.  
Again I argue in this manner; whosoever are obstinate in their errors, being such, that strike at main points of faith, shake the foundation itself, heaven and hell, the divinity, humanity, and the very soul, and salvation of Christ, are to be avoided as heretics; But these english agreeing protestants, by their own writings, are such; Therefore to be avoided as heretics. The mayor proposition is evidently true. The minor proposition is thus proved by M. parks, who in his book dedicated to their late Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft writeth of these agreeing protestants in these words: They are head strong, and hardened in 
Parks ●pist, dedic.  error, they strick at main points of faith, shaking the foundation itself, and calling in question heaven and hell, the divinity and humanity, yea the very soul and salvation of our Saviour himself. Therefore heretics by their own testimony.  
Further I argue thus; whatsoever pretended Religion, doth sow serve from the holy scriptures, and Gods commandments, that it cannot be kept without breach of them, and is so notoriously impious, that by those of their own profession, and accounted godly among them, it hath been accounted to have no laws, no good order, no discipline etc. is heretical; But the english protestant Religion by their own confession, is such: Therefore heretical, and not to be communicated with in spiritual things. The mayor proposition is manifestly true. And the minor is thus proved by these protestants themselves. The english protestant author of the book named certain demands, writeth in these words: the protestant 
Cert. demands An. 1605. p. 42. Ormer pi●● pur. c. 3.  Religion of England cannot be kept without breach o● the commandments. M Ormerod writeth thus: it hath been conceived by godly men in foreign countries, that the english protestants have no laws, no good orders, no discipline, but that every man may do what he list. Therefore if their own godly brethren in Religion, and by their own Relation, as he there reproveth, have thus conceited of them, it will be pardonable in Catholics to think of them as themselves do and report; and so we may not communicate with such heretics; especially when D. Covell again writeth the like in this 
Covell des. of Hooker pag. 24.  manner; The beginnings, the proceed, & the end of them, both in England and Scotland, serve to this end, that order may cease. Therefore they are heretics.  
And to pass over this general state of heresy, whereof they are thus manifestly convicted, by their own testimony, I will briefly set down, how by their own confessionalsoe, they are guilty of divers other particular, and singular heresies, errors, and paradoxes in Religion, suffered, allowed, and maintained among them; and so consequently for that cause also not to be communicated with in matters of Religion; some of them be recorded or maintained by these protestants. M. Ormerod setteth down one of their doctrines in 
Ormer dial. 1.  these words; children of heretics, and of such as by excommunication, are cut from the church, may not be baptised. By which opinion joined with their other protestant doctrines before, the children of all protestants must needs be damned, because there is no salvation without baptism. Their Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson 
Bilson suru p. 541. 552.  writeth these; I do not find any scriptures that allow the Saint's deceased, the same place of glory, where Christ now is at the right hand of God, in the highest heavens, till the last day come. Then if no scriptures teach it, protestants receiving no other rule, cannot believe it, and so by D. covell's sentence; they dissolve that communion 
Couell ag. Burg. p. 90.  of Sainsts, which we profess to believe as an article of God's truth. The doctrine of Christ's descent into hell is an article of our Creed, & the protestants censure puritans for heretic; for denying of it; yet M. Ormerod a professed writer against puritans condemning them of many heresies teacheth this doctrine; The beleeso 
Ormer. dial. ●. Ormer. pa. ganot. pag.  of Christ descending into hell, to fetch prisoners thence, is like the fable of Hercules, greing to hell to fetch thence Theseus, Pirothous and Cerberus. Thus he hath written with public applause and privilege, of this Article of our faith. Therefore M. parks setteth down their protestants 
parks p. 92  opinion herein in this manner; Christ's descent into hell is no Article of our Creed, but an intruded fable, a patch which some Cobbler, or patcher, patched to the Creed; it is against the Analogy of our faith, it engendereth many inconveniences, many absurd opinions frivolous fables, and fantastical visions. The common opinion of protestants in their arguments against transubstantiation, & Christ's real presence in the blessed sacrament, of the altar, is that, the true natural properties of a body cannot be separated from it. Yet M. powel with privilege writeth thus: The 
powel de Antich pa. 499.  body of Christ after his resurrection had not the natural properties of a body. Then by thei● doctrine it was not a true body, and so no true resurrection, and that article of our Creed also is publicly denied: and so there is no resurrection of the body, as followeth by S. Paul's doctrine and reasoning thus, by their own translation: if Christ be not risen, them is our preaching 
1. Corint. 15 v. 14. 17. 18.  vain, and your faith also is vain, and if Christ be not raised, your saith is vain, you are yet in your sins. And so they which are a sheep in Christ, are perished. And so there is no Resurrection, of the body no immortality of the soul by this doctrine, for a thing perished is not, but hath ceased to be. Therefore M. parks writeth of these protestant as before: they strike at main points of saith shaking the 
parks. epi. dedic.  foundation itself, and calling in question heaven and hell, the divinity and humanity yea the very soul and salvation of our saviour himself. And to make it apparent that they generally give way to all infidelity; The same M. powel highly commended by D. Sutcliffe, writeth thus, with public approbation; it is no more certain 
powel pref. l. de Antic●.  that God is in heaven, Creator of visible & invisible things, and jesus Christ the tru● m●ss●●●, then that the pope of Rome is the great Antichrist and the papal church the synagogue of Antichrist. But I have made evident demonstration before, by their own testimonies, that it is so far from truth, or appearance thereof, that the pope is Antichrist, or the papal church his synagogue, that they have proved that church to be the true church of Christ, and the Pope to be the true lawful vicar of Christ, supreme head of his holy catholic Church, on earth; and to whom all Christians in the world do owe obedience in religious business. Therefore these protestants by their own published and privileged writing have denied God; And Christ jesus is not the true Messiah by their doctrine. Then no marvel though D. Feild D. Willet 
Field l. 3. e 3 p. 139. will Antil. p. 13. Po●ell l de Artichrist. p. 494 etc. apud parks pa. sect. 23.  M. powel and others deny the virginity of our lady (for shame I omit their unseemly word●) and others writ: David is still in hell to this day: when they teach that Christ delivered none from thence, neither is the Messiah. Yet other protestants set all men at liberty, to believe, and live as they list, to be turks, jews, pagans, or whatsoever, for they shall all be saved, not withstanding by Christ whom they have these dishonoured and denied; The words of the protestant Author of the book called Survey, etc. be these; The english protestants 
Suru. of con. B pa. 119.  teach that Christ hath actually and effectually redeemed all men whatsoever. Therefore by them all men turks, jews, pagans, etc. must needs be saved; because an act, and effect acted and effected, cannot be unacted or uneffected. M. Wotton seeing how other protestants had overthrown the: law and Religion of Christ, laboureth for himself likewise to evacuate the promise to Abraham, and the law of Moses, and leave all mankind in original sin contracted from Adam and writeth thus; Circumcision was not provided for remedy of original 
Wotton def. of perk. pag. 447.  sin, any more than for actual, neither did it remedy the one or the other. The like heresies, and detestable errors publicly printed, and privileged among them, as also their Authors, and maintainers are too many to be alleged, therefore to give some conjecture of the rest I will propose one Doctor and Professor of divinity in their church, a man highly commended in protestants judgement, who to omit all other his books and erroneous places in them, in one only place of his publicly warranted and privileged antilogy. This professor Doctor Willet writeth thus: tyndall's 
Willet Antil. pag. 203  opinions are sound & good doctrine as he propounded them, and M. Fox maintaineth them. Some of them as they were propounded by Tyndall 
Fox to, 2. mon. in Tyndall first edition.  and maintained by Fox do follow in these words: The law maketh us to hate God. It is unpossible for us to consent to the will of God. The law requireth unpossible things of us. Speaking of man he speaketh thus: Christ is in thee, & thou in him, knit together unseparably, neither cast thou be damned, except Christ be damned with thee: neither can Christ be saved, except thou be saved with him. Every man is Lord of other men's goods. I am bound to love the Turk with all my might, and power, yea and above my power. There is no work better than an other, to please God, to make water, to was he dishes, to be a souter, or an Apostle all is one, to wash dishes, and to preach is all one touching the deed to please God. To worship God otherwise, then to believe that he is Just, and true in his promises is to make God an I d●ll God moved the hearts of the Egyptians to hate the people, likewise he moved kings. Paul was of higher Authority than Peter. If S. Paul were alive I would compare myself to S. Paul, and be as good as he. The children of faith are under no law. God bindeth us to that which is unpossible for us to accomplish▪ sin cannot condemn us. So long as the Successors of the Apostles were persecuted, and martyred, there were good christian men, and no longer. All these and other such damnable positions are maintained in one place of this protestant Doctor's book dedicated to his majesty, appointed to be written by their Archbishop D. Bancroft, and published with common privilege. Whereupon, and from such like proceed the protestant Author of the book named Advertisement, speaking of the errors of this their english protestant Religion, writeth thus: Millions of millions run to eternal flames. Christianity is denied in England by 
Advertisement. An. 1604.  public Authority. Of other their heresies, hellish errors, and damnable devices, against the authority Regal, and civil power of Princes▪ and such moral affairs, I will entreat hereafter, in the mean time I add these protestant positions, registered by M. Ormerod in these 
Ormerod. dial. 1.  words: All sins are equal it is as great a sin, to do any servile work upon the sabbath day, as to do murder, and commit adultery, it is as great a sin, to throw a boul● on the sabboath day, as to kill a man. It is as great a sin to kill a man's cock, as to kill his Servant.  
Their Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson setteth 
Bilson Suru. pag. 467.  down other their strange errors in this manner: the protestants clear not Christ from sin, it was rife in the pulpits, and usual in Catechisms, that the death of Christ jesus on the 
Bills. pr●f. sup.  cross, and his blood sh●dd for the remission of our sins, were the least cause, and mean of our Redemption. And reciting further these protestants 
p. 466. 474. & def. pag. 126 122. Bilson sup. pa. 490 def. p. 134. Bills. p. 496. 486. def pa. 131. 136 Bills. p. 497. 503. def. pa. 137. 138. Bills. p. 515. def. pa. 141. Bills. p. 517. def. pag. 142. Parks epis. dedicat. & pag. 139. & sect. 20. Powell l. de diaphor. ep. delicate. Parks apol. epist. dedic.  doctrines, thus relateth them: Christ's will was contrary to Gods will. Christ in his agony knew not Gods will. Christ was forsaken both in body & soul. Christ suffered hell Torments. Christ suffered the pains of hell▪ Christ suffered the death of the soul. the death of the soul is such pains and sufferings of God's wrath, as always accompany them that are separated from the grace and love of God. God did forsake Christ. Thus our most blessed Saviour, Redeemer of mankind, & consequently, both Christians, and all mankind is damned with him by these blasphemous protestāns. M. parks hath told us that: the parson of Christ is profanely & irreligeously spoken of, the scripture is falsefyed to fasten blasphemy upon Christ, heaven & hell, the divinity & humanity, yea the very soul and salvation of Christ our Saviour himself, is called in question. M. powel hath published with public allowance in his book printed by Robert Barker the king's printer, this doctrine: To hold that Christ was a law maker is an insolent pseudographema false scripture. M. parks again complaineth thus: The Creed itself which hath always been the very badge and Cognizance, whereby to discern and know the faithful from unbelievers, Christians from heathens, and Catholics from heretics, is the main point in question. Which is confirmed by their Bishop Barlowe in his sermon before the king 
Barl: ●erm. septem. 21▪ An 1606.  in these words: The whelps of those beasts are multiplied with us in England, of which S. Paul speaketh (1. Cor. 15. 32.) which made a lest of the soul's immortality, and the body's resurrection. Therefore seeing these be the most material, 
D. George Abb. against D. Hill p. 101.  essential and fundamental points in Religion: and their present protestant Archbishop hath peremptorily told us.: protestants and puritanes did never differ in any point of substance, we all join in all material points of salvation, and no Goliath against us can prove the contrary. And 
Powell ag. epis. apol. pag. 52.  M. powel saith: He lieth which saith they differ in substantial points: they are all guilty of these heresies.   

The 7. particular protestant demonstration for Catholics just recusancy, is: Because English protestants by their own writings are schismatics.  
FURTHER, that these english protestants are schismatics, and so by that title also, not to be communicated with in spiritual things, is manifest, by that which is written before; and more directly in this order following. No schismatics are to be communicated with in Religeous matters: But the protestants of England by their own testimonies, are schismatics: Therefore not to be communicated with in such business. The mayor proposition is evidently true, and before granted by these protestans, for this time I will therefore only cite their Bishop, of Peterborough D. Dove his words be these. This proposition, no heretics nor schismatics are to be communicated 
Dove persuas pag.  withal, is undoubtedly true, because it is grounded upon scripture, etc. The minor proposition, that english protestants be schismatics, is proved by this their own definition of Schism, published by D. Feild in this manner: Schism is a 
Field l. 3. c. 5. pa. 70.  breach of the unity of the church, the unity of the church consisteth in three things. First the subjection of the people to their lawful pastors. Secondly the connexion and communion which many particular churches, and the pastors of them have among themselves: Thirdly in holding the same Rule of faith Then, if Schism is a breach of the unity of the church, and this unity consisteth in three things, and so by breaking any of them, Schism is contracted; if I shall but only prove, they have broken this unity in one, they are proved schismatics by their own proceed. But to prove them to be in the highest degree of Schism, I will make demonstration, that they are guilty in breaking all these unities. And first concerning their first unity of subjection to lawful Pastors: I argue thus. At the beginning of protestancy either the pastors of the Roman church namely the Pope, when they revolted from him were true pastors or not▪ if they were not, than their pretended ordination and Episcopalitie from thence is void, if they were their true pastors, than they are schismatics for their revolt and disobedience unto him.  
Secondly I prove it thus: every church not claiming to be supreme, the superior, mother, or commanding church, and yet submitting itself and obedient unto none, is schismatical: for not to obey a lawful superior Pastor, is schism, and their Bishop Barlowe hath told us before, that majority of Bishops is 
Barl. serm. Sept. 21. 1606.  an apostolical tradition, in all the world, enacted for succeeding posterity, a canon or constitution of the whole Trinity: Therefore the english protestant church never claiming this majority above others, and yet obstinately repugnant and disobedient to that, which ever had this majority, which as is proved by them before is the Roman church, must needs be schismatical.  
Thirdly D. Feild and these his protestants 
Field l. 4. ●●. 5 p 202.  have assured us: That among those different degrees of obedience, which we must yield to them, that command and teach us in the church of God, we must more especially respect the church of Rome▪ then Catholic Doctors, the authority of catholic Bishops, or other churches though apostolic. Therefore the english protestants so wilfully and maliciously disobedient and contumelious unto it, are schismatics by their own judgement.  
Secondly concerning his second unity, whose breach maketh Schism, and is as he saith, The connexion and Communion which many particular 
Field l. 3. pag 70. sup.  churches and pastors of t●●m▪ have among● themselves: The english protestants have not communion, or connexion with any either true or pretended church in the world, in their chiefest points of connexion, communion, or coordination, as namely in their pretended Bishops, and the manner of making them, in ruling their congregation, in the temporal prince's supremacy, etc. Therefore by breach of this unity also they are schismatics, by their own Rule. For Confirmation whereof D. Covell setteth down the doctrine of other protestant churches in these words: there is no● 
Couell def. of Hook pa. 33.  church where the government by elders, or presbytery wanteth, this being as essential as either the word or sacraments. And the protestant Author of the book called Survey writeth thus: The 
Suru. of comm B. pag. 24.  english churches differ from all other reformed churches▪ That they differ from the Roman and all other churches they willingly acknowledge, therefore they are schismatics by their own Censure. For here we see, that there is no true and real connexion and communion of the english protestant congregation or pretended Pastors, Bishops or ministery with any either true or pretended church, catholic or protestant, reform or not reform pastors, presbytery, or whatsoever they will term them, in all the world. And by this also it is evident that they are schismatics by breaking the third protestant unity, In holding the same Rule of faith: for these english protestants agreeing with no other church, true or false in the Rule of faith as before, must needs be schismatics also by this title And so most notorious in this offence of schism, having obstinately dissolved all christian unities, by their own confession.  
Further I argue thus: whosoever by maintaining their sect or faction in Religion, are forced to such absurdities, that by the testimonies of their own Brethren in Religion, they make themselves and all of their doctrine to be schismatics, are to be esteemed such: But the english protestants are in this case: therefore schismatics by their own sentence. The mayor proposition is evident: And▪ the minor also proved by them before: and now briefly in this manner: The protestant authors of the offer of Conference, supposing that the english parliament protestants will defend their proceed as they do▪ writ in these words: They cannot see how possibly, by the Rules of divinity, 
Offer of Conference pag. 11.  t●e separation of our churches from the church of Rome, and from the Pope supreme head thereof can be justified. Then by their own Rules before, they are schismatics which the same protestants protest expressly in this manner. They protest to all the world that the Pope and the church of Rome, and in them God and Christ 
sup pag. 16.  jesus himself, have had great wrong and indignity offered unto them; and that all the protestant churches are scismatic●ll in forsaking unity and communion with them. Which is further confirmed by an other of their reformed brethren though writing somewhat later than my six years limitation, who speaketh in this order: As we have said unto you called Brounists, so 
Declaration of the mystery of iniquity An. 1612. pag. 156.  we say to England, and to the presbytery holding of the Pope and that profession as you do●; Then have you of England and all the nations of the earth sinned greatly to separate from Rome, in that you were all of one body, and members one of an other, and being believers in Christ jesus, they are your brethren, and ought not to separate from Rome as you have done. If you of England and the presbytery and you called Brouni●●s did make any conscience to walk by the Rules of Christ's ●erein, you ●ould not wal●e towards Rome as you do.  
Again I argue in this manner: whosoever are, ●ither by themselves, or others that be in their opinion learned, and consenting with them, in all essential and material points, condemned and censured to be schismatics, are to be adjudged, and avoided as such, in spiritual communications; But these english protestants both parlamentaries and puritanes are in this state; Therefore to be as such adjudged and forsaken in Religeous communications. The mayor is evidently true; because to be in Schism which excludeth forth of the true church, out of which by these protestants before, there is no hope of salvation, is a point both material and essential in Religion. The minor proposition is proved by these protestants, and puritanes, mutually condemning themselves, & their essentially agreeing brethren, to be schismatics. First their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft, then of London, in their public Conference before the king calleth them schismatics; it is thus recorded for action, by their Bishop Barlowe, in these words: 
Conference at Hampton Court p. 26.  The Bishop of London kneeling down, most humbly desired his majesty, that the ancient Canon might be remembered, which saith that Scismatici contra Episcopos, non sunt audiendi. schismatics are not to be hard against Bishops. M. Ormerod speaketh of them in this manner: 
Ormer. dial. 2.  They persever in inveterate and old Schism, which by the ancient fathers and protestants also maketh heresy. Therefore protestants are both schismatics and heretics. M. powel himself 
Powell cons pa 11. 16 19 pag. 25. 35. 48. 52.  a puritan writeth thus of them: They are schismatical, they are in schism, th●●r ca●e is schismatical, they have fanatical giddings, Schisms, factions and innovation, th●● are so●ers ●f sedition. schism and faction, they are schismatics, they are guilty of schism M▪ parks calleth them schismatical, heretical and sacriledgeous, they are 
Parks Apol ●pist. ded.  headstrong in Schism and hardened in error. How the puritan protestants, upon the grounds of our english protestants have condemned all protestant churches to be schismatical against the church and Pope of Rome, is related before, and the protestant author of the 
Cert. consid An. 1565. ●p. dedicat.  book named certain considerations, giveth this testimony: The protestants of England sin against God in their proceed, their Religion is seditious, a sect, Schism, it is much like to an evil herb or we●de, which if it be not speedily rooted up, but suffered to spread, will soon overspread the gardons of God wit● vice, and impiety, as there will scarce be● any room left for virtue and piety. And D. Covell a man of best temper in writing among them, speaketh thus of 
Couell ex●●. pag. 139.  their english protestants; The schisms and divisions amongst us have made a number renounce their office. Then if the protestant Ministers themselves have thus observed themselves to be in Schisms, and thereupon renounced their office and communion, Catholick● may not now begin to communicate with them, thus by themselves condemned for schismatics.   

The 8. particular protestant demonstration, for Catholics just recusancy, is: Because the public protestant Service, at which they refuse to be present, and communicate in, is false, heretical, justly condemned and damnable by their own doctrine.  
NOw to come to their pretended church service itself, at which, because Catholics most justly as before, refuse to be present, and for such recusancy or Refusal, are most unjustly and above the measure of punishment of the greatest and notorious sins, excepting treasons and matters of state, punished and afflicted, being contained in that their so called Communion Book or Book of common prayers, I argue thus. No man may communicate with Heretics and schismatics, especially in prayers and public service, not only invented and used, without the allowance of the true and lawful pastors, but directly opposite and repugnant to the highest spiritual authoritle, and jurisdiction: But the english protestants by their own testimonies before, are in this case: Therefore not to be communicated with in such prayers and service.  
Secondly I argue thus: no new devised order of prayer devised by, consorting unto, and in itself containing and approving a Religion contrary to holy scriprures, both the written and unwritten word of God, general councils, decrees and doctrine of the primitive Popes, and fathers, and to all churches of Christendom, both present, and heretofore, derogatory both to the triumphant, militant, and patiented church of Christ, where ●ll sacraments and instruments of grace either are absolutely denied, o● so unduly and profanely used, that all gr●ce by them is taken away from the living, from them that die, from Clergy, from laity, for the married, unmarried, old, young, Rich and poor, and where there is not true ministry, nor church to have any hope of salvation in, may be communicated withal, especially if these most grievous and enormeous absurdities and inconveniences be proved and made apparent by the chief professors themselves of such a supposed Religion: But the lamentable case and condition of these english protestants as is demonstratively proved by them before, is such, as is her recited: Therefore their service not to be communicated with, under most damnable and desperate sin.  
Thirdly I argue in this manner: whatsoever service, rite of sacraments, or fashion of prayer was condemned by the best learned protestants of England, Scotland, France, etc. to be foolish trifelinge, and by reason apparent, to be disallowed, and yet was devised, and allowed by the only authority of an unlearned child, king Edward 6. and Queen Elizabeth a woman, not only repugnant unto the public approved office of our mother and commanding church, the church of Rome, but different from the custom of all protestant churches, may not be communicated withal: But the english protestant Service and book of common prayer is such, by these protestants themselves: Therefore by them not to be communicated with. The mayor proposition is evidently true: for the service that should be so received by any particular and not commanding church (as the english is not, against) the use, order, and doctrine of all other churches, true or pretended, must needs be both schismatical, and heretical. The minor proposition is thus proved: first that the english protestant service is repugnant unto the public service of the latin, greek, Armenian & other ancient churches, it is evident by their liturgies, Masses, litanies, etc. containing the doctrines 
Miss S. jacobi Chris●▪ Basil. Aethiopum Mussarob. Gregor. etc. Couell against Burg pag. 69.  of transubstantiation, prayer to Saints, for the dead, etc. how it differeth from other protestant churches, and was condemned by the best learned protestants of them, is thus proved by protestants themselves. First D. Covell writeth in these words: The protestant Bishop of London Ridley (a chief martyr with M. Fox) wrote unto M. Grindall (after their protestant Archbishop of Canterbury, that a man of wit● and learning may find to make apparent reasons against the book of common prayer. Then I may first conclude that this their pseudomartyr, practising that Book and service against wit and learning, was either unlearned and wittles, or without Religion, grace and conscience, or both, as others succeeding unto him be by his Censure, and such Book and service not to be communicated with. And to show that this opinion of their Bishop Ridley, was not singular but common among those first protestants, he writeth thus in another treatise: The first protestants of this kingdom in a letter 
Couell exan. pag. 72.  subscribed with eleven of their hands, whereof Knox Gilby, Whittingam, & Goodman were four, most of them surely having both learning, & judgement, call the english protestant Ceremonies, trifles and superfluous Ceremonies. From whence I first conclude, that their service so censured with so many learned and judicious men, as this protestant esteemeth them, may not be communicated with. Secondly I conclude this their protestant Religion and service to be new against all former churches and ages and so heretical. For he calleth those Censurers of the communion Book first devised under king Edward 6. The first protestants of this kingdom. Therefore this their religion never maintained, or taught before, is new and heretical. For Scotland this protestant Doctor hath told us before, that Knox their chief protestant disallowed this their service: which he testifieth also in his book against Burges in these words: Knox disallowed the communion book. 
Conell against Burg pag. 69.  And the same of Knox was so highly applauded with protestants; That D. Sutcliffe hath told us before, that their Brethren in Scotland had imposition of hands from Knox: therefore Knox not being a B●shop must needs be an Apostle extraordinary, or greater in his judgement. For France and Suitcerland Caluine and Bucer are renowned among protestants, and 
Couell sup. pa. 69. 122. pag 47.  yet the same protestant Doctor writeth thus: Bucer Censured the communion book. Caluine censured the communion book, to contain many fooleries. And in an other book in this manner: 
Examinat. pag. 185.  Caluiue, Who was in manner of an Oracle of God to all churches that were reform, gave this Censure of the english communion book, translated into latin, to have his judgement of it, that many foolish things Were in it, not that purity which was to be desired, was to be filled from the rust, corrected and many things clean taken away. For Germany the protestant Author of the Relation of the state of religion hath these words: The princes and people in Germany have Caluinists 
Relation of Relig. ●. 45.  in great detestation, not for bearing to profess openly, they will return to the papacy, rather than ever admit that sacramentary & predestinarie pestilence. Therefore Catholics may not communicate with their country protestants, in their english service so generally condemned, both by themselves, and all foreign protestants. Again I argue thus.  
No service, or fashion of prayer, and Sacraments, that is by the practisers of them, and those which in their judgement agree with them, in all material points, condemned to have gross errors, manifest impieties, gross and palpable repugnancy, even in necessary and essential points of Religion, misapplyeth scriptures to countenance errors, is nought and may be communicated with: But the english protestant service, and Book thereof, is such: therefore not to be communicated with. The mayor proposition is evidently true: And the minor is thus proved by these protestants. M. Ormerod recordeth the Censure of english protestants upon it, in these words: The book 
Ormerod dial. 1.  of common prayers and the whole order of protestants service, is condemned. And to show that they which thus censured it, were allowed teacher's, and preachers among them, he addeth 
Ormer pict purit. d 3.  thus in an other book: preachers in their verbal serm●n● speak against the state ecclesiastical, t●e ●ooke of common prayer, and the Ceremonies of the church of England. D. Covell ●e●●●eth 
Couell exan pag 179.  thei● s●●●e●ce thus: The communion book● is boldly despised gross errors and manifest impieties are in the communion book. The protestant author of Certain Considerations, writeth in this manner: The protestant communion book 
Cert Consider. An 1605. p▪ 10 11. 12. 13. 17 Suru. pag. 20. 24.  an● service is nought, it hath gross and palpable repugnancy in it. An other protestant writeth thus. The communion Book of England is not agreeable to the word of God▪ in many things. The communion book as it hath ministered matter of contention, fro● the first hatching of it: So it will ever be the fuel of that fire. An other 
Abbridgm. of luic. dioc. pag. 15. pag. 17.  speaketh thus: ●he book of common prayer misapplyeth sundry places of scripture, and that to the maintaining of unsound doctrine. The book of common prayer containeth, in it sundry things, besides them handled in the abbridgment (being ver● many) that are contrary to the word 
pag. 73.  of God, it appointeth sundry things, that tend directly to the profanation of the holy sacraments, either ●y prostituting them to unworthy parsons, or administering them unrevereantly, i● avoucheth sundry manifest and apparent untruths. 
pag. 74.  it appointeth sundry things, that bring great disorder, and confusion unto the worship of God. 
pag. 75.  It contains sundry things, that are ridiculous, and absurd, and ●uch as no treasonable sense can be made of▪ it conteyns in it s●ndrie evident contradictions. And to give instance in the public preachers of london itself: Twoe and tuentie of them have joined together in this Censure of this their service & published it in printin thes words: Many things in the communion book are 
Petit. of 2●. preachers of London.  repugnant to the word of God. In the communion book there be things, of which there is no reasonable sense, there is contradiction in it, even in necessary and essential points of Religion, it containeth untruths in saith▪ the Holy scripture is disgraced in it▪ it entoyneth unlawful Ceremontes. containeth corrupt translations of holy scriptures, misapplyeth places of holy scriptures to the countenance of errors. Therefore not to be communicated with.   

The 9 particular protestant demonstration, is: Because these protestants by their own testimonies, and published writings, are manifest and known dissemblers, wilful deceivers seducers, lyere and perjured, in matters of Religion.  
CONCERNING the Religeous behaviour and manner of life, and conversation of these men, doctors, preachers, and practisers of this new Religion, I argue thus: No men that are manifestly detected, dissemblers, perjured, foreswearens, liars, and known deceivers in matters of Religion, even by the confession of themselves, and their essentially agreeing friends, are not to be imitated in Religion, but utterly to be avoided in such Communications: But the english protestant preachers and teachers of Religion, are in this condition: Therefore not to be followed, but avoided in spiritual communications. The mayor proposition is evidently true: for of all people manifest liars, forswearers, and dissemblers with God▪ and man, are most to be discredited, and rejected in conversation, especially in religious things.  
The minor proposition is thus proved, by these protestants. The protestant author of the relation of Religion, a man of great credit and authority in their church, writeth thus: protestant 
Relation of Religion cap. 32.  writers in Relation of things have abused this present age, and prejudiced posterity. Lou● and dislike hath s●e dazzled their eyes, that they cannot be believed. M. O●merod hath these word●: It is true indeed, there are harebrained, inconstant, 
Ormer. pagan. pag. ●●. 57  and sickle headed, among protes●an●●, that are much like unto ●kebolius t●e Sophist of Constantinople, who● before julian was emperor, carried himself as an earnest Christian; under julian he became an Apostata, and a bagan● a●d after julian, he would be a christian again. And su●h were their chiefest and prime protestants themselves, as their Archbishop Cranme● before oweinge all duty and obedience to God, twi●e swearing it to the pope; to king Henry 8 king Edward 6, Queen Mary, of divers Religeons, and yet he was an heretic to God and his church, and a perjured wretch to all those princes, as before is manifest, and so of others. The same is confirmed to be also agreeable to the behaviour of their doctors in this time, of whom the same protestant 
Ormer. pict purit. l. 1.  author writeth in this order; They will make as solemn protestations, as any men can do, and by oath deny that which they do you shall never find with any high land, or border thieves, more lies, and vile perjuries, then with these, though they protest and by oath deny, yet shortly after, we shall see it come to pass. The protestant author of the book entitled offer of 
Offer of Confer. pa. 9  Conference writeth of the parliamentary protestants showing therein the reasons of their notorious lying, and dissembling, in Religion, in these words; some standing upon these points of difference, not for conscience, but for carnal respects, some because otherwise they know not how to be maintained, but by depending upon that faction, some to gratify their benefactors and patrons and to please their friends, some for discontentment, & want of preferment, some for giddiness of innovation, some for pride of heart, and self love, some for hatred of order, and restraint of their liberty, some for ignorance, some to retain the opinion of constancy. And to show that by their own judgement this profane hypocrisy, dissimulation etc. is general in their Religion, 
Couell exam. pag. 179. Parks Apol praef.  D Covell writeth in this manner: Atheism and hypocrisy is in all states in this kingdom. M. parks hath this Censure; heresy and infidelity join and labour to subvert all grounds of Christian Religion. Their late protestant Bishop D. Babington in the public Conference at Hampton 
Conference pag. 14. 15.  Co●rt, showeth how in the beginning protestancy was approved in their parliament by ambiguous and indirect dealing of the composers of their communion book, and citeth the Archbishop of york to that purpose. What dealing was used therein may appear also by so general a dislike of protestants against it as is before proved, whereupon D Couell writeth thus: The first english Ministers so far dissented, 
Couell exam. pag. 71.  that some books, and the greatest part of Christendom was filled with the irreverent, unholy, and unnatural Contentions of that time. Their behaviour in other countries was not unlike, only I will exemplify in Scotland, of which his majesty in the Conference at Hampton Court relateth thus: M. Knox Writes to the Queen Regent 
K speech in Cofe. pa. 80. 81. 82.  (of whom without slattery I may say, she was a virtuous and moderate lady) telling her that ●hee was supreme head of the church. But how long trow ye, did this continue? even so long till by her authority, the popish Bishops were repressed. He himself and his adherents were brought in and well settled, and by these means made strong enough. Then lo they began to make small account of her supremacy, nor would longer rest upon her authority, but took the cau●e into their own hands. How they used that poor lady my Mother is not unknown, who did desire only, a private Chapel, wherein to serve God, after her manner, with some few selected parsons: but her supremacy was not sufficient to obtain it, at their hands. And concerning the same Question of prince's supremacy in England, so enacted by their parliaments, to set them in possession, yet that now at this present, neither parliamentary nor puritan protestant, in their writings allow it, but claim it to themselves, I will prove by themselves hereafter. And the reason of this their proceed, proceedeth from the state of their desolate cause: for in the beginning of this their protestant Religion, having no other means to give Colour to a new pretended Ministry, then by the temporal prince's supremacy and power in spiritual things, all true religious pre-eminency jurisdiction and authority being abandoned forth of this nation, by their parliaments edicts against the Apostolic see of Rome, and Christ's catholic church, they were content against the example of all their pretended reformed churches because they could not settle it themselves, for that present to allow it to the temporal Prince: But now settled in possession they pretend a Consecration again from Rome which they had thus renounced before, & say 
Confer sup Barl. Serm. sup. Cert. considerate. An. 1605. pag. 46.  they are divinae ordinationis, by the ordinance of God; where upon the protestant Author of certain Considerations, doth argue and consider thus; if the english protestants opinion be maintained, that Bishop's jurisdiction, is de jure divini, by the law of God, his majesty and all the nobility ought to be subject to excommunication. 
pag. 54. sup.  And again in these words; protestant Bishops themselves do not attribute any more spiritual authority unto the king, to make, constitute and ordain Canons, Constitutions, Rites or Ceremonies, than they give unto him, spiritual po●er to preach the word, administer the sacram●ntt, and excommunicate. Which as is evident, is none at all. And yet at this present (to omit others) those protestant Bishops of this kingdom, which most sway, and not only in spiritual things, are known to be both by their education and writings, of that protestant sect and opinion which before hath told us, that their Bishops and so consequently themselves, are unlawful, against God's word, hell hounds▪ natural sons of sathan, false, bastardly governors, enemies to God, to the king, and to his people, even in their very callings and offices. How these men have behaved themselves in the Questions between Catholics and them, may appear sufficiently in the first and second general demonstration, where not only they general grounds of divinity, but all particular chief controversies of this time, are demonstratively proved against them, by their own writings, published, printed, or allowed with●n the first six years of his majesties ●aigne. how the puritan protestants have dealt with their Bishops, partly appeareth before: how their Bishops walk towards them, and one to an other, is evident in that either condemneth other to be schismatics heretics, in●●dolls, 
Offer of Confer pag. 9  damned, etc. The protestant offer of Conference writeth thus: It is notorious unto all the corlde, what indignities, slanders, false accusations and calumniations, the prelate's and their adherents, in their private speeches, public sermons and writings, lay upon the ministers. I will cite one example most conserving them both, 
Conference at H●mpt Cou●t. by D. ●arlo●e 3. other Copies printed by Wind. 〈◊〉 ●●fer. pag. 28, 29,  their Conference at Hampton Court, before the king, and Lords▪ Their protestant Bishop of Lincoln, D. Barlowe relateth it, wholly for their Bishops: Three other Copies printed by John Winde● and divers others, relate it for the puritanes. Besides the testimony of their Bishop D. Montague thus cited by the protetestant offer of Conference. It ●● more then apparent, that they have fraudulently cut of, and concealed all the speeches, which were many t●at his majesty uttered against the corruptions of our church, and practise of the prelate's, as appeareth by the testimony of the deane of the Chapel. And yet his cunning hath served him, and his Conscience suffereth him, to be a great Bishop 
Offer sup. pag. 29. D. G. Abbot ag. Hill. p. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236, 237. Powell ag. Apol. epi●●. pa. 52 etc. 48. Dove persuas pa. 32 Su●cl. against kell▪ pag 42. Middleton pap. pa. 201 Will Antil pa 15. p 20 ●owell consider pa 17. Wot d●f. of Perk. p. 28. Field pag. 170. Morton satisf p 18. Abridgm. pag. 39  among them. And thus it further followeth in that protestant Author: No honesty was used in that Relation. it seems by the whole manadgenge of it, that it was vnder●and plotted and procured by the prelate's themselves; abusing therein his majesty, and using M. Galloway as an instrument in the matter, to the end that they might have the more colour for their intended proceeding.  
We have hard before, how constantly and uniformly both their Bishops parliamentary and puritan protestants, have written, that they all agree in all material and substantial points: and as their Archbishop of Canterbury absolutely affirmeth no Goliath against t●em, can prove the contrary; And an other hath with public privilege these words; none but Papists affirm t●at protestants and puritans differ in substantial points of f●●the●, and he lieth which saith t●ey differ in subsiautiall ●oints. And such is the common and general assertion both of the parlamen●arie and puritan protestants as is evident before and may appear by these their Citations and others to many to be related; w●en they write against Catholics charging them with their divers & intolerable essential, material and fundamental differences in Religion.  
But when they dispute, or write against themselves: then if to be heretics, is to differ in a material fundamental, or essential point, as they writ in these words; Heretics are neither simple, infidels nor idolaters, but obstinately erring in some fundament all point. Protestants and puritans do thus differ, for either hath condemned others before for Heretics; Therefore to affirm it is not a lie. B●t they which both affirm and deny it, to serve their use, and delude their readers, are profane liars and dissemblers in Religion and so not to be imitated but avoided.  
Again the puritans condemn the protetestant Bishops for essential points, and make them most damned and hellish people, together with their ministers and adherents as is manifest before; And the protestant Bishops & followers have in divers public canons made the state of puritans, excommunication ipso 
Constitution etc. can. ecclesiast. An. 1604. can. 3. can. 4. can. 5. can 6. can. 7. can 8. can. 9 can. 10. can. 11. can. 12. can. 4. can. 5. can. 6. can. 7. c●n. 8.  facto, And to show that they do not thus Censure them, for things not essential, but very essential, material and fundamental, things questioned between them, some of their opinions be there thus expressed; the worship in the church in England is corrupt superstitious, unlawful repugnant to the scriptures, and in sacraments. The articles of their religion are erroneous. their rites Antichristian government of the church of england under his majesty by Archbishops, Bishops, deans, etc. Antichristian and repugnant to the word of God. The form and manner of making, and consecrating Bishops, priests, and deacons  repugnant to the word of God. They who are made Bishops, priests, or deacons in that form, are not lawfully made, nor aught to be accounted, either by themselves, or others to be truly either Bishops, priests, or deacons, etc. Therefore so many Excommunications ipso facto, in number seven together, with so essential differences, must needs be material points, putting a man, as, they think & ordain, out of the church, and so out of all hope of salvation, as they have taught before  
Further D. Covell setteth down these protestants doctrine, in this manner; The Government 
Couell ag. Burg. p. 33.  b● Elders and the Pressbitery is the express commandment of God, and as essential as either the word, or Sacraments And ag●●ne. T●e discipline 
Couell exam. pag. 36.  is an essential note of the church men are martyrs in that quarrel, as well as for the defence of any article of the Christian faith. M. O●merod 
Ormer. pict purit. f. 4.  relateth their opinion in this manner; Certain of the things which puritans stand upon, are such, as that every hair of their ●eade, were a life, they ought to offor them for the defence of them He hath told us before, how, they have 
Ormer. dial. 1.  revived almost all old heresies, and besides their opinions, have their tricks, qualities and conditions. Then if protestants differ not from them in any essential thing, they join with them in those heresies. They are (to use his words;) apostolics, Aerians, Popuzians, Petrobrusians, Flo●inians, Cerinthians, Nazarens, Beguardines, ●bi●nits, Catababdi●es, Catharists, jovinianists, etc. too m●ny to be recited. Therefore he speaketh thus: puritans differ from protestants in things fundamental, and substantial, puritans 
Ormerod dial. 2.  do not agree with protestants in all matters of substance. Therefore seeing these men be not papists, they must needs be notorious liars, and deceivers in spiritual things. M. Parks in his Epistle dedicatory to their late Archbishop of Canterbury writeth thus: The Creed 
Parks epist dedicat.  itself which hath always been the very badge and Cognizance, whereby to discern and know the faithful from unbelievers, Christians from heathens, and Catholics from heretics, is the main point in question. Then they agree not in all things essential, and fundamental, for besides this, he addeth: puritanes seek to undermine the foundation of faith. Therefore speaking 
parks p. 3.  o● protestants and puritanes seducing t●e ignorant as though they agreed in all essential things, he writeth in these words; To deceive 
parks pag. 89.  the world and make men believe, there is agreement in all substantial points, they affirm, that there is no question among them, of the 
jacob reas. epist. dedic.  truth. M. jacob giveth this Censure: T●ey are vain words of men unadvised, yea of corrupt minds▪ and studing to flatter, which cease not to inculcate, that the things in question, are indifferent 
jacob reas. pag. 75.  and arbitrary. The matters in question are far from matters indifferent, or arbitrary, but are in deed very greatly importing the common 
pag. 82. sup  salvation. These things are far from indifferent matters or small trifles in the churches, as some so●d men suggest, and ●ill reiterate▪ t●ey are directly contr●●y to God's word▪ prejudicial and dishonerable to Holy calling, and pernicious to the souls of all the Christian● in the land. Their Supplication 
Supplicat. An 1606. Argum 5. Offer of Cons pa. 3.  sa●●h, their cause is ●hole Christ. The protestant Authors of the offer of Conference, say: the propositions (offered, to be disputed, contain in them the nature of Christ's true visible church, Ministry and worship. The protestant Authors of the defence of the ministers reasons 
Defence epist. dedi●.  for refusal of subscription, tell us; very many points are contrary to the word of God. And add in this manner: if the Questions be of no substance, toys▪ and trifles, what meaneth such urdginge, and pressing of t●em, and the more severe punishing● of the not observing them, then of the weightiest matters, not of our law, but of the law of God itself▪ w●at mean all those divers and large treatises, daily published by them that call them trifles, in their defence? if trifles? so seriously to maintain them, argueth want of judgement, to know what is meet to be done. They might have added also want of Religion and justice, to denounce so many several excommunications for things not material, as before are cited.  
Neither can the condition of these men by any moral judgement in their own proceed, be otherwise: for having generally by their allowed Articles, princes letters patents, Statutes, and such protestant Consistories, uncanonized divers books of holy scriptures, condemning divers of their errors, denied di●●ne traditions, the unwritten word of God, the infallible authority and judgement of general councils, in matters of faith, the supreme commanding power of the Apostolic See of Rome, endowed with greatest privileges, from Christ our Saviour, not regarding the doctrine of the learned primitive fathers, but condemning these, and all Churches of Error in Religion, and fantastically making their own private spirits, erroneous judgement, and deductions from false translations of scriptures, They must needs fall to, these profane absurdities, of lying, deceiving, wilful corruptions, falsifications and the like ungodly and unchristian dealings, or else manifest and lay open their Heresies, and most strange innovations, to the view of the whole world, even the most simple and ignorant, whom they have abused and seduced by such practises. I will only exemplify in tow protestant writers, D. Willet, and M parks, both writing with privilege, and public allowance, one against the other, and either of them taxing the other in this kind of impiety as followeth. M. parks writing but against one little book, published by this D. Willet named Lymbomastix, denying the Article of Christ's descent into hell, hath these words: Holy scripture is much 
Par●es sect. 5. 8. pag 14 144 1●9. 71. sect. 22. 5. 7.  abused, corrupted and strangely perverted. they intrude into the text. the holy scriptures are belied the scripture abused, falsefyed. the original greek itself clipped in citing scriptures, words are left out. they invert the scriptures to serve their turn. Holy scripture is much abused, strangely perverted, notoriously depraved, belied manifestly wrested, etc. How holy fathers and such authorities are dealt with, by this doctor in that treatise, 
Parks sup. against limb p. 70 151 def of 3. test sect 〈…〉 def of 1. 2 test p 2 ●. se●t 18 21 p 181. 166. 101. 100 def of 2● place sect. 10 11. 20. def. of 3. test s●ct 7. 12. 15. 16 etc. pag. 7. 10, 19 20. 21. 22. 23. 24 25. pag. 28. def. of 1. 2. 3. testim. etc. Par●●s Apolog sup. epist. dedic.  he writeth thus: He condemneth all the ancient fathers, for dreamers, condemneth all the fathers. He condemneth all learneb and Godly diui●as, for enemies of Christ's cross, and bla●p●em●rs of his passion. He justifieth m●ste wicke● Heretics, and condemneth most holy fathers. H●e falsely translateth, corrupteth, indignly han●let●, clippeth, shamely corrupteth, injuriously han●leth, greatly abuseth, untruly allegeth, mayneth, mistranslateth, much abuseth, notably corrupteth, etc. S. Augustine, Origen, S. Ambrose, S. Chrisostome, S. Leo, S. Hierome, Tertullian, S Bernard, etc. And speaking generally of their protestant writers he writeth in this manner. Every man maketh Religion the handmaid of his affections. We may say now, that there are so many faiths, as wills, and so many doctrines, as manners of men, while either we write them, as we list, or understand them as we please in so much that many are brought to their wits ends, not knowing what to do. Men say they know w●ome to fly, but whom to follow they cannot tell. This age is the last and worst, wherein heresy and infidelity join and labour to subvert and overthrow all grounds of Christian Religion. by their doctrine and life, their most zealous followers are become irreligious to God, irreverent towards man, dissentious in opinions, disorderous in manners. Religion itself is brought to a matter of mere dispute, and altercation. Not without fear, least it befall unto us, as it did unto the builders of babel, or to the brethren of Gadines. For as the end of schism is 
sect. 16.  heresy, so is the end of heresy Atheism. The profession of the Gospel is made a cloak, wherewith to cover the soul profanation of it. Hitherto some testimonies from M. parks. The Citations of like nature from his Adversary protestant D. Willet, are too many, and tedious in this kind, to be related; Therefore to give some conjecture of them, I will only set down the Title of his book, which followeth in this 
Willet titu Lordoromast.  manner.  
Loidoromastix, that is a scourge for a Railer: containing a full and sufficient Answer, unto the unchristian railings, slanders, untruths, and other injurious imputations, vented of late by one Richard Parks, ●aster of arts, against the Author of Lymbomastix, wherein three hundred railings, errors, contradictions, falsisications of fathers, corruptions of scripture, ●ith other gross oversights, are observed out of the said uncharitable discourse, by And●●w Willet Professor of divinity. Hitherto the only Title of this privileged protestant Book. What stuff is contained in the whole work, of this k●●de, and how common a thing it is, for protestant writers to dissemble, corrupt, falsify, mistranslate, misapply. etc. scriptures, fathers, and other authorities, to advantage their cause by such dealings may be judged by public privilege and allowance given to such writings. Therefore I shall lawfully conclude this question with thes words of M. Ormerod concerning 
Ormer. pict purit g. 4.  protestants; They fill the margins of their books f●ll of places of scripture●, in a wrong, sense, that ●y this means ●●ey might, more easily deceive the simple people. they ne●ther care for mayor, minor, nor conclusion, so● they may say some thing: the● point their mergent with shameful abu●nge of scripture. And to show these dealings to be usual, nor only in obscurer places but in their vni●ersi●ie themselves, chiefest places of learning among ●●em, in the epistle dedicatory of the same work he writeth thus; There is a strange manner of preaching 
Ormer sup. pict. pur●. epist. d●●ic.  in use in many places, ●othe in t●e universities and else w●ere 〈◊〉 t●ough th● pulpit were but a scaffold, in which the preacher like a Master ●ss●nce were to play his prizes, and as though the scripture were but a rattle for Children, and fools, to make sport withal, he tosseth it hither and thither, and will not sail to offer it any violence, to frame it to an imagined conceit, and to draw it to an idle purpose. Then no marvel, if the Ignorant be deceived, and seduced by such writers, and preachers: when no Catholic may be suffered to write or speak against them. though they have by all means they can make, most humbly fought for equal Audience: which the Protestant Author of the Relation of the state of Religion in some sort insinuateth in these words: Catholics cry mainly in all places 
Relation of Religion cap. 29.  for trial by disputation, thus did Campion many years since with us: T●is ●s I passed through Turricke did the Cardinal Andrea of Constance, and his jesuits not long before the same was done to them of Geneu●▪ and v●rye lately the Capuchins renwed the challenge. Yet none will be accepted, nor other answer returned but such sermons & writings as we have related before, and M. Ormerod describeth in thes words: 
Ormer pict purit supr. l. prefat. in postscript.  divers books printed against the papists are as fit for the fire, as the con●uringe books ca 19 Act. ver. 19▪ and the publishers of such fantastical books should be hanged. Book●s are written by protestants, and suffered to be published, which be a great disgrace to protestant Religion. Besides their argument of persecution remembered by the same author in the name of protestants in this manner: The Clin●e, t●e Gatehouse, the 
Ormer pict purit. g. 1.  white lion, and the f●●ete have be●n● protestants only Arguments, whereby they have proved their cause those many years. He might have added most bloody, rigorous, and injurious edicts, Tortures, penalties, arraigm●nts, judgements, executions etc. And yet they have gained no more than julian and other persecutors have done: Gods Auger unto themselves, and glory and everlasting renounce unto Catholics for such sufferings, registered by their own protestant writer a man of great wit, worth, and place among them in these words; The sufferings 
Relation of Religion cap. 31.  and martyrdoms of english Catholics in these time are recounted to the height of Nero's, & Dioclesian's persecutions, and the sufferers of their side both in merits of cause, in extremity of Torments, and in constancy, and patience, to the renowned Martyrs of that heroical church age. Thus this protestant relateth the judgement of foreign nations concerning english protestant persecutions towards their country Catholics.   

The 10. particular protestant demonstration is: Because these protestants contrary to the nature of true believers, and the true church, by their own doctrine, are by their own testimonies also generally most vile, wicked impious, and graceless people.  
MY next protestant demonstration shall be taken from their lives, manners and behaviour: Before which I suppose the common doctrine of these protestants, That good corks and true faith cannot be separated, testified not only by D. Willet, D. Feild, M. Thomas Rogers 
Willet Antilog. p. 207 Feild Rogers pa. 55. pa. 56. Articles of Religion art. 12  and others, but also by their highest authorized articles in these words: Good works do springe out necessarily of a true and lively faith, in so much that by them a lively faith may be as evidently known, as a tree discerned by the fruit, Therefore seeing there is, as they tell us, an evident and necessary conjunction of these, they cannot be separated▪ which M. Rogers would not only prove by scriptures in this manner: 
Roger's sup. cil. Matth. 7. 16 Math. 3. 12 John 13. 35 luk. 6. 36. Eph. 1. 1. 1. John 3. 10 Confess. Helu 2. ca 16. Basil are. 8. Bohem. c. 7. Gal. are. 22. Belg. 24. Saxon. are 3 Wittemb. c. 7 Sueu. c. 4. powel l. 2. Antichrist. p. 474. 476.  The scripture saith and showeth that by good works are known, the good trees from the bud, the wheat from the chaff, the true disciples from the false; the sons of God from the children of Satan, the regenerate from the unbelievers. Heretics unto the Saints and churches, do subscribe. And citeth the protestant Confessions of Helvetia, Basile, Bohemia, France, Belgia Wittemberge, Suevia, for thy subscription, and doctrine. To these I add an other received doctrine of protestants, of the certainty of their being in true faith, grace, and to be predestinate, entreated before: and so confidently taught, that M. powel calleth it blasphemy to deny it, his words be these: It is blasphemous doctrine, to say as the church of Rome doth, that saith is only in general propositions: as, he that keepeth the commandments, shall enter into life, and he that b●le●ueth and is baptised ●hall be saved: and not in these particulars: I shall enter into life: I shall be saved: or my sins are forgiven. Then if as before by their doctrine true faith and good works are evidently, and necessarily conjoined together, and unseparable: it is blasphemous by true consequence, to say, that a man, or men, or church wanting good works, by their own confession and also overwhelmed with evil works, and all kind of sins, and iniquities, have true faith, true Religion, or church, or shall be saved: whereupon I argue thus.  
No men, society, or Congregation, convicted by their own testimonies to be heretics, which want true faith, can have those things that are in their judgement unseparable from it, which be good works: But these english protestants, as is proved before by themselves, are in this case: Therefore they have not good works. Therefore not the true church: Therefore not to be communicated with, in Religeous business. All things in this argument are proved before, and confessed by these protestants.  
Again I argue in this manner: no men infected and defiled with such evil works, as deprive, and leave men destitute of grace, can have good works, done by grace, and in grace; But the english protestants by their own testimonies before, are in this condition. Therefore they have not good works of grace. The mayor is evidently true; for, to have grace, and not to have grace, are contradictories. Therefore if it be true, that protestants have not grace; it is false to say, that they have grace. The minor proposition is manifestly proved before, in that protestants are proved by themselves to be Scisma●icks, usurpers in Religion, profane, liars, dissemblers, feducers, etc. which being mortal and damnable fins, must needs deprive them of grace, and leave them graceless. For as they conclude in their Conference; every 
Conference pag. 41.  grievous sin depriveth of grace and justification. their proposition there is this; whosoever, though before justified, did commit any grievous sin, as adultery, murder, treason or the like, did become, ipso facto, subject to God's wrath, and guilty of damnation, quoad prasentem statum, until they did repent. Therefore protestants by these their own doctrines, have neither good works, nor good belief, or faith; And so not to be communicated with, in such business of Religion.  
And from this so generally received protestant doctrine of England, Helvetia, Basile, Bohemia, Gallia, Belgia, Saxonia, Wittemberge, that the want of good works is a knowledge and distinguishing sign, belonging to chaff, false disciples, children of Satan and unbelievers, to discern them from the true believers and servants of God, I argue thus.  
No society, Congregation, or company of men, which by their own testimonies do not only want good works, but be generally defiled with most heinous, and grievous sins, can be the children of God, true believers, or to be communicated with in causes of Religion; But the english protestants are in this condition; Therefore not the true believers, true church, or to be communicated with, in spiritual things. The mayor proposition is the common doctrine of all those protestant churches before remembered. And the minor proposition of the impiety and wickedness of protestants, is thus proved by their own writings. M. Hull speaking of his fellow protestants writeth thus; These are the days whereof our Saviour 
Hull Rom. polec. pref●●.  Christ, and his Apostles so long ago prophesied, wherein charity should wax cold, and faith should scarce appear, wherein men should be ●●idebacks from Christ. and Apostates from true Religion, wherein they should be lovers of themselves, covetous, cursed speakers, disobedient, untankefull, unholy, true breakers, false accusers, despisers of them that are good, traitors, heady, high minded lovers of pleasures more them of God having a show of Godliness, but have denied the power thereof: yea wherein men are become users, neuter, temporisers, Atheists. An other protestant writeth in these terms: The protestans 
Cort. considerate. An. 1605. epist. d●dicat.  Religion of England is much like an evil herb, which if it be not speedily rooted up, but suffered to spread, will soon overspread the garden's of God, with vice and impiety, as there will scarcely 
Willet. Antilog pa 28  hath these words: We justly complain of the profanes of these times, and of the overflowing of iniquity, even where Religion is most poorly professed. Then that Religion must needs be 
Parks Apolog. epist. dedicat.  impuer, by their former doctrine. M. parks also speaking of protestants, speaketh in this manner: every man maketh Religion the handmaid of his affections. We● are come to that declinge age of the world, foretold by the Apostle (2. Tim. 1. 2. 3. 4.) wherein men should be lovers of themselves, fastidious, arrogant, covetous, maledicous, immorigerous, etc. for even such are these our times, self love hath banished sobriety: prid● humility: malice charity; disobedience duty; dissension unity; profaneness sanctity; and in a 〈◊〉, feigned zeal true devotion. Concerning the pretended ministers how far they are overwhelmed with wickedness, is spoken before; To which I add these protestant testimonies: M. Ormerod writeth thus; The taunts and contumelies 
Ormer pict pur. f. 3. l 4.  of Ministers against Ministers are unchristean. they refuse to salute one an other, but one spiteth in the face of an other, wishing the plaque of God to light upon them, saying they were damned. Neither is this peculiar to english ministers for the protestant relator of religion writeth thus of foreign ministers. In the division 
Relation cap. 4●.  of protestants into their factions, the ministers have so behaved themselves, that it threateneth a great ruin and calamity. neither is there any great doubt, but if any stay, and agreement could be taken with the turk, all Germany were in danger to be in uproar within itself, by intestine dissension. To this lamentable extremity hath the headiness of the ministers brought it. But of their most wicked both doctrine, and behaviour against princes and common wealth I will entreat hereafter. In the mean time it i● already evident that this most vile and profane state of wickedness, is not in some few as may be found among men of true Religion, not living according to the rules thereof; But general and universal, which must needs proceed from the nature of their pretended Religion itself, having in it, and publishing to the world, to all men to view and follow so many errors tending and leading unto all liberty, and licentiousness of life, and neither having sacraments, or any instrument of grace, to prevent sins, and their occasions in any calling or state of men, married o● unmarried, old or young, clergy or laity, living or dying, nor any one rule to warrant unto them for true faith, any one article which they hold, whether in it self it be true or false; all which & more absurdities of such nature are demonstratively before proved against them by their own writings.   

The 11. particular protestant demonstration, for Catholics just recusancy, is: Because the English protestants by their own writings, are not only enemies to the temporal princes claim of supremacy, in ecclesiastical causes, advancing their Bishops and presbyteries above it, but deny also his sovereignty in matters temporal by their consequences.  
NOw let us come to those Questions, for which so many Catholics and Religeous parsons have suffered Martyrdom, and most grievous persecutions, in the times of king Henry 8. Queen Elizabeth, and our present Sovereign king james, the claimed supreme spiritual power of temporal princes in cause ecclesiastical, in this kingdom, and that power and Authority concerning temporal princes, which these english protestants affirm Catholics do give to the Pope of the highest apostolic See of Rome, proved before by these protestants to be supreme head, & governor an earth of Christ's church, and greatest commanding judge in spiritual causes. I am to prove in this demonstration; That these protestant Bishops, puritanes, and presbytery, by their own testimonies give not so much power and authority to the temporal prince as we do: And yet arrogate & challenged to themselves in their pretended Bishops and presbytery more command jurisdiction and authority over temporal kings, and princes, than Catholic writers, and schools allow or attribute, to the Pope of Rome. And that if the parliament had framed an oath as much concerning the power of their Bishops and presbyteries, as their so named Oath of allegiance, concerneth the Pope's privileges; No protestant or puritan by the grounds of their Religion should, could, or might have taken it. What they would or will do in such a case, I dare not undertake, for men so convicted before to be by their own testimonies most notorious dissemblers, deceivers, wilful seducers, liars, perjured and forsworn people in matters of Religion. And this is made most manifest, that although they generally condemn their own Religion for heretical, their service for damnable, their ministry for Antichristian or none at all, their supposed ordination for ridiculous; The articles of their Religion for false, and erroneous, Their Canons and Censures to be ungodly & unlawful, as is proved by themselves before, and absolutely deny the king's supremacy in most dangerous degree as will be evident against them by their own writings in this Chapter, yet contrary to all truth, Religion, conscience and moral honesty they have generally sworn, protested, subscribed unto, and do practice to their own damnation in these things that which is directly opposite and contrary to their own Conscience, and judgement in Religion. Therefore to proceed in my first intended purpose and proposition I argue in this manner.  
No men which by their own testimonies, and writings, do generally dislike, or disallow of the temporal prince's supremacy in spiritual and ecclesiastical Causes, and in strange and danigerous order, can or may in conscience by oath and swearing allow it; But this is the common estate of english protestants, by their own confessions, published in writing; Therefore they cannot in conscience swear to the oath of supremacy, in temporal princes, or allow it for true doctrine. The mayor proposition is evidently true, for in so dying they are perjured, and forsworn, and in a matter of high moment And all perjury is damnable. And so no spiritual communication to be had with such men in such matters, or in things dangerous unto, or against Regality or lawful regiment, allowed by the law of God and true Religion. The minor proposition, that protestants in England are in this condition, is thus proved by their own Testimonies; The protestant author of the book named Certain demands writeth in these words: The protestant Bishops do not attributie 
Cert. demand. An 1605. p. 54  any more spiritual authority v●to the King, to make, constitute, and ordain Canons, Constitutions, Rites, or Ceremonies, than they give unto him spiritual power to preach the world, administer the sacraments, and excommunicate. But the articles of their Religion confirmed and thus published by his majesty resolveth this matter in these words: We give not to our 
Articles of Relig. are 37.  Prince the ministring either of God's word, or of the sacraments; the which thing the injunctions also● sometime set forth by Elizabeth our late Queen, do most plainly testify. Therefore as the Conclusion before is; The protestants of England cannot by their own doctrine, without perjury swear to the king's supremacy. Therefore parliamentary protestants and puritans also holding this opinion against the king's supremacy, and yet for preferment, or other carnal respects, having sworn unto it, are perjured and forsworn in a damnable degree. And thus by this title the pretended ministry of England is a perjured Ministry by their own writings.  
Again I argue in this manner; whatsoever, Ministry claimeth their calling to be by law divine, divinae ordinationis, do by the doctrine of english protestants deny the king's supremacy; But both the parliament protestants, and puritanes, thus claim their calling of ministry; Therefore by their own doctrine, deny the king's supremacy. The mayor proposition is proved by the protestant author of the book named Certain Considerations, in these words: if the english protestants▪ 
Cert. consider. pa. 46.  opinion be maintained, that Bishop's jurisdiction is de iure divino, his majesty and all the nobility ought to be subject to excommunication, Therefore by this protestant reason, the king is not supreme: for he that is supreme or superior cannot be excommunicated by the inferior, which hath not power over the supe-superior, much less over him that is supreme. Again, he that is supreme, is subject to none, because not inferior, but above, & commanding all. Yet here the king is both named subject, and Censured as an inferior, and to that penance and punishment so grievous, that the protestant author of Assertion thus expresseth 
Assertion An. 1604. pag. 326.  it inflicted on princes by their supreamacies; Excommunication is terrible to princes, and rulers, a delivery of the soul to sathan, punishment of the body, and danger of go●ds. Excommunication is so powerful, as it can constrain princes and rulers to do their duties. M. Ormerod also remembreth this protestant doctrine 
Ormer. dial. 1.  in these words: princes ought to submit themselves to the Seniors of the church, & they ought to be content to be ruled, & governed, punished, corrected excommunicated by their discretion, & at their pleasure. Then whether these protestāns can in conscience swear to the king's supremacy as they have done, or swear an oath so much concerning their Bishops, & presbytery, as the named Oath of alledgeance, concerneth the Pope's prerogative, and whether it is more reasonable for any one temporal prince to acknowledge▪ The Bishop of the chiefest Apostolic See, whom all Catholic princes of Christendom and the church of Christ ever acknowledged for their supreme spiritual pastor, and governor, to be also unto him, as he is and ever was to all his progenitor's kings and other princes; or singularly with so manifest danger against scriptures, counsels, fathers, histories, and all authorities, and examples, to make himself, his soul, body, life, and goods as before, subject, and at the pleasure of his subjects, every pretended Bishop in his diocese, and every Minister of the presbytery in his parish or division; I leave these for others to conclude, only I add that these protestants by this their claimed superiority over princes, have within less than forty years disinherited, deprived, and spoiled more temporal princes of their lawful territories and dominions as is proved against them by a Catholic writer of our nation; Then the Pope by any prerogative, title, 
Mother. Answ. ca 8. c. 9 See the protestants there cited.  or claim with the consent of kingdoms hath taken upon him to alter the Regiment of temporal kings, from the first beginning of Christianity to these days. But more of this matter hereafter.  
The minor proposition that both the protestant Bishops now, and the presbytery, claim their callings, jure divino, by the law of God, and not from the prince, is evidently proved before. And manifest in probation of the first proposition. For the laws of this land, (and we admit no others) are so far from making it the office and power of any Bishop, presbytery, parson, or society whatsoever ●o excommunicate their prince, deliver his soul to Satan, punish his body, on danger his goods, constrain, rule, govern, correct and punish him, at their discretion and pleasure, (as their own words before be) that the very conspiring or consenting unto such things is a state of high Treason; and greatest offence to law in this kingdom. Therefore they must blasphemousely claim as they do other things from the law o● God, no other in force here as before. Then I may say with their own protestant writer in these words; The kings supremacy is fallen 
Certain considerations An. 1605. pag. 47.  down, and overthrown in the most dangerous degree by the english protestant proceed. And this might suffice for this purpose demonstratively proving what I promised. But I argue further in this manner.  
Whoesever do not only say that the protestant Bishops, or presbytery, have the supremacy in spiritual things, and kings have nothing therein to deal, but must submit their sceptres, and Crowns, lose their Royalty, cease to be kings, not to be obeyed, to be deposed, unthroned, bereaved of all power, and principality, etc. as the protestant ministry shall please, or denownce, may not be communicated with in Religion, either by the law of God, or of this kingdom; But the english protestant doctrine is such, by their own writings; Therefore not to be communicated withal in Religion. The mayor proposition is so evidently true, that it is manifest spiritual treason, heresy and Rebellion to God, and civil Treason in most high degree against our king, by the laws of this nation, to deny it. And the minor proposition is thus proved by these protestants: one protestant writeth thus: 
C●rtaine demand. An. 1605. p. 42. Couell exam. ●ag. 12.  To establish the command of the civil magistrate the squar and plumet of subjects conscience, is to wrest the scriptures, and a Tyranny. D. Covell recordeth their opinion thus; First fruits, tenths, subsidies, contributions of ecclesiastical parsons to the prince, are sacrilege and Robbery. D. Willet writeth in this manner; Princes ar● not to 
Will●t Antil pa. 151. Assertion An. 1604. Ormer pict purit. epist. dedic. & dial. 1.  be obeyed in all ecclesiastical laws. An other writeth thus; The temporal prince never had any spiritual power in this kingdom. M. Ormered setteth down their doctrine, in these words; Christian Sovereigns ought not to be called heads under Christ, of the particular and visible churches, within their dominions princes ought not to meddle with the making of laws, orders, and Ceremonies, for the church. As the ministers 
Ormerod supr. d. 4.  meddle not with making of civil laws, and laws for the common wealth: s●● the civil Magistrate hath not to ordain Ceremonies pertaining to the church. No civil Magistrates in councils, 
dialog. 1.  or assemblers, for church matters, can either be chief moderator, over Ruler, judge or determiner. To be brief in this matter; D. Morton perceiving that denial of the prince's supremacy 
Morton conf. of the pop. auth par. 3 p. 25. p. 26.  was proved to be the doctrine of their Bishop Bilson, D. Fulke, D. Whitaker, D. Sutcliffe, D. Covell, D. Downame, D. Willet, M. Hooker, M. Bell, and others, chief writers among them, denieth it not, either for them, or himself; but referreth the matter to S. Leo Pope of Rome, who as he was one of the most learned godly fathers, that ever were, so he is known and acknowledged by protestants to be the greatest patron of the Pope's supremacy, that was in that primitive and learned age, and taught as M. Ormerod telleth us; that God did assist & direct that See in decrees. And yet neither king 
Ormer. pict pap. pa. 44.  nor Pope must be supreme head when it pleaseth them; But either their Bishops or presbytery. M Ormerod thus relateth their opinion▪ 
Ormerod dial. 2.  To these three joinily, that is the ministers, Senion and deacons, is the whole regiment of the church to be committed. And how far this Regiment by them extendeth is before expressed even to punish and depose princes; and M. Ormerod further recompteth in these words; Princes must remember, to subject themselves, to the church, to 
Ormerod. dial. 1.  submit their sceptres, to throw down their Crowns, before the church; yea to lick the dust of the feet of the church. And these so well agreeing protestants are, or were so far from swearing to the supremacy of a Temporal prince, that in Scotland as they themselves witness they caused our Soveraige king james to swear to their supremacy: The words of the protestant defender of the ministers Reasons are these; The King's majesty hath not 
Defence of the minist. reas. pag. 3. Survey of the Book of common prayer p. 23.  only subscribed, but sworn to the discipline. An other protestant writer hath these words: is it not generally known, that his majesty hath by subscription, sworn to maintain the discipline in Scotland, in these words? To the which we join ourselves willingly in doctrine, faith, Religion, discipline, and use of the holy sacraments, as a lively member of the same; promising● and swearing by the great name of our Lord, that we shall defend the same, according to our vocation, and power all the days of our life, under the pain contained in the law, and danger both of body and soul, in the day of God's fearful judgement. And yet his majesty hath told us before, that these men to obtain their purpose, first gave supremacy to the Queen there; But their purpose now obtained the King himself by their Relation subscribeth & sweareth to their supremacy, as a subject to them as his Superiors.  
What most horrible and odious positions about depriving, deposing, killing, and murtheringe of princes, not sutinge to their humours in Religion, not without horror to be named, are recorded by their brother Whittingham 
Wittingh. pref. to Goodni▪ book.  deane of durrhame, and affirmed to be approved by the best learned at Geneva, Caluine, Whittingham, Goodman, Gilby, Coverdale, (one of their pretended Bishops from whom D. Sutcliffe before claimeth their ministry) Whiteheade english protestants and others, and to be seen in they survey of holy discipline attributed to their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury 
Survey of of Hol. discipl.  D. Bancroft, which I briefly remember here though before the time of my six limited years: Because the protestant Authors of the offer of conference speaking in the name of all their protestant profession, call those positions the doctrine of the worthiest protestants, and thus 
Offer of Confer p. 18. 19  affirm, they consent in judgement with those parsons, and churches, and together with other churches hold the foresaid positions. And Doctor Covell will secure me in this point, that I do 
Couell exam. pag, 35. 36.  not exceed my limits: his words be these: That it is lawful to kill wicked kings, wa● the doctrine of the best and most learned about Geneva and those parts. Neither need we to seek these obedient doctrines at Geneva where they deprived their temporal prince, or in Scotland deposing their lawful Queen and Princess, England itself will yield us too much choice of these doctrines. M. Ormerod doth thus relate them: what King, Prince or Emperor shall disannul 
Ormer. pict purit. epist. ded. etc. 2. supr. d. 3.  the discipline; he is to be reputed God's enemy, and to be held unworthy to reign above his people. And more plainly of all princes in general in these words; Kings and princes are naturally enemies to the liberty of the gospel; and can never patiently hear the yeoke of Christ. The 
sup. ●. 1.  government of the common wealth must be framed according to the government of the church, where there must be equality, and parity. whereupon their Bishop Barlowe thus relateth the speech of his majesty in their public Conference; The presbytery aswell agreeth with a monarchy, as God and the devil▪ lack and Tom and 
Conference at Hampt. Court. p. 79  Will and Dick will Censure the King, and all their proceed at their pleasure, in scotlan he was a king without state, without honour, without order: where beardless boys would brave him to his face. And in open parliament 
pa. 4. sup.  his majesties words be these: The sect of puritanes is unable to be suffered in any well governed 
K. speech in parlam. 19 Mart. An. 1603.  commonwealthe. Then the parliamentary protestants agreeing with them as they have absolutely told us, in all essential things, such as these be, must needs be as guilty in these Crimes. And the rather because their protestant Brethren that were Authors of the offer 
Offer of Cōf●r. p. 35.  of Conference write in these words; The ministers do much more advance the Royal dignity, than the prelate's do. Then if the protestant Bishops, with their ministers do more disallow the Royal dignity, than the puritans which as before do utterly overthrow and take it away, they must needs deny all Royal dignity and Regality, especially if they will retain the name of protestants: for the same protestants have further written that those positions so contrary to the princely and Regal state, were the doctrine of the worthiest protestants. And to 
Offer. supr. pag. 18. 19  show that these parliament protestants, and some in credit among them, will be of the same opinion with these worthiest protestants; D. Morton confirmeth the manifest treasons & Rebellion of his fellow protestants in seeking 
Morton Replic part 2. pag. 100▪▪ 101  against the statutes of this kingdom and the last will and testament of K. Henry 8. not only to disable the Regiment of Queen Mary, and Elizabeth, but to overthrow the inheritance and right of his majesty, to be lawful Actions. To justify the Rebellion of his protestant Bishops Cranmer and Ridley he writeteth thus: 
Morton s●●▪ pag. 110.  whereof can you accuse Cranmer, Ridley and all protestants, for taking Arms against Queen Mary? from whence I conclude if they were to be accused of nothing as evil; Then because, non datur actus indifferens in individuo, no● Act in particular, is indifferent, but good or bad, their Act, not to be accused for evil, by Doctor Morton; must needs be good. And so to make Rebellion against a lawful prince is not only lawful but virtuous and commendable by his divinity. That every of their pretended Bishops and presbyteries must judge in causes of princes, 〈◊〉 proved by them before. Yet he approveth these protestant propositions; when a king commandeth against God, he usurpeth 
pag. 116.  God's throne, and herein he loseth his Royalty, which is to be obeyed. Terrene princes bereave themselves of power, when they arise against God, yea are unworthy to be accounted in the number of men; Therefore we must rather spit on their heads, then obey them. He maintaineth Caluins 
pag. 119.  expelling the lawful prince of Geneva; and these propositions of Luther▪ protestant's hands must be imbrued with blood; and that be 
pag. 120.  had warrant from God to battle against Princes. The positions of Tyndall were so impious, that I find them not printed in Fore his monuments of the last editions yet D. W●llet, avoweth them for lawful doctrine. Wherein these be contained. Every man is Lord of other men's goods. The children of faith are under no● 
Willet Anti pag. 203  law. Sin cannot condemn us. He that desireth more may read M. Fox in the first edition▪ He also compareth the rebelleous, death of 
pag. 178. up.  Zwinglius to the death of good josias. D. Feild speaking of that great protestant Rebellion, writeth thus. That Zwingliu● dying in the Field with his countrymen in defence of their Religion i● 
Filled. l. 3. pag. 188.  an excellent proof and demonstration of the christian magnanimity, and resolution that rested in him, Then if it is not only a lawful act, but an excellent Demonstration of the grea●e heroical virtue, Christian magnanimity; That princes are not to be obeyed but spit upon if they differ in Religion▪ that protestant hands must be ●mbrued with blood in such affairs, every man is Lord of others goods Protestant's do well in deposing or expellings princes: ●● these parliament protestants teach us, I may justly conclude; The opinions of them both be most damnable 
Owen l. pil. and her. pa 46 47. 48. 49 50. 51. 52. 53.  in this point: And therefore they are not to be communicated with in such Religion. To these M. David Owen addeth the rebellious both doctrine and practise of these prim● protestants; The Citizens of Geneva, John Guluy●●, Christopher Goodman, Knox, T●eodore Beza, the outlandish church's in London; junius, Eusebius, Philadelphus, Danaeus, George Buchanan, Thomas Cartwright, Hermanus Renegerus, Robert Rollo●ke, William Buchanan, and others, their very names are too tedious to be recited, their treasonable positions, and practices, able to furnish a whole volume, and not to be contained in this broviate. what their agreement is in this point will appear by the very title of the 9 chapter of his book in these words: The ninth chapter showeth the general Consent of the modern puritanes, touching 
Owen supr. cap 9 pag. 46  the coercion, deposition, and killing of kings, whom they call Tyrants. Therefore ●seing this kill doctrine, is the general doctrine of them, that agree with protestants in all essential things, protestants also must hold them, and we may not communicate with such men, in such things; both for this, and so many evident demonstrations, of the like nature before, from their own published, and publicly printed, or allowed writings, and proceed in Religeous business. Many others that might be added in this matter, I Willingly pass over, as little needful, where so many and manifest condemnations of these protestants both Religion, and persecution, have passed from their own pens, pulpits, parliaments, consistories and sentences against themselves, to their everlasting shame and confusion. Which I would also have passed over among other sufferings with silence, had not their manifold, and late barbarous dealings, especially of some in their foe termed ministry, and their dependants, and confederates enforced me to this manner of confutation. That which remaineth: God of his infinite mercy bless, preserve, and prosper his Majesty, Queen, and Children, together with the nobility, and this kingdom with all spiritual, and temporal blessings, and graces: and convert all that be in error, to his holy truth. An so I make an end.   
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