A BRIEF TREATISE IN WHICH, Is made plain, that Catholics living and dying in their Profession, may be saved, by the judgement of the most Famous and Learned Protestants that ever were. Against a Minister [N. E.] who in his Epistle exhorteth an Honourable Person, to forsake her ancient Catholic Roman Religion, & to become one of his new-found-out Protestant Congregation.  Deut. 32. Verse 31. 
Et Inimici nostri sunt judices.  
Our Enemies also are judges.  
Permissu Superiorum. M. DC. XXIII.   

THE PREFACE, Containing certain Considerations, as well for better understanding the drift of this Treatise, as for avoiding all cavils, and answering such Objections as might be made against this Grand Protestant Iury.  

The Zwinglians are to be numbered (say the Lutherans) with th● Anabaptists Nestorians & Turks. And again. The Zwinglians call the Lutherans Eutichians, and overthrowers of many articles of faith. jezler de Diuturnit. Bell. Euchar. pag. 78. Stancarus. All the Churches which those men call Reform by the Gospel and the Son of God, & hold the faith of Geneva & Zuricke, concerning Christ, are Arians: neither can this he denied, which I have above demonstrated. So he. de Trinit. c. 8. Sturmius. By these hateful dissensions & perverse opinions, the foundations of our Religion are overthrown, the chiefest articles are called in question, many heresies are brought into the Church of Christ, and the high way to Mahometisme & Atheism is apparently prepared. Again. The Lutherans (saith he) do hold the Protestant Caluinian Churches of England, France, Flanders and Scotland for heretical, & their Martyr● for martyrs of the devil. De ration, Concord. ineund. l. ●. p. 2. & 24.  FOR the better understanding of what we are about to handle in this Treatise; we must observe first, that the main drift, and scope thereof, is to show how it is fare better, and more secure to live & dye a Catholic in the Roman Church, than a Protestant in what Congregation soever: not only because one of them doth condemn the other for schismatics, and Heretics as uncapable of salvation; but also because Catholics do never affirm that Protestants living and dying Protestans may be saved: not for want of charity in Catholics (as some do cavil) seeing they desire nothing more than the salvation of all, but for want of true faith in Protestants, without the which it is impossible to please God. whereas Protestant's do not deny, that comfort to any virtuous Roman Catholic: so that for the salvation of 
●or that brea●● (saith D. white among us Protestants) only toucheth some particular men in matters not concerning f●yth ●n the way▪ pag. 13● Rog●rs in his Preface to the book of Articles. Willet Antilog pag. ●5. 20. D Georg Abbot against Hill. p. 101. 102. D. Dove. In matters of religion we all agree. Persuas p. 3●. And if they do not agree in on faith ●ow ●● they be the true Church which is but o●e, & hath only one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism? Ephes. ●. Cantic. 6. 8. My dove is one, Symbolum Constant▪ O●e holy, Catholy●●●, and Apostolical Church. Cal. l 4 inst. c▪ ●. ●. ●. See Suarez dis●. de Ecc Sect. 4 ●. ●. l. de fide, spe etc.  Catholics, we have not only the belief of Catholics themselves, but also the judgement of most Famous and Learned Protestants, who teach the same, either expressly, or at least in such terms, as with the help of their own brethren with whom they are said to agree, at least in all material points, may sufficiently be proved; and in this sense are to be understood the verdicts of all those which may seem not to be so full, and sufficient as the other in this Grand Protestant Iury. As for example, Zanchius and other Protestants affirm that the Roman Church, as yet is the Church of God. Here in express words is not averred, that those who live, and die well in this Church may be saved, which nevertheless according to the common doctrine of Catholics doth plainly enough imply the possibility of salvation to all those who are members of such a Church. For if they cannot be saved in the Church of God, which is but one, where else should they seek for their salvation? Or if they cannot but be damned in the Church of God, 
M. Cartright. I doubt not but diverse fathers of the Greek Church who were great Patroness of , are saved. M. Spark, discoursing of the honouring of Saints Relics & prayer for the dead, saith, We are not so hasty to pronounce sentence of condemnation of any for such errors. Acontius, concerning the Real presence▪ Both those that deny it, and those that do hold it, are in the way of Salvation. Concerning Transubstantiation D. Luther writeth thus: Bread & wine are not in th● Sacrament of the Altar, but the shows or accidents of bread and wine: for the bread is changed into the true and natural body of Christ, & the wine into the true and natural blood of Christ. Serm. de Euch. Concerning receiving under one or both kinds, there is no commandment, saith D. Luther. Concerning the Pope● Supremacy, about it (saith D. Luther) he is to be borne with all. Melancton teacheth, how his Monarchy is profitable. Concerning Satisfaction. It was an error in the holy Fathers (saith D. Whitaker) yet notwithstanding they were good men and holy Fathers. Did not john H●●se that worthy Champion of Christ (saith M. Francis johnson) & other martyrs of foretimes, hear & say Mass even to their dying day etc. Did not also divers of them acknowledge, some the Pope's calling an● Supremacy, some 7. Sacraments, some auricular Confession? And Benedict Morgenstern. These things were pardonable in the Godly who held the Pope to be the Vicar of Christ, and head of the Church, the Papacy for the Church, Saintes for mediators, and the Mass for the Supper of the Lord. See the Protest. Apol. pag. 471. & 684. You may find above three score points of Catholic Doctrine, taught by learned Protestants, through all the seaventh Section.  how doth such an assembly deserve to be styled the Church of God, and not rather the Synagogue of Satan? But if Zanchius or any other call, the Church of Rome the Church of God, although it have some damnable errors, which hinder the professors thereof from their salvation; I hope by clearing those imagined errors from being any such bars, out of Zanchius his own learned brethren, every one may infer, that Zanchius with the help of his brethren Protestants, affordeth salvation to all Catholics, living well, and dying in the Church of Rome. The helps which we have out of learned Protestants be these: To wit that neither the belief of free will, prayer to saints, the real presence, transubstantiation, receiving under one or both kinds, worshipping of Images, the Pope's supremacy, and the monarchy of the B. of Rome, satisfaction, merit of good works, private Mass, seven Sacraments, or any such taught by the Roman Church, do hinder any from being capable of their salvation: not only because they were all believed of the holy Fathers, who notwithstanding the belief of them have been reputed always Saints; but because diverse famous learned Protestants, brethren to all these jury▪ men, teach the same expressly: whose names you may read in the margin, and what they say more largely in the Protestants Apology pag. 471 684. etc. Which being applied to what want soever occurreth in the verdicts of any named in the jury, will make it clear, that no such can be any impediment wherefore the same verdict ought not to pass, as currant and good. And therefore when either Zanchius, Mornay, Seravia, or any other of these jurors do accuse the Church of Rome of Adultery, committing Idolatry, bringing up children to the devil, or of any such villainies contrary to the true faith, for believing any of these points now rehearsed; we must tell them in plain words, that these be no such lets as they imagine, but rather their own false and forged crimes, mere untruths, and calumniations put upon the Church of Rome to make her odious to the common people, or for some other base end: seeing their own brethren confess against them, saying, that the belief of these cannot either hinder their sanctity, or debar any Catholic from obtaining their chiefest good, and everlasting salvation; which if they had judged to be Heresies, Idolatries, and such like abominations, it may be presumed they would never teach. 
Calu. l. 4. c. 1. n. 17.   
2. Again, we must observe with M. Caluin, that there hath been no time since the creation of the world, wherein the Lord hath not had his Church, and that there shallbe also no time to the very end of the world wherein he shall not have it. But now as for the Church of Rome it is certain that it did continue the true visible church from christ until the time of Constantine, as M. Caluin hereafter avoucheth: and that from Constantine until the time of Luther it never was interrupted is 
M. Napier upon the Revelations. page 145. 16●. 163. 19●. 237.  witness M. Napier, who saith, that from the year 316. God withdrew his visible Church from the open assemblies, to the hearts of particular godly men, during the space of 1260. years. The Pope and his Clergy having possessed the outward visible Church of Christians even 1260. years, the true Church abiding so long latent & invisible: out of which we infer that all whosoever have been saved since Christ's Church was erected, and sufficiently divulged, have been saved in the Roman Church: and whosoever have died as members cut off from her, or out of her, could never attain to the hopeful promises 
Calu. l 4. c. ●. ●. 4. D. Whitaker. Out of the Church there is no other sea●●, but the seat of error & pestilence, and everlasting destruction.  of their chiefest good; but miscarrying of their salvation could not avoid to be damned. For what M. Caluin delivereth speaking of the visible Church is most true, to wit: That out of her lap no remission of sins is to be hoped, nor any salvation at all. But 
Milius. If Luther ●ad bad orthodoxal forerunners▪ there had been no need of a Lutheran reformation. ●o Exp●cat. Confess. Aug. art. 17. Luther saith, we dare boast that Christ was first published by us. Epist. ad Arge●●. M. jewel, Luther & Zwinglius were appointed of God to kindle again the light which you had quenched. Defence. Apol. part. 1 c. 7. diuis. 3. pag. 56. Pareus. In Const●ntines time the Church begun to wax sick to death, notwithstanding the Catholic Church remained. But where? In the desert, a●●● the world▪ withdrawn from the eyes of ●en. lib. 4. de gratia & lib. arb.  that there was never any other visible Church of God, which hath continued since Christ's time, but the Church of Rome, with her adherents, the Protestants themselves confess. For although some fond imagine, that they had a Church; yet neither Luther nor Caluin, nor any other could ever point any such out, which was apparent or visible to the eye of men. For who can truly name any one Lutheran before Martin Luther, or any one Caluinist before john Caluin? Verily none: and much less a continual, and never-interrupted succession of Lutherans, or Caluinists since Christ's time, who were not as invisible to the world, and as unknown as ever were those who are as yet unborn. A most foolish thing than it is, yea and most ridiculous to avow that indeed there were such a company of zealous Protestants, as some are not ashamed to say, and that for above a thousand years they were all latent and invisible: which not only is impious, and contrary to the Majesty of the glorious 
Who will not say that it was a s●●a●g● Church that had neither beginning, nor ending, no defender, no reprover, no mouth to utter, or ea●● to hear it, nor pen to write, nor place to rest in. So M. jewel in a like matter. Art. 2. divis. 8. S. Austin, What is this thou sayest? The Church to have perished in all Nations, when as to this end the Gospel is preached, that it may be in all Nations? Therefore even to the end of the world the Church i● in all Nations, and this is the shortness of her days. In Psal. 101. Th●se Marks (saith D. Willet) cannot be absent from the Church: and it is no longer a true Church than it hath these mark●s. For the only absence of them doth make a nullity of the Church. In his Synops. pag. 69. & 71. which not to have been among Protestants, for above a ●000. year's will witness M. Nappier: but in some fashion to have been always in the Church of Rome is granted by M. Bony in his Verdict: which fashion to have been the right and true fashion, is evinced from thence, that otherwise the Ch●●ch had perished, contrary to Christ's prediction saying, The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. M. Caluin lib. 4. inst. c. 1. ●. 4. Cal ●. 4. inst. c. ● 〈◊〉 If God did intent that the Covenant should remain inviolable, & left Baptism a testimony thereof for Catholic children, as here M. Caluin doth insinuate; how doth no● the Couen●t to this day remain among them in the Church of Rome? Again, if the faith of Catholic parents be sufficient to place their children in the Couen●t & state of salvation; how much more may it be thought to establish the parents themselves in that Covenant in whom reside● that faith, which is so beneficial to their children? Moreover, if the foundation of the Church half cast down doth remain among Catholics, a● M. Caluin teacheth, which is the true faith & doctrine of Christ 1. cor. 3. v. ●1. who dare deny that they are in the Covenant, or that they may not be saved, albeit they build there upon wood, hay, & stubble, at least by fire, seeing this is the express doctrine of the Apostle?  Kingdom of Christ foretold by the Prophets; but likewise quite opposite to that which they give out of the essential notes, and marks of their church, which is the pure preaching of the Word, and the true administration of the Sacraments: which to make invisible were rather to be thought the dreams of mad men, and bedlams, them the solid and sound doctrine of such great Rabbins and Doctors, who for their supposed virtue & learning would rather be accounted wise Sages by the common people, yea & to be styled Reformers forsooth, and that of the true church of God▪ from whence we may conclude, that if there be no entry into life, unless (as M. Caluin saith) the visibl● Church like a Mother conceive us in her womb, unless she bring us forth, unless she feed us with her breasts, finally unless she keep us under custody, and government until such time as being unclothed of mortal flesh, we shallbe like unto Angels; and no other visible church can be assigned since christs time but the church of Rome, as we have seen: we must needs infer, that as all whosoever have been saved hitherto, for all that time, were members of the Roman church; even so all those who desire to arrive to the happy haven of Heaven hereafter, must live well, & dy● in that church; otherwise they are never like to be partakers of that unspeakable joy, which is the salvation of their own souls, and to live with God for ever.  
3. Herehence for better understanding of M. Caluin his verdict, saying, When God hath left his Cou●nant in France Ita●y, Germany, Spain, England, since these Provinces have been oppressed with the tyranny of Antichrist (whom he saith is the Pope sitting in the Church of God) yet that this Covenant might remain inviolable▪ first he there preserved baptism the testimony of his Covenant; we gather that the Verdict which is set down for him, to wit, that the Covenant of God hath remained with them inviolable, to be most true; for seeing according to that of M. Caluin, all those who were hitherto saved, could not attain their salvation but in the visible Church, which was and is only the Church of Rome, as we have seen out of M. Nappier; it followeth, that in her the Covenant of God could not but be kept inviolable. Again, if the Covenant of God was to be kept inviolable in any company, especially in that which is the Church of Christ, the Sanctuary and Temple of God; 
Seravia also will help M. Caluins' Verdict who saith, That the Covenant of God to this day doth remain in the latin Church. In defence▪ l. de gratia Minist. pag. 31. As concerning the baptising of the ch●dren o● catholics & how they are contained within the covenant. See the Protest. Apol. Tract 1. Sect. 6. p. 172. 173. & 174. M. Caluin. It is therefore called Catholic or Universal, because we cannot find two or three Churches, but that Christ must b● torn in sunder which cannot be done. l. 4. c. 1. n. 2. But betwixt the year of Christ 300. & 316. the Antichristian & Papistical reign beg●n, reigning universally, & without any debatable contradiction for 1260. years (last past before Luther) So M Napp●er upon the Revel propos. 37. pag. 68 And no other can be assigned to have had this universality, & therefore she is the only true Church of Christ.  but M. Caluin enobleth the church of Rome with all these titles, & therefore we may well conclude in his judgement, that the covenant of God was kept inviolable in the Church of Rome.  
Moreover, if Antichrist who is the Pope according to Caluin, doth sit in the Church of God, or which is all one, in the Church of Rome, of the which the Pope is head, & the church of God be but One, as himself avoucheth; it cannot but follow that either the Covenant is kept inviolable in the church of Rome, or no where: but to say it was kept no where, cannot be but most absurd, and therefore the other must of necessity be most true, to wit, the Verdict set down out M. Caluin, that the covenant remaineth with them, that is, with the catholics, and that inviolable. Neither can any avoid this by objecting, that Caluin doth not so much say that the Church, as the ruins thereof, and it half thrown down, are seen under the Pope: for so the church of christ saith Bellarmine had fallen, and the truth had lied, saying, The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. And again, neither the Lutherans, nor the Caluinists could be members of the true church: for the whole is fallen, and the ruins of the church half thrown down, is among the Papists under Antichrist: if they say, they have a new building; in that it is new, it is not Christ's: and who seethe not that it is better to be in the church of christ half pulled down, then in none; seeing that there is kept the covenant inviolable, or else no were. To this we add, that the Apostle saith not, that Antichrist shall sit in the ruins, or rubbish of the church; but absolutely he shall sit in the Temple of God: if then the Temple of God be the true church as other Protestants say, and that in it he shall sit, that is, he shall reign and govern as the head in the true church; how then can the assemblies of Lutherans or caluinists be the true church? seeing Antichrist shall not sit and domineer in this? or how can the covenant be inviolably kept in any other then in the church of Rome, which is only the true church? We conclude therefore, that out of Calvin's Doctrine with the help of his brethren, his Verdict is most certain, to wit, that the covenant of God hath remained with the catholics inviolable, yea and in her only, and no where else, as is proved.  
4. Lastly we must observe about the Verdict of Pl●ssey Mornay, which as I find in him speaking of the church of Rome, is this. We deny her not the name of Church, no more 
Mornay de Eccl. c. 2. As M. Caluin did prove the Church of Rome to have fallen from the true faith of Christ, with three gross lies. saying that the Popes have taught three grievous errors, to wit. That there is no God, no Christ, no Resurrection: Even so Plessey Mornay following his Father Caluin, tells us, that the Church of Rome is an Adultress, heretical and bringer up of children for the devil. See Caluin. l. 4. inst. c. 7. n. 27.  than the name of a man to a man, so long as he is alive though he be never so sick yea we are content to call ●er Spouse, in as much as she makes a part of the visible Church, so as they will sufferus withal to call her an adultress. But we say she is the most heretical Church of all those that e●er were: a spouse that provoked God to divorce her a mother that bringeth up children for the Diue●●. That which Plessey Mornay here saith in the commendation of the church of Rome we willingly admit, and have set it down for his Verdict: persuading ourselves that he could say no less truth, which is more forcible than either rack, or torment compelling him thereunto. For otherwise no man willingly lieth to his own shame; nor freely confesseth that which overthroweth his own cause. But what he uttereth against the Church of Rome, for being accursed and anathematised by her, for so many errors and heresies, both in Luther & Zuinglius, and other old rotten heretical 
Se F. Persons Relation of the Trial, with his defence thereof against Plessy, and O. E by N. D. Semel mendax semper praes●mitur mendax. Glossa. Admitten●ū in l. Si cui crimen §. 1. ff. de Accusation. Alciat. & Menoch.  Rake-hells of former times, we cannot so easily believe; but rather think than no better then notorious untruths, and mere slanders, as proceeding from him who had a great talon in this black Art of lying; which publicly was made known to his eternal shame by cardinal Perone, before the most Christian King and Court 
Luther. Whosoever is once taken in a lie, know most certainly that he is not of God but aught to be suspected in all things. In Assert. Teuton. art. 25. But Plessy Mornay was convinced before the King of France in 9 one day, and the exception that the Cardinal took against him did concern 4000 as is to be seen in the relation above cited. The Devil hath his Prophets (saith Ter●ullian) whose badge & mark is falsity & lying, so that it must of necessity fall, whatsoever is built upon such ● ground. de praescr. c. 40.  of France; and therefore we purposely have forborn to disgrace the jury with any such foul and filthy stuff, as he setteth down in the latter part of his sentence, seeing it is folly (saith his learned Brother Vorstius) to bring in the guilty as witnesses in their own cause, or rather to bring in one that hath been condemned, not once, but so often, to rage, rail, and lie, not only against his true and lawful judge, but also against many other Catholics, Peers, Princes, Kings and Emperors, who all according to Plessey, should have been bred and borne bastards by an Adultress, and brought up children Idolatours by an heretical harlot for the Devil. But (o my Plessey) I pray thee how could she be an Adultress, against whom Hell▪ gates were foretold never to prevail? or how could that Church be Heretical, which never was condemned either by any lawful general, or provincial Council? or by any other just commanding power? or how could she bring up children to the Devil, or be an Idolatress, who hath brought up all to God, that ever were brought to him since the first erecting of the Church of Christ, as we have showed before. These than are your malicious imputations, and not those glorious titles becoming Christ's unspotted Spouse, and her, who hath been accounted always the sacred Sanctuary, and the holy Temple of the living God. And therefore detesting your impieties, we must rather give ear and hearken to that holy Bishop and glorious Martyr S. Cyprian, who speaking of the Church writeth 
S. Cyprian de unitate Eccl.  thus. One Mother (saith he) there is by the fecundity of her issue copious and fertile: by her increase we are borne, with her milk we are nourished, we are animated with her spirit. The Spouse of Christ cannot play the adulteress, she is immaculate and undefiled, she knoweth one house, she keepeth with chaste bashfulness the sanctity of one bed. This Church preserveth us in God, this advanceth to the Kingdom the children she hath brought forth: whosoever divided from the Church, cleaveth to the adulteress, is separated from the promises of the Church. To whom we add S. Augustine, the greatest of all the Fathers and worthiest Divine the Church of God ever had since the Apostles, if we may believe D. Field; who is styled likewise the mouth of antiquity by other Protestants, giving us this wholesome Counsel against all s●ch slanderers of the church of Rome. For writing against the 
S. Aug. tom. 7. de unitate Eccles. c. 11.  like lies of the Donatists, I know (saith he) what is written in the holy and Canonical Scriptures concerning the Church of Rome; & the faith thereof, I know not what you say of her Apostasy, or falling from her faith. Truly as we do read in books, the which you also do honour and reverence, of the Roman Church, and faith thereof: So also read you out of Books unto us, the which we also do honour and reverence, how she forsook and lost her faith. Doth it please you, that we should believe every slanderous reproach of men upon what occasion soever it was uttered and objected against the Roman Church, the which the Holy Ghost hath both delivered, and commended unto us by his holy Scriptures? This indeed is pleasing to you; but whom it should more justly please, you see well enough: but you being overcome by obstinacy will not yield to the truth.  
We therefore being about to look as well into the true doctrine and verity, as into the holiness and purity of this Church, from whence doth proceed the security of living and dying well in her lap; we are to use the testimonies especially of Famous Protestants, to the end the banners of her glory may be carried about, and displayed by the penns, and mouths of our Adversaries; that all whosoever are not maliciously bend, may thereby extol and magnify the infinite goodness of God's providence, who hath made, as we may say, even the enemies of his Church, and children, although otherwise partial witnesses, with open mouth to cry out and blaze abroad in effect, That this is the seed, and family of jesus Christ, whom our Lord hath blessed: yea and hath made the 
S. Cyprian. l. 1. ep. 3.  holy Ghost to inspire the ancient Fathers to warrant us, that this is the Church to 
S. Hierom. l. 3. Apol. contra Ruffin.  which misbelief can have no access; which receiveth no forgery; and though an Angel 
S Cyril. apud D. Thom. in catena.  teach otherwise, then hath been once preached, guarded with S. Paul's authority, it cannot be changed; which remaineth unspotted from 
S. Gregor. Nazianz in carm. de vita sua.  all seducing and heretical circumvention; which hath the true faith, even from the times of our forefather's; & always remaineth as is fit for a city, that ruleth the whole world, to have ever more a sound faith to God. Out of all which we may conclude, that this is that blessed Company of holy ones, that household of sanctity, that spouse of christ, & church of the living God, which is the Pillar and ground of truth, whose communion we may boldly embrace, whose directions we may safely follow, & rest securely in her judgements, as in that sacred society, the which for this 1600. years hath yielded up all those blessed Souls of the Apostles, Martyrs, Confessors, Virgins, and of all the rest to God, which now do reign most gloriously with jesus Christ the King of glory in Heaven. This being so set down, let us proceed to the jury.   

Faults to be corrected.  
In the title of the Preface, all cavils, read, some cavils.  
Pag. 8. lin. vlt. Subbs. read Stulbs.  
Pag. 14. lin. 2. humble. more humble.  
Pag. 18. lin. 23. name of a man, as, read name of a man to a man, as etc.  
Pag. 25. in the margin, add, Luth. declarat. quorumdam artic. cited by Coccius tom. 1. lib. 7. Thesauri pag. 855.   

A GRANDE JURY Of most famous and learned Protestants, assuring all Catholics of their Salvation, if they live and dye well, in the Catholic Roman Faith and Church.  

The Names of the jury Men.  
D Luther.  
M Caluin.  
D. Whitaker.  
D. C●●ell.  
D. Morton.  
M. Hooker.  
Zanchius.  
Sclusselburg.  
Polanus.  
junius.  
Boyswell.  
Bunny.  
Plessis Mornay.  
Seravia.  
D. White.  
D. Willet.  
Sir Edwin Sands.  
M. Stubbs.  
M. holinshed.  
D. Godwin.  
M. Cambden.  
Crentremius.  
Theatre of great Brit.  
M. Fox.   
WE suppose as granted out of the 
Rom. 1. Act. 18. 30.  Apostles, that the Church of Rome was once the true Church of God and so to have continued for diverse hundred years, as the Protestants themselves confess. For M. jewel would have us believe: That as well Saint Augustine, as also other godly Fathers 
jewel in his Reply to M. Harding pag. 246.  rightly yielded reverence to the Sea of Rome etc. for the purity of religion which was preserved there a long time without spot. Seeing it was a thing notorious (saith M. Caluin) and without doubt, that after the Apostles age 
Caluin in his Instit. in french lib. 4. sect. 3. Protestant. Apol. pag. 210.  until these times (to wit of Saint Augustine) no change was made in doctrine, neither at Rome nor at any other Cities, which was 440. years after Christ But D. Morton confirming M. jewels challenge averreth, that protestants in oppugning 
D. Mort. Appeal lib. 4. c. 30. pag. 573. ●74.  doctrines which they call new, and not Catholic, are so far off from suffering the limitation of the first 440. years, that they give the scope of the first 600. years; within the compass of which Saint Gregory lived, who sent Sain● Augustine the Monk into England: and therefore he acknowledgeth that, the Pagan and Heathenish people by the light of the Gospel through the Ministry of Augustin, the Legate of Saint Gregory were brought into the fold of Christ. And herehence saith B. Morton our authors called it a gracious 
Morton lib. 1. pag. 60.  conversion. But now this being supposed that the Church of Rome was the true Church for so many ages together, in the which salvation was to be had: It remaineth that we demonstrate and show, how not only then but also ever after that time even unto this day, that Church hath been the only Ark and sanctuary, in the which whosoever have lived and died well, could not miscarry nor miss of their salvation, and that therefore there is no reason why any being a member of that Church should leave it and be take himself to any other assembly or Congregation, seeing there is but one true Church, and that in her salvation can be obtained, and in all others nothing but damnation is to be expected Which we will endeavour to prove out of the testimonies of most 
Bale likewise saith. That Augustin was sent from Gregory to season the English with the Popish faith & that King Ethelbert died one & twenty years after h● had received Popery. Cent. 1. fol. 3. M. Napiere. The Pope with his Clergy never suffered for the space of a thousand years after Silvester the first, any to be seen vouchable or visible of the true Church. pag. 239. holinshed in the History of England.  grave and learned Protestants. Supposing out of Venerable Bede, that Saint Augustine was sent by S. Gregory to this our Nation, to convert it above 1000 years since, from Paganism to Christ. For these be his words. Saint Augustine coming into England, delivered his errand to King Ethelbert saying, he came from Rome, and brought a joyful message, which whosoever would obey should have eternal joys, & a perpetual Kingdom with the true and living God. Which is confirmed out of your own Protestant English Historiographers, and therefore we will begin with their verdicts, and make them as the Foremen of this sufficient, full, and complete Protestant jury, of whom we will choose holinshed to be the first.  
holinshed therefore speaking of Saint Augustine writeth thus. Augustine (saith he) and his company arrived at Canterbury, where he made his abode by the King's permission, exercised the life of the Apostles, in fasting, clothing, and prayers, and preaching the word of God to as many as they could, despsing all worldly pleasures, as not appertaining to them, receiving only of them whom they taught, things seeming necessary to the sustenance of their life, all living in all points according to the doctrine which they set forth. Item. At last, King Ethelbert was persuaded by the good example of Saint Augustine and his company, and by miracles showed, to be baptised.  
And M. Fox speaking of Saint Augustine, writeth thus. At length when the King had 
Fox lib ●. pag. 116. of his Acts. etc.  well considered the honest conversation of their life, and moved with their miracles wrought through God's hands by them, he heard them 
I doubt not but God afforded many miracles to the first infancy of our Church. So D▪ Godwin in the life of S. David.  more gladly, and lastly by their wholesome exhortations & example of good life, he was by them converted, and christened in the year 596.  
Saint Augustine (saith Cambden) commonly called the Apostle of the English, sent hither by Gregory the great, having destroyed the Monsters of heathenish impiety with most happy success, planting Christ in their minds, converted them 
Cambden in his Britan. pag. 125.  to the Christian faith. Again: Strait upon the preaching of the name of Christ the English did consecrate themselves unto Christ, in so fervent a manner, that the diligence is incredible, they used in the propagation of the name of Christ, in the performance of the duties thereof, in the diuulging of Christian religion, in building of Churches, in enriching and adorning of the same; that no Province of Christendom could have numbered more Monasteryes than England could in Catholic times: & even 
Fox. pag. 137. That none of all these King's Queens, Princes, and Prelates were Protestant's is proved in the prudentiall Balance, and the Protestants themselves confess no less. For M. Nappiere saith: That for these thousand two hundred and threescore years the Pope & his Clergy hath possessed the outward and visible Church of Christians, reigning without any debatable contradiction: God's truth (to wit the Protestant Church) most certainly abiding so long latent, and invisible. upon the Revel. pag. 145.  some Kings have preferred religious and monastical lives before Kingdoms. So many have been the holy men that England hath brought forth, and which for their most firm profession of Christian religion, most solid constancy and sincere devotion therein, have been put into the Calendar of Saints, that in this point it hath not been inferior to any Christian Province whatsoever: yea, as Britain was termed by Porphyrius a profane Philosopher, Fer●x Tyrannorum provincia: A province fertile of Tyrants; so likewise England may be styled, Insula Sancto rum feracissima: An Island fruitful of Saints. So far Cambden.  
To whom ●e may add another famous Protestant author, who tells us for the time past that more Kings and Queens in England only have becomed Monks, and Nuns, and now by Protestants honoured for Saints in heaven, than ever were Protestant Kings and Queens in all the world, though never so unworthy the name of Saints or Sanctity: which are all to be seen in the Theatre of Britain.  
john Fox also relateth how that eight Kings of England left their Kingdoms and became Monks, whose names are these: King Kinegil●●s, King Cead wall, King Inas, King Ethelred, King Sigebert, King Coenred, King Offa, King Edbert. Of whom he saith, that it is most like they did it for holiness sake, thinking in this kind of life to serve and please God better: but in this, saith Fox, they were deceived. To these we may join 19 Kings & Queen's daughters, whom also M. Fox confesseth to have left their Royal estates, and became Nuns. And he relateth out of an ancient Chronicle that in the primitive Church of England, Kings, Prince's Dukes, Earls, Barons & rulers of the Churches 
Fox lib. 2. pag. 114.  incensed with a desire of heaven, labouring and striving among themselves to enter into Monasteries, into voluntary exile & solitary life, forsook all and followed the lord And as conconcerning the piety and devotion of other Catholics after, the Centurists writ thus saying: Although in this age (to wit the seaventh) the worship of God was darkened with man's traditions and superstitions; yet the study to serve God and to live godly and justly, was not wanting to the miserable common people etc. they were so attentive to their prayers, as they bestowed almost the whole day therein. They did exhibit to the Magistrate due obedience, they were most studious of amity, concord and society, so as they could easily remit injuries: all of them were careful to spend their time in honest vacation and labour: to the poor & strangers they were 
Centurists. cent. 7. c. 7. col. 181. S●ubbs in his motive pag. 43.  most courteous and liberal; and in their judgements and contracts most true.  
M. Subbs in his Motive to good works, saith. Certainly, to speak the truth, there is many times found conscionabler and plainer dealing among most of the Papists, then amongst many protestants. And if we look narrowly into the ages past, we shall find more godlives, devotion and zeal, though blind, more love one to another, more fidelity & faithfulness every way in them, than is now to be found in us. And again he further saith. Is it not a shame unto us 
Stubbs in his motive pag. 72. To name one amongst many Robert Winchelsey the 49. Archb of Canterbury: Besides the daily fragments (saith Godwin) of his house, he gave every Friday and Sunday to every beggar a loaf of Bread, & there were every such Alms days, four or five thousand people. Besides this every great festival day, he sent a 150. pence to such poor people as could not fetch his Alms.  that our forefathers living in the times of superstition etc. should so far notwithstanding out pass us in good works, as that we may not once be compared to them in any small measure? Hence, for good works, who seethe not that herein they were far beyond us, & we far behind them. For example, what memorable famous buildings, and what monuments have they left to the world behind them? What Churches, Chapels, and other houses of prayer did they erect, to the end the Religion and service of God might be continued? Yea what Monasteries, Abbeys, Priories, and other religious houses etc. what number of goodly bridges did they make. How many Almshouses, Hospitals, and Spitals, did they found etc. What high ways, what pavements and causies? in sum what famous Colleges, Hals, & Universities, what schools? In so much as the former Statute of Mort-main (now needles) was yet then thought needful to be made in restraint of such liberal devotion.  
But to give some taste in particular of those famous and godly men who lived in these times, we will begin with Saint Dunstone Archbishop of Canterbury, who was most gracious to King Edward, and Ethelrede, as wittnesseth M. Godwin, under whom he ruled all things, at his pleasure, and for the most part admired for a most holy & virtuous man, and after canonised for a Saint.  
Saint Elphege another Archbishop of the same sea, was (saith the same author) of great parentage, & of wonderful abstinence, never eating or drinking nor sleeping more than necessity 
God win i● his life.  compelled him, spending his time altogether in piety, study, or other necessary business, so that with preaching & example of holy life he converted many to Christ.  
Duke William after his conquest made choice of Lanfranke for his wisdom and faithfulness to be Arch bishop of Canterbury, as one in all respects 
God win i● his life.  most fit and worthy. He was the most perfect (saith Bale) of his time in all kind of Logic or 
Bale Centur. ●●. cap. ●●.  subtlety of Aristotle. He corrected & amended according to the right faith, all the books of the old and new Testament which had been corrupted by fault of the writers, and also the writings of the holy Fathers. He was skilful in science (saith Stow) prudent in counsels, and government, and for religion and life 
Stow. Chron. pag. ●79.  most holy. He was (saith Godwin) bus● in exhorting Rufus to virtue and godliness. And as long as Lanfranke lived (saith Stow) Rufus seemed to abhor all kind of vice, in so much that he was counted the mirror of Kings.  
Saint Anselme likewise was a most worthy man of great learning, as his works yet extant do declare, and for integrity of life and conversation admirable: undoubtedly he was a good & holy man, and as worthy the honour of a Saint as any I think (saith Godwin) ever was canonised by the Pope since his time. None (saith Malmsbury) lived more observant of justice, 
Malmeb. lib. 4. Regum.  None at that time so sound learned, None so wholly spiritual, the Father of the country & the mirror of the world.  
Saint Thomas (saith Hoveden) was of life 
S. Thomas of Canterbury. Hoveden part. 2. Anal.  irreprehensible, he received day by day 3. or 5. disciplines at the Priest's hands: his inner garment was of rugged haircloth of goat's hair where with his whole b●dy was covered, from the elbow to the knees: he lay upon the bare ground before his bed, & never ceased from prayer until for very weariness he laid down his head upon a stone which he there placed instead of a bolster. (Also Fox saith) he was full 
Fox Acts. 206. God win in his life.  of devotion: and Godwin, that he was most canonically elected, and presently after his consecration became so grave, so austere, so devout in all outward show, as he seemed quite another man. King Henry the second, his voluntary penance for giving some cause, or occasion of his death, the same day was rewarded by a glorious 
Godwin in vit. Bald win. They lacked the doctrine & know ledge in Christ's Gospel, especially in the article of free justification by faith and therefore (saith Fox) they ran the wrong way. Acts. pag 133. And again speaking of our ancient Christian Kings he useth these words. How great the blindness & ignorance of these men was, who wanting no zeal, wanted knowledge, seeking their salvation by their meritorious deeds: which I writ (saith he) here to put us in mind how much we at this present are bound to God for the true sinceerity of his truth, hidden so long before to our forancestors, & opened now to us This only lamenting, to see them have such works and want our faith, and we to have a right faith & want their works. pag. 133.  Victory against his enemies. And what devotion our Ancestors had to this Saint may be seen by the riches they gave to his Shrine: of which Shrine Erasmus relateth, that the basest part was gold, it all shined glittering, and cast forth lightning by reason of the rare and mighty gems and precious stones; yea the whole Church in every part abounded more than with royal riches. And every one (saith Godwin) thought himself happy, that could do any thing to his honour.  
But now (as D. Barlow saith) although Kings have many occasions, which may allure them to sin, especially having that privilege in scripture, whether ex gratia, or de facto, whether from exemption from God, or grace of men: that no man may say unto them, Why do you this? Yet among our anncient Catholic Kings, have been so many and so eminent in all kind of devotion, holiness, and sanctity as we need not bring in any other for our present purpose saving only some of them set down to have been such. Yea even by our own learned Protestant authors. For,  
King Oswald (saith Stow) with a small army overcame the Britain's, and slew Ceadwall their King. He sent for Aidan a Scot to advance the Christian Religion among his people, gave him holy Island for his sea▪ he enlarged his Kingdom, reconciled the Deiri & Bernitians which deadly hated one another: he was slain by the ●●gans fight for his Country; & at last (saith Stow) was canonised for a Saint● whose faith & devotion was so great (saith Beda) that he did 
Theatre pag. 337.  shine with miracles after his death. Of this King Oswalds' hand, other Protestant's write (for being bountiful to the poor,) That after his death it never consumed, but was shrined in silver in S. Peter's Church at Bedda, now Bambrough, with worthy honour, was worshipped for the miracles & eures that it did, as likewise the earth whereon his blood was spilt.  
King Canutus went on Pilgrimage to 
Theatre of great Britain. pag. 391. 392.  Rome, to visit the sepulchre of Saint Peter and Saint Paul, built many Churches and Abbeys, greatly reverenced Saint Bennet: he offered up his crown upon the Martyr's Saint Edmund's Tomb. Most▪ rich and Royal jewels he gave to the Church of Winchester, whereof one is recorded to be a Cross worth as much as the whole revenue of England amounted to in one year. He set his crown on the head of the picture of our Saviour on the Cross at Winchester, never wearing it more. Cooper saith, that for his virtuous life he was 
Cooper. A●. 1027.  worthy to live perpetually. He was of great magnificence, and used such justice and temperance that in his days there was no Prince of renown, towards God humble and lowly.  
Amongst all the Saxon Kings hitherto is found none to be preferred, or almost to be compared with Alfred, for the great and singular qualities in this King worthy of ●●gh renown, saith Fox, whether we behold his valiant acts and manifold travels for his Country, or his godly and excellent virtues joined with a public & tender care of the weal public, or whether we 
Bale cent. cap. 43. Cambd. pag. 444. Malmesb. lib▪ 2. c. 4. Westm. An. 892. 871.  respect his notable knowledge of good letters with a fervent desire to set forth the same throughout all his Realm. He fought (saith Bale) 57 times with the Danes, & according to Camb●en repressed them at his pleasure. He wrote & promulgated most Christian laws, & caused such peace, as he made bracelets of gold to be hung up in the high way which none durst touch. He daily hard Mass & said his hours & Matins, & in the night season unknown to all his servants he frequented Churches to hear service. In repairing beautifying and enriching monasteries he laboured earnestly, among which he built 
See Fox. pag. 142.  two of great renown: he was crowned and anointed by Pope Leo, & was termed his adoptive child, saith M. Bale: to whom S. Cuthbert 
Fox. Acts. lib. 3. p. 154.  appeared when he was in distress, assuring him that he should overcome the Danes, as he did indeed.  
King Edgar (saith Fox) was much given to all virtuous & princely acts worthy of much commendation and famous memory, excellent in justice, maintained the Godly, loved the modest, was devout to God, and beloved of his subjects, whom he governed in much peace and quietness. No year passed in the time of his Reign in which he did not some singular and necessary commodity for the commonwealth. 
Houed●n pag. 426.  A great maintainer of Religion and learning. He had in readiness 3600. ships of war▪ and made 8. King's to row him in a boat he sitting at 
Fox lib. 3. pag. 154. Prud. Balance pag. ●31.  the stern and guiding it. Moreover he was a great patron of Monkish religion, builded (as some say) as many Monasteries as there be Sundays in the year, or as Edne▪ ●porteth 48. Saint Editha was this King's daughter, who from her infancy was brought up in a monastery, and would not refuse 
Cooper an. 975. Stow. p. 113.  that life to enjoy the crown after her brother King Edward's death.  
Cooper and Stow write, how Saint Edward Martyr was in all kind of honest virtues comparable to his Father Edgar, began his sovereignty 
Fox Acts. pag. 159. Cooper. An. 977. Cambd. Briton. pag. 70●.  with much modesty and mildness, and worthily favoured of all: Was a virtuous and noble Prince (saith Fox) much pitiful and bountiful to the poor: for him (saith Cooper) after his death God shown many miracles. Of King Edward the first Cambden writeth thus. He was a Prince far excelling, in whose most valiant mind God chose a most worthy lodging, that he might match the height of Royal Majesty not only with fortitude and wisdom, but with beauty also and comeliness of body, whom Fortune in the prime flower of his age trained up in many wars and most difficult times of the Commonwealth, whilst that she disposed him for the British Empire: which when he was established in, he so governed, having overcome the Welshmen and triumphed over the Scots, that by good right he is esteemed another ornament of Britain.  
King Stephen (saith Stow) was a noble man, and passing hardy, of passing comely favour & personage, in all Princely virtues he excelled, as in martial policy, affability, gentleness, and bountiful liberality towards all. He was very noble in birth (saith Godwin) but much more in virtue, and all good manners: many miracles (wr●teth he) are said to be wrought at his Tomb. And this may suffice to understand in some manner the holiness and sanctity of our ancient Catholic Kings. But to proceed concerning other famous Calikes, D. Covell writeth thus of Alexander Hales▪ S. 
D. Couell in defence of Hooker pag. 241.  Bonaventure, and Saint Thomas, all three great defenders of the Roman Church. A●d first of Alexander Hales he saith, who made his Sum that excellent work, by commandment of Pope Innocentius the fourth; that he was called the fountain of life, because of that lively knowledge that flowed from him; he was master of Bona●ent ●re, a scholar not inferior to himself, of whom he was went to say, that in Bonaventure he thought Adam sinned not, meaning of that illumination, which was in him (and doubtless there was much in him) as though he had not been darkened by the fall of Adam: and therefore the Church called him the Seraphical doctor. To these Aquinas was not inferior; who came so near unto Saint Augustine; whom in his book against Burges he esteemeth the chiefest doctor that ever was, or ever shall be excepting the Apostles etc. that some thought he had all his works by heart, & by a common proverb it was spoken, that the soul of Saint Augustine dwelled in Aquinas, in whom above all the rest, four contrarieties were said to excel, abundance, brevity, facility & security, in respect whereof he gained the title to be called Angelical.  
Then if these men were the Pope's Agents, and yet so renowned and glorious, and their doctrine so secure and excellent, why may not we securely follow them in the same steps of Agency in such business. Now all this being so, it is no wonder if our adversaries are forced to set out, magnify, and extol the 
Luth. in ep. cont Anabaptist Tom. 2. Germ. fol 267. Where also he sauth, that under the Papacy there are many godly men & great Saints.  Church of Rome, and truly in that manner as they are not afraid to deliver their minds in such terms, as Catholics themselves could scarce desire or wish any better. For herehence we confess saith D Luther) that there is under the Papacy most of Christian good, yea, rather all Christian good, and that from thence it came to us: Verily we confess, that there is in the Papacy true Scripture, true Baptism, the true Sacrament of the Altar, the true keys to remission of sins, the true office of preaching, true Catechism; and I say further, that there is in the Papacy true Christianity, yea rather the true kernel of Christianity.  
M. Caluin against Sadolet. We do not deny those to be the Churches of Christ, in which 
Caluin against Sadolet pag. 128.  you govern. And in the 2. to the Thessalonians he confesseth that, the papacy is the Temple, yea and the Sanctuary of God: and else where, that the 
Caluin l. 4. instit. c. 2. n. 11.  covenant of God hath remained with them inviolable.  
junius. All divine things are in the Pope's Church, and hitherto it is the Church of God. 
junius. de Eccles. c 17. col. 1020.   
Zanchius. The Roman Church is yet the Church of God.  
Plessey Mornay. The Roman Church is the 
Mornay. lib. de Eccle. c. 2. & 10.  spouse of Christ, as yet not diverted from him, she is a mother that bringeth forth children to God: the name of the Church is no more to be denied to her, than the name of a man, as long as he liveth. 
Polan. part. 1. Thes de Eccles.   
Polanus. The Roman Church at this day, is yet the Church of Christ.  
Seravia. The Church of Rome it yet the Church: and see what I will say more: she is 
Seravia in defence. lib. de gratia Minist. pag. 3.  our mother, in the which, and by which God hath regenerated. And again The Covenant of God to this day doth remain in the Latin Church.  
Boyswell. I acknowledge the Church of 
Boys. in confut. Spon. pag. 6▪ 2. 283. 822.  Rome as yet to be in the Covenant of God; yea, she is the Church, the spouse, and the Temple of God; the Church of jesus Christ redeemed by him.  
D. Hooker. We acknowledge willingly 
D. Hooker. l. 3. de Politia Eccles. p. 128.  them, to wit the Papists, to be of the family of jesus Christ.  
D. Cou●ll. I affirm the members of the 
Cou●ll. in Apol. pag. 68  Church of Rome to be members of the true Church of Christ, and that those who live and dye in that Church, may be saved.  
And D. Whitaker doth confess, That amongst 
D. Whitaker contro. 4. 9 5▪ c. 3. p. 682.  the Papists is a ministry, and a certain preaching of the Word, which without doubt to some is sufficient to salvation. 
D. White in defence c. 7. p. 356. cap. 41. p. 408.   
I never deemed (saith D. White) that to be the visible Church of God, in the which our Ancestors held the true faith, and were saved. And again. We confess, that the Church of Rome in all ages, hath been the visible Church of God. 
Schluss tom 8. in cattle. Haeret. pag. 434.   
Sclusselburg. Luther saith that all Christian good is in the Popedom; & that from thence it came to us, we do not deny. 
Rhegius in consider. censurae pag. 93.   
And johannes Rhegius. Although it be true that the ministry of the Popes was corrupt with many traditions and inventions of men, nevertheless it had those things, which were necessary to salvation, to wit, the Canonical books, the Creed of the Apostles.  
Leonardus Crentremius. The Bishop of 
Crentrem. in 1. Cor. 3.  Rome doth retain this same ground of Catholic faith 1. Corinth. 3. the which both I do acknowledge with the Catholic and Apostolical Church, although in certain circumstances there be some diversity of opinions. 
Zanch. in prefat. lib. de natura Dei.   
Zanchius. The Church of Rome in despite of Satan, did retain the principal grounds of faith.  
Boyswell. We acknowledge that the Church 
Boyswell in Confutatione Sondei p. 79.  of Rome is pure in the principal articles of Christian Religion.  
Hooker. They hold constantly, to wit Papists, 
Hooker lib. 5. de polit. pag. 128.  the chief parts of the Christian faith.  
D. White, We agree with the Church of Rome, in substantial articles of faith. 
D. White in defence c. 38. 8. 273.   
D. Field. The Roman and Latin Church continued the true Church of God even till our tyme. And again: we doubt not but the Church 
D. Field of the Church pag. 282.  in which the Bishop of Rome exalted himself (he addeth with more than Lucifer-life pride) was notwithstanding the true Church of God; that it held a saving profession of the truth in Christ, and by force thereof converted many Countries from error to the way of truth. 
D. Willet. Antil. pag. 144.   
D Willet It is not denied by any Protestant but many renowned Kings and Queens (which might not plead ignorance of the Roman Faith) are Saints in heaven. And speaking of his Majesty's 
D. Willet Antil. of English Protest. to the King.  mother, he attributeth such holiness and truth to her Religion and her, that it prevailed with God not only for herself but her son our Soveraygne also. His words be these. The child of such prayers & tears cannot possibly fall away. 
Bren. in Apol. pro confess. Wittemb p. 297.   
Brentius. We doubt not, but that many have obtained true salvation in popery. And speaking of S. Bernard, whom D. Whitaker confesseth to have been a member of the Roman Church, he writeth 
Whitak. ad oratio. 7. Campian. p. 30. Caluin. Gregory & Bernard were holy men. 4. instit. c. 7. n. 22. Lubbertus. we think truly that Bernard was a Saint. l. 6. de Eccles. c. 7.  thus. I judge Bernard to have been a man endued with great piety and devotion, and to live now happily with Christ.  
Bishop Barlow in his third sermon, The learneder writers do acknowledge the Church of Rome to be the Church of God.  
D. Some against Penry in diverse places auou●beth, that Papists are not altogether aliens from God's covenant. That in the judgement of all learned men, and all reformed Churches there is in Popery a Church, a ministry, a true Christ. If you think that all the Popish sect, which died in the Popish Church are damned, you think absurdly, and descent from the judgement of the learned Protestants.  
M. Bunny. The Church of Rome hath 
Bunny in his Treatise tending to pacification Sect. 14. pag. 89.  ever continued after a sort in profession of the faith since the time that by the Apostles it was delivered to them etc. and hath in some manner also preserved, and hitherto maintained both the Word and Sacraments that Christ himself did leave unto us, which surely (saith he) is a very special blessing, and an evident work of the Holy Ghost.  
S. Edwin Sands writeth thus of the Roman Church. There are among them undoubtedly, in 
Sir Edwin sads in his Relation. num. 48.  great multitude, men, virtuous, learned, fraught with the love of God, and the truth above all things, men of memorable integrity of heart & affections. In their Sermons much matter both of faith and piety is eloquently delivered by men of wonderful zeal and spirit. The outward state and glory of their service, doth engender, quicken, increase, and nourish the inward reverence, respect, and devotion, which is due unto sovereign majesty and power. Their deeds of charity are exceeding. No severity of life comparable to some of their religious. If Protestants were, or could be at union with them, they shall find excellent order of government, singular helps for increase of godliness and devotion, for the conquering of sin, for the profiting of virtue.  
Yet in the chief of whom they send out 
Ibid. ●. 25.  to preach, in the diligence and pains which they take in their sermons, in the ornaments of eloquence and grace of action, in their show of piety and reverence towards God, zeal towards the truth, of love towards his people, which even with tears they can often testify, they match their adversaries in the best, and in the rest far exceed them. But herein the jesuits carry the bell from all others, having attained the commendatiom, and working the effect of perfect Orators, of whom in Lent one in each City of Italy doth preach every Day, without intermission, if their strength do serve them, so as six days in the week they preach on the Gospel of the days, and on the Saturday in honour and praise of our Lady. So every year changing their preacher, there is the delight of variety, and in the daily continuing of the same the admiration of industry. Some such like course it is to be thought the jesuites hold also in other countries', their projects being certain & exactly pursued. But wonderful is the reputation which redounds thereby to their Order, and exceeding the advantage which giveth to their fide. For books of prayer & piety all countries are full of them at this day in their own language etc. In defending their doctrine they dare enter into combat with the best of their repugnants and will not doubt either to entangle them so, in the snares of their own quirks, or at least wise so put of his blows with the word of their distinctions, that an ordinary Orator shall never perceive them to be vanquished; and a favourable Auditor shall report them vanquishers: whereupon now they cry mainly in all places for trial by disputations.  
Moreover such is their diligence and dexterity in instructing, that even the Protestants themselues (in some places) send their sons to their schools, upon desire to have them prove excellent in those arts they teach. This Order hath also their solemn Cathechizing in their Church on Sundays, and Holidays, for all youth that will come, or can be drawn unto it. But this point of their schools in instructing youth is thought of such moment, by men of wisdom and iudment, being taught so by very experience and trial thereof, that the planting of a good College of jesuits in any place, is esteemed the only sure way, to replant that Religion and in time to eat out the contrary. So far the Protestant Relator.  
But to proceed from the common multitude of lay people and Ecclesiastical persons, to the Popes themselves, this same anthour hath found much virtue, devotion, and piety in those, which have been in these times: and of the last Pope Clement the 8 he 
Relat. of Religion n. 42. 43.  writeth thus. He did often weep upon piety & godly compassion at his Masses, & processions. His eyes were still watering, sometimes streaming with tears, in so much that for weeping he seemed another Heraclitus He was a good Pope, a good man, a good Prelate, a good Prince. And as for the Lutherans in Germany 
Relation. n 45.  they like the Religion of Catholics so well, that both the Clergy and Layty, openly protest they will rather return to the Roman Church, then join with the Sacramentary and predestinary pestilence. The Puritans in this Nation, in their late Offer of Conference, prefer the Roman Church far before their Country Protestants. Of the Protestants there will be as little question. And in particular M. jacob writeth thus. The Bishops 
M. jacob. p. 73.  of England when they deal with the Puritans must join plainly with the Catholics in their answers if they will maintain themselves. So that we see in the judgement of all, both Catholics, Lutherans, Caluinists, Protestants, & Puritans, that to remain in the Catholic Church, and to live and dye in it, is the securest way to attain to our chiefest good, and at last to receive the promised reward of our endless happiness, joy, and everlasting salvation: the which is confirmed by no less a man then D. Luther himself, with whom we will end. That the Roman Church of God (saith he) before all others is to be honoured, there is no doubt. S. Peter, S. Paul, forty six Roman Bishops & so many hundred thousand Martyrs have shed their blood, & have overcome Hell & death, that it may even be felt what a singular respect God hath to that Church. And if now, alas, the matter so goeth at Rome, as it were expedient it went better: yet neither is there, or can be so great cause, that a separation or departure be made. herehence those Protestants 
Offer of confer. pag. 16.  which offered Conference, speaking of themselves say. That if the ministers (to wit the Puritans) be in error, they protest to all the world, that the Pope and the Church of Rome (and in them God & Christ jesus himself) have had great wrong and indignity offered unto them: in that they are rejected, and that all the Protestant Churches are Schismatical, in forsaking unity and communion with them. And a little before, speaking of some position among them, offered then to be disputed, they writ in plain terms, how diverse of the positions are such, that if the 
Offer of confer. pag. 11.  ministers should not constantly hold & mainraine the same against all men, they cannot see how possibly, by the Rules of divinity the separation of our Churches from the Church of Rome, and from the Pope, the supreme head thereof, can be justified.  
But now if in the Church of Rome there be true Christianity and Sanctity, yea and the very kernel of Christianity: if she be the Temple and Sanctuary of God, in the which remaynet his Covenant inviolable and all divine things. If she be the spouse of Christ, the family of jesus Christ, and the mother Church containing all things necessary to salvation. If she be the Church in which our Ancestors lived and were saved: if she continued always adorned with all kind of Christian good: Ennobled with most learned, just & godly persons; fraught with all kind of good works, of Miracles, piety & devotion; & if she hath bred more Kings and Queen's Saints then were ever of of those titles Protestants in all the Christian world: and if now to conclude ●●re neither is, nor can be any sufficient cause wy●●● should separate themselves from that Church. If all▪ his be true, as Protestants themselves have now in this Grand-Iury acknowledged and confessed: I do not doubt, but every one may see & perceive, that whosoever liveth a true member of that Church, and striveth to go forward in all kind of virtue, may not only be saved, but arrive also to that degree of holiness & perfection, as to become a blessed soul on earth, and there above to be crowned a thrice happy & most glorious Saint in heaven. Out of which we may infer, that whosoever are members of this Church, in the which only sanctity and salvation is to be had, as our Adversaries themselves confess, ●ught to avoid most carefully all such wicked and diabolical suggestions, as the enemy of man, by what Minister soever, may put into their heads, to join themselves to any other congregation: especially seeing according to M. Caluin, out of her lap (to wit 
Caluin. l. 4. instit. c. 2. n. 4.  the visible Church) no remission of sins or salvation at all is to be hoped: for the Lord doth make so great account of the communion of his Church 
Caluin. n. 10. For Germany D▪ Field saith, that Luther & the rest of his Religion, were baptised, received their Christianity, ordination and power of ministry in that Church (to wit of Rome) as the true visible and apparent Church of Christ. D. Field pag. 71. D. Couell in defence of Hooker p 7●. For France. Caluin l. 4 instit. §. 2. l. 4. We (saith he) have departed from their Romish Church. For England the Apologer pag 188. confesses no less saying: we have indeed gone from the Pope, we have shaken of the yoke of the Bishop of Rome.  as he shall be held a traitorous turncoat, saith M. Caluin, and a forsaker of his Religion, whosoever disobediently alienates himself from that Christian Society. Whence it followeth that a departing from the Church is a denying of God & Christ, & therefore so much the more must we beware of such kind of separation or breach of faith. , neither can there be a more heinous crime imagined, then with sacrilegious disloialty, to violate that wedlock which the only begotten Son of God hath contracted with us. So far▪ M. Caluin.  
Pardon us therefore (good M. Parson,) if we willingly and constantly remain where we are, without being any thing moved with your trifles & toys, confuted elsewhere, to change our faith & profession which we have been taught always in the true Catholic Church. And if you have any care of the chiefest good of your soul's salvation, make haste to repair to us with your miserable seduced flock, or otherwise reflect seriously upon this terrible sentence of S. Fulgentius, who saith. Believe assuredly and doubt nothing, that every Heretic or Schismatic, christened in the name of the Father, and of the Son, & of the Holy Ghost, if he not within the number of those which are of the Catholic Church, what Alms soever he hath made, albeit he shall shed his blood for the name Christ, can by no means be saved. For neither Baptism, nor large and charitable Alms, nor death itself, suffered for Christ's sake, will avail 
S. Fulgent. lib. de fide ad Petrum.  that man who doth not hold the unity of the Catholic Church, as long as his Heretical or Schismatical wickedness, which leadeth to perdition, shall continue in him.   

A Note of fifty Kings & Queens of Great Britain, accounted Saints, & their Memories celebrated for such, by our Catholic Forefathers; and this by the testimony of Protestants themselves.  

S. Lucius King of Britain & Martyr. He lived about 
Nauclerus gen. 6. Petr. de Natal. l. 1. c. ●4.  the year of Chris● 192. Stow & Holinshed in Chron. Cambden. in Brit.  
S. Clintancus King of Brecknock in Wales & Martyr. 
Capgrau. in cattle. Capgrau▪ in cattle.  About anno 300. Cambd. in Brit.  
S. Wistan King in Wales and Martyr. About anno 400. Cambd. in Brit.  
S. Ethelbert King of Kent Confessor. About anno 615. Stow Holinsh. & omnes. 
Bed. l. 1. hist.   
S. Edwin King of Northumberland & Martyr. Anno 
Bed. l. 2. Hist.  634. Stow. Cambd.  
S. Oswald King of Northumberland & Martyr. Anno 
Bed. 3. hist. Bed. l. 3. c. 24. hist. Bed. l. 3. hist. c. 18. Bed. l. 4. c. 11. Bed. l. 5. c. 7. Bed. l. 5. Ingulp & alij. Abb. Floriac.  645. Stow. Cambd. Holinsh. & omnes in Chron.  
S. Oswine King of Deiri, under the Northumber's, Martyr. Anno 651. Stow. Cambd. Holinsh.  
S. Sigebert King of the East-Angles & Martyr. Anno 652. Stow. Holinshed etc.  
S. Sebb●s King of the Eastsaxons Confessor. Anno 675. Stow. Holinsh. etc.  
S. Ceadwall King of the Westsaxons Confessor, Anno 689. Stow. Holinsh. etc.  
S. Ethelred King of the Mercians Confessor. Anno 
Mar. Scot Wion.  710. Stow. Holinsh. Cooper.  
S. Alfred King of Northumberland Confessor, Anno 
Pol. Virg. Math. West. Malmesb.  720. Stow. Holinsh. Cooper.  
S. Inas King of the Westsaxons Connfessour Anno 727. Stow. Cambden. Holinshed.  
●. Ceolnulph King of Northumberland Confessor. 
Bed. l. ●. c. 9 Westmon. Sur. tom. 1. Wion. Epit. Bed. Pol. Virg. Westmon. Pol. Virgil. Io. Capgrau. Molan. Vincent. in spec. Mart. Rom. & alij. Malmesb. l. 1. de Reg. Ba●on. tom. 10. Annal. Malmesb. Westm. Abbo. Flor. Petr. in Catal. Mar. Scot Abb. Flor. in Histor. Io. les●aeus hist. Scot ●ol. Virg. l. 6. Sur. in vita. Mart. Rom. Sur. & alij. Hect. l. 12. hist. Scot Leslaeus & alij. Pol virg. Harpesfield in hist. Registr. Ecc. Windesor.  Anno 737. Stow. Cooper & alij recent.  
S. Richard King of Kent Confessor. Anno 750. Camb. Brit.  
S. Egbert King of Northumberland Confessor, Anno 768. Stow. Cambd.  
S. Ethelbert King of the east Angel's Martyr, Anno 793. Cambd. in his Brit. Hereford.  
S. Fremund King of the Mercians Martyr, Anno 796. Stow. Cambd.  
S. Kenelmus King of the Mercians Martyr, Anno 821. Cambd. Stow. Holinsh.  
S. Ethelwold King of the Northumber's & Martyr Anno 790. Cambd. Stow. Holinsh.  
S. Ethelnulph King of the Westsaxons Confessor, Anno 857. Stow. Holinsh.  
S. Edmund King of Northumberland Martyr, 870. Cambd. Brit. in Suffolk. Stow, & omnes.  
S. Ethelred King of the Westsaxons Martyr. Anno 872. Stow. Holinsh.  
S. Alfred King of the Westsaxons Confessor, An. 899. Cambd. Stow, & omnes.  
S. Duffus King of Scotland & Martyr. Anno 972. Cambd. Brit. in Murray.  
S. Edgar Monarch of England Confessor, Anno 975. Stow. Holinsh. & omnes.  
S. Edward King of the Westsaxons Martyr, Anno 978. Stow. Cambd. & omnes.  
S. Edward the Confessor K. of England, Anno 1069. Cambd. Stow, Holinsh.  
S. Malcolme King of Sco●land Confessor, Anno 1092. Cambd▪ Stow & omnes.  
B. Henry the sixth of England, at whose body in Winde●ore, very many miracles been have wrought. Anno 1479. Stow. Holinsh. Cambd. in Surrey.   

Queens. 
Niceph. Socr. Mart. Rom. In vita S. Edwini Reg. Matth. Westmon. Pol. Vir. Vincent. in spec. Wion. l. 4 ligni vitae. Beda. l. 4. Tritem. de vit. Illustr. Mart. Rom. Bed. l. 4. Westmon. anno. 640. Bed. l. 4. c. 26. Wion. l. 4. ligni vitae. Bed. l. 4. c. 23. Wion. & alij. Tit. de vir. illust. Pol. Virg. Capgr. Pol. Virg. Hereb. de fastis. Sanct. Ethelwerdus in Chron. Matth. West. an. 904. & an▪ 901. & 92●. Wion in ligvi●ae.   

S. Helen Empress borne at Colchester. She lived about Anno 320. Cambd. in Britan. in Essex Stow. & omnes.  
S. Ethelburge Queen of Northumberland. Anno 647. Cambd. Stow. etc.  
S. Ermenburge Queen of the Mercians. Anno 654. Stow. Cambd. & alij.  
S. Chinneburge Queen of the Westsaxons. Anno 670. Cambd. Chron. Brit.  
S. Ermenild Queen of the Mercians. Anno. 678. Stow. Cambd.  
S. Audery Queen of Northumberland. Anno 680. Cambd. Brit. in Cambridgshire.  
S. Sexburge Queen of Kent. Anno 686. Stow. Cambd. in Brit. & alij.  
S. Eanflede Queen of Northumberland. Anno 690. Cambd. Brit. Stow. in Cronic.  
S. Hereswide Queen of Eastangles. Anno 690. Cambd. Brit. Holinshed & alij.  
S. Edilburge Queen of Westsaxons. Anno 840. Stow. Holinsh. & alij.  
S. Osith▪ Queen of the Eastangles. Anno 870. Cambd. in Brit. in Essex. & alij omnes.  
S. Eve Queen of the Mercians. Anno 878. Cambd. in Brit. in Glocest.  
S. Ethelwide Queen of the Westsaxons Anno 904. Stow. Cambd. Holinsh.  
S. Eadgith Queen of Northumberland. Anno 926. Camb. Brit. Howes.  
S. Algiue Queen, Mother to King Edgar. Anno 964. 
Matth. west. anno 943. 955. 974. Pol. Vir. Ranulph. Cicestr. hist. Angl. Hist. Scot excus Frankford l. 7. West. & Paris. an. 1067. Abb. Flor. in eius vita. Mar. Rom Surius & omnes. Matth. West. & Paris. Sur. in act. S. Margar. Concert. Eccl. Angl. Didac. de Yepes Ep. Taraconens. Histor. de schiss. Anglic.  Camb. Brit. Stow. Holinsh.  
S. Wilfride Queen, Wife to King Edgar. Anno 987. Camb. Brit. Stow. Holinshed.  
S. Agatha Queen, wife to K. Edward the Outlaw. Anno 1072. Camb. Brit. Stow. & alj.  
S. Margaret Queen of Scotland. Anno. 1092. Cambd. in Scotland. Stow. & omnes.  
S. Maude Queen of England. An. 1118. Camb. Stow. Holinshed.  
B. Marry Stewart Queen of Scotland. Anno 1587. Camb. in Britan. & in his Elizabetha fusiùs. D. Willet in his Antilog. of the Engl. Protest. to the King, where he wonderfully extols her for Holiness, and truth of Religion.   
Besides these, there are numbered above 500 Men & Women, of the Kings, Children, and Blood Royal of our Island, that have in ancient Catholic times dedicated themselves to God, in holy Religion: & this by the testimony of our own Protestant writers.   
FINIS.