An Apology to my Lord Treasurer: touching a speech uttered unto his Lordship by my Lord of C. MY duty remembered to your Lordship. I received your Lordship's answer: why your Lordships performed not your promise sent unto me, by Master D. Caesar: for that the Archbishop said: that I had written a book slanderous and erroneous. I must needs confess, that your exception is sage: while the Archbishop is not forced to alter his words. And I might be holden dull, if demanding recompense of twenty years travels, with the principal approbation of the best, & the best learned in the Realm, I would take my lords Grace's speeches for a gracious recompense, and full reward: or think such dealings honourable: or my Lord to be such a scholar, that one of my leisure in study, should yield unto. Wherefore I must crave leave to call his Grace into judgement. And your Honours shallbe my judges: I will seek no better. Thus I plead: His Grace denied to my agent, that he said, I had written erroneous: but said, that he said, I had written to the Queen untruly. So, if his Grace doth not stand to his words, his testimony cannot in any honour be my hindrance. judge, I pray your Lordship, whether I say true: or not. Now it remaineth, I answer for my writing to the Queen of his Grace's determination, whether I can defend myself or not. First, this I hope will appear by writing: that I sent unto his Lordship (by Master Mulcaster) a full declaration of the controversy betwixt D. R. and myself: that determining upon so much, the strife he should end. I laid down the controversies in three sequels. The first was: Whether judah was under Persia but an hundred and thirty years, or two hundred years. Now therein seeing D. R. and I agreed that after Zerobabel built the temple: the time to Alexander was not an hundred years: so the time betwixt Babel's fall and the Temple building, was to be tried: whether it were two and thirty years, or 107. years, by both falling to new particulars: That, I clear by nine and forty thousand arguments at once. For, 49000. thousand returned, Esr. 2. and in Esra 6. the returned built up the Temple. D. R. must prove how many died: and if the greater half wholly had died, or almost all, yet two, only Zorobabel and josuah had been enough for me: both named returners & alive all the while. Thus much his Grace (I trow) could not choose but see. And all Oxford will grant that thus much overturneth my adversary. So reason would warrant me to write of his Grace, that which he could not omit without eternal shame. I hope her Majesty will not be angry with me, for speaking the best of her Archb. that which common intendment would require any man to hold true. By this your temporal Honours will see, that his spiritual Grace disgraceth not me: but his own grace, the Queen's Majesty, & the majesty of God's grace: not acknowledging his goodness: which in 49000. jews lives, in few words burns all Heathen Libraries. Although his Grace having received 50000. pounds of the Church, at the least, knew not of himself, how the only life of Zorobabel, or the only of josuah, of Nehemiah, of Ezra, of Mardochai, of Aggai, of Zachari, overthrew all Heathen study-glory: yet when he saw that D. R. marked the sequel scholarlike: & was driven to invent new opinions against all the world and reason: I hope his Grace will not plead that he saw not which way the determination must pass: or seeing contemned his duty. And if he do, I trust her Majesty will tell him what it is to hold the place of an Archb. unable to perform that which is easy: that a Bachler of art would confidently judge. And thus I hope your Lordships will not think it reason that I should lose all that recompense, which for twenty years pains by the Queen's honour of Government should befall me: for commending one of your own order, and near the Church: that he was not far from God herein: but sharp-eyed, true, learned, and honourable. Truly, Sir, I thought it no great pains to afford a man of high place good words, with all advantage of warrant: for honouring such as her Majesty preferred, tendering the quietness of the Church. Although in my conscience I knew that his Grace had but small skill in difficulties about the Bible: as he showeth in complaining that he was commended. To countenance our common weal, I spoke that which his bodily eyes saw: though not the eyes of this mind: and had three reporters from him, to speak that commendation, which of humanity I would afford him. My adversary D. R. affordeth me as good words as any can bestow on any scholar. And if I did not confess that he was the first, that hazarded his fame to try: whether the millions of christians, that followed jews on the captivity books all saving Daniel: and on him followed Heathen unreconcilable: must burn all their agreement, either with the jews, or all their innumerable writings after the Heathen, if I give not him this high commendation, I should do him injury. All must confess that he showed learning that carried an whole University six years after him: & an Archb. to deny his own decree: and to be guilty of denying all ancient grants: and common reason, for the space of the Temples building, a most famous divinity story: & such as, of which a Church man could not with any honour be ignorant. The Pericles that so could lighten, thunder, & mingle Graecia, as D. R. did, must needs be holden pericles and full of glory. As I must afford him all good speech: so I would have afforded unto his Grace: but that he doth plague me for commending his learning, care of truth, and regard of his honour. The second sequel, which followed upon the first: or, as the user will, the first upon it, was for daniel's Chronicle of four hundred and ninety years. Thus it fasteneth unto the other: If it be but four hundred and ninety years from daniel's prayer unto our lords death, judah was but an hundred and thirty years under Persia: for we both agree upon three hundred & sixty years following, unto the eighteenth year of Tiberius. But, Only four hundred & ninety years are from daniel's prayer at the Evening offering unto our Lord's death: Therefore juda was under Persia but hundred & thirty years. My adversary denied the assumption: for which I will tell a story how he was brought to grant it. A modest learned man of Oxford came to me, with one Edward Phynees, a servant of my honourable Patron, whose rest is in Paradise, Henry the late Earl of Huntingdon: whom my pen must honour, for that he was so deep for judgement in the chief heads of all the Bible, so sincere for affection in the heart of Religion, that he is not like ever to be soon overmatched by any. But for my syllogism. A good scholar of Oxford came to be resolved in our controversy: telling that he marked how I used mine adversary reverently, and was no worse used by him. But said to the matter: Our D. hath turned all against you: all of all degrees. Then said I, Yourself shall turn to me against them presently: if you will speak your conscience. God forbidden (quoth he) that I should strive against the light. Then I: Mark the narration whence my demand shall arise. Daniel prayeth at three a clock: or Evening offering the ninth hour by jews, Act. 4. when Gabriel fleeth to him: and promiseth to teach him wisdom: and saith: seventy sevens of years are pared out to bring in Eternal redemption. Hereupon followeth my demand: Speak before God and his Angels, whence must the beginning be taken: Doubtless, sayeth he, from daniel's prayer: And where endeth it? Doubtless at our lords death. Then said I: Commend me to your D. and tell him from me, that when he hath weighed all, he will judge that he may as well deny all Religion, as make any other limits. Upon his speech the learned man saith in his lecture book: That by all arguments of Scripture, the time should begin from the first of Darius or Cyrus, as I taught: and Septuaginta septimanis completis excisus est Christus. So your Lordship seethe that he granteth my assumption: and the whole controversy. My Lord's Grace hath seen his words in print: and may not plead ignorance. Now the D. considering what an infinite company of books he should condemn, all the West for two thousand years records: and not seeing the millions of jews, and all Heathen in particulars to be with me, & all the Bible's frame: sought a kind of cure, and said: Restat confirmandum per septuaginta septimanas non posse intelligi annos quadringentos nonaginta: sed alium aliquem numerum incertum per certum. Upon this cometh a third sequel, which I was to fall into by the provocation of D. R. his denial. A chaining of years is from Adam to Cyrus: which showeth that thence it must be proper: as no wise goldsmith beginneth a chain but to make it up: and breaking off in any one place, disannulleth the use of all. Then said he: The time is not chained thither, from Adam's fall to Babel's. Upon that I wrote a book, proving this proposition: He that denieth the Scripture to have a certain record of times from the creation to the redemption, may as well deny that the sun hath brightness. And that book I sent unto his Grace, which he saw, and sent me great thanks: with a promise that what so ever his word could further me, I should have it. Now your Lordship knoweth that duty required him to determine, whether I was deceived or not: and to have taught me better, if I had been deceived. And his Grace knoweth that I stand resolute to defend this: that if he say it is erroneous, in an Epistle to the Queen, he saw already a sharp reply. In which Epistle I writ these words: If it please your Majesty to cause both your Archbishops and both Universities to determine: I dare assure your Highness, that, while the sun shineth they will not deny (seeing what proof is brought) that God hath recorded the time certainly from the creation to the redemption. Here had been a place for his Grace to have foiled me, for ever: if by learning he could show that I was deceived. But he saw that D.R. whom Oxford men think to be not his Grace's inferior, (further comparison I will relinquish) would full quickly have tried, if learning could overmatch the position set down. Thus by the matter your Lordship seethe what his Grace must buckle with. And whether he forgot his determination, or three commenders of his learned censure, & honourable speeches towards me, mistoke him: that little forceth, for the Queen to know: neither is it traversable, or material for our state. This must be held the substance of the matter: whether if his Grace deny that God hath recorded in scripture the worlds age from the creation to the redemption. I may justly accuse him, for concluding against Christ his Religion. For every man's heart can tell, it is good that the record were in scripture. And seeing nothing is omitted in the perfect book which is good to be there: his Grace should think that there it was: though he can not tell where. And although it is made easy now to see, and soon learned: yet to clear every parcel, it was not an easy matter. And I know a King, to whom if I had dedicated such a travel, I should have had thanks: and so I should have had of the Queen: but that the L. chancellor and his Grace both disgraced the work which neither understood. Your Lordship promised me that you would cause his Grace to determine the controversy, betwixt D. R. and myself. But I was sure that you would be deceived. Likewise my Lord Keeper having seen the marrow of all that which concerneth the bones of this strife, brought into an easy view and taste, promised that he also would cause his Grace to determine. And I knew that he should be no less deceived. The matter was brought past all colour of strife: and confirmed for every joint by ancient unbelieving jews testimony, which unvincible truth forced to afford. And now if it please your Lordships both to urge his Grace to lay down in writing the contradictory to any position of mine: then, if I make it not as easy for him to reackon all the tiles in Lambeth, every one, as the errors which will follow his Grace's assertion: your Lordships may affirm, that I have not due regard of truth: and, but small grace in study to mark sequelles and appendances in absurdities. This kind of speech his G. must warrant: by a narration which may here be fit. M. Mulcaster, who carried the declaration of D.R. his cause and mine, with a full anatomy of the matter: returned to the right worshipful M. Peter Osborne this message: how his G. had determined: with what honourable speeches: how he said: that he knew my studies earnest, than twenty years, in a path untrodden since the Apostles time: to clear the narrations of scripture: by time, place, & person: wherein he that crossed me once, would be caught in a thousand absurdities. They live yet in the family who heard him speak and do all this well remember. Thus I thought good to defend his Grace's censure even against himself: as in my Epistle to the Queen I wrote as fearing no replier: That I refused not to abide all disgrace, if my pains were not found true for the story, and profitable for the quietness of the Realm. And thus your Honour may see, that I have not written of his G. slanderous, nor of the truth erroneous. Neither did I commend him to countenance my cause, by his authority in learning: but to countenance her majesties high preferred scholar: and to show that I envied not his lot, though he hath received fifty thousand pound more than one, whom fifty thousand think to have honoured the original truth more than he with bare latin studies could do possibly. Your Lordships to command, HUGH BROUGHTON.