A DISCOVERYE OF A COUNTERFECTE CONFERENCE Held at a counterfeit place, by counterfeit travelers, for thadvancement of a counterfeit title, and invented, printed, and published by one (PERSON) that dare not avow his name. Printed at Collen. 1600. TO THE AUCTOR OF the counterfeit conference etc. ITwere as easy for meyf Iwould to discover your name with assured proofs as to detect the devices and dristes of your conterfeat conference made at Amsterdam, but since as it seemeth you are ashamed to justify the same with your name, I am not he that will publish it, because it might be thought by some that are ready to interpret things to the worst that hatred might induce me thereunto, that which I desire chiefly to be effected by this discourse next to the inconvenience that might generally have grown by your fraud and deceit undesciphred is that you would look upon your ignorance or malice or perhaps both, which is manifest by seakinge to maKe division between Christian Princes that are in charity and friendship one with an other, by defacing the Monarchical state, which so long time hath been used and approved, and by disposing of the Crown of England not weighinge wheare the right lieth, but where your fancy best liketh; if in this later poit your would excuse yourself by saying you determine no man's title, the course of your whole book and diverses practices de facto shevue the contrary. These things be not os small weight or importance, for that they concern kings and kingdoms, and require the practice wisdom and experience of other manner of heads than yours is, yea and that in number to the assembly of a Court Parliament. Tharfore your may see what cause of discontentment you give to all wise and indifftrent men, and what disgrace you have braught to yourself and brethren, for that if any hap to be king of England besides those tuuo you would seem most to advance, it is likely, according to the rules of policy and state that yourself will be in question for meddling in these matters abo uè your reach and capacity, and your brethren will be blamed and banished out of the Country for approving, or at the least for not chastising your lewd and yvell demenor, methinketh the preventing of these incomodities should make you consider of some remedies, and the remorse of your conscience should breed repentance which coming from the bottom of you heart will force you in as ample and public manner to disclaim and disavow your said conference, as ever passion and partiality did invite you to set forth the same. This is the best and casiest way to satisfy the Prince's discontented the people scandalised, and yourself endangered, and this is that I suppose your wisest friends will advise you unto: for my particular, I do pray for you, and wish no way revenge to your person, but reformation in your manners, as God I call witness, who direct you to that A DISCOVERYE OF A COUNTERFECTE CONference, held at a countersecte place, by counterfeit travelers, for th'advancement of a counterfeit title, and invented, printed, and published by one (PERSON) that dare not avow his name. IT is observed, and hath been noted, long in the world, that no Vanity is so light whiehe beareth not some credit, no fable so fantastical, but some will believe it, nothing so disorderly attempted which hath not found a supporter. Even so it falleth out touching a certain vain diet appointed some yearespast to abuse the world under the title of a conference about the next succession to the Crown of England, being in deed a confused babbling of Idle troublesome travailers, without interest to deal in such matter, and a very confederacy of a practise against the blood Royal, state and dignity, of that nation. Therefore wanting the true and The book of succesfion is put fourth as a babbling libel. certain of place, person, author, and other due circomstances; it may well be called an infamous fabling chartel or Libel, feigned to be conceived in Holland, known to be fostered in spain, falsely fathered of R. Dolman, printed at N. to wit, no certain place justifiable, with licence of, it may not be known, who. Nevertheless all must be so commended at the first sight for pleasure & utility, the author so extolled for sharpness of wit, plenty of much reading cunning in conveyhance, abundance of eloquence, and other graces, as none can find any want or default. Nay (to amplify the estimation as well of the author as of the libel) it is provided that whosoever by word, deed, or countenance seemeth to dislike the one or the other: all such people must be reputed by a common fame, & there upon condemned as enemies to the private designs of the king Catholic, and adversaries to the common cause. Albeit it is very likely that the late king of spain, nor this king living were ever privy to the contents of that Libel, nor expressly consented to the publishing thereof, as will appear hereafter, Therefore it is but a ridiculous The book was prejudicial to the late king of spay ne and to this present. sentence so rashly to censure men, and very partial, such also, as advanceth the credit neither of king, nor cause. For when a man pretendethe a claim never heard of in any age, to an other man's land whose quiet possession actually, & right also apparently in all wise men's eyes, have concurred & continued many hundreds of years, in him & those whose state & title he hath, & enjoyeth, no indifferent wise man will allow, that the suddenly supposed pretendor may have any reason by a bare claim to think that he should bear all away without contradiction: especially when the claim exceedeth measure, is misliked generally, and bringeth with it suspicion of evil dealing other ways, as made by travailinge strangers, without the supposed pretendors warrant and privity. In respect whereof, & for want of upright behaviour, the same crime may be imputed more justly to the Libellor, & his libel, as prejudicial to the same king and cause. For as there are many indifferent people in divers nations, all The argument of the treatise. a like affected to the matter of succession, not caring what way it run: & are not tied to the king in any special obligation, nor alienated from his Ma. nor from the said cause, who are persuaded that a readier course might have been taken under a better pretence for advancement of both: Even so, there are many others of the same opimon, who (if comparisons may be allowed) are accounted to have as much interest as the libeler & his travailinge consorts have in the matter of successio; & have better warrant of Law & in defence of Law to reprove that conference; then those conferrers have without Law & against law, to justify or commend it, yea; have been fovunde hitherto as ready (hoping God willing so to continue) as the practisers in that conference, to advance the common cause every lawful way, and the said kings honourable designs also, and to do to his Ma. services & offices in advancement of his honour to the uttermost of th'air power, mary in ordine adDeum, & usque ad arras, so far fourth as they may in adieu order towards God, and with safety of a rectified conscience; & More than this [I am sure] so good a king will not require. Therefore what so ever the said The conference to be disliked for three reasons. practisers for their pleasures & profits do pretend, & blow a brood by words & clamours against others, for the Catholic kings private or public designs, or for the common cause: true it is, that such as finding them selives thus affected to God's honour & safety of their consciences, and there upon unwillinge to incouraige the said practisers & their conference, are the bolder to speak against both, as they have greater reasons, & more effectual motives in weight & measure to dislike boath; And that in respect as well of the matter, as of the manner or form, and of circumstances touching th'effect that may depend thereof or concur there withal; accounting for matter the loathsome drifts and scoops whereunto the said conference doth tend; for manner & form, such absurd ways and means as these canuassers have devised, to abuse the world, & thereby to work their feat; And for circumstances of effects, the fears perils, mischiefs & inconveniences threatened not only to the english nation, but also to the whole Christien world, and either necessarily concurring with those canvases, or occasionally following them; yea waiting and attending to offer their services. The principal scope & drift, the scope of the conference. first in mind, though last in operation, & in mean while dissembled (besides the deposinge, of the present possessor) is to supplant, dispossess, & disherit the true heir & lawful successor of the english Crown, with all the offspring, to translate and alter the ancient laws and customs of that Realm, and consequently to transform the government of that Nation in to a Province; or at the least to thrust in to the Royal throne, against the right course of english laws, a foreigner bred & borne far of, which neither in her own person, nor any branch of the root from whence these practisers pretend to derive her title, was aver herd or though ught of in the memory of man, nor before mentioned in any record of any age, to such effect or purpose as now is devised; Nay if any such things have been spoken of, these smooth conferers have practised in time past to suppresseit, & to bear the garland an other way, & that not long a go, as hear after shallbe declared. And for the ways & means the ways to the mark. to draw this on, they are many, but all rowghe, uneven, tedious, indirect, out of the high way that may be lead to any good end, all things well weighed, yet agreeable to such an attempt: as in like trouble some enterprises it falleth out, that odd shifts must be made for tools to remove blocks, to scour strets, & make ways clearer, for crafty surmises, & wily insinuations to walk more smoothly & currently to the mark. Touchig the scope&butte of the book, I will speak hearafter generally, for the particular mischiefs thereof every true english man doth throwghlye see at the first sight, In the mean time, let us search the ways to see what monsters lie hidden therein; And so we shall find th'effects like to follow the practises of these conferrers, what glorious pretence so ever they give. Thersore, first to begin withal, among divers Crafty shifts A general compact of the conserrers so bring englande to the Civil laws Roman. which we find there is a device to make the mattet seem good by all laws as well Civil Roman, as municipial english, touching Civil government and direction of th'English nation, for guiding the course of that Crown, Although the same device be opposite to that ancient ordonance, which for abolishing the force of Caesar's Civil laws our of that Realm, & for establishing a municipial law there was ordained by authority of that famous holy father Pope Eleutherius even in the begining, when Christian Religion was first universally planted in that Island, and with the full consent, and upon request as well of the Christien King of great britaine, Lucius, as also of his nobility spiritual and temporal lords of that Realm. This device being once set down, then two lawyers, the Aspecial compact that two lawyers, and not lawmust be umpiers of this matter. one a gentleman, the other a special temporal lawer of englande must be brought in to represent the people of all other lawyers of professions, & with the tongues ofbothe those laws, these two (which never before agreed in this affair, & many other) must be now made fryends (or else all were marred) to conspire with certain Idle troublesome travailers against the municipial laws, yea contrary to the purpose why both those laws were made, which is to make peace: and against the profession of all good lawyers, which is to resolve doubts and quarrels specially when diets are appointed for consultation, as the final cause of this assembly touching such an affair, would have been, if it had been called in god's name, and collected of settled men, & not of wan dringe travailers: well, this new reconciliation of ancient adversaries, is now thought to be necessary, as in like practises of innovation hath been often used against truth & justice, for now, by their agreement, we must have not only a transfiguration of the shape & form of that common wealth but a transmutation also, or translation at least of the very matter, where upon the true common wealth of englande, & every particular man's state doth rest, and that is the laws, & lawful customs of that Realm, as a special mean to hail us all to the forsay de scope: And all this must be contrived through thatonement of this two lawyers, by a more speedy intrusion of Caesar's Civil Roman laws thowgh they are by authentic authority long ago abolished, & by continual silence worn out of use & buried with a free consent of the whole nation in many ages. 1. And among many conclusions Six Articles of the la- agreed upon between these wires agreement. two, one must be, that what soever the Civilien sayeth, our temporal lawyer must swear & subscribe to it, be it true or false: and he must up hold the Civilian with yea or nay at all assays that may serve to overthrow the municipial laws of englande with out respect to the weighty reasons & sage considerations thereof derived from the laws of God and nature, as most agreeable to the conditions and qualities of that nation. 2. another conclusion is that The Civilian must lead the temporal lawyer. these two lawyers thus prepared for opinions & affections must set forward, so as the Civilian shall lead the way, & the temporal lawyer must follow, the Civilian shall go before, not as the angel Raphael went before young Tobye, to chase a way murdering devils, but to call in mischiefs upon mischiefs all manner of ways by contentious spirits: not to demand due dets upon law fall spetialties, but to make undue dets & bank roupte by plain ravine & robbery: not to procurre a marriage by order of law with due respect to proximity of blood, but to breed a divorce of friendship in kindred by disturbinge the lawfall lineal course of consanguinitye provided by laws, for passaige of th'inheritance & succession, & that in such a sort as hath not been allowed by judgement of law to pass in englande though by violence some such enormities have been intruded and bolstered for a while to the horrible ruin of many noble families not recoverable. The temporal lawyer also for his part must follow as an echo not between two hills or like place upon stoppage of breath for modesty or fear: but in plain fields not subject to rebownds boldly without blushing to correspond, not caring if all true english men of all sorts & degree do wonder after him; yea he must follow, not as the little kind Dog followed young To buy to serve his right master: but as the mastyve followeth the Tinker for his owen commodity, to bear the burden, lest his master over laboured could not attaineto his Inn, & himself should lose his bait, for it appeareth demonstratively that the Civilians credit for this matter, in the sight of all true english men would be little worth is the temporal lawyer were not present to countenance the same: And if the Civilians plea be rejected, the temporal lawyer must seek his meat in the mire: for he deserveth to be casten over the bar, as an ambidexter: Nevertheless he can not stand this way also in any great stead at theende when the matter cometh to hammering by right tools. 3. A third conclusion of this accord Popularitye. is that these two lawyers must conform themselves somewhat to the manners and conditions of those troublesome tribunes, the pairs or couples of pensioners among the states of the low Countries: so as by treading the steps of popularity they may Imprint a favourable opinion & liking of this purpose in the fancies & conceits of people who ever delight in change, and love much to have such hold on the bridle as they may comptreol their Sovereign or overthrow him out of the saddle, when they list: Therefore a popular doctrine must Popular Doctrine. be published as a law, & there upon must follow a difinitive sentence indifinitlye that th'inheritance & succession of the Sovereign government in that Realm doth depend upon a multitude, so as at their pleasure they may pike a quarrel sufficient to disthrone their lawful king and when they list to call for an election of a new king, because their pleasure must stand for a law in this case. And this multitude forsooth must bear the name of a common wealth when they come together, though often times it falleth out to be a common mischief or universal confusion: yea & assembled only or principally by aCanuasse & practise ofsome one or other popular person, malcontent, & seditious or ambitious: which by a gracious opinion among the people is able to bring the may game home to his own or frynds houze; for how, and by what authority, that multitude is to be assembled, & other circumstances most expedient and necessary, thighs lawyers neither define, nor regard, It is suficient at this time in their books and for their purpose, if their assembly bear a show of a common wealth by some presence of the nobility & commons, any thing or matter that by thes two lawyers is expressed to the contrary notwithstanding. And this sentence thus generally set down, is to be made good allowed and ratiffied by pretence of some principals, maxims, or assertions of Civil law or lawyer, such as though in special cases, for some singular respect, in a private sense, upon due circumstances, and necessary occasions (to speak only touching designments, & ordinances of a true unfeigned commonwealth and not other wise) may be true, & have some ground in the Civil law, yea in common reason, & may also stand with thenglish laws: yet nevertheless to serve these men's turns, in pleasing the multitude, they must be made general with out exception, to overrule the municipial laws of englande, And this sentence must also be confirmed by examples and patterns of practises executed in colourable common weathes, or rather disordered multitudes, being no common wealths in deed, but prodigious monsters of many heads, with out a good foot to stand upon, and in material points for temporal affairs agreeable to that of Holande and Zelande at this day: So as those most seditious rebels shallbe able to avouch this popular doctrine by authority of thighs two lawyers to warrant their rebellions against their most lawful Sovereign. Therefore (by the way) a man may note what good service thighs conferers have done by this popularity to that most renowned king Catholic, in giving to his Ma. a colourable pretence of title to an other kings Crown, to minister matter of warrant for a rebellious rout to thrust himself fourth of his own Crown. 4. Besides this popular Doctrine, we must have an other devis to lead the multitude under a penthouse in the shadow of a law more nearer the mark now shot at against the lineal course of inheritance in cases os feesimple. Therefore other allegations must Feigned mnximes of forcing be brought in to the court by the laws to direct the Crown. Civilian as principels and maxims derived from his law, which in deed are no other than fancies or opinions of theone side of a controversy, whereunto it liketh now this Civilian to subicribe, never set down in the corpsof that law, but found in comments & gloss of lawyers as notes or memorial of exercises, or of allegations upon suits passed on the behalf of some client, never defined authentiquelie by common consent, but remain as letigious, apliable (like the rules of lesbos) to the diversities of men's opinions growing upon affections, or other irresolute concepts. Nevertheless they must now be all defined as true & certain on that side whereunto it liketh thighs lawyers to lean. And if they hap to stumble upon a certain rule either in the body of the Civil law, or in the note books & monuments of Civilians, that must either have such construction, as pleaseth this Civilian to enforce, or else it must be said to stand certain & clear also for english affairs, & be preferred before the most currant ru, les, & most certain maxims of our english municipial lawies, how opposite so ever they be to th'english form of la vufull government. And a according to this Civilians rules must the inheritance & succession of the english Crown be squared for the cowrse thereof to run as pleaseth this Civilian to uphold the same with the bolster of a frantic multitude seduced by a conterfaited temporal lawyer: for every factious assembly (if it once take place, and carry all way clean) must be accounted for a common wealth in thighs men's books, be they never so often assembled in one year, every one opposite to the other in all extremities. And by the practises, gests & proceedings of such common wealths must thighs axioms & principles be confirmed as by imitable & exemplare patterns at all assays: So as to help or hinder any pretend or in this case it must be sufficient by thighs men's rules to say, this or that was done without respect to this or that aught to be done: or what the law saith for herself against this or that act: Thus are we now come by help of thighs mens Doctrine to revive & allow for lawful the sayings and doings of old tyrants (who to justify their wikednesse usurped in a malicious sen ce that ancient proverb: quod exem. plo fit id iure fit) every thing, be it never so bad is lawfully done, if it can be exemplified to have been done, especially of a multitude, that may seem to bear the colour of a common wealth. As if a Tyrant defacto & malefacto, upon possession, & unjust possession too, shall therefore be a true king de jure right fully by order of law: As if right aught to follow possession, & possession should rule the right: As if an unlawful bare possession of the dissezor & his heirs in case of inheritance & succession by a lineal descent to that Crown ought by law to dishable the right of a disseizer and his heirs, or in any other, out of the point of lawful prescription: a prik of a weapon sharper than thighs lawyers will be able to ward, If the matter come to a demur in law. 5. Furthermore the travailers for Practise for acommon fame. their parts must help the credit of thighs lawyers by a couple of odd shiefts, or else all will not go straight, for by the means of their raunginge throwgh by countries, we must have a common opinion settled every where, if it be possible, that all is true which thighs two have said, as agreeable to the laws of nations; And consequently a common fame of three horrible blasts must coarse both air & earth to possess the minds & mouths of the idle world specially among the simplest and most credulous of one side, which for meed or dread are to be lead away, among such of an other side as are naturally disposed, or maliciously incited to desire a change; The first blast is an untrue surmise of a doubt fullness A furmised dowtfullnesse. to be in the municipial laws of englande touching the inheritance & succession of the Crown of englande, who ought to have it albeit in truth the matter is very clear in the judgement of the same law & of all the wisemen, lawyers, & others which have interest to judge thereof, as whose states do depend there upon: Nevertheless it appeareth by their own confession that the doubt shall lie, not in the law who ought to have it, but in theventevent who shall have it: not upon right but upon the opportunity of time. The second blast is a dangerous insinuation, full of slanderous A dangerous insinuation. untruth & intolerable in dignity with contradiction, that the Realm of englande is at this day, & hath been many hundred years destitut of a lawful Sovereign. And upon thighs two must follow a third, to wit a general challenge A seditious cballenge. for the Crown for when that surmise of doubtfulness hath possessed the minds of the people; all competitors and preten will take occasion of chalengde, every one for himself, and the most mighty by force or friendship will bear all away; And the other blast by insinuation shall serve as a motive to enforce the people of all forts for their own indemnity, either to seek the blood Royal where so ever they think it to be: every one after his own conceit (and to bring it home if it can be found, or to intrude one or other into the place, & afferwarde for a colour of in diferencie to call for an election of a king or Queen by the device of thighs travalers', who mind to sound a trumpet that there is not now living any of thenglish blood Royal borne in englande, nor else where inheritable of that Crown, or capable of it, save only, theone of two, they care not whether and those must be the late Catholic king him self, or else his daughter. 6. And (to speak some what in Shifts to further surmise by complying with the tyme. particular touching the absurdity of the said surmise) it grieveth my very heart to consider what pains thighs men do take to consume their natural country with the terrible fire of great discord & evil division, and to what fowl shifts they are driven, that they may carry all away cleanly, lest they be accounted among them, which even then are most deceitful, when they most pretend to be just. Therefore to put the world fourth of suspicion, & themselves fourth of jelouzie. (an inconvenience that commonly happeneth when old foes are be come new fryendes) thighs two lawyers, for an other conelusion must comply vuiths the time like wether wise men oflesbos, for thighs devices can not be so closely rolled up but that simulation must walk smoothly, either with tergiversation to please & displease, or with yea & nay to Dissimulatitn & duplicity in speech must be used. contredict themselves, & in fine, to cover all with doubling & redoubling between plain words & crooked meanings, from one sensse to one other, as far as any equivocation, pregnancy or other elench of Sophistree, legier demain, or deceit of sight can help for carriage of all away uvith the general drift; And (as I said before, which is to be noted after) lest their surmise of doubtfulness in law do fail, they will in the end depend upon times, specially as they may be made to stand, more than upon doutfullnes of law, So as to them may well be applied, that odle proverb, Omnia pro tempore, nihil proveritate, they measure all according to the time, & nothing to the truth, like men given over, to vain talk, desirous to be accounted Doctors in law, and either understand little, or regard less, what they affirm or deny, if their own turn may be served withal, no not though the world doth see how miserabli their own consciences may be gauled by such shifs: for better evidence hereof No heir apparent must he known. we may note other old corners of particular shifs that these men are forced to seek for pleasig the time to further their surmise, for though they world confesseth, & none will be found so Impudent as openly to deny that as all men universally and in particular are bound by the law of God & nature to wish & desire the confinuance & happy preservation of common quiet wealth & felicity of their native Country: so are they also by the same laws bound every one for their degree of quality, condition and possibility, to employ all their bodily travails, all their external powers with discourse of reason, pregnancy of wit, cares, industries, and all their internal forces to provide best means for furtherance & advancement of the same common quiet, wealth & felicity, yea and to prevent, cast of and eschew all Impediments thereof, & all occasions that may breed any peril to the same, And albeit among the commodities concurring with the happy state of a Realm next to the reverent love & due obedience of subjects to God & to their Sovereign for the time being the greatest preservative of quiet among people, by confession of wisest men, is to foreknown an heir apparent of the Crown: so among all the inconveniences that can be practised against the prosperous estate of a Country, that embraceth an ordinary descent of their Sovereign by way of inheritance and succession in a certain know issue & offspring in a linial course according to a municipial law, or lawful custom None is more wicked, in itself, more pernicious to the state more untunable in the earses of all godly wise men, nor more scandalous to the whole world, than is either to hold the opinions ofsubiects in suspense & doubt, without offer of resolution, what that person is to whom they ought by order of law to bear allegiance after decease of their present Sovereign, or by any way or mean to broach or to nsinuat any doubt or ambiguitye thereof, where there is a settled opinion of all wise men to the contrary. And though it be so evident & demonstrable as needeth no exemplification how careful good princes, & sound common wealths have been in times past to avoid such ambiguities, & how curious some kings have been in such a case, who having lawful issues inheritable & capable of that Crown, with out exception, suspicion, scruple, or doubt never the less before their death, have by special oaths, & ceremonious submissions of their own principal subjects, established the state expectant in their issue: not for any doubt in law touching the true & lawful title of their issue in the right of inheritance, (as these two lawyers would wrist that good providence of princes but to arm themselves & their issue against all events, for preventing of ambitious & seditious purposes of popular people, who at change of Princes use to put out their horns more boldly than before, upon confidence of advantage by opportunity of time, to drawevents contrary to th'intention & expectation of the law, ascope whereunto thighs lawyers shoot all their bolts, All thighs evidentes & confessions of truths, and all thighs stratagems & provident policies of good Princes and sound common wealths notwithstanding, our two lawyers with their travailers have taken courses quite contrary, In so much as by neglecting, yea wilful rejecting the foresaid provisions & good policies for preservation of common quiet by mature cautions & remedies of laws against mischiefs & inconveniences that may grow by want of due foresight to know & acknowledge a lawful heir and succession to the Crown, these men do practise by all means to hail men headlong in to wilful doubtfulness and ignorance thereof: And to furthcr their purpose with a gloss of flattery, to please this time, the Queen must be justified, & her doeinge commended for prohibiting the declaration of an heir apparent, so as it must be well allowed that no special law or order be established to cut of all doubts in law or time that may justly grow for want of a certain known successor to be named in her life, how dangerous so ever the delay thereof may be esteemed for the time to come, for so thighs conferrers are not ashamed to conclude in express words; A most monstrous excess in speech against all reason equity and good conscience. And this must be huddled up with few words as a confessed maxim to please her humour, & to serve their own turn yea this absurd surmisse of doubtfulness (contrary To wine time by false bruts. to the good counsel & foresight before mentioned, must be bolstered by vain blasts of common brutes, whilst with varieties of opinions and upon incertainty of times they seek to cover truths among mists & clouds for wininge of time, such as politic simulation, & dissimulation with help of poetry can breathe & puff out to dasel the sight of simple, or credulous people: in hope to gain the victory by ay de of time: yet it may fall owt (as it happeneth among all garboils among multitudes) that the matter in question will be found more doubt full who shall prevail by force and violence, then who ought to prevail by law & justice And so perhaps such as think themselves surest, may be accounted among those that make their own reckoning with out their host. But to increase the said surmises of dowbts we must have many other special devices by pleasing the time upon a purpose that this libel may have more room to pass & repass with the less difficulty. Therefore as her Ma. policy of delay must be highly extolled so The Qwene must seem to be put in security for her tyme. must she be born in hand and the world made to believe, by a common form to, for wynninge of time, that none of the dowbtes must seem to touch her title, all things must seem clear during her time, Nevertheless the titles of all those from whence she directly claimeth and of all those which are to claim from her are by thighs lawyers called in question: Appoint of most impudent flattery with subtle conveyhance of words, which she herself derideth knowing how short thighs fellows would make her time, if they could get a time to serve their own turn, as may be seen by the practices and devices wihich have been made against her and her state since the very same tyme. And to advance his surmise Things must hes affirmed bywaye of protestation only. we must have an other odd shift that must have a long reach, for all matters must be affirmed by way of protestation, which will not be maintained for sufficient pleading when the matter cometh to hearing in court of record before an indifferent judge, but will be disliked & denied mightiely: A subtle shipft of deskant to avoid blame, if matters be not well taken, and to serve for baits if a party can be made to uphold them; for example, no ordinary course of inheritance in fee simple by lineal descent in blood near or far of to the Cro wne of englande according to the laws thereof, must be regarded otherwise them such as from time to time shall please a multitude that is able to give a colour of a common wealth: Again all pamphlets books and writings that have been spread a brood, framed effectionatlis according to the variable opinions of each man's private appetit be it sincere or sinister must be gathered together in to one volume and allowed as authentic, with out distinction so fare forth as they may make a show of doubtfulness in respect of variety, though the erroneous either have been sufficientli confuted, or need no confutation, but are condemned In the judgement of all wise men. And though all be allowed and brought in to make a show of doubtfulness in respect of their number & variety of opinions, yet they must all be condemned of partiallitye, except one which must serve the turn; yet there must be no contradiction in these men's words, for all passeth by way os protestation: More over every man's pretence of claim to the Crown must seem just, and his allegations true, for none must be discouraged to stur questions and doubts; yea the matter is so handled, that every one which is of kin to the Crown, how far ofso ever it be, shallbe allowed and encouraged to pretend & claim a title, both men & women, to make the matter much more doubtful, as the number of pretendors increaseth more & more; though in very deed thighs lawyers intent that none of them shallbe able to prevail, except one of two, at the most they care not which, as I said before: yet it is not long sins they both should have been excluded and an other preferred, if thighs layers might have their wills. Beside all this, The late earl of Darbye. these lawyers will protest indifferency to all, though they show themselves friends to none but to one alone, which in their conceits will be able to rule the time; And some people & their cause must be covertly abased, whose renown other whils these men have magnisied, as so me others must be extolled above the skies whom in other times they would have blotted fourth of their books: As also the late Queen of scott's Mary of famous memory, and consequentli her heirs must be reiectedwith in dignities, and impudently spotted with infamy of treason & other crimes to please the time, though when time served they thought otherwise of her, or else they were most audible dissemblers to speak of the chiefest of thighs conferrers. The state of a Monarchy must seem to content thighs lawyers a while in some place abroad though they would per suade the people that the state of a province under a foreign Prince were better to be established and continued at home, to serve the present turn. An unsavoury say to the senses of all true english men, & meriteth small thanks at the kings hands I spare to speak of many other particular shifts for brevities sake, & because the wise reader easily find them. But by thighs a man may well conceive what good reason there is to move a dislik of the ways & means which thighs lawyers have devised to lead the simple men to the mark that they shoot at. And with all it is worth observation to mark how curious & how full of words thighs lawyers show themselves in proving some things that no wise man will grant, so subtle conveyhance they have to seduce others. An thus much touching the manner & form of their procedings. Now them to speak somewhat of the circumstances touching The circumstances of effect like co follow this matter of con ference the proper effects or casualties depending upon the practises and shifts, or concurring with them who seeth not those horrible scandals, & steep down falls, threatening present ruin to all obedience, humility & Civil order, when it shallbe known to be allowed for an undoubted maxim and published with the trumpet of common fame, as a prescript law, that a multitude having once got by any indirect practise a conterfeited name of a common wealth (for such are the common wealths whom thighs lawyers have produced for their profess) may lawfully place & displace kings and Soveragns, according to their restelesse humours and affections; who conceiveth not the consequences of this Doctrine? what other good can be expected to follow it, than that preposterously against all good fashion & order, according to a lesbian rule reason shallbe addressed to men's doing, & not their doeinge directed to reason: laws shallbe construed according to the sensual wills & appetits of a multitude & not the multitude reform adding to God's laws: And consequently the Sovereign shallbe forced to accommodate himself agreeable to the manners & conditions of his subjects, & not his subjects appliable to th'arbitrement of their sovereign be he never so good & gracious longer than they will obey: Then in what quiet state or security is that nation like to stand which hath a Sovereign upon souffrance only de facto, in respect of a bare possession durant bene placito populi: at the will of the people only: and not de iure in his own right to continue by order of law, otherwise then as it pleaseth the people to interpret the law from time as the varieties of humours do alter their dispositions: Even so, what good assurance can a King or Sovereign have or expect for safety of his state or person, when the people shall have such a directory as will make their actions good & allowable to displace him at their pleasure, because some multitude under a colourable name of a common wealth hath done the like, for in such sort thighs lawyers do argue. By thighs general circumstances & an infinite number of particular enormities, absurdities, mischiefs & inconveniences concurring with this popular Doctrine, A wise man may easily conceive what commendation thighs two lawyers deserve for their conference: & they themselves would easily be induced to confess, if either their own consciences were discovered, or the state of time were such as would alter the case & invite them to turn over the left to thoetherside: But touching th'effect of this popularity we shall have occasion to speak more here after. In mean while it is a wonder to A vain evasion. see with what glosses & comments they seek to delude simple persons by way of preocupation & forstalling of men's conceits at first sight to avoid all farther examination of their strange proceedings, for they have proctor's & brokors in all places to extol them and all their attempts above the skies with general speeches; And by the industry of thighs travailers a common fame is blown a broad, that all which thighs men do is done in ordine ad Deum, in a course to God ward: & therefore are not reprehensible nor to be called in question by any: As if General mischiefs innovasion there were no other way allowable to lead us toward God then by that most inconvenient passage which they will justly condemn in others: to wit, by innovatinge most injustly settled laws, to supplant right & establish laws: to disseise true heirs of their lawful inheritances, and consequently to hail and draw innocents through bloody shambles, to massacre all sorts of people both friends & foes: for such will be th'effects of their sur missed doubtz, whils with a wicked conspiracy against the whole corpse of theenglish blood Royal bred & borne in England, or in the same Island, & against all the nobility & commons of their native Country under most unjust pretences of wrested titles their practices for doubts do tend to no other end then to procure a conquest vuiths a common havoc & confusion of home bred citizens & of a whole nation for advancing of foreigners, like men that care not, for a most uncertain gain to throw themselves & others into a most certain mischief, & a labyrinth of all kind of miseries, under a vain hope of an unsteadfast time, with a pretence notwith standing to love all, though upon the matter, it is like to fallout that they Theltbeller nayther pro fiteth the king nor the common cause. love none but themselves & their correspondants: nor them neither, if the event be not answerable to their desires. Therefore what course so ever thieslawyers with their advocates, proctors attorneys, solicitors, porsuyvants & apparetors would seem to take towards God, or the world in words, and what fault so ever they would impute to others touching the said kings private designs, or a common cause, It is in very deed more than probable, that they themselves by there busy heads with their brabbling discources in such an impertinent conference have done ill offices to both, and are not like to gain so great thanks as they look for at either's hands, but much blame & reproof, when all reckeninges are made, and all accounts casten by just & skilful auditors. Now then for so much as concerneth the king, many wise men Of Disser vice done to the kiuge by this conference. of divers nations hearing the manner of proceeding in this conference are persuaded that thighs lawyers and their travailinge companions by their rash attempts so impertinently in such a weighty cause have prejudiced his Many ways: As among the rest, none is greater, nor more contagious, dangerous, & domageable to his person and Ma. Royal, then is the platform, of the said popular Doctrine, first laid in Scottland, after sent a lost in the low Corenttyes: attempted in Arragon, and ready to be raised, roofed & builded up in all nations. Therefore what special favour so ever thighs men, above all others, The popular Doctrine, is ill ground. would protest towards the kings designs all wise men may perceive that they seek their own private; hough very unprovidently more than the kings advancement in honour, Ma. orother ways: for if their principal intention touching their own private, had relied upon such substantial means in praying the Kings aid as were expedient, & most agreeable to his Ma. disposition. touching the common cause, they would never have sowght to set wide open so large gaps, doors, and windows for rebellious multitudes to enter and claim authority over their lawful Kings, & Sovereign, under pretences of glorious styles, & titles of conrnon wealths, & states of a Country, For what other instrument then this enormous rule of lefbos, had that monstrous minister of Scottland GEOUGE BUCKHANNAM Mischieses in scotland by this popular Doctrine. to ever throw the most noble Queen of scotlan & the commonwealth thereof, by seducing the nobles & commons of that Realm, yet not all, neither, nor the most part to be accounted in weight & measure, though enough & to many in number, for maKing of a party to give a show of a common wealth able to wage battle in open field against their lawful Queen, to thrust her in to prison, & after to expel her for the of her own dominions, and finally to practise her death in a forcing Country: a most barbarous fact, & such, as against it, thighs lawyers have in times past exclaimed mightily with mouth & pen. Nevertheless if the Doctrine which thighs men allow be true, (as it pleaseth them to deliver it,) we must also allow this fact, as good and imitable, being done by a common wealth. And upon what other ground than this, did those mad ministers in Scottlande snacthe the bridal in to their own hands, & in most malapert manner presumed to threat ten their king that he shallbe sent after his mother; if he will not maintain the Cowrse that they had begun, meaning their heretical practises against his mother & his mother's friends, and allow their fantastical and irreligious cowrses, as if he were but a King made of clouts, & not framed nor form by order of law to succeed in a course of inheritance, but to be let in, & put out at their pleasure by authority of a common wealth of their own making, such a one, as never God nor good men have seen read or heard of a worse and such as no wise & discrete king can or will endure. Even so did not that unnatural wicked traiter, Antonio peers, Mischiefs in Arragon by the same Doctrine. by help of the said Doctrine procure a rebellion in Arragon against his natural Sovereign which had razed him out of the dirt in to the rank of nobility, & had he not thereby prevailed so far by all likelihood, as to have his practise to be accounted an imitable stratagem of a common wealth, if God would have permitted such malice to reign in that coast? I could exemplify what mischief the same doctrine hath wrought in England, but I pass Mischiefs of this Doctrine in the low Country it over to an other place; in mean time I pray you what shall we say of that prodigious republic or colourable common wealth in Holland & Zealand, framed and cloak together in a hochepot with the basser sort of a rout & rabble of artificers & handy crafts men, under a glorious style & title of states? have not they also a warrant by our lawyers Doctrine to avounche & maintain: for la wful all their owtragious & malapert rebellions and enormities more than heathenish against their Sovereign, & against the sowndest part of the nobilities & commons under a cloak of a common wealths authority? yes without dowbt; And what so ever gloss or comment our said lawyers will make for excuse, certain it is that their own text (as they have delinered it to he world in word and exemplified it by deeds forth of this late conferences) will serve those unstatlye states to make a commodity for service against their Sovereign when our two lawyers have said & done what they can, for there hath not come many years among that unbridled people a Doctrine more plausible than this, which so largely & liberally advanceth the authority of their common wealth, at least as they do, & may take it, And will be sure to take fast hold of it, yea the rather for that it rovethat liberty within the countryewhere the king commandeth, and with his Ma. privity & licence too as they allege & upon no light presumption, & the lawyers themselves with their adherants do confess, though no wise men of indiferent affection will believe it to be true that his Ma. is privy as hereafter shallbe declared. Nevertheless (to return where Ileft) the disseruices of thighs two lawyers come now to be more agruated by presuming to publish or to offer such a scandalowse Doctrine to be published or printed within his Ma. dominions, were it set foth with his licence or no (As I verily think it was not; or ifitwere, at the least, with out his Ma. privity. For though sins the publishing This book of conferences was not published with the late kings privitye nor this lininig. of it, the auctor by him selue or friends have given out by bare words that it was printed & put forth with the late kings, or this living, their privities, licence, & commandment authentiklye yet no such thing is avouched expressly in the front of that book, but generally it is said to be printed with licence at N. so much to say as at no place justifiable. And though it may be suffered to pass with an ordinaire licence in general manner consigned by some common censurer of books upon a favourable motion or by abusing the credulity of some authority allowed to be published, which may be also doubtful: All this not with standing, no proof appear that it hath passed for the in such precise order by the privity and commandment of the king, so authentiklie, as every man being under his allegiance is bound to take notice the of, and prohibited to show his reasonnable conceit touching the contents thereof under pain to incur the displeasure of his Ma. Therefore to think that thighs men No wise man will consent to his own have entered in to this matter, for publishing thereof in manner & form, with his Ma. licence, or at the least with out his privity consent & commandment upon special respect to their own private more than upon due regard directly to his Ma. stat honour & advancement, many things lead me, not only for collateral matters Idly foisted in to the discourse which may seam prejudicial to the Crown & safety of his Ma. person & of his honourable family now or in time to come, but also touching the principal scope & but of that book. And I say for proof in part, & for vehement The king preiudicied in stat by the book many ways in this days specially presumption in the rest first no in different man of judgement will imagine that in such perilous times as now when minds of people in all nations are easily to be exulcerated & corrupted with sores & maladies of contention, through superfluous humours of new fangleness, ambition, disdaingne, greediness of vengeance and other troublesome passions) so wise & good a king would be induced or alured to allow and maintain by his Royal authority the publication of the said Doctrine so contagious & prejudicial to himself, & so scandalous to the rest of the Christian world as therbi (if their exemples produced for confirmation there of be allowed) No king sure of his state, but removable by law at will of people. any monarchy how uni form so ever it be otherwise may & must be reduced to a democracy or popular state, and a king Crowned to day, may & must be uncrowned tomorowe, if it so please the multitude that can maKe a party strong inowghe to bear the style & title of a public state or colourable common wealth for the time; So as if his Ma. were in possession of the english Crown tomorrow, he were to depend upon the wills of his own vassals to be expelled next day following, and so from time to time by these men's law an other to be placed or displaced at their pleasure, & justly too, by his own acceptance & allowance of this law, And so one, after an other so often as the wether cock of such a common wealth changeth with the wind offactious humours: In so muchc as their king or Sovereign shall serve them like a lackye or page in a french ioupe to run or ride after their master, rather than sit in his chair of estate, with sceptre & Royal Robe to command like a king, so A fond assumption of the lawyers. contemptible shall the Ma. of a king stand in such a case. And the reason of this prerogative over their king is (say thighs lawyers) because forsuthe a king was made for a common wealth, & not a common wealth for a king; As if it were good reason, that children should rule their parents, because parentswere ordained for children, & not they for parents, people must rule preachers, scolars must guide scholl masters the cart must lead cart horses & carters too because preachers scholmasters, cart horses, & carters were ordained for people, scholars & carts, & not thighs for the other: Nevertheless that assumption serveth not their turn: for they were ordained in a subalternel cowrse & degree on for an other, as the head for the body & the body for the head. A king to rule his common wealth, & the common wealth to obey the king. Beside these indignities touching Ma. & state Royal there are many other deformities and inconveniences concurring with such enormiouse succession of government by a monarch, as dependeth upon the fantastical toys of a colourable common wealth, which yield sufficiant probability that his Ma. was never privy to the A cra sty shift to blear the late king & this living heeyes with a contradiction. said libel, nor the putting forth rhereof, Nay it is more than probable, that if his Ma. had seen and looked deeply in to this conference, or had been truly informed touching all the contents thereof, & the devices for bewirching the fancies of men with plausible matter, for more cleanly conveyhance of a consent to their purpose, his wisdom would have utterly rejected that libel, for he would have quickly perceived the contradiction between their opinions in show of words, and their real proceedings in practises, where they hold titles of princes once settled & admitted are not to be examined by private men, but to be obeyed: Nevertheless thighs companions now (as at other times (have not only allowed such examinations, but have also presumed upon their owue heads, to examine titles of kings & Queens, and to determine them also by circumstance, yea by way of consultation in a public conference, as if they were called by authority, not as private men, but as public people. Besides this his wisdom would flattery & dissimulation disgraceth any attempt. have noted an odd shift of deskant by flattery & dissimulation to glean some credit of the present state in England (for that state is now settled) though they have practised the contrary in time past: A pretty toy to mock an Ape, but it is so gross as she may easily perceive it, and for their merit make them a mow, even so where their words run so rowndly to curry favour (for fear of displeasing possessors) that what so ever a prince's title be, if once he be settled in the Crown & admitted by the common wealth, it is not to be examined by any private men: every man is bound to settle his conscience to obey the same, And the reason [for so the] is that of all other they esteem the honour of a Crown to be most irregular and extraordinary: here his Ma. wisdom & zeal to regal dignity generally, Blasphemis against the Sac●●●d state of Regal dignity. beside his own ptivat, may discover divers fallacies, errors, contradictions, yea & monstrous absurdities, accounting their common wealth to be such as are conformable to their own examples, or other wise as good as they would make it. For by this Doctrine it must Absurdities against both king & subject. follow necessarily as most consonant to reason, that the common wealth which is to controole regal dignity (in such sort as their men appoinr) hath to challenge a previleige to be guided by the holy ghost, not subject to error, in opinion or sentence judicially, & so anew fowndation of a special maxim must be laid for heretics & rebels to build upon it what they list, to wit R●●●bliea non potest errare, a common wealth can not err which is more than some common wealths will allow to the church of God. Again it must follow that no member of such a common wealth is to be accounted a private person nor privately cariend away daylv & hourly removable from his own opinion, nor may examine the matter privatli before or after he come to confer thereof, or else their admission is not sufficient by this rule of theirs. More over thes two lawyers and all those travailinge conferers in this supposed assembly at Amsterdame are by this rules condemned being all private people for entermedlige themselves with this matter of succession touching the title of a king. Fourthly the state of monarchy whiehe thighs two lawyers do confess & acknowledge to be of all other forms of government most excellent & perfect in itself, must needs be most contemptible, unperfect, & infamous of all other because the Civilian so esteemeth the tenure of a Crown to be most irregular, & most extraordinary, for the Civilians opinion is the sentence of all thighs conferrers, & to be irreagler and extraordinary is to be under no rule nor order, where upon consequently the king holdeth his Crown by no rule nor order, & is of hiselse irregular not subject to rule or order; And if the common wealth be theonely judge over the king to comptrol him as thighs men teach us, & none is by their Doctrine appointed nor allowed to control the common wealth's sentence, them it must needs follow, that the common wealth in this case is also under no will nor order, & no marvel for a multitude without a head, or of many heads none good, what is it but a chaos & confused mass out of all order: Thus we are taught that the unruly must rule the unruly, if an irregular & disordered multitude must govern the most irregular & exrraordinarie Crown as these men term it: Nay by this doctrine, an usurper, disseizer intruder, impious tyrant, or infidel once admitted by the common wealth must not be deposed: Again a possession only must guide the right as the most material point to lead thin heritance & succession of a Crown; two assertionsnever allowed for good pleas in any law spiritual or temporal, Diuin or human, & most worthy of out claps, with hisses & whistels, yet they must both be allowed & maintained under this general maxim of admission. And so all enormities must be straight rules, wrongs must be rights, violence must be law, bad must be good, & good must be bad, if thighs be allowed & admitted by a multitude drawn together any way to represent & bear the name of a republic or common stat, which for cleanly conveyhance of a fowl thing in a fair hand kerchief, thighs men do call a common wealth: a special fallacy to abuse the simple; besides every lawful king is deposible for or without cause, if the common wealth dislike him: & every quarrel is a sufficient cause to depose a king if the common wealth so esteem it, & every king shallbe accounted a tyrant, an heretic, an infidel, or incapable otherways & unfit, & consequently deposible, because the public state here called a common wealth holdeth him so to be & is theonlye judge of all causes in this case of a king's state & of all commisions that must proceed from a king, for no other judge is appointed in thighs mens text, A plain contradiction to their own Doctrine, & an error that thighs layers will not stand to if they be pressed to answer by authority authentic. More over it must follow, upon thighs mens Doctrine that every multitude so incorporated, as they got the style & title of a public state in their own consceit by pretence, may rightly be called a common wealth habled by law to enjoy all the previleges before mentioned, though they want a head, yea thowgh no wealth nor commodity common or private be by them maintained; And that every public stat or such common wealth as they have allowed, may at their pleasure alter change & innovat the cause of inheritance & succession to the Crown, so as they may bar the right & true title all ready cast upon any person, by the laws of the same state, though the same person be no member of the same state, nor subject there unto by nature, submission, or other lawful means. Consequently that the king of spain is bound to settle his conscience & not impugn the ordinance of the now English common wealth, how just so ever his title be for the present, or future time, nor to examine any others title allowed & admitted by the same common wealth, if that negative pregnant foisted in to the margin touching private men can not be able to control the text which bindeth every man without exception or difference of private or public. And last of all it is set down in plain terms, that every king holdeth his Crown by the good will of his common wealth as by the only lawful & good tenur of a Crown, A plain contradiction A king is but tenant at will of the people. to the state of inheritance, and an absurdity worthy to have all manner of scorn & moquerye, never awoched for any plea, never mentioned in any book, rol, or record or writing of wise man, nor admitted in to the thought or imagination of any law maker, lawyer, or other menindued with common sense in England, and an hiperbolical fictio against the state of Regal Ma. yet we must believe it, because the Civilian saith so, who by all thighs travailing opinions must be always allowed. Thus we see that by the Civilians law his Ma. tenur whereby he holdeth his Crown must be irregular & extraordinary, & though he be admitted by his common wealth once settled in his state & therefore not removable, yet that will not serve, if he holdeth his Crown as tenant at will of the common wealth who may revoke their admissions when they vst to find such cause as they think sufficient, & consequently he hath no state of inheritance nor succession, what would the king Catholic say to this think you, if he were well informed of this particular? Nay what they of holande and zeland will presume, here on to think & say for hardening their hearts, & maintaining their actual rebellions, every man seeth & his Ma. can not be ignorant; Therefore it is not like that he was privy to the contents of this book so far as to allow of it here his Ma. may behold the blind presumption of thighs statists who dare thus confront his Ma. in the chiefest point of his Majestical state, with such indignities, by abusing all regal dignity so low as to make it the vassal of every arrogant rout, of any unlawful assembled multitude that can by hook or crroke, wile or guile, flattery or violence catch & snatch the vizard of a common wealth & for more credit to their excessive What vashe boldness these difguysed lawyers show. speech also use his Ma. as a bolster to lean upon under cloak of a licence to rove freely through his Ma. Dominions where it ruleth and commandeth. Yea these bold adventurers do range so far farther as by colour of his Ma. authority they dare attempt to stop the mouths and pens of all those that have written against popularity & with infamy of absurd flattery to blot the names & estimations of those men which have written in the defence of the sacred state of a king against all popularity It is not to be doubted that either his late Ma. wisdom would be so unmindful as to wink at such popular presomption. or that his most gracious nature would permit the pains & good wills of such writers to be requited for any scorn full libel put forth under the protection of his late Ma. (specially times standing as they did then.) Nevertheless though some have written in defence of Kings & kingly state & given them more immunityes privileges or prerogatives then good kings will claim, or good common wealths are bound to yield, yet that excuseth not these comen wealth men to stray so far forth out of the right way, as to engross their bad ways by private monopoles & franchesies in prejudice of Royal freedom and common good of all for I am sure that many have written apologies touching that subject very laudable upon good assertions and propositions with limitations, exceptions & allowances, all allowable by law of reason & conscience yea most beneficial to whole & sound common wealths, but quite opposite to the general pro positions & assertions of these lawyers laid down for the surmised authorities & their broken common wealths, such as they have exemplified as patterns to be followed. But this proceeding of these lawyers is not all that was to dislinke the late king or this living, for albeit this author that carrieth upon his shoulders all the parties named in the said libel would make the late king believe that all titles being doubtful his force & might should bear away the Crown of England for him self or theinfante his daughter, and to facilitat this course made diverse seminaries priests in spain that went into englande by threats or fair means to subscribe that in their conferences there by all possible means, they should advance the pretence of the said infant: yet since that time some of his dependants with his privity practised the advancement of the late earl of Derby an heretic to the Crown of England, This author and lawyer mock & abuse the king of spain. which wrought his untimely death as many say, & beside after this he himself wrotte a discour see which was sent into England & published to many of the best Catholics there that he would wish & advise them when the commodity served that they should make an election of some principal noble English Catholic to be their King, so that the late King, might have seen if he had lived, what affection & respect this author carried either to him or his daunghters title or their persons, for that as new inventions & conceits came in to his head, he would frame such new titles & cowrses as would best fit the mark he shot at for his particular profit & advancement, which if the late King had lived would have been a sufficient warning to him for ever being abused by the said author any more, & no doubt will breed the same effect with the king present & his sister the infant, when they shall know thus much. And as you may hereby see plainly with what reason the king of spain & all monarchs in general are to find themselves grieved with these lawyers for the little respect they have to Regal & kingly authority which kings are for their safety to provide for, so is there none more toched to the quick by thighs lawyers & author then the kings Ma. The authors extreme malice against the king of scotland. of Scotland, nor whom they desire to be more defaced touching his person & Right then he, for than they do as it were assure themselves, that all their drifts & practices would have such issue as they wish with outlet or empeschement. Wherein first their malice is greatly to be taxed that seek to ruin & overthrow a king that never did any of them hurt, but contrariwise hath so far favoured some of the author's function, that in delivering them from danger of their lives, he hazarded him self for the same, as the parties themselves can not deny if they be asked, besides the favour that he hath showed to some Catholics, & hath never used persecution against any unelest it be against some very few that have been discovered to deal in some practices which he thought might be dangerous at that time to his person & state. Secondly their arrogancy is great in that they will determine where the right of the Crown of englande awght to be, & would have every one to follow the same, when they dare not avouch their names, being ashamed to justify their ignorance in the common laws of the realm & Crown of England & Genealogies by the which the right is to be tried, if there were any doubt of the king of Scotlandes', & yet nevertheless they would have their sayings & courses to disannul & anichilate the manifest & known Right afore all others which The king of Scottlande hath to the Crown of England due to him first by the quiet possession his Ancestors for diverse hundreth years have had from whence he is first liniallye descended, next for that he is in the first place also by the same mean & ways that the pretendors whom this libeler setteth down, would advance themselves, & if need be can lawfully & justly derive himself a title long time afore them all to the Crown of England, And lastly, for confirmation of the same kings right to be the truest & perfectest of all other without exception Sr. Nicolas Saunders that was lord Chief Baron of thexchequer in England Sr. Antonye Browne that was lord Chief justice of the comen pleas. Mr. carel called the father of the jaw attorney for the Queens Ma. of the duchy, & Mr. Edmonde Ployden, which were very virtuous wise & most famous men for their knowledge in the laws of the realm & Crown of England as the like hath not been for many years, did with out doubt & difficulty sincerely & plainly resolve and determine that the late Queen of Scotlande was next heir apparent to the Realm and Crown of England, who was his Ma. Mother, & so consequently she diinge, her heirs were to succeed, who debated this point with the advise of the best Heralds of England that could be found, & had also the opinions of the wiser & skilfuller sort of the Realm that did accord with them: yet notwithstanding all this, this ignorant author & lawyers without name neither understanding the laws of England nor skilful in genealogies, would have their frivoulous and ridiculous reasons to be of more valour and credit then these afore rehearsed. Lastly thighs lawyers & other are to be noted of great presumption & disobedience that with out the authority or warrant of This author preoccupi ethe the office of a Pope. their superiou's, & specially of his holiness & others his predecessors upon whon they ought chiefly to rely dare overthrow and make kings form & frame common wealths after their pleasures & fancies, as though they were the superious upon whom Pope & all people of what quality so ever are to depend, & from whom all persons are to receive & take their directions for spiritual & temporal affairs, which how great an absurdity it is for them to think that all wise men do not see their rash foolish & dangerous courses, whereunto they pretend doth argue their insolenty, & pride so much to blind their judgement, as that they see not how their devices & drifts will be whoped & hallowed out of all men's conceits that be indifferent and that would have their Country kept from tyranny & spoil of ancient nobility, laws costumes & privileges, which is that it seemeth these masked author and lawyers most desiere. And it seemeth strange to wise & virtuous people that this author This author refusethe to take his holiness for an example. & disguised lawyers making show to be Catholics, & to advance gods cause follow not the pattern & example of his holiness & predecessors who have ever held mild & modest courses towards the king of Scotlande, most agreeable to the Apostolic, Roman Catholic church, which is a sweet Mother esteeming it the best and readiest way to draw & gain such princes to the right & true religion as be out of the said Church specially not of malice but by Education, And yet these fantastical Author & lawyers would have all violente & furious courses exercised against the said King, As deprivation of his own realm and right to the Crown of England, yfit lay in their power Though they see by daily experience that both princes & other particular persons of great quality that fall from theCatholicke Church being once in it, & were accounted as desperate people for ever returning, yet since have reconciled themselves with great repentance and have done notable services by their examples, in procuring & hasteninge others of principal rank to be reconciled, as namely the most Christian king of france hath done, for the which he deserveth immortal fame. And therefore since God hath given his grace, that such remember to return to the right way that were strayed forth of the same, as also hath called and doth call daily infinite numbers that have been borne & bred up in heresy, in many places & specially in France, where of late have been reconciled to the Catholic church, as it were many whole to wnes and cities of people, & that which is gteatlie & miraculously to be noted, the chief occasion & instruments hereof to be by three persons converted to the Catholic faith, that vuere in their kind & quality the most sharpest and bitterest enemies against the Catholic cause, that is to say, the kings Ma. of France that now is a most mighty Prince, the bishop of Eureux a very learned Prelate, and Monsieur saint mary a gentleman of great respect wherefore should these uncharitable No cause to esteem the king of scotland desperate to be reconciled to the true Caetholicke church as these lawyers would have the world to think. author & layers condemn the king of Scottlande as desperate to reconcile himself to the true church, since besides that which hath been said of his Ma. he never showed himself wilful & obstinate in any of his actions but governeth himself with that wisdom, clemency, liberality, & affabi litye with other singular natural and moral parts which God hath given him that gaineth him great renown, & gi' veth great contentment to them that know him. And it is very like that God who hath bestowed these notable parts upon his Ma will not refuse him the grace that may make him know God & be best for his soul's health demandinge the same as he ought to do, & as upon good consideration & conference if he will accept the same he may do & hereunto no doubt will he be the better incited when he shall think that it is he only of his race that swerveth from the Catholic Religion in which all his noble & Princely progenitors have lived & died, And specially his most sacred mother who sealed the same at her death with her blood for the which she is a Martyr, & by the means whereof he is a Martyr's son, which passeth the dignity of a king or any other worldly title, And lastly when his Ma. shall here, how disceatfully & falsely Plessey Morney did allege so many hundred places & passages of the doctors & others to maintain his wicked doctrine, which being manifestly discovered in his own presence afore indifferent judges of Catholics, & of his ownne Religion, & now known to all the world, have procured high perpetual shame, & have made many since that tymewhich accounted him as one of the chief heads & learnednest ofther religion, to leave him & to yield themselves to the obedience of the catholic church. And therefore since there is not desperation of the kings Ma. of Scotlandes' acknowledging the true Church, this auctor with his lawyers may see what gross and foul errors they commit, that will not let God work his will who hath the hearts of Princes in his hands, but will take upon them, by speeches writings and practices, to Censure of his said Ma. in the worst sense that may be to the tuine of his honour and title to the Crown of England, because he doth not just at that time as they would have high follow their pleasures and directions, Though his Holiness and his predecessors have been & are contented to sit still, and be silent, without doing any thing against his Ma. and have rejected all informations which I have herd of credit this author or some of his associates have caused to be given to his Holiness or some about him to procure an excommunication against his Ma. And herein it is to be noted, that his Holiness & predecessors procedings and actions are governed and directed with one other manner of spirit, wisdom, and discretion than those lawyers have been and that they had and have their scope and end cheiffye to advance God's glory and the true Church, with out showinge fantastical humours passion and partiallitye as this auctor and his lawyers have done and do: And let them not think how smoothly and swhiftly so ever they hope to run away with their drifts and devices, and that they would seem to dance in a net in such sort that no man should mark & find their subtiltyes and craste, but that they be espied and clearly seen, And that when opportunity serveth (which perhaps will not be long thereunto) they will be met with all by those that are most interessed, and that the name of the author of the book of titles, with his odious practices shallbe presented to his Holiness, and secunded with such manifest profess as neither his accustomed cavillations, equivocations, nor doblinge will or shall serve for his purgation, but only simple and plain dealing must be showed, & than it shall appear, whether princes and others have just cause to be grieved and offended or no, and whether this author meriteth not to be chastised and commanded to retire himself from meddling farther in matters of state, which shallbe best for the public good and his soulthes' health.