AN ANSWER TO A Paper which came from the Papists Lately out of HOLLAND. Who goeth about to vindicate the Pope, Jesuits, and Papists, who since the dayes of the Apostles have got up, which according to the Scriptures of Christ and the Apostles they are not; neither by the words of Christ and the Apostles, can the Pope, Papists, or any other justify their practices, as in this Book you may red, looking upon Christ, and upon the Apostles practise, and then look upon the Pope, Jesuits, and Papists practices, concerning their Beads, and concerning their Crosses; concerning their Images and Crucifixes, and their Nunneries, and Houses, in keeping men and women asunder one from another; and concerning of Marriages, and Widows. And concerning putting men to death about Religion; and concerning the Priesthood which is changed, which did put men to death for Blasphemy; and how Christ is come to save mens lives, and to destroy the Devil, the ground of Blasphemy. And concerning Inquisition, Fire and Faggot; their racking men for Religion, all these things have been set up by the Apostates since the dayes of the Apostles. And if any Papist in England, or Jesuit, Pope or Cardinal elsewhere, will go forth three or four Weeks with a Quaker, with bread and water, and have no more of that then the Quaker hath; for you Papists have said that the Quakers deny fasting; so if you dare try this matter, then some of your side shall watch the Quaker, and some of the Quakers side shall watch you, and so we shall try if your bellies be not your god. G. F.  
LONDON, Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth near Aldersgate, 1658.   

AN anwer TO A PAPER Which came from the PAPISTS Lately out of HOLLAND, &c.  
A Paper I have received from one that goes about to vindicate the Pope, Papists, and their Church, got up since the dayes of the Apostles, in the apostasy. First, And the Papists do afflict their bodies by their fasting; and the Apostle saith, Afflict yourselves. Now this fast, like a Bulrush, for a day to hang down; and like the Pharisees, is the same nature that will murder: The Pharisees fastings was like the fastings in the dayes of Isaiah, and like unto the Papists fastings, and Protestants, that will hang down the Head for a day, and doth not let the oppressed go free, nor the Just, but will kill and prison to death about their Religion and Worships: Here's the fist of Wickedness; here's the bond of Iniquity; heres not the Health amongst you. So all Jews, Pharisees, Papists, and Protestants, that are hanging down their heads for a day, their fast, and smiting with the fist of Wickedness, as the fruits of you Papists, Jews and Protestants, has declared sufficiently to the whole World; let the Witness and Testimony of the Jews against the Prophets; of the Jews and Pharisees against Christ; and the Papists against the Martyrs, Prophets, Saints and Witnesses since the dayes of the Apostles; and the Protestants fasting against the Royal Seed called Quakers, how they fill their Gaols with them: Now you all should have strucken at the principalities and Powers, and spiritual Wickednesses, and have broken the bond of iniquity, and let the oppressed go free, then had you obeied the command of God; and so you are found out of Isaiah's Ministry, Isa. 58. mat. 6.16. Acts 13.2. 1 Tim. 4.1. 1 Sam. 14.24. Hest. 4.16. mat. 9.15. and all these fastings ye be out of, which were in the truth. So there is two sorts of fastings, the fast for strife and debate, the fist of Wickedness, & the bond of Iniquity: Now mark, Is not the fist of Wickedness the bond of Iniquity, Strife and Debate amongst you, when you cast into prison, inquisitions, burn and rack such as you call your Enemies, when Christ bids you love them, and show mercy, and you show cruelty? O abominable Traytors against Christ the King, and his commands! who said they should fast when the Bridegroom was taken away, but still his command was, They should love Enemies, and a heretic and Seducer is an Enemy. And now you Papists, Popes and Jesuits, how unlike Christ are you? How do you abide in his Doctrine, and the Apostles, that fasted, and gave themselves to fasting and prayer, and preaching of the Word, that came amongst heretics, Blasphemers, Seducers and Schisms? they was in love to Enemies, and did not kill the creature, & wrestle with flesh and blood, making inquisitions, Racks and Fires to burn them in, as you Popes, and Papists, and Jesuits have done since their dayes: And so here your Fasts is not like unto theirs,( the Saints) but the Jews in the debate, fist of Wickedness, bond of Iniquity, and for a day you hang down your heads; and in this state the breach is not made up between you and God, but the bond of Iniquity stands; and that which breaks down that which made the breach between man and God, is that which breaks the bond of Iniquity; and this is the good fast that God accepts; and so your fast and fasts hath made themselves appear, so much blood hath been  shed and spilled amongst you, that cries for vengeance, as righteous Abels blood did against Cain the sacrificer; and all this blood  shed since the dayes of the Apostles amongst you Sacrificers, shal be required at your hands, the Witness in your consciences shall answer it. Oh poor Apostates and Papists, made up of Schisms and heretics, and Sects and Reprobates that went forth from the Apostles! And Christs fastings that he speaks of, & the fastings in the Acts, the Apostles speaks of, the Quakers owns, and shows it forth, the fasting as the Ministers of God, as the Apostles did; for many of the Quakers have fasted thirty days, twenty dayes, fifteen dayes, ten dayes, seven dayes together; I which am a Woman,( the Writer of this) fasted twenty two dayes, which never none of the Papists fasted forty dayes, or thirty dayes, or twenty two dayes together: I will challenge all the Papists upon the Earth, let them come out and go thirty dayes together without either Bread or Water, or fourteen dayes, or twenty dayes; or let them come our and go thirty dayes together with nothing but bread and Water, and try, and see if his belly be not his God; and the Quakers is known that they never had more strength then when they have fasted two and twenty, and thirty dayes together. Therefore you are liars who say Quakers deny fasting; for they have been accused by some of the rotten hypocritical professors, for their fastings, who lives on the fat of the Earth like Esau: And all your fasting is in that hypocritical fasting, and from imitation from the Apostles and Saints Words, and abusers of them, found among them that fasted, that are out of the life of Christ and the Apostles, which is in the debate and strife, wicked fist, hands full of blood, which comes not into the holy Hill of Zion.  
And you be in the Doctrines of Devils, and have set up another thing then the Apostles did, who teaches to observe days, & denies meats on such dayes that you observe, and sets dayes apart for meats, which did not the Apostles, nor Christ; so you have taught another doctrine, reprobate from theirs; set up another Church reprobate from theirs, which is of your Church, and not of the true, and so are them which the spirit spoken expressly should come, which the spirit sees expressly are come; which hath fulfilled the Apostles Doctrine, 1 Tim. 1.1. The Apostle said, What ever is sold in the Shamble, eat, for I am afraid of you that observe dayes: And so this is quiter contrary to the Doctrine of the catholics.  
And so do you not always forbid some meats upon dayes you set apart, which did not the Apostles, nor the true Church; and are not these meats unclean to you that you do not eat on your fasting-days? Or are not you unclean to them? Else why do you not eat them on your days? Answer me the whole Church of the Papists. And how can you without owning yourselves Hypocrites, when you say you fast and set apart meats for that day you fast on? Answer me this again; and where the Prophets, Christ and the Apostles did so? and this fast be not of your own making, and so corrected by the Scriptures of Truth, being contrary to the true Church. And again, How have you learned that Scripture that Christ bids go to, learn ye Sacrificers and Fasters, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice; I will put them in the Inquisition,( say you) I will burn them, I will kill them, and rack them,( say you) Here your Sacrifices and Mercies are cruelties.  
And we say,( who are called Quakers) all creatures are good as they are in themselves, though men be unclean, being in the transgression, unreconciled to them; and all these fasts as since the beginning, in the transgression, that be false; and all the fasts of the true is to bring men up to the beginning; and who witnesseth the Bridegroom, need not fast; and this many witness, and there the bond of iniquity is broken.  
And you Papists have many particular dayes of fasting, as your forty dayes, and your four times in the year; and the Eves of your great holidays; and Fridays and Saturdays you abstain from flesh, and that by the Command of your Church; Is not fish flesh( you blind sots) that you eat of those dayes your Church commands you to fast on? Does not the Apostle call Fish, Flesh, in 1 Cor. 15. chap Here you and your Church blinds people, who pretends you fast, and eat flesh, and say fish is not flesh, who are contrary to the true Ministers, the Apostles, and the true Church; your Church and Ministry are blind and ignorant in saying Fish is not Flesh, and so corrected by the true Church, Ministry, and Scripture, as in the Chapter before mentioned; and this Scripture stands over your Heads, Church and Ministry; and you do not fast from flesh so long as you eat fish on your fasting-days; so you are not of that Church which the Gates of Hell cannot prevail against.  
And so you that will not hear the true Church, are the Heathens, and the Publicans, and the Fast of Nehemiah, and Esther, and Jehosaphat, you are out of the paths and steps; for those dayes you fast, you eat flesh, the flesh of fish; so poor creatures are deluded by you and your Church, which do command your certain dayes to fast on, is not like unto the fasting spoken on in Scriptures.  
And so your temperance is proved untemperate, as witness your debate, strife, wicked fists, makes it appear, strikes with it at the Lamb, Saints, Prophets, Martyrs, sheep, since the dayes of the Apostles: Did ever the true Church among the Apostles, make Inquisitions, Rack people, make Fires to put people in? Hang people, and betray people, as you do? That's Jezzabels fasts, spoken of in the Revelations & Kings; and your fasting will never reconcile to God, nor make God reconcile as you say, Let the Quaker at least once hear what the Recabites did, who were commanded by their Father Jonadab, that they, their wives, children, and all their posterity, should always abstain from wine; they did not wrangle against it as the Quaker doth, but said, We will drink no wine because our father Jonadab commanded us; and they was praised of God, and blessed particularly, That they should not want one to stand in his presence.  
Ans. All Papists, Priests, and Popes, and Cardinals, do you drink no Wine? Do not you drink Wine? Do not you all stand out of his presence, according to your own Words? Have not you thrown yourselves out of his presence? and again, Will not you say that Christ was a Wine-bibber, and stood out of his presence? you Popes, Cardinals, Jesuits, and Papists; and would you not say the Apostle stood out of his presence, who bid Timothy take a little Wine for his infirmity? And again, are not you Popes, Cardinals, Jesuits and Papists, like unto Judas, that takes the sop, and drinks the Wine, and goes out, and betrays him, and crucifies him, and hath your Gaols, Inquisitions, Prisons to put them, and him in? and did not Christ say he would sand Prophets, and some of them you should kill and persecute, and you would think you did God good service in so doing? and these things they shall do to them, because they did know the Father nor the Son; & so have not you fulfilled Christ Words? Doth not John say it was the Devil that casts into prison, in the Revelations? and have not you fulfilled the prophesy of Christ and John since their dayes? and did not Christ bid them remember that he had  told them of these things( when they came to pass) before? John 16. and so you are distinct from Christ and the true Church, and you have fulfilled the Words of Christ and the Apostles, sufficiently; and so you have shewed yourselves ignorant of the Scriptures and the power of God; and the Recabites, and found not in the steps of them, Christ, nor the Apostles, as in Jer. 35. and your Generation, Mother, and her commands are found out of the Scriptures, and to them not agreeable, but your Mother and her commands by them corrected.  
Thou saidst, Had the Quaker been at jerusalem when the Apostle Peter said in the Name of all the Apostles, It seemed good unto us, and to the Holy Ghost, to lay no more upon you then these necessary things, That you abstain from things offered to Idols, from blood, and that which is strangled, and Images, Acts 15.  
Ans. Have not all you Popes, Cardinals and Jesuits, broken the Command of the Apostle, and doth not abstain from Idols, fornication, blood, Images, and things strangled? Do not you strangle outward and inward? Do not you strangle in your Gaols and Inquisitions? Have you not sen up Images and Idols? Have you not set up Houses for fornication in the chief of your Cities? Have you not drunk of the blood of Saints, Martyrs and Prophets? and have not abstained from blood no way, inward nor outward, and set up your Images in all parts and corners of your Dominions? And is not fornication found amongst you, and set up? your fornication, and strangling all such as be contraryminded to you since the dayes of the Apostles? and drunken the blood, that declares against your Fornication, Images, Idols? have you not drunken the blood of them that are called Christians, since the Apostles, which the Apostle forbids? and so no Church but the false, so proved; and disapproved, and by the Apostles Doctrine corrected.  
And the Quaker owns the Apostles Doctrine and Fasting, preached at Jerusalem, and does not set themselves against these, but against you and yours; for the Apostle reproves your Church, Popes, Cardinals and Jesuits; and cried wo against them, and tells you, you be in Cains way, and your sacrifices that murders, that was always out of the true Faith of Abel and the Apostles, for it purifies and gives the victory over the murderers, in which men love God, and have access to God and unity; and this teaches to love Enemies, and this Cains nature doth not; and so do the Quakers( who are one with the Apostles) reprove you, and tells you, That the Sheep and the Lambs never worried the Wolves, Bears and lions, and never made any Inquisitions, Gaols, and Prisons for heretics, Blasphemers and Schisms, but they was as Sheep among Wolves, in sufferings deep.  
And whereas thou saith, The Quaker spews out against the catholics about Meats and Drinks in his Letter, it is an exceeding blindness.  
Ans. You are in the exceeding blindness about Meats and Drinks in your Fasts, who calls Fish not Flesh; and your high persecution hath carried you from the very wit in Naturals; and I have heard the Protestants and the Priests say, that the Papists were such witty men, but I must tell them, they are deceived, for I find you( now I come to handle you) not to have the understanding in the Naturals, and yet I will find you to be natural men; I should tell you, the things of God was foolishness to you; and I should further tell you. That the Quakers Kingdom is out of Meats and Drinks, and stands not in them: and I must further tell you, That all the spewing is amongst you, whose Kingdom stands in meats and drinks, that so much filth you have vomited up, which is loathsome enough to poison all people that will drink it, or eat it; but the children of God, and the Babes, have their food from above, and cannot eat any thing of that which you spew and vomit up; for in all ages they was in the vomiting that was in the transgression, and such run into Meats, and Drinks, and Idols, and Images; and so are you that be in the transgression of the Apostles Doctrine, and Christs, and who have set up your Kingdoms of Meats, and Drinks, and Images, amongst whom stands all the vomits and spuings; but that the Saints and Babes are come to, and in that where there is no vomiting nor spewing.  
The Quakers will reprove us because there is some among us makes promises not to mary. We catholics answer, That the Apostle here speaketh of in 1 Tim. 4. chap. such as forbid Marriage as an evil thing, as did Farsianas, and Manacheus, and divers others: The reason why the holy Church forbids spiritual persons to mary, comes not from the side of the state of Marriage, which they esteem a great Sacrament, but from the side of the spiritual persons that have made promise to God never to mary; which promise the holy Church, as a careful Mother, desires that they shall keep it, that it may not come upon them as it did to the widows which Paul speaks of, when he saith, Refuse the younger Widows, for when they begin to wax wanton in Christ, they will mary, having their damnation because they have broken their first faith; a full conclusion of this Reason.  
Ans. Your Popes and Papists, and your Church that you call Holy, that forbids Spiritual persons to mary, this is your Churches command; then by the conclusion of your own words, all you that do mary, are not spiritual persons, so no Church, then so there is no holy Church: But does not your Church so,( which you call Holy) set up those Houses you call Stew-Houses, amongst you? And is not this promise got up amongst you by tradition, not to mary, as you are fain to have Nunneries to put them in, and so to keep them from men, as people does Rams from sheep, and Horses from Mares, and Bulls from Kine, that they have no more power in their promises? And did the Apostles set up such Houses to keep men and women distant one from another, as you do? O this is ill-favoured, and stinks to all true Christians, and is a full proof they are not spiritual men nor women; for that which does mortify( is spiritual) the unruly and inordinate affections, and brings the creature into liberty, and does not put them into Nunneries, and make them like Stables for Horses, and Mares, and Bulls, & Beasts; in this you shane yourselves, and your spiritual men, that you have no power, & are fain to put Walls between them; and this is a proof to prove them you call Spiritual men, to be carnal, and you yourselves that do so, that put one from another; and this is to prove that you are them the Apostles speak of, that should depart from the Faith that gives victory, that the spirit spoken expressly should come, which now you fulfil their words who forbids the Marriage; and them that vows not to mary, you and your Church puts in such places whereby they may perform their promises, as you say; and this is not like the Apostle in 1 Cor. 7. who spake his judgement in many things he had not a command, & saith, I say, not the Lord; and now saith the Apostle, Every man hath his proper gift from God, one after this manner, and another after that, and the gift of God is free. The Apostle doth not say, Bring people into Nunneries. But as for the wanton Widows against Christ, that will mary, they are such as refuse to lodge strangers, as you that kill them, & put them into your Inquisitions & Gaols, and does not relieve the afflicted, but does afflict, & follows not the good works, as you who kill, imprison, rack, and torture the Saints since the Apostles, and so cannot be called properly, the Widow, but the Whore; and these young Widows that are wanton against Christ, are idle wanderers from house to house, and tale-carriers, and busy-bodies, and speaks things they ought not; these are the Widows which hath their damnation, who have cast off their first Faith; and here is their fruits that are found amongst you, wandered from the Faith, only your tale and fables, and idle from the good work of God. And thou perverts the Scripture in saying, They wax wanton in Christ, it is against him; but that is like the rest of your Doctrine, Tim. 5. But come, thou shalt hear what the Apostle saith concerning widows; I say to the unmarryed and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I; if they cannot contain, let them mary, it is better to mary then to burn. Now here was distinct distinctions between these widows and the wanton widows, for this the Apostle calls as the necessity. And so I see that you Papists, and Jesuits, and Church, have not a right understanding of the Scriptures, the true distinction, and true measure; and the Apostle brings every one there to abide in the state wherein God had called them; and he that did give unto marriage, did well; and he that did not, did better; and he that had power over his will, and stood steadfast in his own heart, and kept his virginity, did well. Now they that have power over their own wills, what need they go into Nunneries? have they not power over their Nunneries? but must an earthen Nunnery, an earthen house, help their power? you may see that is a forged thing, and an imitation set up amongst you since the Apostles, and is below, out of the power of God; and the Apostle saith in the same Chap. 1 Cor. 7.1. where he exhorts every one to abide in his present state, for the time is short it remaineth, that both they that have wives, be as though they had none. Now see if all you Papists, Popes, jesuits, and Nunneries, can red this, or see into this, and how you are apostatised from them.  
And the Apostle did not forbid the spiritual persons to marry, nor widows, but he speaks of those widows that were against Christ: Had not Peter( a spiritual man) a wife? and had not the Apostle power to led about a Wife, a Sister? Did he forbid it? And so you that forbid it to a spirial person, put it onely to the carnal in the transgression; and so that's not the honourable Bed, but the defiled; and you may say Moses, David, Abraham, and Jacob, were not spiritual persons; but in this you conclude yourselves and your Church from amongst the Saints by your inventions and Nunneries, and vows against Marriage; and they that do vow amongst you, they are not able to keep it, but you are fain to help them, and put them into Houses; are not you worse in this then the Heathen Philosophers, and Tassianus, &c. for I shall tell you, and all the Papists on the Earth, that's true, that's honourable, and acts it in the Bed undefiled, and such as are spiritual persons; for all the unspiritual persons are in the defiled Bead, which is since the beginning; and the hardness of heart, which in the beginning it was not so, but since the beginning it is so: And whom God joins together, &c.  
And so your Popes Church is found in the folly, who forbids spiritual persons to mary; and your Church is an unholy Church, so natural men, which cannot receive nor perceive the things of God; all that mary among you, be not spiritual, your married men are not; and so your Church an unholy Church.  
And whereas thou sayest, We may thank the Papists that we have learned out of your Books that Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and the second Adam.  
Ans. That which we have learned it is from God and Christ, and not from the Papists Books, for I scarcely ever saw any of your Books; for the Prophet is raised up whom Moses spoken of, whom the Quakers hear, who is the light, the second Adam, the way to the Father, which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world, the Jews and Gentiles; and every man being turned to the light he is enlightened withall, he is turned to Christ his Teacher; and the anointing within them, the Apostle preached, and the hearing of Faith, and the Word of Faith in the heart of Abraham, Abel, Enoch, &c. And now we do believe you, that all your knowledge, understanding, and wisdom is learned out of Books, who have the sheeps clothing, inwardly are ravened from the Spirit of God, and have set up your Schools and colleges to make your Ministers, and your great houses to preach in, since the dayes of the Apostles, and have got sheeps clothing on your backs, and so with that deceives Nations, and hath carried the Lambs and Sheep into your Dens, Inquisitions and Prisons, and burned and roasted them in the Fire, & drunk their blood, which was not the work of the Apostles; and so that hath been your weapons to convert people, your Fires and Inquisitions, your Racks and hallowed Swords; and this hath been your way to convert people to that you call your Church, which was the way of Cain, and all heretics and Blasphemers, and of the Devil, and not of Christ and the Apostles, and his Church; and so you be in the subtil-heartedness, that deceives the hearts of the simplo. And so we do understand, fathom, and comprehend the Papist Church, who are come to the Apostles, before they were.  
And whereas you Papists say, We hear them speak of almost nothing but Christ, and the Light.  
Ans. There stands our joy and peace, in Christ the light, who is the end of the Prophets, the Heir of all things; so we speak of the Heir of all things, when we speak of Christ; he is the Head of our Church, our life, our way, our truth, our sanctification, our justification, our wisdom, our righteousness; this is in us, and amongst us, who are by all the Sects of the Earth called Quakers, which are of the Royal Seed of God, who witness light in us, and life in us, and Christ in us, and are not reprobates, 2 Cor. 13. But I know you Papists, Popes, and Jesuits,( which have deceived the Nations and the World) cannot endure to hear talk of Christ, nor the light within you, but you tell the people he is in the Bread and Wine, and so puts him in your Cubbards, and Houses, and close Chambers, and deserts, and cry, Lo, he is here, here, and lo there; and in the secret place, and in the Chamber, when he should be within you.  
So here is the marks of you deceivers and Wolves, which have the sheeps clothing, & the marks of you that be Antichrists & false Prophets that Christ said should come, mat. 7.24. and John saw was come, 1 John 2. chap. & 4. chap. and went forth from them into the world, which in Rev. 13. All that dwelled upon the Earth went after ye; and there you may see how you killed the Saints; and there again you may see how you deceived the world with your miracles & lying signs, and the Beast had power over over all the Tongues, Kindreds, and Nations; and how this Woman which you call your Mother the Church, has drunk the Saints blood, and corrupted the Earth with your Images and Idols, and made the Inhabitants thereof drunk. And again, this Man-child should have been brought forth, which hath been caught up to God this time, who will rule the Nations with a Rod of Iron, and take your false Prophets, Beast and Antichrist, and the old Dragon, and cast them alive into the Lake of Fire. And the Judgement of the great Whore is come, and the Lamb and the Saints shall have the victory; and she shall be burnt with fire who hath burned. And now if you be offended because I call your Mother the Whore, I shall give you an instance; When the children of Israel ran to Images and Idols, from the Law of God, they was called the Whore, and was run into the spiritual Whoredom; and when the Jews that had the Law of God, and transgressed it in Canaan, Canaan was called Spiritual egypt, and Sodom; and the jews, and so you that inwardly are ravened from the Spirit of God, and hath the sheeps clothing, which went from the Apostles into the world, kills, burns, racks, imprisons in your Inquisitions such as will not own your Images, Idols, and Worships you have set up, who are ravened from the Spirit of God, and went forth from the Apostles; what should we call you but as the Scripture calls you, Beast, whore, Babylon, false Prophets, Antichrist, Mother of all Harlots since the dayes of the Apostles. But now with the power and spirit of truth which you have ravened from, are you all comprehended, and the glorious Church come to; and your mask and covering taken off, and we can see your faces now, and see you are Wolves; your Sheep Skin is taken off, and( like the Pharisees) you are in your Fasts, smiting with the fist of wickedness, and not like the Saints fast, which we all own; and so your boasts is as the Pharisees, who are turned against the Just; but the Just reigns, and the Quakers do witness the darkness is past, and true light it shines; the Day is come, and him that destroyeth Death, the Devil, the power of death, and his Works.  
And the time is come that the hidden things of darkness is brought to light, and many do witness their bodies the Temples of the Holy Ghost, which is holy, where sin hath nothing to do there; and this was the spirit of the Apostles, and this is the spirit of the Quakers, which your spirits and the Papists are out of, as your fruits declare it; and Sin and Devil must be shaken, but the Quakers witness that which cannot be shaken; and many of them witness sanctification throughout, and Christ manifest to destroy the work of the Devil, and the work of the Devil is blasphemy and heresy, and seducing, and error, and Schisms, of all unrighteousness, sin, and ungodliness. Now them whom you call heretics, Blasphemers, Seducers, false Prophets, the Devil makes all these; instead of striking at the power which makes all these, you strike at the creatures, and burns, and imprisons, and kills them; are you like the Apostles, who wrestled not with flesh and blood, but with principalities, powers, and spiritual wickednesses, and Rulers of darkness, and converted many to God, and did not destroy the creature, but loved Enemies, and turned them from darkness to the light, from the power of Satan to God? for an Enemy of God is in darkness and under the power of Satan; and the Apostle came amongst many Blasphemers, Schisms, Seducers and Errors, and their Weapons were spiritual, and mighty through God, and did not kill creatures. Now all may red your Weapons what they are. And Christ through death destroyed the Devil, who had the power of death, and his works, and yet did not destroy the creature though he was amongst Blasphemers, Errors, and Seducers; & when the desire was to have Fire come down from heaven by some, he checked them, and bid them know what spirit they were of, and  told them they did not know what spirit they were of, &  told them he did not come to destroy mens lives, but to save them, Luke 9.46. and so you do not know what manner of spirit you are of, but are to be rebuked, and except you repent, you shall likewise perish. Now are you like Christ? Have you the mind of Christ, his Spirit, his Wisdom, his righteousness, which was before the World was made, that destroys mens lives in your Inquisitions, and racks them, and kills them, and burns them? are you like Christ or the Apostles? Judge yourselves.  
And he saith, No man knoweth whether he be worthy of love or hatred, Eccles. 9.1. Prov. 28. Who can say, My heart is clean, I am clean from sin? 1 Joh. 1. He that saith he is without sin, is a liar. From these Scriptures the Quaker may observe that they are in the deep darkness, and taking upon him the office of judging himself to be righteous, which onely belongs to Christ our Lord; and the quakers spirit seemeth more to be the spirit of antichrist, then the the spirit of God.  
Ans. By these Scriptures the Papists may see that ye are in deep darkness, and measure themselves and their whole Church unconverted, out of the spirit, having the sheepsclothing, but from it ravened: For first, You say no man knoweth either love or hatred; this is in the state of ignorance and darkness, not converted; for who are converted, they know God, he loved them, and they love him again; and those that fears always, hath the blessing; and they that pray to him, and see him, is out of a pure heart; but you Papists, and your Mother that saith no man knoweth whether he be worthy of love or hatred; and yet you blind, brings the next Scripture to confounded thyself, and thy whole Church, that saith, Blessed are them that fear always; and them that are blessed, are loved; and we do believe thee and thy Church, that you do not know that Scripture to you, that you do not know whether you be in the love or hatred; and is all your Profession, and all your Religion, and all your Church, and all your Teaching, and all your Jesuits, and all your Killing, and Prisoning, and Fires come to this? Hath it all been done by this mad ignorance? You that do not know whether you be beloved or hated? And is this your Doctrine in the end of all your profession and Religion? We do believe you; this is to prove that you be in the unconverted estate. But I shall tell you, That we are of God, and beloved of God, and we love them that are begotten of God, and are passed from death to life, and are of Jacob who God loved, and we know love & hatred; but you Pope, Papists and jesuits, are in the hatred, who cannot say your hearts is clean; so you are not in the conversion, regeneration, nor translation in the Covenant of God, out of transgression, and that which makes unclean; but you are them that are past from life to death, got up since the dayes of the Apostles, in the unconverted estate, no man knoweth whether ye be worthy of love or hatred; and here what hearts have you prayed with all this while, and seen withall? who shows your impure hearts, and contrary to the Apostle, who lifted up pure hands, and prayed with a pure heart, which the others were not accepted?  
And this is the Doctrine of the jesuits, the Popish Church, apostatised from the Apostles which knew all things, 1 joh. 2. and the Scripture in the first of John, which thou add'st to, and perverts, which saith, If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us; and if we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, &c. Now he did not say [ He] as thou dost; thou are so blind in this, thou wilt say Christ is a liar, in him there was no sin; but come to the thing: There is a time for people to see that they have sinned, and for we to say we have sinned, and a time to see we have sin, and then if we confess our sin which we that have sinned, and have sin, if we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive, and the blood of Jesus Christ the Son of God, cleanseth us from all sin; then we can say our hearts is clean( mark, us) from all; not from some, and love some, but from all.  
Now we do believe that you are not of this [ us.] Then again, He that is born of God, doth not common sin: Now here is cleansing from all sin, such as have sinned, & have sin, & then the birth ( born of God) which doth not commit sin, and the blood of Iesus Christ the Son of God, which cleanseth from all sin, and whosoever abideth in him, sinneth not; and whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, nor known him. Little children, let no man deceive you, he that doth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous, mark, even as Christ: But you Papists, Priests, and Popes, it is your Doctrine that none should be righteous; so are they deceivers, and preacheth it up: And whosoever is born of God, doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God. Now you will tell John he lies, and say he hath sin in him, and he must commit sin, and bring the uncleansed state to oppose Iohns Doctrine. So here your spirit is tasted to be of Antichrist, and savoured not to be of God, but apostatised from John, and your hypocritical Mask is drawn off, that you speak of, and we see what hath lurked under it all this while, the wolf.  
He saith, The quaker goes on, and saith all our observations and circumstances, and worships, and fastings, who hath required these things at your hands, saith the Lord? Did not those of Nineveh by fasting and prayer reconcile the Lord, when otherwise within forty dayes Nineveh should have been destroyed? and also it should have come to pass if there had been none but Quakers in Niniveh, for they would have rejected Jonas preaching, and not troubled themselves with fasting and prayer.  
Ans. Many of the Prophets and Servants of the Lord hath cried through your streets, and come in sackcloth and ashes amongst you, as witness Elizabeth Harrice, who went from London in England, and cried in your streets in Venice, in sackcloth and ashes, being commanded of the Lord so to do, that you might be reconciled to God, and turn from your Images and Idols, and your will-worships, which is set up since the dayes of the Apostles, the apostasy of the beast from them; and you threatened her with death, and it was the mighty hand and power of the Lord God that she scaped with her life from amongst you. About the same time a young man was moved of the Lord to go from London to jerusalem, and he saw your abominations there acted by those persons that thou callest spiritual men, which never mary; such of those would have murdered him in the way, had not the chief Governor of Iasea rescued him out of your hands, and sinned your spiritual men many collars for their cruelty; and here the Turks sees your wickedness, and condemns your spiritual mens practices, and abhors your cruelty, and gave him a Fass to do the will of the Lord. John Parrot, and John Luffe, being moved of the Lord to come to your head City at Rome, to cry amongst you, that you might be reconciled to God, and turn from your dead Images and Idols, whom you cast into your Den,( called your Inquisition) and there caused them to suffer that which you will let no man know nor see that be of their friends and acquaintance; your cruelty is so great, worse then the Heathen to Paul, who prayed to the Lord to deliver him from the unreasonable men; Are you like Ninevch? Are not your Fasts like the Pharisees here? nay worse. Have not you fires among you to burn the Saints? and your Inquisitions to rack them, and tear them to pieces, and will not let their friends see nor know what you do to them. O cruelty! your mercies are cruel, and have not learned mercy without Sacrifice, your force is not right. And George Baylie who was moved of the Lord to come amongst you into France, and John Harwood, whom you cast into prison till one of them dyed, and never was content till you had drunk his blood; and is this your fruits like the Apostles? Are you them that receive strangers? Is this your work of receiving of them? Have you not trodden the commands of the true Church under your feet? Now a stranger is one that is not of you, that you do not know; but are you of such fearful, frighted, fiery spirits, that presently into the Inquisitions with them, presently into the Gaols, or else you do offend him that is out of the truth, whom you do serve, not of Christ nor the Apostles; and how much blood have you spilled since their dayes, which at your hands must be required? And the Quakers do not reject Jonas preaching, nor Ninevehs fasting, but yours which hath this wicked Fist; and so all your ceremonies is denied, and hypocritical fasts, by us who are the Heirs of salvation, and sons, and daughters.  
He saith, Behold once whither to the hellish Enemy can bring a man under the pretence of holiness! but I believe the Quaker cannot prove by the holy Scripture, that the Lord hath not said, who hath not required fasting and prayer at your hands?  
Ans. All the holy Scriptures of truth witness against your fasts, amongst whom is found the fist of Wickedness, as it was in the dayes of the Prophets and Christ, as it is in your days since the Apostles; so we can say, The Lord hath not required these at your hands; for now I shall give you some Scriptures; you oppress, you prison, you rack, you burn, you do not let the oppressed go free, as witness all your Gaols and Inquisitions, and Fires, and Burnings; here's the bond of Iniquity amongst you, your bread you deal not to the hungry, but you famish them in your Prisons and Inquisitions, you cast into prison the little ones of the Lord, and cast Christ into prison; now if they go into everlasting punishment that does not visit Christ in prison, and doth not clothe him, and feed him, what will become of you, and what will your end be that casts him into prison, and will not suffer others to visit him, but make him sick, let him hunger there, make him naked? O you hard hearted ones, cruel and bloody! had it not been better that a Mill-stone were hanged about your necks, and you cast into the sea, then to offend the little ones? And so the Hellish Enemy( you who are gone from the light) hath swallowed you up, and become Death and Hell, and made agreement with it; and whither have you carried people? And all your sacrifices, and offerings, and services is no more then if you should cut off a Dogs Head, and bless one of your Idols, your Images; with the light you are all comprehended & condemned, and your sacrifices are loathsome to the Lord God; and you Babylon is come into remembrance of him, whose Church, Ministry, and all Sects upon the Earth is apostatised from the Apostles, and kills one another, and destroys one another about your pretended Church, and Worships, and Teachers, and one killing one anothers Teachers, which be all quiter out of the power the Apostles was in; but we are come to that the Apostles was in, and the power of God, Christ, which all you slayers and killers about Church and Ministry, and Worship, is out of, and prisons till death about your Religion, which was not the Apostles Work to kill mens lives, but to save them, which hath been yours since the dayes of the Apostles; and the fasting the Scripture doth speak of, we own.  
And he saith, He thinks the quakers spirit doth not witness as if the Lord himself did say so to him; But the Angel Satan, saith Paul, changeth himself into an angel of light; for if it were a good Angel taught the quaker, it would not teach him to speak against the word of God; but it is an evil spirit by which the quaker is driven; therefore saith Gods word, Wo to those foolish-Prophets that follows their spirit and sees not.  
Ans. Thou hast raised these Words in saying to thee, Who hath required these things at your hands? You are them the devil hath changed himself into an Angel of light, which the Apostle saw come up and appeared before his decease, and followed your own spirits, and been driven by the Devil to do his Work, who was a murderer from the very beginning; for when he had murdered within, he murdered afterwards without; so when you have murdered the Witness of God in yourselves, then after you murdered others without you that was in the life of God, that kept the restimony of Jesus, the Spirit of prophesy; and Christ called the jews murtherers, who had murdered the witness of God in themselves, and turned against the just in the general, and so  told the Iows( the great Professors of Christ to come) that they was of their Father the Devil, his Works they did that was persecutors and murtherers: And so you now since the dayes of Christ and the Apostles, that killed, made havoc, and murdered, and persecuted till death, all you are of your father the Devil, his Works you are doing who abode not in the truth; so you are of your Father the Devil, murtherers, as the Jews were persecutors, and Pilot had more compassion upon Christ, then the jews; and the Heathen hath more compassion of the true Christians which are in scorn by you called Quakers,( which are the elect of God) then you hot burning Papists, as witness the Turk, who shewed more favour to such a one, to him when he went to jerusalem, then you Papists, who there kept him as a prisoner, and would not let him go out, because he would not bow to your deceit, until you had carried him our as a prisoner: Is this your receiving strangers? Are you like the Apostles and Christians? You have a Name, but dead from life, and so made a prey upon him, and so tossed him up and down from place to place; and here your apostasy is seen from the Apostles, and all judged with the Scriptures the words of God, and the Word in which they end; and the Lord clears us from all your filth and dirt, who are come into that the Devil and his Angels are out of; and you both, and all your seeming Profession, and Religion, and Worship is denied, is judged, which is all set up by you( and invented) that went forth from the Apostles, and are reprobate from their faith and life, and set up your Church and Ministry, and all that do partain to it, by a usurped authority, which was getting up before the Apostle deceased; and so are amongst all the foolish prophets, and false Ptophets, who are ravened from the spirit of God, and follow their own spirit, and so are with the spirit of the Lord God, and Truth, and the true Prophets, Apostles and Christ, judged.  
He saith, The quakers saith, that we are in hatred, and kills, and slays men for the worship of God, and that we have another spirit then Christ and his Apostles; and the reading over their prayers troubleth and afflicteth the righteous one, and praying to Names, and minding Images, keeps them from the life and power of God, which is the eross of Christ, and the spirit in which they ought to pray, of which the Lord knoweth the meaning.  
Ans. Your Images, your Names, your praying with Beads, your formal hypocritical fasts, and your hatred, and killing, and staying men for the Worship of God, doth show your fruits and practise that you are of another spirit then Christ and the Apostles; & your Pope shall come down, who hath been high, and one of the inventors of these things, contrary to the power of God, the across of Christ; and so your stony hearts hath set up your wooden and stony across, who hath lost the power of God, the across of Christ, the power of God, the praying in the spirit, with which we fathom you all.  
And whereas thou sayest, We catholics do expressly deny that we do not kill men concerning the worship of God, but that there hath been some killed who would have destroyed the worship of God, that is not denied by us; for what insolency and arrogancy hath there been committed in the catholic Church? how many Alters have they cast under-foot, burnt the Images of Christ & his Saints, ravished the spiritual Virgins, & killed divers Priests, and sought to turn all things up-fide-down that hath been used in the catholic Church over since the Apostles time? what wonder is it then that for such practices some were killed; and some others was slain that did not commit such things, it is not permitted to blaspheme against the Church of God.  
Ans. This is false; for you do, and have killed men for the Worship and Service of the living God, and you have not the Worship nor service of God amongst you, in truth, and so men cannot destroy that which you have not; and if you was in the Worship and Service of God,( which is in the spirit, and in the truth) you was not to have killed men, and take away their lives, if they would have killed you: Did Christ and the Apostles do so? Nay, Christ said, My Kingdom is not of this world, if it were, they would fight, and he could have called his servants. And now you have shewed your kingdom which is of this World; and do you call that insolency and arrogancy to break down your images and altars? Was not this the work and service of God to do so? Had the Apostles altars, earthen altars, and images of Christ and his Saints amongst them? alack for you, you have lost the image of God, & the power of God; prove by the Scripture where they had such things amongst them, that the Apostle had set up by the command of the Apostles: Was not the work of the Magistrates to break down the images and the alters? and is it your work to set them up, and kill men for breaking them down? How is this Star fallen into the Eatth, as John speaks of? and how is your Candlestick removed from you? I tell you plainly, Those that worship God in the spirit, and in truth, cannot hold up your Images & your altars, but break them down, and the founder of them, the Mind that set them up; and Christ that said to the Woman of Samaria that was looking at outward Worships at Jerusalem, Samaria, and the Mountain where Jacobs Well was, They worshipped they knew not what, but salvation was to the jews, and they that worship the Father, they must worship him in spirit and in truth; and ye that call yourselves Christians, turn into images and earthly alters; away with your deceit, all that fears God will break them down, and then you will rage like the Heathen, about your dead Images and your altars: Did not the Apostle bring the Hebrews off of the Earthen Altars to Christ; and Tabernacle, and outward things, to the substance; and your souls are crying under your earthen altars, which is Esau killing and slaying the just, though you have often washed it with tears( Esau-like) and those that have ravished divers of those you call spiritual Virgins, and killed many of your Priests.  
As for ravishing and killing, and taking away lives about Religion, was not amongst the Apostles, and denied by us who be in their power; but they are like unto your own fruits and actions, as many of the poor Heathen may witness, and the poor Martyrs and Saints. And for Spiritual Virgins, their fruits and yours have declared it unspiritual, unlike spirit; for them that be in the spirit, that was looked upon as men turning the World upside-down, as the Elect( called Quakers) are now; for they brought the people( Jews and Gentiles) off all their Types, Figures and Shadows, and off all their Images, outward Temples, tithes and Priests, which you( apostates from the Apostles) have set up, your Images, Temples, tithes and Priests; so the same cry is found amongst you in this age now, as was in the days of the Apostles amongst the Heathen and Jews, who lived in Images, Temples, tithes and Priests, as you do now, who cried, help men of Israel, these are them which turn the world upside-down; and so you cry, Help Pope, help carnal men, help arm of flesh, keep up your Images, keep up your tithes, keep up your Temples, for these Quakers are them which turns the World upside-down. I say, Yes: We are come to the Apostles Doctrine and Power, and we cannot but visit Christ in prison, who hath been slain from the foundations of the World, on the top of it we are come, and before the foundation of the World was, were we elected, a top of it reigns, and Christ the truth reigns now a top of all your deceit, a top of all the World, who was dead, and is alive, and lives for evermore; and so you are all like the old World, raging; and Sodom against Noah and Lot, so are you against the Righteous, and a true Word that you say, all of an uproar; and so like the raging Priests, raging Heathen, raging Pharisees, and not like unto the Apostles, which is come into that which was before the World was made, where no uproar is, for that's in the World and your Church, and not in the Church of the Apostles, the Church of God, which is the Pillar and ground of Truth, which the Gares of Hell cannot prevail against, it cannot be turned upside-down; but your Church which is of an uproar, and the World, which must be turned upside-down; so not a true Church, but like Pharisees and Heathen, that was against the Apostles, and the Church of God was never in an uproar; and you Papists, if you dare venture your Church without your carnal Weapons, and see if the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it; nay, hath he not prevailed against it already? that you are become the greatest Synagogue that he hath in the World, thus held up with Cains Weapons, not Abels and Christs, but like the Jews and chief Priests( as you do speak of) that doth come with Swords and Staves against Christ, the plagues of God is your portion, and your Popes Church was made up of the blasphemers that went forth from the Apostles, which John saw in the Revelations blaspheming against God and his Tabernacle, and killing and murdering his Saints; but the Apostles and Christ, when they came amongst Blasphemers, they did not burn them, rack them, put them in a House called Inquisition: Was there ever such a company of Massacreans known upon the Earth as the Pope and his Weeds and Rags that he makes up his Church withall?  
And the Popes Church is no true Church, but a false Church, got up since the Apostles.  
And thou sayest, The man that will do presumptuously, and not being obedient to the command of the Priest, that man shall die the death by the sentence of the judge.  
Ans. This is like unto the Papists Doctrine; but the Priesthood is changed, whose lips was to preserve knowledge, and had his Pulpit; under which Levitical Priesthood the people received the Law, which Law Christ is the end of to every believer; and that Priesthood changed, made by the Law of God, and the Law is changed also, and the Law of the spirit of life is come in, and Christ Jesus the everlasting Priesthood, whom the people must hear, and every one that doth not hear him, is to be cut off from the people with spiritual Weapons, not with the carnal, he doth not say so( though the Priest in the Law) the man should die that spoken presumptuously, and would not harken to the priest, that had been a Worshipper of Images, and a server of other Gods, and he not hearkening to the Priest, who is to stand up to minister, even that man should die, and all the people should hear and fear, and do no more so presumptuously. Now Christ who is the end of this Priesthood, that Ministry, faith the Disciples to him that stood up to minister, when the presumptuous ones stood against Christ, it was commanded fire to come down from Heaven to consume them, said they to Christ the everlasting Priest and Judge; nay saith Christ the everlasting Priest, ye know not what spirit ye are of; I come not to destroy mens lives, but to save them, who kills and slays with the sword, which is the Words of his mouth; and so though there was killing and slaying blasphemers in the time of the Law with carnal Weapons, yet the Apostles which went amongst blasphemers, who said, Every soul must be subject to the higher Power, that which was ordained of God; for the soul is immortal, and the power is immortal to which it must be subject to; and speaking of help Magistrates for Government, yet he did not say, Thou shalt kill blasphemers and heretics, though the Apostle went amongst many heretics, and blasphemers, and brochers of errors; and Christ which came amongst the Jews( the Priests) a company of blasphemers, who spoken presumptuously, and said he was the Prince of Devils; Christ who is the end of the Law, did not destroy all these blasphemers, who had all power in Heaven and Earth given to him, by carnal Weapons and Inquisitions, and bid people make fires to throw them in; now he destroyed death, and he that hath the power of death, the Devil, and his Works, which is blasphemy, error, seducing, presumption; yet Christ did not destroy the creature, destroy mens lives.  
Therefore now you Papists and your Church is proved to be out of the Apostles Doctrine, and Christs, who struck at, and cut down the spiritual Wickednesses, the powers of darkness, and rulers of darkness, and death, and him that hath the power of death; and this Priesthood is to be heard, Christ Jesus, and not the first priesthood that slays and kills such as will not hear him; which priesthood is changed, and the Law by which it was made; so he is not to be head that slays mens lives, but he that comes to save them; This is my beloved Son, saith God, hear him, saith God; and the Apostle that brought people off the first priesthood, said, God who at sundry times, and in divers manners had spoken to them by the Fathers and the Prophets, hath now spoken unto us by his Son; and Moses said they were the Son in all things; and Stephen when he was stoned to death, and God said he would give him for a covenant, and he should be the leader of his people, and all to learn of him, and love enemies, he who will give to every man a reward according to his Works; and you shall have a reward according to your works: and so the Apostle acknowledged he had been a blasphemer, when he was converted; and if they should have gone about to have killed all the blasphemers, as you do,( which you call blasphemers) then they should have killed the Apostle, who are the blasphemers yourselves, who are like unto Paul before he was converted, persecuting others whom he thought was in the blasphemy, when he himself was there in it, as he confessed afterwards. And so your Church is like unto the Jews and Cain, persecutors: Now the law and higher power is gone over you all, Cain and you all; the Jews and you both; which law was before any transgression; & so you are found in the presumption, usurping authority, who set up another priesthood since the dayes of the Apostles, and have killed and slain those that will not comform to you; now it was the work of Christ and the Apostles, whom ye have denied, who wrestled not with flesh and blood, as you do, apostates from them; but with the principalities and powers, and spiritual wickednesses, rulers of darkness in high places, and so they destroyed the ground of presumption, & error, & blasphemy & seducings; & Christ destroyed the devil that went out of truth; and death, where he sets up his authority and his works on this seed of God, comes over all, here to beget, and the ground and cause of Error, Presumption and Blasphemy, Christ destroyed, who comes to save mens lives, who doth enlighten every man that cometh into the World, which believing in the light are saved, which not condemned. And that is the Word of the Lord God to you all; and those Scriptures in the Romans and Hebrews, are owned, and the everlasting Priesthood, the Seed of God, Christ Jesus, is raised up to trample down all presumptuous ones, blasphemous ones, and they that speak presumptuously against him; this Priest Christ Jesus, they shall die before the Judge, who will kill with the sword, and slay with the sword, which is the word of his mouth, and the Lamb and the Saints shall have the victory, when the Beast is taken, and with him the false Prophet, and the Devil, and the Dragon, and Satan, deceivers of the Nations, they shall deceive them no more, but shall be cast alive in the Lake of Fire that burns with brimstone, and the Lamb and the Saints shall have the victory; and rejoice over them you Prophets and Saints, and all the Plagues, and Woes, and Vials, and Thunders, and Wrath of the Lord God Almighty is to come upon you, and blood you must have to drink that have drunk blood; and he that kills with the sword, must perish with the sword; and here's the faith and patience of the Saints, who overcomes with the blood of the Lamb; but you have overcome Nations with your swords since the dayes of Christ and the Apostles, apostatised from them; and the Apostles overcame by their spiritual Weapons, the Powers of darkness, and not carnal.  
Whereas thou saith, The Magistrate bears not the Sword for nought, for he is the Minister of God to take vengeance on him that doth evil. Let not the Quaker say any more that we have another spirit then Christ and his Apostles, till he hath confuted this, and with clear Scripture proved, That such as seek to turn all things concerning the Worship of God, and set the World in an uprour, that oppresseth the innocent, and may not such be killed and punished? And when he hath shewed this, then from thence will follow, that they bear the sword in vain; it is flat against the Doctrine of the Apostle Paul, who had another spirit then they who are of an evil Sect, that set the world on an uproar by quaking.  
Ans. The Apostle who said, Let every soul be subject to the higher power, which soul is immortal, and power immortal; they were them that set the whole World in an uproar, Jews and Gentiles; and Christ set all Jerusalem in an uproar, that Herod was fain to gather all the chief priests together. Now you and the World that will be set in an uproar, you show what Church you are of you are like Jews and Gentiles, in the transgression, and not like the Apostles, and not the Church, the pillar and ground of truth that cannot be shaken. And the Prophets trembled, David, jeremiah, Daniel, and in the dayes of Esay, and the Apostle Paul among the Corinthians; and he bids the Saints work out their salvation with fear and trembling; and these set the World on an uproar, and Christ, who said false prophets should come, which John saw was come, went forth from them in the Revelations, which all the World went after them; John saith in the Revelations, there must be an Earthquake, and such an Earthquake which hath not been from the foundation of the World. Now all you amongst whom there is such an uproar made by them that tremble at the Word of God, whom God regards, you are all to be shaken, with all your Images, and Worships, and Teachers, and foundation of them, as all the jews and Gentiles which stood in their inventions, and types, and figures, and shadows, must all be shaken, amongst whom was the uproar, as is now amongst you, which be all in your false Worship of the Beast; and the Apostles did not destroy the simplicity nor the innocency amongst people; the jews might have said as you Papists say, The Apostle destroyed the Worship of God, who brought them off of their Temple, tithes, Priests, Offerings, which God had commanded, to the substance; and the Gentiles might have said the Apostle destroyed the Worship of their gods, as ye say now the Quakers destroy the Worship of God, which brings you off of your invented Temples, tithes, Priests and Images, and say they destroy the simplicity; I say, No, they do not destroy that; and the jews were held up by a Law, by the Priests and Magistrates, their Worship; and so was the Gentiles as you are; and all these may cry, Higher Power, and Magistrates Sword; for the jews Magistrates and the Gentiles turned against the Apostles, as yours do now against the Quakers; yet I shall tell you, the higher power, the Magistrates sword goes over you all, and the higher power over jews, over Gentiles, over you papists, over you all, & hath taken vengeance of you all; and every Heathen inventor will cry, higher power, who lives in his images and idols; and the Apostle that witnessed the higher power, went amongst all the principalities and powers, thrones and dominions, and he preached and established a power above them all. So neither you, nor jews, nor Gentiles, worships God, that sees not Christ who is the end of the first priesthood, the end of all your outward Temples, tithes, and Offerings, and that lives in Images and Idols; for they that worship God, must worship him in spirit and in truth, that the Devil is out of, and that cannot be destroyed, the gates of Hell cannot prevail against that. So your Worship that is not in the spirit and truth, but in Images, and Idols, and Temples,( like Gentiles) which the Apostles came to destroy and overturn the jews which stood in outward things, which you papists who be got up since their decease, and worship what you have invented, and ravenned from the Spirit, the true Worship, which true Worshippers worship in; and so there you kill and slay men, who are out of the truth and spirit, your Idols, and Images, and outward things; for who juleps God in the spirit and the truth,( whom the Devil and the murderer is out of) murders none about Worship; and the Apostles did not murder any, nor kill them that opposed them in their Worship, nor did not bid the Magistrates kill and slay any about their Worship; and they was killed, and slain, and murdered by the false Worshippers of the jews and Gentiles, as you false Worshippers ravened from the spirit, and apostatised from them; and so your Worships, killing and slaying men about your Worship, is not like unto the Apostles, but like unto the jews and Gentiles, and the Devils Worship, who must worship out of truth; and the higher power is over all this, which the soul must be subject to; and they be true Worshippers, and doth not destroy any creature about Worship; you never red that the Apostles and Christ did so, who is the end of the Law and Prophets, that established the higher power, and that they should bid the higher power take away mens lives for blasphemy, but they came to save them; and wrestled not with flesh and blood, but with the principalities and powers, and Rulers of darkness that they wrestled against. Now you that destroy mens lives, and wrestle with flesh and blood about your Worship, you are in the power of darkness, and not the true Worshippers of God in spirit and truth; against the powers of darkness you do not wrestle, but with flesh and blood, and destroys mens lives, and not save them, and so are not the true Worshippers of God in spirit and in truth, and your souls are not come to the higher power, but the higher power is gone over you all, and so you are all ignorant of the higher power which goes over all the transgressors upon the earth, and answers the principle of God in every one that hath been transgressed, and hath been under the Power of the Beast, which hath been over all Kindreds, Tongues, and Nations, and this you call higher power, and by this power hath all the blood been  shed since the dayes of the Apostles, about Religion, and every Nation, Kindred, Tongues, and People, will cry, Higher Power, which is the Beast by which all the blood hath been  shed since the dayes of the Apostles, and all the Saints have been murdered, which was not the Apostles Work, nor the power of Christ. And now the higher power is gone over you, and life and truth both, in which God is worshipped.  
Thou sayest, That the Quaker will reprove us because we red our prayers; if this be true, the Quaker judgeth Christ also.  
Ans. Nay, we do not judge Christ, for he did not red over prayers by Beads; nor kneel before a across, nor David also, and the Apostles; but the Apostles Doctrine was to pray in the spirit, and so your praying and the Saints is different, for the Apostles and Saints lifted up holy hands, and they prayed without wrath and doubting, and for enemies, and you pray against Enemies, and they prayed for them; and you lift up your wicked fist, and hands full of blood, polluted lips, and full of Wrath; and this was not the Work of the Apostles; love enemies, and without Wrath, and pray in the spirit, and pray for enemies: Take away their lives, cry you; put him in the Inquisition, make a sire, burn him; rack him, if he will not turn and own your Images and Idols, which are got up since the dayes of the Apostles; for you cannot be said to pray for Enemies, and love Enemies, while it is your principle to kill them. So you Apostates hath trampled the Doctrine of Christ and the Apostles under feet, Mat. 5. and are not in the mercy.  
Further thou saist, That the Quaker saith that we pray to Names; if he means to Saints Names, we grant that we do pray to them; we desire that they should pray for us, seeing they are Gods friends; for the four and twenty Elders fell down before the Lamb, having each Harps and golden Sensers, which are the prayers of the Saints, saith the Text, Rev. 5.  
Ans. We do not red that the Saints prayed to these Elders which had the golden Vials full of odours, with the prayers of Saints; and you never red that ever the Apostles and Christ gave any such command that any should pray to the Saints( after they were deceased) to pray them, to pray for them; and so, if any one did ask, the command of Christ was, to ask in his Name; and, Thou shalt not serve any other God but me, saith God, and I will be your God, pray unto me, and seek unto me. Now did the Apostles pray unto Moses, Abraham, Enoch, Abel, jeremiah, or Isaiah? Did the Apostles which after some of them were slain, the rest of the Apostles pray unto those that were slain? Give me an example in the Scripture, and prove it by it, the Words of God, and tell me where it is written, if ever Christ commanded such a thing, who is the Word, or else aclowledge yourselves to be setters up of inventions openly to all the World, & cannot make it good by Scripture or Example from any of the Apostles, but are in the apostasy from the Apostles, which is utterly to be denied by the power and spirit they were in, in which the Saints pray.  
And whereas thou sayest, The Quaker also thinketh that we pray to Images; but the Images which we have, that do represent Christ, they are that we seeing them, should have fresh memory of the bitter sufferings of Christ, and through that stirs up our repentance.  
Ans. It seems when you are at your prayers you would not remember Christ except you have the Images of Christ and the Apostles, and his sufferings you should forget; and they put your earthly minds in remembrance of him, the Apostles, and his sufferings, these earthly Images doth, and stirs you up to repentance; Did the Apostles and the Saints make Images of Christ, that when they prayed, these Images should stir up their minds, and put them in remembrance of Christ and his sufferings? Had the Saints in all their Epistles, had they Images of Saints to put them in mind of the Apostles to pray before, and a earthly across to put them in mind of the across of Christ, to pray before, and stir them up to repentance? It seems earthly Images and Crosses stirs you up to repentance, and puts you in mind of Christ, but it shows that you are not yet come into repentance from dead Works: Is it like that earthly things, Images, and Crosses, should stir up to repentance, or put people in mind of Christ the mystery, the power of God? and this doth show you want the power of God, the mind of Christ in you, his life in you, and righteousness in you, and Christ in you, except you be reprobates; and so reprobates must have dead Images and Idols to put the dead in mind of him; and so the Apostle came to know a state, not laying again the foundation of repentance, but went on to perfection; but to you this is a mystery; and how can you talk of repentance, when you are killing and slaying in your Inquisitions? Hath your dead Images stirred you up to no better repentance then this, killing, slaying, burning, Inquisitions? Is this like repentance that need not be repented of, which the Apostles was in, who prayed for their Enemies? But your repentance is unrepentance, to serve dead Works, not repented from them, to serve the living God.  
And whereas thou sayest, That the Images of the Virgin Mary, and the holy Apostles, and other Saints, beholding their Images we might take courage to follow their foot-steps, seeing they entred into heaven through many tribulations. Let the Quaker then consider better before he condemn the catholics again.  
Ans. The Quaker hath considered, and sees all you Papists to be out of the light, and from the Apostles, so with it condemned, and your Images of Mary, the Apostles and Christ, who went through great tribulations into the Kingdom, whom you have made Images of Wood and ston,( to put you in mind of them, as you say) but follows not their steps; for you bring into great tribulations, into Racks, Fires and Inquisitions; and so you follow not Mary, nor Christ, nor the Apostles, but follow Cain, and the persecuting Pharisees; and you follow not truth, and they that worship in it; but the Devil that is out of it, the murderer, whose children you are, who fits in his Throne executing his Will, and many has overcome, and through truth are made free; and witness the Throne of God, his power and dominion; for did Mary, Christ, and the Apostles,( of whom you have made Wooden Images, and ston Images) bring people into great tribulations, Fires, and Racks, and Inquisitions? O no; you may deceive the World, but the Elect you cannot; I challenge all Papists to come out upon the Earth. So you are them that makes the life of Christ suffer in his Saints, and prison him, and makes him suffer unspeakably, and them that goes through tribulations; and yet you tell the World you follow him, but Christ tells you, you follow the Devil, and his Works you do, not Christs, as you may red in John, who are the murtherers, and doing the Works of your Father, and not the Work of Christ and his Father; and thus Christ tells you, you are of your father the Devil, who are murtherers and persecutors, and not visitors of Christ in prison, but casters of him into prison.  
Whereas thou sayest, These Images and things that are to be seen, as Images and Crosses, are not to be worshipped, but that which their presentis to be praised and honoured  
Ans. Let us see if you can honor, and praise, and worship God without your Images, and remember God, and Christ, and the Apostles, without Images of them, then you will be tried whether you worship them, or not; throw down all your lying signs which hath made people to wonder at, which the Beast hath set up, which hath compelled others to worship; & have not you compelled, or burned, or racked, and put into your Inquisitions such as will not worship you? Now did ever Christ or his Apostles do so? O lamentable ignorance that is found amongst you! Cruelty & unmercifulness, & gravesful of the dead mens bones, and the blood of the Saints have you drunk, that would not worship: Did the Apostles drink any mans blood that would not worship? make a fire, and burn their flesh and blood in, as you do? Make Inquisitions, and rack them to death there? You talk of the Saints sufferings who are thus making them to suffer so as hath hardly been heard upon the Earth; but the Elect sees you, and the Saints; I challenge all the Papists upon the Earth to answer me, Where ever the Apostles, and the Saints in the Epistles set up a Wooden across, or ston; or Wooden Images, or ston Images of Christ, and Mary, and prayed before them; get a company of Beads, and drop them as they prayed; answer me then. Where the Church commanded such things, and set up such things before the Apostles deceased? and then you say things to purpose Now the Apostles that was the Christians, and the Saints, was converted, they need not have an Image of Christ made of ston, or an Image of Mary made of a piece of Wood, to bring them to repentance, and put them in mind of him, as you do. Now itis a sign you are not converted, and have not repented yet, but are them that are ravened from the spirit of God, and are found amongst the dead Works, apostatised from the Apostles.  
And whereas thou sayest, The quaker saith the Pope sits high, and that all is but earth, and they worship earth and earthly things, we confess willingly that the Pope sits high, for it hath pleased God to exalt him to so high an estate; for as in the Old Testament there was a visible head to govern Gods Church, to wit, the high Priest, as appears in the Books of Moses, that who would not obey the command of the High Priest, should die; and in the New Testament Christ was the Head of his Church before his ascention, and remains the invisible Head to eternity; so then the Church after his ascention, governed by a visible Head; it appears by the Scriptures that Christ appointed Peter to be Head of his Church, joh. 21. when he said, Feed my sheep; whose place the Pope of Rome succeeds. Therefore the Quaker may take heed how he speaks blasphemy of the Pope.  
Ans. The Quakers cannot blaspheme the Pope in speaking truth of him; and they are out of the ground of blasphemy, against your false Pope; and he is not the Successor of Peter, but of Cain; who is killing, who is the Sacrificer that is slaying his brother Abel; Come, we shall measure you by Peter; we shall measure Pope and Peter, which you say Peter was the Head of the Church; but the Apostle will tell you otherwise, that Christ was the Head of the Church, and they had not power over mens faith; but we shall measure the Pope with Peter; Did Peter that time that he was Head, when he was an Elder,( he does not say he was a Bishop, or a Pope) Did Peter make Inquisitions whilst he was Head, to prison any heretics, rack them to death, make fires to burn any? Did any accuse any before Peter? And did Peter the Minister of God say he should die if he did not hear him, and turn him over to the Judge and earthly powers to put him to death? Was this Peters Work? Did Peter do as the people did in the Law, the man that would not hear the Priest should die the death, and do no more so presumptuously? Did not Peter bring them off of the priesthood spoken of in the Books of Moses, and to the end of Moses? And did not the Apostle say, While Moses was red, the vale was over their hearts? And do not you keep the Vale over your hearts? And did not Peter which brought the people from the Vale to the end of Moses, from the first priesthood, from that, to Christ the Head, the end of the Law and Priests both, and bid them love enemies, show mercy? and did ever Peter put any outwardly to death, or cause any so to do that was in the presumption, and did not hear him? Did he deliver them over to a Magistrates power to put them to death, though he saw many that spoken presumptuously, their damnable Heresies, yet you do not see that Peter had any Fire, Inquisitions or racks to pull peoples bodies to pieces, but was himself a sufferer to death, in suffering, and leaving us for an example, that we should follow his steps; and when he suffered, he did not threaten; and they was called to render to no man railing for railing; and they was to lay aside all envy. Now Peter saw you coming up, to wit, in Caias Way, murtherers, and many follow their pernicious Ways, which should be like unto raging Sodom, against just Lot, and the old World against Noah the eighth person; and like unto Balaam, go from the spirit of God; and like unto Corah, that turned against the Just. Now we shal see, Is the Pope like Peter? Is he not killing, slaying, giving order so to do? It's blasphemy for the Pope to say he is the visible Head of Christs Church, who burns, kills, tortures, racks, hath mangled the Saints, set up his Inquisitions, and destroyed the Saints in it; is he Peters Successor here? Is he like Peter? Doth not Peter exhort to suffering, and long-suffering, and patience? Instead of suffering, he and you are killing, and causing to suffer, and burning the Saints: Is this like the Image of Peter? And the Rock and Church is Christ, which he is the Head of. Did Peter set up a company of Crosses, and tithes, and Temples, East and West, and pray by Beads, and call upon the Saints, and set up a Wooden Image of Christ, and a ston Image, and of Mary, to put him in mind of Christ, and bring him into repentance, and to think of his sufferings, as the Pope has done? Come, prove this by Scripture; come, let me see Peters order for all this, and commands in the true Church; where Peter and the Church commanded these things in the Epistles and Scriptures of truth, That the Pope might follow him to be his Successor in those things, that Peter might be their example that they might follow Christs steps, and Peter which fed the sheep, who was the Successor; But are you like Peter, that kills sheep, and puts them in Fires and Inquisitions? If the Pope, Jesuits, Cardinals, &c. were sheep and lambs, their fruits would show it forth; for did ever the sheep and the lambs burn any, make Inquisitions, and kill any? Was ever the sheep fed amongst the Apostles by such as made Inquisitions and Fires to burn others that withstood them, & racks to tear them to pieces that would not turn to their Religion? Are not you such feeders with your Inquisitions, Racks and Fires? Are you like Peter, and the Apostles, and Christ? but distinct from them all; for they loved Enemies, & prayed for them: So all Peters Exhortations tends to love, patience, forbearance, and sufferings; for here was the Law of Peter, What glory is it, if when you be buffeted for your faults, ye take it patiently? but when ye do well, and suffer, this is acceptable to God; and he bids them be gentle to the froward, showing Christ the example. Now these was the sufferers that was to be buffeted for no fault; now if you were Peters Successors, you would not be buffetters; for Peter and them that was with him, were the buffeted, and you are the buffetters; nay, cannot be contented with that, but are as greedy as Cain, you will have their blood; now if you were the buffeted for a fault, or no fault, where is the Popes patience, and take it patiently that he might be acceptable to God? No, cry you, if he will not hear the priest, he shall not live; and flies to the first priesthood, which is changed, which was before Christ came in the flesh; and now see what a puddle you are fallen into; for you are neither according to the first priesthood, nor according to Peter; I shall measure you: Did the first priesthood set up Wooden Crosses, and ston Crosses, and Images, and Wooden Images, and ston Images of Abraham, Enoch, or Abel? and pray by Beads, and make Nunneries to put Virgins in, Men in one, and Women in the other, like Stables men use to part Horses from Mares, and Bulls from Kine, and Rams from Sheep? Had they no more power over themselves, Wills & Bodies? Did Peter set up such Houses for Virgins & young men? We shal measure you by the first priesthood; Did the first priesthood pray unto Abraham, Enoch, or Abel? answer me: Or did Peter bid the Saints pray to Mary, or Mary Magdalen, or Stephen, & James? Answer me these things by Scriptures,( the Words of God) Where ever any of the holy men of God practised any such thing; & did not Peter & the Apostles bring off of all the changeable things, to Christ the substance. Now if people must follow Peter,( and you say you follow Peter) must not people follow that which Peter saith then? and not you that set up such things that Peter did not, since the dayes of Peter, which neither the first priesthood, which Christ came to end, nor the Apostle, held up such things which you have set up since their days, and so all judged by the life and power they were in; And the Law came by Moses, but Grace and Truth by Jesus Christ. So which of you can red that? And the Law will cut off Blasphemers, and cut off men, but Grace comes by Jesus Christ, which saves mens lives; Go, learn what that means. You talk after the Prophets, Moses, and the Apostles words, but in the life you are judged by them all, and them that come into their life.  
And whereas he saith, If the Quaker will be a sheep of Christ, he must submit under the obedience of the Pope, to be fed with knowledge and Doctrine. And the Quaker also saith, All is earth; the worship is earth, the Pope is earth, and those that worship him are earth, and that so all is earth.  
Ans. The Quaker hath knowledge, wisdom, and understanding, which comprehends the Pope, and sees before he was, & coming to that the Apostles was in; and the quakers are the sheep of Christ, they never worried any Wolves, nor burnt none; they have no Inquisitions to rack people, and tear peoples bodies to pieces, as you have; and the Quakers sees what food you have to give to the sheep, and what provision you made for them, and entertainment, an Inquisition, and a Gaol, and a heap of burning Faggots, and a Rack to tear their bodies to pieces; and they have no Wooden Crosses, nor Beads to pray by, nor the Saints Names, but do as the Apostles did; and this is the sheeps food amongst you, and they have tasted of it, as now there is two sheep in your Inquisition at Rome, they went to see what food you had for Lambs, which is an Inquisition, and that is your food, and your provision for the Lord Christ, who is the head of the true Church; and Christ was never called the Head of persecutors and murtherers, he never headed them, he was never their Leader, but he was the sufferer, and the and the leader of the sufferers; and so your Pope is earth, and Worship earth, exalted himself like unto Corah, in his usurped authority, for Christ and God never put him into that, but as he suffered the Devil, Beast and False Prophet to reign, which is now taken, and is to be cast alive into the lake of fire, for the Lamb and the Saints shall have the victory.  
And whereas thou sayest, In the Scriptures there are three sorts of Worships found; the first is a civil Worship, a second Worship is to the Angels, and the Saints are worshipped; a third Worship is that which belongs to God alone: Abraham and Lot did worstip the Angells, and the civil worship stands in Iosephs Brethren worshipping of him, and the children of the Prophets lying flat upon the ground did worship Elias; therefore be it far from the Pope that he should suffer himself to be worshipped as God, who names himself a servant of the servants of God, who is an ambassador of God the highest King; for what is bound or loosed on earth, shall be bound and loosed in heaven; so that the honor that is given to the Pope, is more given to God then the Pope.  
Ans. Out of these three Worships, Saints, Angels, God, is the Pope found, apostatised from the Apostles and the holy men ye speak of. Now though in the old time there was a bowing before the Angels, and a bowing in the figure the type, and John in the Revelations would have bowed to the Angel, and have worshipped him, but the Angel bid him see that he did it not, for he was one of his fellow-servants, and his brethren, and bid him worship God; and the Apostle saith, Every knee shall bow to Jesus, and every tongue shal confess to him, to the glory of God: So now mark, though they bowed to the Angels in the old time, yet the angel saith in the Revelations, See you do it not, worship God, and we never red that the Angels or holy men of God compelled any to worship them; but indeed the Devil came and tempted to fall down, and worship, who is out of the truth, he tempted the Truth to fall under him, and you that are got up since the dayes of the Apostles, which John calls the Beast, hath compelled all small and great to worship him, and so now we say worship God, and every knee bow to Christ, and every tongue confess him to the glory of God, and worship him, and not the Angells. And the Saints honour is owned in its place, and you are none of them. And for your saying the Pope is the ambassador of the great King, God, that is blasphemy; for did God and Christ ever sand such an ambassador( or the Devil) to make havoc, to make Inquisitions, to make fire for his Lambs? Is this your ambassador?( and to set up Images and Wooden Crosses & Beads to pray by) Do you not see he is apostatised from the Apostles? How can you but be ashamed of him? Poor silly captives! Was not such the ambassadors of the Devil,( that is out of truth) his messengers, apostles and angels? Are not these the fruits and works of them, and not of the ambassadors of God, which went to unite Nations together in love? Where did Peter( that ambassador) set up his Inquifitions and heaps of Faggots, & Racks for them that would not obey him in other Nations whither the Lord sent him? Where did Peter say they should stab or kill heretics, and he would give them a pardon, as the Pope doth now? or sell pardons for money, as you and the Pope doth now? Nay, did not Peter say they was not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver & gold? Nay, are not you Judas's Successors, and Cains, that takes the sop, and goes out, and sacrifices, and kills Christ the just, and comes against him with Swords and Staves, with your multitudes( as Judas did) from the chief priest. Nay come further, let us reckon with you and the Pope, who saith he is the visible Head of the Church; and Christ was the visible Head of his Church when he was upon the Earth; Successors of Peter! you are disapproved. Now we shall see how you are like Christ that Head( as you speak of) while he was upon the Earth: Did not Christ come among the blasphemers and heretics that was in the Errors, and Seducers? Did he set up an Inquisition in his dayes? Did he set up a heap of Faggots and Racks to tear and burn men to pieces, as you do now, for the blasphemers, for herericks? Christ was the Minister upon the Earth then, and stood before God, an everlasting Priesthood; and stood before the Lord God ministering; heretics, Errors, Schisms, presumptuous ones, Blasphemers, Seducers, Gain-sayers that would not hear him, did he make a fire for them all, an Inquisition, a Rack to tear them to pieces, as you do now? Or did he not tell them he would not have them to be destroyed, That he came not to destroy mens lives, but to save them, &c. and bid them be merciful as their heavenly Father was merciful, and love Enemies? for God caused the rain to rain upon the just & the unjust, and the Sun to shine upon them both; and if you love them that love you again, what do you more then the publicans do? So you Pope and Papists is found in the publicans love, and you have your reward; and you will persecute others who be not of your brethren, and so found like the pharisees, in your blind mad zeal, not according to knowledge, nor Christ, who was clothed with zeal, with which am I now. And as for your foolish silly pitty to the quakers, the quakers judgeth; and your binding and loosning hath been in Hell and Death, which hath been from the Devil, and hath let you loose, and binds, and prisons, and chains the servants of the Lord God; and that is blasphemy for the Pope to say he bindeth or looseth any where else, and he and you shall acknowledge it, if ever you own the living God. And the Devil hath been loosed, of whom you are, and are murtherers of the children of God, and them bind; that is the Word of the Lord God to you; and Christs losing and binding ye are from, that which is in the Church; and whose servant hath the Pope been, who hath ridden upon the righteous, who hath preserved the wicked, who tollerates murder on the lambs of God, and sheep, as here it is; & he will give him a Bull, and he shall be one of his canonised Saints, which is the Work of the Devil; did Peter do so?  
And whereas he saith, The Apostle Paul saith, Let us approve ourselves as the Ministers of God, in much patience, watching, and fasting. And the Quakers saith, The power of God is the across of Christ, and that we must pray in the spirit: This we have known sixteen hundred years before Quakers were; therefore he must not think that he teacheth us any new thing, O now beloved friend.  
Ans. How have you approved yourselves in much patience, like the Apostles, when you have had your Fires and Inquisitions? and this hath been your work, which was not the Apostles; and the Apostles fasting, which we own, that was acceptable; but they had not the fist of wickness, and hands full of blood; they had not their Inquisitions, Racks and Fires to burn people in; but they overcame evil with good; and you with your Fires, Inquisitions, & Racks, would overcome the good with your evil; you are quiter backward to the Apostles. And if you have known that the power of God was the across of Christ, or lived in it this sixteen hundred years before quakers came up, and say this is no new thing; in this you show your ignorance of the Scriptures; for the quakers was before sixteen hundred years, as David, Jeremiah, job, Paul to the Corinhtians, and to the Hebrews, and they that knew salvation before sixteen hundred years thats past, knew it wrought out with fear and trembling; and as I said before to you, if that you had known the power of God had been the across of Christ, and that you had been in it, what need you have set up your wooden crosses, and ston crosses, which the Apostles, and Peter set up no such thing? so their Successor you are not, and so we comprehend you. And for calling the quakers beloved friends, and do you put them in your Inquisitions, and prison till death? And doth not here your flattery and hypocrisy appear? Did ever the Apostles imprison their beloved friends till death, and put them in an Inquisition? Is not this the love in the dissimulation and hypocrisy, and Cain's to Abel, and the Pharisees to Christ, and the false Apostles to the true? but with the life of God you and your love, which is but in word, is measured distinct from the Apostles, not to be of God, who hath got sheeps clothing, and fawns upon a lamb as though you loved him, and carry him into your Den, and kill him; let the blood of George Baylie witness it, and two of the Messengers of the Lord in the Inquisition at Rome, and there is that you call your dearly love you have shewed to the friends of God, and that is your provision, who disapproves your Ministry, your selves nor like unto the Apostles; for that's your provision you provide for his Messengers and Strangers, Lambs and Saints, which Peter never commanded you; and such we deny, but Peter we own.  
And whereas thou sayest, The Quaker must not be so blind to thin that we do not pray in the spirit because we often kneel before the cross whereupon Christ is represented; he might well understand that these crosses do minister occasion to us to pray in the spirit, how that Jesus Christ for our sins hanged naked upon it, how willingly he spilled his blood for us; considering that, this man becomes ashamed of his sins, stirreth up a repentance, from henceforth to shun sin, and wi●h the publican strikes upon his breast, crying, Lord be merciful to me poor sinner: Such occasions doth these Images and Crosses minister unto us to pray in the spirit, and brings us to see heavenly matters; but this the Quaker cannot receive.  
Ans. The Quakers doth comprehend your blindness who kneels before your crosses, which did not the Apostles who prayed in the spirit; and the Apostles had not earthen Crosses to administer to them whereby they might pray in the spirit; but this doth show you are apostatised from the true cross, the power of God, which brought the Saints to pray in the spirit; and the Scripture doth not say that Christ hanged naked upon the cross; and your crosses that minister to you, it is an earthly ministry; and so you have set up an earthly means, an earthly Ministry, and your crosses hath not stirred you up to repentance to shun sin, but to run further into its, to murder, and tear and destroy them that will not pray by your crosses, that earthly means and ministry, which the Apostle Peter set up no such ministry to minister means to them, as wooden and ston crosses; & Christ willingly spilling his blood for finners, and suffering, you follow him not, but are them that he suffered by, that spilled the blood of the Saints, which did not Peter and the Apostles; where did he spill any blood while he was the visible Head( as you say) here upon earth? Now you, nor Pope, are like the Apostles, or Peter, that spills the blood of others about your Religion, Worship, and Church, and Crosses, and Images; and you with the publican striking yourselves upon the breast when you see the wooden cross, stock, or ston, which it seems you remember it not till then, but when you see your Idol whereby your evil consciences is frighted, and like the publicans you are, as suitable proof for you, unconverted; but not like the publican that Christ speaks of, that said, Lord have mercy upon me a sinner, and went away sorrowful; which did not say, Lord be merciful to me a sinner, and strike upon his breast before a cross of wood and ston, as you do. Now come, I will measure the Pope with this publican; Had this publican Beads to pray by? Did this publican call upon the Names, Mary, and Mary Magdalen, or Moses, or Isaiah, or Apostles? Or had this publican crosses or images to pray by? Or had this publican Inquisitions, Fires, or Racks to put all in, and to kill them? He did not pray as you do now, and kill them as heretics that doth oppose you, as you do now; and did not the publican pray without names, beads, and crosses, and said onely, Lord have mercy on me a miserable sinner? Now how are you like? Hath not this publican judged you and your practise? And therefore the quakers cannot believe you, and sees you want that spirit, who are praying before Images; and the power of God, who are praying before the crosses; and your crosses brings you no further then the Earth, and that's a lie to say they bring you to see heavenly matters; and so I see plainly, that the Pope is the Beast that John speaks of, and full of ignorance, and the false Prophet that must be taken and cast alive into the fire, that hath deceived with his miracles them that dwell upon the earth, and compelled them to worship him, which is contrary to the Apostles, and Peter. But now people begin to fear God, and worship him, and come into the Apostles Doctrine you are out of.  
And whereas thou sayest, The quaker judgeth himself to be righteous: O miserable man! Dost not thou know that that which seems to be holy before man, is oft times stinking before God; therefore look to it, that it goeth not with thee as with the pharisee. The quaker saith also, Remember when thou liest on thy death-bed, that thou hast been warned in thy life time. We confess we have been warned in our life time by Gods word, and Gods holy Church, to take heed of such people as the quakers are, now come into the world.  
Ans. The quaker doth witness that he is in the righteousness of God, Christ Jesus, and he hath looked to it, and is out of that that seems to be righteous, which you are in, which is abominable and filthy before God, which hath been cheemed amongst you, and your righteousness, and the Pharisees party suitable, who professes the Scriptures, and ravened from the Spirit of God, and that which gave it forth, as they profess Scriptures, and out of the righteous life as you are, and turned against the just, and murdered him, as you do, and so by your righteousness can you never inherit the kingdom of God; for they loved their brethren, and hated their enemies, and you love your brethren, and hate your enemies; and so you have both broken the command of Christ, and trodden it under foot, which is this, Thou shalt love thy enemies, and do good unto them that hate you and persecute you: Do you do so? Have you not broken the command of Christ, trod it under foot, turned away from it? Have you loved your enemies, them you call your enemies? Have you not been haters of your friends? Have not you persecuted, and been the persecutors? and so out of the doctrine of Christ and the Apostles, and so hath not done good, but evil; and your righteousness hath not exceeded the Pharisees, you are grown more heathenish then they are: Did they ever pray by Beads, or before a across, or images of Abraham or Moses, or call upon the Saints names, Abraham, David or Enoch, as you do? how are you like? worse then the grossest Heathen upon the earth: And so remember in your life-time you have been warned, and you and your false Church hath been warned often, but you have not yet repented; and I know your false Church hath warned you of us called Quakers, but quaking and trembling you must know, before you know the Apostles doctrine and salvation; and the earthquakes are coming, such an earth-quake as hath not been seen since the foundation of the world; and plagues, thunders, and earthquakes you must know, before you know us, and the Apostle, and them that hath warned you who comes from the true Church of the Apostles, who are of us, you have your Inquisitions and racks for, and Gods word is quiter contrary to your practise, Christ Jesus by whom the world was made, and Gods words, both the Scriptures which Christ fulfils who is the Word.  
And whereas thou sayest, And the Quakers make poor men believe that they are sent of God, whereof they can prove no certainty; my spirit witnesseth it a poor proof, for all Sects can say so: Do you not see yet that you are founded upon a loose foundation? Do you not despise fasting and praying, which is necessary to salvation? Therefore turn speedily to the catholic Church before death overtake you, who hath her descent from the holy Apostles, she will learn you all truth; for Paul saith she is a pillar and ground of truth; and follow no more your own spirit that doth pitifully deceive you, for there stands written, Woe to the foolish Prophets, that follow their own spirits and see not herewith, farewell.  
Answ. The Quakers do see that they are founded upon that which cannot be shaken, the Rock Christ Jesus, him by whom the world was made, which the Prophets and Apostles was built upon, who always had the testimony of God within to bear witness to what they said, which we witness Christ the end of them, and their spirit witnesseth us, who have the spirit of Christ and his mind, and his across the power of God, and his Spirit witnesseth with us, that wee are the Sons of God, and are of God, this we know, and heirs of salvation, elect before the foundation of the world was, and hath a witness in every mans conscience upon the earth, and in it are we quakers made manifest, and is and shall be in yours, and all men upon the earth, and all Sects which you have been the Author of upon the earth, may get Christs and the Apostles words, but being out of the life, their lives with them are you all judged; and fasting and praying thats according to the Apostles, we own in the spirit, and that which is necessary to salvation; but your fastings and your prayers that oppresseth, and lets not the oppressed go free, who hath the wicked fist, and hold up the polluted hands, your wrath, and not praying for enemies, but persecuting your enemies like blind men, and striking at the creature, when you should have struck at the power which captivates creatures, that the creature might have come into the liberty of the sons of God; wee deny this fasting and prayer of yours which is contrary to the Apostles, and is not as theirs was, and your praying to names, which did not the Apostles, neither do we, but in the name of Christ, as did the Apostles, which is the power, and the word, which is called Emanuel: God and the Apostle did exhort whatever was done must be done in the name of Christ; the Papists works that which they think to be saved by, which they do in a pretence, and thinks to be saved by, to blind people withall, and to colour and cover over the wickedness, and flattery, and deceit, who are the Wolves covered with the sheeps clothing, who will kill and slay like the Pharisees, Jews and chief Priests, for they pretend works for murtherers, Had ever the murtherers good works? should ever the Devil the murderer be saved? but all, his works he pretends among people. Now he and they both be out of the Works and Charity, and faith, and love that the Apostles were in, and salvation; but be all in the works of condemnation.  
Whereas the Protestants say, To lay away sin, and wickedness, and evil, and vanities, and superfluity of naughtiness, it's the Papists works; in this they are deceived, and sheweth they do not know the Papists doctrine, and measureth things not aright with it.  
And they that turn to your Popes Church, turns to death from life, as you and they that set it up turned from life, ravened from the spirit, went forth from the Apostles to dead images; and they that turn from you turn to life, to the true Church the Apostles were in; and they that are moved of the Lord to turn to your Church to reprove you and it, from you they have death, and your Inquisitions, Racks and Fires; and Paul doth not say that your church hath her descent from the church of God, his church he was of: and Paul doth not say the Popes church is the pillar and ground of truth, and all knowledge shall be found in her, in the Popes church, but the church the apostles were of, before the Popes church came up, the Beast which established his Image in the Earth, which is your Church that the Church of God the Apostles was of, should show itself forth in ages to come, which now we see it, and are of it; and her glory, and her beauty, and your Churches Wisdom and Knowledge is earthly, sensual, and devilish, and the fruits hath made it appear. What Fires? What Inquisitions? What Racks? Will your Church teach us thus? Is this her Lesson she reaches? Shall we learn of her thus? Is this the Mother? We know her children whom she hath taught, what earthly, sensual, devilish destroyers? this was not the Church of Christs Work; them that are learned of God, are loved of him; but the Papists Pope hath not learned of the good Samaritan, nor of Christ the true Church; and God hath spread dung upon all your faces, and covered you with it, & marred your glory; & Christ destroyed them that went out of the truth, the ground of all presumption and blasphemy; but he did not destroy the creature by prisons, by fires, by racks; Come, we must measure you; Had the Apostle Paul who was of the Church, had his Church an Inquisition in it, a heap of Faggots, or racks, praying by Beads, Wooden Crosses, and ston, and Stew-Houses, & distinct Houses to put men & women one from another? Come, where is these fruits in the Church Paul was of? Did not Paul say, If he gave his Body to be burned, and his Goods to the poor, and had not love, he was nothing? And so you have followed your own spirit, and see nothing of the Church of Christ; wo unto you foolish prophets who are gone from the Apostles, and their Spirit, & their Church, which is the pillar and ground of Truth, which Christ is in the midst of, and Head; and your farewell which you have for the Saints, is in your racks, fires, and Inquisitions, as witness the Lambs that lies in your Inquisition at Rome, a-top of you all; and your Church is made up of them that went from the Apostles, who hath set up your Images and Idols, and are in Cains way, a company of murtherers, with your Fires, Racks, and Inquisitions, for which the wo lies upon you, which never was in the Church of God, the ground and pillar of Truth; and the Gates of Hell hath prevailed against you, and Death and Hell hath swallowed you up, which will drink up all before you, which Death and Hell must be taken and cast alive into the Lake of fire, and the false prophet, where he hath had his being; the Beast, Smoke, and the Whore, and she is in the fire, and her smoke ascends upwards; and the Devil, the old deceiver, who is your father, who first brought the creature in bondage, and there set up a Law to destroy the creature; and this hath been the devils principles to murder and destroy, not Christ nor his Apostles; and the Devils belief, and not the Saints faith which overcomes the World, and Autichrist with him, that burns with Brimstone.  
And the Apostle did not set up tithes, and temples, as you do amongst you, that has deceived the World, and kept men in earth, in your earthly Images, but the Apostle brought people out of the ninths and tenths both, who redeemed them from the Earth; for man being driven from God by transgression, in the Earth; and Abraham paid the tenth of the spoil to Melchizedeck King of Righteousness; and under the Law that went over all transgressors, which was before transgression was, they paid the tenths of the Earth; and this served the Widows, Strangers, and Levi, and they had all enough, that there was not a beggar amongst them whilst they were faithful to the Law of God. Now Christ who is the end of the Law, redeemed people out of the ninths and tenths of the Earth, up to God again, to reign upon the Earth a-top of all Images, Types, Figures and Shadows, and reigns in Christ the power of God. So you that went from the Apostles, the false Prophets that Christ said should come, mat. 24. which inwardly ravenned, and had the sheeps clothing, which went forth from the Apostle, into the World, 1 Joh. 2.4 which in the Revelations all that dwelled upon the Earth went after you, and then you set up your Images, and ninths, and tenths, and Schools, and colleges, and made your Ministers by your wills there; and your Inquisitions, Racks, and Fires burned and killed the Saints, and murdered, and overcame them and then you the Beast had power, and the Woman fled into the Wilderness, and the Man-child was caught up to God, and you made war with the Seed that kept the commandments of God; and then the Beast was amongst you, who can make war with the Beast? and then the Beast and his Names had power over all Tongues, Kindreds and Nations; and then the Beast, and his Names, and Images, and his Marks, and Horns, and then the Woman sits upon the Beast, your Mother the Church, and all Nations drunk her cup of fornication, which Whored from the Apostles, which corrupted all the Earth, and made the Inhabitants thereof drunk; and she sits upon the Waters, which are Peoples, Nations, Multitudes, and Tongues; and these Tongues hath made you to be Orthodox men, which is called the Original; and witty men, which is called the pillars of your Church, which John calls Waters, and the Whore and the Beast is upon them. And Pilate set Hebrew, Greek, and Latin a-top of Christ, which crucified him; and there stands your Original which Babel is the beginner of; and again the man-child should be brought forth to rule the Nations with a rod of Iron; and Babylon should be confounded, and the judgement of the great Whore come, and the Beast, and the false prophet should be taken, and with him the Devil, the Dragon, the old deceiver, and cast alive into the Lake of fire; and the Lamb and the Saints shall have the victory, who shal kill with the sword, and slay with the sword, which are the Words of his mouth; but yet you do not red he killed creatures; and the everlasting Gospel shall be preached to all Nations, Kindreds, and Tongues that dwell upon the Earth, and Christ is risen which was before Babel was, who had the many languages set over him by Pilate, who is risen again, and brings into one language, who redeems from Kindreds, Tongues and Nations; for you went into the tongues on Earth, when you went from the Apostles; and all of you be like a Sea and Waters; but now shall they be dried up, & the Sea go back, and the people of God shall inhabit, and the Lamb and the Saints shall have the victory; I was dead, and am alive again, and lives for evermore, who throws down and ends Jews Temples, tithes, and Priests, who was before they was; who throws down Gentiles Temples, Images, tithes, Priests, and Idols; and throws down you that be apostatised from the Apostles, your Images, lying signs, Temples, tithes, and Priests, got up since the dayes of the Apostles; I will rise over you all, through you all, saith the Lord God; and the Seed of God is risen which was before you apostates, Jews and Gentiles, tithes and Priests was; and the seed of God is set above you all, & a-top of all your Heads, and come to the beginning before they was; and the Seed of God and Christ reigns, and the Church is come to that the Apostles was in, the pillar & ground of truth, & the apostles known which was made by the Will of God, not of man, nor by man; and the Church which is the pillar and ground of truth, and we are of the Church of the living God, and Heirs of the Kingdom of the World which hath no end, and the power of an endless life, and reigns with Christ for ever and ever.  
And the Wo is to you who hath preached another Doctrine and Gospel then the Apostles, for they brought peace, and men out of prison, and out of the fire, and Images and idols, and from Temple, tithes, and Priests, and strife, and killing one another, and you bring people all into this; so a neither Doctrine, cursed then the Apostles.  
But with the power of the Lord God which the Apostles was in, which you are all gone from, you are all comprehended,  
And the life and power of God over you all reigns, and he is come that will judge the World in righteousness, and that is risen which shall thrash you to dust and powder, and the arm of the Lord is turned against you.  
From the Authority of the Church in England, the pillar and ground of truth, whom Christ is the head.   

This was written in answer to a Dispute that was held forth by one of the Popes Ministers.  
Friend and Friends,  
IS not the human Authority from the ground? And was this the authority of the Church of Christ? I say, Nay, it was not; for the authority of the Church of Christ was from above, and so not human from the ground: And was there any blood  shed, as killing of them as you call heretics, but the Jesuits and Priests had a hand in it to inform the Magistrates against them? And are not the Jesuits and Priests then, the occasion of shedding of blood? and have they not a hand in it? And whereas you say, Your Church hath no hand of shedding of the blood of those you call heretics, and yet your Magistrates are of your Church, and Members of it, and Christians.  
Now a Member is a hand, or a foot; an eye, or a head; so your Church that sheds blood, and the Jesuits and Priests are them that do inform of those you call heretics or Blasphemers, if you will speak plainly without deceit; and so it is your Church that sheds blood in conclusion, which was not the Church in the dayes of the Apostles; and then doth not your Pope give pardon to those that kills heretics, and such as you canonised Saints? And here you are turned from the Spirit of the Saints, and the Spirit of the true Church, and are not of the Spirit of Christ, who came to save mens lives, and rebuked that zeal in them that would have had sire come down from Heaven to burn them. So there you are contrary to the spirit of Christ, and your zeal is rebuked. And again the Apostle says, We wrestle not with flesh and blood,( did not wrestle with flesh and blood) but with spiritual wickednesses in high places; and he did not inform against any heretics, schismatics, or Blasphemers, to the Judges to put them to death, as you Papists have done.  
And again, whereas you say, You put them to death as Disturbers of the Common-wealth peace, not for heretics.  
That is false, the whole World may judge you for that. Now that which disturbs the Common-Wealth & its peace, is strikers and fighters; for the Law is to keep peace: For Manslayers, and Murderers, and injurious persons, and abusers of themselves with mankind, and this the Apostle spoken of to the doters which did not know what they spoken of, or affirmed; but we never red, nor the Apostles never did cause any to be put to death, though they were Blasphemers, or heretics, or Disturbers of the peace of the Church; so there you are degenerated & gone from the spirit of the Apostles, gone into the spirit of the World; for the Law is to keep down sighters and strikers, but the Gospel is the end of the Law; who comes to the Gospel of Christ, comes to the end of the Law; so they that would not hear the Priest, but spoken presumptuously, was to be delivered to the Judge, and to the Law, and was to die; but when Christ came, the end of that Law, and that Priesthood, Blasphemers and presumptuous ones would not hear him, yet the Law was standing of the Jews, which Christ did not break it, yet he turned them not to it, to put them to death; nor the Apostles them that spoken presumptuously, and would not hear them; so they did not turn them to the Judge, and informth. Judge and Magistrate to put them to death as disturber of the Church; nor put them to the Jews, nor put them to the Gentiles, nor put them to death amongst themselves, with the authority of their own Church; there is no such Law nor Example amongst them. So now your Church is degenerated from that Church and Laws for there was many apostates and heretics amongst the Apostles, that went from them yet there was no information from them to put them to death ●ow your Church will put to death them that be the members of it, and you that be Ministers, ●●at inform against them that be to be put to death 〈…〉 your Church, for 〈…〉 members, and you the inform●● of 〈…〉, as heretics and Blasphemers. So you are apostatised from the Spirit of Christ, for you destroy mens lives, and Christ bids save them; so he is not your example, so your Church is whored from the true Church, and an antichrist.  
Now whereas you say, & thou says, That Antichrist & the man of sin, is but one man, so not the Pope, because there are many Popes.  
Now in this thou deludes the people, and art erred, and contrary to Iohns Doctrine; who saith there are many Antichrists; mark, Many Antichrists are gone into the world; so that if the man of sin be but one, he bursts into many, who now is revealed, and must be discovered in you, which hath been up since the dayes of the Apostles, coming in before they deceased, but now discovered by the Spirit of Truth, and of God, that the Apostles was in, to be ruling and reigning in you; so you are degenerated. Now Peter saw you coming up, and Iude, and John; for Peter tells us, they went in Cains way; and judas and John said, Love not as Cain; but your love and sacrifices hath been from Cains nature, who slays your Brethren, and kills your Brethren, which never did the Apostles; and so there is the Cains mark found amongst you; so there's your spirit now tried.  
Again, you are gone from the Apostles light, who lets the Saints see you in Cains way, how they degenerated and apopostatized; now if you put it off with a shift, and say you Priests and Jesuits do not slay and take away mens lives, and yet you say they are the members of your Church, the Magistrates now that's your shift, and through that shift you have confounded yourselves; for the members of the Church of Christ never did put any to death though they were never such heretics, or Blasphemers, or Apostates from them before their decease; and there your members have erred from the Church of Christ, and are of the members of Cain, and not of Christ, and so no true Church.  
And then again you say, That your practise and Doctrine of the Church of Rome, is not degenerated from the true Church of Christ that the Apostles were in; & can show no Scripture for it, your Images, your Beads, your Pictures, your Inquisitions, your burnings, your racking of Saints, not from the Apostles, nor for your Nunneries; but brings a Scripture that the Saints was to hold fast their traditions: Now the traditions which they had been taught, the Apostle instances in the Corinthians, and in the Epistles, what they are; those things they had received from God; but now yours are the traditions of men, that are taught for Doctrine; and the Apostle bids them they should not presume above what was written; It is not written they have set up an outward cross or Image of Mary, or Christ, or an outward cross of Wood or ston, and make Inquisitions, and that they put men to death for blasphemy; & it is not written they made Crucifixes, and set up tithes, and Earthen Altars, or Wood, or ston; now you that hold up such things, and pleads for such things, and cannot show from the Apostles Doctrine that they set up such things, where it is written, you are the presumptuous and the usurped authority, who presume above what is written: So any Heathen will follow traditions, invent traditions, and teach them for Doctrines, and then may bring the Apostles Words, and say they must hold fast the traditions; therefore it must be, that the traditions of the Apostles was given to the Church of what was written; now it is not your traditions, or the Heathens traditions, what they invent; and to bring the Apostles Words, you are too short there; but the Apostles traditions, those are owned, what is written; but yours are not written, nor have not example from Scripture, and so have erred from the Spirit.  
And then again you say, and thou saith, That we are not skilled in the philosophy, nor are not wise in the philosophy; and thou brings much philosophy to make good thy arguments.  
And here again thou, and you, are erred, and apostatised, and degenerated from the true Apostles Doctrine and practices, for he said, Beware of Philosophy, and forbids it; so thou, and your Church have erred from the true Apostles, and are contrary to their spirit, for saith he, Beware of philosophy, for they lie in wait to deceive, and set up the traditions of men.  
And then again, whereas thou saith, We know nothing but by tradition.  
And that is false, which shows thou art not able to judge aright, nor of our mind; for nothing that we have received, have been from men, nor from traditions, who are come into the power the Apostles were in, that was before you were that are apostatised; alack for you, whereas you say you do not slay men for Religion, and they are not the Church.  
And then again thou saist, They are members of the Church, and they are the Secular Power.  
Now is not a member of the Church, spiritual? and doth he act out of the power of Christ, being a member of the body? Doth not the body and the hand act both from one power? So did ever the members of Christ, that were members of his body, that came to save mens lives, destroy mens lives, as you do, who have killed and slain many hundreds since the dayes of the Apostles, for Religion, and for not owning your Bread and Wine, nor your Altars, Images, nor Crosses? so you are apostatised and erred from the body of Christ, enviers of your brethren, man-slayers, which the Apostle speaks of, which hath not eternal life abiding in them; and then( as the Apostle said) they should hold fast the traditions, & that it was written what tradition, he set down many traditions; and again the Apostle saith, Little children, keep yourselves from Idols; and that is written, it is written so; this is the counsel of the true Church, and the true Church is to be heard, and they that will not hear it, are Heathen; and you have set up Idols, set up Images, Pictures, and Crosses, so apostatised and degenerated from the true Church, from the true Ministry; for your Ministers cries them up, Images, Crucifixes, Pictures, Beads, praying before Pictures, Crosses, and Beads, that's your Ministers that cries up such things, which is not written among the Apostles; the true Ministers says, Keep yourselves from Idols, little children; so you are apostatised from the true Ministers, 1 joh. 5. So here you are apostatised from the spirit, and to be in the spirit the Apostle speaks of, the man of sin, and the many Antichrists, and the Beast, and the false prophets spoken of in the Revelations, with the lying signs and wonders, and lying miracles which the world have gone after, come up since the dayes of the Apostles, which the Apostles said should come, and who hath set up the lying signs and wonders since the days of the Apostles; but( mark) the Apostle said, Keep fast the traditions, who saw these lying signs and wonders come up, which the man of sin in( the Revelations) sets them up by their power and authority: Now if you be not this Beast, and this Man of sin entred into your hearts, and these many Antichrists, with your lying signs and wonders, got up since the dayes of the apostles, which he prophesied of, declare who they be, and let us see what be these lying signs and wonders, and who set them up, and let us see what shift you have to clear yourselves; Now I do not put this [ If] as for myself, as not knowing you are them, but that you are them; and now truth is come to reckon with you.  
And then again, for saying the bread and wine after it is consecrated, is the body and blood of Christ,( the very body and blood) & after confounds thyself in it, and saith, it was but as the soul was in man, and the outward might perish, and was but as a garment put on a Kings back; and the other unconsecrated put on a Beggars back, and both might perish and was the body of Christ. Now this is like thy logic, this is a confused torn piece of stuff; the body of Christ saw no corruption,( on whose back soever thou canst hang him) but bread and wine will see corruption; so with that thou comes poorly off, and pitifully art put to thy shifts, who compares it to a garment consecrated and unconsecrated, which both may perish, and it is the body of Christ; So if you dare not venture to try it openly, and let some jesuits and Cardinals of the Pope sand out of every one of his dominions into any place convenient, that the thing we may be openly and publicly tried, Whether or no it will perish like the other bread, or prove divine like the body of Christ that saw no corruption: If they dare come to the trial openly,( to the Light) or aclowledge yourselves workers of darkness, and have done the Devils work all this while, and dare not try it; and Christ had a body after they had eaten that bread as in remembrance of him; and Christ did not eat his own body, did he eat his own body? and the Apostles and he eat bread with the Disciples; and what, did he eat his own body when he bid the Apostles do it in remembrance of him till he was come? And the Apostle bids them, As oft as they eat that bread, and drink that cup, do it in remembrance, to show forth the Lords death till he come; signifying he was not come; and doth he not come in his body? and that is a bewitching people, and a deceiving people, to tell them it was his body; for if it was his body, it was his body before; and the Apostle said, What he had received of the Lord, he had delivered to the Saints; and that as oft as they eat that, and drunk that, they were to show forth the Lords death until he come; they was to examine themselves, and so they was to eat.  
And again, there is another Epistle he bids them examine themselves, and try themselves, and prove their own selves, and except they were reprobates, Christ was in them; and so Christ in them, that they needed not any thing to put them in remembrance of him; for that was but a memory of him, and a showing till he come; and so that cannot properly be said to be him; and a showing until he come, that was to be done in remembrance of him; now if that be Christ after consecration, he is come; if that be his body and blood, he is come; if that be Christ, he is come; for that was but the remembrance, and you cannot then take that for a memory, and show till he come; and so that you can carry in your pockets, and cubbards, and deserts, and say Christ is there; mark, there's false Christ, there's Antichrists, and so degenerated, which hath deceived the people, and if it were possible would deceive the Elect, but it is not possible, for the Elect comprehends you; and Christ is come, and reigns in his Kingdom that hath no end; and we need noe Bread and Wine to put us in remembrance of him.  
Then again, your Church consecrates often, and makes many bodies, and when one is dead, you make another, which Christs body is but one; and the Apostle tells the true Church, That the power of God was the across of Christ, that was the true Ministry; and you Ministers tell the people( which is your church) of a wooden cross, a cross of ston, and so apostatised from the true Ministers, who have lost the power of God, and true cross of Christ; therefore now he that sets up, or  told them of keeping fast traditions, he  told them what the cross of Christ was, the power of God, and did not set up an earthly Altar and cross of Wood and ston; so you have erred from the Apostles.  
And again, thou, and you say the Scripture was the Word: Alack for you, you are ignorant of the Scriptures, of the true Ministers words; for the Ministers of God say they are Words; God spake all these words, saith Moses; and Christ saith, My Words; and Christ was the Word that was before words was spoken forth, who came to fulfil the words, and in him they end; The blood of Christ cleanseth from all sin; and he that eats the flesh of Christ, hungers no more: Now you are hungering, and hungering still after your outward bread, nor are you cleansed from all sin; doth the Wine cleanse you from all sin, who are murdering and killing one another about Religion, like Cain, about outward things? your Bread and Wine it is outward things you are killing one another about; it is not because they will not worship God, but because they will not worship your outward things, and own your outward things in the apostasy from the Apostles; and do you look like people cleansed from your sins, who are so full of pride and filth, and plaiting of the hair, and gold, and costly attire, and spots with black? Are you like the holy Women, like Sarah, you that have apostatised from the Apostles Doctrine? But the effects of the blood of Christ is not at all here seen among you, but you are in Cains way, murderers, which have trampled the blood of the new Covenant under-foot, that hath not the life of God abiding in you, and Jezabel-like in your fasts.  
And again, thou art a swearer, and you are swearers; which Christ and the Apostles said, Swear not at all, neither by Heaven, nor by Earth, nor by any other eath, lest you fall into condemnation; but let your yea, be yea; and your nay, nay; for what is more, is evil. So here again you are apostatised from Christ and the true Church, swearers, fall under the condemnation, who are swearing by Mary, and mass; now if thou shouldst allege that the Angel swore, or the Prophets, Moses, Abraham, or David; Christ is the end of the Prophets, and before Abraham was, and the end of Moses; and the Apostle saith, Swear not at all; men in strife they swear, that is out of covenant with God, and not in peace; and so the Son of God saith, Swear not at all; who is the end of strife, and brings people into peace with God, who is the Covenant of peace between God and man, who comprehends time before time was, and ended, whereby all things becomes new; and his Doctrine is, Swear not at all; and this is my beloved Son, hear ye him; and he that hears him not, is to be cut off from the Church.  
And again, you have by tradition that which you have from the Apostles; the Jews what they had, was by tradition, but those stood against the thing itself, Christ Jesus, & killed him, the Prophets & Apostles; Christ said, they were of their father the Devil, murderers; and so you now, that have by tradition the Saints Words, you kill, and have killed and burned, and wrestled with flesh and blood, and destroyed in your Inquisitions; and so this shows that you do not know Christ, but are the murderers, who have gotten the prophets, Christ, and the Apostles Words by tradition, and sets up your own traditions and inventions, and teacheth them for Doctrine; for it is plain by your practise, you are degenerated and apostatised from the Apostles, and erred from their spirit; and so the thing you have stood against, and the life you have wanted, Christ, who said he should save mens lives, you have been destroying of them, that have but the traditions, so have wanted him that should save mens lives, so have been the vagabonds from the Apostles, though you have had large Habitations in the Earth, Cain-like, only what you have had, hath been by tradition, and by fire and sword, that hath been your great Weapons to make people turn to you, to convert them, and such are carnal, which the Apostle did not war withall, nor wrestle with flesh and blood; so there you degenerate from their spirit, and with it, is judged; and we are the true Ministers which are come in to the Apostles spirit, which doth fathom you all.  
And this is from the authority of the true Church, the Elect Seed; who are in scorn called Quakers.   

The traditions that the Apostle saith the Saints was to hold fast, which he had delivered unto them, and the traditions of men, and their fathers, with the Pharisees observing, and teaching them for Doctrine, and neglecting the Commands of Christ; each in their place, as followeth.  
MAtthew the 15. the Scribes and Pharisees which were of Jerusalem, came to Jesus, and said, Why do thy Disciples transgress the tradition of the Elders, for they wash not their hands when they eat; mark, here the Disciples of Christ transgressed the Elders traditions; and that was a tradition to wash their hands before they did eat, and arise: He answers them, Then why do you transgress the command of God by your tradition?  
Mark 7. And here you may see the Pharisees and Scribes lived in the traditions of their fathers, and so looked at them more then the commands of God, which they neglected; for God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother, and he that nurseth father or mother, let him die the death; But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, What gift soever should have come on me, the same is turned to the Prophet, and so shall he not honor his father, nor his mother? and thus have ye made the commands of God of none effect because of your tradition. And when the Pharisees came from the Market, except they wash, they eat not; and this was a tradition; and many other things which they have received to hold, as washing of cups and pots, and brass, and vessels, and of Tables; these were the traditions of the Elders which the Disciples broke, therefore was the Pharisees angry with them; and such their hearts was afar off of God, for they was in the traditions, Though with the lips they called on him, in vain did they worship God, teaching for Doctrine the commands of men, and laying aside the commands of God; and so Christ rebuked them when they were reasoning with him concerning his Disciples, why they did not walk according to the traditions of the Elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands; and he said unto them, Fulwel ye reject the commands of God, that ye may keep your own traditions; for ye lay aside that, and ye hold traditions of men, as washing of pots and cups, and other such like things, as you do; and you may see more of the traditions in the same Chapter. And the Apostle saith, Coll. 2.8. the Apostle, the Minister of God and Christ, Beware, dost any man spoil you through Philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, not after Christ; therefore mark that which is after Christ; for Christ is not of the World; and he judged the Pharisees for their traditions and neglecting the Commands of God, 2 Thess. 2. here is the traditions the Apostle speaks of, that brethren had been taught by word, and by Epistle; Now we command you brethren, in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly, & not after the traditions which ye have received of us. Now mark, we shall see what these traditions were, &c. that these Thessalonians had received of the Apostle in word or Epistle; the Apostle saith, first, For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us, for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you, neither did we eat any mans bread for nought, but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable unto any of you; not because we have not the power, but to make ourselves examples unto you to follow us; for even when we were with you, this we commanded you,[ mark, this was by word of mouth, when he was with them, this was not written] when we were with you, we commanded you, If any would not work, he should not eat; for we hear that there is some that walk among you disorderly, which work not at all, but are busy-bodies; Now them that are such, we command and exhort in our Lord Jesus. Christ, that with qutetness they work and eat their own bread. Now mark, here is the traditions that the brethren is to hold, that the Apostle had taught them by word of mouth, and by Epistle. Here again, And if any brother walk disorderly, nor after the traditions received of us, he is to be noted, and withdrawn from, for such are destroyers of the creatures, and of the Creation, and Wasters, and are busy-bodies, which are begetters and drawers of people from the life, and liars on others for an end; such be in the disorderly part, out of the power of God, and are to be udged; and if any man obey not our word in this Epistle, note that man, and have not company with him, that he may be ashamed; yet account him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. Now mark, These brethren that hold not the traditions the Apostle had taught by word when he was with them, and by Epistle, such walked disorderly, and was to be noted and drawn from; and here is the traditions mentioned in 2 Thess. 2, 3. chap. throughout; and the Apostle said, he had been zealous of the traditions of the fathers; this was before he was converted; but when he was converted, he saith, Not of men, nor by men,[ then] but by revelation of Jesus Christ, Gal. 1.1. Pet. the first, Forasmuch as we are not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from our vain conversations, received by the traditions of your fathers, but by the blood of Christ: So who comes to witness the blood of Jesus, he lives over all, he sees over the nature that lives in traditions. And so hath not your traditions been to redeem one another by silver, and by pardons, and to give Bulls, which ye call them? And is not this corruptible redemption, and a tradition, which the Apostle judges so? Is not your tradition here judged? your corruptible redemption, and pardon for money, and buying and selling pardons, is not this corruptible redemption? and your traditions, which are forbidden by the Apostle Peter? Well, the Apostle speaks of Ordinances or Traditions, and he mentions them; Be ye followers of me, remember me in all things; keep the Ordinances or Traditions I have delivered unto you; Mark, he tells you what the Traditions be, as followeth; I would have you to know, the Head of every man is Christ, and the Head of every woman is the man, the Head of Christ is God: Every man praying or prophesying having his head covered, dishonours his head; but every woman that prayeth or prophesyeth with her head uncovered, dishonours her head: If a woman be not covered, let her also be shorne, &c. For a man ought not indeed to cover his head, forasmuch he is the Image and glory of God, but the woman is the glory of the man; but the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man; neither was the man created for the woman, but the woman for the man; for this cause ought the woman to have power over her head, because of the Angels; nevertheless, neither is the woman without the man, nor the man without the woman in the Lord. And so he goes on in this Chapter, where all may see the Traditions, or Ordinances, &c. and how he mentioned the Traditions; in this Chapter 1 Cor. 11. he speaks of the Cup, and he speaks of the Bread, and he speaks of those things, and thing that was to be done in remembrance of Christ; and here is the Tradition the Apostle mentioneth to them, and tells them what they are; and he tells them of baptism in the same Corinthians, the Water which might decrease; For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you: Now mark, this was delivered unto them Corinthians, he tells them in that Epistle, and that Epistle speaks of the things, in that 2 Cor. 4. chap. he brings them off of the things that are; and so here he shows the Tradition by Word, and here again by Epistle; and you red that the Apostle had been with the Corinthians, and spoken to them, in chap. 2. of the first Epistle; and St. John saith, Keep your elves from Idols,( in his general Epistle) little children: So St. John was of that Church, and he was a Minister of it, and in it. And so you that run into Idols, and Images, and Pictures, and Crosses, are run into Idols, and set them up by your own traditions, and make the Commands of the Apostle of none effect, who says, Keep yourselves from Idols, which is the command of God. So your Church and Traditions is contrary to the Apostles, as you may red in the Scriptures before mentioned, and see the Traditions of the Elders, and your fore-fathers, the Pharisees; and see the Traditions of the Apostle, how he names them; and see the Traditions of the Apostles you have apostatised from, who are run into Idols and Images, your own Traditions, not mentioned in the Scripture, as all may red these Scriptures before mentioned, spoken of in this Letter, and see whether it speaks to any Traditions of yours, as ye set up, as your Beads, as your Images, as your Houses and Nunneries, as for your Pictures and your Inquisitions.  
And here you may see now the Pharisees Traditions, your Traditions, and the Popes Traditions, one distinct from the other, as you may red before mentioned.  
Them that are learned of God, are loved of him; but the Papists Pope hath not learned of the good Samaritan; & God hath spread dung upon all your faces, and covered you with it, and marred your glory.  
And Christ destroyed them that went out of the truth, and also the ground of all presumption and blasphemy. The Beast smokes, and the Whore, and she is in the fire, and her smoke ascends upwards.  
And whose Servant hath the Pope been, who hath ridden upon the Righteous, who hath preserved the Wicked, who tollerates murdering the Lambs of God, and Sheep, as here it is manifest? and he will give him a Bull that doth it, and he shall be one of his canonised Saints, which is the work of the Devil; did Peter did so?  
So natural men, which cannot receive nor discern the things of God; all that mary among you be not spiritual, your married men are not.  
And after the Pope and Jesuits hath given you a pardon for your sins, is there not something that doth convince you?  
The Ministers of Christ saith, Repent and be baptized, confessing your sins; and the Popish Priests say, Be baptized, and you must have your body of sin and imperfection whiles you be upon the Earth. And the Ministers of Christ, He that will not work, must not eat. And the Papist Ministers say, We will have money, wages, meat of them that never hired us, nor set us at work, yet we will have meat of them, and wages, or we will have them into Courts and Prisons till death. And the Ministers of Christ saith, We covet no mans silver, gold, or apparel, but labour with our own hands night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any one, that we might keep the Gospel without charge. The Popes Ministers saith, We care not, wee'l have Gold and Silver, Goods and Apparel; of men are we, and we will have men and women into our Courts and Prisons; and what care we? We have a Law which will give it us. And the Ministers of Christ saith, It is not the wearing of Gold or costly Apparel. O but,( saith the Papish Priests) we will have our Gold Rings, and our costly Apparel; our Points, and our double Cuffs, and double Boot-hose-tops, and the great Skarf to the tops of our Hats, it is but civil, and the Apostle doth not mean as he doth speak. The Ministers of Christ, and Christ saith, Swear not at all; he that swears, is in the evil, and condemned. The Popes Ministers saith, They must swear,( and their hearers) or else fine them, and imprison them, and makes a puff at condemnation.   

A Challenge to all the Papists and Protestants.  
I Challenge all the Papists, Jesuits, Pope and Cardinals, and all you Protestants that professeth against Popery, to show me out of Scripture where ever the Apostles or any true Christians, killed one another for Religion? or where Christ gave any such command to them that they should do so? then will I be of their Religion: And was there not such as departed from the Apostles, that had been amongst them, that did run into Schism, heresy, and Error, in Corah, Cain, and Balaams way, and run into Sects and Factions, and seducing of others? whether or no ever did, or did ever the Apostles kill those, or command them to be killed and put to death, and delivered them up to Judges, to put them to death? Or had they Magistrates to executed Laws upon them? Did the Apostles make Laws, or made by the authority of the Church to put them to death? Or doth not the Church stand in Christ the end of the Law? And was there not some in the dayes of the Apostles, that was amongst them and the Saints, the true Christians, that had the form, and proved to be the false Apostles, and Satans Ministers, and Messengers of unrighteousness? Now did the Apostles, or the true Christians, and true Church, had they a Law, and did they give an Order forth that those should be put to death, and that the creatures should be killed in whom the Devil had transformed himself, to kill those creatures? And did not the Apostles go amongst such that worshipped Idols, stocks and Stones, Sun and Moon? Did the Apostles kill, hang, draw, and quarter such as would not deny that authority that had set up their Images? Did they kill the creatures that would not deny worshipping Stocks and Stones Sun and Moon, as you do now? ye poor apostate Papists, from the Apostles, poor blind creatures, that falls down before Images, Stocks and Stones, and wooden Crosses: cannot you( if your Ministers were made by the will of Christ) let them go forth, and bring them off Idols, Images, wooden Crosses, and ston, and the calling upon the Names of the Saints, to bring them to call upon Christ, as the true Ministers and Apostles of Christ which went amongst the Jews, chief priests, and pharisees, and confounded them, and brought them off the types and figures, to Christ the substance; and they went among the Gentiles, and to them that had set up their Images, Priest, and Idols Temples, and worshipped Images, Sun and Moon and confounded them, and brought them off their Images, Stocks and Stones, from worshipping of them, to worship God; and into the Covenant of Light which God had promised to the Gentiles; Did not the Apostles bring them into that, and did not kill their bodies? and likewise the Jews, the new Covenant to them, the Law in the heart, and in their minds: If that after any of these Jews or Gentiles that had been convinced by the Apostles Doctrine, and turned from them that was of the Jews, or they that was of the Gentiles, turned from them again to the Gentiles, then where did the Apostles give forth a Law, or a Decree that those should be killed? And now ye Papists that say ye are Christians, such as departed from you, that have been of your Religion, you turn again, and kill as heretics, by Fire or Inquisition, or otherways; Did the Apostles do so to them that went from them, whom they truly judged to be heretics? and if the Protestants come among you, them you kill with Fire and faggot, Inquisitions and Racks; and which of you now in these things bear the Image of the Apostles, and follows Christ the Captain of salvation, who saves mens lives.  
And now you Protestants, if any of the Jesuits or Priests come amongst you, you hang, draw, & quarter them, which they say, they was your Mother; Did ever the Apostles do so to any that came to them to oppose them, that had been of their Church, or otherwise? Or did ever the Apostles or Saints do so? Was not they able Ministers of the Spirit, and not of the Letter? with which Spirit they were able to encounter with the whole world. Now let the serious search go through you concerning these things.  
The End.