Something in ANSWER To a BOOK called, Fiat LUX, BEING A Discourse between a Papist and a Protestant, etc. who writes at the bottom of the Title Page, J.U.C. ALSO Something in Answer to the Papists QUERIES. London, Printed in the Year, 1667. Something in Answer to a BOOK CALLED FIAT LUX. HE speaks in his 20th. Page, Of waging of War, Battle, and Contention, like Boys, and Dogs in the Streets, who tear and devour one another; such as are jumped up together, unheard of, etc. Answ. Hath not this been your condition, who have started up after the Apostles? Or, were ever the Papists heard of, with all your Body of Inventions in the Apostles days, that be like Boys and Dogs, fight and tearing to pieces others that will not conform, to your trifling Traditions, and empty Ceremonies? Yea and with such as follow the Apostles Doctrine, and do not presume above what is written, according to the Apostles Doctrine, and because such cannot submit to your Rudiments, which you have presumptuously set up, Have you not burnt many to ashes? which is far worse than Boys and Dogs, etc. And whereas thou queriest in Page 29. Whether the Word of God came to you Quakers? etc. Or, Came it to you only? etc. Answ. The Word of God came unto us before we preached it, which is the same which was among the Apostles, and is the same which was yesterday, to day, and for ever. But you Papists and Protestants, and others, are gone from this never changeable Word, as is manifest by your trifling Traditions, who hold them up by carnal Weapons, contrary to the Apostles and the Quakers, which are spiritual. And whereas thou queriest, Whether the Gospel came to the Pope and Papists first? We answer, No. For the Gospel of Christ (which is the Power of God) was preached to Abraham: but the fruits of you Papists and others, have denied yourselves to be in this Gospel (to wit, the Power of God which brings Life and Immortality to Light) by your dark Inventions and Traditions, Persecutions and Oppressions, which is not, nor was not, the Gospel-Practice; as, look among the Apostles writings in the Primitive Church, and see how far you are degenerated from them. And thou sayest, That the Spirit, the Word, the Lord, the Light, and such like, are Motives of a new Fancy. Answ. To the Papists, and others like unto them, that be out of the Spirit, Light, Word, and the Lord, and have cast him and the Apostles behind their backs, and followed their own Inventions, and have persecuted one another for not observing them (who are in your fancies) the Spirit, Light, Word, and the Lord, are new fancies to you (but to us they are substance) who set up and tolerate your lies by your Laws, and prefer them before the Lord, his Spirit, Word, Light and Truth, which were, and are the Guide of the Righteous to this day; amongst whom, your Inventions were never heard off before your day, which all are to beware of. And, Them that be Heretics, thou sayest, are to be checked twice or thrice, and then to be avoided. To which we Answer, This hath not been the Papists practice to them that you suspect to be Heretics, that join not to your Popish ways, for you Burn and Persecute them to Death; but if you had left them after you had admonished them, ye had done something according to Scripture: but on the contrary, you show thereby, that you have no Love to Enemies, no Sun to shine upon the Unjust, not having the mind of Christ nor of his Apostles, nor no Sons of God, but of the Pharisees brood. And whereas thou speakest of the Church Interpreting Scriptures. How can the Papist Church Interpret Scriptures, when the Jesuits have said to our faces, that they have not the same spirit that the Prophets and Apostles had. And seeing Christ saith, The Spirit of Truth shall lead you into all Truth; and the Apostle saith, That no man knoweth the things of God but the Spirit of God. And John saith, in the Revelationss to the Churches, Hear what the Spirit saith. There fore the Papist Church not having the same Spirit, they cannot interpret Scriptures & so they are judged out of their own mouths. And the Spirit of God doth lead to hate the works of the Devil, who was a liar from the beginning, and all his Children do his will; and who have done his will more than the Papists? yea, worse than the Pharisees; for they never invented so many Racks and Tortures as ye have done, and burnt so many to ashes since Boneface the third, the Universal Pope, set up by Phocus the Emperor. And so ye that scoff at the Light, etc. not having the same Spirit and Power as the Apostles had, you'll Rack, and Torture and Imprison, and Burn to ashes your Friends; for, how can ye discern them, not having the same Spirit the Apostles had? We think you Papists, Protestants, Presbyterians, Independants and Baptists might agree, for they confess the same that you do, viz. That they have not the same Spirit the Apostles had; then ye have another, for there is but two Spirits; and it's much ye should make such a noise one against another, and cannot agree. But your Inventions are old and theirs are new, and both things in Gain to you, which maintains your Lusts, and that raiseth your war one against another, which they that are in the Spirit the Apostles were in, see over you all; and they that be in the Spirit, have both Visions and Prophecies, and by it hath Miracles been wrought, which some of your Generation hath said, as the Pharisees did to Christ, That they were wrought by the power of the Devil. And whereas thou sayest, Page 51. The Roman Catholics brought the news of Christ and Christianity into the Land first. Answ. We say No. Christ and Christianity was brought into this Land of England, by Joseph of Arimathea, and twelve Disciples sent by Philip the Apostle above 70 years after Christ, which was many hundred years before there was any Universal Pope, and many years before any Mass was set up. And whereas thou speakest in Page 53, of such as say of Christ, Lo he's here, Lo he's there. We Answer, This is just your own condition; for do you not make a Christ of Bread, which you call your God, and lift him up, and when you have eaten up one, you make another, lift him up, and carry him about streets, crying, The Host, and call it the Sacrament of the Altar; and when you have eaten him up also, do you not make another, and cry, Lo here, lo there is Christ? But the Quakers when they have received Christ, preach him (as the Apostles did) when the Son of God is revealed in them, etc. And Jobs words, now adays, are not so easy to answer as thou thinkest; for why have not you Papists answered all the Quakers Queries that have been put to you? Thou mayest say, We want Queen Mary, and Bishop Bonner, who answered by Fire and Faggot (to the destruction of the Righteous) for that hath been your way of answering; but this hath never been the work of the Church of Christ, nor of godly Rulers, as thou speakest of. And whereas thou sayest, in Page 93. The Holy Church hath always, in all Ages, forbidden her Children to Dispute the Principles of Religion in the sense they had received them. Answ. This is the Papists Church (not the Holy Church) and its Principles, and it is false, as to the Holy Church; they were to be ready to give an account to every man of the Hope that is in them, with meekness and fear; which Hope is Christ. And the Apostle declared plainly when brought before the Magistrates, how Christ appeared to him, and how he was sent to Preach. And the true Church was to contend for the Faith which was delivered to the Saints; and they were to speak in the same sense of Faith which they had received. For the Apostles said, They were to warn every man, that they might present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. And so it's plain that the Apostles and the Prophets spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost, in the sense of what they received. And whereas thou sayest, That all Christians are to acknowledge a new Pope, etc. To which we Answer, No. The Christians that now are, as also in the Primitive times, are Brethren; and it is not among them as it was amongst the Apostates, which are as the Gentiles, who exercise Lordship one over another; and those that do so, are by you and them called Gracious Lords. But Christ saith, It shall not be so amongst you, meaning his Disciples, for ye are Brethren; and ye have but one Master even Christ. And as the Apostle saith, In the world there are many Lords, but to us there is but one, even the Lord Jesus Christ, who is Head of the Church: Yea, Head of that Church which the Saints upon the Earth then, and which we now, are Members of, who is our Head, the same to day, yesterday, and for ever; though he is not so to the Papists. And whereas thou speakest, That by reason of the great obscurity of things, we are led into so many differences. Answ. What is the reason indeed you with others are so dark and obscure, that you are not in the same Spirit and Power that the Apostles were in, and being out of it you go into so many Sects and Divisions. And whereas thou speakest, Of learning the Foundation upon which Faith is built. To which we Answer, Your works, and others do testify, that you have forsaken both Foundation, good Conscience, and Faith that works by Love; for the Historical or dead Faith, works by hatred, and the foundation of that is the Adversary the Devil. And whereas thou speakest, In England, of some that pretend to a new Light. To which we Answer, That Christ is the Light, who is the new and living Way. It's indeed a new way to you who are apostatised from the Light which the Apostles were in, and the Life and Spirit, the fruits whereof are Love, etc. But ye have manifested another spirit and fruits: As remember the Burning in Smithfield, and Cruelties in other parts, as the Massacre in Ireland, and other parts of the world; your putting to death for your Religion, which the Apostles did not for their Religion; which Light of Christ was their Light, which is now sprung up in England, is become a new Light unto you, who are workers of Darkness. And whereas thou sayest, The Quakers words are jumbled together, so that every Line hath no sense in it: and thou resemblest them to the Turks Alcoran. To which we answer, To you the Prophets, Apostles, and Christ's words are not sense, for if they were, then what need you thrust all these words of small Letters, into the Books of the Old and New Testament, called the Itallick Letter; signifying, that they are no more sense to you than the Quakers Books, who make an addition to them. Therefore we do not strange at thy saying, That our Writings are nonsense; but we can say to you as Solomon saith, That our words are all plain to him that is of Understanding. And as for the Turkish Alcoran: Whose Writings are nearer unto them than the Papists are? Set all your old Images aside, which you have neither out of the Old Testament, nor of the New, but from your own dreaming conceit, that you speak of. And whereas thou speakest, Of the Presbyterian falling out with the Protestant, and calling him a Fanatic; the Catholic coming by and seeing them, doth hope that they may come to their Goods again, etc. A. You want power to set up your Fire and Faggots again, and you long after your Tithes, and great Monastries, and Gleab Land, etc. For if you had minded the good of People's souls, why would so many thousands of you have turned from your Religion, as your Priests and others in Queen Elizabeth's days did? And as for Fanatick-wrath, fury, rage and madness, who hath manifested this spirit since the Apostles days more than you, yea, upon such as have professed the Name of Christ? And while you and other Sects are falling out, Truth will arise over all your heads, as it was in England, and other parts, before the Pope and his Mass-Book, or you Papists were. And as for Catholic, your actions and fruits have declared and testified against you, to deny the Catholic Faith that works by Love, and the Catholic Gospel, and the Catholic Church with its Catholic Head. And the Quakers have to war in the Spirit of God with you, and also with all such as are in your dregs, and be out of the same Spirit that the Prophets and Apostles were in. And to the Querie in Page 188. We Answer, That neither Protestants nor you have lived in Unity these several hundred years; for you have laid more stumbling blocks to hinder the spreading of Christianity, than ever did Jezabel by Baal's Priests. And as for telling you of several hundred years, it was above 600 years after Christ before any Universal Bishop got up. And then the Turk got up after the Pope, and he got from him near as much as all Christendom: and then did not he lose Germany, England, Ireland, Scotland, Denmark, Sweden and the Low-Coutries, yea and Egypt, Jerusalem and other parts that way, and part of France, and yet will not the Pope tell us, that he is Head of the Church, and that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against him? And what strive were there in Italy and Spain, and other places, before you set up your Inquisitions, about the time of the Council of Trent. And as for your Vaity, let us tell you, if you have forgotten, Did the Waldenses ever join to you, after the Pope got up? Nay, did not they gall him more than all? and did not he send a Prince to destroy them, and did not the Lord turn him back again empty? Read the Council of Trent. And whether or no do the Churches of the Corinthians, Philippians and Thessalonians join to the Pope? or why hath the Pope made so many Orders to preserve the Unity by his Inquisitions? And whereas thou Queriest, How came the Bible into England, was it not brought up hither at the Lands Conversion by the Romans? Answ. We say again, That many Christians came over into England, and preached the Gospel many hundred years before any Universal Pope was; and dost thou think that there were no Books nor Epistles brought over before Boniface the Pope was? whose time was 600 years after Christ, when that Joseph of Arimathea with twelve more, as hath been said, came over within seventy years after Christ. And whereas thou marvellest, Of the many ways of Rebellion in England not reconciled, yet have not all this while appealed to the King as Supreme Head of the Church; and you have secretly murmured against Queen Elizabeth, and King James. Answ. We know it, and also against the King now (its like) you are murmuring as against King James, is sufficiently known to this day, and against Elizabeth too. Do you not remember what striving there was in many parts of the Nation; but what's this? you are troubled because the Pope is not Head. It seems the Gates of Hell hath prevailed against your Church; and if so, a Lie is found in your right hand, and you not to be the true Church, according to yonur own Doctrine; for proof whereof, you may look about you in Turkey, and Egypt, and Jerusalem, and all over Europe. And whereas thou sayest, The Pope easily managed the People's Consciences, and kept them in order and peaceableness; and thou sayest, the Reason is because of the multitude of People about him, and Priests, who shine like Stars. And thou sayest, The Popes for the most part are very good, yet it may happen that some of them are no better than they should be. Answ. Here the Clamourous Woman pluck's down her own house; for how often have you written, and told People that the Popes are Infallible, and could not err? And as for the Pope and his Priests shining like Stars and keeping the People in peace. Your own Council of Trent manifests that sufficiently, and also in other parts of the World you may read your Order. But the Pope would be in the Throne of God, and be Lord of the Consciences of People, and have power over men's Faith, contrary to the Apostles, who had not power over any man's Faith. And as for shining like Stars in the firmament; you have wandered up and down, till you have darkened the Air, as Judas speaks. But the Everlasting Gospel is again preached, which shineth over you all. And whereas thou sayest, That none of your Ecclesiastical benefits were given by Princes and People to maintain Wife and Children, but only for such as were single, and had consecrated themselves, etc. Answ. Is it not better to Marry then to be called Concubinary Priests, as you were called in the Council of Trent? And did not your Benefits maintain the Poor aswell as the Priests? And how long after Christ was it before Priests were forbidden to Marry? Nay, did not some of your own Popes allow Priests to Marry, and afterwards denied it again? Truly a man had need have a great deal of patience to read your Pope's Lives, and Laws, and Decrees, and Councils, they are so full of confusions and contradictions; though styled Unerring, and Infallible, they have wholly erred from the Apostles, and the Scriptures of Truth. And whereas you say, You kneel at your Communion, and you drew a compendious Common Prayer, and you keep up the Pulpits for Catholics who built them. Answ. Of these things you and others have made a Trade of, and in, though none of all these things you find among the Apostles. The Scripture saith, They sat when they received the Supper. And whereas thou comparest the Quakers to Ishmael, whose hand is against every man. Answ. This is your own condition, as your actions declare, though you can flatter secretly for your own advantage; have you not destroyed Protestants of all sorts to make them to bend to your Rudiments? But the Quakers have an Universal Love to all mankind, and are of the Faith of Abraham, that works by Love, and desire the everlasting good of all mankind, of the Turk and Pope too, as they are Men; if they should come to our Houses, and want Bread or Drink, we can freely give them some, but as for their Religion and ways we deny. And why dost thou contradict one of thy fellows say to us, the Infallibility of the real Presence; which said, The Consecrated would wear away as the Unconsecrated. And Page 196. thou sayest, Why doth not the Bishop of Canterbury Summon a Council to end the Differences about Religion? Answ. Here thou seemest to be a lover of Peace and Concord, but it is not the Bishop of Canterbury, but it is the Pope's Authority that thou wouldst have up, as in the former Page, where thou speakest of Benefits, and of Single Life, and of you Catholics too come to your right again (whilst others are fight) thou wouldst set them together to hasten the end: but the Serpent is seen in his hole and out of it. And whereas thou mentionest four Sects, (viz.) Independants, Presbyterians, Anabaptists and Quakers, of their disturbing the Peace; thou mightest have left out the Quakers, and taken the rest to yourselves, and been the head of them; for who hath disturbed the Peace of all Nations more than ye have done? Ye may truly take the right hand of Fellowship there. And whereas in Page 201. thou sayest, They are all Infallible, and will not be moved so much as to moderation. A. Thou mightest very well have kept in this, and have read the Council of Trent, of the Pope who said, He would fire all the world but he would make them obey him. And read in the Pageants of Popes, there thou mayest see, that your Popes (which you say cannot err) are more like Beasts than Men: And so your Immoderation and fallibility, and erring spirit hath manifested itself sufficiently in Europe. And we who are called Quakers, do seek the peace of all men, whose Weapons are Spiritual and not Carnal, like yours, who have degenerated from the Apostles. And whereas thou sayest, The Reformers cut off and slashed the Ancient Faith. Answ. Ye are out of that Faith that works by Love, which is the Ancient Faith, and out of the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles, and have slashed and cut those that be in it. For where doth he bid you run to Graves for Relics, and set up Images, and dress your Popes more like to Stage-players than Peter? for Peter and the Apostles had none of these Titles given unto them, as the Pope hath taken unto himself, but such things were forbidden by Christ, and he hath exalted himself above his brethren; but God is able to bring him down again, for he is of the Image part Iron, part Day, which I would have him to expound. What good doth your Confession do where there is not amendment? For what People under the Sun are more Envious, Proud, Drink, Swear, Curse, and many unclean Actions found in and amongst, as yours be? And whereas thou sayest, Page 232. The Confession, nor any beginning thereof cannot be found out. Answ. Therefore you go upon a foundation which had 〈◊〉 bottom; for in the beginning in the Primitive times, the Apostles did not set up any Confessors, therefore you are shut out of their Practice. And whereas thou speakest, Of inflicting penalties of Scourging or Death upon Delinquents, though they be never so sorry for their Offence. Answ. In this is much Ignorance; because that you and others have persecuted one another to Death, because you would not conform to one another's Religion; which shows you are like Nabuchadnezzar, and worse than the Jews, (in some respect) for did they Persecute any of the Heathen to death because they would not join to their Religion? Though in one respect you are like unto the Jews, who said, Come, let us kill the Heir, and the Inheritance shall be ours. And were not they called Murderers? And have not you crucified Christ afresh and put him to an open shame? As instance the Pope Eugenius, who caused the King of Poland to break his Oath and League with the Turk, upon which he lost a great part of Christendom; who seldom got any thing by fight or plotting with his Carnal weapon. But if the Papists had been true Christians, they would have loved one another, and have loved Enemies. But there is no mercy from you, although a man be never so sorry for his Offence, but Death and Scourging; but thy thoughts and mind are not the Lords, who desireth not the death of a sinner, but would have him repent and live. And therefore, What hast thou to do to take the Name of the Lord into thy mouth, and hatest to be reform? And as for the Apostle Paul's words which he spoke, as in the person of Christ, what is that to your practice, who speak in the spirit of Satan? as ye may look over your words and actions in Fox's Acts and Monuments, and the Council of Trent, and other Books, who shown another spirit and life than Christ and the Apostles: for Christ came to save men's lives, not to destroy them, as ye have done, who do not know what spirit ye are off. And whereas thou speakest, Of some places where the People are on their knees at Prayer all the week long: and our Churches are not so in England. Answ. Ye were not at your Prayers all the week long when ye had power in England, and were burning the Martyrs to ashes, up and down at Stakes. The Wolf is seen though he hath the Sheep's clothing on his back; thou canst not be hid, but the wise and prudent see and comprehend thee; and the prayers of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord. For hath it not been a Fist of wickedness that ye have lifted up these many hundred years? Doth not, and hath not your actions declared and spoken them abroad in the ears of sober People? Where is the House of Prayer thou speakest of? Is it the Temple at Jerusalem, which thou art wand'ring to? That's down, according to Christ's Prophecy. And the Apostles say, Our Bodies are the Temples of the holy Ghost; and in the Holy Ghost we are to pray. And is not that the Temple, set above all houses made with hands? and so the Apostle saith, we must pray in the Spirit, and so we must pray in the Temple; but this I doubt thou canst not read with thy Spectacles on. And whereas thou sayest, Ye have kept your Mass and Bible in an unknown Tongue, and yet you call yourselves Catholic. Answ. This is not Catholic from the Apostle, for he was against them that spoke in an unknown tongue, that was not to edification, and he reproves it; so ye are come under the reproof of the Apostle. And the Apostle sent Epistles to be read to the Churches in their age: and now you that have put the Bible in an unknown Tongue, and kept your people under teaching ever since Boniface the third, are not your People capable yet to have the Scriptures read to them in their own Tongue? This manifests your Popish Teachers bad, and your People's ignorance, and your own deceit and fear of yourselves, if the people should have them in their own Tongue, they would see you. And whereas you make a distinction of Lay people and Spiritual, and yet all Believers; if they were so indeed, they would be all born of God. And the Apostles in the Primitive time made no such distinction as Lay people and Spiritual among Believers, etc. as ye do. But ye have been in the dark, and your works are all in the dark, and so ye keep the Scripture from the people in their own Tongue, whereby they might come to know the Truth. And the holy Scriptures are a better Book than any ye can make, which stands over you and your Mass Book. As for all your perverting Scriptures, thereby thinking to bend them to your Traditions and Images, they that have a single eye fees it's to no purpose. And as for calling upon Saints, Angels, and Martyrs to pray for you, to have mercy upon you, for which you have neither Scripture nor Example from the Apostles. And whereas thou ignorantly and pervertingly bringest David's words, and daniel's, for the praying to Angels, etc. and the Sun and Moon: David nor none of the Saints nor Martyrs of old did call to the Sun, Moon, Angels, or Saints, but they called for all things to praise the Lord; for whilst they were living, the Saints prayed one for another, but to pray to Saints departed, is like saul's going to the Witch of Endor, to ask counsel of the Dead, which was forbidden by the Law of God. So in this you are ignorant both of Law and Gospel. Many other frivolous things thou hast in thy Book not worth reading or answering. But one thing further; whereas thou sayest, The Church of Rome is the Mother Church. Was not the Church of Jerusalem before the Church of Rome was? Read the Scriptures. And was not the Church at Constantinople preferred before the Church of Rome? Read over the Histories again. And for the Church of Rome being either Mother Church, Holy Church, or Church of God; her actions and deeds testify against her, she's none of the Church of Christ; though she pretend for Christ yet she is against Christ, his Faith, Spirit and Life, and so Antichrist; her deeds and works have spoken it; which all that be in the Light, Spirit and Life of Christ have seen and heard. And how can ignorant people but smile at you, as thou sayest, who make Bread and Wine God, which will sour and corrupt. Some Scriptures follow here, which ye may read yourselves. Isa. 8.19. Psal. 115.17. Something in Answer to the Papists Queries. THou sayest in the 338 Page, Apostasy is not only a renouncing of the Faith of Christ, but the very Name and Title of Christianity; and no man will say that the Church of Rome had ever such a fall as this. A. The Faith of Christ that works by Love, the Romish Church hath renounced and made shipwreck of, and then what remains but a Form of godliness, when the Power is denied, and such are to be turned away from; and such a Church as deny the Faith, deny the Power; and to profess Christ and Christianity in Words, and deny him in Life and Power, is Antichrist, and this the Church of Rome is fallen into. For many that kept the Title of Jews (as you have done the Title of Christianity) were found of the Synagogue of Satan, so will you when you come to be proved and tried by the faithful, as they that said, they were Jews and were not, but liars, blasphemers, and Synagogues of Satan. Querie 2. If the Church of Rome did ever adhere to any singular or new Opinion, disagreeable to the common received Doctrine of the Christian World? I pray you satisfy me as to these particulars. A. The Church of Rome have set up new Opinions by which they force their people to adhere to them contrary to all the Primitive Churches, as all may see who will read but the Decrees, Orders, and Canons in your Church, and that read the Epistles that were to the Churches in the Primitive times, to be contrary to the Doctrine of the Primitive times; as your making your God and Christ in your Bread and Wine, your Crosses, Crucifixes, Relics, making of Ministers, Pilgrims, Popes, and all your Body of Clergy, together with their Orders and Garments, that are nothing like the Way, Worship and Practice of the Primitive Church, which was the first among the Apostles. And was not Rome degenerated when the Bishop would excommunicate all the Eastern Churches, who was reproved sharply for it? Qu. 3. Thou sayest, By what General Council was the Church of Rome Condemned, and by what Authority was she Reproved? A. Three hundred and seven years after Christ, the Bishop of Rome denied Christ and sacrificed to Idols, (mark) denied Christ, than he must deny Christianity when he took up another Religion; then what did he bring the People of Rome to, when he had sacrificed to Idols? The Bishop's Name was Mercelinus, and he was condemned by a Council of 300 Bishops. And here thou mayest see the Authority that reproved him, before your Popish Religion, See Eusebius in Pag. 36. Chronograp. Was not the Bishop of Rome the first that Decreed, that Priests should not Marry, in the 399 year of Christ? And then the first Council held at Toledo in Spain; in the year of Christ 401, Decreed, That Priests should Marry, and so contradicted the Bishop of Rome. And were they not once of the Sect of the Arrians, and Reproved? Look in Eusebius and you will see Reproofs enough. Also you may read in Scripture, what work the Apostle had with the Church of Rome, how they were in his day going 〈◊〉 the Works of the Law from the Faith. Also in the 423 year of Christ, how that the Bishop of Rome passed the bounds of his Priestly Order, in his presumption, in challenging to himself the Secular Power and Authority, who was reproved sharply; and then a Council held in Africa, Decreed, That no Bishop should be called, The Head of all Priests; That no Appeal should be made at Africa to any other Bishop. And so the Church was Ruled by Councils till Boniface the Third, who got up to be Universal Bishop of all the World, by the means of Phocus that murdered Mauritius the Emperor, his Master, after the 600 year of Christ: and then came in the Pope, the Turk, and the Devil, with all their Body, and pelting Ceremonies. Then did the Pope lose the greatest part of Christendom, and the Emperor the greatest part of his Empire; and so in succeeding Ages in stead of the Bible, you brought into the Church Legends of Lies, as you may read, Euseb. Pag. 410. Qu. 4. Thou Queriest, If ever the Church of Rome divided herself by Schism from any other Body of faithful Christians, to break Communion, or went from the Society of any Elder Church? what Company did she leave, from what Body did she go forth, where was the true Church which she forsook? Answ She went from the practice of the Church in the Primitive times, and from the Body of their Elders in all their days, and hath forsaken their Society and Communion, and divided herself from Christ the Head, and hath set up another, and is divided from all the Apostles and Elders. Compare your own Canons which you use in your own Church, with the Writings of the Apostles, and you may quickly see from what Church, Body and Company of faithful Christians and Elders you are all g●●●●● and erred from, into another Faith, Worship, Life, Power, Gospel and Practice, than Christ and the Apostles were in, in the Primitive times. For what one thing is it that the Church of Rome practiseth, that is agreeable to theirs in all your Worship and your Teachers that hold it up, who are maintained by oppressing the People, and are upheld by carnal weapons, and by them are all your dark Doctrines and Inventions set up, and by Goals, and Prisons and Tortures. But the Elders, which you have forsaken, and Ministers and Apostles, their Weapons were Spiritual, and not Carnal as yours are; who are sold under the sin, far off the Redemption, therefore do you destroy so many Lives, not knowing what Spirit ye be of, persecuting them that have the mind of Christ, who came to save men's lives, and to love Enemies, and one another, whose Doctrine ye deny. THE END.