A pleasant DISCOURSE Between CONSCIENCE and Plaindealing. Discovering their Travels, and hard Fortunes since these Times began; and what hard shifts they have been put too, for want of Entertainment. With their Resolution once more: to try their Fortunes; and to discover in their Travels, all that are enemies to Conscience and Plaindealing: and to give notice to all honest Men, in all Cities, and Towns, to beware of their Hypocritical double dealing, in their Trade. Then listen all People now, for we are fully bend To tell knaus their own, & give honest men content Written by C H. A wellwisher to Conscience & Plaindealing; and to all those that will entertain them. But for him that wishes ill to them, or me. Pray pass a long, A. K. I. C. V B. London Printed for Richard Burt●n A pleasant DISCOURSE Between CONSCIENCE and Plaindealing. Plaindealing. O Mr. Conscience well-met, whether are you walking so fast; I wonder to see you here in the City, I think you have few friends here to entertain you, as well as I. Conscience. Honest Plaindealing I am glad to see thee in health, and as I may say I am glad to see thy heels at liberty, for 'tis a wonder some Knave or other claps thee not in Prison, for telling him of his double dealing. Plain. In truth Conscience, I'll tell thee what I am fain to do (as many honest. Men do now a days that are my Friends) e'en say nothing, but give them a touch now & then, and bid them remember thee; there's some will say nothing, & perhaps will hearken to me; and some again (& the most part too) will tell me that they do not care if thee & I were both hanged; for they can live without us. Con. Well, Mr. Plaindealing, for I will give you that Title too now? for they are all Masters, & Mistresses here in the City. For being the other day with an honest poor man that loves me? for now a days most of all my acquaintance are none of the richest? Drinking a cup of Beer; in comes on for a penny worth of Ale, I seeing her to be a poor Woman proffered her a cup of Beer, & called her Gammer, she gave me such a ugly look, and told me she was as able to give me a cup a Beer, as I was to give her: so going out of doors, I heard the Woman of the House call her Mistress: and told her, that made 16. d. so I asked the Woman, whether she was a Gentlewoman that was brought to Poverty by these times; (as many there be now, the more is the pity) no, she told me she was a Dunghill raker, and her Father had been a Small-coal Crier from his Childhood, and her Husband was a Map-maker; and truly I think if her Husband should want stock, I think all the Clothes of he Back would scarce a yielded him 6. d. to make Maps off: and so ever since, I have learned to call every on in the City Master and Mistress; and I think you deserve the Title Mr. Plaindealing as well as another. Plain. Well Mr. Conscience let it be so, we must Sir every jack now, & so must you, for there is Sir john, Sir honestman, & Sir knave too: but come honest Friend let us not talk here in the street, for I am going to a Friend of ours; I know will bid us both welcome, for he loves all that loves us, 'tis but in Cloth-fayre, Con. Sir, I willbe ready to go with you, I know who you mean, he and I am very well acquainted. Plain. So, here's the house, come let's go in for he will be as glad to entertain us, as we are to see him. With your leave old Acquaintance, I have made bold to bring a Friend of mine along with me, I hope he is well come as well as I. Author. Why Gentlemen, you are both my old acquaintance, & one as welcome as the other to me, & ever was, and I desire to entertain you both as long as I Live, & I desire to entertain all such as entertain you, according to my poor Ability; and I hope all honest men will do the like: if I had ne'er met with Knaves, (as 'tis too well known I have) my love to you should be more bountifully shown. Take in love kind Friends, what so ere you find here? You are truly welcome unto me, and that's your best Cheer. For he that doth Conscience and Plaindealing entertain, Though poor, yet ne'er shall want, while with him they remain. And so her's to you both, pray let's hear anon, What in your Travels, you have undergon. Plain. For my part I have Travelled most parts of this Land, in Country, Town, & City; I never wanted I must confess, for still found some that would entertain me, and they would send me from one to another in my Travels: but I went still as a Man turned out of sevice, and went to seek one. So coming one Friday into Smithfield to the sign of the Black-boy, & there 3 or 4 Country-like Men drinking, asked what Countryman I was; I told them a West Countryman; they asked me with I came to London for, I told them to seek a service if I could meet with an honest Master; they ached me with I could do, I told them any thing to get a living in the way of truth & honesty; & they were all willing to entertain me: one of them asked my name; I told them it was Plaindealing; they laughed at me, & asked me if I were so simple to come out of the Country, to seek a service in London, & especially in Smithfield amongst Horse-scoursers; they told me that my Friend Conscience was gone out of London, long since, Just as the wars begun, and I had best go after, for I should find but small entertainment hear, & for their parts they were not able to keep me; they told me, being the Wars was begun, I had best go and be a Soldier; for there was want of me amongst them on both sides, as they heard; so I went down to Westminster amongst the Lawyers, & others that were there, and about the City in other places among the Shop keepers, the Bakers, the Brewers, the Cooks the Butchers, the Brokers, & the Tailors: some entertained me for a whil, and when I told them that conscience would not give me leave to do such things as they would have me do, they told me that they must not be ruled by conscience, nor by me neither, for they must do as their Neighbours did, or else they were not able to live, so well as they did: so I could not stay long in a place? so I was resolved to seek out my Friend Conscience, and now we have met here at my Friend's House, pray Mr. Conscience tell me how you parted out of the City. Con. Well I will Sir, I did live here in the City a little before these Wars began pretty well? and had many Friends that did entertain me, but then Pride, and Covetousness, and Envy got in, & never left till they had banished me clean out; and then the difference begun between the King & Parliament, and here was like to be Wars, and I seeing that, resolved to go into the Country, to see what Friends I could find there, that I might live quiet if I could, for that was my desire, and there I found some Friends now & then, but they could not do as they would, nor dare not keep me long, for either one Army or other was with them still; and there was some Knaves on both sides that could not endure me, and would make the poor People for to deny me, and say anything to save their Goods: They would Pray very hearty for them before their faces, and wish that they were Hanged, or that the Devil had them, behind their Backs: Look what Side soever came, they must be for them & say as they say; when it was sore against me, but some Soldiers would be to ha●d for them & tell them they were on on side, when they were on another? when it may be they had persuaded the People out of there Religion; then when they had known all there minds tell them they were of the other side; it may be rail on that side, and call them Rogues to their faces, but then the great Crock and little Crock, and all must go, I & carry away the man of the house too, & I along with them; so than if the poor man would not turn me off, and deny me his purse-strings must pay sound for't; for some of the Soldiers could not endure me; then none of the poor people durst entertain me any longer: then I was fain to go into the Armies, and to speak the truth, I found Gentlemen on both sides that did love me, and would entertain me; and I prevailed much with a great many of them, so that wheresoever my Masters marched, the Countries fair'd the better, and they fair'd never the worse; for to be sure what soever mishap befell them, I would never leave them; if my Masters on eîther side were taken Prisoners, I would stir up on or other of that side that were their enemies to help them, and to be sure either released or relieved, so I continued in the wars, till some of my Masters had spent and lost all their estates, and some left off when they saw things did not go as they thought it would do, so I left off too: and when I saw there was no hopes of peace, but still there was like to be Rising, and Mutring, and murmuring still; so I took my leave of those masters I had that was resolved to stay in the Army, and prayed them to remember me in all there marches and they promised me they would, and I told them I should be very glad to hear the welfare of all them that loved me so taking my leave I came to London, But j'll go and visit some Friends in the Country sometimes, and to see fashions, and to discover the knaveries of those that doth not love thee nor me, (Brother Plaindealing.) And j'll discover them all, for j'll favour none let them take it how they will: for Conscience must speak the truth, but pray how was your progress in the Country the time of the War. Plain. Why in truth Brother Conscience, even such another Progress as you had, indeed they that did love me, suffered most; for them that would swear, and dominéere, and be on bothsides, and speak against their Neighbours, and tell the Soldiers, such was Roundheads, and such was Cavaliers, and all to save themselves; such perhaps scaped well enough: but since the times hath been quiet, I have seen abundance of such Rogues, that can scarce get a bit of Bread, to put in their heads, for no honest body can abide them, nor will set them a-work, and for my part j'll ne'er pity them, and they were hanged I should ne'er grieve for them; for many an honest man that loved thee & me, hath been undone by them: I and there was many Soldiers that were as bad: some would run from the King to the Parliament, and then they would tell that such and such were Caveliers;, and that such a Man had sent the King Money, and that another had sent a Horse, that another had sent Vittalls? when alack, 'twas taken from them by force; which made the poor men be Plundered by both Armies; for what the one left the other took: and some again would run from the Parliament, to the King, and tell that such and such was Roundheads, and so cause them to be plundered, I think either side might have spared such as those to the Hangman, and the Armies near the more weakened, for when the Armies were a Fight to be sure they would be a Plundering, and never go in danger, for fear of taking: for they knew whereto they must, ean put on their Hempen band and up be trust: but well leave off this discourse for there are some hear that would feign hear our opinion of the times and prithee Brother Conscience what dost thou think of them, dost think we shall have peace now. Con. Why Brother Plaindealing I must say as many now will say, if you ask me I cannot tell, but j'll tell thee my opinion, so long as thee and I are so little regarded as we are, there willbe on hart-burning or another, what sayest thou Brother. Plain- And truly Brother Conscience be plain and brief, God cannot be pleased with us so long as these Sins Reigns thus in the Land; Pride reigns instead of Humility; Covetousness, instead of Charity, Drunkenness, instead of Sobriety; Wrath and Envy, instead of Love, & Unity: instead of Peace, Dissension, Backbiters, and Slanderers; and instead of Plaindealing Cusening and Cheating: these are the sins that hinders our Peace, for the Lord saith there shallbe no Peace to the wicked. Con. You speak truth Brother, the Country complains, and City too of the Excise, and Taxes, and Rates, and the deadness of Trading; and they do not consider it is their sins that hath caused these burdens, to be laid upon the Land, Plain. Indeed Brother Conscience, I must confess, in my travels, I have heard great complaint in the Inns & Alehouses, of the Excise: for my part j'll be plain with them, that if it were taken off no body would be the better for't, unless it were them; unless there were some strict course taken in ordering what Beer they should Brew, and how they should sell it, for there is no body pays the Excise but Tradesmen, Good-fellows, and Travelers; let Malt be cheap or dear, the Ale is all at on price, and all on goodness; a jug or a Flagon for 2. d. Indeed they cannot live unless they get 9 d. in the shilling, and so I think they do many times in their misreckoning, their Frothing of jugs, and their half bottomed Flagons: with your eight penny, and ten penny ordinaries to your Passengers & Travellers when they scarce eat a pennyworth of victuals, and your Waggoners and Carriers pays a great or 6 d or nothing perhaps, and eats a shillings worth of victuals: you had need be eased of your Excise; you are not fat enough already; Silke-gownes and Petticoats and Bever-hats is not good enough for you; your Children, in Silver-lace, when it may be your Parents could scarce bring you up without the Alms of the Parish; some of you knows it, and I know't too: for I am Plaindealing and must tell you of it, if good-fellows would be ruled by me, you should use a better Conscience to get your Money, and not maintain you in Silks, when many an honest Farmer, and Tradesman's Wife; is glad to get good Cloth on their backs: 'tis true I could wish the poor Farmers were eased of their Taxes and Rates, for the Lord make us thankful all things are so plentiful that he m●st be a good Husband whether he will or no; or else he were not able to undergo them: but for your proud unconscionable Hostises I pity them not much, if I should see some course taken with them, for the exacting on Travellers, as I should of a Baker, when he is to go to the Pillory for making of light Bread, I hope ere long there will be a course taken for both, and when they see it, they must make use of me more than they did. Con. Now you talk of Baker's Brother, I'll speak my Conscience I thin●e they are as unconscionable in many places as the Alewives: and I could name some Chief places of my Travels where I think they should have been better looked after, there is Noridge an anchient City I think there penny Bread was full as big as halfpenny Bread in other places, I told my Landelord at Abrahams-hall that I would have them in Print, there is Bristol and Salisbury too, and many other places that I could name, Conscience must needs tell their Magistrates that they are in the blame. Plain. Well Brother Conscience, i'll tell thee what we'll do; we'll go travel once more? thou shalt go Northward and I'll go Westward, and so we'll Cercuit till we meet at London again, we'll visit every great Fair, for there we shall find out abundance of Knavery, for the Proverb goes there's Knavery in all Trads: and I hope we shall find some honest Men of all Trads which will entertain us. I intent to see Bristol Fair (God willing) for there comes Tradesmen from all Parts; and abundance of Londoners, and that Country people are very fearful of them. And for any thing as I see, there is as much double dealing used in the Country by your Tradesmen there, as there is by your Londoners? and you are too hard for them sometimes? when your Sop-kéepers in the Country gives such a Crack, which makes such a Sound in the Londoners ears, that they are the worse for't a great while afterward. Con. Honest Plaindealing I am willing to take thy Advice & see the Country once more? and now every thing is so Plentiful we'll see what entertainment thee and I shall have: I'll stay Bartholomew-Fayre at London, and then to Sturbridge, and so to Yorkshire● for there I had used to be much regarded amongst Them. Good Ale is the dearest Penny worth there? for Vitals will cost you little or nothing, if you be a goodfellow. But honest Brother, prithee let me give thee some Instructions in your Travel: and I would desire some of yours, for where I am, i'll put them in mind of you: and where you are, bid them remember me. Plain. Well I will, and now tell me what I shall do, for Plaindealing must be ruled by Conscience and Conscience by Plaindealing? for he that useth one, must use the other. Con. First bid the Shop-kéepers and Sails-men, provide them light Shops, and not dark Rome's? whereby to deceive their Customers, to make them take old Cloth instead of new, and course Cloth instead of fine. And bid the Whole-saile Men sell good Pennyworths to their Customers, and when they trust them not take to much Gains: For here they get nought but Ink and Paper for their pains: and pray bid all Tradesmen their, have a care of Lying, for it m●y be they dare not Swore, for fear they are made pay for't? and bid their Customers not believe them when they say they lose by their comodities, or get nothing by them, for such as those will cheat them most? and pray invite all the Horse-scorcers in the Fair that makes much of thee and me, and bid them to dinner but to be sure do not provide too much vittals, for fear your company be so small, you must be glad to eat it yourself, pray invite them to the Sign of the Loggerhead, for that is near the Fair: and pray bid the Hop-merchants keep there Flemish Hopps, and sell there English if they have any; bid them have a care they do not sell Flemish instead of English, for if they Love me, they will not: and bid the Bakers remember me, and tell them you are a Friend of mine, and must take notice of such as Loves not Conscience and Plaindealing; bid them all remember thee and I? and tell them that the Fair would be a great deal the better, (and all Fairs, and Markets else) if they would make use of thee and I, to help them in their Buying and Selling? and not use false Weights and Measures, and deceitfulness in their Trading: for light gains, & quick sail, will make a heavy Purse. Plain. Well Brother Conscience, I intent to follow thy directions, and prithee where thou goest bid them remember me: and let not Shop-kéepers and Trads Men use double dealing so much as they do? nor keep but one sort of Weights, and Measures, to buy and sell by: and let them turn out Hypocracy out of their Shops, for a great many have kept him to be the Foreman of the Shop instead of me? and so have deceived the People: but I hope we shall discover them all: for the People begin to find them out already, for indeed, and forsooth, and in truth? they have cheated many an honest Man: not an Oath, but as many Lies as you please: I advise all to have a care of them, and nor deal with any, if you know them to be such: for he that will Swore, will Ly, and he that will Ly would Swore too, if it were not in hopes to Cousin you the more. Pray remember me to all the honest Inns, and Alehouses that you go too in your Travels, and tell them they will be near the poorer for entertaining you. For indeed in the North parts, & especially in Yorkshire they use some Conscience there, therefore you need not fear entertainment. Remember me to all our Friends at Shefield, and bid the Cutlers there not glaze their knives so much as they do, nor Bromygum neither, for they leave so little Steel on, that when they are used a while the heat of the meat melts all the steel away: there is a place called Cuckolds-haven near Shefield, where I hard, the Host of the House formerly dealt so much with that Ware, and had so much credit of his dealers in Sheffield; & got so much credit by his Ware, by Sea and Land, that he hath built him this plac called Cuckolds-haven? which by report cost his dealers three hundrd pound the building: where they got so much by him I know not? but good brother Conscience come not there, for he'll turn you out of doors, for by report he never knew you in his life, & he cares not for strangers, its the trick of a knav you'll say: 'tis pity knaus should flourish so in Town and City. Pray Brother Conscience bid the Cloathyers' to br●ng as much Cloth as they can this Summer, while the weather is dry? but let them give good measure when they sell it? & persuade the people that buys it: to take enough for fear they should find none to match it when 'tis shrunk: & pray advise all Count rey-men and wmoens that comes to Markets and Fairs, to have a care how that they part from their Money, and let them not part from it to them that will take't at a venture, and never tell it, for than they will have nothing for it; but trouble to find it again: & pray let all country men and others where they are merry, & in drink: have a care of Gaming, for fear they meet with a dish of Rooks that willbe so saucy they, l not be able to digest them in a good while after, and I would advise Young men to have a care of their pockets, and Maids have a care of their plackets, for when that drink is in the wit is out, for both may have sour sance to their sweet meat, if they have not a care. And in the next place I advise all, let them be rich or poor, old or young, to hate swearing, and lying, cusening and cheating, quarling & fight, do as they would be done by? keep a good conscience, and love plaindealing. Let a man be honest, Just & fair, then where he goes he need not care; So once more we are resolved to see, where conscience & plain-dealing best entertained shallbe. And when we have gone our circut round we'll tell you where conscience & plaindealing may be found: so far well tell we do meet again: for conscience & plaindealing, mongst some doth still remain. The The Author's advice. WEll honest Men & Women, either in Country or City? let me like a friend, advise you to take notice of what you have hard here in this Book; and be not angry if Conscience and Plaindealing hath told you of some of your faults, if you are wise you will seek to amend them, and not like a Gaul'd-horse kick and wince when you are rubbed? and though it be a Proverb amongst a many, that Conscience is hanged, and he that loves Plaindealing will ●ie a Beggar? yet tell those Knaves where you do them see: that Conscience is not hanged, though lost with them he be: and though Plaindealing dies a beggar as some say? he gains at last, though here he lose the day. Some grows Rich, and some grows poor, Some gets Houses, some turned out of door, Some gets by Swearing, Cheating, and Lying. And some gets estates without any buying; But he that loves Conscience & Plaindealing to To live in these rhymes he? I have much to do, So far you well, my Name gins with C. A Friend to Conscience and plaindealing where so ere they be, FINIS.