PERROT AGAINST THE POPE: OR A true Copy of John Perrot the Quakers Letter and Challenge to the Pope. With his Holiness' Answer thereto. And an Account of the Quakers Proceed and entertainment at Rome. Jer. 46.3. Order ye the Buckler and the Shield, and draw near to Battle. LONDON, Printed the 9th. day of the 4th. month called June, 1662. THE PUBLISHER TO THE READER. SOme Sober persons will not easily believe (though it be most true) that the fanatic Spirit of Enthusiasm had in the year 1658. so far possessed John Perrot, an English Quaker, that, whilst (to use his own phrase) he stood in the gap for Rome, he must needs go thither in person to convert the Pope; And being arrived at the wished end of his long journey, he made great means to have audience of his Holiness: But it being pleasantly objected, that a disputation with the Pope would prove ineffectual, in regard the one understood no English, and the other nothing but English; Perrot answered, If the Pope have the Spirit of God in him, he will understand what I shall deliver. Thereupon the Pope being moved, was content to admit him to his presence; Ecclus. 4.7. John (forgetting that Scripture, which bids him bow his head to a great man) came stiffly in with his Hat on, and began presently, without other ceremony, in this blu●t English; Pope of Rome, etc. Others say he condescended so far against his Principles as to call him Mr. Pope, and went on in his spiritual canting, of which the Pope understood not a word, but by interpretation; at length, when he had seen the sad effects of this Quakerism, his Holiness said, costui è verament Fanatico, this man is a Fanatic indeed; and gave order he should be sent to the Pazzarella, (which is of the same nature with our Bedlam) but with directions, that if the Fanatic would peaceably departed thence to his own Country, he should have the permission. The Quaker would by no persuasions leave Rome, till he had effected the great work for which the Lord had sent him, that is, converted the Pope; so he was detained in the Pazzarella for a long time, and from thence found means to send a Letter to the Pope, with this superscription, John Perrot, the Lamb of Christ, to Fabius Ghisius; vulgarly called Pope of Rome; the effect of it you may imagine. Perrot had a Doxy with him of his own Tribe, called Jane Stoakes, who being asked by an English Gentleman there, in what part of England she was born? answered, at Oxford, near the nest of unclean birds, called john's. Another of his Companions (for they were four in all, who went in this mission or pilgrimage to Rome) voluntarily fasted himself to death in the Pazzarella, as James Parnell, a brother, had done before him in Colchester Goal, May 1656. After above two years spent by this zealous Quaker in bondage at Rome, at last his heat began to cool, so that, upon his promise to return peaceably to his own Country, he was released. And being arrived at London, in the year 1661. the Spirit again moved him to have another bout with Mr. Pope, and to that purpose, he finds means to convey the following Propositions, by way of Challenge, in a Letter to Rome; which, with the Pope's Answer, (faithfully translated out of the Original Latin) I here present the Reader verbatim, as they came to my hands, from a Virtuoso at Rome, and leave it to Discretion, to judge, whether is like to carry the victory, Fabius Ghisius, or John Perrot; the Pope of Rome, or Quaker of London. PROPOSITIONS TO THE POPE, FOR THE Proving his Power of Remitting Sins, and other Doctrines of his Church, as Principles destroying Souls in Darkness, and undeterminable Death. To Fabius Guisius, Pope, at his Palace in Monte Cavallo in Roma. POPE of ROME It is not unknown, that for the space of three years, wanting less than seven days, I was held in most cruel Bonds under thy Hands; where by the mighty power of God I was borne, and carried through ignominious and opprobrious scoffs and mocks, threats of Death divers ways, and of perpetual Slavery oftentimes: Besides other times most cruelly and inhumanely tortured, bruised, and exceedingly wounded in my fleshly Body; for none other cause (the God of Righteousness knoweth, and that of God in all men's Consciences in that City of Rome can bear me witness, which saw my Conversation from the first to the last of my imprisonment) but honestly, simply, and purely, for Righteousness sake, viz. because I Exhorted All men to Repentance; and warned them in Season, to take heed to their ways, lest a sore Evil should come upon them; I say, for this love of my tender Soul, towards Thine, and their Souls and Bodies, was I so inhumanely requited both by Thee and Them, which the Righteous LORD of Heaven knoweth, and Thou in thy Conscience knowest it; as many others of the Heads, Rulers, Priests, Doctors, Friars, Jesuits, and People of Rome do know the same thing; and after many Wrongs which I bore, and bruises and wounds that I suffered, shut up in a Room, where there was scarce a Breathing place, chained in Irons, mocked of the Wicked, because my natural eyes could see neither visible Sun nor Moon; where moreover, I was tempted with the World, and proffered all the Pleasures which ever my Heart could desire, so that I would be, but as thy Priests were, which daily tempted me unto Idolatry. (I say) all which I suffered, until at length my Innocent patiented Soul had worn out, and overcome, all the Cruelty towards me, which was Exercised upon me, by the Unreasonable Hands of Sinners: and that the Lord arose to plead my Cause for me, and stirred up such, as I neither desired, nay, nor in the least outwardly knew, to appear in my Behalf; and made some of his Servants to offer up their lives for my Redemption, which were known to be freely sacrificed in Rome; for whose Live unto me, they were also Imprisoned by Thy power, who, below the Law of Heathens, stood not openly to show us any cause of our Sufferings. Yet, after all this, (though I am a man wholly given unto my God, having given all things else unto Him who made them) if it were the will of my Father, commanding me unto Silence, and to sit down as him that is Dumb, and never to open my mouth, nor lead on my Pen on Paper, to Remonstrate the things that are past, concerning my Suffering days, verily, I should Obey, and say Good is the Will of my God, who teacheth me Subjection. But being commanded unto this thing, I can of a pure heart, in the sight of my Almighty God, say, that I writ not to take a Revenge of my Cause, having committed Vengeance unto him that repayeth in Righteousness. (Whom, I pray for mercy, to be manifested unto you All, having a long time stood in the Gap for Rome; with many Tears, offering my Life for the Inhabitants of that City, which the God of Heaven knoweth, and that I can at 〈…〉 to serve them all in the way wherein my Father leadeth me But O Pope for thy ●ouls sake, and the people's Souls sakes which have a dependence upon thy Power, I am contrained to write this time unto thee in this manner, showing that in the Name and holy Fear of the Lord God of Heaven and Earth, who hath led me in my Pilgrimage, by his Right Hand of Power, and pleaded my Cause with my Enemies, by reigning down fire from Heaven upon them, and by divers Judgements in Rome, whilst there the people oppressed my Innocent Soul with Cruelty; which may as is needful hereafter) be more at large spoken of. I proptmd it unto Thee, (as being the HEAD of that people, which are called the Roman Catholic Church) to Constitute, Order, and appoint one hundred of thy Chiefest and Propoundest jesuits or Doctors of Divinity, (so called by thee) to give me a fair, open and public Meeting, in England, Germany, France, Italy or Turkey, (viz.) in the most expedient place, for the advantage of the Glory of God (who Created the whole earth for that end as a way may be made to attain a Licence from the Powers of the said Nations, to effect the said Meeting. I say, choose thee thy hundred or more persons for thy defence, and in the Name of the Lord God and in his Council, I shall stand in the face of a Nation, or many Nations, to prove to that of God in every Conscience upon the face of the Earth, That thy pretended power of Remission of Sins, is of the old Serpent the Devil, drowning Souls in the Lake of Hell and Perdition. 1st. By the time of the coming in of Popes. 2dly. By the manner of choosing Popes. 3dly. By the matter of the precepts of Popes. viz. First, That the Doctrine of teaching people to pray unto the Virgin Mary is damnable, drowning the Soul in the pit Hell. Secondly, That the Doctrine of teaching of the people to call on more Advocates, Mediators, and Intercessors, Than looking upon the One MEDIATOR JESUS, is of the pit of 〈…〉 blinding and binding souls in the blackness of the night of death. Thirdly, That the Invention of Pictures and Images in your Worships, is of the destroying Spirit, of the power of Darkness, chaining Souls in the Pit. Fourthly, That your manner of Consecrating Waffers, Wine, and Water, praying upon Beads, worshipping in Idols Temples, your divers Friar's Garments, and Titled Orders, your observations of Days, and Meats, your Penance and Processions, are not of God; but contrariwise of the Spirit of Delusion, Heresy, Deceit, and Iniquity, which drowneth Souls in perdition. For which Cause, if thou lovest the Salvation of Souls, more than their Damnation, through a Covetous end of an Earthly Kingdom in thy Heart, than I am sure Thou wilt not scruple, to send such persons as Thou mayest appoint, to Meet me according to this Proposal; which else, All Nations will see thy Cloak to be Rend a sunder, and no longer able to cover and hid the Abominations which are concealed under Thy Skirts: for except Thou sendest me an Answer, or causest an Answer to be sent unto me, in the space of Four Months after the Date of this, then must I Manifest it unto All Nations, as far as it can be conveniently Spread, even unto the ends of the Earth; which, until then, I may not do, that Thou mayest Know, that my End, is not to Infamize Thee, and Thy Authority, but Righteously to Glorify the Lord God Almighty, my Holy Father of Life. LONDON, the 20th. day of the 7th Month called September 1661. Who am called the English Quaker, that was Prisoner in Bedlam of Rome, and also outwardly named JOHN PERROT. FABIUS GHISIUS POPE of ROME TO JOHN PERROT QUAKER of LONDON. John Quaker! THy Letter and Propositions (bearing date the 20th. day of the 7th. month) came not to my hands till the 10th. day of this, therefore I hope thou wilt not proscribe me, for elapsing the time limited in thy Letter, which was not through my fault; And because I know thou hast a perverse unbelieving Spirit in thee, I forbear in usual form to salute thee with Apostolical Benediction, but without further Ceremony apply myself to answer thy Letter. 1. 'Tis true thou wast detained in the Pazzarella here, a place most fit for thee, and thy mad Brethren, where had both thou and they been timely put, as you might have been in Justice, and should have been in Prudence, all the late miseries and abominable wickednesses of England, had in all likelihood been prevented; Nor was it without evident reason, That my Officers shut thee up in Bedlam; Thou cam'st out of a Rebellious Country, (where thou and thy Fanatic Brethren committed a Wonderful and Horrible thing, Jer. 5.30. Ezek. 11.2. Murdered your lawful King) to devise mischief and give wicked Council in this City; Thou didst pretend a Spiritual Call, and I know not what Revelation, which proved a false vision and divination, Jer. 14.14. a thing of naught, and th' deceit of thy heart, far surpassing the frenzy of the more ancient Enthusiasts; When thou wast soberly admonished to abandon that deluding Spirit (which leads thee and thy Brethren into so many exorhitancies) and set thy face toward London, Ezek. 21.2. thou didst ●ost pertinaciously contemn that good Council, and persist in thy ways of Abomination, refusing to departed out of my City, Rome; forgetting those words, Rev. 18.4. thou hast so often misinterpreted, Go out of her my people, lest thou partake of her sins, and receive of her punishments. Why couldst thou not take heed and more warily understand a Text so plainly fore warning thee to fly from her, Ezek 13.3 left she should punish thee? Thus saith the Lord God, woe unto the foolish Prophets that follow their own Spirit and have seen nothing. While thou wert kept in the Roman Bedlam, was not the Discipline of the place, exactly observed to thee, Jer. 4.18. Ezek. 14.10. aswell as to the rest of thy fellow Bedlams, didst thou want any thing there, but thine own wire? Thus therefore it came to pass that thy way and thy do procured these things unto thee; it being just that thou shouldst bear the punishment of thine iniquity. 2. Thou sayest my Priests did daily with all the pleasures thy heart could desire, tempt thee to be as they were▪ And were they not very courteous to make thee so kind an offer? were they not very patiented to treat with thee thus daily? Ingrateful John! why dost thou complain of those who used thee so civilly? and all this, only to make thee be as they were; Verily, verily, John, thou wert shrewdly hurt, dost thou not usually (though falsely) charge them to lead lives of ease and honour, and canst thou take it ill, they should offer thee a share with themselves, to be as they were. Moreover I say unto thee, thou dost me and my people very great wrong, by affirming in thy Letter, that my Priests did daily tempt thee to Idolatry; yet I commend thee John, for hating that, which I abominate with all my Soul; Dost thou think I adore a carved stone, as my God, or a painted canvas, as my Saviour? or is any thing Idolatry, but the adoring a Creature, as our Creator; and the making to ourselves a God of a graven Image? which if I did I were as mad as thou. No, John, I worship only one God, I acknowledge only one Mediator betwixt God and Man, the God-and-Man JESUS CHRIST; though I believe it both lawful and profitable to desire the Prayers of his Holy Saints, who reign with him, and continually assist at his holy Throne; and the Charity of his glorious Angels, Heb. 1.14. who behold his face and are sent forth as ministering Spirits for the good of the Elect. As for Pictures, I believe neither any Divinity nor Sanctity to be in them, but I consider them as fit Instruments to help the memory, to recollect the fancy, and stir up the affection; giving them such respect as thy soberer Neighbour Protestant's do to their Communion Table, whom I hope thou art not so bold to charge with Idolatry, or if thou dost, convert them first, and then come again to me. Thou knowst 'tis one of the great Commands, Exod. 20. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy Neighbour. Isay. 5.23. And 'tis written, woe be to you that r●b the just man of his justice, for as fire devoureth the stubble, so shall the root of these men be ashes. 3. For the power of remitting Sins, which thy serpentine spirit so much stumbles at, what more plain in Scripture? where our Saviour says expressly to his disciples; Whatever ye shall bind on Earth, shall be bound in Heaven, Mat. 16.19. John 20.23. and whatever ye shall lose on earth, shall be loosed in heaven; And again. Whose sins ye shall forgive they are forgiven; and whose ye retain, they are retained. What can be said more clear and plain? dost not thou thyself hold many doctrines less evidently in Scripture than this? tell me thy thoughts of this point in thy next Letter. But thou hast chosen three strange Mediums to disprove this Power. 1. By the time of the coming in of Popes. 2. By the manner of choosing Popes. 3. By the matter of the Precepts of Popes. Truly John, thou deserv'st, for these three lines of nonsense, at least three months more of the Pazzarella, Too little Learning I see hath made thee mad. Acts 26.24 The other Points, when thou and my Champion meet, shall be at large discussed. 4. Now to thy Challenge of me, to send a hundred of my profoundest Jesuits, or Doctors, to meet thee at any place of Christendom or Turkey; since thou art so civil to leave the nomination of the place to me, I do, for thy ease, appoint AMSTERDAM, an indifferent place, to all Professions, where thou shalt have as fair play as I, and any body else, as either of us. And since thou hast presumed thus proudly to defy the Armies of the living God, and, confiding in thy weaver's beam, provokest us to Battle, I promise to send one only Jesuit, the youngest of my Children, to meet thee there on the 20th. day of the sixth month, vulgarly called August; 1 Sam. 17. Despise not his little stature, for know, he has slain the Lion and the Bear, and the unbaptized Quaker shall be as one of them. He shall come down to thee with the light armour of a sling and a few smooth stones and smite thee on thy forehead, and thou shalt fall on thy face to the earth; he shall be armed with the dreadful weapons of Excommunication, and with Bell, 1 Cor 5.5. Book and Candle, deliver thee to the Devil, for the destruction of thy fleshly body, that thy Spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord JESUS. The hearty wish of him— Given under the Seal-ring of the Fisherman, at our Palace of Monte Cavallo, in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1662/1. Indiction the 15th March the 4th. and in the seventh year of our Pontificat. Who, according to the Flesh, is named, FABIUS GHISIUS, But in a Spiritual way, Alexander the seventh POPE of ROME, and Servant of the Servants of God. FINIS.