SATAN'S HARBINGER ENCOUNTERED, HIS FALSE NEWS OF A TRUMPET DETECTED, HIS CROOKED WAYS IN THE WILDRNESSE Laid open to the view of the Impartial and judicious. Being Something by way of Answer to DANIEL LEEDS his book, entitled, NEWS OF A TRUMPET SOUNDING IN THE WILDERNESS etc. Wherein is shown, How in several respects he hath grievously wronged and abused divers eminent, worthy and painful Labourers in the work of the Gospel, in many places by false Citations out of their books, and in many other places by perverting their say and expressions; besides his otherways basely reflecting upon several ancient Friends by name. Bianca C: P. And the men of Israel said, Have ye seen this man that is come up? Surely to defy Israel is he come up: 1. Sam: 17. 25. Behold he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood, Psalms. 7. 14. Printed at Philadelphia By Reynier Jansen 1700. THE PREFACE Friendly Reader. Although ●● be true which Solomon saith, Eccles. 12: 12, Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness to the flesh: Yet I hope none can justly blame me for publishing this, when they seriously consider, that the drift of it is only to clear the truth and those many good men grossly as pierced, from the envious insinuations cast against it and them, and the wrong inferences pretendedly drawn from their writings by our present Adversary Daniel Leeds, who has, hand over head, in a very palpable manner, to his own shame, ventured to abuse our friends at a very shameful rate; not only by wrong meanings put upon their words and doctrines, but also by false Citations out of their books, thereby endeavouring to make them speak, what they never spoke, nor (I believe) ever thought; in order to represent them to the people greatly contradictory to one another. Of which false Citations I shall in this place produce one, and but one, referring thee to the following book for a view of many more of them; It is in Number 58, where he quotes William Penn his Sandy Foundation p 20, saying; W. P. there calls the man Christ, The finite impotent Creature: Whereas there is no such saying or irreverent expression in the whole book: for where W. P. uses the words. Finite and impotent Creature, The subject he was there treating of plainly shows, that he meant it of us sinners that need forgiveness; but not of the Man Christ who never sinned. Than which, what greater abuse could be put upon any man's writings? Reader, The substance of this book was wrote near two years ago, but being backward in myself to appear in print, a● also the press being long expected here before it came, and when come taken up with other important matters intervening, occasioned the delay of its publication till now. As for the Errors of the press, which are many, especially in the former part of the book; and more especially in one place, which is very material to be corrected, without which it will read so, as will make it look very gross, and appear to be false doctrine; it is in p. 17: l. 9, where after, works sake the Printer hath omitted, but for his sake, which words are in the written copy by which he printed it. I must desire thee (Reader) upon occasion to take the trouble of ●urning to the Errata, where I hope thou wilt find the most material collected. The chief occasion of there being so many errors, was, the Printer being a man of another nation and language, as also not bred to that employment, consequently something unexpert both in language and calling, and the corrector's not being so frequently at hand as the case required, all which I desire thou wouldst favourably consider. The Intent of publishing this, was chief to prevent any from being deceived, and also to undeceive those that may have been already deceived by this unfair, man's abusive book; for such it is, and as such, let it be added to the Catalogue of those many envious and abusive writings, that have been sent forth into the world, from time to time, to hinder the spreading of truth, and the progress of God's people in the way of it: all which will surely be accounted for one day, and not witstanding all which, the truth remains the same, and I am satisfied will more and more spread itself, and prevail, in and upon and the hearts spirits of people, notwithstanding the various and restless attempts of its Opposers, to hinder it. And as the way of its working, is to cleanse and purify mankind in soul, body and spirit, and make them fi●● temples for God to dwell in, by virtue of his holyspirit in us and also entitle us effectually, to partake of the great and unspeakable benefit, that accrues to mankind, by that one offering of our Lord Jesus Christ, on the tree of the Cross: So it is highly necessary that we more and more come to experience this cleansing work to be wrought in us, in order to be entitled to those afore said benefits. For although our blessed Lord Jesus Christ then offered up himself for the sins of the whole world, yet we read of none, who by that offering are for ever perfected, but those who are sanctified. Heb. 10: 14. Caleb Pusey. SATAN'S HARBINGER ENCOUNTERED etc. Before I come to the Book itself, I shall touch a little upon the Preface, and begin with an expression of Daniel Leeds', which runs thus. It is my real belief, That the Quakers at first came forth in life and power, and made a good beginning. Answer. Did they so? How comes it then to pass, that the first Instruments of that good beginning in life and power, as G. Fox, G. Whitehead, E. Bourough, R. Hubberthorn, Is. Pennington etc. and their ancient works and Writings, must be thus brought upon the stage, by this Daniel Leeds himself, even in this very book, endeavouring thereby to prove their doctrine false, inconsistent, and little less than a mere heap of confusion? Can such things be an effect of life and power? And if he say, They lost that life and power again, before those books were written: It may then be observed, how in the same Page he insinuates, as if the losing of it again, was through their contending with one another about trifles and Ceremonies, instituting this and that order, and getting into form etc. Whereas it is well known, that many of the above named Friends Books were written before the Institution of those Orders, (as he calls them). Besides, I find in a Paper entitulad A brief Admonition &c. (delivered to Friends here at the yearly meeting in the year 1696. Which as I am credibly informed) was written by Daniel Leeds, there being also the two letters of his name, with two letters more subschribed to it) after having expressed what an healthy flourishing Country this was about eight years before, this passage, viz Doubtless it might have so continued, if the kernel of life and love had not took wing etc. Now hence I observe, That (according to this aknoledgement (for such it is implicitly at least) the kernel of life and love had ●ot tookwing before the Year 1688: yet most of the ●ooks he quotes were written long before th●t time. But surely no orderly sensible man will imagine, that order and form amongst God's People, will occasion the life ●●d power to withdraw, whilst the power is not denied: Is not God a God of order? And doth not the apostle say to the Corinthians? Let all things be done decently and in order 1 Cor. 14: 40. Moreover if the life and love took Wings, but about or since the jeer 1688, how could those Orders which were established above twenty years before be the occasion of it? Again, what Orders have We that they disown? Have We Montly meetings? So have they. Have We Yearly meetings? So have they? Have We women's meetings? Daniel Leeds saith, Those Meetings are certainly of service in Deeds of Charity and Hospitality, page 66. But to proceed, he concludes that page and gins the next with this passage viz, When my intentions were first ●●t on this ensuing work, I had taken G. K's. books in equally with the rest or else I should have been partial as ●aleb Pusey has been [being blinded with prejudice, as his term is in only faulting G. K's books, but not his Opposers; but as I proceeded on, at length I found G. K. (according to the example of good men in all Ages) has publicly acknowledged himself guilty of Errors in divers of his former books, and promised a correction of the same; and now of late we have his Retractation come over in Print. Answ. A mere flame: For among all the contradictions that we have charged and proved upon him, he has been so far from retracting any part of them, though they contradict his present doctrine, that he boasts in the very Retracting book itself, That for the most part they are the soundest passages in all his book, and that he can show a good consistency of them with his present faith, See pa. 42: 43. And now, since Daniel Leeds in the close of his Preface asserts his proceed in his book to be honest and sincere; I appeal to all impartial people Since G. K's doctrines as charged by us, do greatly contradict each other; and yet he refuses to retract ●ny ●a●● of them, Whether I s●●●●. Ks. 〈…〉 which probably D. L. had not thought about wh●● he wrote his book, 〈…〉 any argument in sincerity and truth, for his not taking in G. Ks. books, as well as o●hers, in this wrangling piece of his. As for his counting me Partial, because I have not faulted G. K's. Opposers, as well as G. K. I answer, ●ll by G. K's. oppose●s, he mean our Friends, I never 〈…〉 cause to be so scrutinous, as D. L. hath been, in searching, either into our Friends books or G. K's. either, till since that time any farther than what related to the Controversy which G. K. had raised amongst us here; and chief that about the universal neccessity of the knowledge of Christ in the outward, in order to salvations, without our acknowledging of which I found he would not own the most upright amongst us, to ●e any better than Heathens. Now, upon a time, looking into G. K's. Universal free Grace of the Gospel, in pa. 117 I found, that he there would not grant, That outward knowledge, or the knowledge of Christ in the outward was universally 〈…〉 salvation; which I presently showed to an honest Friend, and then a late Friend of his, at Philadelphia; and when I came to town again, he told the, he had showed G. K. the passage, and said his answer was to this purpose; That if he was in his senses upon his death 〈◊〉, ●e would leave 〈◊〉 a● his last testimony to his Friends about him; That if they should find any thing in his former books, contrary what he now held, they should scratch it out, where they met with it. Now, had he not presently after this, and after his so uncharitably counting honest Friends to be but Heathens, gone about to persuade his over credulous followers; That he was not changed in his Principles, thereby deceiving and deluding them, should have had no occasion on that account, to have put Pen to Paper, as I did: But I suppose he warily considered in time; That if he should acknowledge a change in his principles, his New and raw disciples, who ●alued themselves at that time much upon their being accounted Quakers, and that of a primitive stamp too, would have forsaken him, and his notions also. Well, than he finds out a way to gloss over this place, and would have us believe, That when he denied, as aforesaid, the knowledge of Christ in the outward to be universally necessary to salvation, his meaning was, that it was not so necessary to salvation begun; as if that difference betwixt our Friends, whom G. K. was then vindicating, and other people, was about salvation began only: Yet lest that would not do, We must also be told of a distinction, betwixt the express, and the implicit knowledge of Christ, and that the express knowledge was not universally necessary, yet the implicit knowledge was. Now these things put me into a farther search, into both his former and latter books, and in his former I still found, where he was concerned to treat of the subject, he alwais denied that knowledge to be essentially necessary to salvation, particularly in his Universal free Grace &c., p. 117, and Light of truth triumphant, p. 6. By his former books, I mean such as bear date before the year. 1681. or thereabouts, Which is supposed to be about the time that he wrote (as he acknowledged) 199 of the 200 queries concerning the Revolution of humane souls etc. But by his latter books it appears, that he is clearly changed in principle as to the point of doctrine; and I finding things thus, and also how he was receded from his principles in some other matters, wherein he differed with Friends, as About the sufficiency of the Light without something else, and about Preachers being Magistrares, and of the confused work he had made about his strange notions of the Resurrection, as in my said book is shown: This I say, Was the occasion of my Writing that book, that thereby I might show to them, especially to the most sincere amongst them, how he went about to deceive them, by drilling them on, and persuading them, we could never prove, he was changed in his Principles, as his own words are, see, Some Fundamental Truth's p: 13. Printed about the year 1692, Wherein he further saith thus; I can prove a good consistency of my present doctrine with all [mark all] my former and latter books. Behold now the man; for if this be true, what need he now at a pinch have put out his book of Retraetations: why he was driven to it, he must either do it, or else some of his followers might have fallen out with him about it; for some of them were not satisfied with him in that respect; Nay, if we can believe this D. L. he himself was one of the dissatisfied persons else what makes him say, He had taken in G. K's. books equally with the rest, but that be found G. K. had promised a Correction of them, and that of late his Retraction was come over in prent, See D. L. ' s. Preface as before is shown. But there is one thing more, which I am sure he ought not only to Retract, now his hand is in, but also deeply to lament, and that is; His so abusing his poor followers Case I have already hinted) in his thus deluding them, by so often persuading them, at the first, that he was not changed in his Principles; and when he hath done this, I know not, but as to this point, he may pretty well pass, for such a kind of an honest man, as is so with good looking to: But before he does thus much, I do not see how he can be afforded the appellation. And now to conclude, I do say; that suppose I had seen, and took notice of some passages in our Friends books, which might seem to me like inconsistencies, especially in relation to things not then in controversy, I do not look upon myself equally obliged to expose them, as I did his, which were so palpable, and done for the reason aforesaid. The next thing I shall take noise of, is, Daniel Leeds s' pretences in this his Preface now be fore me; that His proceeding, here in to expose and publish what follows [in his book] was by amotion heavenly. Yet I question not to prove him in his thus doing not only an Accuser, but a very false Accuser of the Brethren; which to be ●●re could not proceed from a motion heavenly, and scarce think he can be so infatuated, as to think it did, unless his meaning be; That he was influenced in this action, by the motion of the stars, that are placed in that firmament of haven, and yet if his meaning he such, it will by no means deserve the credit, that was given to his Idle prediction, published in his Almanac for the jeer 1695, where he saith; All lovers of truth are to take notie, that from and after the 25. of January, no person shall find it safer shrouding under the name and denomination of a Quaker, than under the name of any other profession of Christianity what soever etc. For we have all along known, that no person not only from and after the month he calls January, but at no time else, hath been; is, or will be any thing the safer, for their being under the denomination of a Quaker, any more than that D. L.▪ s words be true, were he says, his proceed in this his book was from a motion heavenly and that's not at all. I come now to his book, which he gins under the title of an Introduction, in p: 3. D. L. fearing that such lick seeming contradictions as he alleges against our Friends books might be found in the scriptures, he struggles hard before hand to guard against it, by telling us. They, themselves in their books gave that reason why it is so with the scriptures bringing reasons to prove them not the same as given forth, but altered and corrupted. Now this cannot be alleged of their books, decause we have the first impression of them, and there fore they cannot be altered or corrupted. Answ. Is he there At this rate than ●s abouts; if he should charge seeming contradictions upun us, for saying this on the one hand, and that on the other, and we can prove the both sides are according to scripture, yet it seems the must not be allowed, because our Friends, have told, how some scriptures have been altered and corrupted, which few professing Christianity I suppose will deny to be true; ●ever the less, if for the reason the Quaker must not bring scripture to prove what he hath written, why may not any one else be denied so, to do, in defence of any truth what soever, and so at this rate, any Opposers of the clearest truths, may deny any scripture that may be urged to convince him of his Error. Well but do our Friends s●y that some scriptures have been altered and corrupteds What does D. L.'s. friend G. K. say less in a passage in one of his books, not yet reacted; where he hath it thus viz I hope it may be without offence not only queried but also concluded, that the translations of the scripture have divers additions, which men have added without any pretence to divine inspiration: Nor are there wanting divers, both judicious and learned men, so accounted, of good repute, even among Protestants who do acknowledge, that some particular words have dropped in to the Greek and Hebrew text, since their first writing etc. All which being granted, yet do not hinder but that the purity of the scripture is sufficiently preserved, viz, in respect of the main and necessary things: See Truth's Defence p: 59 and 60 etc. And so we say too, see W. p 's Rejoinder q: 38: 39 Now if D. L. can make appear, that any scripture that we have brought, or may bring, to prove any truth, be altered or corrupted, he may do it, or else what he hath said as to this matter, affects us more than it doth G. K. and others that profess Christianity. I shall there fore proceed to put D. L. in mind that at this rate all Protestants may be deprived of what proofs they usually bring against Popish Innovations. And suppose a Friend, upon any occasion, should exhort people to serve the Lord with fear etc. and upon another occasion should tell them, they might serve him without fear all the days of their lives, and should bring Psal. 2: 11. for the one, and Luke 1. 74 for the other: Now I would know of D. L., whether he would dare to call this a contradiction: Likewise in John 16. 24 is said, Ask and ye shall receive; but in James 4: 3 Ye ask, and receive not. Christ saith in one place, I f●ll bear witness of myself, my witnessed is not true, and in an other place he saith, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true, see John 5. 31 and 8: 14. Again, saith Christ to his discipels, I go to my Father, and ye s●e me no more John. 16. 10. yet John saith, When he shall appear, 〈◊〉 shall see him as he is 1 John. 3: 2. Many more instances might be brought, but these I have menttioned I scarce think D. L. will dare to call contradictions, notwithstanding some scriptures may have been corrupted and altered. I remember what ado they made of late, because a Friend had said The wicked Jews never saw the World's saviour; Though the scripture saith expressly, Whosoever sinneth hath not seen him 1 John. 3. 6. and surely the wicked Jews were sinners: Now by his rule, it is but saying, This scripture may be altered and corrupted, and thus this proof will be rendered invalid. And likewise, suppose the Jews should bring such an argument against any Christian, endeavouring to prove to them out of the old testament, that Jesus must needs be the promised Messiah; or an Atheist against us, when we prove out of the scriptures that there is a God, at this rate because our Friends, as well as GK and other Professors do say; some scriptures have been altered, therefore our proofs out of them against Jews and Atheists yea and Papists too, will be of no Authority, and but as a mere nose of wax. Besides, this suppositious excuse of D. L's. suggested in the name of some preachers of late, with his paraphrases therein, will not cover his dishonesty, nor cloak his gross perversions and corrupt citatiens. Do the Quakers say that the scriptures in some places are alterred and corrupted? What then? Will it therefore follow, that they must excuse D. L's. alteration and corruption of their writings? No such matter. Is the scripture in English a translation out of other language, consequently but a copy, liable to mistakes in transcribing and translating, as well as printing; And the Quakers books the original impression? Will it therefore follow, that D. L. may mangle and misrepresent the Quakers writings, at his pleasure, without control? I know no reason for it and therefore shall take liberty to tell him of his faults whether it please him o● no And this further I dare undertake to prove, if any ●easonable man, after perusal of what I have here offered to his view, can doubt it; that, should I suppose the scrrptures to be wholly clear of any errors, either of Transcriber, Translator or Printer, and D. L. bad the confidence, to make as bold with them, as he hath done with our Friends writings, he might make a far bigger News book, than that which he trumpeted out in the Wilderness against us. I come now to his quotations out of our Friends books, which he has placed in two columns, under the notion of contradictions, which, how far he proves them so to be, or how far he falls short of proof, as also how honestly or how dishonestly he deals with them, will appear in the following examination of them (or at least of so many of them as may give the Reader a sufficient taste of the rest; I not having all the friends books quoted on both sides by me) and my remarks thereon, by way of answer thereunto. I begin first which page 7 (it should be 6) where he quotes W P▪ s Sandy Foundation p. 22. thus. Since Christ could not pay what was not his own [Debt] it follows, that in the payment of his own, the case still remains equally grievous, since the debt is not hereby absolved or forgiven, but transferred only. Now to this D. L. opposes G. W's Divinity of Christ in answer to Tho Danson p. 16 thus; How false and blasphemous this charge is against Christ, I appeal to all sober Professors of Christianity, viz. That when God required satisfaction of Christ, it was due from Christ. Upon which D. L. makes this observation, viz That as before (Saith he) W. P. renders Geo. Whitehead's head's doctrine ridiculous and shameful, so here G. W. renders W Penn's doctrine blasphemous, for holding, that Christ had a debt of his own to satisfy to God etc. Answer, It were well if D. L. would be ashamed as he ought to be, of his thus ridiculously and shamefully abusing W. P, by his so basely adding in crotchets the word, [Debt] to W. P.'s. words, which is neither W. P's. word nor so much as deducible from his doctrine or argument: So this is but a mere crotchet of D. L's. envious brain, to render G. W. and W. P. inconsistent with each other, and also to misrepresent W. P, as if he believed, that Christ was guilty of sin, when he suffered for our sins; which, as that passage of W. P's. shows not such thing; so the same page proves the contrary; for the whole Page is chiefly to show the ridiculous consequences that attend the rigid Presbyterian doctrine, of its being impossible for God to pardon sins upon repentance, without a plenary satisfaction made by another, which consequences W. P. calls Irreligious and Irrational in 9 respects, the 3d. of which is That it was unworthy of God to pardon but not to inflict punishment on the innocent, or require a satisfaction where there was nothing due. Now mark, These words plainly imply that W. P. counted Christ innocent, and that there was nothing of debt due from him, which spoils D. L's. pretended contradiction. Besides, was it likely that W. P. must needs, by his own, mean Christ's own debt, and so render Christ a sinner? A very idle construction; for suppose Christ had a debt to pay, according to the Presbyterian strict rigid sense, must it needs follow from thence, that the debt was his own, and so paid it as being due from him? Nothing less: For is it not common among men, for a man to pay a debt for his Friend, which though he pay with his own, yet the debt was not due from him; Even so, Christ laid down his live for our sins, but yet not to pay any debt of his own, for as W. P. there saith there was no such thing due from him; no, he laid down his live its true, but it was for us; he was wounded but it was for our transgressions, and Christ himself faith, Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends John. 15. 13. Nay though it had been to pay a debt in the Presbyterian, strict and rigid sense (which as I said was what W. P. there discussed) yet it was not his own debt, though it was his own life he paid it with, as he himself said, I lay down my life for the sheep John 10. 15. and if for the sheep, than not to pay a debt of his own, and that that is W. P's. genuine sense in that place, I suppose no unprejudiced man will deny; and I charge D. L. with most base forgery in this place, for his adding the word [debt] to W. P's. words, thereby quite altering the true and real intent of them. But again, He has as basely rendered, as well as falsely quoted W. P. p. 5. where he hath it thus Sandy Foundation p. 14. W. Penn. saith, If the only God is the Father and Christ be the only God, then is Christ the Father; which is ridiculous and shameful. Now here again I flatly charge him with most grossly perverting W. P's. words sense and meaning, for though W. P. says If that the only God is the Father and Christ be that only God, then is Christ the Father: yet that he there called this ridiculous and shameful I absolutely deny, and it lies upon D. L. to prove, for the place proves it not, and if D. L▪ writ again about it, I would advise him, to insert the whole paragraph, that it may be seen, whether any such thing be so much as deducible from what W. P. there saith. And now let me tell him, there needs no carious wire drawing mincing nor mangling as he in p, 43. insinuates we should be forced to in our answer to him, to manifest his abuse to W. P. in this matter. Neither was there any occasion for D. L. to talk of our agreeing upon a consistent Creed, but if he writ again, let it be what is agreeable with honesty, and consistent with truth, that honest men may stand by him in it. In p: 4 (it should be 7) DL saith v In Dirinity of Christ" by G. W. and G. Fox, they begin in the Epistle with commanding and charging Professors to bring express scripture for their Doctrine saying, Whether do the scriptures speak of three persons in the Godhead, in these express words? And where doth the scripture speak of a humane nature of Christ in heaven? etc. A little lower D. L. saith Now may not the Professors say, Come G. W. Come Quakers where doth the scripture say, the distinction of Father and Son is not only nominal, but real. He having in p. 4. cited these as G. W 's words. Answ. We know that those Professors would have tied our friends up to those very terms of three persons, and also human nature of Christ in heaven etc. And yet at the same time, blamed them for not calling the scriptures the only rule of faith. So that since they would needs tie our Friends up to those very words, 'twas but reasonable they should be held to their Rule to prove them by. But as fo● G. W.'s saying, the distinction of the Father and Son is not only nominal but real; I question not, if the Father Word and Spirit be owned to be one God, but G. W. will rest satisfied, without disiring to impose the words nominal and real on any man, though he might use them to satisfy the enquirer. But since D. L. would make us believe he is impartial in relation to G. K, why must the Quakers be thus struck at, and G. K. passed by in this matter: For doth not he in his book called Presbyterian and Independent, visible Churches etc. p 87, say of the scripture; That it is not safe to leave the scripture words, and go to words of man's wisdom, and thereby declare our faith of Christian doctrine. And yet doth not the same G. K, make abundant use of other words in managing of Controversy, and plead for it too, as in his book called Antichrists and saducees detected &c. in p. 19, Where he saith, I see not why I should be so confined to exspres scripture words ' in things that I require no man to own or believe as Articles of faith, but leave them to their liberty etc. And now I dare say G. W. and all sensible Friends will say as much. The next quotation of D. L.'s I take notice of is out of G. F's Great Mystery p: 264 etc. cited by him in his p: 10 thus; Priest says, A man by his own power cannot get into regeneration, for they are dead in sins and trespasses G. F. replies, some are sanctified from the womb, and some children are holy; so all are not dead in sins and trespasses etc. Now to this he opposes G W.'s Divinity of Christ in answer to T. D. p: 20: thus; G. W. says, Condemnation ●ame upon all men— Death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned p: 24: Again, Christ died for all, so all were dead in sins and trespasses etc. Answ: That some are sanctified from the womb according to G: F: is but according to scripture, see Jerem: 1: 5: Luke 1: 15: and 1 Cor: 7: 15: And also that condemnation and death came upon all men according to G: W: is also according to scripture, see Rom: 12: 18, and so according to D: L. may not the scripture be charged with contradiction in that respect, as well as G: F: and G: W: Then, whereas G: F: said, all are not (mark [are not] which is in the present tense) dead in sins and trespasses, it doth not at all contradict what D. L▪ produceth as G. W's, that all were dead in sins and trespasses [were, being the time passed] (though by the way, let the Reader take notice, that I can find no such words, in the place cited by D. L, as G. W's, though I have searched for them) For those words of scripture being taken in the strictest sense viz, If one died for all than [were] all dead 2 Cor. 5: 14 yet it doth not follow that those which were sanctified from their Mother's womb, nor those which were passed from death to life [are] still dead: For as G: F's following words are, hwich D. L. hath left out, and hwich, had he inserted them, would have better explained G: F.'s; meaning They that are so are but unbeleivers. And where as it is said, death passed upon all men, it this be to be understood strictly, and without any 〈◊〉, how is it said of Enoch, That he was translated tha● 〈…〉 not see death Hebr. 11: 5. 〈…〉. 12 he quotes W: P.'s Christian Quaker, thus, Now nothing can bruise the head of the Serpent but something that is also internal, as the Serpent is; but if the body o● Christ were the seed, than could he not bruise the serpent's head in all, because the body of Christ is not so much as in any one &c Whom he would make T. Ellwood to oppose in Foundation of Tithes &c p. 2●8. 240, thus, Nor do the Quakers ascribe salvation to the following the light within, but to Christ Jesus, to whom the light leads— If any one expect Remission of sins by any other way than by the death of Christ renders the death of Christ useless. Answ. I do affirm if D: L, or any other, comes to know the serpent's head bruised in any measure, it must be by some thing internal, neither doth what T: E. hath said as above, any ways contradict it: For though we ascribe not our salvation [to our own following of Christ] who is the ●●ght of the world, according to: Tho. Ellwood, yet that follows not, but thath Christ the Light of the world is he thath bruises the Serpent's head, and to ascribe our salvation to Christ the light of the world, who appears internally, in order there to, is one thing, and to ascribe it to our works, which Tho. Ellwood and all sound Friends deny, is another thing. For although the Apostle know nothing by himself (which is a large degree of growth) yet there by he was not justified 1 Cor: 4: 4. Nevertheless the same Apostle saith, By grace ye are saved and thath not of Yourselves it is the gift of God Eph: 2: 8. Yet this is no contradiction. And though the Apostle saith We are reconciled by his death, yet he also saith, we are saved by his life Rom: 5: 10, which life is internal: For in him was life and the life was the light of men john. 1: 4. Neither do we read of any whom Christ hath forever pefected, but those who are sanctified Heb 10: 14. Now thath this doctrine of Christ the seed's bruising the head of the serpent inwardly, is owned by D. L's great Friend G: K, as well as by W: P, is clear from his Way cast up p: 99 not yet retracted, thus expessed, Though the outward coming of the man Christ, was deferred according to his outward birth in the flesh, for many years, yet from the beginning, this heavenly man, the promised seed, did inwardly [mark inwardly] come in to the heart, and bruise the head of the serpent. Come now D: L, if thou art impartial, as thou pretendest, and art not blinded with partiality and prejudice, lay this which thou idly callest a contradiction in W: P. and T: E, at G: K's door also: For here he owns the seed which bruises the serpent's head to be inward, as well as W: P; and that he owns the very same passage of T: E, may appear, by his bringing those two very quotations, to prove his doctrine consistent with Friends doctrine, in his book called Heresy and Hatred p: 9 His necxt lash is upon the matter answered by the foregoing: For as Christ the light is the salvation of all that believe, according to G : F; so we ascribe our salvation to him alone, according to T: E, and this is no contradiction, Alas poor Daniel! How far is he gone in to prejudice and blindness, to represent these things as unreconcilable: For upon this, he calls and cries out Come, let's see if T : Ellwood with all his sophistry and false glosses can reconcile these two assertions. Alas poor man! does he want to h●ve Sophistry and false glosses reconcile sound assertions, while he with his pretended motion heavenly counts them contradictions. But for the sake of some, I shall a little illustrate this matter, with this comparison: Suppose a subject were sentenced by his Prince, to be cast in to prison, for some great misdemeanour committed against. his person, yet the Prince commiserating his poo● condition, Finds out a way to save him, but upon this condition, that he humbly and thankfully receive the same, and no more live in disobedience to him. Now is not his Prince, in this case, by saving him from his deserved punishment, his Saviour, though he live for the future in all obedience to his Prince's commands; Yet he can not ascribe his being saved from the punishment incurred, to any thing but his Prince's clemencey and goodness. Eve● so, We Who Were once dead in our sins and trespasses, and had in curred the displeasure of God, ascribe our being saved out of that state, and from the punishment due thereto, to the mercy of God alone through Jesus Christ, but not to any of our own works. And now I must needs say, all this is more than D: L's. cevill deserved, and is indeed more in respect to others, than from any hopes I have of its working much effect upon him. I now follow him to his p: 14, were he citys Chr; Quaker by G : W: p. 212, The man's mistaken if he suppose that we plead for the Righteousness of a creature, [i: e: Christ as man] or man's own Righteousess, which he himself is enabled to perform, as the cause of our justification &c: To which D: L: opposes W: P 's: Serious Apology p: 148. Death came by actual sin, not imputative, therefore justifcation unto life came by actual Righteousness, not imputative: Upon which D: L: makes this Note, whether is the error of both these, ●● the contradiction greater: Answer, Whether in this matter, the palpable Forgery or ignorance of D: L: be the greater, is not hard to demonstrate, for my part, I cannot think he can be so ignorant, and therefore can count him no less rhan a base Forger, thus to foist in words of his own, thereby to misrepresent the words of G: W; as if when he Speaks of the Righteousness of a creature, he meant the Righteousness of Christ as man, Which words [Christ as man] D, L, hath added; for as they are not G: W's words, So neither are they coherent with the rest of the matter: Now what is this less than forgery? and a contrivance to render G: W, erroneous, as well as inconsistent with W: P: But to show that he is neither, I shall transcribe the passage as it is laid down in the book itself, that thereby it may be seen, Whether G, W's error or D. L's forgery be the greater: G: W's words are thus, 4thly The man's mistaken if he suppose that we plead either-the Righteousness of a creature, or man's own Righteousness, which he himself is enabled to perform, as the cause of our justification: for Christ that strengthens us or enables us, by his power and spirit dwelling in us, to do the Father's will, he is the ground and cause of our justification, and in him who is the beloved are we accepted, not merely for our own works or obedience, but for his sake, who worketh in us, and enables us to do those things which are well pleasing in his sight, Now is it not strange▪ that D, L, should be so infatuated, as to abuse and find fault with such sound doctrine; and so at present I shall leave it as such, but the forgery at Daniel Leeds' door, and come next to examine, whether it contradicts W: P: or not; for as he hath not shown us wherein, so I cannot see how he can find out his pretended contadiction, For as G: W: owns not man's own Righteousness which he is able to perform of himself, to be the cause of our Justification; so neither doth W: P. say or own that a man of himself is able to perform that actual Righteousness, which is necessary to justification, therefore no contradiction: But is it not as sound doctrine, to say justification comes by actual richteousness, as it is to say, that Abraham our Father was justified by works, when he offered up Isaac his Son James 2: 21. Now was not this his offering up his Son, an actual work, and is not Faith without works dead, v: 26? And surely a man is not justified by a dead faith: Now although a man is said, and that in a schriptural sense, to be justified by works, yet it is not for his works sake who worketh all our good works in us, and for us. I now must again call upon D: L. to be impartial, for if W: P. be guilty of error here, how can his Friend G: K. be sound? For it is one of the false doctrines he charges the New England Professors with; That justification is only by Christ's righteousness without us, imputed to us, and received by faith alone, and not by any righteousness of god and Christ infused into us, or wrought in us, see Presbyterian and Independent etc. p: 204, not yet retracted and in his Looking glass to the Protestants p: 31, he saith this is our faith, that we are justified by an inward righteousness wrought by the Spirit of God in our hearts. What Sayest thou now Daniel? Can W: P. be heterodox in this matter, and G: K. orthodox? Be impartial; for this of G: K's. is so far from being retracted, that it is by him implicitly justified in the Retractation book itself; For there he denies, that he hath retracted or renounced any one assertion in any one of his former books, that was judged by him an Article of faith, of which this about justification is one; for saith he: this is our faith, that we are justified by an inward Righteousness etc. His next flingh is grounded chiefly upon his abusing G: W's. words and meaning, as well as that he there in abuseth his Reader, by his forging words in G. W.▪ s name which are not G. W's. words; but his own as before is shown, and so I shall leave both these misrepresentations of G. W. charged to D. L's. account under the one head of Forgery. In the same 14th. page he citys W. P's Rejoinder p: 287, thus, No present work, how good soever, can justify any man from the condemnation which is due for the guilt of sin, that is past; To which he opposes Sandy Foundation p: 16, thus, God's remission is grounded on our repentance. Answer, Though W: P. says in the one book, No present work how good soever, can justify any man from the condemnation which is due for the guilt of sin that is past. Yet there is nothing in the other book, that (so much as consequentially) doth say it can: For though it is there said, That God's remission is grounded on our repentance; yet yet is to be observed, that it is called God's remission, and so no present work how good soever, of ours can either remit or justify us; for it is God's remission, and so called by W: P. And although W: P. saith, it is grounded upon our repentance, yet it is to be understood in a scriptural sense, and one of the scriptures which W: P. brought to prove what he asserted was 2 Chr. 30: 9 For if ye turn again unto the Lord, the Lord your God is gracious and merciful, and will not turn away his face from you. Where (saith W : P.) how natural is it to observe that God's remission is grounded on their repentance; and not that it's impossible to pardon, without a plenary satisfaction which was his then Antagonist's doctrine; and the several scriptures brought by W: P. prove clearly, that it was upon the wicked's returning again to the Lord, that he remitted them, had mercy on them, and abundantly pardonned them. Again p. 15 he quotes G. F's. Catechism p: 2 The light that shows to every man his evil deeds, is Christ. In opposition to which he produced W. P's Christian Quaker p: 91 We do not say that the light in every man is Christ, but of Christ. Answer: Thomas G: F. says, The light that shows to every man his evil deeds is Christ, yet W. P. says nothing to the contrary, so no cnotradiction. And this is certainly true, that the great Light that shows to every man his evil deeds is Christ, according to G: F., though the measure that is contained in every man, W: P. chooses here rather to call the light of Christ, than Christ in fullness. And G: K. himself in a late book entitled Heresy and Hatred p: 14. says The light within being God and Christ; and yet in the same page he calls it A real measure or the eternal word Christ Jesus. No question but this is sound enough in G: K. though it would scarce be so in us. He adds a citation out of G: F's Great mystery p: 185 viz The Devil teacheth them, in whom he fows his seed, not to have the light within them, the seed Christ, the Root of God. Upon which D: L. notes, Who must we believe, G: F. or G: W. and W: P.? For here G: F. holds the light within to be not only Christ, but even the Root of God. Answer, This is partly answered by the foregoing: And whereas G: F. calls the light, the seed Christ, it is according to Scripture, which says Christ is the Light of the world John 8: 12, and also it is said Gal: 3: 16 that the Seed is Christ; and whereas G: F. says so of the light within, it is no more than to say, and that in a scriptural sense, Christ within the hope of glory Coll. 1: 27. and yet in Ephe. 4: 7. it is said But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ; and surely D: L. will not say this is a contradiction. Besides, I remember that G: K. in a letter to John Delaval, which I have by me in G. K's hand writing, in the year 1692, saith; To say the man Christ is in us, or the light in us is the man Christ, I do not contradict it in a true scripture sense, as he is called the hidden man of the heart, and the new man, but this is a figurative expression, and that in a twofold respect: First by a Metaphor, or Allagory, as he is called a Lamb, a Lion. 2dly By a Sydechdoche of the giving the name of the whole to the measure. Now I say, if G. K. be thus allowed to distinguish, why may not G: F., G: W. and W: P. and as for G▪ F's. using this expression The ROOT of God? I ask Doth not Paul also use this expression? viz The Foundation of God? 2 Tim. 2: 19, and as Christ is God's Foundation for us to build upon; so also he is according to Rom: 11: 16: 17: 18 the root for us to grow upon. And G: K. in his Way cast up p: 114 says, That Christ is the Root and vine into which the Saints are grafted. As to the next clash, It is also partly answered by the foregoing; it relates to something G: F. said in answer to a Priest, who commonly in those days denied God and Christ to be in men according to scripture: Though in this case, I do confess the Priest's words were true in a sense, viz That whole Christ, God and Man is not in men; yet that God is in men is clear according to Scripture, and that Christ is in men is clear according to Scripture, and that Christ is in men, not only as he is God, but also as man, is clear according to D: L's. great Friend G. K. who in his Way cast up p. 123 saith That Christ is really present in and among us, not only as he is God, but also as he is man. Now since Christ as he is God dweller in us according to Scripture, and as he is man he dwelleth in us according to G▪ K. as he is God and man is he not the whole Christ. Yet that he doth so dwell in us, as that the whole fullness of the Godhead and manhood, is contained in men; I believe, neither G. F. nor G. K. did own, any more than W▪ P. Besides, G. F. answer to the Priest was but by way of query, which does not always conclude a judgement: For when Christ asked the Pharisees, what think ye of Christ? whose son is he? they said unto him, The son of David; Christ answered by way of query, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord Matt. 22. 42: 43. Now by this his answer, Christ did not deny himself to be the Son of David; for that would have contradicted the scripture, which calls him the son of David etc. Matt. 1: 1. And so G. F's. ask a question, cannot be said to be a denial of W. P's. assertion, therefore no contradiction. I come now to his p: 17: 18, to what he citys from G. F about the soul. To which I say, 1st. It hath been often answered by our Friends, particularly G. W. and W. P. 2dly Though D. L. slights their answers, counting them fallacious etc. Yet his peculiar Friend G. K. hath but in the year 1692 vindicated, both G. F. doctrine about the soul, and also W. P's. answers to the Professors, about the very same subject of G. F.'s., which D. L. citys; see his Serious appeal p: 60, not yet retracted, where it may be seen, that what D. L. calls in G. W. and W. P. Fallacious equivocation, his Friend G. K. calls a Sufficient vindication. Now what curious wire drawing will D, L. use here, to clear himself from contradicting his great Friend G. K. But since among so many learned and Wise men, there have been so many opinions about the Soul, unless he could define better than other folks what the Soul is, and what the Breath of life is which God breathed into man, by which he became a living Soul, his raking up seeming contradictions about it tends to no bodies profit that I know of. As for what he tells us of the Raniers saying, The Soul is a part of God; therefore to talk of going to hell is an idle story; is very idle in D. L. to cite. For I do believe, as man continued a living soul to God, by virtue of that life which God breathed into him, and as he is restored thereto again by Christ, in that state Hell is not his portion: Yet till then the Soul is not living to God, but death and hell is its portion; for the Soul simply is one thing, and its being a living soul to God, is surely another thing. In p: 18: 19 he citys G, F, again thus, Great Mystery, p, 205 and p. 63. The Saints came to see the end of Sabbaths and New-Moons, and witnessed the body, Christ, before the day was made— for the body is the light of the world, the body is the life given for the life of the World, in whom there is rest — Christ gave himself, his body, for the life of the World; he was the offering for sin. Now D. L., to make W. P. contradict G F▪ quotes out his Serious Apology p. 146 as follows, But that the outward person that suffered was properly the Son of God, We utterly deny — A Body best thou prepared me, said the Son; sot he Son was not the Body, though the body was the Son's Upon which says D▪ L. Let W P. reconcile these, and also tell us who is the Father of that outward person. Answ Easily reconciled: For as W: P. denies the outward person to be properly the son of God; so G: F's▪ words, as here laid down by D: L, do import the same: For he being there answering a Priest, who was mightily crying up the outward Sabbath, which according to scripture, was a shadow of things to come Coll 2. 16: 17 directed him to Christ the substance, or body of that shadow, and said, the body is the life of the world, and the light of the world etc. Now what is this to W: P's saying, The outward person is not properly the son of God: For surely, the body, which is the substance of the shadowy things under the law, is Christ indefinitely, which G: F. calls the light of the world etc. But what W: P. meant, was restricted to his outwatd visible person only; which surely none will say, that that of its self was properly the light and life of the world: so that what W: P. and G. F. both do say is true, and therefore no contradiction. And doth not D. L. know, that the words [body of Christ] have various significations in scripture? As, first his Church is called his body Coll 1. 18. The bread of the passover is called his body by Christ himself Matt 26 26. And that which suffered on the cross was also his body. Again the substance of shadowy ordinances (which is Christ is called the body, which was the body in G. F's. sense, in this place mentioned by D. L. And where as D. L. would know of W. P, who is the Father of that outward person? I presuming that W. P hath matters of more weight to exercise himself in, than to answer such sort of cavilling folks, shall therefore undertake to tell him, and that according to scripture, He was the son of. David Matth. 1. 1 and as Paul said to the Romans 1: 3 He was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; which was the outward person W. P. meant Well! but how was he the son of God: why the next verss show, viz And dedared to be the son of God, with power according to the spirit of holiness etc. And now I cannot but often observe, how D. L. by his striking thus against the Quakers, does often hit his Friend G. K. a grievous box on the ear; for in The Way cast up p. 104. G. K. saith, He was the son of Mary, David and Ahraham according to the flesh; but according to his heavenly nature, even as man, he was the son of God. And in p. 102 he saith, It is not the outward flesh and blood, that is the man— but it is the sold or inward man, that dwelleth in the outward flesh and blood, that is the man most properly, such as Christ was from the beginng. Surly now if D L. be impartial, he must take in in G. F's. errors in his next anniversary book. D. L. falls upon W. P. again p. 19 quoting his Reason against Railing p. 91 as follows Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our Debtors, were, (saith he) nothing can be more obvious, than that which is forgiven, is not paid; and if it is our duty so forgive without a satisfaction received, and that God is to forgive us, as we forgive them, than is a satisfaction totally excluded. Now to make as if he contradicts himself he citys rejoinder p. 284. where saith D. L. W. P. citys and defends, We believe that Christ in us doth offer up a living sacrifice to God for us, by which the wrath of God is appeased to us. Where upon saith D. L. Note a self contradiction, for in the one he totally excludes a satisfaction, and in the other he grants it Answer. Can D. L. be impartial here in? Does he not know, that where W. P: denies it as a payment of a debt, it is in the Presbyterian, rigid sense, to wit That man having transgressed the righteous law of God, and so exposed to the penalty of eternal wrath, it's altogether impossible for God to remit or forgive without a plenary satisfaction; and that there was no other way by which God could obtain satisfaction, or save men, than by inflicting the penalty of infinite wrath and vengeance on Jeuss Christ the second person of the Trinity, who for sins past, present and to come, hath wholly born and paid it, to the offended infinite justice of his Father: see W. P 's: very words Sandy Foundation p. 16, of which I shall speak more when I come to his Numb: 30: But as to Christ offering up in us, by which the wrath of God is appeased to us, W, P, expleans in the next paragraph, to wit that Christ offers himself in his children in the nature of a Me▪ diatory Sacrifice; And further saith Christ as a Mediator can atone in the consciences of his People at what time they fall under any miscarriage if they unseignedly repent according to 1 John 2, 1, 2. etc. Now it is one thing to appease the wrath of God or man in a Mediatory way, and quite another thing to pay the debt that's due in such a strict sense as aforesaid. So that though W, P, denied such a satisfaction to be made in one book; yet he did neither expressly nor consequently own it in the other; therefore no contradiction. Now whereas D, L. asks How many thousand offerings this new Scripture makes of Christ; as many Saints, so many times Christ offers himself up a Sacrifice, For this I shall refer him to his great Friend G, K, for satisfaction, if any thing besides abusing the Quakers will satisfy him, see G, K's Way Cast up not yet retracted where in p, 157, 158, he holds that Christ is a Mediator in the Saints, and that his Spirit as man, prayeth and maketh intercession on to God in the Saints, and citys Rom, 8 for it, Now dare D, L. say, that the praying of Christ is not an offering and living Sacrifice to God; and G, K. saith Christ hath done so from the beginning, by whom the children of God in all ages have received grace from God, And in p, 109 G, K. tells how Paul Preached Christ to the Galatians, in the time of their Heathenism, cruicified in them, and citys Gal, 3 5 6 Now let G. K. tell D, L. how many crucifyings of Christ there is, so many heathen, so many times Christ crucified, But I say again, prejudice blinds man, Well now to make G, F, contradict W, P, in this matter, in his Numb, 30, he quotes Great Mystery p 63, thus Christ gave himself, his body for the life of the world, he was the offering for the sins of the Whole world, and paid the debt, and made satisfaction, To which he implicitly opposes W, P. as before, to wit, that a satisfaction is totally excluded, and what is forgiven is not paid. Answ. What G: F. said was in answer to a Priest that said, Every man should not have his sins pardonned; Which G. F. did not deny, but told, how Christ gave himself an offering for the sins of the World, and that he had enligthned every man coming into the World, that all through him might believe and (which was enough to show, that though all man had not their sins pardonned, yet all were put into such a capacity, as that they might have their sins pardonned, in as much as) Christ had offered himself for all (which many of the Professors at that time dinyed) and which offering the Father was well pleased with, and satisfied in, and so in that sense he made satisfaction, according to G. F., & which W: P. in that very book viz Sandy Foundation p: 32 did really own viz That Christ in life, doctrine and death, fulfilled his Father's will, and offered up a most satisfactory Sacrifice, but not (said he) to pay God, or help him, as being otherwise unable to save men. So that here we find W: P. owns Christ's satisfaction, as well as G: F., therefore still their faces look not contrary (rightly understood) as D: L. would, and does represent them. Well but G: F. says, Christ paid the debt, and W: P. says, what is forgiven is not paid. Now to this I say, That Christ paid the debt, so far as that in a scriptural sense, the Father for his sake was satisfied, and well pleased whit it on our account, is true; For he gave himself a ransom for all. 1 Tim. 2: 6. this is Scripture: But, that God could not pardon, except he was fully paid the debt, by a plenary satisfaction made by another; and which was what W. P. did deny, is unscriptural. For it is said Micha 7: 18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and in Exody 34. 6: 7. The Lord God, merciful and gracious, long suffering and abundant in Goodness and Truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity ' transgressions and sin. So that it is not rational, to say, that a Transgressor is pardohned, and yet the transgression fully satisfied for by another, who the Presbiterians said, was the second Person in he Trinity: For then mankind would be obliged only to the second person, because the first was fully paid, and it was only against this Notion that W. P's. struck, and I do not see that he contradicts G. F. in it, unless the scripture contradicts itself; for the scripture abundantly speaks of God's forgiving us and pardoning our sins, according to W. P. and the scripture saith also in plain words, that Christ bathe redeemed us and given himself a ransom for all, and in this sense it is according to G. F. viz made satisfaction. His Numb: 55 being to the like effect which the foregoing, I account sufficiently answered by what I have already said upon this subject: I shall now take notice, how in many places of his book, he idly and sillily slants at G. W. about these words of his viz. I may see cause otherways to word the matter, and yet our intentions be the same; for which he citys Counterfeit Convert p: 72, and then he cries out in p. 21 Is this like the ancient simplicity of a Quakers Pray who knows when such a man is sincere, or how to relieve him in what he says, that thus hides his meanings says one thing, an means another? Answ. Truly I think D. L. hath not been enviously poring all this while in our Friends books for nothing. Pray, who but a man meddled in his senses would make such a palpably ridiculous use of G: P's: innocent words? As if to say, I may se ecause other wise to word the matter, and yet intent the same thing, be equivalent which D: L's, application, viz, to say one thing and mean another: For since he (G: W) intends the same thing, how does he mean another thing? But what a doltish man is this? Is it not common for men (yea have not the best of men done it) to word a matter other wise, and yet intent the very same, as they did at first wording? Let him see how Luke words the matter, in giving account of some of Christ's, last words to his diciples, where he saith thus, And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power sromon high Luke 24: 49. Now compare this with the account he gives of the same thing Acts. 14, and see if he do not otherwise word the matter, and yet intent the same thing, for there he hath it thus, And being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not departed from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father which, saith he, ye have beard of me. And many such like instances may be sound in scripture; but lest D. L. should dislike scripture instances under pretence of their being corrupted, I will give him one out of his Friends G. K's. late book of Explanations and Retractations, not again retracted as I hear of yet, let him Look in p. 5. where G. K. saith Though I cite scripture and make use of them in arguing this point, yet I can truly say I have not my knowledge from them. Note, this he citys out of his book entitled Immediate Revelation p. 54. which he here explains, by other wise wording the m●tter, thus Here note, I say from them, as being the efficient cause etc. Now though he here otherwise word the matter, yet his intention are still the same; For he saith himself in the same place, What I then hold; meaning, what he held in 1668, he held in 1697, though he have other wise worded the matter. But what Author shall I fetch to convince D. L. better than himself: For in this very book of his, p. 33, he finding fault with and ridiculing G: W, about his charging a contradiction upon John Newman, says D: L, Pray judge if this (meaning Newman's assertions) ●e any more than to say four pence in one place, and a groat in another: Importing, that to be one and the same thing, and so indeed it is: Therefore, weather to say four pence in one place, be not one way, and agroat in another place, be not another way of wording the matter, and yet intent the same thing? We see D. L. has resolved in the affirmative. I come next to his p. 25. where he citys G. W. again Divinity of Christ p. 82. in these words while we were sinners. Christ, died for us, it was Christ that died. To which he sopposes John Whitehead▪ s Refuge Fixed p. 38. thus Nothing that was mortal was called Christ. Answ. What John W●●e head wrote, he declares tw●● as being eclxasive of the soul and spirit of Christ, and we know, exclusive from the sold and spirit, his flesh was called the body of Jesus, as it is said Joseph of Arimathea begged [the body] of Jesus; and this was mortal and died: But as whilst living, his Godhead soul and spirit was united to that body, so when that body died, it was called the death of Christ, though his Godhead soul and spirit died not. so that if exclusive there from his body was properly and entirely the Christ, than Christ was not from the beginning: But we believe according to scripture, that Christ was from the beginning, and that the Rock that followed Israel in the Wilderniss, was Christ 1 Cor 10: 4. and yet also, according to scripture, he took on him the body that was mortal, and that which he suffered in that body, was also called the sufferings of Christ; For as much (saith the Apostle) then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh etc. 1 Pet 4: 1. And though the scripture calls its suffering, the death of Christ; yet it also implies, that Christ was that day in Paradise Luke 23 43, though that which was mortal was in the grave till three days after. As to his comparing our Friends writings to those Priests, whom Samuel Fisher in his Rusticus p: 773. for their inconsistent arguments against our Friends, twits with his rounds of No: so: so: no &c. I shall only say thus much, that I hope I have showed, and yet shall show here in that there is no comparison to be made between them: For the occasion of Samuel Fisher's so treating the priests, was the so different terms they at times gave to the light (which D: L. may disprove if he can) whereupon (says S: F. One while he calls it meaphorical not proper, another while proper not metaphorical, one while natural as opposite to civil and not moral, spiritual not supernatural, another while, and in other respects he makes it civil, moral and spiritual, one while common to all, universal, but then not saving, other while sufficient and saving, but then particular only, and particular to a few. This with much more was what S. F. grounded his No. so. so. No. etc. upon, which D: L. should not have concealed from his Reader; But it is no wonder a man should do so, who strives for victory more than truth. Again, in p 30. 31. he citys G. F's Great Mystery p 289. thus God was in Christ, and they are one, the Creator; the father in the son and the Son in the father, and Christ in you, and God in Christ, the Creator. And Quakers Plainness p. 24. by G▪ W, The son is co— worker with the Father. To these he opposes G. W's Light and Life p 47 as follows viz What nonsense is this to tell of God being co— Creator with the Father? Where upon D. L. makes this, Note Does not G. W. here accuse both G. F. and himself also, with Non sense? for what's the difference between Co— worker and Co— Creator? Answ. As blind as D: L. renders me in his p: 45. about the Resurrection, yet I shall show him, that I can see a great deae of difference may be betwixt a Co— worker and a Co— Creator. For the saints were Co— workers together with Christ; but surely they cannot be said to be Co— Creators with him; And though Christ being man as well as God may be said to be Co-worker with the Father; yet to tell of God being Co▪ Creator with the Father does (as G. W. says) imply two Gods. And what G. F. said of Gods being in Christ, and they are one, the Creator; the Father in the son and the Son in the Father etc. is true and scriptural and it brings him no ways under accusation of G. W. as this quarrel▪ picker would render him. In his p: 37. he quotes R. B.'s Apology p: 95. in these words viz Wherefore as we believe he (Christ) was a true and real man; so we also believe that he continues so to be glorified in the heavens in soul and body. Upon which D. L. notes W. P. saith, Christ as man was finite, viz. came to an end. But here R. B. says, he continues a real man in soul and body and so is not finite. And then D. L. says Choose which of these you will believe. Answ. Not D. L. to be sure That Christ continues a real man etc. is true according to scripture, as well as according to Robert Barclay: But that therefore he as man is not finite, it follows not. For D. L. continues to be a real man for aught I hear, yet he is finite; But to be sure R. B's. meaning was that Christ as man was to continue without end: Well the same is believed likewise concerning the Saints, yet are they finite for all that: But whereas D. L. tells us that W. P. says, Christ was finite viz came to an end, it is a great abuse upon W: P and great untruth in D: L, for W: P, hath no such words, vis came to an end, as D: L, wickedly renders it to insense the world, as ●● W: P, believed that the man Christ was come to an end, An Abominable Forgery I come In The last paragraph I conviected D L of a great forgery, and now in this I am about to convict him of another, as great. In his Number 58 he citys G W's, Divinity of Christ p: 27 thus, The God whom we serve and believe in, is infinite, the only wi●e God, and nothing relating to him, or his being, finite. Against which he brings W, P thus Sandy Foundation p: 20 W. P, there calls the man Christ The finite impotent creature. Answ I must needs desire the Reader to take notice of the great heat D. L. hath imposed upon him, and the great abuse he hath put upon W. P, here in, in saying that he calls the man Christ, The finite and impotent creature, and there upon in divers places bestowing his discanting sort of vaunts and taunts upon W. P. after such a rate, as if he had a sicence to abuse men at pleasure. As first, in the same page he saith, Here I cannot but take notice, that though W: P. blasphemously calls the Man Christ, the finite impotent creature etc. And in p. 39 he speaks again of W: P's calling Christ's whole man, the finite impotent creature. And in p. 39 he speaks again of W: P's calling Christ's whole man, the finite impotent creature And a little lower, he ironically hath it thus The man Christ must be called, The finite impotent creature▪ by this high and elevated dust and as his W. Penn. Nay he is so fond of the lie, that when he comes to p. 24. he hath it again, thus, I cannot but mind W: P's devised distinction, and unscriptural expression [if it were no worse] in calling the man Christ The finite and impotent creature etc. Now Reader do but behold how this D: L. has made a man of straw, and then fights with it: For I do affirm there is no such saying, or irreverent expression, in the whose book, as that the man Christ is a finite and impotent creature, No, neither expressly, nor implicitly, nor so much as consequentially. By which it may be clearly enough see●, that D L. was not influenced to this work by a Mo●ion heavenly; and well would it have been for him, if he said no more in the case, than what by a little otherwise wording matter, he could have made out to have been (in the main at least) the truth: But Alas poor Daniel! The case is otherwise with him; for no otherwise wording the matter will do here, he can do no less in justice, than according to the example of his friend G: K. (who has retracted will out cause) to openly and freely retract it (he having so much cause so to do) or else it will assuredly lie hard at his door, and likewise prove as hard to make good his assertion in the close of his preface that his proceeding here in (viz in his book) were good and sincere. Well in p: 140 he again citys G: F's Great Mystery p: 222 thus Priest says, Christ is without the saints, in respect of his bodily presence G: F. answers, How then are they of his flesh and bone. And the D: L. brings in W: P. thus, Christian Quaker p 9● The body of Christ is not so much as in any one. Upon which D: L. notes, That W: P. is still clashing against G: F, all most on every hand. Answ. It is clear that the body meant by W: P. was the visible body of flesh and blood etc. (in which sense I can hardly believe D: L. thinks that G: F, meant that that visible body is in us▪ however G F's following words show that purport of this passage, to wit, And eat his flesh and drink his blood, and how have saints his mind and spirit, and he with them, and they with him, and sit with him in heavenly places, and he is the head of the Church: How then is he absent? etc. Thus G▪ F▪ by which it appears to me, that the reason of this his answer was, because the Priest would not allow that Christ was in us, by reason his bodily outward presence is absent from us Besides, G▪ F, did but query, and G▪ K, saith in his Truth Defence p▪ 59▪ That to query a thing will not conclude the Questionist doth positively affirm or deny. In the same page he offers a quotation out of W▪ P▪ s▪ rejoinder p▪ 13▪ viz▪ That [Christ] his coming was but [mark but] to bring the World to a more improved knowledge and large enjoyment of that divine power, wisdom, life and righteousness which former ages had, comparatively, but an obscure sight and imperfect sense of▪ To oppose which he citys Truth's Principles by I Crook; If Christ had not died▪ manasses must have perished in sin this being the way, found out by God, to recover him. Upon which D▪ L, notes Here's one Christian he grants the merit of Christ's coming and death: But W. P, makes the benefit of his coming, to be no more but ●o show man more plain what he see before as through a glass etc. Answ. O strange! How soon has D▪ L, forgot himself? For in his quoting W▪ P, he makes him to own and assert, that Christ's coming was as well to bring the World to a more large enjoyment of life [mark enjoyment of life] as well as power and Righteousness; But in his Note she saith, W, P▪ makes the benefit of his coming to be no more [mark no more] but to show man more plain what he saw before etc. As if there were no difference between seeing and enjoying. I think what W. P, said in the matter is very comprehensive, as to the end of Christ's coming, to wit, to give the World a more clear knowledge of him, and to cause us to enjoy life by him, For I am come [saith Christ] that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly john. 10. 1● And surely Christ did not intent by this, that we should have life without respect to his dying for us, and rising again etc. Neither did W. P. So D. L. is here again pinched ●oo hard, to squeeze out a Contradiction. Again in p 41. he citys W. P's Address to Protestants p: 119 Let us (saith he) but soberly consider what Christ is, and we shall the better know whether moral men are to be reckoned Christians: What is Christ but meekness, justice, mercy patience, charity and virtue in perfection? Upon which D. L. makes this note viz Thomas; W. P. allegorizes Christ, and makes him nothing but virtues, yet his Brother G. W. tells W▪ Harwoth (as above) that Christ is something else, viz, a man, consisting of spirit soul and body, the same body as died etc. Answ. The more wickedly done then of D. L. in his p 23. very falsely to accuse G. W. of saying, Christ has not the body of man, yet now rather than he will want any thing that may make up his pretended contradiction to W. P▪ he now freely assents, that G: W. owned Christ to have both spirit soul and body, which surely make up a complete man. And W: P's enumerating what Christ is as to virtues, and that he has all those virtues in perfection, does no ways deny him to be a man, consisting of body, soul and spirit, according to G. W: No, it was only to show, that those who are in measure thus Christ like qualified, are not to be denied all share in Christianity, as the book plainly shows, And though he says What is Christ out meekness, justice etc. denies him not to be a man consisting of spirit soul and body, any more than Paul's saying, Who then is Paul? and who is Apollo? but ministers [mark, but ministers] by whom ye believed, Cor. ●: 5, denies himself to be a Tent maker Acts 18. 3 But D▪ L▪ s design is for mischief, and he ventures to act it, at what ●ate he pleaseth. In p. 44 he quotes The Christi●n Quaker by G▪ W▪ p 375. as follows, viz, That this th●●● tends to 〈◊〉, and to make men Atheists, viz other men's self confidence in asserting things contrary to reason and manifest experience, and in particular, in their affirming that these self same terrestrial bodies of flesh and bones shall be made spiritual, immortal and incorruptible. 'tis true (says G: W) Hen: More had finer and more excellent notions about the Resurrection, than many other learned men, and aimed at the truth and spirituality there of, from the vision of the holy men recorded in the scriptures. And then in order to make G: W. oppose himself, as he would seem to suppose, he offers a quotation out of p. 372 of the same book viz this manner, viz G: W. citys H: More about the Resurrection, saying, Flesh and blood can not in herit the kingdom of God; and I think (says he) there is the same reason of flesh and bones, viz. I understand natural flesh and bones, not glorified. Thus he citys G: W. and then adds this Note, G: W. commends this notion of H: More, as savouring of truth and spirituality, and yet renders those Atheists that believe the same; for H: More does not here deny the Resurrection of the same body that dyeth, only understands it must be glorified. Answ. Here he has abused G: W. by leaving out the last part of his words; for after the words immortal and incorruptible G: W. adds, and yet the same for matter and substance, which words he has skipped over I suppose because they did not suit his purpose. Then he saith in his note G: W. commends this notion of H: More as savouring of truth and spirituality; Whereas G: W. says not such thing of him, as appears by Daniel Leeds own quotation before produced. It is true, he said, he had finer and more excellent notions, and aimed at the truth etc. Which much differs from savouring of it; a man may aim at a thing, which he may never come so near to, as to ●i●e of or savour. And where as he saith, H More does not deny the Resurrection of the same body that dyeth. Neither doth he show that G. W. does so; it▪ s true, G. W. seems to oppose the notion of the self same terrestrial body of flesh and bones being made spiritual, immortal and incorruptible, and yet he the same for matter and supstance ● as now they are (which last words [and yet be the same for matter and substance] D: L. has very unfairly left out, to pervert G: W's real intentions▪ Besides, how doth it appear, that Henry More doth not deny the Resurrection or the same body that dyeth; Hear what G: W. hath cited out of his works in p. 373 of the Christian Quaker viz I dare challenge him to produce any place of scripture, out of which he can make it appear, that the mystery of the Resurrection implies a Resuscitation of the same numerical body. The most pregnant of all is, Job 19 which later Interpreters are now so wise as not to understand at all of the Resurrection: The 1 Cor. 15, that chapter is so far from asserting this curiosity, that it plainly says▪ it is not the same body; but that as God gives to the bl●des of corn grains quite distinct from that which was sown, so at the Resurrection he will give the soul a body quite different from that which was buried, as different as a spiritual body is from a natural body, or an heavenly from an earthly. Thus far▪ Henry More as cited by G: W. in the said Christian Quaker. Now how far H: M. doth own or deny the Resurrection of the same body that dyeth, may be easily guessed at, not witstanding D: L's confident assertion that he doth not deny it. And now having traced and detected this does ingenious, unfair envious and conceited man through the divers quotations before specified, wherein he would charge our Friends with contradictions, I think this sufficient with any reasonable man to invalidate the credit of the res●. Neither, in deed, have I all the books he offers his pretendedly contradictory quotations out of to examine, and he having justly forfeited his credit, in divers passages before mentioned, I think it not worth my while to set pen to paper, to enervate those suppositions citations, wherein his stained reputation must be relied upon, for the faithful quoting thereof: I shall therefore only further take notice of three very obvious abuses put upon G: W. and W: P, as a corrobocrating proof of my above charge, and then leave this chapter of pretended contradictions, and proceed to the next. The saint. in his ●3d. page, and is this G: W's. Nature of Christianity p. 29 Christ has not the body of man. Answ. Now, as there is no such word, so neither can any such thing be justly deduced from what G: W. there wrote: that subject of which he treated in that place being not at all wether Christ had the body of man or not, but about the manner of his saving and justfying men, which G: W. would not have R. Gordon to expect, should be as he imagined in his book p: 30, viz, That Christ as the Son of Mary should outwardly appear, in a bodily existence, to save: But here's not one word of denying Christ to have the body of man, as D: L. falsely citys him, and sure it's one thing for Christ to appear to save men by his engrafted word, which is able to save the Soul, james. 1. 21, which the Quakers press people to come to witness; and an other thing to say, Christ has the body of man, outwardly to come on the last day, to reward every man according to his works, which the Quakers also believe. Then 2dly in the same page D: L. citys the same book in p. 41; thus, paraphrasing upon it. And in p. 41. he denies Christ's bodily existence without us. Answ. There is no such word neither; But G: W. speaking of R: G▪ s pretended adoration, and claim of salvation, being to Christ, only as the son of Mary, existing outwardly and bodily without us: There upon G: W. saith I ask him if he have so considered. God the saviour, or the Son from the substance of the Father; and then he asks him What scripture proof he hath for Christ's existing outwardly bodily without us at God's right hand. By all which it plainly appears, that G. W. only opposed those terms (viz) Christ existing outwardly bodily without us, because, that would seem to exclude his being as he is God, and as he is in men; and therefore says to R. G. And is Christ the saviour as an outward bodily existence or person without us distinct from God, and upon that consideration to be worshipped as God, yea or nay. etc. Now though G. W. opposes R. G's. doctrine of Christ's being or existence to be outwardly and bodily without us; yet it does not at all follow from thence, that he believes, Christ hath not a body, that hath a being or existence without us. It is one thing to maintain, that Christ the Saviour of the World hath a body existing without us which G. W. denied not; and another thing to hold or maintain, that that bodily existence itself is Christ the saviour of the world, which (and no less) R. G ' s. words seem to import. The outward bodily existence of a man cannot be said strictly to be the man, for them when it dies, and the bodily existence is put off, the man would, cease to be. And where it is said of Christ, that he bore oursins in his own body on the three 1 Pet. 2. 24; It might as well be said, that the body bore our sins on his own body on the tree. So that to conclude, I say it is a manifest falsehood in D. L, to say that G. W. denies Christ's bodily existence without us. Christ's body doth exist without us: Yet that bodily outwardly existence is not the Christ, without his soul spirit and God head. And 3dly D: L. in p. 25 falsely charges W: P. in these words; And says W: P. We deny that person that died at Jerusalem to be our Redeemer: Referring to W: P▪ s Apology p: 146. Answ. These are not the words of W P, but of his Adversary Jenner cited by W. ●. in the aforesaid book. Jenner having thrown it upon the Quakers as their principle, W. P. in answer thereto calls it a ho●r●d imputation, and then acknowledges in these express words: That he who laid down his life, and suffered his body to be crucified by the Jews, without the gates of Jerusalem, is Christ the only begotten son of the most high God. and though he there denies the outward person that suffered properly to be the son of God, yet the stress o● the m●tte● 〈◊〉 only upon the word [outward] by which W. P. meant his outward body; as is clear from his following words viz A body hast thou prepared me, said the son, than said W. P. The son was not the body though the body was the sons. And if D. L. should say The body was the son the● this absurdity will follow viz Christ bore our sins in his own son (instead of his own body on the tree. And if D. L. say, the outward person was properly the son of God, and yet will be impar●tial, then let him fall upon G. K. for asserting; That it is not the outward Flesh and Blood that is the man— but it is the soul or inward man that dwelleth in the outward flesh or body that is the man most properly such as Christ had from the beginning: As his express words are in his Way Cast up p. 102. not yet retracted. But whether he will believe his peculiar friend G. K. or not, to be sure he has belied W. P, as above is shown, and it is not his pleading ● little failure in Syntax, a thing he banteringly accuses G. W. within his book; no, nor otherwise wording the matter neither, will do, without an open and free Retraction of these his abuses. Furthermore; having (after I had proceeded a good way in this work) met with the book called, The Quakers Plainness I have therein found fresh cause to take a little further notice of D. L's. perfidiousness, which I purpose a little more to detect before I proceed to any other matter; see News of a Trumpet Numb 5. where he hath it thus; S●ndy Founda. p: 15 W. P. saith In the fullness of time [God] sent his son, who so many hundred years since in person restified the virtue etc. Now to make G. W. contradict this, he quotes Quakers Plainess p. 24. (affirming that G. W. saith The title person is too low and unscriptural to give to the Christ of God. Now Reader, that thou may see how unfairly▪ D. L. hath laid down G. W. words, taken them as laid down by himself, thus That Christ is not a person without ●s p: 21. is our doctrine or phrase that I know of or remember; only that the title is thought too low and unscriptural, to give to the Christ of God, many men having gross apprehensions about the phrase [Person without] But Christ is confessed us, both as without us, and within us. Well! Where is the contradiction in all this? Why here; W. P, says, That God sent his son so many hundred years ago in person; and G. W, says The title [person without] is thought too, low and unscriptural to give to the Christ of God. Mark, person without us, was what was thought too low to be spoken concerning the son of God, it was not thought too low for it to be said of him, that so many hundred year since he appeared in person: For it is one thing to say, That the son so many hundred years ago appeared in person, and another thing to say, That the son, or Christ of God is a person without us, especially when it is spoken in opposition to those who deny him to be within us. For though we sincerely believe Christ to be in heaven without us, yet we also believe, according to scripture, that he is within us the hope of glory and that if Christ be not in us we are Reprobates. Now whether D. L, will reckon the title [person without us] too low to give to the Christ of God or not yet to be sure it is unscriptural; For though it is clear the scripture speaks of Christ in us in more express words than it doth of Christ without us, yet we believe him to be without us also; But to sum up the matter, two omishons of D L's, in this quotation out of G W▪ s book manifest his baseness as any intelligent Re●da● may observe, the rectifying of which by inserting them very much altars the case, as ●● he leaves out the woras [without us] and 2dly He makes G. W, to say The title person is too low, where as his words are, The title person is thought too low, so that that qualifying word [thought] being here omitted 'tis unfarily done of D. L. I come now to his secon● Chapterent it used Opposition ●● Unity, and having (as I hinted before) since I finished my answer to what he calls Contradictions met with G W▪ s, ●ook 〈◊〉 The Quakers Plainness I shall examine the use he makes of some of it in the said Chapter. In p: ●7. 48. he brings in G. W, laying down some o● the M●ggletonians false doctrines and then endeavours to show that G W, holds the same, my present business therefore is to show D L's, folly in so doing. The first of Muggletons' doctrines that he brings out is That death took Christ's soul into it, and that Christ's soul died when the body died. Now to show that we hold the same he turns us to his Numb, 37. 38, 39, Where (saith he) they deny the body to be Christ, and that it was Christ that died— And that both body and soul was sacrificed. see Numb. 42. Answ. First, If the body was properly the Christ how was it said, That by Christ God made the Worlds, Heb. 1: ● since it was many thousand years after the world was made ere Christ took up that body. 2dly If the body was properly the Christ how is it that Christ said to the Thief on the Cros● To day shalt thou be with me in paradise Luke 23. 43: Since joseph begged his body and laid it in a Sepulchre v. 52: 53: from whence it risen not until the third day ch. 24, v. 6, And as for their saying, it was Christ that died, it is no more than the Apostle saith in express, words How that Christ died for our esins 1. Cor: 15: 3: So that D L as really quarrelling with the scriptures as with us. And what if G W declares, That Christ's soul was sacrificed? doth not Isaiah speak of God's making his soul an offering for sin see ch. 53. v, 10? What can be a plainer proof? Yet it doth not follow that his soul died; But if D L say otherwise, than it is he and not we that holds those Muggletonian doctrines; however I am sure we do not And so having done with this, I shall pass the rest of this chapter all is it being pretty much of a sort, and it being not my intention to answer every paragraph in the book, as I have already told my Reader, and given him a very good reason too, viz because I have not many of the books by me out of which he produces his quotations to examine them by; neither would it be necessary if I had, since with any unbyassrd persons I must ●eeds have spoiled his credit, in laying open the unfairness and forgeries he is guilty of in the beforegoing. I shall now proceed to his third Chapter, which I find much like his former, it being grounded upon his not being willing to distinguish, in ascriptural sense, between Christ as he was from the beginning, and as he came in the body in the fullness of time. As for what he here saith of John Whitehead, I refer the Reader to Tho. Ellwood's book, Called Truth Defended etc. p. 124. As for his saying, That The true christians believe that the true Christ hath a body of flesh and bones etc. To this I answer, That how, or after what manner, Christ's body is now in heaven I shall by no means undertake to determine ' it being (I believe) a 'bove the capacity of us Mortals so to do: But I shall tell D. L. that he hereby brings his great friend G. K. under his censure of not being a true Christian; for G: K. expressly saith of Christ's body, that, It is no more a body of flesh blood and bone, but a pure Aethereal heavenly body, see Way cast up p. 131 not retracted. Then, for his bantering W: P. about his calling Christ's body holy: saying Can this be other than hypocrisy?" for as is noted at Numb 49 50, he holds the body to be earthly and perishing. I would have the Reader note, it proceeds from W: P's vindicating this saying so Jsaac" Peningtons' ' That which Christ took upon him was but the garment of our nature, which is of an earthly and perishing nature. To which I answer, That Christ's body was a holy body according to W. P. Surely D. L. will not deny; Yet that it was the garment of our nature is not (me thinks) hard to make out: For it is said Heb: 2: 14 For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same [Mark of the same] Now how it is the same, if not of the same nature, for my part I know not; though Christ defiled not his nature by sin, as we have done ours, is Certain; and there fore a holy body according to W▪ P: Yet in as much as he took on him the seed of Abraham, he surely took on him our nature, unless the seed of Abraham be not of our nature, and that this is the garment which Isabella P meant, I suppose D. L. will not deny: Nay the scripture saith expressly v. 17. In all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brothers Yet though Christ was in all things made like unto his brethren, though he took ●hould of the seed of Abraham, and took part of the same flesh and blood with us, which flesh and blood of ours is surely of an arthly and perishing nature; Yet I utterly deny D: L's inference, that W: P. renders Christ's body earthly and perishing: For though he took part of the same flesh and blood with us which flesh and blood of ours (as I said) is of an earthly and perishing nature; yet by the mighty power of God, Christ's body was raised from the dead, and saw no corruption, and so he dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him, but he ever liveth to make intercession for us, in his soul and spirit and glorious and heavenly body. I come next to touch upon one passage in his Chap. 4, where he thinks he hath gotten I know not what advantage against W: P, He citys W: P's. Reason against Railing p. 165. where D. L. says W. P. justifies and declares that he abides by there ill names given by E. Burrough, p. 30. etc. to wit, Thou jesuit, thou Sot, thou Sorcerer, thou art a Serpent etc. And yet (says D L) in Address to Protestants p. 242, he at once unchristians himself and all his Brethren, for so doing, for saith he, Men that call names for Religion, may tell us they are christians, if they will, but no body would know them to be such by their fruits, to be sure they are no Christians of Christ's making. Upon which D. L. cries out Good Reader take notice of it; Alas. how has the man forgot himself! Answ. Alas! how hath D: L. abused W: P. and his Reader too; For W: P. doth not declare, that he abides by any ill names given by Edward Burrough: for the word [ill] is not William. Penn's, but added by D: L, which was ill done of him: W: P's. words in the page quoted by D: L. being these, viz, But let it suffice that Edward Burrouge gave no harder names than the scriptures by Rule allows We read o● dogs, bear's, wosves, s●●ine, serpents, ●●pers, foxes, childerens of the Devil and such like: And as that nature to whom they were then given, thought them hard, so doth Thomas Hicks now; But the same power that then give them, hath now used them to the same end and purpose, and I abide by it. Thus far W: P; where observe W: P: doth not declare that he abides by any ill names, for he useth not the word [ill] but hard names. 2dly He showeth how such like names have been given of o●d ●y good men (yea it was by the best of men) and saith, that E: B. doing it to the same end and purpose, he abides by it, and since D: L. finds fault with it, we may easily guests at his reason for so doing, viz, t was W▪ P. that wrote it; For of all the hard names his friend G: K. hath given his opposers, I cannot, if it were for my life, find that he blames him for one of them, and to show, that not only the scriptures and our friends, as above, but that also G: K. hath given hard names to his opposers, I shall instance (for brevity sake) but one place out of but one of his books entitled, The true Christ owned, see p. 104. 105 thus His false accusations; his beast with seven heads, that he hath conjured out of the sea of his troubled imagination; his Atheistical and blasphemous creed; I have proved him man i●estly guilty of S●●inianisim, Arrianisoum, Anthropomorphitism, Muggletonism, Antichristianism, and fast of all gross Atheirsm. Now where will D: L's sincerity and impartiality be, if he deal not with G: K, as he hath dealt with us in this matter. Then as to what he offers to prove that W: P. unchristians himself and Brethren at once, because he saith (as D: L. quotes him) Men that call names for religion may tell they are Christians if they will etc. I answer Here he hath very unfairly left out that part of W: P's. words which would unquestionably have shown such men he there discreyd to be no Christians; For W: P. being there treating concerning and speaking against persecutors, he hath it thus, viz, Men that call names for religion and fling stones and persecute for faith, may tell us they are Christians, if they will, but no body would know them to be such, by their fruits. Now these words [and fling stones and persecute for faith] D: L. hath concealed from his Reader, and I am sure, that is a worse error than a little failure in Syntax. But by inserting them, my Reader may see what sort of men they were, whom W: P. rejected, as unworthy of that honourable name, viz Perjecutors for faith, flingers of stones as well as callers of names for religion; And it is well known, that such persecutors, in formers and others, would not only fling stones, but throw di●t too, and also call such names as these; You Quaking Cur, You Anabaptist Rogue, You Fanatic Dog, and the like; Now it is clear, that this was the calling names for Religion which W. P. meant, and not the calling of names after the manner as the Prophet did, when he called a sort of men, Greedy Dogs etc. nor after the manner as E: B. did, when he called such like men, Sot Sorcerer etc. But perhaps D: L. will say in vindication of G. K, that he hath retracted the hard names by him given to his Opposers. Answ. That Retractation is but a mere flame like some of the rest: For how far hath he retracted this? Why his words are of so large an extent, that's that I know no Professor of Christianity but both might and would say as much and yet retract just nothing at all, neither would there be any service in it in order to give the least satisfaction to any concerned who might suppose themselves abused by hard names published; for his retractation is only in general terms (viz He retracts in general all the hard names that he hath given to such as did nor deserve them) without discharding any particular person or society from the scandal of those hard names. For instance G. K. in his Antichrists and Saducees detected hath bestowed many hard names upon me, as Antichrist, Saducee or rather Atheist, Bold Ignorant, Miller Philosopher etc. Now since there is great probability that he doth not mean me to be one of those upon whose account he hath retracted the hard names given; So also any of his former Opponents to whom he hath given hard names may say I know not that he means me to be one of them who have not (in his Judgement) deserved them, and now although he seems to make an acknowledgement and blame himself for bestowing hard names on divers, yet since he names none of those divers what satisfaction to me is his pretended retraction in this more than his charging them on me in his former, and what sincerity doth he manifest in it? For those divers he hints at either did occur to his memory at the writing of his book or thy did not: If they did, and he sincere in his pretention he should have named them; but if they did not then it is a sign he put down what he published by mere rote and in short, he had as good have said nothing about it since every particular person concerned in those hard names may say they are never the more satisfied there by and so all of them still lie at G: K's door. Upon pruisal of his 5th. Chapter about prophecies I find not above one that he hath mentioned which hath failed: For those he speaks of who have of late prophesied against several towns and places, I never heard that any prefixed a time, nor otherways than upon condition, viz unless they did repent, which whether there was not so much repentance in so many of them as might move the Lord to a farther compassion on them is surely more than this D: L: knows. (As for D: L's ridiculing G: W. about his prophecy concetning G: K. viz And thus saith the Lord, because thou hast poured out contempt, scorn and reproach upon my servants and people, I will assuredly pour out and bring great contempt and scorn upon thee. I answer, What farther scorn and contempt may yet come upon him, than what is already come and manifest to the world, even since those words were written by G: W. let time show, and days to come make yet more manifest: For scorn and contempt is certainly come upon him, even beyond the conceit which D. L. speaks of. And although he may slight what G. W. said of G. K, because as he saith, it's The fate of all men, less or more; yet that's not more than those might have said, whom the Apostle compared to Jannes and Jambres, and of whom he said, Their solloy should be manifest to all men 2 Tim. 3: 9 In his 6. Chapter he flings out his scoffs and taunts about Infallible discerning, and in particular reflects upon our Friends about Delaware, thar they want this spirit of discerning, and to prove it instances the case of Robert Ewer▪ i●. Now to this I say, Though G: F. (as quoted by him) speaks of a Minister of Christ's having an infallible discerning of a man's state and condition, Yet he doth not say it is without any respect had to the fruit he brings forth: And (Christ saith Matt. 7: 16▪ By their fruits ye shall know them. So that I do believe, to know any man's condition without this token must be an extraordinary and particular gift of God; But by the fruits brought forth, I do believe, according to the words of Christ, people may be known, and that infallibly too, for what is short of that, is not properly knowledge, but barely conjecture. And as for Robert Ewer There was not so near an unity betwixt him and our Friends, a considerable time before that business of that Woman at Philadelphia, was talked of, as D: L. may possibly imagine; But it is not the Church's place to disown any Member, before proof be made, of some evil done by him or her, and to prove what I say, I hope▪ I have an Author very sufficient in D: L's eye, for it is no less person than his great friend G: K. who in his late book of Retractations &c. (not yet retracted again that I hear of) hath it thus in p. 3; We find no warrant from scripture to receive an accusation against any, far less a positive judgement, without plain evidence of matter of fact against them, by credible witnesses etc. Well then; so far as matter of fact was thus made appear against Robert Ewer, he was dealt with according to Gospel order too. B●t for D: L's telling us, of Late ill example of divers of our Preachers, especially of their being unlawfully concerned with women: He should either have let us know who they were, or else have been silent about it; for for my part I know them not, but do believe it is a great slander. In his p. 64. he banters W: P. for saying, We ascribe not in fallibility to men, but to the grace of God, and to men so far as they are led by it: Here upon he makes this resiection, viz Behold Reader, and note this Rhetoric well! For are not other Professors, yea, all men in the world so far infallible, as well as Quakers. Answ: Yes. But does not D: L. know, that there are multitudes of men in the world, who are so far from being led by the infallible grace, or spirit of God, that they make a mock at, and deride it, and surely, such are very far from being infallibly led by it. But what need was there for D: L. to say [as well as Quakers] since W: P. according to D: L's own citation, doth not restrict infallibility only to the Quakers, but to men indefinitely, for saith he [and to men so far as they are led by it]. As for his telling, how friends admit none to travel upon Truth's acount without certificates, I think it is very commendable; but passing by his mocking, viz, his saying, it is to help our spirit of discerning; I take notice of what he saith of G: W. quoting him out of Quakers plainness, thus We have a Record in People's conscience; as if there fore there was no need of a Certificate, which he Ishmael like, calls a Pocket Record. Answ. Though he so tauntingly, yet groundleslyt, represents us to be a sort of people, who think grea● things o● ourselves, as to our spiritual attainm; aunts yet, I do believe, our Friends do not think they have attained to a greater degree of discerning spirits, than the primitive Christians had, and the Apostle Paul intimates, their approving by their letters, such as went to jerusalem about the Church's service, see 1 Cor. 16. 3. And the same Apostle, speaking to the Corinthians, as though he and Timothy needed nor epistles of commendation to that Church, as some others 2 Cor. 3: 1 there by intimated, that though such very eminent labourers needed not such commendations, yet others did. And let D. L. observe, that though G: K. in his late book of Retractations p: 3 &c, saith, To know men by their fruits is a gift of the spirit and proceedeth from a true spirit of discerning, that is given universally in some measure to all the faithful: Yet it seems, he himself must have that, which D: L. calls A pocket Recerd, with him to England, and that signed not only by his own faction, but also by— perhaps D: L. knows who besides. In p. 66 D: L. tells us My old friends oft bless themselves thus, viz We are redeemed from a vain life and conversation, more than any society in Christendom; We are the only Professors of truth etc. And says D: L. so says the Pharisees, We are not as other men etc. Answ. What then? though the proud Pharisees were boasters, and cried, They were not as other men, etc. Yet I hope he will not say; The saints of old were Pharisees, who said, We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness 1 John 5. 19; Yet there were some amongst them, who appeared to be very scandalous in their lives and conversations. Neither do we bless ourselves, as D: L. falsely alleges, because we are in measure redeemed from a vain life and conversation; but it is our very principle, which D: L. cannot be ignorant of to abase self for ever, and only to bless and priase the Lord, who through his Son Jesus Christ, enables the faithful, to perform what is acceptable in his sight. The next thing I shall touch at, is to make some small reflection upon what he urgeth against us in his 7th. Chapter, under the head Of the Scriptures, though the substance hath been often answered by our friends; and that very fully, in these books amongst many others, viz, The Christian Quaker; W. P ▪ s. Invalidity, Reason against Raling &c. so that I shall need to say the less about it, yet I cannot wholly pass it by, because I have therein an opportunity offered of discovering his folly, as well as great envy, manifested in his so ridiculously bantering that faithful labourer in the Lord's vineyard, G. F. who I believe is now at peace with the Lord, where the wicked cease from troubling: and the weary be at rest; Whom he puts his profane joques upon in P. 74, as if, because G. F. said Dust is the serpent's meat, the Serpent feeds upon dust; therefore G. F. meant, the Serpent was literally to feed upon lime and stone houses, called Churches, and thereupon scoffingly queries;" Had not the Devil need to have strong teeth, to gnaw upon steeple houses? Answ. O gross perverter? I remember he tells me in p. 45. that about the Resurrection I carnally apprehend G. K. Now I appeal to every judicious Reader, whether I have not more reason to say, that D. L. carnally apprehends G. F. For though G. F. tells the world; Their church is dust, a heap of lime and stone gathered together; it is what is true, and obvious to every one that hath eyes: And though G. F. says; The serpent seeds upon dust, and that is also true, and according to Scripture, which saith, Dust shall thou eat all the days of thy life Gen. 3. 14. Yet that the consequence is, that these two expressions, according to G. F. must be fulfilled in a literal sense, viz, that the Devil is to feed on the dust of those sort of walls; D. L. may indeed insinuate, but I know not who will be so weak as to believe him. And now I shall desire the Reader to excuse my stepping back to p. 70, where I find D. L. falsely accusing Tho. Ellwood of belying the Common Creed, quoting his Truth Defended p. 70, on this wise, viz, The common Creed (says he) called the Apostles, Creed, says Christ was conceived by the holy Ghost, Though born of the Virgin: where upon D: L. says Now pray search the Common Creed, and see if the word [though] be there to be found. Answer. These words [though born of the Virgin] which D: L. quarrels with, are not laid down by T: E, as the express words of the Creed, but rather as explanatory in order to show the import thereof, which was; That though Christ was born of the Virgin, yet he was conceived by the Holy Ghost, and that therefore, his Generation was not by coagulation, of, and from the properties of man in Mary (as had been suggested) since Mary had not known man, but the holy child Jesus, though born of her, was conceived by the holy Ghost. And I am sure D: L. will be hard put to it, to prove T: E. a liar in this case; he may as well prove the Apostle a liar, in a passage Heb: 4: 3 where he hath relation to an expression of the Psalmists, Psal. 95. 11: viz, As he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the World. Now these words [although the works were finished etc.] are not the Psalmist's words, but the Apostles, explanatory of what he had before said in the same verse, viz, For we which have believed do enter into rest: And T: Is words were much after the same manner and way of speaking, therefore how poor, mean and pitiful must it be in D: L, to employ himself, in prying into, and poring upon our books in order to find matter against us, whilst, when he has done all he is able, he can produce nothing, but such weak and silly stuff. As wretchedly fordid and base is he in p. 71; in abusing G: W. whom he quotes thus; Counter Convert p. 26 We prefer the holy Scriptures (saith he) before all the Books extant in the world. Whereupon D: L. infers thus. Now observe here how G: W. carries a double face to deceive his Reader, for he does not say, that he prefers the book called the Bible, before all books extemt etc. Answer. This is a most wicked and base insinuation, as if, when G: W. mentions our preferring the Scripture, he did not thereby intent the Bible. I am persuaded, it is not only contrary to D: L's belief, but also to his very knowledge: Besides, though other books are, and may be written, by the assistance, and from the dictates of the Spirit of God; yet that doth not hinder the book called the Bible, from having the preference, all things considered. Gold and Silver money are both stamped with the King's Image and superscription, and both are allowed by him to be current Coin, yet the one is preferible to the other. And, whereas our Friends, amongst many other, have said, that some Scriptures are corrupted, yet that hinders not, but in the main, they are preferible to all other books: Gold may have some tincture of a meaner metal in it, yet in the main 'tis preferible to all other metals. Again, what a gross inference hath he drawn, from the words he quotes as Sam: Fisher's viz That were their transcriptions and translations never so certain and entire, by answering to the first original Copies, yet are not capable to be to all men any other than a Lesbian Rule or nose of wax; Whereupon D: L. says, Mark how he affirms, That if the Scriptures were never so true, yet they are capable of being no other than a nose of wax. Answ. Mark how D: L. belies his own quotation, i● his pretendedly marking S: F's words; for the quotation himself offers, says of the Scriptures, That they are not capable to be to all men any other than a Lesbian Rule or nose of wax: But in his mark, to render S: F. odious, he makes him affirm, ●hey where capable of being no other than a nose of wax. Oh Infincere man! Can he be so ignorant, as not to know the difference betwixt saying, The Scriptures can not be to all men of service (which was S: F's meaning, in as much as multitudes of mankind never had heard one word of them) and his own saying; That they are capable of being no other (indefinitely) than a nose of Wax. Well! upon this perversion of the above quotation D: L. comments, saying; Now I dare affirm, there is no sort of people else in Cristendom, except Papists, will speak thus of the Scriptures. But experience tells me, That all sensible Christians who protest against this Popish principle, cannot but have an evidence in themselves to the worth and purity of the Scriptures etc. Answ. And what of all this? The question is not about what evidence sensible christians have of the Scriptures; nor whether they are to them as a nose of wax; But chiefly, about what they are to half the world, which have them not. And what service they can be of unto such, D: L. were best to inform us, if he can. In p. 75 D: L. says; But before we conclude this head, take one verdict more from W: P's Spirit of Truth p. 38, The Scripture (says he) is much like the shadow of the true Rule. Now all men know, That the shadow is a vain empty uncertain thing etc. Answ. That's D: L's great mistake; For Paul, who said Heb. 10. 1 The law having a shadow of good things to come, surely did not count the law, a vain, empty and uncertain thing. And in chap. 8. 5, speaking of the Priests who offered gifts according to the law, says, That they served unto the example and shadow of heavenly things; ●h●n surely, those things, which by Gods own appointment, served to the example and shadow of heavenly things, were not vain, empty or uncertain; consequently, it may be easily seen, that this observation of D: L's is both vain and empty. I am now come to his 8th Chapter, entitled Of Magistracy and Government; to which I shall give a little touch, and begin where he gins, with a passage he quotes out of Samuel Jenings' State of the case p. 73. viz Magistracy and Government we always owned to be the Ordinance of God. To which he objects in p. 78. thus Now observe here S: Jenings deals deceitfully and dishonestly in pretending to be what they really are not. Answ. A high charge indeed! and that too to be founded upon such an honest and innocent expression; For what though (as D: L: quotes him) W. S. saith, We own Government and Magistracy that stands in the power of God, and executes true Judgement within the gates, casting down sin and evil doers, and setting up Righteousness, and those that walk therein? Yet it doth no ways follow, that therefore we own no Government to be such (so as to be subject to them in all things, by yielding either active or passive obedience to their commands) out the Government of those who witness Christ to rule and reign in them, as D. L. asserts: For both William Smith's, and the rest of our friend's practice, in general from the beginning, hath proved the contrary; they having therein followed Scripture precepts, and the examples of the Saints of old, in owning Government and Magistracy to be appointed of God, and that to them subjection was due, as aforesaid. Yet surely none will think; that they so owned them, as to own that in them which was corrupt: No, they were so far from that, as they did not spare to tell them of it; Isaiah says, Thy Princes are rebellious, and companions of thiefs, etc. see ch. 1: 23, and Ezekiel says ch. 21: 27. Her Princes in the midst Thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood etc. But to sum up the matter; if D. L. own such a Government as W: S: speaks of, it is so far well; however, whether he do or no, it is such an one as the God of Israel, the Rock of Israel instituted, 2. Sam. 23: 3. when he spoke by his Servant David on this wise; He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. And if D. L. do own such a Government, than I would ask, whether he cannot say also with S: I: That he owns Magistracy and Government to be an ordinance of God, and yet justify the aforementioned Prophets, in so smartly reproving the Princes of their People? and next, whether in so doing, he would, or aught to be accounted one that pretends to be what he really is not? Let him well consider this. As to what D: L. produceth against G: F, out of a book entitled, Papers given forth to the heads &c. wherein, amongst other expressions, D: L. makes G: F. to say; They are out of the Life and Power that make such work for an Earthly King, and Earthly Powers. I Answer. Though I know not that ever I saw the book he refers to; yet it really seems to me, to be written upon the occasion of so much contending, fight, kill and destroying one another, in striving who should ●e uppermost, in and about the time of the civil Wars. But that this contradicts W: P, or that W: P. contradicts this, by his peaceably obtaining a grant from the King, of the Government here, as D: L. seems to insinuate in these words, viz; Come mark that W. Penn, with they industry, in getting Grant after Grant for Kingly and Earthly power Is quite wide or the mark; they being no ways parallel; For W. P. made not such work to obtain his Grant. (As G: F. condamnes in the above cited passage) Then pray observe how false he is, in thus telling W. P. of his getting Grant after Grant for Kingly power; where, as if he had Kingly power, surely he would be a King, at least his power would not be subordinate to the Kings, which it is well known W. P's. is. It is from the like ignorance or worse, that he makes such an use as he does, or W. P's. words, quoted by him out of Address to Protestants p. 334. thus, If we will give ancient story credit, we shall find, the worldly weapons were never employed by the Christian Church, till she became Worldly, and so ceased to be truly Christian etc. Upon which D. L. saith: I Confess, had not ancient story informed me, that all Christian Societies have apostatised, when they grew numerous, I should have admired at this Passage, that the same W. P. should in so few years after he Wrote it; not only fall into that Apostasy himself, but also draw many more with him. Answer: But pray What is the Apostasy, whioh D. L. accounts, that W. P. and those many more drawn in by him, are fallen into? Why the most I can make of it is, That People are so far degenerated from Christ's commands given to his followers, viz to let the Tares grow up with the Wheat, etc. that they who now pretend to be his, do not make use of worldly weapons, so much to pluck up the tares, as the good wheat, as the divers Persecutions of late years can testify. And that this was it that W. P. meant, by their making use of worldly weapons, is clear, from the very subject matter he was upon, and treating about in that place. Now if W. P. hath never done so, as I believe he never did, then to be sure, in that respect he is clear from being an Apostate. And since D. L. is so well informed, that all Christian Societies have Apostatised as they grew numerous; surely, the Church of England having grown very numerous, they must needs according to D. L. be apostatised also: and yet in his Almanac for the year 169: he prays, that she may be a blessing upon Philadelphia; As if an Apostate Church could be a blessing upon any place. Then whereas he observes, that Ancient story hath informed him, that all Christian Societies have apostatised, when they grew numerous: I shall now observe likewise, and put him in mind too, how the scene is altered; and that modern story can now inform him of a Society of People lately founded in Pensilvania, and his great Friends who (like those that ancient story informs us of, though they were apostatised from the light, life and spirit of Christ; yet would still retain to themselves the honourable name of Christians; so those of this new Society) though they were gone from the unity and socjety of the people called Quakers, at the first, would by all means value themselves much, upon their retaining that name, and that forsooth of the most pure and most primitive sort too, and therefore must be distinguished by the name of Christian Quakers. That these are so apostatised, within the space of about seven years, notwithstanding their not growing numerous, that scarce any of them will own the name; But like Babel's Builders are strangely divided amongst themselves; and truly look upon it as a judgement befallen them for their lofty tower building: some being gone to the water, viz some to dipping one another; and some to sprinkling with the old popish Ceremony of Godfathers' and God▪ Mothers: some staying at home, and leaving all Christian Societies: others running into strange notions, as that there are two Gods, and that one of them died etc. Some (though very few) now and then keeping a meeting, possibly pretty near the manner of their primitive practice. And Thus is the Language of these Babel Builders confounded, and themselves scattered abroad, so that they have already almost left off to build the City and the Tower. God grant they may be a warning to all others, for the future. But to wave any farther digression, I come again to the point, and do say, That as it is clear, that what W. P. wrote there, was intended against those who used such like worldly weapons, in the carrying on of Religious matters: So it is also clear, that he never thereby meant to insinuate, as if Christ upon his coming into the world, or offering up himself, had put an end, or commanded an end to be put to all outward Government in matters Civil: For in the same page, W. P. intimates; That Christ came to reform the lives of men, and to make them better subjects to obey Cesar &c, So that if subjects be owned, Princes, etc. must be owned likewise; And seeing W. P owned, that Christ came to make men better subjects to obey Cesar, by consequence he must needs have owned, that Christ did allow of a Cesar to command such obedience; And I dare say, Whosoever shall read that, or any other of W. P's, books, shall find nothing to the contrary: But for him to charge W: P: with Apostasy, because of his being concerned in civil Government, is preposterous; and I further say, for Friends to be concerned in the civil Government, is no ways inconsistent with their ancient principles, or practice either, when they have been called to it by Authority, without an oath: therefore D: L's. insinuation against W: P: and us, as if we were ceased to be Christian, because concerned therein, is groundless, and a mere begging of the Question. Another fling D. L. has in this 81st pa. against W: P, as follows, viz But some think W: P: has wit enough to make out to all that see with his eyes, that the sword of the Magistrate viz Constable's staves, Sheriff's weapons, Stocks, Prisons and Gallows are not worldly weapons, out spiritual weapons, when used by Quakers. Answ. An idle story: One would think he were violently seized with the itch of scribbling, For where did W: P: ever take upon him to prove or make out to any man any such thing? Besides, I never urderstood, that a Constable's staff was counted a weapon, he being but a Civil Officer, and his place to keep the peace; but rather that it is a mark or badge of his office, whence it is common with people, when a Constable comes to serve a Warrant upon any person, and brings not his Staff with him to ask him, where it is? And I myself was once a Sheriff, but neither before, then, nor since, did I ever understand, that such a thing as a weapon, peculiarly belonged to, or was essentially needful in, the due execution of that Office. Then as for Stocks, Prison and Gallows, he may call them weapons if he please, but for my part I do not think them so; much less that they come under the Apostle's denomination of carnal, when he says 2 Cor. 10: 4, The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty trough God to the pulling down of strong holds etc. For the weapons which the Apostle here opposes to carnal, being such wherewith they pulled down strong holds, seems to me to allude to such outward weapons, with which the warriors of old did sight, and pull down outward strong holds; Consequently, did not allude to the strong holds themselves, which (in a sense) Stocks and Prisons are. So then, where the Apostle speaks of the weapons of their warfare not being carnal, he cannot thereby be supposed to intent or allude to stocks, prisons, or the like, but rather to those weapons, with which they of old used to pull them down. As for his sly insinuation about W: P's making out to the people, that Stocks, Constable's staves, Prisons, Gallows etc. are spiritual weapons, when used by the Quakers; I shall only say thus much, I can not think, but that he knows better, than he writes, in this Case, as well as in many other matters; and surely the greater will be his condemnation in the great day of Account, which they (though falsely) so much accuse us of denying. In his 9th. Chapter, entitled Of Persecution, and Prosecution, the first thing I shall take notice of, is the great Ado he makes, about some of his Friends in Pensilvania, being called to account for belying and abusing the Magistrates, and Authority of the place, pretending it was for matters purely Religious, and therefore being only a Religious difference (as they falsely alleged) they ought not to have been troubled for it, and the like; which I have partly answered in Modest Account, from p: 39 to p: 43. Yet when G: K: got into England, and into the Bishop of London's favour, how quickly did he himself there fall to that work really, which but a little before, he had falsely objected against others in Pensilvania, by instigating, stirring up and endeavouring to prevail with Authority in England, to give order, not only to enter into our Meeting houses; but also to search for our Books, and when found, to have them diligently searched and examined by the most pious and judicious &c. and if found guilty of vile and gross errors of which, no question, but i'll and the Clergy must be judges) to suppress them by public Authority; and that for no other reason, but pretended errors in doctrine contained in them? And now if this do not arise from a Spirit of Persecution: I know not what doth; for pretended errors in Doctrine, have been the chief arguments alleged, for stirring up all the persecutions, which have infested Cristendom, for about these 100 Years. Let us also consider, what may be the effect of such a work, if G. K. could but obtain his end, in having his proposal effected; Why then, it would be but getting some such persons, as perhaps himself, and chief friends shall call pious and judicious to fall to the work, and the business might soon go on briskly: And then our peaceable Meetings, and by consequence the Nations peace in some measure, would be disturbed again; our Shops and Houses might with violence be entered into, and the Booksellers might possibly have many hundred pounds worth of books seized at once, without any evil committed by them, as well as without trial, before either judge or jury, except G: K: and such as he shall call pious and judicious. So that this Suffering proposed by him, would not be on a like ground with their pretended suffering he complains of here, viz, for calling a Governor Impudent man, telling him, He was not fit to be Governor; for belying Magistrates (as they did here) in print, about their proceed in the administration of Justice, also for falsely insinuating against Magistrates, that one was so drunk, that he was fain to be carried to bed; and that another was so drunk, that he could scarce ge●● over the ships side he was in, with such like stuff, which G: K: and his company here (in their impetuous heat to vent their malice on some then in authority in this place, and to render them as odious, as well they could) did not stick to publish, to their great abuse. But alas! the case (on such an occasion as aforesaid) would be far otherwise with the Quakers in England: For having no such like things as these, justly to lay to their charge there, their suffering would be only on the score of pretended errors in Doctrine, which (as I said) is the common pretence of most Persecutors. Yet since D: L: and G: K: flout so much at infallible descerning, I would ask them, Upon what pretence they would undertake to pass judgement upon our books? If they say, by the Authority of the Holy Scriptures, Who then (say I) must be judge of the Comment? For it is about that, that Persecutors generally differ with the Persecuted. Therefore were D: L: sincere and impartial as he pretends to be; since he takes upon him to inveigh so much, against the pretended persecution of those here, why should he be so mute, as not to rebuke, or so much as take one word of notice, of G: K's real endeavours to stir up those in Authority in England, to a real persecution there: Since (although the book wherein those passages are contained, was published before the Retractation book came forth, yet) he hath not (there in) retracted them: And yet D: L: pretends, he would have taken in G: K's books, together with ours, if he had not rertracted high errors: but his Cloak is too short, and his covering too narrow, to hid his exceeding great partiality under, as in several places of this book I have shown, particularly in this e●se. The next thing I shall take notice of, is his mentioning our Friends ancient Testimony concerning bearing injuries, so as being rev●led not to revile again; and also their crying against those who caused people to be put in prison, and took away their goods upon a religious account, and the like, comparing it with George Keith, Thomas Budd, John Mc Combe, William Bradford and Peter Bess their being called to account for their abuses to the Government, see p: 81 to 86. Now this is fallacious, for they hold no parallel, and therein at most he doth but merely beg the Question, they being not called to account about any Religious Difference, as I have already shown. For I do believe, had any other Persons (though they had been such as had never in the least differed with us about Religious matters) done as G: K: and his Company did, they would not have escaped the notice of the Government, any more than G: K: etc. I would therefore have them, and all others, duly, and in sincerity and truth, weigh this matter in the right balance; for although our Friends have testified, That we ought to bear injuries etc. and accordingly have born the injurious Revile, Imprisonments and Spoiling of Goods, acknowledging it our Principle so to do, when inflicted on any of us for Conscience sake; Yet on the other hand, we always owned Magistracy to be an Ordinance of God, and that it was for the punishment of evil doers, and to preserve men's Lives, Liberties and Properties; see Edward Burroughs' Works p: 784: 785. And likewise it hath been the practice of our Friends from the beginning, to endeavour to recover their just Rights, by due course of Law from those who were not under the regulation of our Church discipline, nor would otherwise be persuaded to do the thing that was just and right, notwithstanding D▪ L's undue and strained construction of our words relating to bearing Jnjuries etc. And whereas in his p: 82 he gives us a quotation, said to be taken out of Sam. Jennings his State of the Case, p. I know not what, which he makes to speak to this purpose viz That they could do no less than prosecute, and fine G: K: and T: B: without the violation of their Trust to the King. I answer, Since he hath not mentioned the page, I cannot tell wether or no he hath laid down S. J's words fairly; he is not a man fit to be trusted in such cases, for reasons already shown: But be it as it will, it appears from D. L's citation itself; that it was not self revenge they sought, but to prevent the violation of their Trust. And therefore D. L. had not manner of ground, to caution our Preachers to keep their Hearers from reading that part of Robert Barclay's Apology, which he hath quoted in his p: 89; For R. B. is not there treating at all of Civil Government, but of Revenge and War, as his express words are, and therefore he complains that The Christian world is fallen in to contempt of Christ's Law, not only as to oaths, curse, blasphemous profanations and horrid perjuries; but also, how the world is filled with violence, oppression, murders, ravishing of Women and Virgins, spoilings, depredations, burn, vastations and all manner of lasciviousness and cruelty. But not one word hath he against the Civil Magistrates appointing the just Laws to be executed upon Evil doers; nor that it is unlawful for men to recover there just Rights, by due process, according to the just and equal laws of the Government, under which they live. And as I could produce several instances out of our ancient Friends writings, to prove, that from the beginning, it was against our Principles to be concerned in outward Wars and Fightings; So I could also produce divers instances, that from the beginning it was not against our principles to be concerned in outward Government. I shall at present only mention two. First, Edward Burroughs, in his book entitled A just and righteous Plea, presented to the King of England etc. declares to the King and Council, in the name of the Quakers, as may be seen in p. 784. 785 of his Collection (hinted at above) that, We do acknowledge Government and Rule and Magistracy to be an Ordinance of God, ordained and instituted of him, to be exercised among the children of men. And we believe there aught to be Rule and Government and Authority, exercised and executed in every Kingdom, Nation, City and Country, for the end aforesaid; to wit, that Evil doers may be made afraid and corrected, limited, restrained and subdued, that sin and transgression may be suppressed, and truth and righteousness promoted, and them that do well praised, and strengthened. And this is the very end of outward government of Kings, Princes, or other amongst men upon the Earth; even that the outward man may be kept in good order and subjection, in his conversation in the world, and may be limited and restrained, from all wrong doing or speaking, against his Neighbour's Person or Estate; and if he do, he is punishable by such just Authority. 2dly. The exercise and execution of this just Government over the outward man, as afore described, aught to be committed into the hands of saithful, just and upright Men, such as fear the Lord, and hate covetousness, and every evil way, and not to drunkards, liars, covetous or evil minded persons, ambitious or vain glorious persons, in any Nation etc. And in p. 751. he hath it thus viz I have before mentioned, what kind of Rulers and Governors we would have; even such as are just men, and men of Truth and Righteousness, that hate covetousness and every evil way, and such are of us etc. [Mark such are of us]. The second is Richard Hubberthorn, who was also an ancient Preacher and Writer amongst the Quakers, and who (as did also Edward Burrough) died so long ago, as in the year 1662. In his discourse with King Charles the second, the King asked him thus, as may be seen in the: printed account p. King. How do you own Magistrates and Magistracy? R. H. Thus we do own Magistrates. Whosoever is set up by God, whether King as Supreme, or any set in Authority by him, who are for the punishment of evil doers, and the praise of them that do well, such we shall submit unto, and assist in righteous and civil things, both by body and estate; And if any Magistrate do that which is unrighteous, we must declare against it, only submitting under it, by a patiented suffering, and not rebel against any, by insurrections, plots or contrivances. King: Then the King said, That is enough. Now in this discourse there are two things observable; First, That we owned Magistracy etc. and Secondly, We then declared, We should submit to them, and assist them in righteous and civil things [Mark assist] both by body and estate. So that here we see he declared, we could assist the Government in righteous and civil things, not only with our Estates; but also with our Bodies: therefore, so to do is not contrary to our ancient Friends Testimonies. In p. 85. mentioning Peter Boss' trial, he has a fling at David Lloyd; on this wise In the trial of which (saith he) D. Lloyd, being Attorney, pleaded for S. J. and read a case out of an old Law book, to this effect, That though ●t Bishop was seen to be drunk, yet he was not to be reproved. In answer thereto, David Lloyd denies, that he brought any such instance, or that he so much as knows of any such case in any Law-book whatsoever. In p. 86. he gives us a pretended speech of Arthur Cook's on this wise, viz; Well, seeing Friends that you are not like to agree, you are absolved from your Test (or Oath) and are discharged; and we will have another Jury that shall agree, and find the bill. To this, Arthur Cook and others then concerned, whom I have discoursed with, say, that No such expression dropped from him, so far as they can recollect; But that he did deliver his opinion; That seeing the Jury could not agree, another inquest should be awarded, as the law in that case directs. So that I have sufficient reason to conclude, that this great noise, is no other than a false, as well as base insinuation, against both the Court and Arthur Cook, in order to represent them all, to be such manner of persons, as were resolved to have the bill found in that case, right or wrong. In p. 87. mentioning a law made in England; That no Quaker or reputed Quaker shall serve on any Juries, or bear any Office or Place of profit in the Government; he makes this reflection, They may see what their ill manners in Pennsilvania has brought on them etc. To which I answer, This I take to be as idle an insinuation, as any one in his whole book; As if the clause, in that Law made in England were added, because of G. K. Peter Bess etc. their being prosecuted here, a very silly groundless story. In p. 88 he publisheth a letter (or at least part of one) in the name of G. F. relating to a book of Tho. Budd's. Now that letter I know not that ever I have seen, therefore, for divers reasons before given, I shall not credit his quotation, so much as to take any farther notice of it. In p. 90. he produceth a quotation, said to be taken out of Richard. Hubberthorn's. Works, wherein the said R. H. blaming a Priest, saith, Thou dost allow of going to Law which the apostle did not &c. Now to what end should he produce this against us? The most probable sense and intent of Richard Hubberthorns words, being, to set the Apostle's doctrine over the Priest's head, in reproof of the common practice of rheir Church Members going to law with each others, allowed by the Priest, and that before those, who in the Apostle's sense, might be termed unjust; the Apostle's drift, being to prevent Brother's going law with Brother, and to reprove therefore: A practice, which the Quakers allow no more of now, than they did in the beginning. I am now come to his Chapter 10th. entitled; Friends suffering, to be recorded by London Meeting; Which mostly concerns those of West farsey side to speak to, which they may do, if they see any need for it, and if they do, it may be added in a Postscript, where also I intent to publish John Wood's vindication of himself from the aspersions cast upon him in this chapter, testified both by himself and Neighbours. Only something of what he saith about Ralph Ward, I shall take notice of in the next please which take as follows. In his p. 92. 93 he hath it thus. In the years 1694 and 95 Ralph Ward, a poor friend at Philadelphia, was several times fined for conscientiously refusing to serve on juries, and had goods taken from him to the value of 4. L. 6 of which he complained to the Governor and Council, but had no relief. The Members of Counsel present were S. Carpenter, S. Richardson, Amortis, C. Pusey, D. LLoyd, all Quakers. Answer. This is very silly, like the rest of his stuff: For first, Though those members were present at Council, yet if they would, they could have granted him no relief, without the consent of the Governor, who was no Quaker. 2dly. Whether the Governor, and all the Members of Council, had been Quakers or not Quakers, yet they could not have relieved him; because, the Laws of this Government impose a fine on all that shall refuse to serve on a Jury, which laws (according to the orginal frame of Government, and Constitution of this place) the Governor and Council are to take care that they be all duty and diligently executed; therefore consequently are not to be violated by them. 3dly. Though there might be so much goods taken from him, as might amount to the value D. L. mentions, yet so far as it did appear to us the Sheriff was always very ready to deliver him the overplus of his fine. However, me thinks any man, though never so conscientious, should in no wise object scruple of conscience, in relation to serving upon a Jury, thiir chief office, being, to find out the truth are faelsehood of any matter brought before them, or what any of their own Members may inform them of. For as to what any man may suffer, either in Cases Criminal, or Civil after the jury have found aainst him, it is the business of the Law to direct, and of the judge or justice, to pronounce the judgement of the Court. His 11 Chapter Of Swearing he gins thus, viz In W. Penned book called, Reason against Railing, p. 41. the question is put thus, How could you know that swearing in any case were unlawful, if it had not been written, Swear not at all? Is not then the Scripture your Rule in this Case? W. Penn there answers, This shows the ignorance of Tho: Hicks in the writings of the best Gentiles, and his acknowledgement of the lights sufficiency, in case we are able to prove swearing disallowable before Christ came in the flesh. The seven wise men, (saith he) famous among the Greek● 500 years before Christ came in the flesh esteemed swearing but a remedy against corruption. Upon all which D: L: Comments thus Now observe, does not this plainly show, that they held swearing not only allowable, but also good to be used etc. Answ. No it doth not, For though they esteemed it as a remedy against corruption, yet it follows not from thence, that they esteemed it good to be used. For, to make a law to massaere all the jews, Papist, Maggletonians etc. in the King's dominions, who spread up and down their corrupt doctrines therein, would be of as tendincy to remedy that corruxtion; yet it would not be good to be used: To hang men for telling lies against their honest Neighbours, or others would (doubtless) remedy that corruption, as much as wearing would he a remedy giving against in false evidence; yet that would not he good to be used, and indeed I know not whatis better to be used, to prevent false speaking, than to keep close to him who is the truth itself, and who hath commanded us not to swear at all. D: L: proceeds in his p: 98 ask Was not W: P: dotish when he brought this instance to prove the light in sufficient etc. Answ. Why Dotish? Doth it not prove clearly enough, that the light shown them, that to falsify their words was corruption? Why not sufficient then, to show them, that unless they kept to their words without any oath whatsoewer, it was corruption also? He queries farther thus, viz, Was it likely that the light or law in the best Gentiles would forbid all swearing at the same time when the law (outward) was in force, that allowed and commanded swearing? Answ. Why not? For the outward law, under that dispensation, allowed of hating enemies Matt. 5. 43. and of wars and fightings; but it is evident, some of the best Gentiles at the same time did not; but were taught more evangelical precepts, to wit of loving enemies, and ceasing from wars and fightings; of which I shall give one or two instances,, cited in G. K's Universal free grace of the Gospel; see in p. 126 the advice of Dindimus King of the brahmin's to Alexander the great, viz To cease warring against men without: and engage himself in another warfare, against then, nemies within himself; his lusts, his affection, his desires if he desired to be rich: indeed and to be a true Victor-assuring him that all his power, all his hosts, all his riches, all his pomp, would at last not avail him any thing; But (saith he) if thou wilt hearken to my words, thou shalt possess of my goods, who have God to my friends, and whose inspiration I enjoy within me. Thus thou shalt overcome lust the mother of penury, which never obtains what it seeks. Thus thou shalt, with us, honour thyself, by becoming such as God had Created Then next as to loving enemies, which the law allowed to hate see p. 133. how Lycurgus that famous Spartan Legislator, who, for making wholesome laws to reduce his people to good manners was hated and stoned, and among many other insolences sustained, had one of his eyes smote out, with acudgel, by a certain young man called Alexander, for which he being appreherded, and condemned to die, Lycurgus redeemed him, took him as a friend into his own house, and there taught him to live well, so that it's said he became a good man. Much more might be mentioned, which though the outward law, under the legal dispensation, allowed and commanded other 〈◊〉 to the jews; Yet G. K: himself saith p. 124 of the same book That that in them (the Gentiles;) which taught and enabled them to obey the truth in these things, was supernatural and Evangelical. Well in p. 99 he alleges, that To say, Isolemnly promise to declare in the presence of Almighty God etc. is a calling upon God to be a witness to the truth of the testimony given etc. Answ. Whether it be so or not, yet it is not swearing by God, or by any other thing. Neither is the practice of our Friends in America, in Courts or otherwise, contrary to the primitive principles of our Friends, as mentioned in their writings; which since D. L. is so good at searching, let him satisfy himself, if he please; where he may find sufficient to clear us, from his false charge of Apostasy, objected against us. In p. 99 100 he says In their Courts about Delawire I have seen Quakers give and command the Englesh normal oath to be given to those that were not Quakers. And mentioned Deu. L Loyd as a person guilty of the charge. Answ. It is admittable, how a man who pretends to write by a motion heavenly, can have the face thus to belie men However Let him see to the proof of the truth of this accusation, lea●, it he should happen to be called to an account for it in time to come, he might happen to fall under the temptation, of adding another ●●ve to all the rest, by miscalling such a prosecution, by the name of persecution. B●t to sum up the matter, the law is good, and was made for Liars, as well as for perjured persons, see 1 Tim 1. 10 and David L Loy● ●●t●rly denies his change. His 12 th' Chapter entitled Of 〈◊〉, Swearing and ●aying Tithes, n● gins with a notorious falsehood, in telling of which, he is ●ain to beg the question too, on this wise viz The Quakers having denied Jesus or Nazareth to be the Saviour of the world, and to be in heaven glorified in the true nature of man both in their ancient books, as is before shown (this is false; for our books sufficiently show the contrary) and now being charged with the same, and one persons so accusing or charging them having proffered to prove the same upon them at any public meeting they shall think sit to appoint, yet they refuse to hear with in t●ear etc. Answ. And why a public meeting? Hath not late expenence shown the little service there is in that? Therefore, since they have of late, by their numerous prints, end avoured to the utmost of their power, to prove this upon us, although to no purpose, as by our friends answers from time to time it may be seen; and seeing they are so uncharitably hardened against us, as that nothing of our explanations of such passages as they have round fault with, nor our solemn conse●●on to the Lord jesus Chri●●, both within us ●nd without us will suffice: What hopes can we have, that public meetings should have better success. Neither would the most public meeting that could be gathered, e●●ear so effectual a way for us to clear the th●●th we profess and ourselves, from the false charges published in print, by them against us, and disp●●sed abroad into so many places of the world, as our public answers, also in point, are, or may be. But that it may be seen, now wicked this D. L. is, in thus 〈◊〉 us; himself in the mean time knowing 〈◊〉 contrary, I shall now transcribe a passage or two, 〈…〉 he himself hath cited, out of the writings of G. Whitehead. and T. Ellwood. who are known to be Authors approved amongst us. D. L. in his p. 22 and Numb. 33 hath it thus; Answ. to Dr. Lancaster, by G: W: and six other, We sincerely believe in jesus Christ, both as he is true God and perfect man; our Immanuel and Mediator; and as in the fullness of time he was conceived by the holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, and was crucified and put to death, was buried, risen again, and visibly ascended into heaven— And that this same Jesus Christ that was crucified, shall so in like manner come (as he was seen to go in to heaven) at the last and great day of Judgement The next I shall puoduce is a passage of Tho, Ellwood's, in his Further Discovery, in answer to G: K, p: 72, G: K: alleging, that This gross and vile error, that Christ is not to come without us, in his glorified body to judge all mankind, I find too many in England guilty of T: E: says, I esteem as a vile slander, if, by many he intent many of the people called Quakers: And now, since I know they are apt to tell us, that these kind of confessions we had never come to had not G. K. driven us to it; and that we now preach Christ but of envy to G: K, because we would render him a false accuser etc. I do say, as this is very uncharitable, so I shall make it appear to be very false, by D: L's own Citations. For 2. 1st in p. 23 he citys G: W's answer to W. Haworth, p. 23 (wrote I suppose above 20 years ago, thus) Christ did rise in that body where in he suffered, and in the same ascended in to the heavens— and it is so far circumscribed in the heavens as 'tis capable of and as is proper to it; and though it be spiritual and glorious, yet a body, and therefore not in every place where God is. Likewise in sin p 12 he citys Foundat. of Tithes p 238 240 by T. Ellwood thus, viz Nor do the Quakers ascribe salvation to the following the light within, but to Christ jesus, to whom the light leads— If any one expect remission of sins by any other way than by the death of Christ useless tenders the death of Christ Thus far out of this very book of D: L's, as quoted by himself, out of our friends former Books. Likewise G: F, one of the most ancient as well as most ominent of the Quakers, in his journal, p 358, hath it thus We do own and believe in Jesus Christ, his beloved and only begotten Son, in whom he is well pleased; who was conceived by the holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, in whom we have redemption, through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins— And we do own and believe, that he was made a sacrifice for sin; who knew no sin neither was guile found in his mouth. And that he was crucified for us in the flesh, without the gates of jerusalem; and that he was buried, and risen again the third day by the Power of his father, for our justifiation: And we do believe, that he ascended up into heaven, and now sitteth at the Right hand of God etc. This have I produced here (omitting a great number more of testimonies which might be offered to the same effect) to show, first, D. L's unreasonable perridiousness, in his thus knowingly accusing us falsely. 2dly. To manifest over his head, that we do not deny, but really own Jesus of Nazareth to be the Saviour of the World, and that he is true God, and perfect man. And now I am speaking of these things, I think it not amiss, to clear our Friends from o'late false accusation brought by G. K. and his company against them, which is; That we own no other resurrection, but what is witnessed in this life, or the new birth; or that we get the resurrection fully immediately after death etc. But to show the contrary of this I shall bring, 1st. Tho. Ellwood's Further Discovery p. 72. in answer to G. K. thus, viz He says, Many hold, to my certain knowledge, That the Resurrection is the new birth, and nothing else: Others say, Immediately after death we get the Resurrection fully. If many by ● that hold thus, he means many of the People called Quavers, I neither own nor know any that hold such doctrines. 2dly. Likewise in the book called the Christian Doctrines etc. by G. W. and others, it is thus expressed viz, We sincerely own, not only a Resurrection in Christ● from the fallen, sinful state ne'er; but a rising and ascending into glory with him hereafter, that when he at last appears, we may appear with him in glory Coll. 3. 4. etc.— at the last trump of God, and voice of the Archangel, the dead shall be raised incorruptible. The dead in Christ shall rise first 1. Thess. 4. 16. etc. Thus far G. W. And now again, lest they should (as lately they have done) still tell us, we have learned this out of late, or that we have been of late forced to it by G. K. I shall therefore show one or two plain proofs to the contrary. First from Edward Burrough who died in the year 1662. who in his Works p. 440. speaking concerning the Resurrection, expresseth himself thus viz And we believe, even that he that was dead, is alive, and lives for evermore; and that he cometh, and shall come, to judge the world with righieousness, and all people with equity, and shall give every man according to his deeds, at the day of judgement, when all shall rise to condemnation, or justification, he that hath done good, shall receive life, and he that hath done evil, to everlasting condemnation. In the next place I shall produce a quotation out of an ancient book of Stephen crisps, entitled, A plain path way opened to the simple hearted, for the answering all doubts and objections, etc. where in his p. 12. he speaks thus concerning the Resurrection, viz, For he that knows a death and Resurrection after this manner; to be dead to sin, and to be risen with Christ Jesus in the new life, even while they are in this earthly tabernacle: before it is dissolved, such will never question their appearing at the judgement seat of God, after it is dissolved; but do believe it with joy and gladness, and have a fervent hope concerning the Resurrection of the dead, and have their expectation unto God in that matter, that he will according to his promise raise them up at the last day, and will give unto every Seed his own body, even as pleaseth Him, and the creature is not careful then about such foolish questions and doubts, as to inquire about what manner of body God will give them; but leave it to the Lord, in full Faith, that he will raise them up according to the Scriptures. Thus far S. C. And now lastly, what Authors shall I bring, to convince these our new opposers, that we do not deny, but own the Resurrection, according to the Scripture? Surely, none more fit, than their great, original Sect Master G. K, who in Presbyterian and Independent visible Churches etc. not yet retracted, which was written but in the year 1689, p. 3. 4, in answer to Sam. Norton's charging us with denying the Resurrection of the dead, saith thus, viz, That they deny the Resurrection of the dead, this is also a most false charge, which they can never prove; but because we deny their carnal conceptions of the Resurrection, and hold us to scripure words, which is most safe, therefore they have so belied us. And for the more satisfaction of the Reader (saith he) I refer him to a little book, called Truth's Principles published by some noted men of the Quakers. In which book, it is expressly affirmed, That we, to wit, the Quakers, believe that the same body which is laid down shall be raised up at the Resurrection of the dead, as much as a natural body can be the same with a spiritual body, or an earthly body can be the same with a heavenly body, according to the Scripure testimony; It is sown natural but raised spiritual: And the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. And this may satisfy any sober enquirer etc. Thus far G. K. To all which I say though this was so lately cited by G: K, out of a former book of our Friends, and laid down by him, as one of our principles, which he courts might satisfy any that inquires in sobriety; Yet, it seems, it will not satisfy him now, for which I fear the chief reason is, for that he himself is gone into Apostasy and bitter enmity. Having a little digressed upon this occasion, I now return to D: L's 12 th'. Chapter, where I find him in his p. 103, a Hedging against ●. Dickenson and S. Jenings, in particular, as follows 〈◊〉. Where fore some preachers particularly ●. Dickenson and S. Jenings have now found out a new argment to prove to their he nearers that they are indeed balyed (viz in being accoused for denying Jesus of Nazareth etc. as before mentioned) and that is, That their refusing to pay Tithes, to fight and to swear, are three proofs that they own Jesus to be Christ, and therefore they are falsely accused: Answ. Though hereupon he vaunts at no small rate, yet all proceeds from a grand mistake, at best: For neither they nor we do say, that our refusing to pay Tithes: to fight and to swear, are proofs of our owning Jesus to be Christ, but the reason for which we refuse to pay Tithes to fight and to swear, and our suffering so deeply on those accounts, is, because weilest Christ was in the flesh, he for●ade, and at his offering up himself, he put an end to these things; and yet our thus refusing to comply with, those things, because of his commands and prohibitions then given, is a good proof, that we own Jesus to be Christ: Did not Paul bring such manner of reasoning, to prove his hope and expectation of the resurrection of the, dead? see 1 Cor. 15. 32, where he said, If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth 〈◊〉, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die. Even so may we say; If Jesus be not the Christ, that offered himself up, and put an end to the ceremonial law of Twthes &c. Let us pay Tithes and keep ourselves out of prisons, and our goods from being spoiled. Oh! but this we can not do, because our souls are satisfied, that Jesus is the Christ, and hath put an end to these things. In the next place, he falls ●oul upon us about Government matters. He gins first with West jersey, the Province he lives in; but with what truth he relutes things as done there I refer to themselves to answer, if they think it worth their while. But since in his p. 104. 105 he pretends to give a relation, with reflections, upon some affairs relating to our Government of Pennsilvania, I shall not pass over that, but detect his abuses of us therein. He hath it thus, viz, Next, let us step over into the Government of Pensilvania, where in the year 1695 we find Coll. Benjamin Fletcher. then Governor of that Province, pressing upon the Assembly to raise a fund for his Majesty's service to wards securing the Province from the French and Indians, but this they could not do, No, it was against their tender consciences, contrary to their ancient testimony and principle; and so no fund was raised. Answer. This is not so, for Governor Fletcher's power here, expired before any Assembly sat, or was so much a chosen in the year 1695. Neither did he in 1694 press the Assembly, to raise a fund, towards the securing the Province from the French and Indians: So that allowing his one years' mistake, as to time; yet his charge in the main is utterly false. Neither was the reason why no money was ●eised then, because we pladed (as be falsely incinuates) it was against our tender consciences; for at that time the Assembly was satisfied, they had a very reasonable and sufficient plea, for their not complying with his desires, without alleging matter of Conscience in the Case. He goes on saying, But the next year W: Penn got the Government into his hands again, and then the Assembly meets again, and now they must do something towards maintaining the Frontiers at Albany, or lose their beloved honour of having the Government: for the Queen had commanded it and W: P: had engaged to comply therewith. Answ. A very idle story; for though the Queen's commands to all the Neighbouring Colonies, as to maintaining in part the frontiers at Albany, affected us amongst the re●●; and though, for Conscience sake, the Assemblies here could not performall things therein mentioned: Yet it does not all follow from thence, that the Assembly must therefore lose their share in the Government. Had they not the same power of Government under Governor Fletcher, as now, they have? Yes surely; Neither was the maintaining any thing of the frontiers at Albany, a condition of our Proprietaries original grant, or his restoration either. However I shall venture to say (as knowing these matters better than D. L.) That the Assembly's here, during the war, were very respectuall at all times to the Queen's commands, and so for as their Religious persuasions would admit thereof were ready to perform them. But what ashame is it for this D: L: to insinuate as it we so much loved the [honour] of having the government in our hands, as that for he saker thereof, and to keep that up, we would not stick to act against our principles. Whereas I would have him to know, we were never so fond of it, as, I am credibly informed, he is Who, notwithstanding his parties exclaiming against us for these 5 or 6 years past, as not living up 〈…〉 the Gospel dipen●tion, because we were concerned in Worldly Government, yet when an opportunity or a place in the Government; of West Jersey lately presented (whether for the sake of honour, or revenge, or both I know not) he presently falls in with it, embraces it, and becomes a justice of the peace; and than who but he for being concerned in Worldly Government, and its beloved honour too, such as it is; hough, how far his accepting of a Commission at that time, tended to the subversion of the oirginal rights and privileges of the people of that Province (I suppose) he could no ways be ignorant. Besides me thinks it looks poorly, meanly and pitifully in him, to accept of a Commission, especially upon such afoor as he did, so soon after his, Keithian company had so much exclaimed against others, and given caution to all professing the truth, and who were in scorn called Quakers etc. That they should not be concerned in Worldly Government; They were not to be judices, Sheriffs nor Constables; nay nor jurymen neither, in any criminal cases, see their book entiruled, A Testimony and Caution &c, p 1 and 2, which was given forth from their Monthly Meeting at Philip james his house in Philadelphia in the year 1692. I say that he should accept of, and embrace a Commission, especially upon such a foot, as he did, after their having thus exclaimed against others, for acting in the like capacity, though upon a basis that is just and right, and upon a foot that is firm and honourable, is a great argument to me, of his insincerity and perfidiousness. He further saith Well, to work they went, and soon ●ound a new name for their Act, and then courageously raise three hundred pounds for the Indians at Albany, and 〈◊〉 Da. L Loy● is sent to New York with it, to pay it to Governor Fetcher, for the use aforesaid; for now it was not against their tender consciences, why so? because they had Otherways worded the Act, yet intended it for the 〈◊〉, Answ. This is also false; for, first, It was not the next year that any was raised. 2dly What was done afterwards, was to relieve the Indians, in habiting beyond Albany, who where at peace with the Crown of England, and having been rob by the French etc. and o●●ed to desert their dwellings, were lest in great distress. And it is well known to some here, that if the Assembly at that time, had not agread to have raised money for them, by law there was an Essay intended to have been made, to have raised a sum for their relief, by charitable subscriptions, after such a like manner, as there was some raised here; for the relief of the distressed English in New England, and who were under almost the like circumstances, as the Indians were, and which I suppose D: L: was not ignorant of; therefore hi● flout of Otherwise wording the Act, and yet intending it for the same use, is ●●tterly false; neither hath he so much as attempted to produce any proof of it, but unfairly imposes upon his Reader, without it. As he also does, in what he aim concerning W▪ P's engagement. Then, as for what he saith about David L Loyd, whom he (Ishmael like) calls Starched Da: L Loyd that he was sent to New York with it, is also false: So that there is little else in this whole paragraph but lies and false hoods. I shall further add before I leave this head: that either D: L: had seen the proceed, Resolves and Acts of these Assemblies, before he wrote his book, or he had not seen them. It he had seen them, the more base man he, thus, contrary to his own knowledge, to misrepresent them. If he had not seen them, then may the Reader easily observe, at what a sandom rare, he ventures to bespatter us; as also it may be perceived, that as his proceed therein could not he honest and sincere, as he says they were, so neither could they proceed from a motion heavenly, as in his preface he pretends to. But this mischief maker doth not end his envious lying here, for in the same page, speaking of one Babit and his company's stealing a sloop from Philadelphia, saith thus; Upon notice of which the Quakers very speedily got a company of men together, searched the Town for arms, supplied them with guns, swords, powder and lead and gave them a Commission, and hired them for 100 L. to recover the sloop from said Privateers, which they did, and Sam. Carpeter paid down the 100 pound to the men, and the Assembly has since voted it to be a debt of the Province. Answ. Possibly some may think this to be a very straight story, and as certainly true, as he is cofidently false in it. As first, his affirming that the Quakers searched the Town for arms, this I am credibly informed is false, and that it was not the Quakers who did so, but others. 2.dly Supplied them with guns, swords etc. This was not likely to be true; for, though perhaps, there might be here and there one, that had a fowling piece (not that I have cause to suspect, that any person furnished them with so much as one) yet, I question whether they had any swords at all, to furnish them with. The 3dly is a third lie; For he saith, they gave them a Commission, which was not so, but a Warrant, to bring them back to justice in their own way, they being nor Friends that went by virtue of that Warrant after them. Then he adds and hi●ed them for 100, pound Where●● this was not to neither; it is true, after the men that followed them were, agreed to go, and in order thereto were got into the boat; Sam. Carpenter, to encourage them, called to them, and promised to give them 100 pound, if they would bring back the sloop and men. And if Sam. Carpenter was to blame in it, why did not G. K. instead of commending him and other's, for what they did 〈◊〉 deal of with Samuel about it, and say his evil actions (i● they were 〈◊〉) before him, in order to have recovered him? 〈◊〉 not a word of that then, it was Den Samuel with him man months after that, after till he began to differ with, separate from Friends; and than Samuel not joining with him, he spared him no more than others. Moreover, whereas D: L said, Sam: Carpenter paid down the 100 pound, and that the Assembly have since voted it a debt of the Province; Now this is not so neither, for there was no such sum voted; but the man will be meddling with things he knows nothing of. Then, as for his saying, that it was those whom the Quakers got to gether, and furnished with guns and swords and who had Commission, and were nired for 100 pound to do it, that recovered the sloop; here in it as worth one's observation, how prettily he contradicts his friend G. K. in the matter; who says, It was Peter Bess and one or two more with him, that retook the sloop, having neither gun, swords nor spear, see Antichrists and Saducees detected p. 7. Yet in their Appeal to the Yearly Meeting in 1692, G: K: among others, saith as ●. L. here saith, as to those who took the sloop. Thus tho●gh they ●oth be●n false witness, yet their witness agrees not together. I shall next take notice of a passage of his relating to Tithes, which may be seen in his p 107 thus I know none in Christ na●●, no, not the Priests themselves but they will deny that they take Tithes as Tithes, but only as ma●re 〈…〉 to preaching, and not as any other part or the 〈…〉. Answ. It may be so; For what other part of the Cerimonial Law did Tithes belong to, except to give part to the Stranger, the Fatherless and the widow; though that part our Priests do not care to perform, to be Sure. But ●●ee D. L. says, he knows none that say, they take Ti●●s as Tithes, I shall take Leave to tell him, That he seems to have pored so long on G. ●'s. Great Mystery &c. as to have bemudled himself, or dulled his sight, else he might have there seen, and so have known, That the Priests take Tyths as Thyths; for which I refer him to the following Passages. First in pag. 87. G. F. quotes the expression of a Priest thus, The Lord hath given Tyths for the maintenance of the Ministry of this Nation. And a littte lower he saith. The Priesthood is Changed, but not the Tyths abolished by the coming of any Substance. Secondly in Pag. 245. he quotes Gavin Eaglesheld Thus The Law is not changed that gave Tyths etc. Now I hope from henceforth D. L. may be satisfied, That the Priests did not deny their taking Tyths as Tyths; Besides, to talk of not taking Tyths as Tyths, is Just as good sense, as to say, D. L. does not tell Lies as Lies. But it is yet further observable, That D. L. ackowledged That Tyhts for the Maintenance for Preaching, being part of the Ceremonial Law, and consequently put an end to by Jesus Christ's. Offering up himself; And that being the chief Cause why our Friends refuse to pay them, must needs be an Argument to any sensible Man : s understanding, That we own Jesus to be the Christ And we know the Apostle saith, The Priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a Change also of the Law Heb: 7: 2. I shall now proceed to his 13. th' Chap: about Miracles, wherein he seems resolved to Act the part of one that would be Retrogade to any thing acted or done by a Quaker, especially if he thinks he hath found out a way to redicule it; thereof I think I shall not need to say much to it only some passages I shall hint at as followeth. He gins his Cavils against some passages in G. F's journal to which I need say no more than thus; That I am satisfied, That where at any time G. F. in his Journal hath mentioned any Miracle, which God had wrought by him; the Intent was not to set up of applaud the Creature, nor to boast of the work, but to give the praise and honour to God the Worker, to whom it belongs. As for what he saith in pag. 110; about G. F's. being called The Father of many Nations etc. I answer, thus hath been Answered so often already, particularly by W. P. in Judas and the Jews etc. and in Invalidity etc. and that to my satisfaction above twenty years ago, that I shall say no more of it in this place, than to re●er the Reader to the Books, for his satisfaction also. A little lower in the Same page, he Insinuates, that G. F. should pretend to the Gift of Tongues, to Interpret all Languages: which I am persuaded he shall never be able to make appear; But if he can, let him. In pag. 111. He pretends to object something worse against G. F. which, take as follows. But which is yet worse, if true, I have seen a sheet, called, An Essay, etc. lately put out by one T. C. wherein he shows that G. F. in answering Priests and Professor's Books, falsely quoted their Words and perverted them, etc. Which he would have W. P. to appear and clear G. F. from etc. Answ. If there be such a Book written by T. C. so accusing G. F. I question not but it is, or will be Answered; in the mean time, I will assent to D. L's. saying, if true it must needs be judged wicked etc. But I shall likewise add, if it be false, the reporting it must needs be wicked, in his Author T. C., and Idle and wicked in himself also, thus to repeat it, only upon the uncertain report, of such an open and unwearied Enemy of G. F. as T. C. hath been known to be for many years. In pag. 112. 113. he raises a mean Argument out of a quotation he produces out of G: W's book, Entitled Quakers Plainness. pag. 14. on this wise It seems— they have how lost this [visible miracles] and other Evidences of the Spirit, if ever they had them; ●or he there says, and what if God will not bestow such Gifts and Signs now, must we therefore be no Christians? etc. Answ. D: L's conclusion will not hold; first, G: W: did not in the least grant, that God would not bestow such Gifts now, but only asks, what if He will not? secondly, but if he had granted it, it does not therefore follow, that the Quakers had lost other Evidences of the Spirit; for surely the Spirit of God witnessing with our Spirits, that We are the Children of God, may be known now, as well as of old; and this can never be without such suitable works, as may be sufficient Evidence (to the People of God at least) that they are the Children of God, whether the Lord be pleased to bestow such Gifts, as were always perculiar to few, or not. And to such as had such Gifts bestowed on them, Christ Said. In this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you: but rather rejoice, because Your names are written in Heaven Luke. 10. 20. His 14. Chapt. Entitled, Of Life and Doctrine, he gins with a Base Insinuation (viz) Much more than formerly do my old Friends the Quakers cry out, This Life is the Only thing that is our all in all; 'tis no matter for Doctrine or Knowledge in this or that Principle; away with Creeds and points of Faith, so that we feel Life in our Bosoms, and flowing from Vessel to Vessel. Answer. Herein D. L. shows himself to be a more than Ordinary Scoffer, a Mere Ishmaelite, and a false Insinuator, as if we opposed Doctrine relaing to, and knowledge in the things of God, to the Life that we feel many times in our Bosoms. O ungodly man! Let him prove if he can, that ever one owned amongst us, thus expressed himself. But by his thus flouting at us, about the feeling of Life among us; it's to be feared (if ever he knew what it was) that he is now much degenerated, and far gone into the state of those, of whom the Apostle speaks, who were Alienated from the Life as God and past feeling Ephes. 4: 18, 19 And though in his pag: 115, he Compares (in some sense) our Friends Testimonies, with an affecting sermon of a Debauched Priest, which caused weeping eyes on every hand: yet his Comparison will prove but lame; for since we read, that Satan himself is transformed in to an Angel of Light 2. Cor: 11: 14. is it therefore a great wonder, that his ministers should be sometimes transformed, in to the Likeness of ministers of Righteousness. But doth not this as much reflect upon Peter's preaching, mentioned in ●●●s 2; where so many were pricked in their heart, in so much that they said unto Peter and the Rest, What shall we do? And might not such as D. L. with this kind of Arguing, as well have Incensed the minds of the People, against what the Apostle delivers, when, speaking of the powerful effect their Ministry had upon the people, He says, But if all Prophecy, and there come in one that believeth not or one unlearned [mark unleaned] he is Convinced of all, he is judged of all: and thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is in you of a Truth. 1. Cor. 14. 24, 25. And doubtless were those hearers now alive D. L. would say of them, as he does to us; Even such is the Devotion of all Zealous (but Ignorant) people. Yet of this we are well assured. That tho' God gives the Increase upon the Labours of his Ministers, and that Paul may plant; yet there are also Apollo's that water, as truly now, as of Old. As for what he says of Thomas M●sgroves Preaching at many Meetings about Delaware, That the flesh of Christ was a Constant enduring Paitence, and his blood a Lively operating Spirit of Life, or Divine operating Living Lo●e I Answ; I have been at many Meetings with him, but never heard any such thing as D. L. expresses (as I remember) from him, nor of him before, neither can I hear, upon Inquiry, of any one that ever heard him speak so. I am now come to his 15 th'. Chap. 1. 〈…〉, Sabbath day wheel turned round; where, speaking of some Quakers formerly having opened their shops, & followed their usual employments, on the first Day, both in Old England & elsewhere, he Cries out: But behold how the wheel is now turned! for the Quakers at Delaware being the Commanding Party of the Assemblies, have lately made Law to prefer the first Day before others, calling it the Lord's Day etc. Answ. We never preferred the first day above others, for any holiness in itself, as a day: Nor do we commonly call it the Lords Day, though in the Law, he mentions, we used that Word as the most proper of those that are generally given to it, to explain more clearly to all what was meant by the preceding word the first day, But if D: L: will have the Instance of two or three, who in the Beginning opened their Shops on a first day, to be a proof of our Degeneracy, because none do so now: we may, certainly, much more reasonably allege the Practice of all our Friends from the beginning, except those two or three, in keeping their Shops always shut on that day, till this very time, as a stronger Argument to prove, we are not degenerated in that point. The occasion of making that Law, he hints at, amongst us will be best spoken in its own words as follows To the end that Looseness, Irreligion & Atheism may not creep in, under pretence of Conscience in this Province: Be it enacted— That according to the Example of the Primitive Christians, and for the Ease of the Creation, Every First day of the week (called the Lords day) People shall abstain from their usual and common Toil and Labour, that whether Masters, Parents, Children on Servants, they may the better dispose themselves to read the Scriptures of Truth at home, or frequent such Meetings of Religious worship abroad, as may best suit their respective Persuasions. And truly notwithstanding the Clamour D. L. makesabout it now, I love Clamour so little, that I should not have been willing to have ventured, made anexchange with him, for the Clamours he would have made, if there had been no Law at all made here about it: For, I see, there is such a Spirit entered him, and others of them, that we must never expect to tread such such steps, as will prevent their finding fault with us. In pag. 119. he brings in G: W: querying thus, where dost thou read in the Scrpitures, that men must do no work on the first day of the week? Now to this I shall say, That G: W: proposed this Querie, to one who accounted the first Day, the Sabbath day, and that it was a sin in itself to work thereon, which we say it is not, there being no Command of God to be produced, requiring it so to be kept. But, as it is no sin to work on that day; so it is no sin to abstain from work on that day: for if it had, surely, the Primitive Christians would many times have sinned, in meeting to gether on that Day. It is no sin in itself, for the free People of West Jersie, to Choose their Magistrates and Officers, on another Day; and in another manner, than by their Laws and Constitutions is appointed: Yet, inasmuch as it is no sin, to Choose them on that Day, and in that manner, and it being according to their Law, and the People's Rights and Privileges, it ought to be kept (Let D. L. take notice of that) and so it is in the Case of abstaining from Labour on the First Day of the week. In pag. 120, he produceth a Prophecy of W: P: against I: H, which he would have to be false; but not withstanding his pretending, he always believed plainness and honest simple hearted dealing to be best; Yet, rather than he will lose the Advantage, of making W: P: look like a false Prophet, he hath Crastily, as well as knavishly left out those words, which would have showed, that the Prophecy was but Conditional, although (as laid down by D. L.) it's absolute. For proof whereof I shall transcribe it, first, as cited by D. L. and then as published by W. P.— D. L. bath it thus; So sure as God Liveth— the Lord will make thee an example of his fury, and thy head shall not go down to the Grave in peace and by this shalt thou know (says he) that not a Lining nor Delusive, but a true and Infallible spirit hath spoke by me: See Reason against Railing pag. 181. Now whether W. P. did not there belly the spirit of God? For I do understand that P. H. died at Peace in his bed, and with great satisfaction. Thus far D. L. Now hear the passage as it comes from W. P. As sure as God liveth, Grear will be the Wrath that shall follow Thee! Yea, God will visit for these unrighteous deal, and I testify to thee from God's living spirit, if thou desist not, and come to deep Repentance, the Lord will make thee an example of his fury etc. Now observe these words [if thou desist not and come to deep Repentance] D. L. hath (far unlike to a man that loves honest simple hearted dealing best) very dishonestly left out, because it rendered the Prophecy but Conditional, which Conditions, if performed, render also the Prophecy nevertheless true, tho' the judgement did not come upon him. Now desist, I do believe, he did; and whereas D: L: says, he understands he died at Peace in his bed, and with great satisfaction: I may possibly as truly say, he repent of his so Grievously abusing our Friends, before he Died; for I have been told so, by full as credible an Author [I suppose] as D. L 's was: but to say he died with great satisfaction, if D. L. mean without Repentance, I am satisfied his state could be never the better for that: For altho' he might reckon us no Christians (as Indeed he did) and so without the Pale of the Church; yet he ought to have walked honestly towards them that are without 1. Thess. 4. 12. which T. H. did not do by the Quakers, but by his misrepresenting them to the world, in his Dialogues, he did certainly do very dishonestly by them, in giving those for the Quakers Answers, and saying, they were no other but what the Quakers give both in words and practice; see Dialogue pag. 163, which he could never prove to be such; But (to my knowledge) when called upon for his proofs, used pitiful shirts to evade them, and at last wholly absented himself from the Meeting appointed for trial thereof. And that the Reader may see I do not misrepresent T. H. now he is Dead. I shall recite a few of his questions, and also what he gives for the Quakers Answers, and says it's no other than what they give forth etc. see his pag: 72. Question. Are you then as perfectly happy, as ever you expect to be? Answ. We Witness Perfection. Q. What proof is that to another man? A. We say we witness it; is not that proof Sufficient? Q. But what if I believe otherwise? A. We shall not spare to Stigmatize, and Comdemn that person, that questions the truth of our say. Q: Will this Convince me, or any other of your Perfection? A: Tho' it do not; yet thereby we shall render you so odious to our Friends, that they will believe nothing that is spooken by You against us? Q. Then may I not conclude, that the Reason whey you so freely rail against, and reproach your Opposers, is only to secure your Credit with your own Procesytes? A. I cannot deny but that there may be something of that in it. Q. Will you be so liberal of your Revile whether your Adversaries give Occasion or no? A: It concerns us to render them as ridiculous as we can &c: Q. But doth not this Signify a very dishonest and malicious mind in you? A. We care not what you think, provided our Friends think not so. This, with a great deal more that might be mentioned, was contained in the Book, which, as he was never able to prove, to be as he wroet; so let every Impartial man judge, whether these were like to be the Quakers Answers, or no, and if notwithstanding all these Grievous abuses of us by Th. H, he could lay down his head in peace with the Lord (which doubtless was the Peace intended by W. P.) without repentance; I think people need not much mind that Command of our Savour, As you would that men should do to you, do you also to them likewise Luk. 6. 31. Which I would have D: L: to mind. As for D : L's Appendix, I see little need to speak to it, the most of it being very much like his other rambling stuff, up and down throughout his whole Book; yet not willing wholly to pass it by, I shall make some few Observations, as followeth: In his pag: 129: under the head Of infallibility, He quotes a passage out of G: W's Voice of Wisdom: pag: 33. That they, that want Infallibility, are not true Ministers: Now, several of the Books he quotes I want, and this among the rest: Therefore, whether this be fairly quoted or not, I know not; Yet I believe the thing to be true (viz) That where any Minister, is not Infallibly assured, that what he ministers to the People, is from the movings, and guidings of the holy Spirit of God, so far he is not a true Minister; If any man speak, (saith the Apostle) let him speak as the Oracles of God 1: Pet: 4: 11: then to be sure, it must be from the Spirit of God, which is Infallible: And as God's Spirit is Infallible, so are its teachings and guidings: Now, that G : K: (as well as G: W: &c:) hath wrote in defence of Infallibility is clear; for in his Book, Entitled Divine immediate Revelation &c: p: 13: [not retracted] we have it thus, We place not an absolute Infallibility upon any person or persons whatsoever, but we say, the spirit of God in all its Leading, Teachings, and Motions, is Infallible, and men only Conditionally, so far as they receive, and are in unity with those Leading, Teachings, and Motions, are Infallible: We say further, that every True Christian hath an Infallible Knowledge and Faith, of all such things as are absolutely necessary to salvation; But as to other things he may Err, if he be not watchful to follow the Infallible Guidance of God's holy Spirit: But if this Author thinketh, he has no Infallible Faith or knowledge of any point of Doctrine, he is a mere sceptic and unbeliever: for all true Faith is Infallible; That which is allible is but mere Opinion; and Conjectural: Likewise in his Help in time of Need he saith Are not ye as bad, (meaning as had as the Papists) who openly affirm, that ye are hot led by the Infallible Spirit, and consequently not by the spirit of God: Now here we see, that G : K: owns Infallibilias well as Friends, viz. So for as they are led by the spirit of God, and no Farther. And if D. L. be as I●p●rtiall as he pretends to be, since he hath in his p. 62. and 64. so much ridiculed W. P. about this very matter, which is exactly according to G. K's. own sentiments in the point, how can he let G. K. escape his censure, or else send to him to retract it; But doubtless he had better let it alone, least by undertaking to mend one hole, he make two; For, in the Retractation Book itself, G. K. saith He is no sceptic in Religion, but that he, and all sincere Christians, hath an Infallible Faith and persuasion, in things, Relating to the Fundamental and Essential Doctrines of Christianity. In his foresaid p. 129. He offers a quotation, out of Winifrid P's. Rebuke to twenty one Divines p. 22. thus We are horribly abused in saying, We pretend all our Ministers to be infallible. Now I am sure D. L. hath horribly abused W. P. in this matter; for he hath left out the explanatory part, which is this We ascribe not an Infallibility to men, but to the Grace of God; and to men, so far as they are Led by it. Tho I want several of the Books, quoted by him, in that part under the Head of Temporising; Yet I shall speak a little to it, to show what a meddling Man he is. He gins it with a Passage, he says to be Geo. F's. taken out of a paper Entitled, To the Parliament of the Common Weal etc. Thus, Let all those Abbey Lands that are given to the Priests, be given to the Poor of the Nation. To which he opposes a Passage, out of W. P's. Preface to his Persuasive to Moderation Thus Far be it from me to solictit any thing in diminution of the Just rights of the Church of England; Let her Rest protected where she is. Answer. I cannot see, how G. F's. Advice to the Parliament, about bestowing abbey Lands upon the Poor of the Nation, of W. P's. moderation, in not soliciting, for any Diminution of the Church of England's Just Rights; can he said to be either 〈◊〉 or Contradictory. For unless he can prove all those Abbey Lunds, that were given to the Priests, either in the year 1659. the time of the Date of that Book or before to be, it that time, the just Rights of the Church of England, it will not do any of his business at all. For the Church of England hath her Rights, in such suspects derived from the Authority of the Nation● And so, that which may be termed her Rights under one Authority, may not under another; for I suppose they are not nored any to 〈◊〉 as Alterable as the then present Authority still pleased, Else how should they be now Imagined to be one Church of England's Rights, and not Rather the Church of Rome's? Besides, how comes W. P's. moderation toward the Church of England to be Construed Temporising under the Reign of a Popish Prince. He proceeds to Cavil against W. P. and offers a Quotation out of England's Interest Pag. 36. in these words, We say Holy Writ is the Declared Fundamental Law of Heaven. whereupon D. L. says Note, how W. P. Confounds himself or deceives his Readers, or both, for in his rejoinder (as aforesaid) he takes up several pages ●● prove the Scripture Corrupt and uncertain, so much slighting, it that he terms it J. Laldo's uncertain Word of God, pag. 39 and yet here calls it, The Declared Fundamental Law of Heaven. Answer. What W. P. saith in England's present Interest; as here cited by D. L. is either true of false, if D. L. will say it's false; he Contradicts the Protestant part of the Christian World; who hold and have declared holy Writ to be the outward Rule both of faith and Life, and if D. L. says it's true, than he says as W. P. says: besides W. P. did not lay it down as his own Judgement only, but as the belief of the Protestants in General whom he was then personating, in opposition to the Popish Arrogancy of Assuming a Power, to impose upon People in points of Religion, tho' Contrary to Scripture and Reason. And whereas W. P. says, some scriptures are Corrupted, Let D. L. deny that, if he can, his friend G. K. owns it, as I have already shown: but who unless a prejudiced Adversary would find fault with two such Expressions, which he himself cannot deny to be true, and almost all Christendom do own, and yet surely they do not mean that corrupt part, to be either holy Writ, or the Fundamental Law of Heaven. But how D. L. comes to be so senseless, as to bring in this, under the head of Temporising, I must Confess he is wiser than I, or I beheve himself either, that can tell. Next in his page 131. he citys an Epistle of E. Burroughs, bearing date 1661. as follows. Keep close to the Lord, and to the measure of himself, made manifest in your own hearts; for unto that you are directed, in the beginning, and in it is your safety and preservation to the end, but says, D: L: afterwards, W: P: controls this plea of E. B. in his Brief examination pag. 11. saying, The Enemy Is at work to scatter the minds of Friends, by that lose plea, viz. what hast thou to do with me? leave me to my freedom, and to the Grace of God in myself etc. Answer. To keep Close to the Lord, and to the measure of himself in our hearts according to E. B. is too good Counsel to be disputed against. But now here we may see, what need there is of having the Books on both sides, to examine D. L's. quotations by: for who not knowing the occasion of W. P's. Writing thus, (as D. L. has Cited him) but would have thought he had thwarted E. B. Now, tho' I have not the Book by me, yet I pretty well remember the Subject of it which was to show, what was real spiritual Liberty, and what was then only pretended as such, and was Chief leveled against a Faction, stirred an at that time, by John Story and John Wilkinson; who did not only oppose the Women, in their Meetings of Service (which D. L. saith are certainly of service p. 66.) in deeds of Charity and Hospitality; but also, to escape sufferings, would Drop the Testimony that they came forth with, in the beginning (which as D. L. saith was in Life and Power) Now as some of old ●urned the Grace of God into Lasciviousness, Judas. 4. so these turned from that grace which had called them, and brought them forth in life and power in the beginning and 〈◊〉 the liberty of the spirit 〈◊〉 liberti●● 〈…〉 in the flesh, of shunning the cross, and 〈…〉 which they came forth in, when they came forth in life and power, much like those with whom Paul was exercised, when he thus expostulated with the Galathians viz. Are ye so foolish? having 〈…〉 made perfect by the flesh? Have ye● 〈…〉 in vain? Gal. 3. 3. 4. And although Pau● commended the beleivers to God and the word of his grace, Acts 20. 23 telling them; it was able to build them up, and to give them on inheritance among all them which are 〈◊〉: Yet he did not think that inconsistent with his telling this Church who seemed to lean to circumcision, on the account of avoiding persecution, see ch. 5. v. 11. If ye be circumcised, Christ shalt profit you nothing v: 2. For he was so Zealous in the case, as to say; I would they were evencut off which trouble, you v: 12. Now, might they not have said to Paul, Thou hast commended us to the grace of God; james hath sold us, The engrasted word is able to save our souls, james 1. 21, and john says, The anointing which ye have received of him, abideth in you: & ye need not that any man teach you: But as the same anointieg teacheth you of all things 1 john 2. 27. Canst not thou therefore leave us to our freedom therein? It may be we think it best to be circumcised etc. But can any think, that such a kind of a plea, would have recommended them any thing the more to the Apostles, as men of truth, and of a found mind? Surely not It is true, Paul told them, ●e have been called unto liberty; but he also added further, Use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh Gal. 5: 13. And that hath been our Friends care with those people for which they have made so much a do. In p. 135 he finds fault with some Quakers for praying for King james, with is so far from being condemnable, that it is very agreeable to the Apostles exhortation 1 Tim. 2. 1. 2 That inpplications, prayers, invercessions and giving of thanks be made for all men: For Kings, and for all that are in Authority. But (no doubt in his fancy) to hit the Quakers home, he says; As affectionate as they were to King james, they could not by their prayers mark how he scoffs at prayers) help him in those troubles that followed, nor did they by their spirit of discerning tell him of it before hand etc. Answ. A very foolish observation, and a sort of an Athelstical taunt! I do tell him, that as the Quakers are no unseemly bo●ssers of what they can effect by their prayers; neither is it my design to compare them with the Apostles: Yet this scoffing re●●ction, may (if he dare make so bold with them as well affect the Apostes, as the Quakers, who prayed for Kings, and all that were in Authority, and exhorted the beleivers so to do, and yet how many troubles did the ●●ings and Governors in their days undergo, and perhaps, many ●im●s it might be for their good too. Then, ●s for a spirit of discering, I deny that ever it was the Quakers principle, or indeed that they are so conceited, as to Imagine, much less to declare, that they can always discern, beforehand, what particular troubles, Kings and Princes, or any others shall mere with in this world. To pray for them is but our Christian duty; but as for what troubles they may here after meet with, God who only is omni— scient knows and none else, unless, at any time he is pleased to reveal it to any particular person or persons. But to bring the matter a little the more home upon D. L. I shall produce an example of one of his great friends applicable to this case, which take as follows; I remember when a paper was published by Authority at Philadelphia, to show among other things, that G: K: had traduced the Magistracy and Authority of this place, we were told, that G: K: went on the same day to the Barbadoss house, where amongst a mixed Auditory, he read an answer pulickly to the said paper, and when he had done (possibly that he might be thought not to disown Authority) went to prayer, wherein he prayed for King William and Queen Mary. Now what would he or others have said, if we had flouted at him as D: L: does at us, and told him, that by all his prayers he could not help the King and Queen out of the great troubles which they were then, and continued many years after to be involved in nor could he tell before hand of the Queen's death etc. But thanks be to God, he hath taught us better ways to answer those who oppose the truth, than such sorroy ones as this our Adversary makes use or against us. He proceeds thus, But rather that he was secure and got through all his troubles. Answ. By what D. L. himself hath cited of their words, it pleanly appears, that it was only such troubles as he had then already met with, particularly in Scotland. And though they might use the words [all his troubles [that does not always conclude past, present and to come, neither did it at all in this case, any more than Paul's saying (after he had mentioned the troubles he had met with at Antioch, ●conium and Lystra thus) But out of them all the Lord delevered me doth imply, that he should meet with more. Furthermore, the Apostle speaking of the troubles he met within Asia, saith, For we would not, Brethren, have you ignorant of our, trouble which came to us in Asia that we were pressed our of measure, above strength, in so much that we despaired even of life: Bu● we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead. Who delivered as from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we must this he will yet delive us, 2. Cor. 1. 8. 9 10. Yet at last he was put to death at Rome. In the next place I shall take some notice of D. L. ●. 〈◊〉. In his p. 137. 138. he asks, Why this following doctrine, so frequently preached formerly by ancient friends, is how let fall, and nor preached by any of you, viz I the Light will overturn nations, Kingdom and Gathered Churches etc. and citing many books as News out of the North &c: p: 15. I am the same door that ever was (says G: F: the same Christ, to day, yesterday and forrver etc. Answ: This is but a mere begging the question: For as he hath not proved, so I deny, that the doctrine of the fight was frequently preached by ancient friends in those terms: And as for those words in the above cited News out of the North; with several others cited ●y him, I cannot sufficiently speak to them ●auing not the books, and by what is before written, it is easy to see, that he ought not to be trusted in his quotations, he is so exceedingly perfidious in them: As a farther confirmation of this charge, I shall produce another proof as followeth. I happening to have one of the books he citys in the abovesaid page, viz G. F's Great Mystery, out of which he pretend to produce a quotation, thus, And though that same spirit that raised jesus from the dead, is equal with God viz. the holy Ghost, see Great Mystery p 66: 127 I diligently searched both those places, and do affirm, there are no such words to be found in either of them: But I find in p. 127 that a Priest charged G: F: with professing equality with God, whereupon G: F: tells us that the Assembly of Divines in their Catechisia, say, The holy Ghost is equal in power and glory with the Father. Now (says G: F:) every one that comes to witness the son of God, and the holy ghost, &c: by your account they witiness that which is equal in power & glory with God, and that his words were spoken beyond all creatures & out of all creatures, that he did not say G: Fox: Now is it not as clear as the sun, that D: L: hath again grieviously abused both G: F: & also his Reader: For it is one thing to witness the holy Ghost which is equal in power and glory with the Father to be in us (according to G: F: even beyond unterance; and another thing to profess ourselves equal with the Father Son or holy Ghost either, as this abusive D: L: would render us. In p: 138: 139: he asserts this falsehood, viz, 'Tis the faith or belief of all your preachers in general▪ That when you preach or pray, 'tis not you, but Christ in you that prays: I prove this to be your belief by these two reasons: First, You do never in your meetings pray for pardon or forgiviness of sin (Not that I have heard in twenty years due attendance) for seeing 'tis Christ in you that prays, there is no need of it, he being without▪ sin. Answ: He may as well charge all those holy men of old, who have prayed to God, and yet heave not in all their prayers asked pardon for sin, with the same as he falsely charges us with here, viz, with believing, that it is Christ in us that prays: And in order to prove, that what he objects against us, was not the common practice of the primitive Church, I shall produce an example, which at this time occurs to my mind, as it is related Acts. 4. 24. to 31. where we find that the Church then assembled together, lift up they voices with one accord in prayer to God; in which prayer there is not one word of confession of, or begging pardon for sin: And if D: L: be so blind, as that he can perceive no difference or distinction to be made, between Christ by his spirit helping our infirmitie's, in our prayers, which we say he doth, and without which we cannot pray as we ought see Rom: 8: 26: and saying, that 'tis Christ in us that prays, which we say not; we cannot help it: Then what, or how due his attendance hath been, for twenty years, I know not, but sure I am, I have heard earnest cries and servant supplications put up to God in our public meetings, for pardon and remission of sins, many times in less than ten years. His second reason is this You do not pray to Christ▪ becaiuse it being Christ in you that prays, it is absurd for Christ to pray to himself. Answ. This is again a mere begging of the question▪ for we say no such thing, as that when we pray, 'tis Christ prays in us; but as above 'tis Christ by his spirit that assists his children in their prayers, who said, Without me ye can do nothing John 15▪ 5. He continues in his p. 139. to cast many unjust reflections, upon us, in relation to these two heads, of not praying for▪ pardon of sins, and not praying to Christ at all; which is partly answered already, but in order to the more full clearing the latter objection, I shall take notice of one passage more in the same page. After he hath opposed the Apostles, Saints and Martyrs to us, he concludes that paragraph thus, viz, Both Apostles and other Christians frequently prayed to Jesus Christ, as well as to God the Father. Answ. This affects not us at all, as to what he insinuates, that we do not pray to Christ, because it is neither against our principle nor practice, and if he will not believe us in relation to this assertion, yet methinks he might credit his Friend G. K. in the matter, who in p. 121. 122. of his Way cast up saith; He hath not only himself done so; but also hath heard others expressly naming the words Jesus Christ: Although (saith he) when we express not these words, yet if we pray by the move of his li●e and Spirit, we pray in the name of Jesus etc. And he farther saith; I have heard expressly such petitions put up in our prayers at our meetings unto Christ, as, Jesus son of David have mercy upon us. O! thou blessed Jesus that wert crucified and died for our sins, and shed thy precious blood for us, be gracious unto us— O! thou our merciful High Priest, whose tender bowels of compassion, are not more straitened, since thy ascension, but rather more enlarged— Thou art our Advocate and Mediator in heaven with the Father, our merciful▪ High Priess— Thou blessed Jesus, thou know●st our most secret desires and breathe, which we offer up, into thee, in the inab●ngs of thy blessed ●ife and spirit, that thou mayst present them unto thy Father▪ and our Father, that in thee we may be accepted, and our services also; and for thy sake, our defects and short come, our sins and transgressions, that we have committed may be forgiven us. These and such like expressions, frequently used by us in prayer, both in secret and also in public, in our assembly's, plainly demonstrate, that we worship and pray unto the Mediator betwixt God and man, the man Christ Jesus. Thus far G. K. All which affords us matter sufficient against D. L. in relation to his false charges, and unjust insinuations against us. As first, Whereas in p. 102: he saith, we deny Jesus of Nazareth to be in heaven glorified in the true nature or man: Here G. K. says: He hath heard expressly such expressions to Jesus, and that they are frequently used by us in prayer, as, Thou art our Advocate and Mediator in heaven with the Father, Our merciful High Priest, and which (saith he) plainly demonstrates, that we worship and pray unto the Mediatos betwixt God and man, the man Christ Jesus. dly 2 That twhen we pray, we do not pray to Christ, as D. L: charges us in his p. 139: Whereas here G. K. confesseth, that we frequently pray to Jesus expressly, and that as he is in heaven our Advocate and Mediator, the man Christ Jesus etc. And 3dly. That we frequently pray, that our sins and transgressions may be forgiven us; expressly contrary to what ● L. falsely allegeth against us in the aforesaid page Now either it is true that G. K. hath heard these expressions, and that they have been frequently put up by our Friends in prayer; or it is not true. If it be true; then is D. L. by G. K's own free confession concerning our practice a false accuser of us. If it is not true; then will it fall heavily upon G. K. not as a thing that he hath been mistaken about in point of opinion; but as a thing he has published against his own knowledge and conscience, in pretending that he heard such expressions, and that not now and then only; but that they have been frequently used in our prayers. Neither do I know how G. K. can retract these testimonies concerning our friends when they pray, without giving the down right lie to himself For it is not a little otherways wording the matter; nor pleading a little failure in syntax; nor any curious wire drawing neither, that will help either of them out at this dead lift. As to his charge upon G. W. in p: 140. That of late years— in answering books— he has not taken▪ notice of scarce a twentieth part of a book, but only sends out something, and to please— people and that they may have something to say, when people cry, where is the answer to such or such a book. I Answer, First, he should have told us what book that is which G. W. hath given as a full answer to a Book, and yet scarce that twentieth part of the book taken notice of, or else to be sure he doth nothing to the purpose. 2dly. There may be the same reason showed by G. W, why he took no notice of many particular pass ages in some certain books, which he hath answered, as G. K. shown, why he did not answer to many things in Cotton Mather's book, see his Serious Appeal p. 8: thus, Because Cotton Mather had not distinctly answered my former book against him: As also that the said Mather's book was filled with manifest falsehoods, perversions and abuses, sufficiently replied unto, partly by others, and partly by me (saith he). Which may serve for an answer to D. L. in relation to G. W's. late answers to Opposers (especially Backsliders and Apostates) books. At the latter end of the book D. L. publishes a letter, said to be sent to him by a person of note. Now whoever this person of note be, as I know not; so I matter not; but however, A person of note I will grant him to be, in that he so abominably abuseth both the Quakers and his Reader, and like a man infatuated, imposeth such palpable falsehoods upon them, or which I shall take some notes though he has deprived me of the opportunity of taking a note of his name. First. That the thoughts of the sudden stop the Philadelphia Quakers met with, when they were so not it persecuting G. K. and his friends, may in some degree check them, and hinder them from doing what otherways they would p. 142. 143. Answ. 1st. That which they call persecution was not so, but only a calling them to account for their abuses to Authority here, as may be seen in the book called A Modest account etc. And 2dly. It is false, that they met with a sudden stop when they were doing of it. For our friends were in the Government move four months after the trial and fining of G. K. etc. In all which time, I do not remember that any of them were so much as examined upon any account whatsoever by the Authority of the Place▪ and possibly if they had not given fresh occasion, there might have no more ●e●n said about it to this day▪ For that business was not so delightful to those then in Authority as he and others may imagine. 2dly. He imposes upon his Reader a kind of a miracle▪ in these words Since I was with thee at Burlington in 1692. I have thought that God Almighty was then fitting thee for some purpose, because of the sudden and miraculous recovery▪ in great Part, of thy speech, from the extreme impediment of stammering, which thou had when I was with thee two years before; and I remember I heard thee then say, thou hadst it from a Child etc. Answ. In this observation of this person of note, I note two things observable 1st. Though I know not that I ever saw D: L: yet by what I have heard, it seems to be the greatest miracle of the two, that he should be thus recovered of his flammering tongue, and yet his Neighbours and others who often converse with him, know nothing of is 2dly. After this person had told D: L: that in this book, he had discovered and laid open the Mystery of iniquity more clearly than he had seen it done by any other: for which he prayed God of his bounty to reward him &c: he tells him as above, that Since he was with him at Burlington in 1692. he had thought that God Almighty was fitting him for some purpose, because of the sudden and miraculous recovery of his speech etc. As if God had intended him for some great work to be performed with his tongue; Whereas the great work that has appealed (whether it ●e the work of God or the Devil, let the Reader judge) has been the writing of a 〈◊〉 and ●ous and reproachful books, all which might have been done, if his speech had been so totally taken ●om him, as that he could not have spoken one word. 2dly. He falsely as well as without proof asserts these falsehoods Such things as are indeed fundamentals of the Christian Religion▪ they account ni●iries, circumstantials, and smaller matters, and care not how confusedly they preach them. But what are really circumstantials or smaller matters, as Tithes, Mint &c: (and not of necessity for a Christians practice) they make the Fundamentals of their Religion. All which suggestions I deny as f●lle, and had he but a name, I should require him to prove them. 4thly As groundless as well as proofless is his insinuation, That it seems Pe●ple may sing the Quakers writings, but not David's, by their allowance. For we allow the singing of David's Psalms, full as much, to say no more, and in as true a sense, as the singing of Quakers writings▪ but we see no service in either, to be sung in that formal way, as is commonly and customarily used amongst people. 5thly His flirt about bowing the body, to which he joins, that of the Quakers in England, that live in great Towns and cities, Causing their apprentices to stand bare headed before them etc. I shall take no farther notice of than to tell him, If he had named them, and proved his charge, perhaps he might have received a farther answer to it▪ 6thly His story about Walter Clark, Walter Clark denies▪ as stated by him; so that I cannot but esteem him false and abusive in this also. To which I may add, as all of a piece, his envious reflection surmised after this manner, viz. I question whether ever they 〈◊〉 be able to wrestle down the worldly Governors with only little guns, till they get great ones. Scoffingly infinuating, as if we were for throwing down worldly Governors with guns. A notorious sl●ander. 7thly He taxes W. P. with Boeing turned Painter and seems to charge him, with denying, that G. F. was a shoemaker; because in his preface to G. F's journal, he declares his outward vocation to be a shepherd. As i● it were impossible for him to have been a Shepherd and a Shoemaker both; which if this scribbler imagines, I would query, how his esteemed Friend D. L. came to be a Surveyor and Planter, as well as a justice of the Peace and Almanac-maker, which are four vocations to the others two. 8thly His story of G. F's having the midwife so long attending on his wife, expecting her delivery of some child of wonder (she being near 59 years of age) bu● at last brought forth no child, and the midwife dismissed. And the reason he pretends to give why this was not put in the Journal, viz, It would be enough to give the lie to his pretended spirit of discerning. I believe I have, heard the ●ruin of, from as credible an Author, and from one that know the businese, perhaps better than this person of note, or any that informed him; who told me, that G: F. never did believe that his wife was with child, and consequently did not expectea child of wonder. Neither would the inserting the thing in the Journal, as it really was, have given the lie to the spirit of discerning, G: F: was endued with. 9thly As to his saying, I dare engage the Quakers will never print a Collection, of them [G: F's] He had books best have a care what he engages upon it, lest if he live a few years longer he lose his engagement. 10thly. What he produceth out or Edward Burrough's Works about the sufferings of Christ, as to the substance of it, hath been answered by our Friends already, particularly by G: W: in his book called A Sober Exposti●l● 〈◊〉 etc. p. 65. 11thly. He saith, Their books of controversy are so stuit with gross lies, grand forgeries, wicked perversto●●, false insinuations, and shameful calumnies, as are the the late books of S. Jenings, T. Ellwood, the Penington's, G. Whitehead; C: Pusey and others etc. To which I shall only say, These are very high charges; but the proofs not made to appear, and therefore refer the Reader to the books of the Friends mentioned by him, both their answers to G: K: and replies to G: K's: answers to theirs. 12thly. As to his saying, They thrust in the Revolution of souls into the present controversy, though it be no part of the Controversy. I answer. If G: K: will limpose such doctrines upon us, and controvert such points with us, as he cannot (at least toour understandings) make our without introducing this notion of the Revolution of souls; This very practice makes the said notion become a part of the Controversy. But that G: K: hath so done, is made appear, in the book styled▪ A Modest Account etc. therefore the Revolutions is part of Controversy. And now being about to conclude, I shall take notice of an expression of D: L's: in his p. 140, which is this, Now I sincerely profess, that I have done nothing herein but with an honest design, not having wilfully or knowingly wronged either books or Authors, in any one passage. Answ. Therefore I having detected him, and hereby given him to know, that he hath wronged both books and Authors, and that in many passages, he ought now to acknowledge it: For i● we could believe his design to be honest and sincere; yet we must needs conclude, that he has woefully misi it in the management; and to make it the more observable to the Reader, as well as to himself, I shall here present to his immediate view a summary collection of a few of the many which might be produced out of this book, he is chargeable with▪ 1st. false it is which ●e ●ites cut of p. 66. and say of G. F's Great Mislery in his p. 138. viz. He that hath the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is equal with God etc. For there is no such thing to be found in either page. 2dly. False it is which he objects against G: W: in his p▪ 30▪ where he affirms, that G: W: quarrels with the word God▪ man For according to the place he refers to as cited by himself, G: W: speaks thus As for those expressions God-man being born of Mary, we do not find them in the scriptures, nor do we read that Mary was the Mother of God, but in the Pope's Canons etc. So that the word God-man is not what G: W: objects against, but God-man born of Mary; which much altars the case, for to say, God as well as man was born of Mary, was too like the Pope's calling Mary the Mother of God▪ For that which was conceived in her was of the Holy ghost but not the Holy Ghost. Matt. 1: 20. 3dly. False it is which he quotes in the same page out of G : W▪ s book styled Quakers Plainness, viz, That Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, That he is God man, etc. Whereas there is no such thing said there for G: W: in that place giving some account of our saith, saith, Which is that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, and that he is God▪ man the son of God; yea and God manifest in the flesh etc. But not one word of his being God-man. No, it only looks like a trick of D: L: to render G: W: opposite to himself in relation to the former passage, possibly thinking we were so ignorant, that we could not find out these his unfair and unjust deal. For that which G: W: makes two words of, with a right distinguishing, stop D: L: makes but one with a dash between, thus, God-man, without any distinguishing stop as G: W: hath it thus, God-man. 4thly. False it is that W: P: (as he affirms P: 5:) says▪ Sandy Foundation p: 14. If the only God is the Father▪ and Christ be the only God, then is Christ the Father which is ridiculous and shameful. 5thly False it is that W: P: says (according to his quotation p. 6. out of Sandy Foundation p. 22) that Christ could not pay what was not his own [debt]. 6thly False is his assertion in the same page that W: P▪ holds, that Christ had a debt of his own to satisfy to God. 7thly False it is which In p. 14. he pretends to cite out of G: W▪ s Christian Quaker p. 212, That we plead for the Righteousness of a creature [i. e. Christ as man] or man's own righteousness. For there is no such word as [Christ as man] as I have a fore shown. 8thly False it is which he produceth p. 23. as an expression of G: W's in his Nature of Christianity p▪ 29, viz, Christ has not the body of man. 9thly False it is which in the same page he alleges against G: W, viz that He denies Christ's bodily existence without us. 10thly False it is which he offers in p. 37. as W: P's Sandy Foundation p: 21. Christ as man was finite, viz▪ came to an end. For these words, viz : came to an end, are not W: P's. 11thly An abominable falsehood it is, that in Sandy Foundation p. 20. W: P: calls Christ, The finite and impotent creature, see p. 38. and many other places of his book. 12thly False it is which in p. 40. he says of W: P, viz But W: P: makes the benefit of his coming to be no more but to show man more plain what he saw before as through a glass. It being also contrary to what he himself hath cited as his words in the same page. 13thly False it is which he asserts in p. 102, viz, That the Quakers▪ have denied Jesus of Naeareth▪ 14thly False it is which he affirms in p▪ 139, That we do not pray to Christ▪ and as false; That we never in our meetings pray for pardon or forgiveness or sin. His Friend G: K's acknowledgement concerning us, as a fore cited, shows the contrary in both respects. Thus have I collected some of the palpable lies and fla●● hoods he is guilty of, as by the books which I have by me cited by him may appear; what more there might be found especially if we had all the books he mentions to inspect and examine, can only be guessed at at present, by what I have 〈◊〉 in those books which I have examined. As for what untruths and falsehoods he has in p 94 and 95 told of John Wood, the said John Wood's own vindication with certi●●●tes under his neighbour's hands, as also his abuses put upon some others of his Neighbours in his own Province of West Jersey in relation to the mi●●ating of some public affairs; may be made to appear in their appear colours in their Postscript. And now Reader, Is it not strange that altar all this D: L: should be so confident, as to call upon Sam. Jeninges John Simcoc●, John R●d 〈◊〉 etc. to come forth and appoint a public meeting, to prove our charges in the face▪ of the world, of their abusing us and our books in falsely citing passages but of the same, and wronging their sense. Whereas in this very book of his he is guilty of such abundance of it▪ But D. L. rests not here; for in p 141 he manifests, his impudence yet farther in these expressions, Therefore I▪ LL give the world a sign, by which they may know that you do not only abuse, belly & charge us falsely in this case▪ But also, that your own consciences tells you that you are, guilty of so doing. The sign is this; If you know and are conscious to yourselves that you have and do so belly us, etc. then you'll not come forth, according to this proposition; But if you find you can get the least advantage of us, by out witting or otherways wording the matter (th●● with never so much falsity) than you'll come forth, and ●e glad I give you this opportunity. And by this sign shall you be proved. Answ. it is easier to prove, this his sign to be a sign of his guilt confidence and impudence, than a sign of what he wo●ld pretend to make out by it▪ for this sign fails in▪ all it▪ s marks, as thus; ●● we were guilty of abusing them, it doth not at all follow, that therefore we would not come forth according to his proposition: For the same spirit which leads men to wrong and abuse their neighbours, may make ●hem so confident, as to come forth with open face, to endeavour the justification thereof, especially when called upon, and when the case is as this is, viz, that no corporal or peculiary punishment is like to ensue. This plainly appeared in the case of Tho. Hicks, who though he had so abused the Quakers, as is before shown, yet had the confidence to come forth at the first meeting to justi●e it. 2dly It like wise appears as plainly in this very case of D: L's; who not withstanding his many abuses put upon us in this his book, yet in the same he hath the confidence to challenge a meeting with us, to put us upon proof of what is so plainly made appear above. Therefore this is no infallible sign of our being guilty of his charge, that we came not forth according to his proposition. And then the other part of his sign, relating to a supposition of our coming forth, is as evidently fallible; for we have got, not only a little, but a great deal of advantage against him, and that very simply too; not only without any falsity, but also without straining matters beyond what they will naturally bear, and yet he may see we do not come forth according to this proposition; and therefore both his signs are fallible, and not to be needed, unless it be from them to make an observation▪ how strangely men are infatuated, who draw back from, and rise up against the truth. Well, now I shall give D: L: and the world a plain and argumentative sign, whereby he and they may know, that he himself▪ hath abused both the Quakers and their books; which is this. If D. L. have given that for the Quakers words in their books, etc. in order to render them and their books odious thereby to the world, which is not in their he books, than he hath abused the Quakers and their books: But so hath D▪ L. done, as I have herein plainly manifested, particularly in the summary collection of his falsehoods; Therefore he hath abused the Quakers and their books. The first proposition I suppose he will not deny, and the second he may see (if he be not blind) as plain as his face in a glass, The conclusion than must needs be that D. L. hath abused the Quakery and their books. The evil of which (I can sincerely say) I heart'ly desire he may come to a sense o● and true repentance for, before it be too late. And now, if not withstanding what hath been here so plainly manifested, of D: L▪ s abusing our ●riend● and their writings, any shall yet be so exceedingly prejudiced against us, as not only to continue to vindicate him in such an evil work, but also to bestow such large encomiums on him, as some have done, both by word of mouth and writing, as well in verse as prose; We can then do less but conclude that i● proceeds not from any Christian like desire to stand in defence o● the truth▪ but that it is mere envy and pre●●di●● against the doctrine, way and practice which we pro●ess and are found in, as well as against us their honest and peaceable nighbours, which own and profess them, that hath done, and doth animate them to such proceeding. Which if they sh●ll yet continue to do, as sure as truth is Truth, and falsehood is falsehood, i● so ●oing they can never please God who is just, nor obtain credit with any impartial man of right understanding▪ Therefore if after all they do or shall continue to vindicate him as aforesaid, we can then do no less than look upon them to be such as are here described; and so as I sai● ne●r the conclusion of my other book, with the same expression I shall conclude this, viz; We must leave our cause with God who judgeth righteously▪ POSTSCRIPT. john Woods Vindication of himself from the abuses put upon him by Daniel Leeds. It is not because I delight in controversy, or disire to be see● in print that I have put pen to paper, but for the clearing of truth and myself, from those lies and false aspersions published against me Daniel Leeds, in a book called News of ● Trumpet standing in the Wilderness. In the 91 page of his book, he seems to write to London meeting, with pretence that my actions with others may b● Recorded, and in the 94 page. he pretends to give account of my actions, and thus he saith. John Wood, one of your Brethren, a Preacher in Gloucester County in West-Jersy, being Sheriff of that County▪ came with men armed to take goods from john Roberts at Pensoaken, and sent two men before, who pretended they had lost their way of which the said john Roberts and his wife took pity and gave them meat to eat. Soon after they espied Wood coming with his company, wherefore Roberts made fast the door, but Wood told him, he had those within that would do his▪ business; they seeing him so treacherous, opened the door; this Wood when come in offered his hand Roberts said▪ if he came as a friend it was well. But said Wood I come not as John Wood the Preacher, but a● the Sheriff of Gloucester▪ [Now by the way observe, that in the 〈◊〉 between G: K: and the Magistrates at Philadelphia, those Magistrates could not fin● how to distinguish between Magistrates and Quakers or Preachers, but here you see their Brother J. W. had the art to do it] But this I Wood proceeded▪ and took of several sorts goods use in the house, among which was a warming pan, which the Woman earnestly desired him to leave, by reason of the great ●se themselves and the Neighbours had of it, in case of sickness o● Childbed (there being none there about except that) But she could not prevail with this Wood▪ but away he carried it, and soon after this Roberts ●ell sick, and beginning to recover again, the fate up one day; but at night going to his cold bed for want of the pan to warm it (being winter) the cold bed made such impression on him, that his speech was soon taken away, which he did not recover again, but died in a few days▪ and what trouble this was to the Widow, the Neighbours can tell how much she imputed the death of her husband to the want of the pan, which she could not persuade this Wood▪ to leave, tho' she offered him to take any other thing instead of it. Note, the occasion of this distress was only, for not answering a Summons to Gloucester Court, when the Court at Burlington required the same, the place having been some years in contest between the two Counties about the bounds, not decided which County it belonged to (which I suppose is two). Now Reader be pleased to peruse the following Certificates, and then thou wilt be informed how he hath abused me. This may certify whom it concerns thate ● ●he under written, being deputed as Sa●-Sheriff, by john Wood (High Sheriff for the County of Gloucester) for the executing of a Warrant of distress, granted per order of Court at Gloucester ●he 1 saint of September Anno 1694, & signed by 3 justices of the Peace, upon the goods and ch●●●els of john Roberts one of the Inhabitants of Pensoaken claimed to be within the jurisdiction of Gloucester Court aforesaid, and in order thereunto I accordingly went and me● with the said Roberts near his dwellinghouse, who understanding my business; hastily went into his house and put to the door against me, pulling in the latch, and denied me entrance; So that by reason hereof I was prevented of executing that Warrant above said. ● also offered that if he would pay the fine in money I would forbear making any distress, which he also refused; so I returned the Warrant back un executed to the High Sheriff again. To the truth of all which I subscribe my name this ●6 th'. of May Anno Domini 1698. Thomas Bull▪ Now upon return of the Warrant as before, I applied my ●ell to the Magistrates, who commanded me to have the Warrants executed, that thereby the Opposers might ●ring the Controversy to a trial, that it might be decided to which County they did belong, and in order these to I deputed joseph Tomlinson to execute the Warrant at john Roberts: Therefore hear him. Whereas john Roberts of Pensoaken was fined at a Court 〈◊〉 at Gloucester on the first day of September 1694, and Warrant issued out of the Court for levying the● sa●d 〈◊〉 john Wood High Sheriff deputed me, and by virtue of th●, said Warran● I and Edward Eglington did quietly enter the▪ ●ouse of the said Roberts, without any ar●s, so much as ●●●●●se rod, and 〈◊〉 without any, advice from or 〈…〉 contrived by john Wood, and ●e stayed an hear at least▪ until word was brought by a boy ●hat the Sheriff was at a Neighbour's house▪ and desired john Roberts to go thither; The● Robert wents ou● and shut ●her do●● and us on the inside▪ ●s soon as that w●● done, his children c●rried the ●●st of ●he ● goods thy se● the most 〈◊〉 by some (as the● said) in to the 〈◊〉, and some other wher●● and after a wh● ca●●e Io●●●●berts and john Wood, William Cheste● and William Dicki●son, and ●●on discourse between john Wood the Sheriff and john Roberts and his wife, I he●●d john Would say; ● As john W●●d, ● would 〈◊〉 pay the fin● than distrain, b●t as I am the Sheriff, I cannot 〈◊〉 tray●●g my trust to ●he 〈◊〉 ●y that john W●●d▪ should say; I come not as john Wood the Preacher▪ 〈◊〉 as the Sheriff of Glouce●●er ● is false. But when john Wood could not prevail then ● distrained a warrning 〈◊〉 and a little brass ●ettle▪ two pewter dishes and one pewter pla●e, all which I did without the advice of john Wood, only I asked hi●, ●● be thought that ● distress would satisfy the Court & I would give them my fe●s, ●● and he too me, he thought they would And farther I heard john Wood desire john Roberts to lay down the ●●ne in money▪ in ●y Place of the ho●se, and I should make distress of▪ that a● on other goods and would not take it as p●●d to hurt their cause▪ and said ●he would freely g●●e thei● his trouble; which the said Roberts refused ●nd ●● last john Wood ●old them, If they could use any means ●●th the next Court to remit their ●ine, ●e ●ould send the goods b●ok again ●● his ●●n charge▪ and then▪ I took the aforesaid 〈…〉 them to Gloucester, and delivered then to ●●tthew 〈◊〉, where they remained ●ll the first of I december next 〈…〉 then ● made the return ●n the Chur●●, and no ● john Wood, and I do hereby further certify, that ●ohn Wood, William Che●●er and William Dickinson when they came from home, and also when they came thither, had no ●● me at all, and though I am no Quaker, yet ●nowing him to he abused in the relation of what was d●ne concerning the said distress, was willing to certify the truth of my knowledge▪ ●n testimony whereof I here unto 〈…〉 my name. ●o reph Tomlinson Having seen a book, called News of a Trampet, wherein I ●ind John Wood ●● be falsely accused, though I am no Quaker, can in good conscience do no less than certify whom ● may concern; Th●● I was with Joseph Tomlinson, when he (being deputed by Jonhn Wood than Sheriff of Gloucester in West Jersey) made distless at John Roberts of Pensoaken. By virtue of a Warrant, Joseph Tomlinson and I (without arms or any advice or contrivance of John Wood's) did quietly enter the house of John Roberts, and there stayed at least one hour, than a boy bringing word that the Sheriff was at their house and disired John Roberts to go there, and he went forth, and shut the door after him, and his children carried out a ●an and several other goods they set most store by, and after some time came john Roberts, the Sheriff John Wood, William Chester and William Dickinson, without any arms a● all, and after some time of discourse, John Wood desired John Roberts to lay down the fine in money, in some place where his Deputy might distrain on it, and he would give them his trouble; and take it as paid, to hurt cause; but they might come to a trial, and it would be their least loss. The Deputy I. Tomlinson said, he would give them his due; but I. Roberts re●fused▪ than I: T: said, I must distrain, and I would do you as little ●urt as I can, will you tell me what you can-best spare; and laying his hand on a warming part said, Can you spare this, They ●● first said; as well as any thing▪ he took it and other goods, afterwards they desired him to 〈◊〉 the pa●●; 〈◊〉 the Sheriff and Deputy said; If they would ●ay down ●he money as beforesaid he would; But they refusing (and brought again none of the goods they had carried away) we brought the goods to Glou●ester, and there left them, but John Wood did not ●medule with them. Given forth by me an eye witness. Edward Elington Now Reader, If thou truly comparest these Certificates with his charge, thou wilt find, that his contains several lies. First, In saying, I came with men armed. Also, In charging me with treachery in sending men before. Also, In saying▪ I proceeded and took several sorts of goods, in use in the house. Also, in saying, A way I carried it. Also, In saying, she offered me to take any other thing instead of the Pan. Also, In charging me with saying I come not as john Wood the Preacher▪ but as the Sheriff of Gloucester. Now It plainly appears, that in this charge there are six untruths But if he or any other (to cover his baseness) do say; Because my Deputy did it I did it: They may as well say, The Magistrates did it, because they granted the Warrant by which it was done If the Deputy exceeded the Warrant, I am ready to answer it; If not then Daniel Leeds hath manifested his envy against me, in labouring by falsehood to rende● me ridiculous. For in obedience to Warrants under the hand of a Justices or the peace I came into those parts▪ But, it appears, D. L. takes little notice of Government I know▪ no fairer, or more easy way than I offered, for John Roberts to have come to a Trial in which of the two Counties he dwelled. In the 95th. page of his book he hath this expression; And what trouble this was to the Widow, the Nighbours can tell how much she imputed the death of her Husband to the want of the pan etc. Therefore be pleased to hear her Nighbours. Soon after death of John Roberts, we whose names are underwritten, being with Sarah Roberts the Widow, asked her, If she had said, That she did lay the death of her husband to the want of the warming pan? She answered; She never had. One of us asked her▪ If she did lay it to the wa● of the P●n● She said. No, Nor durst not for all the World▪ Thomas Thackery Thomas TShackl● his mark▪ Esther Spicer In the same 95 th' page of his book he saith thus Come you Londen Friends [to say no more of the inhumanity of this action of a Preaching Quaker] can you parallel this in the whole world▪ that ever a pretended Gospel Minister took the Office of Sheriff before etc. Now, I hope, both London Friends and all other Impartial Readers, by what is before said, will say, there was no inhumanity used; but that D. L. hath manifested his envy▪ Then as to the acceptance of the Office of a Sheriff, I ask, Whether it be more inconsistent with Christianity, to execute the laws made, or to make laws to be executed? Reader Thou mayst observe by one o● the a●ore going Certificates, that I said, If they could use any means with, the next Court to remit their fine, I would send the goods▪ back again at my own charge. But they used no means, Yet sometime after I engaged the fine to the Magistrates, and got the goods, and sent them as a free gift to the Widow and her Children. And this was near two years before D. L's book came forth; But he is silent as to that▪ Its like it suited not his envy. Thus having ●aid open some of his lies, I think it not worth my time to enlarge, being that what is done is sufficient to invalidate his Charge. John Wood ADVERTISEMENT Whereas in several places (at least two) o● this book, an expectation is given, that in the Post Script, the West-Jersey Friends would add something in vindication of themselves, against the false suggestions and misrepresentations of some public proceed in that Province as are contained in D. L's Preface▪ as also in his Chapters 10. 11. and 15. Now the reason why it is not done at this time, is▪ because divers being concerned in the transactions there reflected on (though by conference, as well as by his abusive treatment of others, I am ready to conclude, they are much wronged, yet) they have hitherto neglected to draw up any thing to clear themselves, and the book having been long in the press, it is judged not fit to forbear the publishing of it any longer Therefore shall leave them (if they think fit to do any thing o● that nature) to publish some thing by themselves, when an opportunity presents that may suit with their inclinations, to embrace. FAREWELL ERRATA P. Line P●r read 1. 16 power power 28 subsc●ribed subscribed 33 aknoledgement acknowledgement 2. 7 Apostel. Apostle 9 jeer. year 12 montly monthly 2● length length 27 reetractation retractation 3. ● I said the said 10 retractatons' retractations 14 neccessity necessity ●7 contrary to what ●8 scratch search ●3 I should 4▪ ● the difference 15 & 16 that subject 24 that point 34 & 35 changed changed 5. 4 Retraetations Retractations 11 Retraction Retractation 12 Prent Print 14 also also 20 dos does 21 that appellation 37 haven heaven 6▪ 3 jeer year 4 ●● ●5 th'▪ 16 lick like 20 give the reason 23 ●●●use because ●6 〈◊〉 ●hereabo●ts then? 〈…〉 27 up●● upon ●● 〈◊〉 both ●● 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 must 34 that reason 35 scripture scripture 7. 2 after corrupted del● ● 17 ● 38 p 38 3 less less 21 no more 22 & 2● eroceed proceed 32 it is said 33 If I 34 my witness 8. 3 menttioned mentioned 2● therein thereon 24 Citatiens Citations 25 alterred altered 28 languages 9 26 after Whiteheads▪ ●▪ head's 28 his own to 10. 20 live life 11. 14 carious c●●●ous 16 abuse abuse ●1 a●ter saith. d. v. 12. 5 di●iring desiring 18 exspres express 13. 13 hwhich which 1● hwic●●r. which 14. 1 thath that 2 thath that 6 know knew 9 thath that 1● thath that 19 expessed expressed ●4 〈◊〉 next clash 15. 20 clemencey clemency ●1 & 22 displeasure 26 cevill cavil ●9 were where 16. 20 which which 17. 2 richteousness righteousness ● 8. schriptu●● scriptural 9 after works sake, adde●, but for his s●ke 1● found sound 31 ●●ingh sting 18. 1● 〈◊〉 it ●5 enotradiction contradiction 19▪ ●0 ●llagory Allegory 3● Sydechdo●h● Synecdoche 20. 16 dwellet dwelleth 22 G▪ F's 21. 1 G▪ ●'s 1● breathed 14 fo● for 31 out of 34 sot he so the 22. 6 directed directed 18 carrions various 33 verss verse ib▪ de●ared declared 32 hethes he the 23. 5 ●ould soul 7 beginng beginning ib surly surely 8 G▪ F▪ s G▪ K's 12 were where 14 fo● to 24. 2 explains explains 21 onto unto 27 Paul Paul 29 Gal 3▪ 56 Gal 3. 5. 31 man men 34 the the 25. 11 dinyed denied 25 satisfied satisfied ib whit with ●0 Micha Micah 32 Exody Exod 36 satisfied s●●●●fied ●6 3 after W▪ P. deal. ● ●1 already already 17 Quakers Quake● 20 ●n ●nd 24 G▪ P's G▪ W's 25 seecause see cause 3● fromon from on 27▪ 9 Friends Friend 13 knowledge knowledge 1 Acts 14 Acts ●. 4. 18 intention intentions 19 than held I still hold 27 grow at groat 28 therefore whether 2● agroat a groat 33 again citys G▪ W. 36 s●pposes opposes 28. 2 White head Whitehead 3 ●●lxusive exclusive 4 sold soul 14 Wilderniss Wilderness 33 & 34 meaphotical metaphorical 29. 21 deae deal ●0. 12 a great 13 vis viz 16 d. I come ib conviected convicted 25 great heat great cheat 35. 36 & 37 from And to creature de●● 42. 31. 2 as his ashes 3 ●4 9 assirm affirm 21 will out without 25 proceeding proceed 27 140. 40 30 the D L then D L 32. 2 that purport the purport 15 knowledge knowledge 30 Righteousness Righteousness ib note she notes he 33. 2 intent intent 13 Harwoth Harworth 32 Cor 3 5 1 Cor 3 5 34. 13 viz this manner in this manner 15 thekingdom the kingdom 32 Leeds Leeds' ●5. 5 supstance substance 27 not withstanding notwithstanding 36. 4 & 5 corrobocrating corroborating 8 saint in 1st is in 13 wether whether 14 justfying justifying 37. 18 them then 20 three tree ●8. 20 within with in 39 4 & 5 confessed by us 12 and 13 since appeared 29 as▪ st as▪ is't. 30 woras words 31 personis person is ib where ashiss whereas his 32 personis person is 33 beinghere being here ib un farily unfairly 34 secon chapterent ituled second chapter entitled 36 mies answer●o my answer to 40. 21 Chtist Christ 22 our esins our sins 2● seech see ch. 30 all is it all of it▪ 41. 25 foe of 42. 7 Brothers Brethren 11 arthly earthly 43. 5 Burrouge Burrough ib scriptures scripture 7 childeren children 28 troubled troubled ●9 & 30 Arriani●oum Arrianism 44. 3 discreyd discr●ed 30 that's that as that 38 discharding discharging 45. 2▪ Antichrists Antichrists 24 priusal● perus●●● 46. 10 folloy folly 31 posfibly possibly 36 hair hear 47. 15 Behold Behold 29 pasfing passing▪ 3● conscienee consciences 35 groundlesly● groundlessly 36 grea● great 37 attainm; aunts attainment● 48. 35 priase praise ●9. 29 shall shal● 50. 17 in Heb 51. 1 extemt extant 1● preferible preferable 1● preferible preferable 17 preferible preferable 17 & 18 metals metals ● scriptures scriptures 25 Cristendom Christendom 36 o● to 54 20 & 21 condamnes condemns 29 the worldly that worldly ●● Ch●istian Christian 5●. 4 truly ●ook 57 16 understood understood 30 trough through 59 1 Cristendom Christendom ib about above 61. 21 wether whether 22 ● but this I can tell, he is 62 19 ●here there Memorandum p 63 by mistake is placed before p. 62. 63. 23 discourse discourse 64. 34 Tho● Thou 65. 11 suffering sufferings 16 testified testified 18 please place 23 4 L 6 4 L 6d 29 co●ld could 66. 7 thiir their ib arfaelsehood or falsehood 3● massaere massacre ib Paplst Papists 34 as tendincy a tendency 35 corruxtion corruption 67. 1 wearing swearing ib giving against against giving 3 wh●tis what is ● insufficient sufficient 1● & 13 whatsoewer whatsoever 17 & 28▪ thenemies the enemies ib affection affections 29▪ ●ich: indeed rich▪ indeed 33 friends friend 68 1 Then next thee. Next 18 ●o or 29 Englesh English 31 & 3● mentioned mentions ib the this 3● troth truth 69. 1 temptation temptation ●● unterly utterly 16 appoint appoint ●1 end avoured endeavoured 31 thruth truth 33 pudlick public 70. 26 For ●● st For i●st 33 sin his 37 & 38▪ renders the death of Christ useless 71. 14 justifiatio● justification ●5 o'late a late ib a ccusation accusation 34 many by by many 72. 1 doctrines doctrine 3 near here 10 righieousness. righteousness 26 answeringall answering all 73. 17 & 18 therefore therefore 26 heavenly heavenly 74. 4 argment argument ib balyed belied 5 accou●ed accused 16▪ weilest whilst 75. 13 a as 14 hein he in 18 raised raised 19 pladed pleaded ib incinuates insinuates 29 thesewith therewith 34 performall perform all 35 thatthe that the 76. 8 for far 9 aeshame a shame 18 Worldlyt Governmement Worldly Government 26 oirginal original 77. 6 honourable honourable 18 in habiting inhabiting 19 where were 24 agread agreed 31 coording wording 32 utterly utterly 78. 9 hovest honest 21 Carpeter Carpenter 25 cofidently confidently 79. 8 after deal. d. of 12 after till, and till 13 and separate 15 said saith 21 nired hired 80. 1 and 2 Cerimonial Ceremonial 10 thiths' tithes 22 tihts titlres 26 friend's friends 30 Heb 7 2 Heb 7 12 31 13. th'. 13 th'. ●4 redicule ridicule 35 thereof therefore 81. 34 enemy of G F enemy of G Fs 82. 18 perculiar peculiar 24 This ▪ 'tis 31 relaing relating 83. 7 in toan into an 18 prophecy prophesy 19 unleaned unlearned 31 paicence patience 84. ● party▪ parts 9 the first 10 call lit call it 12 prove proper 13 to explain 15 three, who in 18 he practise the practice 20 they this 22 after making d. the 23 incits in it▪ s 26 examele example 27 after first add day of the week (called the Lord's day) people 29 children children ib servant servants ib htey they 30 frepuent frequent 31 word ship worship 34 Enough this I ●● 85. ● prodaced produced 12 I H. T H 87. 7 comdemn condemn 12 spooken spoken 14 your your 15 Procesytes Proselytes 2● signify signify 26 〈◊〉 the said book 2● wroet wrote 88 ●7 or as 89 ●2 soliccit solicit 90. 24 slighring slighting it 91. 12 B●rruughs Burroughs 15 be were 1● 〈◊〉 directed to 22 Auswer Answer 24 Counsel Counsel 92. 14 Acts 20. 23. Acts 20. 32. 21 evencut even cut 27 & 28 anointieg anointing 9● 10 taught taught 11 sorroy sorry 16 plainly plainly 18 though though 23 delevered delivered 24 no more ●● Ftrthermore Furthermore 32 delive deliver 95. 5 forrver forever 19 tho that he that hath the 24 peofessing professing 29 witiness witness 31 ceratures creatures ●● and that 32 clear clear 33 g●ieviously grievously 37 unte●●nce utterance ●● profess pro●ess 96. 3 you● your ●7 forgiviness forgiveness 12 heave have 20 they their ●4 because because 97. 14 & ●5 insinutates insinu- 34 into unto ●● inab●ngs inabling ●5 iife life 98▪ 19 dly 2 2d●y ●● twhen when 99 9 and to please to please 14 that twentie●h part of the the twentieth part of th●t 100L. 2 parpose purpose 25 sevice service 102. 2● truih truth 2● know knew 26 expactea expect a 30 He had books books.] He 103. 23 limpose impose had 15 toour to our 16 on't out 20 the Controversy 114▪ 8 God— man 10 God— man 13 God— man 14 God— man 21 God— man 25 God, man 26 God— man 32 God— man 33 and 34 God, man 106. 10 Nigh bo●rsin Neighbours 11 Provinceof Province of in 29 ns us 107. 7 peculiary pecuniary 18 snpposition supposition 108. 18 nighbours neighbours 19 proceeding proceed 31 ●●onhim upon him 32 disire desire 35 by Daniel Leeds 109. 22 of several sorts several in use sorts of 2● 110. 5▪ 6 and 7. woe Counties (which I suppose is two) about the 1● Sebtember September 22 that the 111. 18 By th● But that ●● Woe Wood 25 too told 26 Woe Wood 112. 10 whom it 12 jonhn john 26 and not take ●● hurt their cause 30 kurt hurt 33. n it 113. 28 Nighbours neighbours 31 Nighbours Neighbours 114. 8 Londen London Note, in many places commas etc. are misplaced, & sometimes not inserted at all, of which, had I taken notice, it would have much swollen this▪ Errata, already too big, therefore the understanding Reader is desired to supply by his judgement, what is deficient here.